Some Covid-19 thoughts

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SIGNYM

Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:10 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Sigs at it again. She argues nothing matters if it's not literally the worst thing happening or has happened. This style of argument is popular with sig who knows she is doing something wrong when applying it.

Sig is fully aware that she is covering up Trumps failures as she posts her attempts at fallacy of relative privation. Pointing to other unrelated disasters in an attempt to minimize Trumps Coronavirus response failures.

Crawl back under your rock sig. We've seen this from you a hundred times and more.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

I have absolutely no idea what you're posting about, and I don't think you know either.

OF COURSE we should be prepared! When I ask What is in America's interests one thing that I argue for, over and over and over and over, is ruggedness: the ability to survive unexpected bad fortune of ANY kind.

The problem is, lack of preparedness/fragility is a natural outgrowth of our economy and our finacialism: If you have a production economy which selects entities which make maximim profit, these are the entities that trim costs in ways that inevitably make the system fragile:

Production in large centralized facilities, which takes advantage of economies of scale to produce at the lowest cost. This leads to dependence on faraway plants that become inaccessible if they blow up/burn down/suffer an outage, or if supply lines are interrupted by natural or manmade disaster, as they are now. Have you tried to buy ANYthing that isn't food, lately? Screws, bolts, conduit, brackets, toilet paper, spray bottles ...? Much empty inventory because all made in China.

No inventory and just-in-time delivery. Sure, it saves on the cost of keeping parts on-hand but, once again, if your supply lines are interrupted your production is fucked.

No spare cash. The BANKS sure don't want you to be solvent- in their bookkeeping, your savings is their liability. (Yes, I know, it sounds backwards but that's how they look at things.) Banks are in the business of making money, NOT by helping you sve but by getting you to BORROW. What's worse is that they literally make that money upout of tin air (fractional reserve banking) so they get to charge real interest on money that make up out of nothing. Because banks are such powerful institutions they have turned us into a nation of debtors, not savers.

NATURE's resiliency is based on redundancy. NATURE, which has been time-tested thru millenia for both efficiency and resiliancy, has come up with a model that is more disaster-proof than ours. Our model only rewards efficiency, not resiliency, and is thus subject to many shocks large and small.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Sunday, May 10, 2020 9:42 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Have you tried to buy ANYthing that isn't food, lately? Screws, bolts, conduit, brackets, toilet paper, spray bottles ...? Much empty inventory because all made in China.

Oh, the horror! I just built 3 rolling planters from sh*t I had too much of. Old wood that should have been burned, repurposed. Who doesn't have too many screws, bolts and stuff laying around? If you have a house you have plenty of that stuff. At least, my neighbors and I do. What the heck are you building?? Rocket ship?

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No inventory and just-in-time delivery. Sure, it saves on the cost of keeping parts on-hand but, once again, if your supply lines are interrupted your production is fucked.

You can't base supply lines on a 100 year pandemic, m'kay?

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No spare cash. The BANKS sure don't want you to be solvent- in their bookkeeping, your savings is their liability. (Yes, I know, it sounds backwards but that's how they look at things.) Banks are in the business of making money, NOT by helping you sve but by getting you to BORROW. What's worse is that they literally make that money upout of tin air (fractional reserve banking) so they get to charge real interest on money that make up out of nothing. Because banks are such powerful institutions they have turned us into a nation of debtors, not savers.

NATURE's resiliency is based on redundancy. NATURE, which has been time-tested thru millenia for both efficiency and resiliancy, has come up with a model that is more disaster-proof than ours. Our model only rewards efficiency, not resiliency, and is thus subject to many shocks large and small.

Only the mighty SIG can save us!

It's so easy when you can just wave a magic wand.

1KIKI

Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:57 PM (P)

For SURE our supply chain is effed up! ... and it's not just Signy saying it, many others are pointing out the same thing. Here's one example: "Special Report - China has near-total control of the world’s antibiotic supply. Is America at risk as a result?" https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/28/china-has-near-total-control-of-th
e-worlds-antibiotic-supply-is-america-at-risk-as-a-result/

The same could be said about chip manufacture, rare earth mining and refining, electronics, textiles, steel etc ... and on the back end waste recycling.

I know I'm not comfortable thinking, for example, that if I were to need antibiotics for a life-threatening infection the supply might have been choked off by China. It seems like a no-brainer to me to want to bring control of critical processes back into the US. It would be in MY interest to see that happen! And it would be in YOUR interest, too. As Americans.

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:07 PM (P)

Quote:
US Has 'Limited' Ability To Manufacture Coronavirus Treatments, Vaccines

Or PPEs, for that matter. Or fine chemicals. Or steel. Or plastic. Or housewares. Or just about anything that you base a modern economy on.

Quote:
A pharmaceutical company CEO says that while the United States may have the capability to deliver coronavirus treatments - if and when available - that the US has limited capacity to manufacture said treatments.

"Our distribution capabilities work. I'm not worried about that," said Leonard Schleifer, CEO of pharmaceutical company Regeneron, which is working on a coronavirus treatment. "Our manufacturing capacity, on the other hand...I think our capacity is limited," he added.

It's not only a 100=year pandemic to prepare for. There is a whole list of catastrophes and disasters, both natural and manmade, that can affect your standard of living.

One example, which I've brought up more than once, is THE factory in Japan that made THE plastic used in memories. When it burned down, manufacturing halted.

Aside from preparedness and robustness, there is the issue of "balance of trade". The USA gets to buy alottacrap because we have the world reserve currency. The same is not true for other nations... you don't get to endlessly buy without being able to exchange something of real value.

One of these days, our reserve currency status is going to end and other nations will refuse to accept the dollar as the worth less currency that it is. There is nothing backing the almighty dollar except our almighty gunboats.

And finally ... people have a need to ensure their survival thru some direct means. It is millenia of evolution behind it, which rewards us when we spot a shriveled twig that we know means a yummy tuber in the ground, or we've organized a hunt and finally brought down that monkey/deer that will feed us.

As SIX said, people need a purpose. They need agency over their future. One way to assure that agency is to make sure that there is valued, productive work to be done.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

BRENDA

Monday, May 11, 2020 12:17 AM (P)

Quebec is scaling back when to reopen. They have Canadian Armed Forces helping in at least 25 long care homes in that province.

So to has Ontario which is also thinking about scaling back.

1KIKI

Monday, May 11, 2020 1:09 AM (P)

Hi Brenda! So Quebec and Ontario are scaling back. BC is still on track? How are the rest of the provinces doing? Do you know offhand?

BRENDA

Monday, May 11, 2020 2:36 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Hi Brenda! So Quebec and Ontario are scaling back. BC is still on track? How are the rest of the provinces doing? Do you know offhand?

BC is still on track. As far as I know the rest of the provinces are on track to opening as well. New Brunswick was first then Prince Edward Island then Nova Scotia, Newfoundland. Then everything past Ontario. Not sure how much of a lockdown happened in the territories, so they should be okay.

BRENDA

Monday, May 11, 2020 2:39 AM (P)

Gallup New Mexico is lifting a lockdown order though they are surrounded by 5 Navajo reservations. The Navajo have had to have help come in from Doctors without Borders. 2 teams.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Monday, May 11, 2020 6:38 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:
US Has 'Limited' Ability To Manufacture Coronavirus Treatments, Vaccines
Or PPEs, for that matter. Or fine chemicals. Or steel. Or plastic. Or housewares. Or just about anything that you base a modern economy on.

Quote:
A pharmaceutical company CEO says that while the United States may have the capability to deliver coronavirus treatments - if and when available - that the US has limited capacity to manufacture said treatments.

"Our distribution capabilities work. I'm not worried about that," said Leonard Schleifer, CEO of pharmaceutical company Regeneron, which is working on a coronavirus treatment. "Our manufacturing capacity, on the other hand...I think our capacity is limited," he added.

It's not only a 100=year pandemic to prepare for. There is a whole list of catastrophes and disasters, both natural and manmade, that can affect your standard of living.

One example, which I've brought up more than once, is THE factory in Japan that made THE plastic used in memories. When it burned down, manufacturing halted.

Aside from preparedness and robustness, there is the issue of "balance of trade". The USA gets to buy alottacrap because we have the world reserve currency. The same is not true for other nations... you don't get to endlessly buy without being able to exchange something of real value.

One of these days, our reserve currency status is going to end and other nations will refuse to accept the dollar as the worth less currency that it is. There is nothing backing the almighty dollar except our almighty gunboats.

And finally ... people have a need to ensure their survival thru some direct means. It is millenia of evolution behind it, which rewards us when we spot a shriveled twig that we know means a yummy tuber in the ground, or we've organized a hunt and finally brought down that monkey/deer that will feed us.

As SIX said, people need a purpose. They need agency over their future. One way to assure that agency is to make sure that there is valued, productive work to be done.

Look - you have mostly really good but unworkable ideas. You're a bit like Trump thinking we can stick a light in our lungs to kill Covid. IF THAT WAS SUCH A GREAT, WORKABLE IDEA, then wouldn't someone(s) much smarter than Trump have already thought it up, and wouldn't we already have it? Great ideas are everywhere. On paper they are worthless.

SECOND

Monday, May 11, 2020 7:22 PM (P)

Academic research from Imperial College in London, modeling the U.S. response, estimates that up to 90 percent of COVID-19 deaths could have been prevented had the U.S. moved to shut down by March 2nd. Instead, administration leaders dragged their feet for another two weeks, as the virus continued a silent, exponential assault. By early May, more than 75,000 Americans were dead.

www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/covid-19-test-trump-ad
min-failed-disaster-995930/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Monday, May 11, 2020 7:33 PM (P)

Donald Trump said something Friday that should have ended his re-election prospects the moment it left his mouth:

“I feel about vaccines like I feel about tests. This is going to go away without a vaccine, it’s gonna go away, and we’re not going to see it again, hopefully.”

Trump asserts that coronavirus will fix itself. If you think about it, that actually makes some sense, because every other problem in his Trump’s life has.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/05/09/trump-has-no-fixer-to-make-co
vid-19-go-away/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Monday, May 11, 2020 9:18 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:
US Has 'Limited' Ability To Manufacture Coronavirus Treatments, Vaccines
Or PPEs, for that matter. Or fine chemicals. Or steel. Or plastic. Or housewares. Or just about anything that you base a modern economy on.

Quote:
A pharmaceutical company CEO says that while the United States may have the capability to deliver coronavirus treatments - if and when available - that the US has limited capacity to manufacture said treatments.

"Our distribution capabilities work. I'm not worried about that," said Leonard Schleifer, CEO of pharmaceutical company Regeneron, which is working on a coronavirus treatment. "Our manufacturing capacity, on the other hand...I think our capacity is limited," he added.

It's not only a 100=year pandemic to prepare for. There is a whole list of catastrophes and disasters, both natural and manmade, that can affect your standard of living.

One example, which I've brought up more than once, is THE factory in Japan that made THE plastic used in memories. When it burned down, manufacturing halted.

Aside from preparedness and robustness, there is the issue of "balance of trade". The USA gets to buy alottacrap because we have the world reserve currency. The same is not true for other nations... you don't get to endlessly buy without being able to exchange something of real value.

One of these days, our reserve currency status is going to end and other nations will refuse to accept the dollar as the worth less currency that it is. There is nothing backing the almighty dollar except our almighty gunboats.

And finally ... people have a need to ensure their survival thru some direct means. It is millenia of evolution behind it, which rewards us when we spot a shriveled twig that we know means a yummy tuber in the ground, or we've organized a hunt and finally brought down that monkey/deer that will feed us.

As SIX said, people need a purpose. They need agency over their future. One way to assure that agency is to make sure that there is valued, productive work to be done.

