Some Covid-19 thoughts

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:22 AM (P)

The first known suicide directly attributable to Covid-19

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Top Manhattan ER Doctor Commits Suicide After Treating Coronavirus Patients

In a shocking example of the psychic toll that those fighting on the front lines of the coronavirus outbreak endure, a top emergency room doctor who treated coronavirus patients at a hospital in Manhattan has committed suicide, the New York Times reports.

Dr. Lorna M. Breen, the medical director of the emergency department at New York-Presbyterian Allen Hospital, died in Virginia on Sunday, where she was staying with family, according to her father who discussed her death with the Times.

Her father said she had described to him "devastating scenes of the toll the coronavirus took on patients," the NYT reported.

"She tried to do her job, and it killed her," he said.

Breen's father, also an MD, said his daughter had contracted the virus, but had gone back to work after recuperating for about a week and a half. Then, the hospital sent her home again, but at this point her family moved to bring her back to Charlottesville, Va.

Breen, 49, had no history of mental illness, but when she last spoke with her father, she reportedly described a horrifying onslaught of patients found DOA in ambulances, all of them COVID-19 patients.

Dr. Breen

Her father asked the NYT to "make sure [Breen] is treated like a hero," since she died doing her job and protecting this country from a devastating health care epidemic.

"She was truly in the trenches of the front line," he said. "She’s a casualty just as much as anyone else who has died."

Dr. Lawrence A. Melniker, the vice chair for quality care at the NewYork-Presbyterian Brooklyn Methodist Hospital, told the NYT that Dr. Breen was well-respected and well-liked in their hospital system.

"You don’t get to a position like that at Allen without being very talented," he said.

The coronavirus has presented unusual mental health challenges for emergency physicians throughout New York, the epicenter of the crisis in the United States. As the paper added, while ER doctors are inured to treating patients will all kinds of grisly injuries, they're not accustomed to being at risk of infection themselves, or of passing it to their colleagues.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/top-manhattan-er-doctor-commits
-suicide-after-treating-coronavirus-patients

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

1KIKI

Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:46 AM (P)

There were hundreds on hundreds of deaths every day in hospitals in NYC. I estimated about 70 a day in each hospital on average. That's one code ending in death every 20 minutes, day and night, every day, for weeks.

That's not to mention the over a thousand admissions every day per hospital.

Or the unknown number of DOAs flooding in by ambulance.

I imagine there will be a lot of EMTs and paramedics, doctors, nurses, and aides who'll be subject to suicide in the short-term.

I imagine a far greater number will have PTSD and be subject to suicide in the long-term.

I imagine the anesthesiologists who intubated a lot of people at great risk to themselves, if they find out later intubation was not only not helpful, it might have been harmful.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:37 AM (P)

Posted not anonymously on Nextdoor

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A local Nurse's story. There is a Nurse who lives a few blocks away. We got to speak to her by chance. Haven't seen her in a long time. Asked how she was doing, and she responded with tears in her eyes. She said she is overwhelmed by the hours she puts in. Her main location is PIH, where she does a 12 hr. day. She said she is often called to help out at other Hospitals, which she is committed to help other health professionals. She said she often works close to a full day with only minimal breaks. We found out that reports of cases is not talked about because the priority is to try to save lives. She said she's had to use her same mask for weeks. She takes it off, and puts its in a plastic bag, and uses it again the next day. She's exhausted. Just listening to her makes you cry. We only hear how bad it is for them in the news, but to actually hear how bad it is in reality, gives a whole new insight into the suffering, on both sides. Thank you to all the health professionals, first responder for your beautiful commitment to save others. Bless you all.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

SIGNYM

Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:40 AM (P)

oops

1KIKI

Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:11 AM (P)

This will be like many of our recent, endless wars that chew up Americans, to be disposed later, quietly, one by one. Out of sight, out of mind.

If you weren't there, if you didn't know someone personally who it affected, it's just another story about someone else that's not real.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 28, 2020 7:38 AM (P)

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I gave you a ton of suggestions.

You silently shrugged.

I'm not going to respond to any more of your whinging about your relatives. If you can't be bothered, then neither can I.

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JACK:

Your suggestions were call them (which I do) and drive down to my brother (which I can't).

My offer for him to live here temporarily is always on the table. They were going to do it and then all of the sudden they got cold feet about it. They're afraid that he can't go back to his place if things get even worse and more locked down in Illinois. His building is nearly all senior citizens outside of him and a few other younger people with disabilities.

It probably wouldn't help him too much if he was here. At least I could make sure he wasn't going to start drinking, but he still can't go to church or really do anything. It would make the old man feel better though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
That's your careless reading again. I made a ton of suggestions that don't involve YOU calling them to chit-chat, or driving there.

And get other relatives to call him OFTEN.
Ask him who's in his church group.
Get THEM to call him OFTEN.
Be observant and proactive. If there's something that he's not doing now that he used to do, find a way to make it happen in some fashion.
Get him out of the house.
Read his favorite bible passages over the phone.

Yes, it'll take time and effort. You may need to go WAY out of your comfort zone and spend a HUGE amount of time and effort.

You'll need to call your relatives and get them on board.
You'll need to suss out his church. You'll need to suss out those people. You'll need to get THEM on board to call him and establish regular, reliable contact - something he can count on, besides you. (ETA: as long as they don't try and cheer him out of his rut, or try to keep up an endlessly cheery facade with the expectation he'll join them. Their conversations should engage him in immediate things that are not COVID.)
If he has a doctor/ neurologist/ psychologist/ psychiatrist you might let them know what's going on. There's always a chance his depression is partially neurology-driven and so you might be fighting against the tide without medical help.
If he's drinking, how is he getting his alcohol? Stinkin' thinkin' and drinkin' can lead him to attempt suicide. It sounds like he's in an assisted care residence. Can you find a way to interrupt the drinkin' by finding out how he's getting it? Can you enlist the residence? Because they may be able to interrupt the drinkin'.
What can he do outside of his dwelling? Does he have a hobby or interest that can take him out of his depressed rut?
Does he have a reliable routine? Can you encourage that? I remember a friend talking to his mother every day when she was depressed. : Ma, did you take your medicine? Did you eat breakfast? How are you doing for food? Tell me, what's in your frig. Did you talk with (relative) today yet? Oh really?! How's she doing? : Being depressed often means you give up on regular daily at-home routines. Reestablishing them can help.

I have far more experience with that situation than I've posted about because (for the most part) I don't intrude on other people's privacy. If I posted about my experiences, I'd be posting about those people, too, which I almost never do (as you may have noticed). But there are things you can do to help. You can't guarantee results, but you can do whatever is in your power, and there's a lot of options.

He doesn't have a routine now. I can tell that it's bad because he says even though he tries to go to sleep by 3AM he's staying up until 6 to 7AM a lot of the nights and some nights he's not even going to sleep. I told him that he's got to make a routine for himself, even if it's

BRENDA

Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:21 AM (P)

Good luck Jack. I hope you can help your brother.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:59 AM (P)

Thanks Brenda. :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:00 PM (P)

I'm glad you have a plan! I hope all goes well.

SECOND

Tuesday, April 28, 2020 3:49 PM (P)

Ezra Klein asked:

I was looking back at a paper you published in 2015 about preparing for pandemics. And the point you made there that was telling: We are constantly rehearsing for war against an enemy of another country. We’re constantly rehearsing as part of NATO or US military war games.

