Some Covid-19 thoughts

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, September 12, 2021 5:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Best case senario: the C21 virus turnz out to be 100% fatal for the unvaksinated so the GoPs looz haf their voterz.

Funny. You've never once heard me say that the best case scenario would be that the vaccine ends up killing people so the Democrats could lose half of their voters.

It's also pretty racist of you to say too, JO, since blacks and Latinos aren't a fan of the jab.

Why do you Democrats always want people to die and cheer when they do?

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SIGNYM

Sunday, September 12, 2021 7:24 AM

Oh, but I think that I read a few posts of yours hoping boomers would die off.
Maybe I misremember.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Sunday, September 12, 2021 7:27 AM

How can anyone think that Biden* is serious about controlling Covid when he does this?

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Members Of Congress, Staff Exempt From Biden Vaccine Mandate

And, if course, the wide-fucking-open southern border (2 million untested, unvaccinated, and untrackable illegal immigrants?) and the refugee flood from Afghanistan at our shores?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, September 12, 2021 8:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, but I think that I read a few posts of yours hoping boomers would die off.
Maybe I misremember.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You should probably know that for a fact before you say something like that.

Feel free to find it for me. I don't delete posts.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, September 12, 2021 8:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
How can anyone think that Biden* is serious about controlling Covid when he does this?

Quote:
Members Of Congress, Staff Exempt From Biden Vaccine Mandate

And, if course, the wide-fucking-open southern border (2 million untested, unvaccinated, and untrackable illegal immigrants?) and the refugee flood from Afghanistan at our shores?

Memeology covered that a while ago. But you don't watch Memology.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SIGNYM

Sunday, September 12, 2021 10:41 AM

...instead of wiping out less people in a year than die from automobile accidents

SIGNY:Wrong

SIX: Yes. You are wrong in your assertion that I'm wrong.

Do you even have a ballpark figure in your head as to how many people die of automobile accidents every year? I do. You, apparently, don't. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.

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SIX: ... most of whom were close to checking out anyhow.

SIGNY: Wrong.

SIX: Yes. You are also wrong again in this assertion that I'm wrong.

Do you have any idea how many additional years those people would have lived if not for Covid-19? I do. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.

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SIGNY: But, good question: why not kill off a bunch of people? Maybe because if you kill off enough people, SOME wealth will concentrate among the sheeple, and the goal is to make the sheeple poor, not to make people dead?

SIX: The sheeple are already poor. You're a boomer at the end of your life who still has some of the pie. You just haven't noticed it in your own life that everyone after you is fucked.

People MY age are fucked. That handyman, that homeless sometime gardener, people in my own close family? They got fucked, too. It's not just people "after me" ... like everyone my age has it made ... EVERYONE is getting fucked. That's why there's 70-year-old Walmart greeters. Jeezus, SIX, stop feeling so specially picked on!

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SIGNY: The only winner so far is The Fed because it has 'lent' many big banks ... including international ones ... an unimaginable amount of money and now has them in thrall. The EU central bank (ECB) so far has not been able to crank up digital money-creation because the nation backstopping such loans ... Germany... won't go along with it.

SIX: No more in their thrall than they already were. Our currency has been monopoly money for longer than I've been alive. This didn't just happen in the last 2 months.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, September 12, 2021 10:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
...instead of wiping out less people in a year than die from automobile accidents

SIGNY:Wrong

SIX: Yes. You are wrong in your assertion that I'm wrong.

Do you even have a ballpark figure in your head as to how many people die of automobile accidents every year? I do. You, apparently, don't. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.

Quote:
SIX: ... most of whom were close to checking out anyhow.

SIGNY: Wrong.

SIX: Yes. You are also wrong again in this assertion that I'm wrong.

Do you have any idea how many additional years those people would have lived if not for Covid-19? I do. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.

Quote:
SIGNY: But, good question: why not kill off a bunch of people? Maybe because if you kill off enough people, SOME wealth will concentrate among the sheeple, and the goal is to make the sheeple poor, not to make people dead?

SIX: The sheeple are already poor. You're a boomer at the end of your life who still has some of the pie. You just haven't noticed it in your own life that everyone after you is fucked.

People MY age are fucked. That handyman, that homeless sometime gardener, people in my own close family? They got fucked, too. It's not just people "after me" ... like everyone my age has it made ... EVERYONE is getting fucked. That's why there's 70-year-old Walmart greeters. Jeezus, SIX, stop feeling so specially picked on!

Quote:
SIGNY: The only winner so far is The Fed because it has 'lent' many big banks ... including international ones ... an unimaginable amount of money and now has them in thrall. The EU central bank (ECB) so far has not been able to crank up digital money-creation because the nation backstopping such loans ... Germany... won't go along with it.

SIX: No more in their thrall than they already were. Our currency has been monopoly money for longer than I've been alive. This didn't just happen in the last 2 months.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

OK

It still doesn't say what you said I said.

Keep looking.

Because if that's all you've got, yes... You misremember.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

1KIKI

Sunday, September 12, 2021 10:55 AM

Anyway ...

Australia and NZ have quite frequently taken advantage of their respective island conditions to lock out awful diseases and pests. Basically, they have ocean-sized moats around their countries. And pulling up the drawbridge is a historic and time-tested tactic they have employed and do employ. They've built disease exclusion into their laws, for example long quarantines and absolute importing exclusions. And that results in neither country having existing rabies in any terrestrial animal, or scrapie (the 'mad cow' disease of sheep) for example, along with a host of other diseases and pests.

Given that there's no SARS-CoV-2 animal-to-human transmission - for example, no birds landing in either country will bring SARS-CoV-2 - it makes sense that they'd pull up the drawbridge for SARS-CoV-2.

But not every country has that geographic advantage.

I've been looking at countries besides Australia and New Zealand that have most successfully dealt with COVID-19 at some point.

Early on many countries were swift and successful adopters of test-and-quarantine, contact-tracing, border controls, social distancing, and limited lockdowns as needed (dictated by data), along with mandatory masking. SK is a notable early example, but there were many others like Japan, Cambodia, Taiwan, Vietnam, Hong Kong, and Singapore. They didn't suffer the initial onslaught of COVID-19 like many other countries. So that was Round 1, with original COVID-19.

However, once case levels in an area reach a higher level, testing-and-quarantining, contact-tracing, etc becomes impossible. And many countries were hit with a wave of COVID-19 in April and May of 2020, with Italy(Spain) as the poster-child(ren) of rapid unrestricted spread of SARS-CoV-2, and a subsequent overwhelming tsunami of COVID-19 cases and deaths. Let's just call it western and northern Europe, and the US (specifically New York and New Jersey that spiked early in tandem, followed a week later by Connecticut, then surrounding states within a week after that). Many countries instituted lockdowns and border controls, and the wave of cases was tamped down.

Belgium has an interesting demographic. Apparently only half the people in Belgium during the day are residents. Surrounding countries are like giant suburbs. People come into Belgium during the day for work or business, and then leave in the evening. Essentially Belgium has no border controls at all, and its high rate of cases and deaths are a unique result.