Look - you have mostly really good but unworkable ideas. You're a bit like Trump thinking we can stick a light in our lungs to kill Covid. IF THAT WAS SUCH A GREAT, WORKABLE IDEA, then wouldn't someone(s) much smarter than Trump have already thought it up, and wouldn't we already have it? Great ideas are everywhere. On paper they are worthless.

Unworkable ideas that do not lead to discovery are stupid ideas. A waste of time. We all have them. Sig more than most.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

THG

Monday, May 11, 2020 9:26 PM (P)

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

THG

Monday, May 11, 2020 9:31 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:
US Has 'Limited' Ability To Manufacture Coronavirus Treatments, Vaccines
Or PPEs, for that matter. Or fine chemicals. Or steel. Or plastic. Or housewares. Or just about anything that you base a modern economy on.

Quote:
A pharmaceutical company CEO says that while the United States may have the capability to deliver coronavirus treatments - if and when available - that the US has limited capacity to manufacture said treatments.

"Our distribution capabilities work. I'm not worried about that," said Leonard Schleifer, CEO of pharmaceutical company Regeneron, which is working on a coronavirus treatment. "Our manufacturing capacity, on the other hand...I think our capacity is limited," he added.

It's not only a 100=year pandemic to prepare for. There is a whole list of catastrophes and disasters, both natural and manmade, that can affect your standard of living.

One example, which I've brought up more than once, is THE factory in Japan that made THE plastic used in memories. When it burned down, manufacturing halted.

Aside from preparedness and robustness, there is the issue of "balance of trade". The USA gets to buy alottacrap because we have the world reserve currency. The same is not true for other nations... you don't get to endlessly buy without being able to exchange something of real value.

One of these days, our reserve currency status is going to end and other nations will refuse to accept the dollar as the worth less currency that it is. There is nothing backing the almighty dollar except our almighty gunboats.

And finally ... people have a need to ensure their survival thru some direct means. It is millenia of evolution behind it, which rewards us when we spot a shriveled twig that we know means a yummy tuber in the ground, or we've organized a hunt and finally brought down that monkey/deer that will feed us.

As SIX said, people need a purpose. They need agency over their future. One way to assure that agency is to make sure that there is valued, productive work to be done.

Look - you have mostly really good but unworkable ideas. You're a bit like Trump thinking we can stick a light in our lungs to kill Covid. IF THAT WAS SUCH A GREAT, WORKABLE IDEA, then wouldn't someone(s) much smarter than Trump have already thought it up, and wouldn't we already have it? Great ideas are everywhere. On paper they are worthless.

Unworkable ideas that do not lead to discovery are stupid ideas. A waste of time. We all have them. Sig more than most.

T

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, May 12, 2020 2:38 AM (P)

Quote:
CC: Look - you have mostly really good but unworkable ideas. You're a bit like Trump thinking we can stick a light in our lungs to kill Covid. IF THAT WAS SUCH A GREAT, WORKABLE IDEA, then wouldn't someone(s) much smarter than Trump have already thought it up, and wouldn't we already have it? Great ideas are everywhere. On paper they are worthless.

Where on god's green earth did you get the idea that things are "working" now???

It's not Covid-19. Covid-19 simply revealed just how moth-eaten our economy (and society) became. Not in the past 3 years, but in the past 50. I graduated into the job market when all of the steel mills were shutting down, back in 1976. That was just a harbinger of things to come.

THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT THIS SYSTEM IS REALLY "WORKING" FOR ARE THE LLYOD BLANKFEINS AND JAMIE DIMONS AND JEFF BEZOS. The system is tolerable for maybe the top 5%, but for everyone else, NOTHING is "working.

But the people in power, those for whom the system is "working", are making the decisions. And because the system is "working" ... for them ... they will decide to change NOTHING.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

SIGNYM

Tuesday, May 12, 2020 7:08 AM (P)

I guess what I'm saying is ... wake up and smell the coffee. Show some mental courage. Stop pretending that things are "working" or that this is all Trump's fault, or all because of Covid-19. and everything would be just fine without him/it. Occupy occurred three years into Obama's reign, remember? The Fed is the greatest driver of wealth inequality in the USA today.

If we're going to solve any of our big problems we have to ackowledge our deeper failings. It's not just Trump, or Democrats, or Republicans, or white men, or long-past slavery, or whatever teeny-tiny flaw you think is at fault.

The problem is structural. We may not be able to "do" anything about it, but we should at least have the courage to see things for what they are.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 13, 2020 3:29 AM (P)

Our financial markets, for over 30 years. See the kids chasing the bubbles? Those are our investors.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

BRENDA

Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:29 AM (P)

Sat down and watched tonight Premier John Horgan and Dr. Bonnie Henry do a virtual townhall. They answered questions that were sent in from the public by email and video.

BC is on track as I said for careful reopening which includes parks as we have a long weekend coming up.

BC has for the third time since this all started logged a day of single digit cases. Only 7.

JO753

Wednesday, May 13, 2020 3:59 PM (P)

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

THG

Wednesday, May 13, 2020 5:43 PM (P)

Putin's coronavirus crisis deepens with fatal hospital fire and spokesman's diagnosis

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-coronavirus-crisis-deepen
s-with-fatal-hospital-fire-and-spokesman-s-diagnosis/ar-BB13Xxpo?ocid=msedgntp

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

1KIKI

Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:33 PM (P)

"Some Covid-19 thoughts"

Reopening is a huge political gamble for Trump.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, May 13, 2020 8:04 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
"Some Covid-19 thoughts"

Reopening is a huge political gamble for Trump.

I agree, but I don't think he understands the basics. Too soon and we have to take a step back and his word is forever damaged. CYA bye 4 more years. But he has only one speed and one direction.

More Covid-19 thoughts:

Cars:

- The few times I've been out driving it was weird, almost like I had to keep reminding myself that I was driving. It felt so unfamiliar - for obvious reasons. I've noticed that in other drivers as well. One guy ran into the middle of a busy intersection in front of me, against a red light, and had to slam on his brakes. Other people just driving sloppy and waaay too fast.

- I read of an uptick in drag racing because the streets are more empty. I was outside the other day and could hear some heavy duty engines revving and racing not far away. Have fun!

- There has to be a serious reduction in DUIs, which is great news. File under the bizarre label: "How Covid is Saving Lives"

- How COVID-19 Will Reshape Global Gas
https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-covid-19-will-reshape-global-gas

I know with ultra cheap gas this may not make sense, but I feel like now would be a good time to push electric transport even more. "The air is cleaner now, lets keep it that way..."

- More on how the Covid Lockdown is actually saving lives:
https://thehill.com/changing-america/resilience/smart-cities/490601-am
id-coronavirus-lockdowns-traffic-accidents-in

New study finds coronavirus lockdowns dramatically cut traffic accidents and fatalities
A study shows that both collisions and fatal accidents have fallen by approximately half in California since the lockdowns began

From 400 a day to 200 in CA.

SECOND

Thursday, May 14, 2020 6:38 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
"Some Covid-19 thoughts"

Reopening is a huge political gamble for Trump.

Not following through with any of these 7 ideas is a huge political gamble for Trump. But maybe not since most Voters can't be made aware of what is not being done. Most voters won't remember in November what could have been done but Trump refused to do. Trump certainly won't remind them:

Experts’ 7 best ideas on how to beat Covid-19 and save the economy

Multiple countries have suppressed the coronavirus and significantly curbed the rate of new infections. America’s leading biological and social scientists say there is plenty the US can do here, too.

1) Masks for all

Wearing masks is really important for reducing coronavirus transmission. A study by a team of five researchers out of Hong Kong and several European universities calculates that if 80 percent of a population can be persuaded to don masks, that would cut transmission levels to one-twelfth of what you’d have in a mask-less society. Widespread use of masks is likely part of the reason Japan’s coronavirus outbreak has been mild thus far, and grassroots mobilization starting with masks is almost universally seen as part of the Hong Kong success story.

For the broad population, the key fact is that while wearing a mask does little to protect the wearer from the risk of getting infected, it does a lot to prevent the risk that the wearer spreads the virus to other people. Consequently, an interdisciplinary Yale team featuring biologists, medical doctors, economists, and public health specialists calculates that “the benefits of each additional cloth mask worn by the public are conservatively in the $3,000-$6,000 range due to their impact in slowing the spread of the virus.” And the benefits of professional-grade masks for health care workers may be even higher.

The big problem is that, months into the crisis, the US continues to be afflicted by shortages of N95 respirators for medical personnel, never mind ordinary Americans. The situation has improved since early March, but not by nearly enough.

A huge barrier to increasing production of either kind of mask is that nobody knows how long high levels of demand will last. Prestige Ameritech, a Texas-based company and the largest American manufacturer of surgical masks in the United States, thought the surge in demand associated with the H1N1 flu pandemic in 2009 would be a godsend. But in a recent NPR interview, co-owner Michael Bowen recalls that efforts to scale up rapidly during that crisis nearly killed the company.

“We hired a lot of people and ramped up,” he told NPR’s Mary Louise Kelly. “And then we nearly went bankrupt afterward. We laid off 150 people and nearly went out of business. You know, it’s not like flipping on a switch. It’s building machines. It’s hiring people. It’s training people. That’s the issue.”

Caleb Watney from the R Street Institute and Alec Stapp from the Progressive Policy Institute suggest avoiding this situation with an idea that will recur several times on this list: The federal government should agree to pay above the pre-crisis market rate and guarantee that it will buy lots of masks and lots of respirators for an extended period. That gives business owners confidence to invest. The risk is that the country ends up “wasting” money on unneeded equipment if things end up going better than expected. But surplus equipment can be stockpiled so the US doesn’t get caught short in the next pandemic, or can be donated to lower-income countries that don’t have the financial capacity to engage in massive purchase guarantees.

6 more ideas at www.vox.com/2020/5/13/21248157/testing-quarantine-masks-stimulus

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JO753

Friday, May 15, 2020 9:06 PM (P)

Entered my project into the NASA Tek Breefs contest:

https://contest.techbriefs.com/2020/ent ... ical/10256

Hopefully it will attract investorz befor everybody iz ded from the virus.

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http://www.7532020.com .

BRENDA

Sunday, May 17, 2020 2:44 AM (P)

Provincial and Federal parks are open for limited use over this long weekend.

1KIKI

Sunday, May 17, 2020 5:19 AM (P)

Very nice! I hope you have a park nearby and good weather to go with it.

BRENDA

Sunday, May 17, 2020 9:54 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Very nice! I hope you have a park nearby and good weather to go with it.

There is a small city one near me but alas the weather in BC. Not so nice. Wet all over the province with a risk of thunder storms.

But people will get out and use them. Enjoy a nice walk or whatever in the rain.

Long weekend up here and Canadians just can't do without their parks.

1KIKI

Sunday, May 17, 2020 1:02 PM (P)

You know me, I've always liked the rain. So I could imagine going out for a nice stroll in the park, and then coming home to a nice warm, dry place.

But I know your preference is to sunny and warm and perhaps beautiful blue skies.

BRENDA

Sunday, May 17, 2020 1:42 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You know me, I've always liked the rain. So I could imagine going out for a nice stroll in the park, and then coming home to a nice warm, dry place.

But I know your preference is to sunny and warm and perhaps beautiful blue skies.

Everybody's got their own thing.

But yes, I do. Will just have to wait a bit longer for more sunny days and blue skies. Spring in British Columbia.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, May 17, 2020 6:11 PM (P)

First time I dipped into these Coomph threads for over a week. Between not reading here and not watching the news, I'm honestly surprised that this is still a thing, really.

Except for one hardware store chain that forces you to wear masks nationwide and the fact that you still can't get a haircut until next week, there's really not much evidence that people are even talking about it around here anymore.

