Mueller Investigation Is Over / Part two are the trials. Hey Jack, I Was Right. 20 Plus Russians Charged, 19 Of Trumps People Convicted of Felonies.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Signym, you have used this same move before. Trump has, too.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Building on your previous lie with more lies?
Like I said: You have snakes in your head. I've dealt with a person like you before SECOND: A killer who couldn't admit to themselves what they did (and why) and spent their entire life virtue signalling and hiding from the truth ... another person who couldn't forgive themselves. Another person with snakes in their head.
When Trump is caught red-handed in a lie or scandal, he has a time-worn playbook for weathering it. First, he lies about the facts of the matter, attempting to create enough uncertainty to inoculate his base and a portion of the rest of the population against accepting the reality of what has happened. Second, he pivots to attacking his antagonists (which in the past have included a dead senator, the father of a fallen soldier, and judges of Mexican heritage). Finally, he tries to change the subject.
Far from Trump emerging into a new phase of his presidency with the release of the Barr report, he has in fact lapsed into this age-old pattern. Phases one and two came quickly, with Trump and his surrogates claiming that the president had been completely exonerated even though Mueller explicitly did not make this judgment. They then accused the media and Democrats of corruptly conspiring to bring down the president.
But it is the next part of the administration’s response, phase three, which is so uniquely Trumpian. The president has frequently managed to survive scandals that might have felled other politicians because he is so adept at changing the conversation by sparking a new furor, which eclipses the old one. The result has been a presidency of serial scandals which can easily induce a sense of numbness in his opponents, while making himself appear invulnerable to any particular one of the hundreds of controversies encircling him.
Since the release of the Barr report, Trump has attempted to change the topic in two ways.
1) The first is on healthcare. Last Monday, the Trump administration filed a letter in a Texas court declaring that it would like to see the entirety of the Affordable Care Act – also known as Obamacare – declared unconstitutional. Backing a wacky legal challenge that has been levied against the ACA, the administration is advocating stripping healthcare benefits from tens of millions of Americans with no plan for how to provide them with alternative coverage. Although the move is a sure political loser for Republicans, Trump charged ahead anyway.
2) Second, Trump has stepped up his anti-immigrant rhetoric and threatened to close the US border with Mexico.
More at www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/03/mueller-report-donald-tr
ump-distractions
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SECOND, try as you might, you can't get around the fact that you lied repeatedly about what others posted, and then built on that lie with more lies. If Trump has used that tactic, then so have you.
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Quote:Trump's self-destructive measures the last two weeks on healthcare and immigration demonstrate that what Trump is really after is headlines, not solutions. The fact that the president is so keen to change the subject now ought to make Democrats think twice about going along with his wishes. Instead, they need to stay focused on obtaining a full copy of the Mueller report and making its contents known to the public.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, try as you might, you can't get around the fact that you lied repeatedly about what others posted, and then built on that lie with more lies. If Trump has used that tactic, then so have you.
The president and his allies have engaged in a sinister and baffling pattern of behavior designed to hide their own connections to a foreign power. All we know so far is that Mueller was not able to prove that they criminally colluded with Russia, and that he was unable to exonerate the president of criminally obstructing the inquiry. Before we can move on, we need to know much more.
This is about returning a bare modicum of accountability to American public life after years of congressional Republicans shirking their constitutional duty to hold Trump to account. It is about finding out exactly how American national security was compromised in 2016, and why Trump and his surrogates are so keen to pretend it wasn’t.
Perhaps that’s why Barr won’t just release the report, and Trump wants to change the subject. Democrats shouldn’t let him.
More at www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/03/mueller-report-donald-tr
ump-distractions
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No takers!
Oh, well!
sgg
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Here Siggy,
Here's some info on Trumpy........scumbag-in-chief
sgg
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Quote:For 12 months Trump's approval rating has held pretty steady at 42%. That's elections and border crisis starts and stops and government shutdown and startup and Trump claiming windpower gives you cancer. With 42% of Americans being Trumptard boneheads, making America great again will be very difficult after Trump is gone.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
No takers!
Oh, well!
CERTIFIED MORON DONALD TRUMP THINKS WIND TURBINES “CAUSE CANCER”
www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/donald-trump-wind-power-causes-cancer
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
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Maybe somebody should ask Rep. Jim Jordan,
R-Ohio, 4th District Lima, Marion, Elyria,
if Trump is correct about wind power causing cancer.
I believe Trump's cancer scare is to distract attention from the Mueller Investigation.
Trump Says Wind Turbine Noise Causes Cancer. (It Does Not.) A power source that does cause many health problems, including cancer, is coal, an extremely dirty fuel Trump loves and has attempted to bolster, with almost no success.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/trump-says-wind-turbine-noise-c
auses-cancer-it-does-not.html
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Everything he does is to distract away from the Mueller Investigation. He's cracking under pressure - Oranges!? ya know! the beginnings of the Mueller
Investigation.....WTF!?
SGG
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Originally posted by second:
Maybe somebody should ask Rep. Jim Jordan,
R-Ohio, 4th District Lima, Marion, Elyria,
if Trump is correct about wind power causing cancer.
I believe Trump's cancer scare is to distract attention from the Mueller Investigation.
Trump Says Wind Turbine Noise Causes Cancer. (It Does Not.) A power source that does cause many health problems, including cancer, is coal, an extremely dirty fuel Trump loves and has attempted to bolster, with almost no success.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/trump-says-wind-turbine-noise-c
auses-cancer-it-does-not.html
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Oh look! They're all getting together to re-write reality!
This'll be ... boring.
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Quote:Oh, look! rue/1kiki lost her mind on April 2, 2019 6:57 PM
Originally posted by rue:
Oh look! They're all getting together to re-write reality!
This'll be ... boring.
Maybe blubbery Trump can save rue/1kiki from Death!
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63023&mid=10732
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Originally posted by rue:
I agree with Signy. There are parts to you that are your definition of 'who you are'. I've never in my life had much of a sense of smell or taste. And I wore glasses from first or second grade. My hearing used to be phenomenal but I lost it so gradually and so early that I just laugh about being deaf. But the one constant sign of health was my low blood pressure. Then one day - overnight - it skyrocketed to stroke territory and I've been struggling even with medication to keep it down. That truly rocked me. To my core I felt vulnerable and unsafe, because I was.
But there may be some other side effect to 'smile' they don't know about yet. Here's an example: I was looking into turbinate (nose) surgery to relieve my constantly stuffed up nose. And I ran across a rare side effect called 'empty nose syndrome'. It's SO VERY distressing to the people who have it many commit suicide (at least one after murdering their surgeon). It apparently FEELS like your nose is constantly, unrelievedly, completely stuffed up even though, mechanically, you can breathe just fine.
(I thought about that and realized that even though we're not aware of it on a conscious level, we can actually feel air moving through our nose as we breathe. Generally when they do turbinate surgery they work on the lowest one of three because it's the biggest and the furthest away from your olfactory organ and your cribiform plate, which separates your brain from your nasal cavity. Anyway, when they open up the lowest turbinate completely, since the air is flowing smoothly through - laminar instead of turbulent - you can't sense the flow since air isn't impinging on any tissues. OTOH since your upper two turbinates are still swollen, you can feel the pressure. So it feels like your nose is stuffed up and no air is going through. The answer might be to have people suck menthol lozenges, since the menthol causes a cooling feeling as the air goes by. That might help people FEEL that they're breathing.)
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Completely losing your shit again?
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Quote:Have you stopped defending Trump?
Originally posted by rue:
Completely losing your shit again?
The April 2 deadline for turning the Mueller Report over to Congress has passed.
There was never any reason to give the Justice Department ten days, since they’re demanding an unredacted version. I suppose that’s water under the bridge, but what’s the excuse for delaying even longer now that their deadline is up? Bill Barr is not going to change his mind and he’s not going to “reach an accommodation.” That’s not what the Trump administration does. So just issue the subpoena and then go to court. It’s where we’ll end up eventually anyway. Why put it off?
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SECOND, try as you might, you can't get around the fact that you lied repeatedly about what others posted, and then built on that lie with more lies. If Trump has used that tactic, then so have you.- SIGNY
Trump's blah blah blah blah .... SECONDRATE
SECOND, try as you might, you can't get around the fact that you lied repeatedly about what others posted, and then built on that lie with more lies. If Trump has used that tactic, then so have you.
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Quote:Trump’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen recently testified in Congress that he does not believe the president is being audited.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, try as you might, you can't get around the fact that you lied repeatedly about what others posted, and then built on that lie with more lies. If Trump has used that tactic, then so have you.
But Trump continued to make the claim today, on Wednesday, April 3rd.
“We’re under audit despite what people said, and we’re working that out as I’m always under audit it seems. But I’ve been under audit for many years because the numbers are big and I guess when you have a name, you’re audited,” Trump said at a White House meeting with U.S. military leaders.
“But until such time as I’m not under audit, I would not be inclined to do that,” he said in response to a reporter’s question about the committee’s request for Trump's tax returns.
The U.S. House Ways and Means Committee asked the Internal Revenue Service for six years of President Donald Trump’s personal and business tax returns on Wednesday, in a long-awaited move that is widely expected to lead to a lengthy court battle with the Trump administration.
All 6 years are under audit continuously forever, if Trump can be believed.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-tax/u-s-house-committee-seeks-tru
mp-tax-returns-from-irs-idUSKCN1RF2S1
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Quote:Yep. SECONDRATE is losing his shit, again. I read KIKI's post about empty-nose syndrome as an interesting observation about an unanticipated side effect of a common procedure. Which sometimes leads to suicide. Like the SMILE procedure that was supposed to be safe (but maybe wasn't).
Oh, look! rue/1kiki lost her mind on April 2, 2019 6:57 PM
Maybe blubbery Trump can save rue/1kiki from Death!- SECONDRATE
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63023&mid=10732
11#1073211
All we were doing was speculating. Was the meteorologist nuts to begin with? Was it an anesthesia reaction? Was it something about the procedure itself? KIKI brought some info to the table. YOU, SECOND, put a bizarre interpretation that this was some existential cry for help.