Exceptional cases are Iceland, which took advantage of its island status and population cohesiveness, and instituted a wide variety of control measures, which were followed by the vast majority, including border controls, travel restrictions, testing on entering, shop and restaurant closures, only selected and limited open schools, social distancing, quarantines, and directed (for symptoms) and population-wide random testing. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211883720300873 As a result, after an initial warning spike of cases, Iceland kept cases under almost complete control during the initial 'European surge', and deaths nearly all weeks were zero.

Sweden took the opposite approach from Iceland and suffered a massive spike in deaths per capita above other European countries at the time, after the initial Italy(Spain) warning shot. It fared especially poorly compared to its demographically and geographically similar neighbors Norway, Finland, and Iceland.

But most countries imposed some kind of 'lockdown' April through May 2020, and cases and deaths fell shortly afterwards, and stayed low until ... people got tired of it.

Israel is often brought up as an example of 'vaccines don't work'. It's COVID-19 history includes a ban on people entering from high risk countries, followed 3 months later by severe restrictions in March 2020 (and to April 1) including limiting social gatherings, requiring masks indoors, social distancing, mandatory home isolation except f

SIGNYM

Sunday, September 12, 2021 12:18 PM

The problem was: What do you do before vaccines become available?

This issue must be solved because there will be a "next time", whether its Covid-22 or Ebola or something else.

I think that lockdowns ARE a reasonable approach, but only until you understand how the disease is spread, who the vulnerable population is (everyone? The very young? The very old?) and how you can best stop the spread.

Once it was clear that SARS-Cov2 was airborne and that the elderly were at special risk ... and I think this picture was developing early on ... the government should have moved heaven and earth to make N95s available to everyone who was at risk, and to isolate those elderly as much as possible.

What do we do next time, if the epidemic is waterborne? Or bloodborne? Or airborne, but with a HUGE fatality rate?

I hope the government is a lot faster on its feet than it was this time, and also not engaged in political persecution (QUIDPROQUO! RUSSIARUSSIA!) which was a huge distraction from the fight against pandemic.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

1KIKI

Sunday, September 12, 2021 12:35 PM

The countries that fared best were countries that had experienced SARS. They employed country-wide, comprehensive, early interventions. That kept SARS-CoV-2 from gaining a significant toehold.

Those were: border control, early and mass testing rollout, quarantine of people testing positive, contact tracing, social distancing, universal masking, targeted shutdowns (sometimes of restaurants and bars, sometimes of entire countries for limited times), and other measures as dictated by the data.

But obviously not all future pandemics/ epidemics will respond to those particular measures. One needs to be prepared to do more - even much more - if the threat is more serious. For example, a new threat could have the infectivity of measles, but the IFR of SARS.

That's why it's important to learn lessons from COVID-19 (which is still circulating globally and can still throw out an even worse variant). Half-baked, poorly implemented measures result in unnecessary suffering and death. If something needs to be done, it needs to be done well enough to get the result.

IMO it's not rocket surgery.

JO753

Sunday, September 12, 2021 3:32 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

ALSO, you're mixing up CASE fatality rate versus INFECTION fatality rate.

OK, good point.

Still, the absolute numbrz do qualify C19 az a 'super villian'. Compare it to Bin Laden and the relativ respons iz absolutely comical.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

The real pandemic solution: http://uvpk.net/

JO753

Sunday, September 12, 2021 3:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Funny. You've never once heard me say that the best case scenario would be that the vaccine ends up killing people so the Democrats could lose half of their voters.

Therez an obvious element uv justis, or Karma wen the bad guyz get dun in by their own malicious actionz. Less so wen its idiots refuzing good advise.

Keep in mind that they arent only hurting themselvz.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

The real pandemic solution: http://uvpk.net/

SIGNYM

Sunday, September 12, 2021 4:06 PM

Quote:
SIGNYM:ALSO, you're mixing up CASE fatality rate versus INFECTION fatality rate.

JO: OK, good point.
Still, the absolute numbrz do qualify C19 az a 'super villian'. Compare it to Bin Laden and the relativ respons iz absolutely comical.

I agree. HOWEVER, I'm not concerned with worldwide numbers because, yanno what? We don't have any authority or any control over what any other nation does about Covid, or anything else for that matter. (Altho IMO we should give away unused vaccine doses before they spoil to nations that are hit the hardest. And wouldn't it be a PR coup if we were to give a bunch to Syria and Iran and Cuba??)

I'm concerned about AMERICAN deaths.

So let me explain my POV about vaccine mandates by copying from the "Herd immunity" thread

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Oh, BTW, I want to make clear why I'm against vaccine mandates IN THIS CASE.

It's not because I think your (or my) rights are so precious but because IT'S NOT NECESSARY.

The CURRENT vaccine does a good enough job of protecting the vaccinated, and not such a bang-up job of protecting the unvaccinated. So people who refuse the vaccine, even tho it would be medically beneficial for them to get it, are hurting mainly themselves. And, yanno, I'm not in such a hurry to protect people from themselves. It only becomes an issue if it affects my pocketbook, where large sums of tax dollars are extracted from my pocket to pay for people being stupid.

Of course, I would run ad campaigns urging people over-50 and the obese to get vaccinated, especially in those areas that have low vaccination rates. But I wouldn't MANDATE a vaccine for the average person. If people want to ignore the risk, or take the risk, or misunderstand the risk, of serious illness and death ... well, once its been explained a couple-dozen times, and in reality they're mostly hurting themselves, all you will do is create tremendous ill will.

But to go back to your point:

The comparison of bin Laden (who BTW denied involvement with 9-11) and the whole GWOT that followed, versus the pitiable money and effort spent on bringing this pandemic under control in the USA, is just another example of the CONTINUED gaslighting of America. Look at all of the money and hot air used to stampede Americans on a variety of pointless, unsubstantiated "issues". I can list a dozen biggies over the last 30 years that, with hindsight, deserve to have been shitcanned before they were ever broadcast to the American people and made a Big Deal.

People have been programmed into Magical Thinking. That "somethings" "somehow" "happen".

I think if Americans want to keep their feet on the ground and not get too wound up about trivia, they should 1) understand relative risk, in numbers 2) follow the money and 3) learn about the mechanics of the things that they fear.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, September 12, 2021 6:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Funny. You've never once heard me say that the best case scenario would be that the vaccine ends up killing people so the Democrats could lose half of their voters.

Therez an obvious element uv justis, or Karma wen the bad guyz get dun in by their own malicious actionz. Less so wen its idiots refuzing good advise.

Keep in mind that they arent only hurting themselvz.

What the fuck are you talking about, muppet.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, September 12, 2021 6:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
...instead of wiping out less people in a year than die from automobile accidents

SIGNY:Wrong

SIX: Yes. You are wrong in your assertion that I'm wrong.

Do you even have a ballpark figure in your head as to how many people die of automobile accidents every year? I do. You, apparently, don't. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.

Quote:
SIX: ... most of whom were close to checking out anyhow.

