Some Covid-19 thoughts
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So, do you agree that the US 'should' be deployed all over the planet for 'national' defense?
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So, do you agree that the US 'should' be deployed all over the planet for 'national' defense?
Not at all.
Just easy to sing the Canadian national anthem and shit on American foreign policy when you live in Canada and don't have a single worry in your head that you're going to get invaded by a foreign power even though you have near zero for a defense budget, is all.
It truly must be nice.
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Who Will Bear the Costs of Coronavirus?
Posted on Monday, Apr 6, 2020 1:45AM by Thomas Wells
www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2020/04/who-will-bear-the-costs-of-c
oronavirus.html
Among other things Covid-19 is a moral crisis. It requires suspending the usual rules about who deserves what, firstly because it is impossible for many of us to pay what we owe in these conditions, and secondly because of the priority of the humanitarian duty to save as many lives as possible. Nevertheless we must not forget about justice. In particular we must make sure that the costs of this crisis are not born disproportionately by the poor, those least able to afford the burden but also least able to escape it.
An economy is a complex web made up of the promises we are continually making to each other. Those promises may not always be perfectly fair, but they are generally quite precise. They tell us what is expected from us and what we have the right to expect from others, from what time to take our kids to school to how many months of unemployment insurance we can count on if we lose our job. The trouble is that our ability to keep our promises depends on other people and organisations keeping their promises to us. If any particular link fails, it can be repaired, compensated, worked around, and so on. But if multiple links fail at the same time we are plunged into a moral crisis wherein our usual moral scripts cannot provide guidance. We need suddenly to look up from our tidy little life-worlds and think from the perspective of the whole (even global) society.
Many people, including leaders of government agencies and firms, have clearly struggled to get their heads around this breakdown of business-as-usual morality. They still see things in terms of what is fair or not under the old rules about what people deserve. Hence their slowness to recognise that gig workers need unemployment benefits even if they never paid the premiums, and that the uninsured need to know their medical care will be (almost) free. This is perhaps not so strange. As leaders well know, humans are very sensitive to promise-breaking and free-riding, and in normal times there is nothing more toxic to the functioning of any organisation or community. Fortunately most governments and even some businesses have recognised the need for a more humanitarian moral compass.
But capitalism has left us unused to thinking in simple human terms, about meeting people’s needs simply because their needs are great. It is not enough to bail out the companies for the sake of the economy if we lose the people the economy is supposed to support. There is a grave danger that without even thinking about it we will impose disproportionate and even unbearable costs upon the poor.
While the virus rages, the poor are the least able to protect themselves. They are less likely to be able to work from home; less able to access protective masks and gloves; less able to afford care if they fall ill with it. Moreover, the very measures we take to increase our safety make them disproportionately worse off. Shutting down the economy shuts them out of work, and hence out of food and shelter since they often lack the luxury of savings. Having to compete with hoarders leaves them with reduced or more expensive access to basic goods and hygiene products. This is not a state of affairs that can be sustained for the many months needed until the virus can be contained.
It is bad enough for the poor in rich world countries. In the densely populated urban slums of India or Sub-Saharan Africa the prospects for the poor are many times worse. Many poor countries spend a couple of dollars per year per person on public health and have effectively zero virus-testing and intensive-care capacity.
Moreover, the problems of the poor are not merely their problem. Containing the virus is a global collective good. If we force the poor to choose between going to work sick and staying home unpaid and hungry we should not be surprised that they cannot afford the sacrifice we are asking of them. Negl
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No. Now is not the time to even think about discussing border-crossing, unless we're talking about putting up more wall.
Article fail.
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Quote:I assume you are offended by this quote, since it mentions border-crossing:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No. Now is not the time to even think about discussing border-crossing, unless we're talking about putting up more wall.
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Quote:The "border" is between the rich and the poor. But if you are fine with the way things are, so am I. I will keep my land, my business, my wealth all for myself and you can keep your poverty all for yourself. It is the way things have been for thousands of years. Why change just because of covid-19?
Radical border-crossing measures are needed and quickly, probably including something like a global basic income as well as an enormous expansion of medical care and ambition. Covid-19 is a crisis in another sense. It is a moment when we get to choose one path or another.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I assume you are offended by this quote, since it mentions border-crossing:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No. Now is not the time to even think about discussing border-crossing, unless we're talking about putting up more wall.
Article fail.
Do Right, Be Right. :)Quote:The "border" is between the rich and the poor. But if you are fine with the way things are, so am I. I will keep my land, my business, my wealth all for myself and you can keep your poverty all for yourself. It is the way things have been for thousands of years. Why change just because of covid-19?
Radical border-crossing measures are needed and quickly, probably including something like a global basic income as well as an enormous expansion of medical care and ambition. Covid-19 is a crisis in another sense. It is a moment when we get to choose one path or another.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
I'm pointing out that there are a million and one other ways to phrase it.
When you use that term to something like this that isn't related to what the term actually means in the cultural vernacular, you are speaking to an audience that you're trying to sell ad revenue to, and you're not trying to appeal to a large audience and change minds.
Whether it was an intentional thing, or the author is just so pre-programmed with such phrases he learned in college makes no matter.
He is not going to change any minds using charged terms like that.
My charge is that the author never had any intention to.
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6IXSTRINGJACK:
How many aircraft carriers does Canada have again?
Easy to sit in judgement of the US when you can sit back and not worry about foreign powers messing with you because big brother is just a few clicks south of you.
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1KIKI:
So, do you agree that the US 'should' be deployed all over the planet for 'national' defense?
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6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not at all.
Just easy to sing the Canadian national anthem and shit on American foreign policy when you live in Canada and don't have a single worry in your head that you're going to get invaded by a foreign power even though you have near zero for a defense budget, is all.
It truly must be nice.
No witty retort, Kiki?
I mean, it really, truly must be nice to live in Canada and afford to have your government pouring all of that tax money into healthcare because your military budget couldn't even afford to buy a cup of Starbucks coffee everyday.
Truly, it must be really, really nice.
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It must be nice, indeed!
It's pretty easy to virtue-signal when most of your defense needs are covered by your neighbor to the south. (Altho, to be fair, Canada DOES have a military budget, it's about 0.5-0.8% of their gdp)
The same goes for the EU (NATO) which free-ride on the USA military budget. Also, Australia, Japan, etc.
But then, it WAS the USA politicians' decision to "defend our borders" in Serbia, Kuwait, Grenada, Ukraine, Australia, Vietnam, Nicaragua etc. And apparently with the blessing of the US population because every time I mention our wars in faraway places I get called a "Russian troll" or people wonder why I worry about "brown people" so much or I see knee-jerk support of our "deep state" which brings us these wars.
It is a SERIOUS flaw in the American political psyche to only think about "bread and butter" issues at home, without realizing how significantly an aggressive foreign policy limits our domestic issues.
USA military spending as a percent of gdp:
Has actually FALLEN a little, under Trump (data up to 2019) from 3.2% to 3.16%
Under Obama, was HIGHER (range 3.2%-4.7%) ... not because defense spending went higher but because gdp reduced.
Steadily dropped under Clinton (4.7% to 2.0%) the "peace dividend"
In 1962 was as high as 8.9%
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/military-spend
ing-defense-budget
Anyway, I thought it was interesting, there were no clear differences between Democrats and Republicans. High under Kennedy and Johnson (as low as 7.2%, as high as 9.1%), reduced under Nixon and Ford (starting at 8.3% and steadily dropping to 5.0%), somewhat raised under Carter (from 5.0% to 5.4%), significantly raised under "star wars" Reagan (as high as 6.3%) and then dropped under Clinton.
You know the rest.
It's not like Democrats were all peaceniks and Republicans were all warhawks.
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Thank you Sigs, for not misinterpreting my point here.
I've always been against our military budget, our policing of the world, our imperialism, our interference, as well as ANY money and/or aid we give to any other country with either our tax dollars or firing up the printing press and destroying the value of the USD with it, dating back here to my original posts in the RWED under GWB.
But it NEEDS to be said that it's VERY easy to sit in a country outside of the US that is friendly with the US and judge our foreign policy when they get a free military ride out of us.
I'm glad you agree. It's bullshit. Both the fact that WE do it, and the fact that a bunch of whiny little bitches that don't live here complain about it and don't even consider the many possibilities of how different things like borders on the globe might look in a parallel universe where we didn't do it.
I'd reckon they wouldn't be huge fans of many of those alternatives.
What percentage of those parallel universes do you suppose they're sending their children to school to say the Chinese or the Russian or the German pledge of allegiance while gazing up at a much different looking flag with their hand over their hearts?
The one thing that I'm not at all concerned about right here right now is being invaded by a foreign power in the US. How quickly do you think all those virtue signalers would start balling their eyes out if we completely shut our borders, withdrew all troops, lined up our aircraft carriers and entire Naval fleet on our east and west coast, and stopped any and all foreign aid to them?
I think in 2020 the answer to that question is how fast would Xi take advantage of his new situation.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
How many aircraft carriers does Canada have again?
Easy to sit in judgement of the US when you can sit back and not worry about foreign powers messing with you because big brother is just a few clicks south of you.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Jack, I don't want to start an argument but I was talking about this WORLD WIDE HEALTH CRISIS, not military or national defense policies.