Pandemics are a well-known thing, they’ve happened throughout history. We knew one was going to come eventually. And we were not doing these pre-rehearsals. Why do you think it is that we are so much more focused on threats from each other than threats that come from nature?

Bill Gates answered:

I think part of it is that the minor epidemics we had really didn’t hit the US. If you look at the Asian countries that did well, many of them wrote down: step one, identify all PCR machines. [Polymerase chain reaction machines, used by laboratories to copy small segments of DNA.] Step two: get supplies for PCR machines. We haven’t done that in a reasonable way today, even though we have more machines per capita than anybody else.

Places like Taiwan or South Korea, because they were hit with MERS or SARS, had the playbook. They opened the playbook, they went through those steps, and it’s saved them 10 percent of GDP and immense human suffering that they took respiratory disease in a serious way.

The fact that a novel infectious disease hasn’t been in this country for so long allowed us to not think about it as a priority. I wish I’d been more successful in getting these investments made in advance. I think back: How could I have been louder, more articulate? Very little was done.

More at www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/2020/4/27/21236270/bill-gates-coronavi
rus-covid-19-plan-vaccines-conspiracies-podcast

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:01 PM (P)

Bill Gates is just about as qualified to talk about a pandemic as Wishy is.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:44 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Bill Gates is just about as qualified to talk about a pandemic as Wishy is.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Bill Gates gets published in The New England Journal of Medicine, April 9, 2015,
"The Next Epidemic — Lessons from Ebola"
www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1502918
"An epidemic is one of the few catastrophes that could set the world back drastically in the next few decades. By building a global warning and response system, we can prepare for it and prevent millions of deaths."

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14 PM (P)

Sorry not sorry.

Not interested in any of Bill Gates' new world order solutions to anything.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

BRENDA

Tuesday, April 28, 2020 11:58 PM (P)

Saskatchewan will be the first Canadian province to slowly reopen.

Next will probably be BC around the middle of May. That's what Dr. Bonnie is saying. BC only had 11 new cases over a 24 hour period that was from Sunday to Monday. Hospitalizations are down as is ICU cases.

Quebec and Ontario are also looking at when certain sectors can open there. But I wouldn't expect much until maybe June. Ontario might in May. Things seem to have stabalized back there. Fingers crossed.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:21 AM (P)

Lucky.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:40 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sorry not sorry.

Not interested in any of Bill Gates' new world order solutions to anything.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Yeah, me neither. Bill has invested heavily in vaccines and seed storage. Seems like he wants to be the guy in control during, and after, the apocalypse.

Some of Bill's vaccination efforts have led to serious widespread side effects, like his "flu" vaccine trial in the Philippines that caused so many spontaneous abortions and long-term infertility that many were speculating that the REAL purpose of the vaccine was to prevent childbearing, or the polio vaccine in India that left tens of thousands of kids with acute non-polio flaccid paralysis. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121585/

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

1KIKI

Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:48 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Lucky.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Naw. They just had better testing, contact tracing, and early stay-at-home, before infections ran out of control like a wildfire.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:47 AM (P)

Nah.

They're just not afraid of a cold.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

BRENDA

Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:45 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Lucky.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Fingers crossed.

News tonight Quebec has some dates for things to reopen in May. From the 4th to the 9th, retail, I think they said but only those shops that are on the street. All malls province wide are still closed. Also this is for Montreal. Then the 11th a few more things and outside Montreal. All of this of course will be closely monitored by Quebec's health officer.

Ontario has no dates yet and still looking at what can open. Don't blame either premier as both provinces took a bad hit from this virus. Also Doug Ford the premier of Ontario, his family too. His mother-in-law has contracted it.

As for BC, Dr. Bonnie is watching everything like a hawk, so we don't have any massive spikes.

THG

Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:59 PM (P)

April's poll shows that only 38.9 of those polled indicated they approved of Trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic, a drop of nearly ten points.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-coronavirus-response-a
pproval-rating-drops-10-points-in-poll/ar-BB13lA8o?ocid=msedgntp

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

SECOND

Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:03 PM (P)

Trump signaled Tuesday that he’s looking to condition coronavirus economic relief for blue states on complying with the administration’s immigration policy goals.

In remarks to reporters at a White House event with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, Trump said he’d be willing to give economic aid to Democratically controlled state governments, but he wants them to do something for him first — bend their sanctuary city policies to align with the administration’s desired policy.

Trump said he was only open to helping some states financially cover losses related to the coronavirus pandemic.

“I think there’s a big difference with a state that lost money because of Covid and a state that’s been run very badly for 25 years,” he said.

He then mentioned sates with sanctuary city policies.

“We’d have to talk about things like sanctuary cities, as an example. I think sanctuary cities is something that has to be brought up where people who are criminals are protected, they are protected from prosecution,” he told reporters, despite sanctuary city policies having nothing to do with the pandemic. “I think that has to be done. I think it’s one of the problems that the states have. I don’t even think they know they have a problem, but they have a big problem with the sanctuary situation.”

Later in the day, Trump reiterated his sanctuary city comments while taking questions from reporters at an East Room event to promote the success of the Payroll Protection Program. “If it’s Covid-related, I guess we can talk about [aid], but we’d want certain things also, including sanctuary city adjustments,” he said.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/28/21239903/trump-coronavirus-a
id-leverage-states-sanctuary-cities

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:04 PM (P)

Stop setting yourself up for a huge disappointment. Don't look at single polls and instead look at the aggregate.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_pres
ident_trumps_handling_of_the_coronavirus-7088.html

You also should read articles before you post them. This was in the middle of the article you linked.

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Even though Trump's approval ratings concerning how he has handled the country's response to the coronavirus have dropped, those surveyed still believed he would win a second term as president. While 43.3 percent of participants in the poll believed Biden would win the election, 56.7 percent believed Trump would emerge the victor.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:05 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Trump signaled Tuesday that he’s looking to condition coronavirus economic relief for blue states on complying with the administration’s immigration policy goals.

In remarks to reporters at a White House event with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, Trump said he’d be willing to give economic aid to Democratically controlled state governments, but he wants them to do something for him first — bend their sanctuary city policies to align with the administration’s desired policy.

Trump said he was only open to helping some states financially cover losses related to the coronavirus pandemic.

“I think there’s a big difference with a state that lost money because of Covid and a state that’s been run very badly for 25 years,” he said.

He then mentioned sates with sanctuary city policies.

“We’d have to talk about things like sanctuary cities, as an example. I think sanctuary cities is something that has to be brought up where people who are criminals are protected, they are protected from prosecution,” he told reporters, despite sanctuary city policies having nothing to do with the pandemic. “I think that has to be done. I think it’s one of the problems that the states have. I don’t even think they know they have a problem, but they have a big problem with the sanctuary situation.”

Later in the day, Trump reiterated his sanctuary city comments while taking questions from reporters at an East Room event to promote the success of the Payroll Protection Program. “If it’s Covid-related, I guess we can talk about [aid], but we’d want certain things also, including sanctuary city adjustments,” he said.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/28/21239903/trump-coronavirus-a
id-leverage-states-sanctuary-cities

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

More reason for Trump to be re-elected right here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

BRENDA

Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:58 PM (P)

To all of us I wish bonne chance.

To Quebec vive le belle province! And I will give a vive to Ontario as well. (Though they will not like it)

SECOND

Thursday, April 30, 2020 7:57 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

More reason for Trump to be re-elected right here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

South Korea, doing exactly the opposite of what Trump did, avoided all the drama caused by Trump's ineffectual response to Covid-19. But if you want to vote for a loudmouth braggart who is failing compared to South Korea, go right ahead.

