Some Covid-19 thoughts

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BRENDA

Monday, April 20, 2020 10:02 AM (P)

Navajo nation now dealing with an outbreak of Covid-19.

1KIKI

Monday, April 20, 2020 10:06 AM (P)

Oh that's too bad. I hope the Navajos fare well through this.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 20, 2020 11:01 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Meanwhile, in reality...

Trump's ratings aren't falling at all.
Meanwhile in Real reality, rather than inside your head, Trump's approval rating is down significantly from 49% in March, while his disapproval rating is up 9 points from 45%. Even in Trump's favorite poll, Rasmussen has found Trump getting buried for his horrendous response to COVID-19.
https://crooksandliars.com/2020/04/trumps-approval-ratings-plummet-new
-gallop

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Trump's approval rating was never 49%.

You would NEVER go by a single poll that showed Trump having a his highest rating ever before, so why would you do so now?

Don't bother answering that. We already know the answer.

His highest ratings in the RCP aggregate ever were just north of 47% approval. It currently sits at 46% which, as I stated before, is as high as it ever has been outside of that recent jump to over 47%.

Take a look at the graph here:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_app
roval-6179.html

Remember when he was at 41% during the sham impeachment?

Or maybe when he was at 37% in December of 2017?

I bet you miss those days, huh?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

BRENDA

Monday, April 20, 2020 12:58 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Oh that's too bad. I hope the Navajos fare well through this.

They have over 1,000 cases that covers all their reserves between New Mexico and Arizona.

So far only 6 on the Wind River Reservation. That reserve is split between mine Shoshone and the Arapaho. From what I read it seems the cases are on the Shoshone side of the reserve.

SECOND

Monday, April 20, 2020 7:04 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Trump's approval rating was never 49%.

You would NEVER go by a single poll that showed Trump having a his highest rating ever before, so why would you do so now?

Don't bother answering that. We already know the answer.

His highest ratings in the RCP aggregate ever were just north of 47% approval. It currently sits at 46% which, as I stated before, is as high as it ever has been outside of that recent jump to over 47%.

Take a look at the graph here:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_app
roval-6179.html

Remember when he was at 41% during the sham impeachment?

Or maybe when he was at 37% in December of 2017?

I bet you miss those days, huh?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

In Africa, they are wondering what game is Trump playing. If Africans can see that something very peculiar, confusing and strange is going on inside Trump's head, why don't Republicans see it?

http://watchingamerica.com/WA/2020/04/16/the-presidents-mistakes-trump
-and-the-coronavirus/

Although the coronavirus pandemic is sweeping across different countries throughout the world, the peculiarity of the American case is that it emerges from the paradox of significantly downplaying the seriousness of the virus at the presidential level, while the United States simultaneously occupies the top spot in the level of virus transmission globally. The first confirmed case of the coronavirus in the United States was recorded on Jan. 21, 2020, and by March 13, 2020, the number of cases had reached 1,663 across 46 U.S. states. However, even up to that point in time, President Donald Trump continued to downplay the impact of the virus in both his statements and on Twitter.

Therefore, it isn't surprising that at the start of the crisis, President Trump was accused of minimizing how serious the situation was by emphasizing that localized spread of the virus was not unavoidable. Actually, these statements were incorrect, with the number of infected people reaching catastrophic levels, such that today there are more than 300,000 cases representing a quarter of the global infection rate. Remarkably, criticism of Trump came from such sober magazines as Foreign Affairs, which expressed the view that Washington, and in particular the White House represented by President Trump, mishandled the spread of the virus in such a way that it laid bare a state of confusion, showing what the magazine described as the United States’ inability to lead the global system.

Strangely, Trump has never listened to the voice of the U.S. media, and instead started out by describing them as stupid and dull. Rather than listening, Trump followed his usual approach of sparring with journalists, as he did when a CNN correspondent attending a news conference referred to Trump’s previous statements that the virus was, to a large degree, under control, and that it would disappear. Because this was not the case, the president’s negligence seemed to be clearly apparent and recognizable across the United States. When asked about his administration’s method for dealing with the virus, Trump first asserted that he did not bear any responsibility, while on a second occasion, he indicated that nobody was aware there would be a pandemic of this size.

More at http://watchingamerica.com/WA/2020/04/16/the-presidents-mistakes-trump
-and-the-coronavirus/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 20, 2020 7:56 PM (P)

You're going off topic again, Second. So I'll repost our conversation and you can pick it up where we left off.

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Meanwhile, in reality...

Trump's ratings aren't falling at all.
Meanwhile in Real reality, rather than inside your head, Trump's approval rating is down significantly from 49% in March, while his disapproval rating is up 9 points from 45%. Even in Trump's favorite poll, Rasmussen has found Trump getting buried for his horrendous response to COVID-19.
https://crooksandliars.com/2020/04/trumps-approval-ratings-plummet-new
-gallop

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Trump's approval rating was never 49%.

You would NEVER go by a single poll that showed Trump having a his highest rating ever before, so why would you do so now?

Don't bother answering that. We already know the answer.

His highest ratings in the RCP aggregate ever were just north of 47% approval. It currently sits at 46% which, as I stated before, is as high as it ever has been outside of that recent jump to over 47%.

Take a look at the graph here:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_app
roval-6179.html

Remember when he was at 41% during the sham impeachment?

Or maybe when he was at 37% in December of 2017?

I bet you miss those days, huh?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Monday, April 20, 2020 8:13 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're going off topic again, Second. So I'll repost our conversation and you can pick it up where we left off.

6ix, let's get to the point: you want Trump reelected but you don't want to talk about Trump being an incompetent/insane/incoherent bungler. Instead, you bring up poll numbers favorable to bunglers. Competent people know Trump is not right in the head. Incompetent people want to vote for him again. It all boils down to how many of those incompetent people will vote in November. The polls can only indicate what percent of Americans are incompetent. Personally, I'm not voting for Trump, but if he wins I get another round of prize money because Trump and the GOP Senators are very generous to people like me, but not nearly as much to 6ix.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Tuesday, April 21, 2020 6:02 AM (P)

The current pandemic has affected some countries more than others, partly because they have been slow to react to the crisis.

People are susceptible to a mistake dubbed “outcome bias”.

“A very obvious example is if you have two airplanes that nearly collide, but don’t,” says Robin Dillon-Merrill at Georgetown University in Washington DC. She says one possible response is, “Wow, that was really close, next time that could have happened” – which might prompt changes to current practice. However, often people do not respond like that. Instead they say, “Wow, I’m a fabulous pilot and my flight skills avoided that entirely”. This is outcome bias: the fact things turned out OK can cause us to underestimate how close they came to going badly wrong.

The Covid-19 epidemic is a clear instance of governments and organisations not having learned from near misses. In the past 20 years there have been two outbreaks of diseases caused by coronaviruses, the group to which the new virus belongs. The Sars outbreak of 2003 and 2004 killed at least 774 people before it was contained, while the ongoing Mers outbreak which began in 2012 has killed 858. Covid-19 has already far surpassed both, at more than 76,500 deaths at the time of writing.

“I don’t think that we’re experiencing anything like a near-miss at the moment, unfortunately,” says Dillon-Merrill. “This is not a near-miss, this is an absolute hit.”

More at www.bbc.com/future/article/20200409-why-we-find-it-difficult-to-recogn
ise-a-crisis

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:13 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're going off topic again, Second. So I'll repost our conversation and you can pick it up where we left off.
6ix, let's get to the point:

Yes. Let's get to the point:

1. YOU brought up bullshit poll numbers.

2. I thoroughly debunked them.

3. You go off on a completely unrelated tangent like you always do when you're always proven wrong about every thought that pops up into that tiny little brain of yours.

4. I brought the conversation back to YOUR original topic on your bad poll analysis.

5. You devolve once again, as you always do, into telling us about how great you are and how much money you have. (Neither thing, any of us actually believe, BTW...)

6. Now I'm bringing the conversation back to your bogus poll analysis.

Care to try to defend yourself against the ass kicking I gave you by staying on topic this time? Or do you admit that you're wrong and that's why you can never, ever stay on topic?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:10 AM (P)

Covid-19 highlights the conservative reliance on fake experts.

We know that Trump’s call for an early end to the economic lockdown was inspired in part by the writings of Richard Epstein, a conservative legal scholar who decided that he understands epidemiology better than the epidemiologists and confidently predicted that Covid-19 would kill no more than 500 people. (It’s currently killing four times that many every day.)

Fox News responded to the unwillingness of Dr. Anthony Fauci to support an early reopening of the economy. To provide an alternative view, the network turned to Dr. Phil, whose expertise, if he has one, is in pop psychology.

Now, much of this is familiar to anyone who has followed the debate over climate change. Faced with the overwhelming scientific consensus that man-made climate change is real and frightening, the right has long promoted the contrarian views of a handful of quacks — some with actual scientific credentials, but generally in fields other than climate science. And there’s a strong overlap between organizations that promote climate denial and those that promoted virus denial.

The modern right is driven in large part by Fox-fueled hostility to “elites” who claim to know more than guys in diners — which, on technical subjects like epidemiology, they do.

Finally, there has historically been a strong association between right-wing extremism and grifting, including snake-oil and get-rich-quick schemes. Alex Jones may attract an audience by peddling conspiracy theories, but he makes money by selling nutritional supplements, which he is now claiming offer protection against the coronavirus.

All of these factors making modern conservatism a happy hunting ground for fake experts have reached a kind of apotheosis under Donald Trump, a grifter president whose whole political strategy is based on catering to white male grievance, and who both disdains expertise and always values loyalty above competence. And one result is the wildly premature push to reopen the economy.

www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-conservatives.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:22 AM (P)

Yup. That's what I thought.

Thanks for playing.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:38 AM (P)

lol

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 21, 2020 10:14 AM (P)

And so the civil disobedience begins...

Keep everything shut down much longer, and we're going to have some real entertaining things to start talking about.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Tuesday, April 21, 2020 10:33 AM (P)

I personally prefer that states open up at will, as long as they don't get medical federal aid later. Because once you've made the choice I think you have to live with the consequences. Even if, yanno, too many people start croaking and everyone gets unhappy.

That seems reasonable.

In fact, this is the THIRD time I've posted this in response to your pretense to be able to read my mind and post your bullshit about what I must 'really' want on the board.

But you're apparently too chickenshit to either acknowledge what I post or respond.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 21, 2020 5:24 PM (P)

Not everything is about or directed at you, Karen.

Glad to have you on board.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Tuesday, April 21, 2020 5:43 PM (P)

And it only took 3X for you to get the message.

But I think it should only happen as long as states don't then go running to Daddy Trump if they found out they messed up. They need to take it on the chin.

