TERRIBLE NEWS! SERENITY DELAYED!

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GOJIRO

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:20 AM

This was just posted on Whedonesque.net by Joss:

Are you guys starting to hear that fanfare? Those distant drums? Are you slapping on your side-arms, pulling on your long brownish-colored coats and thumbing your crisp new bills in anticipation of the cinematic event of the year? Well, it's official: on April 22nd you, the true the blue the loyal, can step right up with the rest of America and WAIT FIVE MORE MONTHS.

Heh. See, sometimes studios shuffle around release dates...

Okay. Don't panic. right now you're panicking. you're thinking, "how could they do this to me?" But what you SHOULD be thinking is: "How could they do this to JOSS?". Seriously. That pity is mine and I want it back.

So what happened? Well, nothing terribly original. April got crowded with a lot of titles aimed at a similar demographic, and the studio decided September was a clearer corridor for the film to make the kind of impact it should. This isn't about a lack of confidence in the film -- in fact, they told me this before they even saw it. And now they have seen it, and unless they're way better liars than I'm used to, they dug it. Actually, they dug it pretty large, which is a good sign since there's not a single finished effect in the film. There's no reworking the end, no reshoots, no "does it have to be in space?". It's just a marketing issue. Now you'll get to watch lots of trailers in the summer. And hopefully, by the time it comes out, other people, people who ain't us, will get a whiff of what we're up to, and come along too.

I love this movie. I HATE waiting to show it too you. I felt pretty much the way I imagine you're feeling right now when they told me. But these guys know what they're doing, and they're trying to protect their investment, not bury it. So I gotta be a grown-up. The release date is September 30th. Hopefully it won't change again.

Spread the word. Keep the faith. And gleam the damn cube already.

-j.

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STARPILOTGRAINGER

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:31 AM

Damn. Just... damn.

That just sucks.

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ECGORDON

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:35 AM

Is it September yet?

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

ZOID

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:36 AM

gojiro:

Only 311 days, 0 hours, 38 minutes, and 44 seconds left until The BDM!

(zoid remembers to cut lengthwise, not crosswise when slashing his wrists)

God, I hope this is somebody's misbegotten idea of humorous...

Respectfully,

zoid

P.S.
Unlike Joss, I don't have to be grown up about this!
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"Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't push the release date back on me." The Ballad of Serenity (sort of...)

GOJIRO

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:
gojiro:

Only 311 days, 0 hours, 38 minutes, and 44 seconds left until The BDM!

(zoid remembers to cut lengthwise, not crosswise across his wrists)

God, I hope this is somebody's misbegotten idea of humorous...

Respectfully,

zoid

P.S.
Unlike Joss, I don't have to be grown up about this!
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"Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't push the release date back on me." The Ballad of Serenity (sort of...)

Well, if it is a joke, it's not MY joke. It is posted here:

http://whedonesque.com/?comments=5406#42835

Judge for yourself. Personally, I HOPE it isn't true.

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MOHRSTOUTBEARD

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:45 AM

I hope this is just a goddamn November 22nd Fool's Day prank.

"You've just gotta go ahead and change the captain of your brainship, because he's drunk at the wheel."

SUCCATASH

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:46 AM

fuck

MANIACNUMBERONE

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:51 AM

I got a whiff of what they're up to all right.

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ZOID

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:01 AM

gojiro crossposted JW's message, which launched a thousand aneurysms:

Quote:
... So what happened? Well, nothing terribly original. April got crowded with a lot of titles aimed at a similar demographic...

See?! This is why I never vote for candidates from the Demographic Party! Those guys are supposed to represent us, but they always just wind up screwing the working stiffs. It's downright un-demographic and anti-American!

Speaking of 'anti-American', I wonder if they're still planning on the original release dates for the rest of the world? If so, I'm off to the Netherlands (by tramp steamer) for the 5th of May premiere. Can I bring y'all back some tulips or other 'horticultural products'?

Dejectedly,

zoid

BEATLE

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:13 AM

I may be the only one who is gald about this. Not that I have to wait even longer, but that people are looking for a better release date that will hightlight this movie even more.
Did that make sense?
Anyways, I didn't like the original release date. I was hoping for a time when the movie could stand out on it's own and not compete with other large movie releases.
Not that I think Serenity could'nt stand on it's own against them, but I think it could help the movie more this way.

THEGREYJEDI

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:16 AM

Damnit. Damnit, damnit, damnit. Now I have to wait on something else?!

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ZOID

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:28 AM

TheGreyJedi wrote:

Quote:
Damnit. Damnit, damnit, damnit. Now I have to wait on something else?!

No... You have to wait longer for something you thought you were going to get sooner, after waiting for a long time.

Unless they change their minds again, in which case it will mean an even longer wait to get the movie, which we all were sure we'd get sooner rather than later... But... We were wrong... And stuff...

Okay, my head hurts now.

Chronologically,

zoid
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"Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." The Ballad of Serenity

KELLAINA

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:32 AM

But... but... but...

sigh

If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do. -"Angel"

TECHIECL

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:36 AM

Okay, okay, I know we're all pissed off or dissapointed. But we gotta turn this to our advantage.

A five month more wait means-

More time to guerilla market Serenity.

