Some Covid-19 thoughts

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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Monday, March 23, 2020 9:32 PM (P)

- if I was someone with bad intentions and hated the US, or any large country - say ISIS, etc - I would be taking notes right about now. To see how much of the world is fubarred over this super easy to transmit virus... crap! How does this not happen again and again?

- drove by our grocery store early last week to mail in my tax docs (we had no intention of leaving the car). We couldn't believe how many people were out an about wandering in and out of the store. "What don't these clowns get about infection?" Drove out yesterday since it was sunny - still no intention of getting out - and the same thing. It looked like a freaking game day weekend. No masks, no gloves, no nothing but full carts. Actually some of the carts were only partially full. If you're going to risk this wouldn't you fill the damn cart? Just wandering in and out and everywhere even after the gov put the state on lock down.

- I remember when I thought the market was high when it went over 10,000, so all in all... buy Amazon stock. Their drone delivery program just got ramped up.

- what's the first thing people are going to do when they get their trillion dollar gov checks? Yep. Go out. Stand in line shoulder to shoulder at the bank.

- Will this change the world economy forever?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, March 23, 2020 10:00 PM (P)

My two cents...

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
- if I was someone with bad intentions and hated the US, or any large country - say ISIS, etc - I would be taking notes right about now. To see how much of the world is fubarred over this super easy to transmit virus... crap! How does this not happen again and again?

I'm sure at least China has been taking notes since this began.

I can't remember a time in my life where the US has ever looked weaker than it does right now. It's embarrassing.

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- drove by our grocery store early last week to mail in my tax docs (we had no intention of leaving the car). We couldn't believe how many people were out an about wandering in and out of the store. "What don't these clowns get about infection?" Drove out yesterday since it was sunny - still no intention of getting out - and the same thing. It looked like a freaking game day weekend. No masks, no gloves, no nothing but full carts. Actually some of the carts were only partially full. If you're going to risk this wouldn't you fill the damn cart? Just wandering in and out and everywhere even after the gov put the state on lock down.

People by nature don't like staying indoors all the time. They also don't like being told what to do. That isn't just children either. When adults are told what to do by the government as if they are children, they're going to act like children.

As for the stockpiling, that's why there were panics about TP. There's no need to stockpile things. Shipping routes won't close down, and neither will grocery stores. You don't need to buy an entire shopping cart full of crap when you go out. Buy what you need, then maybe a few extra items that won't spoil while you're there. Remember this for the next time and always be sure to have at least a few months worth of the things that you can't buy now on hand and replenish them whenever they fall below 2 to 4 months worth (ie: TP, paper towels, soap, hand sanitizer, etc.)

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- I remember when I thought the market was high when it went over 10,000, so all in all... buy Amazon stock. Their drone delivery program just got ramped up.

I missed that boat. Who knows what's going to happen after the dust settles from all of this. I'm not going to be the guy who buys stuff at premium prices right now, but let us know how that works out for you a year from now.

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- what's the first thing people are going to do when they get their trillion dollar gov checks? Yep. Go out. Stand in line shoulder to shoulder at the bank.

Not necessarily. Anybody who filed taxes and has their returns direct deposited will have these stimulus checks direct deposited automatically (in theory, we'll see how they manage to do all of this in only 14 days given the fact they haven't even managed to pass a bill yet.

As for the rest of them, they should just mail out debit cards like most states are doing for Unemployment benefits. These cards can be used exactly like credit cards and used to pay your utility bills online without any charges. The only charges you'd have to look out for are ATM fees if you're withdrawing cash. Make sure to only use the ATMs that are listed as free, and don't make more cash withdrawals in a month than you are allowed without being charged (all of this information is provided with the card). Make sure to help Grandma out when you figure it out for yourself.

There honestly shouldn't be any actual paper checks being sent out in 2020. I could be wrong, but I think the term "check" is simply a way to say you're getting paid that everybody including Grandma understands.

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- Will this change the world economy forever?

I would imagine it does. Whether or not the virus itself ends up being as dangerous as the Legacy Media has made it out to be, a lot has already changed. I don't see how you just go back to what used to

BRENDA

Tuesday, March 24, 2020 2:00 AM (P)

Hate to say it guys but it does even make Canada look stronger.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Tuesday, March 24, 2020 2:12 AM (P)

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
My two cents...

Jack: "I'm sure at least China has been taking notes since this began."

I'm not worried about any country - especially China - doing this kind of thing to us. They profit too much from our relationship. This is only good for super bad actors/terrorism. Anyone that is interested in simple destruction.

Jack: "I can't remember a time in my life where the US has ever looked weaker than it does right now. It's embarrassing."

Pretty bad since Trump got in.

Jack: "People by nature don't like staying indoors all the time. They also don't like being told what to do. That isn't just children either. When adults are told what to do by the government as if they are children, they're going to act like children."

Totally

Jack: "As for the stockpiling, that's why there were panics about TP. There's no need to stockpile things. Shipping routes won't close down, and neither will grocery stores. You don't need to buy an entire shopping cart full of crap when you go out. Buy what you need, then maybe a few extra items that won't spoil while you're there. Remember this for the next time and always be sure to have at least a few months worth of the things that you can't buy now on hand and replenish them whenever they fall below 2 to 4 months worth (ie: TP, paper towels, soap, hand sanitizer, etc.)"

No - going out and going where people are is how you get infected. I don't get how you don't get that.

Jack: "I missed that boat. Who knows what's going to happen after the dust settles from all of this. I'm not going to be the guy who buys stuff at premium prices right now, but let us know how that works out for you a year from now."

I think you can stick apin in the calendar and say this is where a MEGA shift in the World economy and how people work, happened.

Jack "Not necessarily. Anybody who filed taxes and has their returns direct deposited will have these stimulus checks direct deposited automatically (in theory, we'll see how they manage to do all of this in only 14 days given the fact they haven't even managed to pass a bill yet."

I really wonder how many people do that. I bet that sounds complicated for a lot of people.

Jack: "As for the rest of them, they should just mail out debit cards like most states are doing for Unemployment benefits. These cards can be used exactly like credit cards and used to pay your utility bills online without any charges. The only charges you'd have to look out for are ATM fees if you're withdrawing cash. Make sure to only use the ATMs that are listed as free, and don't make more cash withdrawals in a month than you are allowed without being charged (all of this information is provided with the card). Make sure to help Grandma out when you figure it out for yourself."

Right, debit cards or cash, it doesn't matter. It means pent up people are going to go out and party and buy shit and infect others or themselves. This concept is not getting through.

Jack: "I would imagine it does. Whether or not the virus itself ends up being as dangerous as the Legacy Media has made it out to be, a lot has already changed. I don't see how you just go back to what used to be after this."

I still have a hard time imagining millions dead, even world wide. But even IF it's that high, is it significantly higher than other killers?

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Tuesday, March 24, 2020 2:13 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Hate to say it guys but it does even make Canada look stronger.

No worries Brenda - truth is truth! #MaplePower

BRENDA

Tuesday, March 24, 2020 2:26 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Hate to say it guys but it does even make Canada look stronger.

No worries Brenda - truth is truth! #MaplePower

Yup, our PM has made several briefings from his isolation home because of his wife. He is very reassuring as are other government officials.

Our supply lines are good.

The numbers up here aren't anything like the US because of population differences and such. But my heart hurts for the US with all of this.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, March 24, 2020 2:54 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
My two cents...

Jack: "I'm sure at least China has been taking notes since this began."

I'm not worried about any country - especially China - doing this kind of thing to us. They profit too much from our relationship. This is only good for super bad actors/terrorism. Anyone that is interested in simple destruction.

I'm not going to pretend to know that. We've been on reasonable terms with China because they've been making a fortune from us ever since Clinton gave them a seat at the big-boy's table.

Unlike Americans who only look 4 to 8 years in the future, China looks 100 to 200 years in the future.

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Jack: "I can't remember a time in my life where the US has ever looked weaker than it does right now. It's embarrassing."

Pretty bad since Trump got in.

That's simply a matter of opinion. One that I obviously don't agree with at all.

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Jack: "People by nature don't like staying indoors all the time. They also don't like being told what to do. That isn't just children either. When adults are told what to do by the government as if they are children, they're going to act like children."

Totally

And totally not exclusive to Americans. That's a universal human truth.

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Jack: "As for the stockpiling, that's why there were panics about TP. There's no need to stockpile things. Shipping routes won't close down, and neither will grocery stores. You don't need to buy an entire shopping cart full of crap when you go out. Buy what you need, then maybe a few extra items that won't spoil while you're there. Remember this for the next time and always be sure to have at least a few months worth of the things that you can't buy now on hand and replenish them whenever they fall below 2 to 4 months worth (ie: TP, paper towels, soap, hand sanitizer, etc.)"

No - going out and going where people are is how you get infected. I don't get how you don't get that.

Feel free to live the rest of your life in fear. The rest of us have shit to do.

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Jack: "I missed that boat. Who knows what's going to happen after the dust settles from all of this. I'm not going to be the guy who buys stuff at premium prices right now, but let us know how that works out for you a year from now."

I think you can stick apin in the calendar and say this is where a MEGA shift in the World economy and how people work, happened.

Maybe.

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Jack "Not necessarily. Anybody who filed taxes and has their returns direct deposited will have these stimulus checks direct deposited automatically (in theory, we'll see how they manage to do all of this in only 14 days given the fact they haven't even managed to pass a bill yet."

I really wonder how many people do that. I bet that sounds complicated for a lot of people.

I dunno. Maybe it seems easy to me because I've done my own taxes for the last 20 years and filling in your routing and checking info is the easiest part of the form besides filling out your address and signing your name. I can't imagine your accountant or online tax software doesn't make this exceedingly easy for you though too.

