Some Covid-19 thoughts

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In the middle of a press briefing on Sunday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the government’s top infectious disease expert, tried to answer a question about whether an anti-malaria drug, hydroxychloroquine, could be an effective treatment for Covid-19. Trump has continuously touted the drug in public despite the fact that there is no conclusive proof of its usefulness and plenty of evidence of its harmful side effects. His heedless quackery threatens to kill thousands.

The last thing Trump wanted was for Fauci to tell the truth while standing next to him in front of the press, so Trump blocked him from answering the question and attacked reporters for asking about it. “You don’t have to ask the question again,” Trump told a reporter, while complaining that Fauci had already talked about the anti-malarial drug “15 times.”

Fauci has tried hard over the last few weeks to avoid directly contradicting Trump, particularly in official press briefings. He has instead used alternative media interviews — including a popular online chat with NBA star Stephen Curry — to try to get the truth out.

Yet the fact that Fauci must stand by and let Trump spout dangerous misinformation shows how Trump’s purges have intimidated the remaining professionals inside the government.

https://theintercept.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-trump-firings/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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We live in an era of no conclusive proof justifying any of the actions.

I have far less problem with Trump trying to calm a public who is borderline full panic mode with hope that there is existing treatment for another illness that can help here.

How is that dangerous?

Don't bring up the "Trump Supporter" who got sick and her husband that died because they drank fish tank cleaner. That's fake news. She's got FEC reciepts up her ass donating to Hillary Clinton and the DNC, and she was charged with domestic abuse toward her husband which, less face it, must have been something pretty fucking terrible in America for a woman to actually get that charge.

She murdered her husband, than drank just enough of it to get sick herself. Then she claimed she was a Trump supporter and the shill Lefty media ran with that story without bothering or even caring to check if any of what she was saying was true.

Don't drink bleach, don't eat Tide Pods, don't medicate yourself with fish shit cleaner.

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Exclusive: Russia collecting intelligence on U.S. supply line failures amid coronavirus crisis, DHS warns

WASHINGTON — Russian spies are likely using the coronavirus pandemic as an opportunity to collect intelligence on U.S. supply lines, which have struggled to provide adequate medical equipment, according to an intelligence report issued earlier this week by the Department of Homeland Security and obtained by Yahoo News.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exclusive-russia-collecting-in
telligence-on-u-s-supply-line-failures-amid-coronavirus-crisis-dhs-warns/ar-BB12si33?ocid=msedgntp

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Trump administration shuttered pandemic monitoring program, then scrambled to extend it

As early indications of China's coronavirus outbreak emerged in late December, the Trump administration notified Congress it would still follow through with its plan to shutter a US Agency for International Development surveillance program tasked with detecting new, potentially dangerous infectious diseases and helping foreign labs stop emerging pandemic threats around the world.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-administration-shuttered
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Trump administration shuttered pandemic monitoring program, then scrambled to extend it

As early indications of China's coronavirus outbreak emerged in late December, the Trump administration notified Congress it would still follow through with its plan to shutter a US Agency for International Development surveillance program tasked with detecting new, potentially dangerous infectious diseases and helping foreign labs stop emerging pandemic threats around the world.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-administration-shuttered
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lol

What that article says but doesn't make any attempt to emphasize for its low IQ audience is that the program was still in effect, hence the 6 month extension signed on April 1st.

They were up and running when this all went down. They did a hell of a job, huh?

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We live in an era of no conclusive proof justifying any of the actions.

I have far less problem with Trump trying to calm a public who is borderline full panic mode with hope that there is existing treatment for another illness that can help here.

How is that dangerous?

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Coronavirus fuels a surge in fake medicines
www.bbc.com/news/health-52201077

Trump is selling a fake covid-19 cure, hydroxychloroquine, and he is paid with votes. For the names of other crooks like Trump, see "fake covid-19 cure" www.google.com/search?q=fake+covid-19+cure

Trump, and snake oil, are on the "List of medical products of unproven efficacy for COVID-19"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_products_of_unproven_eff
icacy_for_COVID-19

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Nebraska Getting $300G in Federal Money for Each Coronavirus Case While NY Gets $12G

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nebraska-getting-300g-in-federal-mon
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Trump administration shuttered pandemic monitoring program, then scrambled to extend it

As early indications of China's coronavirus outbreak emerged in late December, the Trump administration notified Congress it would still follow through with its plan to shutter a US Agency for International Development surveillance program tasked with detecting new, potentially dangerous infectious diseases and helping foreign labs stop emerging pandemic threats around the world.

The administration ultimately backtracked nearly three months later,

But by that time, the coronavirus outbreak had already been declared as a global pandemic by the World Health Organization and had claimed the lives of more than 4,300 people in the US.

The PREDICT program's cancellation and the subsequent scramble to secure an emergency extension reflects the Trump administration's broader pattern of dismantling or downsizing key offices and programs focused on protecting the US from a pandemic, despite multiple warnings in recent years about the need to prepare for such an event.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-administration-shuttered
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Trump asked what metrics he's using. See his response.

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We live in an era of no conclusive proof justifying any of the actions.

I have far less problem with Trump trying to calm a public who is borderline full panic mode with hope that there is existing treatment for another illness that can help here.

How is that dangerous?

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Coronavirus fuels a surge in fake medicines
www.bbc.com/news/health-52201077

Trump is selling a fake covid-19 cure, hydroxychloroquine, and he is paid with votes. For the names of other crooks like Trump, see "fake covid-19 cure" www.google.com/search?q=fake+covid-19+cure

Trump, and snake oil, are on the "List of medical products of unproven efficacy for COVID-19"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_products_of_unproven_eff
icacy_for_COVID-19

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Opportunists are everywhere, all the time. As unscrupulous as somebody trying to repackage fish tank cleaners might be, they're only successful if idiots on the other end of that are buying it.

In the last 24 hours, I've gotten two really good scam emails. One where a very polite gentleman informed me that while visiting a website reporting on The Coomph that my computer was hacked with malware and offering the suggestion that what he would do in my position is to send $1,900 in bitcoin to his web address so he can fix the issue for me. Another where a pastor who runs one of the largest global charitable organizations picked my email address among tons of others so they can donate money to us directly.


The first one doesn't even make sense to send in an email. Those kinds of threats are generally tied directly to a virus that is installed onto your computer when you download games or other programs from a shady website, and most people who don't know anything about computers end up with a computer that won't do anything they want it to do until they fix it, so they would feel more compelled to take it seriously.

The second one was nearly a word for word script of a scam email that dates back to at least 2012, only slightly modified to put references to The Coomph in it.


There will be people who fall for both of these.



Any dummy who swallows fish cleaner because it happens to have the same name as a malaria drug the President mentioned in a press conference deserves what they get just as much as people who drink bleach because of their medical properties and teenagers who eat Tide Pods to get internet clout.


You're just looking for something else to blame Trump on when the media largely isn't focusing on that right now. Especially at a time where despite the extreme Lefty shill media outlets putting out their worst polling numbers ever Trump still has 45% approval on the aggregate. That number would be higher if a reputable place like Gallup put out more polling too and they were included in the aggregate.

What do you suppose happens to that number once the Stimulus Checks finally go out and unemployment issues are ironed out and that back pay gets cut as well?


You've got millions of Americans out of work right now that haven't gotten money in 3 to 5 weeks and he's still at 45%.

Woopsie!

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You've got millions of Americans out of work right now that haven't gotten money in 3 to 5 weeks and he's still at 45%.

Woopsie!

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6ix, you explained yourself: "But at least I like the President."
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62934&mid=1098780#
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You're telling me you like being lied to by a guy who has been conning Americans, and getting rich doing it, for all his life:

Trump's Worst Atrocities
www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-so-far-atrocities-1-5
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I wouldn't say I like him as much as you and the other idiots in here hate him.

But yeah, he's the best president we've had in my adult lifetime, and he looks even better than he actually is because he came at a time where Democrats have become a joke.


As for this...

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You're telling me you like being lied to by a guy who has been conning Americans, and getting rich doing it, for all his life:

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Just throw out the name of every politician who ever did any politicking and that sentence fits them.


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As for this...

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You're telling me you like being lied to by a guy who has been conning Americans, and getting rich doing it, for all his life:

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Just throw out the name of every politician who ever did any politicking and that sentence fits them.

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No, it does NOT fit. Every Trump voter I know is cynical about politicians, even without knowing what exactly they have been lied to about. I'm cynical about Trump because I can read a list of 546 times Trump has lied his head off. Some of those lies I heard in real time. I didn't need the list because I knew the facts that Trump was lying about. His covid-19 lies are not on the list because if 546 examples aren't enough, the 547th example won't convince you that Trump is a crook and a con-man and a world champion liar.
www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-so-far-atrocities-1-5
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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All the President’s Lies About the Coronavirus

An unfinished compendium of Trump’s overwhelming dishonesty during a national emergency

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/04/trumps-lies-about-coronav
irus/608647/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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ATROCITY KEY
– Sexual Misconduct & Harassment
– White Supremacy
– Public Statements / Tweets
– Collusion with Russia & Obstruction of Justice
– Trump Staff /Administration
– Trump Family Business Dealings
– Policy
– Environment?

Hey Second; who's Ted?

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As for this...

