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Quote:Then you won't learn a secret about America:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
You've claimed to not be a Republican.
I'm not.
TL;DR on the rest of your post. None of your bullshit is ever worth the time reading.
The sense of responsibility for doing a job right seems to be declining. In fact, the phrase “I am not responsible” has become a standard response in our society to the complaints that a job has been poorly done. This response is a semantic error. Generally, what a person means is: “I cannot be held legally liable.” Yet, from a moral or ethical point of view, the person who disclaims responsibility is correct: By taking this way out, he is not responsible; he is irresponsible.
The unwillingness to act and to accept responsibility is a symptom of America’s growing self-satisfaction with the status quo. The result is a paralysis of the spirit, entirely uncharacteristic of Americans during the previous stages of our history. Originally by Hyman G. Rickover, April 29, 1984
More at https://www.nytimes.com/1984/04/29/nyregion/long-island-opinion-rickov
er-giving-life-meaning.html
Even back in 1984, Rickover recognized serious character flaws in a majority of Americans, which caused him to be famously picky about who he hired to work on nuclear propulsion, but because he could recognize and work around that reality, there were no nuclear accidents in the US Navy, unlike Russia, which had abundant accidents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyman_G._Rickover#Safety_record
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.
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Quote:Vaccum, vacuum, or vacume — which is correct? A Trumptard I know in the oilfield asks potential hires how to spell the word in a verbal pop quiz with no warning and no paper. He does not hire field hands who spell it correctly. They have to spell the way he spells.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
TL:DR
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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lol Whatever dude.
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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.
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Biden’s ideology is largely invisible
Adam Gopnik writes:
The Brooklyn-reared boxing trainer Charley Goldman, who crafted Rocky Marciano, the undefeated heavyweight champ of the nineteen-fifties, once made a wise statement: “Never play a guy at his own game; nobody makes up a game in order to get beat at it.” He meant that there was no point getting into a slugging match with a slugger or a bob-and-weave match with a bob-and-weaver. Instead, do what you do well. Damon Runyon, another New York character of that same wise vintage, said something similar about a different activity: if someone wants to bet you that, if you open a sealed deck of cards, the jack of spades will come out and squirt cider in your ear, don’t take the bet, however tempting the odds. The deck, you can be sure, is gaffed on the other gambler’s behalf. Never play the other guy’s game: it’s the simple wisdom of the corner gym and the gambling den. The other guy’s game is designed for the other guy to win.
An instinctive understanding of this principle was part of the brilliance of Joe Biden’s Presidential campaign—and that we do not think of it as brilliant, despite his decisive victory against an incumbent, is part of its brilliance. Donald Trump invented a game: of bullying, lying, sociopathic selfishness, treachery, and outright gangsterism, doing and saying things that no democratic politician had ever done or even thought of doing, and he did it all in broad daylight. (A notorious line attributed to Nixon—“We can do that, but it would be wrong”—was about paying hush money. Even Nixon wouldn’t pardon his henchmen. Trump did.) It was a game designed for Trump alone to win, but all too many got drawn into it. It was a game that some credit to a Russian model of disinformation but actually seems rooted in old-fashioned American Barnumism, weaponized with John Gotti-style ethics. It was designed, in plain English, to throw out so much crap that no one could ever deal with it all. Trying to bat the crap away, you just got more of it all over you, and meanwhile you were implicitly endorsing its relevance.
Biden, by contrast, insisted that the way to win was not to play. In the face of the new politics of spectacle, he kept true to old-school coalition politics. He understood that the Black Church mattered more in Democratic primaries than any amount of Twitter snark, and, by keeping a low profile on social media, showed that social-media politics was a mirage. Throughout the dark, dystopian post-election months of Trump’s tantrum—which led to the insurrection on January 6th—many Democrats deplored Biden’s seeming passivity, his reluctance to call a coup a coup and a would-be dictator a would-be dictator. Instead, he and his team were remarkably (to many, it seemed, exasperatingly) focussed on counting the votes, trusting the process, and staffing the government.
It looked at the time dangerously passive; it turned out to be patiently wise, for Biden and his team, widely attacked as pusillanimous centrists with no particular convictions, are in fact ideologues. Their ideology is largely invisible but no less ideological for refusing to present itself out in the open. It is the belief, animating Biden’s whole career, that there is a surprisingly large area of agreement in American life and that, by appealing to that area of agreement, electoral victory and progress can be found.
More at https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/bidens-invisible-ideology
or at
https://web.archive.org/web/20210712200728/https://www.newyorker.com/n
ews/daily-comment/bidens-invisible-ideology
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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The Lies Were Always the Point
Back when Donald Trump was the main one telling lies and his boosters were scrambling all around him to make it so, there was a certain comic quality to it all: What was the point in distorting weather maps or crowd sizes just to flatter a weirdo narcissist? Experts in authoritarianism were warning that this type of manipulation was how strongmen cling to power, sure, but it seemed easy enough to push it away and assume that once he was no longer president, the persistent flattery and adjusting of reality for his benefit would stop. But it’s now clear that the falsehood itself is the endgame. As historian Timothy Snyder cautioned after the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol, “When we give up on truth, we concede power to those with the wealth and charisma to create spectacle in its place. Without agreement about some basic facts, citizens cannot form the civil society that would allow them to defend themselves. If we lose the institutions that produce facts that are pertinent to us, then we tend to wallow in attractive abstractions and fictions.” That’s why debates about whether Trumpism can exist post-Trump or why the GOP has refused to abandon Trump miss the point. The point is that the GOP has abandoned truth. Trump himself is ancillary to that move.
The temptation has always been to try to sort the Trump lies into the hilarious ones and the pernicious ones, but that, too, misses the point. If the lying itself is the objective, the difference between the clueless whopper and the sly distortion is immaterial; in fact, the clueless whopper can be more potent because it offers up greater spectacle and affords more opportunity for performing loyalty. As recently as the second impeachment, the clueless whopper—about peaceful protesters and false flag antifa activists at the capitol—lived largely in the fever swamps. A few months later, it is being parroted by Trump and members of the Senate. The Big Lie, however absurd it might be, can overtake reality so fast the only trick anyone need master is the patience to ride it out. That means the only strategy needed for liars is to repeat the lie. Trump, who had little mastery of most skills, was always a wizard at this move.
For years, Trump used the phrase “many people are saying” to essentially mean “someday people will be saying.” He did so understanding that if you say such things enough times, someone somewhere will parrot it as a fundamental truth, and then your initial statement will be true(ish—many people will be saying the untrue thing). “Many people are saying [this lie]” was always code for “if we get people to say [this lie], it will seem true.” Trump’s admission of that principle at CPAC on Sunday gave away the game. He confessed, about polling numbers, that “if it’s bad, I say it’s fake. If it’s good, I say, that’s the most accurate poll perhaps ever.” The lie thus goes from a fiction in the lizard brain of a dangerously delusional man to headline news to gospel for people who have been trained to invert whatever they see from the news. In which case why wouldn’t Rudy Giuliani advise Trump on election night 2020 that he should simply lie and claim victory? That had been the game all along.
The courts are attempting to separate the liars from their lies, by sanctioning the liars. But when simply spreading the lie is the point, that proves trickier than you might imagine. At a hearing before a federal court in Detroit on Monday, in which a judge probed how it could be the case that Trump’s election lawyers filed hundreds of pages of unverified speculation and gobsmacking errors in a case seeking to decertify Joe Biden’s victory in Michigan, the problem was laid bare: A Zoom screen full of attorneys bound by sworn obligations of candor, civility, and truth joyfully contended that people were saying false things. Lawyers representing Trump’s campaign, including Sidney Powell and Lin Wood were called out by U.S. District Court Judge Linda Parker for bolstering their pleadings with false, unsupported, and speculative cl
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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.
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The Lies Were Always the Point
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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.
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Quote:That's just about where I stopped reading bc I know the author is lying.
Originally posted by second:
The Lies Were Always the Point
Back when Donald Trump was the main one telling lies and his boosters were scrambling all around him to make it so, there was a certain comic quality to it all: What was the point in distorting weather maps or crowd sizes just to flatter a weirdo narcissist? Experts in authoritarianism were warning that this type of manipulation was how strongmen cling to power, sure, but it seemed easy enough to push it away and assume that once he was no longer president, the persistent flattery and adjusting of reality for his benefit would stop. But it’s now clear that the falsehood itself is the endgame. As historian Timothy Snyder cautioned after the Jan. 6 insurrection
Anyone who refers to Jan 6 as an "insurrection" is "adjusting reality" for a political purposes (= propagandizing). And unless they acknowledge the real lies ... RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! ... Collusion!..."white supremacy is the biggest threat our nation faces!"... "quid pro quo!"... "Russia paid bounties in Afghanistan!" ... "Mostly peaceful" riots... etc etc .... lies that we were ENDLESSLY deluged with for five years (and counting!)
Plus the lies of omission: Hunter Biden's laptop and his dad's involvement in Hunter's money-making schemes; whitewashing Hillary, Brennan, and Obama; the potentially artificial origin of Covid-19...
Lies that seem to have permanently distorted the thinking of about 40% of America and set Americans against each other ...
I will never trust a word they say or write.
Why should I believe propagada?
Oh, and BTW, if you want to see what a REAL insurrection looks like, try this:
Quote:PRODUCE facts? Facts are discovered, not "produced". Unless, of course, you're in the business of producing propaganda.
“When we give up on truth, we concede power to those with the wealth and charisma to create spectacle in its place. Without agreement about some basic facts, citizens cannot form the civil society that would allow them to defend themselves. If we lose the institutions that produce facts
PLEASE, STOP POSTING PROPAGANDA, SECONDRATE. Put at least a little shitscreen on before you splatter the board!
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.
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Quote:Story on Jan 5: Despite pressure from U.S. President Donald Trump to help overturn his election loss, Vice President Mike Pence will stick to his ceremonial duties and not block Wednesday’s certification by Congress of President-elect Joe Biden’s victory, advisers said. Trump ramped up pressure on Pence on Tuesday to block congressional certification of the November election results in an ongoing attempt to stay in power, after dozens of lawsuits by his campaign challenging the outcome failed in U.S. courts.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I stopped reading bc I know the author is lying.
Anyone who refers to Jan 6 as an "insurrection" is "adjusting reality" for a political purposes (= propagandizing). And unless they acknowledge the real lies ... RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! ...