Like I said: You got snakes in your head. And then you pretend that it's the other person who's nuts!
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Some on Mueller’s Team See Their Findings as More Damaging for Trump Than Barr Revealed
WASHINGTON — Some of Robert S. Mueller III’s investigators have told associates that Attorney General William P. Barr failed to adequately portray the findings of their inquiry and that they were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. Barr indicated, according to government officials and others familiar with their simmering frustrations.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/some-on-muellers-team-see-thei
r-findings-as-more-damaging-for-trump-than-barr-revealed/ar-BBVB0HE?ocid=spartandhp
tick tock people...
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Quote:Signym, you and all the Trump lovers, and only them, gathered to speculate about the suicide of a FOX News personality working in a city they don't live. And then the Trump lovers shared their own sad stories with hints about their own deeply personal suicidal thoughts. You all are not right in the head and that goes for areas far removed from Trump or politics.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yep. SECONDRATE is losing his shit, again. I read KIKI's post about empty-nose syndrome as an interesting observation about an unanticipated side effect of a common procedure. Which sometimes leads to suicide. Like the SMILE procedure that was supposed to be safe (but maybe wasn't).
All we were doing was speculating. Was the meteorologist nuts to begin with? Was it an anesthesia reaction? Was it something about the procedure itself? KIKI brought some info to the table. YOU, SECOND, put a bizarre interpretation that this was some existential cry for help.
Like I said: You got snakes in your head. And then you pretend that it's the other person who's nuts!
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63023
Signym, I look forward to you responded with something about "liars" and "snakes". I don't expect you will respond about Trump lying, today, that all his tax returns are always and forever being audited and that is why he can't give a copy to a House Committee looking into Tax Cheating by the wealthy.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-tax/u-s-house-committee-seeks-tru
mp-tax-returns-from-irs-idUSKCN1RF2S1
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Signym, you and all the Trump lovers, and only them, gathered to speculate about the suicide of a FOX News personality working in a city they don't live. And then the Trump lovers shared their own sad stories with hints about their own deeply personal suicidal thoughts. You all are not right in the head and that goes for areas far removed from Trump or politics.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yep. SECONDRATE is losing his shit, again. I read KIKI's post about empty-nose syndrome as an interesting observation about an unanticipated side effect of a common procedure. Which sometimes leads to suicide. Like the SMILE procedure that was supposed to be safe (but maybe wasn't).
All we were doing was speculating. Was the meteorologist nuts to begin with? Was it an anesthesia reaction? Was it something about the procedure itself? KIKI brought some info to the table. YOU, SECOND, put a bizarre interpretation that this was some existential cry for help.
Like I said: You got snakes in your head. And then you pretend that it's the other person who's nuts!
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63023
Signym, I look forward to you responded with something about "liars" and "snakes". I don't expect you will respond about Trump lying, today, that all his tax returns are always and forever being audited and that is why he can't give a copy to a House Committee looking into Tax Cheating by the wealthy.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-tax/u-s-house-committee-seeks-tru
mp-tax-returns-from-irs-idUSKCN1RF2S1
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
I had no idea she was from FOX. Seems you know more about her than I do.
Why don't you regale us with all the ways you'd assassinate Trump and get away with it again? Show us how right in the head you are.
Even T was impressed with that.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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28 posts in one day? Isn't the Mueller Investigation over?
All we've learned is that SIGs is the same as Trump. According to Sloppy Second-rate.
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Quote:Has anybody heard if second's claim has been verified by anyone?
Originally posted:
Maybe somebody should ask Rep. Jim Jordan,
R-Ohio, 4th District Lima, Marion, Elyria,
if Trump is correct about wind power causing cancer.
I believe Trump's cancer scare is to distract attention from the Mueller Investigation.
Trump Says Wind Turbine Noise Causes Cancer. (It Does Not.)
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/trump-says-wind-turbine-noise-c
auses-cancer-it-does-not.html
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Quote:Lying again! NOT a "Trump lover". (And not, btw, a "Russian troll")
Yep. SECONDRATE is losing his shit, again. I read KIKI's post about empty-nose syndrome as an interesting observation about an unanticipated side effect of a common procedure. Which sometimes leads to suicide. Like the SMILE procedure that was supposed to be safe (but maybe wasn't).
All we were doing was speculating. Was the meteorologist nuts to begin with? Was it an anesthesia reaction? Was it something about the procedure itself? KIKI brought some info to the table. YOU, SECOND, put a bizarre interpretation that this was some existential cry for help.
Like I said: You got snakes in your head. And then you pretend that it's the other person who's nuts! -SIGNY
Signym, you and all the Trump lovers...
Quote:Lying again! Where, exactly, did ANY of us express any "suicidal thoughts"? Some QUOTES would be nice ... Hey, go find some!
...and only them, gathered to speculate about the suicide of a FOX News personality working in a city they don't live. And then the Trump lovers shared their own sad stories with hints about their own deeply personal suicidal thoughts.
Quote:Oh, I'll do you one better ...
Signym, I look forward to you responded with something about "liars" and "snakes". SECONDRATE
I think the reason why YOU keep bringing up suicide is because it's been persistently on your mind. I think this is a case of sheer projection. Now, I'm only an armchair psychologist and of course you don't need to take me seriously, but ... dood ... I think you need to get some help lancing that emotional boil that's festering inside.
Quote:There are probably thousands of things that I don't care about as far as Trump is concerned.
I don't expect you will respond about Trump lying, today, that all his tax returns are always and forever being audited and that is why he can't give a copy to a House Committee looking into Tax Cheating by the wealthy.-SECONDRATE
"Collusion"? A make-believe problem
"Obstruction"? Another made-up issue.
Lying about golf? Don't care.
Lying about his father's birthplace? Ditto
His former business practices? His taxes? His sexual habits?
Pffffttt!!!
I voted for him to get three things done. If he gets those three things done, I'm a happy camper. There is always life after Trump, but Trump will have preserved the foundation for getting other things done later.
Now, for the sake of completeness there are some personal crimes I WOULD react to ... murder, human (including child) trafficking etc. These crimes are so heinous they would outweigh any progress being made with policy.
But my happiness or unhappiness rests primarily on what Trump does with those three things. That's why I'm entirely unimpresssed with you and REAVERBOT's style of throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. And yanno what? I'd say the same thing about Hillary.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
28 posts in one day? Isn't the Mueller Investigation over?
All we've learned is that SIGs is the same as Trump. According to Sloppy Second-rate.
I do get a chuckle every time I see this thread title at the top.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Signym, aren't you nice and sane. What were those three things you voted for Trump to get done? Something about ending foreign trade to increase American manufacturing jobs, deporting foreigners, ending foreign military alliances. You could give a more nuanced summary than I. If you expect Trump to do the three, you'll have to repeat the three many-many more times than three.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I voted for him to get three things done. If he gets those three things done, I'm a happy camper. There is always life after Trump, but Trump will have preserved the foundation for getting other things done later.
Now, for the sake of completeness there are some personal crimes I WOULD react to ... murder, human (including child) trafficking etc. These crimes are so heinous they would outweigh any progress being made with policy.
But my happiness or unhappiness rests primarily on what Trump does with those three things. That's why I'm entirely unimpresssed with you and REAVERBOT's style of throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. And yanno what? I'd say the same thing about Hillary.
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Quote:That was in the article you failed to read. Emphasize the words "you" and "fail".
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I had no idea she was from FOX. Seems you know more about her than I do.
Gee, I wonder why Attorney General Barr didn’t like the Mueller team’s own summary of their work. It would have been quick and easy to release, and presumably it would have been a very accurate precis of what the full report says.
Some members of the Special Prosecutor's office were particularly disappointed that Barr did not release summary information the special counsel team had prepared, according to two people familiar with their reactions. “There was immediate displeasure from the team when they saw how the attorney general had characterized their work instead,” according one U.S. official briefed on the matter.
Summaries were prepared for different sections of the report, with a view that they could made public, the official said. The report was prepared “so that the front matter from each section could have been released immediately — or very quickly,” the official said. “It was done in a way that minimum redactions, if any, would have been necessary, and the work would have spoken for itself.”
Mueller’s team assumed the information was going to be made available to the public, the official said, “and so they prepared their summaries to be shared in their own words — and not in the attorney general’s summary of their work, as turned out to be the case.”
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/04/did-william-barr-whitewash-the-
mueller-report-part-2/
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Or maybe most normal people don't freak out when they see those three letters "FOX".
I went back to the article and saw that it mentions that she worked for FOX2 Detroit. It could have just as easily been ABC2 Cleveland, and would have made no difference.
You DO realize that local FOX local stations are not at all related to FOX cable news, don't you dummy?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Do you realize that most people will never make connections between "apparently" unconnected ideas and because of that they have very difficult lives and die in mediocrity? The connection is a spark, or a bolt of lighting when you are really lucky, that powers all progress. Some rich man wrote that while explaining that he didn't cheat, lie, or steal his fortune. It was not Trump, who did cheat, lie AND steal his fortune. Oh, and I also looked up the FOX suicide personality and she has (had?) pictures of herself, in MAGA cap, with Trump. Sad that Trump didn't call her after her botched vision improvement surgery. Also sad that Trump does not know what three things Signym wants him to do. He is forever saying he is going to do things, and then he forgets. Signym should remind him as many times as necessary. He is getting a little forgetful and funny in the head, you know what I mean if you know someone with dementia.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Or maybe most normal people don't freak out when they see those three letters "FOX".
I went back to the article and saw that it mentions that she worked for FOX2 Detroit. It could have just as easily been ABC2 Cleveland, and would have made no difference.
You DO realize that local FOX local stations are not at all related to FOX cable news, don't you dummy?
