Mueller Investigation Is Over / Part two are the trials. Hey Jack, I Was Right. 20 Plus Russians Charged, 19 Of Trumps People Convicted of Felonies.
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When will the Mueller Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition be over?
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
Do let me know what was in those million dollar speeches that Hillary gave to the likes of Goldman Sachs, will you?
She got more money than Trump and a million times smarter. Hell, she got dead brain cells that have more life than that idiot.Quote:
How does the wife of an ex-president come upon 10 times the campaign funds for her election bid than a business tycoon?
Beats the fuck outta me. Of course, she didn't have the Russian hockey team in her corner. Now that was a "smart" treasonous move on Donnie's part.Quote:
I don't remember reading about her Billion Dollar grass-roots kickstarter campaign funded by small donors.
Ya got me there, cause neither have I. (that's one point for the Trump cult).
This was fun. Let's do it again soon.
sgg
Maybe you should take a real long minute to consider how she got that money.
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SIX, it's obvious that "S""G""G" drank the koolaid. His posts are full of emotion, but no thought, and trying to stimulate any thought processes there is a fruitless exercise.
SECONDRATE's posts are coming from a deeply troubled person who is so hate-filled that he considers it his "mission" to throw anti-GOP shit against the wall 24/7, even when it contradicts the OTHER shit that he just threw against the wall a monet ago; he's not listening (not even to himself) or thinking (not even about what he posts) either and he doesn't care how many goalposts he moves just as long as he's posting something negative.
REAVERBOT is just that ... a bot. He's been so thoroughly programmed that he can only operate in extremely narrow lines: "Nazi", "troll", "Russian".
TWITCHY is suffering from some sort of PTSD; she's reacting to childhood trauma and ... not really thinking there, either.
THUGR ... well, THUGR is just deficient in IQ points. His knowledge base is very small and, worse, ability to learn so far has been extremely limited.
Sorry to say that there are a whole lot of people here who can't listen and think; coversation with them is impossible. Maybe they just need a "cooling off" period where nobody responds to their bullshit?
*****
BTW, I would find this on the other end of the political spectrum too. There are people here who would react the same way if I were to challenge THEIR belief systems.
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Quote:Signym, you and Trump are seriously stupid and your articulateness does not hide it. Trump says one thing that is not true; Signym follows. Trump says the opposite; Signym follows Trump there. Trump says too much about the Mueller Report that is false to even try knocking down all the nonsense from him and Signym, but on his equally ridiculous trade policy, he and Signym are much quieter, making it easy to show what a continuous liar he is:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECONDRATE's posts are coming from a deeply troubled person who is so hate-filled that he considers it his "mission" to throw anti-GOP shit against the wall 24/7, even when it contradicts the OTHER shit that he just threw against the wall a monet ago; he's not listening (not even to himself) or thinking (not even about what he posts) either and he doesn't care how many goalposts he moves just as long as he's posting something negative.
Trump finally tacitly (he didn't tweet it) admitted that Canada and Mexico do NOT represent national security threats: The United States agreed Friday to lift its tariffs on industrial metals from Mexico and Canada. It was always ridiculous for Trump to think that tariffs would cause Americans to invest heavily in new capacity. It takes years to build a new steel mill, but only minutes for Trump to wipe out a tariff. Overnight, a new mill that made sense might suddenly not pencil out.
Only an idiot would believe Trump and base long-term capex spending on politically motivated tariff decisions that could change from one day to the next depending on what Fox & Friends happens to say one morning. Trump is just as big a liar about the Mueller Report as he was about Canada and Mexico being national security risks. But since Robert Mueller is not going to force Trump to start telling the truth, unlike Mexico, Canada, American purchasers of steel and aluminum, GOP Senators forcing Trump to tell the truth, Trump will keep lying about the Mueller report and Signym will keep following every lie.
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Quote:Also, SECONDRATE, like GSTRING and REAVERBOT, considers it his "mission" to constantly misrepresent (i.e. "lie") about what other people think and what other people feel. And not just a little bit; oh no. He goes on and on with his delusional misrepresentations, every single sentence of which is wrong, wrong, wrong. But that's what happens when you have your fingers stuffed in your ears, your head up your ass. And your heart filled with hate.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Signym, you and Trump are seriously stupid and your articulateness does not hide it. Trump says one thing that is not true; Signym follows. Trump says the opposite; Signym follows Trump there. Trump says too much about the Mueller Report that is false to even try knocking down all the nonsense from him and Signym, but on his equally ridiculous trade policy, he and Signym are much quieter, making it easy to show what a continuous liar he is:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECONDRATE's posts are coming from a deeply troubled person who is so hate-filled that he considers it his "mission" to throw anti-GOP shit against the wall 24/7, even when it contradicts the OTHER shit that he just threw against the wall a monet ago; he's not listening (not even to himself) or thinking (not even about what he posts) either and he doesn't care how many goalposts he moves just as long as he's posting something negative.
Trump finally tacitly (he didn't tweet it) admitted that Canada and Mexico do NOT represent national security threats: The United States agreed Friday to lift its tariffs on industrial metals from Mexico and Canada. It was always ridiculous for Trump to think that tariffs would cause Americans to invest heavily in new capacity. It takes years to build a new steel mill, but only minutes for Trump to wipe out a tariff. Overnight, a new mill that made sense might suddenly not pencil out.
Only an idiot would believe Trump and base long-term capex spending on politically motivated tariff decisions that could change from one day to the next depending on what Fox & Friends happens to say one morning. Trump is just as big a liar about the Mueller Report as he was about Canada and Mexico being national security risks. But since Robert Mueller is not going to force Trump to start telling the truth, unlike Mexico, Canada, American purchasers of steel and aluminum, GOP Senators forcing Trump to tell the truth, Trump will keep lying about the Mueller report and Signym will keep following every lie.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Quote:Signym, am I misrepresenting what Trump tweeted yesterday? Trump on Friday morning accused the Obama-era FBI of “TREASON,” and called for people to serve “long jail sentences” as a result. What the FBI did in investigating Trump’s campaign in 2016 was not, however, treason. Not even close. Article III, Section 3 of the US Constitution defines treason in a very narrow manner — as pertaining to literal acts of war, or helping “enemies” with whom the US is currently at war. Here’s the text:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECONDRATE, like GSTRING and REAVERBOT, considers it his "mission" to constantly misrepresent (i.e. "lie") about what other people think and what other people feel. And not just a little bit; oh no.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
Based on the Constitution, Trump’s accusations that his enemies committed treason are completely ludicrous and, I think, extraordinarily inappropriate, given that one of the purposes of the treason clause was to protect Americans discussing and criticizing their government. It was very clear — one of the reasons to limit the offense the way it was done in Article III was to prevent it from being a political tool where people in power (Trump or Barr or Lindsey Graham for three examples) use it to jail their political enemies. Remember, Trump wants “long jail sentences”:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1129343742748569601
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Yes, that's right Six, listen to mommy sheep herder otherwise you'll get spanked. Ya know, it's funny how this stupid motherfucker goes around insulting people, ropes you in, then screams "bloody murder" when the tables
are turned and the tactic is sprung on them.
You haven't seen/heard real emotion yet. Just wait!
sgg - the BULLSHITTER - come get some!!!
I'm giving you the international symbol of PEACE .|.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX, it's obvious that "S""G""G" drank the koolaid. His posts are full of emotion, but no thought, and trying to stimulate any thought processes there is a fruitless exercise.
SECONDRATE's posts are coming from a deeply troubled person who is so hate-filled that he considers it his "mission" to throw anti-GOP shit against the wall 24/7, even when it contradicts the OTHER shit that he just threw against the wall a monet ago; he's not listening (not even to himself) or thinking (not even about what he posts) either and he doesn't care how many goalposts he moves just as long as he's posting something negative.
REAVERBOT is just that ... a bot. He's been so thoroughly programmed that he can only operate in extremely narrow lines: "Nazi", "troll", "Russian".
TWITCHY is suffering from some sort of PTSD; she's reacting to childhood trauma and ... not really thinking there, either.
THUGR ... well, THUGR is just deficient in IQ points. His knowledge base is very small and, worse, ability to learn so far has been extremely limited.
Sorry to say that there are a whole lot of people here who can't listen and think; coversation with them is impossible. Maybe they just need a "cooling off" period where nobody responds to their bullshit?
*****
BTW, I would find this on the other end of the political spectrum too. There are people here who would react the same way if I were to challenge THEIR belief systems.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Maybe you should take a real long minute to consider how she got that money.
Yes, she ate children, trafficked them in child porn sex rings and cheated
the Haitian people. I have no illusions about the rich and how they fuck the little guy. I also have no illusions as to how the "little guy" fucks other little guys to step on their head as they make their way up the Uriah Heep.
Once again, it's like stealing candy from a baby when it comes to yanking your chain. So fucking easy. Nobody knows shit, and I include myself among the mindless who swear they do. I've forgotten more shit since my days of real radical involvement, not this petty bullshit the RWED, more than any of you will ever learn in a lifetime. So please, spare me the righteous indignation. You want to follow your leader and ignore my posts...please be my fucking guest and do as "momma" says.
Please don't read, respond or comment. Please, ignore me. I welcome your fucked up notion of ridicule. Go ahead Jack, don't respond to this. Thank you!
Meanwhile, listen to this as you play your petty little game:
and my favorite........
"Be Seeing You..."
SGG
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
Maybe you should take a real long minute to consider how she got that money.
Yes, she ate children, trafficked them in child porn sex rings and cheated
the Haitian people. I have no illusions about the rich and how they fuck the little guy. I also have no illusions as to how the "little guy" fucks other little guys to step on their head as they make their way up the Uriah Heep.
Once again, it's like stealing candy from a baby when it comes to yanking your chain. So fucking easy. Nobody knows shit, and I include myself among the mindless who swear they do. I've forgotten more shit since my days of real radical involvement, not this petty bullshit the RWED, more than any of you will ever learn in a lifetime. So please, spare me the righteous indignation. You want to follow your leader and ignore my posts...please be my fucking guest and do as "momma" says.
Please don't read, respond or comment. Please, ignore me. I welcome your fucked up notion of ridicule. Go ahead Jack, don't respond to this. Thank you!
What makes you think you've learned more than I will by the time I'm your age?
I hardly lived a pampered lifestyle growing up. It was quite a nightmare, actually. I didn't get to go to college and be coddled until I was 24 learning a bunch of bullshit you don't need either.
School of hard knocks, son. All my life. And the more I hang around these part the more I get to thinking that I'm the only one who reads a book on occasion too.
I don't know exactly where Hillary got that kind of money either. But the obvious point that I was making is that no matter where it came from, it wasn't good. She was deep in somebody's pocket. Multiple somebodies.