BTW, being in a rural area only helps if most people are pretty isolated, like out on ranches or large farms. Small towns are just like cities in terms of rubbing elbows with people. They're just smaller. So once SARS-COV-2 gets introduced in a village, it'll be everywhere in that village. I can't help but cynically laugh at the nirvana they're going to find themselves in.

Well, if Trump's willing to roll the dice on that tactic, it'll be interesting to see how that plays out if it goes south.

SECOND

Tuesday, April 21, 2020 6:46 PM (P)

The Price of Oil Didn’t Fall to -$30 Yesterday

Everyone knows that the price of oil didn’t really fall to negative $30 yesterday, right?

All that happened was that the price of one particular futures contract fell below zero. This contract comes due on Tuesday and requires the buyer to take physical possession of the oil. Unfortunately, thanks to the COVID-19 oil glut, there’s little storage available and its price has skyrocketed. Under these extreme conditions, taking delivery of the oil and buying storage for it would be a guaranteed huge loss. This caused many investors and speculators to panic and dump their contracts at any price—even if they had to pay someone to take it off their hands.

Anyway, that’s it. The price of one particular futures contract, late in the day, was a victim of panic selling. The price of oil in general was largely unaffected. It’s still dropping, mind you, but not in any kind of dramatic way.

https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/45

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Tuesday, April 21, 2020 9:09 PM (P)

Right now the main obstacle to vanquishing coronavirus to the point where we can reopen the economy is the lack of a robust federal testing regime. Indeed, Harvard University researchers calculate that we cannot reopen safely until the current levels of testing have tripled.

It’s telling that only hours before announcing the new ban, Trump basically dismissed criticism of his failure to stand up a federal testing regime as a hoax. At Monday evening’s briefing, he mocked critics who, he said, thought they could “get him on testing,” claiming this was mostly “partisan.”

In reality, multiple Republicans have decried this failure. When GOP governor Larry Hogan of Maryland was recently asked about Trump’s claim that testing issues have been solved, he replied, “That’s just not true,” adding: “No state has enough testing.” That includes red states.

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/21/trumps-new-immigration-ban-
is-scam-dont-pretend-otherwise/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 21, 2020 9:55 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
And it only took 3X for you to get the message.

But I think it should only happen as long as states don't then go running to Daddy Trump if they found out they messed up. They need to take it on the chin.

It was sarcasm on my point, because it's disingenuous on your point. You're not at all on board, and you're proposing something that would never happen. You're using anti-smoker tactics, and since this isn't an anti-smoking campaign you know full well that they won't fly here. It's easy to say fuck you to a smoker because they're doing the damage to themselves. What you're suggesting is that everybody who has second hand smoke also be punished if things work out the way that you expect them to.

Quote:
BTW, being in a rural area only helps if most people are pretty isolated, like out on ranches or large farms. Small towns are just like cities in terms of rubbing elbows with people. They're just smaller. So once SARS-COV-2 gets introduced in a village, it'll be everywhere in that village. I can't help but cynically laugh at the nirvana they're going to find themselves in.

You keep talking about The Coomph to me as if I believe it's even 1/8th as dangerous as you think it is. I do not.

Quote:
Well, if Trump's willing to roll the dice on that tactic, it'll be interesting to see how that plays out if it goes south.

It's not up to Trump.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 21, 2020 9:58 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The Price of Oil Didn’t Fall to -$30 Yesterday

Everyone knows that the price of oil didn’t really fall to negative $30 yesterday, right?

All that happened was that the price of one particular futures contract fell below zero. This contract comes due on Tuesday and requires the buyer to take physical possession of the oil. Unfortunately, thanks to the COVID-19 oil glut, there’s little storage available and its price has skyrocketed. Under these extreme conditions, taking delivery of the oil and buying storage for it would be a guaranteed huge loss. This caused many investors and speculators to panic and dump their contracts at any price—even if they had to pay someone to take it off their hands.

Anyway, that’s it. The price of one particular futures contract, late in the day, was a victim of panic selling. The price of oil in general was largely unaffected. It’s still dropping, mind you, but not in any kind of dramatic way.

https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/45

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Yup. Other countries can weather the low prices a lot better than we can.

Just another huge example of how the current shut down is fucking our economy hard in all of its many, many holes.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Tuesday, April 21, 2020 10:38 PM (P)

Quote:
JACK:
It was sarcasm on my point, because it's disingenuous on your point. You're not at all on board, and you're proposing something that would never happen. You're using anti-smoker tactics, and since this isn't an anti-smoking campaign you know full well that they won't fly here. It's easy to say fuck you to a smoker because they're doing the damage to themselves. What you're suggesting is that everybody who has second hand smoke also be punished if things work out the way that you expect them to.

It's impossible to discuss anything with you because you insist on not reading words that are there, and reading words that aren't there.

So much for your post.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 21, 2020 10:52 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:
JACK:
It was sarcasm on my point, because it's disingenuous on your point. You're not at all on board, and you're proposing something that would never happen. You're using anti-smoker tactics, and since this isn't an anti-smoking campaign you know full well that they won't fly here. It's easy to say fuck you to a smoker because they're doing the damage to themselves. What you're suggesting is that everybody who has second hand smoke also be punished if things work out the way that you expect them to.
It's impossible to discuss anything with you because you insist on not reading words that are there, and reading words that aren't there.

So much for your post.

Your "agreement" with me is based off of erroneous assumptions, which I pointed out in my post.

First off, it's not Trump's decision if statewide bans are lifted, like you just said that it was. He can choose to de-escalate the nationwide state of emergency, but he has no jurisdiction over how the states respond to that.

Second, I didn't read words that aren't there. You propose that the 315 Million+ Americans in states that have lockdowns currently relinquish any and all ability to get any relief if things go south if lockdowns are ended.

This choice will ultimately be made by a handful of top-state-level officials and will be made for millions. In this case, the officials who make that choice are the smokers, and the millions of people living in the states are the ones who happen to be the 2nd-hand smokers.

I happen to agree somewhat with what you're saying, but... and this is a BIG but, any states that re-open should not have to pay for the Democrat shitholes that remain closed off and were already leaching tax dollars at 10 times the rate of everybody else before the virus either.

We both know neither of these things are going to happen. All we do know is that keeping things closed off is fucking the future of the country and changing people and their behaviors on a basic, fundamental level.

Seriously though. At the end of the day I think it's time that California and New York parted ways and became their own countries. The rest of the 48 of us won't miss them at all.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Tuesday, April 21, 2020 11:04 PM (P)

Quote:
As the continued begging the federal government for more tests, Cuomo explained that one reason for the shortage was the lack of chemical reagents from overseas.

I can believe that* but ... what are the OTHER reasons?

*I'm going to bring up my relevant job experience... again. When I was supervising a section that (among other things) analyzed paints, coatings, lubricants and household cleaners, we would -of course- have to procure standards of the various specialty chemicals that went into each product, and in the past ten years nearly every chemical that we ordered came from China. Once in a while from Germany, almost never from the USA. That kind of invisible hollowing out has been going on for well over two decades, and does not put the USA in a good position during times of emergency.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

SECOND

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 12:56 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
As the continued begging the federal government for more tests, Cuomo explained that one reason for the shortage was the lack of chemical reagents from overseas.
I can believe that* but ... what are the OTHER reasons?

*I'm going to bring up my relevant job experience... again. When I was supervising a section that (among other things) analyzed paints, coatings, lubricants and household cleaners, we would -of course- have to procure standards of the various specialty chemicals that went into each product, and in the past ten years nearly every chemical that we ordered came from China. Once in a while from Germany, almost never from the USA. That kind of invisible hollowing out has been going on for well over two decades, and does not put the USA in a good position during times of emergency.

This article says it has been going on for 30 years. I'll say that it is exactly what will happen in a "free market" where buyers, sellers, manufacturers, consumers make decisions 100% based on price and 0% on who made it and where made.

To Understand the Medical Supply Shortage, It Helps to Know How the U.S. Lost the Lithium Ion Battery to China
www.propublica.org/article/to-understand-the-medical-supply-shortage-i
t-helps-to-know-how-the-us-lost-the-lithium-ion-battery-to-china
"The failed U.S. effort to dominate global production of the lithium ion battery — which is key to energy independence, automobile innovation and more — holds lessons for leaders grappling with the U.S.’s reliance on China for emergency medical supplies."

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 1:04 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The Price of Oil Didn’t Fall to -$30 Yesterday

Everyone knows that the price of oil didn’t really fall to negative $30 yesterday, right?

All that happened was that the price of one particular futures contract fell below zero. This contract comes due on Tuesday and requires the buyer to take physical possession of the oil. Unfortunately, thanks to the COVID-19 oil glut, there’s little storage available and its price has skyrocketed. Under these extreme conditions, taking delivery of the oil and buying storage for it would be a guaranteed huge loss. This caused many investors and speculators to panic and dump their contracts at any price—even if they had to pay someone to take it off their hands.

Anyway, that’s it. The price of one particular futures contract, late in the day, was a victim of panic selling. The price of oil in general was largely unaffected. It’s still dropping, mind you, but not in any kind of dramatic way.

https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/45

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Yup. Other countries can weather the low prices a lot better than we can.

Just another huge example of how the current shut down is fucking our economy hard in all of its many, many holes.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You can actually trace this problem to a few hundred rich, greedy and overly optimistic Texas oilmen who won't cut back production. Each of these guys thinks somebody else should cut back, not themselves. The result is nobody cuts back production enough. Only bankruptcy will stop the stupidest of these guys from over producing oil.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 1:35 AM (P)

You can actually trace this back to the rich, greedy, overly optimistic BANKERS that lent these rich, greedy, overly optimistic oilmen everywhere ... not just Texas but Oklahoma, S Dakota, Pennsylvania etc ... tons of money to "invest" in a production technology that would only ever make sense at $60+/bbl. And then there are the rich, greedy, overly optimistic hedge funds that play games with oil futures.

And because the rich, greedy, overly optimistic BANKERS have so much money sunk into these ... literally... money pits, they can't possibly let them fail because then the banks themselves would go bankrupt, along with the hedge funds that are based on oil.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

SIGNYM

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 3:53 AM (P)

AG Barr has said that the DOJ might prosecute states that don't open up their economies.

That doesn't even make sense from a political POV since Trump would be blamed for any resulting shit show.