How South Korea beat COVID-19 as the country reports no new cases

South Korea Reports No New Domestic Coronavirus Cases
www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/30/848181755/sou
th-korea-reports-no-new-domestic-coronavirus-cases

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:51 PM (P)

lol

Well there's no way I'm voting for a 2020 Democrat.

I don't know why you keep obsessing over Trump. You're just going to have to live with him for another 5 years and then we can have a Democrat screwing things up for everybody.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, May 1, 2020 1:30 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

Well there's no way I'm voting for a 2020 Democrat.

I don't know why you keep obsessing over Trump. You're just going to have to live with him for another 5 years and then we can have a Democrat screwing things up for everybody.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

"China will do anything they can to have me lose this race," Trump said. The Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs responded that the country had "no interest" in interfering in internal US affairs. "For some time, certain US politicians, in disregard of the facts, have attempted to shift their own responsibility for their poor handling of the epidemic to others," a ministry spokesman, Geng Shuang, said.

www.businessinsider.com/trump-says-china-using-coronavirus-make-him-lo
se-election-2020-4

The mortality numbers show Trump as the most incompetent leader on Earth, far worse than China:
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 1, 2020 3:45 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
"For some time, certain US politicians, in disregard of the facts, have attempted to shift their own responsibility for their poor handling of the epidemic to others," a ministry spokesman, Geng Shuang, said.

Yes. I know exactly what he means. Like three years of hearing that the poor handling of Hillary's campaign was really just Putin hackin' muh elections.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, May 1, 2020 4:33 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
"For some time, certain US politicians, in disregard of the facts, have attempted to shift their own responsibility for their poor handling of the epidemic to others," a ministry spokesman, Geng Shuang, said.

Yes. I know exactly what he means. Like three years of hearing that the poor handling of Hillary's campaign was really just Putin hackin' muh elections.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trump received 48.18% to Hillary's 47.46% in Pennsylvania, but Trump got 100% (equal to 20 votes) in the electoral college. It appears that the Founding Fathers never understood a run-off election when nobody gets 50%. In a run-off Trump would lose.

That's why Trump is President -- the Founding Fathers weren't that good at drafting a Constitution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election
_in_Pennsylvania

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THEGHOSTOFCHRISISALL

Friday, May 1, 2020 5:52 AM (P)

Hi. Just checking in. 5 more years of Trump, LOL. We barely survived 3. Another term and we go full-on Nazi. Pretty close as it is now. I'll check back in a few if Trump loses. If not we're all dead or dying in which case I won't.

1KIKI

Friday, May 1, 2020 6:30 AM (P)

Hi there GHOST!! Glad to see you around!

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 1, 2020 6:34 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
"For some time, certain US politicians, in disregard of the facts, have attempted to shift their own responsibility for their poor handling of the epidemic to others," a ministry spokesman, Geng Shuang, said.

Yes. I know exactly what he means. Like three years of hearing that the poor handling of Hillary's campaign was really just Putin hackin' muh elections.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Trump received 48.18% to Hillary's 47.46% in Pennsylvania, but Trump got 100% (equal to 20 votes) in the electoral college. It appears that the Founding Fathers never understood a run-off election when nobody gets 50%. In a run-off Trump would lose.

That's why Trump is President -- the Founding Fathers weren't that good at drafting a Constitution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election
_in_Pennsylvania

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Sounds like poor sportsmanship and a giant misunderstanding about how our country has worked for going on almost 250 years now.

Also sounds like that's your problem.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 1, 2020 6:35 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by TheGhostOfChrisisall:
Hi. Just checking in. 5 more years of Trump, LOL. We barely survived 3. Another term and we go full-on Nazi. Pretty close as it is now. I'll check back in a few if Trump loses. If not we're all dead or dying in which case I won't.

Nope. Can't say I miss Chrisisall.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, May 1, 2020 7:17 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Sounds like poor sportsmanship and a giant misunderstanding about how our country has worked for going on almost 250 years now.

Also sounds like that's your problem.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

My favorite example of how America does NOT work well is the 13th Amendment (ends slavery). A million people had to die to get it passed. Is a million dead anybody's idea of working well? Especially since other countries ended slavery without Civil Wars?

One more example of NOT working well: the 14th Amendment was intended to only make former slaves into new US citizens, but what it really did was to also make the children of illegal aliens US citizens. Republicans have been complaining for two centuries that Mexicans sneak into the US to give birth.

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendment/amen
dment-xiv

6ix, if you actually knew any true history, or even if you paid attention to what bonehead Trump is doing about Covid-19 compared to what S Korea or Taiwan are doing, you won't dare claim the US works well.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 1, 2020 8:25 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Sounds like poor sportsmanship and a giant misunderstanding about how our country has worked for going on almost 250 years now.

Also sounds like that's your problem.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
My favorite example of how America does NOT work well is the 13th Amendment (ends slavery). A million people had to die to get it passed. Is a million dead anybody's idea of working well? Especially since other countries ended slavery without Civil Wars?

One more example of NOT working well: the 14th Amendment was intended to only make former slaves into new US citizens, but what it really did was to also make the children of illegal aliens US citizens. Republicans have been complaining for two centuries that Mexicans sneak into the US to give birth.

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendment/amen
dment-xiv

6ix, if you actually knew any true history, or even if you paid attention to what bonehead Trump is doing about Covid-19 compared to what S Korea or Taiwan are doing, you won't dare claim the US works well.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

When did I say anything about it working well? Not just in my last reply, but in the entire post history I've had here.

I'd REALLY love to see evidence of that.

No...

I was simply making commentary on how much you bitch and whine when established rules don't work your way, but when you do have a chance to do something about it you don't.

I guess now is the time where I ask you for the 100th time where was Obama on the Electoral College the first two years of his presidency?

The answer to that question, of course, is he did not bring it up one single time during his presidency. Not once.

And we listened to you bitch and whine about it when Trump won in 2016. And we're going to here you bitch and whine about it when Trump wins again in November.

And then in 2024, assuming that Democrats don't really screw the pooch and somehow make it the first time that a single party had more than 8 years in my lifetime, Democrats will have control again and nobody is going to bring it up.

Because Democrats are fucking weirdos and crybabies that don't actually get anything done and wouldn't even recognize themselves in the mirror if they woke up one day and didn't have anything to bitch and whine about.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

BRENDA

Friday, May 1, 2020 9:26 AM (P)

Well, Nunavut has recorded its first case of Covid-19 today. Not good.

Also today BC reached 100 days since the province was first notified of the virus.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 1, 2020 9:59 AM (P)

Damn. How did it even get up there?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Friday, May 1, 2020 10:33 AM (P)

Vancouver - a national and international hub. Like San Fran, but better.

1KIKI

Friday, May 1, 2020 10:36 AM (P)

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2020/0319/A-health-officer-wi
th-a-fan-club-Meet-Canada-s-Dr.-Bonnie

A health officer with a fan club? Meet Canada’s Dr. Bonnie.

BRENDA

Friday, May 1, 2020 1:25 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Damn. How did it even get up there?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I've been trying to figure it out since I heard about it Jack.

BRENDA

Friday, May 1, 2020 1:27 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Vancouver - a national and international hub. Like San Fran, but better.

It could have gotten from BC to Nunavut for sure Kiki.

At least it is only 1 case.