Oh well... Got company now and I've got plenty more work to get to today. Maybe I'll post about my travails in the Garden Thread in a week or so. May has been super productive so far.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

BRENDA

Monday, May 18, 2020 9:47 AM (P)

News for Covid-19 is still bad in Indian country. Navajo now have over 3,000 cases. Stricter lockdowns being put in place and curfews being extended. Amongst 5 reservations their population is only 175,000.

Hopi villages are closed to outside traffic and it is estimated that most tribes in New Mexico have covid-19 on them.

SECOND

Monday, May 18, 2020 5:55 PM (P)

In 2014, after the Ebola epidemic, the Obama administration realized the federal government was unprepared for pandemics, both natural and engineered. And so they built a new team into the National Security Council: the Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense. Beth Cameron was its first leader, and she explains that it was designed to ensure not just a constant focus on the threat, but a bureaucratic structure, and a set of interagency relationships, that were constantly being exercised so coordination could happen fast when speed was most needed.

“Having that in place is really important,” Cameron says, “because it’s in anticipation of a truly catastrophic or existential threat. It is the ability to detect it early. And then it’s the ability to respond efficiently and to practice that at all levels of government.”

That way, when the crisis does come, the government knows how to react, knows who needs to be in the meetings, knows where the power and authority and expertise lie. It can focus on responding to the threat rather than building the structure needed to respond to the threat.

The Trump administration dissolved that office in 2018 as part of John Bolton’s reorganization of the National Security Council. The leader of the team, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer, was pushed out. The decision attracted criticism at the time, but the White House defended the call. “In a world of limited resources, you have to pick and choose,” one administration official told the Washington Post. The administration has never explained how or why it chose to deemphasize pandemic risk, nor which threats it decided to prioritize instead.

So neither Trump nor his administration was focused on Covid-19 in the early days, when it would have mattered most. “I think that it’s possible if we’d taken this threat more seriously in mid- to late January, that we could be in a situation where we are containing coronavirus as opposed to having to suppress it,” Cameron says.

I don’t want to overstate the consequence of that one decision: It is possible to imagine an administration that eliminated the office but remained focused, through other agencies or processes, on pandemic risk. But in this case, the dissolution of the office reflected the interests of the executive, and the evidence is everywhere. The administration responded exactly as you’d expect an administration that had shuttered its pandemic response operation to act — which is to say, it mostly did not act.

More at www.vox.com/2020/5/18/21251370/donald-trump-risk-coronavirus-2020-reel
ection-nuclear-china

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

BRENDA

Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:11 AM (P)

BC logged a record today. Only 2 new cases.

SIGNYM

Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:31 AM (P)

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COVID Is a Great Scapegoat for the Pre-Existing Collapse of a Rotten Economic 'System'
James Howard Kunstler 15 hours ago | 820 words 696 Comments

Western Civ’s most infamous encounter with pandemic disease, so far, was the big first wave of the Black Death that had a marathon run from 1346 to 1353. That bug was the real deal. It killed folks left and right, every age group, every social station, and it killed them ugly. Few who caught it survived. Up to half the population of Europe perished, along with a lot of their social and economic ways.

The cause of the Black Death was subject to every possible explanation except the actual one, Yersina pestis, a bacterium associated with rats and their insect parasites, fleas and lice, who also enjoyed an association with humans living in the generally squalid conditions of the day — the ancient Roman habit of bathing long forgotten. At the top of their list of causes was an angry God, and his wicked erstwhile subordinate, Satan. The “experts” of that time tended to cluster in the church hierarchy, with its drear obsessions and compulsions. The squishy boundary between the supernatural and reality loosed all manner of derangement. The Jews came in for much vilification, leading to massacres in Strasbourg, Mainz, and Cologne. On the whole, the episode represented a terrific humbling of humanity. The allegory of the Dance Macabre summed it up in mankind’s universal antic journey to the Palookaville of death.
A billionaires best friend, Fed Chairman Powell

On the plus side, as modern interpolators might say, the bubonic plague winnowed down Europe’s population to a scale more congenial with its resource base. After that big first wave of the disease, land was cheaper and human labor better rewarded. Eventually, more food got around. Incidentally, the plague provoked nostalgia for the classical antiquity of Greece and Rome, especially among the scholars of Florence, launching the extravaganzas of the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, and eventually our own pageant of techno-supremacist Modernity.

Covid-19 seems rather a punk-ass illness compared to the Black Death. Its victims by far are people already on a fast track to the last roundup. We know exactly what causes it, if not so exactly its origin, and yet the response among our experts has been far more ambiguous than those long-ago bishops of Christendom to the Great Plague. The various scientists, physicians, public health officers, and politicians seem, to the casual observer, about equally divided between those who consider the corona virus a grave threat and those who insist it’s hardly worse than any annual flu. What is one to believe? Or do?

Which brings us to the verge of the Great Opening-up. The current nostalgia for pre-Covid-19 business-as-usual is understandably intense. Gone especially from daily life are all the ceremonies of human togetherness, from gatherings of friends to the casual shoulder-rubbings of urban life to the crowded venues of the lively arts to the great moiling orgies of pro sports. The life of the perpetual jigsaw puzzle, YouTube, and Netflix has proved inadequate to human aspiration. Gone, too, are livelihoods, revenue streams, and rewarding roles in everyday existence. The itch to get out and do, get out and make, get out and be, is overwhelming.

Behind those plain yearnings, though, looms the specter of a system that appeared to be already foundering before Covid-19 entered the scene. There is, at least, considerable agreement that the disease catalyzed the disorders of finance and economy and accelerated the damage — just not among the people most responsible for engineering the fragilities that actually crashed things

Jerome Powell, Pope of the Church of the Federal Reserve, went on the 60-Minutes show last night to reassure the nation that things will eventually get back to normal. “I think you’ll see the economy recover steadily through the second half of this year.”

Yessir, if you say so. Were his fingers crossed? You couldn’t tell because

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, May 21, 2020 3:34 PM (P)

Well...

You had to be wearing a mask in the first place in order to take a mask off.

Seriously. Where the hell is Marcos? He must be loving the world now that half of the world is wearing masks like he does.

Which one of you goons lost your password to your Marcos sockpuppet?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:09 PM (P)

You didn't get the Danse Macabre reference.

SIGNYM

Friday, May 22, 2020 1:40 AM (P)

Will it be "business as usual" after Covid-19?

I HOPE NOT.

Unfortunately, all of the changes that I see are in the USA and the EU are in the wrong direction: Bailout of big banks, failures and buyouts of small businesses, greater consolidation of wealth.

What people don't understand is that, while there is all sorts of political strang und durm (storm and strife) about the Federal government creating (more of) a deficit to help out the "little folks", the Fed has quietly created more than trillion dollars to help out the big banks, big stocks, and big corporate bond issuers.

I think people STILL don't "get it". They think that "money" is something that the government prints and that the banks acquire when people "save". IN REALITY "money" is somthing that banks create out of thin air, like counterfeiting (but legal!) every time they create a loan.

Let me put it this way: When a bank gives you a $20,000 loan to buy a car, it doesn't rummage thru its vaults to see whether it has gotten $20,000 in deposits lately that is can lend to you.

NOT AT ALL.

It creates an account to (say) John Q Public, and grants John Q $20,000 by putting $20,000 into his ledger.

THAT'S IT!

What you and I might sweat and toil for over a year (or more), the bank just literally creates by putting electronic digits into an account. The reason why John Q Public, or anyone else for that matter, doesn't realize how thoroughly they're being robbed by banks (and other lending insitutions) is because the mind recoils over such obvious illogic. SURELY, people think, THERE MUST BE MORE TO IT THAN THAT!

Er, no, sorry folks, it's a stupid as it sounds.
And yet, it's the basis of our financial system!

What's worse, banks don't lend the Big Bucks at near-zero interst rates to consumers who want to buy a car or a frig, or to businesses which might fulfill that demand). NOPE! They lend to corporations for mergers and acquisitions, or to businesses that deal in hedge funds, or to stock or real estate speculators. So none of that made-up-money actually goes into the real economy of supply and demand, it goes into speculation.

Anyway, enuf of my rant. People are still getting screwed, with or without Covid-19.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, May 22, 2020 1:45 PM (P)

Schengen EuroZone Area is Finished?

Finland’s state epidemiologist says it would be a risk for his country to accept Swedish tourists
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/21/coronavirus-live-ne
ws-global-cases-near-5m-as-eu-health-chief-warns-of-second-wave?page=with:block-5ec69b488f08a1782fa7f159#liveblog-navigation

SECOND

Friday, May 22, 2020 5:20 PM (P)

The religious roots of Trump's magical thinking on coronavirus

Trump's response to the pandemic seems contrary to reality. But long ago, his biographers say, Trump learned how to craft his own version of reality, a lesson he learned in an unlikely place: a church. It's called the "power of positive thinking," and Trump heard it from the master himself: the Rev. Norman Vincent Peale, a Manhattan pastor who became a self-help juggernaut, the Joel Osteen of the 1950s.

"He thought I was his greatest student of all time," Trump has said. Undoubtedly, the power of positive thinking has taken Trump a long way in the world. Trump has repeatedly credited Peale -- who died in 1993 -- and positive thinking with helping him through rough patches.

"I refused to be sucked into negative thinking on any level, even when the indications weren't great," Trump said of the early 1990s.

But during a global public health crisis there can be a negative side to positive thinking.

"Trump pretending that this pandemic will just go away is not just an unacceptable fantasy," said Christopher Lane, author of "Surge of Piety: Norman Vincent Peale and the Remaking of American Religious Life."

"It is in the realm of dangerous delusion."

"Attitudes are more important than facts," Peale preached, a virtual prophecy of our post-truth age. "Formulate and stamp indelibly on your mind a mental picture of yourself as succeeding," Peale writes in "The Power of Positive Thinking."

"Hold this picture tenaciously. Never permit it to fade."

"Positive thinking can help people focus on goals and affirm one's merits," said Lane, author of the book on Peale. "But it does need a reality check, and to be based in fact."

Sometimes, the reality is that you've failed and need to change course. But to Peale, that wasn't an option. Even self-doubt was a sin, he taught, an affront to God. "He had a huge problem with failure," Lane said. "He would berate people for even talking about it."

Peale's teachings can explain why Trump won't accept criticism.

You can hear echoes of Peale's no-fail philosophy in Trump's angry response to reporters' questions about his handling of the coronavirus pandemic, said Trump biographer Michael D'Antonio.

"Nothing is an exchange of ideas or discussion of facts," D'Antonio said. "Everything is a life or death struggle for the definition of reality. For him, being wrong feels like being obliterated."

More at www.cnn.com/2020/05/21/politics/trump-magical-thinking-peale-coronavir
us/index.html

How Norman Vincent Peale Taught Donald Trump to Worship Himself
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/donald-trump-2016-norman-vince
nt-peale-213220
The magnate’s biographer explains the spiritual guide behind his relentless self-confidence.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 22, 2020 8:47 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Will it be "business as usual" after Covid-19?

Pretty much.

Remember all of those articles that were predicting the death of the American Suburbs shortly after 9/11 and the huge hike in oil prices? Not only did that never happen, but even with a manufactured panic over a virus that isn't even close to the end of the world that made life as we knew it grind temporarily to a halt and sees the national deficit go off the rails I can't see any scenario where that's going to happen in my life.

We've lived a lifetime of situations and scenarios that were supposedly going to be the "end of the world as we know it" now, and we always go back more or less to "normal".

There will be some minor adjustments to our daily lives but, for better or for worse, everything will pretty much go back to the status quo.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

BRENDA

Sunday, May 24, 2020 4:31 AM (P)

Retail slowly opening up in my area of where I live.

Actually ate in a restaurant about 3 times last week.

BRENDA

Sunday, May 24, 2020 4:33 AM (P)

News is so-so for Ontario and Quebec. Their infection rates are still high but their death rates seem to be dropping.

