Countdown Clock to Trumps impeachment " STARTS"

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

  Is Countdown Clock to Trump's
impeachment getting close to ringing?


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I am inclined to think that because money laundering for the Russians, and so many other violations of the law may become indictments, it is going to take a while.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
There is your WWIII, sans Clinton.


SGG

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"... the president of the United States threatened to wipe a country of 25 million people off the map.

“Now North Korea's reckless pursuit of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles threatens the entire world with unthinkable loss of human life,” Trump said. He later added: “The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea. Rocket Man is on a suicide mission for himself.”"

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I've read elsewhere (I'd have to dig it up) that the other half of this equation that *I* think needs to be there is something that the US won't commit to - and that's the promise that the US will not strike first.

But US policy has always been to reserve the 'first strike' option for itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use That understandably makes a lot of countries nervous and is helping drive the whole crazy-train forward.

IF you think the US might nuke you first, you could be driven to acquire a nuclear option of your own. Sure, you won't win a nuclear exchange, but you could make a US first strike painful enough to make the US think twice.

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Nobody. Not one single country, would agree not to strike first. What would it matter if they did? Nobody would believe them anyway. It would be like walking into a bus and a guy is pointing a gun at your face and he says "don't worry man. as long as you don't have a gun and you don't pull it out, I won't shoot you in the face". Would you believe that person?


Mutually Assured Destruction worked in an age without a prominent twisted ideology that is spreading that values God more than human life. I'm not so sure that it will continue to work as Muslim nations get their hands on them.

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Originally posted by second:
It ain’t over until the portly golfer sings.

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https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/09/30/shifts-get-real-understan
ding-the-gops-policy-quagmire/

Wuts a "househild"?

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

  Is Countdown Clock to Trump's
impeachment getting close to ringing?
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Only 2,668 days remaining on the countdown clock.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

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Only 2,668 days remaining on the countdown clock.

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That's 7.31 years.
It assumes he'll be re-elected in 2020, & serve a full 8 years.

... I doubt he'll run for a second term. He's not having so much
fun with this one.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Wuts a "househild"?

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It's like in Lord of the Rings, a hobbit house.



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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Mutually Assured Destruction

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There's nothing mutual about it. A minor nuclear nation might possibly take out a US city. But in turn, it would be slagged completely. The destruction part of the concept would be totally one-sided.

Thinking you got one good nuclear strike in before your entire country was destroyed seems like the definition of losing. I can't imagine even the most diehard fanatics would go for it. Patton supposedly said something to the effect that nobody won a war by dying for their country, but by making sure somebody else died. Flip that around a bit and you'll see that most senior Muslim extremists aren't suicide bombers - they make sure somebody else is. I just don't see how they could compute a percentage where everyone who might participate in the cause is gone - the bombers, the audience, and, oh yeah, themselves.

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Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Agreed, it seems to me that Mueller is a very carefully efficient prosecutor who wants to make sure all the i's are dotted, and all the t's are crossed before he makes his move.

Don't want the worm wriggling off the hook.


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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

  Is Countdown Clock to Trump's
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I am inclined to think that because money laundering for the Russians, and so many other violations of the law may become indictments, it is going to take a while.

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Only 2,668 days remaining on the countdown clock.

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That's 7.31 years.
It assumes he'll be re-elected in 2020, & serve a full 8 years.

... I doubt he'll run for a second term. He's not having so much
fun with this one.

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A jail cell is much to small to run a campaign from.

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1KIKI

Monday, October 23, 2017 8:09 AM

whatever

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Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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If-when PotUS Trump is impeached,
Mike Pence will become PotUS.

Would he be better or worse than Trump
... Or about the same?

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I'm betting he goez down with Trump and Pelosi will be Prez.

The GoPs are clearly too stoopid to impeach Trump befor the ax fallz, so the Demz will be in charj.

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I like this article; it's speaking my language.

    The NEW YORKER
How Anti-Trump Psychiatrists Are Mobilizing Behind the Twenty-Fifth Amendment
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-anti-trump-psychiatrists-
are-mobilizing-behind-the-twenty-fifth-amendment

"On October 8th, the outgoing Republican senator Bob Corker sent a tweet calling the
White House “an adult day care center.” Corker then told the Times that President
Trump’s recklessness could set the nation “on the path to World War III”
... Steve Bannon warned Trump several months ago that “the risk to his presidency
wasn’t impeachment, but the 25th Amendment.”"

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Would he be better or worse than Trump

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worse, because he'll have the whole Washington machine behind his goals, unlike Trump who the Deep State had to kettle and still doesn't trust

all the bad stuff that republicans want will pass thru Pence like grease through a goose

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Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Good article, Oonj.

Herez the organization: http://adutytowarn.org/

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At least one person was charged Friday in connection with Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s criminal investigation into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election, according to people familiar with the matter.

That person could be taken into custody as soon as Monday, these people said. The number and identity of the defendants, and the charges, couldn’t be determined.

A spokesman for Mr. Mueller, Peter Carr, declined to comment. The news of the charges, marking the first in Mr. Mueller’s investigation, was reported by CNN on Friday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/first-charges-filed-in-russia-
probe-led-by-special-counsel/ar-AAu9hHW?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

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Tick tock, tick tock.

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you must really like the idea of President Pence

dupa yash

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HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Originally posted by JO753:
I'm betting he goez down with Trump and Pelosi will be Prez.

The GoPs are clearly too stoopid to impeach Trump befor the ax fallz, so the Demz will be in charj.

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Everyone knows more about politics than I do ... including my "baby"
Brother who warned me against Pence: he'd be worse than Trump.

My friend who's living in PR always loved politics. He holds the
Republicans to be nuts ... in a dangerous way: a taste for War.


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Well, it'll be interesting to see what happens!

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Crooks and traitors, that's the Trump circle, crooks and traitors. People who betray friends, country and principle for personal gain.

Lets not forget those who post lies and disinformation in these threads and elsewhere supporting these derelicts in their corrupt endeavors.

i.e. Russian trolls and far right wing nuts.

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Trump Adviser Papadopoulos Pleads Guilty to Making False Statements to the FBI.