SIGNY: Wrong.

SIX: Yes. You are also wrong again in this assertion that I'm wrong.

Do you have any idea how many additional years those people would have lived if not for Covid-19? I do. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.

Quote:
SIGNY: But, good question: why not kill off a bunch of people? Maybe because if you kill off enough people, SOME wealth will concentrate among the sheeple, and the goal is to make the sheeple poor, not to make people dead?

SIX: The sheeple are already poor. You're a boomer at the end of your life who still has some of the pie. You just haven't noticed it in your own life that everyone after you is fucked.

People MY age are fucked. That handyman, that homeless sometime gardener, people in my own close family? They got fucked, too. It's not just people "after me" ... like everyone my age has it made ... EVERYONE is getting fucked. That's why there's 70-year-old Walmart greeters. Jeezus, SIX, stop feeling so specially picked on!

Quote:
SIGNY: The only winner so far is The Fed because it has 'lent' many big banks ... including international ones ... an unimaginable amount of money and now has them in thrall. The EU central bank (ECB) so far has not been able to crank up digital money-creation because the nation backstopping such loans ... Germany... won't go along with it.

SIX: No more in their thrall than they already were. Our currency has been monopoly money for longer than I've been alive. This didn't just happen in the last 2 months.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

OK

It still doesn't say what you said I said.

Keep looking.

Because if that's all you've got, yes... You misremember.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

So. Apology then?

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

1KIKI

Sunday, September 12, 2021 7:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
The CURRENT vaccine does a good enough job of protecting the vaccinated, and not such a bang-up job of protecting the unvaccinated.

The original vaccines smallpox and polio did a good job keeping people from getting sick and therefore passing on the disease. But tetanus vaccines only stop disease, and do nothing to stop transmission, since transmission is from bacterial spores that are already in the soil. So not all vaccines are designed to stop transmission, but they're useful nonetheless. And we require them, since they reduce disease and death.

The countries that most successfully dealt with COVID-19 were the countries that kept it from getting a significant presence in their populations in the first place. And in the initial phase they did it with universal 'non-pharmacological interventions' - border control, testing-and-quarantining, contact tracing etc. Few got sick, even fewer died, and those countries reopened earliest with their economies and populations intact. They protected the vulnerable by protecting everyone, with universal, nation-wide, population-wide measures. So I'd argue that well-employed, well-followed population-wide measures worked well, at least with COVID-19.

Anyway, I agree that when resources are scarce, it may benefit directing those resources to protect the most vulnerable. With COVID-19 they're those with risk factors like older age, obesity at any age, or smoking at any age. In other instances that population might be the young, like it was in 1917-1918; or there may be other risk factors and vulnerable populations altogether.

Yanno (DT, if you're watching, that phrase came from Frem and got used a lot here by a lot of people) Jack seriously outed himself on the 'I'm a hypocrite scale' with his 'herd immunity' thread. After refusing to accept anything out of the CDC - for example, that anyone died of COVID-19 at all, let alone the numbers of deaths - he suddenly believed the CDC when they say herd immunity might have been reached. What a convenient change of religion.

SIGNYM

Sunday, September 12, 2021 10:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
...instead of wiping out less people in a year than die from automobile accidents

SIGNY:Wrong

SIX: Yes. You are wrong in your assertion that I'm wrong.

Do you even have a ballpark figure in your head as to how many people die of automobile accidents every year? I do. You, apparently, don't. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.

Quote:
SIX: ... most of whom were close to checking out anyhow.

SIGNY: Wrong.

SIX: Yes. You are also wrong again in this assertion that I'm wrong.

Do you have any idea how many additional years those people would have lived if not for Covid-19? I do. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.

Quote:
SIGNY: But, good question: why not kill off a bunch of people? Maybe because if you kill off enough people, SOME wealth will concentrate among the sheeple, and the goal is to make the sheeple poor, not to make people dead?

SIX: The sheeple are already poor. You're a boomer at the end of your life who still has some of the pie. You just haven't noticed it in your own life that everyone after you is fucked.

People MY age are fucked. That handyman, that homeless sometime gardener, people in my own close family? They got fucked, too. It's not just people "after me" ... like everyone my age has it made ... EVERYONE is getting fucked. That's why there's 70-year-old Walmart greeters. Jeezus, SIX, stop feeling so specially picked on!

Quote:
SIGNY: The only winner so far is The Fed because it has 'lent' many big banks ... including international ones ... an unimaginable amount of money and now has them in thrall. The EU central bank (ECB) so far has not been able to crank up digital money-creation because the nation backstopping such loans ... Germany... won't go along with it.

SIX: No more in their thrall than they already were. Our currency has been monopoly money for longer than I've been alive. This didn't just happen in the last 2 months.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

OK

It still doesn't say what you said I said.

Keep looking.

Because if that's all you've got, yes... You misremember.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

So. Apology then?

For what? I haven't gone back into the other threads to trawl for your posts.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Sunday, September 12, 2021 10:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:The CURRENT vaccine does a good enough job of protecting the vaccinated, and not such a bang-up job of protecting the unvaccinated.

KIKI: The original vaccines smallpox and polio did a good job keeping people from getting sick and therefore passing on the disease. But tetanus vaccines only stop disease, and do nothing to stop transmission, since transmission is from bacterial spores that are already in the soil. So not all vaccines are designed to stop transmission, but they're useful nonetheless. And we require them, since they reduce disease and death.

The countries that most successfully dealt with COVID-19 were the countries that kept it from getting a significant presence in their populations in the first place. And in the initial phase they did it with universal 'non-pharmacological interventions' - border control, testing-and-quarantining, contact tracing etc. Few got sick, even fewer died, and those countries reopened earliest with their economies and populations intact. They protected the vulnerable by protecting everyone, with universal, nation-wide, population-wide measures. So I'd argue that well-employed, well-followed population-wide measures worked well, at least with COVID-19.

Anyway, I agree that when resources are scarce, it may benefit directing those resources to protect the most vulnerable. With COVID-19 they're those with risk factors like older age, obesity at any age, or smoking at any age. In other instances that population might be the young, like it was in 1917-1918; or there may be other risk factors and vulnerable populations altogether.

The countries that did the best had populations who trusted their government and who thought of the common good.

Anyway,what you post is true, and a signigifcant fraction of the population (the "libertarian" end of the spectrum) have been remarkably stupid - and callous- about how to deal with this pandemic, especially in the pre-vaccine days when they raised such an almighty fuss about wearing masks, as if it was their god-given right to infect other people.

If I wasn't retired and if I hadn't happened to have had some N95s from an earlier project, I would have been hostage to their callousness and stupidity. Forunately - for me- I was able to protect myself and family from their assholeness.

Now that vaccines are widely available, the vast majority of the population is able to protect itself, if it so chooses, from assholes, and the situation has changed.

And you are right that some vaccines only protect the vaccinated, and we insist on them anyway, and somehow these neolithics haven't figured that out and drawn a parallel to the current vaccine.