JO753

Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:47 AM (P)

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

SIGNYM

Monday, May 25, 2020 4:35 PM (P)

OMG that is too funny!!!

That was one of my favorite songs when I was young, and I was JUST listening to it a few days ago (along with To Sir With Love and other moldly oldies) and thinking about how times have changed! And they did a such nice job, too. Thanks for the laughs!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

SIGNYM

Tuesday, May 26, 2020 1:45 PM (P)

Ok,so SOME scientists are not putting the idea of a deliberately cultured virus out ofthe realm of possibility because SARS-Cov2 not only has an unusual insertion which makes the virus fuse easily with human cells (substituting arginine) but it has a much higher affinity for human ACE-2 sites than for any other possible animal host that they tested.

Also, BTW, the "gain of function" research was being done on a lab in N CAROLINA. The Chinese contributor to the paper merely supplied animal-sourced coronaviruses to the (American) lab that was doing the actual research.

So, bear with me while I take you on a woo-woo conspiracy theory. Keep in mind that this is pure speculation, but it DOES cause a number of puzzle pieces to fit together.

Anyone who has ever scanned the alt-news websites - Jim Willie, Michael Hudson, Max Keiser, and too many others to name - have been warning for YEARS that WWIII was pretty much a foregone conclusion.

Why?

Because debt at all levels and in all sectors was so high that it could NEVER be repaid. (I agree with that.) They have been saying that the system needs some sort of giant shock, and big distraction - like WWIII - in order to justify cranking up the bank's debt-creation machines to become the lenders and buyers of last resort, ultimate owners of the New world order. Either that, or there was going to have to be a -very unlikely -debt jubilee (Hudson), or a whole new currency would have to be created and the USD reserve currency scrapped (Willie). Take your pick; but whatever happened it was it was going to have to be big, HUGE, on par with the debt overhang.

Well, despite provocations by the deep state (Ukraine, Syria) and Trump's vey own foreign policy peeps (Bolt-on, Pompous) WWIII has not come about.

Hmmm.... what would fill the bill and justify a giant bank and stock market bailout even better than WWIII?

How about a world pandemic, and the shuttering of economies, leading to "stimulus" lending in which - somehow- 95% of the spending favored 0.1% of the people?

Sounds like a recipe for success! At least, if you happen to be a member of the elite financiers.

Do you suppose this virus and lockdown was the central banks' alternative to WWIII?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

1KIKI

Tuesday, May 26, 2020 5:38 PM (P)

Personally, imo, there's just too much weird with SARS-COV-2 for it to be naturally evolved. Though there's always a possibility that it is, I just don't think so.

So, where does one point the finger. I entirely mistrust the media on this. Anyway, in the absence of hard data, the thing that makes me lean toward the US and away from China is how quiet the media is about any potential US participation. Any reporter doing their job should be able to get a list of public and private grants to coronavirus research in N. Carolina. And to me, the silence is deafening. The question isn't even being raised. It looks even more than that - it looks detoured. hushed up, suppressed. So that looks suspicious to me.

I think the next question I'd want answered is the genetic lineages of the various strains going around. I would like to see the geographic origins and spread. It's complex in the sense that it takes a lot of unraveling. But, as an example, if you have three strains, and one strain has alteration A, another has alterations AB, and another has alterations ABC, it's completely possible to figure out which came first, second, and third. If you can find out where the genetically first strain is located, you can find the geographic point of origin. I think where would go a long way to helping clear up the mystery of who. With extra research in the area, who would also help clear up when.

And that imo would go a long way to helping clear up the why.

Anyway, there does seem to be a dearth of hard evidence on a lot of these questions. So while I myself think it's genetically modified by people, maybe even in the US, I have no settled opinion on the rest.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Tuesday, May 26, 2020 8:57 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ok,so SOME scientists are not putting the idea of a deliberately cultured virus out ofthe realm of possibility because SARS-Cov2 not only has an unusual insertion which makes the virus fuse easily with human cells (substituting arginine) but it has a much higher affinity for human ACE-2 sites than for any other possible animal host that they tested.

Also, BTW, the "gain of function" research was being done on a lab in N CAROLINA. The Chinese contributor to the paper merely supplied animal-sourced coronaviruses to the (American) lab that was doing the actual research.

So, bear with me while I take you on a woo-woo conspiracy theory. Keep in mind that this is pure speculation, but it DOES cause a number of puzzle pieces to fit together.

Anyone who has ever scanned the alt-news websites - Jim Willie, Michael Hudson, Max Keiser, and too many others to name - have been warning for YEARS that WWIII was pretty much a foregone conclusion.

Why?

Because debt at all levels and in all sectors was so high that it could NEVER be repaid. (I agree with that.) They have been saying that the system needs some sort of giant shock, and big distraction - like WWIII - in order to justify cranking up the bank's debt-creation machines to become the lenders and buyers of last resort, ultimate owners of the New world order. Either that, or there was going to have to be a -very unlikely -debt jubilee (Hudson), or a whole new currency would have to be created and the USD reserve currency scrapped (Willie). Take your pick; but whatever happened it was it was going to have to be big, HUGE, on par with the debt overhang.

Well, despite provocations by the deep state (Ukraine, Syria) and Trump's vey own foreign policy peeps (Bolt-on, Pompous) WWIII has not come about.

Hmmm.... what would fill the bill and justify a giant bank and stock market bailout even better than WWIII?

How about a world pandemic, and the shuttering of economies, leading to "stimulus" lending in which - somehow- 95% of the spending favored 0.1% of the people?

Sounds like a recipe for success! At least, if you happen to be a member of the elite financiers.

Do you suppose this virus and lockdown was the central banks' alternative to WWIII?

Nope. Who would unleash something as uncontrollable as a virus unless they had a vaccine already in the bag? Your conspiracy theory makes no sense. Plus, this is hurting the 1% and the people they prey on - making loans to people who go bankrupt... Plus, plus, it's just ridiculous idea as usual.

Keep trying though!

SIGNYM

Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:08 PM (P)

Not hurting the 0.01% tho. Jamie Dimon, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos. Zuckerberg, Carlos "slim" Huelga, Llyod Blankfein ... they are doing quite well! And as far as I know,none of them have gotten sick. Who says they don't have a vaccine already anyway? If they did, and this was their plan, do you think they'd tell YOU?

And look where all of the big bailout money is going! Is it going to you?
Me?

Nope! The Fed just printed THREE TRILLION dollars. Yanno, those trillions of dollars that somehow just can't be coughed up for something as inconsequential as healthcare, but magically appears whenever the big banks/stock markets/hedge funds start to swoon.

Cui bono?

BTW SIX, it's not that this is any sort of "fake" pandemic. Nations across the globe and of all economic persuasions ... nations which aren't in the Basel western banking club ... Russia, Iran, Venezuela (not sure if I can include China because it too blows economic bubbles) .... have also "locked down". It's possible that is the only logical and rational first response. All the better for the big western banks, since economic chaos and a blizzard of bailout money would be their goal. Now, if only Macron can get those ECB "Corona bonds" going ...

Anyway, like I said: Just a thought.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:17 PM (P)

My only question is why didn't they spread a much more deadly virus if this was some sort of Agenda 2030 thing?

Huge missed opportunity, IMO. They've already trashed the world economy for at least a decade. Why not lower the population by 25% at the same time instead of wiping out less people in a year than die from automobile accidents... most of whom were close to checking out anyhow.

I don't think this was intentional. At least, I don't think it being released was. It's very possible that it was still genetically modified by humans though, and was somehow let out prematurely (or despite no intentions to release it at all at any point).

I have to ask myself "who wins?" if this was all according to plan. China certainly didn't make any friends over this, and they're probably hurting more than we are financially. Both right now and in the forseeable future. The "elites" here? Again... why not wipe out a much larger portion of the world population and only take a half-measure that ensures nearly everyone stays alive but the economy gets tanked.

We've got 35 Million people in this country alone right now who have heard for months from politicians, scientists, the media and Karens worldwide that what they did for a living wasn't essential.

Why not just kill them all off if this was the plan?

Take a moment to empathize with any one of these 35 million people who have spent the last 60 or so days listening to everybody tell them that their existence is worthless.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:22 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
My only question is why didn't they spread a much more deadly virus if this was some sort of Agenda 2030 thing?

Huge missed opportunity, IMO. They've already trashed the world economy for at least a decade. Why not lower the population by 25% at the same time instead of wiping out less people in a year than die from automobile accidents

Wrong

Quote:
.. most of whom were close to checking out anyhow.

Wrong.

But, good question: why not kill off a bunch of people? Maybe because if you kill off enough people, SOME wealth will concentrate among the sheeple, and the goal is to make the sheeple poor, not to make people dead?

Quote:
I don't think this was intentional. At least, I don't think it being released was. It's very possible that it was still genetically modified by humans though, and was somehow let out prematurely (or despite no intentions to release it at all at any point).

I'm not saying it was, either. Altho there is some speculation that the virus was developed here and sent (via international games held in China) to China via USA athletes. But I do have to ask: Cui bono?

Quote:
I have to ask myself "who wins?" if this was all according to plan. China certainly didn't make any friends over this, and they're probably hurting more than we are financially. Both right now and in the foreseeable future. The "elites" here? Again... why not wipe out a much larger portion of the world population and only take a half-measure that ensures nearly everyone stays alive but the economy gets tanked.

China doesn't win. As "factory tho the world" their real economy suffered more than ours (so far). "Fortress Russia" turned out not to be impregnable to a virus. many of the large, poor, disorganized nations ... India, Brazil, Bangladesh, Indonesia ... will take a big death toll hit. The only winner so far is The Fed because it has 'lent' many big banks ... including international ones ... an unimaginable amount of money and now has them in thrall. The EU central bank (ECB) so far has not been able to crank up digital money-creation because the nation backstopping such loans ... Germany... won't go along with it.

Quote:
We've got 35 Million people in this country alone right now who have heard for months from politicians, scientists, the media and Karens worldwide that what they did for a living wasn't essential.

It isn't. If you can drop out of the workforce and nobody goes hungry or naked or sick or unhoused, then what were you doing, exactly? Polishing doorknobs?

Quote:
Why not just kill them all off if this was the plan?

Why would the elite kill off a bunch of people? Has it not occurred to you that the elite want an entire WORLD full of desperately poor people who have no control over their future? Maybe their idea of heaven is billions of people in such miserable conditions that they're willing to do ANYthing ... sell their kidneys, their hearts, their babies ... to extend the lives of the elite. Yanno, their idea of heaven could be our idea of hell.

Quote:
Take a moment to empathize with any one of these 35 million people who have spent the last 60 or so days listening to everybody tell them that their existence is worthless.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

And here I am, telling them that they should get up off their asses, step away from whatever screen they're looking at, and MAKE themselves essential. Take back control of government and economic policy. Stop begging for "more of the same but worse" and start working towards something better.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 3:49 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wrong

Yes. You are wrong in your assertion that I'm wrong.

Quote:
Wrong.

Yes. You are also wrong again in this assertion that I'm wrong.

Quote:
But, good question: why not kill off a bunch of people? Maybe because if you kill off enough people, SOME wealth will concentrate among the sheeple, and the goal is to make the sheeple poor, not to make people dead?

The sheeple are already poor. You're a boomer at the end of your life who still has some of the pie. You just haven't noticed it in your own life that everyone after you is fucked. With or without the Coomph we'd have all been poor and unable to afford any type of insurance for anything within another 20 years.

Quote:
I'm not saying it was, either. Altho there is some speculation that the virus was developed here and sent (via international games held in China) to China via USA athletes. But I do have to ask: Cui bono?

There's always speculation. It's fun to speculate.

Quote:
China doesn't win. As "factory tho the world" their real economy suffered more than ours (so far).