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Originally posted by second: Also sad that Trump does not know what three things Signym wants him to do. He is forever saying he is going to do things, and then he forgets. Signym should remind him as many times as necessary.
Not to defend Trump
- but her 3 things were designed to be as memorable as wet cardboard.1. "Defeat TPP!" Yeah, right - such a huge part of her everyday joy and happiness. Sounds great though! Snore.
2. "Stop the global wars!" Who's gonna have a problem with that? Who doesn't want that? No one on the planet would want that. Not even Trump. Ok, so Trump does want that - see: increase in military spending. See: Trump not doing a single thing to reduce military footprint in the world. Start Hillary! WarHawk! BS in 3... 2... 1...
3. What was 3? Was it health care? Infrastructure? Living wage? Aggressively address global warming? Reduce guns? Safer schools? Fix social security? I just can't remember...
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Mueller’s Team Gathered ‘Alarming’ Trump Obstruction Evidence: Washington Post
https://www.thedailybeast.com/muellers-team-gathered-alarming-trump-ob
struction-evidence-washington-post
The Washington Post has backed up the New York Times report from late Wednesday that some members of Robert Mueller’s team have said the special counsel report is much worse for the president than was suggested by Attorney General William Barr. In its report, the Post goes a step further, claiming some members of Mueller’s team have complained to close associates that they gathered “alarming and significant” evidence of obstruction by President Trump. “It was much more acute than Barr suggested,” one source is reported to have said.
In his summary, Barr said that the special counsel did not establish evidence for a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, and said that Mueller didn’t conclude “one way or the other” as to whether Trump’s conduct in office constituted obstruction of justice. Barr also said that he concluded the evidence was not sufficient to prove obstruction. “There was immediate displeasure from the team when they saw how the attorney general had characterized their work,” said one official. Summaries were reportedly prepared for different sections of the report, which Mueller’s team thought could be released immediately without redaction.
Also,
Suddenly, Republicans Don’t Care About How Mueller Spent His Money
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-report-suddenly-republicans-dont
-care-about-how-mueller-spent-his-money
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Quote:Deporting foreigners. The 3 are: ending foreign trade to increase American manufacturing jobs, deporting foreigners, ending foreign military alliances. His "solid" achievements are New NAFTA which hasn't passed Congress, threatening to build a fence, threatening to leave NATO.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
3. What was 3? Was it health care? Infrastructure? Living wage? Aggressively address global warming? Reduce guns? Safer schools? Fix social security? I just can't remember...
www.politico.com/story/2019/04/02/pelosi-new-nafta-mexico-1311482
https://theweek.com/speedreads/817684/trump-reportedly-keeps-threateni
ng-pull-nato-coincidentally-thats-putins-no-1-goal
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Deporting foreigners. The 3 are: ending foreign trade to increase American manufacturing jobs, deporting foreigners, ending foreign military alliances.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
3. What was 3? Was it health care? Infrastructure? Living wage? Aggressively address global warming? Reduce guns? Safer schools? Fix social security? I just can't remember...
Wrong on all counts. You're lying, again.
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Quote:Would you care to point us toward the URL where you concisely described your position? Or is your position so foggy, confused, and full of hot air (tl;dnr) that you actually do not have a position and therefore would rather not?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Deporting foreigners. The 3 are: ending foreign trade to increase American manufacturing jobs, deporting foreigners, ending foreign military alliances.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
3. What was 3? Was it health care? Infrastructure? Living wage? Aggressively address global warming? Reduce guns? Safer schools? Fix social security? I just can't remember...
Wrong on all counts. You're lying, again.
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tl%3Bdnr
Signym, if you want Trump to do your 3 somethings, the something has to be short enough that he will read all the way to the end. Make your answer tweet size . . .
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I think I'm going to MOSTLY sit this thread out. I see the usual suspects are circling the wagons against reality. And what's the point of arguing about somebody's delusions? There are more productive things to do that have to do with actuality.
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Quote:Why did you post, then, if your time is so precious?
Originally posted by rue:
I think I'm going to mostly sit this thread out. I see the usual suspects are circling the wagons against reality. And what's the point of arguing about somebody's delusions? There are more productive things to do that have to do with actuality.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
The New York Times had no legitimate sources, which would be totally illegal, concerning the Mueller Report. In fact, they probably had no sources at all! They are a Fake News paper who have already been forced to apologize for their incorrect and very bad reporting on me!
8:04 AM - 4 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1113819627212169219
Who needs a president who committed a lot of gray area crimes but just isn’t indicted?
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House Democrats explain why it’s taken 3 months to authorize subpoenas into Trump
House Democrats say they gave the White House many chances to comply with their requests voluntarily. But the Trump administration has clearly been reluctant to turn over anything — whether officials for testimony, or key documents — something Democrats are calling a clear attempt to stonewall major investigations into the president, his administration, his businesses, and his family.
House Democrats continue waiting on key documents from the Trump administration on what went wrong in Puerto Rico in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria; they’re waiting on testimonies from White officials about security clearances; they’re waiting on more information about Trump’s national emergency declaration on the southern border. The list goes on.
Tired of Trump's stalling, House Democrats finally authorized subpoenas this week to get the full Mueller report. They got serious about requesting Trump’s tax returns. They issued four subpoenas related to the White House security clearance process and the administration’s effort to put a citizenship question on the census.
Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA), who sits on the House Oversight committee, said that it’s important that House Democrats work is perceived as Congress’ constitutional duty, and not just an attempt to “score partisan points on the president.”
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/4/18293880/house-democrats-subp
oenas-trump-slow
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SECONDRATE: Stick it up your ass. That's where all your posts come from anyway.
There were three things I was hoping Trump would accomplish, because I believe they're extremely important and rbecause they're in any President's purview of foreign policy:
1) Kill TPP and TTIP. DONE. Those would have given up our sovereignty to trade tribunals. Also, it would be nice to extricate ourselves from NAFTA, CAFTA, and other "free trade" agreements.
2) Reverse illegal immigration. IN PROCESS.
3) End our endless wars. FAILURE.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61953&p=3
*I'm going to judge Trump's performance on the three things, and ONLY the three things, that I voted for:
1) Ending our pointless wars and making nice with Russia and everybody else. That means reining in the CIA and the State Dept and their endless "interventionism" abroad. And good luck with THAT, Donald!
2) Backing out of the "free trade" agreements that we seem to have negotiated in favor of the transnationals. The only trade agreement that I might be willing to let stand is the WTO ... and maybe not even that.
3) Getting rid of illegal immigration.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60986
There are more, even dating back to before the election. I leave it to you to find the reast.
I've been EXTREMELY CLEAR and very concise about my expectations. I've explained them to you, ad nauseum. Why should I explain them again? You're either really really stupid (incapable of learning) or your're so consumed by the voices in your head that there's no place for reality.
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Quote:Very good, Signym. Your three points are too long for a tweet, so Trump won't be reading them. None of your points require the President to go along. All of your points require the Congress to agree with Signym. If you don't like Wars, get the Congress to return to the good old days of 1941 when FDR could not go to war until Congress declared War. Congress has been ignoring that for the last 78 years. And while Congress is at it, they could place a leash around the CIA's neck, rather than let those pit bulls bite whoever the CIA and White House pleases.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I've been EXTREMELY CLEAR and very concise about my expectations. I've explained them to you, ad nauseum. Why should I explain them again? You're either really really stupid (incapable of learning) or your're so consumed by the voices in your head that there's no place for reality.
And the most obvious, if Congress doesn't want trade deals, the President can't force a deal. Voting for Trump was not necessary to your side, Signym, but Congress is. What you need, Signym, is to get 26 of 50 States on your side. Getting the President to agree with you will get you almost nothing as Trump has demonstrated over and over. The President is not all powerful, except in tasks that can be completed in a week, such as nuking the entire world or shutting down all flights of the Boeing 737 Max.
It is Congress that is all powerful (including the power to remove Presidents and Judges), not the President, but it is very difficult to get 26 States to decide anything, which often leaves what little gets decided to the President.
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SLOPPYSECONDS. I've also explained how these specific items are within the purview of a President, not Congress. You really REALLY should get that psychological problem fixed. You spend way too much time with the voices in your head.
And lying. Let's not forget all the lying that you do.
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WSJ op-ed (font and format approximates original)
Trolling the Mueller Report
Democrats lost on collusion. Now they’re inventing a coverup.
Democrats are still reeling from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s conclusion that the Trump campaign did not collude with Russians in 2016. But they’ve now hit upon a political comeback strategy: Accuse Attorney General William Barr of a coverup.
That’s the context for Wednesday’s decision by House Democrats to authorize subpoenas, on a partisan vote, demanding that Mr. Barr immediately hand over the entire Mueller report and its supporting evidence. This is intended to give the impression, abetted by a press corps that was fully invested in the collusion story, that Mr. Barr is somehow lying about Mr. Mueller’s real conclusions.
That’s preposterous, since Mr. Barr’s four-page letter quotes directly from Mr. Mueller’s report. The AG surely understood on releasing the summary of conclusions last week that he would be open to contradiction by Mr. Mueller if he took such liberties. Mr. Barr also knew he’d be called to testify before Congress once the rest of the report is released.
Mr. Barr has committed to releasing as much of the report as possible subject to Justice Department rules. He’s working with the special counsel’s office to make redactions required by grand-jury rules of secrecy, intelligence sources and methods, ongoing investigations, and “the personal privacy and reputational interests of peripheral third parties.”
Under Justice rules relating to special counsels, Mr. Barr has no obligation to provide anything beyond notifying Congress when an investigation has started or concluded, and whether the AG overruled a special counsel’s decisions. Mr. Barr’s notice to Congress that Mr. Mueller had completed his investigation said Mr. Mueller was not overruled.
Congress has no automatic right to more. The final subparagraph of DOJ’s rule governing special counsels reads: “The regulations in this part are not intended to, do not, and may not be relied upon to create any rights, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or equity, by any person or entity, in any matter, civil, criminal or administrative.”