More time to convert new fans.

More time to raise money for DVD Set Donations

More time to work on costume for us costumers / cosplayers.

...and all that boils down to a better chance we get those two "successful weekends" that are needed for Universal to green light two more Serenity movies.

So, spout that explitive and then regroup yourself. Cause us fans have work to do.

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SENUFF

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kellaina:
But... but... but...

sigh

If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do. -"Angel"

I know, I know, I know... Oh that hurt.

"I got stabbed, right here..."

WILLOWY

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:52 AM

It's not Whedonesque.net, its Whedonesque.com. And yep, its the sad truth.

They have a special color for actual vips that visit the site. It was him and he brought the not so good.

Kind of him to deliver the news himself. But oh so sad for us Browncoats. :(

"Once, in flight school, I was laconic..."

HLGEM

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:55 AM

Arrrrrrgggghhhhh!!!!!

Ok moment of sheer frustration over, now back to converting more people and guerrila marketing. Let's make this the best damn September opening in history!!! Let's make them wish it had opened Memorial day Weekend.

TOMANTA

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:55 AM

Well, that just sucks royally. I was really planning on seeing Serenity (for the 3rd of 4th time, of course) on Episode III's opening night. And seeing it with my brother when I went home after the spring semester, too :(.

BUT... September 30th is my birthday. Fun stuff.

"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear

ROCKETJOCK

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:01 AM

It's times like this that I really wish I knew how to curse in Chinese.

"Hermanos! The Devil has built a robot! Andale!" -- Numero Cinco

WILLOWY

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:14 AM

Can I just say how I love you guys?

Shoving your disappointment aside, and rallying to gather ever more people to make our BDM the biggest genre film opening in history?

If anyone can do it, we can. And thanks for making me feel better. A bit better. And a bit is a lot right now.

HAUFEL

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RocketJock:
It's times like this that I really wish I knew how to curse in Chinese.

There are some choice selections here that seem to apply:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/reference.asp?r=831

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

TOMANTA

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:22 AM

Did a little research. Here's what IMDB has listed as being released in April (removing Serenity):

April 1st:
Surfing the Wake
Sin City
Stomp! Shout! Scream!
Tenacious D in: The Pick of Destiny
Weather Man, The
Big Ain't Bad (2002)

April 8th:
In Her Shoes
Unleashed
Dust to Glory
Man of the House

April 15th
Rumor Has It
Amityville Horror, The

April 17th:
Bright Leaves

April 22nd:
Walk the Line

April 29th:
Crash
House of Wax
Every Word Is True
XXX: State of the Union

April 30th:
Dead Man's Bluff

May 1st:
Disaster!

May 5th:
Miracle Mile

May 6th:
Kingdom of Heaven
Monster-in-Law
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, The
===============

I only recognize a handful of titles. There's Sin City, but that's at the beginning of April and I'd consider it out of play by the 22nd. There's Amityville Horror (which I'm wondering why it is being released in April), but I don't see it as big competition for Serenity.

AFTER the 22nd, though, you have the sequal to XXX and the next week you have Hitchhiker's. Those are the two that Universal is afraid of. Demographics overlap, and both can be seen as having more recognition than Firefly. So Universal is afraid that Serenity won't have the staying power at the box office past the first week.

As much as I HATE to wait that much longer, I'm inclined to agree with the decision. I think it really needs at least one extra weekend without competition to get its foot in the door with word of mouth.

"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear

INSANESPIKE

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:53 AM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

First I watch my Chiefs lose another heartbreaker tonight to the Patriots, and now I log on and see this horrible news! What a night this has been.

"How drunk was I last night?"

SENUFF

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:05 AM

Quote:

AFTER the 22nd, though, you have the sequal to XXX and the next week you have Hitchhiker's. Those are the two that Universal is afraid of. Demographics overlap, and both can be seen as having more recognition than Firefly. So Universal is afraid that Serenity won't have the staying power at the box office past the first week.

As much as I HATE to wait that much longer, I'm inclined to agree with the decision. I think it really needs at least one extra weekend without competition to get its foot in the door with word of mouth.

"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear

Tomanta,

Thanks for the reassurance. It's not so good that release date was delayed, but it would be worse if it was due to Universal not believing in Serenity.

What I mean to say, if they delayed it because they wanna give it the best chance, then it's OK. If they delayed it because they can't be bothered, then "I'm confused, I'm angry, and I'm armed".

I really hope you're right. You ARE right, right?

PURPLEBELLY

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:07 AM

Anybody heard the release date for the screener?

11THHOUR

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:26 AM

Oh jeeeeeeez...

Now I gotta change practically every FRIKKEN one of my guerilla marketing posters.

Ya know, I always had a bit of an uneasy feeling about actually using the April 2005 release date. Something in the back of my mind said the odds are one in a very small number that this date will stick. It is HOLLYWOOD after all... changing deadlines is business as usual...

Sheesh, I hope it'll be safe to at least still use year 2005...

*grumble grumble*

11th Hour

SENUFF

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:30 AM

Quote:
Anybody heard the release date for the screener?

I've heard nothin. Sorry.

