Mueller Investigation Is Over / Part two are the trials. Hey Jack, I Was Right. 20 Plus Russians Charged, 19 Of Trumps People Convicted of Felonies.

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RUE

Tuesday, April 16, 2019 1:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Something irrelevant about grand juries, the usual personal insults, changing the topic, and moving the goal posts.

Is that about right?

And, what do you have to say about YOU declaring that Trump's actions re wall funding were illegal? Yanno, before that was even declared by a court. Didn't you skip the whole 'decided in a court' step?

THG

Tuesday, April 16, 2019 4:53 AM

Deutsche Bank, Trump

tick tock

T

SECOND

Tuesday, April 16, 2019 5:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Something irrelevant about grand juries, the usual personal insults, changing the topic, and moving the goal posts.
Is that about right?

And, what do you have to say about YOU declaring that Trump's actions re wall funding were illegal? Yanno, before that was even declared by a court. Didn't you skip the whole 'decided in a court' step?

Both Houses of Congress already told Trump that he was doing wrong. You don't have to wait a year for a court to rule one way, followed by another court to rule in the opposite direction, followed by the Supreme Court justices arguing about it in secret for 6 months then returning a 5 to 4 decision, where each justice tries to outdo the others for a place in history.

Why is anyone waiting for the Mueller Report? We are standing next to a burning building, waiting for Robert Mueller to let us know if he smells smoke. There is a persistent and perilous belief that whatever Mueller has unearthed is more relevant or compelling than what Donald Trump does openly every single day. The Mueller report, bowdlerized by Barr, distracts us from the reality in plain sight. The report isn't necessary to see Trump is unfit for office.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/mueller-report-isnt-necess
ary-to-see-trump-is-unfit.html

Nobody can make Trump do the job, no more than they can make Fatso lose weight.

RUE

Tuesday, April 16, 2019 6:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Something irrelevant about grand juries, the usual personal insults, changing the topic, and moving the goal posts.

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Is that about right?

And, what do you have to say about YOU declaring that Trump's actions re wall funding were illegal? Yanno, before that was even declared by a court. Didn't you skip the whole 'decided in a court' step?

Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Both Houses of Congress already told Trump that he was doing wrong.

So what?

Quote:
You don't have to wait a year for a court to rule one way, followed by another court to rule in the opposite direction, followed by the Supreme Court justices arguing about it in secret for 6 months then returning a 5 to 4 decision, where each justice tries to outdo the others for a place in history.

Oh, you mean there can be actual dispute over which parts of the various laws apply under what circumstances. in other words YOUR IGNORANT 'VERDICT' IS IN DOUBT?
Thanks for agreeing with me.

SECOND

Tuesday, April 16, 2019 6:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

Oh, you mean there can be actual dispute over which parts of the various laws apply under what circumstances. in other words YOUR IGNORANT 'VERDICT' IS IN DOUBT?
Thanks for agreeing with me.

I've made life and death decision, sometimes death, in minutes, without a worry or a year's argument between lawyers. None of those decisions have ever come back to bite me. Trump has done a few things that are easy to make a decision about:

Donald Trump has dangled pardons to obtain illegal outcomes, removed officials for their refusal to break the law, rewarded or pardoned others for breaking the law, threatened judges for legal conclusions they have made, violated campaign finance laws, violated tax laws, punished and threatened the free press, incited violence against Muslims, misused his charitable foundation, incited violence against political opponents, violated the Emoluments Clause, directed others to make illegal campaign payments, declined to seek redress for the brutal murder of a journalist by a foreign power, persistently lied about his conflicts of interest during the campaign and thereafter, used his twitter feed to incite retributive acts against critics … this list could go on and on. And on.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/mueller-report-isnt-necess
ary-to-see-trump-is-unfit.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Tuesday, April 16, 2019 7:59 AM

So, what you're saying SECOND is that it's OK for you to kill someone without any judicial process because you got away with it, but it's NOT OK for Trump to commit lesser "crimes" (assuming that he has in fact committed "crimes") and you will hound him forever over actions large and small because ....

You hold two very different standards, one which applies to you and one which applies to Trump?

Because you're a flaming hypocrite?

Because you depend on incessant virtue signaling to assuage your guilt?

*****

What am I to make of your post, SECOND, except that your brain is bent and you seem incapable of having even one straight thought?

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

RUE

Tuesday, April 16, 2019 10:27 AM

He doesn't harbor guilt he harbors hatreds, and as Jack also pointed out, his 'violent nature'. He's not trying to be nice, and his virtue signaling isn't a mask of goodness or morality or honor. SECOND has no need of those. And he certainly doesn't support democrats for the good he thinks they might do. After all, he supported Hillary.

Democrats, and the people and actions behind his endless anti-Trump postings, are just tools of hatred and rage and revenge. Trump is a hated republican. Trump has more stuff and more power than SECOND will ever have. And Trump is completely beyond SECOND's ability to touch.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, April 16, 2019 11:58 AM

30 posts today?

I should admit that you guys make an admirable effort at keeping track of and decyphering the incessant nonsense that second posts.

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, April 16, 2019 12:26 PM

Quote:
incessant nonsense(?)

Then why do you and your comrades care?

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
30 posts today?

I should admit that you guys make an admirable effort at keeping track of and decyphering the incessant nonsense that second posts.

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, April 16, 2019 12:34 PM

Yes, Barr's "color coded" variety pack. Ooo, how exciting!
Now we will really get to the truth (nudge, nudge - wink, wink!).

For those of you who are mentally acute and aware, the above is brought to you
by Monty Python's Flying Circus.

(and just in time for Holy Thursday)

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Mueller report’s release is expected Thursday, Justice Dept. says

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/mueller-reports
-release-is-expected-thursday-justice-dept-says/2019/04/15/dd44eb02-5f91-11e9-9412-daf3d2e67c6d_story.html

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Tuesday, April 16, 2019 5:24 PM

Barr’s Playbook: He Misled Congress When Omitting Parts of Justice Dep’t Memo in 1989

www.justsecurity.org/63635/barrs-playbook-he-misled-congress-when-omit
ting-parts-of-justice-dept-memo-in-1989/

On Friday the thirteenth October 1989, by happenstance the same day as the “Black Friday” market crash, news leaked of a legal memo authored by William Barr. He was then serving as head of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC). It is highly uncommon for any OLC memo to make headlines. This one did because it was issued in “unusual secrecy” and concluded that the FBI could forcibly abduct people in other countries without the consent of the foreign state. The headline also noted the implication of the legal opinion at that moment in time. It appeared to pave the way for abducting Panama’s leader, Gen. Manuel Noriega.

Members of Congress asked to see the full legal opinion. Barr refused, but said he would provide an account that “summarizes the principal conclusions.” Sound familiar? In March 2019, when Attorney General Barr was handed Robert Mueller’s final report, he wrote that he would “summarize the principal conclusions” of the special counsel’s report for the public.

When Barr withheld the full OLC opinion in 1989 and said to trust his summary of the principal conclusions, Yale law school professor Harold Koh wrote that Barr’s position was “particularly egregious.” Congress also had no appetite for Barr’s stance, and eventually issued a subpoena to successfully wrench the full OLC opinion out of the Department.

What’s different from that struggle and the current struggle over the Mueller report is that we know how the one in 1989 eventually turned out.

When the OLC opinion was finally made public long after Barr left office, it was clear that Barr’s summary had failed to fully disclose the opinion’s principal conclusions. It is better to think of Barr’s summary as a redacted version of the full OLC opinion. That’s because the “summary” took the form of 13 pages of written testimony. The document was replete with quotations from court cases, legal citations, and the language of the OLC opinion itself. Despite its highly detailed analysis, this 13-page version omitted some of the most consequential and incendiary conclusions from the actual opinion. And there was evidently no justifiable reason for having withheld those parts from Congress or the public.

More at www.justsecurity.org/63635/barrs-playbook-he-misled-congress-when-omit
ting-parts-of-justice-dept-memo-in-1989/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 16, 2019 8:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
30 posts today?

I should admit that you guys make an admirable effort at keeping track of and decyphering the incessant nonsense that second posts.

There's a theme.

It's not hard to decode.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Tuesday, April 16, 2019 8:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:

Deutsche Bank, Trump

tick tock

I wonder if Putin is still pleased with the results of his interfering with our elections as time goes on? As more and more about it is exposed.

Money laundering is a necessary element of his success. In maintaining the support of his cronies. Now it's all being exposed because of the Mueller and other investigations.

Remember, this is just the beginning. When Trump is gone the shit hits the fan as far as unintended consequence that will be suffered by Putin. With a new president the gloves come off.

T

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, April 17, 2019 2:00 AM

Showing the Fake Quote:

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

Here starts the sequence in the original quote:
Quote:

A Dummies' Guide To What Dems Will Say When Mueller Report Is Released
Here ends the sequence in the original quote.

Quote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-11/dummies-guide-what-dems-will
-say-when-mueller-report-released

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
A Dummies' Guide To What Reps Will Say Before the Mueller Report Is Released:

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

Here starts the sequence in the Fake Quote:
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A Dummies' Guide To What Dems Will Say When Mueller Report Is Released

Here ends the sequence in the Fake Quote.

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A Dummies' Guide To anti-US rhetoric:

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
https://www.zerohedge.com...

Is anybody else able to observe the manipulation?