Mr. Barr has made clear that he appreciates the public interest in seeing as much of Mr. Mueller’s report as possible. Yet his categories of information for review aren’t frivolous or political inventions. The law protecting grand-jury secrecy is especially strict, as even Democrats admit.
House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff recently tweeted that “Barr should seek court approval (just like in Watergate) to allow the release of grand jury material. Redactions are unacceptable.” This is an acknowledgment that the government must apply to a judge for permission to disclose grand-jury proceedings.
A judge can grant release in certain circumstances—namely to government attorneys who need the information for their duties. None of the secrecy exceptions permit disclosure to Congress or the public. The purpose of this secrecy is to protect the innocent and encourage candor in grand-jury testimony.
It’s true that in 1974 the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed a federal judge’s decision to release a grand jury report to the House Judiciary Committee that was investigating Watergate. Such a sealed report—which juries can choose to produce—is different from raw grand-jury testimony, which is what Democrats are demanding now. The Supreme Court has never ruled on such a disclosure, so Democrats could be facing a long legal battle if Mr. Barr resists their subpoenas.
Mr. Barr should release as much of the report as possible, and on close calls he should side with public disclosure. But no one should think that Democrats are really worried about a coverup. They want to see an unredacted version before the public does so they can leak selected bits that allow them to use friendly media outlets to claim there really was collusion, or to tarnish Trump officials.
The nation is entitled to
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Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Mueller’s Team Gathered ‘Alarming’ Trump Obstruction Evidence: Washington Post
https://www.thedailybeast.com/muellers-team-gathered-alarming-trump-ob
struction-evidence-washington-post
The Washington Post has backed up the New York Times report from late Wednesday that some members of Robert Mueller’s team have said the special counsel report is much worse for the president than was suggested by Attorney General William Barr. In its report, the Post goes a step further, claiming some members of Mueller’s team have complained to close associates that they gathered “alarming and significant” evidence of obstruction by President Trump. “It was much more acute than Barr suggested,” one source is reported to have said.
In his summary, Barr said that the special counsel did not establish evidence for a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, and said that Mueller didn’t conclude “one way or the other” as to whether Trump’s conduct in office constituted obstruction of justice. Barr also said that he concluded the evidence was not sufficient to prove obstruction. “There was immediate displeasure from the team when they saw how the attorney general had characterized their work,” said one official. Summaries were reportedly prepared for different sections of the report, which Mueller’s team thought could be released immediately without redaction.
Also,
Suddenly, Republicans Don’t Care About How Mueller Spent His Money
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-report-suddenly-republicans-dont
-care-about-how-mueller-spent-his-money
It's looking like Mueller didn't say Trump and his campaign colluded with the Russians, because the evidence showed these guys were so stupid the Russians manipulated them, like a puppeteer miniplates a puppet. Sad, very sad.
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William Barr Was Just Exposed on His Bullshit Summary of the Mueller Report
In a true shocker, The Barr Letter did not accurately represent the full findings of The Mueller Report.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27041135/robert-mueller-team-qu
estion-william-barr-letter-donald-trump-russia/
It was amazing to watch the reaction to The Barr Letter. Here was an attorney general who got the job after he wrote a 19-page memo cross-examining the Mueller probe, particularly on the question of obstruction of justice, releasing a four-page summary of a two-year investigation that dismissed obstruction along the same lines he had before he'd seen any of the non-public evidence. Barr was also involved in sweeping a previous Republican presidential scandal under the rug, as he was George H.W. Bush's attorney general when that president opted to pardon everybody involved in Iran-Contra before they could start testifying about how deep that scandal went into the Reagan and Bush administrations.
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Report: Mueller investigators wrote summaries they assumed would be made public
https://theweek.com/speedreads/833201/report-mueller-investigators-wro
te-summaries-assumed-made-public
When Special Counsel Robert Mueller submitted his report on Russian interference in the 2016 election and the possibility of President Trump obstructing justice, it was prepared so every section had its own summary, with the belief each would be made available to the public, a U.S. official familiar with the matter told The Washington Post.
With that in mind, some members of the Mueller team have told associates they are frustrated with Attorney General William Barr sending a four-page letter to Congress that summarized the report in his own words. "There was immediate displeasure from the team when they saw how the attorney general had characterized their work instead," the official told the Post, adding that Mueller's office prepared their summaries in "a way that minimum redactions, if any, would have been necessary, and the work would have spoken for itself."
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Quote:Signym, nobody who took a high school class in government will ever forget you know nothing about America. Back in 1969 we had much more serious discussions than at fff.net in class at Sam Rayburn High in Pasadena, TX about the ridiculous Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and how Congress was not taking responsibility for the Vietnam War. That War had not yet turned into the complete fiasco of the Nixon years, but Congress was letting it happen out of indecision. I noticed today that Congress has awoken from its long slumber about Wars, going up against Trump's stupidity that is greater than Nixon's:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SLOPPYSECONDS. I've also explained how these specific items are within the purview of a President, not Congress. You really REALLY should get that psychological problem fixed. You spend way too much time with the voices in your head.
And lying. Let's not forget all the lying that you do.
"Congress invokes powers to challenge Trump on war in Yemen"
www.apnews.com/263d2069e3a0450b9f6329d01004de0c
There are many things wrong in the Federal Government that only Congress can fix. Yet Congress has left it to the President and he cannot fix what is broken. He doesn't have the power and certainly this President doesn't have the wisdom. Signym, if you ever believed that foolish Trump could fix any of your three must-have things, you were deluding yourself.
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Quote:If Presidents are so powerless, what's your beef with Trump AS PRESIDENT? You surely had no particular animus before he was elected, so it's not about him, personally. Why do you want to assassinate him so badly?
Originally posted by SECOND:
Yet Congress has left it to the President and he cannot fix what is broken. He doesn't have the power ...
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Quote:And another 23 posts today.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
28 posts in one day? Isn't the Mueller Investigation over?
All we've learned is that SIGs is the same as Trump. According to Sloppy Second-rate.
I do get a chuckle every time I see this thread title at the top.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by rue:
WSJ op-ed (font and format approximates original)
Trolling the Mueller Report
Democrats lost on collusion. Now they’re inventing a coverup.
Democrats are still reeling from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s conclusion that the Trump campaign did not collude with Russians in 2016. But they’ve now hit upon a political comeback strategy: Accuse Attorney General William Barr of a coverup.
That’s the context for Wednesday’s decision by House Democrats to authorize subpoenas, on a partisan vote, demanding that Mr. Barr immediately hand over the entire Mueller report and its supporting evidence. This is intended to give the impression, abetted by a press corps that was fully invested in the collusion story, that Mr. Barr is somehow lying about Mr. Mueller’s real conclusions.
That’s preposterous, since Mr. Barr’s four-page letter quotes directly from Mr. Mueller’s report. The AG surely understood on releasing the summary of conclusions last week that he would be open to contradiction by Mr. Mueller if he took such liberties. Mr. Barr also knew he’d be called to testify before Congress once the rest of the report is released.
Mr. Barr has committed to releasing as much of the report as possible subject to Justice Department rules. He’s working with the special counsel’s office to make redactions required by grand-jury rules of secrecy, intelligence sources and methods, ongoing investigations, and “the personal privacy and reputational interests of peripheral third parties.”
Under Justice rules relating to special counsels, Mr. Barr has no obligation to provide anything beyond notifying Congress when an investigation has started or concluded, and whether the AG overruled a special counsel’s decisions. Mr. Barr’s notice to Congress that Mr. Mueller had completed his investigation said Mr. Mueller was not overruled.
Congress has no automatic right to more. The final subparagraph of DOJ’s rule governing special counsels reads: “The regulations in this part are not intended to, do not, and may not be relied upon to create any rights, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or equity, by any person or entity, in any matter, civil, criminal or administrative.”
Mr. Barr has made clear that he appreciates the public interest in seeing as much of Mr. Mueller’s report as possible. Yet his categories of information for review aren’t frivolous or political inventions. The law protecting grand-jury secrecy is especially strict, as even Democrats admit.
House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff recently tweeted that “Barr should seek court approval (just like in Watergate) to allow the release of grand jury material. Redactions are unacceptable.” This is an acknowledgment that the government must apply to a judge for permission to disclose grand-jury proceedings.
A judge can grant release in certain circumstances—namely to government attorneys who need the information for their duties. None of the secrecy exceptions permit disclosure to Congress or the public. The purpose of this secrecy is to protect the innocent and encourage candor in grand-jury testimony.
It’s true that in 1974 the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed a federal judge’s decision to release a grand jury report to the House Judiciary Committee that was investigating Watergate. Such a sealed report—which juries can choose to produce—is different from raw grand-jury testimony, which is what Democrats are demanding now. The Supreme Court has never ruled on such a disclosure, so Democrats could be facing a long legal battle if Mr. Barr resists their subpoenas.
Mr. Barr should release as much of the report as possible, and on close calls he should side with public disclosure. But no one should think that Democrats are really worried about a coverup. They want to see an unredacted version before the public does so they can leak selected bits that allow them to use friendly media outlets to claim there really was collusion, or to tarnish Trump of
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Quote:Such a delusional twit. Just because you and your high school twits didn't know about McNamara's disasters and LBJ's Tuesday Luncheons doesn't mean they weren't real.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Signym, nobody who took a high school class in government will ever forget you know nothing about America. Back in 1969 we had much more serious discussions than at fff.net in class at Sam Rayburn High in Pasadena, TX about the ridiculous Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and how Congress was not taking responsibility for the Vietnam War. That War had not yet turned into the complete fiasco of the Nixon years, but Congress was letting it happen out of indecision.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SLOPPYSECONDS. I've also explained how these specific items are within the purview of a President, not Congress. You really REALLY should get that psychological problem fixed. You spend way too much time with the voices in your head.
And lying. Let's not forget all the lying that you do.
