This is Why Trump is a SCUMBAG!
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There's really no point in having any debate at this juncture.
All we need to do is sit back and watch the Leftists apparently go insane like they have the last week or so.
I don't know what's got you all riled up, all of the sudden, but you're practically ensuring that Trump is going to be re-elected.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:RF has gone full-on troll, and a lot of the so-called left has gone whack-a-doodle. Yanno, I hated GWB with a passion. I loathed the man and his entire coterie of vicious war-mongering feed-the-wealthy neocons who thought nothing of killing a million Middle-Easterners as well as getting thousands of our soldiers killed and so many more maimed, based on a series of lies and bullshit.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There's really no point in having any debate at this juncture.
All we need to do is sit back and watch the Leftists apparently go insane like they have the last week or so.
I don't know what's got you all riled up, all of the sudden, but you're practically ensuring that Trump is going to be re-elected.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
But that didn't keep me from seeing Bill Clinton's and Barrack Obama's MANY and glaring faults, which ran - unsurprisingly!- along the very same lines as GWB.
It's a POLICY problem, not a personality one. It doesn't matter whether the President is a smooth talker like Bill and Barrack, or an apparent stumble-bum like GWB: Foreign "interventions" and provocations, the wealth gap and job loss ... have only gotten worse and worse since Clinton. Bush and Obama were no exceptions.
Trump, for all his many faults, is doing something VERY different. I disagree 120% with his "trickle-down" vision, but I hope he makes progress in withdrawing from our far-too-many military engagements (on behalf of the wealthy and powerful), re-balancing our trade imbalances and restoring our sovereign rights.
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SHINY, I'll do my best to dispense with the egregious insults if you do.
My point continues to be: As the nation with the overwhelmingly largest military force in the world (and the budget deficit to prove it) we must FIRST, DO NO HARM. Now, bombing, shooting, shelling, and torturing people - or paying, training and equipping others to do it for you ... CLEARLY does harm, so before we start down that road we have to make sure that we aren't doing more harm than good. The only way I know to ensure THAT is to make sure that you only use violence to directly defend yourself or others against violence. Otherwise you will probably wind up killing people because of "communism" or "freedom" or some other rationalization, and wind up doing far more harm than good.
One of the other problems using violence to achieve political ends is that once that process starts, only the most violent will get their way. In a nation with elections, there is absolutely no purpose to initiating or stoking violence, and any group that does that should be immediately suspect. That includes us.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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You really hate that I own you every time we argue, don't you, pussy?
Well, get used to it. You're a liar, while I bask in the light of truth, logic, reason and fact; 4 things you're not acquainted with.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:RF has gone full-on troll, and a lot of the so-called left has gone whack-a-doodle. Yanno, I hated GWB with a passion. I loathed the man and his entire coterie of vicious war-mongering feed-the-wealthy neocons who thought nothing of killing a million Middle-Easterners as well as getting thousands of our soldiers killed and so many more maimed, based on a series of lies and bullshit.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There's really no point in having any debate at this juncture.
All we need to do is sit back and watch the Leftists apparently go insane like they have the last week or so.
I don't know what's got you all riled up, all of the sudden, but you're practically ensuring that Trump is going to be re-elected.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
But that didn't keep me from seeing Bill Clinton's and Barrack Obama's MANY and glaring faults, which ran - unsurprisingly!- along the very same lines as GWB.
It's a POLICY problem, not a personality one. It doesn't matter whether the President is a smooth talker like Bill and Barrack, or an apparent stumble-bum like GWB: Foreign "interventions" and provocations, the wealth gap and job loss ... have only gotten worse and worse since Clinton. Bush and Obama were no exceptions.
Trump, for all his many faults, is doing something VERY different. I disagree 120% with his "trickle-down" vision, but I hope he makes progress in withdrawing from our far-too-many military engagements (on behalf of the wealthy and powerful), re-balancing our trade imbalances and restoring our sovereign rights.
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SHINY, I'll do my best to dispense with the egregious insults if you do.
My point continues to be: As the nation with the overwhelmingly largest military force in the world (and the budget deficit to prove it) we must FIRST, DO NO HARM. Now, bombing, shooting, shelling, and torturing people - or paying, training and equipping others to do it for you ... CLEARLY does harm, so before we start down that road we have to make sure that we aren't doing more harm than good. The only way I know to ensure THAT is to make sure that you only use violence to directly defend yourself or others against violence. Otherwise you will probably wind up killing people because of "communism" or "freedom" or some other rationalization, and wind up doing far more harm than good.
One of the other problems using violence to achieve political ends is that once that process starts, only the most violent will get their way. In a nation with elections, there is absolutely no purpose to initiating or stoking violence, and any group that does that should be immediately suspect. That includes us.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
I would just ignore RF or talk about him as though he isn't actually here from now on without every addressing him directly. It's apparent that he has absolutely nothing of value to say, and he's just looking for some attention, which up to this point we've sadly given him.
Just ignore him and he'll disappear again.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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That's because my presence here really highlights your inferiority.
You suddenly realize that any "culling" would begin with you, the weakest link of them all.
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Quote:Oh, I totally agree; that's why I was talking "about" RF, but to SHINY.
I would just ignore RF or talk about him as though he isn't actually here from now
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:To stop endless war, raise taxes. Until the public has to pay extra for war, it won’t demand peace. But the GOP is opposed to raising taxes. The Democrats are not.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
My point continues to be: As the nation with the overwhelmingly largest military force in the world (and the budget deficit to prove it) we must FIRST, DO NO HARM. Now, bombing, shooting, shelling, and torturing people - or paying, training and equipping others to do it for you ... CLEARLY does harm, so before we start down that road we have to make sure that we aren't doing more harm than good. The only way I know to ensure THAT is to make sure that you only use violence to directly defend yourself or others against violence. Otherwise you will probably wind up killing people because of "communism" or "freedom" or some other rationalization, and wind up doing far more harm than good.
www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/6/18/17474368/war-taxes-iraq-afghanistan
-history-accountability-democracy
News stories say that Trump wants a sixth military branch, the Space Force. I could only name four: Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force because the fifth military branch is completely unlike the others: the Coast Guard. Their mission is to do no harm, same as Signym's "we must FIRST, DO NO HARM."
The other branches are designed only for doing harm. The Air Force with its H-bombs and the Navy with it subs for nuking civilians by the billions. If you’ve been in the Army or the Marines, you know those forces are overstaffed with men who really want to kill civilians to "protect" America. It is a joke, forget the word protect. They are itching to kill civilians. The philosophy and the psychology is kill civilians. Spread harm wherever you go. Until the generals in all military services think like the Coast Guard, there will be extraordinary amounts of unnecessary harm done. (Hellfire missile into a wedding.) It is harm that cannot be blamed on the President or the wealthy. But there is one exceptional President – Bush/Cheney.
Bush/Cheney was a worse president than Trump: he launched the Iraq War for oil that killed thousands of people and probably prevented us from winning the war in Afghanistan that we really needed to win. Trump hasn’t done that yet -- though he might, given time.
But there’s more to a president than that. There’s also the content of his character. I will never let Bush/Cheney off the hook for approving the torture of enemy combatants, but at least he had the excuse of doing it right after 9/11 and the decency of being kind of embarrassed about it (thus the euphemisms). Trump, by contrast, considers it “strong” to loudly and proudly support torture -- and the worse the better. Bush/Cheney also wasn’t racist, something he demonstrated a number of times. Trump appeals to the worst kind of racist and xenophobic sentiment, and he’s dragged the entire Republican Party along with him. Bush/Cheney lied like any other politician when he needed to, but Trump casually lies about everything just for the hell of it. He’s also ignorant, deliberately nasty, and has based nearly his entire presidency on taking revenge against Barack Obama. I could go on.