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You're telling me you like being lied to by a guy who has been conning Americans, and getting rich doing it, for all his life:

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Just throw out the name of every politician who ever did any politicking and that sentence fits them.

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No, it does NOT fit. Every Trump voter I know is cynical about politicians, even without knowing what exactly they have been lied to about. I'm cynical about Trump because I can read a list of 546 times Trump has lied his head off. Some of those lies I heard in real time. I didn't need the list because I knew the facts that Trump was lying about. His covid-19 lies are not on the list because if 546 examples aren't enough, the 547th example won't convince you that Trump is a crook and a con-man and a world champion liar.
www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-so-far-atrocities-1-5
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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lol

How on earth would anybody be able to say that he's a "World Champion Liar" if he gets caught all of the time and he's on record for lying at least 546 times just about one single topic?

Sounds to me like he sucks at lying. A world champion liar gets away with it.

And really, to the point, why should anybody believe the Lies that the Legacy Media is saying about the guy either unless they already don't like him and want their confirmation bias jerked off?

If you hadn't been attacking Trump every single day for over 3 years over stupid and silly stuff, somebody might take your gripes today seriously.

That being said, you didn't. You or the Legacy Media isn't going to change a single mind. Everybody already knows who they're voting for in November.

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Well, I thought I'd stop by to see what "thoughts" about Covid-19 had been posted since the last time I was here, but I don't see many "thoughts" about Covid-19, or anything else for that matter.

Just recycled Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Really, guys, you need to blow some fresh air thru your brains and get rid of some of those cobwebs.

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As a political philosophy, Trumpism is an anti-establishment blend of economic populism, reactionary nationalism, and strong militarism summed up in Trump’s campaign slogan, “Make America Great Again.” Due to bigoted statements Trump had made and the viewpoints of some of his base, Trumpism is sometimes associated with white supremacy.

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1KIKI

Wednesday, April 15, 2020 4:58 AM (P)

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/04/coronavirus-growth-in-w
estern-countries-april-13-update/

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The daily death toll has been declining for several days now, so even a rolling average shows a net drop in daily deaths. The trendline is once again pointing toward tomorrow as the likely peak. That means somewhere in the ballpark of 50-60,000 deaths through summer. ... the undercounting probably hasn’t changed much over time ...

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But it has.
===> March 21, 2020 LACounty eliminates testing on most potential COVID-19 patients.
===> March 21, 2020 NYC eliminates testing on most potential COVID-19 patients.
NYC is THE single largest driver of COVID-19 statistics in the US. And if confirmed cases are undercounted, so too are confirmed deaths.

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A strong social distancing regimen reduces death rates by around a third or a half, not 5x or 10x.

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I'd be curious to see where he gets his figure from, and if it holds true even in cases where a virus has superspreaders.

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This is why the United States is doing fairly well even though our response was lousy and late.

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Well, no. The US is in the top 10 deaths per 1M people, and Sweden is above the US. http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

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It’s why South Korea did well with no countermeasures at all except for testing and tracing.

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And this is flat-out wrong. SK has MANDATORY (police-enforced) quarantine of anyone testing positive, a special-precautions travel policy for people entering the country, and official advisories for the public to stay indoors, avoid public events, wear masks and practice good hygiene, as well as a large-scale PR campaign that puts people under broad social pressure (a powerful force in SK) to conform.

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It’s why Sweden is doing only a bit worse than other Nordic countries ...

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And this is wrong in its claim "Sweden is doing only a bit worse than other Nordic countries" - Sweden has twice as many deaths per 1M as Denmark, the next-worse Nordic country.

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... and about the same as the rest of Europe even with very light countermeasures.

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And this is completely unsupported in its cause-effect claim. It's more likely due to the facts that 1) Sweden has a highly dispersed population as opposed to European countries with highly concentrated populations, and 2) that about half the Swedish workforce normally works from home.

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It’s why nearly every Western country is on a surprisingly similar trendline.

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Only if you think that 350 deaths per 1M (Belgium) is the same as 40 deaths per 1M (Germany).

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It’s why grocery workers are dying at only a moderately higher rate than the general population.

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Where? A lot of important differentiation can be washed out by taking too grand an average. There may be fewer grocery workers in NYC - dying at far higher rates than anywhere else.

But that certainly won't show up in a national average.

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It’s why red states that have resisted lockdowns haven’t suffered much for it. It’s why New York is doing so much worse than the Pacific coast states even though it lagged by only a few days in ordering lockdowns. A few days simply can’t account for a 20x difference.

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Yanno, maybe its simple numbers of people in concentration. If a small town has rampant COVID-19 spread, only a few hundred people will be affected. If a large city - like, oh, I don't now, let's say New York - has rampant COVID-19 spread, 8.4M people will be affected.

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Now, this is just a dilettante guess.

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No, it's outright misrepresentation of facts.

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Still, I wonder.

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No, you've got an agenda.

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Tens of thousands dead? Who gives a shit.

809,340 US citizens have already died this year from everything else.

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Would you like your disabled brother to be one of the number who die from covid-19?

You've never felt the cold hand of the Reaper on your shoulder. I have and yes what happened to me was out of my control, I still know how lucky I am to be here today.

I don't want to see millions die over something we can control and eventually get a vaccine for.

We and I mean humanity is suppose to be smarter than this but we really don't learn from our own history even when it comes to disease. Which is just as important as learning to control our war like behavior. Humans are social beings which is why something like a virus or any bacteria can spread so fast. It's made all the worse today because we hope on a plane in one part of the world and get off in a few hours in another, not thinking about what we (an individual) is doing.

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Millions aren't going to die from this. They never were.

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Millions aren't going to die from this. They never were.

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Trump obviously in the service of the super-rich. 6ix, if you weren't living in a hut and dreaming Trump would save you from your foolishness, you'd see it. To me it is obvious, but I'm in the class served by Trump. So where is Trump taking the US? We’re on the Brink of Cyberpunk. It’s not just the technology, surveillance, and dystopian vibes—it’s the culmination of decades of deliberate governmental erosion.

Where is the president in Blade Runner?

Beneath the 1982 neo-noir’s trappings of genetically engineered human automatons is a story about corporate power over and indifference to life, alienation in the face of wealthy indifference to the plight of workers. Replace the Tyrell Corporation with Amazon and reframe the replicants as “essential services,” and suddenly you have a world of workers terrified that their jobs are inherently a death sentence—moving straight from fiction to reality.

But while Blade Runner’s once-distant future of November 2019 feels resonant in so many ways—vast corporate power, persistent surveillance, life in a time of constant crisis—it misses the actual 2019’s most salient feature: an inescapable, painful awareness of politics and of the presence or deliberate absence of government in daily life.

Government, as experienced for much of the 20th century, is largely absent from the lives of characters in cyberpunk stories. Police are a durable feature, but government services and functions beyond the security state are absent.

Yet for all the aggressive visibility of politics in our daily lives, we’re not that far off from the powerlessness of a cyberpunk future. Cyberpunk speaks to the present because the conditions that inspired cyberpunk remain largely unchanged.

As the COVID-19 pandemic sweeps through the world, it collides with governments in the West that have spent decades deliberately shedding power, capability, and responsibility, reducing themselves to little more than vestigial organs that coordinate public-private partnerships of civic responsibility. This hollowing of the state began in earnest in the 1980s, and the science fiction of that time—the earliest texts of cyberpunk—imagines what happens when that process is complete. Cyberpunk is a genre of vast corporate power and acute personal deprivation. The technologies at the center of it are all means of control, control bought by the wealthy or broken by criminals. Where recourse is available, in whatever small way, it’s through direct action.

In William Gibson’s Neuromancer, characters interact with the government either through past military service or in the law literally made manifest in code. Real power is reserved for entrenched wealth. For Bruce Sterling’s Islands in the Net, politics is visible but is driven by corporations either bending states to their will or actively routing around governance. These dystopias are the logical culmination of a political project designed to fundamentally limit what government can do for people and expand what it can do for the wealthy.

Back in the 1980s, before movies and video games reduced the genre to a mass of unimaginative violence and body modification tropes, cyberpunk was the literary movement that was busy projecting our fears about rampant capitalism, media oversaturation, and emerging computer networks into fictional futures.

More at https://slate.com/technology/2020/04/coronavirus-cyberpunk-science-fic
tion-government-politics.html

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Trump, what a schmuck. Congress is responsible for the relief checks not him. And if you're wondering why the delay in the checks getting to the people; look no further than this sad sack event. It's criminal...

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In unprecedented move, Treasury orders Trump’s name printed on stimulus checks

The Treasury Department has ordered President Trump’s name be printed on stimulus checks the Internal Revenue Service is rushing to send to tens of millions of Americans, a process that could slow their delivery by a few days, senior IRS officials said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-unprecedented-move-treasury
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In unprecedented move, Treasury orders Trump’s name printed on stimulus checks

The Treasury Department has ordered President Trump’s name be printed on stimulus checks the Internal Revenue Service is rushing to send to tens of millions of Americans, a process that could slow their delivery by a few days, senior IRS officials said.

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Why not have "Vote Trump!" and a background photo of his face printed on the checks? The Treasury should know about Check Gallery: www.checkgallery.com
The second box is only 10 cents!

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Millions aren't going to die from this. They never were.

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Trump obviously in the service of the super-rich. 6ix, if you weren't living in a hut and dreaming Trump would save you from your foolishness, you'd see it.