The argument that Trump was in Putin's pocket was a fallacy. You can't use that in retaliation this fact anymore.
Trump is our President. He's not going anywhere. And if the Dems can't get a decent candidate with a decent message, you'd best start preparing for a second term.
Joe Biden is not what you're looking for. Trump will destroy him. You should pass the memo to your party and the DNC.
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The first instance of a sitting Republican in Congress calling for Trump's impeachment.
"Contrary to Barr's portrayal, Mueller's report reveals that President Trump engaged in specific actions and a pattern of behavior that meet the threshold for impeachment," Justin Amash, Third District of Michigan, said in a string of messages on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1129831615952236546
Justin Amash @justinamash tweeted the following on 12:30 PM - 18 May 2019 . . .
Here are my principal conclusions:
1. Attorney General Barr has deliberately misrepresented Mueller’s report.
2. President Trump has engaged in impeachable conduct.
3. Partisanship has eroded our system of checks and balances.
4. Few members of Congress have read the report.
I offer these conclusions only after having read Mueller’s redacted report carefully and completely, having read or watched pertinent statements and testimony, and having discussed this matter with my staff, who thoroughly reviewed materials and provided me with further analysis.
In comparing Barr’s principal conclusions, congressional testimony, and other statements to Mueller’s report, it is clear that Barr intended to mislead the public about Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s analysis and findings.
Barr’s misrepresentations are significant but often subtle, frequently taking the form of sleight-of-hand qualifications or logical fallacies, which he hopes people will not notice.
Contrary to Barr’s portrayal, Mueller’s report reveals that President Trump engaged in specific actions and a pattern of behavior that meet the threshold for impeachment.
In fact, Mueller’s report identifies multiple examples of conduct satisfying all the elements of obstruction of justice, and undoubtedly any person who is not the president of the United States would be indicted based on such evidence.
Impeachment, which is a special form of indictment, does not even require probable cause that a crime (e.g., obstruction of justice) has been committed; it simply requires a finding that an official has engaged in careless, abusive, corrupt, or otherwise dishonorable conduct.
While impeachment should be undertaken only in extraordinary circumstances, the risk we face in an environment of extreme partisanship is not that Congress will employ it as a remedy too often but rather that Congress will employ it so rarely that it cannot deter misconduct.
Our system of checks and balances relies on each branch’s jealously guarding its powers and upholding its duties under our Constitution. When loyalty to a political party or to an individual trumps loyalty to the Constitution, the Rule of Law — the foundation of liberty — crumbles.
We’ve witnessed members of Congress from both parties shift their views 180 degrees — on the importance of character, on the principles of obstruction of justice — depending on whether they’re discussing Bill Clinton or Donald Trump.
Few members of Congress even read Mueller’s report; their minds were made up based on partisan affiliation — and it showed, with representatives and senators from both parties issuing definitive statements on the 448-page report’s conclusions within just hours of its release.
America’s institutions depend on officials to uphold both the rules and spirit of our constitutional system even when to do so is personally inconvenient or yields a politically unfavorable outcome. Our Constitution is brilliant and awesome; it deserves a government to match it.
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Go ahead and impeach. I've been all but begging for impeachment for months now.
Please. Impeach. I implore you.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:My ideal scenario is Trump has a fatal heart attack late at night and does not call 911. That way nobody would have to take a vote on whether Trump is too fat and stupid to be President. Trump's final words would be a tweet during his heart attack: "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! Arrrgggghhh . . . " (Yes, that was an actual tweet from Trump at 4:01 AM - 17 May 2019)
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Go ahead and impeach. I've been all but begging for impeachment for months now.
Please. Impeach. I implore you.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1129341043156107264
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Quote:Oh goody, more emotion. Yeah, THAT'LL convince me!
You haven't seen/heard real emotion yet. Just wait! "S""G""G"
Son, if your unhinged rants haven't convinced me of anything yet, why do you suppose that more of the same will change my mind?
BTW, you, REAVERBOT, and SECONDRATE don't even recognize that I'm actually farther to the left than you are. But I'm not the gushy-touchy-weepy-angrydrunk-unhinged kind like you; I really do believe in tracking down problems to their ultimate origins, and holding EVERYONE accountable for their contributions to the clusterfuck - NOT JUST REPUBLICANS, and NOT JUST TRUMP.
Jeez, more facts and logic on your side would do wonders for you. Care to join me in an actual conversation where you respond to what is posted, and not just your overwhelming glandular secretions and booze?
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Originally posted by second:Quote:My ideal scenario is Trump has a fatal heart attack late at night and does not call 911. That way nobody would have to take a vote on whether Trump is too fat and stupid to be President. Trump's final words would be a tweet during his heart attack: "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! Arrrgggghhh . . . " (Yes, that was an actual tweet from Trump at 4:01 AM - 17 May 2019)
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Go ahead and impeach. I've been all but begging for impeachment for months now.
Please. Impeach. I implore you.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1129341043156107264
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
I'm not at all going to argue that our current President is a poster child for the Presidential Physical Fitness Awards. I'm also not going to argue that under that suit the 72 year old has a lot of muscle either.
I will point out that the BMI scale used widely today is problematic.
Here's a list of our heaviest presidents before Trump (factored with BMI):
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Naturally, this is a question spawned by the possibility of a Chris Christie run for the presidency. It turns out, not too many presidents have been rotund. In fact, only five presidents have been “obese” according to the antiquated BMI. Taft (42.3 on the BMI), Cleveland (34.6), McKinley (31.1), Taylor (30.2), and Teddy Roosevelt (30.2). Bill Clinton was overweight with a BMI of 28.3.
And here's a Newsweek article from February about Trump's recent climb into "Obese" territory:
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-obesity-bmi-overweight-1332943
Here, is CDC page with charts on Obesity:
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/adult/defining.html
Now... personally speaking, I don't have too many doubts that during the height of my drinking before I sobered up and got back in shape, that I was legitimately Obese when I had peaked out around 225lbs.
But back in my early to mid 20's when I spent anywhere from 35 to 50 hours per week at the gym and was a brick shithouse weighing 209lbs at only around 5'7", I was technically obese by the very fallible BMI metrics. At a 32.73 BMI, I was higher in the prime of my life after years of power lifting than McKinley, Taylor, Teddy Roosevelt and Bill Clinton. And also Trump, who recently hit 30.4.
Hell... even right now, at 165lbs and a six pack showing, I'm at 25.8, which is well within the "Overweight" category.
But my recent blood work back in Janurary came back all within the acceptable levels on all counts except for Glucose, which was 3 pts higher than the high number. After discussing my very small list of foods regularly consumed with my gluten free diet and limited source of income, I was told to just swap out my Honey Nut Cheerios with regular Cheerios and I'd be fine, which is what I've been doing for 4 months now.
Trump's doctor says he's fine. I don't necessarily believe that is true. Without even the need to delve into conspiracy theories, I'm sure one could come up with a myriad of reasons why someone would lie about this.
He's a big guy, sure, but he is 72.
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At 30.4, Trump’s BMI is just above the average for U.S. men over the age of 60 (29.2), according to a recent Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report using a 2015-16 survey data.
I'll just say that I've seen and I personally know people who are far fatter than he is.
None of the other things you've pinned your hopes and dreams on regarding Trump have born any fruit up to this point. I'm going to suggest you don't waste any time wishing on a star that Trump has a heart attack unless you get some sort of pleasure out of it.
In that case, maybe it is good for your health to dream.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Maybe Trump could do America a favor by dying like another GOP glutton, Justice Antonin Scalia, who choked on a late night snack. The fake news said he died in bed. The news was dignifying his death. He died in front of an open refrigerator, while chowing down on leftover fried chicken.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And here's a Newsweek article from February about Trump's recent climb into "Obese" territory
www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2016/02/23/official-cause-of-death-fo
r-antonin-scalia-released
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Maybe Trump could do America a favor by dying like another GOP glutton, Justice Antonin Scalia, who choked on a late night snack. The fake news said he died in bed. The news was dignifying his death. He died in front of an open refrigerator, while chowing down on leftover fried chicken.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And here's a Newsweek article from February about Trump's recent climb into "Obese" territory
www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2016/02/23/official-cause-of-death-fo
r-antonin-scalia-released
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Keep dreaming bud.
At least you're getting warmer. At 72, the chances that any of your dark fantasies regarding Trump and his eating habits coming true are much more likely than impeachment or ever seeing his tax returns.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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When will the Mueller Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition be over?
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Oh goody, more emotion. Yeah, THAT'LL convince me!
How quaint, more sarcasm
sgg
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Soon, Jewels, soon......it's all coming to a head.
sgg
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When will the Mueller Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition be over?
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Come on guys, stop saying that he's a fat disgusting slob....after all he is
a fellow human being. He can't be all bad, he golfs for Pete's sake.
Now isn't that America! Teeing off while chomping on a chicken wing, deep fried of course!
sgg
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:My ideal scenario is Trump has a fatal heart attack late at night and does not call 911. That way nobody would have to take a vote on whether Trump is too fat and stupid to be President. Trump's final words would be a tweet during his heart attack: "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! Arrrgggghhh . . . " (Yes, that was an actual tweet from Trump at 4:01 AM - 17 May 2019)
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Go ahead and impeach. I've been all but begging for impeachment for months now.
Please. Impeach. I implore you.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1129341043156107264
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
I'm not at all going to argue that our current President is a poster child for the Presidential Physical Fitness Awards. I'm also not going to argue that under that suit the 72 year old has a lot of muscle either.
I will point out that the BMI scale used widely today is problematic.
Here's a list of our heaviest presidents before Trump (factored with BMI):Quote:
Naturally, this is a question spawned by the possibility of a Chris Christie run for the presidency. It turns out, not too many presidents have been rotund. In fact, only five presidents have been “obese” according to the antiquated BMI. Taft (42.3 on the BMI), Cleveland (34.6), McKinley (31.1), Taylor (30.2), and Teddy Roosevelt (30.2). Bill Clinton was overweight with a BMI of 28.3.
And here's a Newsweek article from February about Trump's recent climb into "Obese" territory:
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-obesity-bmi-overweight-1332943
Here, is CDC page with charts on Obesity:
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/adult/defining.html
Now... personally speaking, I don't have too many doubts that during the height of my drinking before I sobered up and got back in shape, that I was legitimately Obese when I had peaked out around 225lbs.
But back in my early to mid 20's when I spent anywhere from 35 to 50 hours per week at the gym and was a brick shithouse weighing 209lbs at only around 5'7", I was technically obese by the very fallible BMI metrics. At a 32.73 BMI, I was higher in the prime of my life after years of power lifting than McKinley, Taylor, Teddy Roosevelt and Bill Clinton. And also Trump, who recently hit 30.4.
Hell... even right now, at 165lbs and a six pack showing, I'm at 25.8, which is well within the "Overweight" category.