This makes Trump far worse to take on a daily basis.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Trump also has his brownshirts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Guard
Lion Guard's name came from a tweet in which Trump quoted Benito Mussolini.[5]
How many US presidents ever quoted Mussolini, or read Hitler's speeches for inspiration?
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Donald Trump flips on North Korea, declaring country still an 'extraordinary threat'
President extended the ‘national emergency’ for one year in an executive order, re-authorizing economic restrictions
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/22/trump-north-korea-extr
aordinary-threat-nuclear-program
Oopsie! I guess we're not bestest buddies after all...
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Trump’s New Argument: If We Don’t Separate Families at the Border, “Illegal Aliens” Will Murder American Kids
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/06/trump-family-separation-sa
ys-undocumented-immigrants-kill-american-kids.html
Trump also suggested, contrary to the available evidence, that undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a higher rate than legal citizens:
I hear that oh, no, this population is safer than the people that live in the country. You’ve heard that, fellows, right? I hear so much. I say is that possible? The answer is not true. You hear like they’re better people than what we have, our citizens. It’s not true.
He later repeated one bereaved father’s unsourced claim that 63,000 Americans have been killed by undocumented immigrants since 9/11, adding that the number “is very low because things aren’t reported.” Sleuthing by the Washington Post’s Philip Bump indicates the 63,000 number comes from a long-debunked claim about immigrant homicide rates by borderline-white nationalist Iowa Rep. Steve King. (Some of the parents at the event had children who were killed not in homicides but in impaired-driving accidents—but by my quick calculations, the 63,000 number would not be accurate even if you combined an accurate estimate of the number of homicides committed by undocumented individuals with an estimate of drunk driving deaths caused by same that assumes that they cause a portion of such deaths commensurate with their portion of the U.S. population.)
How many lies will it take, trolls?
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Analysis Finds Geographic Overlap In Opioid Use And Trump Support In 2016
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/06/23/622692550/analysi
s-finds-geographic-overlap-in-opioid-use-and-trump-support-in-2016?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20180623
That explains a lot. You'd have to be high to vote for a fascist.
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Oh, dear! The fake story about Hillary's health was only carried by 2 papers: National Enquirer and the KKK newsletter.
Blumpy's tiny hands must be trembling!
Won't play. Oh, well.
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Conservative George Will says vote against Republicans in midterms
Published: June 23, 2018 10:09 a.m. ET
Calling lame duck House Speaker Paul Ryan and others the “president’s poodles,” conservative columnist George Will says the virtual radio silence from Republicans in power over President Trump’s border policy means the GOP has to go.
Trump’s “zero tolerance” policy at the border was “the most telegenic example of misrule” and it provided “fresh if redundant evidence for the principle by which” independents and moderate Republicans should vote in the November midterms, Will wrote Friday in the Washington Post. As part of the policy — which Trump pinned on loopholes created by Democrats — families were separated and young children held in questionable conditions before the president later reversed the separation mandate.
Will said a GOP majority’s position to fill any upcoming Supreme Court vacancies is too high a price to pay for undermining the executive and legislative dysfunction he tagged in this column and other comments.
Writes Will, “the congressional Republican caucuses must be substantially reduced. So substantially that their remnants, reduced to minorities, will be stripped of the Constitution’s Article I powers that they have been too invertebrate to use against the current wielder of Article II powers.”
“They will then have leisure time to wonder why they worked so hard to achieve membership in a legislature whose unexercised muscles have atrophied because of people like them,” he said.
“Not because James Madison’s system has failed but because today’s abject careerists have failed to be worthy of it,” Will wrote. “Congressional Republicans (congressional Democrats are equally supine toward Democratic presidents) have no higher ambition than to placate this president.”
Party criticism comes after a tumultuous week for Trump.
More at www.marketwatch.com/story/conservative-george-will-says-vote-against-r
epublicans-in-midterms-2018-06-23
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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SARAH SANDERS REPORTEDLY THROWN OUT OF VIRGINIA RESTAURANT, THEN THE YELP REVIEW BATTLE BEGAN
http://www.newsweek.com/sarah-sanders-reportedly-thrown-out-virginia-r
estaurant-then-yelp-reviews-992762
Fantastic! As Blumpy's team is starting to learn, you can't be a fascist from 9-5, then just go out and chill.
Zero tolerance for Nazis.
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Gaslighting is a tactic of psychological abuse in which the victim is made to doubt their own sanity, only here the abuser is the White House, and the victim is the American people. The Trump administration is sending up so many conflicting versions of reality that they make us doubt what is and is not real. The past week alone has provided one of the most gruesome examples of this, as it seeks to confuse and distract us from the plight of about 2,300 immigrant children separated from their families with no plan for being reunited. Those children are being held in detention centers, or flown across the country, with no guarantee that they will ever see their parents again. On Thursday, Trump signed an executive order which he claimed would end family separation; it does so only in name. The so-called “zero-tolerance” policy will still be enforced, but now the Trump administration plans to hold families in detention centers together and indefinitely. They have made no statement on efforts for reuniting the families who have already been torn apart — but it doesn’t look like it will be happening anytime soon.
There was so much deception in regard to this policy, the explanations emerging from the White House began to seem like Wheel of Fortune but for disinformation. Amid public outrage over family separation at the border, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristjen Nielsen claimed that the Trump administration had no such policy. That tweet was still on her feed when she drafted the executive order to end family separation at the border: effectively ending a policy she had claimed did not exist less than a week earlier.
Before that, there were various attempts to obliterate any reasonable comprehension of the issue. Trump said that Congress needed to act — claiming that his administration was simply upholding the laws and ambiguously (and falsely) blaming Democrats. In fact, there is no law enforcing family separation at the border. The decision to separate immigrant children from their parents comes from a policy enforced by the Trump administration in which all immigrants illegally crossing the border are prosecuted.
Attorney General Jeff Sessions was the foremost advocate for the zero-tolerance approach, and, he too engaged in an aggressive campaign of deception. He tried to cite the Bible as grounds for the administration's policies, an excuse that was instantly met with pushback from a number of Christian groups. Then, on Thursday, he said that the Trump administration “never really intended” to separate families, despite being on-the-record, on camera saying precisely the opposite.
All of this came amid optics that further scrambled the conversation. Nielsen and senior White House advisor Stephen Miller, a key architect of the zero-tolerance policy that led to family separation, were both chased out of Mexican restaurants. As the furor mounted over the impossible cruelty of stealing children from their parents at the Mexican border, it would require Olympic-level mental gymnastics to explain that there was not some deliberation in this choice. Such was the calculation that surrounded all of the White House’s conduct around the zero-tolerance policy.
On Wednesday, Trump ended his own family separation policy with an executive order, which was also an unnecessary display. The President seems to enjoy the pageantry of signing his name in front of the cameras, although he could have ended family separation with a call to the Department of Homeland Security. While the White House has said about family separation everything from it is necessary, to it is not happening, to it is the fault of Democrats, or a sacred duty, Trump was capable of stopping it all by picking up the phone. True to form, the President wanted applause, and Ivanka Trump tweeted in praise of her father. He wanted a congratulations for putting a stop to his own cruelty in an effort to confuse you into thinking he’s actually the good guy. This is gaslighting.
