Are you going to boycott "SOLO: A STAR WARS STORY"
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I go to YOUTUBE everyday, the STAR WARS fandom is calling for a boycott of "SOLO: A STAR WARS Story" because "STAR WARS: Episode 8" sucked wind. The entertainment sites are writing that "SOLO" will have a strong opening, it may, but will tank the following weekend? If it does tank will the suits at Disney demand the suits at Lucas Film make changes...like firing Kathleen Kennedy? I remember when Disney bought the distribution rights and many said YES! Many thought Disney would do better than FOX after episodes 1,2 and 3, now the fandom is REALLY pissed at Disney and Lucas Film. So ya going to boycott? I am, but sometimes I can really be an asshole. 
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Quote:Why? What if it's the best SW film of the last decade?
Originally posted by whozit:
I go to YOUTUBE everyday, the STAR WARS fandom is calling for a boycott of "SOLO: A STAR WARS Story" because "STAR WARS: Episode 9" sucked wind. The entertainment sites are writing that "SOLO" will have a strong opening, it may, but will tank the following weekend? If it does tank will the suits at Disney demand the suits at Lucas Film make changes...like firing Kathleen Kennedy? I remember when Disney bought the distribution rights and many said YES! Many thought Disney would do better than FOX after episodes 1,2 and 3, now the fandom is REALLY pissed at Disney and Lucas Film. So ya going to boycott? I am, but sometimes I can be an really asshole.
I thought Rogue One is the best of the period, but Ron Howard could be better.
I practically never allow somebody else decide films for me, and I will not pass up Solo.
Not to mention "entertainment sites" have the least clue of all.
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First of all, "Episode 9" hasn't happened yet. It won't be released until 19 Dec 2019. If you just mis-typed and meant Ep 8, there is still a wide range of opinion on that one. The "Star Wars fandom" on youtube is likely just a small, if vocal, part of the whole fandom. I've seen every film so far, some many times, others only once. In my opinion, SW peaked with The Empire Strikes Back, and has been going downhill since. One small uptick with Rogue One, but I felt both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi were both too much of the same type of story being rehashed.
I may or may not see Solo in the theater, but if I do it might wait until it's at the discount house where I can see it for .50 on a Tuesday or a Saturday before noon. And the only reason I'd bother is because of Donald Glover...that and Ron Howard is a talented director. If I don't see it, it won't be because of someone else's call for a boycott. I can decide for myself what to watch and what to avoid.
Besides, those guys are probably the same type that called for a boycott of Black Panther, and you can see how effective that was. They're probably also the ones who created the furor around GamerGate, and the Sad/Rabid Puppy protests around the Hugo Awards. I'd never take their opinion of anything.
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Originally posted by ecgordon:
First of all, "Episode 9" hasn't happened yet. It won't be released until 19 Dec 2019. If you just mis-typed and meant Ep 8, there is still a wide range of opinion on that one. The "Star Wars fandom" on youtube is likely just a small, if vocal, part of the whole fandom. I've seen every film so far, some many times, others only once. In my opinion, SW peaked with The Empire Strikes Back, and has been going downhill since. One small uptick with Rogue One, but I felt both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi were both too much of the same type of story being rehashed.
I may or may not see Solo in the theater, but if I do it might wait until it's at the discount house where I can see it for .50 on a Tuesday or a Saturday before noon. And the only reason I'd bother is because of Donald Glover...that and Ron Howard is a talented director. If I don't see it, it won't be because of someone else's call for a boycott. I can decide for myself what to watch and what to avoid.
Besides, those guys are probably the same type that called for a boycott of Black Panther, and you can see how effective that was. They're probably also the ones who created the furor around GamerGate, and the Sad/Rabid Puppy protests around the Hugo Awards. I'd never take their opinion of anything.
You're correct, I meant episode 8, sorry. I'm going to correct that. I also agree that "The Empire Strikes Back" won't be topped. J.J. (King of the rehash reboot) Abrams will likely make episode 9 a rehash reboot of episode 5, he made episode 7 a rip off of episode 4. Jar Jar Abrams will likely make the big pay off for 9 to that we'll learn who are Rey's parent's. It would be great if C3PO says, "Rey, I am your father..OH MY!"
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My raison d'être for going to 99% of the movies I go to is if I'm bored at the time.
If I have too much going on I catch it on de Netflix.
I never was invested in what would happen if FF came back, just that I wanted more.
I doubt anyone would care what a youtube group wants for a movie direction either. They know if they cave once they'll never hear the end of it on others.
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Quote:I forgot to mention: The SJW boycott of last year's best film, Wind River (IMHO), really ticked me off, and repels me from any talk of boycott. Unless somebody boycotts SJW - then I'm in.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Why? What if it's the best SW film of the last decade?
Originally posted by whozit:
I go to YOUTUBE everyday, the STAR WARS fandom is calling for a boycott of "SOLO: A STAR WARS Story" because "STAR WARS: Episode 9" sucked wind. The entertainment sites are writing that "SOLO" will have a strong opening, it may, but will tank the following weekend? If it does tank will the suits at Disney demand the suits at Lucas Film make changes...like firing Kathleen Kennedy? I remember when Disney bought the distribution rights and many said YES! Many thought Disney would do better than FOX after episodes 1,2 and 3, now the fandom is REALLY pissed at Disney and Lucas Film. So ya going to boycott? I am, but sometimes I can be an really asshole.
I thought Rogue One is the best of the period, but Ron Howard could be better.
I practically never allow somebody else decide films for me, and I will not pass up Solo.
Not to mention "entertainment sites" have the least clue of all.
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Yanno, SJW's can be annoying, for instance... it isn't very hard to be discreet while breastfeeding. It is a natural thing and I'm happy you are doing it, but I don't want it in my face while I'm going about my day.
But, they also have made several good points and movements that I'm sure all reasonable people support, like not shaming people who have handicapped stickers even if they look to be walking fine or woman that have veterans plates or fat shaming anybody. They are all about disability awareness, and I am sure that we could all stand to learn a thing or two, even if their motivations tend to be about getting attention or sympathy. Say "whatever" and move on.
But I think the thing that you people don't like is the fight for equality. You don't want males to lose the special privilege of domination you have historically enjoyed, and in many, many ways still do. Your penisis and egos are threatened by having to treat women (and likely people of color) like PEOPLE instead of chattel. If that wasn't true, the military could be safely integrated without rape epidemics. If that wasn't true, then woman wouldn't have to file class action lawsuits just to be promoted at the same rate as men, or paid the same for the same job.
So it would be nice if you didn't say SJW and said Equalists instead, at least that would be an honest evaluation.
You HATE to treat people equally. If you don't have a ten foot head start in the race, you sit at the sidelines and heckle and pout like scared little kids.
That's why every time I see someone whining about SJW's I automatically think "micropenis". SCARED LITTLE KIDS.
"Some GIRL took over my fictional character in a TV show and now I have cooties"
"Some GIRL saved the world when that's a man job"
Do you even REMOTELY understand how childish that sounds???? It's WORSE than any SJW post EVER.
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Thanks, Wishy, you said most of what I would have. Anyone who uses the term SJW, or the full words social justice warrior, as an epithet, has already lost the debate. If you are not for social justice, then I have to assume you are for social injustice?
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Quote:I had never heard the term Equalists and would not intuitively inferred it meant retards of the Snowflake movement.
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Yanno, SJW's can be annoying, for instance... it isn't very hard to be discreet while breastfeeding. It is a natural thing and I'm happy you are doing it, but I don't want it in my face while I'm going about my day.
But, they also have made several good points and movements that I'm sure all reasonable people support, like not shaming people who have handicapped stickers even if they look to be walking fine or woman that have veterans plates or fat shaming anybody. They are all about disability awareness, and I am sure that we could all stand to learn a thing or two, even if their motivations tend to be about getting attention or sympathy. Say "whatever" and move on.
But I think the thing that you people don't like is the fight for equality. You don't want males to lose the special privilege of domination you have historically enjoyed, and in many, many ways still do. Your penisis and egos are threatened by having to treat women (and likely people of color) like PEOPLE instead of chattel. If that wasn't true, the military could be safely integrated without rape epidemics. If that wasn't true, then woman wouldn't have to file class action lawsuits just to be promoted at the same rate as men, or paid the same for the same job.
So it would be nice if you didn't say SJW and said Equalists instead, at least that would be an honest evaluation.
You HATE to treat people equally. If you don't have a ten foot head start in the race, you sit at the sidelines and heckle and pout like scared little kids.
That's why every time I see someone whining about SJW's I automatically think "micropenis". SCARED LITTLE KIDS.
"Some GIRL took over my fictional character in a TV show and now I have cooties"
"Some GIRL saved the world when that's a man job"
Do you even REMOTELY understand how childish that sounds???? It's WORSE than any SJW post EVER.
How is the denial of beauty, quality, excellence of a script, direction, multiple portrayals, and editing in any way relating to the goals of anyone claiming Equalist status? Just because after all post-production was completed, one person who assisted in distribution was somebody who later became disliked.
If you think of a film production as a person, then after they become adult and cure worldwide Cancer, somebody then finds out that another person who later helps distribute the cure and is even later found to be objectionable, so your feverish lemmings denigrate and heap scorn upon the Cancer Curer and her parents, banishing and exiling them.
How does this, diametrically opposed to anything resembling Equality or Fairness, qualify as "Equalist" in any way?
P.s. you seem to have a one-track mind lately. Off your meds?
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Quote:You disappoint me.
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Thanks, Wishy, you said most of what I would have. Anyone who uses the term SJW, or the full words social justice warrior, as an epithet, has already lost the debate. If you are not for social justice, then I have to assume you are for social injustice?
Supporting unfairness and unfetterred inequality does not become you.
Pretending Social Justice has any relation to Justice, or ever did, is purely disingenuous.
Your proclamation that recognizing truth and Fact is "losing the debate" is beneath you.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Supporting unfairness and unfetterred inequality does not become you.
Really? Sitting around and whining about what online groups do "became" what you and Jack and Rappy are about a long time ago.
Just what is it you see as "unfettered inequality"? Specifically.
Not relating to whatever happened to Wind River, I could care less. It's just a movie.
What about SJW's do you see as promoting "inequality"???
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Soooo.... anyway....
I'm not going to be boycotting SOLO because I think it's generally silly to boycott a movie in most cases.
I get that some folks feel that "new" Star Wars is not "their" Star Wars, and that's just fine. No need to make a thing of it; just don't see it, and shut up.
Personally, I consider the Original Trilogy "my" Star Wars, so I imagine I may well share some features with the folks calling for the boycott, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying (at least somewhat) later movies.
Heck, I LIKE the Prequel Trilogy! Sure, it's not as good as the Original Trilogy, but it's still Star Wars and it's still lots of fun. Jar Jar Binks annoyed me, but I'm grown-up enough to understand that Jar Jar (and some of the other ridiculousness) isn't supposed to be there for me. That's for the kiddies. I remember seeing Episode I on opening day and you could feel the shoulders of all the adults tense whenever Jar Jar was onscreen. But the children laughed out loud. The children, and my friend, Dan... whatever that says about Dan. Different strokes, right?
I'm not a fan of the Sequel Trilogy but a lot of that has to do with J.J. Abrams. I love is TV work, but his movies generally leave me cold, and Episode 7 was no different. Episode 8 feels like it was Rian Johnson saying he didn't like Episode 7 either and doing everything he could to undercut it. That left me with really, really mixed feelings about the movie - but those mixed feelings didn't prevent me from seeing it three time (and, ultimately, enjoying some parts of it more each time, even if I think the movie as a whole is a bit of a miss).
Rogue One stands on it's own (so far) as an amazing piece of work post-OT, simultaneously both the best Star Wars movie in decades and the worst Star Wars movie ever to be made (the latter in that it's actually, empirically, not a good movie at all if you haven't seen the other movies: it's SO dependent on A New Hope that it cannot stand on it's own as a separate work).
And, regardless of what I think of recent Star Wars movies, as a Firefly fan, how can I possibly NOT give this movie a chance? Looks to me a lot like Han, Lando and the rest aim to misbehave.
So, yeah, I'll be there for SOLO opening night, and likely later in the weekend, too.
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Originally posted by GWEK:
And, regardless of what I think of recent Star Wars movies, as a Firefly fan, how can I possibly NOT give this movie a chance? Looks to me a lot like Han, Lando and the rest aim to misbehave.
That's the only part that has my attention. Firefly was basically Han Solo: The Early Years. I want to like it, but I'm going to wait and see what the second or third groups of reviewers say, yanno, the ones NOT paid for it.
And it's already going to be a letdown for me, just because Ford was so good at the part, I don't see how anyone could really sell it for me.
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My level of respect for Ford has dropped through the years, so, much as I love his Solo, I'm open to giving someone else a shot.
Having said that, I do expect Solo to be the weakest link in SOLO - which wouldn't really be a surprise.