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-pence/despite-trump-pressure-p
ence-will-not-block-bidens-election-certification-advisers-idUSKBN29A2J0
Senate Majority Leader McConnell (R-KY) spoke about the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, and blamed President Trump for inciting the riot. The video is here:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?507835-4/senator-mcconnell-attack-us-cap
itol
"President Trump claimed the election was stolen." Senator Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., expressed his concern about the effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election as he spoke on the Senate Floor. McConnell said “If this election were overturned by mere allegations from the losing side our democracy would enter a death spiral. We’d never see the whole nation accept the election again.” The video is here:
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/politics/biden-administration/mcconnell
s-full-speech-on-senate-floor/2273479/
But what would McConnell know? Signym can't trust him because he has never been as big a friend to Trump as crazy Russian troll Signym. What about Mike Pence, Trump's Vice-President? Pence waited until June 24th before saying this:
Former vice-president Mike Pence used a speech late on Thursday to go much further than he has before in public to rebuke Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the Republican defeat in the 2020 presidential election, while adding he will “always be proud” of playing his part to certify Joe Biden’s victory. The US Congress, with Pence presiding in the Senate, confirmed the election result in the early hours of 7 January after the deadly insurrection the day before by extremist supporters of Trump, shortly after the then president had urged them “to fight like hell” to reverse his defeat and pressured Pence not to certify Biden’s win.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/25/mike-pence-trump-capitol-attac
k-election-result
'Hang Mike Pence': Twitter stops phrase trending after Capitol riot. Chant was heard in the US Capitol on Wednesday as pro-Trump mob, incited by the president, stormed the building.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/10/hang-mike-pence-twitter-stops-
phrase-trending-capitol-breach
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Bridging the wide gap between civilians and the armed forces is the best way to prevent future unwinnable wars.
Americans Venerate the Military but Don’t Really Understand What It Does
After two decades of war, the U.S. military is still the most trusted institution in the nation. But with the military’s involvement in Afghanistan drawing to its end and American troops still at risk in Iraq, the divide between the civilian and military worlds is wider than ever.
My father served in Iraq during the Gulf War, and I served in the same country during the war against ISIS 25 years later, an example of how military service is becoming more associated with familial ties, and ever more separate from the general population. An ever-smaller portion of the U.S. population, not to mention U.S. politicians, has any experience with military personnel. As the prospect of the end of our forever wars draws nearer, it’s time for the nation and its armed forces to reassess their relationships with each other. A stronger civil-military relationship may prevent our involvement in future unwinnable wars, and it may also help prevent needless deaths caused by an insular military culture during peacetime. In light of recent political events, strengthened ties can also prevent the horrifying prospect of our troops being used by political actors against our own citizens.
The Defense Department itself bears a large responsibility for its estrangement from the American public. While serving as a journalist in the Army, I often found that our own efforts at outreach were hindered by cultural norms and procedures that rewarded minimizing contact with the outside world. Media organizations were kept at arm’s length, and all news releases (including mine) were strenuously reviewed to ensure that they were on message. Concrete steps must be taken to engage in dialogue with citizens not just outside of military bases, but at college campuses, in areas that usually do not draw recruits, in places where the military may not be liked. Traditionally, when it comes to public affairs, military doctrine emphasizes persuasion, but the goal of this engagement with the public should be to provide information that allows citizens to civically engage with our government about the use of and policies relevant to armed service members.
There are many cultural issues in the military that need outside perspectives to change the status quo. Suicides among service members killed more personnel than our wars combined since 2001. Most personnel in the military never go to war, much less see combat, yet still commit suicide due to the stressors of military life.
While in Iraq, I was sometimes told that showing the conditions that personnel were living in or using their exact words would cause a public reaction that would not be beneficial to what we in the military were trying to accomplish. This line of thinking is responsible for the continuous rosy reports by military public affairs from Afghanistan and Iraq, even as the reality on the ground was much darker.
This campaign has included the utterly bizarre rewriting of history: In the most recent Call of Duty game, the Gulf War’s “Highway of Death” — where U.S. airpower conducted a wholesale slaughter of retreating Iraqis — was changed to a Russian operation.
More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/07/civil-military-divide-medi
a-forever-wars.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
After two decades of war, the U.S. military is still the most trusted institution in the nation.
Citation needed.
I think most people would put the Post Office and the Public Library above the military.
Sure, the PO loses a lot of shit and the libraries burn books. But c'mon man.
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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.
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Quote:https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/confidence-institutions.aspx
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
After two decades of war, the U.S. military is still the most trusted institution in the nation.
Citation needed.
If you want editorializing: https://www.google.com/search?q=U.S.+military+is+still+the+most+truste
d+institution+in+the+nation
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/confidence-institutions.aspx
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
After two decades of war, the U.S. military is still the most trusted institution in the nation.
Citation needed.
They didn't bother with the Post Office or Public Library, I see.
Looks like Small Businesses eeks out the win by 3 percentage points over the Military according to those graphs.
Still a pretty sad statistic how much trust Gallup came up with for the Military. I'm thinking once you take out Boomers and the Silent Generation that figure looks more like trust in Congress or the Media.
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If you want editorializing: https://www.google.com/search?q=U.S.+military+is+still+the+most+truste
d+institution+in+the+nation
I never, ever want editorializing.
Prime example right here being that whoever is printing those stories didn't actually look at the graphs and realize that the Military is the 2nd most trusted institution in the nation according to Gallup.
But that headline doesn't get clicks. And nobody actually looks at the data.
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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.
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https://web.archive.org/web/20210715095300/https://www.nytimes.com/202
1/07/15/opinion/climate-change-energy-infrastructure.html
It Seems Odd That We Would Just Let the World Burn
by Ezra Klein
I spent the weekend reading a book I wasn’t entirely comfortable being seen with in public. Andreas Malm’s “How to Blow Up a Pipeline” is only slightly inaptly named. You won’t find, anywhere inside, instructions on sabotaging energy infrastructure. A truer title would be “Why to Blow Up a Pipeline.” On this, Malm’s case is straightforward: Because nothing else has worked.
Free download of How to Blow Up a Pipeline at https://libgen.unblockit.uno/search.php?req=Andreas+Malm
Decades of climate activism have gotten millions of people into the streets but they haven’t turned the tide on emissions, or even investments. Citing a 2019 study in the journal Nature, Malm observes that, measuring by capacity, 49 percent of the fossil-fuel-burning energy infrastructure now in operation was installed after 2004. Add in the expected emissions from projects in some stage of the planning process and we are most of the way toward warming the world by 2 degrees Celsius — a prospect scientists consider terrifying and most world governments have repeatedly pledged to avoid. Some hoped that the pandemic would alter the world’s course, but it hasn’t. Oil consumption is hurtling back to pre-crisis levels, and demand for coal, the dirtiest of the fuels, is rising.
“Here is what this movement of millions should do, for a start,” Malm writes. “Announce and enforce the prohibition. Damage and destroy new CO2-emitting devices. Put them out of commission, pick them apart, demolish them, burn them, blow them up. Let the capitalists who keep on investing in the fire know that their properties will be trashed.”
The question at the heart of Malm’s book is why this isn’t happening already. “Were we governed by reason, we would be on the barricades today, dragging the drivers of Range Rovers and Nissan Patrols out of their seats, occupying and shutting down the coal-burning power stations, bursting in upon the Blairs’ retreat from reality in Barbados and demanding a reversal of economic life as dramatic as the one we bore when we went to war with Hitler,” he says.
Malm offers two answers for the resolute nonviolence of the climate movement. The first is “strategic pacificism,” the belief that nonviolent protest is more effective than violent resistance. Much of the book is occupied by Malm’s rebuttal to potted histories of past social movements, which is persuasive in parts. He’s surely right that we sanitize past uprisings, lionizing the peaceful and blackening or forgetting the names of the violent. There is at least an argument that it’s the interplay of forces that transforms societies. There was no peaceful American Revolution. There were riots and rifles woven into the civil rights movement. “Does this movement possess a radical flank?” asks Malm.
As to whether blowing up pipelines would work here, and now, Malm is less convincing. The likeliest outcome is that a few dozen climate activists would be jailed for years (as some already have been) and a wave of laws criminalizing even peaceful protest would sweep the nation. He has no answers for those who fear the probable political consequences: an immediate backlash that sweeps enemies of climate action into power, eliminating even the fragile hopes for policy progress.
“I do think we need to show society there’s something radical on the line, but can you imagine how thrilled Republican politicians would be if people began blowing up pipelines?” David Roberts, author of the invaluable climate newsletter Volts, told me. “They’ve been trying to make eco-terrorism a thing for years. Imagine the first time someone gets hurt.”
Elsewhere in the book, Malm is firmly opposed to tactics that could signal contempt or hostility for the working class. But the consequence of a wave of bombings to obliterate energy infrastructure would be to raise the price on energy immediately
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Got bored of our conversation, huh?
Yeah. Me too.
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Quote:Small Business was slightly more trusted than the military, but Small Business is NOT an Institution because it is millions of businesses, totally disconnected from each other, each with different tradition. You did not really have a valid point. You had an insignificant quibble.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Got bored of our conversation, huh?
Yeah. Me too.
If you really want a silly fight, declare the military is not one institution. There is the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, Space Force! (Trump's), United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, NOAA Commissioned Officer Corps. Which of those is the most trusted Institution? Coast Guard. I absolutely trust them to not to fire their ship mounted cannon at the wrong people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniformed_services_of_the_United_States
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Originally posted by second:Quote:https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/confidence-institutions.aspx
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
After two decades of war, the U.S. military is still the most trusted institution in the nation.
Citation needed.
They didn't bother with the Post Office or Public Library, I see.
Looks like Small Businesses eeks out the win by 3 percentage points over the Military according to those graphs.
Still a pretty sad statistic how much trust Gallup came up with for the Military. I'm thinking once you take out Boomers and the Silent Generation that figure looks more like trust in Congress or the Media.
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Milley repeatedly met in private with the Joint Chiefs. He told them to make sure there were no unlawful orders from Trump and not to carry out any such orders without calling him first — almost a conscious echo of the final days of Richard Nixon, when Nixon’s Defense Secretary, James Schlesinger, reportedly warned the military not to act on any orders from the White House to launch a nuclear strike without first checking with him or with the national-security adviser, Henry Kissinger. At one meeting with the Joint Chiefs, in Milley’s Pentagon office, the chairman invoked Benjamin Franklin’s famous line, saying they should all hang together. To concerned members of Congress — including Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell — and also emissaries from the incoming Biden Administration, Milley also put out the word: Trump might attempt a coup, but he would fail because he would never succeed in co-opting the American military. “Our loyalty is to the U.S. Constitution,” Milley told them, and “we are not going to be involved in politics.”