But my recent blood work back in Janurary came back all within the acceptable levels on all counts except for Glucose, which was 3 pts higher than the high number. After discussing my very small list of foods regularly consumed with my gluten free diet and limited source of income, I was told to just swap out my Honey Nut Cheerios with regular Cheerios and I'd be fine, which is what I've been doing for 4 months now.
Trump's doctor says he's fine. I don't necessarily believe that is true. Without even the need to delve into conspiracy theories, I'm sure one could come up with a myriad of reasons why someone would lie about this.
He's a big guy, sure, but he is 72.Quote:
At 30.4, Trump’s BMI is just above the average for U.S. men over the age of 60 (29.2), according to a recent Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report using a 2015-16 survey data.
I'll just say that I've seen and I personally know people who are far fatter than he is.
None of the other things you've pinned your hopes and dreams
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Trump's argument to block Don McGahn from testifying is nuts:
The White House is relying on a brand new memo from the Office of Legal Counsel claiming that, as an absolute matter of separation of powers and executive branch autonomy, Congress cannot force the President's senior advisers to testify.
Notably, the memo cites not a single court decision to support this novel proposition. The memo does begrudgingly note in passing that the only court opinion on the matter, a 2008 decision relating to testimony from former White House Counsel Harriet Miers, actually reaches the opposite conclusion: Senior advisers to the President are not immune from compelled congressional testimony.
There is also extensive precedent against the White House's position. Senior advisers to presidents of both parties have testified in Congress routinely -- and over many decades. The White House's new position would effectively put an end to that longstanding and not particularly controversial practice.
On Monday, Trump launched a long-shot effort to prevent the public from hearing live testimony from former White House Counsel Don McGahn -- the man who, perhaps more than any other, can bring to life Trump's most flagrant alleged acts of obstruction of justice.
According to Special Counsel Robert Mueller's report, in June 2017, Trump instructed McGahn to have then-Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein remove Special Counsel Robert Mueller. McGahn defied this order. Then, according to the report, in early 2018, Trump told McGahn to falsely deny media reports that Trump had tried to fire Mueller. McGahn, again, refused to comply.
This is the textbook definition of obstruction of justice, and McGahn's testimony threatens to expose this to millions of Americans across the country who haven't read the Mueller report.
If Congress is serious about hearing from McGahn, then it needs to skip the ceremonial contempt votes, take the issue to court and insist on an expedited ruling from a judge. (And if Monday's expedited ruling from a DC District Court judge, ordering Trump's accounting firm to turn over financial records to the House Oversight Committee is any indication, several judges may be willing to take swift action.)
www.cnn.com/2019/05/20/opinions/trump-block-don-mcgahn-reasoning-nuts-
honig/index.html
I looked at the memo. www.politico.com/f/?id=0000016a-d6b3-d399-afef-deb38ac30002
Congress will ask McGahn the same questions that Mueller asked McGahn. McGahn only needs to read aloud the same words he spoke to Mueller, except this time the words will be on TV. Trump has no legal argument to forbid words that are already in the public domain. Trump doesn't want McGahn to say the same words a second time, especially when those words will be broadcast to millions of undecided voters. A Congressman could read aloud McGahn's testimony in the Mueller Report, but that would not get the news coverage of McGahn reading his own words.
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What about my post here, or any of the posts I've ever made in the RWED, make you think that I'm prone to going all PC when it comes to obesity?
I am a fat shamer. Being fat is not healthy.
Trump ain't my daddy though, so I really don't care. Just saying that you're probably just wasting your time if you think that his weight is going to be the thing that gets him out of office when all else fails.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Come on guys, stop saying that he's a fat disgusting slob....after all he is
a fellow human being. He can't be all bad, he golfs for Pete's sake.
Now isn't that America! Teeing off while chomping on a chicken wing, deep fried of course!
sggQuote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:My ideal scenario is Trump has a fatal heart attack late at night and does not call 911. That way nobody would have to take a vote on whether Trump is too fat and stupid to be President. Trump's final words would be a tweet during his heart attack: "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! Arrrgggghhh . . . " (Yes, that was an actual tweet from Trump at 4:01 AM - 17 May 2019)
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Go ahead and impeach. I've been all but begging for impeachment for months now.
Please. Impeach. I implore you.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1129341043156107264
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I'm not at all going to argue that our current President is a poster child for the Presidential Physical Fitness Awards. I'm also not going to argue that under that suit the 72 year old has a lot of muscle either.
I will point out that the BMI scale used widely today is problematic.
Here's a list of our heaviest presidents before Trump (factored with BMI):Quote:
Naturally, this is a question spawned by the possibility of a Chris Christie run for the presidency. It turns out, not too many presidents have been rotund. In fact, only five presidents have been “obese” according to the antiquated BMI. Taft (42.3 on the BMI), Cleveland (34.6), McKinley (31.1), Taylor (30.2), and Teddy Roosevelt (30.2). Bill Clinton was overweight with a BMI of 28.3.
And here's a Newsweek article from February about Trump's recent climb into "Obese" territory:
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-obesity-bmi-overweight-1332943
Here, is CDC page with charts on Obesity:
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/adult/defining.html
Now... personally speaking, I don't have too many doubts that during the height of my drinking before I sobered up and got back in shape, that I was legitimately Obese when I had peaked out around 225lbs.
But back in my early to mid 20's when I spent anywhere from 35 to 50 hours per week at the gym and was a brick shithouse weighing 209lbs at only around 5'7", I was technically obese by the very fallible BMI metrics. At a 32.73 BMI, I was higher in the prime of my life after years of power lifting than McKinley, Taylor, Teddy Roosevelt and Bill Clinton. And also Trump, who recently hit 30.4.
Hell... even right now, at 165lbs and a six pack showing, I'm at 25.8, which is well within the "Overweight" category.
But my recent blood work back in Janurary came back all within the acceptable levels on all counts except for Glucose, which was 3 pts higher than the high number. After discussing my very small list of foods regularly consumed with my gluten free diet and limited source of income, I was told to just swap out my Honey Nut Cheerios with regular Cheerios and I'd be fine, which is what I've been doing for 4 months now.
Trump's doctor says he's fine. I don't necessarily believe that is true. Without even the need to delve into conspiracy theories, I'm sure one could come up
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When will the Mueller Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition be over?
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Trump used to manipulation stocks, until he was caught. Funny how he is doing it again.
Trump would secretly buy shares of stock in a company, publicly suggest he was planning to make a bid to buy the whole company, watch the share price rise in response to the Trump takeover rumors, and then sell his shares at a profit without actually doing anything.
He did this successfully with United Airlines in 1987, which led him to try it again with Hilton Hotels, Gillette, and Federated Department Stores in 1988. This was apparently a “fool me five times, shame on you” situation, however; investors caught on to the fact that Trump was running a scam, and it didn’t work anymore. Around the same time, the Securities and Exchange Commission hit Trump with a $750,000 fine related to a different stock transaction — one of several instances of Trump being caught breaking the rules only to be allowed to settle charges with a fine and no admission of guilt.
As president, Trump every once in a while throws global financial markets into a tizzy with unexpected tweets threatening tariffs and trade wars. It would be interesting to know how those market convulsions affect Trump’s finances, but of course we can’t tell because he’s keeping his returns secret.
www.vox.com/2019/5/21/18634939/trump-tax-returns-irs-memo
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Trump used to manipulation stocks, huh?
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What about my post here, or any of the posts I've ever made in the RWED, make you think that I'm prone to going all PC when it comes to obesity?
I am a fat shamer. Being fat is not healthy.
Trump ain't my daddy though, so I really don't care. Just saying that you're probably just wasting your time if you think that his weight is going to be the thing that gets him out of office when all else fails.
Oh. My bad.
sgg
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Quote:Yes. But more than that: Michael Cohen testified to the House Intelligence Committee. In his role as Trump’s fixer, one of Cohen’s jobs was to refuse to pay people the money they were owed.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Trump used to manipulation stocks, huh?
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“Some of the things that I did was reach out to individuals,” Cohen told the counsel for House Democrats, “whether it’s law firms or small businesses, and renegotiate contracts after the job was already done, or basically tell them that we just weren’t paying at all, or make them offers of, say, 20 cents on the dollar."
If 6ix skipped out without paying the bill, only to later offer 20 percent of what you owed, you’d be called a thief. Yet there is sworn testimony of Trump doing this.
Trump used his power to get away with things that normal people couldn’t do. And throughout his life, Trump has broken the rules and ripped off customers, workers, and investors because he can hire expensive lawyers and wait out paying his bills. He can just pay government fines. He’s got a leg up over most everyone else.
How Trump stole money
The basic Trump method, established as far back as his Atlantic City casino days, goes like this:
First, Trump contracts with someone to do some work for him.
Second, the work gets done.
Third, Trump does not pay for the work.
Fourth, the people Trump owes money threaten to sue him.
Fifth, Trump offers to pay a small fraction of the sum they originally agreed on.
The person Trump owes money to is now faced with an unattractive choice. He can accept 20 or 30 percent of what he is owed right now. Alternatively, he can hire a lawyer and fight out a lawsuit that might take months or years. Since Trump is rich and has lawyers on his staff, it’s nothing to Trump to fight an extended legal battle. And since Trump is the one not paying the bill, delay is inherently in his favor. The business owner, by contrast, could really use some money now rather than later. And he’d rather not have a bunch of legal bills and waste a ton of his own time in court.
The particular outcomes varied over time, but even the people who fought Trump most successfully ended up with unsatisfactory outcomes.
USA Today, for example, reported in 2016 that at one point, Trump owed a total of $69 million to 253 separate subcontractors on the Taj Mahal casino. One of those subcontractors was Marty Rosenberg of Atlantic Plate Glass Co., to whom Trump was $1.5 million in debt. That bill was so high that Rosenberg took on an informal role as a leader of a big group of contractors who sued Trump.
More at www.vox.com/2019/5/23/18634520/trump-impeachment-impunity-scandals-poc
ketbook-issues
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So...
Trump used to manipulate stocks?
or
Trump is used to manipulating stocks?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Trump’s hit upon a strategy of bilking people that works. If you’d described this to me in the abstract a few years ago, I’d have told you that it wouldn’t work — that nobody would do business with someone who acted this way. But evidently Trump is smarter than I am, because he figured out that you really can keep running the scam over and over again as long as you switch businesses and locations enough.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So...
Trump used to manipulate stocks?
or
Trump is used to manipulating stocks?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
What about my post here, or any of the posts I've ever made in the RWED, make you think that I'm prone to going all PC when it comes to obesity?
I am a fat shamer. Being fat is not healthy.
Trump ain't my daddy though, so I really don't care. Just saying that you're probably just wasting your time if you think that his weight is going to be the thing that gets him out of office when all else fails.
