Have Western Neo-Feminists now destoryed 'The West'?
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Even though you joined this site today, you dug up this thread instead of posting in anything current. Strange, besides, its the women who are fed up with the men. Their gripe is they are selfish, self-centered and immature. So this thread is baseless. 
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Originally posted by AWOMAN:
I was a teen in the late 70s / early 80s. Poor male behavior influenced me to become an independent woman. My father was horrible to my mother and was constantly trying to get some on the side. Additionally, I grew up in the era where it become horrible to "trap" a man. "Trap" became equated to an unplanned pregnancy and so instead of "trap" abortion became the way to "un-trap" both genders from shot gun marriages. But with abortion came the notion of easy free sex and no one was trustworthy to be faithful. Marriage was no longer a sought out institution instead the view was being changed to "a unhappy, life sucking trap".
Is all the above "feminism"? Or a instead just a female need to support herself in a culture gone terrible wrong?
As a woman in today's anti marriage culture (which started back in the 70s), I need to support myself and I need to prepare for my own retirement. I prefer to do that via a job versus prostitution (as was used in ancient past when a women did not have a man to provide for her).
Again, did feminism due this or did the industrial revolution and the sexual revolution?
I am now a woman in her mid 50s and divorced. Upon divorce, I did not take an alimony, assets were split 50/50 per state law. I am happy for both myself and my ex that we were able to walk away from our marriage without either of us having to give the other any of our retirement accounts holdings. In the future, I see women earning more hence the issue men have with divorce and having to give up part of their retirement for a woman they want out of their life, ceasing. Isn't this exactly what men are wanting when they say the divorce laws need changing as they screw men?
As a 50ish year old woman, I can tell you that the current culture even of men my age, the chose to not grow up until they are in their mid 40s or whenever they get divorced (divorce has a way of making a man grow up). Frankly, I wished I had got divorced just 5 years into our marriage versus 25, it became a challenge raising 3 children and a child husband.
Did feminism create child husbands?
I choose today just to date, I will never remarry. I enjoy dating you men, you are interesting and full of energy but I chose to enjoy the work I do, my independence, freedom and I don't desire to have to take care of another person as I have already been a Mom to three children.
My advice to my 3 daughters has been to get a good job so that if your relationship with a man does not workout you can provide for yourself and any children you have. Many fathers will abandon their children but it is a rare mother that will abandon hers and most mothers I know want to provide a great life for their children.
Did feminism change male / female relationships and the family unit or was the culture that values freedom and independence? I think that the vast majority of men who want to blame feminism choose not to look at the larger picture instead they pine for a past period (that even they don't want to return to yet they want women to return to it).
I have several male friends that frankly, would be pretty difficult to live with, that have all went and got foreign wives. Yes, wives as they have been through numerous divorces. These men have been shocked that these marriages didn't work out. It doesn't bother me in the least American men chosing foreign wives because at the end of the day, the men who choose to be a good man to their woman (and vise versa) will be the ones that find success in marriage.
Blaming feminism lets men off the hoo
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I'm so glad I never got married. What a horrible thing to do to yourself.
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Quote:You don't get laid much, do you?
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Talking to yourself on a thread that's been dead for over a month. Three worthless tidbits of pro-femme information.
What's the matter Wishy? Somebody make you feel like a 2nd class citizen for being a woman today?
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Here's another thing men are apparently better at. 
The Legal Medicine in Hamburg alone recorded 40 accidental autoerotic deaths between 1983 and 2003 with all victims aged between 13 and 79, The Local reports.
Victims are usually men, Voß said, since women were 'more cautious and don't incorporate so many intricacies'.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5367569/Masturbation-kills-100
-Germans-year-study-finds.html#ixzz56YjNQ0E3
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Here's another thing men are apparently better at.
The Legal Medicine in Hamburg alone recorded 40 accidental autoerotic deaths between 1983 and 2003 with all victims aged between 13 and 79, The Local reports.
Victims are usually men, Voß said, since women were 'more cautious and don't incorporate so many intricacies'.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5367569/Masturbation-kills-100
-Germans-year-study-finds.html#ixzz56YjNQ0E3
Sounds to me that men are winning this one because they are more imaginative and take more risks. That pretty much sums up why men are better at almost everything. ;)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sounds to me that men are winning this one because they are more imaginative and take more risks.
Or it could be that these people are too dumb to realize what they are doing will KILL them. But, sure... you think positive on that one
"One man - wearing pantyhose, a raincoat and a diving suit as well as a plastic bag over his head - died in Hamburg after sitting next to a heater and trying to melt slices of cheese on his body."
"Another man in Halle was found dead with Christmas tree lights clamped to his nipples having apparently tried to stimulate himself by electrocution"
Yeah, lets all
give a shout out to all those guys who off themselves in imaginative ways. At least they provide the rest of us with entertainment...NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:2 per year? That is astonishing! Perhaps you are discounting why women have ready access to somebody who will choke them.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Sounds to me that men are winning this one because they are more imaginative and take more risks. That pretty much sums up why men are better at almost everything. ;)
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Here's another thing men are apparently better at.
The Legal Medicine in Hamburg alone recorded 40 accidental autoerotic deaths between 1983 and 2003 with all victims aged between 13 and 79, The Local reports.
Victims are usually men, Voß said, since women were 'more cautious and don't incorporate so many intricacies'.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5367569/Masturbation-kills-100
-Germans-year-study-finds.html#ixzz56YjNQ0E3
Do Right, Be Right. :)
What do 200,000 battered women have in common?
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They just don't know how to LISTEN!
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sounds to me that men are winning this one because they are more imaginative and take more risks.
Or it could be that these people are too dumb to realize what they are doing will KILL them. But, sure... you think positive on that one
"One man - wearing pantyhose, a raincoat and a diving suit as well as a plastic bag over his head - died in Hamburg after sitting next to a heater and trying to melt slices of cheese on his body."
"Another man in Halle was found dead with Christmas tree lights clamped to his nipples having apparently tried to stimulate himself by electrocution"
Yeah, lets all
Oh, I definitely won't admit to not laughing my ass off when I hear about these types of stories. Darwin Award deaths in general are amusing as hell. You've got to take the good with the bad though, Princess.
Maybe if more women were found after having tried to get off while scrambling eggs on their titties while taking a bubble bath then perhaps one of them in the history mankind would have been responsible for harnessing electricity, or inventing the phone, or the radio, or the TV, or the internet, or the camera, or the video recorder, or the airplane, or rockets, or [insert any worthwhile invention ever made here].
There's no shortage of brilliant men over the years who have invented marvelous things that we take for granted every day. Conversely, there were no shortage of woman that would have otherwise been out of their league who married them.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Ha!
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Oh, I definitely won't admit to not laughing my ass off when I hear about these types of stories. Darwin Award deaths in general are amusing as hell. You've got to take the good with the bad though, Princess.
Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:Or it could be that these people are too dumb to realize what they are doing will KILL them. But, sure... you think positive on that one
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sounds to me that men are winning this one because they are more imaginative and take more risks.
"One man - wearing pantyhose, a raincoat and a diving suit as well as a plastic bag over his head - died in Hamburg after sitting next to a heater and trying to melt slices of cheese on his body."
"Another man in Halle was found dead with Christmas tree lights clamped to his nipples having apparently tried to stimulate himself by electrocution"
Yeah, lets all
Maybe if more women were found after having tried to get off while scrambling eggs on their titties while taking a bubble bath then perhaps one of them in the history mankind would have been responsible for harnessing electricity, or inventing the phone, or the radio, or the TV, or the internet, or the camera, or the video recorder, or the airplane, or rockets, or [insert any worthwhile invention ever made here].
There's no shortage of brilliant men over the years who have invented marvelous things that we take for granted every day. Conversely, there were no shortage of woman that would have otherwise been out of their league who married them.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
BungBetty's reality check.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
What do 200,000 battered women have in common?
Assholic males?
They're armed, angry, and wouldn't give you the time of day?? They and the REST of womankind, that is.
Stay classy, JSF. You never fail to prove the need for eugenics in this country
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There's no shortage of brilliant men over the years who have invented marvelous things that we take for granted every day. Conversely, there were no shortage of woman that would have otherwise been out of their league who married them.
You are WITHOUT A DOUBT...the DENSEST motherfucker I have ever had the misfortune to share the internet with.
In MOST societies women were not allowed to own land, vote, be educated, do ANYTHING without male approval BECAUSE MEN HAVE GENERALLY BEEN THUGS FOR THE WHOLE OF HUMAN HISTORY.