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/donald-trump-still-gaslighting-ame
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Quote:You can't be serious. Since when did changing the party of the President, and raising or lowering taxes, ever change our warmongering policy? Obama toppled as many governments as Bush, the only difference is that Obama did it "on the cheap" ... by using (CIA) drone strikes, proxies, the State Department, and contractors instead of giant expen$ive boots-on-the-ground invasions. Like Obama said: a more "flexible" military. The end result is the same no matter which party is in power: Nations are destabilized and impoverished which results in waves of migrants.
To stop endless war, raise taxes. Until the public has to pay extra for war, it won’t demand peace. But the GOP is opposed to raising taxes. The Democrats are not.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Time magazine cover showing President Trump looking down on a crying 2-year-old Honduran girl.
Of course now we know that the “crying girl” story was totally fake news. That girl was never separated from her mother, and they had paid a smuggler six thousand dollars to get them across the border.
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What's the difference between a garbanzo bean and a Russian chickpea?
Trump hasn't had a garbanzo bean all over his bed.
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MICHELLE WOLF JABS HUCKABEE SANDERS FOR GETTING THROWN OUT OF RESTAURANT: 'NO SHIRT, NO MORALS, NO SERVICE'
http://www.newsweek.com/michelle-wolf-sarah-huckabee-sanders-thrown-ou
t-restaurant-no-morals-no-992886
She's great! Her show on Netflix is great, too.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
What's the difference between a garbanzo bean and a Russian chickpea?
Trump hasn't had a garbanzo bean all over his bed.
I'm pretty sure he has.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Typical reichwinger. Based on a true story. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-washingtondc-gunman-idUSKBN16V1XC
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lol
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Donald Trump, the tough guy who makes the Hard Decisions, cancels the Congressional Picnic. “It didn’t feel right” while he’s working on “something really important.” But he still has time for rallies and fund-raisers.
www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/06/donald-trump-congressional-picnic
On Wednesday morning, White House cooks were flipping steaks and unboxing popcorn machines ahead of the yearly congressional picnic. Within the hour, the picnic was scrubbed, the steaks on ice, and the popcorn machines trucked away.
A day earlier, President Donald Trump enthusiastically told House Republicans in the Capitol basement he was behind them "1,000%" in their attempts to pass an immigration bill. On Friday he dismissed the effort as a waste of time.
Speaking to reporters as the humanitarian crisis worsened, Trump brushed away a question about his options: "You can't do it through an executive order," he said on the North Lawn. Five days later, he sat at his desk in the Oval Office attempting to do just that.
Trump's go-it-alone strategy ends in chaos and confusion. When in danger or in doubt, Trump runs in circles, screams and shouts.
www.cnn.com/2018/06/23/politics/donald-trump-immigration-week-chaos/in
dex.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Time magazine cover showing President Trump looking down on a crying 2-year-old Honduran girl.
Of course now we know that the “crying girl” story was totally fake news. That girl was never separated from her mother, and they had paid a smuggler six thousand dollars to get them across the border.
This Obama-era pilot program kept asylum-seeking migrant families together. Trump canceled it.
The Family Case Management Program, launched as a pilot in early 2016, aimed to keep asylum seeking kin together, out of detention, and complying with immigration laws. It was praised by immigration advocates for both its high rate of compliance and its ability to help migrants thrive in a new country — right up until the Trump administration shuttered it almost exactly a year ago.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/obama-era-
pilot-program-kept-asylum-seeking-migrant-families-together-n885896
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Quote:Oh, so "Obama did it, too" doesn't really fly? Whodathunkit?
Originally posted by JJ:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Time magazine cover showing President Trump looking down on a crying 2-year-old Honduran girl.
Of course now we know that the “crying girl” story was totally fake news. That girl was never separated from her mother, and they had paid a smuggler six thousand dollars to get them across the border.
This Obama-era pilot program kept asylum-seeking migrant families together. Trump canceled it.
The Family Case Management Program, launched as a pilot in early 2016, aimed to keep asylum seeking kin together, out of detention, and complying with immigration laws. It was praised by immigration advocates for both its high rate of compliance and its ability to help migrants thrive in a new country — right up until the Trump administration shuttered it almost exactly a year ago.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/obama-era-
pilot-program-kept-asylum-seeking-migrant-families-together-n885896
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Reichwing trolls = 0. Righteous patriots = 1.
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Sarah Sanders is upset a restaurant wouldn’t serve her. She’s OK with it happening to gays.
Restaurant-gate is really about the Trump administration’s commitment to courting divisiveness.
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/23/17497742/sarah-sanders-restaurant-red-he
n-friday-asked-to-leave-gay-wedding-cake
As Trump’s press secretary, Sanders defends his his many lies, his attacks, and his policies. She does her job with a sheen of professionalism, but that’s not the same as respect.
Sanders is fine with a business hanging up a sign ‘we don’t bake cakes for gay weddings’
The irony of restaurant-gate is that Sanders supports the owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop, Jack Phillips, who refused to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex couple in Colorado. The owner of the Red Hen, Stephanie Wilkinson, told the Washington Post one reason she asked Sanders to leave was because of Sanders’ stances on gay rights. The staff includes several gay workers. The staff was also deeply upset about Sanders’ defense of Trump’s family separation policy, she said.
“I would have done the same thing again,” Wilkinson told the Post. “We just felt there are moments in time when people need to live their convictions. This appeared to be one.”
Sanders understands the idea of convictions and business. The owner of the bakery in Colorado opposes same sex marriage on the grounds of his Christian beliefs and so, he argues, baking a wedding cake for two men would infringe on his First Amendment rights. Initially the Colorado Civil Rights Commission sided with the couple, but earlier this month the Supreme Court ruled narrowly on the facts of the case, siding with Phillips 7-2.
In response to the Supreme Court’s decision, Sanders told the press she and the Trump administration “are pleased with the Supreme Court’s decision.”
At this rate, she won't be able to eat anywhere! LOL! BOOM!
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There you go, minimizing the horror of our "interventions", which are bloody and painful to the people that we "help".
During the Vietnam War, I saw a movie called "Hearts and Minds" and it made OUR VICTIMS very real to me, not just some colorless abstraction of "body counts" or tallies of "civilians killed", but people who lived, and then suffered and died at our hands. Mothers crying over the bodies of their babies, children crying over the coffins of their fathers.
It took a documentary movie, with none of the gore removed, to wake me up and make me understand what, exactly, we were doing to the people that we were "helping". Well, I can't make you sit down and watch Hearts and Minds; all I can do is post a few pictures and a few descriptions and hope that, somehow, reality will sink in and horror will follow.
What I find so terrible is that all of you people who CLAIM to be such nice, "caring" people can get so very, very tweaked about a child crying or about some concept like "human rights" can somehow ignore the literal mountains of bodies that we leave in our wake. Well, when I hear a child crying I just want to scoop them up and give them a hug. But let's be clear: This child is not dead, and neither are his or her parents. The problem is fixable, and should be fixed. Maybe we should start by NOT KILLING PEOPLE IN FOREIGN LANDS AND MAKING THEIR NATIONS HELLHOLES. Do you think THAT might be a good start? Or is that just too complicated for you?
Where is your sense of proportion, or reality? Don't you have any sorrow, or pity, or shame?
Apparently not! YOUR only reaction to the pictures of our victims is to attack me, personally, so you can once again deny reality, just as GSTRING's reaction is to attack me personally so that he can continue to minimize the awfulness. Why would you do that? Why would HE do that? Why would ANYone do that?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
The racist see's the cartoons of Trump and posts lol. The rest of us think this is really sad.
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Quote:Oh, so "Obama did it, too" doesn't really fly? Whodathunkit?
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:
Originally posted by JJ:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Time magazine cover showing President Trump looking down on a crying 2-year-old Honduran girl.