BRENDA

Friday, May 1, 2020 1:30 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2020/0319/A-health-officer-wi
th-a-fan-club-Meet-Canada-s-Dr.-Bonnie

A health officer with a fan club? Meet Canada’s Dr. Bonnie.

Yes, she does. Poor woman gets so embarrassed when she's praised for her good job of handling this crisis. She's had her hair mentioned and she addressed that at a briefing because it looked different. There has been a song written for her.

SECOND

Friday, May 1, 2020 8:41 PM (P)

Coronavirus dashboard for April 30: the US has the worst record in the world, by far

The US leads the world by far in new infections (including per capita) and deaths; and is second among significant sized countries only to Spain among total cases per capita; while several other countries, including developing country Vietnam, have brought their caseloads to zero. This is abject failure on a horrid scale.

The total US population remains under total lockdown has declined substantially due mainly to the renegade States in the Confederacy.

Number of new and total reported Infections:
Number: South Korea: ZERO (4 detected from incoming flights at airport)
Number: Taiwan: ZERO
Number: Vietnam: ZERO

https://angrybearblog.com/2020/05/coronavirus-dashboard-for-april-30-t
he-us-has-the-worst-record-in-the-world-by-far.html

It is funny how Korea, Taiwan, and Vietnam don't have the turmoil fighting Covid-19 like America has. Something very inexplicable about that, but forget about it and Vote For Trump, our self-proclaimed Very Stable Genius.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 1, 2020 9:58 PM (P)

Shut up Commie.

Nobody gives a shit about your love for authoritarianism.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, May 1, 2020 11:08 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Shut up Commie.

Nobody gives a shit about your love for authoritarianism.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, you are the guy who demands human sacrifices for Trump's reelection. The inner logic of your thread "In Memoriam of the 156,154 people who died" is that no matter how many small people die it is of no importance so long as Big Man Trump survives. You have got a Mein Führer Complex.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63587&mid=10999
93#1099993

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Friday, May 1, 2020 11:26 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Shut up Commie.

Nobody gives a shit about your love for authoritarianism.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

And nobody gives a shit about your love for fascism.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

SECOND

Friday, May 1, 2020 11:27 PM (P)

Congressional Democrats are governing from the minority. Congressional Republicans don’t want the federal government to work and Democrats do.

Typically, in a crisis, the administration would be pushing to do more, do it faster, and the minority party would be deciding whether to block those efforts or attach their own ideological priorities onto them. That’s because the administration knows it will be blamed for failure. But the Trump administration has refused responsibility for the Covid-19 crisis, and it has repeatedly wanted both less funding and less authority than congressional Democrats want to give it.

“It’s the executive branch who normally takes control in a situation like this, and they haven’t,” says Sen. Brian Schatz (D-HI). “As a result, Democrats have stepped into the breach to minimize suffering. There are a lot of keyboard pundits who view this as a forfeiture of leverage, and I understand what they’re saying. But we have to be very clear: They’re talking about using suffering as leverage. That is what the Republicans do, not what we do.”

The result is that instead of acting like a minority party, Democrats are using much of their leverage to force Republicans to act like a majority party. Democrats are fighting for the policies that, if they work, Republicans will later take credit for. The testing program is a good example. Democrats forced the Trump administration to accept responsibility for a national testing strategy over the White House’s objections. But if the money and the strategy work, it’ll be Trump who runs on that success in November.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

BRENDA

Saturday, May 2, 2020 1:29 AM (P)

It is possible this case in Nunavut came from Northern Alberta. There's been an outbreak at an oil camp, and this person could have worked there but not having shown any symptoms was allowed to fly home. Then came up positive.

1KIKI

Saturday, May 2, 2020 1:45 AM (P)

Oh interesting!

I hope they do well with contact tracing and quarantine for everyone downstream, that this doesn't get a toehold in any community, and that everyone does well.

BRENDA

Saturday, May 2, 2020 3:37 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Oh interesting!

I hope they do well with contact tracing and quarantine for everyone downstream, that this doesn't get a toehold in any community, and that everyone does well.

That is just my theory since travel between provinces and territories is down to almost nil. It's the only thing I can think of.

The other oil camp workers who did test positive are in lockdown at the camp.

Communities that far north in Canada are small, so hopefully they will be alright and everyone this person travelled with should be notified and be in self-isolation for 14days.

1KIKI

Saturday, May 2, 2020 4:21 AM (P)

It's still something I'll keep in mind.

SECOND

Saturday, May 2, 2020 6:35 AM (P)

New Zealand has ‘effectively eliminated’ coronavirus. Here’s what they did right.
www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/2020/04/what-new-zealand-did-right-i
n-battling-coronavirus/

If there is a bright spot in the global response to the pandemic, it is surely New Zealand. While governments worldwide have vacillated on how to respond and ensuing cases of the virus have soared, New Zealand has set an uncompromising, science-driven example. Though the country didn’t ban travel from China until February 3 (a day after the United States) and its trajectory of new cases looked out of control in mid-March, austerity measures seemingly have brought COVID-19 to heel.

The country began mandatory quarantines for all visitors on March 15, one of the strictest policies in the world at the time, even though there were just six cases nationwide. Just 10 days later, it instituted a complete, countrywide lockdown, including a moratorium on domestic travel. The Level 4 restrictions meant grocery stores, pharmacies, hospitals, and petrol stations were the only commerce allowed; vehicle travel was restricted; and social interaction was limited to within households.

“We must fight by going hard and going early,” Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said in a statement to the nation on March 14.

Like an estimated 100,000-plus international visitors in New Zealand, we were stuck. The sudden austerity could have been a cause for panic. But each day, the 39-year-old Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, or “Jaz” as she’s popularly known, made clear, concise statements about the situation to the nation, bolstered by a team of scientists and health professionals. A few days after the lockdown, she announced that instead of just slowing the transmission of the virus, New Zealand had set a course of eradicating COVID-19 from its shores, by cutting off the arrival of new cases and choking out existing ones with the restrictions. “We have the opportunity to do something no other country has achieved: elimination of the virus,” said Ardern at one of her daily briefings.

More at www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/2020/04/what-new-zealand-did-right-i
n-battling-coronavirus/

or www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-zealand-has-effectively-eliminated-co
ronavirus-heres-what-they-did-right/ar-BB13qQYu?ocid=spartanntp

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Saturday, May 2, 2020 7:43 AM (P)

New Zealand, as a small island nation, has a long history of acting on the understanding that it has complete control of everything that crosses into it by human transport. There is no rabies, no mad cow disease or sheep scrapie or other TSEs, no African or regular swine fever ... in fact, when it comes to diseases, agricultural pests, and environmental invaders, there's a whole lot of nothings in NZ. https://www.mpi.govt.nz/dmsdocument/10466-statement-absence-of-specifi
ed-diseases-from-new-zealand

Good for them for taking advantage of their unique geography and their long understanding of controlling imported diseases in their country, and beating SARS-COV-2!

BRENDA

Saturday, May 2, 2020 9:16 AM (P)

It seems that the smallest province in Canada will be the first to reduce restrictions for its citizens. PEI which stands for Prince Edward Island is out of the gate first.

JO753

Saturday, May 2, 2020 9:30 AM (P)

Trumps bungling uv this iz sorta getting 'normal'.

This puts it bak into proper focus:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/04/trump-coronavirus-timelin
e/?utm_source=mj-newsletters&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=political-mojo-2020-05-01

Really, in a wizer time in history, he woud hav been executed a month ago.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, May 2, 2020 9:36 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Shut up Commie.