The fact that you would gloat over the violent slavery of ANYONE... IS SICK.
You GODDAMNED NAZI...I truly hope and wish the next person I know that gets in a horrible accident IS YOU. I hope you end up a drooling veg that they use for PARTS. Be worth a hella lot more than you are NOW.
SERIOUSLY. EAT SHIT AND DIE, SCUM. And take JSF with you!!!
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
You are WITHOUT A DOUBT...the DENSEST motherfucker I have ever had the misfortune to share the internet with.
Just stop Wishy. You just embarass yourself more with every word you write.
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In MOST societies women were not allowed to own land, vote, be educated, do ANYTHING without male approval BECAUSE MEN HAVE GENERALLY BEEN THUGS FOR THE WHOLE OF HUMAN HISTORY.
Cause you were there and you saw it all. Okay. Let's say for argument's sake I just agree with everything you just said. They haven't been without education, unable to own land, vote or do things without male approval since quite a while before we were born. Name one meaningful invention that comes close to matching anything I mentioned that a woman in modern society can make a claim to.
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The fact that you would gloat over the violent slavery of ANYONE... IS SICK.
What are you talking about crazy woman. Please show me where I did any such thing.
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You GODDAMNED NAZI...
And you're a goddamned idiot that doesn't even know what that word means.
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I truly hope and wish the next person I know that gets in a horrible accident IS YOU.
Wow. Classy.
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I hope you end up a drooling veg that they use for PARTS.
You're sure winning everyone over to your side with honey, aren't ya Princess?
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Be worth a hella lot more than you are NOW.
Seriously. Find that pill bottle and take some before you hurt yourself or somebody you care about.
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SERIOUSLY. EAT SHIT AND DIE, SCUM. And take JSF with you!!!
Have a great weekend, Wishy.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There's no shortage of brilliant men over the years who have invented marvelous things that we take for granted every day. Conversely, there were no shortage of woman that would have otherwise been out of their league who married them.
You are WITHOUT A DOUBT...the DENSEST motherfucker I have ever had the misfortune to share the internet with.
In MOST societies women were not allowed to own land, vote, be educated, do ANYTHING without male approval BECAUSE MEN HAVE GENERALLY BEEN THUGS FOR THE WHOLE OF HUMAN HISTORY.
The fact that you would gloat over the violent slavery of ANYONE... IS SICK.
You GODDAMNED NAZI...I truly hope and wish the next person I know that gets in a horrible accident IS YOU. I hope you end up a drooling veg that they use for PARTS. Be worth a hella lot more than you are NOW.
SERIOUSLY. EAT SHIT AND DIE, SCUM. And take JSF with you!!!
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Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:There are times when some intellectuals ponder if it was a mistake for White Men to cave in and vote to grant hysterical psychotic women the opportunity to vote.
Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:You are WITHOUT A DOUBT...the DENSEST motherfucker I have ever had the misfortune to share the internet with.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There's no shortage of brilliant men over the years who have invented marvelous things that we take for granted every day. Conversely, there were no shortage of woman that would have otherwise been out of their league who married them.
In MOST societies women were not allowed to own land, vote, be educated, do ANYTHING without male approval BECAUSE MEN HAVE GENERALLY BEEN THUGS FOR THE WHOLE OF HUMAN HISTORY.
The fact that you would gloat over the violent slavery of ANYONE... IS SICK.
You GODDAMNED NAZI...I truly hope and wish the next person I know that gets in a horrible accident IS YOU. I hope you end up a drooling veg that they use for PARTS. Be worth a hella lot more than you are NOW.
SERIOUSLY. EAT SHIT AND DIE, SCUM. And take JSF with you!!!
And sometimes pertinent examples of arguments present themselves.
BungBetty just gives females a bad rep.
Sometimes it can be pointed out that there are meds for that, but sometimes even massive meds cannot help some people.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Cause you were there and you saw it all. Okay. Let's say for argument's sake I just agree with everything you just said. They haven't been without education, unable to own land, vote or do things without male approval since quite a while before we were born. Name one meaningful invention that comes close to matching anything I mentioned that a woman in modern society can make a claim to.
White women couldn't vote until the 20's, and black women not until the 60's. Let's chain men into the same kind of slavery for the next FIVE THOUSAND years, and see if you can crawl out of that in less than 100 years, dope.
Not that you can read, but..
http://mentalfloss.com/article/53164/19-things-you-might-not-know-were
-invented-women
I'm sure that after today, both Frem and I regret ever haven spoken to you. I meant EVERY WORD.
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Quote:more classy retort.
Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Cause you were there and you saw it all. Okay. Let's say for argument's sake I just agree with everything you just said. They haven't been without education, unable to own land, vote or do things without male approval since quite a while before we were born. Name one meaningful invention that comes close to matching anything I mentioned that a woman in modern society can make a claim to.
White women couldn't vote until the 20's, and black women not until the 60's. Let's chain men into the same kind of slavery for the next FIVE THOUSAND years, and see if you can crawl out of that in less than 100 years, dope.
Not that you can read, but..
http://mentalfloss.com/article/53164/19-things-you-might-not-know-were
-invented-women
I'm sure that after today, both Frem and I regret every haven spoken to you. I meant EVERY WORD.
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I guess I'm speaking to the not-psychotic-yet-still-unpleasant-Wishy now. How's life been treating ya, Sybil?
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
White women couldn't vote until the 20's, and black women not until the 60's. Let's chain men into the same kind of slavery for the next FIVE THOUSAND years, and see if you can crawl out of that in less than 100 years, dope.
And therein lies the problem with modern Feminism. That is exactly what you want to happen. The movement is nothing about equality anymore and is now about superiority. Thank you once again to be proving that point and being a shining example of why many women today are turning their backs on the movement.
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Not that you can read, but..
http://mentalfloss.com/article/53164/19-things-you-might-not-know-were
-invented-women
Don't be petty. I shut your idiocy down constantly. You sound absolutely retarded when you try to insult my intelligence, Princess.
But I'll play your game. Hrmmmm.... Monopoly you say? Disposable diapers? Scotchguard? Wow! A folding cabinet bed? The Dishwasher!!!??? A foot pedal trash can.
Surely, these are things that we just cannot live without today, right along the lines of electricity, cars, television, computers....
Oh wait... didn't your article say... Why yes it did. LOLOLOL. It actually says that a woman invented the first computer.
Um, nope. No citations at all from Amanda Green of Mental Floss provided for any of her claims here, but I won't even bother arguing any of the other points. There is no instance in this universe where a woman invented the first computer, although it's arguable who exactly it can be attributed to depending on what your particular parameters are.
I'm pretty sure that YOU know how to read. Here's a few links with actual citations that completely prove that one false.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Vincent_Atanasoff
https://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/inventions/who-invented-t
he-computer.htm
If that doesn't grab ya, Google disagrees strongly with you as well. Just type in "who invented the computer" with or without quotes and every instance of "People also ask" will give you a long list of different men who invented different types of them over the years up until Steve Wozniak who invented the first PC.
Go peddle your fake news to somebody who will buy it, Princess.
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I'm sure that after today, both Frem and I regret every haven spoken to you. I meant EVERY WORD.
When it comes to you, Princess, the feeling is absolutely mutual. You should probably leave others out of your own personal quarrels though. It is rather unbecoming.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Wait, is she saying that algore was a woman when he invented the computer?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I guess I'm speaking to the not-psychotic-yet-still-unpleasant-Wishy now. How's life been treating ya, Sybil?Quote:And therein lies the problem with modern Feminism. That is exactly what you want to happen. The movement is nothing about equality anymore and is now about superiority. Thank you once again to be proving that point and being a shining example of why many women today are turning their backs on the movement.
Originally posted by Wishimay:
White women couldn't vote until the 20's, and black women not until the 60's. Let's chain men into the same kind of slavery for the next FIVE THOUSAND years, and see if you can crawl out of that in less than 100 years, dope.Quote:Don't be petty. I shut your idiocy down constantly. You sound absolutely retarded when you try to insult my intelligence, Princess.
Not that you can read, but..
http://mentalfloss.com/article/53164/19-things-you-might-not-know-were
-invented-women
But I'll play your game. Hrmmmm.... Monopoly you say? Disposable diapers? Scotchguard? Wow! A folding cabinet bed? The Dishwasher!!!??? A foot pedal trash can.
Surely, these are things that we just cannot live without today, right along the lines of electricity, cars, television, computers....
Oh wait... didn't your article say... Why yes it did. LOLOLOL. It actually says that a woman invented the first computer.
I believe everything the movies tell me, which was that Stephen Turning invented the computer, played by Cumberbatch.