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Quote:I don't want him dead. Trump has made me rich with a huge tax cut that will end when he is gone. But many other people have made me rich and that never stopped me from suing and winning when they tried to cheat me. Then there is the patriotic thing I've got going. Trump acts like a fool in front of the whole world. Despite that, he has 42% approval rating in the USA. I have a great deal of experience, going back many decades, with the people who now love Trump. These are people I never liked, only tolerated, but to get along I don't punch them in the face. I'm transferring my anger at their decades long string of stupidity and incompetence to Trump, who is a huge nincompoop.
Originally posted by rue:Quote:If Presidents are so powerless, what's your beef with Trump AS PRESIDENT? You surely had no particular animus before he was elected, so it's not about him, personally. Why do you want to assassinate him so badly?
Originally posted by SECOND:
Yet Congress has left it to the President and he cannot fix what is broken. He doesn't have the power ...
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
Maybe I should give some examples of the powerlessness of a President. Trump pulled America out of the Paris Climate Agreement. He also has tried to reverse coal's misfortunes of closing coal burning power plants. He is failing. America is still reducing its CO2 emissions same as if it was honoring the Paris Climate Agreement. And coal is not coming back.
Remember those Carrier jobs Trump "saved"? Neither does he. He is less powerful than he imagines.
www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a20066498/carrier-f
actory-donald-trump-jobs/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Hello, stupid moron. You got it exactly backwards per your usual. We did know in the class room. We did discuss it. But unlike here at fff.net there was a respected authority, the teacher, who could flunk us or use corporal punishment if we did not remember the facts and instead launched off into political fantasies. JewelStaiteFan, you would have flunked that civics class, but the students would have enjoyed seeing you paddled everyday as the teacher tried and failed to beat the nonsense out of you.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Such a delusional twit. Just because you and your high school twits didn't know about McNamara's disasters and LBJ's Tuesday Luncheons doesn't mean they weren't real.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Wow. SECOND, we all read what you posted, and then read how you doubled down on it after you were questioned about it.
Yet Congress has left it to the President and he cannot fix what is broken. He doesn't have the power ... SECONDRATE
If Presidents are so powerless, what's your beef with Trump AS PRESIDENT? You surely had no particular animus before he was elected, so it's not about him, personally. Why do you want to assassinate him so badly?- RUE/KIKI
I don't want him dead ...- SECONDRATE
So ... lying. Is it a way of life for you, now?
You lie in the worst possible way, SECOND: You lie to yourself about what you're doing and why you're doing it.
Get that problem fixed. See someone. You'll be a whole person and the snakes will be out of your head.
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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Trump retreated from his own policy yesterday, announcing that he’d decided not to close the border.
Trump, during a brief Q&A with reporters yesterday, he suggested that his threats forced Mexico to make significant changes, which made it possible for him to walk away from his gambit.
“Well, you know, Mexico has been – Mexico has been doing a very good job the last three or four days – since we talked about closing the border, which is very real. […]
“And I will say this: that Mexico, in the last four days, has really done a great job on their southern border…. And if you take a look, you’ll see a big difference.”
The president made related comments on Tuesday, boasting that Mexican officials improved their apprehension policies “as of yesterday.”
The Washington Post reported this morning that, Trump’s rhetoric notwithstanding, “Mexican authorities have said they have not altered their enforcement policies.”
Mexican Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard told reporters he doesn’t know why the American president suddenly began praising Mexican policies.
www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/after-caving-trump-tries-spin-his-way
-out-the-mess-he-made
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Quote:
Yet Congress has left it to the President and he cannot fix what is broken. He doesn't have the power ... SECONDRATE
If Presidents are so powerless, what's your beef with Trump AS PRESIDENT? You surely had no particular animus before he was elected, so it's not about him, personally. Why do you want to assassinate him so badly?- RUE/KIKI
I don't want him dead ...- SECONDRATE
Wow. SECOND, we all read what you posted, and then read how you doubled down on it after you were questioned about it.
So ... lying. Is it a way of life for you, now?
You lie in the worst possible way, SECOND: You lie to yourself about what you're doing and why you're doing it.
Get that problem fixed. See someone. You'll be a whole person and the snakes will be out of your head.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:Signym, the Mexican government has no idea where Trump gets his false facts about the Guatemala border. To find out where, Mueller should investigate Trump/Mexico:
Originally posted by SIGNYM: (rerun comment from yesterday)
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
The Crazed and Dishonest Washington Post again purposely got it wrong. Mexico, for the first time in decades, is meaningfully apprehending illegals at THEIR Southern Border, before the long march up to the U.S. This is great and the way it should be. The big flow will stop.......
6:04 AM - 5 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1114151754722156544
....However, if for any reason Mexico stops apprehending and bringing the illegals back to where they came from, the U.S. will be forced to Tariff at 25% all cars made in Mexico and shipped over the Border to us. If that doesn’t work, which it will, I will close the Border.......
6:11 AM - 5 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1114153614216441856
....This will supersede USMCA. Likewise I am looking at an economic penalty for the 500 Billion Dollars in illegal DRUGS that are shipped and smuggled through Mexico and across our Southern Border. Over 100,00 Americans die each year, sooo many families destroyed!
6:19 AM - 5 Apr 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1114155671950364677
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Maybe you didn't read the thread title?
The Mueller investigation?
It's over.
Stop beating a dead horse.
Oh, and get the help you so obviously and desperately need.
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Quote:That's like saying the movie is over when all you've seen is 30 seconds from a trailer on youtube edited by Attorney General Barr. And speaking of "beating a brain dead horse": Trump is spouting nonsense at a greater rate. At a conservative conference where he literally hugged a flag, Trump ditched his script and rambled for two mostly incoherent hours.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe you didn't read the thread title?
The Mueller investigation?
It's over.
Stop beating a dead horse.
Oh, and get the help you so obviously and desperately need.
In any family, a 72-year-old man who spoke this way would be the subject of urgent discussions. Trump's trouble accessing words, summoning long-term memories, and naming a famous man in front of him could indicate mental deterioration. Add the crazy talk about windmills and cancer, coming from the leader of the free world, and you get a situation that ought to alarm everyone. This situation is complicated by Trump's long and deep record of lying to suit his purpose.
Call Mueller. He can look into Trump's head. But before that Mueller could read to us some excerpts from his most recent report, bypassing Barr.
www.cnn.com/2019/04/05/opinions/trump-is-spouting-nonsense-at-a-greate
r-rate-dantonio/index.html
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Speaking of spouting nonsense, that's what you've been doing nonstop since you developed Trump Derangement Syndrome. Take, for exaple, your last post. The "Mueller investigation" that you call for is beyond Mueller's remit. So, no, Mueller CANNOT "look into Trump's head" because
1) Legally he's not empowered to do so, and
2) Professionally that would be beyond his expertise anyway, and Mueller's opinion would be irrelevant, at best.
Maybe if you'd stop attacking on all fronts and ... oh yeah, lying ... and stop responding to the voice in your head but actually be cognizant of WHAT OTHER PEOPLE POST ... we could have an actual discussion.
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Quote:Signym, you might recall that Trump said Mueller's investigation was illegal. He talked about firing Mueller. He actually did fire James Comey, who was doing a similar investigation to Mueller's, but Comey didn't have the protection of the Special Counsel law. Trump said thousands of times that Mueller was on a Witch Hunt. He said that the Democrats were unlawfully harassing him. Trump was angry to the point of firing his Attorney General Jeff Sessions for allowing this travesty of justice. Funny how Trump and Signym use the exact same arguments.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Speaking of spouting nonsense, that's what you've been doing nonstop since you developed Trump Derangement Syndrome. Take, for exaple, your last post. The "Mueller investigation" that you call for is beyond Mueller's remit. So, no, Mueller CANNOT "look into Trump's head" because
1) Legally he's not empowered to do so, and
2) Professionally that would be beyond his expertise anyway, and Mueller's opinion would be irrelevant, at best.
Luckily the 25th Amendment was designed for the case when Trump goes funny in the head. None of the decision makers need be doctors or Muellers: Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendments/ame
ndment-xxv
Take note that the Constitution does not allow Trump or Signym a vote on Trump's removal because of dementia/insanity/incompetence/foolishness.
The most bizarre moments from Donald Trump’s CPAC speech
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Barr's legacy on the line as Mueller team fumes
Legal experts and lawmakers say the attorney general is mishandling the special counsel's report.
www.politico.com/story/2019/04/04/barr-legacy-mueller-report-1256871
Members of Congress are even asking whether Barr himself has broken the law, saying his characterization of the Mueller probe allowed Trump and his allies to build a public narrative clearing the president of any wrongdoing — by Barr withholding the proof. Barr could find himself in trouble if the release of the Mueller report shows that his March 24 letter was materially misleading or contained material omissions. Prosecutors who wrote the Mueller report said Barr did mislead and omit.
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Quote:fify
Originally posted by SECOND:
That's like saying ... blah blah blah blah and blah ...
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Quote:Yet another example of Sloppy Second-rate fabricating Fake Quotes.
Originally posted by second:Quote:That's like saying the movie is over when all you've seen is 30 seconds from a trailer on youtube edited by Attorney General Barr. And speaking of "beating a brain dead horse": Trump is spouting nonsense at a greater rate.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe you didn't read the thread title?
The Mueller investigation?
It's over.
Stop beating a dead horse.
Oh, and get the help you so obviously and desperately need.
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Mueller's investigation may be over but what's in the report has yet be revealed.
tick tock
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe you didn't read the thread title?
The Mueller investigation?
It's over.
Stop beating a dead horse.
Oh, and get the help you so obviously and desperately need.
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
That's like saying the movie is over when all you've seen is 30 seconds from a trailer on youtube edited by Attorney General Barr. And speaking of "beating a brain dead horse": Trump is spouting nonsense at a greater rate.
Quote:You READ SECOND's posts!!??? I give you a lot of credit for being far more diligent than I!