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Jack: "As for the rest of them, they should just mail out debit cards like most states are doing for Unemployment benefits. These cards can be used exactly like credit cards and used to pay your utility bills online without any charges. The only charges you'd have to look out for are ATM fees if you're withdrawing cash. Make sure to only use the ATMs that are listed as free, and don't make more cash withdrawals in a month than you are allowed without being charged (all of this information is provided with the card). Make sure to help Grandma out when you figure it out for yourself."

Right, debit cards

THG

Tuesday, March 24, 2020 5:03 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

My two cents...

I can't remember a time in my life where the US has ever looked weaker than it does right now. It's embarrassing.

In a word, Trump...

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, March 24, 2020 5:14 AM (P)

No. Period.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:05 AM (P)

Spanish Chaos, will Spain massive levels of death and other trouble follow Italy?

Hospitals overwhelmed as city is overrun with cases
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=a1CU9_1584901641
Madrid,Spain

SIGNYM

Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:02 PM (P)

No shit!

Quote:
No Refunds: Costco Hoarders Discover They Can't Return Toilet Paper

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/costco-hoarders-discover-th
ey-cant-return-toilet-paper

Especially if it's been used.

What are they going to do with 20 bricks of the stuff?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:23 PM (P)

Maybe they could trade it at a small loss for some of those sweet sweet food stamps since nobody is going to be making any money for at least the next two weeks.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Tuesday, March 24, 2020 9:18 PM (P)

6IXSTRINGJACK: "I'm not going to pretend to know that. We've been on reasonable terms with China because they've been making a fortune from us ...."
- Pretty much FOREVER, not "since Clinton gave them a seat at the big-boy's table." We've bought cheap sh*t from China ever since they could export it.

Jack: "Unlike Americans who only look 4 to 8 years in the future, China looks 100 to 200 years in the future."
- Which won't exist if their economy tanks today. Word: Nobody can safely look that far into the future - get real.

Jack: "That's simply a matter of opinion. One that I obviously don't agree with at all."
- You seem to have very little understanding of the damage he's doing inside (division) or outside of the US (respect at an all time low).
The One Great thing about Trump? How great the world will be once he's out of office. What a relief.

Jack: "That's a universal human truth."
- Another universal truth is how weak and stupid a lot of humans are - can't stay inside even when it's in their's and other's best interest. Self destructive is fine as long as it doesn't effect others.

Jack: "Feel free to live the rest of your life in fear. The rest of us have shit to do."
- Like get more milk?!? You don't have sh*t to do! You as much say so. I thought working on your house was job 1? It can wait - no one looking to buy houses now.
Live in fear??? I've worked at home for 10 years. Just another day. I miss my friends but safety for them and me says avoid them for now. We do virtual happy hours - it's all good, and we'll actually be better for this imho.

Jack: "What's your solution? Install a datajack in everyone's brain so we can do this all telepathically in the future? Maybe hook us all up to automatic feeding tubes so we never have to leave home and live the rest of eternity jacked into the matrix?"
- Yup! Give me all of those

Jack: "It's not.

Every year, Coronary Heart Disease accounts for 17 Million deaths worldwide.

Every year, Cancer accounts for 9.5 Million deaths worldwide.

Every year, 5 million people will die from a stroke worldwide.

Every year, Automobile Accidents account for 1.5 Million deaths worldwide.

Every year, 1 million people are going to die from a mosquito bite.

Every year, 291,000 to 646,000 people die from the flu worldwide.

Every year, over 378,000 people die in wars worldwide."

- Maybe you missed my posts on this, but we're a lot closer than we are apart on this particular question.
Look at the CDC numbers from the 2017-2018 Flu outbreak - one of the worst in decades. It was HIGH. We have a long way to go. Yes, there are some unusual circumstances with this virus, but the over all feeling is being stoked by MSM and the F*ckhead in chief as usual, is lying his @ss off and it ain't helping.

Jack: "But as depressing as these numbers may be, it is important to recognize them so you can put things into perspective. It does nobody any good to pretend they don't exist, especially when something like this is happening."
- It does help a bit. I think the BIG difference between the majority of those and this virus is you can catch c-19 or give it to someone else just by going out to get a jug of milk. Most of those others are self inflicted. Not much we can do on those and still preserve our stubborn but important sense of self determination, and "freedom."

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:33 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:

- It does help a bit.

Good.

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I think the BIG difference between the majority of those and this virus is you can catch c-19 or give it to someone else just by going out to get a jug of milk. Most of those others are self inflicted.

Yeah... except for the 1 million people dying of mosquito bites, all of the people who die in car accidents that weren't their fault. All of the people who are old and end up dying of heart disease or cancer or a stroke simply from the fact that they're old and we all have to die of something sometime, or all of the people who die in wars and conflicts around the globe that had no choice but to be a part of them or an innocent casualty of them.

Really, not a lot of people on that list did it to themselves. Deaths attributed to smoking include those from heart disease, stroke and cancer and only account for 450,000 of those numbers.

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Not much we can do on those and still preserve our stubborn but important sense of self determination, and "freedom."

Freedom is sacrosanct.

It's no surprise that "educated" Democrats are always among the first to give it away for safety and free shit. Always.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JO753

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 4:25 AM (P)

Got a cardvelope in the mail today from the CDC.

The title iz

PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
CORONAVIRUS
GUIDELINES FOR
AMERICA

I jiveth ye not.

----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

SECOND

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 5:43 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Good.

Yeah... except for the 1 million people dying of mosquito bites, all of the people who die in car accidents that weren't their fault. All of the people who are old and end up dying of heart disease or cancer or a stroke simply from the fact that they're old and we all have to die of something sometime, or all of the people who die in wars and conflicts around the globe that had no choice but to be a part of them or an innocent casualty of them.

Really, not a lot of people on that list did it to themselves. Deaths attributed to smoking include those from heart disease, stroke and cancer and only account for 450,000 of those numbers.

Freedom is sacrosanct.

It's no surprise that "educated" Democrats are always among the first to give it away for safety and free shit. Always.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, you are an imprisoned person repeating talking points mouthed by Texas Republicans, maybe all Republicans:

What Democrats are Up Against
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/covid-19-sacrifice-old-people-for
-the-economy

I wanted to write in with a different perspective than the one I’m seeing take hold among progressives. I work in oil and gas and, as such, I interact with conservatives all the time. It’s interesting watching the conservative id coalesce as it does.

Initially, they have some diversity of opinion as new facts come to light and then they all eventually fall in line behind the command and control structure that is the conservative mind meld.

In the beginning, I saw a lot of what I think most people assumed was mainline conservative thinking: that the virus wasn’t a big deal; that it was just another H1N1 and we should just ignore it.

But, there was a second group that more closely aligned with this new Trump/Dan Patrick (Texas Lt. Governor) thinking. The comments I heard went something like this, “This is going to sound bad, but 2% really isn’t that many people and it’s mostly old people anyway. They’ve lived a good life. Overpopulation is a major problem and it will also help with social security.”

I’m writing in because I fear we are treating this as a more fringe idea than it actually is. I don’t think this is Trump reacting to his properties being forced to close or to a Fox News segment he saw. I think this has serious legs. …

It’s part Ebeenezer Scrooge morality; part inability/unwillingness to comprehend the scope of horror coronavirus is capable of inflicting on us. Of course, implicit in their thinking is that it won’t affect them.

We must be clear-eyed about what we’re up against. These people absolutely do not give a shit if 2.2 million people die. And they lack the imagination to understand what exceeding our hospital bed capacity by 30X looks like.

I really don’t think this is Trump sending out a trial balloon by himself. This is mainline Republican thinking and we should act accordingly.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:03 AM (P)

Jack's feeling pretty isolated and immune from this, so he's more than happy to flush everybody who dies from this, no matter how few or how many.

SECOND

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:09 AM (P)

Modern conservative politics is remarkable. Two days ago it felt like everyone was totally on board with school closings and quarantines and social distancing. It was the new reality. Then Donald Trump announced that he didn’t really believe the experts after all and wanted to re-open the economy. Within 24 hours I swear that practically every conservative in the country was suddenly in agreement—or seriously considering it at the very least. All Trump had to do was open his mouth to produce a right-wing U-turn so violent you could almost hear the necks snapping.

How has Trump done this?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:25 AM (P)

It was the same with 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan, but it wasn't just right-wingers who were on board.

After rhetoric like "dead or alive!", "smoke 'em out!", "you're either with us or you're with the terrorists!" - and getting everybody (90% approval) rabidly foaming at the mouth to get bin Laden - after a few months all dubya had to say was "I don't really think about him very much" and it was as if the previous months were totally erased.

The pivot to Iraq was as if it was on a frictionless pin.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:31 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
It was the same with 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan, but it wasn't just right-wingers who were on board.

After rhetoric like "dead or alive!", "smoke 'em out!", "you're either with us or you're with the terrorists!" - and getting everybody (90% approval) rabidly foaming at the mouth to get bin Laden - after a few months all dubya had to say was "I don't really think about him very much" and it was as if the previous months were totally erased.

The pivot to Iraq was as if it was on a frictionless pin.

lol.

Yup. Only you're so blind to the fact that you're terrorized by a virus right now and they're playing on your fears.

I've never seen so many frightened little sheep before in my life. It's rather amusing.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:33 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Modern conservative politics is remarkable. Two days ago it felt like everyone was totally on board with school closings and quarantines and social distancing. It was the new reality. Then Donald Trump announced that he didn’t really believe the experts after all and wanted to re-open the economy. Within 24 hours I swear that practically every conservative in the country was suddenly in agreement—or seriously considering it at the very least. All Trump had to do was open his mouth to produce a right-wing U-turn so violent you could almost hear the necks snapping.

How has Trump done this?

I was never on board with it, buddy.

I don't think that Trump had anything to do with it. I think it was the statewide bans that did it.

My state actually flat out tells you that as of Midnight tonight you are not permitted to visit any relatives unless you are going there to provide for their "health and well being".

