Mueller Investigation Is Over / Part two are the trials. Hey Jack, I Was Right. 20 Plus Russians Charged, 19 Of Trumps People Convicted of Felonies.
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Mueller handed in his report. We should start learning a few things this weekend.
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The letter that William P. Barr, the attorney general, sent to Congress.
www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/us/politics/mueller-report.html
The Attorney General
Washington, D.C.
March 22, 2019
The Honorable Lindsey Graham
Chairman, Committee on the Judiciary United States Senate
290 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
The Honorable Dianne Feinstein
Ranking Member, Committee on the Judiciary United States Senate
331 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
The Honorable Jerrold Nadler
Chairman, Committee on the Judiciary United States House of Representatives
2132 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
The Honorable Doug Collins
Ranking Member, Committee on the Judiciary United States House of Representatives
1504 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
Dear Chairman Graham, Chairman Nadler, Ranking Member Feinstein, and Ranking Member Collins:
I write to notify you pursuant to 28 C.F.R. § 600.9(a)(3) that Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III has concluded his investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election and related matters. In addition to this notification, the Special Counsel regulations require that I provide you with ‘‘a description and explanation of instances (if any) in which the Attorney General” or acting Attorney General “concluded that a proposed action by a Special Counsel was so inappropriate or unwarranted under established Departmental practices that it should not be pursued.” 28 C.F.R. § 600.9(a)(3). There were no such instances during the Special Counsel’s investigation.
The Special Counsel has submitted to me today a “confidential report explaining the prosecution or declination decisions” he has reached, as required by 28 C.F.R. § 600.8(c). I am reviewing the report and anticipate that I may be in a position to advise you of the Special Counsel’s principal conclusions as soon as this weekend.
Separately, I intend to consult with Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein and Special Counsel Mueller to determine what other information from the report can be released to Congress and the public consistent with the law, including the Special Counsel regulations, and the Department’s long-standing practices and policies. I remain committed to as much transparency as possible, and I will keep you informed as to the status of my review.
Finally, the Special Counsel regulations provide that “the Attorney General may determine that public release of” this notification “would be in the public interest.” 28 C.F.R. § 600.9(c). I have so determined, and I will disclose this letter to the public after delivering it to you.
Sincerely,
William P. Barr
Attorney General
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Wonderful.
Hope they didn't have any plans this weekend. I think whatever is in there Trumps whatever they had going on.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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My hope is that the entire report is made public asap.
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This is just the beginning.
Tick tock!
SGG
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Originally posted by THG:
Mueller handed in his report. We should start learning a few things this weekend.
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Quote:The house voted for it unanimously.
Originally posted by rue:
My hope is that the entire report is made public asap.
We'll see who does and doesn't want us to see the whole thing.
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Betcha dollars to donuts no new indictments. No "collusion", no "obstruction of justice".
Another bet: Democrats will string this out until 2020.
I too would like to see the whole report.
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My reply should be Benghazi, but I'll simply say: Why? Don't you think that the Republicans would take advantage were it about Obama? Stringing things out is their M.O.
McConnell's infamous obstruction of Obama's administration, for one.
As far as no collusion and the rest. Those will turn out to be a "Jack in the Box" surprise.
Just so you know, I prefer Dunkin' Donuts....ha, ha, ha
Whole report please!
SGG
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Betcha dollars to donuts no new indictments. No "collusion", no "obstruction of justice".
Another bet: Democrats will string this out until 2020.
I too would like to see the whole report.
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Anybody want to bet this thread disappears when the report is revealed to be fruitless, as reasonable folk have known all along?
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Oh of course, both parties are good at tactical obstruction or, even better, selective prosecution by our law and intelligence agencies for political purposes.
The question is, will you criticize the Democratic party when they engage in the same slimy tactics as Republicans?
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Hey... Looks like we all want to see the report.
Might have finally found one single thing we can all agree on.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Why so many of President Donald Trump's aides lied to protect him in Russia investigations
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh of course, both parties are good at tactical obstruction or, even better, selective prosecution by our law and intelligence agencies for political purposes.
The question is, will you criticize the Democratic party when they engage in the same slimy tactics as Republicans?
The first lie – the first one that was a crime, at least – came on the fourth day of Donald Trump’s presidency, in a White House office down the hall from Trump’s own.
That day, a pair of FBI agents came to question Trump’s top national security aide, Mike Flynn, about his dealings with the Russian government. Flynn gave the agents a tour of his new spot in the new administration, interrupted at one point as Trump and some movers walked past discussing where to hang art on the walls. Then Flynn took them back to his corner office and calmly lied to them about conversations with Russia’s ambassador.
Flynn, agents later wrote, “did not parse his words or hesitate.” He simply lied.
The exchange was the start of a remarkable succession of lies over nearly two years by some of Trump’s closest political associates, told to federal agents, Congress and the public that distanced the president and his campaign from an investigation into whether his campaign participated in Russian efforts to disrupt the election that put him in office.
Whatever else special counsel Robert Mueller’s now-concluded investigation may reveal, it has devoted considerable attention to the Trump associates whose lies to lawmakers and investigators deflected attention from connections between Russia and the president’s campaign, and to a central question hanging over many of the charges Mueller has filed: Why did they lie?
www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/23/mueller-investigation-
question-why-so-many-aides-lied-protect-trump/3230200002/
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No new indictments coming down.
No collusion
No obstruction.
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Quote:Then it is funny that Trump's men are going to jail. Trump only goes to jail if the Senate sends him. Cohen, Flynn and Papadopoulos have pleaded guilty to making false statements. So has Manafort’s former deputy Rick Gates, and an attorney who worked with the pair, Alexander Van Der Zwaan.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
No new indictments coming down.
No collusion
No obstruction.
One suggested he lied out of loyalty. Others appear to have been protecting the president. One, Michael Cohen, a former executive in Trump’s private business and his personal lawyer, said he lied because the president wanted him to.
“Everybody's job at the Trump Organization is to protect Mr. Trump. Every day most of us knew we were coming in and we were going to lie for him on something and that became the norm,” Cohen said in sworn testimony to a House committee Feb. 27. “And that's exactly what's happening right now in this country and it's exactly what's happening here in government.”
www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/23/mueller-investigation-
question-why-so-many-aides-lied-protect-trump/3230200002/
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Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
This is just the beginning.
Tick tock!
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by THG:
Mueller handed in his report. We should start learning a few things this weekend.
tick tock
Yep, just a new phase of the investigation into Trump and his super corrupt administration. The rule of law is running it's course and that's what the trolls don't get.
They also don't get that they've exposed themselves as trolls who care nothing about the crimes exposed. They only talk about collusion. If conspiracy is not proven then to them Trump is somehow vindicated. That level of ignorance is off the charts.
tick tock
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Quote:The rule of law does not include GOP Senators. What would the Senate do if Trump obstructed justice? The Senate could ignore obstruction or it could remove Trump from office. In the latter case, ordinary citizen Trump, the ex-President, goes to a criminal trial. Then jail. Trump did obstruct justice, but no Republican Senator will vote to remove Trump. Those Senators have already decided Trump is innocent and there is no rule of law that will force them to change their minds. Trump admits the allegations of collusion between his advisers and Russian officials played into sacking of FBI director in order to obstruct justice. But the Republican Senators have decided to ignore what they heard Trump say on TV:
Originally posted by THG:
Yep, just a new phase of the investigation into Trump and his super corrupt administration. The rule of law is running it's course and that's what the trolls don't get.
They also don't get that they've exposed themselves as trolls who care nothing about the crimes exposed. They only talk about collusion. If conspiracy is not proven then to them Trump is somehow vindicated. That level of ignorance is off the charts.
tick tock
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/11/donald-trump-james-comey-firin
g-russia-investigation
If Trump got asked a second time about obstructing justice during an impeachment trial, his lawyers will craft a false statement for Trump to read, one that all GOP Senators can hide behind when they vote "Not Guilty". There is no rule of law forcing a Senator to admit he knows the President is lying under oath, although juries are expected to decide if a witness is lying and to not accept a liar's word as truth.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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As I've said second, that level of ignorance is off the charts. This presidency is immersed in scandals. And you can bet Trump has few republican friends. He has made them crawl in public since his election. Their reputations are in taters. If they can, they will crucify Trump.
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:The rule of law does not include GOP Senators. What would the Senate do if Trump obstructed justice? The Senate could ignore obstruction or it could remove Trump from office. In the latter case, ordinary citizen Trump, the ex-President, goes to a criminal trial. Then jail. Trump did obstruct justice, but no Republican Senator will vote to remove Trump. Those Senators have already decided Trump is innocent and there is no rule of law that will force them to change their minds. Trump admits the allegations of collusion between his advisers and Russian officials played into sacking of FBI director in order to obstruct justice. But the Republican Senators have decided to ignore what they heard Trump say on TV:
Originally posted by THG:
Yep, just a new phase of the investigation into Trump and his super corrupt administration. The rule of law is running it's course and that's what the trolls don't get.