It's not uncommon in sci fi or action movies for the main character to be among the weakest. Luke Skywalker in the Original Trilogy, Anakin Skywalker in the Prequels, Rey and Finn in the Sequels, even Jyn Erso in ROGUE ONE... these are among the most bland characters in their respective movies. The "right hand man," however, is often the most entertaining, because they get to be close to the heart of the story without having to carry the narrative weight of it on their shoulders. Among my friends, I call it the Han Solo effect - and live in fear of a Black Widow movie (Black Widow being the Han Solo of the MCU).
So, I think Han Solo himself will fall to The Han Solo effect, and that the best parts of SOLO may center around Lando, Chewie, or even Beckett and Qi'ra.
I'll let you know a few Fridays from now. :)
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It has been a while since I was available for a midnight showing of a Star Wars opening. And now they show at 7pm instead of midnight.
But I might be available on midnight the 23rd if there is a showing then.
I recall the midnight opening of Episode II, in the largest cinema theater in the State (they were required to upgrade their sound system before being allowed to show it), only one balcony. Absolutely packed, and most were in costume. The place went wild with Yoda's lightsaber duel.
And I did appreciate the casting of Urban and Pegg in Trek reboot.
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I didn't hear of any Boycott against Wind River. Was it supposed to be a controversial film? What reason was given for a called Boycott?, and What group made the call to Boycott Wind River? Any articles on the matter?
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I forgot to mention: The SJW boycott of last year's best film, Wind River (IMHO), really ticked me off, and repels me from any talk of boycott. Unless somebody boycotts SJW - then I'm in.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Why? What if it's the best SW film of the last decade?
Originally posted by whozit:
I go to YOUTUBE everyday, the STAR WARS fandom is calling for a boycott of "SOLO: A STAR WARS Story" because "STAR WARS: Episode 9" sucked wind. The entertainment sites are writing that "SOLO" will have a strong opening, it may, but will tank the following weekend? If it does tank will the suits at Disney demand the suits at Lucas Film make changes...like firing Kathleen Kennedy? I remember when Disney bought the distribution rights and many said YES! Many thought Disney would do better than FOX after episodes 1,2 and 3, now the fandom is REALLY pissed at Disney and Lucas Film. So ya going to boycott? I am, but sometimes I can be an really asshole.
I thought Rogue One is the best of the period, but Ron Howard could be better.
I practically never allow somebody else decide films for me, and I will not pass up Solo.
Not to mention "entertainment sites" have the least clue of all.
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Ahhhh, the Boycott! The rabid Star Wars fans calling to boycott Solo and, as I understand it, affect the box office expectations of $170M domestic take for the 4-day weekend. The idea being that if it's a flop at the box office, that somehow Disney will fire Kathleen Kennedy (one of the two-headed monster behind the somewhat less than stellar treatment of our hero Luke Skywalker. Rian Johnson being the other).
I get it. Death by association. Horrible box office, that would be followed by a Hollywood beheading. Of course this after Kennedy is called before the Disney-Jedi Council for the ceremonial guillotine party. Don't think it would work, but I get the misguided logic behind the thought. I get that fans are angry that their hero was ceremoniously kick in the balls for the sake of introducing new characters. At least that's what Kennedy, Disney and Johnson would have you believe. After watching Episode 8, The Last Jedi, I left the theater somewhat in a daze. What the fuck did I just see?
Luke Skywalker, my hero, the man who brought back his father from the brink of doom, gloom and despair (otherwise known as the Dark Side) and redeemed him. He brought his father "Vader" back to the light. The biblical meaning of Luke or Lucas means "bringer of light." That this man, who, as a teenaged boy, risked his life to save his father, would then contemplate "cold-blooded murder" - no matter what he saw in his vision - is beyond ludicrous. Darth Vader was an iconic baddie and a major protagonist of evil in the history of film. Kylo Ren, as episode 8 would show, desperately wanted to be like him. Fat Chance! As MC Hammer would say, "You can't touch this!"
Granted, there were some truly inspired moments in TLJ, but too few and far in between. My favorite was R2-D2 replaying the Leia Hologram message to Obi Wan, when Luke entered the cockpit of the Falcon. It is THE iconic beginning of the "hero's journey" in THE iconic movie that started it all. A powerful movie image of a true Hollywood hero in the grand scope of sci-fi fantasy epics.
"Help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope." Classic.
But then missing was Luke mourning the loss of his friend Han. The story of TLJ was uneven, inspired in some scenes and flat out dumb in other scenes. Luke drinking green milk from that "sea cow" was uninspired and fell flat on it's face.
So, to get back to the boycott. You have this uneven story and rather misguided treatment of an iconic hero, throw in some dead end scenes to a gambler's planet, and viola.....instant hate from die-hard fans of the franchise. So, how do "we" get back at these brainless meat popsicles? Many have said that Johnson and Kennedy created a giant "fuck you" to Abrams and the fans, so they thought..."Why not boycott?" They thought, "let's give that 'fuck you' right back to them."
Now, I'm of the mind - much like you EC - I like Ron Howard as a filmmaker. I'm an Star Wars O.G. from 1977 (when the phrase "blockbuster" meant something). In that summer, I waited on a line outside the movie theater to purchase my ticket. Then I waited on a ticket holders line to get into the theater (man I feel old, but that was a special time back then). What a rush! I want to see the origin story of one of the heroes of Star Wars. I especially want to see Glover as Lando, the Falcon and the chemistry between Han and Chewie. Doesn't hurt that the Mother of Dragons will be on hand as well. Harrelson, Newton, etc. Not a bad cast.
I really thought that Johnson was the right call to helm The Last Jedi. I was impressed with Looper (an inventive sci-fi thriller with a good story). But even the great Christopher Nolan could have a "bad day" at the movies. No one is immune to the "box office bomb." But my question is: What does Solo have to do with the failure of TLJ? Would I like to see Kennedy get the "boot" or, at
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Quote:After the film was completed, it was shown, I think at Sundance. Distributors lobbied to help get it theaters. One of them was a guy named Weinstein.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I didn't hear of any Boycott against Wind River. Was it supposed to be a controversial film? What reason was given for a called Boycott?, and What group made the call to Boycott Wind River? Any articles on the matter?
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I forgot to mention: The SJW boycott of last year's best film, Wind River (IMHO), really ticked me off, and repels me from any talk of boycott. Unless somebody boycotts SJW - then I'm in.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Why? What if it's the best SW film of the last decade?
Originally posted by whozit:
I go to YOUTUBE everyday, the STAR WARS fandom is calling for a boycott of "SOLO: A STAR WARS Story" because "STAR WARS: Episode 9" sucked wind. The entertainment sites are writing that "SOLO" will have a strong opening, it may, but will tank the following weekend? If it does tank will the suits at Disney demand the suits at Lucas Film make changes...like firing Kathleen Kennedy? I remember when Disney bought the distribution rights and many said YES! Many thought Disney would do better than FOX after episodes 1,2 and 3, now the fandom is REALLY pissed at Disney and Lucas Film. So ya going to boycott? I am, but sometimes I can be an really asshole.
I thought Rogue One is the best of the period, but Ron Howard could be better.
I practically never allow somebody else decide films for me, and I will not pass up Solo.
Not to mention "entertainment sites" have the least clue of all.
Come Awards season, it seemed almost universally lamented that WR would not be nominated because of ME TOO.
I had hoped that sense and integrity would prevail, but that is a different crowd.
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"Equalists"?
I think the word you're struggling for is Egalitarian, Princess.
Today's Feminism is not about Egalitarianism. It's about subjugation. Read a book.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's about subjugation. Read a book.
That's hilarious coming from someone who probably hasn't picked up anything in print since Jr High and thinks Youtube is high philosophy.
And even more ridiculous from an idiot who thinks women didn't have it all that bad for the whole of humanity and that there isn't a pay gap based on your extremely limited life experience on the subject.
Truly hope your niece grows up and calls you out on your stupidity. Maybe it'll make sense when it's personal. Until then, there's nothing can be done for you.
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It looks like nothing can be done for the movie either...
https://slate.com/culture/2018/05/solo-the-new-star-wars-movie-reviewe
d.html
...Howard and the Kasdans chew up screen time explaining incidental details and laying the groundwork for future movies.
It’s the last bit that really grates and takes Solo from forgettably modest to mildly infuriating. It’s galling for a movie that costs so much and takes up so much cultural space to try to do so little, but it’s a familiar disappointment, like the dull ache of a tooth that only bothers you when you bite down on it wrong. But to get to the end of Solo and learn you’ve been watching what amounts to a two-hour TV pilot, well, that goes down rough. The Last Jedi took chances, and Rian Johnson’s willingness to interrogate the franchise’s history rather than just add onto it was a gamble that paid off handsomely. Solo’s playing for pennies, and even when it finally wins a hand, you feel cheated.
If they aren't adding anything to the story, Fuck it. I'm not paying for a rehash. 
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Quote:The Last Jedi paid off handsomely? This is not a reviewer I can follow.
Originally posted by Wishimay:
It looks like nothing can be done for the movie either...
https://slate.com/culture/2018/05/solo-the-new-star-wars-movie-reviewe
d.html
...Howard and the Kasdans chew up screen time explaining incidental details and laying the groundwork for future movies.
It’s the last bit that really grates and takes Solo from forgettably modest to mildly infuriating. It’s galling for a movie that costs so much and takes up so much cultural space to try to do so little, but it’s a familiar disappointment, like the dull ache of a tooth that only bothers you when you bite down on it wrong. But to get to the end of Solo and learn you’ve been watching what amounts to a two-hour TV pilot, well, that goes down rough. The Last Jedi took chances, and Rian Johnson’s willingness to interrogate the franchise’s history rather than just add onto it was a gamble that paid off handsomely. Solo’s playing for pennies, and even when it finally wins a hand, you feel cheated.
If they aren't adding anything to the story, Fuck it. I'm not paying for a rehash.
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's about subjugation. Read a book.
That's hilarious coming from someone who probably hasn't picked up anything in print since Jr High and thinks Youtube is high philosophy.
And even more ridiculous from an idiot who thinks women didn't have it all that bad for the whole of humanity and that there isn't a pay gap based on your extremely limited life experience on the subject.
Truly hope your niece grows up and calls you out on your stupidity. Maybe it'll make sense when it's personal. Until then, there's nothing can be done for you.
As always Princess, you're always good for a laugh.
Keep on mouth breathing, and thanks for the lolz
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Someone has been watching 6ix, JSF, and Rappy.
https://slate.com/technology/2018/05/the-intellectual-dark-web-and-the
-alt-right-dont-blame-the-social-justice-internet-for-these-bigots.html
It's a truly perfect article. She doesn't come out and say it, but it's entirely about cultural narcissism. Just like the people at a wedding couldn't fathom that calling the Asian girl exotic wasn't a compliment, and that it fetishizes and segregates her humanity when it's completely unnecessary (why not say she looks especially lovely??) , 6ix, JSF, and Rappy cannot fathom that minorities speaking about issues of importance to them is not a subtle dig at white male power. That anyone who isn't white male is allowed a say MUST mean it's about THEM, because they perceive themselves as the magnanimous creators of American culture that is permanent and perfect FOR THEM.
It's the "hyper reactive you" problem. Sometimes when I use the word "you" in context about any group of people that my husband feels he belongs (even if it was a group from 20 years ago like, say band members or college kids) he will take offence, even if what I'm talking about in no way relates to him NOW.
For instance, the theoretical question where I am speaking broadly "How can ...you... do that?" he picks up on the "you" part and not that it wasn't intended for him, but pointed to the group of people I am referring to.
The alt-right come into contact with "social justice" articles and immediately think they are pointed at THEM, because the "you" is the implied readers, not white male people specifically. They can't HELP but take it personally because they are too thick to understand what the terms "general public" or "for whom it concerns" entails.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
quote]The Last Jedi paid off handsomely? This is not a reviewer I can follow.
That WOULD be the only thing you got from that article. Because YOU disagree with what is said about another movie, they must not have any other points about this one.
Some people really liked TLJ. Some people juggle geese. *Shrug.
The POINT is that they only kept to a narrow script for this one. You probably should go see it, you like narrow-mindedness.
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lol. Everyone is an alt-right Nazi according to self-hating troglodytes like Wishy.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I don't know but,
I found this....in Indiewire - Aug. 6, 2017
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/08/box-office-wind-river-step-columbus-s
pecialty-limited-release-1201863937/
Opening
Wind River (Weinstein) – Metacritic: 73; Festivals include: Sundance, Cannes, Seattle 2017
Quote:
$164,187 in 4 theaters; PTA (per screen average): $41,042
Taylor Sheridan’s well-received rural thriller debuted with the strongest limited debut since late June’s “The Big Sick” and “The Beguiled.” Since then an array of festival successes with similarly upbeat reviews have opened. It’s The Weinstein Company’s best limited opening since “Carol” in late 2015 (better than “Lion,” which went on with an Oscar boost to over $50 million), so this is a return to form for the once-dominant player in the specialized world. Saturday increased a healthy 23 per cent from Friday, suggesting good initial audience response.Quote:
And there's this..............Quote:
The Weinstein Company acquired the distribution rights on May 13, 2016, during the 2016 Cannes Film Festival.[7] In January 2017, it was announced that the company would no longer distribute the film,[8] but the distribution deal was later finalized.[9] It had a limited release on August 4, 2017, before going wide on August 18.[10]
In October 2017, it was announced the film would be distributed on home media and streaming services through Lionsgate with the Weinstein Company name and logo omitted from the credits, trailer and packaging, because of the Harvey Weinstein sexual abuse scandal. As a result, The Weinstein Company finally stopped distributing the film.[11] All money Weinstein would have made was donated to charity.Quote:
Critical Response
It got mainly positive reviews: Rotten Tomatoes - the film has an approval rating of 87% based on 213 reviews, with an average rating of 7.8/10.