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Um, nope. No citations at all from Amanda Green of Mental Floss provided for any of her claims here, but I won't even bother arguing any of the other points. There is no instance in this universe where a woman invented the first computer, although it's arguable who exactly it can be attributed to depending on what your particular parameters are.
I'm pretty sure that YOU know how to read. Here's a few links with actual citations that completely prove that one false.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Vincent_Atanasoff
https://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/inventions/who-invented-t
he-computer.htm
If that doesn't grab ya, Google disagrees strongly with you as well. Just type in "who invented the computer" with or without quotes and every instance of "People also ask" will give you a long list of different men who invented different types of them over the years up until Steve Wozniak who invented the first PC.
Go peddle your fake news to somebody who will buy it, Princess.Quote:When it comes to you, Princess, the feeling is absolutely mutual. You should probably leave others out of your own personal quarrels though. It is rather unbecoming.
I'm sure that after today, both Frem and I regret every haven spoken to you. I meant EVERY WORD.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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More Silly Women:
Rachel Carson, biology, naturalist, environmental pioneer
Marie Curie, radium, pdonium, radioactivity
Irène Joliot-Curie, chemistry
Rosalind Franklin, DNA pioneer
Brenda Hale, law
Grace Hopper, computer language
Selma Lagerlöf, literature
Hedy Lamarr, math, wireless communication
Mary Leakey, archaeologist, anthropologist
Ada Lovelace, mathematician, mechanical computer
Rita Levi-Montalcini, physiology, medicine
Barbara McClintock, botany, genetics, physiology
Lise Meitner, physics, chemistry
Rita Levi-Montalcini, neurology
Amalie Emmy Noether, mathematics
What I notice about geniuses: Brilliant in their field,
They are sometimes dunderheads about mundane stuff.
Like Mr. Spock -- trying to understand human behavior.
... oooOO}{OOooo ...
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
White women couldn't vote until the 20's, and black women not until the 60's. Let's chain men into the same kind of slavery for the next FIVE THOUSAND years and see if you can crawl out of that in less than 100 years, dope.
I WAS using that as an example of why women haven't been able to do as much, but WOW do you deserve to live the rest of your life in chains. Both of you.
I repeat...EAT SHIT AND DIE, SCUM.
Don't dirty your brain with these idiots, Oonj. They aren't worth the effort.
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Quote:I don't really follow those feilds, so I only knew about Hedy Lamarr and Grace Hopper. I was thinking Hedy also helped the Nazi Navy with more military weaponry or methods, Engineering.
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
More Silly Women:
Rachel Carson, biology, naturalist, environmental pioneer
Marie Curie, radium, pdonium, radioactivity
Irène Joliot-Curie, chemistry
Rosalind Franklin, DNA pioneer
Brenda Hale, law
Grace Hopper, computer language
Selma Lagerlöf, literature
Hedy Lamarr, math, wireless communication
Mary Leakey, archaeologist, anthropologist
Ada Lovelace, mathematician, mechanical computer
Rita Levi-Montalcini, physiology, medicine
Barbara McClintock, botany, genetics, physiology
Lise Meitner, physics, chemistry
Rita Levi-Montalcini, neurology
Amalie Emmy Noether, mathematics
What I notice about geniuses: Brilliant in their field,
They are sometimes dunderheads about mundane stuff.
Like Mr. Spock -- trying to understand human behavior.
... oooOO}{OOooo ...
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
White women couldn't vote until the 20's, and black women not until the 60's. Let's chain men into the same kind of slavery for the next FIVE THOUSAND years and see if you can crawl out of that in less than 100 years, dope.
I WAS using that as an example of why women haven't been able to do as much, but WOW do you deserve to live the rest of your life in chains. Both of you.
I repeat...EAT SHIT AND DIE, SCUM.
Don't dirty your brain with these idiots, Oonj. They aren't worth the effort.
Do try to keep in mind, Princess, that once again it was you who started it by adding a few ridiculous deaths by some very, very sad men to the long list of why people should look down on and or despise the male sex and/or why females are so much greater than men, or whatever the hell your point was.
You constantly bring this upon yourself, and when your pea brain can't keep up with me and you grow more insane with rage and the insults come a flyin making you look like a real piece of trash, just remember that it is always you, and not me that starts these things.
I'm the one who finishes them.
Every time.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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harnessing electricity, or inventing the phone, or the radio, or the TV, or the internet, or the camera, or the video recorder, or the airplane, or rockets
Probably the greatest inventions of all time were language, fire, the bowl, and the baby-sling. There's genetic reasons to think a woman was responsible for language, and cultural reasons to think women invented the bowl, and baby carrier. But neither sex can claim fire until there's more information.
A woman physicist discovered nuclear fission. Two women invented CRISPR-CAS9. A women thought up the entire field of bio-mimetics. A woman discovered pulsars.
Just because you aren't acquainted with the many deeply intelligent and dedicated women in science and technology, doesn't mean they don't exist.
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Female teacher has sex with underage boy and says 'I'm sorry, my marriage was horrible'. Avoids jail time and get 18 months probation.
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/i-am-deeply-sorry-says-ottawa
-teacher-spared-jail-despite-sexual-relationship-with-teen-student
Race car F1 grid girls blame feminists for making them loosing their jobs
https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/7uzlmy/f1_grid_girls_blame_fem
inists_for_making_them/
How Unmarried Childless Feminists Are Blaming Men For Their Own Unhappiness
https://squawker.org/analysis/sadfeminists/
Woman spared jail for attacking two men with bottle and screwdrivers
http://metro.co.uk/2018/02/05/woman-spared-jail-attacking-two-men-bott
le-screwdrivers-7288762/
Western feminists are ignoring women suffering in Iran!!
Men not marrying? How deep does "the problem" go?
Karen Straughan
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
White women couldn't vote until the 20's, and black women not until the 60's.
You live in a society where one of the richest people in America is a Black Woman, women and minority can get education, jobs, power, homes ...Oprah Winfrey one of the richest women on Earth. You have possibly the strongest military in the world to protect your nation, you can say what you want, you have free speech to write what you want, you have access to food, doctors, water, a home and roof over your head, can buy cars and have access to transport, no civil war, no jihad terrorists, no radioactive toxic pollution, you have schools and hospitals and police ....
...and yet you blame all MEN for your situation, the plight of minorities and the situation of every woman?
I do not know why you always auto-react and try to blame all men for everything that ever happened
....do you not remember your embarrassment and disappointment when one of the San Bernardino attackers turned out to be a woman??
It all depends where you are and how you look at history, it is true to say throughout history women could not vote, but there may have been some voting rights amongst elites in Rome, Slav, the elites of India, ancient China, Celt nations, Egypt etc however Roman citizen women, Athenian women, however in ancient Greece, were given no freedoms of any kind, especially when they were married. In most city-states, women were accompanied wherever they had to go, in Rome a woman of Roman citizenship did not vote and did not have the right to vote, there is of course the history and myth of amazon women. When Emperor's or the Military retook power for example Augustus' rule, inability to vote did not matter a damn because the senate lost its power.
There have of course been many, many, many matriarchal society throughout history and most of them collapsed with a few decades or generations. there is a society or tribe in some border are of India-Burma-Nepal totally ruled by women....another one in a mountainside jungle in Costa Rica, Akan or Rain Queens a Female leadership tradition of Africa, matrilineal society in Ghana and the Ivory Coast....there are about 3 or 4 surviving Feminist matriarchy in Africa and another girl power Misandry women first civilization of sorts in Sumatra, Indonesia I think...they have not really achieved much, nice dress, nice colored paints and cloths but squabbling and fighting in mud huts about who gets the nicest berries or more wood for the fire or who gets more straw for their hut....some of these society are kinda primitive and raw by modern standards but they are ruled by women.
New Zealand gets little credit but it was one of the leaders in the women's rights movement, 1893 women had the right to vote and in 1893, Elizabeth Yates also became Mayor of Onehunga...one of the first females to hold position in what they called the British Empire. However this only came alongside an independence movement, the freedom Liberty movements of Europe and North America
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Probably the greatest inventions of all time were language, fire, the bowl, and the baby-sling. There's genetic reasons to think a woman was responsible for language, and cultural reasons to think women invented the bowl, and baby carrier. But neither sex can claim fire until there's more information.
A woman physicist discovered nuclear fission. Two women invented CRISPR-CAS9. A women thought up the entire field of bio-mimetics. A woman discovered pulsars.
Just because you aren't acquainted with the many deeply intelligent and dedicated women in science and technology, doesn't mean they don't exist.
