Mueller Investigation Is Over / Part two are the trials. Hey Jack, I Was Right. 20 Plus Russians Charged, 19 Of Trumps People Convicted of Felonies.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, March 30, 2019 12:49 PM (P)

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Still not seeing Colbert's full throated apology.

Don't hold your breath. Maybe Hilliary didn't give this c@ckholster permission.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, March 30, 2019 3:13 PM (P)

Take note, everyone. When Leftists are called out for being wrong, or making completely false claims, in their attempt to mock, ridicule and besmirch someone else, are proven wrong, they never, ever apologize.

They are cowards. Immature and utterly w/ out honor.

They double down and repeat the lie, mock more, and ridicule again.

Colbert did it , and is a coward for not coming forth and manning up to his false characterization of Trump.

Smollett did it , claiming his 100% fictional story being attacked, by MAGA supporters, was accurate. Even after the 2 ' attackers ' have fessed up to the staged crime.

Now Schiff-for-brains, who laughably is the chair of the Dem led Intel. Committee, is story telling again. Claims he and he alone has evidence that no one else has seen, that Mueller apparently didn't know about, that 40 FBI agents never got around to reviewing, after 2 + years ... yet this sniveling quim has the goods ?

Schiff-for-brains displays delusion and narcissism on a truly grand scale. He's a small peckered man longing for status and fame in compensation for his lack of ' substance '.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

REAVERFAN

Saturday, March 30, 2019 5:58 PM (P)

Let's get in the way-back machine and go to Clinton's impeachment.

Ken Starr hands in his voluminous report after a long wait. The AG, Janet Reno, takes the report, and writes a short summary of it saying the president did no wrong.

Settled. Nothing to see here. Move along...

THG

Saturday, March 30, 2019 7:17 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Let's get in the way-back machine and go to Clinton's impeachment.

Ken Starr hands in his voluminous report after a long wait. The AG, Janet Reno, takes the report, and writes a short summary of it saying the president did no wrong.

Settled. Nothing to see here. Move along...

I see that the fact that the Mueller report and whats in it is only being discussed by Trumps hand picked attorney general is lost to some. Not to worry reaver, the truth will be revealed when the democrats get their hands on it.

tick tock

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 30, 2019 7:29 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Let's get in the way-back machine and go to Clinton's impeachment.

Ken Starr hands in his voluminous report after a long wait. The AG, Janet Reno, takes the report, and writes a short summary of it saying the president did no wrong.

Settled. Nothing to see here. Move along...

I see that the fact that the Mueller report and whats in it is only being discussed by Trumps hand picked attorney general is lost to some. Not to worry reaver, the truth will be revealed when the democrats get their hands on it.

tick tock

T

There's supposed to be an apostrophe in what's. It's called a contraction.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Saturday, March 30, 2019 8:07 PM (P)

Shoo troll...

T

THG

Saturday, March 30, 2019 8:17 PM (P)

G, as you are aware, I've posted here what reputable news outlets uncovered about Trump, his campaign team and administration. Facts that kiki and the other Russian trolls here could only respond to by saying no collusion. That's because they could not argue against facts. I did opine on what the evidence ( facts ) enlightened us about. All of which stands as irrefutable today.

Who gives a shit about what the Russian trolls say. Really, who the fuck cares. All I would say to them is you're welcome. You're welcome we freed many of you from the grip of the Soviet Union so you could troll your saviors from a place of safety.

T

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Saturday, March 30, 2019 8:20 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Let's get in the way-back machine and go to Clinton's impeachment.

Ken Starr hands in his voluminous report after a long wait. The AG, Janet Reno, takes the report, and writes a short summary of it saying the president did no wrong.

Settled. Nothing to see here. Move along...

I see that the fact that the Mueller report and whats in it is only being discussed by Trumps hand picked attorney general is lost to some. Not to worry reaver, the truth will be revealed when the democrats get their hands on it.

tick tock

Question I have: does Mueller keep a copy of his report? An unredacted one so there's a way to compare and see what Barr and his people redact? I'm not sure about Maddow's contention that Mueller would have sent Barr the report already redacted for the instances that Barr cited, as if that was suspicious on Barr to claim it needed further blackouts. That doesn't sound accurate - I would imagine Mueller would send Barr a clean one.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, March 30, 2019 8:56 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted:
Quote:
Originally posted:
Let's get in the way-back machine and go to Clinton's impeachment.

Ken Starr hands in his voluminous report after a long wait. The AG, Janet Reno, takes the report, and writes a short summary of it saying the president did no wrong.

Settled. Nothing to see here. Move along...
I see that the fact that the Mueller report and whats in it is only being discussed by Trumps hand picked attorney general is lost to some. Not to worry reaver, the truth will be revealed when the democrats get their hands on it.

tick tock

T
There's supposed to be an apostrophe in what's. It's called a contraction.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Attorney General should be capitalized.

SECOND

Saturday, March 30, 2019 9:53 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Question I have: does Mueller keep a copy of his report? An unredacted one so there's a way to compare and see what Barr and his people redact? I'm not sure about Maddow's contention that Mueller would have sent Barr the report already redacted for the instances that Barr cited, as if that was suspicious on Barr to claim it needed further blackouts. That doesn't sound accurate - I would imagine Mueller would send Barr a clean one.

It makes no difference to Trump voters what is inside the unredacted report. The top Republican on the House Intelligence panel called Mueller’s investigation “fraudulent” and “partisan”.

If you know even one Trump voter who will change their mind after seeing the report, aren't you lucky. Where I live, they already made up their minds from last week, after being told by Trump what to believe, until the end of time or until Trump changes his mind, whichever comes first.

www.salon.com/2019/03/25/rep-devin-nunes-dismisses-special-counsel-rob
ert-muellers-final-report-we-can-just-burn-it-up_partner/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Saturday, March 30, 2019 10:10 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It makes no difference to Trump voters what is inside the unredacted report. The top Republican on the House Intelligence panel called Mueller’s investigation “fraudulent” and “partisan”.

If you know even one Trump voter who will change their mind after seeing the report, aren't you lucky. Where I live, they already made up their minds from last week, after being told by Trump what to believe, until the end of time or until Trump changes his mind, whichever comes first.

I don't really care about Trump voters. As you say, their minds are made up. As Trump said before he was even the nominee, "I could shoot someone in broad daylight on 5th avenue and I get away with it."

I don't really care what Trump says either, for that matter. After 2 years of him lying relentlessly or being mental, it's, "Tell us something we don't know."

I do care about the 45% of Undecideds. Mueller's report - unredacted - could be persuasive.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 30, 2019 10:54 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It makes no difference to Trump voters what is inside the unredacted report. The top Republican on the House Intelligence panel called Mueller’s investigation “fraudulent” and “partisan”.

If you know even one Trump voter who will change their mind after seeing the report, aren't you lucky. Where I live, they already made up their minds from last week, after being told by Trump what to believe, until the end of time or until Trump changes his mind, whichever comes first.

I don't really care about Trump voters. As you say, their minds are made up. As Trump said before he was even the nominee, "I could shoot someone in broad daylight on 5th avenue and I get away with it."

I don't really care what Trump says either, for that matter. After 2 years of him lying relentlessly or being mental, it's, "Tell us something we don't know."

I do care about the 45% of Undecideds. Mueller's report - unredacted - could be persuasive.

Good luck with that. Mueller's report, unredacted, would drop thousands of names of people who were investigated but not indicted with anything. It would be a huge breech of privacy that would open them and their families to the hate of the extreme left, both online and in the real world.

You're never going to see an unredacted Mueller report.

You'd best go back to begging Trump for his tax returns. That's a much more plausible scenario.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Saturday, March 30, 2019 11:02 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:

I do care about the 45% of Undecideds. Mueller's report - unredacted - could be persuasive.

Anybody who is still undecided about Trump is making their decision on a coin flip. If the unredacted report makes the undecided lean in one direction, they won't maintain that direction. The winds of current events closer to the election will spin them around and around. "I'm undecided because I don't like either." By Nov 2020 they will go back to their coin toss mode of deciding who to vote for: what does the economy feel like? What is the weather? Which name comes first on the ballot? It is random with the undecided.
https://prospect.org/article/forecasting-follies

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RUE

Saturday, March 30, 2019 11:22 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Take note, everyone. When Leftists are called out for being wrong, or making completely false claims, in their attempt to mock, ridicule and besmirch someone else, are proven wrong, they never, ever apologize.

They are cowards. Immature and utterly w/ out honor.

They double down and repeat the lie, mock more, and ridicule again.

Colbert did it , and is a coward for not coming forth and manning up to his false characterization of Trump.

Smollett did it , claiming his 100% fictional story being attacked, by MAGA supporters, was accurate. Even after the 2 ' attackers ' have fessed up to the staged crime.

Now Schiff-for-brains, who laughably is the chair of the Dem led Intel. Committee, is story telling again. Claims he and he alone has evidence that no one else has seen, that Mueller apparently didn't know about, that 40 FBI agents never got around to reviewing, after 2 + years ... yet this sniveling quim has the goods ?

Schiff-for-brains displays delusion and narcissism on a truly grand scale. He's a small peckered man longing for status and fame in compensation for his lack of ' substance '.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I hear you, Rap, ETA: minus the claim about Schiff's pecker.

But I do think Pelosi is Schiff's beard in this. All of her calling on democrats to do the people's business and stop focusing on Trump has fallen, and is falling on deaf ears. Democrats but especially Schiff remain hyper-fixated on Trump. Now either everyone is treating Pelosi like a mousy substitute teacher and running amok while she meekly calls for attention over and over - which I doubt - or this is a plan to HIDE THAT THEY ARE INTENTIONALLY FAILING THE PEOPLE WHILE THEY PLAY POLITICAL GAMES. And this is all the more likely as Pelosi is defending Schiff.

RUE

Saturday, March 30, 2019 11:27 PM (P)

Mueller Investagation (sic) Is Over

Yep - it's all over but for the weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth ... and the severe grinding of mental gears.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, March 31, 2019 12:38 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Mueller Investagation (sic) Is Over

Yep - it's all over but for the weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth ... and the severe grinding of mental gears.