Yes. That's what I said.

Quote:
"Fortress Russia" turned out not to be impregnable to a virus.

They weren't even on my radar, honestly.

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many of the large, poor, disorganized nations ... India, Brazil, Bangladesh, Indonesia ... will take a big death toll hit.

No they won't. But none of them did it either. The fear of what the repercussions would be if America, China or Russia discovered that they did it intentionally alone would be enough to dissuade them... unless we're talking about a mad dictator who singlehandedly went off the rails or something.

Quote:
The only winner so far is The Fed because it has 'lent' many big banks ... including international ones ... an unimaginable amount of money and now has them in thrall. The EU central bank (ECB) so far has not been able to crank up digital money-creation because the nation backstopping such loans ... Germany... won't go along with it.

No more in their thrall than they already were. Our currency has been monopoly money for longer than I've been alive. This didn't just happen in the last 2 months.

Quote:
It isn't. If you can drop out of the workforce and nobody goes hungry or naked or sick or unhoused, then what were you doing, exactly? Polishing doorknobs?

Then figure out UBI or something. And then figure out a way to keep people busy that doesn't involve jacking off all day and watching Netflix. Because we're on the precipice of an unprecedented amount of suicides when the realization hits millions that their existence is superfluous. Particularly among males.

Quote:
Why would the elite kill off a bunch of people? Has it not occurred to you that the elite want an entire WORLD full of desperately poor people who have no control over their future? Maybe their idea of heaven is billions of people in such miserable conditions that they're willing to do ANYthing ... sell their kidneys, their hearts, their babies ... to extend the lives of the elite. Yanno, their idea of heaven could be our idea of hell.

Overpopulation. It is the real crisis of the 21st century. Just because you're playing dumb about it doesn't mean that people smarter and far more powerful than us don't know that and aren't making plans.

Maybe the plan is to catalyze en-masse suicide. Then the media can say that they did it to themselves.

Quote:
And here I am, telling them that they should get up off their asses, step away from whatever screen they're looking at, and MAKE themselves essential. Take back control of government and economic policy. Stop begging for "more of the same but worse" and start working towards something better.

And how exactly do you make yourself "essential"?

There's too many

SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 4:26 AM (P)

Quote:
SIX ...instead of wiping out less people in a year than die from automobile accidents

SIGNY:Wrong

SIX: Yes. You are wrong in your assertion that I'm wrong.

Do you even have a ballpark figure in your head as to how many people die of automobile accidents every year? I do. You, apparently, don't. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.

Quote:
SIX: ... most of whom were close to checking out anyhow.

SIGNY: Wrong.

SIX: Yes. You are also wrong again in this assertion that I'm wrong.

Do you have any idea how many additional years those people would have lived if not for Covid-19? I do. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.

Quote:
SIGNY: But, good question: why not kill off a bunch of people? Maybe because if you kill off enough people, SOME wealth will concentrate among the sheeple, and the goal is to make the sheeple poor, not to make people dead?

SIX: The sheeple are already poor. You're a boomer at the end of your life who still has some of the pie. You just haven't noticed it in your own life that everyone after you is fucked.

People MY age are fucked. That handyman, that homeless sometime gardener, people in my own close family? They got fucked, too. It's not just people "after me" ... like everyone my age has it made ... EVERYONE is getting fucked. That's why there's 70-year-old Walmart greeters. Jeezus, SIX, stop feeling so specially picked on!

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SIGNY: The only winner so far is The Fed because it has 'lent' many big banks ... including international ones ... an unimaginable amount of money and now has them in thrall. The EU central bank (ECB) so far has not been able to crank up digital money-creation because the nation backstopping such loans ... Germany... won't go along with it.

SIX: No more in their thrall than they already were. Our currency has been monopoly money for longer than I've been alive. This didn't just happen in the last 2 months.

Apparently you haven't looked into the Fed balance sheet lately, nor the Exchange Stabilization Fund. Again, you might want to look that up instead of speaking out of your ass.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 8:34 AM (P)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Do you even have a ballpark figure in your head as to how many people die of automobile accidents every year? I do. You, apparently, don't. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.

Not my ass, but the WHO does have the stink of a bunch of assholes running that show.

But yeah... 1.25 MILLION globally in 2013, according to the WHO, since you asked.

https://www.who.int/gho/road_safety/mortality/traffic_deaths_number/en/

Yup. I'm right again. Thank you very much.

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Do you have any idea how many additional years those people would have lived if not for Covid-19? I do. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.

Of the very small amount of people who actually died of the Coomph, and not all those bullshit inflated numbers by adding a bunch of deaths that weren't due to the Coomph, not many.

If you are younger than the average life expectancy of a human being, you have almost ZERO to worry about even if you catch it. FACT.

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People MY age are fucked. That handyman, that homeless sometime gardener, people in my own close family? They got fucked, too. It's not just people "after me" ... like everyone my age has it made ... EVERYONE is getting fucked. That's why there's 70-year-old Walmart greeters. Jeezus, SIX, stop feeling so specially picked on!

The only difference is that we're all going to be WalMart greeters when my generation is your age. Without retirement funds. Without any meaningful health insurance.

Oh, wait... half of us are non-essential now. We're going to wish we could be WalMart greeters.

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Apparently you haven't looked into the Fed balance sheet lately, nor the Exchange Stabilization Fund. Again, you might want to look that up instead of speaking out of your ass.

What the fuck does it matter if we're talking billions or trillions when it's all monopoly money. So what that they have more paper and ones and zeros. They already owned everything long before The Coomph made you piss your panties.

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Breath, bated...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 8:59 AM (P)

Quote:
SIGNYM: Do you even have a ballpark figure in your head as to how many people die of automobile accidents every year? I do. You, apparently, don't. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.

SIX: ...yeah... 1.25 MILLION globally in 2013, according to the WHO, since you asked.

In the United States? Got THAT figure handy?

In the USA it used to be as high as 57,000. But various safety measures like airbags and seatbelts have reduced it to around 37,000 per year. Meanwhile, about 100,000 people have died of Covid-19 so far this year, and we're only at the end of May. So your fart-thought that "more people die of car accidents" is wrong.

As usual.

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SIGNY: Do you have any idea how many additional years those people would have lived if not for Covid-19? I do. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.

SIX: Of the very small amount of people who actually died of the Coomph

Bullshit

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, and not all those bullshit inflated numbers by adding a bunch of deaths that weren't due to the Coomph, not many.

By calculating the average life expectancy of categories of people matched by age. sex, and comorbidities, it's been found that for the average person dying of Covid-19, their life was cut short by 11 years.

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SIGNY: People MY age are fucked. That handyman, that homeless sometime gardener, people in my own close family? They got fucked, too. It's not just people "after me" ... like everyone my age has it made ... EVERYONE is getting fucked. That's why there's 70-year-old Walmart greeters. Jeezus, SIX, stop feeling so specially picked on!

SIX: The only difference is that we're all going to be WalMart greeters when my generation is your age. Without retirement funds. Without any meaningful health insurance. Oh, wait... half of us are non-essential now. We're going to wish we could be WalMart greeters.

Wow, sounding like a whiny karen much?

Yanno, for a smart person you sure are awfully stupid. Where do you think your health care and retirement money are going, son? Into the pockets of the wealthy. NOT your dad. He only comes to mind because you see him around once in a while, and his wealth is comprehensible by you. You never see the really wealthy, and their wealth is apparently beyond your imagination.

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SIGNY: Apparently you haven't looked into the Fed balance sheet lately, nor the Exchange Stabilization Fund. Again, you might want to look that up instead of speaking out of your ass.

SIX: What the fuck does it matter if we're talking billions or trillions when it's all monopoly money. So what that they have more paper and ones and zeros.

Well, if THAT'S how you feel, then why are you pissing and moaning about not having any of it, Karen?

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:14 AM (P)

Just for context

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American billionaires got $434 billion richer during the pandemic

* U.S. billionaires saw their fortunes soar by $434 billion during the nation's lockdown between mid-March and mid-May, according to a new report.

*Amazon's Jeff Bezos and Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg had the biggest gains.

*Bezos added $34.6 billion to his wealth and Zuckerberg picked up $25 billion.

America's billionaires saw their fortunes soar by $434 billion during the U.S. lockdown between mid-March and mid-May, according to a new report.

Amazon's Jeff Bezos and Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg had the biggest gains, with Bezos adding $34.6 billion to his wealth and Zuckerberg adding $25 billion, according to the report from Americans for Tax Fairness and the Institute for Policy Studies' Program for Inequality. The report is based on Forbes data for America's more than 600 billionaires between March 18, when most states were in lockdown, and May 19.

The billionaire gains highlight how the coronavirus pandemic has rewarded the largest and most tech-focused companies, even as the economy and labor force grapples with the worst economic crisis in recent history.

According to the report, the net worth of America's billionaires grew 15% during the two-month period, to $3.382 trillion from $2.948 trillion. The biggest gains were at the top of the billionaire pyramid, with the richest five billionaires -- Bezos, Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, Warren Buffett, and Larry Ellison -- seeing combined wealth gains of $76 billion.

Elon Musk had among the largest percentage gain of billionaires during the two months, seeing his net worth jump by 48% in the two months to $36 billion. Zuckerberg was close behind, seeing his wealth surge by 46% in the two months, to $80 billion. Bezos' wealth increased by 31% to $147 billion. Bezos' ex-wife, MacKenzie Bezos, who received Amazon shares in their divorce, also saw her wealth increase by a third, to $48 billion.

Because the study timeline captures the stock market bottom and quick rebound, it creates a slightly sunnier picture for billionaires than the full year. For the year, Buffett's wealth has declined by $20 billion, according to the Bloomberg Billionaire's Index, while Gates is down by $4.3 billion. For the year, Jeff Bezos has gained $35.5 billion while Zuckerberg is up by $9 billion.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/21/american-billionaires-got-434-billion-
richer-during-the-pandemic.html

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BRENDA

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:19 AM (P)

BC today logged no Covid related deaths.

BRENDA

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:21 AM (P)

Don't know if Vancouver will be a hub city for hockey as once you enter BC, you have to self-isolate for 14 days. So we shall see.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:37 AM (P)

Your US death numbers for the Coomph are bullshit Signy.

Until you can admit that, we have nothing further to discuss on the topic.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:30 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Your US death numbers for the Coomph are bullshit Signy.

Until you can admit that, we have nothing further to discuss on the topic.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

So, SPEAKING OF BULLSHIT NUMBERS...

WHAT ABOUT THAT 4TH GRADE ARITHMETIC PROBLEM THAT YOU'VE BEEN AVOIDING, SIX?

YOU KNOW ...

327 MILLION * 0.4 (OR 0.3, IF YOU WANT TO BE CONSERVATIVE) INFECTION FATALITY RATE?

HOW MUCH WAS THAT, AGAIN?

500.000?

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 2:08 PM (P)

EVIDENCE THAT CORONAVIRUS IS UNDERCOUNTED

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The problem with the Covid-19 death numbers
...I was reminded of that disconnect between truth and reality -- and the difficulties of accounting for disaster-related deaths -- this week as researchers from Yale School of Public Health and the Washington Post published a report looking at "excess deaths" from Covid-19.

The Yale findings indicate officials are vastly underestimating the toll of the pandemic.

"What the actual fatality count from Covid is or was is still not clear," Dr. Irwin Redlener, director of the National Center for Disaster Preparedness at Columbia University, as well as a professor of public health, told me. "We're in a muddle of numbers, which is a problem."

It may seem a callous term, but "excess deaths" are critical to understanding this pandemic. The term refers to the number of deaths that are found to be in "excess" of the normal death rate for a particular place during a certain period of time.
This is a statistical estimate, not a case-by-case accounting. Yet many epidemiologists and medical examiners consider it to be the best measure of pandemic- and disaster-related deaths. It's not hard to see why. It's easier to measure the total number of deaths and compare those to a past baseline than it is to test every victim, to review their medical records, to interview their family members and to come to an objective assessment. That case-by-case methodology is extremely hard to carry out in practice and often will come up short.