Fair enough Kiki. I'm not looking to get into an argument with you about any of this. When you propose something, at least for the most part, you do it in a civil manner and your general respect for the person your discussing something with, for the most part, and the tone with which you frame your argument not only leaves the room open for debate, but (usually) doesn't leave the person on the other side feeling like they want to spend a bunch of time going out of their way researching things so they can turn your argument on its head and laugh at you.
Though I do believe the following to be a very subjective statement:
Quote:
Probably the greatest inventions of all time were language, fire, the bowl, and the baby-sling.
And I am not as keen as you are to take the following one on faith:
Quote:
There's genetic reasons to think a woman was responsible for language, and cultural reasons to think women invented the bowl, and baby carrier.
I won't argue any of it because the first one is pointless to this debate, and the second one is something that neither you or I could prove either way at this point.
I will lump them all in with your last statement of that paragraph:
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But neither sex can claim fire until there's more information.
As for the rest. Thanks for the info. I'm sure that there was some stuff that women invented, although "discovery" wasn't a part of this conversation. I was obviously having a bit of fun at Wishy's expense, what with all of her insane ranting and raving, and she surely wasn't going to find any legitimate information on her own (which she didn't).
I appreciate you staying out of it long enough this time for me to have my fun and embarrass her before bringing the conversation back down to reality.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
... bringing the conversation back down to reality.
Trying to worm your way out of your own stupid comments, hmm?
All you did was make sure EVERYONE knows what a douche you are.
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Quote:I don't really follow those feilds, so I only knew about Hedy Lamarr and Grace Hopper. I was thinking Hedy also helped the Nazi Navy with more military weaponry or methods, Engineering.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
More Silly Women:
Rachel Carson, biology, naturalist, environmental pioneer
Marie Curie, radium, pdonium, radioactivity
Irène Joliot-Curie, chemistry
Rosalind Franklin, DNA pioneer
Brenda Hale, law
Grace Hopper, computer language
Selma Lagerlöf, literature
Hedy Lamarr, math, wireless communication
Mary Leakey, archaeologist, anthropologist
Ada Lovelace, mathematician, mechanical computer
Rita Levi-Montalcini, physiology, medicine
Barbara McClintock, botany, genetics, physiology
Lise Meitner, physics, chemistry
Rita Levi-Montalcini, neurology
Amalie Emmy Noether, mathematics
What I notice about geniuses: Brilliant in their field,
They are sometimes dunderheads about mundane stuff.
Like Mr. Spock -- trying to understand human behavior.
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To be fair, I'm not sure Hedy's support of Nazi War on the World really puts her in the best light.
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
... bringing the conversation back down to reality.
Trying to worm your way out of your own stupid comments, hmm?
All you did was make sure EVERYONE knows what a douche you are.
No. I meant every word of what I said.
You're an idiot, and I appreciated Kiki allowing me to have my fun with your simple little mind before interjecting.
Thanks again Keeks.
And BTW... Women still didn't invent computers.
But thanks for Monopoly though, Wishy!
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Almost hard to believe a woman didn't invent the dildo.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:No. I meant every word of what I said.
Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:Trying to worm your way out of your own stupid comments, hmm?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
... bringing the conversation back down to reality.
All you did was make sure EVERYONE knows what a douche you are.
You're an idiot, and I appreciated Kiki allowing me to have my fun with your simple little mind before interjecting.
Thanks again Keeks.
And BTW... Women still didn't invent computers.
But thanks for Monopoly though, Wishy!
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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If I say what I know of marriage ... how it has changed within Western
society in my lifetime ... it'd be off-topic.
The topic as I see it: American women are bitches on wheels; they are
so intolerable, no man in his right mind would ever talk to them.
i.e., If a man is unhappy, American women are to blame. American women
should clean up their act.
... that's a load of crap.
Well, I read this whole thread voluntarily. I blame me for that.
Of note: Not as many MCPs in here as I'd expect. :)
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Quote:what is MCP
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
If I say what I know of marriage ... how it has changed within Western
society in my lifetime ... it'd be off-topic.
The topic as I see it: American women are bitches on wheels; they are
so intolerable, no man in his right mind would ever talk to them.
i.e., If a man is unhappy, American women are to blame. American women
should clean up their act.
... that's a load of crap.
Well, I read this whole thread voluntarily. I blame me for that.
Of note: Not as many MCPs in here as I'd expect. :)
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
what is MCP
Microsoft Certified Professional
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
The topic as I see it: American women are bitches on wheels; they are
so intolerable, no man in his right mind would ever talk to them.
Nah. I've said before in most social situations I prefer the company of women actually.
There just doesn't really seem to be any incentive for a man to get married anymore. Things have changed. Men have a lot more to lose and not all that much to gain by taking the risk. Not to mention now you have a few generation full of men who grew up in bad divorces with their parents and watched their old man get cleaned out.
Hey... it seems to be working out for my brother. But he's a stay at home dad and she makes big bucks. Maybe in the future that's the only way that marriages will truly work out anymore. I dunno.
It sure ain't for me though. And by the look of things if you look at the stats, young men (early 30's and younger) just aren't getting married at a rate close to what they used to and if you look at the studies, a lot of them say they have no interest.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Fake relationships, unhappy marraige, access to assets after dating, gold diggers, a marriage ends, next you have alimony, custody of family, child support quickly become part of life. Some Law were created to protect women and children who have been abandoned by men but have perhaps become biased and used to bash down society they are largely outdated and abused. After a divorce, assets are divided, an emtional judge may listen to more emotional stories even if they were acquired before marriage or were solely from one person in the relationship. Those who work hard for what they have can see it gone, they do not want to be burned or possibly be cheated on by former 'partner'. Next legal documents like prenups are available, but they may be worthless only worth the paper they are printed on and it is usually hard to get both to agree without someone getting offended. If no marraige, if you’re not going to marry, your assets are your own.
Singles now outnumber married people in America — and that's a good thing
https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-14/singles-now-outnumber-married-p
eople-america-and-thats-good-thing
CNN)The marriage apocalypse may be coming. Talk to any millennial and you can envision an America virtually marriage-free, with everyone happily single.
How The Government Is Robbing Men Of Good Wives
http://www.rooshv.com/how-the-government-is-robbing-men-of-good-wives
The Straight Men Who Want Nothing to Do With Women
https://melmagazine.com/the-straight-men-who-want-nothing-to-do-with-w
omen-2653920a42e8
7 Truths About Marriage You Will Not Hear In Church
http://frankpowell.me/truths-sex-marriage-never-learned-church/
Comments from Married Men
https://www.mgtow.com/comments-from-married-men/
Why banning The Red Pill is bad for feminism
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/why-banning-the-red-pill-
is-bad-for-feminism/19714#.WoGYWfB15Ew
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Quote:Not quite true. If you date for too long, it becomes Common Law Marriage. You absolutely must dump the hag before that deadline, get a newer model.
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Fake relationships, unhappy marraige, access to assets after dating, gold diggers, a marriage ends, next you have alimony, custody of family, child support quickly become part of life. Some Law were created to protect women and children who have been abandoned by men but have perhaps become biased and used to bash down society they are largely outdated and abused. After a divorce, assets are divided, an emtional judge may listen to more emotional stories even if they were acquired before marriage or were solely from one person in the relationship. Those who work hard for what they have can see it gone, they do not want to be burned or possibly be cheated on by former 'partner'. Next legal documents like prenups are available, but they may be worthless only worth the paper they are printed on and it is usually hard to get both to agree without someone getting offended. If no marraige, if you’re not going to marry, your assets are your own.
Quote:
Singles now outnumber married people in America — and that's a good thing
https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-14/singles-now-outnumber-married-p
eople-america-and-thats-good-thing
CNN)The marriage apocalypse may be coming. Talk to any millennial and you can envision an America virtually marriage-free, with everyone happily single.
How The Government Is Robbing Men Of Good Wives
http://www.rooshv.com/how-the-government-is-robbing-men-of-good-wives
The Straight Men Who Want Nothing to Do With Women
https://melmagazine.com/the-straight-men-who-want-nothing-to-do-with-w
omen-2653920a42e8
7 Truths About Marriage You Will Not Hear In Church
http://frankpowell.me/truths-sex-marriage-never-learned-church/
Comments from Married Men
https://www.mgtow.com/comments-from-married-men/
Why banning The Red Pill is bad for feminism
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/why-banning-the-red-pill-
is-bad-for-feminism/19714#.WoGYWfB15Ew
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Quote:What does that have to do with this thread?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Microsoft Certified Professional
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
what is MCP
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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JSF: "what is MCP"?