Of course now we know that the “crying girl” story was totally fake news. That girl was never separated from her mother, and they had paid a smuggler six thousand dollars to get them across the border.
This Obama-era pilot program kept asylum-seeking migrant families together. Trump canceled it.
The Family Case Management Program, launched as a pilot in early 2016, aimed to keep asylum seeking kin together, out of detention, and complying with immigration laws. It was praised by immigration advocates for both its high rate of compliance and its ability to help migrants thrive in a new country — right up until the Trump administration shuttered it almost exactly a year ago.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/obama-era-
pilot-program-kept-asylum-seeking-migrant-families-together-n885896
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Reichwing trolls = 0. Righteous patriots = 1.
Right riverfan, they are proven wrong in every thread yet they keep posting lies and falsehoods. Why, because they are sick riverfan, because they are very very sick.
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THERE GOES THUGR, BUSY IGNORING THIS. Keep covering for our atrocities, son. You do us all proud. 
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There you go, minimizing the horror of our "interventions", which are bloody and painful to the people that we "help".
During the Vietnam War, I saw a movie called "Hearts and Minds" and it made OUR VICTIMS very real to me, not just some colorless abstraction of "body counts" or tallies of "civilians killed", but people who lived, and then suffered and died at our hands. Mothers crying over the bodies of their babies, children crying over the coffins of their fathers.
It took a documentary movie, with none of the gore removed, to wake me up and make me understand what, exactly, we were doing to the people that we were "helping". Well, I can't make you sit down and watch Hearts and Minds; all I can do is post a few pictures and a few descriptions and hope that, somehow, reality will sink in and horror will follow.
What I find so terrible is that all of you people who CLAIM to be such nice, "caring" people can get so very, very tweaked about a child crying or about some concept like "human rights" can somehow ignore the literal mountains of bodies that we leave in our wake. Well, when I hear a child crying I just want to scoop them up and give them a hug. But let's be clear: This child is not dead, and neither are his or her parents. The problem is fixable, and should be fixed. Maybe we should start by NOT KILLING PEOPLE IN FOREIGN LANDS AND MAKING THEIR NATIONS HELLHOLES. Do you think THAT might be a good start? Or is that just too complicated for you?
Where is your sense of proportion, or reality? Don't you have any sorrow, or pity, or shame?
Apparently not! YOUR only reaction to the pictures of our victims is to attack me, personally, so you can once again deny reality, just as GSTRING's reaction is to attack me personally so that he can continue to minimize the awfulness. Why would you do that? Why would HE do that? Why would ANYone do that?
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Sig is really losing it. Get help you sick russian bitch. Wow, what a worm.
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Oh, wow, the person who "cares" so much about people wants to ignore the atrocities that we committed. The appropriate reaction to these pictures is recognition and horror, and a commitment not to do this again. Your sickness, THUGR, is covering up these atrocities by trying to deny them, and trying to get other people to deny them too. Just like I said you would.
First things first: Who's the "scumbag" here? The President who ordered these deaths? The apologists who cover for them? Yanno, let's start with the BIG crimes before we drill down on the lesser ones.
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Trump's visit to Britain faces mass protest marches — and a giant baby blimp
Campaigners plan to ridicule the president, whose visit is deeply unpopular.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-s-visit-britain-faces-mass-pr
otest-marches-giant-baby-n885321
Countries with more independent press really loathe him. And a Blumpy blimp! They really captured his essence with that. BOOM!
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Poor bastard, you have swallowed way too much Kool-Aid to be able to see where
this is going. Truthfully, this will not end well.
SGG
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There's really no point in having any debate at this juncture.
All we need to do is sit back and watch the Leftists apparently go insane like they have the last week or so.
I don't know what's got you all riled up, all of the sudden, but you're practically ensuring that Trump is going to be re-elected.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Forget it
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:RF has gone full-on troll, and a lot of the so-called left has gone whack-a-doodle. Yanno, I hated GWB with a passion. I loathed the man and his entire coterie of vicious war-mongering feed-the-wealthy neocons who thought nothing of killing a million Middle-Easterners as well as getting thousands of our soldiers killed and so many more maimed, based on a series of lies and bullshit.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There's really no point in having any debate at this juncture.
All we need to do is sit back and watch the Leftists apparently go insane like they have the last week or so.
I don't know what's got you all riled up, all of the sudden, but you're practically ensuring that Trump is going to be re-elected.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
But that didn't keep me from seeing Bill Clinton's and Barrack Obama's MANY and glaring faults, which ran - unsurprisingly!- along the very same lines as GWB.
It's a POLICY problem, not a personality one. It doesn't matter whether the President is a smooth talker like Bill and Barrack, or an apparent stumble-bum like GWB: Foreign "interventions" and provocations, the wealth gap and job loss ... have only gotten worse and worse since Clinton. Bush and Obama were no exceptions.
Trump, for all his many faults, is doing something VERY different. I disagree 120% with his "trickle-down" vision, but I hope he makes progress in withdrawing from our far-too-many military engagements (on behalf of the wealthy and powerful), re-balancing our trade imbalances and restoring our sovereign rights.
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SHINY, I'll do my best to dispense with the egregious insults if you do.
My point continues to be: As the nation with the overwhelmingly largest military force in the world (and the budget deficit to prove it) we must FIRST, DO NO HARM. Now, bombing, shooting, shelling, and torturing people - or paying, training and equipping others to do it for you ... CLEARLY does harm, so before we start down that road we have to make sure that we aren't doing more harm than good. The only way I know to ensure THAT is to make sure that you only use violence to directly defend yourself or others against violence. Otherwise you will probably wind up killing people because of "communism" or "freedom" or some other rationalization, and wind up doing far more harm than good.
One of the other problems using violence to achieve political ends is that once that process starts, only the most violent will get their way. In a nation with elections, there is absolutely no purpose to initiating or stoking violence, and any group that does that should be immediately suspect. That includes us.
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I almost choked on my coffee when I heard this. Imagine, conservative George Will.
SGG
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Originally posted by second:
Conservative George Will says vote against Republicans in midterms
Published: June 23, 2018 10:09 a.m. ET
Calling lame duck House Speaker Paul Ryan and others the “president’s poodles,” conservative columnist George Will says the virtual radio silence from Republicans in power over President Trump’s border policy means the GOP has to go.
Trump’s “zero tolerance” policy at the border was “the most telegenic example of misrule” and it provided “fresh if redundant evidence for the principle by which” independents and moderate Republicans should vote in the November midterms, Will wrote Friday in the Washington Post. As part of the policy — which Trump pinned on loopholes created by Democrats — families were separated and young children held in questionable conditions before the president later reversed the separation mandate.
Will said a GOP majority’s position to fill any upcoming Supreme Court vacancies is too high a price to pay for undermining the executive and legislative dysfunction he tagged in this column and other comments.
Writes Will, “the congressional Republican caucuses must be substantially reduced. So substantially that their remnants, reduced to minorities, will be stripped of the Constitution’s Article I powers that they have been too invertebrate to use against the current wielder of Article II powers.”
“They will then have leisure time to wonder why they worked so hard to achieve membership in a legislature whose unexercised muscles have atrophied because of people like them,” he said.
“Not because James Madison’s system has failed but because today’s abject careerists have failed to be worthy of it,” Will wrote. “Congressional Republicans (congressional Democrats are equally supine toward Democratic presidents) have no higher ambition than to placate this president.”
Party criticism comes after a tumultuous week for Trump.