SIGNYM

Wednesday, April 17, 2019 4:09 AM

Oh, GSTRING and SECOND and THUGR like to tell everyone what a poster "really" meant by misquoting it, taking it out of context, re-defining words, or just flat-out making shit up about what someone posted.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Wednesday, April 17, 2019 10:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, GSTRING and SECOND and THUGR like to tell everyone what a poster "really" meant by misquoting it, taking it out of context, re-defining words, or just flat-out making shit up about what someone posted.

Tell me your interpretation of this:

Ex-president dies after shooting himself to avoid arrest

Peru’s former president Alan Garcia died in a hospital in Lima on Wednesday after shooting himself as police arrived at his house to arrest him in connection with a bribery probe, authorities said on Wednesday.

Garcia, who had repeatedly denied wrongdoing, was 69.

www.foxnews.com/world/perus-ex-president-alan-garcia-shoots-himself-be
fore-arrest

I approve 100% of ex-Presidents being charged with crimes. There should not be immunity from prosecution. If the guilty ones kill themselves before being arrested, that is even better.

Anybody remember Trump and "Lock Her Up"? Ex-Presidential candidates should get the same as ex-Presidents.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, April 17, 2019 10:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Is anybody else able to observe the manipulation?

I can see your manipultion easily.

Here's a screencap JSF of my orignal post. My comments are clearly outside the quote boxes. Guess you were just being wrong again...?

REAVERFAN

Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:13 AM

Dems are spinning? Zero hedge?

1kiki, you have zero credibility.

Here's some spin.

If the Mueller report exonerates Trump, why write a ‘counter-report’?
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/if-the-mueller-report-exonerat
es-trump-why-write-counter-report

Great question.

SECOND

Thursday, April 18, 2019 6:05 AM

In my 25 years with the Justice Department, I appeared before a grand jury upward of 100 times. On almost every occasion, I conducted a detailed interview with the witness before he testified in the grand jury. During the pre–grand jury interview, the FBI, or DEA, or Secret Service case agent took notes that were later memorialized into a report.

I was not alone in the practice of interviewing witnesses before calling them to testify in the grand jury. It is the standard practice of federal prosecutors across the country. The only time a witness was not interviewed in advance was when the witness was hostile and refused to testify without a subpoena, and this was a rarity.

While much of the material from these interviews is the same as what is said before the grand jury, the grand jury secrecy rule only prevents grand jury testimony from being released. It does not act as a bar to the release of interview reports that hold the same information. And so, while grand jury testimony must not be publicly disclosed, the attorney general has the authority to disclose interviews of witnesses who appeared before the grand jury. This material could appear in the version of the Mueller report Barr is set to release on Thursday. But these reports will likely present damning evidence of campaign links to Russia and obstruction by Trump and members of his administration. If Barr’s past actions are any indicator, he will do all he can to prevent their release.

From all signs, much of Mueller’s full report, including the interviews, will be missing. As Congress tries to pry the full report loose from Barr, it must ensure that Barr’s public redactions do not include interviews of witnesses who appeared before the grand jury. Since any such redactions cannot be based on Barr’s claim of grand jury secrecy, their release is fair game.

It’s a sad time when Congress, the press, the courts, and the American people have to worry that the attorney general of the United States may bend the law in a way that works to the detriment of the country, in order to further the personal interests of the man who gave him a job.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/mueller-report-release-wil
liam-barr-justice-department-trump.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, April 18, 2019 6:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
In my 25 years with the Justice Department, I appeared before a grand jury upward of 100 times. On almost every occasion, I conducted a detailed interview with the witness before he testified in the grand jury. During the pre–grand jury interview, the FBI, or DEA, or Secret Service case agent took notes that were later memorialized into a report.

I was not alone in the practice of interviewing witnesses before calling them to testify in the grand jury. It is the standard practice of federal prosecutors across the country. The only time a witness was not interviewed in advance was when the witness was hostile and refused to testify without a subpoena, and this was a rarity.

While much of the material from these interviews is the same as what is said before the grand jury, the grand jury secrecy rule only prevents grand jury testimony from being released. It does not act as a bar to the release of interview reports that hold the same information. And so, while grand jury testimony must not be publicly disclosed, the attorney general has the authority to disclose interviews of witnesses who appeared before the grand jury. This material could appear in the version of the Mueller report Barr is set to release on Thursday. But these reports will likely present damning evidence of campaign links to Russia and obstruction by Trump and members of his administration. If Barr’s past actions are any indicator, he will do all he can to prevent their release.

From all signs, much of Mueller’s full report, including the interviews, will be missing. As Congress tries to pry the full report loose from Barr, it must ensure that Barr’s public redactions do not include interviews of witnesses who appeared before the grand jury. Since any such redactions cannot be based on Barr’s claim of grand jury secrecy, their release is fair game.

It’s a sad time when Congress, the press, the courts, and the American people have to worry that the attorney general of the United States may bend the law in a way that works to the detriment of the country, in order to further the personal interests of the man who gave him a job.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/mueller-report-release-wil
liam-barr-justice-department-trump.html

What was your position when you worked at Justice Department?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:01 PM

lol. Right?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. Right?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You didn't know Justice Department was neck deep in sheep herders, or whatever it is that second does? 25 years worth of whatever that was. Of course, maybe it is shoveling manure, which I would believe about Justice.

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, April 18, 2019 1:36 PM

You walked into that one Second. You knew that was coming.

These guys, the real brains of the Outfit, consider you part of the "Deep State" no matter what you did at DOJ. Although now it should be known as
DOT (really, CSOT). The "Deep"

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. Right?

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You didn't know Justice Department was neck deep in sheep herders, or whatever it is that second does? 25 years worth of whatever that was. Of course, maybe it is shoveling manure, which I would believe about Justice.

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, April 18, 2019 1:41 PM

The shame of it all is that there are "real" lifers in the department who abide by the Rule of Law. Of course, you're only as good as your Head Man (ha, head!).

While Mueller was in there, he kept his head down and did yeoman's work. But integrity is only as good as the person who honors it. This marine served with
Integrity. Something few folks here know little about.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
In my 25 years with the Justice Department, I appeared before a grand jury upward of 100 times. On almost every occasion, I conducted a detailed interview with the witness before he testified in the grand jury. During the pre–grand jury interview, the FBI, or DEA, or Secret Service case agent took notes that were later memorialized into a report.

I was not alone in the practice of interviewing witnesses before calling them to testify in the grand jury. It is the standard practice of federal prosecutors across the country. The only time a witness was not interviewed in advance was when the witness was hostile and refused to testify without a subpoena, and this was a rarity.

While much of the material from these interviews is the same as what is said before the grand jury, the grand jury secrecy rule only prevents grand jury testimony from being released. It does not act as a bar to the release of interview reports that hold the same information. And so, while grand jury testimony must not be publicly disclosed, the attorney general has the authority to disclose interviews of witnesses who appeared before the grand jury. This material could appear in the version of the Mueller report Barr is set to release on Thursday. But these reports will likely present damning evidence of campaign links to Russia and obstruction by Trump and members of his administration. If Barr’s past actions are any indicator, he will do all he can to prevent their release.

From all signs, much of Mueller’s full report, including the interviews, will be missing. As Congress tries to pry the full report loose from Barr, it must ensure that Barr’s public redactions do not include interviews of witnesses who appeared before the grand jury. Since any such redactions cannot be based on Barr’s claim of grand jury secrecy, their release is fair game.

It’s a sad time when Congress, the press, the courts, and the American people have to worry that the attorney general of the United States may bend the law in a way that works to the detriment of the country, in order to further the personal interests of the man who gave him a job.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/mueller-report-release-wil
liam-barr-justice-department-trump.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, April 18, 2019 2:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You walked into that one Second. You knew that was coming.

These guys, the real brains of the Outfit, consider you part of the "Deep State" no matter what you did at DOJ. Although now it should be known as
DOT (really, CSOT). The "Deep"

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. Right?

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You didn't know Justice Department was neck deep in sheep herders, or whatever it is that second does? 25 years worth of whatever that was. Of course, maybe it is shoveling manure, which I would believe about Justice.

Yet another Brainiac.

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, April 18, 2019 2:25 PM

Oh, there are a lot of questions this little fiasco brings about. I dare say that our little Mr. Barr will have quite a few to answer.

Why?

...a press conference BEFORE the release of the report?
...no Mueller or any of his team will be at the presser?
...did the president announce the press conference well ahead of you?
...not let the Mueller Report speak for itself?

Oh and what ever happened to Barr providing Congress a copy of the Mueller Report before further commenting on it's contents?

At 3:20 he states that - "...to release the report within a week, and I'm not going to say anything more about it, until the report is out and everyone has had a chance to look at it."

By the way, the comments on this video have been disabled on You Tube.

PBS NewsHour
Published on Apr 9, 2019
In a House subcommittee hearing, Attorney General William Barr declined to answer a question from Rep. Nita Lowey, D-N.Y., over whether the White House had seen special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia report before or after he released his summary of Mueller's findings.

"I said what I'm going say about the report today," he said. "I've already laid out the process that is going forward to release these reports hopefully within a week, and I'm not going to say anything more about it until the report is out and everyone has a chance to look at it."

The hearing is largely about the Justice Department's budget request, but that hasn't prevented lawmakers from asking questions about the Mueller report's public release, possible redactions and President Donald Trump's comments on its findings.

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SGG It's sad really!

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Dems are spinning? Zero hedge?

1kiki, you have zero credibility.

Here's some spin.