Nobody gives a shit about your love for authoritarianism.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
6ix, you are the guy who demands human sacrifices for Trump's reelection. The inner logic of your thread "In Memoriam of the 156,154 people who died" is that no matter how many small people die it is of no importance so long as Big Man Trump survives. You have got a Mein Führer Complex.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63587&mid=10999
93#1099993

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

This has nothing to do with Trump.

Trump wins the election no matter what.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

BRENDA

Saturday, May 2, 2020 1:28 PM (P)

I'm going to miss hearing about the Pow Wows that happen around the States and in Canada this summer.

SECOND

Saturday, May 2, 2020 6:08 PM (P)

'Once Upon a Virus': China mocks U.S. coronavirus response in Lego-like animation

www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-usa/once-upon-a-vi
rus-china-mocks-u-s-coronavirus-response-in-lego-like-animation-idUSKBN22E0C4

Ten years from now, when economists mull the exact moment the U.S. ceded the future to China this week’s events are sure to top the list of time-stamp candidates.

This was the week, after all, when Chinese President Xi Jinping tossed another 4 trillion yuan, or $565 billion, at an economy taking devastating coronavirus blows. The 4 trillion-yuan figure will sound familiar to students of 2008 and 2009, back when Beijing threw exactly that amount at plunging demand amid the “Lehman stock.”

It worked back then. China recovered rapidly from Wall Street’s crash thanks to aggressive infrastructure spending. By 2009, China was growing 8.7% again thanks to giant public works projects—six-lane highways, bridges, ports, new skyscraper-strewn commercial centers.

Now, as Xi’s Communist Party pulls a similar play, it’s hard not to lament this week’s missteps in Mitch McConnell’s Washington.

Within the same 24 hours during which Xi’s announced a nearly $600 billion plan to build even more airports, railways and power grids, Senate Majority Leader McConnell gave the thumbs down to comparable upgrades to America’s economic hardware.

More at www.forbes.com/sites/williampesek/2020/05/01/china-spends-600-billion-
to-trump-americas-economy/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, May 2, 2020 9:30 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
I'm going to miss hearing about the Pow Wows that happen around the States and in Canada this summer.

They might still happen.

I know everything is subject to revision right now, but my governor came out yesterday and made a very long announement about a plan to re-open our state. I didn't catch all of it because I was working in another room while it was going on and missed some of it.

But outside of 3 counties in the state, a large majority of things that were closed down will be opened up to 25 to 50% capacity on May 4th, with the other three counties opening them back up on May 11th.

If I really wanted to, I could schedule an appointment and take a long drive to get my haircut on Monday if I wanted to. I'm not going to do that though because I always wait for a coupon and they hadn't been sending any out with the shutdown.

They're allowing social gatherings of up to 25 people on those dates too.

Still no bars, gyms, etc. Though they're not enforcing it by law, they are strongly suggesting that anybody over 65 years old still keep themselves at home unless absolutely necessary and to wear a mask when social distancing isn't possible.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

BRENDA

Sunday, May 3, 2020 2:04 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
I'm going to miss hearing about the Pow Wows that happen around the States and in Canada this summer.

They might still happen.

I know everything is subject to revision right now, but my governor came out yesterday and made a very long announement about a plan to re-open our state. I didn't catch all of it because I was working in another room while it was going on and missed some of it.

But outside of 3 counties in the state, a large majority of things that were closed down will be opened up to 25 to 50% capacity on May 4th, with the other three counties opening them back up on May 11th.

If I really wanted to, I could schedule an appointment and take a long drive to get my haircut on Monday if I wanted to. I'm not going to do that though because I always wait for a coupon and they hadn't been sending any out with the shutdown.

They're allowing social gatherings of up to 25 people on those dates too.

Still no bars, gyms, etc. Though they're not enforcing it by law, they are strongly suggesting that anybody over 65 years old still keep themselves at home unless absolutely necessary and to wear a mask when social distancing isn't possible.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Pow wows happen in the summer and some are connected to the rodeos that happen around the US and I think there is one connected with the Calgary Stampede which is not happening and I doubt the rodeos in the US will be going a head either.

I would imagine the numbers of tribal members at each pow wow depends on how many can get there and if only 1 tribe is there. So could be 100 people and then people from outside the tribal communities coming to see what all the hoopla is about. To buy the crafts, food and watch the dancing and listen to the drums.

So, no. I don't think so. No tribe would be willing to chance it.

The only people that will be happy this summer with the situation is the animal rights people who show up and protest at rodeos.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, May 3, 2020 6:59 AM (P)

Ya gotta have hope.

I don't think this is all going to be around much longer.

A few years from now, nobody will even be talking about it anymore.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

BRENDA

Sunday, May 3, 2020 8:29 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Ya gotta have hope.

I don't think this is all going to be around much longer.

A few years from now, nobody will even be talking about it anymore.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I hear ya Jack. But I am not convinced.

This will be in the history books. Maybe not big chapters but it will be there.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, May 3, 2020 7:13 PM (P)

Well... I think at the very most I might hear about 9/11 once per year. But come to think of it, I don't even people talk about it on the anniversary anymore. That wasn't even 20 years ago now.

I think in the last 5 years the only time I really heard a lot about it is when Hillary Clinton fainted at the 9/11 memorial and was thrown into that white van back in 2016.

If this one sticks around longer I think it's going to be because the kids will remember that weird summer where everyone was wearing masks and summer break was 6 months long.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Monday, May 4, 2020 6:06 PM (P)

Will coronavirus change our attitudes to death? Quite the opposite

When an epidemic erupted in a pre-modern society such as medieval Europe, people of course feared for their lives and were devastated by the death of loved ones, but the main cultural reaction was one of resignation. Psychologists might call it “learned helplessness”. People told themselves it was God’s will – or perhaps divine retribution for the sins of humankind. Who are we to thwart God’s plans?

Attitudes today are the polar opposite. Whenever some disaster kills many people – a train accident, a high-rise fire, even a hurricane – we tend to view it as a preventable human failure rather than as divine punishment or an inevitable natural calamity. If the train company didn’t stint on its safety budget, if the municipality had adopted better fire regulations, and if the government had sent help quicker – these people could have been saved. In the 21st century, mass death has become an automatic reason for lawsuits and investigations.

This is our attitude towards plagues, too. While some religious preachers were quick to describe Aids as God’s punishment for gay people, modern society mercifully relegated such views to its lunatic fringes, and these days we generally view the spread of Aids, Ebola and other recent epidemics as organisational failures. We assume that humankind has the knowledge and tools necessary to curb such plagues, and if an infectious disease nevertheless gets out of control, it is due to human incompetence rather than divine anger. Covid-19 is no exception to this rule. The crisis is far from over, yet the blame game has already begun. Different countries accuse one another. Rival politicians throw responsibility from one to the other like a hand-grenade without a pin.

Some might well argue that the crisis should teach us humility. We shouldn’t be so sure of our ability to subdue the forces of nature. Many of these naysayers are medieval holdouts, who preach humility while being 100% certain that they know all the right answers. Some bigots cannot help themselves – a pastor who leads weekly Bible study for Donald Trump’s cabinet has argued that this epidemic too is divine punishment for homosexuality. But even most paragons of tradition nowadays put their trust in science rather than in scripture.