This dangerous post-election period, Milley said, was all because of Trump’s “Hitler”-like embrace of the “Big Lie” that the election had been stolen from him; Milley feared it was Trump’s “Reichstag moment,” in which, like Adolf Hitler in 1933, he would manufacture a crisis in order to swoop in and rescue the nation from it.
On January 6th, a version of Milley’s nightmare scenario played out anyway: an attack on the U.S. Capitol by a pro-Trump mob seeking to stop Congress from ratifying Biden’s victory. Milley had not envisioned it, not exactly — his fears had been largely about street violence, involving running battles between pro-Trump thugs and left-wing opponents that Trump might use as a pretext for demanding martial law. This was the analogy to Germany in the nineteen-thirties that Milley had in mind. When January 6th happened, it wasn’t quite like that, of course. But Milley told others on that awful day that what they had dreaded had come to pass: Trump had his “Reichstag moment” after all.
www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-bidens-washington/youre-gonna-have-
a-fucking-war-mark-milleys-fight-to-stop-trump-from-striking-iran
January 6th Donald Trump: We will never give up, we will never concede
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Small Business was slightly more trusted than the military, but Small Business is NOT an Institution because it is millions of businesses, totally disconnected from each other, each with different tradition. You did not really have a valid point. You had an insignificant quibble.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Got bored of our conversation, huh?
Yeah. Me too.
If you really want a silly fight, declare the military is not one institution. There is the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, Space Force! (Trump's), United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, NOAA Commissioned Officer Corps. Which of those is the most trusted Institution? Coast Guard. I absolutely trust them to not to fire their ship mounted cannon at the wrong people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniformed_services_of_the_United_StatesQuote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/confidence-institutions.aspx
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
After two decades of war, the U.S. military is still the most trusted institution in the nation.
Citation needed.
They didn't bother with the Post Office or Public Library, I see.
Looks like Small Businesses eeks out the win by 3 percentage points over the Military according to those graphs.
Still a pretty sad statistic how much trust Gallup came up with for the Military. I'm thinking once you take out Boomers and the Silent Generation that figure looks more like trust in Congress or the Media.
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Gallup put it on the list.
Your Media Gods chose to ignore it. You didn't even know it was there until I brought it up.
Meanwhile...
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On January 6th, a version of Milley’s nightmare scenario played out anyway: an attack on the U.S. Capitol by a pro-Trump mob seeking to stop Congress from ratifying Biden’s victory. Milley had not envisioned it, not exactly — his fears had been largely about street violence, involving running battles between pro-Trump thugs and left-wing opponents that Trump might use as a pretext for demanding martial law. This was the analogy to Germany in the nineteen-thirties that Milley had in mind. When January 6th happened, it wasn’t quite like that, of course. But Milley told others on that awful day that what they had dreaded had come to pass: Trump had his “Reichstag moment” after all.
Milley didn't even notice CHAZ, or Antifa/BLM rioting in the streets all over the place last year. Or people being shot and robbed every day in every big Democrat ran city in the country.
Nobody takes you seriously because you and the people you follow are not serious people.
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Quote:It is not Milley, but General Milley. Trump repeatedly demanded the military shoot racial-justice protesters and/or bash their heads in. General Mark Milley and Attorney General Bill Barr explained to Trump that they couldn’t “just shoot” people. The president came up with an alternative suggestion. “Well, shoot them in the leg—or maybe the foot,” Trump reportedly said. “But be hard on them!”
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Milley didn't even notice CHAZ, or Antifa/BLM rioting in the streets all over the place last year. Or people being shot and robbed every day in every big Democrat ran city in the country.
Nobody takes you seriously because you and the people you follow are not serious people.
Milley and Defense Secretary Mark Esper were concerned that Trump would invoke the Insurrection Act over the protests, which he threatened to do. Such a move would have been wildly out of proportion with what was actually going on, a point Milley tried to stress to Trump using visual aids. Milley spotted President Abraham Lincoln’s portrait hanging just to the right of Trump and pointed directly at it. “That guy had an insurrection,” Milley told Trump. “What we have, Mr. President, is a protest.”
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/donald-trump-shoot-protestors
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It is not Milley, but General Milley.
Don't give a shit. It's whatever I want to call him.
Its Miley now. And its pronouns are They/Them.
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Quote:You and Trump want the General to kill Americans:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It is not Milley, but General Milley.
Don't give a shit. It's whatever I want to call him.
Its Miley now. And its pronouns are They/Them.
Quote:The General won't kill American citizens when Trump or Trumptards have anxiety attacks about crime. I've seen how crazy American soldiers and Trumptards with guns get when they have even a trace of anxiety. They instantaneously leap out of their minds, totally drowning in an interior dialog of fear, that you have to knock them down to get them to stop shooting at civilians. You might recall Kyle Rittenhouse, who is the classic Trumptard with a gun. He was shooting because he is crazy and other Trumptards, equally crazy or more, approve. You Trumptards are too unstable to own guns or be in the military or even vote, and yet you're allowed. Is this not a great country for the retarded and crazy? Yes, it is!
Milley didn't even notice CHAZ, or Antifa/BLM rioting in the streets all over the place last year. Or people being shot and robbed every day in every big Democrat ran city in the country.
Nobody takes you seriously because you and the people you follow are not serious people.
Keep track of Kyle Rittenhouse here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosha_unrest_shooting#Responses
Public sentiment regarding the shootings was polarized. Coverage was both critical and supportive of Rittenhouse's actions, and used terms such as "vigilante" and "terrorist", but also "volunteer" and "maintaining peace" to describe him.
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You and Trump want the General to kill Americans:Quote:
Milley didn't even notice CHAZ, or Antifa/BLM rioting in the streets all over the place last year. Or people being shot and robbed every day in every big Democrat ran city in the country.
Nobody takes you seriously because you and the people you follow are not serious people.
Nope. Just pointing out your endless hypocrisy.
You're fucking disgusting.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
You and Trump want the General to kill Americans:Quote:
Milley didn't even notice CHAZ, or Antifa/BLM rioting in the streets all over the place last year. Or people being shot and robbed every day in every big Democrat ran city in the country.
Nobody takes you seriously because you and the people you follow are not serious people.
Nope. Just pointing out your endless hypocrisy.
You're fucking disgusting.
6ix, do you actually think you are communicating sensibly when you use the word hypocrisy? For Trumptards, it's a reflex to strike back with words, like you are farting anger onto your keyboards. You're dumping what you feel in your guts onto the internet. You Trumptards spend too much time with your bowels in an emotional uproar over every little thing; Trump's bowels bother him just as frequently. Trump and Trumptards are the same, stinking up the world's culture with your flatulent words. When Trump told his Generals to kill protestors, the Generals could smell Trump's fear/anger in his words and told Trump to calm himself, but he would not. Trump's bowels keep bothering him:
Trump's Revenge Rally | 9 News Australia: "They're a different breed those Trump supporters." From the other side of the world, Australians can smell the Trumptards' fear and anger.
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Did Trump wish to be President for Life? Yes.
Was Trump mentally capable of organizing a coup to become President for Life? No.
Former national security adviser John Bolton questions whether former President Donald Trump was capable of orchestrating a violent coup.
www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/07/16/john-bolton-trump-coup-fascism-
newday-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/
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Oh yeah, like I'm going to believe Bolton!
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Quote:... You're dumping what you feel in your guts onto the internet. You Trumptards spend too much time with your bowels in an emotional uproar over every little thing...
Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
You and Trump want the General to kill Americans:Quote:
Milley didn't even notice CHAZ, or Antifa/BLM rioting in the streets all over the place last year. Or people being shot and robbed every day in every big Democrat ran city in the country.
Nobody takes you seriously because you and the people you follow are not serious people.
Nope. Just pointing out your endless hypocrisy.
You're fucking disgusting.
Look in the mirror, boy.
You are describing your own behavior.
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Oh yeah, like I'm going to believe Bolton!
Second does because it suits him.
He's a hypocrite.
At least when NeoCon Ted is blowing Bolton, we know that NeoCon Ted was always blowing Bolton.
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Speaking of Democrat hypocrites...
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Quote:HAHAHA! Too true!
SIGNYM: Oh yeah, like I'm going to believe Bolton!
SIX: Second does because it suits him.
He's a hypocrite.
At least when NeoCon Ted is blowing Bolton, we know that NeoCon Ted was always blowing Bolton.
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Quote:There are hundreds of books about Trump. You disbelieve them all? Do you not understand what Trump is? If you believe Trump's description of himself, rather than how Trump acts, you must get cheated by conmen.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh yeah, like I'm going to believe Bolton!
These books come at the same time that Republican leaders seem to be doubling down on their recognition that Trump remains the most important leader of the Republican Party. But they -- and all Americans -- should see these accounts as an urgent reminder of recent tumultuous history, and a new warning of the risks that are all too foreseeable, should they help him return to power.
Indeed, absurdly, during Trump's term in office, many Republicans often acted surprised about the former president's behavior. Despite a long-track record and visible history in the public eye, there were expressions of disbelief when Trump used his authority in aggressive fashion to pursue his own political objectives or when he refused to abide by traditional norms of governance.
But none of this should have come as a shock. The way that Trump acted as president fit into well-established patterns of who he was during his days as a controversial, media savvy real estate mogul in New York and as a reality show star who used his platform to, for example, question the birthplace of the nation's first African American president (a claim he later retracted.) Unlike the outsider Jimmy Carter in 1976, for instance, Trump was a well-known commodity. All someone had to do was listen to him demonstrate his values in appearances on the Howard Stern Show or read the New York Post to understand what "The Donald" was all about.
Of course, now the record is even more extensive. There is the entire history of his presidency, during which he was quite transparent about the rules of the office that he thought to be irrelevant to his personal success, and the lengths to which he was willing to go in political combat.
www.cnn.com/2021/07/15/opinions/mccarthy-and-gop-know-just-whats-comin
g-from-trump-zelizer/index.html
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Quote:what does that have to do with Bolton? Bolton is a known liar and conman himself.
SIGNYM:
Oh yeah, like I'm going to believe Bolton!
SECONDRATE: There are hundreds of books about Trump.
Quote:I haven't even read one, much less "all". How can I evaluate what I haven't even read?
SECONDRATE: You disbelieve them all?
Quote:I don't believe what Trump says about himself. In fact, I don't even KNOW what Trump says about himself bc I neither listen to nor read about it.
SECONDRATE: Do you not understand what Trump is? If you believe Trump's description of himself, rather than how Trump acts, you must get cheated by conmen.
At the same time, I can't avoid reading/hearing what the M$M and DNC and security state say about him, and it's almost 95% lies. So, I for sure don't believe them either. And if YOU do, then YOU'VE been cheated by conmen already. Dupe.