Male Chauvinist Pig ...
Rallying cry of the early feminist movement.
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Y'all are too young to remember the Hippy era, too.
Things changed.
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My favorite: macho shithead.
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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That was great, Kiki!!
Dustin Hoffman as "Tootsie"
... I'd forgotten all about it.
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why or why would the traditional family be broken...sure you can blame the males but should society and the behavior of females also be part of this blame?
welcome to America, some hoodrat girl beating up another American girl
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=MUnhndLoozE
1 YEAR for brutally stabbing her ex's new Gf
https://everipedia.org/wiki/rianna-lumley/
Woman who cons men on a dating site then falsely accuses them of assault, and steals their possessions while they were in jail, is sentenced
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/06/08/woman-who-falsely-accused-
men-of-abuse-before-robbing-homes-arrested/
Mom arrested after stabbing daughter 70 times, setting home on fire
https://nypost.com/2018/05/16/mom-arrested-after-stabbing-daughter-70-
times-setting-home-on-fire/
and what of the 'PUSSY PASS'
NJ couple admit stealing $1.4M in relief money from Sandy victims. Prosecutors give him 7 years in prison while she gets probation.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nj-couple-admit-stealing-dollar14m
-from-hurricane-sandy-victims-and-using-cash-on-gambling-diamond-ring/ar-AAy2ncB?ocid=ientp
Maryland mother arrested after attempting to saw off head of autistic son because she felt 'overwhelmed,' police say
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/28/maryland-mother-arrested-after-at
tempting-to-saw-off-head-autistic-son-because-felt-overwhelmed-police-say.html
Married mother-of-one teacher, 32, is sentenced to just a year in prison after she is found guilty of having sex with a student, 14, in her classroom on the last day of school
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5785423/Married-mother-one-tea
cher-32-sentenced-one-year-prison-sex-student.html
Deployed soldier's wife gives away baby after birth, lies to husband saying it died
https://popularmilitary.com/deployed-soldiers-wife-gives-away-baby-bir
th-lies-husband-saying-died/
Bride who stabbed her new brother-in-law in the face avoids jail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5736699/Bride-stabbed-new-brot
her-law-face-wedding-cake-knife-avoids-jail.html
BT-1000 Uses Her New Born Baby As An Umbrella To Cover Her Weave From The Pouring Rain!
https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=0KlzSNozbeo
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Quote:Not too young to recall hippies. I just didn't recall hippies as being all that keen on Acronym Fever.
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
JSF: "what is MCP"?
Male Chauvinist Pig ...
Rallying cry of the early feminist movement.
... oooOO}{OOooo ...
Y'all are too young to remember the Hippy era, too.
Things changed.
Translating a hippie term into a SnapChamp style abbreviation just seemed more incongruous than what I could navigate.
If I see FES I don't immediately think Flat Earth Society.
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Pretty soon even third world girls will say NYET to Western men....then you'll have to try to get a girl with your stunning lack of charm or intelligence.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5867585/Canadian-filmmaker-GUI
LTY-murder-scalping-fiancee-draining-blood.html
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I'm sorry you can't attract a woman. Perhaps you should stop externalizing why that is, and think of women as human beings, no different from you than a black man, or a Muslim.
Perhaps you should take a good look at yourself before you blame others for your inadequacies.
Take personal responsibility, for once.
Your inability to get women interested in you is not due to some conspiracy. It's all you.
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Uh Oh. A Wishy/Reaverfan double team.
A match made in hell.
Too bad you've already got a family Wishy. You two were made for each other.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Maybe if RF offers a tighter bung to her hubby, they might still work something out.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Uh Oh. A Wishy/Reaverfan double team.
A match made in hell.
Too bad you've already got a family Wishy. You two were made for each other.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Quoted for truth.
Originally posted by reaverfan:
I'm sorry you can't attract a woman. Perhaps you should stop externalizing why that is, and think of women as human beings, no different from you than a black man, or a Muslim.
Perhaps you should take a good look at yourself before you blame others for your inadequacies.
Take personal responsibility, for once.
Your inability to get women interested in you is not due to some conspiracy. It's all you.
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Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Maybe if RF offers a tighter bung to her hubby, they might still work something out.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Uh Oh. A Wishy/Reaverfan double team.
A match made in hell.
Too bad you've already got a family Wishy. You two were made for each other.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
That won't work out. He's bouncing on his boy's D all day while eating what my food eats.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Your childish frustration at being crushed by me again and again is hilarious. I've really got you feeling small. That's because you are. The REAL man always wins.
Don't have a stroke, lonely boys! LOL!
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Somebody once asked . why is it is it because traditions are dying?
Quote:
has the traditional wife died?
American Women and Marriage: a Sacred Vow (Why I Will NEVER Marry an American Woman)
http://www.the-niceguy.com/articles/MarryAmerican.html
The idea of marrying an American woman literally terrifies me.
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I'm so glad I never got married. What a horrible thing to do to yourself.
How race matters in romance: Dating app reveals most men fancy Asian women while majority of females prefer white men
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2511049/Online-dating-a
pp-reveals-race-matters-romance.html
Researchers looked at 2.4 million heterosexual interactions
Most men preferred Asian women (with the exception of Asian men) while all women (except black women) were most drawn to white me
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Hmmm. Dicks in Japan....STILL DICKS. How shocking.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/08/07/tokyo-medical-uni
versity-sorry-altering-results-exclude-women/921515002/
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Online Greta Thunberg and James Woods drama? https://www.dailywire.com/news/greta-issues-political-womens-day-post-
james-woods-responds-with-one-single-right-men-have-over-women
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Why Men Shouldn't Listen To MGTOW and Red Pill Blindly
https://www.hiddendominion.com/why-men-shouldnt-listen-to-mgtow-and-re
d-pill-blindly/
Are Men Adapting to the New Sexual Marketplace?
https://therationalmale.com/2019/10/02/are-men-adapting-to-the-new-sex
ual-marketplace/
What do feminists think of men going their own way MGTOW
https://www.quora.com/What-do-feminists-think-of-men-going-their-own-w
ay-MGTOW
Topic: Society for Men's Freedom
https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/society-for-mens-freedom-2/
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US Marriage Rate Falls to Lowest Level in 120 Years
https://www.onenewspage.com/n/Europe/1zlreqwfm1/US-Marriage-Rate-Falls
-to-Lowest-Level-in.htm
US Birth Rate Nosedive: Lowest in 30 Years
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/u.s-birth-rate-nosedive-lo
west-in-30-years
The U.S. marriage rate has fallen to its lowest level in 120 years after having declined steadily since the 1980s and plateauing over the past decade, a study says
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/29/marriage-rate-falls-t
o-lowest-level-in-120-years/
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Hey... as long as you don't destroy yourself while you're not married, it sure is a good way to live.
Grass is always greener though.
I tell my married friends that even though I wouldn't trade the freedom of being single for anything, they should appreciate their wives for keeping them more or less in line. All of my married friends seem to have skipped the whole self-destruction phase in their life, and not too many of the unmarried ones ever came back from that. My own story is littered all over these boards, and it wasn't pretty.
It's actually somewhat difficult to maintain focus and ambition and not succumb to idle-hands syndrome and all that entails when you don't have somebody constantly nagging at you and you find yourself living a life absent of the responsibility that most other people your age have.
Can't speak for what it was like to be married 50 or more years ago, but from the outside looking in it seems these days that most guys getting married just need to keep a mom figure in their life. I mean, that's essentially what a wife is after the honeymoon phase is over.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Can't speak for what it was like to be married 50 or more years ago, but from the outside looking in it seems these days that most guys getting married just need to keep a mom figure in their life. I mean, that's essentially what a wife is after the honeymoon phase is over.
I agree with you on something for once!
Now, you wanna discuss the reasons why a lotta men would need a "mommy" and why women would generally be more responsible??
I'm guessing not....
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Women in general have a better sense of self preservation than men. It's in the genetic code.
Until recently, making sure their man stayed healthy and strong was in a woman's best interest. They've got other options now though, via alimony, child support and government programs.
The US Government is Daddy to a lot of kids these days.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I agree with SIX. Evolutionarily, female reproduction is the rate-limiting step for many animals (mammals in particular). Most males in many species are redundant, unless they also feed the young (like many birds). It's beneficial for the species if superfluous males risk and die ... fewer mouths to feed, more food for the young! That's what "intraspecies competition" is all about. But if females were equally risk-taking it would be species suicide.
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There are exceptions though. Orcas, dolphins, bonobos that I can think of off the top of my head.