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I don't live in a hut. It's a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom house that's going to triple my money when I'm done with it if there's still an economy when the joint effort from both Republicans and Democrats possibly destroyed it.

They're ALL in service of the super rich. And, BTW, part of the stimulus bill that was a near unanimous vote was a big fat pay raise for themselves.

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Trump, what a schmuck. Congress is responsible for the relief checks not him. And if you're wondering why the delay in the checks getting to the people; look no further than this sad sack event. It's criminal...

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In unprecedented move, Treasury orders Trump’s name printed on stimulus checks

The Treasury Department has ordered President Trump’s name be printed on stimulus checks the Internal Revenue Service is rushing to send to tens of millions of Americans, a process that could slow their delivery by a few days, senior IRS officials said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-unprecedented-move-treasury
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I worked in direct mail and graphic design. This will add an hour at most to the process. I assume the longest delay in the process would be to have Trump take a look at it and say whether or not his signature is big enough. Otherwise it'd only be 10 minutes.

Whatever ANON "official" said this is either lying or should be fired for incompetence.

The "journalist" should to, for not knowing this yet writing about it.

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Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick’s suggestion last month that he and other senior citizens would be willing to risk exposure to the coronavirus to get the economy back on its feet sparked headlines — and outrage — around the globe.

But the details of just how Patrick wants to jump start commerce in Texas, and who all is advising him on it, remains a state secret — with one notable exception, that is.

Patrick announced last week that G. Brint Ryan, a multimillionaire Dallas businessman and Donald Trump ally, would lead his “Task Force To Re-Start the Economy.”

Who else is on it? What’s the focus? Why all the secrecy?

Patrick’s office didn’t respond to numerous requests for more detail about his task force.

In the meantime, government watchdogs say Ryan, a Republican megadonor whose company specializes in reducing tax bills and getting economic development grants for big corporations, could benefit from his elevation to the head of Patrick’s quietly assembled task force.

Ryan denies that and insists his goal is to stabilize and revive the economy, particularly for small businesses.

The tension about who stands to gain from government recovery efforts mirrors a debate in Washington, where the lack of oversight and transparency of coronavirus-related spending is leading to concerns that the money could end up helping people that don’t need it.

“A major question here is whether Brint Ryan would be serving in this capacity in the interest of all Texans or if he is going to be serving in this capacity as sort of the Dan Patrick-sanctioned chief lobbyist for Ryan LLC,” said Dave Levinthal, editor at large at the Center for Public Integrity, a nonprofit research group that tracks the influence of money in politics.

Ryan certainly knows the tax code and how to wrangle billions of dollars out of government coffers for corporations. He’s been dubbed the “corporate welfare king” of Texas.

Savvy and politically wired: records show Ryan and his company’s political action committee together have given Patrick at least $775,000 since 2011, and over the years he has essentially power-sprayed money into campaigns benefiting major statewide Republicans.

Ryan Hired lawmakers

But he doesn’t just use campaign money to build relationships with elected officials. Ryan also puts them directly on the company payroll — even while they file bills Ryan LLC wants passed.

Case in point: in 2009 a Ryan lobbyist bragged the company was “heavily involved” in the passage of a package of property tax relief measures co-authored by then-state Rep. John Otto, R-Dayton. Otto’s other job: director of business development at Ryan. The company worked with Otto “to fine-tune” one bill and “drafted major provisions” of another before lobbying to pass the legislation, according to Ryan LLC’s own post-session analysis.

Otto told the Houston Chronicle the initiatives came from hearings he held all over the state — not from his private employer.

Ryan’s hiring of state Rep. Drew Springer of Muenster in 2017 as a “director” raised eyebrows at the Capitol since the North Texas Republican served on a key tax panel and voted in favor of several of the tax bills the company was pushing at the Capitol — including at least one Springer authored.

Springer said he’s no longer a Ryan LLC employee but he saw no conflict between his elected service and his day job, adding, “I never had anybody once come up and tell me that this would have been a beneficial Ryan bill to go vote on.”

Dallas area U.S Rep. Lance Gooden, R-Terrell, also was on the Ryan payroll for a time during his stint in the Texas Legislature, as was former state Rep. Harvey Hilderbran, R-Kerrville.

A member of the University of North Texas Board of Regents, Ryan has served as an informal tax adviser during President Donald Trump’s 2016 run, and his company sponsored the speaker series that paid for Donald Trump Jr.’s controversial 2017 speech at UNT, which came with a $100,000 fee.

Ryan said he doesn’t use his legislator-employees to advance his agenda at the Texas

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Three reasons the US is not ready for the next pandemic
https://theconversation.com/three-reasons-the-us-is-not-ready-for-the-
next-pandemic-100799

For three Texas A&M University pandemic scholars, the COVID-19 pandemic and the country’s ill-prepared response wasn’t a surprise. In fact, they predicted it and warned U.S. officials years ago.

Christine Blackburn, Andrew Natsios and Gerald Parker wrote an article in 2018, emphasizing the country’s need to prepare and to unite fronts with other countries and organizations to fight off a looming pandemic.

“It is not a matter of if, but when, the next disease will sweep through the world with deadly and costly consequences,” they wrote.

The article, “Three reasons the U.S. is not ready for the next pandemic,” was published in The Conversation, an online academic journal. It outlined the country’s gaps and risks in preparation for a pandemic, called for a strong, centralized leadership for international cooperation in health, and for U.S. officials to tackle the country’s vulnerable manufacturing chain of medical supplies.

The article noted that although global supply chains are beneficial in the way they offer cost effective, fast and efficient delivery of equipment and supplies, relying on these deliveries in other countries could leave chains vulnerable and “deprive people of needed medical supplies” in the case of an emergency or epidemic. The article even mentioned a potential shortage of N95 medical grade masks if an epidemic were to hit Asia, where most of the United States’ masks are produced.

“This interconnectedness of the global economy and the expansiveness of medical supply chains means that a disruption anywhere along the line could spell disaster worldwide,” the article authors wrote.

A&M researchers also urged U.S. officials to “address the threat of pandemics in cooperation with all other nations and with multilateral institutions such as the World Health Organization, the U.N. Security Council, UNICEF and more.” And it proposed the creation of a position within the White House that would have quick “decision-making authority” and prioritize pandemics as a threat to national security.

“When you’re talking about pandemic, it’s a collective good. We’re always in this together. Diseases don’t respect borders. … In order to address that, we need to address it as a global community,” said Blackburn, lead author of the article and deputy director of Texas A&M’s pandemic and biosecurity policy program.

With an onset of the novel coroanvirus, many of the issues or predictions presented in the A&M researchers’ article have become a reality.

Countries around the world, including the United States, are responding to a shortage of medical-grade masks — an issue that researchers suggested could have been prevented with the creation of policies to diversify production and transportation of supplies and a better understanding of critical supply chains and points of possible breakdown.

Suggested collaboration with health institutions, including the World Health Organization, is also in jeopardy.

President Donald Trump announced this week that he was instructing his administration to halt funding for the WHO, an agency responsible for international public health, pending a review of its role “in severely mismanaging and covering up the spread of the coronavirus.” The United States is WHO’s largest single donor, contributing between $400 million and $500 million annually to the Geneva-based agency in recent years.

WHO officials said they alerted the world about the virus in the early weeks of January.

Trump’s latest move has garnered criticism from global leaders and health officials, including Dr. Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, and Trump’s recent comments on the virus have often been at odds with state officials and officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Blackburn said it will take several years to move production of masks to a point where t

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I see New York is padding the death numbers by admitting to just adding 2,000+ deaths, because we're New York and we do whatever we want to do.

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@JYSexton

I hate to tell you, but as somebody from rural America, there are going to be so many uncounted deaths during this pandemic.

Poor Americans are taught not to get medical care, are riddled with preexisting conditions, and local journalism has been absolutely destroyed.

The pandemic is seeping into rural America right now and it's going to devastate communities, most of them through service jobs and retirement homes, and the media isn't going to notice or cover any of it as the narrative turns toward this thing being over.

These communities are just now being touched by the pandemic and many of them have been told by Fox News and the president that it's a political hoax.

The consequences are going to be horrific, and the media is simply not going to notice or tell their stories.
If you have trouble believing this, just take a look at what the meth and opioid epidemics were like. Rural communities can be RAVAGED without anyone with a television show even taking notice.

America is going to "reopen" while these communities burn.

And because Wal-Mart hollowed these communities out, there's only one place for everyone to go, for everyone to transmit.

The hospitals are outdated and unprepared. And most of the people don't have health insurance or trust experts anyway.
It's...going to get bad.

In my family most people shrug when talking about death. “Reopening” America sounds good to them because generations of exploitation has worn them down. They’re ready to die to punch the time clock.
The numbers are going to be massive but mostly unregistered.

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Must be true because Trump said it.
www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/theyre-adding-trump-suggests-new-y
ork-city-padding-coronavirus-death-toll-with-unconfirmed-cases/ar-BB12Jesb

Trump denied he wanted his name on stimulus checks. But Trump mused about placing his signature on the checks as early as late March.

www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/trump-denied-he-wanted-his-name-on
-stimulus-checks-heres-how-it-happened/ar-BB12GUV3

What the people really want is a personal check from Trump's bank account with his picture printed in full color and the words "Vote Trump". The envelope for the check should also have his picture and the words "Better than Biden. Vote Trump." That is not using Federal funds to reelect Trump, but if you disagree then take it to the Supreme Court. I'm sure they will rule in a 5 to 4 vote that it is perfectly Constitutional.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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I'd rather leave policy and reponse to the states, because each state is going to be affected differently. Some places, like NYC, are going to get slammed early. Others may get hit later, or less. If you force everyone into lockstep, they're going to be over- or under- reacting.