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At least we know that Second isn't paying any of those hacks for their books on Trump.
Second is a Pirate.
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Quote:Listen to Trump and you will come to a conclusion about his tax paying:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I don't believe what Trump says about himself. In fact, I don't even KNOW what Trump says about himself bc I neither listen to nor read about it.
At the same time, I can't avoid reading/hearing what the M$M and DNC and security state say about him, and it's almost 95% lies. So, I for sure don't believe them either. And if YOU do, then YOU'VE been cheated by conmen already. Dupe.
Trump never showed any proof from the IRS that there is an audit. He never proved he can't share his returns, either. It is his arbitrary decision to keep his returns a secret. Well, not at all arbitrary because the returns would be proof that he paid taxes. Trump paid no federal income taxes: https://fortune.com/2020/09/27/trump-paid-no-income-taxes/
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Quote:6ix, I am not the pirate who is placing books on https://libgen.unblockit.uno
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
At least we know that Second isn't paying any of those hacks for their books on Trump.
Second is a Pirate.
Thirty years ago, Albert O Hirschman published a short book that infuriated conservatives called The Rhetoric of Reaction. The book showed how conservative arguments across time and space fell into three rhetorical buckets:
(1) the perversity thesis, whereby any action to improve some feature of the political, social, or economic order is alleged to result in the exact opposite of what was intended;
(2) the futility thesis, which predicts that attempts at social transformation will produce no effects whatever -- will simply be incapable of making a dent in the status quo;
(3) the jeopardy thesis, holding that the cost of the proposed reform is unacceptable because it will endanger previous hard-won accomplishments (the opposite of futility, but who cares about consistency).
As well as being a great summer read, Hirschman’s rhetoric continues to shed a useful light on the present conservative obsessions.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/15/why-does-inflati
on-worry-the-right-so-much
To show how advocates of reactionary causes are caught by compelling reflexes and lumber predictably through set motions and maneuvers does not in itself refute the arguments, of course; but it does have a number of fairly corrosive consequences.
Free download of The Rhetoric of Reaction from the mirrors at
https://libgen.unblockit.uno/search.php?req=The+Rhetoric+of+Reaction
The epub version of The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy
https://libgen.unblockit.uno/libraryp2/main/2D9774612D58CD334583B485FE
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Quote:Affected with paranoia, 6ix?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Click those links at your own risk.
The Paranoid Style in American Politics
By Richard Hofstadter†
Harper’s Magazine, November 1964, pp. 77-86.
It had been around a long time before the Radical Right discovered it—and its targets have ranged from “the international bankers” to Masons, Jesuits, and munitions makers.
American politics has often been an arena for angry minds. In recent years we have seen angry minds at work mainly among extreme right-wingers, who have now demonstrated in the Goldwater movement how much political leverage can be got out of the animosities and passions of a small minority. But behind this I believe there is a style of mind that is far from new and that is not necessarily right-wind. I call it the paranoid style simply because no other word adequately evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I have in mind. In using the expression “paranoid style” I am not speaking in a clinical sense, but borrowing a clinical term for other purposes. I have neither the competence nor the desire to classify any figures of the past or present as certifiable lunatics. In fact, the idea of the paranoid style as a force in politics would have little contemporary relevance or historical value if it were applied only to men with profoundly disturbed minds. It is the use of paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes the phenomenon significant.
Of course this term is pejorative, and it is meant to be; the paranoid style has a greater affinity for bad causes than good. But nothing really prevents a sound program or demand from being advocated in the paranoid style. Style has more to do with the way in which ideas are believed than with the truth or falsity of their content. I am interested here in getting at our political psychology through our political rhetoric. The paranoid style is an old and recurrent phenomenon in our public life which has been frequently linked with movements of suspicious discontent.
Here is Senator McCarthy, speaking in June 1951 about the parlous situation of the United States:
How can we account for our present situation unless we believe that men high in this government are concerting to deliver us to disaster? This must be the product of a great conspiracy on a scale so immense as to dwarf any previous such venture in the history of man. A conspiracy of infamy so black that, which it is finally exposed, its principals shall be forever deserving of the maledictions of all honest men....What can be made of this unbroken series of decisions and acts contributing to the strategy of defeat? They cannot be attributed to incompetence....The laws of probability would dictate that part of...the decisions would serve the country’s interest.
More at https://web.archive.org/web/20170116220729/http://www.fuminyang.com/mi
chelle/Paranoid%20Style.pdf
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Affected with paranoia, 6ix?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Click those links at your own risk.
No. I just don't click strange links like the rest of you dummies do, and a Google search says that libgen.unblockit is untrustworthy/unsafe.
Not that I trust Google any more or less than I do you, or Snopes, or NYT, etc... but the ROI for clicking a shady link that YOU post to grab a book I'm never going to read is zero, so better safe than sorry isn't even a question here.
Especially when I already know of places that I trust to find things I'm looking for.
P.S. If you ever do manage to find Antiracist Baby for me, trust that I'll be grabbing that link from a virtual session within a virtual session and then subsequently setting that virtual install on fire after I've got the book.
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Quote:You cannot properly mock the book without a paper copy to rip pages out of. Amazon will let you look inside the book before you buy. Or return it after you buy:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
P.S. If you ever do manage to find Antiracist Baby for me, trust that I'll be grabbing that link from a virtual session within a virtual session and then subsequently setting that virtual install on fire after I've got the book.
https://www.amazon.com/Antiracist-Baby-Picture-Ibram-Kendi/dp/05931105
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Republicans Have Taken a Brave Stand in Defense of Tax Cheats
Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, for instance, merely offered that “throwing billions more taxpayer dollars at the IRS will only hurt Americans struggling to recover after waves of devastating lockdowns” and that “Instead of increasing funding for the IRS, we should abolish the damn place.” Again, the people currently not being audited are the wealthiest Americans who endured a year of lockdowns just fine, but thanks, Ted.
Rob Portman, the GOP senator from Ohio, announced that the bipartisan infrastructure package that lawmakers have been haggling over for months would not include a proposal to raise revenue by boosting funding for the Internal Revenue Service. The deal’s original outline would have provided $40 billion to help the agency collect more of the taxes that Americans fail to pay each year. But after a rebellion by conservative activist groups, Republicans got cold feet about the idea. Now, they have officially nixed it.
IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig testified earlier this year that the government may be failing to collect more than $1 trillion of the taxes it is owed annually, up from the previous official estimate of $441 billion per year.
Republicans have showed their core philosophy when it comes to taxes. The party doesn’t just believe taxes should be low. They believe paying them should be optional.
In the late 1990s, Republicans held an explosive series of hearings in which IRS agents were accused of committing grotesque abuses against taxpayers and engaging in “gestapo-like tactics.” Many of the stories turned out to be simply untrue, as a report by the General Accountability Office later revealed. One crucial witness, who among other things claimed tax agents had raided his restaurant at gunpoint and knocked his 12-year-old son to the floor, was forced to recant his story when it fell apart during a lawsuit. But the hearings led to a major 1998 reform bill that reorganized the IRS and limited its enforcement tactics.
Tea Party groups accused the IRS of singling them out for politically motivated audits. The accusations generated an enormous, years-long scandal that embedded itself into conservative lore. It also turned out to be wholly untrue—a Treasury Department report eventually revealed that the IRS had been scrutinizing both progressive and conservative groups over potential tax violations. But the GOP used it as an excuse to eviscerate the IRS’ budget.
More at https://slate.com/business/2021/07/republicans-taxes-irs-bipartisan-in
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When Trump was president, Republicans raised taxes on the middle class and lowered them for the rich
https://jabberwocking.com/when-trump-was-president-republicans-raised-
taxes-on-the-middle-class-and-lowered-them-for-the-rich/
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When Trump was president, Republicans raised taxes on the middle class and lowered them for the rich
https://jabberwocking.com/when-trump-was-president-republicans-raised-
taxes-on-the-middle-class-and-lowered-them-for-the-rich/
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When Biden* was president, Democrats raised taxes on the middle class and gave it to the poor.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64455
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You cannot properly mock the book without a paper copy to rip pages out of. Amazon will let you look inside the book before you buy. Or return it after you buy:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
P.S. If you ever do manage to find Antiracist Baby for me, trust that I'll be grabbing that link from a virtual session within a virtual session and then subsequently setting that virtual install on fire after I've got the book.
https://www.amazon.com/Antiracist-Baby-Picture-Ibram-Kendi/dp/05931105
01/
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I'm doing a killer photoshop job on the high quality pages I managed to find.
But a book this cringe only comes around once a generation and needs to be fully parodied.
I'm not going to buy it though.
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Quote:You are bothered by, and I am quoting you on the child credit:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
When Trump was president, Republicans raised taxes on the middle class and lowered them for the rich
https://jabberwocking.com/when-trump-was-president-republicans-raised-
taxes-on-the-middle-class-and-lowered-them-for-the-rich/
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When Biden* was president, Democrats raised taxes on the middle class and gave it to the poor.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64455
Quote:How many people make more than $150,000 in every US state? According to the US Census Bureau, only 5.5% of West Virginia households make over $150,000, while 21.3% of New Jerseyans earn at least that much.
4. It lowered the caps on income by A LOT. Instead of the cap being at $400,000 for married couples, it's only $150,000 now. A lot less people are going to get this credit next year, and they will be the ones subsidizing this for the most part.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/household-income-distribution-u-s-sta
te/
6ix, you are the same as every Trumptard I know. When you can find a way, you cheat on taxes. When you can't find a way, you bitch and moan.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You are bothered by, and I am quoting you on the child credit:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
When Trump was president, Republicans raised taxes on the middle class and lowered them for the rich
https://jabberwocking.com/when-trump-was-president-republicans-raised-
taxes-on-the-middle-class-and-lowered-them-for-the-rich/
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When Biden* was president, Democrats raised taxes on the middle class and gave it to the poor.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64455Quote:How many people make more than $150,000 in every US state? According to the US Census Bureau, only 5.5% of West Virginia households make over $150,000, while 21.3% of New Jerseyans earn at least that much.
4. It lowered the caps on income by A LOT. Instead of the cap being at $400,000 for married couples, it's only $150,000 now. A lot less people are going to get this credit next year, and they will be the ones subsidizing this for the most part.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/household-income-distribution-u-s-sta
te/
6ix, you are the same as every Trumptard I know. When you can find a way, you cheat on taxes. When you can't find a way, you bitch and moan.
Prime example of 2 + 2 = 5.
I have no kids. Even if I did, I'm so far below $150,000 income that the change wouldn't have negatively impacted me anyhow.