If the Mueller report exonerates Trump, why write a ‘counter-report’?
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/if-the-mueller-report-exonerat
es-trump-why-write-counter-report

Great question.

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, April 18, 2019 2:29 PM

Ha, ha funny coming from you.

Oh and Brainiac is mine. Go find your own insult....

SFB...........Bwah ha, ha, ha

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You walked into that one Second. You knew that was coming.

These guys, the real brains of the Outfit, consider you part of the "Deep State" no matter what you did at DOJ. Although now it should be known as
DOT (really, CSOT). The "Deep"

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. Right?

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You didn't know Justice Department was neck deep in sheep herders, or whatever it is that second does? 25 years worth of whatever that was. Of course, maybe it is shoveling manure, which I would believe about Justice.
Yet another Brainiac.

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, April 18, 2019 2:35 PM

It's obvious that Barr is a shill for the Repugnant Party. And here he is again, only this time he's sucking Trump's puny pee pee.

Keep sucking there Bill, you'll find it soon!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Barr’s Playbook: He Misled Congress When Omitting Parts of Justice Dep’t Memo in 1989

www.justsecurity.org/63635/barrs-playbook-he-misled-congress-when-omit
ting-parts-of-justice-dept-memo-in-1989/

On Friday the thirteenth October 1989, by happenstance the same day as the “Black Friday” market crash, news leaked of a legal memo authored by William Barr. He was then serving as head of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC). It is highly uncommon for any OLC memo to make headlines. This one did because it was issued in “unusual secrecy” and concluded that the FBI could forcibly abduct people in other countries without the consent of the foreign state. The headline also noted the implication of the legal opinion at that moment in time. It appeared to pave the way for abducting Panama’s leader, Gen. Manuel Noriega.

Members of Congress asked to see the full legal opinion. Barr refused, but said he would provide an account that “summarizes the principal conclusions.” Sound familiar? In March 2019, when Attorney General Barr was handed Robert Mueller’s final report, he wrote that he would “summarize the principal conclusions” of the special counsel’s report for the public.

When Barr withheld the full OLC opinion in 1989 and said to trust his summary of the principal conclusions, Yale law school professor Harold Koh wrote that Barr’s position was “particularly egregious.” Congress also had no appetite for Barr’s stance, and eventually issued a subpoena to successfully wrench the full OLC opinion out of the Department.

What’s different from that struggle and the current struggle over the Mueller report is that we know how the one in 1989 eventually turned out.

When the OLC opinion was finally made public long after Barr left office, it was clear that Barr’s summary had failed to fully disclose the opinion’s principal conclusions. It is better to think of Barr’s summary as a redacted version of the full OLC opinion. That’s because the “summary” took the form of 13 pages of written testimony. The document was replete with quotations from court cases, legal citations, and the language of the OLC opinion itself. Despite its highly detailed analysis, this 13-page version omitted some of the most consequential and incendiary conclusions from the actual opinion. And there was evidently no justifiable reason for having withheld those parts from Congress or the public.

More at www.justsecurity.org/63635/barrs-playbook-he-misled-congress-when-omit
ting-parts-of-justice-dept-memo-in-1989/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 18, 2019 5:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. Right?

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You didn't know Justice Department was neck deep in sheep herders, or whatever it is that second does? 25 years worth of whatever that was. Of course, maybe it is shoveling manure, which I would believe about Justice.

He bottled cow farts for the DOJ after Nam.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Thursday, April 18, 2019 5:50 PM

As a reminder that an Attorney General can also be a criminal: During Watergate, two attorneys general, John Mitchell and Richard Kleindienst, were convicted of crimes arising out of their relationship with Richard Nixon. Those three dragged our federal system of justice and its reputation for professionalism into the mud.

Neither Congress nor the public can trust that Attorney General William Barr has been objective and fair in what he has decided to make public of the report, nor can they believe that he can handle any further issues surrounding wrongdoing by President Trump with integrity.

After he releases his redacted version of the report from special counsel Robert Mueller on Thursday, he should resign.

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/439386-why-william-barr-should-r
esign

The alternative is to wait a few years for proof that Barr is a crook. He proved it 30 years ago, but Trump gave Barr another chance to be crooked: www.justsecurity.org/63635/barrs-playbook-he-misled-congress-when-omit
ting-parts-of-justice-dept-memo-in-1989/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Thursday, April 18, 2019 6:11 PM

Later today, William Barr, the US Attorney General, will release a redacted version of the Mueller Report. What will appear today is akin to a film adaption of a novel that no one but the director has read.

We’ve been down this road before. On 24 March, Barr released a “summary” of the Mueller Report which contained this dependent clause: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.” For all we know, the beginning of that sentence is the single word “although.” This did not stop the New York Times, the Washington Post, USA Today, and many other outlets from running with some variation of the misleading headline “Mueller finds no conspiracy” (Trump himself did one better, claiming “complete and total EXONERATION” on Twitter.)

Only later, when members of Mueller’s famously tight-lipped team leaked their displeasure to the press, did these members of the commentariat begin to walk back their initial assessment.

Barr’s March summary was a weapon used by Trump to gaslight the American people. There is no reason to expect today’s offering to be any different. Given that Mueller’s team reportedly prepared its own summary, intended for just this sort of general consumption, Barr’s second attempt will likely be as clumsy as the first, raising more questions than it answers.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-response-mueller-report-twitter-rus
sia-investigation-a8875341.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 18, 2019 6:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
As a reminder that an Attorney General can also be a criminal: During Watergate, two attorneys general, John Mitchell and Richard Kleindienst, were convicted of crimes arising out of their relationship with Richard Nixon. Those three dragged our federal system of justice and its reputation for professionalism into the mud.

Neither Congress nor the public can trust that Attorney General William Barr has been objective and fair in what he has decided to make public of the report, nor can they believe that he can handle any further issues surrounding wrongdoing by President Trump with integrity.

But I'm sure that if Trump was found guilty on all counts and AG Barr threw the book at him, everyone would be expected to trust his decision without any doubt whatsoever and we'd all be hearing about what a wonderful guy he was.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 18, 2019 6:37 PM

I remember when Mueller was a great guy.

I remember when Comey was a great guy.

But it turned out we were all suckered and they were no good dirty Russians all along.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Thursday, April 18, 2019 7:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

But I'm sure that if Trump was found guilty on all counts and AG Barr threw the book at him, everyone would be expected to trust his decision without any doubt whatsoever and we'd all be hearing about what a wonderful guy he was.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Barr, acting with his authority as Attorney General, can absolutely prevent a criminal from being prosecuted. But Barr cannot, acting all alone, get an innocent person sent to jail. Barr would need to convince a prosecutor, a judge, a jury, maybe an appellate court that the innocent person is guilty. But if Barr wants to keep Trump out of jail, Barr doesn't need anybody's help for as long as Barr is Attorney General. Trump knows this just as well as I do. That is why Trump hired Barr as soon as Barr made it well-known to Trump that Barr would never allow Trump to go to jail. The day Barr sent a memo saying he'd protect Trump is the same day Barr goes to lunch and starts talking about replacing Jeff Sessions as Trump's Attorney General.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/an-interesting-thing-happened-the
-same-day-william-barr-sent-a-memo-criticizing-muellers-obstruction-probe/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Thursday, April 18, 2019 11:29 PM

When Sessions told the President that a Special Counsel had been appointed, the President slumped back in his chair and said, "Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I'm fucked." (p. 290 of the PDF)
www.documentcloud.org/documents/5955210-Redacted-Mueller-Report.html

www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook-pm/2019/04/18/the-report-is-out-
trump-tried-to-remove-mueller-426190

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, April 19, 2019 3:02 AM

Quote:
While Mueller was in there, he kept his head down and did yeoman's work. But integrity is only as good as the person who honors it. This marine served with Integrity. Something few folks here know little about.

Hey Jack, I don't know your definition of honorable or integrity for that matter, but Mueller never once showed us his cards. One way or the other he
kept it close to the vest.

Funny thing, about two weeks ago all was good for the president when Barr
submitted his letter absolving Trump of any wrong doing. What happened!?

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I remember when Mueller was a great guy.

I remember when Comey was a great guy.

But it turned out we were all suckered and they were no good dirty Russians all along.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, April 19, 2019 3:09 AM

Barr, by his own words, has totally undermined his own reputation and integrity by holding that ridiculous press conference nearly two hours
before the release of the Mueller Report.

What a disgusting shill!

P.S. Where are our "droogies"?

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

But I'm sure that if Trump was found guilty on all counts and AG Barr threw the book at him, everyone would be expected to trust his decision without any doubt whatsoever and we'd all be hearing about what a wonderful guy he was.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Barr, acting with his authority as Attorney General, can absolutely prevent a criminal from being prosecuted. But Barr cannot, acting all alone, get an innocent person sent to jail. Barr would need to convince a prosecutor, a judge, a jury, maybe an appellate court that the innocent person is guilty. But if Barr wants to keep Trump out of jail, Barr doesn't need anybody's help for as long as Barr is Attorney General. Trump knows this just as well as I do. That is why Trump hired Barr as soon as Barr made it well-known to Trump that Barr would never allow Trump to go to jail. The day Barr sent a memo saying he'd protect Trump is the same day Barr goes to lunch and starts talking about replacing Jeff Sessions as Trump's Attorney General.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/an-interesting-thing-happened-the
-same-day-william-barr-sent-a-memo-criticizing-muellers-obstruction-probe/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 19, 2019 3:45 AM

Mueller showed us his cards many, many years ago, I'm afraid.