They also don't get that they've exposed themselves as trolls who care nothing about the crimes exposed. They only talk about collusion. If conspiracy is not proven then to them Trump is somehow vindicated. That level of ignorance is off the charts.
tick tock
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/11/donald-trump-james-comey-firin
g-russia-investigation
If Trump got asked a second time about obstructing justice during an impeachment trial, his lawyers will craft a false statement for Trump to read, one that all GOP Senators can hide behind when they vote "Not Guilty". There is no rule of law forcing a Senator to admit he knows the President is lying under oath, although juries are expected to decide if a witness is lying and to not accept a liar's word as truth.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Then it is funny that Trump's men are going to jail. Trump only goes to jail if the Senate sends him. Cohen, Flynn and Papadopoulos have pleaded guilty to making false statements. So has Manafort’s former deputy Rick Gates, and an attorney who worked with the pair, Alexander Van Der Zwaan.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
No new indictments coming down.
No collusion
No obstruction.
One suggested he lied out of loyalty. Others appear to have been protecting the president. One, Michael Cohen, a former executive in Trump’s private business and his personal lawyer, said he lied because the president wanted him to.
“Everybody's job at the Trump Organization is to protect Mr. Trump. Every day most of us knew we were coming in and we were going to lie for him on something and that became the norm,” Cohen said in sworn testimony to a House committee Feb. 27. “And that's exactly what's happening right now in this country and it's exactly what's happening here in government.”
No collusion
No election tampering
No working with the Russians ( leave that for Hillary and the DNC )
Everyone knows full well that most of those ' crimes ' were meaningless process crimes, misstatements which were turned into LYING to the FBI. If we judged Hillary by the same standard,( as well as most everyone in the FBI ) , the list of folks going to jail would be a lot longer today. Oddly, we don't see this happening.
Flynn and Papadopoulos were especially egregious and gross overreaches by the Federal govt. Papadopoulos was clearly a lower level no one who the FBI set up , outright.
That should concern and even scare the hell out of every law abiding American.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Anybody want to bet this thread disappears when the report is revealed to be fruitless, as reasonable folk have known all along?
You mean like Trump fans have dropped "But Hillary! Obama!?" Give me a break - you fwads will never let Hillary go. 7 Benghazi trials, ALL fruitless, so we get another 6 on Trump to even the score.
I don't want that but it would be fair in the effed up world of the GOP.
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Quote:I don't believe Trump fears that GOP Senators will crucify him. Sen. Ted Cruz (GOP-TX) was running second to Trump in the primaries and Cruz got the full Trump disrespect/contempt treatment, but when Cruz looks into Mueller's report, he won't see anything rising to the level of impeachable offense. That is because Texas GOP voters don't see Trump as a crook. The only rule of law that might throw Trump out of the White House is the next General Election in 19 months, not the Senate and not Ted Cruz.
Originally posted by THG:
As I've said second, that level of ignorance is off the charts. This presidency is immersed in scandals. And you can bet Trump has few republican friends. He has made them crawl in public since his election. Their reputations are in taters. If they can, they will crucify Trump.
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I wouldn’t find a “no collusion” finding to be so surprising. But MAGAkultists shouldn’t find it to be very reassuring either. From all we’ve seen, Trump has laundered a lot of Russian mob money. Putin has a lot of “Kompromat” on him, and that’s why he did everything he could to install him. Trump is a Putin asset not necessarily because he wanted to be, but because he allowed himself to be duped into the role. Trump is a criminal being blackmailed by another criminal to commit treason on his behalf. Both Occam’s and Hanlon’s Razors apply here.
We haven’t seen the report yet. We've seen evidence of collusion, proof of corruption, and some real slimy behavior by Trump's campaign. Is that enough to indict Trump? Or is there enough plausible deniability to keep him away from any real consequences? He's already survived scandals and outrages that would have sunk a normal president. But this isn't a normal president.
The nervous posturing of the trumpjugend and their older reichskult groomer-handlers is just that. They don’t have to admit that Mueller has already been devastating to Trump’s organization and reputation and that the rest of the report will only do more damage. We know. They don’t need to tell us how scared they are of the numerous other ongoing and imminent congressional and judicial investigations into the criminal-in-chief’s conduct. We know, and the trumptards are so high on the Kool aid, they don't care.
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Why bother arguing at this point?
If we get to see it like we're supposed to, there will be nothing left to argue about.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:But, but... Hillary!
Originally posted by AURaptor:
No collusion
No election tampering
No working with the Russians ( leave that for Hillary and the DNC )
So predictable.
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Quote:Oh, I'm sure the House Dems will find smething to argue about. If they don't like the conclusions they'll want to see the report. If they don't like the report they'll want to see the background info. If they don't get, or don't like, the background info they'll subpoena Mueller (!) and suddenly the guy who was their savior becomes their enemy. It's just amazing how Trump Derangement Sydrome causes people to dump what they were thinking last, and pivot on a moment's notice to the latest shiny object flashed in front of them.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Why bother arguing at this point?
If we get to see it like we're supposed to, there will be nothing left to argue about.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Yanno, when I hear a million "reasons" to do something ... 9-11! Al Qaeda! Aluminum tubes! Terrorism! Killing his own people! Mushroom cloud! Inspections! Bioweapons! Bend over and spread your cheeks! East west north south somewhat of Baghdad! .... that tells me that I'm being flooded with bullcrap.
Same with Trump Derangment Syndrome. RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA! Financial crimes! Immigration! Sex crimes! Orange skin! Unstable! They don't care if they "get" him for his orange skin and candy-floss hair or on "collusion", all they know is that they want to get rid of him by any means possible. Facts, honesty, rationality, and the institutions of the USA are not to get in the way.
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Oh shit, what did I just post?
Adam Schiff Rejects Report, Says Special Counsel Should Testify.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-23/adam-schiff-rejects-mueller-
report-says-special-counsel-should-testify
REALLY????
Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin!
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But, aren't both sides exactly the same? Just as bad? 2 sides of the same coin?
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Anybody want to bet this thread disappears when the report is revealed to be fruitless, as reasonable folk have known all along?
You mean like Trump fans have dropped "But Hillary! Obama!?" Give me a break - you fwads will never let Hillary go. 7 Benghazi trials, ALL fruitless, so we get another 6 on Trump to even the score.
I don't want that but it would be fair in the effed up world of the GOP.
She committed crimes, and Comey admitted as much.
It SHOULD bother all Americans that she gets away scot free simply because her husband was President and she was a US Senator then SecState.
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Quote:
But, but... Hillary!
So predictable.
Sorry... no justice, no peace.
Thems the rules.
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Quote:Nope. You'll never let it go. Even after multiple investigations.
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Anybody want to bet this thread disappears when the report is revealed to be fruitless, as reasonable folk have known all along?
You mean like Trump fans have dropped "But Hillary! Obama!?" Give me a break - you fwads will never let Hillary go. 7 Benghazi trials, ALL fruitless, so we get another 6 on Trump to even the score.
I don't want that but it would be fair in the effed up world of the GOP.
She committed crimes, and Comey admitted as much.
It SHOULD bother all Americans that she gets away scot free simply because her husband was President and she was a US Senator then SecState.
*Quote:
But, but... Hillary!
So predictable.
Sorry... no justice, no peace.
Thems the rules.
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Sadly, I think it'll be just like the 'Countdown' thread - endless rabbit holes and goal-post moving.
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Anybody want to bet this thread disappears when the report is revealed to be fruitless, as reasonable folk have known all along?
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Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
My reply should be Benghazi, but I'll simply say: Why? Don't you think that the Republicans would take advantage were it about Obama? Stringing things out is their M.O.
Quote:It's a fair question and I'll be curious to see the outcome.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh of course, both parties are good at tactical obstruction or, even better, selective prosecution by our law and intelligence agencies for political purposes.
The question is, will you criticize the Democratic party when they engage in the same slimy tactics as Republicans?
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Quote:Yanno, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy back when, I said there would probably be Trump business corruption (because, who in business isn't corrupt?) but no Russia collusion. I was wrong. So far there's not been any sign of Trump business corruption either.
Originally posted by THG:
Yep, just a new phase of the investigation into Trump and his super corrupt administration. The rule of law is running it's course and that's what the trolls don't get.