If I were Trump, I would let states reopen based on what their governors and state legislatures decided, and I would continue to provide the help that the federal government is supposed to be providing, but only if

States mandate wearing masks in public and

Free Osat tests are provided at any pharmacy, urgent care or doctors office

The state report ALL of its deaths and cases to the CDC using presumed as well as confirmed criteria

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

SECOND

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 6:56 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You can actually trace this back to the rich, greedy, overly optimistic BANKERS that lent these rich, greedy, overly optimistic oilmen everywhere ... not just Texas but Oklahoma, S Dakota, Pennsylvania etc ... tons of money to "invest" in a production technology that would only ever make sense at $60+/bbl. And then there are the rich, greedy, overly optimistic hedge funds that play games with oil futures.

And because the rich, greedy, overly optimistic BANKERS have so much money sunk into these ... literally... money pits, they can't possibly let them fail because then the banks themselves would go bankrupt, along with the hedge funds that are based on oil.

When you make all these connections to so many different people in far flung places, then nobody is at fault, other than the "system," but there really are particular people behind the low prices, people who are too stupid and won't stop pumping because they are certain somebody else will stop first.

The Texas Railroad Commission was talking about limiting oil production, but two out of three commissioners want to let the "free market" decide. The "free market" is a few hundred oil men, some not very smart, panicking and running in circles, screaming and shouting. It is unsurprising when it goes horribly wrong. That is why there is a Texas Railroad Commission to bring some sanity to the "free market". But sometimes the elected commissioners decide to not decide:

Railroad Commission delays vote on state-mandated oil production cuts
Sergio Chapa Updated: April 21, 2020 3:18 p.m.

The Railroad Commission of Texas, the state agency that regulates the oil and gas industry, postponed a vote on a proposal to institute state-mandated oil production cuts until next month.

The three-member commission delayed action until its May 5 meeting after debating the issue for 30 minutes during a Tuesday morning hearing.

The proposal, pushed by Irving-based oil company Pioneer Natural Resources and Austin oil company Parsley Energy, has been floating around since the end of March. Executives with the companies want the panel to require drillers in the state to cut production in an effort to help boost oil prices, which are in the midst of a historic crash. The Railroad Commission hasn't enforced such a requirement since the early 1970s.

Parsley CEO Matt Gallagher said he was disappointed by the inaction but praised the commissioners for scheduling a vote next month.

"It is clear we are not in normal market conditions and we need a symphony of solutions to bring stability back to our industry," he said.

www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Railroad-Commission-t
ables-vote-on-state-mandated-15215361.php

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 7:05 AM (P)

Public authorities and health care systems were almost everywhere caught short-handed. Forty years of neoliberalism across North and South America and Europe had left the public totally exposed and ill-prepared to face a public health crisis of this sort, even though previous scares of SARS and Ebola provided abundant warnings as well as cogent lessons as to what would be needed to be done. In many parts of the supposed “civilised” world, local governments and regional/state authorities, which invariably form the front line of defence in public health and safety emergencies of this kind, had been starved of funding thanks to a policy of austerity designed to fund tax cuts and subsidies to the corporations and the rich. Corporatist Big Pharma has little or no interest in non-remunerative research on infectious diseases (such as the whole class of coronaviruses that have been well-known since the 1960s). Big Pharma rarely invests in prevention. It has little interest in investing in preparedness for a public health crisis. It loves to design cures. The sicker we are the more they earn. Prevention does not contribute to share-holder value. The business model applied to public health provision eliminated the surplus coping capacities that would be required in an emergency.

More at "Anti-Capitalist Politics in an Age of Covid-19"
https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/03/david-harvey-anti-capitalist-politics
-in-an-age-of-covid-19

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 7:57 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
AG Barr has said that the DOJ might prosecute states that don't open up their economies.

That doesn't even make sense from a political POV since Trump would be blamed for any resulting shit show.

If I were Trump, I would let states reopen based on what their governors and state legislatures decided, and I would continue to provide the help that the federal government is supposed to be providing, but only if

States mandate wearing masks in public and

Free Osat tests are provided at any pharmacy, urgent care or doctors office

The state report ALL of its deaths and cases to the CDC using presumed as well as confirmed criteria

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

Good thing you don't make decisions.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JO753

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 8:35 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Hello JO753...

Howdy, THG.

Are you feeling that? Its like a shifting uv the firmament. An Earth quake without the shake.

My bro sent me a link to this video. Never herd it befor:

----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

SIGNYM

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 9:12 AM (P)

Quote:
SIGNY:You can actually trace this back to the rich, greedy, overly optimistic BANKERS that lent these rich, greedy, overly optimistic oilmen everywhere ... not just Texas but Oklahoma, S Dakota, Pennsylvania etc ... tons of money to "invest" in a production technology that would only ever make sense at $60+/bbl. And then there are the rich, greedy, overly optimistic hedge funds that play games with oil futures.

And because the rich, greedy, overly optimistic BANKERS have so much money sunk into these ... literally... money pits, they can't possibly let them fail because then the banks themselves would go bankrupt, along with the hedge funds that are based on oil.

SECOND: When you make all these connections to so many different people in far flung places, then nobody is at fault, other than the "system,"

DING! DING! DING! Give that man a cigar!

The system rewards bad behavior. When you have a system that rewards bad behavior (and punishes good) then bad behavior will result.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

SECOND

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:48 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
SIGNY:You can actually trace this back to the rich, greedy, overly optimistic BANKERS that lent these rich, greedy, overly optimistic oilmen everywhere ... not just Texas but Oklahoma, S Dakota, Pennsylvania etc ... tons of money to "invest" in a production technology that would only ever make sense at $60+/bbl. And then there are the rich, greedy, overly optimistic hedge funds that play games with oil futures.

And because the rich, greedy, overly optimistic BANKERS have so much money sunk into these ... literally... money pits, they can't possibly let them fail because then the banks themselves would go bankrupt, along with the hedge funds that are based on oil.

SECOND: When you make all these connections to so many different people in far flung places, then nobody is at fault, other than the "system,"
DING! DING! DING! Give that man a cigar!

The system rewards bad behavior. When you have a system that rewards bad behavior (and punishes good) then bad behavior will result.

The neighbor's kid was rewarded by the system when he stole a car: he received free transportation until the car ran out of gas. That was followed by free arrest followed by free prison for a year in Houston. When the kid stole another car, this time in Galveston, same thing happened in a very systematic manner. The kid just got out of jail after 12 months. If the kid hadn't gone to jail, he could have stolen 2,000 cars rather than 2. Let's extend the story to the whole world. I would say that the government, because voters are far too respectful of Capitalism, doesn't punish Capitalists often enough to make them behave and stop their annoying conduct, which is far worse than driving stolen cars until they run out of gas.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:51 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
SIGNY:You can actually trace this back to the rich, greedy, overly optimistic BANKERS that lent these rich, greedy, overly optimistic oilmen everywhere ... not just Texas but Oklahoma, S Dakota, Pennsylvania etc ... tons of money to "invest" in a production technology that would only ever make sense at $60+/bbl. And then there are the rich, greedy, overly optimistic hedge funds that play games with oil futures.

And because the rich, greedy, overly optimistic BANKERS have so much money sunk into these ... literally... money pits, they can't possibly let them fail because then the banks themselves would go bankrupt, along with the hedge funds that are based on oil.

SECOND: When you make all these connections to so many different people in far flung places, then nobody is at fault, other than the "system,"
DING! DING! DING! Give that man a cigar!

The system rewards bad behavior. When you have a system that rewards bad behavior (and punishes good) then bad behavior will result.
The neighbor's kid was rewarded by the system when he stole a car: he received free transportation until the car ran out of gas. That was followed by free arrest followed by free prison for a year in Houston.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:57 AM (P)

Maybe the kid should have sold the cars rather than drove them? Maybe then he would have been respected as a good Capitalist by the law. At least he could afford a far better lawyer than a Court appointed attorney. Trump, with the best lawyers money can hire, has never been jailed for his stealing. See "Legal affairs of Donald Trump"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

When caught, Trump returns the stolen items. He does not go to jail. The system lets him get away with this behavior time after time. The same happens to other Capitalists, except most don't get caught as often as Trump.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 12:07 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Maybe the kid should have sold the cars rather than drove them? Maybe then he would have been respected as a good Capitalist by the law. At least he could afford a far better lawyer than a Court appointed attorney. Trump, with the best lawyers money can hire, has never been jailed for his stealing. See "Legal affairs of Donald Trump"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

When caught, Trump returns the stolen items. He does not go to jail. The system lets him get away with this behavior time after time. The same happens to other Capitalists, except most don't get caught as often as Trump.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Hillary Clinton could tell you all about it.

Maybe we should ask Hunter Biden how capitalism works in Ukraine. Pretty good for him, apparently.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 3:21 PM (P)

Quote:
The neighbor's kid was rewarded by the system when he stole a car: he received free transportation until the car ran out of gas. That was followed by free arrest followed by free prison for a year in Houston. When the kid stole another car, this time in Galveston, same thing happened in a very systematic manner.

Oh, you think the problem is that the laws don't get enforced?

Has it ever occurred to you that it's the laws themselves that need to be changed?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

SECOND

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 5:43 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
The neighbor's kid was rewarded by the system when he stole a car: he received free transportation until the car ran out of gas. That was followed by free arrest followed by free prison for a year in Houston. When the kid stole another car, this time in Galveston, same thing happened in a very systematic manner.

Oh, you think the problem is that the laws don't get enforced?

Has it ever occurred to you that it's the laws themselves that need to be changed?

I'm certain that kid stole many cars before he got caught. His attitude was that it's no big deal when the people get their cars back. It is not like he kept the cars forever. He simply used them for a few hours.

Do you think the laws about speed limits should be changed? Texans get really angry if they think those laws would always be enforced. That would violate their right to drive! They like it when enforcement is random and seldom. Capitalists also like things exactly the same -- the law is just fine so long as their cheating is just as unlikely to be caught as a speeder is unlikely to be caught. And if the cheating is revealed, well, just pay back what you stole after litigating it for years. Trump knows this very well. See Trump University. He kept that case in court for a decade, only settling immediately before his inauguration. He had sworn he'd never settle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University#Settlement

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 5:44 PM (P)

The latest hospital death data show 17,337 people have died after testing positive for coronavirus across the United Kingdom as of this Monday.

But right now the true death toll from COVID-19 - the respiratory disease caused by the coronavirus - is likely to be more than double this, based on the FT’s analysis of excess deaths in recent data.

On Tuesday the Office for National Statistics reported that 18,516 people died in England and Wales in the week ending April 10, or 7,966 more than the five-year average.

While the ONS records mentions of COVID-19 in death certificates, the sheer volume of extra total deaths - including those that do not mention COVID-19 - means that the true toll from the disease is being undercounted, according to the FT analysis.

This indicates the “real” death toll from the coronavirus is now running around 41,000.

The ONS data on Tuesday provided concrete examples of the under-reporting of COVID-19 deaths.