"Wind River lures viewers into a character-driven mystery with smart writing, a strong cast, and a skillfully rendered setting that delivers the bitter chill promised by its title."
Definitely not negative. And......Quote:
Writing for Rolling Stone, Peter Travers praised Sheridan's direction and the cast, giving the film 3/4 stars. He wrote: "[It's] the set-up for what could have been a conventional whodunit – thankfully, Sheridan is allergic to all things conventional. To him, the action is character, and he's lucked out by finding actors who not only understand his approach but thrive on it."[24] David Ehrlich of IndieWire gave the film a B, writing: "[If] Wind River shares Sheridan’s self-evident weaknesses, it also makes the most of his signature strengths. [...] Wind River may not blow you away, but this bitter, visceral, and almost paradoxically intense thriller knows what it takes to survive."Quote:
Perhaps you're talking about this.....Quote:
In October 2017, it was announced the film would be distributed on home media and streaming services through Lionsgate with the Weinstein Company name and logo omitted from the credits, trailer and packaging, because of the Harvey Weinstein sexual abuse scandal. As a result, The Weinstein Company finally stopped distributing the film.[11] All money Weinstein would have made was donated to charity.Quote:
Although it did win a directing award at Cannes.
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/05/cannes-wind-river-un-certain-regard-s
creenplay-award-1201833255/
Still though, the cast was so good it was considered for an Oscar nom.
https://hiddenremote.com/2017/08/31/wind-river-a-cast-in-consideration
-for-multiple-oscars/
But, I get it...Hollywood and politics, Am I right!?
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I didn't hear of any Boycott against Wind River. Was it supposed to be a controversial film? What reason was given for a called Boycott?, and What group made the call to Boycott Wind River? Any articles on the matter?
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Originally posted by GWEK:
Soooo.... anyway....
I'm not going to be boycotting SOLO because I think it's generally silly to boycott a movie in most cases.
I get that some folks feel that "new" Star Wars is not "their" Star Wars, and that's just fine. No need to make a thing of it; just don't see it, and shut up.
Personally, I consider the Original Trilogy "my" Star Wars, so I imagine I may well share some features with the folks calling for the boycott, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying (at least somewhat) later movies.
Heck, I LIKE the Prequel Trilogy! Sure, it's not as good as the Original Trilogy, but it's still Star Wars and it's still lots of fun. Jar Jar Binks annoyed me, but I'm grown-up enough to understand that Jar Jar (and some of the other ridiculousness) isn't supposed to be there for me. That's for the kiddies. I remember seeing Episode I on opening day and you could feel the shoulders of all the adults tense whenever Jar Jar was onscreen. But the children laughed out loud. The children, and my friend, Dan... whatever that says about Dan. Different strokes, right?
I'm not a fan of the Sequel Trilogy but a lot of that has to do with J.J. Abrams. I love is TV work, but his movies generally leave me cold, and Episode 7 was no different. Episode 8 feels like it was Rian Johnson saying he didn't like Episode 7 either and doing everything he could to undercut it. That left me with really, really mixed feelings about the movie - but those mixed feelings didn't prevent me from seeing it three time (and, ultimately, enjoying some parts of it more each time, even if I think the movie as a whole is a bit of a miss).
Rogue One stands on it's own (so far) as an amazing piece of work post-OT, simultaneously both the best Star Wars movie in decades and the worst Star Wars movie ever to be made (the latter in that it's actually, empirically, not a good movie at all if you haven't seen the other movies: it's SO dependent on A New Hope that it cannot stand on it's own as a separate work).
And, regardless of what I think of recent Star Wars movies, as a Firefly fan, how can I possibly NOT give this movie a chance? Looks to me a lot like Han, Lando and the rest aim to misbehave.
So, yeah, I'll be there for SOLO opening night, and likely later in the weekend, too.
Hi Gwek! "pizmobeach" here - so nice to see you posting and as always, your thoughtful, mature review of issues. (Same to you Wish). How's the writing going?
If there's a Youtube boycott proposed (hard to type that without smiling) that alone would make me want to go. But I don't need that - I'll see it out of basic curiosity. I love Science Fiction, and the art and craft of filmmaking and have witnessed the Star Wars series from it's first frame. So why not? I'm long passed the drays of "they owe me" when I go to a movie, in fact I don't think I ever felt that way. It's a beast to get it right, and when you do, sometimes it's just a lucky thing.
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I'm not boycotting, but I don't plan to see it either. The new Star Wars is just so disappointing. I mean they threw out the entire expanded universe to replace it with poorly written dribble. They don't even seem to care if the dribble connects together. I mean The Force Awakens clearly was not the movie The Last Jedi wanted it to be. So, the director just threw out stuff left and right that he didn't like. Can we hire adults to make these movies please?
They had all the potential in the world and they've squandered it. I think I'm just going to have to say I'm not a Star Wars fan anymore and move on. There's so much good entertainment these days that there's no point in wasting my time on bad movies.
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Originally posted by Zeek:
I'm not boycotting, but I don't plan to see it either. The new Star Wars is just so disappointing. I mean they threw out the entire expanded universe to replace it with poorly written dribble. They don't even seem to care if the dribble connects together. I mean The Force Awakens clearly was not the movie The Last Jedi wanted it to be. So, the director just threw out stuff left and right that he didn't like. Can we hire adults to make these movies please?
They had all the potential in the world and they've squandered it. I think I'm just going to have to say I'm not a Star Wars fan anymore and move on. There's so much good entertainment these days that there's no point in wasting my time on bad movies.
As long as you don't have Superhero movies in mind, this is a post that I can stand behind.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:If not for Rogue One, I could agree with you.
Originally posted by Zeek:
I'm not boycotting, but I don't plan to see it either. The new Star Wars is just so disappointing. I mean they threw out the entire expanded universe to replace it with poorly written dribble. They don't even seem to care if the dribble connects together. I mean The Force Awakens clearly was not the movie The Last Jedi wanted it to be. So, the director just threw out stuff left and right that he didn't like. Can we hire adults to make these movies please?
They had all the potential in the world and they've squandered it. I think I'm just going to have to say I'm not a Star Wars fan anymore and move on. There's so much good entertainment these days that there's no point in wasting my time on bad movies.
But I strongly disagree regarding R1. One of the best films of the past decade.
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I don't know but,
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
After the film was completed, it was shown, I think at Sundance. Distributors lobbied to help get it theaters. One of them was a guy named Weinstein.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
I didn't hear of any Boycott against Wind River. Was it supposed to be a controversial film? What reason was given for a called Boycott?, and What group made the call to Boycott Wind River? Any articles on the matter?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
I forgot to mention: The SJW boycott of last year's best film, Wind River (IMHO), really ticked me off, and repels me from any talk of boycott. Unless somebody boycotts SJW - then I'm in.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Why? What if it's the best SW film of the last decade?
Originally posted by whozit:
I go to YOUTUBE everyday, the STAR WARS fandom is calling for a boycott of "SOLO: A STAR WARS Story" because "STAR WARS: Episode 9" sucked wind. The entertainment sites are writing that "SOLO" will have a strong opening, it may, but will tank the following weekend? If it does tank will the suits at Disney demand the suits at Lucas Film make changes...like firing Kathleen Kennedy? I remember when Disney bought the distribution rights and many said YES! Many thought Disney would do better than FOX after episodes 1,2 and 3, now the fandom is REALLY pissed at Disney and Lucas Film. So ya going to boycott? I am, but sometimes I can be an really asshole.
I thought Rogue One is the best of the period, but Ron Howard could be better.
I practically never allow somebody else decide films for me, and I will not pass up Solo.
Not to mention "entertainment sites" have the least clue of all.
SGG
Come Awards season, it seemed almost universally lamented that WR would not be nominated because of ME TOO.
I had hoped that sense and integrity would prevail, but that is a different crowd.
I found this....in Indiewire - Aug. 6, 2017
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/08/box-office-wind-river-step-columbus-s
pecialty-limited-release-1201863937/
Opening
Wind River (Weinstein) – Metacritic: 73; Festivals include: Sundance, Cannes, Seattle 2017Quote:
And there's this..............
$164,187 in 4 theaters; PTA (per screen average): $41,042
Taylor Sheridan’s well-received rural thriller debuted with the strongest limited debut since late June’s “The Big Sick” and “The Beguiled.” Since then an array of festival successes with similarly upbeat reviews have opened. It’s The Weinstein Company’s best limited opening since “Carol” in late 2015 (better than “Lion,” which went on with an Oscar boost to over $50 million), so this is a return to form for the once-dominant player in the specialized world. Saturday increased a healthy 23 per cent from Friday, suggesting good initial audience response.Quote:
Critical Response
The Weinstein Company acquired the distribution rights on May 13, 2016, during the 2016 Cannes Film Festival.[7] In January 2017, it was announced that the company would no longer distribute the film,[8] but the distribution deal was later finalized.[9] It had a limited release on August 4, 2017, before going wide on August 18.[10]
In October 2017, it was announced the film would be distributed on home media and streaming services through Lionsgate with the Weinstein Company name and logo omitted from the credits, trailer and packaging, because of the Harvey Weinstein sexual abuse scandal. As a result, The Weinstein Company finally stopped distributing the film.[11] All money Weinstein would have made was donated to charity.
It got mainly positive reviews: Rotten Tomatoes - the film has an approval rating of 87% based on 213 reviews, with an average rating of 7.8/10.
"Wind River lures viewers into a character-driven mystery with smart writing, a strong cast, and a skillfu
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SPOILER ALERT: Plenty of sarcasm in the video. I know that's lost on some people here, so wanted to point that out ahead of time.
There are absolutely no spoilers to the movie in this video.
These guys probably live right down the street from you, JSF.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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What did Kathleen Kennedy say to Ron Howard when he took over as director?
"You're all clear kid. Now let's blow this thing and go home."
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I'm goinfg to watch it.
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Well... I'm not boycotting it or anything. The last Star Wars movie I ever saw was Episode II. I gave up on star wars way before it was cool.
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I don't know what happened. It was normal when I responded, then once I submitted it went all crazy, like you........wwaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy over to the right.
Ha, Ha!
SGG
Why? What if it's the best SW film of the last decade?
I thought Rogue One is the best of the period, but Ron Howard could be better.
I practically never allow somebody else decide films for me, and I will not pass up Solo.
Not to mention "entertainment sites" have the least clue of all.
I forgot to mention: The SJW boycott of last year's best film, Wind River (IMHO), really ticked me off, and repels me from any talk of boycott. Unless somebody boycotts SJW - then I'm in.
After the film was completed, it was shown, I think at Sundance. Distributors lobbied to help get it theaters. One of them was a guy named Weinstein.
Come Awards season, it seemed almost universally lamented that WR would not be nominated because of ME TOO.
I had hoped that sense and integrity would prevail, but that is a different crowd.
Whatever you posted, I had to quote just to be able
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Ha, ha, ha..........good one.
Every once in a while, you come up with a good one.
But, don't cocky kid!
Ha! I kill me!
SGG
P.S. This was fun!
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What did Kathleen Kennedy say to Ron Howard when he took over as director?
"You're all clear kid. Now let's blow this thing and go home."
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I'm with you Zeek, mostly.
I've always said that writing a good story is more than half the battle. The writing is key, but then you have to have a good director to translate that onto the screen. JJ bringing back the OGs for one last hurrah was, as I see it, paying homage but also, bringing back the die-hard fans. He knew this going in, so I kind of expected a walk down memory lane. Some hated it, while others basked in the glow of hero-worship.
But I agree that TFA was poorly written. My pet peeve was how did Rey know of the Jedi Mind Trick, much less how to use it. The theory on the internet is that Luke's light sabre, infused with the Force, transmitted that infusion to Rey when she touched it. Hence The Awakening. It sensed that she was Force sensitive and passed on it's "knowledge" from it's experience with Anakin and then Luke. Interesting, but unless JJ covers that in Episode 9, it would completely unravel the entire story arc for the new SW generation.
A point that Kennedy made clear she was pursuing. Understandable in light of the billions Disney spent to continue the saga of a time in a galaxy far, far away.
Then Kennedy anoints the next "brilliant mind" to helm the good ship Star Wars, only one small problem, neither he nor she haven't a clue how to proceed. I argue that there is a way to pay homage to the original joy and delight that started in 1977, and pass the torch onto the next generation of Star Wars nerds. For those who love sci-fi, adventure and the wonder of a well-written fable.