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Is the exception to redundant males being gotten rid of (somehow) or to females being more risk averse than males, or both?
I know that orca pods are headed by females. Also elephant herds. I think bonobos as well. OTOH I don't know the dophin hierarchy. (btw Dolphins perform what looks like gang-rape when mating.)
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I agree with SIX. Evolutionarily, female reproduction is the rate-limiting step for many animals (mammals in particular). Most males in many species are redundant, unless they also feed the young (like many birds). It's beneficial for the species if superfluous males risk and die ... fewer mouths to feed, more food for the young! That's what "intraspecies competition" is all about. But if females were equally risk-taking it would be species suicide.
Yup. In a true end-of-the-world scenario, we'd be a much better chance surviving if there were 5 men and 50 women than if there were 5 women and 50 men.
We all need agency, but it's not a coincidence that in times of high unemployment the suicide rate increases are staggeringly slanted on the male side.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:The exception is that redundant males live within the group, even though they do no offspring-minding, and don't seem to bring any extra benefit to the group as a whole.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Is the exception to redundant males being gotten rid of (somehow) or to females being more risk averse than males, or both?
I know that orca pods are headed by females. Also elephant herds. I think bonobos as well. OTOH I don't know the dolphin hierarchy. (btw Dolphins perform what looks like gang-rape when mating.)
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Those seem to be important exceptions to what might be a trend. I was thinking about that trend, and I wonder if it's particularly noticeable in the ungulates (hoofed animals), whose members are able to stand and walk quite soon after birth.
Not all dolphins mate like that. There's a genetically identical group that lives off western Australia whose mating is individual and courtly. Like the peaceable baboons in Kenya, genetics isn't destiny.
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Is the exception to redundant males being gotten rid of (somehow) or to females being more risk averse than males, or both?
I know that orca pods are headed by females. Also elephant herds. I think bonobos as well. OTOH I don't know the dolphin hierarchy. (btw Dolphins perform what looks like gang-rape when mating.)
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
#WEARAMASK
Those seem to be important exceptions to what might be a trend. I was thinking about that trend, and I wonder if it's particularly noticeable in the ungulates (hoofed animals), whose members are able to stand and walk quite soon after birth.
Not all dolphins mate like that. There's a genetically identical group that lives off western Australia whose mating is individual and courtly. Like the peaceable baboons in Kenya, genetics isn't destiny.
Same with males of the human species.
There are a lot of beta males who are so financially and/or physically and/or mentally unattractive to women that they will go their whole life without ever having sex.
Though I'd venture a guess that suicide rate among them were higher than all males in general if a study were to be done, I doubt it's much higher.
Sex is a basic primal need, but that need can be "taken care of" in other ways.
I'd say it's more about purpose for men. Not everybody is going to be able to get away with being a womanizing Chad. But if they can eek out a moderately fulfilling life and feel like they're accomplishing something and/or being a part of something usually that's enough.
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Well, I think humans are different. Some species are "harem species", that is ... one adult male to many females, young males are accepted but will be driven out as they mature. Think lion prides, deer herds, or sea lions. In these species, excess males are driven away from prime feeding and breeding grounds, and in order to be let back in the males must undergo fierce competition.
In THOSE species, since the males with the mightiest weapons (biggest antlers, most blubber, most bight-resistant ruff) are the ones which reproduce, the evolutionary trend seems to be strong sexual dimorphism- the males tend to be significantly bigger (often twice as large as the female) and with specialized fighting equipment- tusks, antlers, neck-blubber, neck-ruff etc. As always, there are exceptions: male feral horses in the west aren't hugely bigger than females. They have thicker necks and heavier musculature but in general they're just way ornerier than females and way more apt to kick, rear, and bite.
Another evolutionary "spin the wheel" reproductive strategy is pair-bonding. Some mate for life ... most of them birds (albatross, bald eagles, barn owls, geese, red-tailed hawks, penguins and many others) but also some mammals (beavers, coyotes, whales, otters, prairie voles, wolves)
If I understand their lives correctly, the males in the "mate for life' category are all heavily involved in feeding or otherwise caring for the young. Beavers build and maintain their dams. In the case of wolves, there is one breeding pair per pack, but the rest of the pack also hunt and - at least indirectly- help feed the young.
Others pair-bond for a season... I know a lot of birds do. I think the reason for that is that the birds that hatch without feathers are SO demanding to raise ... they require so much food because they have to grow so quickly in one season that successfully raising at least two hatchlings to adulthood would be beyond the capacity of a single bird to provide.
(And just for the sake of completeness there are other strategies such as "dump a bunch of egg and sperm into the environment" and "eat the male after you've mated")...
Anyway, I think humans are mostly pair-bonding because human babies are incredibly demanding. Think about it: babies are SO helpless that not only do they have to be carried for a year, but for the first few months you have to control their heads for them because their neck muscles are too weak.
How does a mother carrying a baby gather food effectively?
I think the reason why males are "redundant" is because, like you said, government has turned into "big daddy".
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There's food source as well.
Carnivores need much larger territory than herbivores. That's why obligate carnivores like cats are usually solitary (lions and housecats being the only exceptions that I know of) and vigorously maintain territorial boundaries. Males lions btw don't control the females as much as they control territory. They establish territory first, females happen later. And only female housecats will at times cooperate with raising young.
Larger omnivores like bears also need large territories and are usually solitary.
Canids (dog category, not obligate carnivores) are an exception to solitary territoriality with some having a group strategy, but only 1 pair breeds.
Grazers are often nomadic with the seasons, have 'capable' babies, and don't respond to territory as much as group. It makes most sense for them to exclude males who then fight over the females (the group, not a territory).
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Anyway, I think humans are mostly pair-bonding because human babies are incredibly demanding. Think about it: babies are SO helpless that not only do they have to be carried for a year, but for the first few months you have to control their heads for them because their neck muscles are too weak.
How does a mother carrying a baby gather food effectively?
I think the reason why males are "redundant" is because, like you said, government has turned into "big daddy".
Yup. And if ever there were a "social construct" it's the idea that it costs somewhere just south of $250k to raise a child.
That is such a subjective thing. Even in our own country and the times we live in that doesn't apply to everyone. It couldn't possibly. There are plenty of people who couldn't hope to make $250k before that child hit adulthood, and that's just exponentially true the more kids they have.
But for those who can afford it, the kids get spoiled with tons of toys, and new clothes, new school supplies every year when most of the old ones were still good, rental of school books every year by a monopolistic setup that charges 10 times what the book should cost to buy for the rental, insane college costs, being trapped at jobs they hate to keep their kids health insurance, etc., etc., etc..
Big Daddy Government can afford to do a lot more of that than nearly any single man could ever hope to.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Part of a movement seems to be a reaction to Mens Rights thing and then a group getting together and maybe over-reacting as a political movement?
A Voice for Men - Media Bias/Fact Check
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/a-voice-for-men/
How Feminism Has Affected Divorce and Child Custody
https://dadsdivorce.com/articles/how-feminism-has-affected-the-divorce
-and-child-custody-process/
When Will Men Receive Equality in Custody Cases?
https://goodmenproject.com/guy-talk/wll-men-receive-equality-court-cas
es-jvinc/
Why I hate the RedPill/MGTOW community.
https://www.girlsaskguys.com/social-relationships/a64333-why-i-hate-th
e-redpill-mgtow-community
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So, those are my problems with Red Pill/MGTOW. It generalizes women, demonizes men who are submissive or aren't masculine, has a pessimistic view of dating and relationships, and many of its members can't find a middle ground.
Red pill and MGTOW
https://www.talkaboutmarriage.com/threads/red-pill-and-mgtow.439905/
'Someone makes the unilateral decision to keep their kids from their dad due to virus and social distancing. Gets tremendous support on TAM (of course) for pulling the rug out from her ex.'
the movement even has crazy channels
https://www.mgtow.tv/ @ REDPILLMARRIED
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Maybe in the end both men and women could lose
The AI robot or something will destroy both sexes???
What is an incel? A former member of the internet subculture explains
https://www.joe.co.uk/news/incel-meaning-toronto-van-subculture-explai
ned-175003
The MGTOW MANuscript
https://www.audible.com/pd/The-MGTOW-MANuscript-Audiobook/B096HG8ZXQ
Worst Right-Wing Groups and Movements
https://www.thetoptens.com/worst-right-wing-groups-movements/
Fantasy, Online Misogyny and the Manosphere
https://www.routledge.com/Fantasy-Online-Misogyny-and-the-Manosphere-M
ale-Bodies-of-DisInhibition/Johanssen/p/book/9780367468651
Tech billionaire allegedly kept spreadsheet of 5,000 women he had sex with
https://nypost.com/2021/11/20/billionaire-michael-goguen-allegedly-kep
t-spreadsheet-of-5000-sex-partners/
Sounds like another type of weirdo Epstein-esque billionaire?