Fuck them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:19 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Modern conservative politics is remarkable. Two days ago it felt like everyone was totally on board with school closings and quarantines and social distancing. It was the new reality. Then Donald Trump announced that he didn’t really believe the experts after all and wanted to re-open the economy. Within 24 hours I swear that practically every conservative in the country was suddenly in agreement—or seriously considering it at the very least. All Trump had to do was open his mouth to produce a right-wing U-turn so violent you could almost hear the necks snapping.

How has Trump done this?

I was never on board with it, buddy.

I don't think that Trump had anything to do with it. I think it was the statewide bans that did it.

My state actually flat out tells you that as of Midnight tonight you are not permitted to visit any relatives unless you are going there to provide for their "health and well being".

Fuck them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

How we know ending social distancing will lead to more deaths, in one chart from 1918 - 1919

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/24/21192528/coronavirus-social-
distancing-economy-deaths

Consider St. Louis. In 1918 the city was an example of how to do social distancing right because it took an aggressive and layered response to the flu pandemic early on. But as a 2007 study published in JAMA found, St. Louis in 1918 pulled back its social distancing efforts prematurely — and that led to a spike in deaths. Let it spike only if you don't give a damn about death.

It’s the paradox of public health: When you do it right, nothing happens. So if we’re doing social distancing right, we’ll prevent deaths — but it’s not like people will see each death that was prevented.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:22 AM (P)

Don't project your COVID panic onto me.

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:26 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Within 24 hours I swear that practically every conservative in the country was suddenly in agreement—or seriously considering it at the very least. All Trump had to do was open his mouth to produce a right-wing U-turn so violent you could almost hear the necks snapping.

Kinda have to just let them do it. You can't stop a third of the country from making horrible decisions like... becoming Trumpers. At this point nothing is going to stop it. Let the gullible fools walk head first into the meat grinder. If they can't understand the exponential scale of this thing, it's better for the planet of they just shuffle off. Poor doomed dumb fools.

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:30 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Yup. Only you're so blind to the fact that you're terrorized by a virus right now and they're playing on your fears.

I've never seen so many frightened little sheep before in my life.

OK, FOOL. Go to a major E.R. near you two weeks from now and we'll see if you can still say that when they're stacking corpses to the ceiling. When you get it, none of us want your midnight fool typing about how you can't breathe.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:59 AM (P)

I probably already have it, dipshit. I've had a cold for the last week now.

Why don't you come up north so I can sneeze on you?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:50 PM (P)

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SIX: Freedom is sacrosanct.

No, it isn't.

sacrosanct: most holy or inviolable
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sacrosanct

inviolable:
1 : secure from violation or profanation an inviolable law
2 : secure from assault or trespass : unassailable
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inviolable

The other overused word is "inalienable".

If "rights" are so inalienable, why so some nations have 22 and others only have 9?
If "freedom" is so sacrosanct, why are so many people bound?
If freedoms and rights were really so god-given, truly sacrosanct and inalienable, we wouldn't have to write or talk about them; they would just be. The only reason why we call them "sacrosanct" and "inalienable" is because they're anything but. We're simply trying to reinforce the notion with our language, but frankly I find the effort to be more confusing than enlightening because it doesn't reflect reality.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:52 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Got a cardvelope in the mail today from the CDC.

The title iz

PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
CORONAVIRUS
GUIDELINES FOR
AMERICA

I jiveth ye not.

----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

HAHAHAHA!! I await with bated breath the receipt of the COVID missive in the mail!

First, tho, I'll sanitize it.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:06 PM (P)

Maybe this is a good time for people tostop and consider what is truly necessary.

Health, and a functioning healthcare system... that seems pretty necessary.

Food, water, shelter... that seems pretty necessary too.

Decent jobs... need that too.

The latest car/clothes/gizmo/vacation/propaganda piece in the news? ... Maybe not so much.

I noticed there were hardly any planes in the sky. How many of those trips were really necessary? I'll bet the CO2 emissions are way down, too.

I know many people are running around like crazy just to put food on the table these days, but maybe the opportunity to slow down and reflect might cause a reevaluation and reset for some.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

THG

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 5:42 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Don't project your COVID panic onto me.

I'd love to see you post this again in two weeks. Oh yeah, your boy Trump has fucked up big time.

tick tock
T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:45 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

First, tho, I'll sanitize it.

Heh - All of our mail sits in our garage for 3 days before we open it. And then it gets a sani-wipe down first. Not panicked but not f*cking around either.

SECOND

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:11 PM (P)

Lockdowns work. See the graphs at:
https://angrybearblog.com/2020/03/lockdowns-work.html

We only need complete lockdowns a few weeks, during which we ramp up manufacture and supplies to test kits and emergency medical equipment like masks and ventilators.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:26 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

First, tho, I'll sanitize it.

Heh - All of our mail sits in our garage for 3 days before we open it. And then it gets a sani-wipe down first. Not panicked but not f*cking around either.

I lick all of the envelopes after I open them because I like the way the glue tastes.

Still tastes good in March of 2020.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:30 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
SIX: Freedom is sacrosanct.

No, it isn't.

sacrosanct: most holy or inviolable
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sacrosanct

inviolable:
1 : secure from violation or profanation an inviolable law
2 : secure from assault or trespass : unassailable
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inviolable

The other overused word is "inalienable".

Oxford doesn't agree. I guess like anything else it's all a matter of perspective.

Quote:
sacrosanct
Pronunciation /'sakro?saNG(k)t/ /'sækro??sæ?(k)t/
adjective

(especially of a principle, place, or routine) regarded as too important or valuable to be interfered with.

‘the individual's right to work has been upheld as sacrosanct’

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/sacrosanct (Powered by Oxford, who charges you a monthly fee to use their online dictionary but offers a bunch of other stuff too)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:33 PM (P)

More:

- we're rich! The Gov check's in the mail! Just don't go out and spend it.

- starting to recognize people that have died from c-19 - not close friends or acquaintances, but familiar people. Sucks.

- imho turning the corner (when things can START getting back to normal) can only happen when a treatment happens. Not a vaccine, that would be great of course, but that sounds like it's way off. An actual drug that stricken people can take for recovery. The economy is going to be depressed until people can be around other people. All pretty obvious.

- what do people who have survived c-19 do next? Can they get it again? I have not seen any definitive answer to that.

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

1KIKI

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:37 PM (P)

Quote:
- what do people who have survived c-19 do next? Can they get it again? I have not seen any definitive answer to that.

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

Yes, they can. It's been shown in Japan and Korea. What's not known is how common or rare that is. It's also not known if second infections are milder (due to antibodies) or worse (due to cytokine storm) because both have happened. What seems somewhat clear is that those people aren't infectious.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:34 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
More:

- we're rich! The Gov check's in the mail! Just don't go out and spend it.

- starting to recognize people that have died from c-19 - not close friends or acquaintances, but familiar people. Sucks.

- imho turning the corner (when things can START getting back to normal) can only happen when a treatment happens. Not a vaccine, that would be great of course, but that sounds like it's way off. An actual drug that stricken people can take for recovery. The economy is going to be depressed until people can be around other people. All pretty obvious.

- what do people who have survived c-19 do next? Can they get it again? I have not seen any definitive answer to that.

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

There has been no definitive data on whether or not you can get it again. Any "reports" stating that were weeks ago, back when there were also claims that COVID-19 caused infertility in males. Another claim that could have come from any anonymous source to cause even more panic. (China? Russia? Putin himself?)

Don't believe anything until the CDC/WHO says it definitively, and always maintain a healthy amount of skepticism. Certainly don't listen to anything that Kiki has to say about this.

Those checks are coming, but CNN has already warned not to expect them until sometime in mid May. I think that's a very conservative timeline, and actually some responsible reporting on their part for once. I think most Americans will get it much sooner than that. A majority of Americans file their taxes online now, and a smaller majority even provides their banking info for direct deposit. If you do both of those, you will be among the first to get it. They are going to look at your 2018 taxes (filed 2019) immediately if you haven't already field your 2019 taxes (filed 2020) yet.

I think the warning about not expecting it until May is just a blanket statement for people like my Grandma who hasn't filed taxes in years because she's on SSI, and my brother who doesn't because he's on SSDI. I can't imagine that it's going to be the easiest thing in the world to get money to people under those circumstances. Although it still hasn't been mentioned in the media, I would urge anybody to make sure that people they know who live in similar conditions at least file their Census info ASAP to be counted, even though they do not provide their SS# or any banking information with the Census. At least they'll be counted and have their address on file, which will probably help, and certainly can't hurt.

About Unemployment... (And JO, you've been avoiding the question so far, but I REALLY hope you filed for it....)

The wording is still somewhat murky now, but from what I gather there will be a 13 week extension of benefits for now, with an additional $600 per week kicked in by the Federal Government (for up to 4 months). There may or may not be an additional amount added to the normal state percentage of your working income as well, but that would probably vary on a state by state basis since the rates themselves can already vary wildly depending on where you live.

It also seems that any "grace period" that usually means 1 or 2 weeks without any UI benefits will not be in place for now and the Federal Government will be picking up that tab until the state benefits would normally kick in.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:21 PM (P)

Quote:
SIX: Freedom is sacrosanct.

SIGNY:No, it isn't.
sacrosanct: most holy or inviolable
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sacrosanct
inviolable:
1 : secure from violation or profanation an inviolable law
2 : secure from assault or trespass : unassailable
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inviolable
The other overused word is "inalienable".

SIX: Oxford doesn't agree. I guess like anything else it's all a matter of perspective.

sacrosanct
Pronunciation /'sakro?saNG(k)t/ /'sækro??sæ?(k)t/
adjective

(especially of a principle, place, or routine) regarded as too important or valuable to be interfered with.*
https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/sacrosanct (Powered by Oxford, who charges you a monthly fee to use their online dictionary but offers a bunch of other stuff too)

Wow, how many online dictionaries did you have to pursue to find THAT one, which is a rather uncommon definition?