George Papadopoulos allegedly claimed his interactions with a Russian government-linked professor had occurred before he became a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. NBC’s Pete Williams reports

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/fmr-trump-adviser-papadopoulos-pleads
-guilty-to-making-false-statements-to-fbi-1084418627854


And, he's talking. Tick tock tick tock tick tock

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Trump Adviser Papadopoulos Pleads Guilty to Making False Statements to the FBI.

George Papadopoulos allegedly claimed his interactions with a Russian government-linked professor had occurred before he became a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. NBC’s Pete Williams reports

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/fmr-trump-adviser-papadopoulos-pleads
-guilty-to-making-false-statements-to-fbi-1084418627854


Tick tock tick tock tick tock

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You know anything about Paul Manafort turning himself over to the Feds this morning. I know I saw on YouTube news clip over the weekend about warrants being gotten. And apparently Manafort is the first.

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He has been indicted, charged with a crime, so he had to turn himself in Brenda. Disappointed I missed you in chat yesterday. Hope to catch you there soon so I can say a proper hello.

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The question that matters now: what will Republicans do when Trump fires Mueller?

Probably nothing.

A Fox News piece was titled “Mueller facing new Republican pressure to resign in Russia probe.”

The message is clear and important: When Trump decides to fire Mueller (and possibly pardon the targets of his investigation) to spare himself and his family from accusations of serious wrongdoing, America’s premier propaganda broadcaster will have his back.

That means that, inevitably, the vast majority of rank-and-file congressional Republicans will also have his back.

The fate of the investigation — and of the integrity of the American political process — will thus rest on the often-frail shoulders of the handful of congressional Republicans who’ve made it clear that they understand the threat Trump poses to the country but have never yet managed to conduct effective, coordinated political action to counter the threat. If they want to forestall disaster, that needs to change. And it needs to happen fast, before Trump plunges us into a new round of crisis.

The threat of a Mueller firing is very real.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/30/16565580/what-if-trump-fire
s-mueller

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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I agree SECOND if it ends here. That's not going to happen. I believe the scope of this will force the Republicans to act.

The fox report stating Mueller is facing pressure from the republicans is actually fox news trying to create that pressure; fake news. Mueller won't be intimidated as recent events show.

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The question that matters now: what will Republicans do when Trump fires Mueller?

Probably nothing.

A Fox News piece was titled “Mueller facing new Republican pressure to resign in Russia probe.”

The message is clear and important: When Trump decides to fire Mueller (and possibly pardon the targets of his investigation) to spare himself and his family from accusations of serious wrongdoing, America’s premier propaganda broadcaster will have his back.

That means that, inevitably, the vast majority of rank-and-file congressional Republicans will also have his back.

The fate of the investigation — and of the integrity of the American political process — will thus rest on the often-frail shoulders of the handful of congressional Republicans who’ve made it clear that they understand the threat Trump poses to the country but have never yet managed to conduct effective, coordinated political action to counter the threat. If they want to forestall disaster, that needs to change. And it needs to happen fast, before Trump plunges us into a new round of crisis.

The threat of a Mueller firing is very real.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/30/16565580/what-if-trump-fire
s-mueller

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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If three or four Republican senators were to say loudly and clearly that firing Mueller would induce them to hold up significant aspects of the GOP legislative agenda until the investigation can be restored, that would make all the difference in the world. Critically, it’s important to say that before Trump actually fires Mueller. If statements come while Mueller is still in his job, that gives the business community, the GOP leadership, and other critical actors reason to lean on Trump to not fire Mueller — since firing Mueller would throw a wrench in the works of the legislative agenda.

By contrast, if Mueller’s firing is already fait accompli by the time Trump-skeptical Republicans try to mobilize against it, they’re the ones who’ll be leaned on to not make trouble.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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It already happened SECOND and more than 4 or 5 Republicans said as much. They also stated that if Trump fired Mueller the Senate would put him right back in place as an independent council that Trump can't touch. It makes it easier to convict Trump of obstruction if he does fire Mueller. Lets hope he does.

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If three or four Republican senators were to say loudly and clearly that firing Mueller would induce them to hold up significant aspects of the GOP legislative agenda until the investigation can be restored, that would make all the difference in the world. Critically, it’s important to say that before Trump actually fires Mueller. If statements come while Mueller is still in his job, that gives the business community, the GOP leadership, and other critical actors reason to lean on Trump to not fire Mueller — since firing Mueller would throw a wrench in the works of the legislative agenda.

By contrast, if Mueller’s firing is already fait accompli by the time Trump-skeptical Republicans try to mobilize against it, they’re the ones who’ll be leaned on to not make trouble.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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It already happened SECOND and more than 4 or 5 Republicans said as much. They also stated that if Trump fired Mueller the Senate would put him right back in place as an independent council that Trump can't touch. It makes it easier to convict Trump of obstruction if he does fire Mueller. Lets hope he does.

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I hope Trump does not fire Mueller. I want Mueller to finish the job without drama and Trump to serve out his term, give me an undeserved tax cut, and then Trump gets stomped on in 2020 like a cockroach. Splat!

The Congressional Republicans have NOT said it EXTREMELY LOUD and perfectly clear what they will do to Trump if he fires Mueller. They might do nothing. Think how that plays out from now to 2020. I saw this quote: “Ryan, McConnell, Pelosi, and Schumer must make crystal clear right now that firing Mueller or interfering with his investigation would be met with swift and forceful congressional action, including the opening of an impeachment inquiry against the president and the creation of an independent commission to investigate interference in the 2016 election.”
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_good_fight/2017/10/don_t_
wait_for_trump_to_fire_mueller_the_time_to_start_fighting_back_is.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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I enjoyed your sarcasm. I am however afraid of the damage Trump could do should he serve a full term. It could be catastrophic.

I'd add that the Republicans still have cover. As the indictments come forth and more is revealed that will change. They'll have to act.

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It already happened SECOND and more than 4 or 5 Republicans said as much. They also stated that if Trump fired Mueller the Senate would put him right back in place as an independent council that Trump can't touch. It makes it easier to convict Trump of obstruction if he does fire Mueller. Lets hope he does.

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I hope Trump does not fire Mueller. I want Mueller to finish the job without drama and Trump to serve out his term, give me an undeserved tax cut, and then Trump gets stomped on in 2020 like a cockroach. Splat!