Furthermore, I'm wondering if you consider the Child Tax Credit "cheating". That seems to be what you're insinuating.
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Quote:Prime example of 2 + 2 = 5: When the IRS started requiring Social Security numbers for each child getting a tax credit, 7,000,000 "children" vanished from America. The worst kidnapping wave in history? Hardly. The thought of being caught was enough to stop at least part of the cheating. 2 + 2 = 5: The IRS did not even have to check the Social Security numbers and file millions of lawsuits to collect $billions in unpaid taxes.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Prime example of 2 + 2 = 5.
Originally posted by second:
6ix, you are the same as every Trumptard I know. When you can find a way, you cheat on taxes. When you can't find a way, you bitch and moan.
I have no kids. Even if I did, I'm so far below $150,000 income that the change wouldn't have negatively impacted me anyhow.
Furthermore, I'm wondering if you consider the Child Tax Credit "cheating". That seems to be what you're insinuating.
Disappearing Dependents:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/declaration-of-non-dependents/
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Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Prime example of 2 + 2 = 5.
Originally posted by second:
6ix, you are the same as every Trumptard I know. When you can find a way, you cheat on taxes. When you can't find a way, you bitch and moan.
I have no kids. Even if I did, I'm so far below $150,000 income that the change wouldn't have negatively impacted me anyhow.
Furthermore, I'm wondering if you consider the Child Tax Credit "cheating". That seems to be what you're insinuating.
Stay on topic.
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Quote:6ix said the topic is:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Stay on topic.
Quote:
When Biden* was president, Democrats raised taxes on the middle class and gave it to the poor.
I showed 6ix with figures and references that he is WRONG and I proved that:
When Trump was president, Republicans raised taxes on the middle class and gave it to the rich.
6ix won't admit he is wrong. Characteristically, Trumptards cannot correct themselves. Because they can't, life is a long struggle for them since conmen and businessmen know how to outwit them by stealth-fully taking away their money when they make purchases and sign contracts and are hired for jobs that are dull and often routine, with a narrow path for a few of them to a better job.
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Should Only the Little People Pay Taxes? Why is the G.O.P. objectively pro-tax evasion?
The Treasury Department believes that there is a “tax gap,” taxes owed but not paid, of more than $500 billion every year; some estimates put the number much higher. And the Biden administration proposes giving the I.R.S. enough resources to reduce this gap as a way to help pay for investment in America’s future.
Republicans negotiating over a possible infrastructure bill ruled out paying for it in part by giving the Internal Revenue Service more resources to go after tax evasion. If the administration goes this route, it will apparently do so with little if any Republican support.
Just to be clear, I’m not surprised to learn that a significant number of senators are sympathetic to the interests of wealthy tax cheats, that they are objectively pro-tax evasion. I am, however, surprised that they are willing to be so open about their sympathies.
There is, after all, a big difference between arguing for low taxes on the rich and arguing, in effect, that rich people who don’t pay what they legally owe should be allowed to get away with it.
One recent estimate is that more than 20 percent of the income of the top 1 percent goes unreported. Republicans opposing stronger tax enforcement are barely even trying to justify themselves, except by bringing up old, long-debunked claims that the I.R.S. targeted conservative groups. Yet they seem determined to defend the privileges of wealthy tax cheats. Why?
Obviously some big tax cheats are also big political donors. What I’d suggest is that the cheats’ clout within the G.O.P. has actually increased as the party has gotten crazier.
There have always been wealthy Americans who dislike the right’s embrace of racial hostility and culture wars but have been willing to swallow their distaste as long as Republicans keep their taxes low. But as the G.O.P. has become more extreme — as it has become the party of election lies and violent insurrection — who among the wealthy is still willing to make that trade-off?
Some rich Americans have always been right-wing radicals. But as for the rest, the party’s base within the donor class presumably consists increasingly of those among the wealthy with the fewest scruples and the least concern for their reputations — who are precisely the kind of people most likely to engage in blatant tax evasion.
More at https://web.archive.org/web/20210722231206/https://www.nytimes.com/202
1/07/22/opinion/tax-evasion-irs.html
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Biden understands that in an unregulated market, the first thing successful competitors will do is subvert competition. That’s why, earlier this month, he signed an executive order to tighten enforcement of antitrust laws, facilitate drug importation, require companies to disclose more information for comparison shoppers, and restrict anti-competitive employment, rental, and consumer contracts. The point of the executive order, he explained on Monday, was to promote “fair and open competition … the cornerstone of American capitalism” by helping new businesses take on “giant corporations who have been free to ramp up prices because they haven’t had any real competition.”
More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/07/biden-capitalism-socialist
-gop.html
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Originally posted by second:
Should Only the Little People Pay Taxes? Why is the G.O.P. objectively pro-tax evasion?
The Treasury Department believes that there is a “tax gap,” taxes owed but not paid, of more than $500 billion every year; some estimates put the number much higher. And the Biden administration proposes giving the I.R.S. enough resources to reduce this gap as a way to help pay for investment in America’s future.
Republicans negotiating over a possible infrastructure bill ruled out paying for it in part by giving the Internal Revenue Service more resources to go after tax evasion. If the administration goes this route, it will apparently do so with little if any Republican support.
Just to be clear, I’m not surprised to learn that a significant number of senators are sympathetic to the interests of wealthy tax cheats, that they are objectively pro-tax evasion. I am, however, surprised that they are willing to be so open about their sympathies.
There is, after all, a big difference between arguing for low taxes on the rich and arguing, in effect, that rich people who don’t pay what they legally owe should be allowed to get away with it.
One recent estimate is that more than 20 percent of the income of the top 1 percent goes unreported. Republicans opposing stronger tax enforcement are barely even trying to justify themselves, except by bringing up old, long-debunked claims that the I.R.S. targeted conservative groups. Yet they seem determined to defend the privileges of wealthy tax cheats. Why?
Obviously some big tax cheats are also big political donors. What I’d suggest is that the cheats’ clout within the G.O.P. has actually increased as the party has gotten crazier.
There have always been wealthy Americans who dislike the right’s embrace of racial hostility and culture wars but have been willing to swallow their distaste as long as Republicans keep their taxes low. But as the G.O.P. has become more extreme — as it has become the party of election lies and violent insurrection — who among the wealthy is still willing to make that trade-off?
Some rich Americans have always been right-wing radicals. But as for the rest, the party’s base within the donor class presumably consists increasingly of those among the wealthy with the fewest scruples and the least concern for their reputations — who are precisely the kind of people most likely to engage in blatant tax evasion.
More at https://web.archive.org/web/20210722231206/https://www.nytimes.com/202
1/07/22/opinion/tax-evasion-irs.html
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If any of this were true, you wouldn't see every big corporation blowing the Democratic Party and spewing their poisonous "Progressive" ideology all over the internet.
The Democrat Party is the Party of the rich people.
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Biden understands that in an unregulated market, the first thing successful competitors will do is subvert competition. That’s why, earlier this month, he signed an executive order to tighten enforcement of antitrust laws, facilitate drug importation, require companies to disclose more information for comparison shoppers, and restrict anti-competitive employment, rental, and consumer contracts. The point of the executive order, he explained on Monday, was to promote “fair and open competition … the cornerstone of American capitalism” by helping new businesses take on “giant corporations who have been free to ramp up prices because they haven’t had any real competition.”
More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/07/biden-capitalism-socialist
-gop.html
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Talk to me when they break up Google.
P.S. Joe Biden* doesn't even know who Joe Biden* is.
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Quote:6ix, you lost touch with reality long time ago.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If any of this were true, you wouldn't see every big corporation blowing the Democratic Party and spewing their poisonous "Progressive" ideology all over the internet.
The Democrat Party is the Party of the rich people.
It would be an understatement to call Steve Weinberg “left-of-center.” He believed in higher taxes on rich people like himself to service a robust social safety net. When Trump won, Steve remarked to me that most of the disgusting and outrageous things Trump would do could be reversed in a generation or so — but not the aggressive climate change denial; that actually could matter on the scale of centuries. Steve made the news in Austin for openly defying the Texas law forcing public universities to allow concealed carry on campus: he said that, regardless of what the law said, firearms would not be welcome in his classrooms. (Louise, Steve’s wife for 67 years and a professor at UT Austin’s law school, also wrote perhaps the definitive scholarly takedown of the shameful Bush vs. Gore Supreme Court decision, which installed George W. Bush as president.)
https://law.utexas.edu/faculty/publications/2002-When-Courts-Decide-El
ections-The-Constitutionality-of-Bush-v-Gore
https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=5566
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Dan Price @DanPriceSeattle
Want to cut taxes for regular people? I have a simple idea.
Every year the rich owe $554 billion in taxes they illegally never pay.
If we just enforced IRS laws to collect that money, we could cut every taxpayer's tax bill by $3,800 a year.
Why does the GOP oppose this?
1:53 PM · Jul 23, 2021·Twitter Web App
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Originally posted by second:Quote:6ix, you lost touch with reality long time ago.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If any of this were true, you wouldn't see every big corporation blowing the Democratic Party and spewing their poisonous "Progressive" ideology all over the internet.
The Democrat Party is the Party of the rich people.
I wholly reject that assessment coming from you.
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Quote:The millions of Trumptards in America should follow your example and stay home from work to show that business can't continue without them. Trumptards will discover that is not true. Business does continue without them.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:I wholly reject that assessment coming from you.
Originally posted by second:
6ix, you lost touch with reality long time ago.
The latest Firefly comic illustrates that particularly well using old Browncoats.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=20&tid=62603&mid=11378
04#1137804
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You're using a comic to address reality?
Oh, the irony.
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Quote:Have you never seen anyone feeling defeated and then getting drunk? Or seen a death that leaves a wife alone to raise the children? Then look to the Firefly comics and see both dramatic situations on a single page!
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You're using a comic to address reality?
Oh, the irony.
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And once again you confuse the direct experience of reality with a second-hand fantasy made up by another.
Is that why you call yourself SECOND?
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I'm doing just fine, buddy.
Unless Biden*'s inflation fucks everything up, I got enough for the bare essentials for at least 5 or 6 years without having to do a damn thing I don't want to do.
I'm also 4 years, 7 months and somewhere around 25 or 26 days sober. Not that I'm counting, mind... It's just easy to remember since I started whenever I woke up from my 2016 New Years Eve bender.
Drinking is the last thing in the world I would ever do.
And if you don't believe anything else I've ever said here, do believe that there is nothing a little turd like you could ever say or do to drive me to drink.