They also don't get that they've exposed themselves as trolls who care nothing about the crimes exposed. They only talk about collusion. If conspiracy is not proven then to them Trump is somehow vindicated. That level of ignorance is off the charts.
tick tock
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Quote:So far, no answers.
Originally posted by rue:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
My reply should be Benghazi, but I'll simply say: Why? Don't you think that the Republicans would take advantage were it about Obama? Stringing things out is their M.O.Quote:It's a fair question and I'll be curious to see the outcome.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh of course, both parties are good at tactical obstruction or, even better, selective prosecution by our law and intelligence agencies for political purposes.
The question is, will you criticize the Democratic party when they engage in the same slimy tactics as Republicans?
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Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Anybody want to bet this thread disappears when the report is revealed to be fruitless, as reasonable folk have known all along?
You mean like Trump fans have dropped "But Hillary! Obama!?" Give me a break - you fwads will never let Hillary go. 7 Benghazi trials, ALL fruitless, so we get another 6 on Trump to even the score.
I don't want that but it would be fair in the effed up world of the GOP.
It's funny how the trolls here forget that Ken Star was investigating a land deal by the Clintons. To them that's ok, yet to go after Trump for anything is illegit. All I can say is tick tock
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Nope. You'll never let it go. Even after multiple investigations.
There were no legitimate investigations. Just dog and pony shows by politicians, trying to up their donations.
She broke the law, and certainly engaged in corruption w/ her fake Foundation. Pay for play has been clearly demonstrated, but no one wants to hold her accountable to the law.
This should make every American furious.
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Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Nope. You'll never let it go. Even after multiple investigations.
There were no legitimate investigations. Just dog and pony shows by politicians, trying to up their donations.
She broke the law, and certainly engaged in corruption w/ her fake Foundation. Pay for play has been clearly demonstrated, but no one wants to hold her accountable to the law.
This should make every American furious.
You guys always refuse to acknowledge that I hated Clinton. It was just that I knew all about Trump and it was reaffirmed during the campaign that he was a tool and nightmare candidate.
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Trey Gowdy had an interesting take on why some parts of the report or background info should be withheld.
Basically, as a prosecutor you should either indict and shut up, or don't indict and shut up. You don't make public a number of allegations which will never go to trial, as Come did when he listed a while bunch of Hillary's actions that he decided shouldn't be prosecuted. In Gowdy's view that set a terrible precedent, because people shouldn't have to prove themselves innocent in the court of public opinion, which they can never do. Proving a negative ... Saddam didn't have WMD, Trump didn't collude... is impossible anyway. As he said, Trump isn't above the law, but he isn't below it either.
In Gowdy's view, a prosecutor who releases info on unindicted people is failing in his Constitutional duty.
But, decisions and opinions about Trump are political not judicial, so maybe the politics needs to play out
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Hm. That's very sound logic. And it's completely reversed my thinking.
Also, it begs the question: what legal reasoning would there be to use even an unreleased report - and send it along going from investigation to investigation - as a reason for further investigation? If there wasn't anything in the first investigation that would lead to an indictment, what's the legal basis for pursuing it elsewhere?
But if it ** IS ** used further, then it should be released. Because it seems to me it's entered into territory beyond legal justification.
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Trey Gowdy had an interesting take on why some parts of the report or background info should be withheld.
Basically, as a prosecutor you should either indict and shut up, or don't indict and shut up. You don't make public a number of allegations which will never go to trial, as Come did when he listed a while bunch of Hillary's actions that he decided shouldn't be prosecuted. In Gowdy's view that set a terrible precedent, because people shouldn't have to prove themselves innocent in the court of public opinion, which they can never do. Proving a negative ... Saddam didn't have WMD, Trump didn't collude... is impossible anyway. As he said, Trump isn't above the law, but he isn't below it either.
In Gowdy's view, a prosecutor who releases info on unindicted people is failing in his Constitutional duty.
But, decisions and opinions about Trump are political not judicial, so maybe the politics needs to play out
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Though I normally would agree with Trey here, the behavior of the MSM and the leftwing nutjobs dictate a different outcome here.
If I were Trump, I would want everything to be made public.
Two years of this bullshit is enough. It's time to put this matter to rest once and for all.
COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY.
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Quote:SIX, I think the problem is that even if the report (AND ALL OF THE BACKGROUND INFO) is fully released, that WON'T be the end of it all. Five witnesses say one thing, a sixth says something else, but if that sixth witness says what the dems want to hear they'll just junk wht the other five said.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Though I normally would agree with Trey here, the behavior of the MSM and the leftwing nutjobs dictate a different outcome here.
If I were Trump, I would want everything to be made public.
Two years of this bullshit is enough. It's time to put this matter to rest once and for all.
COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Look at how long they've been barking about ... nothing. They will bark nd keep on barking whether they have the full report or they don't.
I need to think about this a bit. Trump has Constitutional protections that are due him, but the nation has political needs to meet as well.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I need to think about this a bit. Trump has Constitutional protections that are due him, but the nation has political needs to meet as well.
He absolutely does.
That's why I'd like to see him be the one to give it to the people of his own volition.
This is about vindication.
It can't be helped if Rachel Maddow sheds more tears or what these chucklefucks in here think.
I called many months ago that they were all going to turn on Muller just like they did on Comey. We already knew this was going to happen.
You just can't swallow all of those "tick tocks".
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Well, I think more is going on than meets the eye.
There are chuckleheads aplenty here and chuckleheds aplenty in Congress, but they're just dupes for the real agenda. And what is the "real" agenda? To break Trump and to thwart his campaign promises to reverse (parts of) the globalist agenda.
I think all of the anti-Trump Dems in the House have made Trump vulnerable to neocon Repubs in the Senate: "We will protect you from impeachment but only if you appoint neocons that further our neocon agenda". The only thing holding the deep state back from full-on militarily invading nations is that the Pentagon knows that its weapons are vulnerable to destruction.
So all of these dupes across the nation ... those Dem politicians who whipped up anti-Trump sentiment over nothing and the M$M that dutifully perpetuated lies and the people who were fooled into believing those lies made war and "interventions" more likely, not less likely, even if they believed that they were advocating stability, peace, and "the good".
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Quote:Trump Engaged in Suspect Tax Schemes as He Reaped Riches From His Father
Originally posted by rue:
Yanno, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy back when, I said there would probably be Trump business corruption (because, who in business isn't corrupt?) but no Russia collusion. I was wrong. So far there's not been any sign of Trump business corruption either.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html
State Attorneys General Suing Trump or His Organizations.
Other states have moved to file lawsuits against Trump and his businesses after investigations: the attorneys general for Maryland and the District of Columbia sued Trump in 2017 for allegedly violating the emoluments clause of the Constitution.
The House Financial Services Committee.
The Intelligence Committee is also planning a joint investigation with the House Financial Services Committee that will look into Deutsche Bank’s lending practices. Chaired by the Democrat Maxine Waters, the Financial Services Committee plans to look into why Deutsche Bank was willing to lend money to the Trump Organization when other financial entities would not. According to Waters, Trump’s family, including Ivanka Trump and Kushner, bank with Deutsche bank.
Deutsche Bank has been fined in the past for money laundering for Russian clients, and is under scrutiny for its involvement with Danske Bank of Denmark, which is also under scrutiny for money laundering. The committee is looking to see whether illicit money, from Russia or otherwise, ended up in any of the Trump Organization’s accounts, and whether there is any evidence of money laundering, Russian or otherwise. Deutsche Bank has said it plans to assist the lawmakers “in their official oversight functions.”
The House Ways and Means Committee
Ways and Means is one of Congress’s most powerful committees, and Democratic Chairman Richard Neal has said he plans to build a case for subpoenaing a copy of Trump’s personal and professional tax returns. The president has been under pressure to release his returns since the 2016 campaign, but has consistently refused, leading some to believe that they contain evidence of financial malfeasance. On February 7, the committee held a hearing on “legislative proposals and tax law related to presidential and vice-presidential tax returns,” which looked into ways the committee could legally obtain the returns.
The House Foreign Affairs Committee
Democratic Chairman Eliot Engel has said he plans to investigate whether Trump’s business ties abroad are affecting his foreign-policy decisions. Specifically, Engel said he wanted to look into whether Trump violated the Constitution’s emoluments clause. On February 27, 2019, the committee held a full hearing on the Trump administration’s foreign policy.
On March 4, Engel, in conjunction with the Intelligence Committee and the Oversight Committee, also issued a letter demanding documents and interviews about Trump’s communications with Putin.
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/after-mueller-ongoing-inv
estigations-trump/585376/
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More of SLOPPYSECONDS blah blah blah.
You see?
I told you they would drop RUSSIA!RUSSIA! at a moment's notice!