I think most of us in Canada know we don't have a large military budget and I am sure that some Canadians wished that we had a bigger one. But our economy and population will not necessarily support that. So we pick and choose where and how we get involved in other areas of the world.
And since we are still involved with "Commonwealth" then we are duty bound to help out Australia, UK and other Commonwealth nations if possible. Like WWI and WWII, which in both cases the US was late to the show.
So don't pitch a fit at me because Canada is handling this crisis better or so it seems than the US is.
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Quote:Not very many.
What percentage of those parallel universes do you suppose they're sending their children to school to say the Chinese or the Russian or the German pledge of allegiance while gazing up at a much different looking flag with their hand over their hearts?
SIX, since our military and deep state "interventions" clearly have not benefitted the average person in the USA, or protected our borders, you do have to wonder WHY we intervened. If you look into history, you'll see that (with the glaring exception of WWII, the Korean war, and Vietnam) our wars were primarily for the benefit of transnationals. From our "interventions" in Central America so United Fruit could continue to turn their land into giant banana planations ("banana republics") and our NYC banks could acquire their banking systems to our military base in Northern Australia ("Asia pivot" under Obama) our wars have been primarily for economic or financial reasons. Some of them were to protect "our" resources abroad, some were to protect "our" banking dominance, some were to protect "our" shipping lanes, and most of our Mideast wars were to protect our petrodollar.
Yanno, if you have to enforce your trade at the point of a gun, it's clearly not trade that the partner considers "fair".
Quote:Probably quite quickly. Xi seems particularly sensitive to shipping thru the South China sea and around the Strait of Malacca/Singapore. Also very sensitive about Hong Kong and Taiwan.
The one thing that I'm not at all concerned about right here right now is being invaded by a foreign power in the US. How quickly do you think all those virtue signalers would start balling their eyes out if we completely shut our borders, withdrew all troops, lined up our aircraft carriers and entire Naval fleet on our east and west coast, and stopped any and all foreign aid to them?
I think in 2020 the answer to that question is how fast would Xi take advantage of his new situation.
I think if S Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Taiwan, and SE Asian nations and Australia are really worried about that, they should set up their own defense system. Give them, yanno, five years to get their shit together while you gradually pull the plug.
Same with NATO.
Anyway,this is pretty far away from Covid-19 and only relatable because of military v health care spending.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Not very many.
What percentage of those parallel universes do you suppose they're sending their children to school to say the Chinese or the Russian or the German pledge of allegiance while gazing up at a much different looking flag with their hand over their hearts?
SIX, since our military and deep state "interventions" clearly have not benefitted the average person in the USA, or protected our borders, you do have to wonder WHY we intervened. If you look into history, you'll see that (with the glaring exception of WWII, the Korean war, and Vietnam) our wars were primarily for the benefit of transnationals. From our "interventions" in Central America so United Fruit could continue to turn their land into giant banana planations ("banana republics") and our NYC banks could acquire their banking systems to our military base in Northern Australia ("Asia pivot" under Obama) our wars have been primarily for economic or financial reasons. Some of them were to protect "our" resources abroad, some were to protect "our" banking dominance, some were to protect "our" shipping lanes, and most of our Mideast wars were to protect our petrodollar.
I don't mean how many Americans sending their children to school, but those in foreign nations that benefit from our insane military presence. You seem to get that point with the rest of your reply, but didn't get it here, so I wanted to be sure you knew what I meant.
I won't argue at all about your reasons for the why. But that doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of countries in the world that benefit either directly or indirectly from our military, regardless of the true intentions behind it.
Imagine if Pearl Harbor never happened and we never joined WWII. That's the point I'm trying to make.
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Yanno, if you have to enforce your trade at the point of a gun, it's clearly not trade that the partner considers "fair".
Nope. I don't suppose it is.
Quote:Probably quite quickly. Xi seems particularly sensitive to shipping thru the South China sea and around the Strait of Malacca/Singapore. Also very sensitive about Hong Kong and Taiwan.
The one thing that I'm not at all concerned about right here right now is being invaded by a foreign power in the US. How quickly do you think all those virtue signalers would start balling their eyes out if we completely shut our borders, withdrew all troops, lined up our aircraft carriers and entire Naval fleet on our east and west coast, and stopped any and all foreign aid to them?
I think in 2020 the answer to that question is how fast would Xi take advantage of his new situation.
I think if S Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Taiwan, and SE Asian nations and Australia arer eally worried about that, they should set up their own defense system. Give them, yanno, five years to get their shit together while you gradually pull the plug.
Yup. Like I said, you seemed to be catching what I was throwing with the second part of your reply, but didn't with the first part of it.
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My reply to the first part was "not very many". I understood what you posted.
Germans would not be pledging allegiance to Russia, and Japanese would not be pledging allegiance to the Chinese. The only two nations truly at risk of a mainland Chinese takeover are Hong Kong (which technically belongs to China anyway) and Taiwan, which China regards as part of it's sovereign territory.
The one thing about having mutiple regional powers is that the Vietnamese can play the Russians against the Chinese, the Indians can play the USA, Chinese, and Russians off against each other; the Italians are actually busy playing Russia and China off against each other, and Germany and France and Poland can form an alliance. I think it would lead to nations with similar interests coalescing together, if nothing else into bloc of "non-aligned" states, instead of being forced into a "with us or against us" alignment with the USA.
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Coronavirus: Boris Johnson moved to intensive care as symptoms 'worsen'
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CITIZEN! YOUR PAPERS, PLEASE! (immunity certificates)
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Some of the first talks of this has originated in the UK. The government could roll out immunity passports to Britons who have already contracted and recovered from the virus so they can reenter the economy, reported The New York Times. (Britain Looking at Virus Immunity Certificates but More Research Needed) https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/04/02/world/europe/02reuters-heal
th-coronavirus-britain-immunity.html
"(An immunity certificate) is an important thing that we will be doing and are looking at but it's too early in the science of the immunity that comes from having had the disease," health minister Matt Hancock said at a Downing Street press conference.
"It's too early in that science to be able to put clarity around that. I wish that we could but the reason that we can't is because the science isn't yet advanced enough," Hancock said.
UK Health Secretary: "We are looking at an immunity certificate. How people who have had the disease, have got the antibodies, and therefore have immunity, can show that, and so get back... as much as possible to normal life." pic.twitter.com/SVLV8U2YwG
— The Hill (@thehill) April 3, 2020
... In Germany, researchers are preparing a study that would see if people already immune to the virus could reenter the workforce and be granted immunity passports.
(Germany To Introduce Coronavirus 'Immunity Certificates' For Recovered Public)
https://www.newsweek.com/germany-antibodies-tests-general-public-immun
ity-certificates-1494934
In Italy, the conservative president of the northeastern Veneto region has proposed an immunity passport for people who possess antibodies that show they are resistant to the virus.
(In Italy, Going Back to Work May Depend on Having the Right Antibodies)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-anti
bodies.html
The former prime minister, Matteo Renzi, has called it a "Covid Pass" for the uninfected who can return to their normal lives.
If you have to show papers in order to live a "normal" life, there's nothing normal about it. So don't use "return to normal" as a phrase to make this sound more acceptable.
Another problem: nobody knows how long the antibodies circulate in your blood. A month? A year? Ten years? IF the immunity fades in a year, your certificate also fades.
They'd better make these certificates hard to counterfeit.
And finally, it really would compel people to get vaccinated, when (and if) they ever develop a vaccine, leading to a windfall for the vaccine developer.
It would be better to keep pursuing a successful treatment that you could use even on critical cases.
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Nobody knows if those antibodies are actually protective in the first place. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Some people were truly reinfected (not just relapsed) and AFAIK there hasn't been a study on it.
Nobody knows how high an antibody concentration (titer) you need to have to be protected.
Nobody knows how broadly applicable those antibodies might be to minor - or major - variations in the strains going around.
And of course, as you mentioned nobody knows how long they last. They could be like Noro virus (cruise-ship trots) antibodies that fizzle in a few weeks, and there you are, with another lovely case after you just got over your last case.
This is such a medically bunged idea at the least!
And then there are - yeah - the need to have those certificates on you as you go about your life. The enforcement, being stopped, or denied entry, or a return to your workplace. And there's the whole apparatus of testing, recording results, certifying IDs and so on. And all the mischief that goes along with that. Sheesh. "Never let a good crisis go to waste" indeed.
A good treatment, and I think a vaccine would reduce the risks to the same as 'the' flu (as a reminder there are many influenza viruses that go around every year that often occur at the same time! that cause illness). And everybody could decide for themselves what level of risk they'll tolerate with which course of action.
On a different post-COVID topic, no, I don't believe this will remake our economy. Too many people have invested too much money and are making too much money the way things are now. It could CRASH the economy, but so did 2008. And what changed after that?
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My reply to the first part was "not very many". I understood what you posted.
Germans would not be pledging allegiance to Russia, and Japanese would not be pledging allegiance to the Chinese. The only two nations truly at risk of a mainland Chinese takeover are Hong Kong (which technically belongs to China anyway) and Taiwan, which China regards as part of it's sovereign territory.