More at www.marketwatch.com/story/conservative-george-will-says-vote-against-r
epublicans-in-midterms-2018-06-23
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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In the spectrum of "scumbagginess", which is worse: Grabbing pussy, or killing a half-million children?
I propose, at the start of any ranking of Presidential scumbagginess, that we start out by counting the bodies of the dead and maimed left behind. Apply some rationality (rationality = the ability to ratio, to compare relative sizes) and objectivity to our thoughts. Does that sound reasonable?
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Well said.
shinygoodguy
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Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Your willful ignorance, along with that of about 60 million uneducated white racists, is the problem, and there's nothing amusing about it.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You Leftist zombies become more amusing every day.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Well, let's see....starting with Washington?
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In the spectrum of "scumbagginess", which is worse: Grabbing pussy, or killing a half-million children?
I propose, at the start of any ranking of Presidential scumbagginess, that we start out by counting the bodies of the dead and maimed left behind. Apply some rationality (rationality = the ability to ratio, to compare relative sizes) and objectivity to our thoughts. Does that sound reasonable?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Oh, we're doing this now?
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THERE GOES THUGR, BUSY IGNORING THIS. Keep covering for our atrocities, son. You do us all proud.Quote:
There you go, minimizing the horror of our "interventions", which are bloody and painful to the people that we "help".
During the Vietnam War, I saw a movie called "Hearts and Minds" and it made OUR VICTIMS very real to me, not just some colorless abstraction of "body counts" or tallies of "civilians killed", but people who lived, and then suffered and died at our hands. Mothers crying over the bodies of their babies, children crying over the coffins of their fathers.
It took a documentary movie, with none of the gore removed, to wake me up and make me understand what, exactly, we were doing to the people that we were "helping". Well, I can't make you sit down and watch Hearts and Minds; all I can do is post a few pictures and a few descriptions and hope that, somehow, reality will sink in and horror will follow.
What I find so terrible is that all of you people who CLAIM to be such nice, "caring" people can get so very, very tweaked about a child crying or about some concept like "human rights" can somehow ignore the literal mountains of bodies that we leave in our wake. Well, when I hear a child crying I just want to scoop them up and give them a hug. But let's be clear: This child is not dead, and neither are his or her parents. The problem is fixable, and should be fixed. Maybe we should start by NOT KILLING PEOPLE IN FOREIGN LANDS AND MAKING THEIR NATIONS HELLHOLES. Do you think THAT might be a good start? Or is that just too complicated for you?
Where is your sense of proportion, or reality? Don't you have any sorrow, or pity, or shame?
Apparently not! YOUR only reaction to the pictures of our victims is to attack me, personally, so you can once again deny reality, just as GSTRING's reaction is to attack me personally so that he can continue to minimize the awfulness. Why would you do that? Why would HE do that? Why would ANYone do that?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.
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Quote:Why not? It will bring SOME recognition to the fact that our nation was born in genocide as well as slavery and the concept of democracy.
Well, let's see....starting with Washington?- SGG
But if you want to make this an easier comparison, how about starting with Kennedy?
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No liberals approved of our adventures in the middle east. We were ignored, as usual.
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"Christian" TV host defends child concentration camps, calls kids "unclean" "debased" "god-haters"
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/21/1774163/--Christian-TV-host
-defends-child-concentration-camps-calls-kids-unclean-debased-god-haters?detail=emaildkre
“Rape after rape after rape,” Valentine said. “Children below 10 years old engaging in sexual activity. All kinds of sin and disgrace and darkness; the pit of the pits. So we’re not getting the top-of-the-line echelon people coming over this border, we’re getting criminals. I mean, total criminals that are so debased and their minds are just gone. They’re unclean, they’re murderers, they’re treacherous, they’re God-haters.”
— www.rightwingwatch.org/...
She’s echoing Trump’s words directly. Trump used the framing “they’re not sending the best, they’re sending...”. That’s what Valentine is copying here.
Along with “infest” this attempt to dehumanize children. 10 year old children, is exactly out of the playbook of the KKK, Nazis and other fascist, sectarian organizations. If this sort of rhetoric takes hold in a society, there are numerous examples of it being used to justify ethnic cleansing or genocide.
Trump TV!
These people are vile. http://www.valentinespa.com/
She has a show on QVC. GET HER FIRED!
Susan Hennessey
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@Susan_Hennessey
This is a good time to recall that we have never been given an even remotely satisfactory response to strong evidence that Melania Trump violated US immigration law and that she promised to produced documentary evidence in defense and then never did.
Peter Baker
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@peterbakernyt
Melania Trump is traveling to Texas today to visit a detention facility at the center of her husband's family separation policy.
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Quote:I seem to recall a lot of people here who CALLED themselves liberals, and a lot of people here who claim to be Democrats, who were all hot to trot to destroy Libya and Syria because, yanno, Obama was leading R2P.
Originally posted by reaverfan:
No liberals approved of our adventures in the middle east. We were ignored, as usual
"Liberals" here bemoan the thought of Trump making peace with N Korea or Russia because, yanno, Trump might get credit.
Further back, an awful lot of Democratic Congresspeople voted for the "Global War on Terror" which justified Iraq and Afghanistan.
Not seeing a whole lot of consistency from so-called liberals, who seem to be on par with neocons when it comes to getting out those missiles. Democrats in particular seem to go to sleep and "not notice' when THEIR party starts piling up the bodies.
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How much fiction are you going to make up out of thin air today? LOL!
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Shall I find the relevant posts and information? Because you're clearly ignorant of the people here, and a liar as well as a troll.
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Won't change the fact that what I said is true.
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Originally posted by REAVERFAN:
Won't change the fact that what I said is true.
Says the compulsive liar.
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Quote:Seventy-Two Percent of Americans Support War Against Iraq
Sunday, June 24, 2018 2:08 PM
Originally posted by reaverfan:
No liberals approved of our adventures in the middle east. We were ignored, as usual.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/.../seventytwo-percent-americans-support-
war-against-iraq.a...
Bush approval up 13 points to 71% Seventy-two percent of Americans interviewed in a new CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll conducted Saturday and Sunday favor the war against Iraq, while 25% are opposed.
I guess only 28% of americans are liberal.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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Yes, I know. People exactly like Trump existed back in the day, so much so
that thousands upon tens of thousands died and suffered.
But this topic is focused upon Trump being a scumbag.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Why not? It will bring SOME recognition to the fact that our nation was born in genocide as well as slavery and the concept of democracy.
Well, let's see....starting with Washington?- SGG
But if you want to make this an easier comparison, how about starting with Kennedy?
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by REAVERFAN:
Won't change the fact that what I said is true.
Says the compulsive liar.
It is known: when SIG calls someone a liar it means they have been telling the truth, and she can't stand that.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I seem to recall a lot of people here who CALLED themselves liberals, and a lot of people here who claim to be Democrats, who were all hot to trot to destroy Libya and Syria because, yanno, Obama was leading R2P.
Shall I find the relevant posts and information? Because you're clearly ignorant of the people here, and a liar as well as a troll.
Yes - find those relevant posts. I can't wait to see you make more shit up. "When you said this... you really meant this!" "You never said anything about this... so that means you meant this!"
Lie away - I'll wait.
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Quote:First the execution, THEN the trial, eh SHINY?
But this topic is focused upon Trump being a scumbag.- SHINY
Yeah, I know ... it's so frustrating when topics go out of control like that! Especially when people insist on bringing countervailing evidence!
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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
... in which GSTRING, KRAPO, THUGR, and (sometimes) SECOND repeatedly support the "FSA" - ie, al Nusra and other jihadists - in their effort to topple Assad and destroy Syria.