And then there is the fiasco of the CDC. The doctor who detected the first community case in the Seattle area had used a flu surveillance program but re-purposed it for SARS Cov-2, DESPITE the fact that the CDC had denied her request to go ahead many times, and even AFTER she found the first case ... a case that would have never been found if the CDC had its way ... they told her to stop testing.

And then, there was the CDC's insistence that everyone use their test kit, despite the fact that there many labs ready to test by other means, and the test kits were greatly delayed. The CDC's extremely narrow criteria for applying tests also hampered response.

The CDC's insistence that people not wear masks of any kind. Seriously??

The problem with centralized control is that it is inflexible, and it can insist on uniform, but wrong, policy, everywhere.

In the beginning stages of a epidemic, people need to be able to jump on it even if nobody knows exactly what's going on, and that doesn't mean waiting while a ginormous bureaucracy gets its feet moving.

I see the role of the CDC as more of an information clearing-house and advisor, like I see the Federal government as controlling the borders and interstate travel. For example, a providing centralized information on who had what equipment where, and maintaining and readying MANUFACTURING CAPACITY for critical items. If the CDC had allowed other labs to do different tests, they could have followed that up LATER with a comparison between the "official" test and the unofficial ones to allow uniform data interpretation. Instead, the CDC (and the FDA) were giant boondoggles. The author seems to think that centralizing control will make things better; instead, it just creates a field for bigger mistakes.

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Like? Sharing information? That's up to each nation. Sharing equipment? Not likely when everyone is scrambling for the same resources.

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, and for U.S. officials to tackle the country’s vulnerable manufacturing chain of medical supplies.

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I have been harping on this FOR YEARS, and been called a "Russian troll" for my trouble.

It's not just "medical supplies" because "pandemics" aren't the only kind of emergency, and ANY disruption in someone else's centralized production or fragile supply lines ... whether by war or natural disaster (elsewhere) leaves the USA vulnerable.

We live in a seriously depleted, fragile economy. We made it that way because "centralized" means economies of scale and greater "efficiency" and "offshore" means greater profits but is also less robust and not beneficial for, or protective of, Americans. The answer isn't more centralization, it's less.

And part of that answer is Make America great again. By hook or by crook, we need to divorce our economy from China and stop depending on them to be our manufacturing center.

Cue Russian troll" or Trumptard" in 3 ... 2... 1...

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We live in a seriously depleted, fragile economy. We made it that way because "centralized" means economies of scale and greater "efficiency" (profits) but is also less robust. The answer isn't more centralization, it's less.

And part of that answer is Make America great again. By hook or by crook, we need to divorce our economy from China and stop depending on them to be our manufacturing center.

Cue Russian troll" or Trumptard" in 3 ... 2... 1...

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Trump said he could solve the problem of Chinese goods with tariffs. He said tariffs would be paid by the Chinese, NOT by American consumers. That was a lie. If Americans won't pay, manufacturing and jobs won't be moving back to the USA. Since Americans don't wanna pay, it ain't gonna happen.

If you want N95 masks by the billions per month made in the USA then Americans have to pay to make that happen. Since they did not pay, it did not happen.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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SECOND, first of all, stop paying attention to what Trump says. What Trump says, or does, has little bearing on what needs to be done.

And, I mean NEEDS. Not what we would "like" to be done, or Gee wouldn't it be nice if it was done but NEEDS to be done.

Manufacturing again in America can only happen with a lot of investment. Either Congress needs to take the bull by the horns and fund that investment directly, or create a Federal bank (yanno, like in the Constitution) to make Federal loans. Under situations of war, the President may use the Defense Production Act.

Trump, by hook or by crook, has been divorcing our economy from China's. I give him credit for that.

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SECOND, first of all, stop paying attention to what Trump says. What Trump says, or does, has little bearing on what needs to be done.

And, I mean NEEDS. Not what we would "like" to be done, or Gee wouldn't it be nice if it was done but NEEDS to be done.

Manufacturing again in America can only happen with a lot of investment. Either Congress needs to take the bull by the horns and fund that investment directly, or create a Federal bank (yanno, like in the Constitution) to make Federal loans. Under situations of war, the President may use the Defense Production Act.

Trump, by hook or by crook, has been divorcing our economy from China's. I give him credit for that.

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I will never know if Trump knew he was lying when he said he could bring factory jobs to America from China by taxing Chinese goods without those tariffs being paid by Americans. But whatever he knew, he gave up on moving manufacturing jobs once American voters complained about the cost. Americans will complain about the cost of N95 masks made in America as soon as the cost becomes known for making billions of masks per month. What will politicians do then? Give up on Made in America or else they will not be reelected. Signym, no good will happen when voters won't pay.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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I see New York is padding the death numbers by admitting to just adding 2,000+ deaths, because we're New York and we do whatever we want to do.

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What a bunch of nonsense Kevin babbles !!!

The CDC revised its definition of "case" to include probable as well as confirmed COVID-19. "Changes in United States Data following the new CDC guidelines on "Case" and "Death" definition".

EVERYBODY changed their numbers - even Iowa - not just NY.

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SECOND - prices wouldn't have to go up at all if companies were willing to make something less than 2000% or more profit.

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What a shit show Kevin posts!!

The CDC revised its definition of "case" to include probable as well as confirmed COVID-19. "Changes in United States Data following the new CDC guidelines on "Case" and "Death" definition".

EVERYBODY changed their numbers - even Iowa - not just NY.

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In other words...

"We're not even going to pretend we're not lying about any of this anymore."

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I DON'T CARE WHAT TRUMP SAYS. He hosted a reality TV-show, remember? He says whatever he thinks he needs to say to get what he wants done, DONE.

I'm more interested in what HE DOES.

Jeezus, SECONDRATE, are you a dupe of reality TV shows?? You seem to take everything said seriously. ALL Presidents lie. Saint Obama lied, and he lied more consequentially than Trump.


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I DON'T CARE WHAT TRUMP SAYS. He hosted a reality TV-show, remember? He says whatever he thinks he needs to say to get what he wants done, DONE.

I'm more interested in what HE DOES.

Jeezus, SECONDRATE, are you a dupe of reality TV shows?? You seem to take everything said seriously. ALL Presidents lie. Saint Obama lied, and he lied more consequentially than Trump.

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People lie to me constantly, Signym. I can tolerate lies. My problem is not with lying, but with people who don't make sense. Trump doesn't make sense. Obama did. Trump is criminally incompetent. Obama wasn't. Trump is disorganized, fat, lazy and loquacious. Obama wasn't.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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In other words...

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"In other words" means you have to restate your original post because it wasn't true. So you admit that it's not about NY doing 'whatever we want to do' just because it's NY.

And I just thought I'd mention - those annual deaths due to 'the' flu that the CDC publishes that you believe, are made up out of thin air.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I DON'T CARE WHAT TRUMP SAYS. He hosted a reality TV-show, remember? He says whatever he thinks he needs to say to get what he wants done, DONE.

I'm more interested in what HE DOES.

Jeezus, SECONDRATE, are you a dupe of reality TV shows?? You seem to take everything said seriously. ALL Presidents lie. Saint Obama lied, and he lied more consequentially than Trump.

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Trump says he is fighting a war against Covid-19. How stupid is Trump's war strategy? We can find out by comparing Trump's country to Vietnam:

In Vietnam, There Have Been Fewer Than 300 COVID-19 Cases And No Deaths. Here's Why

April 16, 2020

Vietnam shares a border with China, yet it has reported no deaths from COVID-19 and just 268 confirmed cases, when other Southeast Asian nations are reporting thousands.

Experts say experience dealing with prior pandemics, early implementation of aggressive social distancing policies, strong action from political leaders and the muscle of a one-party authoritarian state have helped Vietnam.

"They had political commitment early on at the highest level," says John MacArthur, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's country representative in neighboring Thailand. "And that political commitment went from central level all the way down to the hamlet level."

With experience gained from dealing with the 2003 SARS and 2009 H1N1 bird flu pandemics, Vietnam's government started organizing its response in January — as soon as reports from Wuhan, where the virus is believed to have originated, began trickling in. The country quickly came up with a variety of tactics, including widespread quarantining and aggressive contact tracing. It has also won praise for its transparency in dealing with the crisis from the World Health Organization and the CDC.

Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc recently characterized Vietnam's efforts as the "spring general offensive of 2020," a reference to the 1968 Tet Offensive that many claim helped turn the tide of the Vietnam War.

Tens of thousands have been put in quarantine camps. By the end of March, Vietnam had banned all international and domestic flights. The government locked down the country on April 1. State-run media say the current social distancing and stay-at-home orders are to be extended for at least another week.

Those who break the rules in this one-party Communist state are treated harshly. One man was jailed on a nine-month sentence for failing to wear a mask.