But, OK, I'll bite

*Regarded as too important or valuable...

Regarded by WHOM, exactly? Nobody I can think of regards "freedom" as "sacrosanct". Most people are willing to give up some freedom for some benefit; that is the principle of The Social Contract by Jean Jacques Rousseau. Here's the abbreviated version for ppl with ADHD https://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/socialcontract/summary/

Even YOU don't believe "freedom" is "sacrosanct". Do you feel free to murder, except in self defense or the immediate defense of someone else? Are you free to rob? Do you feel free to gross people out with bad breath and bad hygiene when in company? Even YOU accept limits on your behavior because, yanno, society.

TPTB ESPECIALLY don't regard freedom as "sacrosanct", particularly YOUR freedom. THEY feel quite willing to kill and rob (or to pay someone to do it for them) but YOUR freedoms are squashed without thought, like cockroaches.

So, where is freedom regarded as sacrosanct?

Maybe what you meant to say was Freedom should be sacrosanct as a statement of the ideal because in real life it isn't.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:52 PM (P)

I think I have an answer for the two shit-sandwiches (economy v contagion) that Trump is forced to take a bite of...

Since young people are at much LOWER risk of death (not negligible, still 2X higher than "the flu") why not let THEM out of the cage? People over 50, people with pre-existing conditions should STILL self-isolate, and they should STILL get benefits for #stayingthefuckhome but the younger people can be let loose to take their chances.

Yanno, kind of a reverse isolation: isolate the well, instead of the sick? This might be the "next step" after the swell of sick people flooding the hospitals has peaked and declined.

We won't achieve "herd immunity" that way, since the under-50 only represents 65% of the population (with an Rnaught of somewhere between 2.5 and 7, you need roughly 80-85% infection rate) but at least people like SIX won't be yowling about his freedoms being infringed.

There would need to be all kinds of thought given to health care workers, teachers, etc who would have to regard EVERYONE as potentially infectious, but maybe after the swell has peaked and gone down there might be enough supplies and enough tests at least for teachers etc.

Of course, junior and juniorette would have to isolate themselves from at-risk family members. Maybe that would propel them out of mom's and dad's basements.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

JO753

Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:59 PM (P)

The unemployment claimz hav spiked way the hell up. They were alredy swamped, so I'm not wasting my time to ask for money wen I probably woudnt get any and still dont need it. Minimize paperwork!

Speaking uv that, I gotta start bending my brain to the task uv doing taxez.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

1KIKI

Thursday, March 26, 2020 12:24 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think I have an answer for the two shit-sandwiches (economy v contagion) that Trump is forced to take a bite of...

Since young people are at much LOWER risk of death (not negligible, still 2X higher than "the flu") why not let THEM out of the cage? People over 50, people with pre-existing conditions should STILL self-isolate, and they should STILL get benefits for #stayingthefuckhome but the younger people can be let loose to take their chances.

Yanno, kind of a reverse isolation: isolate the well, instead of the sick? This might be the "next step" after the swell of sick people flooding the hospitals has peaked and declined.

We won't achieve "herd immunity" that way, since the under-50 only represents 65% of the population (with an Rnaught of somewhere between 2.5 and 7, you need roughly 80-85% infection rate) but at least people like SIX won't be yowling about his freedoms being infringed.

There would need to be all kinds of thought given to health care workers, teachers, etc who would have to regard EVERYONE as potentially infectious, but maybe after the swell has peaked and gone down there might be enough supplies and enough tests at least for teachers etc.

Of course, junior and juniorette would have to isolate themselves from at-risk family members. Maybe that would propel them out of mom's and dad's basements.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

I LIKE that idea! Young people are immortal anyway. Why not let them live like it?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:31 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
The unemployment claimz hav spiked way the hell up. They were alredy swamped, so I'm not wasting my time to ask for money wen I probably woudnt get any and still dont need it. Minimize paperwork!

Speaking uv that, I gotta start bending my brain to the task uv doing taxez.

----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

That's a mistake. Especially if you're going to have a hard time finding a job right now.

You absolutely would get it. You were laid off. You have a 100% chance of getting it.

I remember not too long ago you were trying to sell a piece of art you made and said that you might be able to save yourself from foreclosure if you were able to sell it.

I'm not sure if you were just joking about things before, it's really none of my business, and I'm not trying to be a dick here... But you sounded like you were pretty close to the end of your rope before you got that job.

Not only does being laid-off suck balls, but for you it happened at a terrible time because the only jobs that would be available to you right now are "essential" jobs that would put you into constant contact with people who may or may not be infected (if you're worried about that sort of thing). Many of those jobs will not even be making close per-week to what you'd be getting on unemployment now if you filed for it.

If you are too lazy to file for unemployment right now, you're literally throwing away $600/mo. in Federal payouts on top of whatever the fairly generous percentage of your old pay was for the usual 26 weeks and an additional 13 week extension. For at least the first 4 months, I'm going to venture a guess that you would be getting paid more to stay at home than you made working your last job.

Do what you want to do, but for a smart guy you're acting extremely dumb here. The Federal benefits alone that you're choosing to flush down the toilet are $9,600 before taxes. That doesn't even include the 39 weeks of Illinois UI benefits.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:34 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think I have an answer for the two shit-sandwiches (economy v contagion) that Trump is forced to take a bite of...

Since young people are at much LOWER risk of death (not negligible, still 2X higher than "the flu") why not let THEM out of the cage? People over 50, people with pre-existing conditions should STILL self-isolate, and they should STILL get benefits for #stayingthefuckhome but the younger people can be let loose to take their chances.

Yanno, kind of a reverse isolation: isolate the well, instead of the sick? This might be the "next step" after the swell of sick people flooding the hospitals has peaked and declined.

We won't achieve "herd immunity" that way, since the under-50 only represents 65% of the population (with an Rnaught of somewhere between 2.5 and 7, you need roughly 80-85% infection rate) but at least people like SIX won't be yowling about his freedoms being infringed.

There would need to be all kinds of thought given to health care workers, teachers, etc who would have to regard EVERYONE as potentially infectious, but maybe after the swell has peaked and gone down there might be enough supplies and enough tests at least for teachers etc.

Of course, junior and juniorette would have to isolate themselves from at-risk family members. Maybe that would propel them out of mom's and dad's basements.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

I'm on board with this.

I'd also say it would make for a great story if it wasn't already the plot of the first season of The 100. (Great Show by the way... maybe I should catch up on that now since I'm a few seasons behind).

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:31 AM (P)

If you’re looking for a longer read: Leading economists have co-authored a free e-book on blunting the Covid-19 economic crisis:

https://voxeu.org/content/mitigating-covid-economic-crisis-act-fast-an
d-do-whatever-it-takes

Mitigating the COVID Economic Crisis: Act Fast and Do Whatever It Takes

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Thursday, March 26, 2020 7:51 AM (P)

Trump is getting exactly what he wants as the crisis drags on. He’s on TV twice per day. He’s got a captive audience. He can say whatever he wants and the news networks will cover it.

And with the shutdown of almost all TV and film production in the face of the coronavirus threat, as well as live sports, it’s not difficult to imagine Trump on TV all the time.

Before the 2016 election, his ultimate goal was to start his own TV news network — one that would be a competitor to Fox News and give him a bigger bullhorn than ever before. He did it! Now he owns ad hoc Trump TV and he did it without investing any money!

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:48 AM (P)

Here's a thought. Especially for anybody who is seriously grabbing their mail with neoprene gloves and letting it chill on the countertop in the sunlight for 3 days before even daring to touch it.

You better have the bottle of bleach ready by the sink and get ready to scrub any items you buy at the grocery store.

Maybe the next guy or gal who pulls this shit isn't going to do you the favor of filming it and putting it up on Twitter, and subsequently getting arrested and charged with "making a terrorist threat of the second degree" and ultimately convicted with a 5 year prison sentence.

You might also want to pinch that loaf when out in public and retreat to the safety of your own shitter while you're at it if you didn't already do that before COVID Fever swept the nation.

#You'reInMyWorldNowKiki

Sweet dreams.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

ETA: Edited on 08/31/2021 to re-upload the videos that the YouTube Nazis took down.

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:50 AM (P)

Jeezus, these people are stupid.

SIX, you jumping metaphorically in bed with them doesn't say much for your intelligence, or your state of mind. This is as bad as THUGR. What happened? Did you check your brains at the door?

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 26, 2020 12:25 PM (P)

So, now for some INTELLIGENT skepticism about the virus.

Quote:
Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history.

What he says:

We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day.

[The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society.

All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.

My comment: Services to "other" patients aren't being reduced because hospitals are empty, but because hospitals are FULL. It's a little hard to ignore the death rate in some nations, but Bhakdi seems to manage!

Quote:
Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician specialising in Pulmonology ...

Politicians are being courted by scientists…scientists who want to be important to get money for their institutions. Scientists who just swim along in the mainstream and want their part of it […] And what is missing right now is a rational way of looking at things.

We should be asking questions like “How did you find out this virus was dangerous?”, “How was it before?”, “Didn’t we have the same thing last year?”, “Is it even something new?”

That’s missing.

No, it's not missing. The virus has been sequenced, we didn't have the "same thing" last year. Apparently he hasn't been keeping up with developments!

Quote:
Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University ...

I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why.

[…]

I worry about the message to the public, about the fear of coming into contact with people, being in the same space as people, shaking their hands, having meetings with people. I worry about many, many consequences related to that.

[…]

In Hubei, in the province of Hubei, where there has been the most cases and deaths by far, the actual number of cases reported is 1 per 1000 people and the actual rate of deaths reported is 1 per 20,000. So maybe that would help to put things into perspective.

BUT in Hubei they instituted draconian quarantine and social distancing policies, built 16 pop-up hospitals to treat the sick. The death rate was lowered because of policy, not despite it.

Quote:
Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences...

Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.

The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.