But the alt blogosphere has raised such an almighty howl of fear about "the jab" that maybe the best thing to do, in this case, is to let the people learn from experience, even if it means that grandpa and gramma and fatty daddy keel over and die.

Unfortunately, this has been waaaaay too politicized. Many people don't trust the government, the media, corporations, and bureaucratic scientists with good reason. After all, Fauci stood up in front of Congress and said "we don't do gain of function research", and he lied, along with all of the other liars.

So the ONE TIME they got it partly right ... well, they've already blown their credibilty to hell years, if not decades, ago. If the collective "they" can conspire a smear campaign against the President for years based on falsehoods; and deny OBVIOUS riots as "mostly peaceful" and promote 1984-style authoritarianism under the guise of being "anti-racist" and (even more hilariously) "anti-fascist" ... well, who's to say what OTHER campaigns they're running?

If people were AT ALL thoughtful they would never have been taken in by any of the other disinformation campaigns, and would have been able to

SIGNYM

Monday, September 13, 2021 12:54 PM

So I've been thinking about our problematic response to Covid-19. And the reality is, there were no TECHNICAL reasons why we couldn't have handled it better.

All of our problems are social, and political.

What it would have taken for a coordinated and effective response to the pandemic is a government interested in solving it, and a population that trusted the government, media, and scientists to have our collective interests at heart.

But I think most of us know, in our hearts, that pretty much everyone in any high position of authority/influence is really just wanting to bleed us all dry and then skin us.

Look at "our" response to 911: Instead of hunting down the perpetrators and bringing them to justice thru our criminal courts, we were put in the (brain)wash and spin cycle until most of us didn't know which way was up, and then we were were stampeded in the direction of invading two uninvolved nations; launching a boundary-less, endless, pointless "global war on terror" (GWOT); and stripping us of our civil liberties via the "Patriot" Act.

EVERY SINGLE emergency, big or small (like the global financial crisis of 2008) ... and plenty of made-up ones ... were used as the launch pad for even more depredations against us average Americans.

And I think, honestly, most people feel it. They know they're being repeatedly victimized.

So NO WONDER governments are facing huge resistance, even if the resistance is self-destructive.

I think our government, media, corporations, security-state etc are too corrupt and too far gone to restore faith. It would take a multi-decades-long project of honest government and honest reporting and honest accounting, and TPTB ... well, they're just not interested in that project! All they want to do is stay in power, line their pockets, and mind-fuck the American people.

*****

But here's the thing: If people have reached SUCH a state of aggravation that they're willing to sacrifice their health and maybe even their lives in some sort of quixotic middle finger to TPTB ...

I guess what I don't understand is this: If people TRULY believe that they live in a hostile state, with a hostile government, then why don't they start taking their own intuition seriously and start ACTING ON IT?

You don't survive in a hostile situation by throwing temper tantrums and hissy fits, expecting the "gubmint" ... yanno, the entity that is taking away your individual and collective agency in one giant scoop after another ... to suddenly become the repentant parent, see the error of their ways, and reform. It's not going to happen

You also don't survive by denying reality. I mean, if you're walking thru a minefield you better be pretty careful where you put you feet!

So whether this crisis solves itself ... or not ... or another crisis rears its ugly head ... don't expect our government and social response to be any less dysfunctional. Yes, there are a lot of things that our government/media/security state etc "could" do, and even more urgent things that they "should" do, but none of them are going to get done because none of the politicians standing for election have the honesty and integrity to tell the American people the truth, and even if they did and came close to power, they wouldn't survive.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, September 13, 2021 5:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
...instead of wiping out less people in a year than die from automobile accidents

SIGNY:Wrong

SIX: Yes. You are wrong in your assertion that I'm wrong.

Do you even have a ballpark figure in your head as to how many people die of automobile accidents every year? I do. You, apparently, don't. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.

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SIX: ... most of whom were close to checking out anyhow.

SIGNY: Wrong.

SIX: Yes. You are also wrong again in this assertion that I'm wrong.

Do you have any idea how many additional years those people would have lived if not for Covid-19? I do. You might want to look that up instead of speaking from your ass.

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SIGNY: But, good question: why not kill off a bunch of people? Maybe because if you kill off enough people, SOME wealth will concentrate among the sheeple, and the goal is to make the sheeple poor, not to make people dead?

SIX: The sheeple are already poor. You're a boomer at the end of your life who still has some of the pie. You just haven't noticed it in your own life that everyone after you is fucked.

People MY age are fucked. That handyman, that homeless sometime gardener, people in my own close family? They got fucked, too. It's not just people "after me" ... like everyone my age has it made ... EVERYONE is getting fucked. That's why there's 70-year-old Walmart greeters. Jeezus, SIX, stop feeling so specially picked on!

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SIGNY: The only winner so far is The Fed because it has 'lent' many big banks ... including international ones ... an unimaginable amount of money and now has them in thrall. The EU central bank (ECB) so far has not been able to crank up digital money-creation because the nation backstopping such loans ... Germany... won't go along with it.

SIX: No more in their thrall than they already were. Our currency has been monopoly money for longer than I've been alive. This didn't just happen in the last 2 months.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

OK

It still doesn't say what you said I said.

Keep looking.

Because if that's all you've got, yes... You misremember.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

So. Apology then?
For what? I haven't gone back into the other threads to trawl for your posts.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Because I didn't say what you said I said.

That's how you interpreted it. It seems that you regularly do this when you don't agree with me.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, September 13, 2021 5:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So I've been thinking about our problematic response to Covid-19. And the reality is, there were no TECHNICAL reasons why we couldn't have handled it better.

All of our problems are social, and political.

What it would have taken for a coordinated and effective response to the pandemic is a government interested in solving it, and a population that trusted the government, media, and scientists to have our collective interests at heart.

But I think most of us know, in our hearts, that pretty much everyone in any high position of authority/influence is really just wanting to bleed us all dry and then skin us.

Look at "our" response to 911: Instead of hunting down the perpetrators and bringing them to justice thru our criminal courts, we were put in the (brain)wash and spin cycle until most of us didn't know which way was up, and then we were were stampeded in the direction of invading two uninvolved nations; launching a boundary-less, endless, pointless "global war on terror" (GWOT); and stripping us of our civil liberties via the "Patriot" Act.

EVERY SINGLE emergency, big or small (like the global financial crisis of 2008) ... and plenty of made-up ones ... were used as the launch pad for even more depredations against us average Americans.

And I think, honestly, most people feel it. They know they're being repeatedly victimized.

So NO WONDER governments are facing huge resistance, even if the resistance is self-destructive.

I think our government, media, corporations, security-state etc are too corrupt and too far gone to restore faith. It would take a multi-decades-long project of honest government and honest reporting and honest accounting, and TPTB ... well, they're just not interested in that project! All they want to do is stay in power, line their pockets, and mind-fuck the American people.

*****

Correct. Everything.

But...

Quote:
But here's the thing: If people have reached SUCH a state of aggravation that they're willing to sacrifice their health and maybe even their lives in some sort of quixotic middle finger to TPTB ...