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Quote:Wrong: “Trump will be fine.” - 6ix. Correct: Trump will be dead. Trump has been asking advisers in recent weeks if he could somehow reassume the presidency this year after listening to farfetched suggestions from conservative commentators and allies. Trump's fantasy is hopelessly insane. American politicians do not lose their reelection races only to be reinstalled later on, as might the second-place horse in a race whose winner was disqualified. The idea is otherworldly and obscene.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm doing just fine, buddy.
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Quote:We'll all be dead, in time. Like tears in rain.
Trump will be dead.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Wrong: “Trump will be fine.” - 6ix. Correct: Trump will be dead. Trump has been asking advisers in recent weeks if he could somehow reassume the presidency this year after listening to farfetched suggestions from conservative commentators and allies. Trump's fantasy is hopelessly insane. American politicians do not lose their reelection races only to be reinstalled later on, as might the second-place horse in a race whose winner was disqualified. The idea is otherworldly and obscene.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm doing just fine, buddy.
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I'm going to do you a solid and not consider this another death threat going on the list.
That being said, what you followed it up with in no way relates to your assertion that Trump will be dead.
Also, I didn't say shit about Trump being President later this year. He's just trolling you, idiot.
He will be reelected in 2024 after Biden* sinks the economy and keeps letting 200k Illegal Aliens into the country every month to make up for the fact that absolutely nobody is having any fuckin' kids right now because they're starting to get a glimpse of it and they're absolutely terrified of the Democrat's Future.
Vaccines that don't work. Possible nationwide lockdowns again for who the hell knows how long... Maybe forever... Like the war in the Middle East that's never going to fucking end? No houses that are affordable. Inflation up everyones asses. Opioid/Meth use skyrocketing. Crime spilling out from Democrat ran shitholes after the unemployment bonuses dry up and people start being kicked out on the streets when the CDC mandated rent moratorium comes to an end. And no fucking cops anywhere because they've all been defunded.
That's what you and Ted voted for, dummy.
I hope you're proud of yourselves.
Maybe we can do the regular go-to Democrat/NeoCon stand-by and start more illegal wars to keep our minds off of all of it? Because we sure as hell don't want to ingest any of the Woke bullshit entertainment in 2021.
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Quote:I don't know you, but the people I know who voted for Trump, twice, and still support him are all crazy. If they were sane, they won't have the problems that plagued their lives. I expect their future will be the same as their past and they will die early, as will Trump, because Death comes early for the crazy.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm going to do you a solid and not consider this another death threat going on the list.
American Life Expectancy Dropped By A Full Year In 1st Half Of 2020
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/18/968791431/american-life-expectancy-drop
ped-by-a-full-year-in-the-first-half-of-2020
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I'm fine buddy.
Better build that moat in your ivory tower though.
They won't be coming for me when Democrats destroy everything.
They're headed straight for your house.
Hope you really have all of that money you always brag about to pay your private security force. Don't bother calling the cops. They're not coming.
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Quote:6ix, what you wrote just now is crazy. I wish I could say each sentence is crazier than the one before but the gestalt is pure nutjob, including what you wrote about vaccinations.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm fine buddy.
Better build that moat in your ivory tower though.
They won't be coming for me when Democrats destroy everything.
They're headed straight for your house.
Hope you really have all of that money you always brag about to pay your private security force. Don't bother calling the cops. They're not coming.
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I was very wrong when I wrote: "I don't know you, but the people I know who voted for Trump, twice, and still support him are all crazy." I do know you. 6ix is crazy.
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The beautiful thing about the Democrats forcing everything to a head is that only one of us can be right.
We'll see who's crazy buddy.
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Quote:Trump's 75. It's a bit late for him to have an early death.
... they will die early, as will Trump, because Death comes early for the crazy.
Your posts are getting more and more bizarre, like the one where you sententiously (used in the pejorative sense) claimed Trump will die. Of course he will. We all will.
We used to have a joke about those kind of statements. We'd call them "the lampshade is red" statements, said with all the serious sanctimoniousness one can muster.
You OK? Having an evolving stroke now? Or had one recently?
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Quote:Trump's 75. It's a bit late for him to have an early death.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
... they will die early, as will Trump, because Death comes early for the crazy.
Your posts are getting more and more bizarre, like the one where you sententiously (used in the pejorative sense) claimed Trump will die. Of course he will. We all will.
We used to have a joke about those kind of statements. We'd call them "the lampshade is red" statements, said with all the serious sanctimoniousness one can muster.
You OK? Having an evolving stroke now? Or had one recently?
As a 75 year old, Trump has to live another 11.2 years or else he will have died early. Check out "Table 15. Life expectancy at birth, at age 65, and at age 75, by sex, race, and Hispanic origin: United States, selected years 1900–2016"
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2017/015.pdf
The way Trump lives, I don't think he has 11.2 years more left in life. The next time, Walter Reed Medical Center won't be available to pull Trump back from the brink of death when he catches a disease that he would not catch if he hadn't acted like a complete fool. Trump’s Chief Of Staff Feared President Was Going To Die When He Had Covid was a recent headline.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/06/24/trumps-chief-of-s
taff-feared-president-was-going-to-die-when-he-had-covid-new-book-alleges/
1kiki, if you were really an American, you would know about the long life of other Americans. On the other hand, if you were a Russian Troll, a country where white males die young, then 75 year old Trump seems like he lived a very long time. At this moment, a Russian male will live to be 68.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.MA.IN?locations=RU
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Quote:For a few weeks in 1992, U.S. politics were all about “family values.” President George H.W. Bush was in electoral trouble because of a weak economy and rising inequality. So his vice president, Dan Quayle, tried to change the subject by a crazy attack on Murphy Brown, a character in a TV sitcom, an unmarried woman who chose to have a child.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The beautiful thing about the Democrats forcing everything to a head is that only one of us can be right.
We'll see who's crazy buddy.
I was reminded of that incident when I read about recent crazy remarks by J.D. Vance, the author of “Hillbilly Elegy,” who is now a Republican Senate candidate in Ohio. Vance noted that some prominent Democrats don’t have children, and he lashed out at the “childless left.” He also praised the policies of Viktor Orban, the leader of Hungary, whose government is subsidizing couples who have children, and asked, “Why can’t we do that here?”
As The Washington Post’s Dave Weigel, who was there, pointed out, it was odd that Vance didn’t mention Joe Biden’s newly instituted child tax credit, which will make an enormous difference to many poorer families with children.
It was also interesting that he praised Hungary rather than other European nations with strong pronatalist policies. France, in particular, offers large financial incentives to families with children and has one of the highest fertility rates in the advanced world. So why did crazy Vance single out for praise a repressive, autocratic government with a strong white nationalist bent?
That was a rhetorical question.
More about how crazy Republicans are at https://web.archive.org/web/20210727013349/https://www.nytimes.com/202
1/07/26/opinion/child-tax-credit-family-values.html
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Interestingly, there's a definition for "early death" aka "premature mortality".
I was going to post it - and the link - but you won't read it.
And yes, Trump's old enough that no mater when he dies from now on, it's too late to call it an early death.
Speaking of nationality, are you a US citizen yet? Have you figured out the Constitution - yanno, electoral college, innocent until proven guilty, freedom of speech, and all those Constitutional specifics that as a natural born US citizen I cherish and abide by, but which you hate?
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Quote:You really are a Russian Troll, 1kiki. And hurry with that promised link.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Interestingly, there's a definition for "early death" aka "premature mortality".
I was going to post it - and the link - but you won't read it.
And yes, Trump's old enough that no mater when he dies from now on, it's too late to call it an early death.
Speaking of nationality, are you a US citizen yet? Have you figured out the Constitution - yanno, electoral college, innocent until proven guilty, freedom of speech, and all those Constitutional specifics that as a natural born US citizen I cherish and abide by, but which you hate?
To repeat: As a 75 year old, Trump has to live another 11.2 years or else he will have died early. Check out "Table 15. Life expectancy at birth, at age 65, and at age 75, by sex, race, and Hispanic origin: United States, selected years 1900–2016"
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2017/015.pdf
The way Trump lives, I don't think he has 11.2 years more left in life. The next time, Walter Reed Medical Center won't be available to pull Trump back from the brink of death when he catches a disease that he would not catch if he hadn't acted like a complete fool. Trump’s Chief Of Staff Feared President Was Going To Die When He Had Covid was a recent headline.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/06/24/trumps-chief-of-s
taff-feared-president-was-going-to-die-when-he-had-covid-new-book-alleges/
1kiki, if you were really an American, you would know about the long life of other Americans. On the other hand, if you were a Russian Troll, a country where white males die young, then 75 year old Trump seems like he lived a very long time. At this moment, a Russian male will live to be 68.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.MA.IN?locations=RU
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Originally posted by second:Quote:For a few weeks in 1992, U.S. politics were all about “family values.” President George H.W. Bush was in electoral trouble because of a weak economy and rising inequality. So his vice president, Dan Quayle, tried to change the subject by a crazy attack on Murphy Brown, a character in a TV sitcom, an unmarried woman who chose to have a child.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The beautiful thing about the Democrats forcing everything to a head is that only one of us can be right.
We'll see who's crazy buddy.
I was reminded of that incident when I read about recent crazy remarks by J.D. Vance, the author of “Hillbilly Elegy,” who is now a Republican Senate candidate in Ohio. Vance noted that some prominent Democrats don’t have children, and he lashed out at the “childless left.” He also praised the policies of Viktor Orban, the leader of Hungary, whose government is subsidizing couples who have children, and asked, “Why can’t we do that here?”
As The Washington Post’s Dave Weigel, who was there, pointed out, it was odd that Vance didn’t mention Joe Biden’s newly instituted child tax credit, which will make an enormous difference to many poorer families with children.
It was also interesting that he praised Hungary rather than other European nations with strong pronatalist policies. France, in particular, offers large financial incentives to families with children and has one of the highest fertility rates in the advanced world. So why did crazy Vance single out for praise a repressive, autocratic government with a strong white nationalist bent?
That was a rhetorical question.
More about how crazy Republicans are at https://web.archive.org/web/20210727013349/https://www.nytimes.com/202
1/07/26/opinion/child-tax-credit-family-values.html
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Stay on topic.
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Quote:The topic is "A thread for Democrats Only", but 1kiki threw in random ideas:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Stay on topic.
Quote:1kiki's "innocent until proven guilty" is of interest to Trump in his tax evasion. The IRS wants Trump to pay back taxes, while jailing him is of far less importance to the IRS. The IRS will probably take Trump to Civil court, rather than criminal court. Why? The courts have held the due process clauses of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments also ensure that you will not be convicted of a crime unless the prosecutor proves that you are guilty “beyond a reasonable doubt.” This high burden of proof in criminal cases is closely related to the presumption of innocence, ensuring you receive a fair trial.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Speaking of nationality, are you a US citizen yet? Have you figured out the Constitution - yanno, electoral college, innocent until proven guilty, freedom of speech, and all those Constitutional specifics that as a natural born US citizen I cherish and abide by, but which you hate?