Streets normally buzzing with motorcycles and cars are almost empty in most large cities. As the economic toll of the lockdown becomes apparent, some entrepreneurs are stepping up to help. One has provided "rice ATMs" to dispense free rice to those who are out of work.

Some may still be skeptical of Vietnam's relatively low COVID-19 case numbers. The CDC's MacArthur is not.

"Our team up in Hanoi is working very, very closely with their Ministry of Health counterparts," he says. "The communications I've had with my Vietnam team is that at this point in time [they] don't have any indication that those numbers are false."

www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/16/835748673/in-
vietnam-there-have-been-fewer-than-300-covid-19-cases-and-no-deaths-heres-why

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People lie to me constantly, Signym. I can tolerate lies. My problem is not with lying, but with people who don't make sense. Trump doesn't make sense. Obama did. Trump is criminally incompetent.

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How would you know? You never pay attention to what he does.

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Obama wasn't. Trump is disorganized, fat, lazy and loquacious. Obama wasn't.

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Since all you ever post about is what Trump says, or tweets, or what other people say he says, or tweets, how would you know about anything else?

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People lie to me constantly, Signym. I can tolerate lies. My problem is not with lying, but with people who don't make sense. Trump doesn't make sense. Obama did. Trump is criminally incompetent.

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How would you know? You never pay attention to what he does.

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Obama wasn't. Trump is disorganized, fat, lazy and loquacious. Obama wasn't.

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Since all you ever post about is what Trump says, or tweets, or what other people say he says, or tweets, how would you know about anything else?

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Are you claiming that Trump is thin and doesn't have diarrhea of the mouth? This thing you and Signym have about evaluating Trump on what he does and not what he says: I can't prove Trump has done anything as President. It is his staff that does his work for him, what little is being accomplished as far as the pandemic. Must be nice for Trump getting paid for being boss yet never doing the parts he dislikes. But I can prove he never shuts his flapping mouth.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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You SAY you care about Trump being incompetent.

And then you post about everything BUT what he does. For example, here you focus on Trump not being "thin" and having "diarrhea of the mouth".

I'll leave it for you to explain.

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I see New York is padding the death numbers by admitting to just adding 2,000+ deaths, because we're New York and we do whatever we want to do.

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In other words...

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"In other words" means you have to restate your original post because it wasn't true. So you admit that it's not about NY doing 'whatever we want to do' just because it's NY.

And I just thought I'd mention - those annual deaths due to 'the' flu that the CDC publishes that you believe, are made up out of thin air.

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We're friends. You can call me Kev. ;)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I DON'T CARE WHAT TRUMP SAYS. He hosted a reality TV-show, remember? He says whatever he thinks he needs to say to get what he wants done, DONE.

I'm more interested in what HE DOES.

Jeezus, SECONDRATE, are you a dupe of reality TV shows?? You seem to take everything said seriously. ALL Presidents lie. Saint Obama lied, and he lied more consequentially than Trump.

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Trump says he is fighting a war against Covid-19. How stupid is Trump's war strategy? We can find out by comparing Trump's country to Vietnam:

In Vietnam, There Have Been Fewer Than 300 COVID-19 Cases And No Deaths. Here's Why

April 16, 2020

Vietnam shares a border with China, yet it has reported no deaths from COVID-19 and just 268 confirmed cases, when other Southeast Asian nations are reporting thousands.

Experts say experience dealing with prior pandemics, early implementation of aggressive social distancing policies, strong action from political leaders and the muscle of a one-party authoritarian state have helped Vietnam.

"They had political commitment early on at the highest level," says John MacArthur, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's country representative in neighboring Thailand. "And that political commitment went from central level all the way down to the hamlet level."

With experience gained from dealing with the 2003 SARS and 2009 H1N1 bird flu pandemics, Vietnam's government started organizing its response in January — as soon as reports from Wuhan, where the virus is believed to have originated, began trickling in. The country quickly came up with a variety of tactics, including widespread quarantining and aggressive contact tracing. It has also won praise for its transparency in dealing with the crisis from the World Health Organization and the CDC.

Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc recently characterized Vietnam's efforts as the "spring general offensive of 2020," a reference to the 1968 Tet Offensive that many claim helped turn the tide of the Vietnam War.

Tens of thousands have been put in quarantine camps. By the end of March, Vietnam had banned all international and domestic flights. The government locked down the country on April 1. State-run media say the current social distancing and stay-at-home orders are to be extended for at least another week.

Those who break the rules in this one-party Communist state are treated harshly. One man was jailed on a nine-month sentence for failing to wear a mask.

Streets normally buzzing with motorcycles and cars are almost empty in most large cities. As the economic toll of the lockdown becomes apparent, some entrepreneurs are stepping up to help. One has provided "rice ATMs" to dispense free rice to those who are out of work.

Some may still be skeptical of Vietnam's relatively low COVID-19 case numbers. The CDC's MacArthur is not.

"Our team up in Hanoi is working very, very closely with their Ministry of Health counterparts," he says. "The communications I've had with my Vietnam team is that at this point in time [they] don't have any indication that those numbers are false."

www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/16/835748673/in-
vietnam-there-have-been-fewer-than-300-covid-19-cases-and-no-deaths-heres-why

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More evidence that Second doesn't give a single shit about the Constitution and that he's a Communist.

Keep posting buddy.

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6ix, you might not know, but the Vietnamese are poorer than Americans and yet Vietnam shut down for Covid-19 because they care more about keeping the death toll low then they do about money while you have told us many times you care only about money and don't give a damn about who dies. You and Trump have got that in common which makes you two Ebenezer Scrooge before the Ghosts of Christmas scared him.

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You just applauded a government that shuts everything down at gunpoint.

Shut up, Commie. Your opinion is invalid.

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6ix, the GOP is a death cult. You've told us that everybody dies sooner or later and you regret you only have one life to give to Trump and the Economy. You told us about what the country does not shutdown for: traffic accidents, heart disease, cancer, and especially mass shootings. Those have a special, loving place in GOP hearts. To feel otherwise would make you a SJW, 6ix. Don't go there. Carry on as an out-of-work nutjob living in a shack you're proud of for purchasing so cheaply, 6ix, and eventually killing yourself with either tobacco, alcohol, firearms, obesity, Oxycontin, falling from the roof of your shack, etc. That is the Republican way -- a death cult. But before you die, vote for Trump. You'll be happy to know your vote was the one that gave Trump his victory since otherwise Indiana might have gone for Biden. On second thought, since you are sure Trump will win, maybe it makes no difference if you vote or not, work or not, live or die.

As for me, I have work to do tomorrow and people depending on me to be there.

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6ix, the GOP is a death cult./b]

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Jesus Christ, you're an idiot.

No it's not. My Republican Governor shut Indiana down way before all but the most Democrat run shitholes did.



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Jesus Christ, you're an idiot.

No it's not. My Republican Governor shut Indiana down way before all but the most Democrat run shitholes did.

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Your Indiana governor can't make up his mind? He doesn't want to declare martial law to really shut down Indiana and he doesn't want to tell everyone go to work, so he choose Trump's chicken-heart way of avoiding responsibility. This pandemic is the best example yet that Donald Trump is the Wizard of Oz, and there’s nothing behind the curtain.

Trump’s name will, in a break with all previous practice, appear on the checks that will slightly mitigate the Donald Trump depression caused by the Donald Trump pandemic. Hey, we’re supposed to put his name on everything, right?

The operative word, however, is “slightly.” Those $1,200 checks, it turns out, are only a small fraction of the rescue package Congress passed a few weeks ago. And the CARES Act, in turn, fell far short of meeting the nation’s needs.

Given the scale of the economic carnage — 22 million jobs lost in four weeks — we need another huge relief program, both to limit financial hardship and to avoid economic damage that will persist even when the pandemic fades.

But we may not get the program we need, because anti-government ideologues, who briefly got quiet as the magnitude of the Covid-19 shock became apparent, are back to their usual tricks.

If there’s a silver lining to all this, it is that the people sabotaging our response to Covid-19 economics may also be sabotaging their own political future. Trump is, after all, counting on rapid economic recovery to erase public memories of his disastrous handling of the pandemic itself. Yet he and his allies in the Senate are making such a recovery much less likely.

More at www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/opinion/trump-coronavirus-economy.html

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The pressure on Trump for scapegoats is strong.

Trump, Aides Float ‘Chinese Lab’ Theory on Origins of Coronavirus

President Donald Trump and some of his officials are flirting with an outlier theory that the new coronavirus was set loose on the world by a Chinese lab that let it escape.

Trump failed to live up to his early promises to have ample testing, a key factor in containing disease. The U.S. still struggles to supply hospitals, front-line workers and patients with necessities in a climate of confusion spilling into chaos.

www.snopes.com/ap/2020/04/16/trump-aides-float-chinese-lab-theory-on-o
rigins-of-coronavirus/

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No it's not. My Republican Governor shut Indiana down way before all but the most Democrat run shitholes did.

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Your Indiana governor can't make up his mind? He doesn't want to declare martial law to really shut down Indiana and he doesn't want to tell everyone go to work, so he choose Trump's chicken-heart way of avoiding responsibility. This pandemic is the best example yet that Donald Trump is the Wizard of Oz, and there’s nothing behind the curtain.

Trump’s name will, in a break with all previous practice, appear on the checks that will slightly mitigate the Donald Trump depression caused by the Donald Trump pandemic. Hey, we’re supposed to put his name on everything, right?