You cannot possibly expect Trolls to spell correctly in a thread title.

Think of all the steam power generated by these Trolls overheating their tiny cerebral housings. We should adapt earmuffs to capture this energy.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, March 31, 2019 12:40 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It makes no difference to Trump voters what is inside the unredacted report. The top Republican on the House Intelligence panel called Mueller’s investigation “fraudulent” and “partisan”.

If you know even one Trump voter who will change their mind after seeing the report, aren't you lucky. Where I live, they already made up their minds from last week, after being told by Trump what to believe, until the end of time or until Trump changes his mind, whichever comes first.
I don't really care about Trump voters. As you say, their minds are made up.

Says the Troll who had his tiny mind made up 2 years ago, along with all of the other Trolls and Fake News consumers.

How ironic and sad.

SECOND

Sunday, March 31, 2019 1:58 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Says the Troll who had his tiny mind made up 2 years ago, along with all of the other Trolls and Fake News consumers.

How ironic and sad.

My good fortune depends upon predicting. I don't hope for the best nor do I wait for the worst to arrive then react too late to make a difference. You can do what you want and have the crappy life you deserve, JSF. That's not me.

Do the results so far look like the huge, sustained boom the Trump camp promised, or the brief sugar high predicted by the critics?

Trump is a special kind of leader. When things don’t go his way, when events fail to turn out as he promised, he always knows exactly what to do: Blame someone else. Sure enough, he’s now asserting that we’d be having a yuge economic boom, 3 percent growth, all that, if only the Federal Reserve hadn’t raised interest rates.

O. K., this is where you need to be able to hold two ideas in your head at the same time. Was the Fed wrong to raise rates? Probably yes. Does this account for the failure of the Trump tax cut? No.

More at www.nytimes.com/2019/03/30/opinion/the-incredible-shrinking-trump-boom
.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Sunday, March 31, 2019 4:00 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Let's get in the way-back machine and go to Clinton's impeachment.

Ken Starr hands in his voluminous report after a long wait. The AG, Janet Reno, takes the report, and writes a short summary of it saying the president did no wrong.

Settled. Nothing to see here. Move along...

I see that the fact that the Mueller report and whats in it is only being discussed by Trumps hand picked attorney general is lost to some. Not to worry reaver, the truth will be revealed when the democrats get their hands on it.

tick tock

Question I have: does Mueller keep a copy of his report? An unredacted one so there's a way to compare and see what Barr and his people redact? I'm not sure about Maddow's contention that Mueller would have sent Barr the report already redacted for the instances that Barr cited, as if that was suspicious on Barr to claim it needed further blackouts. That doesn't sound accurate - I would imagine Mueller would send Barr a clean one.

Short answer G, definitely, 100% yes. There will always be an unredacted copy. Whether or not Mueller keeps one with him I doubt it.

Grand jury testimony has to be cleared for release by a judge before it can be released to the public. Not sure about congress getting it.

tick tock

T

REAVERFAN

Sunday, March 31, 2019 4:21 AM (P)

What's funny is that people expected Mueller, who has a long history of being a fascistic motherfucker, to suddenly be a good guy.

Mueller was a man who spread fatal myths about Iraqi WMDs, targeted and infiltrated radical environmental groups, concocted elaborate plots to entrap Muslims in fake terrorism cases and ran roughshod over basic constitutional rights while he was a top federal prosecutor and FBI director.

The fix was in. The Dems will investigate, but they're so bad at being effective.

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 31, 2019 4:31 AM (P)

Why is this thread still going? Doesn't post after post of outraged denial and rationalization get kinda stale after a while?

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 31, 2019 6:00 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
What's funny is that people expected Mueller, who has a long history of being a fascistic motherfucker, to suddenly be a good guy.

Mueller was a man who spread fatal myths about Iraqi WMDs, targeted and infiltrated radical environmental groups, concocted elaborate plots to entrap Muslims in fake terrorism cases and ran roughshod over basic constitutional rights while he was a top federal prosecutor and FBI director.

The fix was in. The Dems will investigate, but they're so bad at being effective.

Now he gets it!

I've been saying that about Mueller since the beginning.

Maybe you didn't hear me because I'm a Nazi?

lol

Thanks for also proving my prediction right that you guys would turn on Mueller like you did on Comey too, Marcos.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 31, 2019 6:03 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It makes no difference to Trump voters what is inside the unredacted report. The top Republican on the House Intelligence panel called Mueller’s investigation “fraudulent” and “partisan”.

If you know even one Trump voter who will change their mind after seeing the report, aren't you lucky. Where I live, they already made up their minds from last week, after being told by Trump what to believe, until the end of time or until Trump changes his mind, whichever comes first.

I don't really care about Trump voters. As you say, their minds are made up. As Trump said before he was even the nominee, "I could shoot someone in broad daylight on 5th avenue and I get away with it."

I don't really care what Trump says either, for that matter. After 2 years of him lying relentlessly or being mental, it's, "Tell us something we don't know."

I do care about the 45% of Undecideds. Mueller's report - unredacted - could be persuasive.

Good luck with that. Mueller's report, unredacted, would drop thousands of names of people who were investigated but not indicted with anything. It would be a huge breech of privacy that would open them and their families to the hate of the extreme left, both online and in the real world.

You're never going to see an unredacted Mueller report.

You'd best go back to begging Trump for his tax returns. That's a much more plausible scenario.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Also, maybe you can get Tom Arnold to release those taped conversations he's been saying he has of Trump saying a whole bunch of racist shit too.

That's also a much more plausible scenario than an unredacted Mueller report.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Sunday, March 31, 2019 5:32 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It makes no difference to Trump voters what is inside the unredacted report. The top Republican on the House Intelligence panel called Mueller’s investigation “fraudulent” and “partisan”.

If you know even one Trump voter who will change their mind after seeing the report, aren't you lucky. Where I live, they already made up their minds from last week, after being told by Trump what to believe, until the end of time or until Trump changes his mind, whichever comes first.

I don't really care about Trump voters. As you say, their minds are made up. As Trump said before he was even the nominee, "I could shoot someone in broad daylight on 5th avenue and I get away with it."

I don't really care what Trump says either, for that matter. After 2 years of him lying relentlessly or being mental, it's, "Tell us something we don't know."

I do care about the 45% of Undecideds. Mueller's report - unredacted - could be persuasive.

Good luck with that. Mueller's report, unredacted, would drop thousands of names of people who were investigated but not indicted with anything. It would be a huge breech of privacy that would open them and their families to the hate of the extreme left, both online and in the real world.

You're never going to see an unredacted Mueller report.

You'd best go back to begging Trump for his tax returns. That's a much more plausible scenario.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Also, maybe you can get Tom Arnold to release those taped conversations he's been saying he has of Trump saying a whole bunch of racist shit too.

That's also a much more plausible scenario than an unredacted Mueller report.

Unredacted to congress, dolt.

I think you should just stay focused on helping pedophiles get their message out, Mr. Censorship is Censorship. Don't overheat that little brain of yours with too many challenges.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 31, 2019 6:03 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It makes no difference to Trump voters what is inside the unredacted report. The top Republican on the House Intelligence panel called Mueller’s investigation “fraudulent” and “partisan”.

If you know even one Trump voter who will change their mind after seeing the report, aren't you lucky. Where I live, they already made up their minds from last week, after being told by Trump what to believe, until the end of time or until Trump changes his mind, whichever comes first.

I don't really care about Trump voters. As you say, their minds are made up. As Trump said before he was even the nominee, "I could shoot someone in broad daylight on 5th avenue and I get away with it."

I don't really care what Trump says either, for that matter. After 2 years of him lying relentlessly or being mental, it's, "Tell us something we don't know."

I do care about the 45% of Undecideds. Mueller's report - unredacted - could be persuasive.

Good luck with that. Mueller's report, unredacted, would drop thousands of names of people who were investigated but not indicted with anything. It would be a huge breech of privacy that would open them and their families to the hate of the extreme left, both online and in the real world.

You're never going to see an unredacted Mueller report.

You'd best go back to begging Trump for his tax returns. That's a much more plausible scenario.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Also, maybe you can get Tom Arnold to release those taped conversations he's been saying he has of Trump saying a whole bunch of racist shit too.

That's also a much more plausible scenario than an unredacted Mueller report.

Unredacted to congress, dolt.

I think you should just stay focused on helping pedophiles get their message out, Mr. Censorship is Censorship. Don't overheat that little brain of yours with too many challenges.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Here's your post. Show me where it says unredacted to Congress.

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I don't really care about Trump voters. As you say, their minds are made up. As Trump said before he was even the nominee, "I could shoot someone in broad daylight on 5th avenue and I get away with it."

I don't really care what Trump says either, for that matter. After 2 years of him lying relentlessly or being mental, it's, "Tell us something we don't know."

I do care about the 45% of Undecideds. Mueller's report - unredacted - could be persuasive.

That reads as if an unredacted report that the Undecideds could read would be persuasive. I don't give two shits if that's not what you meant.

Learn how to write.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Sunday, March 31, 2019 6:47 PM (P)

Long before special counsel Robert Mueller’s report found that the Trump campaign had not colluded with the Russian government, Felix Sater's name emerged in what seemed — on its face — to be direct evidence of such an effort.

“I will get Putin on this program and we will get Donald elected,” Sater famously wrote in a November 2015 email to Michael Cohen, then Trump’s personal attorney, that was first published in the New York Times. “Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it…I will get all of Putin’s team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”

That wasn’t collusion, Sater told The Intercept in an interview last week. “It’s called marketing. It’s giving both sides what they want.”

Eventually, Sater was called in to explain that to the prosecutors in Mueller’s office. While he declined to discuss the details of that interview, he did describe an exchange with Andrew Weissmann, one of Mueller’s senior prosecutors, during the meeting.

“What the hell is it with these emails?” Weissmann asked, according to Sater. “You really know how to be on the front page, don’t you, Felix?”