You just forgot about it.

I didn't.

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:
While Mueller was in there, he kept his head down and did yeoman's work. But integrity is only as good as the person who honors it. This marine served with Integrity. Something few folks here know little about.

Hey Jack, I don't know your definition of honorable or integrity for that matter, but Mueller never once showed us his cards. One way or the other he
kept it close to the vest.

Funny thing, about two weeks ago all was good for the president when Barr
submitted his letter absolving Trump of any wrong doing. What happened!?

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I remember when Mueller was a great guy.

I remember when Comey was a great guy.

But it turned out we were all suckered and they were no good dirty Russians all along.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

RUE

Friday, April 19, 2019 4:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
But I'm sure that if Trump was found guilty on all counts and AG Barr threw the book at him, everyone would be expected to trust his decision without any doubt whatsoever and we'd all be hearing about what a wonderful guy he was.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

No shit. But will that truth cause even a speed bump in their thinking? Even a half-second pause for self-reflection? snicker Not even.

RUE

Friday, April 19, 2019 4:34 AM

And now for the endless sieving for minutia out of context, the reading of information into redacted lines, the moving of goalposts, and all the usual ...

SECOND

Friday, April 19, 2019 6:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
And now for the endless sieving for minutia out of context, the reading of information into redacted lines, the moving of goalposts, and all the usual ...

Much like 1kiki/rue, the Donald Trump that readers encounter in the report takes great pains to avoid information that will cause him any emotional discomfort, even if he’ll eventually have to confront it when it blows up into a P.R. disaster.

Former White House communications director Hope Hicks told the special counsel that she tried to tell the president about emails documenting how Donald Trump Jr. organized the June 2016 meeting between Trump campaign officials and a Kremlin-linked lawyer at Trump Tower. Hicks suggested they release the emails to get ahead of the story. “The President said he did not want to know about it and they should not go to the press,” the Mueller report says. “Hicks warned the President that the emails were ‘really bad’ … but the President was insistent that he did not want to talk about it and said he did not want details.”

At another meeting, Hicks said, Jared Kushner tried to show Trump a folder of documents that Kushner was supposed to provide to congressional committees investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election. According to the report, the president “stopped Kushner and said he did not want to know about it, shutting the conversation down.”

Much like the hypersensitive 1kiki/rue, Trump’s seeming naïveté about the severity of “this Russia thing” and his confidence that any repercussions would be absorbed by his underlings isn’t merely evidence of his willful ignorance and stunted capacity for critical thinking. It’s the logical response of a man who has, for a lifetime, evaded consequences for his bad behavior (creating a scam university, doing sketchy tax stuff) and been rewarded with the presidency thanks to his worst tendencies (racist provocations, bragging about sexual assault).

More at "Trump’s Personality Is an Impeachable Offense"
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/mueller-report-donald-trum
p-egomaniac-bad-boss.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Friday, April 19, 2019 6:43 AM

The Mueller report indicates that the president only worried that any corroboration of Russia’s interference in the 2016 election would undermine the flattering connotations of his victory: that he won America’s popularity contest all on his own. “Several advisors” told the special counsel that Trump believed it would detract from his election triumph if people thought Russia had propped him on top of a few phone books to help him reach the dinner table.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RUE

Friday, April 19, 2019 6:46 AM

And now for the endless sieving for minutia out of context, the reading of information into redacted lines, the moving of goalposts, and all the usual ...

And they're off ..

... with SECOND jumping into the early lead.

SECOND

Friday, April 19, 2019 6:50 AM

In the please-like-me anecdotes, Trump comes off as deeply pathetic. He appears to be a socially inept child who lives in a fantasy world that revolves around his own ego, believes no rules apply to him, and is desperate to be loved. None of these observations are groundbreaking. But it’s still both troubling and satisfying to read these firsthand accounts of Trump’s failures as a president, boss, and human being in what was commissioned to be a dispassionate government report. It’s not just Trump’s political opponents who think he’s unqualified to lead a nation, a business, or a family. The people working hardest to protect him think so, too.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RUE

Friday, April 19, 2019 8:15 AM

With SECOND spinning madly off the collusion/ obstruction course he's still in the lead by 3 lengths!

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 19, 2019 9:51 AM

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, April 19, 2019 10:18 AM

According to Sessions’ recollection, Trump “slumped back in his chair” and said, “Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. I’m fucked.”

SGG

SECOND

Friday, April 19, 2019 10:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
With SECOND spinning madly off the collusion/ obstruction course he's still in the lead by 3 lengths!

1kiki, you goddamn moron, there is no crime called "collusion". Never was. And Trump can't be charged with obstruction by Mueller. It has to come from either the House of Representatives or Barr. We already know that Barr got the job by writing a memo saying Trump can't be charged with obstruction. 1kiki, do you realize you are a stupid fucking idiot to ignore Trump's tax returns? He has a long history of cheating. Being President didn't make him honest. And over the past three years Trump has lied over and over about how all of his tax returns for the last 20 years have been in audit continuously with the IRS. The IRS is NOT auditing simultaneously all 20 years of his returns.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html
www.ais-cpa.com/tax-fraud-by-the-numbers-the-trump-timeline/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 19, 2019 10:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
According to Sessions’ recollection, Trump “slumped back in his chair” and said, “Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. I’m fucked.”

SGG

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 19, 2019 10:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
1kiki, you goddamn moron, there is no crime called "collusion". Never was.

Then I guess you guys have just been completely full of shit the last 2 1/2 years then, huh?

What the shit. I'm speechless right now. Just... what the shit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, April 19, 2019 10:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
1kiki, you goddamn moron, there is no crime called "collusion". Never was.

Then I guess you guys have just been completely full of shit the last 2 1/2 years then, huh?

What the shit. I'm speechless right now. Just... what the shit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You are speechless because you are not very smart. Rudy Guiliani had been running his mouth for years that there is no crime called collusion. That word came out of the mouth of Manafort. The media picked it up and started using it almost exclusively. Pretty obviously, most journalists, Manafort, and Firefly Fans have a child's level of understanding the laws, government, finance, physics, just about everything.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 19, 2019 10:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
1kiki, you goddamn moron, there is no crime called "collusion". Never was.

Then I guess you guys have just been completely full of shit the last 2 1/2 years then, huh?

What the shit. I'm speechless right now. Just... what the shit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You are speechless because you are not very smart. Rudy Guiliani had been running his mouth for years that there is no crime called collusion. That word came out of the mouth of Manafort. The media picked it up and started using it almost exclusively. Pretty obviously, most journalists, Manafort, and Firefly Fans have a child's level of understanding the laws, government, finance, physics, just about everything.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Don't make me pull up all of the bullshit you and the other chucklefucks here have posted about collusion over the years, troglodyte.

Nobody's giving any of your insane backpedaling any more credence than any of the other stupid bullshit you post.

Have fun the next two to six years with your witch hunt for, whateverthefuck Maddow tells you is going to get Trump impeached. Maybe the next one won't be an imaginary dragon you all chase around like children.

Seen the videos of you all crying the night it was announced that Hillary lost and it appears as if 2 1/2 years later the tears are still flowing steadily.

Good thing all you crybabies don't live in Texas, or you'd be liable to make Houston flood again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, April 19, 2019 11:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Don't make me pull up all of the bullshit you and the other chucklefucks here have posted about collusion over the years, troglodyte.

Nobody's giving any of your insane backpedaling any more credence than any of the other stupid bullshit you post.

Have fun the next two to six years with your witch hunt for, whateverthefuck Maddow tells you is going to get Trump impeached. Maybe the next one won't be an imaginary dragon you all chase around like children.

Seen the videos of you all crying the night it was announced that Hillary lost and it appears as if 2 1/2 years later the tears are still flowing steadily.

Good thing all you crybabies don't live in Texas, or you'd be liable to make Houston flood again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The special counsel didn’t investigate “collusion” at all
https://qz.com/1598975/

Over the course of the investigation, Trump has tweeted 42 times that there was “no collusion” and is taking a victory lap today using the same phrase. But Trump's head is stuffed with straw.

The special counsel’s office didn’t look into collusion at all, the report states.

Instead, it “applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of ‘collusion.'” Collusion is not a word with “legal force,” the report states, meaning it does not constitute a federal crime. “While the investigation identified numerous links between individuals with ties to the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump campaign, the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges,” of conspiracy.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RUE

Friday, April 19, 2019 11:45 AM

... but after RF took the lead by one length, SECOND brought out the whip and leads by three ...

SECOND

Friday, April 19, 2019 5:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
... but after RF took the lead by one length, SECOND brought out the whip and leads by three ...

rue/1kiki, you are not trying hard enough. Where is your Russian troll twin? Signym? At least Signym gives long, multipart, replies that show effort. A pretty typical Signym response: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63028&mid=10745
96#1074596
From that response, Signym has been paying attention to "Putin Warns That Russia Is Developing 'Invincible' Hypersonic Missiles"
www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/world/europe/russia-hypersonic-missiles.htm
l

'Invincible' missiles are more useful militarily if kept a secret, but more useful for Putin being reelected if bragged about openly. If being used for bragging, the missiles never need to get beyond a working prototype for publicity, which is far cheaper than building a secret fleet of them for real. The Russian Buran is an example of something built for bragging, not for use.
www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a9763/did-the-soviets-actually-
build-a-better-space-shuttle-16176311/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 19, 2019 6:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Don't make me pull up all of the bullshit you and the other chucklefucks here have posted about collusion over the years, troglodyte.