Staying on topic
I did come across this forum
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'Anti-American Women Rants'
https://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=46
Maybe its not just US culture but you can also blame Social Media - Men exposed to half naked instagram and snap chat girls, exposed to more people than they would have seen one hundred years ago, the Social web use it Sickens the Self and Divides Society
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What Happens to Men Who Never Marry?
https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/what-happens-to-men-who-never-
marry-or-become-fathers/
'Men On Strike Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage Fatherhood'
http://events.jacksonville.com/cgi-bin/content/view.php
The NationStates Feminism Thread IV: Four threads and 465+ pages of nonsense Fight Like A Girl!
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=487095&sta
rt=11600
and there's this comment?
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I feel like I’m going crazy, it’s like the world is closing in around us. Almost every manosphere subreddit has been squashed, the remaining ones may as well be bluepilled as even the men in those subs will downvote and report you for even alluding to anything TRP. Most of the mods on Reddit are leftist twats who censor anything even remotely right leaning or critical of feminism.
https://www.forums.red/p/theredpill/275850/is_anyone_else_concerned_wi
th_how_trp_is_being_silenced_acro
'Castizo Futurism: Mass Latino immigration will change the culture of the US to be more male friendly '
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?292806-Castizo-Futuri
sm-Mass-Latino-immigration-will-change-the-culture-of-the-US-to-be-more-male-friendly&p=6097532&viewfull=1#post6097532
What Is Red Pill and Why Is The Red Pill Community Growing in 2021?
https://redpiller.medium.com/the-red-pill-what-is-red-pill-and-why-is-
the-red-pill-community-growing-in-2021-476b6e66c383
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Elon Musk says civilization will crumble if more people don't have more children — and his comments shine light on a heated demographic debate
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-pandemic-baby-bust-birth-rat
e-harmful-civilization-demographics-2021-12
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What Happens to Men Who Never Marry?
https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/what-happens-to-men-who-never-
marry-or-become-fathers/
This was an interesting article.
Although, I think it's impossible to try to speak for an entire group of people as if one large choice they made in life dictates that they'll all display similar behavior.
I actually wanted to take some time to address the points from my own perspective, even if nobody cares to read it.
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Single Men Are Rich in Friendship…
Single men are not necessarily isolated basement-dwellers. They’re actually significantly more likely than married men to have several close friends. One in eight men report having no friends at all (and a lot of these men are married with kids), despite research showing that friendships help people live longer lives, stave off cognitive decline, and increase general well-being. Guy friends are a precious public health commodity that single men have covered.
This checks out. Several of the best fathers and husbands I've known don't really have any close friends anymore. There's simply no time for it after being a husband, father and provider, along with any personal quriks they have and what they choose to do with their very limited free time. I also know several guys who are great fathers and husbands who are also great friends. We don't see each other as much as we did when time was cheap, but having friends and being a good friend is something that is a part of them so they make the time to keep up important relationships.
As for me, personally, I had a long and destructive path of alcoholism behind me that torched a good majority of my relationships. With five years of sobriety behind me I have spent a great deal of time fixing things that are important in my life. Not just my own health, future and living conditions, but also realizing what old relationships were worth getting back into and making them stronger than they ever were before.
I actually have a lot to bring to the table as a jack of all trades, and along with my copious amounts of free time, I'm always there for them if they need me for something. In turn, we develop a reciprocal relationship of doing good deeds for each other.
For a long time there, particularly when I was a drunk, I shuned relationships. My step-dad once told me that "no man is an island". It took me a while to realize that he was right. A good friend is invaluable. Being blessed with two or three of them is a gift. Not only do you get to benefit from their help when you need it, but unlike mindlessly virtue signalling on social media for likes, you get a genuine feeling of being needed and belonging and satisfaction when you can help out somebody you truly care about with something that you just can't get from typing out a few sentences on Twitter or making a 30 second TikTok video.
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…But Poor in Money
What single men gain in friends, they lose in money, studies show. Men who stay unmarried make anywhere from 10 to 40 percent less than married men. There’s evidence that fathers make up to 21 percent more than men without children, though studies also suggest men with wives and kids work longer hours and put up with more workplace bullshit than single men. Now, this doesn’t mean marriage and parenthood cause financial success (though anecdotally, that sure doesn’t sound right). Indeed, other research argues that men are simply more likely to get married and have kids when their income is already rising. Either way, your unmarried, childless bachelor friends are probably making less money than you are.
This checks out too.
I've known single guys that did have a lot of money, but that's not me. I did set myself up rather nicely and I don't need much money at all. I think had things gone differently and the last company I was working for hadn't been bought out, I probably would have stuck around and had a
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This was the last I seen of Wishi
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Go to hell and take your ugly ass "hero" whore with you
Hope you both get Covid and choke to death so you can REALLY REALLY understand the stupidity of thinking you have things in common with the Holocaust.Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Since your definition of "human being" involves "being" enslaved with the rest of humanity to your ego-maniacal plans...NO THANKS.
Just think of me as a Freedom Fighting Cyborg, crusher of fascistsQuote:Quote:
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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Whining about single MOTHERS getting things you don't
YOUR people are the ones CAUSING THE DAMAGE. Your people are the ones assaulting the rest of the population ON A DAILY BASIS. Both IN PERSON and ONLINE...
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
You are a stupid piece of shit.
and I hope your dick rots off.
Birth rate in Italy hits 160-year low
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italy-birth-rate-lowes
t-istat-b1975950.html
US population growth hit lowest rate ever during first year of COVID-19 pandemic
https://www.wlwt.com/article/us-population-growth-low/38584592
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I wonder is some overseas woman from Latin America, Asia, Eastern, the Carribean, more likely to start Aborting compared to the American Woman
Roe v. Wade: Which US states could make abortion illegal if landmark 1973 law is overturned
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10777571/Which-states-make-ab
ortion-illegal-Roe-vs-Wade-overturned.html
Men Not Wanting to Marry: A Modern Problem
https://pairedlife.com/gender-sexuality/Men-Not-Wanting-to-Marry
Only marry foreign women?
https://www.nowife.com/why_foreign_women_are_better.html
Feminist Complaint: Men Avoid Women At Work
https://brasspills.com/feminist-complaint-men-avoid-women-at-work-anot
her-sign-were-being-punished-for-metoo/
Why Are Men Not Marrying These Days?
https://www.regain.us/advice/marriage/why-are-men-not-marrying-these-d
ays/
Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore
https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2021/06/22/women-want-to-know-why-m
en-dont-want-to-marry-anymore-allow-me-n400721
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Do Millennials and Gen Z Want to Have Children?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/millennials-gen-z-want-children-family-ma
rriage-wedding-tinder-dating-apps-sexism-misogyny-feminism-population-growth-11650401820
Cheap Sex Is the ‘Inconvenient Truth’ that Explains the Retreat from Marriage
https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/11/cheap-sex-explains-decline-marr
iage/
The Manosphere online culture is a loose sometimes unconnected collection of websites, blogs, and online forums promoting to varying degrees masculinity, misogyny, and strong opposition to feminism, 4Chan memes, Communities within the manosphere include men's rights activists, Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW), pick-up artists (PUA), and divorce advice or fathers' rights groups
the whole Feminist vs RedPill thing has been liked community that came to be known as GamerGate.
‘Blood-thirsty’ mob of abortion proponents in Arizona set upon pro-lifer with a frenzy
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/05/04/blood-thirsty-mob-of-abortion-
proponents-in-arizona-set-upon-pro-lifer-with-a-frenzy-1233998/
Sen. Rubio Calls For End To Tax Breaks For Woke Companies Using Taxpayer-Funded Loopholes To Pay For Abortion,
https://www.tampafp.com/sen-rubio-calls-for-end-to-tax-breaks-for-woke
-companies-using-taxpayer-funded-loopholes-to-pay-for-abortion-gender-affirming-care/
Mark Dice
Liberals Hypocrisy on Abortion
https://rumble.com/v13suq6-liberals-hypocrisy-on-abortion.html
Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin Becomes First to Attend State's March for Life
https://www.breakingchristiannews.com/articles/display_art.html?ID=351
83
Pro-life activist Randall Terry exposes ABORTIONISTS and their CORRUPTION
https://abortions.news/2022-04-29-pro-life-activist-exposes-abortionis
ts-corruption.html
the retarded incel forum?
https://incels.is/forums/inceldom-discussion.2/
Roe v. Wade overturned
https://incels.is/threads/roe-v-wade-overturned.372274/
and gamergate?