The statistics showed deaths in care homes had doubled over recent weeks, but only 17% of the death certificates mentioned COVID-19.

Cambridge professor David Spiegelhalter told the FT that it was not credible that these extra deaths could mostly come as a result of indirect effects from the coronavirus lockdown, such as seriously ill people avoiding hospital.

www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-toll-ft/ft-analy
sis-sees-uk-coronavirus-death-toll-at-41000-idUSKCN2240RV

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 9:34 PM (P)

COVID-19 and climate change: ‘The parallels are screaming at us,’ says John Kerry

Kerry said that a “baseline of truth” to advance scientific recommendations around COVID-19 and climate change is needed, but has at times proved elusive from the Trump White House.

“...It’s no coincidence that the same president who called COVID-19 a ‘Democratic hoax’ referred to climate change as a ‘hoax from China.’”

www.marketwatch.com/story/covid-19-and-climate-change-the-parallels-ar
e-screaming-at-us-says-john-kerry-2020-04-22

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 22, 2020 9:51 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Maybe the kid should have sold the cars rather than drove them? Maybe then he would have been respected as a good Capitalist by the law. At least he could afford a far better lawyer than a Court appointed attorney. Trump, with the best lawyers money can hire, has never been jailed for his stealing. See "Legal affairs of Donald Trump"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

When caught, Trump returns the stolen items. He does not go to jail. The system lets him get away with this behavior time after time. The same happens to other Capitalists, except most don't get caught as often as Trump.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Hillary Clinton could tell you all about it.

Maybe we should ask Hunter Biden how capitalism works in Ukraine. Pretty good for him, apparently.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Thursday, April 23, 2020 12:33 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Hillary Clinton could tell you all about it.

Maybe we should ask Hunter Biden how capitalism works in Ukraine. Pretty good for him, apparently.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

A lot of people are getting their information from Fox News, which is really lying about what’s going on. And so plenty of them are probably thinking this is just a problem for urban people and people who travel to Europe or China and they just don’t see it as an immediate threat where they live. But they absolutely see it as a political threat to Trump, who has become a hugely important symbol for a lot of people. And so they hate the idea that his presidency could be annihilated by some overblown crisis.

A disturbing new study suggests Sean Hannity helped spread the coronavirus

Sophisticated new research links Hannity’s coronavirus misinformation to “a greater number of Covid-19 cases and deaths.”

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/22/21229360/coronavirus-covid-1
9-fox-news-sean-hannity-misinformation-death

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:03 AM (P)

SECOND, why do you keep reducing the problem to stolen cars?

The way greedy hedge fund managers, bankers, Texas oilmen, AND YOU steal your money is perfectly legal. If you want people to be making positive contribution to society with work, or innovation, reward it. Stop rewarding rentiers including bankers who "rent" money.

I mean, really, think about bankers: What a scam! They "rent" out money, but it's not even money that they have, it's money that they can make up out of thin air! That's what "fractional reserve banking" is about: renting out money that you don't even have.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

SIGNYM

Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:13 AM (P)

Quote:
SIGNY: AG Barr has said that the DOJ might prosecute states that don't open up their economies.
That doesn't even make sense from a political POV since Trump would be blamed for any resulting shit show.
If I were Trump, I would let states reopen based on what their governors and state legislatures decided, and I would continue to provide the help that the federal government is supposed to be providing, but only if

States mandate wearing masks in public and

Free Osat tests are provided at any pharmacy, urgent care or doctors office

The state report ALL of its deaths and cases to the CDC using presumed as well as confirmed criteria

SIX: Good thing you don't make decisions.

Welcome to your excess deaths, then! Just don't come crying to ... anybody... about it.

I think Trump is making a callous and quite possibly stupid political decision based on an unfounded ASSumption that this coronavirus will subside in the summer (like many colds) and only re-emerge very shortly before or just after the election. Also, schools will probably remain closed until the next school year (Aug/Sept) so that will also suppress infection rates. If it happens the way he hopes, he can pander to "his base" while skating away from real-world consequences until after the election.

If he's wrong about the way this virus behaves, then you should expect to see a very noticeable jump in excess deaths about two months after an economy is "re-opened", assuming people are too stupid to wear masks and wash their hands (which most of Trump's base seem to be.) So if a state re-opens its economy is, say, mid-May, the effects will start to show up in mid-July, if this virus behaves differently than other coronaviruses.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

SIGNYM

Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:23 AM (P)

I WILL give credit to Trump, tho, for suspending "green cards" for 60 days. I hope he will suspend them for longer.

Also, I give credit to Trump for allowing this pandemic to further drive a wedge between the USA and Chinese economies. He's pretty smart about it, by not personally claiming that the Chinese created and/or spread the virus deliberately he maintains the ability to negotiate with the Chinese but allowing his minions to poison the relationship

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

1KIKI

Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:54 AM (P)

So, speaking of excess deaths, a 'back of the envelope' calculation based on extremely optimistic data indicates that if the country gets infected at the same rate as NYC (80%, coincidentally when herd immunity is supposed to take hold), then a minimum of half a million people in the US will die of COVID-19. That's roughly 10x the number of people who die from all influenza viruses combined in an entire 'flu' year.

SIGNYM

Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:23 AM (P)

Trump guidelines for reopening the economy

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=6840714-Guidelines

I have yet to go thru them in detail, bu before you even begin to open up economy, the state should demonstrate a 14-day decline in cases.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 23, 2020 8:44 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
SIGNY: AG Barr has said that the DOJ might prosecute states that don't open up their economies.
That doesn't even make sense from a political POV since Trump would be blamed for any resulting shit show.
If I were Trump, I would let states reopen based on what their governors and state legislatures decided, and I would continue to provide the help that the federal government is supposed to be providing, but only if

States mandate wearing masks in public and

Free Osat tests are provided at any pharmacy, urgent care or doctors office

The state report ALL of its deaths and cases to the CDC using presumed as well as confirmed criteria

SIX: Good thing you don't make decisions.
Welcome to your excess deaths, then! Just don't come crying to ... anybody... about it.

I think Trump is making a callous and quite possibly stupid political decision based on an unfounded ASSumption that this coronavirus will subside in the summer (like many colds) and only re-emerge very shortly before or just after the election. Also, schools will probably remain closed until the next school year (Aug/Sept) so that will also suppress infection rates. If it happens the way he hopes, he can pander to "his base" while skating away from real-world consequences until after the election.

If he's wrong about the way this virus behaves, then you should expect to see a very noticeable jump in excess deaths about two months after an economy is "re-opened", assuming people are too stupid to wear masks and wash their hands (which most of Trump's base seem to be.) So if a state re-opens its economy is, say, mid-May, the effects will start to show up in mid-July, if this virus behaves differently than other coronaviruses.

-------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

You're probably right. There will probably be a slight rise in deaths outside of NYC after things open back up. Then it will level off, then it will decline.

It won't ever increase again in NYC though. Everybody there already has it, has had it or is dead now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 23, 2020 8:45 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I WILL give credit to Trump, tho, for suspending "green cards" for 60 days. I hope he will suspend them for longer.

Also, I give credit to Trump for allowing this pandemic to further drive a wedge between the USA and Chinese economies. He's pretty smart about it, by not personally claiming that the Chinese created and/or spread the virus deliberately he maintains the ability to negotiate with the Chinese but allowing his minions to poison the relationship

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

On both of these issues we can agree.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 23, 2020 8:46 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Hillary Clinton could tell you all about it.

Maybe we should ask Hunter Biden how capitalism works in Ukraine. Pretty good for him, apparently.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
A lot of people are getting their information from Fox News, which is really lying about what’s going on. And so plenty of them are probably thinking this is just a problem for urban people and people who travel to Europe or China and they just don’t see it as an immediate threat where they live. But they absolutely see it as a political threat to Trump, who has become a hugely important symbol for a lot of people. And so they hate the idea that his presidency could be annihilated by some overblown crisis.

A disturbing new study suggests Sean Hannity helped spread the coronavirus

Sophisticated new research links Hannity’s coronavirus misinformation to “a greater number of Covid-19 cases and deaths.”

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/22/21229360/coronavirus-covid-1
9-fox-news-sean-hannity-misinformation-death

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I don't get any information from Fox News about anything ever, so you can fuck right off with that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 23, 2020 9:14 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So, speaking of excess deaths, a 'back of the envelope' calculation based on extremely optimistic data indicates that if the country gets infected at the same rate as NYC (80%, coincidentally when herd immunity is supposed to take hold), then a minimum of half a million people in the US will die of COVID-19. That's roughly 10x the number of people who die from all influenza viruses combined in an entire 'flu' year.

Or if those studies were right about people with antibodies that were never tested, you could look at the optomistic figure that 80x's as many people have it that have been tested and the numbers of deaths are less than half of what you just mentioned.

Current Confirmed Cases: 841,556

X 80 = 67,324,480 hypothetical cases.

US Population: 325,000,000

325,000,000 / 67,324,480 = 4.8

Current Death Count: 46,688

46,688 x 4.8 = 224,102

CDC estimates that 61,000 people died of the flu in the 2017-2018 season.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

That would only be 3.67 times as many people who died from the flu a few years ago.

And once again it must be stressed that most of these deaths are people who weren't long for the world because of old age and other severe health issues.

Many of them might also have had the flu and would have died from it, but we're only counting deaths that are even remotely adjacent to The Coomph as Coomph deaths in 2020.

We've got to do whatever we can to justify all of the overreactions at this point.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Thursday, April 23, 2020 11:35 AM (P)

I wasn't just making up numbers.

I took the antibody rate number 0.04 from the USC study and applied it to Los Angeles County population 10M. The reason I applied it to Los Angeles County only is because that's where the test subjects were selected from.

I calculated the number of infected people in Los Angeles County from the infection rate X the population of 10M 0.04 X 10M = 400,000 infected.

Then I calculated the deaths/ infected ratio using the deaths from the LACounty website 750 / 400,000 = 0.001875

I checked the reasonableness of the ratio by applying it to NYC. I applied that ratio to the number of deaths in NYC ~10,000 to calculate the number of infected and got ~5.5M infected in NYC out of 8M. (Using both the Santa Clara and USC studies and applying them to the entire state of California, then using that factor for NYC, I got 12M people infected - which is impossible in a population of 8M and obviously not a reasonable number.)

Assuming that 80% of people in the US get infected that'll be 330M x .80 = 264M infected. If the deaths-per-infected ratio 0.001875 in LACounty is correct, that means 495,000 people will die in the US by the time we (possibly) reach herd immunity, or roughly half a million.