But unlike Kevin Feige, of the MCU, Kennedy does not have the wherewithall to guide this beloved franchise onto the next phase. He has a plan, a purpose and the balls to see it through (no pun intended). She needs to buy a clue. Rian Johnson utterly and completely gave both the fans and JJ, the middle finger. And whether it was an error of commission or omission, so did Kathleen Kennedy. If the intention was to blow up the franchise, well, they succeeded, miserably so, but succeed they did. Now, I've heard that JJ and company did provide an over-arcing story to cover this trilogy, but Kennedy allowed Johnson free reign to write and direct as he saw fit.
Now, I'm all for innovation and progress in a series. Hell, this is what sci-fi is all about -- innovation, daring, adventure and, most of all, imagination. But it has to follow a logical path. It must be well written.
That's first and foremost. It is first, last and always.......the story.
What Kennedy and company failed to see was that you must serve the story.
Sure, pass on the torch, but serve the story. One that makes sense. For actors, there's the audition, to see if the actor can interpret the character's essence within the story. For directors, it's their body of work. For producers, it's picking the right people and stories to put up on the screen. But, as I have learned, you can't serve two masters.
So, you're right, picking adults who know what they're doing is key. Kennedy failed twice in that regard. Johnson for The Last Jedi, and those two guys (I forget their names) for the Solo movie. I wonder if she ever bothered to read the script for either of these two movies. Wasn't there an overall story arc that they should have followed? Give me Feige or those guys from Game of Thrones. Hand the franchise over to them and see what happens. I dare say that they would kick ass.
Now, the latest is reviews for Solo are not good. It's clear to me Disney needs to make a decision. Oh, I don't think they would fire her, but she needs help, and pronto. They have squandered a golden opportunity to advance the franchise, and possibly surpass the original trilogy. I don't envy JJ Abrams, he has a monumental task. Fixing a juggernaut. It's going to take a Herculean effort. I'm rooting for him to pull it off, but right now it doesn't look good.
Boycott!? I don't think it would work, but I also think it's not needed.
The bottom line
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by GWEK:
Soooo.... anyway....
I'm not going to be boycotting SOLO because I think it's generally silly to boycott a movie in most cases.
I get that some folks feel that "new" Star Wars is not "their" Star Wars, and that's just fine. No need to make a thing of it; just don't see it, and shut up.
Personally, I consider the Original Trilogy "my" Star Wars, so I imagine I may well share some features with the folks calling for the boycott, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying (at least somewhat) later movies.
Heck, I LIKE the Prequel Trilogy! Sure, it's not as good as the Original Trilogy, but it's still Star Wars and it's still lots of fun. Jar Jar Binks annoyed me, but I'm grown-up enough to understand that Jar Jar (and some of the other ridiculousness) isn't supposed to be there for me. That's for the kiddies. I remember seeing Episode I on opening day and you could feel the shoulders of all the adults tense whenever Jar Jar was onscreen. But the children laughed out loud. The children, and my friend, Dan... whatever that says about Dan. Different strokes, right?
I'm not a fan of the Sequel Trilogy but a lot of that has to do with J.J. Abrams. I love is TV work, but his movies generally leave me cold, and Episode 7 was no different. Episode 8 feels like it was Rian Johnson saying he didn't like Episode 7 either and doing everything he could to undercut it. That left me with really, really mixed feelings about the movie - but those mixed feelings didn't prevent me from seeing it three time (and, ultimately, enjoying some parts of it more each time, even if I think the movie as a whole is a bit of a miss).
Rogue One stands on it's own (so far) as an amazing piece of work post-OT, simultaneously both the best Star Wars movie in decades and the worst Star Wars movie ever to be made (the latter in that it's actually, empirically, not a good movie at all if you haven't seen the other movies: it's SO dependent on A New Hope that it cannot stand on it's own as a separate work).
And, regardless of what I think of recent Star Wars movies, as a Firefly fan, how can I possibly NOT give this movie a chance? Looks to me a lot like Han, Lando and the rest aim to misbehave.
So, yeah, I'll be there for SOLO opening night, and likely later in the weekend, too.
Hi Gwek! "pizmobeach" here - so nice to see you posting and as always, your thoughtful, mature review of issues. (Same to you Wish). How's the writing going?
If there's a Youtube boycott proposed (hard to type that without smiling) that alone would make me want to go. But I don't need that - I'll see it out of basic curiosity. I love Science Fiction, and the art and craft of filmmaking and have witnessed the Star Wars series from it's first frame. So why not? I'm long passed the drays of "they owe me" when I go to a movie, in fact I don't think I ever felt that way. It's a beast to get it right, and when you do, sometimes it's just a lucky thing.
Pizmo! Good to see you!
To sidestep for a minute, have you played the Firefly boardgame? If so, swing on by Boardgamegeek. I've been doing a lot of stuff there. Not quite Virtual Firefly, but it keeps me busy.
As for trying to remain thoughtful and mature, I wanna, I really wanna... but I can help but post this, which is what I hear whenever someone tries to win an online argument (or worse, thinks they've already won) by saying "read a book":
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Quote:This.
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Thanks, Wishy, you said most of what I would have. Anyone who uses the term SJW, or the full words social justice warrior, as an epithet, has already lost the debate. If you are not for social justice, then I have to assume you are for social injustice?
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
SPOILER ALERT: Plenty of sarcasm in the video. I know that's lost on some people here, so wanted to point that out ahead of time.
There are absolutely no spoilers to the movie in this video.
These guys probably live right down the street from you, JSF.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Well that was 15:11 of my life I'll never get back.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:This.
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Thanks, Wishy, you said most of what I would have. Anyone who uses the term SJW, or the full words social justice warrior, as an epithet, has already lost the debate. If you are not for social justice, then I have to assume you are for social injustice?
Social Justice Warrior
A person who uses the fight for civil rights as an excuse to be rude, condescending, and sometimes violent for the purpose of relieving their frustrations or validating their sense of unwarranted moral superiority. The behaviors of Social justice warriors usually have a negative impact on the civil rights movement, turning away potential allies and fueling the resurgence of bigoted groups that scoop up people who have been burned or turned off by social justice warriors.
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Quote:So then, in accordance with ecg, anybody who actually and honestly supports Civil Rights is for Social Injustice?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Social Justice Warrior
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:This.
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Thanks, Wishy, you said most of what I would have. Anyone who uses the term SJW, or the full words social justice warrior, as an epithet, has already lost the debate. If you are not for social justice, then I have to assume you are for social injustice?
A person who uses the fight for civil rights as an excuse to be rude, condescending, and sometimes violent for the purpose of relieving their frustrations or validating their sense of unwarranted moral superiority. The behaviors of Social justice warriors usually have a negative impact on the civil rights movement, turning away potential allies and fueling the resurgence of bigoted groups that scoop up people who have been burned or turned off by social justice warriors.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Hey guys, are your brains shaped like pretzels? Cause your logic is sure twisted out of shape. Just because you define something a particular way does not mean that is the only way it can be defined, nor that I have to agree with you. A person who fights for social justice does so for everyone's civil rights, even those people that hate them for doing so. Yes, there are extremists on both sides that would like to shut down the other's opinion, but they do not define the whole of either side of the argument.
If you call for a boycott of anything because you say it is controlled by SJWs, aren't you as guilty as those you condemn?
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Had to share something I just saw on Twitter.
What's the opposite of a Social Justice Warrior?
A Status Quosader.
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Originally posted by ecgordon:
Hey guys, are your brains shaped like pretzels?
That would assume a brain structure
I think the whole SJW hate is just another offshoot of the "I don't wanna have ta be politically correct" crowd.
While I agree that sometimes people are too quick to take offence these days (although most of the "offence" articles are just clickbait) I've never understood the people who sit around whining for their right to insult strangers and groups of people with antiquated terminology. It's like learning new adjectives is painfully abhorrent. What happened in Jr High that they had to vow to never update their behaviors or learn new facts??
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Hey guys, are your brains shaped like pretzels?
That would assume a brain structure
I think the whole SJW hate is just another offshoot of the "I don't wanna have ta be politically correct" crowd.
While I agree that sometimes people are too quick to take offence these days (although most of the "offence" articles are just clickbait) I've never understood the people who sit around whining for their right to insult strangers and groups of people with antiquated terminology. It's like learning new adjectives is painfully abhorrent. What happened in Jr High that they had to vow to never update their behaviors or learn new facts??
At least some of us graduated Jr. High.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by ecgordon:
Had to share something I just saw on Twitter.
What's the opposite of a Social Justice Warrior?
A Status Quosader.
Ha!
I think it's equally valid (and definitely not mutually exclusive) to say that the opposite of a Social Justice Warrior is... a Social Justice Warrior! Similar approach, similar tactics, just fighting for the rights of different people.
Same tricks, different agenda... and if you feel that others don't deserve an enhancement of their rights, then, yes, Status Quosader - if not Status Degrader - indeed.
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Originally posted by whozit:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
SPOILER ALERT: Plenty of sarcasm in the video. I know that's lost on some people here, so wanted to point that out ahead of time.
There are absolutely no spoilers to the movie in this video.
These guys probably live right down the street from you, JSF.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Well that was 15:11 of my life I'll never get back.
Sorry about that Whozit.
Damn. You've already squandered about 15% of your life you took back by boycotting this movie. My bad.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Well my anecdotal evidence does not look good for Solo. I work for a technology company with about 300 people in an office. The company rented 2 theaters 1 on release day and 1 the week after. Tickets are $7 and come with popcorn and you can get tickets for family and friends. They're currently begging people to buy tickets. You even get out of an hour of work. They're not even close to selling out.
When nerds would rather work than see star wars at a reduced price that's pretty telling.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
SPOILER ALERT: Plenty of sarcasm in the video. I know that's lost on some people here, so wanted to point that out ahead of time.
There are absolutely no spoilers to the movie in this video.
These guys probably live right down the street from you, JSF.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Well that was 15:11 of my life I'll never get back.
Sorry about that Whozit.
Damn. You've already squandered about 15% of your life you took back by boycotting this movie. My bad.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Forget about it, I've wasted more time watching "Flat Earth" vids.
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Quote:Well at least when delusional Libtards are making Flat Earth vids, they are too busy to waste time making Global Warming or Russia! Collusion! vids.
Originally posted by whozit:Quote:Forget about it, I've wasted more time watching "Flat Earth" vids.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Sorry about that Whozit.
Originally posted by whozit:Quote:Well that was 15:11 of my life I'll never get back.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
SPOILER ALERT: Plenty of sarcasm in the video. I know that's lost on some people here, so wanted to point that out ahead of time.
There are absolutely no spoilers to the movie in this video.
These guys probably live right down the street from you, JSF.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Damn. You've already squandered about 15% of your life you took back by boycotting this movie. My bad.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by whozit:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sorry about that Whozit.
Damn. You've already squandered about 15% of your life you took back by boycotting this movie. My bad.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Forget about it, I've wasted more time watching "Flat Earth" vids.
The Earth is flat and is only 6,000 years old. 9/11 was a false flag and the Twin Towers never even existed in the alternate universe I came from, and neither did Russians, so I really don't even know what y'all are talking about half the time in here. Donald Trump was real, but he's dead now. He went on to host The Price is Right after he got Fired from the Apprentice and met his end in a bizarre Plinko accident shortly after the fact. The Cloud People are sending laser beams into your brain and making you spend your money on Marvel and Star Wars movies. The only reason that y'all don't think you want to see Solo is because they don't want you to see another movie in the Star Wars universe starring a white male hero. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!! OBAMA TURNED THE FROGS GAY!!!!
- Alex Jones
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Obama turned French people gay? The whole nation of France, or just French-Americans?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:The Earth is flat and is only 6,000 years old. 9/11 was a false flag and the Twin Towers never even existed in the alternate universe I came from, and neither did Russians, so I really don't even know what y'all are talking about half the time in here. Donald Trump was real, but he's dead now. He went on to host The Price is Right after he got Fired from the Apprentice and met his end in a bizarre Plinko accident shortly after the fact. The Cloud People are sending laser beams into your brain and making you spend your money on Marvel and Star Wars movies. The only reason that y'all don't think you want to see Solo is because they don't want you to see another movie in the Star Wars universe starring a white male hero. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!! OBAMA TURNED THE FROGS GAY!!!!
Originally posted by whozit:Quote:Forget about it, I've wasted more time watching "Flat Earth" vids.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sorry about that Whozit.
Damn. You've already squandered about 15% of your life you took back by boycotting this movie. My bad.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
- Alex Jones
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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That's not good news for Disney and Star Wars franchise. Somehow they'll survive it. I read a rumo0r online that critics and entertainment mags/papers have been writing glowing reviews. Could Disney be behind this?
Oh and advance sales are not doing well.
But I think I will judge for myself.