Oh. My bad.
sgg
No worries. And all sarcasm aside, I just want to make sure that we're all on the same page here, at least knowing where each other is coming from.
Sure... Trump is overweight. But he's no John Candy. My long anecdotal post about weight and BMI was just illustrating what a flawed concept the entire BMI system is. There are so many different body types out there, and throughout one's life depending upon lifestyle choices, their body type might fall in the happy medium where the BMI works, or it may go to one of the extremes where the BMI tells you nothing about somebody.
On the other hand, hydrostatic testing would paint a nearly perfect picture of somebody's lean muscle vs fat content using water displacement.
Good luck getting Trump to strip down to his skivvies to get weighed in a pool though. Although, given his trollish nature, I could actually see him doing this one day. Certainly a better chance of this than ever seeing his taxes.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Trump’s hit upon a strategy of bilking people that works. If you’d described this to me in the abstract a few years ago, I’d have told you that it wouldn’t work — that nobody would do business with someone who acted this way. But evidently Trump is smarter than I am, because he figured out that you really can keep running the scam over and over again as long as you switch businesses and locations enough.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So...
Trump used to manipulate stocks?
or
Trump is used to manipulating stocks?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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So what you're accusing Trump of doing is what we already know that George Soros did to entire economies in the past?
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Quote:No, 6ix, you are full of shit. Soros was actually talking to the Bank of England, telling them to not do what they intended. To drive home how serious he was while he was giving this advice, he bet his billions against the Bank of England and Soros told them what he was doing. Those fucking morons still didn't listen -- they believed that they would bankrupt Soros. They lost money to Soros and to all the other currency traders who made more than Soros on Black Wednesday, Sept 16, 1992.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So what you're accusing Trump of doing is what we already know that George Soros did to entire economies in the past?
During the post-election transition period, Trump was allowed to settle a lawsuit about defrauding customers of his fake university (interestingly, the fact that the university was fake was not, itself, actionable fraud at all) rather than truly face the music.
One of Trump’s real insights in life was to see this bug in the system. When it comes to these kinds of crimes, it’s typically in government officials’ interest to agree to a settlement that gives them positive headlines and raises some cash while letting them move on to the next investigation.
But while these decisions can make sense individually, they let serial offenders repeat their crimes over and over again — defrauding both individuals and the federal government. And while Trump is in some ways an extreme case, he’s in other ways a typical one. The nature of America’s adversarial legal system is that your ability to prevail in court is closely linked to your ability to hire expensive lawyers, meaning that in both civil conflicts with middle-class people and criminal conflicts with the federal government, the rich have a huge leg up.
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"No. It's not the same because Trump is a big meanie!!! Waaaaaah!"
lol
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Quote:If the FBI director can be fired for declining to drop the Michael Flynn case, then what does that say to prosecutors and regulators all around the country who may be asked to look into misconduct by Trump’s network of business partners and campaign donors?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
Trump even opposes enforcing penalties on companies that hire people who don’t have permission to work in the United States.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/trump-e-verify-fox-news-makes-i
t-too-hard-to-hire-the-undocumented.html
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Originally posted by second:
If the FBI director can be fired for declining to drop the Michael Flynn case, then what does that say to prosecutors and regulators all around the country who may be asked to look into misconduct by Trump’s network of business partners and campaign donors?
Nothing. He's not their boss.
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Quote:Wrong you are, 6ix. Trump is the boss of those prosecutors and regulators. And he is nutty as a fruitcake.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
If the FBI director can be fired for declining to drop the Michael Flynn case, then what does that say to prosecutors and regulators all around the country who may be asked to look into misconduct by Trump’s network of business partners and campaign donors?
Nothing. He's not their boss.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Donald Trump Is Totally Calm
Donald Trump is holding a press conference where he’s forcing staffers to file in front of the cameras and tell reporters that he was totally calm at yesterday’s meeting with Nancy Pelosi. Totally. Calm.
I am not making this up. Trump is nutty as a fruitcake.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/05/donald-trump-is-totally-calm/
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Wrong you are, 6ix. Trump is the boss of those prosecutors and regulators. And he is nutty as a fruitcake.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
If the FBI director can be fired for declining to drop the Michael Flynn case, then what does that say to prosecutors and regulators all around the country who may be asked to look into misconduct by Trump’s network of business partners and campaign donors?
Nothing. He's not their boss.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Donald Trump Is Totally Calm
Donald Trump is holding a press conference where he’s forcing staffers to file in front of the cameras and tell reporters that he was totally calm at yesterday’s meeting with Nancy Pelosi. Totally. Calm.
I am not making this up. Trump is nutty as a fruitcake.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/05/donald-trump-is-totally-calm/
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You're an idiot.
Period.
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Quote:'Extremely stable genius': Trump defends his mental fitness
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're an idiot.
Period.
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www.politico.com/story/2019/05/23/trump-stable-genius-1342655
6ix, you just don't want to admit you voted for an "extremely stable genius". If he wasn't nuts, he wouldn't be bragging about how sane he is.
I love the part where Trump says he's not crazy, it's Nancy. She's crazy, not me! Trump is so fucked up in the head.
Trump is getting more and more stable with each passing month:
"I am a stable genius" (January 26, 2018)
"I'm a very stable genius." (July 12, 2018)
"I'm an extremely stable genius." (May 23, 2019)
1:24 PM - 23 May 2019
https://twitter.com/gelles/status/1131657239658467333
How to satirize a man who is already absurd:
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lol
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...and then you have that Huckabee Hag lying through her teeth backing up her boss - they're all scumbags - by repeating his dumb ass mantra "do nothing" Congress. Lying sack of shit.
sgg
Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:'Extremely stable genius': Trump defends his mental fitness
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're an idiot.
Period.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.politico.com/story/2019/05/23/trump-stable-genius-1342655
6ix, you just don't want to admit you voted for an "extremely stable genius". If he wasn't nuts, he wouldn't be bragging about how sane he is.
I love the part where Trump says he's not crazy, it's Nancy. She's crazy, not me! Trump is so fucked up in the head.
Trump is getting more and more stable with each passing month:
"I am a stable genius" (January 26, 2018)
"I'm a very stable genius." (July 12, 2018)
"I'm an extremely stable genius." (May 23, 2019)
1:24 PM - 23 May 2019
https://twitter.com/gelles/status/1131657239658467333
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New indictment says Manafort tried to sell a Trump cabinet job for millions in bribe money
Stephen Calk allegedly tried to pull Manafort's financial strings in order to join the White House. Calk now faces a maximum of 30 years in prison. Only Republicans will mourn his passing into jail, but only if you shove their faces in it with all your might, then stomp on their heads with boots. Otherwise, they will be blissfully unaware.
A bombshell indictment released Thursday from the Justice Department detailed how banker Stephen Calk tried to use his financial ties to former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort to bribe his way into the Trump administration.
According to the indictment, Calk has been charged with “financial institution bribery” for trying to use his position as the head of The Federal Savings Bank of Chicago, which issued “millions of dollars in high-risk loans” to Manafort, to obtain “a senior position” for himself within the Trump administration.
If you want to read more about the consequences of the Mueller investigation, the actual indictment is here: https://thinkprogress.org/new-indictment-says-manaforts-banker-tried-t
o-bribe-his-way-into-trump-administration-04c54d29bd84/
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In due time folks. Trump lost three court cases in his attempt to block the investigation into him this week. That was fast. It's still a win win if he dies of a thousand cuts heading into the next election.
Then the trials begin. tick tock...
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Quote:LOLing our way to the gulag:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
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Trump Implied James Comey Should Be Executed for Treason and Everyone Was Like, “Ha Ha, Classic Trump”
On Thursday in the Oval Office, an NBC reporter noted to Trump that treason is punishable by death and then asked him who he felt, specifically, had committed treason in the course of the Russia investigation. The president responded by naming four FBI officials — former director James Comey, former deputy director Andrew McCabe, and former agents Peter Strzok and Lisa Page — who’d been involved in the case.
And that was it! Twitter was briefly incredulous, a few articles were posted, but for the most part it was not considered really newsworthy that the POTUS had casually tossed out the idea of executing the FBI’s previous leadership team.
Trump says the investigation into his campaign’s connections to Russia, the one that was launched by the FBI and later carried out by Robert Mueller’s special counsel’s office, was illegitimate. To put his objections as coherently as possible, he says the inquiry was not properly “predicated” — that it was created, without an adequate basis of evidence, in order to damage him politically. If you read the Mueller report, you can see that this is not true — that there were all sorts of suspicious interactions between Russians and Trump campaign figures happening at the same time that Russia was carrying out an intelligence operation against his opponent — but it’s what Trump says. He claims the inquiry was unprecedented in American history (dubious — Spiro Agnew was successfully investigated for bribery-related tax evasion while he was vice president) and that it was treasonous (also no — treason is waging war against the U.S. or helping one of its enemies.)
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Quote:6ix and the public at large are accustomed to the president suggesting things that are clearly inappropriate or illegal, all the time, which get written off as hyperbole, except he often follows through on them, just as he’s reportedly about to follow through on his frequent rhetorical celebration of war crimes by pardoning a group of convicted and accused war criminals.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
LOL
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Don’t kill me for saying this (hahahahaha), but I feel like this is a sad state of affairs.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/trump-war-crime-pardons-ca
mpaign-promises.html
The evidence suggests he believes that the U.S. should intentionally engage in war crimes. During the 2016 campaign, for example, Trump said that:
• The U.S. should “torture” terrorism suspects via techniques including waterboarding and other practices “a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.”
• The U.S. should execute Muslim prisoners of war using bullets dipped in pigs’ blood.
• The U.S. should have seized Iraq’s oil reserves after conquering the country.
• The U.S. should target and kill the family members of suspected terrorists.
All you really have to do to figure out how the president wants U.S. service members to behave is to listen to the words that come out of his mouth. LOL, 6ix.
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In 1974, I was puzzled by why Nixon's disapproval rating when he resigned did not increase to 100%, instead staying at Trump's present day level. Since then I have learned that many Americans never did understand what was wrong with Nixon. I have also learned that many cannot understand what "wrong" means in real life, which sure as hell explains a lot about America.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/adults/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rati
ng
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SECONRATE is still stuck in the first stage of grief: denial.
As a reminder of what this thread is about:
MUELLER INVESTAGATION [SIC] IS OVER
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Quote:Trump is playing games now that he is investigating the Mueller probe. This won't end well . . . for Trump.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECONRATE is still stuck in the first stage of grief: denial.
As a reminder of what this thread is about:
MUELLER INVESTAGATION [SIC] IS OVER
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/445515-five-takeaways-fro
m-barrs-new-powers-in-spying-probe
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This won't end well . . . for Trump.