The one thing about having mutiple regional powers is that the Vietnamese can play the Russians against the Chinese, the Indians can play the USA, Chinese, and Russians off against each other; the Italians are actually busy playing Russia and China off against each other, and Germany and France and Poland can form an alliance. I think it would lead to nations with similar interests coalescing together, if nothing else into bloc of "non-aligned" states, instead of being forced into a "with us or against us" alignment with the USA.
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You can't just look at it as "what would happen today". There's two different questions here. What would happen if we pulled out everything everywhere today, and what if throughout history, we had not played International Police To The World.
There has been a lot of power shifts over the decades. The only true constant has been the US Military presence, particularly in the last half century but dating back further than that as well. There is no doubt that a map of Europe would look quite a bit different today had the US not gotten involved in WWII.
Again, I don't want to make any mistake that I'm justifying our military budget and everything that we've done at all. I'm just saying that a lot of people in the world take for granted that their lives in many ways are the way that they are because of it. And I'm not talking about the brown people that we exploit and manipulate for oil. I'm talking about friendly nation states that probably wouldn't even be around today in the first place, but certainly wouldn't have been able to skate by on a shoe-string military budget to try to defend their borders if the US military didn't exist.
Canada and Mexico both benefit the most from this, naturally, since they are the countries who share our borders.
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America’s Pandemic War Games Don’t End Well
The lessons drawn from the 2001 "Dark Winter" exercise provided a stark preview of what the United States would face in 2020.
On June 22, 2001, a group of well-known U.S. officials and a handful of senior policymakers gathered at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland for a senior-level exercise that simulated a biological weapons attack—an outbreak of deadly smallpox—on the United States. Designed by the Johns Hopkins Center for Civilian Biodefense Strategies (now called the Center for Health Security) and the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), the day-and-a-half-long “Dark Winter” simulation was conducted to gauge how senior leaders would respond to such an attack and included such high-level participants as Sen. Sam Nunn (who played the president), former White House advisor David Gergen (the national security advisor), and the retired career diplomat Frank Wisner (the secretary of state). But Dark Winter has since become legendary in senior policymaking circles in Washington for a different reason: It has regularly been cited by its designers and participants as the clearest exhibit of the spiraling stresses, and potential social collapse, that could be sparked by a public health crisis.
Dark Winter (which stipulates a smallpox attack by an unknown assailant) is not COVID-19 (a disease inadvertently spread by human contact), of course. But the fallout from the coronavirus pandemic bears an eerie resemblance to the simulation: leaders hampered by an inability to address a crisis they hadn’t foreseen (“We’d have been much more comfortable with a terrorist bombing,” Nunn later said in congressional testimony); national decision-making driven by data and expertise from the medical and public health sectors; management options limited by the swift and unpredictable spread of the disease (and a limited stockpile of vaccines); a health care system that lacks the surge capacity to deal with mass casualties; increased tensions between state and federal authorities; the rapid spread of misinformation on cures and treatments for the outbreak (the only way to treat smallpox is to not get it); the difficulty of controlling unpredicted flights of civilians from infected areas; domestic turmoil sparked by political uncertainty (with sporadic rioting—quelled by National Guard units—in large urban areas as grocery stores are shuttered); and an increasing reliance on the willingness (and unwillingness) of individual citizens to self-quarantine to stop the spread of the contagion.
The Dark Winter exercise ended on the second day of the simulation after three long sessions—and purposely without resolution. But then, the exercise’s goal was not to predict the future but to dramatize the issues faced by the federal government during a nationwide health crisis. In this it masterfully succeeded, showing that what begins as a localized disease outbreak (of smallpox appearing in Oklahoma City and then in two other densely populated urban areas) can quickly become a crisis that envelopes the entire nation and the world: State borders become chokepoints crowded with those fleeing the disease, Canada and Mexico close their borders with the United States, and foreign nations restrict the travel of American citizens. There is no worst-case scenario, with the collapse of American democracy, but democratic institutions are severely tested and strained. After Dark Winter was concluded, the participants drew clear lessons from the exercise, focusing on the federal government’s lack of preparation for a public health crisis.
More at https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/01/coronavirus-pandemic-war-games-si
mulation-dark-winter/
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For the record, Dark Winter was held under GWB, a Republcian, and therefore a Preident that SECONDRATE hates. So we can discard this example because a Republican thought of it.
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Coronavirus: Boris Johnson moved to intensive care as symptoms 'worsen'
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Where's your celebration gifs?
We know how happy this makes you to hear. Almost as happy as if you heard that Trump got it.
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Quote:You can't take such a ahistorical view of the world.
You can't just look at it as "what would happen today". There's two different questions here. What would happen if we pulled out everything everywhere today, and what if throughout history, we had not played International Police To The World.
The USA didn't need to invade the western end of the N American continent, or any number of Central, South-American, and Spanish-controled nations (Philippines, Puerto Rico, what was then Mexico) prior to 1917 because Russia (and later, the Soviet Union) didn't even exist back then.
Some say that w dropped The Bomb (twice), not to beat the Japanese but the blunt the Soviet advance into Japan. But the Marshall Plan ensured Germany's reconstruction and success under a USA-dominated system, as did the reconstruction of Japan. As far as our wars in Korea and Vietnam ... they seemed pretty pointless. Our Mideast wars were mostly about oil and the petrodollar. Our inteventions in modern-day South and Central America had nothing to do with the spread of "communism" but were meant to continue the sheer out-and-out exploitation of our southern hemisphere.
It seems to me that MOST of our "interventions" have to do with exploitative economics, and actually created more blowback than allies. And right now our problem with China is also primarliy economic. It's hard to replay history, but if the USA had supported various pro-democracy reformist movements instead of fighting them, we would be a "nation among nations" with plenty of friends ... not an empire... and probably better off.
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Once again, you're taking what I say and arguing something completely different.
I think I'm just going to drop this conversation now because when you do that it's pointless to communicate further with you.
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Hung out to dry
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Ted's TDS is probably actually a healthier alternative to Coompf Mania.
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Human testing is beginning on a second coronavirus vaccine candidate after approval from the Food and Drug Administration, Inovio Pharmaceuticals announced Monday.
The company said the first phase of clinical testing is set to begin this week with a study of 40 healthy adult volunteers.
Each participant will receive two doses of the drug, INO-4800, four weeks apart. The initial immune responses and safety data from the study are expected by late summer, according to Inovio.
Preclinical data has shown “promising immune response results across multiple animal models,” the company said in the release.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/491498-human-testing-beginning-o
n-second-coronavirus-vaccine-candidate
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To coordinate their response, some states with few modeling resources or home-state experts have used the IHME forecast that projects peak deaths and the resources needed. The White House relied on it in part to generate its estimate last week that the epidemic would kill 100,000 to 240,000 people nationwide.
Most epidemiological models look at different populations that interact in an outbreak — people susceptible to infection, those who are infectious and those already infected who go on to die or recover.
Funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the IHME model embraces an entirely different statistical approach, taking the trending curve of deaths from China, and “fitting” that curve to emerging death data from U.S. cities and counties to predict what might come next.
For that reason, many experts saw IHME as overly optimistic when it was launched March 26. Few U.S. states or cities are taking action as drastic as what was adopted in Wuhan, China — the birthplace of the coronavirus pandemic — or even Northern Italy in locking down residents.
Another big difference between IHME and other models is a fundamental assumption about how effective social distancing can be. The creator of IHME’s model, Christopher Murray, said many state models assume that social distancing will only slow or reduce transmission to some degree. The IHME model, drawing from the example of Wuhan, assumes policies such as social distancing and stay-at-home orders, can effectively reduce transmission to the point where an epidemic — at least in its first wave — is actually brought under control by authorities.
While the IHME original model relied only on Wuhan’s curve, the updated model now incorporates curves from seven regions from Italy and Spain where epidemics have also peaked.
The updated model suggested the total number of deaths would be lower, with an estimated 82,000 deaths from the first wave of infection, although the number could range from 49,000 to 136,000.
www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/06/americas-most-influential-cor
onavirus-model-just-revised-its-estimates-downward-not-every-model-agrees/
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LATimes
"White House press secretary, who never gave a news conference, is out"
And during coronavirus, too.
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British Columbia getting kudos from Federal Health Minister Dr. Tam for how we are dealing with pandemic.
When this hit for BC and such was all a matter of timing. Quebec kids had their Spring break the beginning of March, so they were slow to implement stay at home directives. Same thing for Ontario.
BC kids Spring break was around the middle of March, so we saw what was happening in Quebec and Ontario. We learned from their unfortunate mistakes as did Alberta.
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Gov. Cuomo to designate some parks as temporary burial sites as morgues, crematoriums and cemeteries can't keep up with all the dead.
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I would hate to be in New York City, either as a resident or as a healthcare worker. But I especially feel for the healthcare workers. One roughly 500-bed hospital had almost 200 deaths in a 24 hour period. I can't imagine it. And I can't imagine going through this week after week.
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Gov. Cuomo to designate some parks as temporary burial sites as morgues, crematoriums and cemeteries can't keep up with all the dead.
No Brenda that's not accurate. An Island is being discussed as a possible site if it becomes necessary.
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Blanket apology for what I said about Gov. Cuomo and New York State. I heard something and didn't do any checking on it before posting.
So I humbly apologize.
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Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Gov. Cuomo to designate some parks as temporary burial sites as morgues, crematoriums and cemeteries can't keep up with all the dead.