It was never about Russia! with them. They don't care what they say; it's all propganda to SLOPPYSECONDS and REAVERBOT.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More of SLOPPYSECONDS blah blah blah.
You see?
I told you they would drop RUSSIA!RUSSIA! at a moment's notice!
It was never about Russia! with them. They don't care what they say; it's all propganda to SLOPPYSECONDS and REAVERBOT.
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We all knew it.
If you haven't noticed, the only one that hasn't posted in here for a while is JO.
I suspect that's because he has integrity and knows that he was wrong to follow the Russia narrative for so long, and rather than further shame himself by willingly going along with the changing narrative, he's reflecting on how he got pulled into it in the first place.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Signym, you made it loud and clear that you don't care that Trump swindled banks, investors, and students before he was President. You don't care about his $billion tax cheating. You don't care that he decides foreign policy based on who is giving the Trump businesses the biggest bribes.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More of SLOPPYSECONDS blah blah blah.
You see?
I told you they would drop RUSSIA!RUSSIA! at a moment's notice!
It was never about Russia! with them. They don't care what they say; it's all propganda to SLOPPYSECONDS and REAVERBOT.
You don't care how Trump got elected, except he has to stay in power and be reelected in 2020, despite you being only 10% for his policies. Or maybe you only like 10% of his policies. You're not transparent on that. As for me, I am 100% for another Trump tax cut for me. And if it benefits Trump's fortune as much as it does me, it's fine with me.
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SHINY seems to have taken a step back, as well. And shout out to GSTRING, who seems to have pulled out of a nosedive and at least levelled off, if ony two feet above-ground.
THUGR? Too stupid to know any better, WISHY? Her life is too horrible to contemplate; I give her a break because of her history and current situation.
But SLOPPYSECONDS and REAVERBOT are an entirely different matter. Both of them - for somewhat different reasons - are dedicated propgndists. They should lose credibility forever, along with Rachel Madcow and indeed most of the M$M. Because when you find that someone has relentlessly and deliberately lied to you for ... years ... you should strike them from your list of contacts.
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Shoo comrade troll
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Originally posted by THG:
You guys always refuse to acknowledge that I hated Clinton. It was just that I knew all about Trump and it was reaffirmed during the campaign that he was a tool and nightmare candidate.
When the issue is who broke the law, and it's clear Hillary did exactly that, hatred or love FOR someone is immaterial. I'm not speaking to alliances or affection here, I'm simply speaking of statues and who did what.
Trump indeed was a nightmare candidate for the GOP, but for other reasons than you may want to admit.
Personally, he's got plenty of faults. I don't deny that. I'm not at all of fan of how he handles some issues, or when he goes out of his way to cause animosity towards friend and foe alike. He's his own worst enemy. But that's not the full measure of a candidate. There's the policy side of him which many have desperately been waiting for, even if the manner in which he campaigns and promotes them are utterly disagreeable.
In short, the packaging is wrong, but what he offers as actual policy, I am more than willing to accept, much more so than what the Dems are pitching.
We clear now ?
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SHINY seems to have taken a step back, as well. And shout out to GSTRING, who seems to have pulled out of a nosedive and at least levelled off, if ony two feet above-ground.
So nice of you to notice. Do the words, "Can't indict a sitting president" sound familiar? Trump will do more damage to the GOP in office than out, imho. So - we'll see what the report says if they release it all.
Wasn't it interesting that when Trump went to Mar a Lago this weekend, he brought along his "Russian Collusion" lawyers? Was he tipped off? Curious.
BTW - ^What's with your horrendous spelling lately? Have you noticed all the mistakes? Has spell check been outlawed where you live? Are you mixing your meds again? - one who cares
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
You guys always refuse to acknowledge that I hated Clinton. It was just that I knew all about Trump and it was reaffirmed during the campaign that he was a tool and nightmare candidate.
When the issue is who broke the law, and it's clear Hillary did exactly that, hatred or love FOR someone is immaterial. I'm not speaking to alliances or affection here, I'm simply speaking of statues and who did what.
Trump indeed was a nightmare candidate for the GOP, but for other reasons than you may want to admit.
Personally, he's got plenty of faults. I don't deny that. I'm not at all of fan of how he handles some issues, or when he goes out of his way to cause animosity towards friend and foe alike. He's his own worst enemy. But that's not the full measure of a candidate. There's the policy side of him which many have desperately been waiting for, even if the manner in which he campaigns and promotes them are utterly disagreeable.
In short, the packaging is wrong, but what he offers as actual policy, I am more than willing to accept, much more so than what the Dems are pitching.
We clear now ?
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
Not much time so let me just expose that you like Trump because you are a hater white supremist. Lets see what is different about your post when I expose your spoiler. Hiding it shows you know it exposes you as a racist.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If you haven't noticed, the only one that hasn't posted in here for a while is JO.
I suspect that's because he has integrity and knows that he was wrong to follow the Russia narrative for so long, and rather than further shame himself by willingly going along with the changing narrative, he's reflecting on how he got pulled into it in the first place.
Put me down for the exact opposite, and that's because he definitely DOES have Integrity.
What "changing narrative?"
Trump dropped sanctions on which country? Which candidate did Putin want to win? It's not complicated if you don't let your feelz get in the way of your brain.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
You guys always refuse to acknowledge that I hated Clinton. It was just that I knew all about Trump and it was reaffirmed during the campaign that he was a tool and nightmare candidate.
When the issue is who broke the law, and it's clear Hillary did exactly that, hatred or love FOR someone is immaterial. I'm not speaking to alliances or affection here, I'm simply speaking of statues and who did what.
Trump indeed was a nightmare candidate for the GOP, but for other reasons than you may want to admit.
Personally, he's got plenty of faults. I don't deny that. I'm not at all of fan of how he handles some issues, or when he goes out of his way to cause animosity towards friend and foe alike. He's his own worst enemy. But that's not the full measure of a candidate. There's the policy side of him which many have desperately been waiting for, even if the manner in which he campaigns and promotes them are utterly disagreeable.
In short, the packaging is wrong, but what he offers as actual policy, I am more than willing to accept, much more so than what the Dems are pitching.
We clear now ?
Yep. I can see how people would come to the same conclusions. I also hated Hillary. I couldn't stand even listening to her, especially when she would try and sound presidential (or anyone for that matter). It was a perfect storm for an effed election. Nobody won. I also feel though, like too many anti-Dem anti-Hillary people hold onto Trump because they still think there are only 2 choices. We are a fairly conceited nation (if you haven't noticed), and in some cases, rightfully so. But with these 2... come on! We can do so much better. It would be great if the conversation was more about that than Libtards v Trumptards. I think there are beady eyed posers on the other side of the world that only want to keep that argument going, and will do everything they can to stoke the hate.
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Investigations will continue despite submission of the Mueller report
As Robert Mueller exits stage left, the Justice Department will continue to pursue a handful of investigations—and potentially more prosecutions -- that began with or were bolstered by the special counsel's work. And a significant group of them still focus around President Donald Trump.
In all, Mueller leaves behind a mess of prosecutors in federal and state government still collecting documents, interviewing witnesses and prosecuting cases that may keep Trump's family and associates on edge for months.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/investigations-will-continue-d
espite-submission-of-the-mueller-report/ar-BBV9NQZ?ocid=spartandhp
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If you haven't noticed, the only one that hasn't posted in here for a while is JO.
I suspect that's because he has integrity and knows that he was wrong to follow the Russia narrative for so long, and rather than further shame himself by willingly going along with the changing narrative, he's reflecting on how he got pulled into it in the first place.
Put me down for the exact opposite, and that's because he definitely DOES have Integrity.
Yes. HE does. Apparently you don't.
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What "changing narrative?"
What? Were you expecting to find a contract signed in blood.
OR
Let's start talking about Trump's taxes again.
OR
This investigation will go on forever, like our eternal Middle East Conflict.
etc., etc., etc...
Loser.
Quote:
Trump dropped sanctions on which country? Which candidate did Putin want to win?
So what?
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It's not complicated if you don't let your feelz get in the way of your brain.
It really should say to itself.
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Originally posted by THG:
Not much time so let me just expose that you like Trump because you are a hater white supremist. Lets see what is different about your post when I expose your spoiler. Hiding it shows you know it exposes you as a racist.
Expose what ' spoiler' ? WTF are you babbling on about ? There is nothing you can ' reveal ' that proves I'm a racist, because no such thing exists. More mindless insults and empty accusations on your part as a means to distract and avoid having to discuss like actual human beings.
And, btw, you can't even offer up 1 iota of proof that Trump is a racist either, but that goes w/ out saying. Those who toss around ' racism ' never ever can offer up proof. They think they don't have to, because the charge alone is enough to neutralize another's comments.