"The assignment of causes of death is more of an art than a science," Daniel Weinberger, an associate professor of epidemiology at the Yale School of Public Health, and the report's lead researcher, told me. The assignment might change from one doctor to the next, he said.

...The Yale figures work like that, too. The researchers found 15,400 excess deaths in the United States from March 1 through April 4, the early weeks of the coronavirus's rampage through this country. During that time, only about half that many deaths -- 8,128 -- had been attributed to Covid-19, according the report.

The figures suggest the pandemic has been far worse than reported.

Just like in China, in the early days test kits were not available. Something that YOU, SIX, have pointed out numerous times. This meant that many people died without having even been tested for viral RNA. But if the symptoms fit .... unusual chest Xrays typical of Covid but not other pneumonias, for example, these early deaths were probably mostly Covid and deserved to be counted as such.

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"Not everyone who dies due to Covid-19 is going to have 'Covid' listed on their death certificate or get counted in those official statistics; so there is going to be some level of undercounting," said Weinberger, from the Yale School of Public Health. "Because of the lags in the [mortality] data and how long it takes to report and backfill the data, it's going to be some time before we have a handle on how much it's underreported. A conservative estimate is that the real number [of Covid-19 deaths] is maybe 1 ½ or two times higher than what the reported numbers are."
The excess death figures aren't perfect, either, Weinberger said. Did deaths drop because there are fewer traffic accidents with fewer people on the road? Did some people avoid seeking medical care because they were afraid of catching Covid-19 at a hospital, and therefore died from otherwise treatable infections or diseases? It's hard to tell. But the measurement remains a critical method for understanding the broad impact of the coronavirus, experts said.
I asked Aaron Bernstein, interim director of the Center for Climate, Health, and the Global Environment (C-CHANGE) at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, whether excess deaths were the best measure of the toll of a pandemic. Yes, he said. "For sure."
The point, to me, and to the

SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 2:09 PM (P)

Quote:
SIGNY: Apparently you haven't looked into the Fed balance sheet lately, nor the Exchange Stabilization Fund. Again, you might want to look that up instead of speaking out of your ass.

SIX: What the fuck does it matter if we're talking billions or trillions when it's all monopoly money. So what that they have more paper and ones and zeros.

Well, if THAT'S how you feel, then why are you pissing and moaning about not having any of it, Karen?

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 2:42 PM (P)

Back to my original speculation ...

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SIGNY: It isn't. If you can drop out of the workforce and nobody goes hungry or naked or sick or unhoused, then what were you doing, exactly? Polishing doorknobs?

SIX: Then figure out UBI or something. And then figure out a way to keep people busy that doesn't involve jacking off all day and watching Netflix. Because we're on the precipice of an unprecedented amount of suicides when the realization hits millions that their existence is superfluous. Particularly among males.

Being a whiny Karen much?

Here's the funny thing: you whine that men are going to off themselves when they are not longer able to acquire any of that funny-money that you seem to think is useless, and you whine when men are suddenly faced with actually having to WORK for a living when other nations stop accepting our funny-money.

So what, exactly, are you complaining about?

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SIGNY: Why would the elite kill off a bunch of people? Has it not occurred to you that the elite want an entire WORLD full of desperately poor people who have no control over their future? Maybe their idea of heaven is billions of people in such miserable conditions that they're willing to do ANYthing ... sell their kidneys, their hearts, their babies ... to extend the lives of the elite. Yanno, their idea of heaven could be our idea of hell.

SIX: Overpopulation. It is the real crisis of the 21st century.

FOR WHO? Not for the wealthy elite! They'll still have their chateaux in the mountains, and their provate island retreats and, if worse comes to worst, their bunkers in New Zealand. You seem to think the wealthy envision sharing a common future with the rest of us, when their entire life experience have told them no such thing.

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SIX: Maybe the plan is to catalyze en-masse suicide. Then the media can say that they did it to themselves.

Hmm... I don't think the elite worry over-much abou the morality of killing a million ... or a billion... people. I just don'tthink they'd bother with "overpopulation" as a problem. It's only a problem if you imagine that YOU'RE going to be in the scrum, fighting for resources.

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SIGNY: And here I am, telling them that they should get up off their asses, step away from whatever screen they're looking at, and MAKE themselves essential. Take back control of government and economic policy. Stop begging for "more of the same but worse" and start working towards something better.

SIX: And how exactly do you make yourself "essential"?

There's too many people. That is impossible. We're a world of consumers.

Every consumer needs a producer. It is possible to be both.

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If consumerism dies after this, than so does the purpose of half of the human beings on the planet.

I thought the purpose of most humans is to live.

Not to be too pointed about it, but you've mentioned suicide so many times I'm beginning to worry that you've got suicidal ideation. You OK, SIX?

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THG

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:35 PM (P)

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

Biden Blasts Mask-Averse Trump as A 'Fool' As U.S. Deaths Near 100,000

1KIKI

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 8:22 PM (P)

As horrifying as it is, by November 2020 the 100,000 COIVD-19 milestone will be lightyears in the rearview mirror and beyond moot. I hope you're not counting on it the get Biden elected.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 8:28 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Your US death numbers for the Coomph are bullshit Signy.

Until you can admit that, we have nothing further to discuss on the topic.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

So, SPEAKING OF BULLSHIT NUMBERS...

WHAT ABOUT THAT 4TH GRADE ARITHMETIC PROBLEM THAT YOU'VE BEEN AVOIDING, SIX?

YOU KNOW ...

327 MILLION * 0.4 (OR 0.3, IF YOU WANT TO BE CONSERVATIVE) INFECTION FATALITY RATE?

HOW MUCH WAS THAT, AGAIN?

500.000?

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I don't understand your math question here.

Are you actually alleging that The Coomph will kill 40% of the people that get it now? Is that how far into fantasy land we've drifted now?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 8:39 PM (P)

Signy forgot to add the % symbol

AND

your math is still wrong.

When YOU looked at the 0.004 CDC figure YOU thought it meant 0.004% .

IT DOESN'T.

It meant 0.004 FRACTION. Or,for those who can read, 0.4%

So try your math again and tell me - does 325M * 0.4% = 500,000?

1KIKI

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 8:40 PM (P)

Signy forgot to add the % symbol

AND

your math is still wrong.

When YOU looked at the 0.004 CDC figure YOU thought it meant 0.004% .

IT DOESN'T.

It meant 0.004 FRACTION. Or, for those who can read and do simple math, 0.4%

So try your math again and tell me - does 325M * 0.4% = 500,000 like you ... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ha ha ha ha ... ... figure?

'Cause if you think so, your problem goes beyond mere stupid.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 8:45 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Here's the funny thing: you whine that men are going to off themselves when they are not longer able to acquire any of that funny-money that you seem to think is useless, and you whine when men are suddenly faced with actually having to WORK for a living when other nations stop accepting our funny-money.

So what, exactly, are you complaining about?

Go back to work doing WHAT?

There are now 35 million more people unemployed that have been told for 60 days that they were unessential. How many of those jobs do you think are going to come back? Maybe half of them if we're lucky.

Where are these magic jobs going to come from?

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FOR WHO? Not for the wealthy elite! They'll still have their chateaux in the mountains, and their provate island retreats and, if worse comes to worst, their bunkers in New Zealand. You seem to think the wealthy envision sharing a common future with the rest of us, when their entire life experience have told them no such thing.

You seem to be putting a much larger importance on money backed by paper than you should be.

Do you believe that the wealthy elite all agree with each other that global warming isn't real and that we haven't contributed to it? Or a more accurate question is, do you believe that 100% of the wealthy elite are so absolutely certain that global warming isn't real and we don't contribute to it that they're willing to risk allowing our severe overpopulation problem along with our ever increasing carbon footprint to grow unchecked so they can have more slaves?

I mean, really... How many slaves are enough? Where's the ROI on having 7 Billion slaves when half of them are "non-essential"? That's not very Six Sigma.

That's an extra 3.5 Billion mouths to feed that don't need to be fed. An extra 3.5 Billion people polluting the air and the environment. An extra 3.5 Billion people that need to be housed. An extra 3.5 Billion people that need just enough shit that they don't start burning everything down.

From a managerial aspect, there's no benefit to having that many people. If there were half as many people, it's twice as easy to keep them happy enough where the idea of revolt isn't in all of their heads 24/7.

Under the right circumstances, it's possible to have a few billion slaves who find their existances copacetic enough that they don't even really feel like they are slaves. Under those circumstances, the majority would likely argue against the more intelligent that they aren't slaves.

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Hmm... I don't think the elite worry over-much abou the morality of killing a million ... or a billion... people. I just don'tthink they'd bother with "overpopulation" as a problem. It's only a problem if you imagine that YOU'RE going to be in the scrum, fighting for resources.

Boy... have you been coming off as an elitist yourself recently. Must be nice in those cushy California digs you got with your cushy retirement accounts and health insurance.

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Every consumer needs a producer. It is possible to be both.

You're forgetting halfway through your post that 35 million people in America alone have just been told that what they do is non-essential. And you offer zero ideas for job replacement for them.

It's impossible to have a conversation with you because you're changing your argument every time you break my post up to reply to me.

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I thought the purpose of most humans is to live.

The chief goal of living, is not to merely stay alive. ~Mike Rowe

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Not to be too pointed about it, but you've mentioned suicide so many times I'm beginning to worry that you've got suicidal ideation. You OK, SIX?

Nah. I already got all of that out of my system.

I told you and Karen before that I've been through all of this and you're all l

1KIKI

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 8:48 PM (P)

Signy forgot to add the % symbol

AND

your math is still wrong.

When YOU looked at the 0.004 CDC figure YOU thought it meant 0.004% .

IT DOESN'T.

It meant 0.004 FRACTION. Or, for those who can read and do simple math, 0.4%

So try your math again and tell me - does 325M * 0.4% = 500,000 like you ... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ha ha ha ha ... ... figure?

'Cause if you think so, your problem goes beyond mere stupid.

ETA: Now tell us all again that you're 'always' right.

1KIKI

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:00 PM (P)

Just making sure you don't bury this under the pile of shit you're posting.

Signy forgot to add the % symbol

AND

your math is still wrong.

When YOU looked at the 0.004 CDC figure YOU thought it meant 0.004% .

IT DOESN'T.

It meant 0.004 FRACTION. Or, for those who can read and do simple math, 0.4%

So try your math again and tell me - does 325M * 0.4% = 500,000 like you ... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ha ha ha ha ... ... figure?

'Cause if you think so, your problem goes beyond mere stupid.

ETA: Now tell us all again that you're *ALWAYS* right.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:35 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Signy forgot to add the % symbol

AND

your math is still wrong.

When YOU looked at the 0.004 CDC figure YOU thought it meant 0.004% .

IT DOESN'T.

It meant 0.004 FRACTION. Or, for those who can read and do simple math, 0.4%

So try your math again and tell me - does 325M * 0.4% = 500,000 like you ... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ha ha ha ha ... ... figure?

'Cause if you think so, your problem goes beyond mere stupid.

Yes, my apologies, I knew it was "percent" so thoroughly that I forget to write down the symbol, but when I did the calculation I automatically onverted it to 0.004 (or 0.003)

So, have you figured out that number yet, SIX?

It's close to ONE MILLION. That's what I've been saying all along: hundreds of thousands to millions* Because I KNEW that the reported fatality rate was too high (because of lack of representative population sampling) and I divided the apparent "case fatality rate" by ten, and once the three serology studies came out I had an actual infection rate to look at.