No Brenda that's not accurate. An Island is being discussed as a possible site if it becomes necessary.
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Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
I do realize that now THG. I have left an apology in the thread for my misstatement.
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Church sign seen in BC. Sign says, "For the Love of God. Do what Dr. Bonnie says."
Dr. Bonnie Henry is the Chief Medical Officer in British Columbia.
ETA: Just realized I made a small typeo in the phrase. But its still funny.
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Only 25 new cases of Covid-19 reported Province wide today. That is down.
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Interesting sidebar to all of this. With surface noises being almost none nil now the seismologists are having a field day listening to Mother Earth. They are hearing more 0.2earthquakes and magma flowing under the earth's crust. They may find more faults as well.
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You know, I really don't understand the impulse people have to get together in large congregations to pray, or the ministers who encourage it - or even insist on it, in these days of social distancing.
They must not know their New Testament:
Matthew 6:5-6: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men....when thou prayest, enter into thy closet (private room, or inner self) and when thou has shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret...."
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Kiki, I think what the church sign is talking about is people still being idiots about social distancing. I've not heard of any churches here in BC being open on Sunday for services.
Stanley Park in Vancouver is closing the park to cars, so people walking, biking and jogging can social distance more and still enjoy the park. Though Vancouver Park Board has admitted that their officers have handed out 1,600 notices to people who haven't been adhering to the chief medical officer's orders.
Think there are a couple of parks closed but not sure. They are being monitored. Park boards don't want to close them unless they have to.
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The WHO Ignores Taiwan. The World Pays the Price.
Taiwan was more prepared for the coronavirus than any other country, but the WHO puts politics first.
There is an island nation off the southeastern coast of China where public health officials saw the pandemic coming—and took action before China did. Nearly three months after reporting its first confirmed case of Covid-19, this country has only reported 348 positive diagnoses and five deaths. It was one of the earliest countries to be hit and has one of the lowest infection rates.
But you wouldn’t know any of this if you got your information from the World Health Organization. The country is Taiwan, which the WHO refuses to recognize as a sovereign state.
Despite early warnings from Taiwanese officials, the organization kept the island cut off from its global information networks. Now, it may be the rest of the world that’s paying the price.
For nearly half a century, the People’s Republic of China has effectively blocked Taiwan from joining the WHO. Despite never having exercised authority over the island, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) officially considers Taiwan part of its territory, and forces international organizations—including the United Nations and its agencies like the WHO—to affirm its view.
Last weekend, the absurdity of this geopolitical paradox was laid bare in a news broadcast that quickly went viral. In a Skype interview, journalist Yvonne Tong of Hong Kong public broadcaster RTHK asked Dr. Bruce Aylward, a senior WHO official, if the global health body would reconsider Taiwan’s membership.
On Tong’s laptop screen, Aylward’s face twitched. He blinked for several seconds. Then he said he “couldn’t hear the question.” When Tong offered to repeat herself, Aylward cut in: “No, that’s OK, let’s move on to another question then.”
“I’m actually curious to talk about Taiwan as well,” said Tong. Aylward’s face disappeared—he had ended the call.
When Tong called back and repeated her question, Aylward replied, “Well, we’ve already talked about China. And when you look across all the different areas of China, they’ve actually all done quite a good job.” He thanked Tong and ended the call again.
The surreal exchange lasted all of one minute. But for Taiwanese people, it summed up a lifetime of gaslighting. During this outbreak alone, the WHO has kept changing how it refers to this country of nearly 24 million, going from “Taiwan, China,” to “Taipei” to the newer and bizarre “Taipei and its environs.” It also allowed China to report Taiwan’s coronavirus numbers as part of its own total, instead of reporting Taiwan’s numbers alone—a conflation that created headaches for the smaller nation. Some other countries enacted travel restrictions on Taiwan along with China, despite the former’s drastically lower infection rate.
When geopolitics dictate health policy, however, the most serious effects are rarely just economic. The WHO’s distortion of Taiwan’s reality has consequences that should be measured in human lives.
More at www.thenation.com/article/world/taiwan-who-coronavirus-china/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Oh, I understood that. It just reminded me of some megachurch in Texas defying orders to close, because ... idk. I wasn't clear!
Originally posted by Brenda:
Kiki, I think what the church sign is talking about is people still being idiots about social distancing. I've not heard of any churches here in BC being open on Sunday for services.
Stanley Park in Vancouver is closing the park to cars, so people walking, biking and jogging can social distance more and still enjoy the park. Though Vancouver Park Board has admitted that their officers have handed out 1,600 notices to people who haven't been adhering to the chief medical officer's orders.
Think there are a couple of parks closed but not sure. They are being monitored. Park boards don't want to close them unless they have to.
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Quote:Governor Greg Abbott, Republican, has deemed churches and houses of worship essential, thereby allowing them to stay open. And that goes right to the objection that a lot of pastors had. They did not like it when the government said that worship services were nonessential. They really were offended by that. Churches with Republican majorities just don't like the government telling them what to do. The Churches with a majority of Democrats have shut down. And while the Texas Governor was keeping churches open, at the very same time he banned abortions. He knows what Republican voters have always wanted, but couldn't have because of an old Supreme Court decision, and he was finally able to give it to them, justifying it by citing a pandemic as the reason.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Oh, I understood that. It just reminded me of some megachurch in Texas defying orders to close, because ... idk. I wasn't clear!
www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2020/04/01/texas-governor-says-attendi
ng-church-is-essential-but-abortions-can-wait-indefinitely/
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A lot of people are going to die either way.
You keep everything closed up, it's going to be a lot of young people who die.
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Quote:You might be mistaken. Life and death during the Great Depression
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You keep everything closed up, it's going to be a lot of young people who die.
For most age groups, mortality tended to peak during years of strong economic expansion (such as 1923, 1926, 1929, and 1936–1937). In contrast, the recessions of 1921, 1930–1933, and 1938 coincided with declines in mortality and gains in life expectancy. The only exception was suicide mortality which increased during the Great Depression, but accounted for less than 2% of deaths. Correlation and regression analyses confirmed a significant negative effect of economic expansions on health gains. The evolution of population health during the years 1920–1940 confirms the counterintuitive hypothesis that, as in other historical periods and market economies, population health tends to evolve better during recessions than in expansions.
Although social science is not physics, regularities in the past allow us at least some confidence in forecasting the future. Historical experience tells us that no particular increase of mortality is to be expected as a consequence of a recession beyond an increase in suicides which, although clearly important, is of small magnitude compared to the reduced number of fatalities from other causes.
While economic expansions bring with them increases in employment, greater optimism, and higher incomes (although not always and not for all sectors of the population), recessions are periods of pessimism, shrinking revenues, and social malaise. The Great Depression of the 1930s was a major crisis of social life, in which many people suffered reductions in income and deprivation, and consequent social unrest was widespread. Nevertheless, this was not associated with major declines in population health, which suggests that other mechanisms more than compensate the possible detrimental health impact of high unemployment and economic disruption. A better understanding of the beneficial effects of recessions on health may perhaps contribute to the development of economic policies that enhance health and minimize or buffer adverse impacts of economic expansions.
www.pnas.org/content/106/41/17290
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Things we didn't have in the 1920s:
DOW Jones portfolios via 401k that was supposed to cover retirement going up in smoke literally overnight.
A New Economy in the aftermath of this that will not very much resemble the old one because there is no way that it ever could. (Unlike the future decades that "proved" that war can be quite profitable for Americans, there will be no wartime economic boom to rescue the American economy this time).
Government mandated lockdowns forcing everybody inside.
Millions of jobs lost, with millions of workers that can't even apply for new ones because the state ordered all of the businesses closed.
50 years worth of some pretty terrible flicks depicting all sorts of violence, suicidal thoughts, and apocolypse scenarios bouncing around in the heads of people who are stuck home with each other panicking.
Terrible News Outlets that profit off of all of this and have the most captive audience in the history of news to continually pump the poison into their minds.
Drugs. Tons and tons and tons of drugs. All sorts of new ones that destroy countless lives even during the good times.
We've already seen quite a break down in society over the last few decades.
Most folk aren't mentally equipped for this. As long as things stay shut down, things can only get worse.
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Quote:The people in America who had that happen to them are white boys without a college degree. That would be YOU. Vote Trump! President Trump will make you feel better, but if you'd finished college you'd be a whole lot better off than if Trump gets elected President-For-Life. I'm just going by my experience as a not particularly articulate white boy who finished a mechanical engineering degree from the University of Texas at Austin. By the way, 3 years to graduate from UT Austin was much easier than 4 years at Sam Rayburn High School in Pasadena or in the US Army/Veterans hospital during the Vietnam War. That is just in case you whine about how unreasonable it is to expect white boys to go to college to get ahead in America.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We've already seen quite a break down in society over the last few decades.
Most folk aren't mentally equipped for this. As long as things stay shut down, things can only get worse.
What’s Going on With America’s White People?
Trump’s rise put a sudden spotlight on the troubles of white working-class Americans.