The operative word, however, is “slightly.” Those $1,200 checks, it turns out, are only a small fraction of the rescue package Congress passed a few weeks ago. And the CARES Act, in turn, fell far short of meeting the nation’s needs.

Given the scale of the economic carnage — 22 million jobs lost in four weeks — we need another huge relief program, both to limit financial hardship and to avoid economic damage that will persist even when the pandemic fades.

But we may not get the program we need, because anti-government ideologues, who briefly got quiet as the magnitude of the Covid-19 shock became apparent, are back to their usual tricks.

If there’s a silver lining to all this, it is that the people sabotaging our response to Covid-19 economics may also be sabotaging their own political future. Trump is, after all, counting on rapid economic recovery to erase public memories of his disastrous handling of the pandemic itself. Yet he and his allies in the Senate are making such a recovery much less likely.

More at www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/opinion/trump-coronavirus-economy.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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We all know you're all for full on Martial Law with a shoot first ask questions later policy.

You are a Communist.

You don't have to keep repeating yourself. We know, we know.

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The pressure on Trump for scapegoats is strong.

Trump, Aides Float ‘Chinese Lab’ Theory on Origins of Coronavirus

President Donald Trump and some of his officials are flirting with an outlier theory that the new coronavirus was set loose on the world by a Chinese lab that let it escape.

Trump failed to live up to his early promises to have ample testing, a key factor in containing disease. The U.S. still struggles to supply hospitals, front-line workers and patients with necessities in a climate of confusion spilling into chaos.

www.snopes.com/ap/2020/04/16/trump-aides-float-chinese-lab-theory-on-o
rigins-of-coronavirus/

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lol Snopes. Really?

Not even pretending to remain objective anymore, are you, Commie Tommy?

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We all know you're all for full on Martial Law with a shoot first ask questions later policy.

You are a Communist.

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Do you realize you are following the well worn path of Communism hatred by the Republican Party? The 1964 Republican nominee for President, Barry Goldwater, promoted the idea of nuking Vietnam. He was that crazy and incompetent. One upping Goldwater for craziness, but a lot sneakier about his plans, Nixon showed what Goldwater would have done, but without the nukes. That didn't work out well for America, did it? Vietnam was America's biggest military fiasco, if you overlook the second Iraq War and the Afghanistan War, two wars motivated by GOP's irrational hatred and general stupidity at finishing complex tasks successfully.

The GOP is the party for Americans who have problems with controlling their anger and their impulses to destroy themselves with cigarettes, alcohol, obesity, money, lust, etc. Republicans are always getting themselves into trouble they can't understand how to get out of. Often it involves money and their job. Then they thrash around helplessly, futilely, and with no commonsense, trying to free themselves from their own bad decisions and mental problems.

6ix, you are as crazy as Goldwater, Nixon, Bush II, Trump and the typical Republicans voters I know. What a mess these people make out of their lives. So much pointless and daily drama.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater_1964_presidential_campai
gn#General_election

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Dude. Look at your posts everyday. You're gross.

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When humans stay home ... nature comes out

A civet in Kerala, India


Ducks in Paris


A peacock in Dubai


Lions on a golf course, South Africa
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A puma, in Santiago


The same puma

Wild turkeys in Oakland, CA





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6ix, why the hell did you think Trump was anything other than crazy? He has been acting this way for 40 years. It is unsurprising when you and other Republicans elevate to the White House an insane clown like him (or Nixon or Bush II) to be in charge of a complex task and the clowns fail, with everyone laughing who isn't killed by management's incompetence.

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IT'S POSITIVELY ALPINE!


The screenshots began to circulate on Delhi WhatsApp groups last week, captioned with varying expressions of disbelief. Having checked the air quality index, something of a sadistic morning ritual among residents of India’s capital, most could not believe their eyes.

Gone was the familiar menacing red banner, indicating how each intake of breath is really just a toxic blast on the lungs, replaced instead by a healthy, cheerful green. Could it really be that Delhi’s pollution levels now fell into the category of … “good”? “It’s positively alpine!” exclaimed one message.

A nationwide lockdown imposed across India on 24 March to stop the spread of the coronavirus – the largest lockdown of its kind attempted anywhere – has led to widespread chaos and suffering, especially among the country’s 300 million poor. Yet in Delhi, the world’s most polluted city, it has also resulted in some of the freshest air the capital has seen in decades.

It is a lockdown silver lining being repeated across the world, as toxic megacities such as Bangkok, Beijing, São Paulo and Bogotá, where varying coronavirus restrictions have been imposed, all reported an unprecedented decline in pollution. Yet it is countered with one cruel irony: with most residents of these cities strictly confined to their homes, few have any way to appreciate this newly fresh air, except through an open window or a during speedy trip to the supermarket.

In Delhi, air quality index (AQI) levels are usually a severe 200 on a good day (anything above 25 is deemed unsafe by World Health Organization). During peak pollution periods last year they soared well into a life-threatening 900 and sometimes off the measurable scale. But as Delhi’s 11m registered cars were taken off the roads and factories and construction were ground to a halt, AQI levels have regularly fallen below 20. The skies are suddenly a rare, piercing blue. Even the birdsong seems louder.

Dr Shashi Tharoor, a politician and author who has been vocal on environmental issues, said he hoped that it was a wake-up call. “The blissful sight of blue skies and the joy of breathing clean air provides just the contrast to illustrate what we are doing to ourselves the rest of the time,” said Tharoor. “Today the typical Delhi AQI hovers around 30 and one blissful afternoon, after a spurt of rain, it dropped to 7.”

“Seven,” Tharoor exclaimed again in disbelief. “In Delhi! Pure joy!”.

Tharoor’s sister Smita, who was visiting from the UK when the lockdown was imposed and found herself stuck in Delhi, was equally effusive. As someone with asthma, she said the city’s air, normally thick with pollution, was usually a health nightmare. But now: “The air is clear, the skies are blue. I see the evening stars with clarity and hear the chirruping of excited birds at this unexpected bonus they have received.”

While India’s powerful car lobby has long disputed that cars are a major cause of Delhi’s pollution, Sunita Narain, director of the Centre for Science and Environment, said the lockdown and resulting rapid drop in pollution showed once and for all just what a polluting role vehicles had in the city.

Narain also stressed that while she wished Delhi was like this “all the time”, adding: “I don’t want people to say ‘Oh, environmentalists are celebrating this lockdown:’ we are not. This is not the solution. But whatever the new normal is post-Covid-19, we have to make sure we take this breath of fresh air and think about the serious efforts we need to deal with pollution in Delhi.”

It is not just Delhi experiencing the clearest skies in years. As pollution dropped to its lowest level in three decades this week this week, residents of Jalandhar in Punjab woke up to an incredible sight in the distance: the Dhauladhar mountain range in Himachal Pradesh. The peaks, which are over 120 miles away, had not been sighted on the Punjab horizon for almost 30 y

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Quebec is calling for anyone with healthcare experience to come there. They need it. Almost a 1,000 cases since the Easter weekend. Ontario is holding off calling for help but they had a bad few days as well.

BC is still holding the line with the fewest cases over the Easter long weekend with 14. But most troubling for BC is a major outbreak in one of our Federal prisons in the Valley. 60 cases.

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NYC, NJ, and MI (probably Detroit) are getting slammed now, too. I wonder if this is post-Spring Break/ post Mardi Gras infection coming home and blooming.

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Heartland hotspots: A sudden rise in coronavirus cases is hitting rural states without stay-at-home orders

The test results came back on Easter Sunday. Tammy had been feeling "kind of crappy" when she went to her doctor in rural southeastern Oklahoma last week. A sign of possible pneumonia prompted her to get a coronavirus test later that day at the McCurtain County Health Department in Idabel.

When it came back positive, Tammy, who spoke on the condition that CNN not use her last name to protect her privacy, had already quarantined herself. Isolated, she decided to write her governor, Kevin Stitt, the first-term Republican and one of just 8 governors in the US to resist issuing a statewide stay-at-home-order. Tammy had voted for Stitt but she didn't agree with his decision.

Her message to him was simple: "Shut this mess down."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/heartland-hotspots-a-sudden-rise-in-
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Trump powerful. Very very strong and powerful. Sum very big wordz. Everybudy sez so. Nobudy saw this kuming. Shameful reporterz must bow to worship Trump. They no theyre fake newz. Foucci. Kloroquin. Nuthing to looz. Powerful steps taken by very very very strong Trump.

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"Trump bad. Orange man bad. Anonymous. Trump said bad. Trump did bad. Officials said. Bad bad bad. Trump Trump Trump. Bad = Trump = Orange. Racist"

~An excerpt from every Legacy Media article in the last 3 years.

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Hi JO! Happy to see you around! How 'ya doin'?

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BC has flattened the curve enough that Victoria is starting to talk about how to open the province again. They are looking at schools which will have class and times staggered but of course this will all happen with Dr. Bonnie Henry's approval.

Quebec's Premier has taken full responsibility and apologized for the mess his province is in with their long term care homes.

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Doing OK, 1KIKI. Staying isolated az much az practicle.

Like most peepl, spending a bunch uv time on the coronavirus newz.

There iz more disinfo than solid facts at this point.