FINALLY! Something I can agree with

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:22 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Jeezus, these people are stupid.

SIX, you jumping metaphorically in bed with them doesn't say much for your intelligence, or your state of mind. This is as bad as THUGR. What happened? Did you check your brains at the door?

Yes. They are extremely stupid. And in Wondrous fashion, late-term Millennials and Generation Zed are proving to the world that you don't need a Y chromosome or testosterone to have a monopoly on dumb. Feminism has come full circle.

I'm not behaving any different with Kiki than I have with any other idiot on these boards who decides that it is a good idea to antagonize and/or insult me in every post. Kiki started piling on me long before COVID was a worry in the states because I don't believe that AIDS is real. You can go ahead and look back at post history if you are confused about the timelinie.

I'm not panicking here. My behavior hasn't changed. I'm not going to be washing items I buy or even giving them a second thought when I pick them up at the grocery store.

But I know goddamned well that she will now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:28 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, now for some INTELLIGENT skepticism about the virus.

Quote:
Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history.

What he says:

We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day.

[The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society.

All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.
My comment: Services to "other" patients aren't being reduced because hospitals are empty, but because hospitals are FULL. It's a little hard to ignore the death rate in some nations, but Bhakdi seems to manage!

Quote:
Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician specialising in Pulmonology ...

Politicians are being courted by scientists…scientists who want to be important to get money for their institutions. Scientists who just swim along in the mainstream and want their part of it […] And what is missing right now is a rational way of looking at things.

We should be asking questions like “How did you find out this virus was dangerous?”, “How was it before?”, “Didn’t we have the same thing last year?”, “Is it even something new?”

That’s missing.
No, it's not missing. The virus has been sequenced, we didn't have the "same thing" last year. Apparently he hasn't been keeping up with developments!

Quote:
Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University ...

I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why.

[…]

I worry about the message to the public, about the fear of coming into contact with people, being in the same space as people, shaking their hands, having meetings with people. I worry about many, many consequences related to that.

[…]

In Hubei, in the province of Hubei, where there has been the most cases and deaths by far, the actual number of cases reported is 1 per 1000 people and the actual rate of deaths reported is 1 per 20,000. So maybe that would help to put things into perspective.
BUT in Hubei they instituted draconian quarantine and social distancing policies, built 16 pop-up hospitals to treat the sick. The death rate was lowered because of policy, not despite it.

Quote:
Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences...

Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.

The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.[/qu

THG

Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:35 PM (P)

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:39 PM (P)

Spamming the boards with your dumb bullshit again this morning, I see.

Good, good. Looks like T's okay. His behavior hasn't changed yet.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Thursday, March 26, 2020 7:01 PM (P)

We can rebuild our economy but we cannot bring back the millions who could die.

I choose to stay at home because it is the single most important and effective act of personal responsibility I can take to save lives, prevent suffering and contribute to our overcoming this disease as quickly as possible.

I choose to stay home to protect parents and grandparents because I respect them and value their knowledge, wisdom and perspective and because I value their lives and their humanity. I choose to stay home to protect children because COVID-19 is killing people of all ages.

I choose to stay home because I value and respect our courageous frontline nurses, hospital workers and doctors who are selflessly risking their lives and putting their own loved ones at risk every day for each one of us. They are the heroes of today’s disaster just like those who rushed into harm’s way at the World Trade Center to save others on 9/11. I choose to stay home because I understand that in doing so I am respecting, honoring and supporting them with my actions not just my words.

I choose to stay at home because I respect and value our first responders who are also very much on the front lines of this crisis. Even in normal times the vast majority of calls responded to by our firefighters are medical emergencies. Our police officers are equally at risk as they too respond to medical emergencies but also work with our homeless and incarcerated neighbors doing their best to keep these extremely vulnerable groups as safe as possible.

I choose to stay home because I know that the purported choice between public safety and the economy is a false choice. The more widespread the pandemic the deeper the lasting damage to the economy will be. The long-term impact of decimating our health care system alone is unimaginable.

I stay at home because I know that together we can rebuild our economy but we cannot bring back the millions who could die.

More at www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/We-can-rebuild-our-ec
onomy-but-we-cannot-bring-15157202.php

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 26, 2020 7:09 PM (P)

Amen

The people who are panicking are bankers. We can rebuild our economy, but we can do it a lot better without the speculators and debt-hawkers.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:08 PM (P)

You have two replies on the last page that were buried by the idiots, Sigs.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:14 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You have two replies on the last page that were buried by the idiots, Sigs.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The awkward debate around Trump's (or 6ix's or any Trump lover's) mental fitness

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 PM (P)

lol

Yes. Please Vox. Diagnose me.

Voiced over by a guy who sounds like he's 12 years old.

Oh... that's Carlos Maza. I know that dude. The guy who grew up in a mansion with parents that have more money than god but is a socialist that makes people feel bad if they have a dollar in their pockets.

You really need to find better sources, buddy. :)

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Friday, March 27, 2020 12:04 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, now for some INTELLIGENT skepticism about the virus.

Quote:
Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history.

What he says:

We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day.

[The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society.

All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.
My comment: Services to "other" patients aren't being reduced because hospitals are empty, but because hospitals are FULL. It's a little hard to ignore the death rate in some nations, but Bhakdi seems to manage!

Quote:
Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician specialising in Pulmonology ...

Politicians are being courted by scientists…scientists who want to be important to get money for their institutions. Scientists who just swim along in the mainstream and want their part of it […] And what is missing right now is a rational way of looking at things.

We should be asking questions like “How did you find out this virus was dangerous?”, “How was it before?”, “Didn’t we have the same thing last year?”, “Is it even something new?”

That’s missing.
No, it's not missing. The virus has been sequenced, we didn't have the "same thing" last year. Apparently he hasn't been keeping up with developments!

Quote:
Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University ...

I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why.

[…]

I worry about the message to the public, about the fear of coming into contact with people, being in the same space as people, shaking their hands, having meetings with people. I worry about many, many consequences related to that.

[…]

In Hubei, in the province of Hubei, where there has been the most cases and deaths by far, the actual number of cases reported is 1 per 1000 people and the actual rate of deaths reported is 1 per 20,000. So maybe that would help to put things into perspective.
BUT in Hubei they instituted draconian quarantine and social distancing policies, built 16 pop-up hospitals to treat the sick. The death rate was lowered because of policy, not despite it.

Quote:
Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences...

Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.

The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the d

SECOND

Friday, March 27, 2020 12:42 AM (P)

Which Republicans Have Been Most Diplomatic About Calling Trump’s Back-to-Work Plan Insane and Suicidal?

The art of balancing a thin-skinned president and a deadly disease.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/republicans-trumps-back-to
-work-coronavirus-plan-suicidal.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 27, 2020 2:16 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, now for some INTELLIGENT skepticism about the virus.

Quote:
Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history.

What he says:

We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day.

[The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society.

All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.
My comment: Services to "other" patients aren't being reduced because hospitals are empty, but because hospitals are FULL. It's a little hard to ignore the death rate in some nations, but Bhakdi seems to manage!

Quote:
Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician specialising in Pulmonology ...

Politicians are being courted by scientists…scientists who want to be important to get money for their institutions. Scientists who just swim along in the mainstream and want their part of it […] And what is missing right now is a rational way of looking at things.

We should be asking questions like “How did you find out this virus was dangerous?”, “How was it before?”, “Didn’t we have the same thing last year?”, “Is it even something new?”

That’s missing.
No, it's not missing. The virus has been sequenced, we didn't have the "same thing" last year. Apparently he hasn't been keeping up with developments!

Quote:
Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University ...

I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why.

[…]

I worry about the message to the public, about the fear of coming into contact with people, being in the same space as people, shaking their hands, having meetings with people. I worry about many, many consequences related to that.

[…]

In Hubei, in the province of Hubei, where there has been the most cases and deaths by far, the actual number of cases reported is 1 per 1000 people and the actual rate of deaths reported is 1 per 20,000. So maybe that would help to put things into perspective.
BUT in Hubei they instituted draconian quarantine and social distancing policies, built 16 pop-up hospitals to treat the sick. The death rate was lowered because of policy, not despite it.

Quote:
Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences...

Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.

The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a la

THG

Friday, March 27, 2020 2:52 AM (P)

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

SECOND

Friday, March 27, 2020 2:54 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

lol #GO AHEAD AND STAY THE FUCK HOME IF YOU'RE A LEMMING

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Hashtag: Do_what_the_rich_want_you_to_do:

Billionaires Want People Back to Work. Employees Aren’t So Sure

The billionaire Tom Golisano was smoking a Padron cigar on his patio in Florida on Tuesday afternoon. He was worried.

“The damages of keeping the economy closed as it is could be worse than losing a few more people,” said Golisano, founder and chairman of the payroll processor Paychex Inc. “I have a very large concern that if businesses keep going along the way they’re going then so many of them will have to fold.”

America’s wealthiest people and executives are echoing Trump's rallying cry, "Get Back To Work, You Lazy Jerks!"

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-25/billionaires-want-people-ba
ck-to-work-workers-aren-t-so-sure

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Friday, March 27, 2020 3:06 AM (P)

Quote:
You just brought a bunch of facts. But you claim they're all bullshit because they don't feed into your panic.

No, I had SPECIFIC refutations for most. For example, comparing to-date deaths against annualized numbers of other illnesses? Ignoring REAL LIFE national examples of overwhelmed healthcare systems and high fatality rates? Seriously???

If you have a SPECIFIC argument for, or against, various statements please bring them to the board and stop posting about freedom being sacrosanct when clearly, it isn't.

And, no, I didn't waste my time watching a stupid video about stupid people doing stupid things that proves nothing except that some people are sometimes really stupid.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 27, 2020 5:14 AM (P)

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, March 27, 2020 5:47 PM (P)

Why America Can't Respond to the Current Crisis

As the coronavirus outbreak in the US follows the same grim exponential growth path first displayed in Wuhan, China, before herculean measures were put in place to slow its spread there, America is waking up to the fact that it has almost no public capacity to deal with it.