Welp, guess again.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I also feel though, like too many anti-Dem anti-Hillary people hold onto Trump because they still think there are only 2 choices.
This is what has annoyed me since I could vote. When it comes to such matters as President, and the November general election comes around, the truth is that yes, there literally ARE just 2 choices.
In 2016, the paths these 2 candidates were promoting were vastly different. I voted for the better path, not necessarily the better candidate.
We need to stop looking so much at personalities and get real in recognizing what GOVERNMENT will look like when a choice is made between the 2 candidates.
Sure, there are primaries, and we get to elect from more choices, but at some point, there really ARE just 2.
Choosing not to decide is still making a choice - ( thank you Neil Peart )
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Nadler: Mueller probe already proved there was collusion between Trump camp and Russia
The House Judiciary chairman also said Sunday that he plans to subpoena the Mueller report if it is not released voluntarily by the Justice Department.
https://thinkprogress.org/nadler-cnn-we-know-there-was-collusion-trump
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Nadler: Mueller probe already proved there was collusion between Trump camp and Russia
The House Judiciary chairman also said Sunday that he plans to subpoena the Mueller report if it is not released voluntarily by the Justice Department.
https://thinkprogress.org/nadler-cnn-we-know-there-was-collusion-trump
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Quote:Nadler, why are you so confused? The answer is obvious. Mueller is a Russian troll AND a Nazi!
... Nadler said. “But we know there was collusion. Why there have been no indictments, we don’t know.”
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The Russian trolls shouldn't do their vodka victory dance just yet.
It Appears That Donald Trump’s Family Will Be Indicted Soon
https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/24/it-appears-that-donald-trumps-
family-will-be-indicted-soon.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
Yesterday we reported that since Bob Mueller has delivered his report to William Barr, the fight against Donald Trump and his criminal family and businesses will move to the U.S. Attorney’s office in the Southern District of New York (SDNY).
Robert Mueller apparently will not indict anyone else, but Democratic leaders in Congress made very clear that they are expecting additional indictments from other sources.
Mueller has already handed off high profile federal criminal cases to the SDNY. For example, when Robert Mueller investigated Michael Cohen he determined that Cohen didn’t commit crimes central to the Trump-Russia election scandal, but he did commit other Trump-related crimes. So he then referred the case to the SDNY, which had jurisdiction over those crimes, for prosecution.
SDNY then brought the criminal case against Cohen, and now he’s going to prison.
When he handed the Cohen case to the Feds at SDNY they kept it secret. The public didn’t find out about it until SDNY was ready to indict him.
Mueller didn’t even “recommend” to SDNY that Cohen be indicted. He just gave them the case and let them make the decision based on the evidence.
So we’ve already seen Mueller send one of Trump’s people to prison without indicting him or recommending that he be indicted.
We’ve learned that he’s also handed off cases and evidence to six other federal prosecutorial entities. And we’ll see more announcements about those cases at a later time.
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Quote:You really do struggle with logic, kiki.
Originally posted by rue:Quote:From your link
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Nadler: Mueller probe already proved there was collusion between Trump camp and Russia
The House Judiciary chairman also said Sunday that he plans to subpoena the Mueller report if it is not released voluntarily by the Justice Department.
https://thinkprogress.org/nadler-cnn-we-know-there-was-collusion-trump
-russia-mueller-report-b3c17bce9a39/Quote:Nadler, why are you so confused? The answer is obvious. Mueller is a Russian troll AND a Nazi!
... Nadler said. “But we know there was collusion. Why there have been no indictments, we don’t know.”
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Quote:But no mention on the entire page of RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA!, or even Russia.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/24/politics/ongoing-investigations-manafor
t-gates-cohen/index.html The still-live investigations range from an expansive probe into the Trump inaugural committee, to various investigations relating to former top Trump campaign officials Paul Manafort and Rick Gates, to tips that stemmed from Trump personal attorney Michael Cohen's experience with Trump and his family's company.
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Quote:You seem triggered.
Originally posted by rue:Quote:But no mention on the entire page of RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA!, or even Russia.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/24/politics/ongoing-investigations-manafor
t-gates-cohen/index.html The still-live investigations range from an expansive probe into the Trump inaugural committee, to various investigations relating to former top Trump campaign officials Paul Manafort and Rick Gates, to tips that stemmed from Trump personal attorney Michael Cohen's experience with Trump and his family's company.
Maybe grab a bottle of that Russian vodka and think about things you CAN understand.
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Quote:I know you've taken a break from RWED for a while, so here's a hint: some of us have stopped feeding the Trolls. This is partly why they jump in to derail threads unrelated to their delusions.
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Not much time so let me just expose that you like Trump because you are a hater white supremist. Lets see what is different about your post when I expose your spoiler. Hiding it shows you know it exposes you as a racist.
Expose what ' spoiler' ? WTF are you babbling on about ? There is nothing you can ' reveal ' that proves I'm a racist, because no such thing exists. More mindless insults and empty accusations on your part as a means to distract and avoid having to discuss like actual human beings.
And, btw, you can't even offer up 1 iota of proof that Trump is a racist either, but that goes w/ out saying. Those who toss around ' racism ' never ever can offer up proof. They think they don't have to, because the charge alone is enough to neutralize another's comments.
Welp, guess again.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Somebody has been feeding the Troll thread on Countdown.
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Since Taibbi has an extended discursive style, I added topic indicators <> and titles to break up the lengthy article.
I fault Taibbi for giving the MSM's ability to correct previous propaganda too much credit. Its function is to flog the narrative until people are stampeded. After that it'll be used to flog another narrative to stampede people in a different direction. But once people are stampeded, it's all over.
There's precious little self-reflection in the US public that would make media's retrospective corrections meaningful.
Taibbi: It's Official - 'Russiagate' Is This Generation's WMD
<>BEGINNING WITH THE END
Nobody wants to hear this, but news that Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller is headed home without issuing new charges is a death-blow for the reputation of the American news media.
As has long been rumored, the former FBI chief’s independent probe will result in multiple indictments and convictions, but no “presidency-wrecking” conspiracy charges, or anything that would meet the layman’s definition of “collusion” with Russia.
With the caveat that even this news might somehow turn out to be botched, the key detail in the many stories about the end of the Mueller investigation was best expressed by the New York Times: A senior Justice Department official said that Mr. Mueller would not recommend new indictments.
<>MUELLER THE MESSIAH WILL DELIVER US
The Times tried to soften the emotional blow for the millions of Americans trained in these years to place hopes for the overturn of the Trump presidency in Mueller. Nobody even pretended it was supposed to be a fact-finding mission, instead of an act of faith.
The Special Prosecutor literally became a religious figure during the last few years, with votive candles sold in his image and Saturday Night Live cast members singing “All I Want for Christmas is You” to him featuring the rhymey line: “Mueller please come through, because the only option is a coup.”
The Times story today tried to preserve Santa Mueller’s reputation, noting Trump’s Attorney General William Barr’s reaction was an “endorsement” of the fineness of Mueller’s work: In an apparent endorsement of an investigation that Mr. Trump has relentlessly attacked as a “witch hunt,” Mr. Barr said Justice Department officials never had to intervene to keep Mr. Mueller from taking an inappropriate or unwarranted step.
Mueller, in other words, never stepped out of the bounds of his job description. But could the same be said for the news media?
<>ARE THE #RUSSIAGATE GOSPELS TRUE?
For those anxious to keep the dream alive, the Times published its usual graphic of Trump-Russia “contacts,” inviting readers to keep making connections. But in a separate piece by Peter Baker, the paper noted the Mueller news had dire consequences for the press: It will be a reckoning for President Trump, to be sure, but also for Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, for Congress, for Democrats, for Republicans, for the news media and, yes, for the system as a whole…
This is a damning page one admission by the Times. Despite the connect-the-dots graphic in its other story, and despite the astonishing, emotion-laden editorial the paper also ran suggesting “We don’t need to read the Mueller report” because we know Trump is guilty, Baker at least began the work of preparing Times readers for a hard question: “Have journalists connected too many dots that do not really add up?”
The paper was signaling it understood there would now be questions about whether or not news outlets like themselves made a galactic error by betting heavily on a new, politicized approach, trying to be true to “history’s judgment” on top of the hard-enough job of just being true. Worse, in a brutal irony everyone should have seen coming, the press has now handed Trump the mother of campaign issues heading into 2020.
Nothing Trump is accused of from now on by the press will be believed by huge chunks of the p
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Originally posted by THG:
Mueller handed in his report. We should start learning a few things this weekend.
tick tock
Weekend is over.
Have you heard anything yet?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
The Russian trolls shouldn't do their vodka victory dance just yet.