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Yet another example of Sloppy Second-rate fabricating Fake Quotes.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe you didn't read the thread title?
The Mueller investigation?
It's over.
Stop beating a dead horse.
Oh, and get the help you so obviously and desperately need.
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
That's like saying the movie is over when all you've seen is 30 seconds from a trailer on youtube edited by Attorney General Barr. And speaking of "beating a brain dead horse": Trump is spouting nonsense at a greater rate.
Quote:You READ SECOND's posts!!??? I give you a lot of credit for being far more diligent than I!
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Yet another example of Sloppy Second-rate fabricating Fake Quotes.
The Troll quoted a non-troll in the post, so there might have been something germane in the quote, and the Fake Quote was only 2 lines below the real quote, and the similarity/dissimilarity jumped out at a glance.
Have you heard a rumor, or rummer, that the Mueller Witch-hunt Fishing Expedition is over?
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Quote:Fuuny how you keep on LYING, SLOPPYSECONDS.
Speaking of spouting nonsense, that's what you've been doing nonstop since you developed Trump Derangement Syndrome. Take, for exaple, your last post. The "Mueller investigation" that you call for is beyond Mueller's remit. So, no, Mueller CANNOT "look into Trump's head" because
1) Legally he's not empowered to do so, and
2) Professionally that would be beyond his expertise anyway, and Mueller's opinion would be irrelevant, at best. - SIGNY
Signym, you might recall that Trump said Mueller's investigation was illegal. He talked about firing Mueller. He actually did fire James Comey, who was doing a similar investigation to Mueller's, but Comey didn't have the protection of the Special Counsel law. Trump said thousands of times that Mueller was on a Witch Hunt. He said that the Democrats were unlawfully harassing him. Trump was angry to the point of firing his Attorney General Jeff Sessions for allowing this travesty of justice. Funny how Trump and Signym use the exact same arguments.
And so stupidly, too!
I mean, you "reply with quote" so everyone can actually read what I posted, and then - not eight lines later- you lie about what I posted.
Do you think everyone's brains are as scrambled as yours?
Did I post that Mueller's investigation was "illegal"?
Hmm ... nope!
You, of all people, shouldn't be throwing around insinuations of dementia or incomptetence or insanity. Your hate has driven you insane, to the point where you're unable to parse what is clearly in front of your face.
Get help, SECOND, before that terrible hatred and inescapable guilt causes you to do something truly illegal and stupid (worse than threatening to assassinate a President, that is.)
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Quote:Signym, you really need to bring proof in the same way that Trump needs to bring proof he is not a tax cheat by bringing forth his tax returns.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Get help, SECOND, before that terrible hatred and inescapable guilt causes you to do something truly illegal and stupid (worse than threatening to assassinate a President, that is.)
"Tax Fraud By The Numbers: The Trump Timeline"
www.ais-cpa.com/tax-fraud-by-the-numbers-the-trump-timeline/
But Trump says he won't and so Signym will say she won't prove anything, either.
Trump Lawyer Asserts President’s Right to Lie about Tax Returns
www.nytimes.com/2019/04/05/us/politics/trump-tax-returns.html
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Quote:It seems somewhat weird that we went from nonstop murders and assassinations by the Clintons, to runaway unrestricted crimes and Treason by Obama, as well as Hilliary - all of which most Americans are not familiar with - to now the greatest threat to America is ... Tax Returns from decades before a President was ever in any Public Office. None of the Clintons nor Obama ever had a real job, only positions of Corruption, and their increases to wealth were tenfold what their salaries were, but some fractions of a percent of income is what they want us to be concerned about. Complete lack of perspective and context.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Fuuny how you keep on LYING, SLOPPYSECONDS.
Speaking of spouting nonsense, that's what you've been doing nonstop since you developed Trump Derangement Syndrome. Take, for exaple, your last post. The "Mueller investigation" that you call for is beyond Mueller's remit. So, no, Mueller CANNOT "look into Trump's head" because
1) Legally he's not empowered to do so, and
2) Professionally that would be beyond his expertise anyway, and Mueller's opinion would be irrelevant, at best. - SIGNY
Signym, you might recall that Trump said Mueller's investigation was illegal. He talked about firing Mueller. He actually did fire James Comey, who was doing a similar investigation to Mueller's, but Comey didn't have the protection of the Special Counsel law. Trump said thousands of times that Mueller was on a Witch Hunt. He said that the Democrats were unlawfully harassing him. Trump was angry to the point of firing his Attorney General Jeff Sessions for allowing this travesty of justice. Funny how Trump and Signym use the exact same arguments.
And so stupidly, too!
I mean, you "reply with quote" so everyone can actually read what I posted, and then - not eight lines later- you lie about what I posted.
Do you think everyone's brains are as scrambled as yours?
Did I post that Mueller's investigation was "illegal"?
Hmm ... nope!
You, of all people, shouldn't be throwing around insinuations of dementia or incomptetence or insanity. Your hate has driven you insane, to the point where you're unable to parse what is clearly in front of your face.
Get help, SECOND, before that terrible hatred and inescapable guilt causes you to do something truly illegal and stupid (worse than threatening to assassinate a President, that is.)
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe you didn't read the thread title?
The Mueller investigation?
It's over.
Stop beating a dead horse.
Oh, and get the help you so obviously and desperately need.
Quote:
Originally posted by SLOPPY-SECONDS:
That's like saying the movie is over when all you've seen is 30 seconds from a trailer on youtube edited by Attorney General Barr. And speaking of "beating a brain dead horse": Trump is spouting nonsense at a greater rate.
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Yet another example of Sloppy Second-rate fabricating Fake Quotes.
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
You READ SECOND's posts!!??? I give you a lot of credit for being far more diligent than I!
Quote:I see your point! As for that rumor - or rummer - I've come across it from time to time - that the 'Mueller Witch-hunt Fishing Expedition' is indeed over!
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The Troll quoted a non-troll in the post, so there might have been something germane in the quote, and the Fake Quote was only 2 lines below the real quote, and the similarity/dissimilarity jumped out at a glance.
Have you heard a rumor, or rummer, that the Mueller Witch-hunt Fishing Expedition is over?
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Quote:Proof of WHAT? What "proof" are you demanding?
Signym, you really need to bring proof ...
That aliens visited Area 51?
That the sun will rise in the east tomorrow?
That I posted ... what I posted?
That you're a hate-filled nutcase?
A bottle of 120 proof cask-strength scotch?
Jimminy, SECOND, quit posting while you're ... well, not ahead, but at least try not to get any further back than you already are!
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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I believe that SECOND has so steeped himself in hate for so long that at this point, it's the only recognizable emotion he has left.
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Quote:Sol might rise in the East?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Proof of WHAT? What "proof" are you demanding?
Signym, you really need to bring proof ...
That aliens visited Area 51?
That the sun will rise in the east tomorrow?
That I posted ... what I posted?
That you're a hate-filled nutcase?
A bottle of 120 proof cask-strength scotch?
Jimminy, SECOND, quit posting while you're ... well, not ahead, but at least try not to get any further back than you already are!
Didn't you know that these Flat Earth Trolls aren't going to fall for that Fake News? And don't quote Zerohedge saying that theory.
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Quote:SECOND is steeped in guilt. He blames others for the way he is; if he didn't, he'd have to hate himself. Which he already does.
Originally posted by rue:
I believe that SECOND has so steeped himself in hate for so long that at this point, it's the only recognizable emotion he has left.
This is just speculation on my part, but this is SECOND's story, as I imagine it: SECOND was raised a Jehovah's Witness. They may be a cult, but one thing they have is a strong moral code. Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in war and they don't believe in our government.
So, how did SECOND wind up in Vietnam?
Somebody - Nixon, a Republican - broke SECOND's first religion and somehow convinced SECOND that Vietnam was an honorable endeavor. SECOND believed him, and that became his alternate religion. But Vietnam wasn't honorable, and SECOND's second, alternate religion also broke, leaving SECOND permanently angry at Republicans, who not only stole him from his childhood community but who also betrayed his trust and left him broken in body and spirit.
SECOND's third religion is greed. It is also not honorable, and SECOND is angry at everyone who allows him to be the way he is, and he conflates "those people" with Republicans.
SECOND can't allow himself to acknowledge who he is and what he's doing because his childhood religion still speaks to him. He can't forgive himself for having made mistakes, he can't admit that he was fooled, and he can't go back to his first religion most likely because he was shunned, but also because it demands that he give up what he has. So he's living in a no-man's land, and hating everyone else for why he wound up the way he did.
But then, I could be saying that 2+2=22, which means I could be overdrawing connections from minimal data.
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"and he can't go back to his first religion most likely because he was shunned" ... But also because he despises his family and everyone else of that religion. Those were his first hates. His second were republicans.
And now he spends his time here trying to prove that he's more special than everybody else. Because doesn't his money prove it?
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I don't recall SECOND posting hate-filled screeds against Jehovah's Witnesses, maybe I missed it. Because of that, I don't understand why he left in the first place (people should have knonw that Vietnam was a quagmire and that our intervnetion there was singularly purposeless) except maybe he was a rebellious teen and military service was a one-stop solution for leaving home, offering a job, a place to stay, and a "family" all at once - the perfect alternative for someone trying to leave an all=encompassing organization.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Quote:I'll give you some data: I'm the anti-hero in my story just as River Tam is the antihero of "Indistinguishable From Magic"
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND can't allow himself to acknowledge who he is and what he's doing because his childhood religion still speaks to him. He can't forgive himself for having made mistakes, he can't admit that he was fooled, and he can't go back to his first religion most likely because he was shunned, but also because it demands that he give up what he has. So he's living in a no-man's land, and hating everyone else for why he wound up the way he did.
But then, I could be saying that 2+2=22, which means I could be overdrawing connections from minimal data.