If Weissmann’s tone sounds casual and even jocular, it might be because the two men have known each other for 20 years. Weissmann supervised the 1998 stock fraud case that originally brought Sater into the government’s orbit as a cooperator. He is not the only member of Mueller’s team who goes way back with Sater. FBI Special Agent William McCausland who worked on former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn’s prosecution, handled Sater as early as 2003, after he became an informant. (“One of the hardest-working and best FBI agents I’ve ever worked with,” Sater said of McCausland.) Other former Eastern District prosecutors who were detailed to the special counsel include Zainab Ahmad and Greg Andres, who served as chief of the office’s criminal division at the time Sater was sentenced.

Peter Carr, the spokesperson for the special counsel’s office, declined to comment.

Sater’s history as an informant who worked with members of the special counsel’s team, coupled with his position at the center of the Trump-Russia story, raises the question of whether the Russia investigation was, ultimately, a circular exercise.

More at https://theintercept.com/2019/03/31/felix-sater-trump-russia-mueller-r
eport/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Sunday, March 31, 2019 6:58 PM (P)

As Felix Sater struggled to get Trump Moscow off the ground, he discovered a problem with the Trump brand, he told The Intercept.

“It had no value,” he said. “They didn’t want to pay Trump the licensing fee because they’re like, ‘Who the hell is Trump in Russia? Who knows him?’”

The solution materialized nearly a decade later when Trump’s 2016 campaign began to get traction, Sater said.

“When he started running and he started saying good shit about Putin and Putin started saying good shit about him and he started to get great ink in Russia, I was like, ‘Perfect,’” Sater said. “This is probably a perfect opportunity to get a Trump Tower Moscow done.”

The potential conflicts of interest triggered by a leading presidential candidate doing a secret multimillion-dollar business deal with help from a foreign power didn’t concern him.

“I wasn’t running,” Sater said. “I don’t need to worry about the morality of, ‘should a candidate be involved in business?’”

He dismissed any notion that the deal “was trying to give leverage to the Russians so they could Manchurian candidate our president. I was trying to make money.”

Sater wasn’t the only one, he said. The Trump Organization planned a global expansion after the election, which Trump and everyone around him assumed that he would lose.

“They were sitting there thinking about the 27 towers and the 27 different places they were going to build after the election,” he said. “Do you honestly think they were sitting there and saying ‘Who’s going to get the West Wing and who’s going to get the East Wing?’”

The Trump Organization did not respond to a request for comment.

More at https://theintercept.com/2019/03/31/felix-sater-trump-russia-mueller-r
eport/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Sunday, March 31, 2019 7:19 PM (P)

Donald Trump Claims Everyone Knew About Secret Russian Deal No One Knew About

Asked to comment on his former lawyer’s confession in federal court that the Trump Organization had secretly negotiated with the Russian government during the 2016 presidential campaign, Donald Trump attempted to sell the American people an outrageous lie.

“Everybody knew about it, it was written about in newspapers, it was a well-known project,” Trump claimed, falsely, about his company’s covert effort, “during the early part of ’16 and I guess even before that,” to develop a luxury skyscraper with help from Putin’s office and a former general in Russia’s military intelligence service.

In fact, the existence of such a project, which was being negotiated in secret during the entire span of the Republican primary campaign — from at least October 2015, when Trump signed a letter of intent with a Russian developer, through January 2016, when Cohen called an aide to Putin’s spokesperson, until some time after Trump secured the nomination in June — was not known about or reported at the time. There was no indication in the outline of Cohen’s confession sketched out by Special Counsel Robert Mueller on Thursday as to why the proposed deal was dropped, but the timeline might offer a clue. Cohen suddenly backed out of a trip to Russia arranged by the Kremlin on the afternoon of June 14, 2016 — about three hours after the Washington Post revealed that Russian hackers had penetrated the servers of the Democratic National Committee and stolen documents related to the election.

The Moscow project only became public knowledge the following year, after Trump’s inauguration as president. It was briefly mentioned in a 2017 New York Times report about another covert scheme also involving Cohen and Felix Sater, a convicted former FBI informant and longtime fixer for the Trump Organization with deep ties in Russia.

https://theintercept.com/2018/11/29/donald-trump-claims-everyone-knew-
secret-russian-deal-no-one-knew/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Sunday, March 31, 2019 8:20 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:

What's funny is that people expected Mueller, who has a long history of being a fascistic motherfucker, to suddenly be a good guy.

Mueller was a man who spread fatal myths about Iraqi WMDs, targeted and infiltrated radical environmental groups, concocted elaborate plots to entrap Muslims in fake terrorism cases and ran roughshod over basic constitutional rights while he was a top federal prosecutor and FBI director.

The fix was in. The Dems will investigate, but they're so bad at being effective.

Wow reaver, the perspective you have is not workable. Wait for it, it's coming. Fighting Trump with the same tactics that he employs destroys the rule of law and other institutions needed to have a successful democracy.

T

SECOND

Sunday, March 31, 2019 8:56 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:

Wow reaver, the perspective you have is not workable. Wait for it, it's coming. Fighting Trump with the same tactics that he employs destroys the rule of law and other institutions needed to have a successful democracy.

The only rule of law that counts is election day on Tuesday of November. All the investigations are just fuel for gossip about Trump because the 2019-2021 Senate term will never remove Trump. Only general election voters might do the job that GOP Senators have sworn to their Republican primary voters never to do.

Republican Senator Jeff Flake quit the Senate because GOP primary voters would not vote for him. Flake would vote to remove Trump, but no other Republican Senators will.
"Ex-GOP senator Flake hopes a Democrat beats Trump in 2020"
www.aol.com/article/news/2019/03/30/ex-gop-senator-flake-hopes-a-democ
rat-beats-trump-in-2020/23703093/

So what lessons should we take from history about prospects to impeach and remove Trump? There are three: 1. barring some truly amazing revelation (maybe videotape of Donald Trump taking money from a Putin agent) a Republican-controlled Senate is not going to remove him from office; 2. conservative domination of the president’s party will increase its solidarity with him; and 3. the atmosphere of partisan and ideological polarization will make defections from Trump even less likely.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/republican-solidarity-will-prot
ect-trump-from-impeachment.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Sunday, March 31, 2019 10:26 PM (P)

I see a battle between two forces here and both misrepresent the ideals this country is building upon. And yes, the progress is substantial .

Both are wrong. If either side got what they wanted, we too would live in a totalitarianism state like the Russians. No fucking thank you...

tick tock

T

SECOND

Sunday, March 31, 2019 10:58 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I see a battle between two forces here and both misrepresent the ideals this country is building upon. And yes, the progress is substantial .

Both are wrong. If either side got what they wanted, we too would live in a totalitarianism state like the Russians. No fucking thank you...

tick tock

Remember the Iraq War? Huge number of dead Iraqi civilians? No WMD? No investigation into Bush and Cheney for lying America into that war? Don't lose focus on those half million dead women and children. And yet there are very few Americans that want justice for Bush and Cheney. Trump is not worse than Bush or Cheney and Trump is not going to be punished. The vast majority of Americans don't care enough to punish Bush/Cheney and they won't care to punish Trump.
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/iraqi

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 31, 2019 11:41 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I see a battle between two forces here and both misrepresent the ideals this country is building upon. And yes, the progress is substantial .

Both are wrong. If either side got what they wanted, we too would live in a totalitarianism state like the Russians. No fucking thank you...

tick tock
Remember the Iraq War? Huge number of dead Iraqi civilians? No WMD? No investigation into Bush and Cheney for lying America into that war? Don't lose focus on those half million dead women and children. And yet there are very few Americans that want justice for Bush and Cheney. Trump is not worse than Bush or Cheney and Trump is not going to be punished. The vast majority of Americans don't care enough to punish Bush/Cheney and they won't care to punish Trump.
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/iraqi

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Careful, you two.

You're actually starting to say stuff that I agree with.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Monday, April 1, 2019 1:24 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I see a battle between two forces here and both misrepresent the ideals this country is building upon. And yes, the progress is substantial .

Both are wrong. If either side got what they wanted, we too would live in a totalitarianism state like the Russians. No fucking thank you...

tick tock
Remember the Iraq War? Huge number of dead Iraqi civilians? No WMD? No investigation into Bush and Cheney for lying America into that war? Don't lose focus on those half million dead women and children. And yet there are very few Americans that want justice for Bush and Cheney. Trump is not worse than Bush or Cheney and Trump is not going to be punished. The vast majority of Americans don't care enough to punish Bush/Cheney and they won't care to punish Trump.
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/iraqi

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

And a few hundred years ago we had a civil war that resulted in the freeing of the slaves. In the 60's blacks were still being hosed in the streets. America is a work in progress, emphasis on progress. Try and realize the times you live in and work towards a better future. Let's not relitigate the past over and over so much we're stuck there. At this point I still believe America is the worlds first best hope.

T

SECOND

Monday, April 1, 2019 2:39 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:

And a few hundred years ago we had a civil war that resulted in the freeing of the slaves. In the 60's blacks were still being hosed in the streets. America is a work in progress, emphasis on progress. Try and realize the times you live in and work towards a better future. Let's not relitigate the past over and over so much we're stuck there. At this point I still believe America is the worlds first best hope.

Jefferson Davis, Confederate President, was not executed for treason. Nor were 24 other U.S. Senators from the Confederate States executed. Among the not executed traitors were thousands of U.S. Army men such as Confederate General Robert E. Lee. If anybody in American history deserved death, those guys did. But nothing happened because the majority of Americans couldn't imagine it. If those treasonous monsters didn't get the justice they deserved, then Americans will forgive Trump for lesser crimes than murdering hundreds of thousands of loyal American citizens during a Civil War.

www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/expulsion_cases/CivilWar_E
xpulsion.htm#senate_action

There were more than 4300 documented lynchings of African Americans between 1877 and 1950 concentrated in 12 Southern states, but several other states are now covered. How many lynchers were brought to justice? None. Trump wanted to execute The Central Park Five. No jail time for Trump on that one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_National_Memorial_for_Peace_and_Just
ice
www.cnn.com/2016/10/06/politics/reality-check-donald-trump-central-par
k-5/index.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, April 1, 2019 2:47 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It makes no difference to Trump voters what is inside the unredacted report. The top Republican on the House Intelligence panel called Mueller’s investigation “fraudulent” and “partisan”.