Instead of a public health system, we have a private for-profit system for individuals lucky enough to afford it and a rickety social insurance system for people fortunate enough to have a full-time job.

At their best, both systems respond to the needs of individuals rather than the needs of the public as a whole. In America, the word “public” – as in public health, public education or public welfare – means a sum total of individual needs, not the common good.

Contrast this with America’s financial system. The Federal Reserve concerns itself with the health of financial markets as a whole. Late last week the Fed made $1.5 trillion available to banks at the slightest hint of difficulties making trades. No one batted an eye.

When it comes to the health of the nation as a whole, money like this isn’t available. And there are no institutions analogous to the Fed with responsibility for overseeing and managing the public’s health – able to whip out a giant checkbook at a moment’s notice to prevent human, rather than financial, devastation.

There is no public health system in the US, in short, because the richest nation in the world has no capacity to protect the public as a whole, apart from national defense.

More at www.truthdig.com/articles/why-america-cant-respond-to-the-current-cris
is/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 27, 2020 6:56 PM (P)

LET'S FEDERALIZE IT!!!!!!!

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Saturday, March 28, 2020 1:08 AM (P)

Nope, let's just make sure people can afford it and have it.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 28, 2020 1:26 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Nope, let's just make sure people can afford it and have it.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

Sounds great. Where do you begin?

Health insurance is a Ponzi Scheme that's been at work for decades artificially inflating the cost of medical care at ten times the rate of inflation to the point that nobody can get any help without it anymore.

Do you even have any idea how much money has gone to pay lawyers, prop up court systems and was given to people over frivolous lawsuits for longer than I've lived?

You might notice the same thing happening right now to your homeowners insurance prices. All of those "ambulance chasers" that call themselves roof repair companies. Those roofs don't get replaced for free. Needless roof repairs is the number one reason that homeowners insurance increases every year. Sometime in our lives, it's very likely that most people won't be able to afford it anymore.

Sure... having a place to live isn't important if you're unhealthy and are about to die because you don't have health insurance, but put a pin in that and tell that to the millions of people who will be destroyed in about 20 years who lost their homes in a tornado or a flood after having paid for homeowners insurance their whole lives and cancelled it the year before because they decided food on the table was more important.

I don't argue with your sentiment, bud. Especially if you don't want to see the Government control it anymore than I do.

I just don't have a clue how you would even begin to fix that problem. Like any other bubble we've suffered through popping in the last few decades, it went ignored for far too long.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WISHIMAY

Saturday, March 28, 2020 2:37 AM (P)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/teen-who-died-of-covid-19-was-denied
-treatment-because-he-didnt-have-health-insurance/ar-BB11N147

Yep, this country is the very best at blowing basic needs. Bigly.

Poor kid.

THG

Saturday, March 28, 2020 2:47 AM (P)

It's called the Affordable Care Act Jack. It was always meant to be reworked and built upon, but the republicans fucked that up. Time to get someone into office who'll improve upon it.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

1KIKI

Saturday, March 28, 2020 3:26 AM (P)

Roof repair, insurance, doctors ... it's the American way of doing business Jack - find a niche and make the most profit possible.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 28, 2020 3:39 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
It's called the Affordable Care Act Jack. It was always meant to be reworked and built upon, but the republicans fucked that up. Time to get someone into office who'll improve upon it.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

Obama oversaw premiums for middle class explode by 300% and now it's 500%.

Even Bill Clinton came out during Hillary's campaign in 2016 and said it was a huge mistake.

No. The ACA was not good and is not the answer in any form.

And the only people who believe the "Affordable" part of that name are on the same level of intelligence who believed the "Patriot" part of the Patriot Act.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 28, 2020 3:41 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Roof repair, insurance, doctors ... it's the American way of doing business Jack - find a niche and make the most profit possible.

Cool. Tell your grandkids that when their house burns down and they're out on the street because they couldn't afford their homeowner's insurance because millions of Americans spent decades getting unnecessary roof repairs and put the premiums out of their ability to pay them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Saturday, March 28, 2020 3:50 AM (P)

Well, if that's the natural outcome of the American way of doing business, you shouldn't have a problem with it. Because you support all private enterprise, and nothing government run.

So quitcha' bitchin'.

THG

Saturday, March 28, 2020 3:59 AM (P)

Like I said Jack, the republicans fucked the ACA up.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 28, 2020 4:08 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Like I said Jack, the republicans fucked the ACA up.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

Hmmmmmm.....

Doubt that, since Obama was running the show with both the house and senate run by Democrats when it passed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 28, 2020 4:09 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well, if that's the natural outcome of the American way of doing business, you shouldn't have a problem with it. Because you support all private enterprise, and nothing government run.

So quitcha' bitchin'.

And some wonder why I'm a nihilist.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Saturday, March 28, 2020 4:42 AM (P)

Whatever.

THG

Saturday, March 28, 2020 4:48 AM (P)

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

SECOND

Saturday, March 28, 2020 6:10 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well, if that's the natural outcome of the American way of doing business, you shouldn't have a problem with it. Because you support all private enterprise, and nothing government run.

So quitcha' bitchin'.

And some wonder why I'm a nihilist.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Scientific American explained why you are a nihilist.

New research contrasts two very different profiles of human nature:

1) “I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart.” – Anne Frank

2) “What’s one less person on the face of the earth, anyway?” – Ted Bundy (and 6ixStringJack)

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-light-triad-v
s-dark-triad-of-personality/

The dark triad of personality consists of:
1. narcissism (entitled self-importance)
2. Machiavellianism (strategic exploitation and deceit)
3. psychopathy (callousness and cynicism)

There is enough overlap among these three "socially aversive" traits that Paulhus has argued that they "should be studied in concert." Indeed, there does appear to be a "dark core" to personality.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 28, 2020 7:20 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well, if that's the natural outcome of the American way of doing business, you shouldn't have a problem with it. Because you support all private enterprise, and nothing government run.

So quitcha' bitchin'.

And some wonder why I'm a nihilist.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Scientific American explained why you are a nihilist.

New research contrasts two very different profiles of human nature:

1) “I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart.” – Anne Frank

2) “What’s one less person on the face of the earth, anyway?” – Ted Bundy (and 6ixStringJack)

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-light-triad-v
s-dark-triad-of-personality/

The dark triad of personality consists of:
1. narcissism (entitled self-importance)
2. Machiavellianism (strategic exploitation and deceit)
3. psychopathy (callousness and cynicism)

There is enough overlap among these three "socially aversive" traits that Paulhus has argued that they "should be studied in concert." Indeed, there does appear to be a "dark core" to personality.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Yup. Because to a simple mind like Second's there are only two personality traits, the world is completely black and white and you are either one or the other.

I'm sure the guy who has advocated that everyone murder their boss and steal everything they own as well as call for the assassination of the President (I'm talking about you Second) is NOT the Anne Frank personality.

That only leaves Ted Bundy for you, bruh.

Do you see how easily you constantly paint yourself into a corner yet? Is the enormity of your abject stupidity and hypocrisy starting to sink in?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

BRENDA

Saturday, March 28, 2020 9:45 AM (P)

There is some slight good news from my corner of North America. Seems British Columbia is starting to see a slim sliver of light at the end of the tunnel. Chief medical officials here are saying that the next 2 weeks will be critical for saying that we have actually flatten the curve.

SECOND

Saturday, March 28, 2020 5:13 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well, if that's the natural outcome of the American way of doing business, you shouldn't have a problem with it. Because you support all private enterprise, and nothing government run.

So quitcha' bitchin'.

And some wonder why I'm a nihilist.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Scientific American explained why you are a nihilist.

New research contrasts two very different profiles of human nature:

1) “I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart.” – Anne Frank

2) “What’s one less person on the face of the earth, anyway?” – Ted Bundy (and 6ixStringJack)

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-light-triad-v
s-dark-triad-of-personality/

The dark triad of personality consists of:
1. narcissism (entitled self-importance)
2. Machiavellianism (strategic exploitation and deceit)
3. psychopathy (callousness and cynicism)

There is enough overlap among these three "socially aversive" traits that Paulhus has argued that they "should be studied in concert." Indeed, there does appear to be a "dark core" to personality.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Yup. Because to a simple mind like Second's there are only two personality traits, the world is completely black and white and you are either one or the other.

I'm sure the guy who has advocated that everyone murder their boss and steal everything they own as well as call for the assassination of the President (I'm talking about you Second) is NOT the Anne Frank personality.

That only leaves Ted Bundy for you, bruh.

Do you see how easily you constantly paint yourself into a corner yet? Is the enormity of your abject stupidity and hypocrisy starting to sink in?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, the key word is "continuum". I will use it in a sentence from the article you could have read in less time than it took you to write a response: "While these three traits had traditionally been studied mostly among clinical populations (e.g., criminals), Paulhus and Williams showed that each of these traits are clearly on a continuum—we are all at least a little bit narcissistic, Machiavellian and psychopathic."
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-light-triad-v
s-dark-triad-of-personality/

The next quote is from 6ixStringJack and today: "Meanwhile... 57 million+ people are going to die in the world in 2020. And a majority of COVID deaths are likely to be people who were going to be a part of that statistic by the end of the year because of the other illnesses they had that made them so weak to it in the first place." That is in the same region as “What’s one less person on the face of the earth, anyway?” – Ted Bundy
I've also heard what 6ix wrote from actual officers serving in Vietnam who never understood why their strategies lost that war. Those officers were very nonchalant about "collateral damage" to civilians and their property, e.g. water buffalo.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&mid=10977
30#1097730

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 28, 2020 5:50 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well, if that's the natural outcome of the American way of doing business, you shouldn't have a problem with it. Because you support all private enterprise, and nothing government run.

So quitcha' bitchin'.