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/problems-white-people-america-
society-class-race-214227
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Originally posted by second:Quote:The people in America who had that happen to them are white boys without a college degree. That would be YOU. Vote Trump! President Trump will make you feel better, but if you'd finished college you'd be a whole lot better off than if Trump gets elected President-For-Life. I'm just going by my experience as a not particularly articulate white boy who finished a mechanical engineering degree from the University of Texas at Austin. By the way, 3 years to graduate from UT Austin was much easier than 4 years at Sam Rayburn High School in Pasadena or in the US Army/Veterans hospital during the Vietnam War. That is just in case you whine about how unreasonable it is to expect white boys to go to college to get ahead in America.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We've already seen quite a break down in society over the last few decades.
Most folk aren't mentally equipped for this. As long as things stay shut down, things can only get worse.
What’s Going on With America’s White People?
Trump’s rise put a sudden spotlight on the troubles of white working-class Americans.
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/problems-white-people-america-
society-class-race-214227
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
lol. You're so full of shit.
My house is paid for, buddy, and I'm all stocked up and I have zero debts. I also don't have anybody living here leeching my supplies or dealing with their own pent up frustrations that will only get worse as the lockdowns continue.
I wonder how all those people with college debt they'll be paying off the rest of their lives that can never be forgiven with bankruptcy feel right now while their means of earning a paycheck have been shut off to them and they still can't even log into the website to file an unemployment claim three weeks after they lost their jobs. Do they still think that Bachelors Degree in Gender Studies was a good idea in April of 2020?
Oh, yeah.
Let's add to the list of things people have in 2020 that they didn't have 100 years ago:
Crippling Student Loan Debt that they'll never pay off, even in good times.
Crippling Credit Card Debt with 30% interest rates that they'll never pay off in, even good times.
(And very likely when the dust settles....) Crippling Underwater Mortgages that leeched out any equity they had in their homes, leaving them with 30 years of payments on a house that isn't worth as much as they're going to end up paying on the balance.
Whoopsie!
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Quote:This is real case that came up 3 weeks ago. A Republican wants to give $10,000 to her son. She has 3 choices:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. You're so full of shit.
1) Pay $600 to a pawnshop every 2 weeks, which is $15,600 interest per year on a $10,000 loan.
2) Pay $500 to a quick loan shop every 2 weeks for 5 year, which is $65,000 to pay back a 5 year, $10,000 loan.
3) Pay $250 every week to her son or into a savings account for 40 weeks, until $10,000 has been saved, then give the money to the son.
Which option did the Republican pick?
Option 1. Then Option 2 after realizing that $600 every 2 weeks is more than $500 every 2 weeks.
After much questioning, I discovered that Option 3 would have also worked because the son did not need the money immediately. But Option 3 did NOT even occur as a possibility to the Republican until I had explained over and over.
What lesson did I learn? Republicans are stupid. Then I went to the quick loan shop and paid back the $10,000 loan from Option 2 and got a promise from the Republican to pay me back and never do either Option 1 or 2 again. But I know the Republican will forget and probably within a few weeks or months. Then the Republican will be right back in the same stupid predicament. Trump lovers are so predictably incompetent and slow to learn.
I should add that Trump lovers, the smarter ones, get into the same predictions as the dumber Trump lovers, but the details are more complex, yet still just as stupid as hell.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:This is real case that came up 3 weeks ago. A Republican wants to give $10,000 to her son. She has 3 choices:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol. You're so full of shit.
1) Pay $600 to a pawnshop every 2 weeks, which is $15,600 interest per year on a $10,000 loan.
2) Pay $500 to a quick loan shop every 2 weeks for 5 year, which is $65,000 to pay back a 5 year, $10,000 loan.
3) Pay $250 every week to her son or into a savings account for 40 weeks, until $10,000 has been saved, then give the money to the son.
Which option did the Republican pick?
Option 1. Then Option 2 after realizing that $600 every 2 weeks is more than $500 every 2 weeks.
After much questioning, I discovered that Option 3 would have also worked because the son did not need the money immediately. But Option 3 did NOT even occur as a possibility to the Republican until I had explained over and over.
What lesson did I learn? Republicans are stupid. Then I went to the quick loan shop and paid back the $10,000 loan from Option 2 and got a promise from the Republican to pay me back and never do either Option 1 or 2 again. But I know the Republican will forget and probably within a few weeks or months. Then the Republican will be right back in the same stupid predicament. Trump lovers are so predictably incompetent and slow to learn.
I should add that Trump lovers, the smarter ones, get into the same predictions as the dumber Trump lovers, but the details are more complex, yet still just as stupid as hell.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Meanwhile...
Your personal anecdotes about Evil Texas Republicans have no basis at all in reality and are not applicable at all to me.
Thanks for playing though.
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Quote:Oh, I understood that. It just reminded me of some megachurch in Texas defying orders to close, because ... idk. I wasn't clear!
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Kiki, I think what the church sign is talking about is people still being idiots about social distancing. I've not heard of any churches here in BC being open on Sunday for services.
Stanley Park in Vancouver is closing the park to cars, so people walking, biking and jogging can social distance more and still enjoy the park. Though Vancouver Park Board has admitted that their officers have handed out 1,600 notices to people who haven't been adhering to the chief medical officer's orders.
Think there are a couple of parks closed but not sure. They are being monitored. Park boards don't want to close them unless they have to.
It's okay Kiki. I know about the churches in Texas and in Florida holding services. Dumbazzes.
P.S., I also thought the sign was funny as Easter is coming and these signs usually have religious sayings on them.
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"For the Love of God. Do as Dr. Bonnie says."
It IS funny on so MANY levels! And clever in its use of a common phrase ... that... coming from a Church, could be taken literally. 
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Quote:I dare to tell me this story is false. You, personally, proved it is true a hundred times in the last two weeks:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Meanwhile...
Your personal anecdotes about Evil Texas Republicans have no basis at all in reality and are not applicable at all to me.
Thanks for playing though.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Study Says Republicans Aren’t Taking Social Distancing Seriously
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/04/study-says-republicans-arent-ta
king-social-distancing-seriously/
Trump and Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and all of Trump’s other acolytes are probably getting people killed—and it’s concentrated among the people who voted for Trump in the first place. That’s an irony, I suppose, but not one I can take much pleasure in.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:What about the formation and continuation of megachurches in the first place? Despite the fact that public prayer was enjoined against by Jesus himself (if you believe the NT).
Originally posted by second:
Governor Greg Abbott, Republican, has deemed churches and houses of worship essential, thereby allowing them to stay open. ...
I'm not a good christian, but yanno, even I can recognize hypocrisy in the service of ego when I see it. And it's not limited to republican christians.
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
"For the Love of God. Do as Dr. Bonnie says."
It IS funny on so MANY levels! And clever in its use of a common phrase ... that... coming from a Church, could be taken literally.
The sign actually says, "For the love of God do what Dr. Bonnie says." My typeo, my bad.
But it is a very clever sign and maybe more churches will pick it up and use it.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I dare to tell me this story is false. You, personally, proved it is true a hundred times in the last two weeks:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Meanwhile...
Your personal anecdotes about Evil Texas Republicans have no basis at all in reality and are not applicable at all to me.
Thanks for playing though.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Study Says Republicans Aren’t Taking Social Distancing Seriously
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/04/study-says-republicans-arent-ta
king-social-distancing-seriously/
Trump and Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and all of Trump’s other acolytes are probably getting people killed—and it’s concentrated among the people who voted for Trump in the first place. That’s an irony, I suppose, but not one I can take much pleasure in.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Yeah. What Kiki said.
Democrats are more likely to be Godless heathens than Republicans, but there are plenty of Democrat Christians out there too.
Some of them that are old and already sick might argue that going to church is more important than social distancing.
Then you've got Muslims. Nobody is going to claim that there are a lot of Republican Muslims running around out there. Some of them are even willing to strap on a vest made of bombs just for shits and giggles when we're not all on lockdown either.
Oh... and BTW... You better give Wishy the memo here. She's under the impression that entire black communities were targeted by the virus via the racist Trump administration.
And the last time I checked, black Americans overwhelmingly voted against Trump in 2016.
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Texas Blames Abortion for Spreading the Virus, but It’s the State That Has Put Millions at Risk
https://theintercept.com/2020/04/08/texas-abortion-coronavirus/
Elected officials in Texas have so far been the most enthusiastic about exploiting the viral outbreak to strip residents of reproductive autonomy in favor of scoring political points with anti-abortion supporters. It’s unsurprising that the state has charged headlong into defending its across-the-board abortion ban despite its obvious constitutional defect.
But it’s important to note that many Texas officials — including Gov. Abbott and Atty General Paxton — loathe health care access in general. They have refused to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, saying that it’s just “wrong” for Texas, despite the fact that a majority of Texans favor expansion. Texas has among the most stringent rules for Medicaid eligibility in the U.S., a problem that has left more than 750,000 residents in the so-called coverage gap, earning too much to qualify for Medicaid but too little to qualify for offsets under the ACA.
Texas has the highest rate of uninsured people in the country, with a whopping 18 percent of residents without health insurance; 26 percent of women of reproductive age lack insurance, more than double the national average. And the state has done a pretty miserable job of taking care of the kids who are already here. More than 1.5 million Texas children live in poverty, 9 percent have no health insurance, and 23 percent live with food insecurity. One would think that amid a public health crisis, these would be the sorts of facts that would keep Texas officials up at night, worrying about how the spread of the disease might cripple the state and kill its residents.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Hmmmm... that article doesn't say anything about what you started your post off with.