I guess what I don't understand is this: If people TRULY believe that they live in a hostile state, with a hostile government, then why don't they start taking their own intuition seriously and start ACTING ON IT?

You don't survive in a hostile situation by throwing temper tantrums and hissy fits, expecting the "gubmint" ... yanno, the entity that is taking away your individual and collective agency in one giant scoop after another ... to suddenly become the repentant parent, see the error of their ways, and reform. It's not going to happen

You also don't survive by denying reality. I mean, if you're walking thru a minefield you better be pretty careful where you put you feet!

So whether this crisis solves itself ... or not ... or another crisis rears its ugly head ... don't expect our government and social response to be any less dysfunctional. Yes, there are a lot of things that our government/media/security state etc "could" do, and even more urgent things that they "should" do, but none of them are going to get done because none of the politicians standing for election have the honesty and integrity to tell the American people the truth, and even if they did and came close to power, they wouldn't survive.

I'm not sacrificing my health or my life to give a middle finger to anybody. I'm not denying reality either. That's your interpretation of what I'm doing because you bought into this bullshit.

As far as "acting on it", what are you suggesting?

I vote, even though that's little more than the last refuge of the politically impotent. I'm certainly not going to start going around wearing a mask and burning shit down like some people do.

I acted on it in my own way. Planning my financial future since

SECOND

Monday, September 13, 2021 6:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So I've been thinking about our problematic response to Covid-19. And the reality is, there were no TECHNICAL reasons why we couldn't have handled it better.

All of our problems are social, and political. . . .

Look at "our" response to 911: Instead of hunting down the perpetrators and bringing them to justice thru our criminal courts, we were put in the (brain)wash and spin cycle until most of us didn't know which way was up, and then we were were stampeded in the direction of invading two uninvolved nations; launching a boundary-less, endless, pointless "global war on terror" (GWOT); and stripping us of our civil liberties via the "Patriot" Act.

EVERY SINGLE emergency, big or small (like the global financial crisis of 2008) ... and plenty of made-up ones ... were used as the launch pad for even more depredations against us average Americans.

American government runs exactly as expected, but only if you account for who is in charge of what. George Bush and Dick Cheney had a history in government and after 9/11 they ran the government exactly as expected, if you account for who they are. This assumes you paid attention to what they did before the crisis. If you had, you knew what they would do after the 9/11. If you don’t pay attention, everything is unexpected and inexplicably confusing.

The governors of Texas and Florida had a history, just like Bush and Cheney, and those governors handled Covid-19 just as predictably indifferent to deaths as Bush and Cheney handled the million deaths that followed from their 9/11 policies.

So long as there are Senators like Ted Cruz and John Cornyn from Texas, America will be governed as the Republicans want. You might vote for a Republican to solve your problems, but once in office your Republican Senator will act the same as Ted Cruz, who is not there to solve your problems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cornyn

Why can’t Democrats counteract the Republicans? Look at Senators Bernie Sanders and Patrick Leahy from Vermont. You can depend on Bernie to oppose Cruz, but Leahy, who is the only Democrat ever elected to the U.S. Senate from Vermont, is better suited to be a Republican than a Democrat. If Leahy had not been born blind in one eye to give him a taste of suffering and a concern for others less fortunate, he’d be the Republican Senator from Vermont, while Bernie is the Independent Senator. Again, this is why America will be governed as the Republicans want. If you don’t like it, too bad. Texas likes Republicans, so the Federal government will be bent by Senator Cruz to do what Texas wants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Leahy

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Monday, September 13, 2021 6:54 PM

Quote:
SIGNYM:
So I've been thinking about our problematic response to Covid-19. And the reality is, there were no TECHNICAL reasons why we couldn't have handled it better.
All of our problems are social, and political.
What it would have taken for a coordinated and effective response to the pandemic is a government interested in solving it, and a population that trusted the government, media, and scientists to have our collective interests at heart.

But I think most of us know, in our hearts, that pretty much everyone in any high position of authority/influence is really just wanting to bleed us all dry and then skin us.
Look at "our" response to 911: Instead of hunting down the perpetrators and bringing them to justice thru our criminal courts, we were put in the (brain)wash and spin cycle until most of us didn't know which way was up, and then we were were stampeded in the direction of invading two uninvolved nations; launching a boundary-less, endless, pointless "global war on terror" (GWOT); and stripping us of our civil liberties via the "Patriot" Act.
EVERY SINGLE emergency, big or small (like the global financial crisis of 2008) ... and plenty of made-up ones ... were used as the launch pad for even more depredations against us average Americans.
And I think, honestly, most people feel it. They know they're being repeatedly victimized.
So NO WONDER governments are facing huge resistance, even if the resistance is self-destructive.
I think our government, media, corporations, security-state etc are too corrupt and too far gone to restore faith. It would take a multi-decades-long project of honest government and honest reporting and honest accounting, and TPTB ... well, they're just not interested in that project! All they want to do is stay in power, line their pockets, and mind-fuck the American people...

SIX: Correct. Everything.
But...

SIGNY: But here's the thing: If people have reached SUCH a state of aggravation that they're willing to sacrifice their health and maybe even their lives in some sort of quixotic middle finger to TPTB ...

I guess what I don't understand is this: If people TRULY believe that they live in a hostile state, with a hostile government, then why don't they start taking their own intuition seriously and start ACTING ON IT?
You don't survive in a hostile situation by throwing temper tantrums and hissy fits, expecting the "gubmint" ... yanno, the entity that is taking away your individual and collective agency in one giant scoop after another ... to suddenly become the repentant parent, see the error of their ways, and reform. It's not going to happen

You also don't survive by denying reality. I mean, if you're walking thru a minefield you better be pretty careful where you put you feet!
So whether this crisis solves itself ... or not ... or another crisis rears its ugly head ... don't expect our government and social response to be any less dysfunctional. Yes, there are a lot of things that our government/media/security state etc "could" do, and even more urgent things that they "should" do, but none of them are going to get done because none of the politicians standing for election have the honesty and integrity to tell the American people the truth, and even if they did and came close to power, they wouldn't survive.

SIX: I'm not sacrificing my health or my life to give a middle finger to anybody.

I wasn't addressing you, specifically. Maybe YOU aren't, but some are

Quote:
SIX: I'm not denying reality either.

Oh, you are.
Big time!
But it's not just you.
Look at JO: he STILL thinks Rachel Madcow is telling him The Truth. He hasn't figured out (yet) that he's being lied to 24/7/365.

Look at SECOND: He's stuck in a delusion where only Republicans do bad things.