Nobody's giving any of your insane backpedaling any more credence than any of the other stupid bullshit you post.

Have fun the next two to six years with your witch hunt for, whateverthefuck Maddow tells you is going to get Trump impeached. Maybe the next one won't be an imaginary dragon you all chase around like children.

Seen the videos of you all crying the night it was announced that Hillary lost and it appears as if 2 1/2 years later the tears are still flowing steadily.

Good thing all you crybabies don't live in Texas, or you'd be liable to make Houston flood again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
The special counsel didn’t investigate “collusion” at all
https://qz.com/1598975/

Over the course of the investigation, Trump has tweeted 42 times that there was “no collusion” and is taking a victory lap today using the same phrase. But Trump's head is stuffed with straw.

The special counsel’s office didn’t look into collusion at all, the report states.

Instead, it “applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of ‘collusion.'” Collusion is not a word with “legal force,” the report states, meaning it does not constitute a federal crime. “While the investigation identified numerous links between individuals with ties to the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump campaign, the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges,” of conspiracy.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

L

O

L

I see. We're going to argue semantics now after you retards threw around collusion like it was any of the other once powerful words that you've managed to render meaningless in just a few short years.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, April 19, 2019 6:05 PM

Mueller report lays out obstruction evidence against the president
www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Attorney-general-to-provide-over
view-of-Mueller-13777039.php

The report from special counsel Robert Mueller III lays out in alarming detail abundant evidence against President Donald Trump, finding 10 "episodes" of potential obstruction of justice but ultimately concluding it was not Mueller's role to determine whether the commander in chief broke the law.

Repeatedly, it appears Trump may have been saved from more serious legal jeopardy because his own staffers refused to carry out orders they thought were problematic or potentially illegal.

The special counsel's report on possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russians to interfere in the 2016 election is extremely detailed with only modest redactions - painting a starkly different picture for Trump than Attorney General William Barr has offered, and revealing new details about interactions between Russians and Trump associates.

Mueller's team wrote that though their investigation "did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities," that assertion was informed by the fact that coordination requires more than two parties "taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other's actions or interests."

Mueller made it clear: Russia wanted to help the Trump campaign, and the Trump campaign was willing to take it.

Mueller's report suggests his obstruction of justice investigation was heavily informed by an opinion from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) that says a sitting president cannot be indicted - a conclusion Mueller's team accepted.

That decision, though, seemed to leave investigators in a strange spot. Mueller's team wrote that they "determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes." They seemed to shy from producing even an internal document that alleged the president had done something wrong - deciding, essentially, that they wouldn't decide.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RUE

Friday, April 19, 2019 7:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
... but after RF took the lead by one length, SECOND brought out the whip and leads by three ...
rue/1kiki, you are not trying hard enough. Where is your Russian troll twin? Signym? At least Signym gives long, multipart, replies that show effort. A pretty typical Signym response: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63028&mid=10745
96#1074596
From that response, Signym has been paying attention to "Putin Warns That Russia Is Developing 'Invincible' Hypersonic Missiles"
www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/world/europe/russia-hypersonic-missiles.htm
l

'Invincible' missiles are more useful militarily if kept a secret, but more useful for Putin being reelected if bragged about openly. If being used for bragging, the missiles never need to get beyond a working prototype for publicity, which is far cheaper than building a secret fleet of them for real. The Russian Buran is an example of something built for bragging, not for use.
www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a9763/did-the-soviets-actually-
build-a-better-space-shuttle-16176311/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RUE

Friday, April 19, 2019 7:02 PM

... SECOND pulls ahead by two more lengths ...

REAVERFAN

Friday, April 19, 2019 7:25 PM

Mueller Hints at a National-Security Nightmare: The missing piece of the report is a counterintelligence investigation that should set off alarm bells about our democracy and security.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/opinion/mueller-report-trump-counte
rintelligence.html

Those incidents raise the possibility that Mr. Trump has wittingly sought to advance Russian interests, but the evidence is merely circumstantial and consequently suggests low to moderate confidence in that assessment. In many but not all respects, witting assets can be more dangerous because they have deliberately entered into some sort of understanding or agreement to work on behalf of the foreign power’s interests.

But unwitting assets pose their own dangers. They have significant vulnerabilities that can be exploited with minimal actual coordination. In other words, they look and act more like puppets.

REAVERFAN

Friday, April 19, 2019 7:28 PM

QAnon Believers Crushed After Mueller Report Fails to Lead to Hillary Clinton’s Arrest
QAnon fans thought special counsel would take down the Democrats. Instead, Sebastian Gorka made fun of them.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/qanon-believers-crushed-after-mueller-re
port-fails-to-lead-to-hillary-clintons-arrest?source=twitter&via=desktop

REAVERFAN

Friday, April 19, 2019 7:38 PM

Mueller identified 'dozens' of US rallies organized by Russian troll farm
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/439532-mueller-identified-dozens
-of-us-rallies-organized-by-russian-troll-farm

Trump campaign officials, including senior adviser Kellyanne Conway and Donald Trump Jr., cited and retweeted content from the troll farm about topics including voter fraud and Clinton's handling of classified information, according to Mueller.
Mueller's team found that Trump campaign affiliates promoted "dozens" of tweets, posts and other political content created by the IRA.

NBC News previously reported that Trump campaign associates amplified and reposted the IRA's messages.

Donald Trump Jr. in 2016 retweeted a post from @Pamela_Moore13, an IRA-controlled Twitter account, and in 2017, Trump from his personal Twitter account responded to a tweet from IRA-affilaited @10_GOP.

"IRA employees monitored the reaction of the Trump campaign and, later, Trump administration officials to their tweets," Mueller's report reads.

Mueller's investigation concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election to boost Trump through a social media campaign coordinated by the IRA.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 19, 2019 8:34 PM

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Friday, April 19, 2019 8:49 PM

Trump denounces Mueller report as ‘total bullsh*t’ — after insisting he was exonerated
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/04/trump-denounces-mueller-report-total-
bullsht-insisting-exonerated/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=97&recip_id=28351&list_id=1

So what is it? Total bullshit, or total exoneration? Make up your mind.

Do you love Wikileaks, or do you know nothing about Wikileaks? Make up your mind.

REAVERFAN

Friday, April 19, 2019 9:23 PM

REAVERFAN

Friday, April 19, 2019 9:25 PM

Sarah Sanders must go: After Mueller, White House press secretary is toast
White House press secretary admits lying to cover for the boss. No real journalist should take her seriously
https://www.salon.com/2019/04/19/sarah-sanders-must-go-after-mueller-w
hite-house-press-secretary-is-toast/

REAVERFAN

Friday, April 19, 2019 10:13 PM

MUELLER CONFIRMS: DON JR. WAS TOO STUPID TO COLLUDE
The special counsel couldn’t prove Junior knew he might be committing crimes.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/mueller-report-confirms-don-jr
-too-stupid-to-collude-with-russia?utm_medium=social&mbid=social_twitter&utm_source=twitter&utm_social-type=owned&utm_brand=vf&verso=true

REAVERFAN

Saturday, April 20, 2019 12:34 AM

"Because There Was So Much Obstruction, It’s Impossible for Us to Know Whether There Was a Conspiracy”
Even the redacted Mueller report contains new information about Russian interference in the election.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/mueller-report-obstruction
-conspiracy-russia-transcript.html

THG

Sunday, April 21, 2019 6:28 PM

Mueller Report

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/read-text-full-mueller-
report-n994551

T

THG

Sunday, April 21, 2019 6:41 PM

T

REAVERFAN

Monday, April 22, 2019 6:01 PM

Mueller's team was reportedly stumped by all the shifty, unreliable people in Trump's orbit or employ
https://theweek.com/speedreads/836501/muellers-team-reportedly-stumped
-by-all-shifty-unreliable-people-trumps-orbit-employ

"Fill the swamp!"

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 22, 2019 9:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Mueller Report

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/read-text-full-mueller-
report-n994551

T

I was going to ask when we were going to get the sequel to Volume I, but it was packaged together like my recent DVD Ghostbusters boxed set acquisition.

Conveniently, Episode II starts on page 200.

I, for one, am not going to sit here and lie to anybody here about reading it. Weighing in somewhere in the ballpark of 450 pages of legalese, I'm not going to believe anybody here who says that they have read it either.

From some casual perusal of Act I, it seems to be either a baseless campaign of Red Baiting (Which could be the case, and anybody who remembers how Mueller lied to get us into war previously would second that), or what we have here is a step-by-step "How Not To Do Things" document that quite a few higher ups in Russia have no doubt already been pouring over in preparation for their next illegal campaign if it actually is true.

This particular PDF, at least with the software I have on this computer, is not a searchable document. I remember hearing somebody write that they had a searchable document in their possession, and/or they had software that would allow you to search this PDF. I usually have no trouble searching a PDF through Firefox without the need for any extensions or outside programs, which leads me to believe that this is a problem with this particular document itself.

Would be much obliged to anyone for pointing us in the direction of a searchable document, or short of that, uploading it somewhere and posting the link for download.

The only way that this document is really going to be of any use to anybody who is not a "Journalist" or a Russian operative, either which are being paid to slog through this, is if we can have a searchable document.