Did anybody else just have an episode of Deja Vu?
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Quote:Are you expecting a bullet in Trump's heart to signal that his reign did not go as he promised? You won't get such a clear denouncement. That only happens on fantasy TV series where the writers make it very clear to the dumbest members in the audience (6ix and Signym) what happened. Game of Thrones had the evil queen knifed in the heart by her lover a moment before she sits down upon the Iron Throne. Melania won't kill Trump in the White House bedroom to signal the end of Trump's reign and the start of Mike Pence's. With Trump, his administration will get more and more chaotic until the dizzy old fool falls down exhausted. His voters won't understand what happened. They will blame the Democrats rather than Trump and shout "Treason!"
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Originally posted by second:
This won't end well . . . for Trump.
Did anybody else just have an episode of Deja Vu?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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The move affords Barr considerable new powers to view and potentially release highly classified material gathered by the FBI and CIA in the course of the Russia investigation.
“As far as I know, it is unprecedented for the president to delegate his authority to declassify to somebody who is not the original classifier,” said Steven Cash, an ex-CIA officer and former chief counsel to Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.).
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“He’s now in the chain of command with respect to classification between the president and Coats or Haspel or whoever’s information it is,” added Cash, who is now an attorney specializing in national security law at the law firm Day Pitney.
Trump’s move also reflects the growing trust he has in Barr, who has earned praise from the president as a result of his handling of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report and decision to open up an inquiry into the origins of the Russia investigation.
The new declassification powers are limited to materials related to Barr’s inquiry into the Russia probe. The memo released Thursday states that the powers will terminate when Barr leaves his post and will not extend to the next attorney general.
Potential for conflict with intelligence community
Trump is no stranger to conflict with U.S. intelligence agencies, and former officials say his latest move could put the intelligence chiefs in a difficult position.
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While it’s not unusual for the intelligence community to cooperate with law enforcement investigations, some former officials say it will become problematic if Trump is seen as using the agencies to go after his political enemies.
John Sipher, a retired member of the CIA’s clandestine service, said it could create problems for Haspel and others if the president looks to “scapegoat” officials who collected intelligence that formed the basis for the Russia investigation.
“Hopefully, Barr and people in the national security structure of Justice go about this in a standard way. They can get the information they need,” Sipher said. “If he himself is trying to get specific information to be used by the president for political purposes, then he’s really being irresponsible.”
Some also say that even the threat of declassifying materials could chill existing intelligence sources and make it difficult to cultivate new ones going forward. Foreign partners may also be wary of sending intelligence to the U.S. if they think it could ultimately be made public.
It is unclear to what extent the intelligence agencies were consulted before Thursday’s announcement.
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Coats said in a statement Friday afternoon he would provide Barr with the “appropriate information” in his review. He also expressed confidence the attorney general would work with the intelligence community “in accordance with the long-established standards to protect highly-sensitive classified information that, if publicly released, would put our national security at risk.”
An FBI spokesperson declined to comment, and a CIA spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment.
Barr’s use of the term “spying” has already put him at odds with FBI Director Christopher Wray, who told lawmakers during testimony earlier this month that he wouldn’t use that term to describe lawful FBI investigations. Wray also said he had no evidence “personally” that FBI agents illegally surveilled the Trump campaign.
At the same time, Wray described Barr’s review as appropriate and said he had been in “fairly close contact” with the attorney general to assist him.
Democratic fury meets Republican praise
Democrats, already critical of Barr’s handling of Mueller’s findings, have accused Trump and the attorney general of attempting to politicize the nation’s intelligence apparatus. Some suggested the administration may be looking to selectively release classified material to shape a false narrative.
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) described Trump’s order in a statement Friday as a "corrupt escalation of the Pre
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Are you expecting a bullet in Trump's heart to signal that his reign did not go as he promised? You won't get such a clear denouncement. That only happens on fantasy TV series where the writers make it very clear to the dumbest members in the audience (6ix and Signym) what happened. Game of Thrones had the evil queen knifed in the heart by her lover a moment before she sits down upon the Iron Throne. Melania won't kill Trump in the White House bedroom to signal the end of Trump's reign and the start of Mike Pence's. With Trump, his administration will get more and more chaotic until the dizzy old fool falls down exhausted. His voters won't understand what happened. They will blame the Democrats rather than Trump and shout "Treason!"
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
This won't end well . . . for Trump.
Did anybody else just have an episode of Deja Vu?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Goes on to signal that Trump's end won't be written like a stupid TV show, written for stupid people.
Follows it up with details of a stupid TV show written for stupid people, without the courtesy of even a spoiler alert.
Sorry. I have no idea what characters or events you're referencing in this Game of Thrones show you're talking about, stupid.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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What I gather from the article that SECONDRATE linked is that the Democrats are shitting bricks because the "intelligence" agencies can no longer keep secret any malfeasnace that they may have been engaged in with Obama, Hillary, MI6, Ukraine and who-knows-who-else.
That's it SIGGY! You've done it! You've cracked the case wide open.
Finally, the utter and sheer arrogance of the DEEP STATE will be forever
and permanently exposed to the world. Finally the Dems will pay for their
villainy and treachery. Well, it had to happen sooner or later. There's no
denying it.
Finally the Trumpsters will have their wet dreams come true. Finally they can
truly say "Lock Them Up" and mean it. All will be exposed, all will be revealed. The $100 dollar bill will have Trump's face on it, and the $50 dollar bill will have that champion of champions.....Bill Barr. What a hero!
Gone will be the admiration people falsely have for Obama and greatly replaced
with that Genius of all Geniuses, Donnie Jay. Or is it, Supreme Leader!?
Yeah, Democracy totally fucked up. And now, they must pay the piper.
The nightmare is about to - you fill in the blank.
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Hey SGG, whatever happened to that post of mine that you said you were going to unpack?
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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That's it SIGGY! You've done it! You've cracked the case wide open.
Was that a My Cousin Vinny quote? It sounded like a My Cousin Vinnie quote.
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Finally, the utter and sheer arrogance of the DEEP STATE will be forever
and permanently exposed to the world. Finally the Dems will pay for their
villainy and treachery. Well, it had to happen sooner or later. There's no
denying it.
I might be wrong, but I don't think that Sigs has ever said that the Deep State was a Democrat party thing. I would argue her on that if it was her belief.
Sure... Obama and the Clintons were Deep State friendly, but so were the Bushes.
Trump at least seemed to be a sort of wildcard that didn't seem associated or to have been in the pockets of anyone. (I mean, that is, if you didn't buy into the whole Russia/Putin narrative anyhow).
That may or may not have been true, but that was at least the way everything seemed in 2016 and the 24/7 media onslaught by multi-national owned news outlets ever since would seem to at least keep up the illusion that he's not a part of it.
I'd say that only time will tell, but, yanno... history is written by the winners. I can't really recall when the American Working Class as a whole has been a winner, at least in my life.
No matter what the history books end up saying about this era of American History, I'm going to take it with a grain of salt. 50 years later they're going to re-write it again anyhow, so I figure no point in dwelling on it too much.
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Oh yeeaaaahhhh. That little bit of genius diatribe. Soon come.
sgg
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Hey SGG, whatever happened to that post of mine that you said you were going to unpack?
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Was that a My Cousin Vinny quote? It sounded like a My Cousin Vinnie quote.
Very good Jack, very good.
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I might be wrong, but I don't think that Sigs has ever said that the Deep State was a Democrat party thing. I would argue her on that if it was her belief.
I may be wrong but, neither have I; never uttered a word about Dems being Deep State or that Sigs ever said that.
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Sure... Obama and the Clintons were Deep State friendly, but so were the Bushes.
But of course you would say that; plus the very next sentence.......
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Trump at least seemed to be a sort of wildcard that didn't seem associated or to have been in the pockets of anyone. (I mean, that is, if you didn't buy into the whole Russia/Putin narrative anyhow).
Of course you would say that he's NOT associated with anyone; or more correctly, that it didn't "seem" to be so. "Seemed" being the key word.
Not wanting to put words into anyone's mouth here, but I don't buy into anything. Common sense and the obvious behavior patterns, those are my keys.
Well, at least when it comes to simplistic narcissistic-like denials. As far
as Obama/Bush/Clinton is concerned; well we all know their guilty. That's
a given. Only Trump is completely pure and clean. As clean as the preachers sheets, of course.
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That may or may not have been true, but that was at least the way everything seemed in 2016 and the 24/7 media onslaught by multi-national owned news outlets ever since would seem to at least keep up the illusion that he's not a part of it.
There goes that word "seemed" again. Funny how that keeps cropping up to give
the festivities a Whiter Shade of Pale. All media conservative or otherwise,
all succumb to "seem" "seemed"....ALL. Nobody walks away unscathed. Illusion Jack is the name of the game. Everyone plays and the working stiff is both
the prize and the victim...all play; all except Trump...he's obviously on the
side of the working stiff. Hence the Tax break for the wealthy. Eventually it
will trickle down to the poor stiff groveling in the muck and mud for scraps.
Obviously that's his plan.
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No matter what the history books end up saying about this era of American History, I'm going to take it with a grain of salt. 50 years later they're going to re-write it again anyhow, so I figure no point in dwelling on it too much.
Yeah, that's what they want. Me, I'll fight thank you very much. Fuck them.
All of them.
But don't dwell on it too much Jack.
SGG
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SGG, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and tell you that you SEEM to be arguing with the voices in your head, just like SECONDRATE and REAVERBOT and TWITCHY and the rest.
You (all) SEEM to think that I trust Trump, and that if you bring up yet one MORE outrageous example of a Trumpism that the scales will fall from my eyes and that I'll see "the truth"!
So, Trump had sharp business dealings?
Trump is uncouth?
Trump is a loose cannon?
Trump is screwing the working person?
Really?
So what?
Are you telling me anything that I didn't know already?
WHO was it told you that Trump represented "American" elite, versus the "globalist" elite? Who was it that compared the election to a bunch of Mafia dons vying for power? Did I ever post that Trump was going to fix the economy, help the average American, or improve the environment?
More importantly, what are YOU going to do about it? Are you going to rage bitterly against one elitist, then fall for the next one that comes along because they promise you stuff or becaue they were "against" the first elitist?
If you really want to start FIXING the problem and not just react to it, over and over again like Groundhog Day, you have to first figure out what the problem IS (HINT: It's not just Trump,)
So, what is the problem?
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Was that a My Cousin Vinny quote? It sounded like a My Cousin Vinnie quote.
Very good Jack, very good.Quote:
I might be wrong, but I don't think that Sigs has ever said that the Deep State was a Democrat party thing. I would argue her on that if it was her belief.
I may be wrong but, neither have I; never uttered a word about Dems being Deep State or that Sigs ever said that.Quote:
Sure... Obama and the Clintons were Deep State friendly, but so were the Bushes.