The present crisis might indeed make many individuals more aware of the impermanent nature of human life and human achievements. Nevertheless, our modern civilisation as a whole will most probably go in the opposite direction. Reminded of its fragility, it will react by building stronger defences. When the present crisis is over, I don’t expect we will see a significant increase in the budgets of philosophy departments. But I bet we will see a massive increase in the budgets of medical schools and healthcare systems.

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/apr/20/yuval-noah-harari-will-coronavir
us-change-our-attitudes-to-death-quite-the-opposite

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

BRENDA

Monday, May 4, 2020 11:17 PM (P)

Probably right Second. When I hear preachers saying that it is divine retribution for some "sin" humanity has committed, I just roll my eyes at such people.

There are always holdovers from some by gone era in the world. I mean there are still "Flat Earth" societies for crying out loud.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, May 5, 2020 6:09 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Will coronavirus change our attitudes to death? Quite the opposite

When an epidemic erupted in a pre-modern society such as medieval Europe, people of course feared for their lives and were devastated by the death of loved ones, but the main cultural reaction was one of resignation. Psychologists might call it “learned helplessness”. People told themselves it was God’s will – or perhaps divine retribution for the sins of humankind. Who are we to thwart God’s plans?

Attitudes today are the polar opposite. Whenever some disaster kills many people – a train accident, a high-rise fire, even a hurricane – we tend to view it as a preventable human failure rather than as divine punishment or an inevitable natural calamity. If the train company didn’t stint on its safety budget, if the municipality had adopted better fire regulations, and if the government had sent help quicker – these people could have been saved. In the 21st century, mass death has become an automatic reason for lawsuits and investigations.

This is our attitude towards plagues, too. While some religious preachers were quick to describe Aids as God’s punishment for gay people, modern society mercifully relegated such views to its lunatic fringes, and these days we generally view the spread of Aids, Ebola and other recent epidemics as organisational failures. We assume that humankind has the knowledge and tools necessary to curb such plagues, and if an infectious disease nevertheless gets out of control, it is due to human incompetence rather than divine anger. Covid-19 is no exception to this rule. The crisis is far from over, yet the blame game has already begun. Different countries accuse one another. Rival politicians throw responsibility from one to the other like a hand-grenade without a pin.

Some might well argue that the crisis should teach us humility. We shouldn’t be so sure of our ability to subdue the forces of nature. Many of these naysayers are medieval holdouts, who preach humility while being 100% certain that they know all the right answers. Some bigots cannot help themselves – a pastor who leads weekly Bible study for Donald Trump’s cabinet has argued that this epidemic too is divine punishment for homosexuality. But even most paragons of tradition nowadays put their trust in science rather than in scripture.

The present crisis might indeed make many individuals more aware of the impermanent nature of human life and human achievements. Nevertheless, our modern civilisation as a whole will most probably go in the opposite direction. Reminded of its fragility, it will react by building stronger defences. When the present crisis is over, I don’t expect we will see a significant increase in the budgets of philosophy departments. But I bet we will see a massive increase in the budgets of medical schools and healthcare systems.

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/apr/20/yuval-noah-harari-will-coronavir
us-change-our-attitudes-to-death-quite-the-opposite

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Or...

AKA None of the above.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

BRENDA

Tuesday, May 5, 2020 9:17 AM (P)

Looks like Nunavut does not have a case of Covid-19 on its hands. False positive.

BRENDA

Tuesday, May 5, 2020 9:20 AM (P)

Also Hollywood North may be back in business. It will mean some drastic changes but I think it can be done.

Also hockey may be back as well. Vancouver and Edmonton being the hubs. Hotels around Rogers arena in Vancouver can accommodate 8 NHL teams. The arena in Edmonton has practice facilities around it as well as hotels.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, May 5, 2020 9:46 AM (P)

Not being a sports fan at all, I've said since the beginning they need to bring sports back at least in some workable form ASAP. That's an important part of life for a lot of people, frivolous as it may be.

I hope the NHL can work with Canada and make that happen.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

BRENDA

Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:58 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not being a sports fan at all, I've said since the beginning they need to bring sports back at least in some workable form ASAP. That's an important part of life for a lot of people, frivolous as it may be.

I hope the NHL can work with Canada and make that happen.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Dr. Bonnie Henry, BC's chief medical officer seems to think its doable. The games would be televised but without any fans in the arena.

She even thinks some kids sports like little league is possible as well.

1KIKI

Tuesday, May 5, 2020 1:37 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Looks like Nunavut does not have a case of Covid-19 on its hands. False positive.

FANTASTIC!!!

BRENDA

Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:22 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Looks like Nunavut does not have a case of Covid-19 on its hands. False positive.
FANTASTIC!!!

I know. I let out a biiiiig sigh of relief on that one.

BRENDA

Wednesday, May 6, 2020 9:30 AM (P)

BC today has finally logged a day with single digit cases. Only 8. The Premier of my province is set to make a big speech tomorrow mainly to do with slowly reopening things.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:22 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
BC today has finally logged a day with single digit cases. Only 8. The Premier of my province is set to make a big speech tomorrow mainly to do with slowly reopening things.

I wish you all the best with that, Brenda. I hope people observe some distancing out of caution, and remember what Zoe said, "Wash! Wash! Wash!

BRENDA

Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:35 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
BC today has finally logged a day with single digit cases. Only 8. The Premier of my province is set to make a big speech tomorrow mainly to do with slowly reopening things.

I wish you all the best with that, Brenda. I hope people observe some distancing out of caution, and remember what Zoe said, "Wash! Wash! Wash!

Oh, social distancing will still be in place and as Dr. Bonnie says, "Less faces, bigger spaces."

Dr. Bonnie really only ordered the shut down of hair and nail salons, barber shops and tattoo parlours. Everyone who shut down did voluntarily out of concern for their workers and their fellow citizens.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, May 7, 2020 12:55 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
BC today has finally logged a day with single digit cases. Only 8. The Premier of my province is set to make a big speech tomorrow mainly to do with slowly reopening things.

I wish you all the best with that, Brenda. I hope people observe some distancing out of caution, and remember what Zoe said, "Wash! Wash! Wash!

Oh, social distancing will still be in place and as Dr. Bonnie says, "Less faces, bigger spaces."

Dr. Bonnie really only ordered the shut down of hair and nail salons, barber shops and tattoo parlours. Everyone who shut down did voluntarily out of concern for their workers and their fellow citizens.

How civilized - it restores my faith in humans. I wish we had the same attitude down here. It feels like everywhere else is doing it better than the US.

BRENDA

Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:31 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
BC today has finally logged a day with single digit cases. Only 8. The Premier of my province is set to make a big speech tomorrow mainly to do with slowly reopening things.

I wish you all the best with that, Brenda. I hope people observe some distancing out of caution, and remember what Zoe said, "Wash! Wash! Wash!

Oh, social distancing will still be in place and as Dr. Bonnie says, "Less faces, bigger spaces."

Dr. Bonnie really only ordered the shut down of hair and nail salons, barber shops and tattoo parlours. Everyone who shut down did voluntarily out of concern for their workers and their fellow citizens.

How civilized - it restores my faith in humans. I wish we had the same attitude down here. It feels like everywhere else is doing it better than the US.

It's been okay up here. But Vancouver has seen a spike in hate crimes towards Asians unfortunately.

The flipside of the bad is that restaurants around Vancouver and other cities have been making meals and delivering them to the hospitals, so the staff don't have to worry about going out and such.