The FPN (Fox Propaganda Network - the name I'm uzing for the entire rite wing media, including radio, print, web) iz pushing a narrativ that the flu iz worse than C-19. The primary factoid they base it on iz that 61,000 peepl hav died from the flu this seazon so far (a prezumtion that may or may not be true bekuz it will remain an estimate for yirz).

A few thingz to take note uv:

1. The flu seazon iz about 6 months so far, Oct 1 to March 28. This ranje iz wut you will find in articlez refered by ritewingerz.
2. There are vacseenz for the flu
3. The fatality rate iz well established at .1%
4.The flu haz 100% saturation in the human rase.

Compare the COVID-19 virus:

1. The 'seazon' beginning at the 1st confirmed case in the US wuz Jan 21st. Nearly 4 months after the start uv the flu seazon. The 1st deth wuz Feb 29th. We are now at 36,773 1 month & 18 daze later.
2. There are no vacseenz for it and no herd immunity. That meanz it can jump from person to person unimpeded.
3. The fatality rate iz about 3.4%. That meanz that if you get it, you are 34x more likely to kik the buket than if you got the flu insted.
4. The saturation iz about .05%.

So if you multiply the fatality number by 200 if it wuz at the same saturation level az the flu, its 7,354,600 ded Americanz so far and on its way to 11,900,000.

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3. The fatality rate iz about 3.4%. That meanz that if you get it, you are 34x more likely to kik the buket than if you got the flu insted.
4. The saturation iz about .05%.

So if you multiply the fatality number by 200 if it wuz at the same saturation level az the flu, its 7,354,600 ded Americanz so far and on its way to 11,900,000.

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Antibody tests are starting to become available that allow us to test an entire population and get a solid estimate of how many people have ever been infected. A team of researchers did this for Santa Clara County in California recently and came up with this: . . . we estimate that the seroprevalence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in Santa Clara County is between 2.49% and 4.16%.

The “official” number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the US is about 600,000. If we take a middle estimate of 3.3 percent from this study and extrapolate it to the entire country, the true number of cases is about 11 million.

But what’s the death toll? The official number right now is about 30,000, but let’s be conservative and assume the real number is twice as high. This gives us 60,000 deaths out of 11 million cases, for a true case fatality rate CFR of 0.5 percent. This is much lower than previous estimates from around the world.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/04/the-true-cfr-of-the-coronavirus
-may-be-0-5-or-less/

If you assume everybody in America will, eventually, be exposed that means a case fatality rate of 0.5% times 330 million population of US equals 1.65 million dead over a few years. But the true case fatality rate might NOT be 0.5%. Who knows what it truly is? Time will tell. Also, vaccines and antiviral drugs like remdesivir will change the numbers.

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Hey Jo

I'm glad you're OK!

As for the 'news' - ay yai yai ... how can you subject yourself to fox? That's pure torture.

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There are some VERY big assumptions in your quoted figures.

One is that all the fatalities have been counted as of now. Since COVID-19 kills by pneumonia ... by heart attack (heart attacks are occurring in SARS-COV-2 infected people at 5X normal rates, but aren't being counted), by kidney failure, by DIC, by cytokine storm ... and since many people are dying suddenly, at home, and not being counted ... AND since deaths are still catching up to infections ... it's guaranteed that the official case fatality rate will go up. And it's guaranteed that the real case fatality rate (as distinguished from the official one) is significantly under-counted. And probably by a factor of far greater than 2, given the prevalence of 'heart attack' deaths.

Another is that exposure = antibodies = immunity which has yet to be shown.

A related issue is the assumption that exposure = antibodies = immunity = vaccines. I remind you that it's been over 4 decades since the AIDS epidemic, and there is STILL no HIV vaccine, even though people develop antibodies to it. There is no automatic conclusion that a vaccine will be possible.

And even if an effective vaccine can be found, and manufactured, it'll be years to a mass market.

Another assumption is that remdesivir will be effective. The jury is still out even though it looks promising.

And finally, your assumption is that in our 'greatest' medical system on the planet, people will be able to afford whatever treatment might work. I can imagine the price being quite high when it comes out on the market. And Remdesivir or equivalent only works if you can get it, and get it early enough to make a difference. I'd bet you ain't seen insurance haggling like you will with an expensive new treatment.

Your post looks at the absolute best possible scenario. It doesn't cover the range of how badly things could go if these assumptions turn out to not be true.

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There are some VERY big assumptions in your quoted figures.

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There are some VERY big assumptions in any of the bullshit numbers you've been quoting as well.

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One is that all the fatalities have been counted as of now. Since COVID-19 kills by pneumonia ... by heart attack (heart attacks are occurring in SARS-COV-2 infected people at 5X normal rates, but aren't being counted), by kidney failure, by DIC, by cytokine storm ... and since many people are dying suddenly, at home, and not being counted ... AND since deaths are still catching up to infections ... it's guaranteed that the official case fatality rate will go up. And it's guaranteed that the real case fatality rate (as distinguished from the official one) is significantly under-counted. And probably by a factor of far greater than 2, given the prevalence of 'heart attack' deaths.

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Bullshit. You can't just throw a bunch of deaths that were going to happen from other reasons in there, you fucking fear monger. The number they quoted at 2x is conservative and easily covers it.

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Another is that exposure = antibodies = immunity which has yet to be shown.

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It certainly has not been proven otherwise either.

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A related issue is the assumption that exposure = antibodies = immunity = vaccines. I remind you that it's been over 4 decades since the AIDS epidemic, and there is STILL no HIV vaccine, even though people develop antibodies to it. There is no automatic conclusion that a vaccine will be possible.

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AIDS isn't real. Even if it was, it certainly wasn't an epidemic.

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Your post looks at the absolute best possible scenario. It doesn't cover the range of how badly things could go if these assumptions turn out to not be true.

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Says Karen, who has been posting that the sky is falling and attacking anybody who doesn't buy into her always-the-worst-case-scenario panic.

Fucking Russian agent. ;)

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And finally, your assumption is that in our 'greatest' medical system on the planet, people will be able to afford whatever treatment might work. I can imagine the price being quite high when it comes out on the market. And Remdesivir or equivalent only works if you can get it, and get it early enough to make a difference. I'd bet you ain't seen insurance haggling like you will with an expensive new treatment.

Your post looks at the absolute best possible scenario. It doesn't cover the range of how badly things could go if these assumptions turn out to not be true.

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The absolutely best possible scenario is a Senate with 33 or fewer Republicans, which would make possible Medicare-for-all and Remdesivir-for-all. I don't think that will ever happen unless GOP controlled states leave the Union; ending slavery wasn't possible until the Confederate States withdrew their Senators from Washington D.C.
www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/expulsion_cases/CivilWar_E
xpulsion.htm

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Here is a chart showing deaths per week for common causes including heart attack. I wish I could get the image to port over but it won't.

https://i.insider.com/5e98cd7173d0c818b1055a52?width=1300&format=j
peg&auto=webpformat=jpeg&auto=webp


Anyway, there is a MUCH more complete chart in the same format specifically comparing Covid-19 deaths per week to (for example) the 2017-2018 flu and 2017-2018 flu+pneumonia. I wish I could give you a link to the url just at that frame, or post a screenshot of this, but not possible from here. So if you land anywhere between 14:40 to 15:35 you'll see it.

SECOND: I don't bother to look at "cases" because the number is hostage to how much testing is being done, as I've pointed out ever since I started posting on this thing IN CHINA. So the "case fatality rate" is probably inaccurate, ESPECIALLY when the number of test kits is so limited and/or the testing criteria is so damn narrrow that you basically have to be in hopsital first. (Thank you CDC!)

KIKI has been posting (when numbers are being quoted) since forever that "A factor of X60 may apply" which was a pretty damn good guess, since the Santa Clara study estimates a factor of 50-80 undercount.

So neither you nor the Santa Clara study are telling us anything new. It's like the Spanish flu ... nobody knew the true infection rate so nobody knew the true "case fatality rate" .... but that didn't stop the bodies from piling up.

Which brings me to my point: it's harder to ignore deaths.

Let's do a little math here: If the true rate of infection is at about 1%, and we need to get to roughly 85% infection rate in order to get to "herd immunity" (assuming such a thing is actually develops and people become robustly immune for the long term, once recovered) how many deaths until herd immunity is reached?

Well... 85X the number of current deaths (plus we would have to project about two weeks into the future to capture the deaths of people who are currently infected but who haven't died yet).

So, assuming 1000 new deaths per day for two weeks (which is probably an underestimation) we get 14,000 deaths over the next two weeks
The CURRENT death toll is 38,200 for the USA.
So (38,200 + 14,000) X 85 = 4.44 MILLION deaths until herd immunity.

Well, if you don't like my forward projection of death from the current rate of infection, how about we just go with current deaths?
38,200 X 85 = 3.25 MILLION

Hmmm... better, but not great.
Math. It works.




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So, assuming 1000 new deaths per day for two weeks (which is probably an underestimation) we get 14,000 deaths over the next two weeks
The CURRENT death toll is 38,200 for the USA.
So (38,200 + 14,000) X 85 = 4.44 MILLION deaths until herd immunity.

Well, if you don't like my forward projection of death from the current rate of infection, how about we just go with current deaths?
38,200 X 85 = 3.25 MILLION

Hmmm... better, but not great.
Math. It works.