In civil cases, such as Trump not paying his taxes, the standard is much lower. In such cases, the standard of proof is “preponderance of the evidence.” This generally means the jury believes it is more likely than not that the defendant did what the other side says they did . . . TRUMP DID NOT PAY HIS TAXES.
In civil trials, Trump has to show he paid his taxes. The IRS only has to show Trump did not pay. There is none of the nonsense that happens in Criminal trials about whether Trump is crazy, or sane enough to stand trial, or what his intentions were when he signed his Form 1040. Getting Trump to pay or his corporations to pay back taxes is all mathematics, and pretty simple math, too!
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Originally posted by second:Quote:The topic is "A thread for Democrats Only"
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Stay on topic.
I don't care what the thread title is.
If you quote me, stay on topic.
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Quote:Are you upset? Yes, you are, despite you saying I can't upset you. Trump voters are snowflakes. It's easy to shatter their calm.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't care what the thread title is.
If you quote me, stay on topic.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61954&mid=11380
76#1138076
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https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00018031.htm
Here ya' go. But I think you're too stupid to read it. Certainly you're too stupid to find it, even though I gave you the search terms to use.
Meanwhile, have you decided to accept the Constitution as the US law of the land yet? I know you've been extremely adverse to many of its provisions ... electoral college, innocent until proven guilty, freedom of speech, and such like. Is that your foreign culture coming through? Or just your personality?
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Quote:1kiki, you are referring to "Trends in Years of Potential Life Lost Before Age 65 (YPLL-65) Among Whites and Blacks -- United States, 1979-1989"
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00018031.htm
Here ya' go. But I think you're too stupid to read it. Certainly you're too stupid to find it, even though I gave you the search terms to use.
Meanwhile, have you decided to accept the Constitution as the US law of the land yet? I know you've been extremely adverse to many of its provisions ... electoral college, innocent until proven guilty, freedom of speech, and such like. Is that your foreign culture coming through? Or just your personality?
Let me quote half of one line to give you a clue about what is wrong about this paper for the purpose you are trying to use it for, which is proving that Trump, at 75, has already outlived the average American lifetime:
Quote:
From 1979 to 1989, the rate of YPLL-65 (per 1000 population) decreased for white males (from 76.3 to 65.3 [14.4%]).
Translation into English: In 1979, 1,000 white males lost 76.3 years of life because of unintentional injuries, heart disease, malignant neoplasms, homicide, suicide and HIV infection.
Besides not being relevant, 1kiki, the paper is from November 27, 1992. You wasted your time, 1kiki, with this old paper that is not even about how long the average American lives. Instead, use Table 015: Life expectancy at birth, at age 65, and at age 75, by sex, race, and Hispanic origin: United States, selected years 1900–2016
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/hus/contents2017.htm#015
If Trump dies before 2033, twelve years from now, he is dying before his time. By the way, he came close to death from Covid-19, but the White House staff forced him into the helicopter, which flew to Walter Reed Medical Center. Next time, the decision will not be made by the White House staff. Maybe Trump will end up dead because he is stupid.
https://time.com/5895780/president-donald-trumps-hospitalized-covid/
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You only think the link is meaningless because you're lazy or inept or both.
The concept and calculations from that link are referenced everywhere - from governments trying to figure out what kills young people nationally, to health experts trying to figure out the global state of health of a country and/ or compare it to other countries, to insurance companies trying to calculate the loss of income due to an early death, to disease experts trying to figure out shortened lifespans due to specific diseases, and even by statisticians trying to figure out COVID-19's mortality.
Quote:Which still means NOT TRUMP.
https://www.healthypeople.gov/2020/about/foundation-health-measures/Ge
neral-Health-Status
Healthy People 2020 tracks healthy life expectancy using 3 measures ...
YPLL (years of potential life lost) is based on the number of deaths at each age up to some limit. For example, in the United States, the age limit is often placed at 75, so people who die before age 75 are defined as having lost some potential years of life.
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28919116/ Global, regional, and national age-sex specific mortality for 264 causes of death, 1980-2016: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2016
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https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/fatal_help/index.html Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System (WISQARS™) Fatal Injury Reports Help Menu
This is but a small sampling of what one can find if one knows how to 'google'.
So, how are you getting along with the US Constitution (the document, not the battleship) these days? Still railing against those foreign concepts ... electoral college, innocent until proven guilty, freedom of speech, and such like?
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Quote:1kiki, I knew plenty of dead Trumptards who behave as if being stupid does not kill. There were fat Trumptards, fat like Trump, who are dead because they were fat. Then there are dead Trumptard who are dead because they won't get vaccinated. Then there are dead Trumptards who are dead because they kept a gun around the house for personal protection. It is not just that dead Trumptards were stupid to vote for Trump, but Trumptards are stupid about everything, which then killed them. I know Trumptards do their very best to not understand the connection between living stupidly and dying before their time. 1kiki, you are doing are great job of not understanding. You are very lucky to have lived as long as you have.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
This is but a small sampling of what one can find if one knows how to 'google'.
So, how are you getting along with the US Constitution (the document, not the battleship) these days? Still railing against those foreign concepts ... electoral college, innocent until proven guilty, freedom of speech, and such like?
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So, you can't talk about the topic of "early death'? You can't talk about the US Constitution? All you can do is launch vitriolic personal attacks?
Is your mind so empty? Your humanity so bankrupt?
SLOPPY - why do you never start any threads of your own but instead spend 100% of your time crapping up everyone else's? Is it because you really have NOTHING you want to discuss and are only here to troll?
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Originally posted by second:Trump voters are snowflakes. It's easy to shatter their calm.
Snowflakes?
I think uv them az rabid apes. Thoze that I no in RL can be launched into a tantrum with a few simple wordz agenst Trump.
And its not like sum sort uv hynoticly implanted trigger fraze that haz to be exactly rite. You can assemble your sentens from virtually the entire common vocabulary to point out sumthing frum hiz ever expanding rap sheet. Usually you wont even finish the sentens befor the vitriol and spittle start flying.
Another few months and it will only take 'the' to ignite them.
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Quote:Banning Jim Jordan Saved the House Investigation. For the first time in years, there was no deranged counter-narrative being interjected every five minutes.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So, you can't talk about the topic of "early death'? You can't talk about the US Constitution?
The first hearing of the January 6 Select Committee contained harrowing accounts from four law enforcement officers about the physical, emotional, and racial abuse they suffered that day — and served as an indictment of Republicans who have spent recent months trying to downplay the insurrection and deflect criticism.
One of the main themes of Tuesday’s hearing was that the January 6 attack on the Capitol was a really big deal — one that imperils the future of American democracy. DC police officer Michael Fanone drove that point home during perhaps the most memorable moment of the proceedings, pounding on a table as he alluded to the disinterest of GOP leadership like House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, who is boycotting the committee: “The indifference shown to my colleagues is disgraceful,” he said.
“Nothing has prepared me to address those elected members of our government who continue to deny the events of that day and in doing so betray their oath of office,” Fanone added.
Fanone, who like the other officers was appearing in his personal capacity, later detailed how he was beaten unconscious by rioters and pleaded for his life by telling them, “I’ve got kids!”
Rep. Jim Banks (R-IN), went on Fox News as soon as Tuesday’s hearing ended and shrugged it off as “scripted by Nancy Pelosi.”
While Republicans like Banks have sought to shift the focus from how Trump and his supporters encouraged the insurrection to law enforcement failures that contributed to the Capitol being overrun, the officers who testified on Tuesday linked Trump’s rhetoric to the unrest. They urged the select committee to focus on the bigger picture.
“The rioters that attempted to reach the Capitol were shouting, ‘Trump sent us,’” said US Capitol Police Sgt. Aquilino Gonell: “I recall thinking to myself, ‘This is how I’m gonna die.’”
More at https://www.vox.com/2021/7/27/22596347/january-6-committee-hearing-gon
ell-fanone-hodges-dull
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My god...
Something intelligent finally oozes out of Pelosi's mouth...
"Suppose your [...] child just decided at this time they [do] not want to go to college, but you're paying taxes to forgive somebody else's obligations. You may not be happy about that," Pelosi said.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-cant-cancel-federal-
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I think the answer for that is simple: a low-interest government loan program to pay off the ridiculous private student loan debt. The government makes money, and the people in debt get out from under more easily. And everyone is happy, except the lender-leeches. But hey, if they haven't lost actual money, they should be happy, too.
(That's exactly the same way I think the government should have addressed the 2008 collapse. Fix the underlying mortgages instead of making the 10,000x leveraged pyramid of lenders whole.)
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Quote:You can’t know if a policy was worthwhile if you don’t know how much it costs. Ask three people their opinion of the U.S. government’s bailouts during the 2008 financial crisis, and you’ll likely get three different answers.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
(That's exactly the same way I think the government should have addressed the 2008 collapse. Fix the underlying mortgages instead of making the 10,000x leveraged pyramid of lenders whole.)
The total direct cost of crisis-related bailouts on a fair value basis was about $498 billion, which amounted to 3.5 percent of gross domestic product in 2009.
https://mitsloan.mit.edu/ideas-made-to-matter/heres-how-much-2008-bail
outs-really-cost
Cost (Billions) Institution
$311 Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac
$90 Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP)
$60 Federal Housing Authority (FHA)
$21 Federal Reserve
$10 Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC)
$6 Small Business Lending Fund (SBLF)
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$498 Billions Total
Source: Deborah J. Lucas. MIT Sloan School of Management
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One thing to know for a fact - unleveraged money is always cheaper than leveraged money.
And in the meantime, all while shoring up financialism, roughly 10 MILLION homeowners lost their homes. https://www.marketplace.org/2018/12/17/what-we-learned-housing/
All that could have been avoided at reduced cost if the government had directly provided alternative mortgages.
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Quote:The deal is that there are about 80 million single family houses in America and about 70 million of those homeowners objected to helping, either with their own money or with government money, the 10 million homeowners who lost their homes, which is why the American government did not, cannot, and will not in future help. That 70 million would be confused and angry that they are not getting at least as much help as the 10 million who really need it, which is why no homeowners got help.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
One thing to know for a fact - unleveraged money is always cheaper than leveraged money.
And in the meantime, all while shoring up financialism, roughly 10 MILLION homeowners lost their homes. https://www.marketplace.org/2018/12/17/what-we-learned-housing/
All that could have been avoided at reduced cost if the government had directly provided alternative mortgages.