The Congressional Republicans have NOT said it EXTREMELY LOUD and perfectly clear what they will do to Trump if he fires Mueller. They might do nothing. Think how that plays out from now to 2020. I saw this quote: “Ryan, McConnell, Pelosi, and Schumer must make crystal clear right now that firing Mueller or interfering with his investigation would be met with swift and forceful congressional action, including the opening of an impeachment inquiry against the president and the creation of an independent commission to investigate interference in the 2016 election.”
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_good_fight/2017/10/don_t_
wait_for_trump_to_fire_mueller_the_time_to_start_fighting_back_is.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Az I understand it, Trump can not directly fire Mueller. He woud haf to fire Sessionz and Rosenstien and replase them with croniez who woud do it.

Not eazy to find sumwun who iz loyal and stoopid enuf to risk prizon. Federal pound-me-in-the-ass prizon!

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Tsk tsk tsk.

Jo, do you think being gross and crude makes your inane babbling more important?

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HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Significance of indictments in Russia investigation

Newly released court documents show that Trump foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos communicated with several senior campaign officials about his outreach to the Russian government over a period of months. The recipients of Papadopoulos's emails are not named in the filings, but The Washington Post has identified several individuals based on interviews and other documents. Papadopoulos pleaded guilty this month to lying to federal agents about his outreach to Russia.

"The Campaign Supervisor": Trump campaign national co-chairman Sam Clovis
Victoria Toensing, an attorney for Sam Clovis, confirmed that several references in court filings to "the campaign supervisor" refer to the onetime radio host from Iowa, who served as Trump's national campaign co-chairman.

At one point, Papadopoulos emailed Clovis and other campaign officials about a March 24, 2016, meeting he had in London with a professor, who had introduced him to the Russian ambassador and a Russian woman he described as "Putin's niece." The group had talked about arranging a meeting "between us and the Russian leadership to discuss U.S.-Russia ties under President Trump," Papadopoulos wrote.

Papadopoulos later learned that the woman was not Putin's niece, and while he expected to meet the ambassador, he never did, according to filings.

Clovis responded that he would "work it through the campaign," adding, "great work," according to court documents.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who’s-who-in-the-george-papado
poulos-court-documents/ar-AAuftAJ?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartanntp

He was arrested and turned states evidence three months ago. That means he may have been wired and conversed with who knows who in the Trump administration since. By phone or in person he would have discussed Russia. What he and the administration did with the Russians and getting them on tape. Think obstruction of justice as they tried to get their stories straight with him not knowing he was taping the conversation.

And are there more doing the same thing. Where's Flynn and watch Gates. I'm a fan of Bob Mueller.

Tick tock

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Az I understand it, Trump can not directly fire Mueller. He woud haf to fire Sessionz and Rosenstien and replase them with croniez who woud do it.

Not eazy to find sumwun who iz loyal and stoopid enuf to risk prizon. Federal pound-me-in-the-ass prizon!

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Not to worry Joe. SIG and kiki are being shown to be absolute morons, stupid and corrupted when voicing there opinions about anything. A better word to describe them is; trolls.

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Ex-Trump aide: I 'probably' talked Russia with staffer charged in Mueller probe

Former Trump campaign aide Carter Page says he "probably" discussed Russia in emails with fellow ex-staffer George Papadopoulos, who has pleaded guilty to lying to FBI agents about his contacts.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-trump-aide-i-probably-talke
d-russia-with-staffer-charged-in-mueller-probe/ar-AAuftu9?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartanntp

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Papadopoulos looks young & pretty cute.
He would be popular in prison.

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Papadopoulos looks young & pretty cute.
He would be popular in prison.


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Depends on how much information he had to share with Mueller concerning Trump.

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Papadopoulos Claimed Trump Campaign Approved Russia Meeting

Former Trump adviser George Papadopoulos made a significant claim in an email: Top Trump campaign officials agreed to a pre-election meeting with representatives of Russian President Vladimir Putin.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-31/papadopoulos-claime
d-trump-campaign-approved-russia-meeting

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Only 2,639 days remaining on the Countdown Clock. How exciting.

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Got an email from my congressman, Randy Hultgren (R). It wuz a standard GoP blitherblather about 'our energy future' attempting to make it look like they arent working for the fossil fuel industry.

I sent a reply about wuts really going on:

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Dear Mr. Hultgren,

I have been reading The Federalist Papers.

One of the big concerns of the founding fathers was the danger of foreign powers influencing people within our government. They go into some detail about how the ancient Greek city-state's attempts at democracy would always fail due to foreign actors taking advantage of internal rivalries.

If Hamilton, Madison, Jay, or any of the founding fathers were around today to witness what is going on with Trump and Putin, they would surely be aghast at the dismal failure of their creation.

They would instantly see that the wrench jamming the gears is party loyalty gaining priority over patriotism.

Even without the treasonous conspiracy, they would be appalled that such a carnival barker clown had managed to gain the Presidency and that he has yet to be impeached in spite of the non-stop goofs, lies and bafoonery.

I am sorry to have to inform you of this, but it is glaringly obvious that you and all the Republicans in the highest offices in the land are not adhering to your oath of office. You are failing to do your duty. The separation of powers cannot work when your loyalty is to your party rather than the nation. You are participating in treason, even if your only crime is inaction.

I understand you are not a major player in Congress, but that is no excuse. Your duty is to your local constituents and the United States of America, not the GOP.

I do not know the intricacies of your political situation or how things 'work' in Washington, but I suggest that if you can't get a coalition of Republican congressmen together to oust Ryan, call for Trump's impeachment, or otherwise end Putin's control over The White House, switch to Democrat or declare yourself an independent with a strong statement as to why.

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I'm about 85% sure there will be no respons. Randy just goez along to get along. A career politician, very comfortable in hiz jerrymandered GoP district.

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Tsk tsk tsk.

Jo, do you think being gross and crude makes your inane babbling more important?

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You havent seen Office Space? Wut kind uv Russian mole are you?

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Perfect Joe, just perfect.

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Got an email from my congressman, Randy Hultgren (R). It wuz a standard GoP blitherblather about 'our energy future' attempting to make it look like they arent working for the fossil fuel industry.

I sent a reply about wuts really going on:

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Dear Mr. Hultgren,

I have been reading The Federalist Papers.