The figures YOU accept, the ones that YOU say demonstrates that this virus is "no worse than a cold" would lead to ONE MILLION DEATHS in the USA in YOUR scenario.

Just try to get a sense of proportionality about this, SIX. At least understand what order of magnitude you're dealing with: Automobile accidents account for about 35,000 deaths per year. Flu deaths for an estimated 20,000-50,000 in most years. Colds? Wow, how many people die of a cold each year? Ten? I don't think that even registers in the "top twenty-five".

Now, I realize that this virus may play out over more than a year. It might be like the Spansh Flu which came in three waves over a year-and-a-half. So let's say its 500,000 per year. Do you like that figure better? Still "no worse than a cold"? Still fewer deaths than car accidents?

Let's get to your "death overcounts".

When older people die, there are almost always contributing factors. Systems are weak, and when one system fails it tends to push other systems over the edge. So let's say you got kidney failure. Fluid builds up, and then you get fluid in your lungs. Then your heart has to pump harder, and eventually gives out. What did you die of? Kidney failure? Respiratory failure? Heart failure?

When a person who is stable but has weakened systems ... say, a heart that isn't strong ... gets Covid-19, it sets off a chain reaction. Blood clots in the lungs, the heart has to pump harder to push blood through clotted lung capillaries. Oxygen saturation levels fall and make the heart work harder. Eventually the heart give out. What did they die of? Heart failure?

True, they may have had some pre-existing conditions, but chances are they would have lived another ELEVEN YEARS, on the average, before Covid-19 pushed them over the edge.

If you count ANY death that occurs along with a positive Covid-19 test as a Covid death, you will probably have a few overcounts. Say, someone fell off a ladder and died. (Hmm... otoh. Covid-19 causes such "unfelt" depletion of blood O2 that it can cause people to pass out unexpectedly, so it may be a contributing factor to car accidents and ladder accidents ... but I digress). Let's assume there are some overcounts where a Covid infection played absolutely NO ROLE in someone's death.

OTOH there are also undercounts. People may never have been tested, especially in the early days, or their RNA tests may have come back as false negative because sometimes it's pretty hard to capture that darn virus for testing when people are alive (it may have moved beyond their nose and throat and into their lungs) and I don't think all deaths are tested for viral fragments post-mortem.

"Excess deaths" seem to indicate

SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:29 PM (P)

Quote:
SIGNY: Here's the funny thing: you whine that men are going to off themselves when they are not longer able to acquire any of that funny-money that you seem to think is useless, and you whine when men are suddenly faced with actually having to WORK for a living when other nations stop accepting our funny-money.

So what, exactly, are you complaining about?

SIX: Go back to work doing WHAT

Maybe they have to get out a shovel and rake and do something essential like grow/raise their own food (for anyone with a backyard. 67% of the population lives in rural or suburban situation) because, I don't know about you but eating seems pretty essential. Maybe they exchange tasks like "I'll make or repair your clothes if you fix my car". Maybe they hire themselves out to agricultural giants to lay irrigation pipe or pick berries. Maybe become your neighborhood EMT and get paid in chickens. Or you take care of someone's granny while THEY go out and earn some cash. Small engine repair. Hard work, not much reward. What did people do in the Great Depression? Whatever it took.

YOU have land, do you not? Grow a garden, raise some chickens. YOU'VE got a house that you say is too big for you, do you not? Rent a room!

Stop whining.

This has to do with who owns the "means of production" ... the factories and steel mills and chemical plants and land ... until we have wrenched those back from the elite and start manufacturing again we will be forced to live at a subsistence level using the few tools at our disposal. There aren't many real jobs out there. Until we start manufacturing again, it's going to be tough.

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There are now 35 million more people unemployed that have been told for 60 days that they were unessential. How many of those jobs do you think are going to come back? Maybe half of them if we're lucky.

Why are you hoping for all of these non-essential jobs to come back? Do you LIKE getting paid shit for shit jobs?

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SIX: Where are these magic jobs going to come from?

I would especially like to see "banker", "internet mogul", "financial analyst", "investment advisor", "internet influencer", "greeter" and "barrista" disappear.

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SIGNY: FOR WHO? Not for the wealthy elite! They'll still have their chateaux in the mountains, and their private island retreats and, if worse comes to worst, their bunkers in New Zealand. You seem to think the wealthy envision sharing a common future with the rest of us, when their entire life experience have told them no such thing.

SIX: You seem to be putting a much larger importance on money backed by paper than you should be.

Not at all. I think the dollar (specifically) is going to crash because there is little of real value backing it up. But the wealthy DO own real assets.

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SIX: Do you believe that the wealthy elite all agree with each other that global warming isn't real and that we haven't contributed to it? Or a more accurate question is, do you believe that 100% of the wealthy elite are so absolutely certain that global warming isn't real and we don't contribute to it that they're willing to risk allowing our severe overpopulation problem along with our ever increasing carbon footprint to grow unchecked so they can have more slaves?

I mean, really... How many slaves are enough? Where's the ROI on having 7 Billion slaves when half of them are "non-essential"? That's not very Six Sigma.

I think they really don't give us all that much thought, except for (1) how we can be exploited and (2) whether we form a security threat to them. How much do you think about grasshoppers? That's about how much we are thought of. We live in our world and they live in theirs until they need to use us, or we form a threat.

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That's an extra 3.5 Billion mouths to feed that don't need to be fed. An extra 3.5 Billion pe

THG

Thursday, May 28, 2020 4:59 PM (P)

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Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, May 28, 2020 7:56 PM (P)

Okay. So... I'm done with these insanely long posts that we need to spend far too much time formatting, since all they do is serve to end up with us both talking over and/or past each other.

So I'm going to try something different now and only reply to 1 or 2 points. From there, you can reply to this post or bring up another point you had. I'm not going to spend an hour replying to a post that has 15 points on it anymore, since the longer this goes on the more obscene that gets.

Here it goes...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Why are you hoping for all of these non-essential jobs to come back? Do you LIKE getting paid shit for shit jobs?

A few points I should make to this question:

1. What is essential and non-essential is highly subjective. A perfect example would be the smoke shop run by the only Indian guy I ever see in my area. His prices are fair and he's earned my loyalty. Our governor shut his store and likely his entire livelihood down. In the mean time, I've been perfectly free to order the products online, which I'm sure was something that was already killing his business before the shutdown happened.

2. We've already discussed overpopulation and how it relates to jobs years ago. I've already known that most of our existences, particularly through our vocation, are superfluous and said as much back then. This is new news to 35 million or so Americans.

3. I'd bet that if you looked into what jobs are still deemed essential, 25% of them are still minimum wage shit jobs, and more than 50% of them pay less than $15 per hour, and it's very likely that most of them don't include benefits like health insurance. Even if they did, you still have to pay for the health insurance.

Point number 4 is the question I asked next but you didn't really answer...

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SIX: Where are these magic jobs going to come from?

SIGS: I would especially like to see "banker", "internet mogul", "financial analyst", "investment advisor", "internet influencer", "greeter" and "barrista" disappear.

Okay. Me too, if you want my opinion. But except for the short time Starbucks shut down, "barrista" was the only one out of work even in this shutdown. They might not actually be essential, but none of them were ever deemed non-essential. I'm sure if you asked any of them they would feel highly insulted if you insinuated that what they do for a living isn't essential, and the fact that they weren't put out of business by the government in the last 60 days would really be all the justification they'd need in their argument.

But seriously... Where are these magic essential jobs for 35 million Americans going to come from?

I'd love for the answer to be jobs upgrading and updating our crumbling and antiquated infrastructure. But who's going to pay for it?

And if the answer to that is "The Government", great!

But if that extremely unlikely scenario ever unfolds, I can't help but wonder exactly how far back in the queue I'm going to be as a white male. If this new Government Infrastructure Jobs Project were a train, I'm assuming I'd be sitting in the back of the caboose.

Just sayin.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Thursday, May 28, 2020 11:58 PM (P)

Pity the poor white male who so cleverly made every wrong decision in its life, and so cleverly landed itself in its own little self-created hell. With a trainwreck of a life.

Your problem JACKshit, isn't being a white male, it's being so INSANELY entitled and resentful you've done everything opposite of what you had to do to make a good life for yourself. Because you shouldn't HAVE to go to college and get a worthwhile degree AND COMPETE WITH OVERSEAS CHEAP LABOR to get a good paying job like everyone else. You're too special for that.

So clever of you. So smart.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 29, 2020 5:31 AM (P)

Whatever, fag.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Friday, May 29, 2020 9:17 AM (P)

Enjoy your 'brilliantly' done self-made hell!

BRENDA

Friday, May 29, 2020 9:35 AM (P)

New Brunswick has had a outbreak at a health centre. The worker had just come back from Quebec and instead of self-isolating for 14 days they went back to work. 5 others are now infected because of this person's carelessness.

1KIKI

Friday, May 29, 2020 9:55 AM (P)

How this virus moves in a population isn't clear to me. It can linger at low levels forever in some places, but explode in others. I'm not sure epidemiologists have a handle on it, except in the crudest sense of grand averages over hundreds of thousands or millions. It seems the only answer until we know enough is for everyone to be careful for the sake of others.

But too many people are too ready to write off everyone but themselves and their own little demographic as not worth the inconvenience.

Sigh.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 29, 2020 10:53 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
How this virus moves in a population isn't clear to me.

Nothing is clear to you.

You're a retard.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Friday, May 29, 2020 12:10 PM (P)

Quote:
KIKI: How this virus moves in a population isn't clear to me.

SIX: Nothing is clear to you.
You're a retard.

Well, now we see that SIX can't carry on an intelligent discussion of viruses, so he has to call people names.

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#WEARAMASK

SIGNYM

Friday, May 29, 2020 12:26 PM (P)

I ran across this at Moon of Alabama

Quote:
How Cluster Cases Drive The Covid Pandemic

One of the many mysteries of the Covid-19 pandemic is how the disease actually spreads. We were told to wash hands and about the dangers of droplets in one to one contacts. But newer evidence continues to point in another direction.

There are more and more reports about cases where the infections seems to have spread by aerosol, droplets smaller than 5µm in diameter, instead of by bigger droplets or fomites like surfaces and objects. Lambert Strether has collected reports of cluster cases in restaurants, buses, ships and a callcenter where aerosol transmission was the most likely cause:

There’s mounting evidence that airborne transmission indoors is a key — perhaps the main — pathway to SARS-COV-2 transmission. In this post I want to look at why that’s so, give examples, and suggest a simple heuristic to stay safe....

That paragraph is footnoted with a link to a WHO recommendation from March.

WHO has been corrupt since the beginning

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Since then much has been learned about cluster cases in which aerosols were the most likely transmitter of the disease.

Aerosols are droplets smaller than 5 micrometers. At that small size they do not fall to the ground but float in the airstream. Unlike droplets they are not a problem outside of closed rooms as the normal air movement will start to disperse them immediately.

A study in Hubei tracked down 318 cluster creating incidents in which at least 3 persons were involved. It found that only one happened in open air. A Japanese study says that the risk of infection indoors are 19 times higher than outdoors.

An early study has found that the secondary attack rate in households defined as "the probability that an infection occurs among susceptible people within a specific group (ie, household or close contacts)" is quite low at some 35%. Other studies have come to even lower values of some 25%. There were a number of reports of families where only one or two persons were infected while other members of the household did not catch the disease.

But the overall reproduction rate R0 of Covid-19 is estimated to be somewhere between 2 and 3. That means that without isolation measures each newly infected person will on average infect 2 to 3 other persons. How does that fit with the relatively low secondary infections in households?