From the CDC influenza deaths
2014-2015 51,000
2015-2016 23,000
2016-2017 38,000
2017-2018 61,000
2018-2019 34,200
Average 41440

But I didn't want to be optimistic about influenza numbers so I decided 50,000 deaths would be a good conservative and defensible number to use.

CONCLUSION: 10x the number of people could die from COVID-19 as in a typical influenza year.

I didn't make any numbers up or use any unsupported assumptions. I used data as it exists to date.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:28 PM (P)

You used data that you wanted to use to make a point that you wanted to make.

So did I.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:22 PM (P)

I used all the available data at the moment, and picked middle of the road values as being most likely. I even ran my calculations through for 'reasonableness' - you know - like not getting 150% of NYC infected.

You used wrong figures (like the US population), unsourced numbers, and extreme estimates to make your point.

If you were working for bush the dubya, you'd be accused of cherry picking.

Which is exactly what you did.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:35 PM (P)

You've been getting data from the WHO, who has been deepthroating China so bad it is choking on Xi's balls.

Fuck your numbers. You're wrong.

#GETTHEFUCKOUTOFYOURHOUSE

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:54 PM (P)

Wrong again! I got my antibody data from the USC study - which got similar percentages as the Santa Cruz (Stanford) Study. LACounty death data from the county website. NYC and US population from wikipedia. And my numbers via calculator.

Where are YOU getting YOUR numbers from?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:56 PM (P)

Your mom.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:00 PM (P)

And JACK posts the ULTIMATE in 5-year-old tantrumming!

Got anything else adult and intelligent to post there, JACK?

SIGNYM

Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:24 PM (P)

SIX is just pulling stuff outta his ass, again.

I think what happened is that he looked at Trump's guidelines for reopening states' economies and realized that (1) they were more restrictive than mine and (2) Big Daddy Trump didn't have his back.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

1KIKI

Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:27 PM (P)

It's hard to say. There could be many things behind his postings. But I personally don't think he researches facts very much.

SECOND

Thursday, April 23, 2020 11:30 PM (P)

In Taiwan, coronavirus pandemic is playing out very differently. What does life without a lockdown look like?

Cellphones tracked, restaurants with X's taped on every other chair, thermometers to enter a building. Taiwan shows that the post-virus normal is different.

Taiwan appears to have emerged from the crisis relatively unscathed. It managed to keep its 11 million-strong labor force working and its economy running.

It has recorded only about 400 cases of coronavirus and six deaths. But with no vaccine in sight, Taiwan is taking no chances. And if its example is any guide, the new normal — life without a lockdown — won’t look much like the old normal at all.

Here’s how Taiwan does it: www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taiwanese-authorities-stay-vigilant-virus-c
risis-eases-n1188781

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, April 23, 2020 11:44 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Cellphones tracked, restaurants with X's taped on every other chair, thermometers to enter a building. Taiwan shows that the post-virus normal is different.

I don't think that would play here, not with the chick pea sized, conspiracy fueled brains of most devoted Trumpers.

"There are some things that more important than life! Like Commerce... get out there and spend the money you don't have, lil' Trumpers!"

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 24, 2020 12:16 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX is just pulling stuff outta his ass, again.

I think what happened is that he looked at Trump's guidelines for reopening states' economies and realized that (1) they were more restrictive than mine and (2) Big Daddy Trump didn't have his back.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

I don't pay much attention to Trump. Outside of a few tweets I might have posted here over the years for laughs have I ever posted a video of him giving a speech or even referenced one in a post?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 24, 2020 12:32 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
In Taiwan, coronavirus pandemic is playing out very differently. What does life without a lockdown look like?

Cellphones tracked, restaurants with X's taped on every other chair, thermometers to enter a building. Taiwan shows that the post-virus normal is different.

Taiwan appears to have emerged from the crisis relatively unscathed. It managed to keep its 11 million-strong labor force working and its economy running.

It has recorded only about 400 cases of coronavirus and six deaths. But with no vaccine in sight, Taiwan is taking no chances. And if its example is any guide, the new normal — life without a lockdown — won’t look much like the old normal at all.

Here’s how Taiwan does it: www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taiwanese-authorities-stay-vigilant-virus-c
risis-eases-n1188781

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Despite what Cap'n Crunch says, that should be pretty terrifying to you.

Australia (thankfully) backpeadled their decision to make a Coomph tracking app mandatory.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/piracy/coronavirus-governmen
t-considers-making-mobile-tracking-app-mandatory/news-story/f2cacdf3ef3dbc844664ae9f648620cf

Quote:
The Prime Minister has conceded the government won’t force Australians to download tracking software after it was viewed by many as a draconian measure to trace coronavirus cases in the community.

On Friday, Scott Morrison said he wanted to make the app compulsory if enough people didn’t sign up for it because at least 40 per cent of the population needs to be on board to make it effective.

But in a tweet this morning, he confirmed it “will not be mandatory”.

That doesn't mean that they won't try guilting the hell out of you to download and use it though.

Quote:
“I know this would be something they might not normally do at an ordinary time but this is not an ordinary time,” he said.

“If you download this app you’ll be helping save someone’s life.”

If I were an Australian Citizen would I be forced to have the app if the law passed as well, even though I don't have or ever intend to have a cell phone again? Would I be forced to go out and buy one and pay a monthly plan out of my own pocket to install this tracking app?

As an aside...

Has anybody else who lives in an area that never has helicopters flying by had a lot of chopper activity? At least 3 per day are flying over the vicinity of my house this week, and that's just the ones flying close enough to be audible.

I could probably count on one hand how many I've noticed in 8 years of living here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Friday, April 24, 2020 12:32 AM (P)

How many people in NYC have been infected with SARS-COV-2?

150% as some data indicates?
100% as JACK claims?

The answer so far is closer to 20%

Quote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/nyregion/coronavirus-antibodies-tes
t-ny.html

1 in 5 New Yorkers May Have Had Covid-19, Antibody Tests Suggest

But rather than using antibodies in the decision to relax anti-SARS-COV-2 measures, Cuomo is basing his recommendation on numbers of people being hospitalized, about 1,350 patients per day. That number indicates there's still dangerous levels of infection.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 24, 2020 12:35 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
How many people in NYC have been infected with SARS-COV-2?

150% as some data indicates?
100% as JACK claims?

The answer so far is closer to 20%

Quote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/nyregion/coronavirus-antibodies-tes
t-ny.html

1 in 5 New Yorkers May Have Had Covid-19, Antibody Tests Suggest

But rather than using antibodies in the decision to relax anti-SARS-COV-2 measures, Cuomo is basing his recommendation on numbers of people being hospitalized, about 1,350 patients per day. That number indicates there's still dangerous levels of infection.

That's not an answer, and it's certainly not a legitimate news source.

You already know that NYT is a partisan shill hack outlet these days. At least you used to know that.

Why are you citing them as a legitimate news source on this issue?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Friday, April 24, 2020 1:00 AM (P)

And now for what could be worse news:

Quote:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/23/data-on-gileads-remdesivir-release
d-by-accident-show-no-benefit-for-coronavirus-patients/

New data on Gilead’s remdesivir, released by accident, show no benefit for coronavirus patients. Company still sees reason for hope

Quote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stocks-slide-report-gilead-miracle-d
rug-remdesivir-flopped-during-first-clinical-trial

Stocks Dump, Gilead Crashes After FT Reports Gilead's Remdesivir "Flops" In First Clinical Trial

Update (1350ET): How did the FT and Statnews get their hands on the remdesivir study? They were simply perusing the WHO website at the right time and just happened to stumble upon.

However, as I previously posted, that could be because the drug was given AFTER cytokine storm became the primary pathology.

Giving it earlier might still work.

1KIKI

Friday, April 24, 2020 1:01 AM (P)

oops

1KIKI

Friday, April 24, 2020 1:14 AM (P)

Quote:
JACK:
and it's certainly not a legitimate news source.

You already know that NYT is a partisan shill hack outlet these days.

Pick whichever 'source' you would prefer, JACK. All you need to do to get your preferred 'source' is to go to google and search out the topic under 'news'.

But perhaps you need someone to do that for you, so here's a start:

https://www.businessinsider.com/nyc-residents-coronavirus-antibodies-s
tudy-cuomo-2020-4

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/23/new-york-antibody-study-estimates-13po
int9percent-of-residents-have-had-the-coronavirus-cuomo-says.html

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-new-york-coronavirus-
antibody-survey-20200423-4mulrpltbvflrpmq6miw7yhzlq-story.html

https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-antibody-study-early-results

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 24, 2020 2:15 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:
JACK:
and it's certainly not a legitimate news source.

You already know that NYT is a partisan shill hack outlet these days.

Pick whichever 'source' you would prefer, JACK. All you need to do to get your preferred 'source' is to go to google and search out the topic under 'news'.

But perhaps you need someone to do that for you, so here's a start:

New York Times: 1619 Project. Nuff Said.

https://www.businessinsider.com/nyc-residents-coronavirus-antibodies-s
tudy-cuomo-2020-4

"Cuomo says"

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/23/new-york-antibody-study-estimates-13po
int9percent-of-residents-have-had-the-coronavirus-cuomo-says.html

"Cuomo says"

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-new-york-coronavirus-
antibody-survey-20200423-4mulrpltbvflrpmq6miw7yhzlq-story.html

"Cuomo said"

https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-antibody-study-early-results

Fuck Fox News.

Seriously. Why are you going to believe any study that Cuomo says on the issue. The number 21% doesn't even come close to your most bleak predictions for the City.

It's bullshit.

And besides, they're all just essentially plagiarizing the New York Times article and passing it off as their own anyhow. You might as well just read it in the Times.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Friday, April 24, 2020 2:57 AM (P)

JACK, you're in full denial mode.

Cuomo said what he said because that's what his department heads told him.

And people aren't quoting the NYTimes, they're quoting Cuomo. That's why they're all saying the same thing. If news sources were all quoting Cuomo and saying DIFFERENT things, that would be a problem.

But they're using completely different wording, different paragraphs, even highlighting different summaries, not only different from the NYTimes, but from each other.

It's pretty easy to see they're not quoting the NYTimes, each other, or anything else, except Cuomo.

SECOND

Friday, April 24, 2020 3:03 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
In Taiwan, coronavirus pandemic is playing out very differently. What does life without a lockdown look like?

Cellphones tracked, restaurants with X's taped on every other chair, thermometers to enter a building. Taiwan shows that the post-virus normal is different.

Taiwan appears to have emerged from the crisis relatively unscathed. It managed to keep its 11 million-strong labor force working and its economy running.

It has recorded only about 400 cases of coronavirus and six deaths. But with no vaccine in sight, Taiwan is taking no chances. And if its example is any guide, the new normal — life without a lockdown — won’t look much like the old normal at all.