No thoughts on Republican Muslims, huh?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:You never got to this paragraph, where the Texas Attorney General gives his "justification" for banning abortion:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hmmmm... that article doesn't say anything about what you started your post off with.
No thoughts on Republican Muslims, huh?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Quote:There is more at https://theintercept.com/2020/04/08/texas-abortion-coronavirus/ but the Texas Attorney General has, ever since being elected, been maneuvering to prove "Abortion = Murder" and arrest women and keep them in jail. Since that has been shot down in Federal court, he is now using "Abortion = Murder by Covid-19". That has not yet been shot down by courts.
In a brief filed with the federal district court on March 30, Paxton made this argument: If clinics continue to provide abortion care, they’re bound to come into contact with individuals who have Covid-19 and will therefore spread the virus by treating them. After all, he wrote, “women travel from other locations to receive abortions at their clinics, and traveling to other parts of the state is exactly what is causing the spread of the virus.”
As for Republican Muslims, 13% of Muslims are Republican or lean in that direction.
www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/11/06/republicans-account-for-a-sma
ll-but-steady-share-of-u-s-muslims/
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You never got to this paragraph, where the Texas Attorney General gives his "justification" for banning abortion:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hmmmm... that article doesn't say anything about what you started your post off with.
No thoughts on Republican Muslims, huh?
Do Right, Be Right. :)Quote:There is more at https://theintercept.com/2020/04/08/texas-abortion-coronavirus/ but the Texas Attorney General has, ever since being elected, been maneuvering to prove "Abortion = Murder" and arrest women and keep them in jail. Since that has been shot down in Federal court, he is now using "Abortion = Murder by Covid-19". That has not yet been shot down by courts.
In a brief filed with the federal district court on March 30, Paxton made this argument: If clinics continue to provide abortion care, they’re bound to come into contact with individuals who have Covid-19 and will therefore spread the virus by treating them. After all, he wrote, “women travel from other locations to receive abortions at their clinics, and traveling to other parts of the state is exactly what is causing the spread of the virus.”
What he's saying is that now is not a good time for girls getting fucked while not taking proper precautions.
I can't have adjustments done to my dentures right now unless it constitutes an emergency or get a haircut either.
They make pills, and they're cheap and easy to obtain even without parental consent, and pharmacies are considered essential business. I suggest that women use them. Murdering babies is probably on the list of non-essential activities for the foreseeable future.
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As for Republican Muslims, 13% of Muslims are Republican or lean in that direction.
www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/11/06/republicans-account-for-a-sma
ll-but-steady-share-of-u-s-muslims/
I bet a Republican Muslim never wore a boom boom vest.
I'm also willing to bet that a far greater number of Christians are Democrats than 13% as well.
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Quote:The very first paragraph of the story said that the Texas Attorney General, using Covid-19 as the "justification" or his excuse, had declared it a crime to possess that drug you are talking about.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What he's saying is that now is not a good time for girls getting fucked while not taking proper precautions.
I can't have adjustments done to my dentures right now unless it constitutes an emergency or get a haircut either.
They make pills, and they're cheap and easy to obtain even without parental consent, and pharmacies are considered essential business. I suggest that women use them. Murdering babies is probably on the list of non-essential activities for the foreseeable future.
https://theintercept.com/2020/04/08/texas-abortion-coronavirus/
On March 23, Jane Doe’s life turned upside down. That night, she got a phone call from the Fort Worth, Texas, abortion clinic where she had an appointment scheduled for the next day to receive the drugs that would complete her medication abortion. The appointment, the clinic worker told her, was canceled. “I started to cry, and she cried too,” Doe recalled in a sworn statement filed March 30 in a lawsuit against the state. Just hours before the 24-year-old student and recently unemployed restaurant server got the news, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton had declared that amid the Covid-19 outbreak, all abortion would be banned in the state. Providers that defied the order would be punished, he warned, potentially by criminal prosecution and incarceration.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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The Premier of British Columbia John Horgan made a special amendment to his list of essential services. It is only for this weekend but Premier Horgan has declared that the Easter Bunny is an essential service. Of course the Premier has stated that the Easter Bunny follow Dr. Bonnie Henry's orders which include social distancing when delivering his eggs and washing his paws at each stop.
I have no doubt that other Premiers will be following suit along with the Prime Minister.
This is done to make the littlest citizens feel better.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:The very first paragraph of the story said that the Texas Attorney General, using Covid-19 as the "justification" or his excuse, had declared it a crime to possess that drug you are talking about.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What he's saying is that now is not a good time for girls getting fucked while not taking proper precautions.
I can't have adjustments done to my dentures right now unless it constitutes an emergency or get a haircut either.
They make pills, and they're cheap and easy to obtain even without parental consent, and pharmacies are considered essential business. I suggest that women use them. Murdering babies is probably on the list of non-essential activities for the foreseeable future.
https://theintercept.com/2020/04/08/texas-abortion-coronavirus/
On March 23, Jane Doe’s life turned upside down. That night, she got a phone call from the Fort Worth, Texas, abortion clinic where she had an appointment scheduled for the next day to receive the drugs that would complete her medication abortion. The appointment, the clinic worker told her, was canceled. “I started to cry, and she cried too,” Doe recalled in a sworn statement filed March 30 in a lawsuit against the state. Just hours before the 24-year-old student and recently unemployed restaurant server got the news, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton had declared that amid the Covid-19 outbreak, all abortion would be banned in the state. Providers that defied the order would be punished, he warned, potentially by criminal prosecution and incarceration.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
I'm talking about birth control.
You're talking about a pill that murders a baby.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Awwww ...
Originally posted by Brenda:
The Premier of British Columbia John Horgan made a special amendment to his list of essential services. It is only for this weekend but Premier Horgan has declared that the Easter Bunny is an essential service. Of course the Premier has stated that the Easter Bunny follow Dr. Bonnie Henry's orders which include social distancing when delivering his eggs and washing his paws at each stop.
I have no doubt that other Premiers will be following suit along with the Prime Minister.
This is done to make the littlest citizens feel better.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
The Premier of British Columbia John Horgan made a special amendment to his list of essential services. It is only for this weekend but Premier Horgan has declared that the Easter Bunny is an essential service. Of course the Premier has stated that the Easter Bunny follow Dr. Bonnie Henry's orders which include social distancing when delivering his eggs and washing his paws at each stop.
I have no doubt that other Premiers will be following suit along with the Prime Minister.
This is done to make the littlest citizens feel better.
Let's face it on little children this is hard. They need the stability that something like the Easter Bunny can bring.
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Quote:6ix and the Texas Attorney General agree that Abortion = Murder. 6ix, you are just as Republican as he is. He is using Covid-19 as his cover story to justify arresting women for murder. He and 6ix also agree about Obamacare.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:The very first paragraph of the story said that the Texas Attorney General, using Covid-19 as the "justification" or his excuse, had declared it a crime to possess that drug you are talking about.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What he's saying is that now is not a good time for girls getting fucked while not taking proper precautions.
I can't have adjustments done to my dentures right now unless it constitutes an emergency or get a haircut either.
They make pills, and they're cheap and easy to obtain even without parental consent, and pharmacies are considered essential business. I suggest that women use them. Murdering babies is probably on the list of non-essential activities for the foreseeable future.
https://theintercept.com/2020/04/08/texas-abortion-coronavirus/
On March 23, Jane Doe’s life turned upside down. That night, she got a phone call from the Fort Worth, Texas, abortion clinic where she had an appointment scheduled for the next day to receive the drugs that would complete her medication abortion. The appointment, the clinic worker told her, was canceled. “I started to cry, and she cried too,” Doe recalled in a sworn statement filed March 30 in a lawsuit against the state. Just hours before the 24-year-old student and recently unemployed restaurant server got the news, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton had declared that amid the Covid-19 outbreak, all abortion would be banned in the state. Providers that defied the order would be punished, he warned, potentially by criminal prosecution and incarceration.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
I'm talking about birth control.
You're talking about a pill that murders a baby.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Quote:https://theintercept.com/2020/04/08/texas-abortion-coronavirus/
But in fact, Texas politicians’ disdain for health care access extends beyond its borders. The state, with Paxton at the legal helm, is leading the charge to completely dismantle the ACA, which would leave more than 20 million Americans without insurance. “Finally being rid of this law,” Paxton has crowed, “will be a victory for all Americans.”
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Airlines Suspended China Flights Before Trump Did
Trump is once again boasting about his semi-ban on travel from China, but Trump didn’t act until after the three biggest American airlines, along with nearly every other international airline, had already suspended flights to China. In other words, when it didn’t really matter anymore. He didn’t have the guts to do it before then.
Here is the New York Times on January 31:
Moving to counter the spreading coronavirus outbreak, the Trump administration said Friday that it would bar entry by most foreign nationals who had recently visited China and put some American travelers under a quarantine as it declared a rare public health emergency. The temporary restrictions followed announcements by American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines that they would suspend air service between the United States and China for several months.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/04/airlines-suspended-china-flight
s-before-trump-did/
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BC and Alberta are making progress in bending the curve. Ontario and Quebec still in major difficulty.