Quote:
SIX: As far as "acting on it", what are you suggesting?
I vote, even thou

SECOND

Monday, September 13, 2021 11:19 PM

The US death rate from COVID-19 is still unbelievably high

The US death rate from COVID-19 is no longer skyrocketing, but it's still going up. Our mortality rate is 150% above Britain and more than 1000% higher than Germany.

https://jabberwocking.com/the-us-death-rate-from-covid-19-is-still-unb
elievably-high/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, September 14, 2021 12:43 AM

We seem to be 2 years into this whole virus Covid lockdown thing, more Corona lockdowns from an event almost 2 years ago I think one of the first users on fireflyfans was 1KIKI posting medical reports, indie news items and a mix of online chat and gossip that a new virus was coming from the East out of Wuhan China, it then started to burn through Italian and Spanish hsopitals, it arrived in London and I think 1KIKI said it would be in the USA if not by December 2019 it would arrive by Jan 2020

Total Death
USA 678,125
Brazil 586,882
India 443,375
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Graphs
http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, September 14, 2021 5:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
SIGNYM:
So I've been thinking about our problematic response to Covid-19. And the reality is, there were no TECHNICAL reasons why we couldn't have handled it better.
All of our problems are social, and political.
What it would have taken for a coordinated and effective response to the pandemic is a government interested in solving it, and a population that trusted the government, media, and scientists to have our collective interests at heart.

But I think most of us know, in our hearts, that pretty much everyone in any high position of authority/influence is really just wanting to bleed us all dry and then skin us.
Look at "our" response to 911: Instead of hunting down the perpetrators and bringing them to justice thru our criminal courts, we were put in the (brain)wash and spin cycle until most of us didn't know which way was up, and then we were were stampeded in the direction of invading two uninvolved nations; launching a boundary-less, endless, pointless "global war on terror" (GWOT); and stripping us of our civil liberties via the "Patriot" Act.
EVERY SINGLE emergency, big or small (like the global financial crisis of 2008) ... and plenty of made-up ones ... were used as the launch pad for even more depredations against us average Americans.
And I think, honestly, most people feel it. They know they're being repeatedly victimized.
So NO WONDER governments are facing huge resistance, even if the resistance is self-destructive.
I think our government, media, corporations, security-state etc are too corrupt and too far gone to restore faith. It would take a multi-decades-long project of honest government and honest reporting and honest accounting, and TPTB ... well, they're just not interested in that project! All they want to do is stay in power, line their pockets, and mind-fuck the American people...

SIX: Correct. Everything.
But...

SIGNY: But here's the thing: If people have reached SUCH a state of aggravation that they're willing to sacrifice their health and maybe even their lives in some sort of quixotic middle finger to TPTB ...

I guess what I don't understand is this: If people TRULY believe that they live in a hostile state, with a hostile government, then why don't they start taking their own intuition seriously and start ACTING ON IT?
You don't survive in a hostile situation by throwing temper tantrums and hissy fits, expecting the "gubmint" ... yanno, the entity that is taking away your individual and collective agency in one giant scoop after another ... to suddenly become the repentant parent, see the error of their ways, and reform. It's not going to happen

You also don't survive by denying reality. I mean, if you're walking thru a minefield you better be pretty careful where you put you feet!
So whether this crisis solves itself ... or not ... or another crisis rears its ugly head ... don't expect our government and social response to be any less dysfunctional. Yes, there are a lot of things that our government/media/security state etc "could" do, and even more urgent things that they "should" do, but none of them are going to get done because none of the politicians standing for election have the honesty and integrity to tell the American people the truth, and even if they did and came close to power, they wouldn't survive.

SIX: I'm not sacrificing my health or my life to give a middle finger to anybody.

I wasn't addressing you, specifically. Maybe YOU aren't, but some are

My mistake. I thought you were saying that I'm risking my life and/or health by not getting vaccinated.

Quote:
SIX: I'm not denying reality either.
Oh, you are.
Big time!

Says you. Whatever.

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But it's not just you.
Look at JO: he STILL thinks Rachel Madcow is telling him The Truth. He hasn't figured out (y

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THG

Saturday, September 18, 2021 4:34 PM

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Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

How Trump dismantled the U.S. pandemic response infrastructure

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:36 PM

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Originally posted by THG:
681,427 Covid Deaths

Lie.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, September 19, 2021 7:20 AM

Speaking of lies...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/new-york-times-forced-to-co
rrect-major-error-on-ivermectin

Nothing any of them say is ever true. Especially the New York Times.

Who cares that they silently corrected the article weeks after it was first published?

Nobody that reads NYT is going to ever read the correction. The bad info is already burned permanently in their brains.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SECOND

Sunday, September 19, 2021 6:53 PM

If Joe Biden mandated not walking off a cliff we could wrap this thing up today.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, September 19, 2021 7:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
If Joe Biden mandated not walking off a cliff we could wrap this thing up today.

Dumb.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SECOND

Saturday, September 25, 2021 2:01 AM

Wondering why society went off-kilter during the pandemic? It was all predicted in this book

By Danny Westneat
Seattle Times columnist
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/mental-health/wondering-why-
society-went-off-kilter-during-the-pandemic-it-was-all-predicted-in-this-book/

When I wrote last week about how northern Idaho was surging with COVID cases, to the point that hospitals had triggered a plan to ration medical care, I got a slew of correspondence from people there saying: No we aren’t.

“We don’t have any outbreaks here,” one insisted. “I know a few people working in Kootenai Health, the largest hospital in the area, and they are not busy at all. They are actually overstaffed in the ER.”

Wrote another: “I am in Coeur d’Alene and serve hundreds of customers and I’ve heard of nobody that’s been hospitalized, or who has even got COVID. I am disgusted at the inaccuracy of your article.”

Said a third: “More fearmongering by the media about our so-called ‘pandemic.’”

I wrote back to these Idahoans, attaching an alert from Kootenai Health itself, the main hospital in their own town, Coeur d’Alene. It’s entitled “Kootenai Health implements crisis standards of care as COVID-19 cases soar.” It details how the hospital is so jammed it converted its conference room into an overflow field clinic for COVID patients.

One of the Idahoans wrote back, not to say he may have misjudged the situation, but to instead accuse the hospital of now being part of my conspiracy: “My initial thought on reading this is the hospital may be falsely reporting to get more COVID funding. I will dig into it.”

Is this normal? More than a year and a half into our pandemic odyssey, I find this ongoing behavior to be the most baffling part of the story — that there remains a group of citizens, not sure how large, who refuse to acknowledge that a major health event is even happening. Or if it is, that it’s a big deal.

We’re approaching 700,000 dead in the U.S., and yet every day I still get feedback from readers who insist it’s all overblown. Or that it’s no worse than the flu. (I long ago stopped responding to the flu comparison people, but if I did, I would note that it takes 20 years for the flu to kill this many people.)

This past week, the entire state of Idaho has moved to crisis standards of care, in which resources are stretched so thin that patients may be treated based on who has the best chances of survival. Still, that news, which seems alarming enough to me, isn’t necessarily getting through. I’ve noticed that hospitals increasingly are inviting reporters directly into the ICU wards, in a maddening bid to try to convince the public, after all these months, that the pandemic even exists.

But it turns out this denial behavior is not only normal, it was totally foreseeable, according to Steven Taylor, a psychologist at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, B.C.

Taylor would know because he predicted it. He wrote a remarkable little book back in 2019 called “The Psychology of Pandemics.” Its premise is that pandemics are “not simply events in which some harmful microbe ‘goes viral,’” but rather are mass psychological phenomena about the behaviors, attitudes and emotions of people.