On the other hand, the politicians were being told loud and clear that Armageddon had arrived TODAY by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), Federal Housing Authority (FHA), Federal Reserve, Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC), Small Business Lending Fund (SBLF).
That's why totally focused Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac got help while confused, unfocused, disorganized homeowners got nothing.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I think the answer for that is simple: a low-interest government loan program to pay off the ridiculous private student loan debt. The government makes money, and the people in debt get out from under more easily. And everyone is happy, except the lender-leeches. But hey, if they haven't lost actual money, they should be happy, too.
(That's exactly the same way I think the government should have addressed the 2008 collapse. Fix the underlying mortgages instead of making the 10,000x leveraged pyramid of lenders whole.)
The answer is to change their loans to 0% interest, and for the government to take the missing money from that interest from the colleges themselves.
The caveat being, that they only get the 0% interest if they make their full monthly payment on time every month, otherwise it goes back to whatever rate it was before the forgiveness and they will have to make 1 full year of on-time, in-full payments to get back to the 0% interest.
THEN the government should be doing a deep dive into why it costs so fucking much to get what amounts to a worthless piece of paper for 80% of the recipients, and fire everybody responsible in both the education system and the government itself who is even indirectly responsible for it.
In NO way should these loans be forgiven. They should be examples to the future generations of how these people were suckered into throwing so much money away and enslaving themselves to debt for the rest of their lives.
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Originally posted by JO753:
I think uv them az rabid apes. Thoze that I no in RL can be launched into a tantrum with a few simple wordz agenst Trump.
That's funny JO. The few strangers who were inconsiderate enough to talk politics and shit talk Trump with me after being aware of my existence as long as it takes to stand at a checkout line received a smile and then got to admire my chiseled-from-marble back until I walked out of the store.
It's not worth holding a conversation with you. It's certainly not worth getting angry about in public where everybody has a camera ready to put you on YouTube.
That's what crazy Karens and Democrat extremists do.
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I wasn't just talking about making low interest home loans available to people in default. I meant to everybody.
No matter how you look at it, everybody wins. The 'financialism' section of the economy has the basis for its leveraged 'assets' stabilized. The homeowners scrape off the leeches. And the government makes money.
And nothing gets 'given' away to anybody.
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Quote:1kiki wants 0% mortgages. 6ix wants 0% student loans. I want 0% payday loans. Why can't we have it all? I know the reason for payday loans not being 0%: Payday loans can have interest rates over 600%—here’s the typical rate in every U.S. state.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I wasn't just talking about making low interest home loans available to people in default. I meant to everybody.
No matter how you look at it, everybody wins. The 'financialism' section of the economy has the basis for its leveraged 'assets' stabilized. The homeowners scrape off the leeches. And the government makes money.
And nothing gets 'given' away to anybody.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/16/map-shows-typical-payday-loan-rate-in-
each-state.html
Use your imagination for why there aren't 61 U.S. Senators voting for 0% loans of all kinds. And while you are at it, try to imagine why even state legislatures aren't offering 0% loans. The Legislatures say that this is perfectly legal: Multi-Payment Installment Loan Fee Schedule https://powerfinancetexas.com/resources/installment-feeschedule.pdf
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
1kiki wants 0% mortgages. 6ix wants 0% student loans. I want 0% payday loans. Why can't we have it all?
You're out of your goddamned mind if you think I want 0% student loans.
That's the comporomise I'm willing to give instead of letting Democrats forgive over a trillion dollars of student loan debt, but only if the ones paying back the loans make on time payments in full every month and only if the Government puts a stop to the predatory system in place.
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Use your imagination for why there aren't 61 U.S. Senators voting for 0% loans of all kinds. And while you are at it, try to imagine why even state legislatures aren't offering 0% loans. The Legislatures say that this is perfectly legal: Multi-Payment Installment Loan Fee Schedule
Nobody but you wants 0% anything, Commie.
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Quote:You know who else threw around accusations of Communism? People who voted for Nixon. I've got particular people mind, their names, their history, what eventually happened to those people. Most of them are dead, but the few who were in high school in 1972 that aren't yet dead from smoking, voted for Trump. Every last one has done worse than average, because of their bad judgment and laziness, but they think their weaknesses are because of the Democrats. Those Trump voters were delusional about Nixon, delusional about Trump, and are delusional about themselves. So who was Nixon that these Trumptards would have voted for if only they had bothered to vote?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody but you wants 0% anything, Commie.
King Richard: Nixon and Watergate – an American Tragedy
By Michael Dobbs
Does the world need another history of the Watergate scandal? If it’s this good, yes. Michael Dobbs’s tense facto-thriller covers the first hundred days of Richard Nixon’s second administration, from the triumph of re-election to the moment when things ‘fell apart’ in mid-1973. Dobbs stalks the president around the White House, watching and listening – much like the taping system Nixon installed to protect his reputation but that, in the end, destroyed it. We hear him make bigoted comments and plot to conceal the truth, as well as lie to the faces of men he professes to love – and to himself as well.
Tricky Dick probably didn’t order the burglary at the Democratic headquarters at the Watergate Hotel on 17 June 1972: responsibility lay with the Committee for the Re-election of the President, which was separate from the White House. The committee could easily have been thrown under the bus in the early days of the scandal. Instead, Nixon pursued a cover-up, all the while warning his staff that the worst thing to do when you’ve done something wrong is cover it up.
The inconsistency isn’t as strange as it first sounds. Nixon’s modus operandi was to encourage others to do bad things on his behalf and maintain enough distance from the wrongdoing to deny all personal responsibility. But by the time his counsel John Dean sat down with him on 21 March 1973 and informed him that there was a ‘cancer on the presidency’, Nixon must have known that the metaphor had become horribly apt, given how much crookedness, involving so many people, had built up over so long. He also knew that all it would take was one exposure to sink the entire administration. Nixon joked to his staff that they needn’t worry: America wouldn’t impeach him because that would put Spiro Agnew, his ghastly vice president, in charge. What he didn’t know was that Agnew was being quietly investigated for corruption and would soon have to quit.
The tapes made a certain sense: other presidents taped themselves too and Nixon, bedevilled by leaks and negative press, wanted an honest record of what was said and done. The problem was, however, that what the president said wasn’t always true. Why, when their existence came to light on 13 July, didn’t Nixon do the obvious thing and destroy the tapes? ‘Boss, you gotta have a bonfire,’ said Agnew. Almost everyone Nixon spoke to agreed, except Haldeman, who argued that they could prove the president was innocent. This was what Nixon wanted to hear, so that’s what Nixon chose to believe. The tapes, he declared on 17 July, were his ‘insurance … Those tapes are going to defend me.’ Later in the day, the special prosecutor requested access to eight recordings, including the ‘cancer on the presidency’ conversation. That night, Nixon wrote in his diary: ‘Should have destroyed the tapes.’
Dobbs’s book combines clarity, amusement and tragedy, opening up the Watergate story, perhaps, to a younger generation of readers who might imagine that Trump is as bad as it gets. ‘Nixon’s thirst for political intelligence’, he concludes, ‘had spawned a “whatever it takes” culture that led to massive lawbreaking by his administration’, with advisers careening off beyond the law in ways that
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I'm not worried about Nixon.
I'm worried about Biden*.
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Quote:I tried this Watergate Tapes conversation on people who voted for Trump. None of them sensed wrongness about killing civilians:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not worried about Nixon.
I'm worried about Biden*.
The two men turned to the practical question of building support for Nixon’s Vietnam policy in the weeks that followed. Colson confidently expected the furor over the Christmas bombing to be forgotten as soon as the peace agreement was signed. He rattled off a stream of opinion polls to bolster his argument that the antiwar crowd was out on a “big limb” that was about to get “sawed off.”
“The important thing to remember, Mr. President, is that the country does not buy a lot of the crap that they’re fed. Obviously the American people have an uncomfortable sense about the bombings and wish they had not taken place. But sixty-seven [percent] do not believe that we deliberately bombed hospitals or civilian targets.”
“Good God,” Nixon exploded. “When you think of what Eisenhower did in World War II. I mean, he decimated cities.”
“So did Truman.”
“Why did Truman drop the atomic bomb? Not because he wanted to demolish cities. Because he wanted to end the war. Why did Eisenhower bomb the shit out of the cities of North Korea?”
“That’s right.”
“And that’s what ended the war, you know.”
Colson could not wait to “slash the bejusus” out of the Nixon critics and the “jackasses” in Congress who had proposed holding up funding for the war.
“It’s treasonable,” Nixon exclaimed.
“Totally treasonable,” Colson agreed. “We’ll cut the bastards right to the bone.”
In the meantime, he had a nugget of good news to relay. His campaign against The Washington Post for its aggressive coverage of Watergate was showing gratifying results. He had orchestrated challenges to the renewal of the parent company’s lucrative television licenses in Florida. Its stock price had plummeted by more than 25 percent in the last two weeks alone. Nervous investors were demanding the firing of the editor, Ben Bradlee. Colson had made clear that the price for calling off his attack dogs was “a complete change of management.” To show good faith, the Post would be required to publish “a few obviously friendly editorials on how well the President is handling the Vietnam War” and put “the Watergate case back inside the paper where it belongs instead of blasting it across the front pages.”
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Since you didn't get the point, I'll take the liberty of elaboration...
I'm not worried about what Nixon did before I was born.
I'm worried about what Biden* is doing now.
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Quote:To make a point that you can't accept, I've never known anyone who voted twice for Trump, and continues to support him, who is not crazy and stupid. They are forever bragging about how smart they are and about their commonsense, but they don't have either, at least going by watching what they do in the real world. Perhaps there are some who are either sane or smart, but there can't be many of them.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Since you didn't get the point, I'll take the liberty of elaboration...
I'm not worried about what Nixon did before I was born.
I'm worried about what Biden* is doing now.
I find there is an overlap between two-time-Trump supporters and people who support what Nixon supported, such as killing civilians as a essential strategy in, for example, WWII and Vietnam. The commonly held belief that nuking Japan won the war is a dead giveaway that they believe in the strategy of killing civilians.
There is also an overlap with believing Biden is somebody to be worried about. They worry about the silliest things while being completely oblivious to important things.
Obliviousness is the key to what is wrong with two-time-Trump supporters. It's the key to why they struggle so hard with staying in the middle class and voted for Trump, the guy who tells them their struggles are not their fault, but Biden's fault or the Democrats' fault or the Elite's fault. Again, I don't know enough to be sure, but every two-time-Trump supporter I do know is solely at fault.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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