It Appears That Donald Trump’s Family Will Be Indicted Soon
https://www.politicususa.com/2019/03/24/it-appears-that-donald-trumps-
family-will-be-indicted-soon.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
Yesterday we reported that since Bob Mueller has delivered his report to William Barr, the fight against Donald Trump and his criminal family and businesses will move to the U.S. Attorney’s office in the Southern District of New York (SDNY).
Robert Mueller apparently will not indict anyone else, but Democratic leaders in Congress made very clear that they are expecting additional indictments from other sources.
Mueller has already handed off high profile federal criminal cases to the SDNY. For example, when Robert Mueller investigated Michael Cohen he determined that Cohen didn’t commit crimes central to the Trump-Russia election scandal, but he did commit other Trump-related crimes. So he then referred the case to the SDNY, which had jurisdiction over those crimes, for prosecution.
SDNY then brought the criminal case against Cohen, and now he’s going to prison.
When he handed the Cohen case to the Feds at SDNY they kept it secret. The public didn’t find out about it until SDNY was ready to indict him.
Mueller didn’t even “recommend” to SDNY that Cohen be indicted. He just gave them the case and let them make the decision based on the evidence.
So we’ve already seen Mueller send one of Trump’s people to prison without indicting him or recommending that he be indicted.
We’ve learned that he’s also handed off cases and evidence to six other federal prosecutorial entities. And we’ll see more announcements about those cases at a later time.
Ya don't say, huh?
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politicususa/
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Overall, we rate PoliticusUSA, borderline extreme Left Biased in wording and editorial positions and factually High due to proper sourcing of news.
You're really looking to the fringe lefty sources to keep pushing your narrative here, aren't you Marcos?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Mueller was never going to end Donald Trump’s presidency. It was never up to Mueller. It was always up to Mitch McConnell.
The idea of Mueller as a kind of deus ex machina capable of rescuing the American people from the Trump presidency has taken on almost comical proportions. A recent NPR story canvassed families whose dying relatives expressed a concern that they’d never get to read the Mueller report. In Vanity Fair, Rachel Dodes wrote an ode to “Robert Swan Mueller III” (“may I call you Swan?”), the “dreamiest G-man to ever hunt for collusion.” Spike Lee — Spike Lee! — became so enamored of a former FBI director that he started selling “God Protect Robert Mueller” T-shirts.
This conviction that The Law would eventually come down and smite Trump is, of course, broader than just Mueller himself. But if Trump’s going to leave office, it’s not going to be because the other shoe drops, and some morsel of information about Trump heretofore unknown to the public is going to force him to resign in shame or be forced out. There’s no revelation that can do that when [gesticulates wildly to literally everything that has happened and been revealed since 2015] was not enough.
If he’s going to leave office, it will be because he loses the 2020 election, is term-limited in 2024, or passes away. Barring a surprise 67-vote Democratic majority in his second term, there’s no fourth option.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/24/18279903/robert-mueller-repo
rt-letter-reactions-impeachment
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A year before his letter Sunday telling lawmakers he did not believe President Donald Trump committed obstruction of justice, Attorney General William Barr authored a memo saying he thought the obstruction investigation was "fatally misconceived."
Trump went on to nominate Barr to lead the Justice Department on a permanent basis after Trump fired Attorney General Jeff Sessions in early November.
Did Trump pick Barr for some other reason than Barr had already decided a year ago that Trump did not obstruct justice?
www.cnn.com/2019/03/24/politics/barr-memo-mueller/index.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Sure.
Originally posted by second:
Mueller was never going to end Donald Trump’s presidency.
Only halfway through the 'Countdown' thread and I have over two pages of posts just about Mueller, ticky-tacking his way to Trump's presidency. Oh, and plenty of your posts on the same subject are in there, too, sugar. Most posts have supporting links from the MSM - yanno, it was an official narrative.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61377&p=49
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61377&p=50
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61377&p=51
So don't give me your fucking lying bullshit - mkay?
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I agree Thg. This is not so simple a fix. What people are failing to understand is that many of the norms of our democracy have been scattered to
the four winds. Lady Liberty, holding up her torch of freedom, has been raped and left for dead. All in the name of GREED.
Mueller has completed his investigation without interviewing the president or his children. Also without charging or even indicting the president. No collusion, but no vindication either. Of course, there will be dancing in the
streets of the far right and his followers. But I will not succumb to the relentlessly asinine behavior of people totally gulping down the Kool-Aid.
Really, I came to expect this, especially when Barr was hand-delivered by Congress to the president. What else is new, the man literally wrote that
he would find in favor of the president, way before Mueller had even concluded
his findings. I am not surprised, although I heard that Trump's lawyers were -
especially Giuliani.
We need to resolve to ourselves that this is a sign of the times. Even as the
finding by Mueller is "found no collusion" but "we didn't exonerate" on obstruction, you will hear people say - "no collusion, no obstruction."
What we the people need is the full report, plain and simple. We need to hear
from Mueller, and Barr. How did he come to that conclusion, especially after
a nearly 2-year investigation, how is it that he came to his decision in light of the fact that Mueller deferred to DOJ in the final analysis. What went into his (Barr's) thinking? What were Mueller's thoughts and did Rosenstein just
go along with the AG.
Too many questions and too few answers. For now, Trump walks.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
This is just the beginning.
Tick tock!
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by THG:
Mueller handed in his report. We should start learning a few things this weekend.
tick tock
Yep, just a new phase of the investigation into Trump and his super corrupt administration. The rule of law is running it's course and that's what the trolls don't get.
They also don't get that they've exposed themselves as trolls who care nothing about the crimes exposed. They only talk about collusion. If conspiracy is not proven then to them Trump is somehow vindicated. That level of ignorance is off the charts.
tick tock
T
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Yep SGG, you have Trump dead to rights. Guilty of collusion before a verdict, or an arrest, or even an indictment. THAT'S American justice!
Do you think Mueller should be investigated now too, or what? After all, he must OBVIOUSLY be in SOMEbody's pocket!
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To answer your question regarding "slimy tactics" the answer is NO.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh of course, both parties are good at tactical obstruction or, even better, selective prosecution by our law and intelligence agencies for political purposes.
The question is, will you criticize the Democratic party when they engage in the same slimy tactics as Republicans?
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Here, since you're so interested...
Quote:
To answer your question regarding "slimy tactics" the answer is NO.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
My reply should be Benghazi, but I'll simply say: Why? Don't you think that the Republicans would take advantage were it about Obama? Stringing things out is their M.O.Quote:It's a fair question and I'll be curious to see the outcome.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh of course, both parties are good at tactical obstruction or, even better, selective prosecution by our law and intelligence agencies for political purposes.
The question is, will you criticize the Democratic party when they engage in the same slimy tactics as Republicans?
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You've got to be fucking kidding me.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Yep SGG, you have Trump dead to rights. Guilty of collusion before a verdict, or an arrest, or even an indictment. THAT'S American justice!
Do you think Mueller should be investigated now too, or what? After all, he must OBVIOUSLY be in SOMEbody's pocket!
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Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Here, since you're so interested...Quote:
To answer your question regarding "slimy tactics" the answer is NO.
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by rue:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
My reply should be Benghazi, but I'll simply say: Why? Don't you think that the Republicans would take advantage were it about Obama? Stringing things out is their M.O.Quote:It's a fair question and I'll be curious to see the outcome.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh of course, both parties are good at tactical obstruction or, even better, selective prosecution by our law and intelligence agencies for political purposes.
The question is, will you criticize the Democratic party when they engage in the same slimy tactics as Republicans?
So, to be clear, you won't crticize Dems for doing the same things that you criticize Repubs for? Is that right?
If it's true that you're willing to be such an openly amoral hypocrite, then you deserve everything that your unjust system will perpetuate.
But for the life of me I can't imagine how you could then think of yourself as "shiny" and "good".
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Originally posted by rue:
Yep SGG, you have Trump dead to rights. Guilty of collusion before a verdict, or an arrest, or even an indictment. THAT'S American justice!
Do you think Mueller should be investigated now too, or what? After all, he must OBVIOUSLY be in SOMEbody's pocket!
Quote:I was going along with your joke.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You've got to be fucking kidding me.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Mueller has completed his investigation without interviewing the president or his children. Also without charging or even indicting the president.
Really, I came to expect this, especially when Barr was hand-delivered by Congress to the president. What else is new, the man literally wrote that
he would find in favor of the president, way before Mueller had even concluded
his findings.
We need to hear
from Mueller, and Barr. How did he come to that conclusion, especially after
a nearly 2-year investigation ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I agree Thg. This is not so simple a fix. What people are failing to understand is that many of the norms of our democracy have been scattered to
the four winds. Lady Liberty, holding up her torch of freedom, has been raped and left for dead. All in the name of GREED.