HARDY

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:00 AM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, that can't be true

Mal: "Everybody dies alone"

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FILMCRITIC3000

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:09 AM

Wow

Oh well. We'll just have more time to promote the hell out of our BDM. Truth be told, I was worried that XXX: State Of The Union and the next Star Wars movie would come along and deposit our BDM underneath them both, and the media analysts would have a field day with the overbooked spring release schedule and take it out on Serenity (i.e. "Whedon's Firefly movie fails to soar"). So September 30th sounds good. According to Yahoo! Movies, it's a week after The Legend Of Zorro and Serenity will be opening up against Curious George. I'd rather there be no competition, but maybe Serenity can battle for a premium chunk of box-office gold. Onward, Browncoats!

"The first thing I do in the morning is brush
my teeth and sharpen my tongue." -- Dorothy Parker

FREDEP

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:27 AM

WHAT!!!!???

This is a bad way to wake up

JRC

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:33 AM

I had already set aside a couple of days vacation too.

Damn.

I'll be in my bunk...........crying.

Everyone dies alone.

DECKROID

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:43 AM

KHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YT

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gojiro:
This was just posted on Whedonesque.net by Joss:

the studio decided September was a clearer corridor for the film to make the kind of impact it should. This isn't about a lack of confidence in the film -- in fact, they told me this before they even saw it. And now they have seen it, and unless they're way better liars than I'm used to, they dug it. Actually, they dug it pretty large,

...snip...

The release date is September 30th. Hopefully it won't change again.

If they dug it pretty large, why don't they want to release it in summer? Isn't that supposed to be the prefered season for big damn movies with no pretensions toward prime-time oscars? And isn't this the official BDM? September is for niche films, not blockbusters. We're gonna see this film no matter when, or where, it's released. Universal needs more than just Firefly fans to justify $50Million to produce the BDM.

Now, they're planning to release it a month before the DVD release of the next Star Wars movie. In the month of September, I wouldn't be surprised if there is more advertising $money spent on the SWDVD than on the BDMTR.

Don't wanna throw down in April? Awright, it's their money, advertising too. But give us this summer.

And a Christmas 2005 DVD.

Keep the Shiny Side Up

PSYCHICRIVER

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:09 AM

GRRRRRRRRR!!!

No way! No, that's just tooo long! We can't wait that long, oh why!

Ah well, I guess that absence does make the heart grow fonder. I mean, who else isn't planning to go see this movie at least 3 times when it comes out!?!

I've seen the first 13 episodes of Firefly now and am saving the Season Finale, "Objects In Space", for tonight when I get home! I'm soooo excited, I've been told it's one of Joss' best works, and that there's a lot of River in there, my FAV character!!!

I can't wait!!! Ahh! I'll post my thoughts on it, and the Season as a whole later on.

Then I can watch all the special features I've been fighting to resist, and all the commentaries, and then I'm gonna re-watch the whole season again, then I'm lending it to my friend, so will have to struggle alone for at least a week. At least I'll have Buffy & Angel to keep me occupied.

But I'm so annoyed about the delayed movie!

Also, here's hoping that the movie will make TV bosses beg for A Firefly Season 2!!!

PsychicRiver

"Two by two, hands of blue."

PHOEBE

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:05 AM

Well, okay, putting aside all the shiny good sides of what you guys have been coming up with... I think I'm going to go back to bed and hope that when I wake up again, this will never have happened. The Serenity convention in April was geared around the Serenity release! Now what are they gonna do?!

*stalks sadly back to bed*

GROUNDED

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:09 AM

Quite honestly though, is anyone truly surprised? I know I'm not...

MERCEDESTROY

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:10 AM

Well darn it!

On the one hand, it means that I see "Serenity" with the Indiana Browncoats instead of the Florida Browncoats, which is a disappointment.

On the other hand, it means I get the movie for my 50th Birthday present and that is shiny as hell.

Plus I get more time to actually get a decent Browncoat outfit set up.

Patience is a virtue (I keep telling myself that).

Debs

If Justice is the dish, then I am your waitress

DARKJESTER

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:48 AM

"......" "........" "huh.....?"

damn!!

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

HEB

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:22 PM

They may have to move around films but i bet that this is the change that is going to disappoint the largest number of people.

I don't see why we should spare our pity for Joss - he's already seen the movie!

Seriously though it must suck for Joss but it'll be good if it means it gets a bigger audience.

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AERONSTORM

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:22 PM

Man! April 22nd is going to be my wedding date in 2006 ( and no, I didn't choose it because of Serenity - it's my parents' anniversary) Oh Well.

BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:23 PM

*Sighs* You know it is going to be a bad day when.......you wake up and find out your BDM has been pushed back 4 months!!!

Ah well, there is nothing to be done about it I suppose. The anticipation is killing me though.

Of course this now means it will be coming out the same month as Dragon Con and the Browncoat Ball. Hopefully without the BDM being released yet they will still be able to get the BDHs to come to Dragon Con.

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JAPPAR2001

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:25 PM

THIS IS BAD. I CALL A PETITION AT ONCE. I'm not convinced the firefly fanbase and keep this amazing enthusiasm up for another 5 months. I mean what is there to be a fan of if nothing new in being released. Comic con and the official website brought massive attention to firely, the dvds were have just finished being released in most countries. Whats going to keep us going? I seriously think we should all sign an offical fan petition. This is our movie. Joss maybe able to accept the new date but he also praised the original date. I don't agree with there business decisions. If there so confident about this film then why arn't other studios pulling out of releasing their films that week. They should take a stand. This is an act of insecurity of the studio. TYPICAL. This is bad news in many different ways.