SGG
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Originally posted by Zeek:
Well my anecdotal evidence does not look good for Solo. I work for a technology company with about 300 people in an office. The company rented 2 theaters 1 on release day and 1 the week after. Tickets are $7 and come with popcorn and you can get tickets for family and friends. They're currently begging people to buy tickets. You even get out of an hour of work. They're not even close to selling out.
When nerds would rather work than see star wars at a reduced price that's pretty telling.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
That's not good news for Disney and Star Wars franchise. Somehow they'll survive it. I read a rumo0r online that critics and entertainment mags/papers have been writing glowing reviews. Could Disney be behind this?
Oh and advance sales are not doing well.
But I think I will judge for myself.
SGG
I've read some good reviews. I thought some articles said advance sales were going well. That's why I wasn't entirely sure my office's anecdotal evidence was accurate, but maybe I misread. Regardless it will be interesting to see if the vocal opponents of The Last Jedi are so upset that they won't see future Star Wars movies and if they're numerous enough to concern Disney.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
That's not good news for Disney and Star Wars franchise. Somehow they'll survive it. I read a rumo0r online that critics and entertainment mags/papers have been writing glowing reviews. Could Disney be behind this?
Oh and advance sales are not doing well.
But I think I will judge for myself.
SGG
I've read some good reviews. I thought some articles said advance sales were going well. That's why I wasn't entirely sure my office's anecdotal evidence was accurate, but maybe I misread. Regardless it will be interesting to see if the vocal opponents of The Last Jedi are so upset that they won't see future Star Wars movies and if they're numerous enough to concern Disney.
We'll find out this weekend from the fandom on YOUTUBE how good this flick is.
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I can't wait to see the Falcon in the Kessel Run. [/sarcasm]
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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We'll find out this weekend from the fandom on YOUTUBE how good this flick is. WhozitQuote:
That's going to be somewhat tainted because of the backlash regarding The Last Jedi. Actually, most of the 'bad press' is a result of the hate for the treatment of that movie. It's going on 6 months and there's still volcanic reaction to Rian Johnson's mess of a movie.
Also, according to some of his comments, and old video footage of him, his treatment was intentional. And it seems that is what Kennedy wanted as well, she approved the script. I'm afraid that the YouTubers will be in full force this weekend. So there may be a 'little' bias on their part.
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I think that part of the criticism regarding 'Solo' is that Disney is pushing for "rave" or "glowing" reviews. After all, they do have billions at stake.
But my take on all of this is that in The Force Awakens, both old and new fans went to the movie theater to see the original cast of Star Wars (after the disappointing prequels, episodes I,II & III). To see if their heroes could save the day, literally. When it did fantastic at the box office, well, expectations were high.
Then we got a less than stellar follow up in The Last Jedi. But it was a lot more than that. We got Luke standing over his nephew contemplating murder, and drinking green milk from a sea cow. Not to say it was all bad. There were moments, however brief, of sheer brilliance. It just didn't seem to make sense. The die-hard fans, truly despise Johnson and Kennedy for what they did to Luke and, in general, the franchise. It was change for the sake of change, and little else. No logical follow up to the motivations of the characters that older fans have come to know.
So, fans came up with this notion. How do we get back at them? Funny thing is now the same fans who hated Lucas's prequels, are wishing he come back and reclaim his creation. Rumor (there he goes again) has it that Lucas helped direct Solo. Don't know how true that is (Howard and Lucas have worked together before in American Graffiti), so I take that little tidbit with a grain of salt.
But I don't think the numbers of pissed-off fans will derail the franchise, not by themselves. Some of the reviews I read were mixed, and if that trend continues, a boycott will not be Disney's only concern.
SGG
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Originally posted by Zeek:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
That's not good news for Disney and Star Wars franchise. Somehow they'll survive it. I read a rumo0r online that critics and entertainment mags/papers have been writing glowing reviews. Could Disney be behind this?
Oh and advance sales are not doing well.
But I think I will judge for myself.
SGG
I've read some good reviews. I thought some articles said advance sales were going well. That's why I wasn't entirely sure my office's anecdotal evidence was accurate, but maybe I misread. Regardless it will be interesting to see if the vocal opponents of The Last Jedi are so upset that they won't see future Star Wars movies and if they're numerous enough to concern Disney.
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Originally posted by whozit:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sorry about that Whozit.
Damn. You've already squandered about 15% of your life you took back by boycotting this movie. My bad.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Forget about it, I've wasted more time watching "Flat Earth" vids.
The Earth is flat and is only 6,000 years old. 9/11 was a false flag and the Twin Towers never even existed in the alternate universe I came from, and neither did Russians, so I really don't even know what y'all are talking about half the time in here. Donald Trump was real, but he's dead now. He went on to host The Price is Right after he got Fired from the Apprentice and met his end in a bizarre Plinko accident shortly after the fact. The Cloud People are sending laser beams into your brain and making you spend your money on Marvel and Star Wars movies. The only reason that y'all don't think you want to see Solo is because they don't want you to see another movie in the Star Wars universe starring a white male hero. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!! OBAMA TURNED THE FROGS GAY!!!!
- Alex Jones
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Speaking as a proud pro-life right-wing conservative...Alex Jones is insane
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Disney already made a better version of "Solo: A Star Wars Story"
By Mike Murphy May 25, 2018
This review contains no spoilers.
Step back a bit and squint, and you can see that Disney has actually already made the Han Solo story—if you’re not too picky about your wisecracking intergalactic spaceship captains with furry sidekicks. This new film is essentially a limp, awkward version of Guardians of the Galaxy, the original Marvel film about a gang of mercenaries led by charmingly gruff pilot. But the comparisons don’t stop there: The main character is a scoundrel who doesn’t really know a normal family life (Peter Quill/Han Solo). He falls for a woman of questionable morality (Gamora/Qi’ra). Then there’s a large character who can’t speak and is used for muscle (Groot is really Chewbacca, fur aside); a small wisecracking copilot (Rocket Raccoon/Rio Durant); a jaded old gang leader who takes the main character under their wing (Yondu/Beckett); a villain who is actually working for a scarier villain (Ronan the Accuser and Thanos/Dryden Vos and someone I don’t want to spoil for you); and an infinitely powerful source of energy that everyone wants (infinity stone/coaxium).
The difference is that Guardians was a lighthearted, fun, and thoroughly entertaining film that few had been expecting to do as well as it did (it’s currently the 82nd-highest grossing film of all time). It was a well-executed space opera in the tradition of the original Star Wars movies. Solo, on the other hand, had the weight of expectation of the entire franchise on its shoulders, as well as a relatively inexperienced lead actor trying to fill the shoes of one of the most charismatic actors of all time.
But still, go see it if you’re a fan. Why not? There are some good one-liners, a few fun action scenes, and a lot of shots of the excellent Donald Glover as Lando, in various capes. That alone is worth the price of admission.
https://quartzy.qz.com/1289321/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
Disney already made a better version of "Solo: A Star Wars Story"
By Mike Murphy May 25, 2018
This review contains no spoilers.
Step back a bit and squint, and you can see that Disney has actually already made the Han Solo story—if you’re not too picky about your wisecracking intergalactic spaceship captains with furry sidekicks. This new film is essentially a limp, awkward version of Guardians of the Galaxy, the original Marvel film about a gang of mercenaries led by charmingly gruff pilot. But the comparisons don’t stop there: The main character is a scoundrel who doesn’t really know a normal family life (Peter Quill/Han Solo). He falls for a woman of questionable morality (Gamora/Qi’ra). Then there’s a large character who can’t speak and is used for muscle (Groot is really Chewbacca, fur aside); a small wisecracking copilot (Rocket Raccoon/Rio Durant); a jaded old gang leader who takes the main character under their wing (Yondu/Beckett); a villain who is actually working for a scarier villain (Ronan the Accuser and Thanos/Dryden Vos and someone I don’t want to spoil for you); and an infinitely powerful source of energy that everyone wants (infinity stone/coaxium).
The difference is that Guardians was a lighthearted, fun, and thoroughly entertaining film that few had been expecting to do as well as it did (it’s currently the 82nd-highest grossing film of all time). It was a well-executed space opera in the tradition of the original Star Wars movies. Solo, on the other hand, had the weight of expectation of the entire franchise on its shoulders, as well as a relatively inexperienced lead actor trying to fill the shoes of one of the most charismatic actors of all time.
But still, go see it if you’re a fan. Why not? There are some good one-liners, a few fun action scenes, and a lot of shots of the excellent Donald Glover as Lando, in various capes. That alone is worth the price of admission.
https://quartzy.qz.com/1289321/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
A few one liners and a few fun action scenes doesn't make it a classic. What's next?
JAR JAR: A STAR WARS STORY
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Originally posted by second:
Disney already made a better version of "Solo: A Star Wars Story"
By Mike Murphy May 25, 2018
This review contains no spoilers.
Step back a bit and squint, and you can see that Disney has actually already made the Han Solo story—if you’re not too picky about your wisecracking intergalactic spaceship captains with furry sidekicks. This new film is essentially a limp, awkward version of Guardians of the Galaxy, the original Marvel film about a gang of mercenaries led by charmingly gruff pilot. But the comparisons don’t stop there: The main character is a scoundrel who doesn’t really know a normal family life (Peter Quill/Han Solo). He falls for a woman of questionable morality (Gamora/Qi’ra). Then there’s a large character who can’t speak and is used for muscle (Groot is really Chewbacca, fur aside); a small wisecracking copilot (Rocket Raccoon/Rio Durant); a jaded old gang leader who takes the main character under their wing (Yondu/Beckett); a villain who is actually working for a scarier villain (Ronan the Accuser and Thanos/Dryden Vos and someone I don’t want to spoil for you); and an infinitely powerful source of energy that everyone wants (infinity stone/coaxium).
The difference is that Guardians was a lighthearted, fun, and thoroughly entertaining film that few had been expecting to do as well as it did (it’s currently the 82nd-highest grossing film of all time). It was a well-executed space opera in the tradition of the original Star Wars movies. Solo, on the other hand, had the weight of expectation of the entire franchise on its shoulders, as well as a relatively inexperienced lead actor trying to fill the shoes of one of the most charismatic actors of all time.
But still, go see it if you’re a fan. Why not? There are some good one-liners, a few fun action scenes, and a lot of shots of the excellent Donald Glover as Lando, in various capes. That alone is worth the price of admission.
https://quartzy.qz.com/1289321/
The equivalent of requesting a Prime Rib and getting a Whopper patty.
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So basically Solo copied GoTG. Now there's a revelation, a unique and quantifiable expression of a pop culture phenomenon...namely Star Wars. A unique experience born out of a unremarkable period of the sci-fi domain. Lucas used old footage out of World War II air battles to simulate the battles he imagined that would occur in space. Hence, the "bomber squad" scene in the Last Jedi, a fete that defied gravitational logic.
Granted, Star Wars is forty years in the making, and/or telling, but my take on all of this is that Star Wars took the stories of Flash Gordon, Commando Cody, Forbidden Planet, When Worlds Collide, War of the Worlds, Earth vs. The Flying Saucers, yes even Plan 9 from Outer Space; and brought it into the modern era of sci-fi film. Oh, let's not forget the incomparable 2001: A Space Odyssey. Yes Second, it may be true what you depict in your response, but I dare say that film history will note that without Star Wars...well, you know the rest. Guardians of the Galaxy followed the formula; they did not break the mold, but added to it. Bravo, I say.
Peter Quill is Han Solo, Groot is Chewbacca, etc. GoTG is an excellent sci-fi film full of fun and flights of fancy. There is no mistaking it's appeal. I'll take it a step further, that loveable scoundrel has existed since the early days of film, way back in the 30s. I give you, Charlie Chaplin. Yes, I'm going back that far, before talkies. And it has worked throughout the years; Errol Flynn as Robin Hood; Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man; Mel Ferrer as Cyrano. You get it, I'm sure. Derivative, perhaps. But saying that Solo is derivative of GoTG is like putting the cart before the horse. The only thing that's changed is the background of the story, the surroundings, but at it's core; the same old loveable wise-cracking chap moviegoers have fallen in love with since the days of the horse and cart is ever present.
As far as Solo goes. It is fun, it is lighthearted and thoroughly entertaining and serves the Star Wars story of the hero's journey by the beloved character of Han Solo. I would put it right up there with Rogue One. There is one character in Solo that puts me in mind of GoTG, as far as the wisecracking co-pilot is concerned. It also puts me in mind of a certain captain with tight pants, and a certain train robbery. By the way, just to keep things in perspective, there is a movie, in history, that depicts a group of train robbers...it is known as The Great Train Robbery, 1903. Hmmmm, The Train Job, Firefly, 2002. But, I digress.
I went in with an open mind, but expecting the worst; mainly from all the online vitriol and general overall "hate" of the Last Jedi. I did briefly give the "boycott" a thought, but then said to myself..."go see and judge for yourself."
Fuck it, I'm judging for myself...I liked this movie. Was it the greatest Star Wars movie of all time? No. Was it lighthearted fun and entertaining?...you betcha.