If you know even one Trump voter who will change their mind after seeing the report, aren't you lucky. Where I live, they already made up their minds from last week, after being told by Trump what to believe, until the end of time or until Trump changes his mind, whichever comes first.

I don't really care about Trump voters. As you say, their minds are made up. As Trump said before he was even the nominee, "I could shoot someone in broad daylight on 5th avenue and I get away with it."

I don't really care what Trump says either, for that matter. After 2 years of him lying relentlessly or being mental, it's, "Tell us something we don't know."

I do care about the 45% of Undecideds. Mueller's report - unredacted - could be persuasive.

Good luck with that. Mueller's report, unredacted, would drop thousands of names of people who were investigated but not indicted with anything. It would be a huge breech of privacy that would open them and their families to the hate of the extreme left, both online and in the real world.

You're never going to see an unredacted Mueller report.

You'd best go back to begging Trump for his tax returns. That's a much more plausible scenario.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Also, maybe you can get Tom Arnold to release those taped conversations he's been saying he has of Trump saying a whole bunch of racist shit too.

That's also a much more plausible scenario than an unredacted Mueller report.

Unredacted to congress, dolt.

I think you should just stay focused on helping pedophiles get their message out, Mr. Censorship is Censorship. Don't overheat that little brain of yours with too many challenges.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Here's your post. Show me where it says unredacted to Congress.
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I don't really care about Trump voters. As you say, their minds are made up. As Trump said before he was even the nominee, "I could shoot someone in broad daylight on 5th avenue and I get away with it."

I don't really care what Trump says either, for that matter. After 2 years of him lying relentlessly or being mental, it's, "Tell us something we don't know."

I do care about the 45% of Undecideds. Mueller's report - unredacted - could be persuasive.

That reads as if an unredacted report that the Undecideds could read would be persuasive. I don't give two shits if that's not what you meant.

Learn how to write.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

It seems G-String must be gay. He really, really likes to get butt-slammed. Over and over.

THG

Monday, April 1, 2019 3:40 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:

And a few hundred years ago we had a civil war that resulted in the freeing of the slaves. In the 60's blacks were still being hosed in the streets. America is a work in progress, emphasis on progress. Try and realize the times you live in and work towards a better future. Let's not relitigate the past over and over so much we're stuck there. At this point I still believe America is the worlds first best hope.
Jefferson Davis, Confederate President, was not executed for treason. Nor were 24 other U.S. Senators from the Confederate States executed. Among the not executed traitors were thousands of U.S. Army men such as Confederate General Robert E. Lee. If anybody in American history deserved death, those guys did. But nothing happened because the majority of Americans couldn't imagine it. If those treasonous monsters didn't get the justice they deserved, then Americans will forgive Trump for lesser crimes than murdering hundreds of thousands of loyal American citizens during a Civil War.

www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/expulsion_cases/CivilWar_E
xpulsion.htm#senate_action

There were more than 4300 documented lynchings of African Americans between 1877 and 1950 concentrated in 12 Southern states, but several other states are now covered. How many lynchers were brought to justice? None. Trump wanted to execute The Central Park Five. No jail time for Trump on that one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_National_Memorial_for_Peace_and_Just
ice
www.cnn.com/2016/10/06/politics/reality-check-donald-trump-central-par
k-5/index.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

You've made my point. All that's left to say is let it go, move on and learn to look for the good. It's to easy to sit on a pious throne when anonymous. We get enough of that from the russian trolls here.

T

RUE

Monday, April 1, 2019 4:42 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
All that's left to say is let it go, move on ... russian trolls ...
T

You've moved on from RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!?

Really? Is that why you keep bringing it up? Yanno, I'm betting myself you can't post 10 posts in a row in rwe without using the words Russia, Russian, commie, Putin, Kremlin, or FSB.

And sheesh, if this is you 'moved-on', I'd hate to see you in full florid RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!! psychosis, then!

SECOND

Monday, April 1, 2019 7:55 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:

You've made my point. All that's left to say is let it go, move on and learn to look for the good. It's to easy to sit on a pious throne when anonymous. We get enough of that from the russian trolls here.

If you see the movie Hell or High Water, Chris Pine plays the Donald Trump character. www.metacritic.com/movie/hell-or-high-water

I'll spoil it for you. Chris Pine is a bank robber and murderer (although he does not pull the trigger) and the stolen loot is invested in oil wells to make him fabulously wealthy. At the end, Jeff Bridges, the Texas Ranger, has a hunch that Chris Pine was the mastermind behind a string of robberies, but he doesn't have the proof. There is not enough to convict in a courtroom drama. The movie ends. Nothing is resolved. Chris Pine lives happily ever after. Or maybe not. It all depends on if retired Jeff Bridges doesn't shoot Chris. We never know what Bridges decides to do, mostly because Bridges is not absolutely, positively sure Chris Pine did it. And Bridges might not be willing to kill handsome and well spoken Chris Pine, although half the audience knows he deserves to die and the other half think it is good that Chris Pine got away with the money.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Monday, April 1, 2019 11:48 AM (P)

"Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance."

You seem to be moving towards anger.

Well, that's progress, I guess!!

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Monday, April 1, 2019 5:15 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance."

You seem to be moving towards anger.

Well, that's progress, I guess!!

I was comparing Trump to Chris Pine, the bank robber who attained enormous wealth and got away from Texas Ranger Jeff Bridges, in the movie Hell or High Water. But Trump might be the other bank robber who does not think ahead, the stupid brother of Chris Pine. We will find out which brother Trump is. How stupid is Trump if he closes the border with Mexico? That's a plan that will work about as well as the 35 day government shutdown to build a Mexican Wall. My dependable Trump voters think both plans will/would work if Trump just kept/keeps things shutdown until Congress/Mexico gives Trump what he wants.
www.metacritic.com/movie/hell-or-high-water

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 1, 2019 6:31 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance."

You seem to be moving towards anger.

Well, that's progress, I guess!!

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Monday, April 1, 2019 8:22 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
G: "I think you should just stay focused on helping pedophiles get their message out, Mr. Censorship is Censorship. Don't overheat that little brain of yours with too many challenges."

What the fuck are you talking about?

Aren't you the "Censorship is Censorship" champion? Since you can't be bothered to think things through, you found yourself defending pedophiles' rights to harass kids on a fourm. Good one, Nancy.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Here's your post. Show me where it says unredacted to Congress.

Show me where it says unredacted to the public.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
That reads as if an unredacted report that the Undecideds could read would be persuasive. I don't give two shits if that's not what you meant.

"I don't care about the meaning of anything!" What a whiner.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Learn how to write.

Learn how to think.

REAVERFAN

Monday, April 1, 2019 8:23 PM (P)

Trump investigation: Russia collusion evidence detailed by Schiff in damning address in Congress
House intelligence committee chair responds to letter by Republicans calling for his resignation
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-ru
ssia-collusion-mueller-report-adam-schiff-speech-congress-a8844136.html?utm_source=reddit.com&utm_source=reddit.com

My colleagues may think it's ok that the Russians offered dirt on the Democratic candidate for president as part of what was described as the Russian government's effort to help the Trump campaign. You may think that's ok.

My colleagues may think it's ok that when that was offered to the son of the President, who had a pivotal role in that campaign, that the son did not call the FBI, that he did not adamantly refuse that foreign help. No; instead that son said that he would love the help of the Russians. You might think it's ok that he took that meeting.

You might think it's okay that Paul Manafort, the campaign chair, someone with great experience in running campaigns, also took that meeting.

You might think it's ok that the President's son in law also took that meeting.

You might think it's ok that they concealed it from the public.

You might think it's ok that their only disappointment after that meeting was that the dirt they received on Hillary Clinton wasn't better. You might think that's ok.

You might think it's ok that when it was discovered a year later that they lied about that meeting and said it was about adoptions. You might think it's ok that the President is reported to have helped dictate that lie. You might think that's ok.

I don't.

You might think it's ok that the campaign chairman of a presidential campaign would offer information about that campaign to a Russian oligarch in exchange for money or debt forgiveness. You might that that's ok.

I don't.

You might think it's ok that that campaign chairman offered polling data, campaign polling data, to someone linked to Russian intelligence.

I don't think that's ok!

You might think it's ok that the President himself called on Russia to hack his opponent's emails if they were listening.

You might think it's ok that later that day in fact the Russians attempted to hack a server affiliated with that campaign.

I don't think that's ok.

You might think it's ok that the President's son in law sought to establish a secret back-channel of communications to the Russians through a Russian diplomatic facility.

I don't think that's ok.

ou might think it's ok that an associate of the President made direct contact with the GRU through Guccifer 2 and wikileaks, which is considered a hostile intelligence agency.

You might think it's ok that a senior campaign official was instructed to reach that associate and find out what that hostile intelligence agency had to say in terms of dirt on his opponent.

You might think it's ok that the National Security Advisor designate secretly conferred with the Russian ambassador about undermining US sanctions, and you might think it's ok that he lied about it to the FBI.

You might think that's all ok! You might think that's just what you need to do to win!

But I don't think it's ok.

I think it's immoral,

I think it's unethical,

I think it's unpatriotic, and yes,

I think it's corrupt and evidence of collusion.

Now I have always said that whether this amounts to proof of conspiracy was another matter. Whether the special counsel can prove beyond a reasonable doubt, the proof of that crime would be up to the Special Counsel and I would accept his decision, and I do. He is a good and honorable man and a good prosecutor. But I do not think that conduct, criminal or not, is ok. And the day we do think that's ok is the day we will look back and say America lost its way.