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_gamergate_news_thread/page561
Kotaku? they attemped to castrated it at weirdopedoleftwing-reddit so they moved to Dot Win community?
https://kotakuinaction2.win
https://kotakuinaction.win
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Woman arrested after attacking street vendor over burrito dispute in South L.A
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/woman-angry-over-burrito-attacks-stre
et-vendor-in-south-l-a/
MGTOW
https://shutthefactup.substack.com/p/mgtow-93
As an Ex-MGTOW, and I wish you all the best
https://theredarchive.com/r/ExRedPill/as-an-ex-mgtow-and-i-wish-you-al
l-the-best.1121216
To All the Lost Men Taking the ‘Red Pill’
https://dylanhughes.medium.com/to-all-the-lost-men-taking-the-red-pill
-7735a1f4364b
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lol
A burrito dispute.
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lol
A burrito dispute.
Holy shit. She decked that female employee.
Who let Harambe out again?
And wearing that dress as a disguise... Clever girl.
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rates are down
fell off a cliff?
i.ibb.co/8d9hjcd/1668067746070706.png
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World Economic Forum depopulation agenda …
“ all problems would go away if population went back to where it was 500 years ago”… for reference, population then was 460 million…
The real problem is low birth rates and population collapse coming ...
https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1605677518694014978
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World Economic Forum depopulation agenda …
“ all problems would go away if population went back to where it was 500 years ago”… for reference, population then was 460 million…
The real problem is low birth rates and population collapse coming ...
https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1605677518694014978
It is sad that the only people who seem to agree with me on this issue are the most rich and most evil people on the planet.
Because we're not going to like the way they choose to go about doing it (the stick) over my ideas for making it happen (the carrot).
:(
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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
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Why has the Western Tradional Marriage started to die
the sad fact of refugees and war and people trying to 'get out' and go to some other place
Probably going to be thousands upon thousands of damaged Ukraine women on the market in Europe and the USA
Meanwhile Western aging Feminists can not blame Putin because for years they already declared war upon themself?
"You Will Be Depressed!" - Why Single, Aging Women FREAK OUT When They Hit The Wall
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I used to joke that I learned from my Dad and I'd wait until I was 40 and marry a 20 year old and skip the first bad marriage. Now that they're 70 and 50 and the kids are grown up I think I've decided I'm going to skip the troubles that the not-quite-as-bad 2nd marriage brings too.
Bullets dodged.
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S. Korea's births keep falling in March
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/273840639/s-korea-births-keep-fall
ing-in-march
‘Low fertility trap’: Why Italy’s falling birth rate is causing alarm
https://ktvz.com/news/national-world/cnn-world/2023/05/17/low-fertilit
y-trap-why-italys-falling-birth-rate-is-causing-alarm/
Japan firms feel 'sense of crisis' over falling birthrate: Reuters poll
https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/japan-firms-feel-sense-crisis-ove
r-falling-birthrate-2023-05-24/
1 out of 10 pediatric clinics in South Korea close in 5 years amid low fertility, deficits
https://asianews.network/1-out-of-10-pediatric-clinics-in-south-korea-
close-in-5-years-amid-low-fertility-deficits/
The Race Card Played
'Single mothers to mixed-race kids, how do you show your child to prospective men for the first time?'
https://archive.is/lidC1
'Is this your post OP?'
'I am convinced that the children of white father Asian mother are inherently fucked in the head. Probably some sort of resentment over their father being a colonizer or something. Children of Asian father white mother are well adjusted however.
White father Asian mother -> Elliot Rodger
Asian father White mother -> Keanu Reeves'
'Bang responsibly, white man.'
Katie the Curver, Written By Stan
https://www.the-niceguy.com/contributors/KatieTheCurver.html
After graduating from university, I took a year off to try to decide what I should do with my life. Less than a year later, the Covid-19 pandemic began to upend everyday society. Unsurprisingly, nobody wanted to meet in person. Understandably so. Still, human contact is a simple kind of comfort, if not a basic need. Like many others, working from home and not hanging out with friends became extremely lonely. Since I didn’t really have much to do, I decided to try my luck on dating apps.
The Difference Between Couples That Last and Those Who Don’t
https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/the-difference-between-cou
ples-that-last-and-those-who-dont/
The differences are small but significant.
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Revealing Divorce Statistics In 2023
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/divorce/divorce-statistics/
US divorce rates skyrocket amid COVID-19 pandemic
https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/divorce-rates-skyrocket-in-u-s-amid-covi
d-19/
Arguing with your partner over Covid? You’re not alone, with the pandemic straining many relationships
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/21/covid-has-put-pressures-and-strains-on
-relationships.html
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Revealing Divorce Statistics In 2023
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/divorce/divorce-statistics/
US divorce rates skyrocket amid COVID-19 pandemic
https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/divorce-rates-skyrocket-in-u-s-amid-covi
d-19/
Arguing with your partner over Covid? You’re not alone, with the pandemic straining many relationships
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/21/covid-has-put-pressures-and-strains-on
-relationships.html
Doesn't surprise me. I know people who let Hillary and Trump ruin their marriage. Hell... I know a guy who's old man still isn't talking to him because he voted for Trump in 2016.
10 times out of 10, it was the mask wearer of the couple who broke off the wedding during Covid.
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Divorced Women Threaten To Leave Florida Over New Alimony Laws
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Tough titty.
You're some strong independent whamin that don't need no man. No money for you then.
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Ellen wants to fight like a dude?
Asians mock western gender ideology
https://gettr.com/post/p2m031f2652
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What a flat U.S. birthrate could mean for the future
https://www.deseret.com/2023/8/23/23841936/us-birth-rate-flat-fertilit
y-rate-decline-cdc-mothers-children
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South Korea’s fertility rate is estimated to reach 0.6 by the end of the year
https://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20231208000534
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Child Support Court hearing for a man....government red tape....maury you are NOT the father... that the criminal lying State says owes over $16K in back child support for a child that is NOThis....Maury you are NOT the father ....Despite the State admitting, in open court, they know the identity of the child's real father, NOT the father...criminal extortion State knows this and illegally is doing a shakedown and is still seeking collection of the child support from man that is NOT the father...red tape wants to convict a man who has not done any crime, is it a crime, the woman she was way to comfortable screwing that dude over whom she knew for a fact wasn't the father.
the system twisted and US justice is a lot more malleable for billionaires...why paternity fraud is not a punishable crime?...the corrupt extortion system just keeps moving
and people ask why is there a Red Pill, Mens Rights, MGTOW movement?
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Split among US voters along gender lines and its impact on race to White House
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/watch/split-among-us-voters-along-gend
er-lines-and-its-impact-race-white-house-4676736
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a problem they might lose women's votes, invader have raped and killed women...not everyone will be so easily manipulated. Pushing the tranny crap in schools.
the Neo-Democrats radical sex vote, trying to drive a wedge between couples?
maybe the wrong move, a condescending and wrong-headed world view
Neo Democrats taught to hate the Traditional Nuclear family, open borders to islamics, the Gangsters of Eastern Europe or drug dangs of Latin America, its a democrat thing be ultra crazy 'progressive' tear down the old and to despise the nuclear family.
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the Hedonist Boomer years, followed by Gen-X
Boomers and Gen Xers Enter Their Gray Divorce Era, and Thanksgiving Won’t Be the Same
https://www.yahoo.com/news/news/m/a5e9a072-fa13-3619-b249-d7976af3eb60
/boomers-and-gen-xers-enter.html
Rising divorce rates among people over 50—so-called gray divorce—are complicating family holidays like Thanksgiving, normally beloved for its simple focus on food, gratitude and togetherness.
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the broken family, more Filing more courts, Divorce has become casual, even celebrated
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Femtacular results of the Arab world?
Moroccan court upholds 30-month sentence for feminist activist over blasphemous t-shirt
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/le-monde-africa/article/2025/10/06/retrial-o
f-jailed-moroccan-feminist-activist-began-on-monday_6746158_124.html
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The MOMENT this FOID realized they we’re LIVE and her Relationship with her FIANCE IS COOKED
https://x.com/gIoryboysin/status/2022360553419841894#m
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Relationship & Dating
https://9gag.com/gag/aAy8ng2
Deadlines in 30s..
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Gen Z women won’t have their first child until 35
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/06/10/gen-z-women-first-chil
d-age-35/
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