Was Alden Enrenreich Harrison Ford?, No. He was Han Solo as you would think him to be early on in his life. A scoundrel in the making, a young Han Solo. He served the character well, and therefore, served the story well. Thank you Ron Howard for doing a masterful job of not totally fucking with the characters we grew to love.
While I'm at it, thank you George Lucas for keeping him drawing inside the lines. Sometimes that works.
Solo had the grit and old feel of the original Star Wars movie. In other words, not perfectly shiny and new, not totally antiseptic like the prequels; and, most importantly, no Jar Jar Binks. This was a flashback to what made Star Wars, well...Star Wars. It started out slow, but picked up momentum and gathered speed, intrigue and the like as it went along. Yes, Glover was charming as Lando (with all his capes, which I found to be brilliant); but Emilia Clarke who nailed her role as the lovely Kira (Solo's love interest) deserves mention. Harrelson was his usual solid self, who totally immersed himself as Beckett
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
So basically Solo copied GoTG. Now there's a revelation, a unique and quantifiable expression of a pop culture phenomenon...namely Star Wars. A unique experience born out of a unremarkable period of the sci-fi domain. Lucas used old footage out of World War II air battles to simulate the battles he imagined that would occur in space. Hence, the "bomber squad" scene in the Last Jedi, a fete that defied gravitational logic.
Granted, Star Wars is forty years in the making, and/or telling, but my take on all of this is that Star Wars took the stories of Flash Gordon, Commando Cody, Forbidden Planet, When Worlds Collide, War of the Worlds, Earth vs. The Flying Saucers, yes even Plan 9 from Outer Space; and brought it into the modern era of sci-fi film. Oh, let's not forget the incomparable 2001: A Space Odyssey. Yes Second, it may be true what you depict in your response, but I dare say that film history will note that without Star Wars...well, you know the rest. Guardians of the Galaxy followed the formula; they did not break the mold, but added to it. Bravo, I say.
Peter Quill is Han Solo, Groot is Chewbacca, etc. GoTG is an excellent sci-fi film full of fun and flights of fancy. There is no mistaking it's appeal. I'll take it a step further, that loveable scoundrel has existed since the early days of film, way back in the 30s. I give you, Charlie Chaplin. Yes, I'm going back that far, before talkies. And it has worked throughout the years; Errol Flynn as Robin Hood; Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man; Mel Ferrer as Cyrano. You get it, I'm sure. Derivative, perhaps. But saying that Solo is derivative of GoTG is like putting the cart before the horse. The only thing that's changed is the background of the story, the surroundings, but at it's core; the same old loveable wise-cracking chap moviegoers have fallen in love with since the days of the horse and cart.
As far as Solo goes. It is fun, it is lighthearted and thoroughly entertaining and serves the Star Wars story of the hero's journey by the beloved character of Han Solo. I would put it right up there with Rogue One. There is one character in Solo that puts me in mind of GoTG, as far as the wisecracking co-pilot is concerned. It also puts me in mind of a certain captain with tight pants, and a certain train robbery. By the way, just to keep things in perspective, there is a movie, in history, that depicts a group of train robbers...it is known as The Great Train Robbery, 1903. Hmmmm, The Train Job, Firefly, 2002. But, I digress.
I went in with an open mind, but expecting the worst; mainly from all the online vitriol and general overall "hate" of the Last Jedi. I did briefly give the "boycott" a thought, but then said to myself..."go see and judge for yourself."
Fuck it, I'm judging for myself...I liked this movie. Was it the greatest Star Wars movie of all time? No. Was it lighthearted fun and entertaining?...you betcha.
Was Alden Enrenreich Harrison Ford?, No. He was Han Solo as you would think him to be early on in his life. A scoundrel in the making, a young Han Solo. He served the character well, and therefore, served the story well. Thank you Ron Howard for doing a masterful job of not totally fucking with the characters we grew to love.
While I'm at it, thank you George Lucas for keeping him drawing inside the lines. Sometimes that works.
Solo had the grit and old feel of the original Star Wars movie. In other words, not perfectly shiny and new, not totally antiseptic like the prequels; and, most importantly, no Jar Jar Binks. This was a flashback to what made Star Wars, well...Star Wars. It started out slow, but picked up momentum and gathered speed, intrigue and the like as it went along. Yes, Glover was charming as Lando (with all his capes, which I found to be brilliant); but Emilia Clarke who nailed her role as the lovely Kira (Solo's love interest) deserves mention. Harrelson was his usual solid self, who totalNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Just so you know, I went yesterday 15 minutes before showtime and was able to get a ticket easily. But, keep in mind, that most people were out of town by 8:00 p.m. (showtime in my part of town); and the theater was 3/4s full. This movie was in 7 of 14 screens.
By the way, go see it. It's good. It's got the old time Star Wars charm and grit.
SGG
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Originally posted by Zeek:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
That's not good news for Disney and Star Wars franchise. Somehow they'll survive it. I read a rumo0r online that critics and entertainment mags/papers have been writing glowing reviews. Could Disney be behind this?
Oh and advance sales are not doing well.
But I think I will judge for myself.
SGG
I've read some good reviews. I thought some articles said advance sales were going well. That's why I wasn't entirely sure my office's anecdotal evidence was accurate, but maybe I misread. Regardless it will be interesting to see if the vocal opponents of The Last Jedi are so upset that they won't see future Star Wars movies and if they're numerous enough to concern Disney.
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No worries Whozit. Anyone who's here is a film fan, and that's okay in my book. But we still live in a free country, and you're entitled to your opinion......
Only when you totally agree with me.
Bwaah, ha, ha, ha!
SGG
I'm so confused! I thought we were in the Cinema section, for a split...
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Originally posted by whozit:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
So basically Solo copied GoTG. Now there's a revelation, a unique and quantifiable expression of a pop culture phenomenon...namely Star Wars. A unique experience born out of a unremarkable period of the sci-fi domain. Lucas used old footage out of World War II air battles to simulate the battles he imagined that would occur in space. Hence, the "bomber squad" scene in the Last Jedi, a fete that defied gravitational logic.
Granted, Star Wars is forty years in the making, and/or telling, but my take on all of this is that Star Wars took the stories of Flash Gordon, Commando Cody, Forbidden Planet, When Worlds Collide, War of the Worlds, Earth vs. The Flying Saucers, yes even Plan 9 from Outer Space; and brought it into the modern era of sci-fi film. Oh, let's not forget the incomparable 2001: A Space Odyssey. Yes Second, it may be true what you depict in your response, but I dare say that film history will note that without Star Wars...well, you know the rest. Guardians of the Galaxy followed the formula; they did not break the mold, but added to it. Bravo, I say.
Peter Quill is Han Solo, Groot is Chewbacca, etc. GoTG is an excellent sci-fi film full of fun and flights of fancy. There is no mistaking it's appeal. I'll take it a step further, that loveable scoundrel has existed since the early days of film, way back in the 30s. I give you, Charlie Chaplin. Yes, I'm going back that far, before talkies. And it has worked throughout the years; Errol Flynn as Robin Hood; Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man; Mel Ferrer as Cyrano. You get it, I'm sure. Derivative, perhaps. But saying that Solo is derivative of GoTG is like putting the cart before the horse. The only thing that's changed is the background of the story, the surroundings, but at it's core; the same old loveable wise-cracking chap moviegoers have fallen in love with since the days of the horse and cart.
As far as Solo goes. It is fun, it is lighthearted and thoroughly entertaining and serves the Star Wars story of the hero's journey by the beloved character of Han Solo. I would put it right up there with Rogue One. There is one character in Solo that puts me in mind of GoTG, as far as the wisecracking co-pilot is concerned. It also puts me in mind of a certain captain with tight pants, and a certain train robbery. By the way, just to keep things in perspective, there is a movie, in history, that depicts a group of train robbers...it is known as The Great Train Robbery, 1903. Hmmmm, The Train Job, Firefly, 2002. But, I digress.
I went in with an open mind, but expecting the worst; mainly from all the online vitriol and general overall "hate" of the Last Jedi. I did briefly give the "boycott" a thought, but then said to myself..."go see and judge for yourself."
Fuck it, I'm judging for myself...I liked this movie. Was it the greatest Star Wars movie of all time? No. Was it lighthearted fun and entertaining?...you betcha.
Was Alden Enrenreich Harrison Ford?, No. He was Han Solo as you would think him to be early on in his life. A scoundrel in the making, a young Han Solo. He served the character well, and therefore, served the story well. Thank you Ron Howard for doing a masterful job of not totally fucking with the characters we grew to love.
While I'm at it, thank you George Lucas for keeping him drawing inside the lines. Sometimes that works.
Solo had the grit and old feel of the original Star Wars movie. In other words, not perfectly shiny and new, not totally antiseptic like the prequels; and, most importantly, no Jar Jar Binks. This was a flashback to what madeNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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So basically Solo copied GoTG. Now there's a revelation, a unique and quantifiable expression of a pop culture phenomenon...namely Star Wars. A unique experience born out of a unremarkable period of the sci-fi domain. Lucas used old footage out of World War II air battles to simulate the battles he imagined that would occur in space. Hence, the "bomber squad" scene in the Last Jedi, a fete that defied gravitational logic.
Granted, Star Wars is forty years in the making, and/or telling, but my take on all of this is that Star Wars took the stories of Flash Gordon, Commando Cody, Forbidden Planet, When Worlds Collide, War of the Worlds, Earth vs. The Flying Saucers, yes even Plan 9 from Outer Space; and brought it into the modern era of sci-fi film. Oh, let's not forget the incomparable 2001: A Space Odyssey. Yes Second, it may be true what you depict in your response, but I dare say that film history will note that without Star Wars...well, you know the rest. Guardians of the Galaxy followed the formula; they did not break the mold, but added to it. Bravo, I say.
Peter Quill is Han Solo, Groot is Chewbacca, etc. GoTG is an excellent sci-fi film full of fun and flights of fancy. There is no mistaking it's appeal. I'll take it a step further, that loveable scoundrel has existed since the early days of film, way back in the 30s. I give you, Charlie Chaplin. Yes, I'm going back that far, before talkies. And it has worked throughout the years; Errol Flynn as Robin Hood; Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man; Mel Ferrer as Cyrano. You get it, I'm sure. Derivative, perhaps. But saying that Solo is derivative of GoTG is like putting the cart before the horse. The only thing that's changed is the background of the story, the surroundings, but at it's core; the same old loveable wise-cracking chap moviegoers have fallen in love with since the days of the horse and cart is ever present.
As far as Solo goes. It is fun, it is lighthearted and thoroughly entertaining and serves the Star Wars story of the hero's journey by the beloved character of Han Solo. I would put it right up there with Rogue One. There is one character in Solo that puts me in mind of GoTG, as far as the wisecracking co-pilot is concerned. It also puts me in mind of a certain captain with tight pants, and a certain train robbery. By the way, just to keep things in perspective, there is a movie, in history, that depicts a group of train robbers...it is known as The Great Train Robbery, 1903. Hmmmm, The Train Job, Firefly, 2002. But, I digress.
I went in with an open mind, but expecting the worst; mainly from all the online vitriol and general overall "hate" of the Last Jedi. I did briefly give the "boycott" a thought, but then said to myself..."go see and judge for yourself."
Fuck it, I'm judging for myself...I liked this movie. Was it the greatest Star Wars movie of all time? No. Was it lighthearted fun and entertaining?...you betcha.
Was Alden Enrenreich Harrison Ford?, No. He was Han Solo as you would think him to be early on in his life. A scoundrel in the making, a young Han Solo. He served the character well, and therefore, served the story well. Thank you Ron Howard for doing a masterful job of not totally fucking with the characters we grew to love.
While I'm at it, thank you George Lucas for keeping him drawing inside the lines. Sometimes that works.
Solo had the grit and old feel of the original Star Wars movie. In other words, not perfectly shiny and new, not totally antiseptic like the prequels; and, most importantly, no Jar Jar Binks. This was a flashback to what made Star Wars, well...Star Wars. It started out slow, but picked up momentum and gathered speed, intrigue and the like as it went along. Yes, Glover was charming as Lando (with all his capes, which I found to be brilliant); but Emilia Clarke who nailed her role as the lovely Kira (Solo's love interest) deserves mention. Harrelson was his usual solidNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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I gave not yet seen Solo. Regarding universal comparisons with Sci-Fi, IIRC Lucas said that he tried to make a classic Cowboys and Indians, but in space. I think he nailed it with A New Hope. I'm not currently thinking of any other Sci-Fi work that truly duplicates this feat, the excitement and thrill. Star Trek was more pondering, contemplating science - maybe Khan and Voyage Home came closest. Firefly maybe did it best, but Fox was perturbed at the too literal Cowboy factor.
I think Rogue One copied the sensation well, Valerian tried. Edge of Tomorrow was exciting. Aliens did it.