THG

Monday, April 1, 2019 8:41 PM (P)

I know I posted the video here. It's also why I say wait for it. It's all in the report and then some. When Congress gets people to testify in public hearing, hearings where they need to explain all this shit, heads will roll.

tick tock
T

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Trump investigation: Russia collusion evidence detailed by Schiff in damning address in Congress
House intelligence committee chair responds to letter by Republicans calling for his resignation
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-ru
ssia-collusion-mueller-report-adam-schiff-speech-congress-a8844136.html?utm_source=reddit.com&utm_source=reddit.com

My colleagues may think it's ok that the Russians offered dirt on the Democratic candidate for president as part of what was described as the Russian government's effort to help the Trump campaign. You may think that's ok.

My colleagues may think it's ok that when that was offered to the son of the President, who had a pivotal role in that campaign, that the son did not call the FBI, that he did not adamantly refuse that foreign help. No; instead that son said that he would love the help of the Russians. You might think it's ok that he took that meeting.

You might think it's okay that Paul Manafort, the campaign chair, someone with great experience in running campaigns, also took that meeting.

You might think it's ok that the President's son in law also took that meeting.

You might think it's ok that they concealed it from the public.

You might think it's ok that their only disappointment after that meeting was that the dirt they received on Hillary Clinton wasn't better. You might think that's ok.

You might think it's ok that when it was discovered a year later that they lied about that meeting and said it was about adoptions. You might think it's ok that the President is reported to have helped dictate that lie. You might think that's ok.

I don't.

You might think it's ok that the campaign chairman of a presidential campaign would offer information about that campaign to a Russian oligarch in exchange for money or debt forgiveness. You might that that's ok.

I don't.

You might think it's ok that that campaign chairman offered polling data, campaign polling data, to someone linked to Russian intelligence.

I don't think that's ok!

You might think it's ok that the President himself called on Russia to hack his opponent's emails if they were listening.

You might think it's ok that later that day in fact the Russians attempted to hack a server affiliated with that campaign.

I don't think that's ok.

You might think it's ok that the President's son in law sought to establish a secret back-channel of communications to the Russians through a Russian diplomatic facility.

I don't think that's ok.

ou might think it's ok that an associate of the President made direct contact with the GRU through Guccifer 2 and wikileaks, which is considered a hostile intelligence agency.

You might think it's ok that a senior campaign official was instructed to reach that associate and find out what that hostile intelligence agency had to say in terms of dirt on his opponent.

You might think it's ok that the National Security Advisor designate secretly conferred with the Russian ambassador about undermining US sanctions, and you might think it's ok that he lied about it to the FBI.

You might think that's all ok! You might think that's just what you need to do to win!

But I don't think it's ok.

I think it's immoral,

I think it's unethical,

I think it's unpatriotic, and yes,

I think it's corrupt and evidence of collusion.

Now I have always said that whether this a

THG

Monday, April 1, 2019 8:45 PM (P)

Here it is reaver. I'm going to watch it again myself. It's inspirational.

T

REAVERFAN

Monday, April 1, 2019 8:52 PM (P)

School the traitors, Adam!

THG

Monday, April 1, 2019 8:57 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:

School the traitors, Adam!

Agreed buddy, agreed...

T

SECOND

Monday, April 1, 2019 9:04 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:

School the traitors, Adam!

Agreed buddy, agreed...

Traitors think themselves Patriots:
Trump campaign unveils ‘Pencil-neck Adam Schiff’ T-shirts for sale
https://shop.donaldjtrump.com/products/official-mr-pencil-neck-limited
-edition-tee

The Confederate traitors would have sold T-shirts mocking Abraham Lincoln as a pencil-neck.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, April 1, 2019 9:28 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance."

You seem to be moving towards anger.

Well, that's progress, I guess!!

Don't be easily confused.
Progress by Trolls is doubtful.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, April 1, 2019 9:29 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Still not seeing Colbert's full throated apology.

Don't hold your breath. Maybe Hilliary didn't give this c@ckholster permission.

RUE

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 12:05 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
All that's left to say is let it go, move on ... russian trolls ...
T

You've moved on from RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!?

Really? Is that why you keep bringing it up? Yanno, I'm betting myself you can't post 10 posts in a row in rwe without using the words Russia, Russian, commie, Putin, Kremlin, or FSB.

And sheesh, if this is you 'moved-on', I'd hate to see you in full florid RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!! psychosis, then!

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Here it is reaver. I'm going to watch it again myself. It's inspirational.

T

htt p:// www.youtube. com/ watch?v=wlWy GOvFwSo

I was right.

SECOND

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 12:10 AM (P)

The law is clear: Congress is entitled to the full 400 pages of Mueller's Report, unredacted.

Watergate Special Prosecutor Leon Jaworski completed his work and produced a report backed by evidence collected by the grand jury. The House Judiciary Committee investigating the Watergate scandal issued a subpoena for the report and evidence, and immediately found themselves in court. H.R. Haldeman, President Nixon’s former chief of staff, moved to block production citing Rule 6(e), the same provision cited by Barr.

District Court Judge John J. Sirica rejected Haldeman’s claim and ruled that Rule 6(e) was no bar to disclosure to the committee. Haldeman appealed, and the case was heard by the full slate of D.C. Circuit active judges in a rarely convened en banc proceeding. Ruling 5-1, the D.C. Circuit affirmed the district judge’s analysis on March 21, 1974, in Haldeman v. Sirica . The only dissenter was a Nixon appointee, George MacKinnon.

The documents were promptly produced to the House Judiciary Committee. While the Jaworski report and underlying evidence did not themselves become public – Rule 6(e) was honored — the report became known as “the Road Map” and guided the committee’s ongoing investigation. Four months later the committee reported articles of impeachment. Two weeks later, President Nixon resigned.

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/01/redacted-mueller-report-226
343

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RUE

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 12:42 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
The law is clear: Congress is entitled to the full 400 pages of Mueller's Report, unredacted.

District Court Judge John J. Sirica ... ruled that Rule 6(e) was no bar to disclosure to the committee.

Not Congress, just the committee.

SECOND

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 12:59 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

Not Congress, just the committee.

Thank you, Russia, for clarifying that the full report and underlying evidence may be shared with the Judiciary Committee and the intelligence committees:

www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_6
Rule 6(e)(3)(D)

Quote:
An attorney for the government may disclose any grand-jury matter involving foreign intelligence, counterintelligence (as defined in 50 U.S.C. §401a3003), or foreign intelligence information (as defined in Rule 6(e)(3)(D)(iii)) to any federal law enforcement, intelligence, protective, immigration, national defense, or national security official to assist the official receiving the information in the performance of that official's duties. An attorney for the government may also disclose any grand-jury matter involving, within the United States or elsewhere, a threat of attack or other grave hostile acts of a foreign power or its agent, a threat of domestic or international sabotage or terrorism, or clandestine intelligence gathering activities by an intelligence service or network of a foreign power or by its agent, to any appropriate federal, state, state subdivision, Indian tribal, or foreign government official, for the purpose of preventing or responding to such threat or activities.

(i) Any official who receives information under Rule 6(e)(3)(D) may use the information only as necessary in the conduct of that person's official duties subject to any limitations on the unauthorized disclosure of such information. Any state, state subdivision, Indian tribal, or foreign government official who receives information under Rule 6(e)(3)(D) may use the information only in a manner consistent with any guidelines issued by the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence.

(ii) Within a reasonable time after disclosure is made under Rule 6(e)(3)(D), an attorney for the government must file, under seal, a notice with the court in the district where the grand jury convened stating that such information was disclosed and the departments, agencies, or entities to which the disclosure was made.

(iii) As used in Rule 6(e)(3)(D), the term “foreign intelligence information” means:

(a) information, whether or not it concerns a United States person, that relates to the ability of the United States to protect against—

• actual or potential attack or other grave hostile acts of a foreign power or its agent;

• sabotage or international terrorism by a foreign power or its agent; or

• clandestine intelligence activities by an intelligence service or network of a foreign power or by its agent; or

(b) information, whether or not it concerns a United States person, with respect to a foreign power or foreign territory that relates to—

• the national defense or the security of the United States; or

• the conduct of the foreign affairs of the United States.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RUE

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 1:14 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

Not Congress, just the committee.
Thank you, Russia, for clarifying that the full report and underlying evidence may be shared with the Judiciary Committee and the intelligence committees:

www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_6
Rule 6(e)(3)(D)
Quote:
An attorney for the government may disclose any grand-jury matter involving foreign intelligence, counterintelligence (as defined in 50 U.S.C. §401a3003), or foreign intelligence information (as defined in Rule 6(e)(3)(D)(iii)) to any federal law enforcement, intelligence, protective, immigration, national defense, or national security official to assist the official receiving the information in the performance of that official's duties. An attorney for the government may also disclose any grand-jury matter involving, within the United States or elsewhere, a threat of attack or other grave hostile acts of a foreign power or its agent, a threat of domestic or international sabotage or terrorism, or clandestine intelligence gathering activities by an intelligence service or network of a foreign power or by its agent, to any appropriate federal, state, state subdivision, Indian tribal, or foreign government official, for the purpose of preventing or responding to such threat or activities.

(i) Any official who receives information under Rule 6(e)(3)(D) may use the information only as necessary in the conduct of that person's official duties subject to any limitations on the unauthorized disclosure of such information. Any state, state subdivision, Indian tribal, or foreign government official who receives information under Rule 6(e)(3)(D) may use the information only in a manner consistent with any guidelines issued by the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence.

(ii) Within a reasonable time after disclosure is made under Rule 6(e)(3)(D), an attorney for the government must file, under seal, a notice with the court in the district where the grand jury convened stating that such information was disclosed and the departments, agencies, or entities to which the disclosure was made.