One of the big concerns of the founding fathers was the danger of foreign powers influencing people within our government. They go into some detail about how the ancient Greek city-state's attempts at democracy would always fail due to foreign actors taking advantage of internal rivalries.

If Hamilton, Madison, Jay, or any of the founding fathers were around today to witness what is going on with Trump and Putin, they would surely be aghast at the dismal failure of their creation.

They would instantly see that the wrench jamming the gears is party loyalty gaining priority over patriotism.

Even without the treasonous conspiracy, they would be appalled that such a carnival barker clown had managed to gain the Presidency and that he has yet to be impeached in spite of the non-stop goofs, lies and bafoonery.

I am sorry to have to inform you of this, but it is glaringly obvious that you and all the Republicans in the highest offices in the land are not adhering to your oath of office. You are failing to do your duty. The separation of powers cannot work when your loyalty is to your party rather than the nation. You are participating in treason, even if your only crime is inaction.

I understand you are not a major player in Congress, but that is no excuse. Your duty is to your local constituents and the United States of America, not the GOP.

I do not know the intricacies of your political situation or how things 'work' in Washington, but I suggest that if you can't get a coalition of Republican congressmen together to oust Ryan, call for Trump's impeachment, or otherwise end Putin's control over The White House, switch to Democrat or declare yourself an independent with a strong statement as to why.

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I'm about 85% sure there will be no respons. Randy just goez along to get along. A career politician, very comfortable in hiz jerrymandered GoP district.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Got an email from my congressman, Randy Hultgren (R). It wuz a standard GoP blitherblather about 'our energy future' attempting to make it look like they arent working for the fossil fuel industry.

I sent a reply about wuts really going on:

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Dear Mr. Hultgren,

I have been reading The Federalist Papers.

One of the big concerns of the founding fathers was the danger of foreign powers influencing people within our government. They go into some detail about how the ancient Greek city-state's attempts at democracy would always fail due to foreign actors taking advantage of internal rivalries.

If Hamilton, Madison, Jay, or any of the founding fathers were around today to witness what is going on with Trump and Putin, they would surely be aghast at the dismal failure of their creation.

They would instantly see that the wrench jamming the gears is party loyalty gaining priority over patriotism.

Even without the treasonous conspiracy, they would be appalled that such a carnival barker clown had managed to gain the Presidency and that he has yet to be impeached in spite of the non-stop goofs, lies and bafoonery.

I am sorry to have to inform you of this, but it is glaringly obvious that you and all the Republicans in the highest offices in the land are not adhering to your oath of office. You are failing to do your duty. The separation of powers cannot work when your loyalty is to your party rather than the nation. You are participating in treason, even if your only crime is inaction.

I understand you are not a major player in Congress, but that is no excuse. Your duty is to your local constituents and the United States of America, not the GOP.

I do not know the intricacies of your political situation or how things 'work' in Washington, but I suggest that if you can't get a coalition of Republican congressmen together to oust Ryan, call for Trump's impeachment, or otherwise end Putin's control over The White House, switch to Democrat or declare yourself an independent with a strong statement as to why.

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I'm about 85% sure there will be no respons. Randy just goez along to get along. A career politician, very comfortable in hiz jerrymandered GoP district.

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That pretty well sums it up +1

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That pretty well sums it up +1

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Remember Steve Bannon, Trump's brain? He is worried that Trump's Cabinet, all selected by Trump, will replace him with Pence.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United
_States_Constitution

Two weeks ago, according to a source, Bannon did a spitball analysis of the Cabinet to see which members would remain loyal to Trump in the event the 25th Amendment were invoked, thereby triggering a vote to remove the president from office. Bannon recently told people he’s not sure if Trump would survive such a vote. “One thing Steve wants Trump to do is take this more seriously,” the Bannon confidant told me. “Stop joking around. Stop tweeting.”

When crazy man Steve Bannon thinks you’re being too outrageous and need to rein it in, things are getting ugly.

www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/the-west-wing-trump-is-apoplectic-as-a
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Did Trump sanction Flynns discussions with Russia at the very time Putin was hacking us and trying to have an influence on our election? Just this morning Flynn tweeted "scapegoat"

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I'll bet you dollars to donuts that if there is anything brought against Trump, it won't have diddly-squat to do with Russia.

This is probably going to turn out like Bill Clinton .... they dug and dug and dug and dug and came up with .... not an affair with "that women" but the fact that he lied to Congress about it. What you'll see is a lot of goalpost-moving ... not "collusion" exactly and not Russia at all but something else ... maybe something in his business affairs.

But yanno, it occurred to me ... why fight the hysteria?

Let's say that you get your wish, and Trump is impeached. Even better, Congress is returned to the Dems.

But the USA will still be de-industrialized, wealth inequality will still increase, there will still be endless wars at random throughout the globe, trade agreements will be signed which hogtie any of our well-intended regulations, our healthcare system will still consist of a giant hemorrhage of government money into private insurers and big pharma, and we'll still be facing an unpayable public and private debt.


I love America, I really do. So then what?


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I'll bet you dollars to donuts that if there is anything brought against Trump, it won't have diddly-squat to do with Russia.

This is probably going to turn out like Bill Clinton .... they dug and dug and dug and dug and came up with .... not an affair with "that women" but the fact that he lied to Congress about it. What you'll see is a lot of goalpost-moving ... not "collusion" exactly and not Russia at all but something else ... maybe something in his business affairs.

But yanno, it occurred to me ... why fight the hysteria?

Let's say that you get your wish, and Trump is impeached. Even better, Congress is returned to the Dems.

But the USA will still be de-industrialized, wealth inequality will still increase, there will still be endless wars at random throughout the globe, trade agreements will be signed which hogtie any of our well-intended regulations, our healthcare system will still consist of a giant hemorrhage of government money into private insurers and big pharma, and we'll still be facing an unpayable public and private debt.


I love America, I really do. So then what?

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Apparently nobody is able to answer the question.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Got an email from my congressman, Randy Hultgren (R). It wuz a standard GoP blitherblather about 'our energy future' attempting to make it look like they arent working for the fossil fuel industry.

I sent a reply about wuts really going on:

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Dear Mr. Hultgren,

I have been reading The Federalist Papers.