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Solo was like a New Hope with it's Western motif. I only brought up Space Odyssey because of it's unique sci-fi vibe, unlike anything else I've seen. But no, that movie does not have a Western theme. Solo has that Firefly vibe where things don't go "smooth" and, again, that part of Firefly was influenced by Star Wars. There's lots of that in Solo. It recaptured that frontier spirit where our BDH went off to strike deals and line their pockets with cashy money. They even have a Adlai Niska character.
As far as GoTG is concerned, I'm not really sure.
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Quote:'Solo: A Star Wars Story' is a great show but make no mistake, “Solo” has problems. The script is godawful but the actors are so charming that it's worth seeing (and maybe making a better sequel).
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Another quality reposting copied reposting of a non-FireflyFan's words by somebody without an original thought in their head.
The equivalent of requesting a Prime Rib and getting a Whopper patty.
This film is perhaps one of the most enjoyable blockbusters that Star Wars has produced. If it had arrived before “The Last Jedi” it would be the best film Disney-Lucasfilm had done to date. All of that is due to the second director who came aboard the production in its hour of need, Ron Howard.
The backstage drama of “Solo” became impossible to hide when original directors Phil Lord and Chris Miller were fired in a spectacular fashion with less than three weeks to go before filming was finished.
From the sounds of the gossip, one of the major reasons for Lord & Miller’s firing was a refusal to stick to the script. After seeing it, one can see why they turned to improvisation and over-the-top comedy in order to triage what they were handed; they didn't have the depth of experience to figure out how to solve a film with a baseline problem of this nature. Howard, being a far more seasoned filmmaker, understood there was another way to solve a film like this: Get everyone on screen to turn the charm up to 11 and keep it there. The result is so effective that I left the theater thinking I wouldn’t mind a sequel.
Just maybe next time? Get better writers.
www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/solo-star-wars-story-great-show-terrible
-film-ncna877711
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I saw Solo on Thursday night and have plans to see it again this afternoon, and then possibly later in the week -- all with different folks, so that's a feature of the number of different people I know who want to see it, not necessarily my opinion.
However, having seen it once, I am very much looking forward to seeing it two more times.
I enjoyed the movie. I found it highly entertaining and a lot of fun, although I will admit that it's far from perfect.
I think that that those who go in expecting to enjoy it will find a lot to like, while those who go in expecting it to be bad will find a lot to complain about... and they'll all be right.
Trying to remain spoiler-free: The movie gives us a new view of Solo that actually adds fairly significantly to our understanding of the character without undercutting what we already know about him.
The movie is solid and has a lot of good stuff, but at times, it moves too briskly (there were parts where I wanted things to slow down and be explored more). Ultimately, I think that, as a standalone, Rogue One was a superior movie, but Solo is more fun.
Personally, I don't know that the comparison to GotG is a fair one. I suppose there are some similarities, but you could say the same of any semi-lighthearted height movie in the sci fi genre.
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I read that NBC article and found it very interesting and on point. In the hands of a talented director like Howard, the finished product turned out to be not so bad. I did enjoy myself; mainly cause, as I said before, they served the overall story and the characters well.
I did get that feeling at the end that a sequel would not be such a bad idea. It actually begs for a follow-up movie. What's going to happen to Qi'Ra and Han? What about the Crimson Dawn, or whatever their name is? One thing that's for sure we need better writers, and better directors. Perhaps hire a better producer, one that will plot out an overall story arc for the franchise a la Kevin Fiege at MCU.
For the billions that Disney has spent, you would think they would have more sense.
Spoilers!
Oh, and one last thing. Enough with the Me Too/social justice clubbing. We get it, women are awesome. Mind you, it was brief and only slightly annoying, but it was a weak attempt at Disney humor. Please leave that for the Disney Channel. Princess Leia was doing it some 40 years ago already. What I suggest is have some kick-ass female Jedi and more of Thandie Newton, who was awesome by the way. Don't kill off one of the best characters in the first half hour. I want to see her story.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:'Solo: A Star Wars Story' is a great show but make no mistake, “Solo” has problems. The script is godawful but the actors are so charming that it's worth seeing (and maybe making a better sequel).
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Another quality reposting copied reposting of a non-FireflyFan's words by somebody without an original thought in their head.
The equivalent of requesting a Prime Rib and getting a Whopper patty.
This film is perhaps one of the most enjoyable blockbusters that Star Wars has produced. If it had arrived before “The Last Jedi” it would be the best film Disney-Lucasfilm had done to date. All of that is due to the second director who came aboard the production in its hour of need, Ron Howard.
The backstage drama of “Solo” became impossible to hide when original directors Phil Lord and Chris Miller were fired in a spectacular fashion with less than three weeks to go before filming was finished.
From the sounds of the gossip, one of the major reasons for Lord & Miller’s firing was a refusal to stick to the script. After seeing it, one can see why they turned to improvisation and over-the-top comedy in order to triage what they were handed; they didn't have the depth of experience to figure out how to solve a film with a baseline problem of this nature. Howard, being a far more seasoned filmmaker, understood there was another way to solve a film like this: Get everyone on screen to turn the charm up to 11 and keep it there. The result is so effective that I left the theater thinking I wouldn’t mind a sequel.
Just maybe next time? Get better writers.
www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/solo-star-wars-story-great-show-terrible
-film-ncna877711
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Oh, and one last thing. Enough with the Me Too/social justice clubbing. We get it, women are awesome. Mind you, it was brief and only slightly annoying, but it was a weak attempt at Disney humor. Please leave that for the Disney Channel. Princess Leia was doing it some 40 years ago already. What I suggest is have some kick-ass female Jedi and more of Thandie Newton, who was awesome by the way. Don't kill off one of the best characters in the first half hour. I want to see her story.
Yerp.
Alien did it just fine in 1979 and upped the ante in 1986 when Sigorney Weaver became a full fledged Badass. The same could be said of Terminator and Terminator 2 with Linda Hamilton. Nobody went around virtue signaling how great these movies were or how amazing these women were. The movies were great and the women who portrayed the main characters were amazing.
Incidentally, the producer's name for Aliens was Gale Anne Hurd. She has since gone on to become the recording secretary for the Producer's Guild of America and she is the founder of Valhalla Entertainment, which has produced The Walking Dead and its spinoff.
Most of her accolades were accomplished long before anybody even heard the word Patriarchy. It's women like her that should be thought of as heroes for little girls, but instead we get Rey who is automatically the best at whatever she does and isn't forced into any difficult situations or to learn anything.
Really... is it any wonder these kids grow up to be adults that feel they are entitled to whatever they want without ever having to face a second of adversity?
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Quote:There was VERY CLEARLY a Warning of Spoilers in the post that you quoted. Although this is not Cinema Forum, what was the purpose of copying the Spoiler while deleting the Warning of the Spoiler? Did Wishy hack your login to make you so rude?
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Oh, and one last thing. Enough with the Me Too/social justice clubbing. We get it, women are awesome. Mind you, it was brief and only slightly annoying, but it was a weak attempt at Disney humor. Please leave that for the Disney Channel. Princess Leia was doing it some 40 years ago already. What I suggest is have some kick-ass female Jedi and more of Thandie Newton, who was awesome by the way. Don't kill off one of the best characters in the first half hour. I want to see her story.
Yerp.
Alien did it just fine in 1979 and upped the ante in 1986 when Sigorney Weaver became a full fledged Badass. The same could be said of Terminator and Terminator 2 with Linda Hamilton. Nobody went around virtue signaling how great these movies were or how amazing these women were. The movies were great and the women who portrayed the main characters were amazing.
Incidentally, the producer's name for Aliens was Gale Anne Hurd. She has since gone on to become the recording secretary for the Producer's Guild of America and she is the founder of Valhalla Entertainment, which has produced The Walking Dead and its spinoff.
Most of her accolades were accomplished long before anybody even heard the word Patriarchy. It's women like her that should be thought of as heroes for little girls, but instead we get Rey who is automatically the best at whatever she does and isn't forced into any difficult situations or to learn anything.
Really... is it any wonder these kids grow up to be adults that feel they are entitled to whatever they want without ever having to face a second of adversity?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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There was VERY CLEARLY a Warning of Spoilers in the post that you quoted. Although this is not Cinema Forum, what was the purpose of copying the Spoiler while deleting the Warning of the Spoiler? Did Wishy hack your login to make you so rude?
sorry not sorry
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There was VERY CLEARLY a Warning of Spoilers in the post that you quoted. Although this is not Cinema Forum, what was the purpose of copying the Spoiler while deleting the Warning of the Spoiler? Did Wishy hack your login to make you so rude?
sorry not sorry
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Hey Gwek,
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I enjoyed the movie. I found it highly entertaining and a lot of fun, although I will admit that it's far from perfect.
You've said a mouthful. I had a good time watching Solo and thought that Howard did a solid job saving this movie.
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I think that that those who go in expecting to enjoy it will find a lot to like, while those who go in expecting it to be bad will find a lot to complain about... and they'll all be right.
I agree.
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Trying to remain spoiler-free: The movie gives us a new view of Solo that actually adds fairly significantly to our understanding of the character without undercutting what we already know about him.
Again, agree.
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There were some light touches like when Han says "I have a good feeling about this." A play on words from A New Hope where Han says the opposite "I have a bad feeling about this."
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The movie is solid and has a lot of good stuff, but at times, it moves too briskly (there were parts where I wanted things to slow down and be explored more). Ultimately, I think that, as a standalone, Rogue One was a superior movie, but Solo is more fun.
One of the criticisms I heard about Solo was the breakneck speed of the goings on. So yeah, maybe slow down a little so the audience could take a breath and absorb.
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Personally, I don't know that the comparison to GotG is a fair one. I suppose there are some similarities, but you could say the same of any semi-lighthearted height movie in the sci fi genre.
My response to that comparison is that GoTG copied Star Wars, not the other way around. Overall, there were some rough edges to Solo....that script WAS god-awful, but Howard used his cast well to overcome the more agregious parts. Erenreich did a crediblle job as Han and both he and Emilia Clarke had chemistry. Bettany was a carciature; and Glover as Lando was underutilized, IMHO. The chemistry between Chewie and Han was alos spot on.
I may go see it again, to catch the parts I missed or flew by too quickly.
SGG
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There was VERY CLEARLY a Warning of Spoilers in the post that you quoted. Although this is not Cinema Forum, what was the purpose of copying the Spoiler while deleting the Warning of the Spoiler? Did Wishy hack your login to make you so rude?
sorry not sorry
Do Right, Be Right. :)
What? Is that posted for posterity?
Here. I'll post it again, for double posterity.
I've never deleted a post of mine, or edited it after somebody else has posted something.
I dare you to find a single instance where I have done either.
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Now, now children.......play nice!
Even though it's not Cinema, we're talking movies here. I must insist on you keep the bickering down please. I will have to impose a 2-bicker maximum. Let's get a ruling from the judges:
What say you, judges? (since it was my post, I will recuse myself. See, we can learn life lessons from the mentally challenged in the White House).
Wish, Zeek, EC? Care to weigh in?
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
There was VERY CLEARLY a Warning of Spoilers in the post that you quoted. Although this is not Cinema Forum, what was the purpose of copying the Spoiler while deleting the Warning of the Spoiler? Did Wishy hack your login to make you so rude?
sorry not sorry
Do Right, Be Right. :)
What? Is that posted for posterity?
Here. I'll post it again, for double posterity.
I've never deleted a post of mine, or edited it after somebody else has posted something.
I dare you to find a single instance where I have done either.
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Yep... I called it.
This is getting too predictable.
As 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' Flops, Are Movies About White Men Box Office Poison?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/29/as-solo-a-star-
wars-story-flops-are-movies-about-white-men-box-office-poison/#674240cd5d49
Of course that's the take-away here. What else could it be?
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Quote:Golly. For them to say that the very best films are only about white guys just sounds racist. But that is the sort of hypocrisy we know to expect from the intolerant PC SJW.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yep... I called it.
This is getting too predictable.
As 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' Flops, Are Movies About White Men Box Office Poison?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/29/as-solo-a-star-
wars-story-flops-are-movies-about-white-men-box-office-poison/#674240cd5d49
Of course that's the take-away here. What else could it be?
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Yes, it's true...White Men Can't Jump!
Bwah, ha, ha, ha!
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Yep... I called it.
This is getting too predictable.
As 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' Flops, Are Movies About White Men Box Office Poison?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/29/as-solo-a-star-
wars-story-flops-are-movies-about-white-men-box-office-poison/#674240cd5d49
Of course that's the take-away here. What else could it be?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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An exerpt from the article regarding movies and White Male Leads:
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Those allegedly boycotting Star Wars over The Last Jedi ironically stayed away from a chapter more suited to their interests. I am hesitant to give the vocal minority who didn’t just dislike The Last Jedi (that’s allowed) but viewed it as SJW propaganda (that’s evil) too much credit. To the extent that it had any effect, you had some folks ignoring Solo either because they loved The Last Jedi or because they hated The Last Jedi. I never thought a Han Solo prequel was a good idea, but even I didn’t see this perfect storm coming.
The writer was looking to make a point about reading too much into the title.