Here’s how Taiwan does it: www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taiwanese-authorities-stay-vigilant-virus-c
risis-eases-n1188781

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Despite what Cap'n Crunch says, that should be pretty terrifying to you.

Australia (thankfully) backpeadled their decision to make a Coomph tracking app mandatory.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/piracy/coronavirus-governmen
t-considers-making-mobile-tracking-app-mandatory/news-story/f2cacdf3ef3dbc844664ae9f648620cf

Quote:
The Prime Minister has conceded the government won’t force Australians to download tracking software after it was viewed by many as a draconian measure to trace coronavirus cases in the community.

On Friday, Scott Morrison said he wanted to make the app compulsory if enough people didn’t sign up for it because at least 40 per cent of the population needs to be on board to make it effective.

But in a tweet this morning, he confirmed it “will not be mandatory”.

That doesn't mean that they won't try guilting the hell out of you to download and use it though.

Quote:
“I know this would be something they might not normally do at an ordinary time but this is not an ordinary time,” he said.

“If you download this app you’ll be helping save someone’s life.”

If I were an Australian Citizen would I be forced to have the app if the law passed as well, even though I don't have or ever intend to have a cell phone again? Would I be forced to go out and buy one and pay a monthly plan out of my own pocket to install this tracking app?

As an aside...

Has anybody else who lives in an area that never has helicopters flying by had a lot of chopper activity? At least 3 per day are flying over the vicinity of my house this week, and that's just the ones flying close enough to be audible.

I could probably count on one hand how many I've noticed in 8 years of living here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

This ain't Australia; Taiwan is tracking only quarantined people, not everybody:

Arriving passengers at the airport must hand over their mobile phones so health authorities can record the details and use the GPS signals provided by telecoms operators to track the phone’s owners — and make sure they stay isolated during 14 days of mandatory quarantine. . . .

Even with cellphone tracking, someone needs to enforce quarantine guidelines. In Taiwan, local officials have been enlisted to help.

Taiwan's borough chiefs, the lowest level elected officials, now must call people quarantined in their jurisdiction twice a day to make sure they are not fooling authorities by leaving their tracked phone at home while they go out.

This turned out to be quite a headache for Tseng Chiung-mei, a Taipei borough chief who at one point had to check on more than 100 quarantined people.

"Each day my borough’s director and I were making endless phone calls," said Tseng, adding that many of those quarantined in her borough were single people with no family to help them.

“They would call me and ask me to help them buy a boxed meal, instant noodles or a thermometer, because they couldn’t go out,” Tsen

SIGNYM

Friday, April 24, 2020 7:35 AM (P)

Six had an interesting thought that I've been noodling about ever since. He said that the "lockdown" has been in place for 8 weeks ... long enough to form new habits.

What are some of the negative habits being reinforced?

Well, beating up on your significant other, maybe.
Drinking.
Spending endless hours on the internet.

But what about postive habits?

Cooking and eating at home, with the family.
Spending time with your kids.
Walking the dog.
Gardening, cleaning, or home improvement.
NOT running to the store to buy the latest purse or drill if you need a "lift'.
NOT running off to the casino for a little fun.

It's not all negative. People are saying they see kids playing in the streets again, like they used to see. I've seen it myself: Mom, watching the kids from down the length of the street.

I hope the biggest habit that breaks is mindless consumerism.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

SIGNYM

Friday, April 24, 2020 8:05 AM (P)

This is in response to all of the celebrities who, seeing no oppty to stick their faces into the public eye, are tweeting and instagraming endlessly about Covid-19.

Who the fuck cares about them? Maybe another positive result will be diminishing celeberity worship.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 24, 2020 9:53 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Six had an interesting thought that I've been noodling about ever since. He said that the "lockdown" has been in place for 8 weeks ... long enough to form new habits.

What are some of the negative habits being reinforced?

Well, beating up on your significant other, maybe.
Drinking.
Spending endless hours on the internet.

But what about postive habits?

Cooking and eating at home, with the family.
Spending time with your kids.
Walking the dog.
Gardening, cleaning, or home improvement.
NOT running to the store to buy the latest purse or drill if you need a "lift'.
NOT running off to the casino for a little fun.

It's not all negative. People are saying they see kids playing in the streets again, like they used to see. I've seen it myself: Mom, watching the kids from down the length of the street.

I hope the biggest habit that breaks is mindless consumerism.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

Well...

It hasn't been 8 weeks yet. It just feels like it.

Another habit I've noticed that a lot of people have is that they forget what day it is.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 24, 2020 9:55 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is in response to all of the celebrities who, seeing no oppty to stick their faces into the public eye, are tweeting and instagraming endlessly about Covid-19.

Who the fuck cares about them? Maybe another positive result will be diminishing celeberity worship.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

Nice. I can dig it.

Saw this one the other day by one of my YT favs.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Friday, April 24, 2020 1:05 PM (P)

HAHAHA! No kidding!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

SIGNYM

Friday, April 24, 2020 1:06 PM (P)

Oh, another GOOD habit people might be forming: Getting enough sleep!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 24, 2020 6:33 PM (P)

That's going to vary wildly on the person.

I had a lot of free time before this, even when I was working, but my sleep habits have never been normal. I benefit from being alone though, so I can just sleep whenever I feel like it so it's not a problem.

There's also depression. I know my old man and my brother are depressed right now. Dad's like a Netflix zombie and pumps himself full of legacy media at this point because there's nothing better to do, and my brother needs social interaction more than anybody I know and I'm afraid that if this goes on too long he might go back to drinking. There have already been days I've talked to him and he sounded really strange. Sometimes his medicine does that to him, but it was worse than that... He said there are times now where he's been up 3 days straight again, which is something he was doing back in his drinking days and one of the reasons he started drinking a bottle of vodka every day.

For him, it's not just the church stuff and volunteer work that he was doing and no longer can, but my old man would go down there ever 3 or so weeks and I'd go down there about 4 times a year and now my old man isn't even doing that. The last time he went down with my brother he bought him about 5 times the stuff they usually get and told him it would be a while before he was back.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Friday, April 24, 2020 8:27 PM (P)

Quote:
SIX .... I know my old man and my brother are depressed right now. Dad's like a Netflix zombie and pumps himself full of legacy media at this point because there's nothing better to do, and my brother needs social interaction more than anybody I know and I'm afraid that if this goes on too long he might go back to drinking. There have already been days I've talked to him and he sounded really strange. Sometimes his medicine does that to him, but it was worse than that... He said there are times now where he's been up 3 days straight again, which is something he was doing back in his drinking days and one of the reasons he started drinking a bottle of vodka every day.

For him, it's not just the church stuff and volunteer work that he was doing and no longer can, but my old man would go down there ever 3 or so weeks and I'd go down there about 4 times a year and now my old man isn't even doing that. The last time he went down with my brother he bought him about 5 times the stuff they usually get and told him it would be a while before he was back.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Obviously these are weak people, lacking in self-motivation and self-discipline, who deserve to die.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 24, 2020 10:34 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:
SIX .... I know my old man and my brother are depressed right now. Dad's like a Netflix zombie and pumps himself full of legacy media at this point because there's nothing better to do, and my brother needs social interaction more than anybody I know and I'm afraid that if this goes on too long he might go back to drinking. There have already been days I've talked to him and he sounded really strange. Sometimes his medicine does that to him, but it was worse than that... He said there are times now where he's been up 3 days straight again, which is something he was doing back in his drinking days and one of the reasons he started drinking a bottle of vodka every day.

For him, it's not just the church stuff and volunteer work that he was doing and no longer can, but my old man would go down there ever 3 or so weeks and I'd go down there about 4 times a year and now my old man isn't even doing that. The last time he went down with my brother he bought him about 5 times the stuff they usually get and told him it would be a while before he was back.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Obviously these are weak people, lacking in self-motivation and self-discipline, who deserve to die.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

Hey... maybe they are. Maybe they should die.

But at the end of the day if they do, it's the government who did it.

Had everything not been shut down, they would have had a 99% or more chance of living. Even higher than that because they're not unhealthy physically.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Friday, April 24, 2020 10:40 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:
SIX .... I know my old man and my brother are depressed right now. Dad's like a Netflix zombie and pumps himself full of legacy media at this point because there's nothing better to do, and my brother needs social interaction more than anybody I know and I'm afraid that if this goes on too long he might go back to drinking. There have already been days I've talked to him and he sounded really strange. Sometimes his medicine does that to him, but it was worse than that... He said there are times now where he's been up 3 days straight again, which is something he was doing back in his drinking days and one of the reasons he started drinking a bottle of vodka every day.

For him, it's not just the church stuff and volunteer work that he was doing and no longer can, but my old man would go down there ever 3 or so weeks and I'd go down there about 4 times a year and now my old man isn't even doing that. The last time he went down with my brother he bought him about 5 times the stuff they usually get and told him it would be a while before he was back.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Obviously these are weak people, lacking in self-motivation and self-discipline, who deserve to die.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

Hey... maybe they are. Maybe they should die.

But at the end of the day if they do, it's the government who did it.

Had everything not been shut down, they would have had a 99% or more chance of living. Even higher than that because they're not unhealthy physically.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

At the end of the day, THEY did it.

Evolutionarily, SIX, there are times when people had to work hard to survive, but there were times when people had to hunker down. If they can't stand hunkering down they wouldn't have survived those times.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 24, 2020 10:45 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:
SIX .... I know my old man and my brother are depressed right now. Dad's like a Netflix zombie and pumps himself full of legacy media at this point because there's nothing better to do, and my brother needs social interaction more than anybody I know and I'm afraid that if this goes on too long he might go back to drinking. There have already been days I've talked to him and he sounded really strange. Sometimes his medicine does that to him, but it was worse than that... He said there are times now where he's been up 3 days straight again, which is something he was doing back in his drinking days and one of the reasons he started drinking a bottle of vodka every day.

For him, it's not just the church stuff and volunteer work that he was doing and no longer can, but my old man would go down there ever 3 or so weeks and I'd go down there about 4 times a year and now my old man isn't even doing that. The last time he went down with my brother he bought him about 5 times the stuff they usually get and told him it would be a while before he was back.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Obviously these are weak people, lacking in self-motivation and self-discipline, who deserve to die.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

Hey... maybe they are. Maybe they should die.

But at the end of the day if they do, it's the government who did it.

Had everything not been shut down, they would have had a 99% or more chance of living. Even higher than that because they're not unhealthy physically.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
At the end of the day, THEY did it.

Evolutionarily, SIX, there are times when people had to work hard to survive, but there were times when people had to hunker down. If they can't stand hunkering down they wouldn't have survived those times.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

That's funny, coming from a woman who's biology for a few hundred thousand years has dictated that you stay at home and do the nurturing.