UNCHARTEDOUTLAW

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:38 PM

We gotta look at the positives in this one. More time to create converts and get the hype machine in full effect.

But dayum, I'll now be 29 when it comes out!

-Taylor

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BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:39 PM

Another thought. Since the BDM is being pushed back to September, I suppose that means the novelization will be pushed back too.

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DOUBLESHINY

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:53 PM

This sucks worse than sucking. I know there may be a lot of genre movies out at the same time, but why should it be Serenity to move? I reckon this movie is the one that everyone is waiting for, let the others move to September!

Movie Execs. Curse your sudden (but inevitable) betrayal!

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NERVOUSPETE

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:10 PM

I'm convinced the fan base can, personally. Since I've arrived here I've been really impressed by the level of commitment shown by Firefly fans, one that has me all full fervour as well - and I usually dislike the status and geekery that comes with being a cheerleading fanboy or fangirl, but with Firefly I feel it's something truly special!

Personally I think that the new date will work better for the film, and that more people will be more likely to see it in that summer month. The media will be concentrating on Star Wars in April, but in September if Universal wisely markets it as an intelligent sci-fi romp, drawing critics attention to it, then I think that it will do well. And I know SFX in the UK will continue to champion it, and they won't let this date shift go without majorly commenting on it repeatedly, and begging people not to lose heart.

It was a blow reading the news in the morning, especially since I read it on the abhorent Aintitcoolnews.com, and then made the mistake of reading the largely ignorant Talkback as well. I was on the site due to myself checking my The Incredibles review on a Talkback, desperately conducting a social experiment to see if people would follow my lead, talk intelligently and respectfully, and clearly and concisely put forward their non-biased views. Failed miserably, obviously. And then I found the Serenity delayed news. And I felt even more depressed.

But only because I personally will have to wait. From a non-fan perspective, looking at what's good for the film, I think September will treat it better. In the meantime I'll just have to continue with my big damn novel and release it to fill the gap.

I'm still glad that Serenity is in the hands of Universal - we are talking of a studio here who funded our BDM in the first place, and have every faith in Whedon. I don't think they'll shabilly treat him, and I'm sure they conferred with him beforehand on this - not that he might have given his wholehearted approval, but from what he's said on the Whedonesque site I feel that he trusts them.

So we don't slack off. The war continues. We must convert. Let us hope a very shiny trailer comes out in April to use as ammunition and that the critics laud Serenity - if only to piggyback an extra drubbing against Lucas's no doubt mediocre effort.

Finally, I'm proud of you guys for taking this news with so few exclamation marks or capital letters. This is a truly dedicated, thoughtful board. My stiff-upper lip is quivering.

And Joss, damn, hasn't he got the mightiest stiff-upper-lip of all? An honoury Brit.

Thanks for listening. Keep on flyin'.

Pete

P.S: (And hey! This news means that we can all redivert all our efforts from political posting to strategising on every damn thing we can do between now and September to lure the public's mind into a slavering anticipation of Serenity!)

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- Jonathan Nash

RABIT

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:12 PM

Not happy about it, but I'll live. I guess they know the business, so - assuming that the reasons are real - I'm going to assume that it'll be better for the movie. I do feel sorry for Joss, and the rest of the cast and crew, as they won't be able to see the results of their efforts for even longer, but hopefully it'll result in a larger showing...

Quote:
Originally posted by MercedesTroy:
On the one hand, it means that I see "Serenity" with the Indiana Browncoats instead of the Florida Browncoats, which is a disappointment.

Ah, the (few) Hoosier Browncoats aren't that bad. Really!

(Where are you going to be in Indiana?)

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
I suppose that means the novelization will be pushed back too.

Wonderful point - more time to get it written and written well, right?

Rabit

NAKEDANDARTICULATE

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Another thought. Since the BDM is being pushed back to September, I suppose that means the novelization will be pushed back too.

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yep.and probably the other book(on essays).....this is not good,well this thanksgiving i am NOT thankful for this.i hate this.im sorry im a big baby right now, i know.just a few days ago the first photo was leaked and it hit me that it was getting closer--and now(sigh) alright,so here is a MEMO TO UNIVERSAL- PROVE IT.BACK IT UP.MARKET THE SHIT OUT OF THIS FILM! As april was approaching i still hadn't heard of ANY merchandise other than cards and 2 books,so now you can work on the following "dream merchandise" a video game by next christmas,that rumored animated prequel,action figures dammit(paramount blew it with sky captain)t-shirts,and anything else. hell ill take serenity pop tarts if it'll help with marketing! and yes,to the other fellow browncoats have said that gives us more time to convert other folks to this universe.i called my best friend who i just converted a few months ago and told him the bad news and he said the same as above,so we've got a lot of work people I may be depressed now,but gorramit that's enough of that,'cause browncoats don't pout they fight on."you wanna see the real me now?" we have to support this film to the end(one question,will the overseas market get it first now?)so right now we have 2 films to destroy the sequel to zorro-im sorry is it 1999 already? little late dontcha think? curious george.....sorry this monkey has no curiousity in that one.BRING IT ON STUDIOS! KEEP FLYING--damn straight.