(iii) As used in Rule 6(e)(3)(D), the term “foreign intelligence information” means:

(a) information, whether or not it concerns a United States person, that relates to the ability of the United States to protect against—

• actual or potential attack or other grave hostile acts of a foreign power or its agent;

• sabotage or international terrorism by a foreign power or its agent; or

• clandestine intelligence activities by an intelligence service or network of a foreign power or by its agent; or

(b) information, whether or not it concerns a United States person, with respect to a foreign power or foreign territory that relates to—

• the national defense or the security of the United States; or

• the conduct of the foreign affairs of the United States.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 1:20 AM (P)

I see that the GOP is falsely claiming that the unredacted report cannot be seen by anybody for ever and ever:

The top Republican on the Judiciary Committee, Ranking Member Doug Collins, R-Ga., in a written statement:

“Judiciary Democrats have escalated from setting arbitrary deadlines to demanding unredacted material that Congress does not, in truth, require and that the law does not allow to be shared outside the Justice Department. It’s unfortunate that a body meant to uphold the law has grown so desperate that it’s patently misrepresenting the law, even as the attorney general has already demonstrated transparency above and beyond what is required.”

www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-who-fumed-at-nunes-for-jeopardizing-sour
ces-and-methods-now-demand-mueller-report-in-full

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RUE

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 1:33 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
The law is clear: Congress is entitled to the full 400 pages of Mueller's Report, unredacted.

Watergate Special Prosecutor Leon Jaworski completed his work and produced a report backed by evidence collected by the grand jury. The House Judiciary Committee investigating the Watergate scandal issued a subpoena for the report and evidence, and immediately found themselves in court. H.R. Haldeman, President Nixon’s former chief of staff, moved to block production citing Rule 6(e), the same provision cited by Barr.

District Court Judge John J. Sirica rejected Haldeman’s claim and ruled that Rule 6(e) was no bar to disclosure to the committee. Haldeman appealed, and the case was heard by the full slate of D.C. Circuit active judges in a rarely convened en banc proceeding. Ruling 5-1, the D.C. Circuit affirmed the district judge’s analysis on March 21, 1974, in Haldeman v. Sirica . The only dissenter was a Nixon appointee, George MacKinnon.

The documents were promptly produced to the House Judiciary Committee. While the Jaworski report and underlying evidence did not themselves become public – Rule 6(e) was honored — the report became known as “the Road Map” and guided the committee’s ongoing investigation. Four months later the committee reported articles of impeachment. Two weeks later, President Nixon resigned.

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Not Congress, just the committee.

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Thank you, Russia, for clarifying that the full report and underlying evidence may be shared with the Judiciary Committee and the intelligence committees

Your original post was all of 12 sentences long, including the sub-head. It's not my fault you could be fucking bothered to read them, and resorted to libel because your ego couldn't take you being caught in a stupid mistake.

SECOND

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 1:40 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Thank you, Russia, for clarifying that the full report and underlying evidence may be shared with the Judiciary Committee and the intelligence committees
Your original post was all of 12 sentences long, including the sub-head. It's not my fault you could be fucking bothered to read them, and resorted to libel because your ego couldn't take you being caught in a stupid mistake.

Since when is being a Russian libelous, Russia Rue? And when are you suing? Please hurry, hurry, hurry every chance you get. Or are you afraid? The judiciary and intelligence committees are entitled to everything Mueller has produced, unredacted. Chairs Nadler and Schiff should immediately assert their rights and subpoena the full Mueller report and underlying evidence. And then their important work can begin.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RUE

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 2:08 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Thank you, Russia, for clarifying that the full report and underlying evidence may be shared with the Judiciary Committee and the intelligence committees
Your original post was all of 12 sentences long, including the sub-head. It's not my fault you could be fucking bothered to read them, and resorted to libel because your ego couldn't take you being caught in a stupid mistake.
Since when is being a Russian libelous, Russia Rue? And when are you suing? Please hurry, hurry, hurry every chance you get. Or are you afraid? The judiciary and intelligence committees are entitled to everything Mueller has produced, unredacted. Chairs Nadler and Schiff should immediately assert their rights and subpoena the full Mueller report and underlying evidence. And then their important work can begin.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RUE

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 2:12 AM (P)

https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/defamation

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 2:13 AM (P)

Yes! Let's see that massive lawsuit! You're a winner, girlfriend!

I believe in you!!!

What a dizzy cunt.

SECOND

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 2:21 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/defamation

Ask for $4 billion in damages, to be paid as follows:
$1 billion for "rue", the Russian
$1 billion for "1kiki", your previous name
$1 billion for "Donald J Trump"
$1 billion for "Your Real Name" Vashe Nastoyashcheye Imya

https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&a
mp;tl=ru&text=Your%20Real%20Name

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 2:30 AM (P)

????

T

SECOND

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 2:43 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
????

T

I think rue/1kiki is sensitive about being Russian. Or not being American. Maybe both. Who knows? I'm hoping rue calls a lawyer and sorts it out.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RUE

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 2:45 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/defamation
Ask for $4 billion in damages, to be paid as follows:
$1 billion for "rue", the Russian
$1 billion for "1kiki", your previous name
$1 billion for "Donald J Trump"
$1 billion for "Your Real Name" Vashe Nastoyashcheye Imya

https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&a
mp;tl=ru&text=Your%20Real%20Name

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RUE

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 2:45 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
????

T

I think rue/1kiki is sensitive about being Russian. Or not being American. Maybe both. Who knows? I'm hoping rue calls a lawyer and sorts it out.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 5:15 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
The law is clear: Congress is entitled to the full 400 pages of Mueller's Report, unredacted.

District Court Judge John J. Sirica ... ruled that Rule 6(e) was no bar to disclosure to the committee.
Not Congress, just the committee.

You are just on a Troll butt-slamming whirlwind tour.

THG

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 5:29 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
????

T

I think rue/1kiki is sensitive about being Russian. Or not being American. Maybe both. Who knows? I'm hoping rue calls a lawyer and sorts it out.

Hates herself as well I bet. Maybe a doctor to go along with that lawyer.

T

THG

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 5:30 AM (P)

The White House whistleblower bombshell, and what it could mean

Donald Trump ran for president making the case that Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state represented a grave national security threat and made her unfit for office.

White House whistleblower who alleges that the Trump administration has awarded 25 security clearances to people who had been denied those clearances by national security officials.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-white-house-whistleblower-
bombshell-and-what-it-could-mean/ar-BBVv3AH?ocid=spartandhp

T

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 7:18 AM (P)

Then you truly would have been frustrated by Watergate as well. The "Break In" happened in June 1972 and Nixon didn't resign until August 1974...two full years after the whole thing started.

Of course, we need to remember that we didn't have the "Deep State" back then;
that is unless, of course, our chief historian (namely Sigs) says otherwise.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_maps&hsimp
=yhs-pty_maps&hspart=pty&p=the+dead+don%27t+die+trailer#id=1&vid=7d3d4dd422b8e08b12790f33660d32bf&action=view

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Though I normally would agree with Trey here, the behavior of the MSM and the leftwing nutjobs dictate a different outcome here.

If I were Trump, I would want everything to be made public.

Two years of this bullshit is enough. It's time to put this matter to rest once and for all.

COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 8:23 AM (P)

From what I heard, Nadler is about to subpoena the AG for the full report.
Barr, in the meantime, is trying to set the agenda and timetable for Congress. Now that takes huge hairy balls to assume.

Both Nadler and Schiff are pursuing their Constitutional duties in their respective committees regarding the Rule of Law.

Here, not to worry, I'll say it for you - but Obama, but Hillary!

You guys never let up do you? But, you're entitled, wrong!, but entitled.

Okay, go ahead, I'm ready now....lay it on me! (you know who you are).

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Thank you, Russia, for clarifying that the full report and underlying evidence may be shared with the Judiciary Committee and the intelligence committees
Your original post was all of 12 sentences long, including the sub-head. It's not my fault you could be fucking bothered to read them, and resorted to libel because your ego couldn't take you being caught in a stupid mistake.
Since when is being a Russian libelous, Russia Rue? And when are you suing? Please hurry, hurry, hurry every chance you get. Or are you afraid? The judiciary and intelligence committees are entitled to everything Mueller has produced, unredacted. Chairs Nadler and Schiff should immediately assert their rights and subpoena the full Mueller report and underlying evidence. And then their important work can begin.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 8:28 AM (P)

Wholeheartedly agree...Full Un-redacted Report! Without question!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The law is clear: Congress is entitled to the full 400 pages of Mueller's Report, unredacted.

Watergate Special Prosecutor Leon Jaworski completed his work and produced a report backed by evidence collected by the grand jury. The House Judiciary Committee investigating the Watergate scandal issued a subpoena for the report and evidence, and immediately found themselves in court. H.R. Haldeman, President Nixon’s former chief of staff, moved to block production citing Rule 6(e), the same provision cited by Barr.

District Court Judge John J. Sirica rejected Haldeman’s claim and ruled that Rule 6(e) was no bar to disclosure to the committee. Haldeman appealed, and the case was heard by the full slate of D.C. Circuit active judges in a rarely convened en banc proceeding. Ruling 5-1, the D.C. Circuit affirmed the district judge’s analysis on March 21, 1974, in Haldeman v. Sirica . The only dissenter was a Nixon appointee, George MacKinnon.

The documents were promptly produced to the House Judiciary Committee. While the Jaworski report and underlying evidence did not themselves become public – Rule 6(e) was honored — the report became known as “the Road Map” and guided the committee’s ongoing investigation. Four months later the committee reported articles of impeachment. Two weeks later, President Nixon resigned.

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/01/redacted-mueller-report-226
343

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 9:35 AM (P)

In my view, Mueller did two things. He spoke loud and clear by submitting the report:

1- Exposing the cronyism of the AG for the dictator-in-chief when he wrote that oily summary (be mindful that Barr auditioned for the part once Trump ousted Sessions by criticizing Mueller)
2- Ignited the House Intelligence and Judiciary Committees to pursue and establish their oversight duties

I submit that this was a deliberate move by Mueller since he could not interview Trump, and he could not indict. He gave that over to Congress, who
can and will investigate this sham of a presidency.

Brilliant chess move. Check!