And of course, Democrats like Hillary and Feinstein voting "for" the Iraq war is a matter of historical record; it would be impossible to deny or cover up.
As for Libya, THUGR repeatedly thumped for our "intervention" there
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Like a Lying FedEx van, SIGNYM delivers!
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
... in which GSTRING, KRAPO, THUGR, and (sometimes) SECOND repeatedly support the "FSA" - ie, al Nusra and other jihadists - in their effort to topple Assad and destroy Syria.
Lie. Where exactly? I can cite a link to any thread and say, "see!" You need specifics - copy and paste them here.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And of course, Democrats like Hillary and Feinstein voting "for" the Iraq war is a matter of historical record; it would be impossible to deny or cover up.
OMG - do Hillary and Diane post here?
Again: SIGNYM = Big Fat F*cking lies.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
As for Libya, THUGR repeatedly thumped for our "intervention" there
Huh? Specifics and cites dearie, or it's just you fabricating sh*t again.
It feels like you have completely sold out without any concern for how bad it makes you look, am I right? Are you and KKKiki here just to agitate?
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Quote:I am assuming that this is to support the facts that the Trolls and other Libtards supported antics in Middle East.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
... in which GSTRING, KRAPO, THUGR, and (sometimes) SECOND repeatedly support the "FSA" - ie, al Nusra and other jihadists - in their effort to topple Assad and destroy Syria.
And of course, Democrats like Hillary and Feinstein voting "for" the Iraq war is a matter of historical record; it would be impossible to deny or cover up.
As for Libya, THUGR repeatedly thumped for our "intervention" there
In a thread as scatter-brained as this one, it might help to include mention of that. I assume there are mountains of evidence for further factual posts.
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Quote:Seventy-Two Percent of Americans Support War Against Iraq
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Sunday, June 24, 2018 2:08 PM
Originally posted by reaverfan:
No liberals approved of our adventures in the middle east. We were ignored, as usual.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/.../seventytwo-percent-americans-support-
war-against-iraq.a...
Bush approval up 13 points to 71% Seventy-two percent of Americans interviewed in a new CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll conducted Saturday and Sunday favor the war against Iraq, while 25% are opposed.
I guess only 28% of americans are liberal.
72% believed the lies of our president and warmongering media. Only 25% saw through it.
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Trump attacks 'filthy' Red Hen restaurant for turning away Sarah Huckabee Sanders
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-tweets-
red-hen-restaurant-sarah-huckabee-sanders-a8415711.html?utm_source=reddit.com
LOL! Another ethics violation from our know-nothing Blumpy.
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A Trump Supporter Made A False Claim About Immigration Policy, So This Anchor Pulled Out The Receipts
"The control room is watching this. We'll get the sound bite and play it for the viewers."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasacks/cnn-amy-kremer-receipts?utm_term
=.bckj2wMZV#.rjKxW2d6A
Even after she was PROVEN wrong, she clung to her lies. Truth doesn't matter in Blumpyland. It's all about the feels.
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Sig offers up a link that is established to track Putin and Assads war crimes as evidence some of us here are for wars in the Middle East.
Meanwhile, all throughout the link sig and kiki defend Putin and Assad's atrocities. Warped, she is definitely warped.
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Sunday, June 24, 2018 2:08 PM
Originally posted by reaverfan:
No liberals approved of our adventures in the middle east. We were ignored, as usual.
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Seventy-Two Percent of Americans Support War Against Iraq
https://news.gallup.com/poll/.../seventytwo-percent-americans-support-
war-against-iraq.a...
Bush approval up 13 points to 71% Seventy-two percent of Americans interviewed in a new CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll conducted Saturday and Sunday favor the war against Iraq, while 25% are opposed.
I guess only 28% of americans are liberal.
Quote:Then that makes me a liberal.
Originally posted by reaverfan:
72% believed the lies of our president and warmongering media. Only 25% saw through it.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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Here's a funny. Someone who used to post here contacted me and said they were concerned enough about Russian propaganda being posted here that they contacted the FBI. Even sent them links and identities.
I told them I think we are dealing with the sick and some misplaced loyalties more than actual paid trolls.
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Sent IDENTITIES? REALLY?
THANKS FOR THE VEILED THREAT AFTER YEARS OF CALLING US RUSSIAN TROLLS.
And, thanks for more documentation.
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Seventy-Two Percent of Americans Support War Against Iraq
https://news.gallup.com/poll/.../seventytwo-percent-americans-support-
war-against-iraq.a...
Bush approval up 13 points to 71% Seventy-two percent of Americans interviewed in a new CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll conducted Saturday and Sunday favor the war against Iraq, while 25% are opposed.
I guess only 28% of americans are liberal.
Your link is not working. Do you have a better one?
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You mean you can't find it with all the info I gave you?
No wonder you're such an ignoranus.
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Sent IDENTITIES? REALLY?
THANKS FOR THE VEILED THREAT AFTER YEARS OF CALLING US RUSSIAN TROLLS.
And, thanks for more documentation.
You need to reread what I posted. Your response shows you don't understand what was written. And hey, we're all holding our collective breath while waiting for your and sigs lawyers to sue us as you've threatened several times now.
Nothing yet kiki. You may want to find better lawyers yes?
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For the last time: Trump inherited a good economy, and he hasn’t made it better
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/25/for-the-last-ti
me-trump-inherited-a-good-economy-and-he-hasnt-made-it-better/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e09ba66d6992
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Buyers tied to Russia, Soviet republics made 86 all cash sales for Trump properties worth $109 millions
http://amp.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/articl
e210477439.html
"Buyers connected to Russia or former Soviet republics made 86 all-cash sales — totaling nearly $109 million — at 10 Trump-branded properties in South Florida and New York City, according to a new analysis shared with McClatchy. Many of them made purchases using shell companies designed to obscure their identities." "“The size and scope of these cash purchases are deeply troubling as they can often signal money laundering activity," said Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee and a former federal prosecutor. "There have long been credible allegations of money laundering by the Trump Organization which, if true, would pose a real threat to the United States in the event that Russia were able to leverage evidence of illicit financial transactions"
Buyers include:
Anatoly Golubchik, found guilty in 2013 of operating a sports betting ring for a Russian-American organized crime group
Peter Kiritchenko, a Ukrainian businessman who prosecutors accused of laundering tens of millions of dollars
Eduard Nektalov, a Uzbeki diamond dealer was arrested on charges he laundered drug money
Aleksandr Burman, does not have a medical license, opened six clinics in Brooklyn as part of a scheme to defraud Medicare and New York State Medicaid programs of more than $26 million. Currently serving a 10 year prison sentence.
Chairman of an oil related rail company with ties to Putin and whos founder is under sanctions.
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Quote:Buyers connected to Russia or former Soviet Republics are ALSO buying properties from other real estate holders, and in London. I guess this means that Theresa May is in cahoots with Putin as well?
"Buyers connected to Russia or former Soviet republics made 86 all-cash sales — totaling nearly $109 million — at 10 Trump-branded properties in South Florida and New York City
Your article cites Ukrainian purchases in 2009, purchases by Crimean oligarchs form 2007-2009, a Russian oligarch's purchase in 2010 ... what the fuck does that have to do with today?
The reality is that oligarchs from China, Russia, and ex-Soviet republics are stashing with wealth in properties all over the world. NYC, London, Vancouver ... anywhere they think that real estate values will hold up, so they can move their ill-gotten gains out of the reach of their governments. The money outflow is in the BILLIONS of dollars.