"Hamsters is nice."

CRITTER

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:18 PM

I'm just, just ... there aren't words to say

MERCEDESTROY

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:24 PM

Rabit -

Oh my very dear, no one is dissin' the Hoosier Browncoats, I have just been living in Tampa since 1986 and these are the fans I celebrate Firefly Friday's with!

I am moving back home, to Indianapolis, possibly to attend InconJunction for the first time in, lets see, around 18 years ...

My how time flys.

Whereabouts are you?

If Justice is the dish, then I am your waitress

STILLSHINY

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 11thHour:
Oh jeeeeeeez...

Now I gotta change practically every FRIKKEN one of my guerilla marketing posters.

*grumble grumble*

11th Hour

And the logo on 98% of My T-shirts. Of course I suddenly feel inspired to make several new designs. Unfortunately, this is one of those bits of news to fuel the fire of the scoffers. We the true browcoats will wait for our Big Damn Movie.

Check out my shop!
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STILLSHINY

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:38 PM

Nother posting from Joss this was at Buffy.nu:

You guys are sweetumses. If I was here to rouse you to action, I’d be wearing pants. I mean, using... rhetoric... (note to self: delete pants thing.) The fact is, I’m crushed, because I’m so anxious for you all to see what we’ve done. I want the world to know that Nathan Fillion is the next Harrison Ford (Well, he IS). I want them to see how amazing Summer Glau is... not to mention the whole cast and Jack Green, the greatest DP in DP-land, everybody just did such good work it almost makes me wish I’d written a coherent script! Or, I mean... um, hey, no pants! (Note to self...) So there you have it, or me, disappointed and impatient. But I really do believe in this studio. They supported this project since before I’d even thought up the SURPRISINGLY COHERENT script (nice save!) and they’ve been very up-front about their scheduling and marketing stratgies. so I stand with their decision, but, as Abe Simpson would say: "They’re in for the frowning of a lifetime!"

How’s that cube coming? Gleamy?

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GOJIRO

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:51 PM

And this from JoBlo.com:

Quote:
I think the most amount of hate mail I've ever gotten since I started writing for JoBlo.com some 4 years ago was when I questioned the SERENITY movie. Boy the fans came out of the woodworks on that one to rip me a new one. In my defense, I think my commens were overblown as I wasn't criticizing the quality of the show (I haven't even seen it), just curious about the business decision to base a big-budget sci-fi flick on a shortlived TV series. I have now learned through a series of e-mails from "Firefly" fans that there is a huge, devoted audience to the franchise and that, like STAR TREK, successful films can often come out of cancelled TV shows. I also learned that I'm a stupid piece of @!#$ with %$&* for brains. At least according to those e-mails. Anyway, bad news for that devoted bunch of "Firefly" fans. Writer/Director Joss Whedon has announced that the release of the film has been pushed back from April to September. Whedon explains it by saying, "April got crowded with a lot of titles aimed at a similar demographic, and the studio decided September was a clearer corridor for the film to make the kind of impact it should." Sounds like a similar decision Paramount made this summer with SKY CAPTAIN AND THE WORLD OF TOMORROW and that seemed like a smart one. Unfortunately it just means a longer wait for the fans. To pass the time, I invite them to further fill my inbox with angry e-mails. But take it easy this time Whedonites - I got nothin but love for ya.

I particularly like the email bit. We are mighty.

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SIMONF

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:54 PM

Quote:
Nother posting from Joss this was at Buffy.nu:

Actually that posting comes from the same thread at Whedonesque where Joss broke the bad news *sighs*.

BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Stillshiny:
Quote:
Originally posted by 11thHour:
Oh jeeeeeeez...

Now I gotta change practically every FRIKKEN one of my guerilla marketing posters.

*grumble grumble*

11th Hour

And the logo on 98% of My T-shirts. Of course I suddenly feel inspired to make several new designs. Unfortunately, this is one of those bits of news to fuel the fire of the scoffers. We the true browcoats will wait for our Big Damn Movie.

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CONNORFLYNN

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:59 PM

Well.. heres to hoping a bomb like Gigli is showing at the same time , so that those avid weekend moviegoers are driven to see the BDM. I can see it now..Throngs of new Browncoats streaming from the theatres only to get in line to see it again immediately afterwords hehehehe.

I expect the series DVD sales to go up dramatically after the BDM release!

5 more months ain't so bad. It's better then hearing the words.."It's not being released at all".

ROBYN12

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:03 PM

On reading this I mailed Monica muns of UIP International and she says there is talk of delying the movie but it's not certain yet. I ahet to get everybody's hiopes up just to get them dashed again and personally I think Joss is the person who should know but when I get word from Monica I'll post.
Robyn.

Robyn12

RABIT

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MercedesTroy:
Oh my very dear, no one is dissin' the Hoosier Browncoats, I have just been living in Tampa since 1986 and these are the fans I celebrate Firefly Friday's with!