Men need shit to do.

That's why there have already been so many suicides among men the last few decades before this shutdown happened compared to women.

Enjoy your lockdown and self righteousness, Karen. Sleep tight at night knowing that all the people who start offing themselves did it to themselves. At least you won't catch a cold.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Friday, April 24, 2020 11:19 PM (P)

Yep, men need shit to do. Everybody needs agency over their future. That's why I've decried the loss of meaningful jobs over the past number of decades. If jobs are permanently lost because of this virus, it's because they weren't any better than Do you want fries with that?" McJobs, didn't serve an essential purpose, and weren't worth re-creating.

Here's a thought: There is ALWAYS shit to do to control your future. Plant a garden. Learn to preserve food. Learn a new DIY skill. Become an "essential" worker (they're hiring!). Become an EMT. Form a Neighborhood watch.

WEAR A FUCKING MASK AND WASH YOUR HANDS.

If your dad and brother can't find a purpose in this time, they're not looking very hard.

So when the death rate from covid-related suicide reaches 2000/day, let me know. Otherwise .... zzzzzzzz.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, April 25, 2020 6:44 AM (P)

When your Kung Flu stabilizes the birth rate and brings us to a point that we aren't adding to the overpopulation problem every single day, wake me up.

Otherwise, I could give a shit less about it.

And, BTW... I don't give personal examples just so you can sit in judgement of people who are close to me. I do so because there are a shit ton of other people out there just like them. Are you really a cunt, or did this virus panic just make you that way?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Saturday, April 25, 2020 12:29 PM (P)

SIX, you're the one who started down the road of "let the weak die".
I'm just bouncing it back.
Not very nice, is it?

I DO feel for your family. Believe me, I know what it's like to take care of, and worry about, a fragile family member.
It doesn't sound like anyone has money problems, so it's more about feelz.

If you're that worried, call your brother more often. Every day, if necessary. Even more often, if it helps.
Your dad can safely visit him without potentially infecting him if he just wears a mask and has your brother do the same. You can too, except your car might not make it.

But just ... call. Talk to him. And not just once in a while. Call your dad, too.
In these stressful days, the best antidote is to take action.

Anxiety is what dwells in the space between what we know we should be doing, and what we're not doing. I have so much to do, I can't imagine how anyone could have "nothing" to do. Netflix sounds like an escape from anxiety, not boredom.

But, what do I know? Just call your family and stay in touch more often!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 26, 2020 12:16 AM (P)

I love it! Celebrities getting another well-deserved roasting for their gratuitous self-promotion during the time of covid-19.

"We're all in this together"

HA!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

1KIKI

Sunday, April 26, 2020 12:24 AM (P)

What irks me even more than that are the commercials pretending to 'care' about you as they let you know how easy they've made parting you from your money.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, April 26, 2020 1:16 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX, you're the one who started down the road of "let the weak die".
I'm just bouncing it back.
Not very nice, is it?

I DO feel for your family. Believe me, I know what it's like to take care of, and worry about, a fragile family member.
It doesn't sound like anyone has money problems, so it's more about feelz.

If you're that worried, call your brother more often. Every day, if necessary. Even more often, if it helps.
Your dad can safely visit him without potentially infecting him if he just wears a mask and has your brother do the same. You can too, except your car might not make it.

But just ... call. Talk to him. And not just once in a while. Call your dad, too.
In these stressful days, the best antidote is to take action.

Anxiety is what dwells in the space between what we know we should be doing, and what we're not doing. I have so much to do, I can't imagine how anyone could have "nothing" to do. Netflix sounds like an escape from anxiety, not boredom.

But, what do I know? Just call your family and stay in touch more often!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

I talk to them close to everyday.

You run out of stuff to talk about though, when one person is doing DIY stuff and the other two are watching news and Netflix most of the day.

I'm not worried about them being suicidal. Especially my old man. But it's obvious they're depressed. I almost get the feeling that I'm making him feel bad when I'm talking about work I'm getting done right now. So what do you talk about? We've talked this virus bullshit to death. I don't give a shit what shows they're watching and have no interest in watching any myself.

I thrive in this lifestyle. Mine has hardly changed at all from what it was going into this outside of a few minor inconveniences and the fact I'm starting to look like a hobo.

I am worried about my brother drinking again though, and the lack of sleep is worrisome too. He's disabled and he lives 250 miles away from any family. My old man is stuck with my youngest brother who, though a true genius, has OCD and is already a germaphobe and needs to take lead testing kits any time he touches something metallic (no joke). Being with my old man and my step mom is probably the best place in the world for him right now, but it's not doing dad any favors. He has no desire to go down to visit my brother right now because 95% of the residents in his building are seniors.

You get to have your daughter right there with you during all of this bullshit. Consider yourself lucky.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Sunday, April 26, 2020 6:35 AM (P)

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I talk to them close to everyday.
You run out of stuff to talk about though, when one person is doing DIY stuff and the other two are watching news and Netflix most of the day. We've talked this virus bullshit to death. I don't give a shit what shows they're watching and have no interest in watching any myself.

I find the people who are hardest to communicate with are people with whom you have no ongoing relationship. So you talk about the few big things.. got divorced 10 years ago, kid's still living at home .. or the weather. And then there's nothing left to say.
So if you can't talk with them, it's because you have no ongoing relationship. You don't know them or their lives very well. You don't know who they know, you can't talk about the people they know, you can't talk about what those people have done or said, or what anybody else says or thinks ... And you have no interest in relating with where they are now - not even for the length of a phone call - because it's just not 'your' thang.
It sounds to me like you never actually could speak with your dad. This just made it really obvious.

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I almost get the feeling that I'm making him feel bad when I'm talking about work I'm getting done right now.

You mean, you can't talk with him the same way you post here? How surprising. Not. Because all you ever post about is you. And how you want to flush the weak and the old without a care in the world.

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So what do you talk about?

Nothing. They're strangers to you, and you to them. And you won't change that because you have no interest in expending the least bit of effort for anyone but you.

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I am worried about my brother drinking again though, and the lack of sleep is worrisome too. He's disabled and he lives 250 miles away from any family.

And?
What are you going to do about it?
Oh, that's right, you're not in a position to be of use to anyone but you.

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My old man is stuck with my youngest brother who, though a true genius, has OCD and is already a germaphobe and needs to take lead testing kits any time he touches something metallic (no joke). Being with my old man and my step mom is probably the best place in the world for him right now, but it's not doing dad any favors.

And you're not doing anybody any favors at all.

Because the life of me, myself, and I, suits you.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:40 AM (P)

I'm not allowed to go into his building. My old man is, but just to bring in food and stuff my brother needs to live.

I offered to let my brother stay here. That was about to happen until one day they both had a light switch flip because they're watching too much news and they thought he might not be able to go back into his building at a later date if he left it.

And really. What the fuck is there to talk about right now? NOTHING is going on.

Don't you judge my family. Go fuck yourself cunt.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:54 AM (P)

Your father is driving 250 miles one way to bring him groceries? Or is he coming up from Florida to do that?

Here's the thing.

You've spent a lot of time pretending that COVID-19 is just a flu/ cold. The facts say otherwise. The cold doesn't kill people. And yet in under 2 months COVID-19 has killed 53,755 people, so far. In under 2 months, that's more than all the influenza deaths combined in an entire flu year.

Or if you don't believe the numbers, look at the news reports: dozens of trailers stacked with dead people, hospitals overflowing with COVID-10 patients, and mass graves. When did the last cold do that? The answer is never.

But then your logic zig-zags. Despite all the evidence, there's no risk you say -

- except for the old and 'weak'. And they should just be unaccommodated so they don't use up even the smallest bit of your life.

So on the one hand, you claim there's no risk to your family. And on the other hand you allow there's risk for the old and 'weak'. I'd say that category fits your father and brother. But apparently one idea in your brain hasn't run into the other idea. So you're perfectly fine with thinking any risk to the old and 'weak' is not worth doing anything about.

JO753

Sunday, April 26, 2020 1:12 PM (P)

Started a GoFundMe to finans R&D for a mask.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/ultraviolet-pathogen-killer-mask

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SECOND

Sunday, April 26, 2020 5:14 PM (P)

How Scientists Could Stop the Next Pandemic Before It Starts

Researchers believe they could pre-emptively create vaccines and drugs to fight a wide range of viral threats — if they can get sufficient funding.

The real obstacle to making panviral drugs or vaccines has been that no one was willing to pay for their development. For pharmaceutical companies, panviral vaccines are simply a terrible business proposition: Companies have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to develop a shot that people will get once a year at most — and not at all in years when no particular disease is ascendant.

Panviral drug treatments are unprofitable for similar reasons. For one, the course of treatment is short, usually just a few weeks; for chronic diseases (diabetes, high blood pressure), patients take regimens of pills daily, often for years. (One person noted that Gilead’s stock price actually dropped after the company produced a revolutionary hepatitis C drug. Because the treatment completely cured patients, the market for it started to shrink, undermining the company’s bottom line.)

Governments, meanwhile, have been reluctant to fund panviral development — both because it’s expensive and because the rewards can feel remote, especially as many diseases originate in other countries. “We don’t prevent well; we respond well,” Daszak notes. “Remember when Obama got $5 billion for the Ebola outbreak in West Africa, and U.S. troops went to help fix the problem? That’s heroic. How heroic is it, three years before Ebola, to say, ‘We’re going to fund a massive program in West Africa to help these poor countries get ready in case an outbreak happens?’ He’d be laughed out of the room!”

The Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI) is running a trial for a vaccine against Nipah virus, a zoonotic virus — one that exists in animals but can infect people — which can cause acute respiratory illness and fatal encephalitis. “This is the classic example,” Daszak says. “So far, there have been only a few outbreaks, so the market is minuscule: a few thousand people a year get it, in Malaysia or Bangladesh. But it infects a wide range of animals, and that means it’s likely to keep crossing over into people. And if it ever broke out, it could be a pandemic with very lethal consequences.”

In the wake of the Covid-19 pandemic, people are going to realize that spending money on organizations like CEPI is a good investment — especially when you realize how much having a vaccine against the coronavirus would have offset the damage and destruction and disruption that we’ve seen.

The big question, according to nearly everyone I spoke with, is whether we’ll manage to maintain this political and financial will over time. Racaniello and Daszak both remember being sure that after SARS and Ebola, pandemic prevention would be a priority; instead, each outbreak was quickly forgotten. And while it’s hard to imagine forgetting the current disaster, researchers worry that funding and attention will once again fade in the face of competing pressures. As Rancaniello observed, the combined 2019 budgets for the National Institutes of Health and the National Science Foundation was $47 billion — less than 7 percent of the $686 billion allocated to defense. “I would argue that viruses are just as much a threat as a bad nation would be to the military,” Racaniello said.