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Buyers tied to Russia, Soviet republics made 86 all cash sales for Trump properties worth $109 millions
http://amp.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/articl
e210477439.html
"Buyers connected to Russia or former Soviet republics made 86 all-cash sales — totaling nearly $109 million — at 10 Trump-branded properties in South Florida and New York City, according to a new analysis shared with McClatchy. Many of them made purchases using shell companies designed to obscure their identities." "“The size and scope of these cash purchases are deeply troubling as they can often signal money laundering activity," said Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee and a former federal prosecutor. "There have long been credible allegations of money laundering by the Trump Organization which, if true, would pose a real threat to the United States in the event that Russia were able to leverage evidence of illicit financial transactions"
Buyers include:
Anatoly Golubchik, found guilty in 2013 of operating a sports betting ring for a Russian-American organized crime group
Peter Kiritchenko, a Ukrainian businessman who prosecutors accused of laundering tens of millions of dollars
Eduard Nektalov, a Uzbeki diamond dealer was arrested on charges he laundered drug money
Aleksandr Burman, does not have a medical license, opened six clinics in Brooklyn as part of a scheme to defraud Medicare and New York State Medicaid programs of more than $26 million. Currently serving a 10 year prison sentence.
Chairman of an oil related rail company with ties to Putin and whos founder is under sanctions.
Tick tock reaverfan. We know money and illegal dealings is why Trump has been kissing Putins' ass. Mueller knows it too. Let's hope there is so much of it he can make the case for conspiracy against Trump.
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THUGR: If the fact that foreigners purchased Trump-branded properties is any sort of indictment, then ALL sellers could be tagged.
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Trump, Whose Restaurant Has 78 Health-Code Violations, Calls Red Hen ‘Filthy’
https://www.thecut.com/2018/06/red-hen-donald-trump-tweet.html?utm_sou
rce=tw&utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=nym
Donald Trump Slams Red Hen, But Mar-a-lago Restaurant Has 'Dirty' History of Health Violations
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-red-hen-mar-lago-health-993790
"The Red Hen restaurant, located in Lexington Virginia, hasn’t seen any “critical” health code violations since 2014, when the restaurant was cited for not properly labeling stored grits and for storing raw beef above ready-to-eat food. The only other violation came in 2017, when it was cited for storing pickles in a jar that wasn’t from an approved food processing plant.
Outside of the kitchen, Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort has also been cited for general maintenance issues. In January 2018, the club was cited for two high-priority violations: missing concrete on a staircase that exposed steel rebar, and a lack of smoke detectors that could alert the hearing-impaired with flashing lights."
Whatever the truth is, Blumpy can be counted on to say the opposite.
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Quote:I'm the one who's been holding off. My lawyer is more than willing. But your claim of me being doxed to the FBI - just adds a whole new level of culpability for you. And completely blows your claim that I can't be harmed because this is an 'anonymous' website out of the water.
Originally posted by JJ:
Nothing yet kiki. You may want to find better lawyers yes?
My god, you're a stupid fuck.
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The Mueller probe is hammering Trump's allies with insane legal bills
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/9k87gz/the-mueller-probe-is-hammer
ing-trumps-allies-with-insane-legal-bills
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A person who has made illegal entry may apply for asylum. However, the US reserves the right to detain that person while determining his/ her status. If the status is determined to be ineligible, that person may be deported immediately, at the discretion of relevant officials. That person also becomes permanently ineligible for any type of legal stay in the US in the future.
http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/legal-options-undoc
umented-illegal-immigrant-stay.html
Entering the United States without approval is illegal. So is staying in the U.S. without permission after your visa or other authorized stay has expired. Even violating the terms of a legal entry can make your stay illegal.
The U.S. immigration law offers very few options to go from being illegal or undocumented immigrant to a U.S. permanent resident (with a green card).
You can apply for the right to stay in the U.S. if you qualify for asylum and apply within one year of your entry or the expiration of your authorized stay. You’ll need to show that you have been persecuted, or fear future persecution, in your home country, based on your race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group. The process involves submitting an application, together with detailed documentation of your membership in the group that you claim and the persecution that you faced or fear. If you are granted asylum, you can apply for a green card one year after your approval, and for U.S. citizenship four years after that. (If denied, you will be deported.).
https://immigration.findlaw.com/visas/immigration-through-adjustment-o
f-immigrant-status.html
Those wishing to adjust to immigrant status must physically be present in the U.S. and must have entered the U.S. legally (with some exceptions, including battered family members). Whether or not you are eligible to adjust your status is determined by your basis to immigrate (detailed below): ie, whether it is family based, employment based, part of a humanitarian program, or a special case (see instructions for Form I-360 for more details).
But while you're here in the US illegally, the government reserves the right to detain you.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/asylum-united-stat
es
Defensive Asylum: A person who is in removal proceedings may apply for asylum defensively by filing the application with an immigration judge at the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) in the Department of Justice. In other words, asylum is applied for “as a defense against removal from the U.S.” Unlike the criminal court system, EOIR does not provide appointed counsel for individuals in immigration court, even if they are unable to retain an attorney on their own.
While U.S. law provides arriving asylum seekers the right to be in the United States while their claim for protection is pending, the government has argued that it has the right to detain such individuals.
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It must be close to med time for kiki. She is posting the same shit everywhere. Hey kiki, your problem is Trump really is a scumbag. Defending all he does makes you one as well. Now take your meds like a good little twat and calm down.
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Quote:That's because you haven't figured it out, YET. Yanno, like you claiming that I supported family separation, when I posted MULTIPLE TIMES that I was against it. Maybe if you read it another dozen times or so, you'll figure it out.
It must be close to med time for kiki. She is posting the same shit everywhere
I agree with KIKI, you're a stupid fuck.
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I post the same things in multiple places if they're OT, so that no one can pretend to not have seen them.
And if they keep posting crap already addressed by my post, I'll keep reposting it until it becomes obvious to even the stupidest person here - like THUGGER - that they're either really, really stupid ... or lying ... or trolling.
Or in THUGGER's case, all three.
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Trump’s latest attack on Democrats echoes a conspiracy theory from the fringes of the internet
https://thinkprogress.org/qanon-trump-accuses-democrats-child-smugglin
g-ring-9916ff292590/
Looney tunes.
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Is Trump a loudmouth?
Of course he is. But that's not illegal. Yet.
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Plenty of what he's done is illegal, and it's going to catch up to him.
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Unlike you, I believe in innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Yanno - FIRST the trial ...
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The first layoffs from Trump’s tariffs are here
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/25/the-first-layof
fs-from-trumps-tariffs-are-here/?utm_term=.d987e1f3653c
So much winning! Be best!
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SHINY, I'll do my best to dispense with the egregious insults if you do.
My point continues to be: As the nation with the overwhelmingly largest military force in the world (and the budget deficit to prove it) we must FIRST, DO NO HARM. Now, bombing, shooting, shelling, and torturing people - or paying, training and equipping others to do it for you ... CLEARLY does harm, so before we start down that road we have to make sure that we aren't doing more harm than good. The only way I know to ensure THAT is to make sure that you only use violence to directly defend yourself or others against violence. Otherwise you will probably wind up killing people because of "communism" or "freedom" or some other rationalization, and wind up doing far more harm than good.
One of the other problems using violence to achieve political ends is that once that process starts, only the most violent will get their way. In a nation with elections, there is absolutely no purpose to initiating or stoking violence, and any group that does that should be immediately suspect. That includes us.
Sigs,
Perhaps you could point out just what your above statement has to do with the
topic at hand....namely, Why Trump is a scumbag.