I am moving back home, to Indianapolis, possibly to attend InconJunction for the first time in, lets see, around 18 years ...

My how time flys.

Whereabouts are you?

No problem - I completely understand. I was uprooted from Washington (state) about 12 years ago and haven't been able to get out of the Midwest since. (And why, exactly, do they call it the Midwest?!?

)

I'm in Indianapolis, of course - isn't everyone?

My wife and I just bought a (99-year-old) house in the Irvington area, actually.

I honestly don't know many Browncoats, here. Most of my friends are, but that's about all I've come across.

What's InconJunction, if you don't mind me asking?

Rabit

BARNSTORMER

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:22 PM

Ahhhhh Crap!!!

Maybe it is a good move not to go up against Episode 3 and whatever else is coming in that
time frame, but it certianly does'nt make me
feel any better.

It's to depressing to think about.

If anyone needs me, I'll be in the back of the
room wallowing in self pity

whimpering in a pathetic like manner.

Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

RABIT

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Connorflynn:
I expect the series DVD sales to go up dramatically after the BDM release!

Likely... But I'm aiming to get them to increase before the BDM, too!

Rabit

CYBERSNARK

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:35 PM

People, people. . . Let's get some perspective here. The show was sabotaged from the get-go. Cancelled, abandoned by every other network that could've bankrolled it. The sets were struck, the cast and crew went their separate ways. . .

And we brought it back. We got a DVD phenomenon, we got a movie deal, we got just about everything we could reasonably hope for.

Now the movie's been delayed.

In the words of our immortal captain: "We're still flyin'."

May not be much, but it's enough.

Now then, lets get on 'Versal's back about those trailers, merchandising, and animated DVD prequel. . .

Hell, look at it this way; we might actually get a Serenity trailer riding along on Lucas's big CGI-sequence of a film. Wouldn't that be shiny (and have the added benefit of making the LucasEmpire seem all manner of foolish)?

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ROBYN12

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:46 PM

Shiny! I second that!

Robyn.

MERCEDESTROY

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:20 PM

Quote:
What's InconJunction, if you don't mind me asking?

Rabit

InconJunction is the local Sci-Fi convention that runs July 4th weekend in Indy. I don't know how political or icky it may have gotten in the last many years, but I hope to take a Browncoat contingent next year ... maybe.

Any thoughts, all the rest of you Hoosiers out there? Preparation for the BDM.

Debs

If Justice is the dish, then I am your waitress

MANIACNUMBERONE

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:21 PM

I'm suddenly jealous of a SNL skit in which Chris Farley drank down a keg-sized bottle of nyquil... thus sending him to happy unconsciousness for 6 months.

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Simon: I can't really tell, they don't seem to be playing by any civilized rules that I know.
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WHISPERING

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:43 PM

Nooooooooo

Why september? Why not february... or march :(

WILDHEAVENFARM

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:46 PM

We must band together in an attempt to sway them - petitions, organized protests, mass suicide, something! We could beg that it be moved up a few weeks, or only pushed back as far as June. WE HAVE TO TRY. We can't just roll over and accept it. If they changed it once, they can change it again.

Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

HARDWARE

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:49 PM

Alright Browncoats, listen up... I said stop whining,... no, you,... will you all please SHUT UP!

There, that's better.

Okay, we're all disappointed, no denying that. We all wanted to line up and put down our platinum and make Fux eat a big slice of humble pie. That'll still happen. Just not when we thought.

What everyone is missing about this is we're better off premiering in September. It's after the summer. Everybody's back home, looking for something to do after blowing oodles of cash doing everything all summer long. A movie is just about right. Plus, with the summer blockbusters out of the way there'll be more room for our BDHs to shine on the screen.

Another thing, there was another thread that said Independant's day should be April 22nd 'cause of the original premiere date and September 7th should be U-day because that was the day Firefly premiered on Fux and that allowed Fux to screw over our BDHs. Well that's just wrong-headed. Here's why. Without Firefly premiering on Fux we wouldn't have had a chance to experience the magic of Serenity. Sure, it didn't go the way Joss and us wanted, but that's life. Sometimes it don't roll the way you want. You just got to roll with it and wait for your chance to rise up.

I say the release date in September is gonna be our Independant's day.

No power in the 'verse can stop us.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

TOMANTA

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by WildHeavenFarm:
We must band together in an attempt to sway them - petitions, organized protests, mass suicide, something! We could beg that it be moved up a few weeks, or only pushed back as far as June. WE HAVE TO TRY. We can't just roll over and accept it. If they changed it once, they can change it again.

Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

We have to think of what is best for the show... and while I'm not sure that pushing it THAT far back is the best thing, giving it a clear field free of competitors is a good thing. I honestly don't think that Serenity will do as well in the midst of all the summer blockbusters (something Universal recently learned from The Chronicles of Riddick).

"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear

RABIT

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MercedesTroy:
I hope to take a Browncoat contingent next year ... maybe.

Post something when you're getting it set up. I'd be interested in being involved, depending upon timing, etc. Sounds like a great way to prep for the BDM!

Rabit

JAKE7

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:57 PM

Well, didn't all of us think that date was a bit soon considering all the special effects needed?

Weren't we all just a bit nervous about the effect of releasing it so soon in relation to Star Wars EP3?