And some wonder why I'm a nihilist.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Scientific American explained why you are a nihilist.

New research contrasts two very different profiles of human nature:

1) “I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart.” – Anne Frank

2) “What’s one less person on the face of the earth, anyway?” – Ted Bundy (and 6ixStringJack)

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-light-triad-v
s-dark-triad-of-personality/

The dark triad of personality consists of:
1. narcissism (entitled self-importance)
2. Machiavellianism (strategic exploitation and deceit)
3. psychopathy (callousness and cynicism)

There is enough overlap among these three "socially aversive" traits that Paulhus has argued that they "should be studied in concert." Indeed, there does appear to be a "dark core" to personality.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Yup. Because to a simple mind like Second's there are only two personality traits, the world is completely black and white and you are either one or the other.

I'm sure the guy who has advocated that everyone murder their boss and steal everything they own as well as call for the assassination of the President (I'm talking about you Second) is NOT the Anne Frank personality.

That only leaves Ted Bundy for you, bruh.

Do you see how easily you constantly paint yourself into a corner yet? Is the enormity of your abject stupidity and hypocrisy starting to sink in?

Do Right, Be Right. :)
6ix, the key word is "continuum". I will use it in a sentence from the article you could have read in less time than it took you to write a response: "While these three traits had traditionally been studied mostly among clinical populations (e.g., criminals), Paulhus and Williams showed that each of these traits are clearly on a continuum—we are all at least a little bit narcissistic, Machiavellian and psychopathic."
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-light-triad-v
s-dark-triad-of-personality/

The next quote is from 6ixStringJack and today: "Meanwhile... 57 million+ people are going to die in the world in 2020. And a majority of COVID deaths are likely to be people who were going to be a part of that statistic by the end of the year because of the other illnesses they had that made them so weak to it in the first place." That is in the same region as “What’s one less person on the face of the earth, anyway?” – Ted Bundy
I've also heard what 6ix wrote from actual officers serving in Vietnam who never understood why their strategies lost that war. Those officers were very nonchalant about "collateral damage" to civilians and their property, e.g. water buffalo.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&mid=10977
30#1097730

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I know what continuum means, idiot.

But your scenario here shows two distinct extremes. Every single post you make does. Your brain is incapable of comprehending nuance, and bereft of any possible shades of grey...

Black and White. Day and Night. Democrat and Republican. Good and Evil. Ann Frank and Ted Bundy.

Your poorly programmed NPC brain is only capable of Binary. Ones and Zeros.

I'll state it again because you're stupid

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 28, 2020 6:11 PM (P)

Quote:
KIKI Well, if that's the natural outcome of the American way of doing business, you shouldn't have a problem with it. Because you support all private enterprise, and nothing government run. So quitcha' bitchin'.

SIX And some wonder why I'm a nihilist.

No,I don't wonder why. You've painted yourself into a corner, SIX, that's why. Might want to unpaint yourself.

Quote:
SECOND: New research contrasts two very different profiles of human nature:
1) “I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart.” – Anne Frank
2) “What’s one less person on the face of the earth, anyway?” – Ted Bundy (and 6ixStringJack)
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-light-triad-v
s-dark-triad-of-personality/

The dark triad of personality consists of:
1. narcissism (entitled self-importance)
2. Machiavellianism (strategic exploitation and deceit)
3. psychopathy (callousness and cynicism)
There is enough overlap among these three "socially aversive" traits that Paulhus has argued that they "should be studied in concert." Indeed, there does appear to be a "dark core" to personality.]

SIX: Yup. Because to a simple mind like Second's there are only two personality traits, the world is completely black and white and you are either one or the other.
I'm sure the guy who has advocated that everyone murder their boss and steal everything they own as well as call for the assassination of the President (I'm talking about you Second) is NOT the Anne Frank personality.
That only leaves Ted Bundy for you, bruh.
Do you see how easily you constantly paint yourself into a corner yet? Is the enormity of your abject stupidity and hypocrisy starting to sink in?

SECOND: 6ix, the key word is "continuum"... blah blah ...
The next quote is from 6ixStringJack and today: "Meanwhile... 57 million+ people are going to die in the world in 2020. And a majority of COVID deaths are likely to be people who were going to be a part of that statistic by the end of the year because of the other illnesses they had that made them so weak to it in the first place." That is in the same region as “What’s one less person on the face of the earth, anyway?” – Ted Bundy

True, that.

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I've also heard what 6ix wrote from actual officers serving in Vietnam who never understood why their strategies lost that war. Those officers were very nonchalant about "collateral damage" to civilians and their property, e.g. water buffalo.

SIX wrote that? DOUBTFUL

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SIX: I know what contiuum means, idiot. But your scenario here shows two distinct extremes. Every single post you make does. Black and White. Day and Night. Democrat and Republican. Good and Evil. Ann Frank and Ted Bundy.
Your poorly programmed NPC brain is only capable of Binary. 1 and Zero.
I'll state it again because you're stupid. You are Ted Bundy in an either/or situation.
You're no Anne Frank, buddy.

AND NEITHER ARE YOU, SIX. Whatever happened to

Quote:
Do Right, Be Right.

Stress ... REAL stress ... brings out the worst in people. SECOND is an asshole 95% of the time because he's responding to stress from 60 years ago 95% of the time. Don't be SECOND.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 28, 2020 6:28 PM (P)

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KIKI Well, if that's the natural outcome of the American way of doing business, you shouldn't have a problem with it. Because you support all private enterprise, and nothing government run. So quitcha' bitchin'.

SIX And some wonder why I'm a nihilist.
No,I don't wonder why. You've painted yourself into a corner, SIX, that's why. Might want to unpaint yourself.

How have I painted myself in a corner? I'm going to need you to elaborate on what exactly you mean here.

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I've also heard what 6ix wrote from actual officers serving in Vietnam who never understood why their strategies lost that war. Those officers were very nonchalant about "collateral damage" to civilians and their property, e.g. water buffalo.

SIX wrote that? DOUBTFUL

No. That's not what he meant, but I had to read it a few times myself to catch what he was throwing there because it's so poorly worded. Once again, in is binary little world, he is making the equation that SIX = Ted Bundy = US Officers in Vietnam he had to answer to, while Second = Anne Frank.

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SIX: I know what contiuum means, idiot. But your scenario here shows two distinct extremes. Every single post you make does. Black and White. Day and Night. Democrat and Republican. Good and Evil. Ann Frank and Ted Bundy.
Your poorly programmed NPC brain is only capable of Binary. 1 and Zero.
I'll state it again because you're stupid. You are Ted Bundy in an either/or situation.
You're no Anne Frank, buddy.

AND NEITHER ARE YOU, SIX. Whatever happened to
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Do Right, Be Right.

Nuance isn't lost on me. I'm completely able to see all the shades of grey and I don't live in a binary world of black and white.

You'll never once hear me say that I'm Anne Frank. You can go back 14 years in posts here and not only will you never hear me make that claim or anything remotely similar to it, but you'll find mountains of evidence to the contrary. I'm no angel.

But my point is that Second's posts this morning calling me Ted Bundy make the highly delusional implication that he, himself, is Anne Frank.

Sure. I recognize that in Second's binary world of only the two choices of Ted Bundy and Anne Frank, I am Ted Bundy. I'm simply pointing out that in his completely imaginary and hilariously over-simplified world view that he is as well.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 28, 2020 6:41 PM (P)

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The society is unarguably the omnibus of good and evil unparalleled forces. No segment of the society irrespective of its nomenclature, religious or cultural affiliation can presently or will ever claim monopoly of transacting only good or evil. Nature naturally permits dual operation of the two realities; they co-exist, merge, blend, cyclical in succession and never mutually exclusive in any single known entity. Every living individual is a bundle of the two forces, choked by both but with the impelled choice to decide depending on circumstances and self-willed on which force to adhere to.

It is a display of social, spiritual and political ignorant for anyone to continue to identify a particular religion, race, class, ethnicity or even political party as completely evil or completely good. It only appears safer to conclude that a man or group of men are either less evil or less good, and as indicated previously, in as much as there is no known purely good or purely bad men, there is equally no known or established strictly conglomeration of evil or good men. A group only appears good when circumstantially or momentarily, majority of the members, attendees are less evil inclined or in action, and accordingly tagged evil when majority are less good. Less evil obviously does not signify absent of evil or absolute goodness, neither does less good denotes absent of good but just perceived domination of a particular trait by most of the people which deceptively form a canopy for the group.

In other words...

Anne Frank was no Anne Frank either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Saturday, March 28, 2020 9:07 PM (P)

Just kill yourself now Jack. You know you're going to do it. You're such a mess I can't see anything leading to your salvation. (Preservation or deliverance from harm, ruin, or loss.)

Attacking Anne Frank; common. Do it Jack, the world won't morn your loss I promise you.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:00 PM (P)

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Originally posted by THG:
Just kill yourself now Jack. You know you're going to do it. You're such a mess I can't see anything leading to your salvation. (Preservation or deliverance from harm, ruin, or loss.)

Attacking Anne Frank; common. Do it Jack, the world won't morn your loss I promise you.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

You see the type of people we have to deal with on here?

Honestly bro, your malignant personality is only rivaled by your stupidity.

Show me where I attacked Anne Frank.

On second thought, don't bother. We all know that you lack all of the mental faculties to read and comprehend the two paragraphs that came before my single sentence.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:14 PM (P)

Oh, and by the way. You're lucky this isn't Twitter. I could actually have you jailed for what you just wrote to me if it was. And no, I'm not talking about some dumb shit Kiki-style monetary law suits. I'm talking giving you a year or more in prison to re-think telling people to kill themselves online.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media_and_suicide

By all means, feel completely free to leave that up there and let everybody see you for the gross human being you are though. Nothing a little boot licking little shit like you says would ever make me waste the time and money necessary to start legal proceedings against you.