But of course you would say that; plus the very next sentence.......Quote:
Trump at least seemed to be a sort of wildcard that didn't seem associated or to have been in the pockets of anyone. (I mean, that is, if you didn't buy into the whole Russia/Putin narrative anyhow).
Of course you would say that he's NOT associated with anyone; or more correctly, that it didn't "seem" to be so. "Seemed" being the key word.
Not wanting to put words into anyone's mouth here, but I don't buy into anything. Common sense and the obvious behavior patterns, those are my keys.
Well, at least when it comes to simplistic narcissistic-like denials. As far
as Obama/Bush/Clinton is concerned; well we all know their guilty. That's
a given. Only Trump is completely pure and clean. As clean as the preachers sheets, of course.Quote:
That may or may not have been true, but that was at least the way everything seemed in 2016 and the 24/7 media onslaught by multi-national owned news outlets ever since would seem to at least keep up the illusion that he's not a part of it.
There goes that word "seemed" again. Funny how that keeps cropping up to give
the festivities a Whiter Shade of Pale. All media conservative or otherwise,
all succumb to "seem" "seemed"....ALL. Nobody walks away unscathed. Illusion Jack is the name of the game. Everyone plays and the working stiff is both
the prize and the victim...all play; all except Trump...he's obviously on the
side of the working stiff. Hence the Tax break for the wealthy. Eventually it
will trickle down to the poor stiff groveling in the muck and mud for scraps.
Obviously that's his plan.Quote:
No matter what the history books end up saying about this era of American History, I'm going to take it with a grain of salt. 50 years later they're going to re-write it again anyhow, so I figure no point in dwelling on it too much.
Yeah, that's what they want. Me, I'll fight thank you very much. Fuck them.
All of them.
But don't dwell on it too much Jack.
SGG
Yeah. I did use "seem" a lot.
It was intentional, which apparently went right by you.
He could very well be just another part of the Bush/Obama/Clinton cancer that's been running this nation for 7/8th's of my life now.
I don't trust any of them. I don't trust anybody who works for any of them. I don't trust any politicians. I don't trust the media who reports on them. I'm of the belief that the whole lot of them are working for Global interests and the future of America and the American people are not their primary focus or concern.
All I know is that none of them wanted Trump to be president, and to this day they still don't. Or at least it SEEMS that way.
And with no other apparent alternative at this point. What SEEMS to be is the best alternative currently.
I didn't vote for, and I don't still currently support Trump for what he IS. I did so and still do for what he SEEMS not to be.
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A Cautionary Tale....What is Sigs RANTING about?
"We" mustn't get all excited now. Must "we?"
"We" must take "our" medication and go sleepy bye.
Shhhh, Sigs must calm the fuck down.
Nighty, night....
sgg
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SGG, you think that was a "rant"?
It was series of questions. How can a series of questions be a rant? I seem to have a hard time posting to you without you ascribing some emotion to them that isn't there.
So, how about going to that last post which you seem to have understood, the one that you said you were going to unpack? Have you thought about the places that sounded to you like nails on a chalkboard, and figured out what's so discordant about them?
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Yeah. I did use "seem" a lot.
It was intentional, which apparently went right by you.
Oh, did it now!? So me pointing that out to you, that's what you call it
going "right by" me. Hmmm, well now, that's interesting. Intentional? Really?
Well, you did write it. I'll give you that one.
Nothing gets by me.........see?
Drax knows. Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha
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He could very well be just another part of the Bush/Obama/Clinton cancer that's been running this nation for 7/8th's of my life now.
The "rain in Spain" dude!
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I don't trust any of them. I don't trust anybody who works for any of them. I don't trust any politicians. I don't trust the media who reports on them. I'm of the belief that the whole lot of them are working for Global interests and the future of America and the American people are not their primary focus or concern.
Trust no one
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All I know is that none of them wanted Trump to be president, and to this day they still don't. Or at least it SEEMS that way.
Like that really matters.
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And with no other apparent alternative at this point. What SEEMS to be is the best alternative currently.
I didn't vote for, and I don't still currently support Trump for what he IS. I did so and still do for what he SEEMS not to be.
Oh, suddenly.........it all makes sense now. You didn't vote for him, but you support him, but it only SEEMS like you're supporting him, and so, he's the
best of all the Globalists.
Got it!
Apparently, we're done.
Phew! Why of course, any fool can follow that.
sgg
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I'm OK, you're OK.......it's allllright!
it'll soon be over.
Sigs, patience the last two brain cells I have left are in convo!
sgg
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SGG, you think that was a "rant"?
It was series of questions. How can a series of questions be a rant? I seem to have a hard time posting to you without you ascribing some emotion to them that isn't there.
So, how about going to that last post which you seem to have understood, the one that you said you were going to unpack? Have you thought about the places that sounded to you like nails on a chalkboard, and figured out what's so discordant about them?
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Yeah. I did use "seem" a lot.
It was intentional, which apparently went right by you.
Oh, did it now!? So me pointing that out to you, that's what you call it
going "right by" me. Hmmm, well now, that's interesting. Intentional? Really?
Well, you did write it. I'll give you that one.
Nothing gets by me.........see?
The fact that I used it didn't go by you. The reason that I used it, however, did.
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He could very well be just another part of the Bush/Obama/Clinton cancer that's been running this nation for 7/8th's of my life now.
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The "rain in Spain" dude!
Okay?
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I don't trust any of them. I don't trust anybody who works for any of them. I don't trust any politicians. I don't trust the media who reports on them. I'm of the belief that the whole lot of them are working for Global interests and the future of America and the American people are not their primary focus or concern.
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Trust no one
Trust is earned.
I can't think of any politicians or reporters out there in 2019 who can say with a straight face that they've done so.
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All I know is that none of them wanted Trump to be president, and to this day they still don't. Or at least it SEEMS that way.
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Like that really matters.
Doesn't it? The politicians who have been flushing the country down the drain for the last 4 decades and the media members who have been cheer leading them on the whole way don't want him in there?
I think it does.
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And with no other apparent alternative at this point. What SEEMS to be is the best alternative currently.
I didn't vote for, and I don't still currently support Trump for what he IS. I did so and still do for what he SEEMS not to be.
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Oh, suddenly.........it all makes sense now. You didn't vote for him, but you support him, but it only SEEMS like you're supporting him, and so, he's the
best of all the Globalists.
Got it!
Apparently, we're done.
Phew! Why of course, any fool can follow that.
Maybe I wrote that wrong. I won't blame that one on you, although when I re-read the whole quote, it doesn't look like I was trying to say that I didn't vote for Trump.
I DID vote for him. I've never claimed otherwise.
He SEEMS not to be a Globalist. He SEEMS to be a Nationalist. And I know that Nationalism has become a bad word for the left in recent years, but the more that people in the media and on the political left conflate the word Nationalism with racism, the more I'm going to dig in my heels and tell them to go fuck themselves.
It appears that I'm not alone in that sentiment.
It took a few years longer than I expected to, but the Globalist Europhiles are getting flushed out of Europe at a record pace in 2019 as well.
Better late than never.
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T
tick tock people, tick tock
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"Can't charge a sitting president - unconstitutional."
Sorry T - I'm not feeling very positive about this. Mueller was the last adult with any leverage over lyin' Donnie Dump's cheatin' ways. With this statement straight from Mueller, Trump's going to feel even more emboldened - might even go on a law breaking binge. "I told you I could shoot someone on 5th avenue in broad daylight and get away with it!"
And the Dems wouldn't do sh*t about any of this anyway. They love their cushy jobs as much as the Republi-f*cks do.
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"Can't charge a sitting president - unconstitutional."
Sorry T - I'm not feeling very positive about this. Mueller was the last adult with any leverage over lyin' Donnie Dump's cheatin' ways. With this statement straight from Mueller, Trump's going to feel even more emboldened - might even go on a law breaking binge. "I told you I could shoot someone on 5th avenue in broad daylight and get away with it!"
And the Dems wouldn't do sh*t about any of this anyway. They love their cushy jobs as much as the Republi-f*cks do.
Watch it again G. He strongly refutes Barrs statements regarding the report. He states unequivocally that it is not within the justice departments jurisdiction to charge a sitting president. This contradicts Barr's accretion to congress that it was up to Mueller to charge Trump if there was evidence of a crime.
He made it clear that if he could exonerate the president of wrong doing he would. He said he could not.
He made it clear that while he could not find enough evidence to show the president conspired with the russians, there is a lot of evidence of obstruction, i.e. coverup. Also, remember the obstruction detailed in his report states that evidence was destroyed. Evidence that perhaps showed conspiracy with the Russians. That many questioned lied regarding this.
He effetely erased Trump and Barr's deflections regarding all this since the report came out. He wiped the slate clean. We are back to relying on the report and what congress is capable of doing with it.
tick tock
T
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The most important line in Wednesday’s Robert Mueller statement: “If we had confidence that the president clearly did NOT commit a crime, we would have said that.” He did commit a crime, but I can't say that is what Mueller meant.
More at www.vox.com/2019/5/29/18644249/robert-mueller-statement-trump-special-
counsel-obstruction
Full transcript of Robert Mueller’s remarks at surprise news conference on Wednesday
www.vox.com/2019/5/29/18644237/robert-mueller-remarks-transcript
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The most important line in Wednesday’s Robert Mueller statement: “If we had confidence that the president clearly did NOT commit a crime, we would have said that.” He did commit a crime, but I can't say that is what Mueller meant.
He said the evidence wasn't there to charge conspiracy but strongly suggested it is there concerning obstruction. What he did is to give congress a kick in the ass for their inaction in front of the country. When congress is back in Washington there will be a lot more pressure to act in a more determined way.
T
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To both T and second: it doesn't matter what Mueller said if no one takes any action. It doesn't matter. Sorry, but that's been the pattern from even before that election. What happened to those bribes/payouts to silence the women he had affairs with? Campaign Fraud! So? Nothing. Guys - we know he's a lying sack of sh*t and a criminal on the order of a mafia Don - that's REALLY OLD NEWS. We also know it's never been much of an occupational hazard *legally* for him yet. He always wriggles out. Put me down as a serious skeptic and in the I'll believe it when I see it group.
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To both T and second: it doesn't matter what Mueller said if no one takes any action. It doesn't matter. Sorry, but that's been the pattern from even before that election. What happened to those bribes/payouts to silence the women he had affairs with? Campaign Fraud! So? Nothing. Guys - we know he's a lying sack of sh*t and a criminal on the order of a mafia Don - that's REALLY OLD NEWS. We also know it's never been much of an occupational hazard *legally* for him yet. He always wriggles out. Put me down as a serious skeptic and in the I'll believe it when I see it group.