P.S. As far as insults is concerned, I've seen this movie before. There have been
a number of times that you have offered to "dispense with the egregious insults"
and when I do dispense, off you go and we're right back at it. It seems that
whenever we disagree you resort to insults; so I suggest we go about the business
at hand and I will see where this goes.
SGG
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Quote:Because you PRESUME that Trump is a "scumbag" without looking at other Presidents and THEIR levels of scumbaggery. You get all tied up in knots, outraged and spittle flying, about events that are less consequential than other events over which you stayed SILENT. I don't recall ... did you have anything to say about Obama being a "scumbag" because he destroyed Libya and tried to destroy Syria, killing hundreds of thousands and displacing millions?
Sigs,
Perhaps you could point out just what your above statement has to do with the
topic at hand....namely, Why Trump is a scumbag.
SGG
And if not, why not?
Because if not, either you're a hypocrite, or a coward, or an idiot, or in extreme denial, or just a good-old-fashioned warmonger, or you have SUCH bias that you would literally ignore the piles of bodies that former Presidents have left in their wake, in many cases creating the very migrant crisis that you're currently all agitated about.
*****
Trump, for all of his faults, has withdrawn funding the terrorists who were pulling Syria apart. Libya is being allowed to pull itself together, without further covert or military interference. Peace appears to be breaking out in Korea. A summit with Putin is scheduled for July. Trump appears to be doing FAR LESS HARM that Obama and Bush. If you have a criticism and it involves Trump's foreign policy killing MORE people than before, I'm all ears. I've heard some criticism along those lines, and I'm ready to hear more. But your constant bleating about Trump trivia is stupid, and worse.
Oh, and btw, lest you misrepresent my POV with the whole "family separation" thing, I'm against it. I'm also against moving our embassy to Jerusalem. Let's agree to agree on that, and move on.
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Trump is a scumbag. The worst kind. There's nothing to presume here.
Donald Trump made 103 false claims last week, shattering his dishonesty record
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/analysis/2018/06/26/donald-trump-ma
de-103-false-claims-last-week-shattering-his-dishonesty-record.html
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Donald Trump made 103 false claims last week, shattering his dishonesty
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You get all tied up in knots, outraged and spittle flying, about events that are less consequential than other events over which you stayed SILENT.
And Obama lied every time he opened his mouth.
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Quote:There you go, lying to cover your lies again.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And Obama lied every time he opened his mouth.
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Quote:There you go, lying to cover your lies again.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And Obama lied every time he opened his mouth.
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Jeff Sessions jokes about separated families to laughing crowd
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-sessions-families-062
72018-story.html
Like most of his utterances, there was no truth, just more lies.
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Trump “Charity” Exposed as Elaborate Scheme to Make Golf Debts Go Away
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/06/trump-foundation-lawsuit
We’ve Found $16.1 Million in Political and Taxpayer Spending at Trump Properties
Most came from political entities such as the Trump campaign, but government agencies chipped in, too. “I could offer clarity,” one federal employee explained, “but I choose not to.”
https://www.propublica.org/article/political-and-taxpayer-spending-at-
trump-properties-16-1-million#146050
Oh, dear! LOL! Blumpy the conman has been found out.
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Justice Kennedy retiring; Trump gets 2nd Supreme Court pick
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/whitehouse/justice-kennedy-ret
iring-trump-gets-2nd-supreme-court-pick/2018/06/27/ef2da338-7a34-11e8-ac4e-421ef7165923_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c3f198b29430
The most incompetent moron in history gets to pick another Nazi judge. This is scary.
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"Trump is what he is, a floundering, inarticulate jumble of gnawing insecurities and not-at-all compensating vanities, which is pathetic. Pence is what he has chosen to be, which is horrifying." -George Will
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Satellite photos shows North Korea still upgrading a major nuclear plant after Kim Jong Un promised Trump 'complete denuclearization'
http://www.businessinsider.com/photos-show-north-korea-still-upgrading
-nuclear-plant-after-trump-pledge-2018-6?r=UK&IR=T
Un played Trump for the buffoon he is. Surprise, surprise...
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Antifa doesn't just fight Nazis in the west, they also fight ISIS in the Middle East.
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/593895655/dozens-of-westerners-join-kur
ds-to-fight-isis-in-syria
God bless these freedom-loving patriots!
For contrast, Google "White Sharia" and the Atomwaffen Division. The Atomwaffen Division had plans to bomb a fucking NUCLEAR POWER PLANT in Miami and "White Sharia" is the Alt Right's unironic desire to commit mass rapes in public.
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Trump Supporter Allegedly Throws Poop at Red Hen While Shouting ‘Make America Great Again’
https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/trump-supporter-allegedly-throws-poop-at
-red-hen-while-shouting-make-america-great-again/
Gotta love those peaceful, thoughtful reichwingers...
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Ivanka Trump won trademarks the same day her dad lifted sanctions on Chinese company.
The very curious timing behind Ivanka Trump’s Chinese trademarks
Sanctions were also lifted on a Chinese company that is considered a national security threat.
https://thinkprogress.org/ivanka-trump-trademarks-zte-sanctions-792082
cf4f36/
No, no scumbags here...
Can you imagine the reichwing outrage if Obama did anything like this?
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Well, that didn't take too long...
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Because you PRESUME that Trump is a "scumbag" without looking at other Presidents and THEIR levels of scumbaggery. You get all tied up in knots, outraged and spittle flying, about events that are less consequential than other events over which you stayed SILENT.
Just so we are clear: I don't presume, I know Trump is a Scumbag. He is a racist,
homophobic, misogynistic, egotistical, narcissistic scumbag. To be clear.
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I don't recall ... did you have anything to say about Obama being a "scumbag" because he destroyed Libya and tried to destroy Syria, killing hundreds of thousands and displacing millions?
No, because I love Obama, he's the sweetest man in the world.
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Because if not, either you're a hypocrite, or a coward, or an idiot, or in extreme denial, or just a good-old-fashioned warmonger
You know Sigs, I'm glad I waited to respond to your request, no, your begging for
help getting the "others" to listen to you. Talk about "spittle" flying about.
Listen I don't like to kick a "man" when he's down, so I'll dispense with the
unpleasantries. But you really need to get a grip. "Hypocrite, coward, idiot"
that's the way to re-establish civil dialogue and communication. You can write
whatever you want, I have no qualms or quibbles regarding your little rants;
this is still a free country (last time I looked). But that does not obligate me
to respond in kind. I, pick and choose if and when.
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you have SUCH bias that you would literally ignore the piles of bodies that former Presidents have left in their wake, in many cases creating the very migrant crisis that you're currently all agitated about.
You think I'm agitated? You don't know shit about me.
*****
Quote:
Trump, for all of his faults, has withdrawn funding the terrorists who were pulling Syria apart. Libya is being allowed to pull itself together, without further covert or military interference. Peace appears to be breaking out in Korea. A summit with Putin is scheduled for July. Trump appears to be doing FAR LESS HARM that Obama and Bush. If you have a criticism and it involves Trump's foreign policy killing MORE people than before, I'm all ears. I've heard some criticism along those lines, and I'm ready to hear more. But your constant bleating about Trump trivia is stupid, and worse.
Well, I guess that means we're done with the civility. Oh and by the way,
FUCK TRUMP.
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Oh, and btw, lest you misrepresent my POV with the whole "family separation" thing, I'm against it. I'm also against moving our embassy to Jerusalem. Let's agree to agree on that, and move on.
Never said anything about your POV re: "family separation." But good for you,
you're against it. I will put in a good word for you at the next Socialist
Liberals meeting. Ditto for the Jerusalem embassy thing.
SGG
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