In the mean time, also feel completely free to view the archived page of the conversation here, if you decide that you no longer want that on your post history.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200328171636/http://fireflyfans.net/mthr
ead.aspx?bid=18&tid=63571&p=2

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Sunday, March 29, 2020 5:52 PM (P)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I know what continuum means, idiot.

But your scenario here shows two distinct extremes. Every single post you make does. Your brain is incapable of comprehending nuance, and bereft of any possible shades of grey...

Black and White. Day and Night. Democrat and Republican. Good and Evil. Ann Frank and Ted Bundy.

Your poorly programmed NPC brain is only capable of Binary. Ones and Zeros.

I'll state it again because you're stupid. You are Ted Bundy in an either/or situation.

'Cause let me tell ya... You are no Anne Frank, buddy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Let us see if 6ix can be haughty and display his superiority complex ("an attitude of superiority which conceals actual feelings of inferiority and failure") about this comparison:

Why virus denial resembles climate denial.

Let me summarize the Trump administration/right-wing media view on the coronavirus: It’s a hoax, or anyway no big deal. Besides, trying to do anything about it would destroy the economy. And it’s China’s fault, which is why we should call it the “Chinese virus.”

Oh, and epidemiologists who have been modeling the virus’s future spread have come under sustained attack, accused of being part of a “deep state” plot against Donald Trump, or maybe free markets.

Does all this give you a sense of déjà vu? It should. After all, it’s very similar to the Trump/right-wing line on climate change. Here’s what Trump tweeted back in 2012: “The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing noncompetitive.” It’s all there: it’s a hoax, doing anything about it will destroy the economy, and let’s blame China.

And epidemiologists startled to find their best scientific efforts denounced as politically motivated fraud should have known what was coming. After all, exactly the same thing happened to climate scientists, who have faced constant harassment for decades.

So the right-wing response to Covid-19 has been almost identical to the right-wing response to climate change, albeit on a vastly accelerated time scale. But what lies behind this kind of denialism?

Climate denial is supported almost entirely by fossil-fuel interests. As Upton Sinclair put it, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” It’s less obvious who gains from minimizing the dangers of a pandemic. Among other things, the time scale is vastly compressed compared with climate change: the consequences of global warming will take many decades to play out, giving fossil-fuel interests plenty of time to take the money and run, but we’re already seeing catastrophic consequences of virus denial after just a few weeks.

But I suspect that the disastrous response to Covid-19 has been shaped less by direct self-interest than by two indirect ways.

First, when you have a political movement almost entirely built around assertions than any expert can tell you are false, you have to cultivate an attitude of disdain toward expertise, one that spills over into everything. Once you dismiss people who look at evidence on the effects of greenhouse gas emissions, you’re already primed to dismiss people who look at evidence on disease transmission.

Second, conservatives do hold one true belief: namely, that there is a kind of halo effect around successful government policies. If public intervention can be effective in one area, they fear — probably rightly — that voters might look more favorably on government intervention in other areas. In principle, public health measures to limit the spread of coronavirus needn’t have much implication for the future of social programs like Medicaid. In practice, the first tends to increase support for the second.

As a result, the right often opposes government interventions even when they clearly serve the public good and have nothing to do with redistributing income, simply because they don’t want voters to see governmen

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Sunday, March 29, 2020 6:53 PM (P)

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Originally posted by second:
Does all this give you a sense of déjà vu? It should. After all, it’s very similar to the Trump/right-wing line on climate change. Here’s what Trump tweeted back in 2012: “The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing noncompetitive.” It’s all there: it’s a hoax, doing anything about it will destroy the economy, and let’s blame China.

And epidemiologists startled to find their best scientific efforts denounced as politically motivated fraud should have known what was coming. After all, exactly the same thing happened to climate scientists, who have faced constant harassment for decades.

So the right-wing response to Covid-19 has been almost identical to the right-wing response to climate change, albeit on a vastly accelerated time scale. But what lies behind this kind of denialism?

Similar:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fiona-hill-trumps-coronavirus-talk-sound
s-a-lot-like-russias

Trump’s Coronavirus Talk Sounds a Lot Like Russia’s

"Now back at the Brookings Institution and an expert on Russian disinformation, she talked to The Daily Beast about how Russia and China are exploiting the coronavirus pandemic. She (Fiona Hill) began by noting, “The way the president refers to the ‘Chinese virus’ is not helpful. It’s a way of deflecting responsibility for the outcome, and that’s exactly what the Chinese and Russians are doing themselves.”

China’s goal is to head off a huge public backlash in which countries might even try to sue China for reparations. “The Chinese bear a great deal of responsibility for covering up and trying to deny the early outbreak,” she said. “China should be the skunk at everybody’s party. They don’t want to take responsibility for letting a localized virus become a global pandemic. And now with the United States in a prostrate position, they can step in and take on a leader’s role.”

Turning to Russia, Hill said its behavior fits into a longstanding pattern that began with the AIDS epidemic in the 1980s. Back then, the KGB launched a fairly successful covert disinformation campaign dubbed “Operation Infektion” to convince people that the virus was really a U.S. biological weapon. That was easy for people to believe because they knew governments experimented on vulnerable people.

“We’ve been in this space a long time where there is a lot of misinformation that takes on a life of its own, and governments use it for propaganda purposes, to deflect from their own shortcomings, and to mobilize the population against an external enemy,” said Hill.

“We’ve been in this space a long time where there is a lot of misinformation that takes on a life of its own, and governments use it for propaganda purposes.”

“We continue to see accounts aligned with Russian State media work to sow discord in the United States by amplifying divisive content,” explains Daniel J. Jones, founder of the non-profit public investigations group, Advance Democracy, Inc. (ADI). “We typically track these efforts to exacerbate tensions in the context of elections, but we’re now seeing these accounts amplify divisive content relating to the COVID-19 global pandemic, to include offensive content relating to race.”

Jones pointed to how Russia’s English-language state-media outlets have played up both sides of the debate over whether to label the coronavirus by its official name, COVID-19, or the racially charged “Wuhan virus” preferred by the Trump administration. State-backed TV channel RT has blown off criticism of the “Wuhan virus”-style branding and wondered aloud whether the debate is “just media-manufactured outrage?” while the Russia-funded In the Now outlet highlighted the racist attacks on those of Asian descent that have taken place since the outbreak.

The European Union’s strategic communications division, which monitors Russian and other disinformation narratives, released a report in mid-March that found Kremlin propaganda was identifying and amplifying coronavirus

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 29, 2020 8:42 PM (P)

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I know what continuum means, idiot.

But your scenario here shows two distinct extremes. Every single post you make does. Your brain is incapable of comprehending nuance, and bereft of any possible shades of grey...

Black and White. Day and Night. Democrat and Republican. Good and Evil. Ann Frank and Ted Bundy.

Your poorly programmed NPC brain is only capable of Binary. Ones and Zeros.

I'll state it again because you're stupid. You are Ted Bundy in an either/or situation.

'Cause let me tell ya... You are no Anne Frank, buddy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Let us see if 6ix can be haughty and display his superiority complex ("an attitude of superiority which conceals actual feelings of inferiority and failure") about this comparison:

No. That's alright. We can go right back to the conversation we were already having without you trying to derail it.

Try again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Sunday, March 29, 2020 9:31 PM (P)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

No. That's alright. We can go right back to the conversation we were already having without you trying to derail it.

Try again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You've told us what you feel about Covid-19. What are your feelings on climate change? Is it no big deal, can't do anything about it anyway, shutting down coal will kill industry in Indiana?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 29, 2020 9:55 PM (P)

No. That's alright. We can go right back to the conversation we were already having without you trying to derail it.

Try again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:09 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No. That's alright. We can go right back to the conversation we were already having without you trying to derail it.

Try again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You mean the "conversation" where you're threatening people with jail for what they wrote about you? You're getting more like Trump everyday. I look forward to you calling the police and that November election. I really want to know if 6ix can get his "enemies" jailed and how many people approve of the job Trump is doing. Will they have forgotten he ran his mouth for months about Covid-19 being nothing and will they fondly remember his sales and marketing tactics and his self-help tips from The Power of Positive Thinking?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:50 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No. That's alright. We can go right back to the conversation we were already having without you trying to derail it.

Try again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You mean the "conversation" where you're threatening people with jail for what they wrote about you?

Nope. The I'm referring to the conversation that we were having before T came in and told me to kill myself.

Either go back to that conversation, or fuck right off with your simple-minded bullshit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Sunday, March 29, 2020 11:42 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No. That's alright. We can go right back to the conversation we were already having without you trying to derail it.

Try again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You mean the "conversation" where you're threatening people with jail for what they wrote about you? You're getting more like Trump everyday. I look forward to you calling the police and that November election. I really want to know if 6ix can get his "enemies" jailed and how many people approve of the job Trump is doing. Will they have forgotten he ran his mouth for months about Covid-19 being nothing and will they fondly remember his sales and marketing tactics and his self-help tips from The Power of Positive Thinking?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Correct Second. Can't wait till election day myself.

tick tock

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

THG

Sunday, March 29, 2020 11:56 PM (P)

U.S. could face 200,000 coronavirus deaths, millions of cases, Fauci warns

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u-s-virus-deaths-could-reach-200-000
-fauci-warns-as-medical-supplies-run-short/ar-BB11S5uv?ocid=msedgntp

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

SECOND

Monday, March 30, 2020 12:03 AM (P)

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Originally posted by THG:

Correct Second. Can't wait till election day myself.

tick tock

It might be as historic as Herbert Hoover vs FDR in 1932 with FDR being steadily smarter than Hoover. Or it might be Bush vs John Kerry in 2004 where an incompetent President was reelected. It was pretty obvious that Bush would get stupider the longer he ruled. Remember second term Hurricane Katrina and the Iraq Insurgency and the Financial Crisis of 2007–08? Trump will get stupider the longer he rules, same as Bush did.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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