One of the big concerns of the founding fathers was the danger of foreign powers influencing people within our government. They go into some detail about how the ancient Greek city-state's attempts at democracy would always fail due to foreign actors taking advantage of internal rivalries.

If Hamilton, Madison, Jay, or any of the founding fathers were around today to witness what is going on with Trump and Putin, they would surely be aghast at the dismal failure of their creation.

They would instantly see that the wrench jamming the gears is party loyalty gaining priority over patriotism.

Even without the treasonous conspiracy, they would be appalled that such a carnival barker clown had managed to gain the Presidency and that he has yet to be impeached in spite of the non-stop goofs, lies and bafoonery.

I am sorry to have to inform you of this, but it is glaringly obvious that you and all the Republicans in the highest offices in the land are not adhering to your oath of office. You are failing to do your duty. The separation of powers cannot work when your loyalty is to your party rather than the nation. You are participating in treason, even if your only crime is inaction.

I understand you are not a major player in Congress, but that is no excuse. Your duty is to your local constituents and the United States of America, not the GOP.

I do not know the intricacies of your political situation or how things 'work' in Washington, but I suggest that if you can't get a coalition of Republican congressmen together to oust Ryan, call for Trump's impeachment, or otherwise end Putin's control over The White House, switch to Democrat or declare yourself an independent with a strong statement as to why.

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I'm about 85% sure there will be no respons. Randy just goez along to get along. A career politician, very comfortable in hiz jerrymandered GoP district.

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I keep hearing about Congressmen getting crazy letters from whackadoodle mentally unhinged, full of delusional ramblings and rants.
Excellent example right there.

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So, I'm going to add something about the role of Special Prosecutor.

In my memory, two Presidents have been investigated by a Special Prosecutor: Nixon, and Clinton, and subsequently been impeached.

I don't remember much about the Nixon impeachment, other than that he was widely characterized as "tricky Dick" and derided for his paranoid behavior, but the essence was that he covered up - not the Watergate break in - but the exposure of

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Secret contributions were the driving force behind the criminal activities in the Watergate scandal. They included million-dollar payoffs, bribery, and regular, organized extortion of companies and individuals, both American and foreign, by operatives for Richard Nixon.

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Hmmm... sounds a bit like the Clinton Foundation. But I digress...

The event which propelled impeachment forward was Nixon firing the Special Prosecutor, Archibald Cox. A lesson there for Trump.

Now it seems to me that the Nixon impeachment proceedings were warranted; although Nixon didn't direct the illegal activities and in some cases wasn't even aware of them, once he was apprised of the situation he did his best to bury it, even asking the CIA to take part.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/barry-sussman/a-watergate-lesson-secret
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The second investigation - of Bill Clinton- began with the DOJ appointment of Robert Fiske as Special Prosecutor. His remit was Whitewater in relation to the suicide of Vince Foster. When he failed to find any wrongdoing, the Republican Congress appointed an Independent Counsel - Ken Starr- to endlessly crawl up Clinton's anus until he found or created something with which to hang Bill.

The resulting articles of impeachment were a travesty and completely unjustified.

As you all know, I'm no fan of Bill Clinton. I think he's a corrupt sexual predator who - along with Hillary- concocted any number of shady transactions to enrich himself at every level of public office, including (for all I know) running drugs thru Arkanas. HOWEVER. IMHO articles of impeachment should be limited to what a person does AS PRESIDENT. Special Prosecutors and Independent Counsels should not have license to engage in free-ranging unlimited witch hunts. Uncovering of NON-Presidential crimes should be investigated and prosecuted ordinarily, and not be part of articles of impeachment.

That was my opinion then, and it's my opinion now. It applies equally to Bill, Bush, Obama, Trump, and any other President.

My criticism of Bill AS PRESIDENT has to do with what he did AS PRESIDENT, and that includes

repealing Glass Steagall
promoting and signing the DMCA
promoting and signing NAFTA and CAFTA and creating a special trade partnership with China
promoting and signing the Commodities Futures Trading Modernization Act
"Ending Welfare as We Know It", AND, as I was recently reminded
Deregulating the media which allowed six companies ownership of 90% of the market

The "punishment" for these horrible policies shouldn't be impeachment, but simply being voted out of office .... which is why I refused to vote for Bill the second time around.

Again, should apply to all Presidents, and is an example of what I call even-handed application of ethics and rules.



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Did Trump sanction Flynns discussions with Russia at the very time Putin was hacking us and trying to have an influence on our election? Just this morning Flynn tweeted "scapegoat"

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Yep

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and "discussion" and Hilliary illegally deleting Federal Records are related exactly how? Or any country sharing with the world info about even more of Hilliary's criminal perpetrations?

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So, I'm going to add something about the role of Special Prosecutor.

In my memory, two Presidents have been investigated by a Special Prosecutor: Nixon, and Clinton, and subsequently been impeached.

I don't remember much about the Nixon impeachment,

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Mostly because it never happened, other than in your dreams and fantasies. Don't fight the facts, let the truth set your mind free from the yoke of delusional Libtardism

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The second investigation - of Bill Clinton- began with the DOJ appointment of Robert Fiske as Special Prosecutor. His remit was Whitewater in relation to the suicide of Vince Foster. When he failed to find

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The Rose Law Firm Billing Records which Hilliary kept illegally sequestered in her White House closet, nor enough of the mountain of evidence for certain proof of

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wrongdoing, the Republican Congress appointed an Independent Counsel - Ken Starr- to endlessly crawl up Clinton's anus until he found or created something with which to hang Bill.

The resulting articles of impeachment were

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weak tea amid Bill and Hilliary's escape from justice due their long list of criminal perpetrations.

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As you all know, I'm no fan of Bill Clinton. I think he's a corrupt sexual predator who - along with Hillary- concocted any number of shady transactions to enrich himself at every level of public office, including (for all I know) running drugs thru Arkanas. HOWEVER. IMHO articles of impeachment should be limited to what a person does AS PRESIDENT. Special Prosecutors and Independent Counsels should not have license to engage in free-ranging unlimited witch hunts. Uncovering of NON-Presidential crimes should be investigated and prosecuted ordinarily, and not be part of articles of impeachment.

That was my opinion then, and it's my opinion now. It applies equally to Bill, Bush, Obama, Trump, and any other President.