Barr is now busy "castling" the "king"

(Nadler is prepping his pieces for his next moves)

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Mueller handed in his report. We should start learning a few things this weekend.

tick tock

SECOND

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 5:23 PM (P)

Sports Illustrated columnist Rick Reilly's book “Commander in Cheat: How Golf Explains Trump” documents dozens of examples of underhanded golf behavior by the president, transgressions talked about by pro golfers and duffers alike.

Outside of formal tournaments, golf is a game of honor in which individual players act as their own referees, keep their own scores and assess themselves penalties for rule violations. Trump’s cheating, Reilly said, motivated him to write the book.

“I don’t know much about politics, but I know golf, and it really offended me, not as a voter or as a citizen — just as a golfer,” Reilly said.

More at www.golfchannel.com/news/new-book-details-donald-trumps-alleged-cheati
ng-golf-course

"The caddies got so used to seeing him kick his ball back onto the fairway they came up with a nickname for him: 'Pele.'" That's the world soccer star from Brazil. Trump threw sports announcer Mike Tirico's golf ball off the green into a nearby bunker when they played together.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 6:59 PM (P)

LOL... your shared hatred for Trump is going to sell a record number of stupid golf books.

Mr. Reilly is a smart man.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 7:19 PM (P)

Golf?

GOLF???

Sometimes when I scan SECOND's posts I feel like I've been dropped into an absurdist movie. But then, I realize it's just SECOND throwing shit against a wall, again.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 7:37 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Golf?

GOLF???

Sometimes when I scan SECOND's posts I feel like I've been dropped into an absurdist movie. But then, I realize it's just SECOND throwing shit against a wall, again.

Essentially, Signym and 6ix, golf is idealized child's play, like Hopscotch or Musical Chairs. And yet, Trump cheats at golf and gets easily caught cheating. Will he be virtuous in areas where it's hard to catch him cheating, unlike golf? He will cheat and lie even worse.

Maybe our Russian trolls are unfamiliar with "Honest" Abe Lincoln and "I cannot tell a lie" George Washington.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 7:38 PM (P)

So, in other words, perfect for the position. lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 7:45 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So, in other words, perfect for the position. lol

Are you unfamiliar with "Honest" Abe Lincoln and "I cannot tell a lie" George Washington? If I knew your boss, 6ix, I'd tell him you are probably stealing from him. It's easiest just to proactively fire you than to waste his time catching you in the act of being a thief.

Where is your reply, 6ix? Where you defend your honesty, integrity, and all around virtue that makes you as trustworthy as Trump with lives and property?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 9:45 PM (P)

Former Federal Prosecutor On Mueller: Never Took Me 400 Pages To Say ‘Nothing’s Wrong’
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chuck-rosenberg-mueller-report-trump-ob
struction_n_5ca2af7fe4b04693a9464284

SIGNYM

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 10:13 PM (P)

Quote:
Are you unfamiliar with "Honest" Abe Lincoln and "I cannot tell a lie" George Washington?

Yes, I'm familiar with those myths.

Quote:
Where is your reply, SIX Where you defend your honesty, integrity, and all around virtue that makes you as trustworthy as Trump with lives and property?

This? From the inveterate liar and defamer?

I would be hard-pressed to come up with someone who lied more than you, SECOND. You lie to others and worse, you lie to yourself. You lie so much you don't even know what truth is anymore. You lie so much you have snakes in your head.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 10:23 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Are you unfamiliar with "Honest" Abe Lincoln and "I cannot tell a lie" George Washington?
Yes, I'm familiar with those myths.

Quote:
Where is your reply, SIX Where you defend your honesty, integrity, and all around virtue that makes you as trustworthy as Trump with lives and property?
This? From the inveterate liar and defamer?

I would be hard-pressed to come up with someone who lied more than you, SECOND. You lie to others and worse, you lie to yourself. You lie so much you don't even know what truth is anymore. You lie so much you have snakes in your head.

Signym, you do realize that Trump uses exactly your tactic on his enemies, accusing them of being the liars, not himself, because he so honest. For examples:

Trump accuses Michael Cohen of 'lying to reduce his jail time'
War of Words: Trump and Comey accuse each other of lying
Trump said cascading leaks from within his administration were in fact “fabricated lies” by news organizations based on sources who don't exist.

Here's A Running List Of President Trump's Lies And Other Bullshit
www.buzzfeednews.com/article/maryanngeorgantopoulos/president-trump-li
e-list

It is easy to prove Trump cheats and lies about golf. Harder to prove in court Trump cheats and lies about not golfing parts of his life, but he does.
www.golfchannel.com/news/new-book-details-donald-trumps-alleged-cheati
ng-golf-course

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Tuesday, April 2, 2019 10:51 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Are you unfamiliar with "Honest" Abe Lincoln and "I cannot tell a lie" George Washington?
Yes, I'm familiar with those myths.

Quote:
Where is your reply, SIX Where you defend your honesty, integrity, and all around virtue that makes you as trustworthy as Trump with lives and property?
This? From the inveterate liar and defamer?

I would be hard-pressed to come up with someone who lied more than you, SECOND. You lie to others and worse, you lie to yourself. You lie so much you don't even know what truth is anymore. You lie so much you have snakes in your head.
Signym, you do realize that Trump uses exactly your tactic on his enemies, accusing them of being the liars, not himself, because he so honest. For examples:

Trump accuses Michael Cohen of 'lying to reduce his jail time'
War of Words: Trump and Comey accuse each other of lying
Trump said cascading leaks from within his administration were in fact “fabricated lies” by news organizations based on sources who don't exist.

Here's A Running List Of President Trump's Lies And Other Bullshit
www.buzzfeednews.com/article/maryanngeorgantopoulos/president-trump-li
e-list

It is easy to prove Trump cheats and lies about golf. Harder to prove in court Trump cheats and lies about not golfing parts of his life, but he does.
www.golfchannel.com/news/new-book-details-donald-trumps-alleged-cheati
ng-golf-course

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Posted on Thu, Mar 31st, 2016 by Sarah Jones

Fact Checkers Prove That 91% of the Things Donald Trump Says Are False

https://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/31/ninety-one-percent-donald-trum
p-false.html

And it's still the same. It has been proven Trump has lied 8,000 times since taking office. So, who continues to defend him. Comrade Sig the most prolific poster of propaganda and lies in these threads. No surprise there.

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 3, 2019 2:38 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Are you unfamiliar with "Honest" Abe Lincoln and "I cannot tell a lie" George Washington?
Yes, I'm familiar with those myths.

Quote:
Where is your reply, SIX Where you defend your honesty, integrity, and all around virtue that makes you as trustworthy as Trump with lives and property?
This? From the inveterate liar and defamer?

I would be hard-pressed to come up with someone who lied more than you, SECOND. You lie to others and worse, you lie to yourself. You lie so much you don't even know what truth is anymore. You lie so much you have snakes in your head.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

This.

*yawn*

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, April 3, 2019 6:53 AM (P)

Russian trolls pumped out malware along with pro-Trump messages. Venezuelans helped
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/latest-news/article227331194.html

Twitter accounts linked to a Russian troll farm charged by Special Counsel Robert Mueller III did more than pump out pro-Trump messages during the 2016 presidential election. In a previously undisclosed wrinkle, some also preyed on unsuspecting Trump supporters by targeting them with malware, a McClatchy investigation has found.

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, April 3, 2019 6:56 AM (P)

Trump wrongly claims his dad was born in Germany — for the third time
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/02/trump-wrongly-claim
s-his-dad-was-born-germany-third-time/?noredirect=on&utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.89e06c7219c8

Narcissists are habitual liars.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, April 3, 2019 8:31 AM (P)

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, April 3, 2019 10:59 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Golf?

GOLF???

Sometimes when I scan SECOND's posts I feel like I've been dropped into an absurdist movie. But then, I realize it's just SECOND throwing shit against a wall, again.
Essentially, Signym and 6ix, golf is idealized child's play, like Hopscotch or Musical Chairs. And yet, Trump cheats at golf and gets easily caught cheating. Will he be virtuous in areas where it's hard to catch him cheating, unlike golf? He will cheat and lie even worse.

Maybe our Russian trolls are unfamiliar with "Honest" Abe Lincoln and "I cannot tell a lie" George Washington.

By that standard of measure, Trump is an Angel alongside LBJ, Obamination, BJ Clinton, Swiftboat Ketchup, Hilliary, Lynch, Lerner, Withholder, etc.

SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, April 3, 2019 12:35 PM (P)

OMG, this is extremely anal...even for you!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
The law is clear: Congress is entitled to the full 400 pages of Mueller's Report, unredacted.

District Court Judge John J. Sirica ... ruled that Rule 6(e) was no bar to disclosure to the committee.
Not Congress, just the committee.

SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, April 3, 2019 12:41 PM (P)

...and she doubles down on her "anal" response.

The "committee" is made up of Congressional members, so, in fact, Second is right. (of course, the Senate is a different story).

Sheeese!!!

As Bugs Bunny would say: "What a maroon!"

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
The law is clear: Congress is entitled to the full 400 pages of Mueller's Report, unredacted.

Watergate Special Prosecutor Leon Jaworski completed his work and produced a report backed by evidence collected by the grand jury. The House Judiciary Committee investigating the Watergate scandal issued a subpoena for the report and evidence, and immediately found themselves in court. H.R. Haldeman, President Nixon’s former chief of staff, moved to block production citing Rule 6(e), the same provision cited by Barr.

District Court Judge John J. Sirica rejected Haldeman’s claim and ruled that Rule 6(e) was no bar to disclosure to the committee. Haldeman appealed, and the case was heard by the full slate of D.C. Circuit active judges in a rarely convened en banc proceeding. Ruling 5-1, the D.C. Circuit affirmed the district judge’s analysis on March 21, 1974, in Haldeman v. Sirica . The only dissenter was a Nixon appointee, George MacKinnon.