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Not every film starring a young white male lead is doomed to struggle overseas (Kingsman: The Secret Service). Not every female-led or minority-centric biggie is going to kick butt here (Pacific Rim: Uprising) and abroad (Ghost in the Shell). Yet, there is enough evidence to suggest that it doesn’t hurt to have your movie centered on a racial minority or a woman (of any color). The key will still be making movies, of all sizes, that are demographically-specific event movies. It’s why It and Girls Trip were events, but King Arthur and The Mummy were not.
In the final analysis, you still need to make a good movie. The best in writing, acting, directing, etc. if you want people to come.
But then again, he offers this.......
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In the end, Solo had little to offer that was fresh and had little to sell beyond being a movie that happened to be part of the Star Wars universe. But in 2018, an event movie featuring a generic white guy in the lead is that much less of an event movie, and merely being a big-budget fantasy spectacle isn’t enough. Giving certain demographics, a still too rare opportunity to root for heroes that look like them can help create demographically-specific event movies. Thus, from a certain point of view, white male movie stars may indeed be box office poison.
Are White guys still in charge?
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Are White guys still in charge?
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They're Jewish. Does that count?
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In the final analysis, you still need to make a good movie. The best in writing, acting, directing, etc. if you want people to come.
SGG
Well there's the rub. Almost nobody is doing this now, but you knuckleheads keep spending your hard earned cash in this down economy making these incompetent rich people even richer.
Say no to all of it.
Hell. I have Kodi and could watch any movie or TV show I wanted to for free. I can't even remember the last movie I saw (I think it may have been Welcome to Me), and I even stopped watching TV shows sometime last summer. The only show I've seen at all was about 5 episodes of that sci-fi show I mentioned in the Sci-Fi thread while visiting with my brother and my Dad, but I haven't been bothered to watch any more of it... I can't even remember the name of it.
I dunno. I think I'm just over TV and Movies. They've lost their kick.
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Yep... I called it.
This is getting too predictable.
As 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' Flops, Are Movies About White Men Box Office Poison?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/29/as-solo-a-star-
wars-story-flops-are-movies-about-white-men-box-office-poison/#674240cd5d49
Of course that's the take-away here. What else could it be?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Actually the rumors are that Lucasfilm's take away is that Solo released too quickly after The Last Jedi and people weren't ready for more Star Wars.
This from the same company that released Black Panther and Avengers Infinity War 10 weeks apart and they both had amazing box office performances. So, much so that Black Panther was still in theaters when they released it on DVD/Bluray. If you make movies that audiences want to see then it doesn't seem to matter how quickly you release them. Why would suits learn or use logic though?
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yep... I called it.
This is getting too predictable.
As 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' Flops, Are Movies About White Men Box Office Poison?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/29/as-solo-a-star-
wars-story-flops-are-movies-about-white-men-box-office-poison/#674240cd5d49
Of course that's the take-away here. What else could it be?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Actually the rumors are that Lucasfilm's take away is that Solo released too quickly after The Last Jedi and people weren't ready for more Star Wars.
This from the same company that released Black Panther and Avengers Infinity War 10 weeks apart and they both had amazing box office performances. So, much so that Black Panther was still in theaters when they released it on DVD/Bluray. If you make movies that audiences want to see then it doesn't seem to matter how quickly you release them. Why would suits learn or use logic though?
I still think the main takeaway is that Kathleen Kennedy is box office poison for Star Wars. Or at least it should be.
I did predict this White Male thing on the 23rd though in my Alex Jones parody quote. I had a feeling that people were going to be at least semi-successful at boycotting this movie and that the news was just going to say that it was because it was the one that centered around a white male protagonist.
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The Earth is flat and is only 6,000 years old. 9/11 was a false flag and the Twin Towers never even existed in the alternate universe I came from, and neither did Russians, so I really don't even know what y'all are talking about half the time in here. Donald Trump was real, but he's dead now. He went on to host The Price is Right after he got Fired from the Apprentice and met his end in a bizarre Plinko accident shortly after the fact. The Cloud People are sending laser beams into your brain and making you spend your money on Marvel and Star Wars movies. The only reason that y'all don't think you want to see Solo is because they don't want you to see another movie in the Star Wars universe starring a white male hero. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!! OBAMA TURNED THE FROGS GAY!!!!
- Alex Jones
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Boycott ??? But then I don't know what day it is , most days.Alot of rehashing of old storylines .Last one wasn't too bad 678??? .Enjoyed Rogue One more than the new ones and im going to see this next week.
You buy this ship, treat her proper, she'll be with you for the rest of your life.
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Quote:I don't know. Throughout your post and quotes, the nagging horror seems to be you are arguing for a Jar Jar Binks Story. Did Lucas really ruin the entirety of filmdom when he allowed Jar Jar screen time?
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
An exerpt from the article regarding movies and White Male Leads:Quote:
Those allegedly boycotting Star Wars over The Last Jedi ironically stayed away from a chapter more suited to their interests. I am hesitant to give the vocal minority who didn’t just dislike The Last Jedi (that’s allowed) but viewed it as SJW propaganda (that’s evil) too much credit. To the extent that it had any effect, you had some folks ignoring Solo either because they loved The Last Jedi or because they hated The Last Jedi. I never thought a Han Solo prequel was a good idea, but even I didn’t see this perfect storm coming.
The writer was looking to make a point about reading too much into the title.Quote:
Not every film starring a young white male lead is doomed to struggle overseas (Kingsman: The Secret Service). Not every female-led or minority-centric biggie is going to kick butt here (Pacific Rim: Uprising) and abroad (Ghost in the Shell). Yet, there is enough evidence to suggest that it doesn’t hurt to have your movie centered on a racial minority or a woman (of any color). The key will still be making movies, of all sizes, that are demographically-specific event movies. It’s why It and Girls Trip were events, but King Arthur and The Mummy were not.
In the final analysis, you still need to make a good movie. The best in writing, acting, directing, etc. if you want people to come.
But then again, he offers this.......Quote:
In the end, Solo had little to offer that was fresh and had little to sell beyond being a movie that happened to be part of the Star Wars universe. But in 2018, an event movie featuring a generic white guy in the lead is that much less of an event movie, and merely being a big-budget fantasy spectacle isn’t enough. Giving certain demographics, a still too rare opportunity to root for heroes that look like them can help create demographically-specific event movies. Thus, from a certain point of view, white male movie stars may indeed be box office poison.
Are White guys still in charge?
SGG
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Quote:This really seems to focus the fact that Solo was jinxed, by being the unfortunate entry which followed the dreck that was TLJ.
Originally posted by Zeek:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yep... I called it.
This is getting too predictable.
As 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' Flops, Are Movies About White Men Box Office Poison?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmend
elson/2018/05/29/as-solo-a-star-wars-story-flops-are-movies-about-white-men-box-office-poison/#674240cd5d49
Of course that's the take-away here. What else could it be?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Actually the rumors are that Lucasfilm's take away is that Solo released too quickly after The Last Jedi and people weren't ready for more Star Wars.
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Oh! We're going there.
Still racism no matter who is at the receiving end.
SGG
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Are White guys still in charge?
SGG
They're Jewish. Does that count?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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So, we're knuckleheads now. Well then, include yourself, even with Kodi (or whatever) you are STILL supporting Hollywood. Stopped watching TV and movies altogether!?
Bravo, good for you. What do we have for him Johnny!?
SGG
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
In the final analysis, you still need to make a good movie. The best in writing, acting, directing, etc. if you want people to come.
SGG
Well there's the rub. Almost nobody is doing this now, but you knuckleheads keep spending your hard earned cash in this down economy making these incompetent rich people even richer.
Say no to all of it.
Hell. I have Kodi and could watch any movie or TV show I wanted to for free. I can't even remember the last movie I saw (I think it may have been Welcome to Me), and I even stopped watching TV shows sometime last summer. The only show I've seen at all was about 5 episodes of that sci-fi show I mentioned in the Sci-Fi thread while visiting with my brother and my Dad, but I haven't been bothered to watch any more of it... I can't even remember the name of it.
I dunno. I think I'm just over TV and Movies. They've lost their kick.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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That's my point exactly Zeek. A good story will attract people who love a good story, period, end of discussion (of course, notwithstanding Six's self-imposed entertainment exile).
That Star Wars fatigue bullshit is just that.....bullshit. The Solo movie was not that bad, but it wasn't that good either. Howard saved whatever mess he inherited (the man should get an award for pulling Solo out of the fire), but maybe, I think, they should have postponed their release date to do it justice. After all, they did spend a reported $300 million in total (at least that's the rumor).
Disney gambled greatly on these guys delivering good stories - Johnson and the two directors of the Lego movie (which was brilliant). They also have gambled on Kathleen Kennedy. The fans though, had other things in mind. Now maybe Disney will think twice about future decisions. George Lucas must be at home chuckling to himself, I think he knew that he could no longer come with fresh and new ideas about his franchise, and therefore sold to the highest bidder. Are there still stories to be told. Yes, Rogue One was proof positive, just need brave and bold writers willing to peer into the future. But mostly Disney must be willing to gamble on the right storytellers. Ones that understand the mythology of Star Wars.
SGG
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Originally posted by Zeek:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yep... I called it.
This is getting too predictable.
As 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' Flops, Are Movies About White Men Box Office Poison?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/29/as-solo-a-star-
wars-story-flops-are-movies-about-white-men-box-office-poison/#674240cd5d49
Of course that's the take-away here. What else could it be?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Actually the rumors are that Lucasfilm's take away is that Solo released too quickly after The Last Jedi and people weren't ready for more Star Wars.
This from the same company that released Black Panther and Avengers Infinity War 10 weeks apart and they both had amazing box office performances. So, much so that Black Panther was still in theaters when they released it on DVD/Bluray. If you make movies that audiences want to see then it doesn't seem to matter how quickly you release them. Why would suits learn or use logic though?
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Is that what you got from my post? Good Lord!
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I don't know. Throughout your post and quotes, the nagging horror seems to be you are arguing for a Jar Jar Binks Story. Did Lucas really ruin the entirety of filmdom when he allowed Jar Jar screen time?
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
An exerpt from the article regarding movies and White Male Leads:Quote:
Those allegedly boycotting Star Wars over The Last Jedi ironically stayed away from a chapter more suited to their interests. I am hesitant to give the vocal minority who didn’t just dislike The Last Jedi (that’s allowed) but viewed it as SJW propaganda (that’s evil) too much credit. To the extent that it had any effect, you had some folks ignoring Solo either because they loved The Last Jedi or because they hated The Last Jedi. I never thought a Han Solo prequel was a good idea, but even I didn’t see this perfect storm coming.
The writer was looking to make a point about reading too much into the title.Quote:
Not every film starring a young white male lead is doomed to struggle overseas (Kingsman: The Secret Service). Not every female-led or minority-centric biggie is going to kick butt here (Pacific Rim: Uprising) and abroad (Ghost in the Shell). Yet, there is enough evidence to suggest that it doesn’t hurt to have your movie centered on a racial minority or a woman (of any color). The key will still be making movies, of all sizes, that are demographically-specific event movies. It’s why It and Girls Trip were events, but King Arthur and The Mummy were not.
In the final analysis, you still need to make a good movie. The best in writing, acting, directing, etc. if you want people to come.
But then again, he offers this.......Quote:
In the end, Solo had little to offer that was fresh and had little to sell beyond being a movie that happened to be part of the Star Wars universe. But in 2018, an event movie featuring a generic white guy in the lead is that much less of an event movie, and merely being a big-budget fantasy spectacle isn’t enough. Giving certain demographics, a still too rare opportunity to root for heroes that look like them can help create demographically-specific event movies. Thus, from a certain point of view, white male movie stars may indeed be box office poison.
Are White guys still in charge?
SGG
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You know Jewels, that was actually a well thought out response.
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:This really seems to focus the fact that Solo was jinxed, by being the unfortunate entry which followed the dreck that was TLJ.
Originally posted by Zeek:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yep... I called it.
This is getting too predictable.
As 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' Flops, Are Movies About White Men Box Office Poison?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmend
elson/2018/05/29/as-solo-a-star-wars-story-flops-are-movies-about-white-men-box-office-poison/#674240cd5d49
Of course that's the take-away here. What else could it be?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Actually the rumors are that Lucasfilm's take away is that Solo released too quickly after The Last Jedi and people weren't ready for more Star Wars.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I don't know. Throughout your post and quotes, the nagging horror seems to be you are arguing for a Jar Jar Binks Story. Did Lucas really ruin the entirety of filmdom when he allowed Jar Jar screen time?
I think it's possible that Jar Jar would have had an amazing story arc had Lucas done episodes 7, 8 and 9.
Subversion of expectations. A lost art in Hollywood.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yep... I called it.
This is getting too predictable.
As 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' Flops, Are Movies About White Men Box Office Poison?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/29/as-solo-a-star-
wars-story-flops-are-movies-about-white-men-box-office-poison/#674240cd5d49
Of course that's the take-away here. What else could it be?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The social justice warriors are blaming everyone except themselves. They can't accept the fact that episode 8 was the straw.
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