My criticism of Bill AS PRESIDENT has to do with what he did AS PRESIDENT, and that includes

repealing Glass Steagall
promoting and signing the DMCA
promoting and signing NAFTA and CAFTA and creating a special trade partnership with China
promoting and signing the Commodities Futures Trading Modernization Act
"Ending Welfare as We Know It", AND, as I was recently reminded
Deregulating the media which allowed six companies ownership of 90% of the market

The "punishment" for these horrible policies shouldn't be impeachment, but simply being voted out of office .... which is why I refused to vote for Bill the second time around.

Again, should apply to all Presidents, and is an example of what I call even-handed application of ethics and rules.

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Your memory has failed epically.
2 Presidents have been Impeached. Both Democrats. Neither named Nixon. Nixon was not one of the 3 Impeachments.
No matter how many times you dredge out this delusion from your fantasies and pretend it is a fact, does not make it so.

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Only 2,637 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.

how exciting.

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So, I'm going to add something about the role of Special Prosecutor.

In my memory, two Presidents have been investigated by a Special Prosecutor: Nixon, and Clinton, and subsequently been impeached.
I don't remember much about the Nixon impeachment, - SIGNY

Mostly because it never happened, other than in your dreams and fantasies. Don't fight the facts, let the truth set your mind free from the yoke of delusional Libtardism- JSF

The second investigation - of Bill Clinton- began with the DOJ appointment of Robert Fiske as Special Prosecutor. His remit was Whitewater in relation to the suicide of Vince Foster. When he failed to find ... SIGNY

The Rose Law Firm Billing Records which Hilliary kept illegally sequestered in her White House closet, nor enough of the mountain of evidence for certain proof of - JSF

...wrongdoing, the Republican Congress appointed an Independent Counsel - Ken Starr- to endlessly crawl up Clinton's anus until he found or created something with which to hang Bill.

The resulting articles of impeachment were ... SIGNY

weak tea amid Bill and Hilliary's escape from justice due their long list of criminal perpetrations.... JSF

... As you all know, I'm no fan of Bill Clinton. I think he's a corrupt sexual predator who - along with Hillary- concocted any number of shady transactions to enrich himself at every level of public office, including (for all I know) running drugs thru Arkanas. HOWEVER. IMHO articles of impeachment should be limited to what a person does AS PRESIDENT. Special Prosecutors and Independent Counsels should not have license to engage in free-ranging unlimited witch hunts. Uncovering of NON-Presidential crimes should be investigated and prosecuted ordinarily, and not be part of articles of impeachment.

That was my opinion then, and it's my opinion now. It applies equally to Bill, Bush, Obama, Trump, and any other President.

My criticism of Bill AS PRESIDENT has to do with what he did AS PRESIDENT, and that includes

repealing Glass Steagall
promoting and signing the DMCA
promoting and signing NAFTA and CAFTA and creating a special trade partnership with China
promoting and signing the Commodities Futures Trading Modernization Act
"Ending Welfare as We Know It", AND, as I was recently reminded
Deregulating the media which allowed six companies ownership of 90% of the market

The "punishment" for these horrible policies shouldn't be impeachment, but simply being voted out of office .... which is why I refused to vote for Bill the second time around.

Again, should apply to all Presidents, and is an example of what I call even-handed application of ethics and rules.- SIGNY

Your memory has failed epically. 2 Presidents have been Impeached. Both Democrats. Neither named Nixon. Nixon was not one of the 3 Impeachments. No matter how many times you dredge out this delusion from your fantasies and pretend it is a fact, does not make it so.- JSF

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As SECOND reminded me, "impeachment" is like "indictment", except by Congress. Once the articles of impeachment are approved, they move on to the Senate, which would find the officeholder either guilty or not guilty.

The articles of impeachment for Nixon were approved, but Nixon resigned before the Senate took them up.

Also, as I have detailed in my post, I think that Bill and Hillary were about the crookedest political couple in American history. HOWEVER, "impeachment" IMHO applies to crimes committed WHILE IN OFFICE, not to things that the officeholder(s) may have done before. If the investigator find evidence of crimes committed earlier, prosecution should be turned over to whichever jurisdiction can rightfully prosecute.

Also, impeachment shouldn't be a weapon to bludgeon the officeholder over policy differences. If you disagree with a person's policies, just don't vote for them.

The limitations on impeachment apply to Trump as well as to Bill. If you want

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I'll bet you dollars to donuts that if there is anything brought against Trump, it won't have diddly-squat to do with Russia.

This is probably going to turn out like Bill Clinton .... they dug and dug and dug and dug and came up with .... not an affair with "that women" but the fact that he lied to Congress about it. What you'll see is a lot of goalpost-moving ... not "collusion" exactly and not Russia at all but something else ... maybe something in his business affairs.

But yanno, it occurred to me ... why fight the hysteria?

Let's say that you get your wish, and Trump is impeached. Even better, Congress is returned to the Dems.

But the USA will still be de-industrialized, wealth inequality will still increase, there will still be endless wars at random throughout the globe, trade agreements will be signed which hogtie any of our well-intended regulations, our healthcare system will still consist of a giant hemorrhage of government money into private insurers and big pharma, and we'll still be facing an unpayable public and private debt.


I love America, I really do. So then what? ...

Apparently nobody is able to answer the question.

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Just going to add one more problem to the list of problems that Trump DIDN'T create:

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78% Of US Workers Are Living 'Paycheck-To-Paycheck' & 71% Of Them Are In Debt

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-02/78-us-workers-are-living-payc
heck-paycheck-71-them-are-debt

Again, NOT A DEFENSE OF TRUMP.

But you all seem to feel that Trump is "the" problem, and that impeaching Trump is "the" solution, when in reality the problems are much larger than Trump, and go back much, much farther than one year! . Impeaching Trump might make you feel good, BUT THEN WHAT?

Who's going to solve these problems? The crooked DNC?

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Attorney General Jeff Sessions rejected a proposal by a junior campaign aide who offered to use his "Russian contacts" to try to set up a meeting between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, a source familiar with the matter told NBC News.

The aide, George Papadopoulos, has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, and documents released Monday show he was in contact with Russians who offered him "dirt" on Hillary Clinton — including thousands of emails.