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Airlines Suspended China Flights Before Trump Did
Trump is once again boasting about his semi-ban on travel from China, but Trump didn’t act until after the three biggest American airlines, along with nearly every other international airline, had already suspended flights to China. In other words, when it didn’t really matter anymore. He didn’t have the guts to do it before then.
Here is the New York Times on January 31:
Moving to counter the spreading coronavirus outbreak, the Trump administration said Friday that it would bar entry by most foreign nationals who had recently visited China and put some American travelers under a quarantine as it declared a rare public health emergency. The temporary restrictions followed announcements by American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines that they would suspend air service between the United States and China for several months.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/04/airlines-suspended-china-flight
s-before-trump-did/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Your point here is either to say that Trump didn't act fast enough, or to pretend that your Democrat Infested Legacy Media wasn't screaming RACISM when the ban went into effect now that they realize they were wrong and it should have happened sooner.
Either way, it's bullshit.
Fuck motherjones, Fuck your fake news, and Fuck you.
Here's some links for you to enjoy. I'm sure you already forgot all of these stories by now.
January 31st:
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Pelosi: Trump's expanded travel ban is 'outrageous, un-American' and threatens 'rule of law'
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/480991-pelosi-trumps-expanded-trave
l-ban-is-outrageous-un-american-and-threatens-rule
February 3rd:
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ACLU: Trump Is Expanding His Racist Travel Ban, This Time Targeting Africans
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/2/3/trump_expanded_muslim_ban_omar_j
adwat
February 4th:
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The Racism at the Heart of Trump’s ‘Travel Ban’
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/opinion/trump-travel-ban-nigeria.ht
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The new coronavirus is not an excuse to be racist
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/4/21121358/coronavirus-racism-social-m
edia-east-asian-chinese-xenophobia
February 5th:
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Trump’s expanded travel ban is a blow to America’s already tarnished global image
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-expanded-travel-ban-is-
a-blow-to-americas-already-tarnished-global-image/2020/02/05/e18be10e-46cf-11ea-ab15-b5df3261b710_story.html
February 7th:
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The coronavirus exposes the history of racism and “cleanliness”
https://www.vox.com/2020/2/7/21126758/coronavirus-xenophobia-racism-ch
ina-asians
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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BC and Alberta are making progress in bending the curve. Ontario and Quebec still in major difficulty.
Sad news...
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Pence's office blocks public health officials from appearing on CNN
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-s-office-blocks-public-h
ealth-officials-from-appearing-on-cnn/ar-BB12o3cV?ocid=msedgntp
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Former Obama Official: Trump Ignored The 'Pandemic Playbook' We Created
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How Trump dismantled the U.S. pandemic response infrastructure
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Trump Continues Looking For 'Targets To Blame'
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'Yikes!' Amanpour reacts to Fox News montage about virus
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BC and Alberta are making progress in bending the curve. Ontario and Quebec still in major difficulty.
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It is sad to see BC's sister provinces in such dire straits.
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Brenda, out of curiosity - do you see any significant differences between BC v Ontario and Quebec that seem like they would have caused such divergent (to date) paths?
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'Yikes!' Amanpour reacts to Fox News montage about virus
Somebody should put together a montage of how many times a CNN anchor called Trump racist for wanting to institute travel bans in January.
Woopsie.
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Aaa, the good old dayz.
Such a harsh contrast:
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Brenda, out of curiosity - do you see any significant differences between BC v Ontario and Quebec that seem like they would have caused such divergent (to date) paths?
Yeah Kiki. I had to do a little looking on when first cases or presumptive cases were seen in each province.
Ontario saw its first case on Jan 23, traveller returning from Wuhan China
BC was next on Jan 28 again another traveller
Same thing in Quebec Feb 28 but this time the traveller was returning home from Iran.
The differences also seem to be when social distancing measures were put in place. BC seemed to do it first then Ontario followed by Quebec.
Same goes for travel restrictions between Canada and the US. Once BC saw all the cases in Washington State the restrictions went into effect. Before the border was closed to all essential traffic such as trade, people were still going to Quebec from New York state.
I'm also inclined to agree with our doctors that it also had to do when children in Canada got out for Spring Break. In BC it is around the middle of March, Ontario and Quebec it is the beginning of March. So a lot of travelling in and out of the country.
There are just so many factors playing into this. And as I said BC saw what was happening in Quebec and Ontario and we learned fast.
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Hey Brenda - I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts!
To me Vancouver BC, Toronto, and Montreal are all highly international cities and I thought natural epicenters for an outbreak (though I was truly surprised by the sheer volume of air traffic between SoCal and China when I looked it up).
So to some extent it seems like it might have been a combination of lucky circumstances - BC was behind signal places like Washington state, Ontario, and Quebec. OTOH it took a very confident health officer to make the tough calls she made about borders, travel, and stay-at-home. Also, when it comes to testing, I think your health system isn't nearly as inflexible as the US one, so you were able to learn about cases earlier rather than later. I did look up the testing criteria for Ontario, and while it talks about high risk histories, it didn't forbid testing either. It left it up to the individual doctors. I imagine BC is the same. Here the Washington state case wasn't tested for 4 days because the CDC refused because ... the person didn't meet CDC criteria for testing. And I honestly don't think the CDC relented, I think someone fudged the test request to make it happen. And that started cracking the door open in the US to marginally expanded criteria. But here the testing is overwhelmed across the country and besides, now it's far beyond test and trace (tracing individual contacts).
Anyway, yeah, it looks like there was a bit of luck involved - BC didn't acquire SARS-COV-2 until rather late, and there was those spring break example form other provinces. But then, your health officer and your health system are capable of doing the job.
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Detroit hospital workers describe working conditions during Covid-19 crisis
People have died in its emergency room hallways before help can arrive. CNN spoke with five hospital workers at Sinai-Grace Hospital, part of the Detroit Medical Center system, who said staff members feel they don't have enough coworkers or supplies to deal with the crisis.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/detroit-hospital-workers-describe-wo
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Aerial video appears to show burials of unclaimed covid-19 victims and others on Hart Island
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Aerial video appears to show burials of unclaimed covid-19 victims and others on Hart Island
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Fake News! They were going to die anyway! It's no worse than a cold! < / sh*t people say >
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Quote:6ix, don't worry that Trump might lose the election; with a certain kind of audience, Trump is a huge winner:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck motherjones, Fuck your fake news, and Fuck you.
‘Many people who are dying, both here and around the world were on their last legs anyway, and I don’t want to sound callous about that.’
That’s former Fox News host Bill O’Reilly explaining on Sean Hannity’s radio show why he believes the coronavirus pandemic is being overblown.
“The [U.S. death toll] projections that you just mentioned are down to 60,000, I don’t think it will be that high — 13,000 dead now in the USA,” O’Reilly added.
Hannity’s response? “You’re going to get hammered for that,” he said, before doing his best to soften the blow by helping O’Reilly clarify exactly what he meant.
6ix, again, don't worry that Trump might lose. What is the worst that could happen to him? He gets 60,000 votes fewer than he would have if Covid-19 had never existed? Those people weren't gonna vote for him anyway, if they had lived. That's nothing. Trump is still gonna win because he is a WINNER! (That last was sarcasm. Sorry about that. I couldn't resist.)
www.marketwatch.com/story/bill-oreilly-plays-down-coronavirus-death-to
ll-in-interview-with-sean-hannity-they-were-on-their-last-legs-anyway-2020-04-09
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
Airlines Suspended China Flights Before Trump Did
Trump is once again boasting about his semi-ban on travel from China, but Trump didn’t act until after the three biggest American airlines, along with nearly every other international airline, had already suspended flights to China. In other words, when it didn’t really matter anymore. He didn’t have the guts to do it before then.
Here is the New York Times on January 31:
Moving to counter the spreading coronavirus outbreak, the Trump administration said Friday that it would bar entry by most foreign nationals who had recently visited China and put some American travelers under a quarantine as it declared a rare public health emergency. The temporary restrictions followed announcements by American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines that they would suspend air service between the United States and China for several months.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/04/airlines-suspended-china-flight
s-before-trump-did/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Your point here is either to say that Trump didn't act fast enough, or to pretend that your Democrat Infested Legacy Media wasn't screaming RACISM when the ban went into effect now that they realize they were wrong and it should have happened sooner.
Either way, it's bullshit.
Fuck motherjones, Fuck your fake news, and Fuck you.
Here's some links for you to enjoy. I'm sure you already forgot all of these stories by now.
January 31st:
Quote:
Pelosi: Trump's expanded travel ban is 'outrageous, un-American' and threatens 'rule of law'
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/480991-pelosi-trumps-expanded-trave
l-ban-is-outrageous-un-american-and-threatens-rule
February 3rd:
Quote:
ACLU: Trump Is Expanding His Racist Travel Ban, This Time Targeting Africans
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/2/3/trump_expanded_muslim_ban_omar_j
adwat
February 4th:
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The Racism at the Heart of Trump’s ‘Travel Ban’
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/opinion/trump-travel-ban-nigeria.ht
ml
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The new coronavirus is not an excuse to be racist
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/4/21121358/coronavirus-racism-social-m
edia-east-asian-chinese-xenophobia
February 5th:
Quote:
Trump’s expanded travel ban is a blow to America’s already tarnished global image
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-expanded-travel-ban-is-
a-blow-to-americas-already-tarnished-global-image/2020/02/05/e18be10e-46cf-11ea-ab15-b5df3261b710_story.html
February 7th:
Quote:
The coronavirus exposes the history of racism and “cleanliness”
https://www.vox.com/2020/2/7/21126758/coronavirus-xenophobia-racism-ch
ina-asians
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:It is so unfair to accuse Trump of racism when he isn't. (That was sarcasm.) And his voters aren't racist, either. Just ask them what they think of niggers and the Trump voters will tell you how deeply offended they are by the use that word. (Sarcasm, too.)