Or as Daszak put it: “We don’t think twice about the cost of protecting against terrorism. We go out there, we listen to the whispers, we send out the drones — we have a whole array of approaches. We need to start thinking about pandemics the same way.”

More at www.nytimes.com/2020/04/21/magazine/pandemic-vaccine.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:00 PM (P)

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Your father is driving 250 miles one way to bring him groceries? Or is he coming up from Florida to do that?

Your mixing up my old man and my step dad. The old man is in the south Chicago suburbs.

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Here's the thing.

You've spent a lot of time pretending that COVID-19 is just a flu/ cold. The facts say otherwise. The cold doesn't kill people. And yet in under 2 months COVID-19 has killed 53,755 people, so far. In under 2 months, that's more than all the influenza deaths combined in an entire flu year.

It has much more in common with the cold than the flu. The only problem here is that it is "novel". After it kills the people it's going to kill and herd immunity sets in, just like other coronaviruses it becomes just another form of the cold.

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Or if you don't believe the numbers, look at the news reports: dozens of trailers stacked with dead people, hospitals overflowing with COVID-10 patients, and mass graves. When did the last cold do that? The answer is never.

All in New York, and most of that in the City. Plenty of stories in the media stating that in most places in the country not only are hospitals not even close to capacity, but they've had to furlough workers because of the shut down. It's such a non-secret the media isn't even trying to hide that fact and a simple Google search will give you plenty of articles stating it.

If New York City itself were a state, it would have more deaths than the top 41 states of the union combined.

Stop focusing on New York.

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But then your logic zig-zags. Despite all the evidence, there's no risk you say -

- except for the old and 'weak'. And they should just be unaccommodated so they don't use up even the smallest bit of your life.

So on the one hand, you claim there's no risk to your family. And on the other hand you allow there's risk for the old and 'weak'. I'd say that category fits your father and brother. But apparently one idea in your brain hasn't run into the other idea. So you're perfectly fine with thinking any risk to the old and 'weak' is not worth doing anything about.

My old man isn't technically "old" yet. He's also quite healthy for a man his age. My brother has a disability, but he's not prone to getting sick.

I'm much more concerned about their mental well being than any small risk of physical problems from a virus that has a near zero chance of doing anything harmful to them. Particularly my brother who had a really bad hand dealt to him in life and has substance abuse issues. Being part of the community down there through church, activities and volunteer work was his life. Now he can't do any of those things, and he's forced to live alone with his thoughts every day.

I can only tell him "you and everybody else" when he starts complaining on the phone about how much he thinks life sucks right now before that starts getting old. It didn't help his state of mind at all when his governor decided to extend the lock down a full month this time until June 1st. At least before the extensions were about 2 weeks at a time, which at least gave the illusion of hope. Now he has to sit there knowing it will be at least 5 more weeks of this bullshit and that it can be extended again at that point.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Monday, April 27, 2020 12:42 AM (P)

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JACK:
It has much more in common with the cold than the flu. The only problem here is that it is "novel". After it kills the people it's going to kill and herd immunity sets in, just like other coronaviruses it becomes just another form of the cold.

It's nothing like a common cold. It has much more in common with SARS or MERS, also coronaviruses. And they're nothing like the common cold either. It's not even in the common cold category, it's specifically a SARS virus, and that fact's embedded its name: SARS-COV-2

You're focused on the word 'coronavirus' but you don't understand what it means. So, by way of analogy, it's like saying a shrew has a lot in common with a blue whale because they're both mammals ... and that means a shrew lives in the ocean full-time, and will die outside of it, just like a blue whale, because they're both mammals.

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Or if you don't believe the numbers, look at the news reports: dozens of trailers stacked with dead people, hospitals overflowing with COVID-10 patients, and mass graves. When did the last cold do that? The answer is never.

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All in New York, and most of that in the City. Plenty of stories in the media stating that in most places in the country not only are hospitals not even close to capacity, but they've had to furlough workers because of the shut down. It's such a non-secret the media isn't even trying to hide that fact and a simple Google search will give you plenty of articles stating it.

But all those deaths came with a mere 20% infection rate. If NYC gets to 80% infected, what do you think that would look like? If the rest of the country gets to 80% infected, what do you think that would look like?

And waiting for herd immunity assumes one does get immunity. While that's a hope, it's not a fact.

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If New York City itself were a state, it would have more deaths than the top 41 states of the union combined.

Stop focusing on New York.

NYC could be the future if SARS-COV-2 becomes epidemic anywhere else. It's a lesson on how bad things could get when 20% of the people get infected in such a short time.

One would hope to learn the right lessons and avoid that future. Right?

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But then your logic zig-zags. Despite all the evidence, there's no risk you say -

- except for the old and 'weak'. And they should just be unaccommodated so they don't use up even the smallest bit of your life.

So on the one hand, you claim there's no risk to your family. And on the other hand you allow there's risk for the old and 'weak'. I'd say that category fits your father and brother. But apparently one idea in your brain hasn't run into the other idea. So you're perfectly fine with thinking any risk to the old and 'weak' is not worth doing anything about.

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My old man isn't technically "old" yet. He's also quite healthy for a man his age.

I went looking for case fatality rates by age and found nothing less than a month old. But a majority of deaths occur over the age of 65. As for his health, do you know for a fact he doesn't have one or more risk factors?

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My brother has a disability, but he's not prone to getting sick.

Is he on medication? Then that means his systems are unstable, and prone to being knocked off of a precarious balance.

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I'm much more concerned about their mental well being than any small risk of physical problems from a virus that has a near zero chance of doing anything harmful to them.

That sort of bombastic bloviating doesn't earn you any credibility.

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Particularly my brother who had a really bad hand dealt to him in life and has substance abuse issues. Being part of the community down there through church, activities and volunteer work was his life. Now he can't do any of those things, and he's forced to live alone with his thoughts every day.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 27, 2020 10:17 AM (P)

I told you that I talk to them nearly every day.

One of my old man's favorite lines, even before this happened, is "I'm all talked out". He doesn't like talking on the phone. He's a bit more of a captive audience these days, but he still doesn't like talking on the phone.

My brother and I can talk for an hour or two one day, and the next day he doesn't want to talk much at all. It's no surprise. He's bi-polar. He's on meds, but meds aren't everything. He's lost everything that he cares about right now because of the shutdown.

My other brother might go down to visit him once per year, if he begs him enough. He doesn't give a shit.

My old man isn't going down unless he absolutely has to. The legacy media and my youngest brother with OCD have him a lot more paranoid about this whole thing than he'd ever lead on.

My car isn't going to make it down there. I go down there 4 or 5 times a year when my old man does. I was supposed to go last time, but his building told him that I can't. Only my dad can go down, and only to help him stock up on stuff and then he has to leave and can't stay overnight like we usually would.

Section 8 housing in Pritzker land. What are you going to do?

I've already offered that he could come live with me for a while. That offer is still on the table. Not much else I can do.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Monday, April 27, 2020 12:43 PM (P)

I gave you a ton of suggestions.

You silently shrugged.

I'm not going to respond to any more of your whinging about your relatives. If you can't be bothered, then neither can I.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 27, 2020 7:57 PM (P)

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I gave you a ton of suggestions.

You silently shrugged.

I'm not going to respond to any more of your whinging about your relatives. If you can't be bothered, then neither can I.

Your suggestions were call them (which I do) and drive down to my brother (which I can't).

My offer for him to live here temporarily is always on the table. They were going to do it and then all of the sudden they got cold feet about it. They're afraid that he can't go back to his place if things get even worse and more locked down in Illinois. His building is nearly all senior citizens outside of him and a few other younger people with disabilities.

It probably wouldn't help him too much if he was here. At least I could make sure he wasn't going to start drinking, but he still can't go to church or really do anything. It would make the old man feel better though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Monday, April 27, 2020 8:27 PM (P)

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I gave you a ton of suggestions.

You silently shrugged.

I'm not going to respond to any more of your whinging about your relatives. If you can't be bothered, then neither can I.

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JACK:

Your suggestions were call them (which I do) and drive down to my brother (which I can't).

My offer for him to live here temporarily is always on the table. They were going to do it and then all of the sudden they got cold feet about it. They're afraid that he can't go back to his place if things get even worse and more locked down in Illinois. His building is nearly all senior citizens outside of him and a few other younger people with disabilities.

It probably wouldn't help him too much if he was here. At least I could make sure he wasn't going to start drinking, but he still can't go to church or really do anything. It would make the old man feel better though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

That's your careless reading again. I made a ton of suggestions that don't involve YOU calling them to chit-chat, or driving there.

And get other relatives to call him OFTEN.
Ask him who's in his church group.
Get THEM to call him OFTEN.
Be observant and proactive. If there's something that he's not doing now that he used to do, find a way to make it happen in some fashion.
Get him out of the house.
Read his favorite bible passages over the phone.

Yes, it'll take time and effort. You may need to go WAY out of your comfort zone and spend a HUGE amount of time and effort.

You'll need to call your relatives and get them on board.
You'll need to suss out his church. You'll need to suss out those people. You'll need to get THEM on board to call him and establish regular, reliable contact - something he can count on, besides you. (ETA: as long as they don't try and cheer him out of his rut, or try to keep up an endlessly cheery facade with the expectation he'll join them. Their conversations should engage him in immediate things that are not COVID.)
If he has a doctor/ neurologist/ psychologist/ psychiatrist you might let them know what's going on. There's always a chance his depression is partially neurology-driven and so you might be fighting against the tide without medical help.
If he's drinking, how is he getting his alcohol? Stinkin' thinkin' and drinkin' can lead him to attempt suicide. It sounds like he's in an assisted care residence. Can you find a way to interrupt the drinkin' by finding out how he's getting it? Can you enlist the residence? Because they may be able to interrupt the drinkin'.
What can he do outside of his dwelling? Does he have a hobby or interest that can take him out of his depressed rut?
Does he have a reliable routine? Can you encourage that? I remember a friend talking to his mother every day when she was depressed. : Ma, did you take your medicine? Did you eat breakfast? How are you doing for food? Tell me, what's in your frig. Did you talk with (relative) today yet? Oh really?! How's she doing? : Being depressed often means you give up on regular daily at-home routines. Reestablishing them can help.

I have far more experience with that situation than I've posted about because (for the most part) I don't intrude on other people's privacy. If I posted about my experiences, I'd be posting about those people, too, which I almost never do (as you may have noticed). But there are things you can do to help. You can't guarantee results, but you can do whatever is in your power, and there's a lot of options.

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