Mueller has completed his investigation without interviewing the president or his children. Also without charging or even indicting the president. No collusion, but no vindication either. Of course, there will be dancing in the
streets of the far right and his followers. But I will not succumb to the relentlessly asinine behavior of people totally gulping down the Kool-Aid.
Really, I came to expect this, especially when Barr was hand-delivered by Congress to the president. What else is new, the man literally wrote that
he would find in favor of the president, way before Mueller had even concluded
his findings. I am not surprised, although I heard that Trump's lawyers were -
especially Giuliani.
We need to resolve to ourselves that this is a sign of the times. Even as the
finding by Mueller is "found no collusion" but "we didn't exonerate" on obstruction, you will hear people say - "no collusion, no obstruction."
What we the people need is the full report, plain and simple. We need to hear
from Mueller, and Barr. How did he come to that conclusion, especially after
a nearly 2-year investigation, how is it that he came to his decision in light of the fact that Mueller deferred to DOJ in the final analysis. What went into his (Barr's) thinking? What were Mueller's thoughts and did Rosenstein just
go along with the AG.
Too many questions and too few answers. For now, Trump walks.
SGGQuote:
Originally posted:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
This is just the beginning.
Tick tock!
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by THG:
Mueller handed in his report. We should start learning a few things this weekend.
tick tock
Yep, just a new phase of the investigation into Trump and his super corrupt administration. The rule of law is running it's course and that's what the trolls don't get.
They also don't get that they've exposed themselves as trolls who care nothing about the crimes exposed. They only talk about collusion. If conspiracy is not proven then to them Trump is somehow vindicated. That level of ignorance is off the charts.
tick tock
T
Somebody's head is exploding.
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As much as I loathed dubya, I never even considered that the FBI-CIA-NSA-DIA-DOJ-MI6 should collude in a coup to removed a Constitutionally elected US President. By the tempo of leaked, unverified accusations it was clear to me we were being "WMD'd" over .TRUMP.RUSSIA.ELECTION.COLLUSION. And as the investigation went on and the fish were smaller and less savory, it was obvious the barrel had been fished-out. What was going on was pretty obvious. After rolling out the accusations, Mueller was put in place to remove Trump.
The question is - did the people here actually believe that Trump colluded with Russia? Or were they so deranged by hate they were willing engage in an illegitimate dictatorial coup just to get rid of him?
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Quote:They knew Trump was innocent. They knew Flynn was, too.
Originally posted by rue:
As much as I loathed dubya, I never even considered that the FBI-CIA-NSA-DIA-DOJ-MI6 should collude in a coup to removed a Constitutionally elected US President. By the tempo of leaked, unverified accusations it was clear to me we were being "WMD'd" over .TRUMP.RUSSIA.ELECTION.COLLUSION. And as the investigation went on and the fish were smaller and less savory, it was obvious the barrel had been fished-out. What was going on was pretty obvious. After rolling out the accusations, Mueller was put in place to remove Trump.
The question is - did the people here actually believe that Trump colluded with Russia? Or were they so deranged by hate they were willing engage in an illegitimate dictatorial coup just to get rid of him?
That's why they did the whole entrapment and set-up attempts to try to fabricate sokething, all to cover up their crimes - or delay enough for the Statutes of Limitations to run out, which many of them have.
You should peruse some of the pertinent threads, like Nunes Memo, Grassley Memo, etc. The whole scam is explained in a couple places.
If they weren't pursuing illegitimate objectives, they would have put real lawyers,honest Prosecutors on the team, not those Crooks in Suits.
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Quote:rue/1kiki: If any of the 6 groups you mentioned ( FBI-CIA-NSA-DIA-DOJ-MI6 ) staged a coup, they could create false evidence on paper or video more convincing than real evidence for an impeachment. Then there is always murder: Remember the Kennedy Assassination conspiracy? On Firefly, killing solves problems. Mal staged an "accidental" death of Jayne at the main airlock. Then Jayne talked his way out of an execution. CIA could blow up Mar-a-Lago and make it look like N Korea did it with a nuke on a boat just off shore of Trump's club. That is coup.
Originally posted by rue:
As much as I loathed dubya, I never even considered that the FBI-CIA-NSA-DIA-DOJ-MI6 should collude in a coup to removed a Constitutionally elected US President. By the tempo of leaked, unverified accusations it was clear to me we were being "WMD'd" over .TRUMP.RUSSIA.ELECTION.COLLUSION. And as the investigation went on and the fish were smaller and less savory, it was obvious the barrel had been fished-out. What was going on was pretty obvious. After rolling out the accusations, Mueller was put in place to remove Trump.
The question is - did the people here actually believe that Trump colluded with Russia? Or were they so deranged by hate they were willing engage in an illegitimate dictatorial coup just to get rid of him?
www.history.com/news/why-the-public-stopped-believing-the-government-a
bout-jfks-murder
https://warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/features/indira-gandhi-assassinati
on/
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Quote:What YOU fail to realize, SHINY, is that Lady Liberty is the victim of serial rape by multiple Presidents and Congresspeople of both parties over decades.
I agree Thg. This is not so simple a fix. What people are failing to understand is that many of the norms of our democracy have been scattered to the four winds. Lady Liberty, holding up her torch of freedom, has been raped and left for dead. All in the name of GREED.
Do you honestly think that GREED IN OFFICE just began two years ago? If you do .... how fucking stupid ARE you?
Quote:Because ... he did not find EVIDENCE to charge or indict.
Mueller has completed his investigation without interviewing the president or his children. Also without charging or even indicting the president.
Man, you just don't "get it", do you? You're so convinced that Trump colluded, or obstructed justice, or SOMEthing, that the facts just don't get in your way. IF there was collusion, it would have left EVIDENCE. Since the NSA was snooping in on Trump and his campaign team, don't you think they would have found SOMEthing?
But here's a flaw in the investigation that nobody mentioned: Mueller repeats without question the oft-repeated mantra of Russia "hacking" the DNC server and once again repeats the oft-repeated mantra that Assange spread the Russian-obtain Podesta emails without ever once interviewing Assange - who has repeated more than once that the source was NOT Russia. But if Russia didn't "hack" the USA election, how can Trump possibly have "colluded"? There is no "quid pro quo", no possible "this for that" because "that" never occurred. The USA deep state is so dead-set against justice for Assange that they refuse to even interview him in an acceptable forum so that he can provide evidence for his innocence.
Quote:Seems like you just shot down your argument. After all, if "the fix was in" then the results should have been accepted as a matter of course. Apparently you dismiss YOUR OWN logic.
Really, I came to expect this, especially when Barr was hand-delivered by Congress to the president. What else is new, the man literally wrote that he would find in favor of the president, way before Mueller had even concluded his findings. I am not surprised, although I heard that Trump's lawyers were - especially Giuliani.
Quote:Mueller did to Trump what Comey did to Hillary, which was a bad precedent. A prosecutor should either indict and shut up, or don't indict and shut up.
We need to resolve to ourselves that this is a sign of the times. Even as the
finding by Mueller is "found no collusion" but "we didn't exonerate" on obstruction, you will hear people say - "no collusion, no obstruction." What we the people need is the full report, plain and simple. We need to hear from Mueller, and Barr. How did he come to that conclusion, especially after a nearly 2-year investigation, how is it that he came to his decision in light of the fact that Mueller deferred to DOJ in the final analysis. What went into his (Barr's) thinking? What were Mueller's thoughts and did Rosenstein just go along with the AG.
*****
I have NO DOUBT that Trump is guilty of financial crimes and ran his foundation as a personal piggy-bank, just as I have NO DOUBT that Hillary (among other things) ran a "pay to play" operation from the State Department and that she and Bill ran THEIR foundation as a personal piggy-bank and that Bill is a serial sexual predator.
IMHO just about everyone in office in DC is corrupt, and to pretend that this just started happening two years ago is so asinine it beggars contemplation. IF there were any justice in our "justice" system, half of our politicians would be in jail and there would be a lot less money in politics. But such is our "justice system" that it tolerates outright corruption and only punishes the outsider.
If yo
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Quote:Nice rant! Do you recommend that Americans solve this problem with mass assassination of politicians? Or, taking it down a notch, Americans take more interest in voting in primaries, selecting candidates that aren't obviously defective morally? Next time, choose Ted Cruz, the lesser of two evils, over Trump.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
IMHO just about everyone in office in DC is corrupt, and to pretend that this just started happening two years ago is so asinine it beggars contemplation. IF there were any justice in our "justice" system, half of our politicians would be in jail and there would be a lot less money in politics. But such is our "justice system" that it tolerates outright corruption and only punishes the outsider.