At least now (not that I'm *remotely* happy about the wait) the furor over Star Wars can die down and we can TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!

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DARKARCHON

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DeckRoid:
KHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What he said!

"I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates who said, 'I drank what?'."

BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:05 PM

Glad to see all of my fellow Browncoats are staying motivated. We have to keep our morale up. I am 100% positive that no one here is as disappointed as Joss is about the delay.

We're still flyin' which is more than anyone gave us credit for a year ago. Keep that in mind while you are out pushing those DVDs and the BDM.

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BERNADETTE

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ManiacNumberOne:
I'm suddenly jealous of a SNL skit in which Chris Farley drank down a keg-sized bottle of nyquil... thus sending him to happy unconsciousness for 6 months.

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Gorram,five more @#$#@ months

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MALICIOUS

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:20 PM

WTF?!?

I did not approve of this decision! Heads will ROLL!

Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell

PIZMOBEACH

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:20 PM

Wouldn't Universal have known the April release landscape for some time? Why freaking NOW?!

Ok - better.

More time for guerilla marketing - brilliant! Double extra crispy guerilla marketing is called for. Going to go to work on it right now.

That guy, working electric, he never drank with us!

WILDHEAVENFARM

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tomanta:
We have to think of what is best for the show... and while I'm not sure that pushing it THAT far back is the best thing, giving it a clear field free of competitors is a good thing. I honestly don't think that Serenity will do as well in the midst of all the summer blockbusters (something Universal recently learned from The Chronicles of Riddick).

Yes, it has to be moved to avoid being crushed by the bohemoth-like franchises, but you'll never convince me that it has to be moved THAT far. Hell, move it forward three weeks.

Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

MOOSE

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:28 PM

[qoute]I'm just, just ... there aren't words to say

Actually I have a nice selection of choice ones, but I'll refrain from using them...

SHARKBYTE

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:32 PM

Does anyone else think that maybe Universal should move the relase date UP instead of back???? better to avoid competing with HHGTTG and SW:ep3. How about a March 1st release? or Feb 1st? anyone else with me?

OZYMANDIAS

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:18 PM

I am going to kill someone for doing this.

And Melkor fled before the laughter of Tulkas, and hated him ever after

KESSIE

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:26 PM

grrrr argh ... Damn it! *goes away to pout*

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They don’t know us, you see
Its only the last song
If we let it be

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TOMANTA

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by WildHeavenFarm:
Quote:
Originally posted by Tomanta:
We have to think of what is best for the show... and while I'm not sure that pushing it THAT far back is the best thing, giving it a clear field free of competitors is a good thing. I honestly don't think that Serenity will do as well in the midst of all the summer blockbusters (something Universal recently learned from The Chronicles of Riddick).

Yes, it has to be moved to avoid being crushed by the bohemoth-like franchises, but you'll never convince me that it has to be moved THAT far. Hell, move it forward three weeks.

Moving it forward three weeks would mean the movie would have to be completed at least three weeks earlier, which might be a major problem.

I couldn't find much I would label as competition past mid-July, BUT there are a LOT of films on the schedule (a lot of sure-to-be crap films, sure, but still a crowd).

Then it just comes down to just a four to six week period and I'm not going to second-guess the studio for that.

Something else to look at would be what else Universal has coming out and when. I have no idea there and have a paper to write, so not looking it up right now, but that's gonna be a factor.

"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear

KASUO

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:44 PM

No wonder my HSX stocks for Serenity has been falling..

Damn, Sky Captain came out in September too and it didn't do great.

ARAWAEN

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:47 PM

Foul... Foul... Filth and Foul!!!!!!

Knowledge is sorrow; they who know the most
Must mourn the deepest o'er the fatal truth,
The Tree of Knowledge is not that of Life.
-- Byron

SENUFF

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Arawaen:
Foul... Foul... Filth and Foul!!!!!!

Knowledge is sorrow; they who know the most
Must mourn the deepest o'er the fatal truth,
The Tree of Knowledge is not that of Life.
-- Byron

Arawaen,

I'm new on this site, but I'm with you. Another morning in Australia, and looks like it wasn't something I'd dreamed up. Very sad.

Really like your Byron quote, by the way. Thanks. That'll keep me goin for a little while.

TOMANTA

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kasuo:
No wonder my HSX stocks for Serenity has been falling..

No kidding. I'm afraid to log in now and see just how much of a hit it took. The loss as of this morning was more than enough.

"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear

BLUEEYEDBROWNCOAT

Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:35 PM

I think Doc said it best....

"Damn. Damn, Damn, Damn!"

I don't ask for much - just Firefly back on the air once a week.... oh, and maybe world peace.

AMDOBELL

Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:02 AM

This news knocked all the air out of me and left me so rutting disappointed but then thinking on the up side I have to believe that the September date will be the shinier option in the long run. Let's make every gorram day count in the run up to the new release date and hope it doesn't get moved again. So long as we Keep Flyin', Ali D :~)
MAL: "We've done the impossible, that makes us mighty."