This new revelation is significant because Sessions told Congress under oath in June that he had "no knowledge" of any conversations by anyone connected to the Trump campaign about "any type of interference with any campaign" by Russians.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sessions-rejected-russian-proposa
l-campaign-adviser-source-says-n817001

Tick tock, tick tock

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"But then" we dont hav the international embarrassment, Siggy. And therez also the not having a blackmailed puppet running the country into the ground thing.

Sessionz iz so busted its funny watching him wok around like he iznt going to jail.

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JO ... not having Trump to pick on doesn't pay the bills or right the economy. And your fantasy of Trump being blackmailed by Putin is just so laughable and off-the-wall it's not even worth responding to.

I know that facing our big problems is difficult because they've been allowed to fester so long that they're almost intractable. But still, ignoring them isn't going to make them go away.

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Ex-British spy [was] paid $168,000 for Trump dossier, U.S. firm discloses

A Washington research firm paid a former British spy’s company $168,000 for work on a dossier outlining Russian financial and personal links to Donald Trump’s 2016 election campaign, the U.S. firm said in a statement on Wednesday...

Fusion GPS’ statement said it had told Congress about how $168,000 was paid last year to Orbis Business Intelligence, Steele’s company.

The money paid to Orbis was taken from $1.02 million it received in fees and expenses from the Perkins Coie law firm, the statement said. The law firm represented the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign ...

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-dossier/ex-british-
spy-paid-168000-for-trump-dossier-u-s-firm-discloses-idUSKBN1D15XH?utm_campaign=digest&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nuzzel

In other words, the DNC and Hillary Clinton, thru their common law firm, paid Russians[s] for "dirt" on Trump.

How is that any different than what the Trump campaign is accused of doing, except that the Trump campaign didn't pay anybody and never got a "dossier" from their abortive contacts?

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But yanno, it occurred to me ... why fight the hysteria?

Let's say that you get your wish, and Trump is impeached. Even better, Congress is returned to the Dems.

But the USA will still be de-industrialized, wealth inequality will still increase, there will still be endless wars at random throughout the globe, trade agreements will be signed which hogtie any of our well-intended regulations, our healthcare system will still consist of a giant hemorrhage of government money into private insurers and big pharma, and we'll still be facing an unpayable public and private debt.

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Picked from your list a simple example where the two parties take opposite sides: "wealth inequality will still increase". Today's headline was With wrinkles ironed out, Republicans unveil tax plan Under that was Bill writer Brady heralds measure, while Democrats denounce it as giveaway to rich

I believe the following will be true for many years: The GOP uses the tax code to increase wealth inequality. Democrats will oppose.

Yesterday's GOP bill could have been a tax reform bill that encouraged companies to invest and innovate. It could have been a tax reform bill that disrupted the irresponsible, socially costly business model of Wall Street.

It’s none of those things. Instead, it’s a pretty blatant cash grab for corporations and wealthy individuals, without much positive to show for that.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/3/16599788/republican-tax-plan
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www.marketwatch.com/story/director-rob-reiner-on-lbj-president-johnson
-would-not-have-understood-trump-2017-11-03

Question: You didn’t like LBJ growing up. He’s got the Vietnam War. You certainly don’t like Trump. What makes you sure, less than a year into his presidency, that Trump won’t go on to achieve anything?

Answer: It’s extraordinary the legislation LBJ passed — the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, Medicare, Medicaid, Head Start. Trump has achieved nothing. There’s a big difference between Donald Trump and LBJ. LBJ was a larger-than-life character, he had flaws, a big ego. But he knew deep down in his bones how to get things done. He understood how to make the intersection of politics, policy and government work together in a profound way. Donald Trump has no idea how government works and the worst part is he has no interest in learning. He is so narcissistic that all he cares about is how he can make things better for himself.

What LBJ could do that Trump isn’t able to do is to broker deals between both sides. If you look at what he did with the Civil Rights Act, it was rejected by all the Southern Democrats. He even said when it was passed, we’re going to lose the south for a generation. It was more than a generation. He knew that in order to make something work and get done, he had to reach across the aisle and get votes from the other side. Trump doesn’t even know the beginning of how to do it.

Question: Are the Democrats providing an effective opposition to Trump?

Answer: No. I don’t think they’ve ever seen anything like this and I don’t think they know what to do. But I think ultimately Trump is going to implode and be brought down by his own devices. I don’t think the Democrats are going to have anything to do with it.

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SIG, can you see me laughing? Spin the truth all you want in these threads. What's going on in reality is playing out in the real world, not in your diseased little mind. Funny how nothing from the real world backs up the claims you make. Hillary is not under investigation for colluding with the Russians; Trump is. Hillary is not the president, Trump is.

On a side note. I'm sure all Putin's friends are real happy the world is now focused on their money laundering process, and will be taking serious steps to frustrate that. Why, payback for the Russians meddling in all their elections. What goes around comes around. Consider for a moment comrade that Mueller's investigation may lead to charges against many if not all of Putin's friends. Hmmm, he may not be able to go to Russia and get them, but his investigations can cause havoc in their lives.

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THUGR:

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Ex-British spy [was] paid $168,000 for Trump dossier, U.S. firm discloses

A Washington research firm paid a former British spy’s company $168,000 for work on a dossier outlining Russian financial and personal links to Donald Trump’s 2016 election campaign, the U.S. firm said in a statement on Wednesday...

Fusion GPS’ statement said it had told Congress about how $168,000 was paid last year to Orbis Business Intelligence, Steele’s company.

The money paid to Orbis was taken from $1.02 million it received in fees and expenses from the Perkins Coie law firm, the statement said. The law firm represented the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign ...

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-dossier/ex-british-
spy-paid-168000-for-trump-dossier-u-s-firm-discloses-idUSKBN1D15XH?utm_campaign=digest&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nuzzel

In other words, the DNC and Hillary Clinton, thru their common law firm, paid Russians[s] for "dirt" on Trump.

How is that any different than what the Trump campaign is accused of doing, except that the Trump campaign didn't pay anybody and never got a "dossier" from their abortive contacts?