Thanks in advance.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Monday, April 22, 2019 11:39 PM

Mueller report: Russia hacked state databases and voting machine companies
Russian intelligence officers injected malicious SQL code and then ran commands to extract information
https://www.rollcall.com/news/whitehouse/barrs-conclusion-no-obstructi
on-gets-new-scrutiny

RUE

Monday, April 22, 2019 11:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Would be much obliged to anyone for pointing us in the direction of a searchable document, or short of that, uploading it somewhere and posting the link for download.

The only way that this document is really going to be of any use to anybody who is not a "Journalist" or a Russian operative, either which are being paid to slog through this, is if we can have a searchable document.

Thanks in advance.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Jack -- This may not be the same file that I found but here's how I got this one -
go to this document cloud link
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5955210-Redacted-Mueller-Repor
t.html

on the right should be a panel with a link to the original pdf
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5955210/Redacted-Mueller-Re
port.pdf

download the file - do not print or 'print to file'

It looks to be searchable and easy to copy/paste in its downloaded form.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 24, 2019 6:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Would be much obliged to anyone for pointing us in the direction of a searchable document, or short of that, uploading it somewhere and posting the link for download.

The only way that this document is really going to be of any use to anybody who is not a "Journalist" or a Russian operative, either which are being paid to slog through this, is if we can have a searchable document.

Thanks in advance.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Jack -- This may not be the same file that I found but here's how I got this one -
go to this document cloud link
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5955210-Redacted-Mueller-Repor
t.html

on the right should be a panel with a link to the original pdf
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5955210/Redacted-Mueller-Re
port.pdf

download the file - do not print or 'print to file'

It looks to be searchable and easy to copy/paste in its downloaded form.

Thanks. That one works right in the Firefox browser.

Strange, that the CNN linked version doesn't. Both are 448 pages long. I wonder what their reasoning is behind posting a version that is not searchable.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, April 24, 2019 6:44 AM

Twitter shuts down 5,000 pro-Trump bots retweeting anti-Mueller report invective
Bots were tied to account formerly used for pro-Saudi messaging.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/04/twitter-shuts-d
own-network-of-5000-possibly-saudi-pro-trump-bots/

In a phone conversation with Ars, Watts said that the effort was "really rough" and focused mostly on raising the visibility on Twitter of hashtags such as #RussiaGate—hashtags used by Sean Hannity and other Trump supporters in posts supporting the President and dismissing the Mueller report's findings. Watts said that the messages were clearly targeted at a US audience.

One of the tweets distributed by the bot network read, "The people screaming about Trump working for Russia are the same people demanding social media censor 'misinformation', Stop listening to these people."

REAVERFAN

Friday, April 26, 2019 12:45 AM

Today's Presidential Tweets Show Trump Is Desperate to Stop Someone Special From Testifying
Former White House Counsel Don McGahn's story, told under oath for The Mueller Report, is a damning picture of the president abusing his power.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27268904/donald-trump-don-mcgah
n-testify-congress-obstruction-robert-mueller/

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 26, 2019 6:30 AM

Jack Holmes, huh.

Looks like he's about 12 years old.

Writing credits: As seen in: Esquire, HuffPost, The Daily Beast, Cosmopolitan, ELLE, Yahoo, Marie Claire, Vulture, Harper's Bazaar, Delish.com, ELLE (UK) and more

No linkedin profile or wikipedia page. No mention even of which college he got his liberal brainwashing from.

I can't wait until Generation Zed comes up and kicks all these millenial soy boy asses.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, April 26, 2019 7:48 PM

Trump’s 50 Tweets in 24 Hours Are a Frightening Window Into the Presidential Mind

Fox News is playing on loop in the background, reassuring him that all his critics are lying enemies of the state. What could go wrong?

"The Wall is being rapidly built!" our fearless leader declared. "The Economy is GREAT! Our Country is Respected again!"

The Wall has become a quantum object: it is both Being Built and in desperate need of funding to be built — so much so that the president declared a phony national emergency to seize the money from Congress in a direct assault on the Constitution's separation of powers. And the nation's Respect-o-Meter is certainly not moving in a positive direction.

It would be a bit more reassuring if it were not merely the latest of more than fifty tweets the world's most powerful man has fired off to reinforce the very important thing to remember, which is that The President Has Been Very Badly Mistreated!

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Friday, April 26, 2019 8:07 PM

Rosenstein defends Russia investigation, takes shots at Obama administration

Rod Rosenstein chastised “critical decisions” he said had been made about the investigation before he arrived by the Obama administration and then-FBI director James Comey, including not divulging more about Russia’s meddling. He compared the atmosphere of his time as DOJ’s No. 2 to a parable about a man who laid down on a burning bed.

“The previous administration chose not to publicize the full story about Russian computer hackers and social media trolls, and how they relate to a broader strategy to undermine America,” he said.

www.politico.com/story/2019/04/26/rosenstein-russia-investigation-1290
412

A tabloid newspaper carried the story, stating simply that a small-town emergency squad was summoned to a house where smoke was pouring from an upstairs window. The crew broke in and found a man in a smoldering bed. After the man was rescued and the mattress doused, the obvious question was asked: “How did this happen?”

“I don’t know. It was on fire when I lay down on it.”

www.amazon.com/Was-Fire-When-Lay-Down/dp/0804105820

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Saturday, April 27, 2019 7:30 PM

The growing partnership between Russia's government and cybercriminals

The release of special counsel Robert Mueller's report did nothing to lessen the country's partisan divide. However, U.S.intelligence officials agree that Russia's cyber espionage efforts constitute one of the greatest threats to the nation. Trump does NOT agree.

www.cbsnews.com/news/evgeniy-mikhailovich-bogachev-the-growing-partner
ship-between-russia-government-and-cybercriminals-60-minutes/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, April 28, 2019 2:30 AM

The latest I heard was that WAPO discovered that Russian hackers infiltrated a Florida voting district. Only thing, they don't know which one. The details I heard were sketchy at best, but I'll try to found out more and pass it on.

At least I can speak to those here with a modicum of intelligence, and not these half-assed, supposed "intelligent" Putin ass-kissers who cite ZeroHedge.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The growing partnership between Russia's government and cybercriminals

The release of special counsel Robert Mueller's report did nothing to lessen the country's partisan divide. However, U.S.intelligence officials agree that Russia's cyber espionage efforts constitute one of the greatest threats to the nation. Trump does NOT agree.

www.cbsnews.com/news/evgeniy-mikhailovich-bogachev-the-growing-partner
ship-between-russia-government-and-cybercriminals-60-minutes/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, April 28, 2019 2:43 AM

I found this online:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/08/17/has-russia-hacked-in
to-floridas-election-system-theres-no-evidence/?utm_term=.fe04a70b680a

But, apparently, despite the fact that this is an old story (from August 2018), it seems that "we" cannot relax. Russia is still up to it's old tricks.

This is Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.)

Quote:
Nelson: “Right now. Senator Rubio and I have written a letter together to all 67 of the county supervisors of election. He is a member of the Intelligence Committee; I am the ranking member of the Cyber subcommittee of the Senate Armed Services Committee. We were requested by the chairman and vice chairman of the Intelligence Committee to let the supervisors of election in Florida know that the Russians are in their records. … Two senators — bipartisan — reached out to the election apparatus in Florida to let them know that the Russians are in the records, and all they have to do, if those election records are not protected, is to go in and start eliminating registered voters.”

further down in the article:

Quote:
“And you can imagine the chaos that would occur on Election Day when the voters get to the polls and they say, ‘I’m sorry, Mr. Smith. I’m sorry, Mr. Jones. You’re not registered.’ ‘Well, here’s my registration card.’ ‘Well, I’m sorry, you’re not in the registration records.’ Well, you can imagine. That’s exactly what the Russians want to do. They want to sow chaos in our democratic institutions. Every intelligence agency in the United States government has said that they are going to try to disrupt the 2018 elections, just like they did in 2016.”

We want to be clear here: This fact check is not about the U.S. intelligence community’s assessment and the bipartisan consensus that Russia plans to interfere in the 2018 elections, as it did in 2016. It is about Nelson’s specific claim that Russia has access to voter rolls in Florida.

SGG

SECOND

Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:56 PM

Trump is a big fan of Fox News and often praises the network’s journalists and commentators. But Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano has recently spoken up quite a bit against Trump, particularly after the release of special counsel Robert Mueller’s redacted report. “I am disappointed in the behavior of the president,” Napolitano said earlier this week. “If he had ordered his aides to violate federal law to save a human life or to preserve human freedom, he would at least have a moral defense to his behavior,” he added. “But ordering them to break federal law to save him from the consequences of his own behavior, that is immoral, that is criminal, that is defenseless, that is condemnable.” He also published a scathing op-ed earlier this week that said Mueller “laid out at least a half-dozen crimes of obstruction committed by Trump.”

What is Trump going to do to Napolitano? Lie about him, laughing that nobody can verify Trump’s stories without Trump's help, so the news has to, absolutely, accept Trump's lies as truth:

President Donald Trump slammed Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano on Saturday night, accusing the former judge of getting angry when the commander in chief refused to nominate him to the Supreme Court. Trump also claimed that he rejected a request to pardon one of Napolitano’s friends.