BRENDA

Thursday, May 7, 2020 9:13 AM (P)

May 19th restaurants and retail can open in BC.

Mid-June we are looking at dentists, barber shops, hair salons, massage therapists and the like to open on a more regular bases. And other stuff like gyms and such over the summer into September.

All of this is of course based on, that they provide a plan to the government to show what changes they have made to their business to provide a safe work environment for their staff and customers.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, May 7, 2020 9:16 AM (P)

I know you're into that whole Dr. Bonnie thing, but the idea of one "likable" person kind of dictating a bunch of stuff is creeping me out a little.

You're kind of giving me the Big Sister from Canada heebie-jeebies, Brenda.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

BRENDA

Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:40 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I know you're into that whole Dr. Bonnie thing, but the idea of one "likable" person kind of dictating a bunch of stuff is creeping me out a little.

You're kind of giving me the Big Sister from Canada heebie-jeebies, Brenda.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

She's the chief medical officer and she isn't dictating that much. Premier Horgan gave the time line for the economy to reopen in BC in his speech yesterday.

I am sure that once things settle down a little more, all chief medical officers in Canada that have been seen on the tv will fade into the background once again, Jack.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, May 7, 2020 6:11 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I know you're into that whole Dr. Bonnie thing, but the idea of one "likable" person kind of dictating a bunch of stuff is creeping me out a little.

You're kind of giving me the Big Sister from Canada heebie-jeebies, Brenda.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

She's the chief medical officer and she isn't dictating that much. Premier Horgan gave the time line for the economy to reopen in BC in his speech yesterday.

I am sure that once things settle down a little more, all chief medical officers in Canada that have been seen on the tv will fade into the background once again, Jack.

Yeah... I know. It probably says more about me.

I'm just picturing people walking around in Canada right now wearing T-shirts that say "I Love Dr. Bonnie".

lol...

Just for shits and gigs, I looked up "I Love Dr. Bonnie" in Google images. Surprisingly, there weren't any t-shirts that said that...

But this is 2020. We don't say things like that anymore.

We say things like this:

https://twitter.com/BerlandaC/status/1257082138064596992

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Christina Berlanda
@BerlandaC
Pardon my French (in a good way). Yesssss!!!! Our matching tees just got hand-delivered to me out in the gardy today(from a safe distance of course). 100% bad ass & 100% of the proceeds go to the @RainbowKitchen5
Love them and soooooo soft! #drbonniehenry true grace under fire!!

And make T-Shirts like this:

Do Right, Be Right. :)

BRENDA

Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:07 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I know you're into that whole Dr. Bonnie thing, but the idea of one "likable" person kind of dictating a bunch of stuff is creeping me out a little.

You're kind of giving me the Big Sister from Canada heebie-jeebies, Brenda.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

She's the chief medical officer and she isn't dictating that much. Premier Horgan gave the time line for the economy to reopen in BC in his speech yesterday.

I am sure that once things settle down a little more, all chief medical officers in Canada that have been seen on the tv will fade into the background once again, Jack.

Yeah... I know. It probably says more about me.

I'm just picturing people walking around in Canada right now wearing T-shirts that say "I Love Dr. Bonnie".

lol...

Just for shits and gigs, I looked up "I Love Dr. Bonnie" in Google images. Surprisingly, there weren't any t-shirts that said that...

But this is 2020. We don't say things like that anymore.

We say things like this:

https://twitter.com/BerlandaC/status/1257082138064596992

Quote:
Christina Berlanda
@BerlandaC
Pardon my French (in a good way). Yesssss!!!! Our matching tees just got hand-delivered to me out in the gardy today(from a safe distance of course). 100% bad ass & 100% of the proceeds go to the @RainbowKitchen5
Love them and soooooo soft! #drbonniehenry true grace under fire!!

And make T-Shirts like this:

Do Right, Be Right. :)

No worries Jack.

And truthfully I wouldn't put something like that past some people.

I have not seen t-shirts like that at all. They are cute but they too will disappear.

BRENDA

Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:15 PM (P)

Also sign language interpreters getting kudos as well for a hard job relaying and keeping that segment of society informed at these briefings.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 8, 2020 3:37 AM (P)

It will be nice when this is all over. Everything just seems a little bit too Ministry of Truth for me these days.

I've heard there's sign language on everything right now. The few times I saw my Governor speak he had an interpreter.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

BRENDA

Friday, May 8, 2020 9:18 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It will be nice when this is all over. Everything just seems a little bit too Ministry of Truth for me these days.

I've heard there's sign language on everything right now. The few times I saw my Governor speak he had an interpreter.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

It will be. I can't disagree with that.

It's hard to get this kind of information out to people with hearing problems. So the interpreters. I'm glad they are there. I don't know sign language but I still have a portion of my hearing. And you can't always count on Close Captioning as it can be slow on the screen, so having someone doing sign language keeps up with the speaker whoever they are.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 8, 2020 9:59 AM (P)

It's official.

Jon is the new name for a Male Karen.

https://twitter.com/ChipotleTweets/status/1258119347098144768

Chipotle gets ratioed to oblivion for a Tweet responding to whiny beta bitch @JustJon tweeting pictures of Chipotle employees not wearing a mask and tattling on them.

It looks like a hell of a lot of people are never going to eat there again if anything happens to any of those employees.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Friday, May 8, 2020 10:20 AM (P)

"Some Covid-19 thoughts"

For your post to be OT JACK, you'd have to have - yanno - thoughts.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 8, 2020 10:22 AM (P)

It is on topic.

It's about your fellow Karens and how everybody hates them and their shitty behavior.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Friday, May 8, 2020 10:56 AM (P)

Same bullshit. Different day.

1KIKI

Friday, May 8, 2020 10:58 AM (P)

Meanwhile, YOU have become just like SECOND. He thinks Trump can do no right, and rationalizes coups. YOU are now so hyper-partisan, you can't imagine that Trump could do any wrong - ever - and you rationalize deaths.

JACK and SECOND - two peas in a pod.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 8, 2020 2:24 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Meanwhile, YOU have become just like SECOND. He thinks Trump can do no right, and rationalizes coups. YOU are now so hyper-partisan, you can't imagine that Trump could do any wrong - ever - and you rationalize deaths.

JACK and SECOND - two peas in a pod.

There's nobody in the world that can "do no wrong - ever".

Your little list on the other thread was bullshit though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Friday, May 8, 2020 2:37 PM (P)

Stupid monkey ... though it's pretty cute when some of us think that they've got everything figured out.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 8, 2020 8:19 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Stupid monkey ... though it's pretty cute when some of us think that they've got everything figured out.

OK. That applies equally to both of us, just so you know.

You're basing your beliefs on immediate statistics that may or may not be accurate, and a very limited testing pool in a very, very large petri dish. I'm basing mine in historical trends and going on several decades obvious bad journalism to the point of propaganda.

Time is going to be the only thing that proves which of us is right.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Friday, May 8, 2020 9:06 PM (P)

AKA None of the above.

SECOND

Saturday, May 9, 2020 6:22 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Meanwhile, YOU have become just like SECOND. He thinks Trump can do no right, and rationalizes coups. YOU are now so hyper-partisan, you can't imagine that Trump could do any wrong - ever - and you rationalize deaths.

JACK and SECOND - two peas in a pod.