Nope G, the country won't stand for it now that Mueller came forward and made it clear the president and Barr lied to them. As for all the other things you've pointed out. It's the same justice department that Mueller stated can't indict a sitting president that has to wait until Trumps leaves office to prosecute.
A buck says you're wrong. This shit is going to start moving at a more determined pace. Everyone knows if you keep one foot on the dock and one foot on the boat you end up in the water.
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Quote:The calculation has not changed since Election Day in 2016: Republican Senators will not oppose Trump because they fear losing elections. Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee and Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona did not run again because of Trump. Corker and Flake hinted a few nasty things about Trump, but they didn't vote in any way to slow him down. The other Republican Senators are even more cowardly. The only way Trump leaves is by losing the 2020 election and the Democrats can help the voters to decide by digging into Trump's tax cheating. That is straightforward enough. The way Trump is acting, he is as guilty as hell of tax fraud.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
To both T and second: it doesn't matter what Mueller said if no one takes any action. It doesn't matter. Sorry, but that's been the pattern from even before that election. What happened to those bribes/payouts to silence the women he had affairs with? Campaign Fraud! So? Nothing. Guys - we know he's a lying sack of sh*t and a criminal on the order of a mafia Don - that's REALLY OLD NEWS. We also know it's never been much of an occupational hazard *legally* for him yet. He always wriggles out. Put me down as a serious skeptic and in the I'll believe it when I see it group.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:The calculation has not changed since Election Day in 2016: Republican Senators will not oppose Trump because they fear losing elections. Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee and Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona did not run again because of Trump. Corker and Flake hinted a few nasty things about Trump, but they didn't vote in any way to slow him down. The other Republican Senators are even more cowardly. The only way Trump leaves is by losing the 2020 election and the Democrats can help the voters to decide by digging into Trump's tax cheating. That is straightforward enough. The way Trump is acting, he is as guilty as hell of tax fraud.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
To both T and second: it doesn't matter what Mueller said if no one takes any action. It doesn't matter. Sorry, but that's been the pattern from even before that election. What happened to those bribes/payouts to silence the women he had affairs with? Campaign Fraud! So? Nothing. Guys - we know he's a lying sack of sh*t and a criminal on the order of a mafia Don - that's REALLY OLD NEWS. We also know it's never been much of an occupational hazard *legally* for him yet. He always wriggles out. Put me down as a serious skeptic and in the I'll believe it when I see it group.
It doesn't depend on the way the senate will vote today. It depends on Trumps approval ratings when the time comes.
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Quote:Remember Trump shutting down the government over the Texas/Mexico Wall? Congress could have overridden Trump in a day, but it didn't because more than half of them are sniveling cowards, afraid of the consequences. The cowards are still there and they are even more frightened of removing Trump from office. They won't do it, no matter what comes out about Trump. But the voters might remove Trump if some of the voters come to their senses.
Originally posted by THG:
It doesn't depend on the way the senate will vote today. It depends on Trumps approval ratings when the time comes.
T
There is cartoon out this week about the spinelessness of Congress:
www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/27/1860100/-Cartoon-Tomorrow-s-news-to
day
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Originally posted by THG:
It doesn't depend on the way the senate will vote today. It depends on Trumps approval ratings when the time comes.
Remember Trump shutting down the government over the Texas/Mexico Wall? Congress could have overridden Trump in a day, but it didn't because more than half of them are sniveling cowards, afraid of the consequences. The cowards are still there and they are even more frightened of removing Trump from office. They won't do it, no matter what comes out about Trump. But the voters might remove Trump if some of the voters come to their senses.
There is cartoon out this week about the spinelessness of Congress:
www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/27/1860100/-Cartoon-Tomorrow-s-news-to
day
I have seen opinions shift as more is made public. I'm not convinced it won't happen.
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A former aide to longtime Republican political operative Roger Stone has agreed to testify before the grand jury first used in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe.
Andrew Miller’s attorney confirmed to Fox News Wednesday that he is scheduled to appear Friday before the grand jury in Washington at 9:30 a.m. ET.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-roger-stone-associate-a
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And the Dems wouldn't do sh*t about any of this anyway. They love their cushy jobs as much as the Republi-f*cks do.
Hey. Now you're getting it.
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Quote:Remember the Iraq War? When there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction found? Remember the fiasco during the Iraq Insurgency (2003–06)? Bush lost a few points in popularity because he was a liar and incompetent Commander-in-Chief but nothing happened to him. He got reelected when he should have been impeached for what he had done.
Originally posted by THG:
I have seen opinions shift as more is made public. I'm not convinced it won't happen.
T
Bush's popularity declined between 2001 and 2004. Foreign policy was the dominant theme throughout the election campaign, particularly Bush's conduct of the War on Terrorism and the aftermath of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Bush presented himself as a decisive leader and attacked Kerry as a "flip-flopper", while Kerry criticized Bush's conduct of the Iraq War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_presidential_election
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Mueller is faithfully following DOJ policy, but the DOJ policy is just plain wrong. Mueller says that a president can be investigated but neither indicted nor accused. And his argument for not accusing him of a crime is that it would be “unfair” to accuse someone who does not have a courtroom to protest his or her innocence. But that is completely absurd: The president doesn’t have a courtroom to vindicate his innocence only because the DOJ has decided that his office makes him immune from indictment in the first place. It’s a piece of circular reasoning that removes the president from the scope of generally applicable criminal laws.
If the president were to commit a violent federal crime, it would be absurd for the DOJ to remain silent on the matter simply because the president couldn’t be charged.
There is nothing in the Constitution that states that a sitting president cannot be indicted. Language from the Clinton v. Jones and US v. Nixon cases indicates that the president is not above the law.
www.vox.com/2019/5/29/18644304/robert-mueller-statement-donald-trump-r
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You're right Second, it is absurd reasoning. But here's the scoop on what Mueller was talking about:
You're right, there is NO law that says you can't indict a sitting president.
It is a "memo" within the DOJ that says that...a memo. There is, however, in Article 1, a Constitutional law that charges Congress with oversight authority to keep the president in check. Part of the checks and balances written into the Constitution - THE law of the land. That check on the president is the authority to Impeach.
Article 1, Section 2, Clause 5 grants Congress the sole power of Impeachment.
Article 1, Section 3, Clause 6 grants the Senate sole power to try all impeachments. You know, the "high crimes and misdemeanors" clause.
The Chief justice shall preside. But a two thirds vote is needed to convict.
Perhaps that is why Pelosi is reluctant to impeach, because McConnell will stifle any attempt to impeach Trump. The Senate, in control by Republicans,
are kissing Trump's ring. Mueller's report is clear, the president is a criminal.
My take on this: impeach him and put the ball in the Senate's court. If the evidence is solid, then drop the hot potato on their lap. Then we'll see what happens in 2020.
SGG
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Originally posted by second:
Mueller is faithfully following DOJ policy, but the DOJ policy is just plain wrong. Mueller says that a president can be investigated but neither indicted nor accused. And his argument for not accusing him of a crime is that it would be “unfair” to accuse someone who does not have a courtroom to protest his or her innocence. But that is completely absurd: The president doesn’t have a courtroom to vindicate his innocence only because the DOJ has decided that his office makes him immune from indictment in the first place. It’s a piece of circular reasoning that removes the president from the scope of generally applicable criminal laws.
If the president were to commit a violent federal crime, it would be absurd for the DOJ to remain silent on the matter simply because the president couldn’t be charged.
There is nothing in the Constitution that states that a sitting president cannot be indicted. Language from the Clinton v. Jones and US v. Nixon cases indicates that the president is not above the law.
www.vox.com/2019/5/29/18644304/robert-mueller-statement-donald-trump-r
ussia
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Mueller also strongly rebuked Barr. Of course, he did it in polite lawyer-speak. Barr may very well be impeached as well.
SGG
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Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The most important line in Wednesday’s Robert Mueller statement: “If we had confidence that the president clearly did NOT commit a crime, we would have said that.” He did commit a crime, but I can't say that is what Mueller meant.
He said the evidence wasn't there to charge conspiracy but strongly suggested it is there concerning obstruction. What he did is to give congress a kick in the ass for their inaction in front of the country. When congress is back in Washington there will be a lot more pressure to act in a more determined way.
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump tweeted this morning:
Russia, Russia, Russia! That’s all you heard at the beginning of this Witch Hunt Hoax...And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected. It was a crime that didn’t exist. So now the Dems and their partner, the Fake News Media, say he fought back against this phony crime that didn’t exist, this horrendous false acquisition, and he shouldn’t fight back, he should just sit back and take it. Could this be Obstruction? No, Mueller didn’t find Obstruction either. Presidential Harassment!
4:38 AM - 30 May 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1134066371510378501
What did Mueller say to piss-off Trump? In a 9 minute statement Robert Mueller Destroyed Trump's claim that Russia's attack on our election in 2016 was a "hoax" and that Trump was exonerated of all crimes. Instead Mueller reminded us Russia helped Trump win and he was barred from charging Trump with crimes:
Let me begin where the appointment order begins: and that is interference in the 2016 presidential election.
As alleged by the grand jury in an indictment, Russian intelligence officers who were part of the Russian military launched a concerted attack on our political system. The indictment alleges that they used sophisticated cyber techniques to hack into computers and networks used by the Clinton campaign. They stole private information, and then released that information through fake online identities and through the organization WikiLeaks. The releases were designed and timed to interfere with our election and to damage a presidential candidate.
www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/05/29/mueller-read-his-comme
nts-russia-trump-lack-charges/1270761001/
Trump made a liar, liar, pants on fire claim that millions of illegal votes cost him a popular vote victory. He never retracted the lie although he had an investigation that proved he is a liar.
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/nov/28/donald-trump/d
onald-trumps-pants-fire-claim-millions-illegal-vo/
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Originally posted by second:
As alleged by the grand jury in an indictment, Russian intelligence officers who were part of the Russian military launched a concerted attack on our political system. The indictment alleges that they used sophisticated cyber techniques to hack into computers and networks used by the Clinton campaign. They stole private information, and then released that information through fake online identities and through the organization WikiLeaks. The releases were designed and timed to interfere with our election and to damage a presidential candidate.
Let's nobody forget that at the end of the day when the Clinton campaign was made aware that their illegal server was compromised that they proceeded to bleach the system and take hammers to all of their smart phones.
Let's also not forget that John Podesta's creepy ass e-mails weren't hacked at all, but they were downloaded from his phone that he left in a taxi cab.
We still haven't been presented with any actual proof that any hacking came out of Russia. Just because it's in an official document that hasn't gone anywhere, it's still one man's word with zero evidence provided.
But to play the devil's advocate, let's just forget all that and say that somebody in Russia was responsible for the hacking.
So what?