The book came out pre-COVID and yet predicts every trend and trope we’ve been living for 19 months now: the hoarding of supplies like toilet paper at the start; the rapid spread of “unfounded rumors and fake news”; the backlash against masks and vaccines; the rise and acceptance of conspiracy theories; and the division of society into people who “dutifully conform to the advice of health authorities” — sometimes compulsively so — and those who “engage in seemingly self-defeating behaviors such as refusing to get vaccinated.”

He has no crystal ball, he says, it’s just that all of this has happened before. A lot of people believed the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 was spread by the Germans through Bayer aspirin. It’s all based on basic psychology as to how people react to health emergencies.

The deni

SIGNYM

Saturday, September 25, 2021 3:12 AM

Quote:

A lot of people believed the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 was spread by the Germans through Bayer aspirin. It’s all based on basic psychology as to how people react to health emergencies.

Spanish flu = Covid-19
1918= 2020
Germans = Fauci/ NWO/ Chinese
aspirin = vaccine

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SECOND

Saturday, September 25, 2021 4:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

A lot of people believed the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 was spread by the Germans through Bayer aspirin. It’s all based on basic psychology as to how people react to health emergencies.

Spanish flu = Covid-19
1918= 2020
Germans = Fauci/ NWO/ Chinese
aspirin = vaccine

Medical Conspiracy Theories

Disease outbreaks are commonly the subject of conspiracy theories, especially when the nature of the disease is poorly understood. Regarding the AIDS pandemic, for example, there have been several unsubstantiated conspiracy theories contending that HIV/AIDS is a bioengineered weapon intended to wipe out homosexuality or to commit racial genocide by eliminating African Americans (Heller, 2015; Parsons, Simmons, Shinhoster, & Kilburn, 1999). In Padua, Italy, during the Bubonic Plague outbreak of 1576, a pamphlet was circulated widely in the city, proclaiming the conspiracy theory that “wicked ones (sciagurati) were spreading the disease intentionally with infected clothing and poisonous ointments (untioni) rubbed on door handles and knockers” (Cohn, 2010, p. 119). During the Spanish flu pandemic, which occurred during World War I, there was a conspiracy theory that the virus was being spread by a pharmaceutical company:

Such was the virulence of anti-German fanaticism in 1918 that the USPHS [United States Public Health Service] was obliged … to test Bayer Aspirin tablets to counteract rumors that Bayer, producing aspirin under what had originally been a German patent, was poisoning its customers with flu germs. The tablets proved to be uninhabited by germs. (Crosby, 2003, p. 216)

Conspiracy theories were also raised about the Zika virus. According to one unsubstantiated theory, the virus was the inadvertent creation of a biotech company that had been raising genetically modified mosquitoes to combat dengue fever (Jacobs, Perpetua, Sreeharsha, McNeil, & Tavernise, 2016). Another unsubstantiated theory asserted that Zika was part of a plot by global elites—a shadowy organization known as the New World Order—to depopulate the planet and install a one-world government (Jacobs et al., 2016). There is no evidence that this organization ever existed but it has, nonetheless, been the focus of numerous conspiracy theories. According to one theory, the New World Order was responsible for the SARS outbreak (Lee, 2014). Early in the SARS outbreak, Australian health officials were forced to quell conspiracy theories about SARS being an act of terrorism or biological warfare conducted by some malevolent country or agency (Lee, 2014). During the 2009 Swine flu pandemic various conspiracy theories arose, including the theory that terrorists were using infected Mexicans immigrating to the United States as “walking germ warfare weapons” (Smallman, 2015, p. 5).

- from Chapter 7 of the book by Steven Taylor The Psychology of Pandemics
Download book for free from the mirrors at https://libgen.unblockit.ws/search.php?req=The+Psychology+of+Pandemics

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, September 25, 2021 6:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Wondering why society went off-kilter during the pandemic? It was all predicted in this book

I've thrived since April of 2020.

Society is what you make of it.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SECOND

Saturday, September 25, 2021 4:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Wondering why society went off-kilter during the pandemic? It was all predicted in this book

I've thrived since April of 2020.

Society is what you make of it.

You have an inflated sense of invulnerability:

Related to the unrealistic optimism bias is the sense of invulnerability. That is, the sense that one is unlikely to be affected by threats such as serious infectious disease. People with an inflated sense of invulnerability are (1) less likely to experience anxiety in response to stressful life events (Kleiman et al., 2017); (2) more likely to take up smoking or drug use (Hill, Duggan, & Lapsley, 2012; Morrell, Lapsley, & Halpern-Felsher, 2016; Ravert et al., 2009); (3) more likely to drink and drive (Chan, Wu, & Hung, 2010; Ravert et al., 2009); and (4) less likely to intend to seek vaccination, even for pandemics such as Swine flu (Taha et al., 2013).

- Chapter 4 of free book by Steven Taylor The Psychology of Pandemics
Download it from https://zlibrary.unblockit.ws/book/17038366/5febd7

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, September 27, 2021 3:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Wondering why society went off-kilter during the pandemic? It was all predicted in this book

I've thrived since April of 2020.

Society is what you make of it.
You have an inflated sense of invulnerability:

Nah.

I'm just awesome.

Sorry you suck man.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, September 30, 2021 6:41 PM

TRUTH: An already fat America is much, much fatter after Covid public "health" mandates.

Not to mention all the people who've killed themselves or enslaved themselves to hard core drugs.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SIGNYM

Sunday, October 3, 2021 2:02 AM

Long article, but worth the read

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The Vineyard of the Saker
Pandemic: Political and economic consequences underneath a false flagged health banner
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Note by the Saker: as I hope you all know, I have banned the topic of COVID from the blog (see the moderation rules here: https://thesaker.is/moderation-policy/ (specifically rule #18). I will admit that when Apogee send me his article my first thought was “oh boy, here we go again”. Except that when I started reading it, I was more and more impressed by what I read. And I am not referring to the substance of Apogee’s analysis, which I do like but don’t feel the need to endorse or comment upon, but by how Apogee compared and contrasted how different countries, even from the same “Zone” approached the topic. The facts presented here prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that there never was any world conspiracy to (fill the blank): each country struggled as best it could, some did terribly, others did much better, and some did very well. So much for the big planetary conspiracy, which Putin once ridiculed when he said: “those who think that the big powers are all in cahoots on this, simply don’t understand the contradictions and tensions of international relations” (I am quoting from memory, so this is not verbatim!).
Anyway, my painful experience tells me that as soon as somebody says “COVID” we have an instant verbal fistfight in which everybody uses slogans instead of fists. So, and for this article only I have decided to add these commenting rules ON TOP of all the other ones (which are still applicable here):

None of us need you to tell us how to make our own health decisions. Keep that to yourself as it is unwelcome and will be deleted.
If you have good information as to political and economic issues from your country, this will be welcomed.
Anti-vaccine screeds with no support will be deleted. We don’t want to know.
Keep Schwab out of this – he has no executive power. Ignore that, as it should be ignored and as it is ignored by the rational world.
Post your own ideas. Answer the final question in the article. We don’t need any alt-media or other media links unless it is clean, clear and rational. Any links with ‘bomshell’, or ’55 doctors agree’ or such types of click bait will be deleted.