The documents were promptly produced to the House Judiciary Committee. While the Jaworski report and underlying evidence did not themselves become public – Rule 6(e) was honored — the report became known as “the Road Map” and guided the committee’s ongoing investigation. Four months later the committee reported articles of impeachment. Two weeks later, President Nixon resigned.
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Not Congress, just the committee.
Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Thank you, Russia, for clarifying that the full report and underlying evidence may be shared with the Judiciary Committee and the intelligence committees
Your original post was all of 12 sentences long, including the sub-head. It's not my fault you could be fucking bothered to read them, and resorted to libel because your ego couldn't take you being caught in a stupid mistake.

SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, April 3, 2019 12:50 PM (P)

Here Siggy,

Here's some info on Trumpy........scumbag-in-chief

sgg

SECOND

Wednesday, April 3, 2019 5:03 PM (P)

All our Trump defenders (6ix, Signym, 1kiki/rue, JewelStaiteFan, Auraptor) are "discussing" their health crises and the times they almost killed themselves.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63023

I think people who defend Trump need him for some psychological reason or else they kill themselves.

What started the "discussion"? A FOX News meteorologist killed herself because she had dry eyes and poor vision after eye surgery to correct her vision. Possibly she was a Trump defender because of the FOX connection. Her death made our own Trump defenders sympathize because they came close to killing themselves.

Did you know that brain scans show Trump defenders are different from normal people?
www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/02/brain-difference-democrats-republ
icans/

People who have more fearful dispositions tend to be more politically conservative. It’s not that conservative people are more fearful, it’s that fearful people are more conservative. Conservatives who aren't handling adversity well think about killing themselves. They could turn toward either God or a powerful savior, Trump for example, to ease their painful lives. Since 6ix, Signym, 1kiki/rue, JewelStaiteFan, Auraptor have not expressed any religious beliefs, Trump will be the substitute or the stand-in for a missing or unavailable God who keeps them from killing themselves. If Trump falls unexpectedly, maybe they will finally kill themselves to relieve their suffering. That's why they fight for Trump's survival. It is their own survival they fight for. Again, go read about them killing themselves here: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63023

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 3, 2019 5:20 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
All our Trump defenders (6ix, Signym, 1kiki/rue, JewelStaiteFan, Auraptor) are "discussing" their health crises and the times they almost killed themselves.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63023

I think people who defend Trump need him for some psychological reason or else they kill themselves.

Yeah. And so what?

You're constantly talking about assassinating the president, how much you get off on screwing the 99% for your own gains, and half of the ones here that are against Trump often convey hostility, a desire to harm others, and support for censorship.

You're the very reason why we shouldn't have censorship online. If you didn't have places like this to do all of your ranting and raving, you might actually go out and start hurting other people, or worse.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Wednesday, April 3, 2019 5:45 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
All our Trump defenders (6ix, Signym, 1kiki/rue, JewelStaiteFan, Auraptor) are "discussing" their health crises and the times they almost killed themselves.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63023

I think people who defend Trump need him for some psychological reason or else they kill themselves.

Yeah. And so what?

You're constantly talking about assassinating the president, how much you get off on screwing the 99% for your own gains, and half of the ones here that are against Trump often convey hostility, a desire to harm others, and support for censorship.

You're the very reason why we shouldn't have censorship online. If you didn't have places like this to do all of your ranting and raving, you might actually go out and start hurting other people, or worse.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I know Trump defenders (these people are more extreme than the simple Trump voters who now have second thoughts about Trump's honesty, integrity, competency ). Trump defenders I know in Texas are not well people. They are not mentally stable. I haven't asked any if they'd kill themselves when Trump is dead or defeated. I really, really don't want to know, but them being dead sure would Make America Great Again. I'll give you a historically example: If Confederate slave-owners had killed themselves in grief when Abraham Lincoln was elected President, it sure would have been a blessing. A huge Civil War could have been avoided.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 3, 2019 5:52 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I know Trump defenders (these people are more extreme than the simple Trump voters who now have second thoughts about Trump's honesty, integrity, competency ). Trump defenders I know in Texas are not well people. They are not mentally stable. I haven't asked any if they'd kill themselves when Trump is dead or defeated. I really, really don't want to know, but them being dead sure would Make America Great Again. I'll give you a historically example: If Confederate slave-owners had killed themselves in grief when Abraham Lincoln was elected President, it sure would have been a blessing. A huge Civil War could have been avoided.

Thanks for the "historically" example, Second.

Stay classy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Wednesday, April 3, 2019 5:58 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I know Trump defenders (these people are more extreme than the simple Trump voters who now have second thoughts about Trump's honesty, integrity, competency ). Trump defenders I know in Texas are not well people. They are not mentally stable. I haven't asked any if they'd kill themselves when Trump is dead or defeated. I really, really don't want to know, but them being dead sure would Make America Great Again. I'll give you a historically example: If Confederate slave-owners had killed themselves in grief when Abraham Lincoln was elected President, it sure would have been a blessing. A huge Civil War could have been avoided.

Thanks for the "historically" example, Second.

Stay classy.

6ix, you can only take that attitude if you believe slave-owning was simply a political/cultural matter and was not caused by the extreme mental derangement/beliefs of the slave-owners. Were slave-owners the good guys? If you had asked them, they would say they were. And that Confederate President Jefferson Davis (the Trump of his day) was elected to defend slave-owners' rights to live as they pleased.
www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/jefferson-davis

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Wednesday, April 3, 2019 6:35 PM (P)

Mueller vs. Starr vs. Watergate: What happened two days, two weeks, and two months later

https://qz.com/1584773/

The full report from Watergate won’t be made public until Oct. 31, 2018, after Project Democracy and Lawfare sued for its release. Expect the full Mueller report in about 45 to 50 years.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Wednesday, April 3, 2019 8:17 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
All our Trump defenders (6ix, Signym, 1kiki/rue, JewelStaiteFan, Auraptor) are "discussing" their health crises and the times they almost killed themselves.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63023

Liar. In fact, we're discussing why someone would have killed themselves over what seems to be a relatively minor procedure and relatively minor ... and apparently temporary ... side effects, because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to any of us.

Why do you have to lie about everything, SECOND?
What are you hiding from yourself?

Quote:
I think people who defend Trump need him for some psychological reason or else they kill themselves.

Building on your previous lie with more lies?
Like I said: You have snakes in your head. I've dealt with a person like you before SECOND: A killer who couldn't admit to themselves what they did (and why) and spent their entire life virtue signalling and hiding from the truth ... another person who couldn't forgive themselves. Another person with snakes in their head.

Quote:
What started the "discussion"? A FOX News meteorologist killed herself because she had dry eyes and poor vision after eye surgery to correct her vision. Possibly she was a Trump defender because of the FOX connection. Her death made our own Trump defenders sympathize because they came close to killing themselves.

Building on your previous lie with even more fantastical lies?
Well, why should I be surprised? It's the story of your life, and of your posts

Quote:
People who have more fearful dispositions tend to be more politically conservative. It’s not that conservative people are more fearful, it’s that fearful people are more conservative. Conservatives who aren't handling adversity well think about killing themselves. They could turn toward either God or a powerful savior, Trump for example, to ease their painful lives. Since 6ix, Signym, 1kiki/rue, JewelStaiteFan, Auraptor have not expressed any religious beliefs, Trump will be the substitute or the stand-in for a missing or unavailable God who keeps them from killing themselves. If Trump falls unexpectedly, maybe they will finally kill themselves to relieve their suffering. That's why they fight for Trump's survival. It is their own survival they fight for. Again, go read about them killing themselves here: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63023

The entire thrust of our on-topic posts ... before WISHY pushed her gratuitous trolling into the thread... was, "Well, its upsetting when you have unexpected side effects from a procedure, BUT ..."
I hope THUGR and GSTRING and REAVERBOT go to that thread and read it for themselves; they'll be able to see how you manage to twist the truth. Again. Which is pretty much emblematic how you twist the truth everywhere.

You have a serious problem, SECOND. It's one thing to lie to others, but lying to yourself about such foundational issues is another thing entirely. I hope you get it sorted out.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Wednesday, April 3, 2019 9:58 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Building on your previous lie with more lies?
Like I said: You have snakes in your head. I've dealt with a person like you before SECOND: A killer who couldn't admit to themselves what they did (and why) and spent their entire life virtue signalling and hiding from the truth ... another person who couldn't forgive themselves. Another person with snakes in their head.

Signym, you have used this same move before. Trump has, too.

When Trump is caught red-handed in a lie or scandal, he has a time-worn playbook for weathering it. First, he lies about the facts of the matter, attempting to create enough uncertainty to inoculate his base and a portion of the rest of the population against accepting the reality of what has happened. Second, he pivots to attacking his antagonists (which in the past have included a dead senator, the father of a fallen soldier, and judges of Mexican heritage). Finally, he tries to change the subject.

Far from Trump emerging into a new phase of his presidency with the release of the Barr report, he has in fact lapsed into this age-old pattern. Phases one and two came quickly, with Trump and his surrogates claiming that the president had been completely exonerated even though Mueller explicitly did not make this judgment. They then accused the media and Democrats of corruptly conspiring to bring down the president.

But it is the next part of the administration’s response, phase three, which is so uniquely Trumpian. The president has frequently managed to survive scandals that might have felled other politicians because he is so adept at changing the conversation by sparking a new furor, which eclipses the old one. The result has been a presidency of serial scandals which can easily induce a sense of numbness in his opponents, while making himself appear invulnerable to any particular one of the hundreds of controversies encircling him.

Since the release of the Barr report, Trump has attempted to change the topic in two ways.

1) The first is on healthcare. Last Monday, the Trump administration filed a letter in a Texas court declaring that it would like to see the entirety of the Affordable Care Act – also known as Obamacare – declared unconstitutional. Backing a wacky legal challenge that has been levied against the ACA, the administration is advocating stripping healthcare benefits from tens of millions of Americans with no plan for how to provide them with alternative coverage. Although the move is a sure political loser for Republicans, Trump charged ahead anyway.

2) Second, Trump has stepped up his anti-immigrant rhetoric and threatened to close the US border with Mexico.

More at www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/03/mueller-report-donald-tr
ump-distractions

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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