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany sought to reassure the news media that the White House Covid-19 testing procedures are sound. I wanted to draw attention to this quote from McEnany:

“We have put in place the guidelines that our experts have put forward to keep this building safe, which means contact tracing," McEnany told reporters during Friday’s news briefing. "All of the recommended guidelines we have for businesses that have essential workers, we are now putting them in place here in the White House. So as America reopens safely, the White House is continuing to operate safely.”

The careful reader will note a jarring juxtaposition here. McEnany claims both that the United States is reopening safely and that the White House is operating safely. But only one of these two — the White House — actually has the sort of testing regime the White House itself is now implicitly acknowledging is a prerequisite to safety.

The rest of the country largely lacks this level of testing — because Trump doesn’t want to take the steps necessary to stand up a robust federal testing regime.

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/08/single-kayleigh-mcenany-quo
te-gives-away-game/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Saturday, May 9, 2020 10:42 PM (P)

You might feel blindsided by the coronavirus, but warnings about a looming pandemic have been there for decades. Government briefings, science journals and even popular fiction projected the spread of a novel virus and the economic impacts it would bring, complete often with details about the specific challenges the U.S. is now facing.

It makes you wonder: What else are we missing? What other catastrophes are coming that we aren’t planning for, but that could disrupt our lives, homes, jobs or our broader society in the next few years or decades?

It’s the government’s job to think about this: Every year, the intelligence community releases the Worldwide Threat Assessment—a distillation of worrisome global trends, risks, problem spots and emerging perils. But this year, the public hearing on the assessment, usually held in January or February, was canceled, evidently because intelligence leaders, who usually testify in a rare open hearing together, were worried their comments would aggravate President Donald Trump. And the government has not yet publicly released a 2020 threat report.

What would it say? Since there’s been no public version, we’ve compiled our own here, reviewing numerous government and academic reports and speaking with more than a dozen thought leaders, including scientists, researchers and current and former national security and intelligence officials.

What follows is POLITICO Magazine’s “Domestic Threat Assessment”—a list of the most significant events that might impact the United States over the next 30 to 50 years. These are threats that seem rare, but that over a given period are almost guaranteed to occur—events that politicians have a hard time understanding.

More at www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/05/07/experts-knew-pandemic-was-co
ming-what-they-fear-next-238686

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Sunday, May 10, 2020 2:24 AM (P)

CEOs Who Came to Meet Pence in Masks Were Asked to Remove Them

Mike Pence was unmasked in Iowa on Friday, attending two events without covering his face, even though public health officials say masks slow the spread of the deadly coronavirus and one of the vice president’s aides tested positive for Covid-19 just before he departed Washington.

What’s more, a live video stream of the second event, a roundtable discussion with food industry leaders in Des Moines, showed that all five of the invited guests arrived wearing masks but were asked to remove them shortly before the vice president joined them on stage.

The request underscored just how committed the White House is to ignoring federal health advice intended to slow the spread of the pandemic coronavirus.

After the event, at which the chief executive of Smithfield Foods choked up when mentioning the death of a worker from Covid-19, the union that represents Iowa meat-packers, who have been forced back to work by an executive order from the president despite outbreaks at their plants, suggested that it would have been more useful for Pence, Perdue, Grassley and Ernst to have worked a shift alongside them. “They should work in the same conditions and under the same fear that our members and their fellow Iowans work under every day,” the United Food and Commercial Workers union said in a statement.

More at https://theintercept.com/2020/05/09/pence-aides-positive-covid-19-test
-exposes-folly-white-house-aversion-masks/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 10, 2020 3:41 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
You might feel blindsided by the coronavirus, but warnings about a looming pandemic have been there for decades. Government briefings, science journals and even popular fiction projected the spread of a novel virus and the economic impacts it would bring, complete often with details about the specific challenges the U.S. is now facing.

So, lack of prepardeness isn't ONLY Trump's fault?

Quote:
It makes you wonder: What else are we missing? What other catastrophes are coming that we aren’t planning for, but that could disrupt our lives, homes, jobs or our broader society in the next few years or decades?

Jeezus, what have I been harping on for YEARS? There are large natural disasters ...

Large earthquakes
Hurricanes
Massive flooding
Blizzards
Volanic eruptions (including supervolcanoes)
Meteor strikes
Wildfires
Drought
Epidemic/pandemic human disease
Crop failure/disease/insect damage
And last, but certainly not least ... EMPs

And then there are manmade ones...

War, including nuclear war
Social unrest, including civil war and ethnic cleansing
Massive cyberattack on banks, the power grid, water treatment etc
Currency collapse
Sanctions which limit vital supplies like oil
The creation and failure of any part of long, fragile supply lines
Infrastructural decay or sudden catastrophic failure (power grid overload, dam collpase, road and bridge failures)

Quote:
It’s the government’s job to think about this: Every year, the intelligence community releases the Worldwide Threat Assessment—a distillation of worrisome global trends, risks, problem spots and emerging perils. But this year, the public hearing on the assessment, usually held in January or February, was canceled, evidently because intelligence leaders, who usually testify in a rare open hearing together, were worried their comments would aggravate President Donald Trump. And the government has not yet publicly released a 2020 threat report.

I don't need a "threat report", I have a pretty good grasp of what might go wrong just by looking at history. And these
threat reports" are usually kinked ... not towards "preparedness" but how to spend more $$$ on the "intelligence community" and the MIC. They're just self-serving grabs for money and power.
Do you want to know how I know this?
Because we have been woefully unprepared at the national level for every large disaster that has occurred in the past two decades (or more) ... Katrina, the Great Recession, and the Pandemic of 2019 all caught each administration flat-footed.

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Blah blah blah

Preparedness for just about every kind of disaster tends to run along the same lines...

Local and regional production, which is redundant
On-hand surplus of cash, water, food, medicine and other essential goods at the individual, city, and regional level
Decentralized power, water, transportation and sanitation grids
Specific rescue equipment at the state and national level - pumps, cranes, 'dozers, fire-fighting aircraft, pop-up hospitals, portable generators etc
Communication and pre-planning (required of CONGRESS as well) plus technical expertise

It doesn't take rocket science to figure this out. But prepardeness takes money. It requires that people be individually and collectively "inefficient" by investing in surplus and redundant production.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

THG

Sunday, May 10, 2020 7:32 PM (P)

Sigs at it again. She argues nothing matters if it's not literally the worst thing happening or has happened. This style of argument is popular with sig who knows she is doing something wrong when applying it.

Sig is fully aware that she is covering up Trumps failures as she posts her attempts at fallacy of relative privation. Pointing to other unrelated disasters in an attempt to minimize Trumps Coronavirus response failures.

Crawl back under your rock sig. We've seen this from you a hundred times and more.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

SECOND

Sunday, May 10, 2020 7:55 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

It doesn't take rocket science to figure this out. But prepardeness takes money. It requires that people be individually and collectively "inefficient" by investing in surplus and redundant production.

An Average American may understand, intellectually, that what he is doing is wrong, but he doesn’t feel it. He knows the words but not the music. He just don’t have the circuitry in his brain constantly and relentlessly directing him to prepare. So he doesn't. Multiply the average American by 150 or 200 million and the answer is America as it is today. Or if you think globally, multiply by 3 or 4 billion average humans and the answer is the World as it is today, unprepared and with brains unwilling to prepare. You might notice that it is not everyone missing critical brain circuitry, just the majority, and in a Democracy lifting the dead-weight of the unresponsive/apathetic/uncomprehending majority who refuse to pay for preparations can make it difficult or impossible to prepare America. The heaviest dead-weight American? Trump.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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