Read the story here www.fireflyfans.net/bluesun.aspx?bid=5185
or https://kieyra.livejournal.com/186086.html
I had intended to take that story, expand it into 6 stories, and make it a launching pad for what happens after the movie. The comics and novels written since the movie have the Firefly story going around in circles. I want the story to have a clear destination when it ends: Earth. They don't get there in 6 stories covering the 100 days after the movie, but River is on her way. Everything River does for the next ten years is to keep the crew alive and together until the starships launch. She and Kaylee have a big role in that multi-million person expedition to Earth. In contrast, everything Mal does is just one damn thing after another, with no thinking ahead, no higher goal, and no long term plans other than survival. River does not let Mal know about the trip to Earth, until they are all going, because he is a screw-up. Charming guy but still you don't want him to know your plans. He might kill the wrong person. I think of Trump as another giant screw-up, but he is not charming like Mal. See "Donald Trump Doesn’t Know How to Negotiate"
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/04/05/donald-trump-doesnt-know-how-
to-negotiate/
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Quote:I'm the antihero of my story. Being "good" is boring as hell, I have found. Worrying about hell is also boring. Looking back, it is laughable that I let spaghetti Westerns on TV and a character played by Clint Eastwood, the arch-Republican, inspire me. But the next 50 years show it was not silly. It was right for me. Please don't let your grandchildren watch Firefly. They might grow up to be Jayne or, slightly better in my case, Badger the firefly businessman.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I don't recall SECOND posting hate-filled screeds against Jehovah's Witnesses, maybe I missed it. Because of that, I don't understand why he left in the first place (people should have knonw that Vietnam was a quagmire and that our intervnetion there was singularly purposeless) except maybe he was a rebellious teen and military service was a one-stop solution for leaving home, offering a job, a place to stay, and a "family" all at once - the perfect alternative for someone trying to leave an all=encompassing organization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antihero
"I'm a businessman, yeah? Roots in the community. You're just a scavenger." - Badger, from Serenity.
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lol
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Clint Eastwood Assails Obama Through Empty Chair. I found Clint a fucking moron who does not understand how jobs are created. It is not the President. It is businessmen. And then there was Gitmo. That dumbass Clint misunderstood that Republicans in Congress stopped Obama from closing it, claiming the Gitmo prisoners will escape if brought to mainland prisons. And it goes on and on, Clint not understanding anything going on around him, but mimicking the GOP talking points perfectly, as a good actor can do.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
Do Right, Be Right. :)
It's amusing to me that I'm 100 times more the Clint Eastwood character than the "real" Clint is. And I didn't get multiple takes like Clint did to get the scene looking right. My life was the first take, then move on to the next scene, which I wrote because I'm the scriptwriter for my life. The majority of people, being pushed around by bosses and debts and their own fearfulness or drunkenness, can't truthfully say that. Those people vote for Trump, if they are white.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
It seems somewhat weird that we went from nonstop murders and assassinations by the Clintons, to runaway unrestricted crimes and Treason by Obama, as well as Hilliary - all of which most Americans are not familiar with - to now the greatest threat to America is ... Tax Returns from decades before a President was ever in any Public Office. None of the Clintons nor Obama ever had a real job, only positions of Corruption, and their increases to wealth were tenfold what their salaries were, but some fractions of a percent of income is what they want us to be concerned about. Complete lack of perspective and context.
It seems somewhat weird to me too that with so many years of Hillary and Obama bashing and 2 years of Trump Lucifer as president, and control of both houses, that no charges have been brought for any of the *crimes* that you site. Less strange that you have never offered up a single reason explaining any of that. Why not? Why have your beliefs never panned out when you make the accusations with such conviction as if there's no question n their truth? Why has the GOP never had a successful prosecution of a single charge they've made against any of them? The Dems are that much better, so much superior? Maybe they're all fictions? Or maybe God is on the side of the Dems?
Weird innit?
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Did Trump get his philosophy of revenge from Clint Eastwood?
Trump once told his biographer Tim O’Brien that Eastwood was 'the greatest movie star.' He even tried to mimic the actor’s trademark squint.
More than anyone else, it was Clint Eastwood who put the Code of the West to rest, in an unmarked grave on Boot Hill, by normalizing vigilante violence. Eastwood tells a story about director Don Siegel, who asked John Wayne to plug a man in the back in 1976’s “The Shootist.” Although he occasionally played avengers, Wayne was old-school, and he snapped: “I don’t shoot people in the back!” Siegel replied: “Clint Eastwood would.” He was right. Eastwood would, and he did.
When President Trump slimed Omarosa Manigault Newman by calling her a “dog,” and then stripped former CIA Director John Brennan of his security clearance, he evoked not only Nixon’s infamous “enemies list,” but a score of revenge heroes who have demanded a pound of flesh in movies and TV shows.
Like Eastwood’s characters, Trump does not hesitate to shoot enemies and former friends in the back. He’s done it to Stephen Bannon and Michael Cohen, not to mention American allies such as Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
More at www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-biskind-revenge-heroes-20180826-st
ory.html
When Trump threatens Hillary with jail, he is playing a role. He won't make it real. It is too much work for Trump.
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Well SECOND, that's the story that you tell yourself about your life. But your posts tell a different story. Your posts are defined by hate and lies. (As an aside, since you hate whites so much you're probably a "person of color"). You lie endlessly and you hate so much that your thoughts twist and turn and contradict themselves. That's why I said your head was full of snakes. You're obssessed with Trump, with whites, with Republicans, with TEXAS Republicans.
If you were truly comfortable with who you are, you wouldn't virtue signal so much. You would calmly take your tax refund and STFU without all of this craziness.
I've dealt with a person like you before, SECOND. A killer who couldn't admit to what they were doing, and why, which was why they spent all of their life virtue signalling and lying, endlessly lying.
Only changing the way you post will convince me that you've changed. Until then ... I'm going to keep you mostly on ignore.
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Quote:I will tell you a story about how Trump will never come to justice. A 2015 motorcycle gang firefight at a Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco Texas left nine dead and 20 wounded. Last week’s dismissal of misdemeanor riot charges against 24 remaining gang members marked the end of the massive criminal prosecution, without a single conviction. "Witch Hunt! Complete exoneration!" The only case to go to trial ended in a mistrial, and charges were dismissed. If these guys can get away with 9 murders in the daytime in front of hundreds of witnesses, I'm pretty sure Trump will get away. He might have a few years litigation, like the motorcycle gang, but nothing will come of it. This is American Justice in action.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well SECOND, that's the story that you tell yourself about your life. But your posts tell a different story. Your posts are defined by hate. (As an aside, since you hate whites so much you're probably a "person of color"). You lie endlessly and you hate so much that your thought processes twist and turn and bites themselves with sheer hatred. That's why I said your head was full of snakes. You're obssesed with Trump, with whites, with Republicans, with TEXAS Republicans.
If you were truly comfortable with who you are, you wouldn't virtue signal so much. You would calmly take your tax refund and STFU without all of this craziness.
I've dealt with a person like you before, SECOND. A killer who couldn't admit to what they were doing, and why, which was why they spent all of their life virtue signalling and lying, endlessly lying.
More at www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/An-emotion
al-release-Team-of-lawyers-cheer-13746016.php
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well SECOND, that's the story that you tell yourself about your life. But your posts tell a different story. Your posts are defined by hate and lies. (As an aside, since you hate whites so much you're probably a "person of color"). You lie endlessly and you hate so much that your thoughts twist and turn and contradict themselves. That's why I said your head was full of snakes. You're obssessed with Trump, with whites, with Republicans, with TEXAS Republicans.
If you were truly comfortable with who you are, you wouldn't virtue signal so much. You would calmly take your tax refund and STFU without all of this craziness.
I've dealt with a person like you before, SECOND. A killer who couldn't admit to what they were doing, and why, which was why they spent all of their life virtue signalling and lying, endlessly lying.
Only changing the way you post will convince me that you've changed. Until then ... I'm going to keep you mostly on ignore.
The stupid sh*t you post! You can always tell who gets your goat the most by who you are slimming the most. I give it 2 days before you are obsessing over second again.
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Quote:I could drive Signym insane by saying everything I write that is not backed by citation is false. Then Signym would attack me for misleading her. I'm not kidding about that case involving 9 murders being dropped. The American legal system absolutely cannot handle complexity and Trump's is as complex as it gets when the Attorney General works for the criminal Trump.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
The stupid sh*t you post! You can always tell who gets your goat the most by who you are slimming the most. I give it 2 days before you are obsessing over second again.
"A Texas-sized biker brawl left nine dead. Why were there no convictions?"
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/07/waco-texas-biker-brawl-no-conv
ictions
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Suspicion is high as Barr redacts Mueller report
https://www.philly.com/politics/nation/suspicion-is-high-barr-redacts-
mueller-report-20190407.html
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Quote:I've been doing SECOND the great favor of actually responding to his lies and idiocies, just as I'm doing you the favor of responding to yours.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well SECOND, that's the story that you tell yourself about your life. But your posts tell a different story. Your posts are defined by hate and lies. (As an aside, since you hate whites so much you're probably a "person of color"). You lie endlessly and you hate so much that your thoughts twist and turn and contradict themselves. That's why I said your head was full of snakes. You're obssessed with Trump, with whites, with Republicans, with TEXAS Republicans.
If you were truly comfortable with who you are, you wouldn't virtue signal so much. You would calmly take your tax refund and STFU without all of this craziness.
I've dealt with a person like you before, SECOND. A killer who couldn't admit to what they were doing, and why, which was why they spent all of their life virtue signalling and lying, endlessly lying.
Only changing the way you post will convince me that you've changed. Until then ... I'm going to keep you mostly on ignore.
The stupid sh*t you post! You can always tell who gets your goat the most by who you are slimming the most. I give it 2 days before you are obsessing over second again.
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Quote:slimming? You mean - 'putting on a diet?'
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
The stupid sh*t you post! You can always tell who gets your goat the most by who you are slimming the most. I give it 2 days before you are obsessing over second again.