If Clinton hadn't been doing anything illegal in the first place, then she had nothing to worry about. I feel whoever released the data to Wikileaks did the American people a service, whoever it was and regardless of what their motives were.
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Quote:6ixStringJack, none of your crap is illegal. You know it. Trump knows it. Neither of you've got anything on the Democrats or else there would be indictments. But there are 100 indictments against Republicans, Russians, Trump's lawyer, Trump's campaign manager. You said only yesterday you'd stop commenting on my posts. Keep your word.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Let's nobody forget that at the end of the day when the Clinton campaign was made aware that their illegal server was compromised that they proceeded to bleach the system and take hammers to all of their smart phones.
Let's also not forget that John Podesta's creepy ass e-mails weren't hacked at all, but they were downloaded from his phone that he left in a taxi cab.
We still haven't been presented with any actual proof that any hacking came out of Russia. Just because it's in an official document that hasn't gone anywhere, it's still one man's word with zero evidence provided.
But to play the devil's advocate, let's just forget all that and say that somebody in Russia was responsible for the hacking.
So what?
If Clinton hadn't been doing anything illegal in the first place, then she had nothing to worry about. I feel whoever released the data to Wikileaks did the American people a service, whoever it was.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by second:Quote:6ixStringJack, none of your crap is illegal. You know it. Trump knows it. Neither of you've got anything on the Democrats or else there would be indictments. But there are 100 indictments against Republicans, Russians, Trump's lawyer, Trump's campaign manager. You said only yesterday you'd stop commenting on my posts. Keep your word.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Let's nobody forget that at the end of the day when the Clinton campaign was made aware that their illegal server was compromised that they proceeded to bleach the system and take hammers to all of their smart phones.
Let's also not forget that John Podesta's creepy ass e-mails weren't hacked at all, but they were downloaded from his phone that he left in a taxi cab.
We still haven't been presented with any actual proof that any hacking came out of Russia. Just because it's in an official document that hasn't gone anywhere, it's still one man's word with zero evidence provided.
But to play the devil's advocate, let's just forget all that and say that somebody in Russia was responsible for the hacking.
So what?
If Clinton hadn't been doing anything illegal in the first place, then she had nothing to worry about. I feel whoever released the data to Wikileaks did the American people a service, whoever it was.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I never made any promises. I'm certainly not going to stop arguing my beliefs here. I'm just think I'm done replying to your ceaseless insults that litter every post you make these days.
In fact, the part that I quoted wasn't even written by you. I know that can be hard for some people to figure out, since you never use quotes when you're quoting a source. Maybe after you make a post here that was ripped from another site and not properly quoted you believe that you wrote the stuff yourself?
And as for possible indictments against Democrats, specifically the Clintons, only time will tell. Their well known attempt to destroy all the evidence after the fact suggests that they knew full well that they were breaking the law.
And as for the current indictments against Republicans, I'm all on board with it, just like I've said here a hundred times already. I'm not a Republican, and it makes me smile when any politician or bureaucrat goes to jail and/or loses their ill-earned cushy job. Something else I've said a hundred times here already.
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Quote:6ix, you and Trump are compatible. You both can't keep a promise. You can't stop talking. You can't stop whining. You can't solve problems. And you can't pin a crime on the Democrats. I wonder what Trump's lawyer and campaign manager had for breakfast in prison today?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I never made any promises. I'm certainly not going to stop arguing my beliefs here. I'm just think I'm done replying to your ceaseless insults that litter every post you make these days.
In fact, the part that I quoted wasn't even written by you. I know that can be hard for some people to figure out, since you never use quotes when you're quoting a source. Maybe after you make a post here that was ripped from another site and not properly quoted you believe that you wrote the stuff yourself?
And as for possible indictments against Democrats, specifically the Clintons, only time will tell. Their well known attempt to destroy all the evidence after the fact suggests that they knew full well that they were breaking the law.
And as for the current indictments against Republicans, I'm all on board with it, just like I've said here a hundred times already. I'm not a Republican, and it makes me smile when any politician or bureaucrat goes to jail and/or loses their ill-earned cushy job. Something else I've said a hundred times here already.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I checked just a moment ago on Trump. He is whining again: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
Not very Presidential of him, is it? (You can tell which tweets are by his staff. Those are the ones that do make sense and don't complain about how the world is so mean to Trump. The guy is a non-stop complainer. Sad. )
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I'm just think I'm done replying to your ceaseless insults that litter every post you make these days.
Hey! Can I get one of those too, F-head?
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I'm just think I'm done replying to your ceaseless insults that litter every post you make these days.
Hey! Can I get one of those too, F-head?
Stay classy bro.
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Trump attacks Mueller as a 'true never-Trumper' after admitting for first time that Russia helped elect him.
Impeachment is a "dirty filthy disgusting word," the president told reporters. Such a whiny bitch for a President. Sad.
www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-attacks-mueller-true-never
-trumper-after-admitting-first-time-n1011861
Again, Trump is whining @realDonaldTrump
How do you impeach a Republican President for a crime that was committed by the Democrats? WITCH-HUNT!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1133893813611782144
The Democrats didn’t brag about trying to end the investigation to a hostile foreign power: "I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job, I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off." Picture of Trump bragging:
https://twitter.com/RyanHillMI/status/1133898250254200838
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You're right Second, it is absurd reasoning. But here's the scoop on what Mueller was talking about:
You're right, there is NO law that says you can't indict a sitting president.
It is a "memo" within the DOJ that says that...a memo. There is, however, in Article 1, a Constitutional law that charges Congress with oversight authority to keep the president in check. Part of the checks and balances written into the Constitution - THE law of the land. That check on the president is the authority to Impeach.
Article 1, Section 2, Clause 5 grants Congress the sole power of Impeachment.
Article 1, Section 3, Clause 6 grants the Senate sole power to try all impeachments. You know, the "high crimes and misdemeanors" clause.
The Chief justice shall preside. But a two thirds vote is needed to convict.
Perhaps that is why Pelosi is reluctant to impeach, because McConnell will stifle any attempt to impeach Trump. The Senate, in control by Republicans,
are kissing Trump's ring. Mueller's report is clear, the president is a criminal.
My take on this: impeach him and put the ball in the Senate's court. If the evidence is solid, then drop the hot potato on their lap. Then we'll see what happens in 2020.
SGG
Right SGG. Pelosi is trying to get more information out because it helps her to make her case that Trump needs to go. The wait is giving some people gastritis.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I'm just think I'm done replying to your ceaseless insults that litter every post you make these days.
Hey! Can I get one of those too, F-head?
I know G. I keep telling the troll to shoo but trolls never act reasonably.
T
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Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I'm just think I'm done replying to your ceaseless insults that litter every post you make these days.
Hey! Can I get one of those too, F-head?
I know G. I keep telling the troll to shoo but trolls never act reasonably.
T
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
From December 28, 2018...
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
Democrats taking over the house soon. Prepare to be severely disappointed when nothing happens. :)
I predict I am going to make you eat this quote over and over again in the next month and a half. Forget about past that. It will have become redundant by then.
T
Good luck with that.
How long do you get to say tick tock before we can make you eat it?
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Still waiting...
Kinda hungry. I think I'm going to have to get something else to eat. The delivery service around here is totally unreliable.
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The GOP is trying to convince voters to live in a world where Trump can do no wrong. That goal is easy when most of the information voters receive is filtered through conservative media, and not directly from the report itself.
The GOP has sowed distrust in the FBI and in Mueller’s investigation, and deemed it political suicide to question Trump in any way.
The success of this Republican campaign, reflected in conservative media coverage, to protect Trump was best captured by Amash’s own constituent Cathy Garnaat, a Republican, who NBC reported was “surprised to hear there was anything negative in the Mueller report at all about President Trump.”
“I hadn’t heard that before,” she told NBC after the Tuesday town hall. “I’ve mainly listened to conservative news and I hadn’t heard anything negative about that report and President Trump has been exonerated.”
That comment alone cements that Amash, in becoming the first and only Republican to call for impeachment, is fighting against an entire machine — from the elected leaders to sympathetic media outlets.
Outlets like Fox News have played a central role in the Trump presidency. Trump has repeatedly endorsed the network’s coverage, congratulating Fox’s high ratings while calling other outlets “Fake News.” Meanwhile, Trump and Fox News, which has always had a strong read of the conservative base, have had a symbiotic relationship, sharing talking points and a political agenda, so much so that the president has a direct line to the outlets’ pundits and several of the outlet’s contributors now work for his administration. Bill Shine, a veteran Fox News executive, was Trump’s deputy chief of staff until March, when he stepped down to join the Trump campaign.
This dynamic has created two worlds: one where Trump is heroically defending himself against a liberal witch hunt, where there was “no collusion” and “no obstruction” — and the reality, where the nation’s highest law enforcement agency, after a nearly two-year investigation, outlined 10 instances in which Trump may have attempted to obstruct the special counsel’s work, as well as numerous connections the Trump campaign had with foreign actors.
www.vox.com/2019/5/30/18646048/republican-protect-trump-mueller-report
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Quote:The Illegal Server you reference was not from the Clinton Campaign, but from the Secretary of State, in collusion with stuttermonkey Obama.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Let's nobody forget that at the end of the day when the Clinton campaign was made aware that their illegal server was compromised that they proceeded to bleach the system and take hammers to all of their smart phones.
Originally posted:
As alleged by the grand jury in an indictment, Russian intelligence officers who were part of the Russian military launched a concerted attack on our political system. The indictment alleges that they used sophisticated cyber techniques to hack into computers and networks used by the Clinton campaign. They stole private information, and then released that information through fake online identities and through the organization WikiLeaks. The releases were designed and timed to interfere with our election and to damage a presidential candidate.
Let's also not forget that John Podesta's creepy ass e-mails weren't hacked at all, but they were downloaded from his phone that he left in a taxi cab.
We still haven't been presented with any actual proof that any hacking came out of Russia. Just because it's in an official document that hasn't gone anywhere, it's still one man's word with zero evidence provided.
But to play the devil's advocate, let's just forget all that and say that somebody in Russia was responsible for the hacking.
So what?
If Clinton hadn't been doing anything illegal in the first place, then she had nothing to worry about. I feel whoever released the data to Wikileaks did the American people a service, whoever it was and regardless of what their motives were.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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You're right.
My mistake.
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Quote:Stuttermonkey?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The Illegal Server you reference was not from the Clinton Campaign, but from the Secretary of State, in collusion with stuttermonkey Obama.
Right now the Mueller report is just words on a page, and hardly anyone has read them. Congressional testimony, by contrast, is televised, and millions of people will watch. Trump knows well that the only thing that matters is television, and at all costs he wants to prevent people from ever watching testimony about the Mueller report on their TVs. The evidence it contains about Trump’s serial obstruction of justice is pretty obvious, after all.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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