In a pair of tweets after his campaign rally in Wisconsin, Trump said that Napoitano had become “very hostile” toward his administration after he rejected his requests. “Ever since Andrew came to my office to ask that I appoint him to the U.S. Supreme Court, and I said NO, he has been very hostile! Also asked for pardon for his friend. A good ‘pal’ of low ratings Shepard Smith,” the president said, referring to another member of Fox News who has been more critical of Trump.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/trump-judge-andrew-napolit
ano-supreme-court-pardon.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 28, 2019 10:11 PM

apparently "S""G""G", you missed the important part of the headline which says "There is no evidence". Instead, you dig down deep into the article which quotes two idiots (Nelson, Rubio) and their idiot opinions, deomonstrating once again that you can't tell the difference between evidence and accusation.

This is very much like the presumed "hack" of the DNC server. How do we "know" that it was "hacked"? Because Crowdstrike* told us so!

Not only is there NO EVIDENCE that the ANY of the computers were "hacked" by ... anyone ... there is possible evidence that the DNC files were in fact copied onsite by someone with "legitimate access".

Now, what kind of "evidence" would be available?

1) Computer logfiles, which show which ports are accessed, and when. Even if the relevant logfiles were erased, they would leave a blank spot in the record. And in the case of the DNC compuer "hack", if someone were expert enough and had access enough (root access) to do that, they wouldn't be stupid enough to embed Russian-looking change codes in the document stylesheets themselves.

If no files were transmitted to or from a Florida computer in question, the tipoff about this supposed "hack" would be in the logfiles, which are obtained by someone with root access querying the computer directly.

2) NSA interception. The NSA surveils packets that cross our national boundaries; for all I know this surveillance is universal. The files would be transmitted in "packets" and each "packet" has a header which lists the source and destination addresses of the "packet". Each file requires many "packets" and there were many files; I haven't calculated how many "packets" that would require but it would be in the tens of thousands ... this would not have been a small transmission ... and all the NSA wouldhave to do is capture ONE. Which they never did.

Do you really think that anyone could make the claim that the Russians had "hacked" "a" system in Florida and NOT KNOW WHICH ONE? Because you would have either had to have a logfile or a transmission, both of which would mean the computer in question would be known.

I REALLY THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ALL CONCERNED, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR YOU, GSTRING, SEONDRATE, THGR, TWITCHY, AND REAVERBOT, TO THINK ABOUT THE NATURE OF "EVIDENCE"

*A private computer security firm employed by the DNC, which refused to turn over the computer to the FBI for independent examination!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Sunday, April 28, 2019 11:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

This is very much like the presumed "hack" of the DNC server. How do we "know" that it was "hacked"? Because Crowdstrike* told us so!

Not only is there NO EVIDENCE that the ANY of the computers were "hacked" by ... anyone ... there is possible evidence that the DNC files were in fact copied onsite by someone with "legitimate access".

Trump welcomed Russian help in 2016 and he wants more in 2020. Despite what a Russian troll might say, Mueller made it very clear Trump received help.

www.lawfareblog.com/russia-indictment-20-what-make-muellers-hacking-in
dictment

The 12 Russian names from Mueller’s indictment

1) Viktor Borisovich Netyksho,
2) Boris Alekseyevich Antonov,
3) Dmitriy Sergeyevich Badin,
4) Ivan Sergeyevich Yermakov,
5) Aleksey Viktorovich Lukashev,
6) Sergey Aleksandrovich Morgachev,
7) Nikolay Yuryevich Kozachek,
8) Pavel Vyacheslavovich Yershov,
9) Artem Andreyevich Malyshev,
10) Aleksandr Vladimirovich Osadchuk,
11) Aleksey Aleksandrovich Potemkin, and
12) Anatoliy Sergeyevich Kovalev

2. Defendants were GRU officers who knowingly and intentionally conspired with each other, and with persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury (collectively the “Conspirators”), to gain unauthorized access (to “hack”) into the computers of U.S. persons and entities involved in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, steal documents from these computers, and stage releases of the stolen documents to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

3. Starting in at least March 2016, the Conspirators used a variety of means to hack the email accounts of Volunteers and employees of the U.S. presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton (the “Clinton Campaign”), including the email account of the Clinton Campaign’s chairman.

4. By in or around April 2016, the Conspirators also hacked into the computer networks of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Democratic National Committee. The Conspirators covertly monitored the computers of dozens of and DNC employees, implanted hundreds of files containing malicious computer code (“malware”), and stole emails and other documents from the DCCC and DNC.

More at www.lawfareblog.com/russia-indictment-20-what-make-muellers-hacking-in
dictment

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 28, 2019 11:33 PM

Those named Russians were placed on a list based on a "hack" which has not yet been demonstrated. You can repeat the list of names over and over again, but it does not add to the weight of evidence, they are merely additional details on an as yet unproven accusation. All it would require to create this list is to go to the GRU org chart and start checking off names, no evidence is required for their inclusion.

Go back to the original evidence of the "hack", SECONDRATE. Since the DNC refused the FBI access to their computer we don't have direct, unconflicted evidence of this so-called "hack" ... there are no independently-verified log files that I know of, no NSA-intercepted transmissions (not even one packet out of tens of thousands).. and of course the named GRU officers will never appear in USA court, so the indictment will never be tested.

What there is are statements by both Craig Murray and Julian Assange that the source was not a Russian, that the source is personally known to them, that the file transfer rates and "last modified" timestamp and file format all typical of local copy to a USB stick, plus some hinky file modifications in Guccifer2.0' files (which btw do not appear in Assange's) which some say are deliberately embedded to create the appearance of having been modified in a Russian-language word editor. (Why anyone would edit these files is beyond me, apparently the edits were random and purposeless.)

It is a common trick of propagandists, liars, and prosecutors to make their allegations so heinous and/or so detailed that they evoke feelings of outrage and/or trust, but these are not EVIDENCE.

If you have any EVIDENCE ... you DO know what evidence is, do you not? ... please bring it forward for discussion, and stop harping on details of the allegation which so far appear to be groundless.

Oh, BTW... Trump was JOKING. Even I, humorless as I am, recognized snark when I heard it. Jeez, you're fucking clueless.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Sunday, April 28, 2019 11:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Those named Russians were placed on a list based on a "hack" which has not yet been demonstrated.

Rosenstein informed the president, and the world, before Trump talks to Putin one-on-one that his own Justice Department is prepared to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, in public, using admissible evidence, that the president of the Russian Federation has been lying to Trump about Russian non-involvement in the 2016 election hacking.
www.lawfareblog.com/russia-indictment-20-what-make-muellers-hacking-in
dictment

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Monday, April 29, 2019 12:31 AM

It's a cheap statement to make if they know they'll never have to back it up in trial.

OK, so then let them write a report with the evidence in it. In fair trial they'd have to show their evidence to the accused anyway, so ... no loss there. Go public, I say, and stop with the allegations.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Monday, April 29, 2019 1:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's a cheap statement to make if they know they'll never have to back it up in trial.

OK, so then let them write a report with the evidence in it. In fair trial they'd have to show their evidence to the accused anyway, so ... no loss there. Go public, I say, and stop with the allegations.

When the indictment came out in 2018, Putin's response was that these GRU intelligence officers did not exist, nobody in Russia had those names, and it is against Russian law to deport them to America for a trial if they did exist. He was doing then what Signym is doing today. Smooth move, Russian troll.
https://theintercept.com/2018/07/18/mueller-indictment-russian-hackers/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Monday, April 29, 2019 1:58 AM

tick tock
T

Fox News judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano broke rank and said that Trump obstructed justice multiple times. He recorded this statement several days after the release of the redacted Mueller Report.

SIGNYM

Monday, April 29, 2019 2:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's a cheap statement to make if they know they'll never have to back it up in trial.

OK, so then let them write a report with the evidence in it. In fair trial they'd have to show their evidence to the accused anyway, so ... no loss there. Go public, I say, and stop with the allegations.
When the indictment came out in 2018, Putin's response was that these GRU intelligence officers did not exist, nobody in Russia had those names, and it is against Russian law to deport them to America for a trial if they did exist. He was doing then what Signym is doing today. Smooth move, Russian troll.
https://theintercept.com/2018/07/18/mueller-indictment-russian-hackers/

When deep state trolls said that Trump colluded* with Russia, they were very detailed and insistent that they had solid "proof". None existed.

It's not unfair or trollish to insist on evidence before conviction. In fact, it's one of the cornerstones of our Constitutionally-protected rights against kangaroo courts and Star Chamber proceedings.

Smooth anti-American move, deep state troll.

Now, do you suppose you could discuss EVIDENCE? Or are you allergic to truth?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, April 29, 2019 7:53 AM

I am wondering if Mueller's Courtroom shenanigans regarding those Russian entities who want to see his Evidence have finally run out of steam, and if that case is now proceeding. Mum seems to be the word lately.

SIGNYM

Monday, April 29, 2019 9:58 AM

As I understand it, Mueller also indicted a private company, which DID show up for it's day in court. Among other things, Mueller indicted the company using a name that didn't even exist at the time. Also the Mueller team apparently didn't want to share their evidence with the defense because they said it was classified or some such. Well, classified or not, prosectors have to share their evince with the defense. After that, nothing showed up in the press.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SIGNYM

Monday, April 29, 2019 12:51 PM

Mueller Indicted A Russian Company That Didn't Even Exist, Court Transcripts Say

Quote:
This week, one of the Russian companies accused by Special Counsel Robert Mueller of funding a conspiracy to meddle in the 2016 U.S. presidential election was revealed in court to not have existed during the time period alleged by Mueller's team of prosecutors, according to a lawyer representing the defendant.