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Picked from your list a simple example where the two parties take opposite sides: "wealth inequality will still increase". Today's headline was With wrinkles ironed out, Republicans unveil tax plan Under that was Bill writer Brady heralds measure, while Democrats denounce it as giveaway to rich= SECOND

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And yet, despite the Dems pious mouthings, wealth inequality increased under Obama at the SAME RATE as it increased under Bush ... and under Clinton.

Do you know what YOUR problem is, hon? You do what you constantly accuse ME of doing with Trump: you believe what the Dems tell you!

I mean, you're CONSTANTLY posting things like ... "Did you really believe Trump would accomplish anything?" (not really) and " ... if you believed anything (anything at all) Trump said before or after election, you are stupid"/

Let me turn that around on you.

SECOND, if you believed anything (anything at all) Trump Obama/ Hillary/ Bill said before or after election, you are stupid.

CLEARLY, you believe a lot of things that the Dems SAY that they're for, but somehow never manage to accomplish, and despite their repeated failures and lies, you still manage to keep on believing, and promoting.

Now THAT'S stupid!

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Signym, the problem is that problems cannot be solved by only a few people in high positions coming together in goodwill and trust to devise a solution. My real world experience is that nothing happens easily. I have an instance on solving the inequality problem:

In his new book, The Great Leveler: Violence and the History of Inequality from the Stone Age to the Twenty-First Century, the Austrian historian Walter Scheidel puts forth a depressing and thought-provoking thesis: The only thing that can really dent rampant and long-lasting economic inequality is violence.

Violence in the book is broadly defined: It can refer to war, or to political upheaval, or to natural disasters. But the conclusion — that one ill can only be solved via some form of suffering — is an unsettling one, especially in an America rife with inequality.

Walter Scheidel: It was essentially looking at history in the very long run and trying to identify the driving forces behind significant reductions in inequality. Everywhere I looked, over hundreds of thousands of years, I found that every single time you observe such a compression, such a reduction, it was always linked to some very massive, violent shock that usually cost millions of lives, and I haven’t really been able to find any significant counterexamples.

www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2017/11/is_viol
ence_the_only_way_to_end_inequality.html

My conviction is that the Democrats cannot solve the inequality problem without busting open many Republicans' heads, but that's just me, not the Democratic Party's position.

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Picked from your list a simple example where the two parties take opposite sides: "wealth inequality will still increase". Today's headline was With wrinkles ironed out, Republicans unveil tax plan Under that was Bill writer Brady heralds measure, while Democrats denounce it as giveaway to rich= SECOND

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And yet, despite the Dems pious mouthings, wealth inequality increased under Obama at the SAME RATE as it increased under Bush ... and under Clinton.

Do you know what YOUR problem is, hon? You do what you constantly accuse ME of doing with Trump: you believe what the Dems tell you!

I mean, you're CONSTANTLY posting things like ... "Did you really believe Trump would accomplish anything?" (not really) and " ... if you believed anything (anything at all) Trump said before or after election, you are stupid"/

Let me turn that around on you.

SECOND, if you believed anything (anything at all) Trump Obama/ Hillary/ Bill said before or after election, you are stupid.

CLEARLY, you believe a lot of things that the Dems SAY that they're for, but somehow never manage to accomplish, and despite their repeated failures and lies, you still manage to keep on believing, and promoting.

Now THAT'S stupid!

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Ex-British spy [was] paid $168,000 for Trump dossier, U.S. firm discloses

In other words, the DNC and Hillary Clinton, thru their common law firm, paid Russians[s] for "dirt" on Trump.

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Steele, the ex-British spy iz British, not Russian. He wuz paid to dig up dirt on Trump. Not illegal. Not the same az coluding with a forin adversary to interfere with the election.



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Ex-British spy [was] paid $168,000 for Trump dossier, U.S. firm discloses
In other words, the DNC and Hillary Clinton, thru their common law firm, paid Russians[s] for "dirt" on Trump.- SIGNY

Steele, the ex-British spy iz British, not Russian.

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Neither is Joseph Mifsud, the British professor who was supposed to be the intermediary between Papadopoulos and some Russians. The parallel is pretty close, as far as I can tell.

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"The only thing that can really dent rampant and long-lasting economic inequality is violence."


What. You think the privileged people such as yourself will willingly give up their comfy lives without a fight?

Shirley, you jest.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"The only thing that can really dent rampant and long-lasting economic inequality is violence."

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Great, give it a go in Russia and let us know how it works out.

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I was quoting SECOND, so it must be SECOND who's going to Russia. Do try to keep up.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I was quoting SECOND, so it must be SECOND who's going to Russia. Do try to keep up.

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If you're going to quote someone here it's very easy. The program does it for you. What you did in no way suggests you were quoting SECOND. See how I just quoted you? You've really got to be an ass to fuck that up. Like I said, it's very easy. Do try and get it right.

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"If you're going to quote someone here it's very easy. The program does it for you. What you did in no way suggests you were quoting SECOND."


Do you not know what quotation marks mean??? I put them there to indicate I was *quoting* someone else, and that I wasn't the original author.

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Signym, the problem is that problems cannot be solved by only a few people in high positions coming together in goodwill and trust to devise a solution. My real world experience is that nothing happens easily. I have an instance on solving the inequality problem:

In his new book, The Great Leveler: Violence and the History of Inequality from the Stone Age to the Twenty-First Century, the Austrian historian Walter Scheidel puts forth a depressing and thought-provoking thesis: The only thing that can really dent rampant and long-lasting economic inequality is violence.

Violence in the book is broadly defined: It can refer to war, or to political upheaval, or to natural disasters. But the conclusion — that one ill can only be solved via some form of suffering — is an unsettling one, especially in an America rife with inequality.

Walter Scheidel: It was essentially looking at history in the very long run and trying to identify the driving forces behind significant reductions in inequality. Everywhere I looked, over hundreds of thousands of years, I found that every single time you observe such a compression, such a reduction, it was always linked to some very massive, violent shock that usually cost millions of lives, and I haven’t really been able to find any significant counterexamples.

www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2017/11/is_viol
ence_the_only_way_to_end_inequality.html

My conviction is that the Democrats cannot solve the inequality problem without busting open many Republicans' heads, but that's just me, not the Democratic Party's position.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Somebody is going to have to dig up Dick Clark.

This countdown clock going to need a New Years countdown soon.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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