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Either way, it's bullshit.
Fuck motherjones, Fuck your fake news, and Fuck you.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-racist-twe
ets-aoc-ilhan-omar-baltimore-al-sharpton-jamestown-a9027306.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Just an FYI, trying to apply Twitter idiots on either side to the masses on either side is something that only idiots do. Twitter attracts the most basic, mindless bitches of all varieties and should never be used as a barometer for what normal people think.
And aside from that, you're deflecting again, like you always do.
Your original topic was that Trump didn't do enough to slow the spread in a timely fashion.
I showed you a dozen articles that look pretty insane now that hindsight is 20/20 that were all written by Lefty shills with TDS and quoting politicians that were also calling Trump racist when he did try to do something about it before it spread.
This right here. This is your fault.
I'm not going to let you forget that.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Your Fat Lazy President was told at the same time as the President of Taiwan about Covid-19. Taiwan acted. Fat Liar President did NOT act in time. Taiwan has 6 deaths. Fat Dumb President has about 5,000 times more deaths, not just 5,000 more deaths than Taiwan. That is the difference in results between being smart/fast/energetic and being stupid/slow/lazy/fat/liar.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This right here. This is your fault.
I'm not going to let you forget that.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/taiwan/
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Taiwan leadership didn't have the Lefty Shill Media Army the an insane Lefty congress led by Nancy Pelosi who called a travel ban an assault on the rule of law in America Undermining Fat dumb President every step of the way.
Your fault. Democrats fault. Legacy Media's fault. Period.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:The difference was that in Taiwan, if the President screws this up, the President will be assassinated and the country will be invaded by mainland China. On the other hand, Trump has no fear that Canada will invade or Mexico will send a hit-man to the White House, so he feels free to be as stupid and lazy as he wants to be. There will be NO CONSEQUENCES for Trump if he goofs off at his job.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fat dumb President didn't have a Lefty Shill Media Army and an insane Lefty congress led by Nancy Pelosi who called a travel ban an assault on the rule of law in America undermining him every step of the way.
Your fault. Democrats fault. Legacy Media's fault. Period.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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The difference is there's a lot less bureaucracy in Taiwan and the US president needs to cater to a bunch of whiny little bitches who have zero ability to remember what they were whining about two weeks ago.
This is your fault. This is Democrat's fault. This is Legacy Media's fault.
Period.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:6ix, the Republican Party created the America Health Care System to make the maximum amount of money for doctors. That is NOT how Taiwan is run. That is why Taiwan does better with Covid-19: When Kiyomi Liu moved to Taiwan from America in 2013, she was taken aback – in a good way – by its cheap medical fees.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The difference is there's a lot less bureaucracy in Taiwan and the US president needs to cater to a bunch of whiny little bitches who have zero ability to remember what they were whining about two weeks ago.
This is your fault. This is Democrat's fault. This is Legacy Media's fault.
Period.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
“I paid NT$150 (US$5) for an obstetrician-gynecologist consultation, an ultrasound and medicine at a neighborhood clinic,” said the Hsinchu-based American. “Back home, my bill came up to US$1,000 (NT$30,700) for the same procedure. I had to pay everything out of my own pocket because my insurance deductible was US$1,500 (NT$46,300).”
Liu is among the 99.6 percent of Taiwan’s 23.57 million people covered under the government-run National Health Insurance (NHI), a universal health care scheme that ensures every resident has access to quality and affordable medical care. The comprehensive coverage includes both inpatient and outpatient care, prescription drugs, traditional Chinese medicine, dental services and home nursing care. NHI enrollment is mandatory for all citizens and foreign residents in Taiwan.
With over 92 percent of clinics and hospitals contracted to NHI, patients have a wide choice of doctors or hospitals to choose from. Wait times are short. You pay a modest out-of-pocket fee (copayment) ranging from NT$80 to NT$360 (US$2.50 to US$11.50) per consultation. If you are willing to fork out a bit more, you can go directly to specialty care without a referral. Each NHI user holds a ‘smart card’ that contains the user’s medical data. A swipe of the card gives your doctor instant access to real-time medical records.
Premiums are paid by the insured, employers and the government and calculated based on wages and supplementary incomes like bonuses and stock dividends. The government covers the premiums for low-income households, military personnel and prisoners. NHI collects premiums from the insured and reimburse payments to medical care providers. It also earns revenues from lottery and tobacco excise taxes.
More at https://international.thenewslens.com/article/108032
Taiwanese will surpass Americans in wealth someday. It might already have happened because this chart only goes to 2010:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=qGPy
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Hey Brenda - I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts!
To me Vancouver BC, Toronto, and Montreal are all highly international cities and I thought natural epicenters for an outbreak (though I was truly surprised by the sheer volume of air traffic between SoCal and China when I looked it up).
So to some extent it seems like it might have been a combination of lucky circumstances - BC was behind signal places like Washington state, Ontario, and Quebec. OTOH it took a very confident health officer to make the tough calls she made about borders, travel, and stay-at-home. Also, when it comes to testing, I think your health system isn't nearly as inflexible as the US one, so you were able to learn about cases earlier rather than later. I did look up the testing criteria for Ontario, and while it talks about high risk histories, it didn't forbid testing either. It left it up to the individual doctors. I imagine BC is the same. Here the Washington state case wasn't tested for 4 days because the CDC refused because ... the person didn't meet CDC criteria for testing. And I honestly don't think the CDC relented, I think someone fudged the test request to make it happen. And that started cracking the door open in the US to marginally expanded criteria. But here the testing is overwhelmed across the country and besides, now it's far beyond test and trace (tracing individual contacts).
Anyway, yeah, it looks like there was a bit of luck involved - BC didn't acquire SARS-COV-2 until rather late, and there was those spring break example form other provinces. But then, your health officer and your health system are capable of doing the job.
No worries Kiki.
You would think so because each of those cities are major, major ports of entry into Canada, from the US and the rest of the world.
I have to admit that once all levels of government here in Canada saw what was happening they jumped on measures as fast as possible to protect. Health officers here are still hammering home the stay-at-home order as much as possible along with no unnecessary travel.
I think BC testing was left up to the doctors and that is a good thing. There was tracing done and that seemed to help find cases as well.
Of course now any travellors returning home Have to self-isolate for 14days and all help will be given to anyone who needs it. Canada is still bringing citizens home from abroad I believe but only through Vancouver airport and Montreal. They might be able to use Toronto and Edmonton as well.
We seem to be holding our own even Quebec and Ontario. No one is being denied treatment that I know of.
A little area of Montreal is making their streets one way. That means you walk on one side of the street to get where you are going and the other side to get home.
Another big worry for Vancouver and Toronto is the homeless situation. Vancouver has the poorest neighborhood in the country the Downtown East side. There is anything and everything you can think of there. So far there have been no cases there but the Vancouver city government is trying to find unused buildings to use the homeless and if need be for isolation. Hopefully that won't be needed. But they are trying to get more support staff into the area.
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Fake News! They were going to die anyway! It's no worse than a cold! < / sh*t people say >
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Aerial video appears to show burials of unclaimed covid-19 victims and others on Hart Island
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Fake News! They were going to die anyway! It's no worse than a cold! < / sh*t people say >
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Trump vs Trump on Coronavirus: the US President's changing tone in just a few weeks
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Quote:There goes SECONDRATE, lying and rewriting history, again.
SECOND: 6ix, the Republican Party blah blah blah ...
Last I checked, the ACA was written by a Democratic Congress and signed by a Democratic President.
Sheesh.
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First Covid-19 case in BC on a reserve. Blue River up in the North East of the province they are going into lockdown.
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In the middle of a press briefing on Sunday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the government’s top infectious disease expert, tried to answer a question about whether an anti-malaria drug, hydroxychloroquine, could be an effective treatment for Covid-19. Trump has continuously touted the drug in public despite the fact that there is no conclusive proof of its usefulness and plenty of evidence of its harmful side effects. His heedless quackery threatens to kill thousands.
The last thing Trump wanted was for Fauci to tell the truth while standing next to him in front of the press, so Trump blocked him from answering the question and attacked reporters for asking about it. “You don’t have to ask the question again,” Trump told a reporter, while complaining that Fauci had already talked about the anti-malarial drug “15 times.”
Fauci has tried hard over the last few weeks to avoid directly contradicting Trump, particularly in official press briefings. He has instead used alternative media interviews — including a popular online chat with NBA star Stephen Curry — to try to get the truth out.
Yet the fact that Fauci must stand by and let Trump spout dangerous misinformation shows how Trump’s purges have intimidated the remaining professionals inside the government.
https://theintercept.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-trump-firings/
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