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Trump doesn't do math; he does feelings -- his feelings are hurt:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump tweeted this afternoon.
No matter what you do for the Do Nothing Democrats, no matter how GREAT a job you are doing, they will only respond to their Fake partners in the Lamestream Media in the negative, even in a time of crisis. I thought it would be different, but it’s not. In fact, it’s even worse. Example! V.P. Mike Pence held a conference call yesterday with all Democrat Senators. He gave them everything that they would have wanted to hear in terms of gaining ground on the CoronaVirus, but nothing that anyone could have said, including “it’s over”, could have made them happy, or even a little bit satisfied. They were RUDE and NASTY. This is their political playbook, and they will use it right up to the election on November 3rd. They will not change because they feel that this is the only way they can win. America will not be fooled!!!
12:20 PM · Apr 18, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251561224120254464


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SECOND- YOU don't do math. YOUR feelings are hurt. Stop pretending that you care about anything other than your own butt-hurt, willya?

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SECOND- YOU don't do math. YOUR feelings are hurt. Stop pretending that you care about anything other than your own butt-hurt, willya?

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Signym, the possible millions of Covid-19 deaths that you are predicting was brought to Trump's attention and he tweeted that it was "RUDE and NASTY" to bring that to his attention. Trump's feelings were very hurt.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump tweeted this afternoon:
No matter what you do for the Do Nothing Democrats, no matter how GREAT a job you are doing, they will only respond to their Fake partners in the Lamestream Media in the negative, even in a time of crisis. I thought it would be different, but it’s not. In fact, it’s even worse. Example! V.P. Mike Pence held a conference call yesterday with all Democrat Senators. He gave them everything that they would have wanted to hear in terms of gaining ground on the CoronaVirus, but nothing that anyone could have said, including “it’s over”, could have made them happy, or even a little bit satisfied. They were RUDE and NASTY. This is their political playbook, and they will use it right up to the election on November 3rd. They will not change because they feel that this is the only way they can win. America will not be fooled!!!
12:20 PM · Apr 18, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251561224120254464


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KIKI has been posting (when numbers are being quoted) since forever that "A factor of X60 may apply" which was a pretty damn good guess, since the Santa Clara study estimates a factor of 50-80 undercount.
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It was based on a UCLA study that looked at infection rate in China, and the number of infected that came here to the US before any airport screenings or travel restrictions were put in place; and an estimate of unimpeded, undetected community spread from them. They were pretty spot-on.

ETA: I did post the link, but it would be a chore digging it out from wherever I put it.

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I think that people should be waking up to the fact that WE DON'T MANUFACTURE ANYTHING HERE ANYMORE.

Been running into a lot of unavailable items lately, not because people are hoarding or panic-buying but because "supply chain disrupted"

So, starting with the most urgent and obvious and including some unonbvious items:

N95 masks. Made in China.
Toilet paper: Made in China
Bolts: Made in China
Brackets: Made in China
Spray bottles: Made in China
Fine chemicals; Made in China
Pharma raw materials: Made in China*

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Avigan ingredient shortage hits Japan stockpile plan
Lack of element from China spurs to push to find domestic suppliers

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https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Avigan-ingredient-shorta
ge-hits-Japan-stockpile-plan?utm_campaign=RN%20Subscriber%20newsletter&utm_medium=one%20time%20newsletter&utm_source=NAR%20Newsletter&utm_content=article%20link&del_type=3&pub_date=20200418150000&seq_num=2&si=%%user_id%%

See how this goes?

Chips: Made in China
Fabric: Made in China
Agricultural chemicals: Made in China
Industrial chemicals: Made in China.

However did we get the idea that it was a reasonable thing to let somebody else do almost all of our manufacturing for us???






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Hi JO!
Glad to see you posting!
Don't be a stranger, post more often, and
Stay safe.

I hope you put in for unemployment when SIX urged you to. The claims are going to be a few hundred miles long by now :eyesroll: and processing is going to take a long time!

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KIKI has been posting (when numbers are being quoted) since forever that "A factor of X60 may apply" which was a pretty damn good guess, since the Santa Clara study estimates a factor of 50-80 undercount.
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It was based on a UCLA study that looked at infection rate in China, and the number of infected that came here to the US before any airport screenings or travel restrictions were put in place; and an estimate of unimpeded, undetected community spread from them. They were pretty spot-on.

ETA: I did post the link, but it would be a chore digging it out from wherever I put it.

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Thursday, March 12, 2020 5:43 PM
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&p=13
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/study-estimates-covid-19-may-hav
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http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&p=27
Eh - it wasn't UCLA that came up with the X60 factor, it was Cedars Sinai plus me. They came up with a projected number of cases, I calculated the X60 factor from that and the confirmed number of cases at the time.

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Immunity will become a societal advantage.

Imagine an America divided into two classes: Those who have recovered from infection with the coronavirus and presumably have some immunity to it; and those who are still vulnerable.

“It will be a frightening schism,” Dr. David Nabarro, a World Health Organization special envoy on COVID-19, predicted. “Those with antibodies will be able to travel and work, and the rest will be discriminated against.”

Already, people with presumed immunity are very much in demand, asked to donate their blood for antibodies and doing risky medical jobs fearlessly.

Soon the government will have to invent a way to certify who is truly immune. A test for IgG antibodies, which are produced once immunity is established, would make sense, said Dr. Daniel R. Lucey, an expert on pandemics at Georgetown Law School. Many companies are working on them.

As Americans stuck in lockdown see their immune neighbors resuming their lives and perhaps even taking the jobs they lost, it is not hard to imagine the enormous temptation to join them through self-infection, experts predicted. Younger citizens in particular will calculate that risking a serious illness may still be better than impoverishment and isolation.

“My daughter, who is a Harvard economist, keeps telling me her age group needs to have COVID-19 parties to develop immunity and keep the economy going,” said Dr. Michele Barry, who directs the Center for Innovation in Global Health at Stanford University.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20200419111905/https://www.houstonchronicl
e.com/news/article/The-Coronavirus-in-America-The-Year-Ahead-15210393.php

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Hi Siggy. Hi everybody.

I'v been doing alot uv fone yammering lately. Peepl are getting bored and lonely, so pik up the fone.

Also hav been developing a UV jerm killer mask.

Getting alot uv free money! I feel gilty, but know it duznt make sens to. The most prominent feature uv this poor excuse for a sivilization iz that sum peepl get OODLEZ uv free money all the time, so now alot uv workerz are going to get sum for a wile.

A possibl upside to the C-19 pandemic iz that it coud break 'the rich get everything' system wich haz been hobbling the planet for senturyz.

It iz a frajile system, so just 1 pandemic iz making it fall apart. All it coud take iz a 2nd new pandemic, a relatively small asteroid, or a major earth quake and we woud be on our way bak to the stone aje.

The projectionz that the infection rate iz ~60X hire redoos the number uv fatalityz I came up with befor. But, az a comparison to the flu, its probably still valid. How many peepl get the flu but never report it due to mild or no symptomz?

The FPN yammmererz, such az Shapiro, Crowder, Klaven etc. are ignoring that.

6string, wuzzup with the vitriol?

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Sigs and Karen have been piling on me ever since I told Karen that AIDS isn't real. Karen loves posting a bunch of fake numbers and passing them off as fact. She's gross.


Sounds like you finally got the unemployment. Good for you.

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Piers Morgan has been a strong and steady voice of support for Donald Trump since he took office, but the president’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic has certainly changed that.

Here’s what he had to say on CNN on Sunday:

‘All that is required from the president in those moments, and any world leader, frankly, they have to be calm, show authority, they have to be honest, they have to be accurate, entirely factual with what they’re telling the people and they have to have an ability to show empathy... On almost every level of that, Donald Trump at the moment is failing the American people.’

Morgan, who once won Trump’s television show “Celebrity Apprentice” and has been praised several times on the president’s Twitter feed over the years, went on CNN’s “Reliable Sources” segment just days after he criticized “King Trump” in a column.

Morgan said that he still considers Trump a friend but that he could no longer hold his tongue amid the “mounting horror” that are the daily White House briefings.

“He’s turning these briefings into a self-aggrandizing, self-justifying, overly defensive, politically partisan — almost like a rally to him,” Morgan said. “Trump’s ratings are falling, and the reason for that is — he needs to understand this — they’re falling because people don’t trust him.”

More at www.marketwatch.com/story/the-president-is-failing-the-american-people
-as-a-war-time-leader-longtime-trump-backer-piers-morgan-says-2020-04-19

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Meanwhile, in reality...

Trump's ratings aren't falling at all.

They're down a bit from the absolute peak he had several weeks ago when polling was conducted, but the latest results that are posted now were done amid millions of Americans not being able to even log into their state's unemployment website, and the stimulus checks had yet to go out. And those numbers are still around his all-time high before the recent peak.

Trump is doing fine. At least his numbers are anyhow.

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Hello JO753...

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Meanwhile, in reality...

Trump's ratings aren't falling at all.

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Meanwhile in Real reality, rather than inside your head, Trump's approval rating is down significantly from 49% in March, while his disapproval rating is up 9 points from 45%. Even in Trump's favorite poll, Rasmussen has found Trump getting buried for his horrendous response to COVID-19.
https://crooksandliars.com/2020/04/trumps-approval-ratings-plummet-new
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