Science has published a must read piece that explains this conundrum:

Other infectious diseases also spread in clusters. But COVID-19, like two of its cousins, severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), seems especially prone to attacking groups of tightly connected people while sparing others. It's an encouraging finding, scientists say, because it suggests that restricting gatherings where superspreading is likely to occur will have a major impact on transmission and that other restrictions—on outdoor activity, for example—might be eased.
...
Most of the discussion around the spread of SARS-CoV-2 has concentrated on the average number of new infections caused by each patient. Without social distancing, this reproduction number (R) is about three. But in real life, some people infect many others and others don't spread the disease at all. In fact, the latter is the norm, Lloyd-Smith says: “The consistent pattern is that the most common number is zero. Most people do not transmit.”

That's why in addition to R, scientists use a value called the dispersion factor (k), which describes how much a disease clusters. The lower k is, the more transmission comes from a small number of people. In a seminal 2005 Nature paper, Lloyd-Smith and co-authors estimated that SARS—in which superspreading played a major role—had a k of 0.16. The estimated k for MERS, which emerged in 2012, is about 0.25. In the flu pandemic of 1918, in contrast, the value was about one, indicating that clusters played less of a role.

Current estimates of the d

BRENDA

Friday, May 29, 2020 1:26 PM (P)

This health care worker could also be looking at criminal charges.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, May 29, 2020 2:04 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
KIKI: How this virus moves in a population isn't clear to me.

SIX: Nothing is clear to you.
You're a retard.

Well, now we see that SIX can't carry on an intelligent discussion of viruses, so he has to call people names.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

Karen's been bouncing around from thread to thread, some not even related tot he virus, just to personally attack me.

I don't feel sorry. Even Wishy never stalked me like this when she was off her pills and at her worst. At this point I quite prefer dialog with Wish.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Friday, May 29, 2020 8:38 PM (P)

Quote:
KIKI: How this virus moves in a population isn't clear to me.

SIX: Nothing is clear to you.
You're a retard.

SIGNY: Well, now we see that SIX can't carry on an intelligent discussion of viruses, so he has to call people names.

SIX: Karen's been bouncing around from thread to thread, some not even related tot he virus, just to personally attack me.

I don't feel sorry. Even Wishy never stalked me like this when she was off her pills and at her worst. At this point I quite prefer dialog with Wish.

OH POOR BABY!

Well, maybe if you hadn't CONTINUALLY LIED ABOUT HER in the first place, saying she was panicked about the virus, supported government control over everything, and constantly mischaracterizing her as a "Karen" ... which, from MY reading of her posts, she is not ... then you wouldn't have gotten such a bad reaction. Yanno, some people get really pissed when they're lied about and unjustly criticized, and she's one of them.

So yeah You started it. AND you kept it going in post after post, and THREAD AFTER THREAD, like you had turned into a GSTRING or something.

The ironic part? When KIKI says you bring NOTHING to the table: no data, no quotes, no links, not even any logic, but that you know JACKSHIT about the topic and are merely interested in denying facts and whining about your poor propects, she's not lying (unlike you) she's telling the truth. I've read your posts, SIX, and they're pure mental garbage, one big giant temper tantrum.

You could roll back the ill will by stop calling her a "Karen", especially since the whiniest bitch around here right now is YOU, Karen.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

1KIKI

Friday, May 29, 2020 10:59 PM (P)

Thanks! for this post, Signy! It clarifies, formulates, and expounds on an notion I had.

Way back when I supposed that perhaps NYC or other large outbreaks of COVID-19 were driven by exceptional events - I called them super super-spreaders - more likely found and exploited by the virus when there are large numbers of people --- and noticed only when a super super-spreader encounters a large naive population. A super super-spreader may start a transmission chain of tens of thousands in a large naive population; but that same super super-spreader may start a transmission chain of only 100 in a small community (where the chain of transmission would be damped out by either the statistical improbability of encountering another super super-spreader, or by the physically small number of a naive population that gets exposed.).

That would explain NYC, and the initial infection wave of the Diamond Princess.

And it explains further the fact that Mardi Gras sparked outbreaks in Louisiana, Detroit, Chicago, and several other places of returned revelers, which then damped out.

So I'll alter that and say that maybe large outbreaks are driven by one super super-spreader in very large gatherings like Grand Central Station, perhaps infecting other super super-spreaders.

But as you've noted, and which I've been puzzling over, that leaves California (specifically Los Angeles County), the prolonged transmission of the Diamond Princess, and the Navajo Nation unexplained.

Still, I thank you so much! for finding this and understanding the significance it seems to have in puzzling out how SARS-COV-2 moves through populations.

SARS-COV-2 seems to me to not move uniformly through a population, and its transmission has been puzzling me.

So THANK YOU!! so much again!

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I ran across this at Moon of Alabama

Quote:
How Cluster Cases Drive The Covid Pandemic

One of the many mysteries of the Covid-19 pandemic is how the disease actually spreads. We were told to wash hands and about the dangers of droplets in one to one contacts. But newer evidence continues to point in another direction.

There are more and more reports about cases where the infections seems to have spread by aerosol, droplets smaller than 5µm in diameter, instead of by bigger droplets or fomites like surfaces and objects. Lambert Strether has collected reports of cluster cases in restaurants, buses, ships and a callcenter where aerosol transmission was the most likely cause:

There’s mounting evidence that airborne transmission indoors is a key — perhaps the main — pathway to SARS-COV-2 transmission. In this post I want to look at why that’s so, give examples, and suggest a simple heuristic to stay safe....

That paragraph is footnoted with a link to a WHO recommendation from March.
WHO has been corrupt since the beginning
Quote:
Since then much has been learned about cluster cases in which aerosols were the most likely transmitter of the disease.

Aerosols are droplets smaller than 5 micrometers. At that small size they do not fall to the ground but float in the airstream. Unlike droplets they are not a problem outside of closed rooms as the normal air movement will start to disperse them immediately.

A study in Hubei tracked down 318 cluster creating incidents in which at least 3 persons were involved. It found that only one happened in open air. A Japanese study says that the risk of infection indoors are 19 times higher than outdoors.

An early study has found that the secondary attack rate in households defined as "the probability that an infection occurs among susceptible people within a specific group (ie, household or close contacts)" is quite low at some 35%. Other studies have come to even lower values of some 25%. There were a number of reports of families where only one or two persons were infected while other members of the household did not catch the disease.

But the overall reproduction rate R0 of Covid-19 is estimated to be somewhe

BRENDA

Friday, May 29, 2020 11:41 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

But as you've noted, and which I've been puzzling over, that leaves California (specifically Los Angeles County), the prolonged transmission of the Diamond Princess, and the Navajo Nation unexplained.

To me the Diamond Princess was a giant incubator because people inspite of "isolation" where still close to one another.

As to the Navajo, people move off and on the reserves for work and medical treatment. Also they live in generational housing. Grandparents, aunts, uncles, parents and children.

Also the real kicker is even though the Navajo fund their own schools and police this is done by the tribal councils. Reservations are FEDERAL land and guess what it is hard to have proper sanitation without any running water.
There are wells for families and only in the medical facilities and I would hope the schools and maybe any stores on the reserves have the privilege of running water.

1KIKI

Saturday, May 30, 2020 4:04 AM (P)

Thank you so much for your information, Brenda.

But it's sad information, to be sure.

BRENDA

Saturday, May 30, 2020 9:43 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Thank you so much for your information, Brenda.

But it's sad information, to be sure.

It is sad. Now, you see why I get angry with your federal government and state governments for how they've handled what is happening on the reserves.

A congresswoman from New Mexico by the name of Deb Haaglad who is a member of the Laguna Pueblo, wanted I believe in one stimulus package between 22 to 40 million for "Indian Country". The Democrats were fighting for this and all the Republicans could scrounge up was 8.4 million. I listened to this lady do an interview on CNN over a month ago. And I know most of you don't like CNN but they at least cover what is happening. It's that or the internet for me to know. I should also mention that Trump wanted $0 to go to Indian Country.

All reserves are Federal land that was given to us and by "us", I mean all the tribes in the US by treaty. "For as long as the grass grows, the wind blows and the rivers flow."

Another piece of news from down there and this is also over a month old now was Gov. Kristi Noem of South Dakota was demanding then threatening legal action against several bands of the Dakota nation. These bands had put up Covid-19 check points on the roads leading onto their reserves. They were trying to protect their own people. Main highways can go through reserve lands as short cuts. They were stopping cars and if they weren't tribe members, they were asked to turn around.

1KIKI

Saturday, May 30, 2020 11:02 AM (P)

My relationship with the First Nations is pretty tenuous. I might have mentioned that after I graduated, the very first interview I had for my very first real full time job was at the Navajo reservation hospital in Ganado. I did turn down the job because they wanted a 5 year commitment on the reservation, and it was so different and unimaginable to me that I wasn't sure I had 5 years in me.

But that sparked a lifelong curiosity. I always want to know more.

And I'm sorry to know that people are struggling there and on many reservations with COIVD-19.

There are so many historic and current-day injustices against the First Nations. It would take a lifetime to even right one of them. That's why I still stand in awe of the Canadian legal system, and the creation of Nunavut.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, May 30, 2020 11:17 AM (P)

Hmmmmm.....

Leveling off, huh?

No insane spike in deaths and some terrible 2nd wave that is going to be the end of the world?

The country gives a collective yawn and turns their attention from The Coomph and instead focuses on the fires raging in Minneapolis, and by election day this will be buried under dozens of new stories and they won't even remember the shutdown was a thing.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Saturday, May 30, 2020 11:58 AM (P)

Quote:
More fact-free sh*t flinging from JACK, with the ironic coda at the end.
Do Right, Be Right. :)

fify

Nope, still going up briskly everywhere but Alaska, Hawaii, Montana, and Vermont. And of those only Hawaii and Montana really look like it's almost leveled off (not adding new cases every day to the current total).

http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

BRENDA

Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:43 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
My relationship with the First Nations is pretty tenuous. I might have mentioned that after I graduated, the very first interview I had for my very first real full time job was at the Navajo reservation hospital in Ganado. I did turn down the job because they wanted a 5 year commitment on the reservation, and it was so different and unimaginable to me that I wasn't sure I had 5 years in me.

But that sparked a lifelong curiosity. I always want to know more.

And I'm sorry to know that people are struggling there and on many reservations with COIVD-19.

There are so many historic and current-day injustices against the First Nations. It would take a lifetime to even right one of them. That's why I still stand in awe of the Canadian legal system, and the creation of Nunavut.

I find that unless you know Native Americans or First Nations or are part Native American or First Nations, that most people don't.

We're a less visible minority down there than in Canada.

Don't I know about the historic and current day injustices. I grew up with so many historical stories from the US.

Canada's not perfect but at least Ottawa tries and I do give them credit for that. Ottawa right now is working on deals to help on reservations across Canada.

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:48 PM (P)

SWEDEN IS #1!

In new deaths per day per million, that is!

It's a position to be proud of, I'm sure.

But, not to worry: Brazil (another "do nothing" nation) is pulling up fast and making a strong bid to take the lead!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

THG

Saturday, May 30, 2020 7:34 PM (P)

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

TRUMPTWITTER AND CORONAVIRUS

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, May 30, 2020 8:01 PM (P)

You're demented.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Sunday, May 31, 2020 6:20 PM (P)

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

100 000 DEAD

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, May 31, 2020 7:09 PM (P)

You're DAYS late on that number, Ted.

And the number is bullshit anyway.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JO753

Monday, June 1, 2020 8:03 PM (P)

The virus haz sum sort uv weakness related to hi altitude. Probably a combination uv factorz.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/coronavirus-andes-pe
ru-ecuador-bolivia-tibet-high-altitude/2020/05/31/0b2fbf98-a10d-11ea-be06-af5514ee0385_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_todays_worldview&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_todayworld]
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http://www.7532020.com .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, June 1, 2020 8:11 PM (P)

Let's get Elon Musk on the phone and send The Coomph to space.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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