U.S. Magistrate Judge G. Michael Harvey asked Eric Dubelier, one of two lawyers representing the accused Russian company, Concord Management and Consulting LLC, if he was representing a third company listed in Mueller's indictment.

"What about Concord Catering?" Harvey asked Dubelier. "The government makes an allegation that there's some association. I don't mean for you to – do you represent them, or not, today? And are we arraigning them as well?"

"We're not," Dubelier responded. "And the reason for that, Your Honor, is I think we're dealing with a situation of the government having indicted the proverbial ham sandwich."

"That company didn't exist as a legal entity during the time period alleged by the government," Dubelier continued. "If at some later time they show me that it did exist, we would probably represent them. But for purposes of today, no, we do not."

https://www.dailywire.com/news/30556/disaster-mueller-indicted-russian
-company-didnt-ryan-saavedra

Mueller Scrambles To Limit Evidence After Indicted Russians Actually Show Up In Court

Quote:
Special Counsel Robert Mueller is scrambling to limit pretrial evidence handed over to a Russian company he indicted in February over alleged meddling in the 2016 U.S. election, according to Bloomberg.

Mueller asked a Washington federal Judge for a protective order that would prevent the delivery of copious evidence to lawyers for Concord Management and Consulting, LLC, one of three Russian firms and 13 Russian nationals. The indictment accuses the firm of producing propaganda, pretending to be U.S. activists online and posting political content on social media in order to sow discord among American voters.

The special counsel's office argues that the risk of the evidence leaking or falling into the hands of foreign intelligence services, especially Russia, would assist the Kremlin's active "interference operations" against the United States.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-12/mueller-scrambles-limit-evid
ence-after-indicted-russians-actually-show-court

*****

That was the last I saw until I looked it up today. The latest is ...

Reed Smith Team Moves to Hold Barr, Mueller in Contempt in Russia Case

Quote:
The Reed Smith lawyers defending a Russian company indicted in the special counsel investigation are pushing to have U.S. Attorney General William Barr and Robert Mueller III held in contempt over the release of a redacted version of the special counsel’s report last week.

https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2019/04/25/reed-smith-team-move
s-to-hold-barr-mueller-in-contempt-in-russia-case/?slreturn=20190329024814

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SECOND

Monday, April 29, 2019 3:54 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

When deep state trolls said that Trump colluded* with Russia, they were very detailed and insistent that they had solid "proof". None existed.

It's not unfair or trollish to insist on evidence before conviction. In fact, it's one of the cornerstones of our Constitutionally-protected rights against kangaroo courts and Star Chamber proceedings.

Smooth anti-American move, deep state troll.

Now, do you suppose you could discuss EVIDENCE? Or are you allergic to truth?

There is evidence Trump said "Witch Hunt" a thousand times. Why was Trump hostile to investigating Russia? Who knows why Trump does anything? Mueller tried to ask him why, but Trump's answers were "I do not recall" repeated dozens of times in appendix C of Mueller's report. For example:

"I have no recollection of being told during the campaign that any foreign government or foreign leader had provided, wished to provide, or offered to provide tangible support to my campaign."

"I do not recall being aware during the campaign of specific efforts by foreign individuals or companies to assist my campaign through the use of social media postings or the organization of rallies."

"I have no recollection of the details of what, when, or from what source I first learned about the change to the platform amendment regarding arming Ukraine, but I generally recall learning of the issue as part of media reporting. I do not recall being involved in changing the language to the amendment."

There is your evidence that Trump is unaware.

Mueller came to the same conclusion that the Russians did: Trump will take Russian help, but Trump is too stupid to coordinate anything with anybody. The Russians will help him and not try to explain it to him.

Trump never stopped calling Mueller's investigation a "Witch Hunt". He said it at a campaign rally this weekend. It is pretty much evidence that Trump is very dumb. Or he thinks people at his rally are. But smart people have the proof it was not a witch hunt:

https://theintercept.com/2018/07/18/mueller-indictment-russian-hackers/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Monday, April 29, 2019 5:19 PM

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Originally posted by second:

I'm asking questions which presume Trump's guilt, mis-stating his intentions, speculating about his answers, and in general going FAR beyond the evidence in order to frame Trump as "guilty" in my mind

FIFY

https://theintercept.com/2018/07/18/mueller-indictment-russian-hackers/

Here is another article, also from The Intercept
Here’s the Public Evidence Russia Hacked the DNC — It’s Not Enough
https://theintercept.com/2016/12/14/heres-the-public-evidence-russia-h
acked-the-dnc-its-not-enough/

Don't forget, THIS IS ALL ACCORDING TO CROWDSTRIKE, hired by the DNC, and not from FBI or NSA examination. And we should believe them because... why?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Monday, April 29, 2019 5:29 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:

I'm asking questions which presume Trump's guilt, mis-stating his intentions, speculating about his answers, and in general going FAR beyond the evidence in order to frame Trump as "guilty" in my mind
FIFY
https://theintercept.com/2018/07/18/mueller-indictment-russian-hackers/

Here is another article, also from The Intercept

Here’s the Public Evidence Russia Hacked the DNC — It’s Not Enough
https://theintercept.com/2016/12/14/heres-the-public-evidence-russia-h
acked-the-dnc-its-not-enough/

In 2016, The Intercept did not have enough evidence to convince them Russia hacked the DNC. In 2018, The Intercept did have enough. Does that about summarize your argument, Signym? And your "quote" of me is completely fake. Nice job, Russian troll. Why don't you call Mueller a Witch Hunter and make complete your piecework assignment for Monday and collect your pay for a trolling job well done?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Monday, April 29, 2019 5:55 PM

Let's look at the most technically relevant part of your link in detail:

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In the midst of the hack, the DNC discovered what was going on and hired security firm CrowdStrike to investigate it for them.

According to Crowdstrike and the DNC, which did not allow the FBI to examine any of the computers in question.

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On June 15, CrowdStrike published a blog post, scarce on details, announcing the compromise of the DNC network and attributing the hack to Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear, code names for the GRU hacking units.

Five days after CrowdStrike’s blog post,

FIVE DAYS??? Jeez, that's a slow response for the GRU, which supposedly had a lot of people on top of this operation

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according to the indictment, the

presumed

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Russians allegedly deleted all of the logs from their C2 server that “documented their activities,” including their login history.

BUT NO LOGFILES FROM THE DNC COMPUTERS? All this says us that someone logged into a server in Arizona. There appears to be no logs available from the [presumed] target computer(s) at the DNC because .... why? This would really clinch the deal, and anyone could find them, or at least locate the holes where they were deleted. (These logfiles are all timestamped. Even on our own no-account home PC, there is attempted communication many many times a minute, leaving a continuous stream of entries. Because the stream is so continuous, it's obvious where there are gaps.)

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In addition to leasing a server in Arizona, the Russians also allegedly leased a separate server in Illinois that they used for a separate piece of malware called X-Tunnel, which was responsible for compressing and then uploading gigabytes of stolen documents from the DCCC and DNC networks to the server in Illinois “through encrypted channels.”

So, what happened to these files? Were they erased from the server? Bleachbitted? Transmitted to Russia? Transmitted elsewhere? If the FBI had access to this server, they certainly would have been able to find the end of this story, but they didn't.

It seems as if they had access to SOME details but many others ... evidence that would have "sealed the deal" and allowed them to draw a straight line from one computer to another and thence to Russia ... are missing.

Why?

If they had the kind of access that the article implies, including real-time access when the Arizona (and possibly Illinois) servers were active, what happened to the rest of the info? Why do they have to draw such sketchy lines? Why aren't the DNC logfiles available?

And furthermore, why haven't they interviewed Julian Assange and Craig Murray?

The article is written in the kind of style that just shoots stuff at a wall to see what sticks. But when I re-arrange it in logical sequence, the gaps and weaknesses become evident. There is a source and destination for these files, and each source and each destination keeps files on who did what, when. And if they were transmitted anywhere over the internet, but especially overseas, all the NSA would have to do is intercept one packet out of tens of thousands in order to validate the "Russian hacking" story. And yet, the NSA is the one with the least confidence in this "Russian hacking" scenario.

I'll go over the article again, and show you my re-arrangement and also the gaps that don't make sense. Maybe on second reading it will make more sense but right now it looks like someone trying to fluff up nothing into something.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Monday, April 29, 2019 6:05 PM

Signym, I fail to see why Trump was worried about what Mueller might have found on the Russians. If Trump and Putin had been working together, it is not a crime:

Amid the growing power struggle between Congress and the White House, U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Houston, intends to press for legislation that could land a candidate or staff member in jail for five years for working with a foreign agent.

Democrats in Texas are debating how to proceed when Congress reconvenes next week after Easter recess, the first session since release of the Mueller report exonerating President Donald Trump of crimes in the Russian meddling in U.S. elections, but also raising red flags regarding Trump’s attempts to protect himself from the special counsel’s investigation.

www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/Amid-impeachment-
talk-Rep-Jackson-Lee-files-13795002.php

I cannot understand why Trump made such a big deal out of nothing. It was all perfectly legal. Those mean Democrats are planning on making it illegal, but Trump will never sign that law.

I probably should mention that Jackson Lee’s newly drafted Foreign Interference in American Elections Act of 2019 would require candidates or campaign aides to refuse assistance from any foreign government and to tell the FBI about such offers within 72 hours of being contacted. It would apply even to volunteers. Again, whatever might have happened between Trump/Putin is not yet a crime.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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