SERENITYVALLEY

Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:21 AM

Aw man! I'm gonna be in college by then! You know what that means? No money. This sucks! This Spril, I was planning on going to see it like a ton of times, but by then, I'll be just another poor college kid with hardly the money to buy one ticket. Seeing Tenacious D on the line up made me smile for like half a second, but this just sucks. I understand why they're doing it and everything, but there are a lot of fans out there that would go to see it regardless what else is playing. Now I don't get to even go with my family in my home town because I'll be far far away in college. I wanted to see this movie with my brother because we're the only ones in my house who watch it. *sigh*

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TENTHCREWMEMBER

Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MohrStoutbeard:
I hope this is just a goddamn November 22nd Fool's Day prank.

Hrm...5 months from Nov. 22 is...April 22...hrm.

So I got to wait 5 months? I certainly hope this is a bad bad joke...though if it isn't, my birthday is 9/24, so I could be happy...but damn, that is like almost a YEAR away...excuse me, I think I have to go shoot some F*x execs, this is all indirectly their fault.

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Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:37 AM

Can I roll the calendar back a few months and make it September 20, 2004? See, they didn't say which YEAR it was going to be released and I for one intend to raise a ruckus about the fact that it should have been released ALREADY and it's LATE!!

SHINYSEVEN

Wednesday, November 24, 2004 1:08 AM

Power in the 'Versal stopped us.

VETERAN

Wednesday, November 24, 2004 1:27 AM

Gorram it. This is just typical. If they had real faith in the BDM they'd put it up against the other April movies. I hope he's not getting bumped for some Universal exec's pet project.

YT

Wednesday, November 24, 2004 1:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by jake7:
Well, didn't all of us think that date was a bit soon considering all the special effects needed?

I know I did.

Quote:
Weren't we all just a bit nervous about the effect of releasing it so soon in relation to Star Wars EP3?

Just a bit, really, and only 'cause of the monster promo budget SW will have.

Quote:
At least now (not that I'm *remotely* happy about the wait) the furor over Star Wars can die down and we can TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!

I still think we might have been better off in April. I have faith in Joss, & I have faith in George Lucas. Star Wars will suck. I think there'll be a lot of folks exiting the cinema, next spring, searching desperately for something to get that rancid taste out of their mouths. Amidst the almost deafening grumble, a clear voice will ring out, "Let's go see Serenity, again" A hush falls over the crowd . . . "in another four months."

Lost opportunity,

Keep the Shiny Side Up

DESANGRO

Wednesday, November 24, 2004 2:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by YT:
Weren't we all just a bit nervous about the effect of releasing it so soon in relation to Star Wars EP3?

Just a bit, really, and only 'cause of the monster promo budget SW will have.

Well, personally, I still think that Star Wars Ep Three would have been a concern. It's SW and you just know that people are gonna turn out to it, if only out of curiosity to see how bad it is. (Myself included among those numbers...) Perhaps pushing the release date was a good thing... though the extended wait is very bitter, I'll admit.

Still, it does give me more time to get an Alliance naval officer's uniform ready.

I've never gone to a film in costume before, and it should be a treat to do so.

PALADIN

Wednesday, November 24, 2004 2:38 AM

The delay is sad news indeed. I take heart in the fact the studio seemed genuinely pleased with the film, despite remaining reatively free of the digital effects. That says something. We can only hope this is for the best and keep on flyin'. Till then, keep telling your friends about Firefly. When you run out of friends.....just tell everyone else.

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YANKSNO1

Wednesday, November 24, 2004 3:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tomanta:
We have to think of what is best for the show... and while I'm not sure that pushing it THAT far back is the best thing, giving it a clear field free of competitors is a good thing. I honestly don't think that Serenity will do as well in the midst of all the summer blockbusters (something Universal recently learned from The Chronicles of Riddick).

"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear

I never liked the April release date for Serenity. I think September is much better. It was never going to do blockbuster type numbers (but would have done pretty well). Now with no competition in September, they should do very well. Now it has a chance which it didn't before. Yes we've gotta wait, but I love the idea of showing a Serenity trailer in front of Ep III. :)

LTNOWIS

Wednesday, November 24, 2004 4:03 AM

Quote:
No wonder my HSX stocks for Serenity has been falling..

Yeah, this slight drop wiped out 90% of my lifetime profits. I must be being punished for not visiting Fireflyfans.net in several weeks.

RICKKER

Wednesday, November 24, 2004 5:10 AM

after a painfull stunned silence on reading this news I continued to read responces and still saddened but hopefull. I hate patience but patient I will strive to be. I know no matter what, the movie will be worth the wait. This gives me time to bring others into the fold. I will have to change some vacation time around. Maybe we can get that deal Joss has going with Dark Horse comics for the Serenity comic. This gives our BDH more chances to goto conventions to promote the BDM. Hint for anyone who has any connections with Creation entertainment. I'm going to the con in Seattle may 13-15 with the gold seating and would love to see the lovely ladies of Firefly/Serenity.
Well keep flying a little while longer

SGTGUMP

Wednesday, November 24, 2004 5:15 AM

Quote:
See?! This is why I never vote for candidates from the Demographic Party!

ZOID IS AWESOME!

EVILMASTERMIND

Wednesday, November 24, 2004 5:24 AM

GRRRR! ARGH!

"Okay I'm lost, I'm angry, and I'm armed!"

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