SECOND would go batshit-crazy being ignored. Signy is doing a favor by responding, and not only responding but giving SECOND sound advice.
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Quote:You were not sane for quoting me in your signature for years, Signym.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I've been doing SECOND the great favor of actually responding to his lies and idiocies, just as I'm doing you the favor of responding to yours.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Quote:Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney said Sunday that Democrats will "never" see President Trump's tax returns. Only yesterday, Trump withheld his tax returns because they were under audit. The IRS called that bullshit. Now, a new reason. Trump and Mulvaney are making as clear as possible that those tax returns have tax cheating within. Mulvaney said that since the tax cheater was elected, tax cheating must be okay with the voters. Not a real strong argument for the legality of tax cheating, but Trump uses what he's got. "By electing Trump, the voters gave him the power to pardon himself, therefore nothing Trump does could be illegal." - Mulvaney, next month on TV.
Originally posted by rue:
SECOND would go batshit-crazy being ignored. Signy is doing a favor by responding, and not only responding but giving SECOND sound advice.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/437729-mulvaney-democrats-
will-never-see-trumps-tax-returns
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Quote:Four of the dead were killed by cops (from your link).
Originally posted by SECOND:
"A Texas-sized biker brawl left nine dead. Why were there no convictions?"
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/07/waco-texas-biker-brawl-no-conv
ictions
Texas doesn't require a permit, license, registration, or private sale background check for guns. It allows assault weapons, magazines, and unlimited magazine capacity. It has no restriction for either concealed or open long-gun carry. It's a stand your ground/ castle doctrine state.
Except for the person who fired the first shot, everyone else could have arguably been acting in self defense. And the person who fired the first shot could have been acting in a 'stand your ground' defense, because one person had their foot run over with a motorcycle.
There may have been no murder convictions because everyone was, arguably, within their legal rights.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Quote:You were being funny on purpose, right?
Originally posted by second:
You were not sane for quoting me in your signature for years, Signym.
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Quote:That would imply that the only dependable justice in America is from the barrel of a gun. The court system cannot do it for motorcycle gangs, the GOP, or Trump. Take note that the cops are not being charged with murder. The cops gave instant justice, like the comic book character Judge Dredd. Too bad Robert Mueller never heard of Dredd. We might not be talking about Trump's "Complete Exoneration", but about his funeral.
Originally posted by rue:Quote:Four of the dead were killed by cops (from your link).
Originally posted by SECOND:
"A Texas-sized biker brawl left nine dead. Why were there no convictions?"
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/07/waco-texas-biker-brawl-no-conv
ictions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dredd
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:That would imply that the only dependable justice in America is from the barrel of a gun. The court system cannot do it for motorcycle gangs, the GOP, or Trump. Take note that the cops are not being charged with murder. The cops gave instant justice, like the comic book character Judge Dredd. Too bad Robert Mueller never heard of Dredd. We might not be talking about Trump's "Complete Exoneration", but about his funeral.
Originally posted by rue:Quote:Four of the dead were killed by cops (from your link).
Originally posted by SECOND:
"A Texas-sized biker brawl left nine dead. Why were there no convictions?"
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/07/waco-texas-biker-brawl-no-conv
ictions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dredd
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Quote:I think Trump was being funny on purpose when he appointed Attorney General Barr:
Originally posted by rue:
You were being funny on purpose, right?
In June 2018, with Jeff Sessions's job already known to be imperiled, Barr sent an unsolicited legal memo to the Justice Department and White House strongly criticizing the Mueller investigation and its impingement on the president's prerogatives.
Then a Washington corporate attorney -- but without knowledge of the internal work of the Russia probe -- Barr declared that "Mueller's obstruction theory is fatally misconceived" and based on "a novel and legally unsupportable reading of the law." He was Mister No Collusion, Complete Exoneration Barr long before he was Attorney General.
The memo only came to light in December after Trump had sacked Sessions and chosen Barr to replace him. Trump is a really funny guy.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/us-attorney-general-pressed-for-eviden
ce-clearing-trump/ar-BBVGUBs
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Clint Eastwood Assails Obama Through Empty Chair. I found Clint a fucking moron who does not understand how jobs are created. It is not the President. It is businessmen. And then there was Gitmo. That dumbass Clint misunderstood that Republicans in Congress stopped Obama from closing it, claiming the Gitmo prisoners will escape if brought to mainland prisons. And it goes on and on, Clint not understanding anything going on around him, but mimicking the GOP talking points perfectly, as a good actor can do.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
Do Right, Be Right. :)
It's amusing to me that I'm 100 times more the Clint Eastwood character than the "real" Clint is. And I didn't get multiple takes like Clint did to get the scene looking right. My life was the first take, then move on to the next scene, which I wrote because I'm the scriptwriter for my life. The majority of people, being pushed around by bosses and debts and their own fearfulness or drunkenness, can't truthfully say that. Those people vote for Trump, if they are white.
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You are a ridiculous person, Badger.
I used to fancy myself as Snake Plisken, back in my drinking days. What's your excuse?
You are a meaningless speck of dust in the universe. Just like everybody else.
I recommend that you take a step back from your own delusions of yourself to sonder.
"You wouldn't worry so much about what others think of you if you realized how seldom they do" ~Eleanor Roosevelt
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Setting a low Barr:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You are a ridiculous person, Badger.
One thing we can infer from Barr's summary of the Mueller Report is that Trump is not provably a criminal. At least in this one specific instance.
What more can we even ask of a sitting President?
Full Transparency:
The Secret Mueller Report completely clears the President and utterly discredits his critics in the media and the Democratic Party. The same is true of the President's tax returns.
Also the Republican Party will fight tooth and nail to keep the Report and the tax returns from ever being released.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You are a ridiculous person, Badger.
Setting a low Barr:
I do agree.
Choosing Badger as your anti-hero avatar is a pretty low bar. Snake Plisken would kick Badgers ass.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Another 25 posts today?
When will the Mueller Investigation be over?
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It ain't over 'til the Fat Lady sings!
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Another 25 posts today?
When will the Mueller Investigation be over?
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Really!? Sound advice......the Usual Suspects sounding off in the echo chamber. That's sound advice?
Fuck Kiki....er, I mean rue....that's quite a teaspoonful.
SGG
Quote:slimming? You mean - 'putting on a diet?'
Originally posted by rue:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
The stupid sh*t you post! You can always tell who gets your goat the most by who you are slimming the most. I give it 2 days before you are obsessing over second again.
SECOND would go batshit-crazy being ignored. Signy is doing a favor by responding, and not only responding but giving SECOND sound advice.
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Quote:SHHHH!
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Another 25 posts today?
When will the Mueller Investigation be over?
It's a secret. It already is.
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After the report went to Barr, Mueller’s team outlined an extensive pattern of troubling behavior from Trump that raised obstruction concerns, but that Barr concluded there was no one incident that qualified as “slam dunk” obstruction of justice. And in fact, legal experts have disagreed on the strength of the publicly known evidence — some said the case was already damning, while others said it wasn’t quite there.
There could be other reasons for the disagreement between Barr and Mueller's team; for instance, Barr could be taking an extremely generous view of Trump’s intent. We won’t know for sure until Mueller’s fuller report is released.
But to understand the increasingly contentious debate over whether the president obstructed justice, it’s worth reviewing what we already know Mueller investigated. From that, it’s easy to see how some prosecutors may have concluded there was an extremely obvious pattern of obstruction of justice from Trump — while others may have thought there was no one example strong enough to justify a charge.
1) Trump’s interactions with James Comey regarding “loyalty,” Michael Flynn, and the Russia probe
In the months before Trump fired James Comey, the then-FBI director documented a series of interactions with the new president:
On February 14, 2017, the day after National Security Adviser Michael Flynn resigned, Comey attended a briefing at the White House. When it was over, Trump made clear he wanted everyone but Comey to leave. According to Comey’s memos, Trump said he wanted to “talk about Mike Flynn,” and said, “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go.” Comey interpreted Trump to be referring to an FBI investigation into whether Flynn made false statements about his contacts with the Russian ambassador.
On March 30, 2017, Trump called Comey. According to Comey’s memos, Trump complained about the FBI’s Russia investigation, calling it a cloud over his presidency, asking what could be done to lift the cloud.
On April 11, 2017, Trump called Comey. According to Comey’s memos, Trump complained about the Russia investigation and the “cloud” again.
These efforts from Trump to get the FBI director to drop the Flynn investigation are legally problematic.
More about Trump pressuring the FBI and the Justice Dept. to drop all cases and, when they didn't drop the cases, Trump pressuring witnesses at
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/8/18283999/mueller-report-obstr
uction-of-justice-barr
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lol
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Really!? Sound advice......the Usual Suspects sounding off in the echo chamber. That's sound advice?
Fuck Kiki....er, I mean rue....that's quite a teaspoonful.
SGGQuote:slimming? You mean - 'putting on a diet?'
Originally posted by rue:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
The stupid sh*t you post! You can always tell who gets your goat the most by who you are slimming the most. I give it 2 days before you are obsessing over second again.
SECOND would go batshit-crazy being ignored. Signy is doing a favor by responding, and not only responding but giving SECOND sound advice.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
After the report went to Barr, Mueller’s team outlined an extensive pattern of troubling behavior from Trump that raised obstruction concerns, but that Barr concluded there was no one incident that qualified as “slam dunk” obstruction of justice. And in fact, legal experts have disagreed on the strength of the publicly known evidence — some said the case was already damning, while others said it wasn’t quite there.
Barr testifying on DOJ budget, likely to get grilled about Mueller report
Attorney General William P. Barr is scheduled to testify Tuesday in the House and Wednesday in the Senate about the Justice Department’s budget, but the conversation is sure to turn to his handling of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s report.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/road-ahead-barr-testifying-on-
doj-budget-likely-to-get-grilled-about-mueller-report/ar-BBVIJYY?ocid=spartandhp
tick tock
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