If you want REAL justice you would apply the laws evenly and without favor, but ... you don't. So don't come crying to us about "justice" and "Lady Liberty" and "greed" because - coming from you - that's just a sick, stupid joke.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Nice asinine post SECOND.
Nice rant! Do you recommend that Americans solve this problem with mass assassination of politicians? Or, taking it down a notch, Americans take more interest in voting in primaries, selecting candidates that aren't obviously defective morally? Next time, choose Ted Cruz, the lesser of two evils, over Trump.
We have a SYSTEMS problem, not a "morals" one. Try thinking about that for a change.
My god, but you're stupid. And a liar. But most of all, you're religious: You have your delusions and nothing will shake them from you. So "thinking" ... for you? Not an option!
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Quote:The source is irrelevant. Just the factuality of the article. This is a case where it's spot-on. Mueller did indeed hand off several investigations to other entitities.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're really looking to the fringe lefty sources to keep pushing your narrative here, aren't you Marcos?
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Quote:In the past, I didn't wait for the Vietnamese legal system to solve a dilemma I faced. I solved it all by myself with a machine gun. I did not wait years for an investigation to start or a final report. And there was no appeals process. If God or Karma disagreed with my decision, both are taking their time to let me know how they feel. But I feel that I permanently smoothed out a problem and I take pride in being effective and decisive. There were no unexpected consequences, unlike here:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Nice asinine post SECOND.
We have a SYSTEMS problem, not a "morals" one. Try thinking about that for a change.
My god, but you're stupid. And a liar. But most of all, you're religious: You have your delusions and nothing will shake them from you. So "thinking" ... for you? Not an option!
https://warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/features/indira-gandhi-assassinati
on/
I'm not going to smooth out the problem of Trump because if he gets reelected, I am guaranteed more tax cuts: "The government set a record with a $234 billion deficit in February"
www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/the-government-ran-a-544-billi
on-deficit-over-the-first-5-months-of-the-fiscal-year/2019/03/22/932d3438-4cc8-11e9-9663-00ac73f49662_story.html
Quote:President Mike Pence would not be irresponsible like Trump nor as helpful to the rich.
The government spent $234 billion more than it brought in through tax receipts last month, much more than the deficit levels hit during the global financial crisis.
I won't vote for Trump, but I hope Donald J Trump gives himself and me many more tax cuts.
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Bill Barr’s Weasel Words
All the ways the attorney general is spinning the Mueller report to protect Trump.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/mueller-report-barr-summar
y-obstruction-conspiracy-close-reading.html
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Quote:Trump's appointee, Barr, made Trump look good. That is expected.
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Bill Barr’s Weasel Words
All the ways the attorney general is spinning the Mueller report to protect Trump.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/mueller-report-barr-summar
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In a thousand tweets and comments, Trump was angry at Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who appointed Mueller. Trump was even more angry at Attorney General Jeff Sessions for allowing Mueller to investigate. Trump attacked Mueller thousands of times. Mueller kept to his job. What Mueller actually wrote is important. What Barr wrote about Mueller's report is unimportant, except to Trump, who says Mueller completely exonerated Trump of all lawlessness. Mueller and his report did not do what Trump said it does.
Trump's attacks on Sessions, Rosenstein, Mueller are all information about Trump being afraid. Trump said nothing true about these men. He said nothing true about the report because he has not seen it. But Trump said in many words that Trump committed crimes that he won't be going on trial for.
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Originally posted by rue:
Yep SGG, you have Trump dead to rights. Guilty of collusion before a verdict, or an arrest, or even an indictment. THAT'S American justice!
Do you think Mueller should be investigated now too, or what? After all, he must OBVIOUSLY be in SOMEbody's pocket!
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LOL...
At this point, I think JSF is right.
Why feed the trolls. They just lost, and the last two years of bitching and hoping and praying were completely wasted.
They're just losers at this point.
It would be funny if it wasn't so very, very sad.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Personally, I find Friday's headline great fun, not sad, because the money is going to me and Trump, as Trump intended all along:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It would be funny if it wasn't so very, very sad.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
"The government set a record with a $234 billion deficit in February"
www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/the-government-ran-a-544-billi
on-deficit-over-the-first-5-months-of-the-fiscal-year/2019/03/22/932d3438-4cc8-11e9-9663-00ac73f49662_story.html
Quote:6ixStringJack, please don't change your mind about Trump. Keep voting for him. He is wonderful for people like me.
The government spent $234 billion more than it brought in through tax receipts last month, much more than the deficit levels hit during the global financial crisis.
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Quote:And you wonder why everyone here thinks you're stupid.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
LOL...
At this point, I think JSF is right.
Why feed the trolls. They just lost, and the last two years of bitching and hoping and praying were completely wasted.
They're just losers at this point.
It would be funny if it wasn't so very, very sad.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
As much as I loathed dubya, I never even considered that the FBI-CIA-NSA-DIA-DOJ-MI6 should collude in a coup to removed a Constitutionally elected US President. By the tempo of leaked, unverified accusations it was clear to me we were being "WMD'd" over .TRUMP.RUSSIA.ELECTION.COLLUSION. And as the investigation went on and the fish were smaller and less savory, it was obvious the barrel had been fished-out. What was going on was pretty obvious. After rolling out the accusations, Mueller was put in place to remove Trump.
The question is - did the people here actually believe that Trump colluded with Russia? Or were they so deranged by hate they were willing engage in an illegitimate dictatorial coup just to get rid of him?
Quote:fify
Originally posted by second:
rue/1kiki: blah blah blah blah blah blah
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Quote:I think you're both right. 'Collusion' is kaput. And now the ppl who pinned their hopes on Mueller are crying, tantruming children. They should have this thread where they can all blubber together and kick their widdle feet, and tell each other what big, bad meanies the grown-ups in the real world are.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
LOL...
At this point, I think JSF is right.
Why feed the trolls. They just lost, and the last two years of bitching and hoping and praying were completely wasted.
They're just losers at this point.
It would be funny if it wasn't so very, very sad.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I think you're both right. 'Collusion' is kaput. And now the ppl who pinned their hopes on Mueller are crying, tantruming children. They should have this thread where they can all blubber together and kick their widdle feet, and tell each other what big, bad meanies the grown-ups in the real world are.
Everyone here thinks your fake alt is as dumb as you are.
It's how we know. You say the same moronic things.
Nothing's "kaput." Do your little vodka dance, but remember the adults haven't settled anything yet.
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The Supreme Court on Monday rejected an appeal from a company owned by an unidentified foreign government that has refused to turn over information subpoenaed by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.
The company, whose identity remains a mystery with details filed under seal, is facing a $50,000 per day court-imposed fine for failure to turn over documents responsive to a grand jury subpoena. Fines for the company have been accruing since January and could total nearly $3.5 million.
The high court’s decision comes after Mueller turned over his final report to Attorney General William Barr. Despite the fact that the investigation is complete, the fines on the company will continue to accrue until the grand jury is discharged.
www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-rejects-appeal-from-mystery-cor
poration-subpoenaed-by-mueller
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John Dean was Nixon's lawyer. He tweeted:
John Dean @JohnWDean
Having re-read William Barr’s June 2018 Memo critiquing Mueller’s obstruction investigation and now his summary of Mueller’s Report, it is clear that Richard Nixon would not have been forced to resign his office if Barr had been Attorney General. Barr wants a POTUS above the law.
8:18 PM - 24 Mar 2019
https://twitter.com/JohnWDean/status/1110018213813739520
John Dean was dubbed the “master manipulator” of the Watergate scandal by the FBI. He eventually turned on Nixon and cooperated with the investigation, a move that ultimately helped to end the presidency.
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'We know how to do this better than anybody': Southern District of NY on the job after Mueller probe ends
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/we-know-how-do-better-an
ybody-southern-district-ny-job-n978681
...prosecutors in Manhattan's Southern District aren't saddled with a limited mandate like special counsel Robert Mueller in his Russia probe; they can follow the trail wherever it leads.
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I still think the Mueller investigation was actually good. It brought down human shitstains like Manafort, Flynn, Stone, etc. It exposed a ton of corruption at the highest levels of this administration.
The fact that people see the "no collusion" result of the investigation as a win for Trump is directly related to the fools who thought big bad Sheriff Mueller was going to ride into town and shoot Trump in a fucking high-noon gun battle.
It's funny, too, that all the trumptards who called the Mueller investigation a witch-hunt for so long are just now pretending they think it’s entirely legitimate.
Nunes, who was a back channel directly from the House investigation to Trump himself, said that we should burn the report because it's a partisan smear. Where did he get that? Is there something Barr isn't telling us?
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