Having said all that, I want to thank Apogee for his major research effort and his article which, I hope, will inject a much-needed dose of sanity into a debate gone completely insane. Oh, one more thing, I know who Apogee is, and I respect him, so any personal attacks against him, including rude, snarky, or insulting comments (ad hominems) will be immediately removed too and, depending on how bad that comment it, its author suspended or even banned. It is said that I would have to spell this out again, but my painful experience taught me that some folks need a lot of repetition, or even being banned before they “get it”.
Finally, some banned folks feel the need to send email, a barrage of emails mixing more of their arguments and/or insults and complaints. Message for them: do that and I will simply block you.
I hope that the above is clear enough to finally have an intelligent, fact-based, and logical discussion.
My apologies to those who don’t need to be reminded of the above and who never posted the kind of nonsense which the fanatics on either side did.
Kind regards
Andrei
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Pandemic: Political and economic consequences underneath a false flagged health banner

by Apogee for the Saker Blog

This article discusses the political and economic consequences underneath the false flagged health banner while some rake in the cash. Starting with a segment of the west, the article moves to compare and contrast what is different in ZoneB countries. The very latest up to the minute announcements from various countries are put in perspective, concluding with the only actions that now seem possible. To set the scene, this is not ‘the perfect manuscript’ but is intended to tell the s

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, October 3, 2021 6:18 AM

We all had herd immunity from Covid before anybody knew the word as anything other than shitty, overpriced, watered down beer.

Follow the immunoresponse. It's all right there in plain sight.

It has been since the beginning.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

1KIKI

Sunday, October 3, 2021 8:13 AM

Signy

I think the author focuses mainly on the government and economic-interests responses, but isn't as knowledgeable about vaccines and biology.

I think a lot of US people lost trust in the government simply because of all the double-talk à la Fauci. I know I did. He alone was imo the single biggest torpedo to public trust in the US. And once trust is lost, speculation abounds, exploding outside the limits of reality, as your article points out. But that's not to say that the government isn't acting in an untrustworthy way. And that starts with Trump, who entered into yuge contracts with vaccine manufacturers and continuing to this day. But that's SOP for the US, anyway. Government should never do anything on its own, it should merely - and meekly - cough up as much public money as possible to send to private manufactures. Government in service of corporations!

I think the other factor in the US is the numbers. 700,000 people have died - for ease of calculation, let's call it a million because it'll get there soon enough. That's a bit less than 1 in 300 people. MOST people won't know someone directly who's died of COVID-19. They won't have seen it at work, they won't have a personal connection, they won't suffer any grief. (I myself know directly one person who's died of COVID-19, and it still comes as a shock when I think about it.) As I said of this a long time ago, until more people in the US have direct experience with COVID-19 deaths - like they did with yellow fever and smallpox and polio - they won't take it seriously. And they CERTAINLY won't take the word of the government on it, since the government's been double-dealing with us all along.

In the Zone B area I think the governments were very upfront about what they knew and especially didn't know, about what they were doing and why they were doing it, and were dealing with the situation directly ... not passing it off to the corporations. I think that direct link between the government and the actions being taken actually fostered more trust in the government than having it scurry around in the background.

As I've also said for roughly a year and a half, it won't be gotten rid of anywhere until it's gotten rid of everywhere. And while there are a lot of non-medical approaches that can help - including as China used and is still using targeted cordon sanitaire, masks, and hand sanitizers - imo in the end the way to eradicate this virus is through vaccination. (BTW, any comparison to influenza is non-viable, as influenza has existed in the human population for thousands of years, and has had thousands of years to diversify. That said, there is a universal flu vaccine being studied.) Eradication is possible. Given what it would take it might not be probable, but it's possible.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, October 3, 2021 9:22 AM

No.

You don't know one single person who's died of Covid-19, Kiki.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

1KIKI

Sunday, October 3, 2021 10:22 AM

You keep saying you ignore me. When will you actually do that? I'm still waiting for it to be true.

SIGNYM

Sunday, October 3, 2021 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Signy

I think the author focuses mainly on the government and economic-interests responses, but isn't as knowledgeable about vaccines and biology.

And I find it ironic when he writes ...

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Because these groupings exist without, in the main, strong medical, virology, epidemiology and such backgrounds, their works soon became shared delusions based on common grievances, the embrace of conspiracy theories, and other politically relevant affinities.

And then continues to write without a strong background in medicine, virology, epidemiology and so forth, and writes from shared delusions, common grievances, and politically-relevant affinities (i.e. he is anti-Zone A).

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Sunday, October 3, 2021 11:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

You keep saying you ignore me. When will you actually do that? I'm still waiting for it to be true.

Well, for the most part I ignore him on the topic.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, October 3, 2021 7:27 PM

I don't take any of your idiotic bullshit on the issue as anything more than idiotic bullshit.

But I'll never pass up an opportunity to let you know that it's idiotic bullshit.

But hey! At least we're making progress here...

You're not screaming "vagina!" anymore.

Looks like you finally realized that I do this to idiocy indiscriminately.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SECOND

Sunday, October 3, 2021 7:37 PM

Dear Care and Feeding,

I am sure you get a lot of these types of questions now, but I really need some help. Despite significant political differences (my immediate family leans conservative and I lean liberal), we have remained a close-knit, loving unit of four. Of course, since the ascendency of Trump, the differences between my brother and me have been increasingly hard to navigate. Still, one thing I thought we had (and would always have!) in common was caring for each other’s welfare and for the welfare of our elderly parents. My father is terminally ill with heart failure and leukemia and has been hospitalized several times during the pandemic; my mother has twice been treated for cancer, most recently in 2017. They are both in their 80s. I’m sure you know where I am going with this.

I live about an hour away from them and visit as often as I can. When I do, I wear a mask despite the fact that all three of us are vaccinated (I made sure to help my parents get vaccinated as soon as they were eligible) and I work from home and observe all Covid precautions. Cut to my most recent visit: my brother unexpectedly showed up with his girlfriend from Peru, whom we had never met before, and neither one of them was wearing a mask. At first I said nothing, though I was very upset, and tried to remain as civil as possible but I could no longer hold my tongue when my brother began to tease me for wearing a mask, mockingly asking me if I had been “mandated.” I told him he had no right to mock me for taking seriously the well-being of our parents. He proceeded to lecture me about how Biden and Fauci are liars. At that point I had to excuse myself.

I privately told my mom I was leaving and encouraged her to dismiss my brother and his girlfriend from the house if they refused to take precautions. Shortly after I left, I believe my brother and his girlfriend left. But the damage is done. I am not sure either of them is vaccinated, and I have no certainty of the levels of precautions they take in their daily lives to know how high a risk they are to my parents. My question to you is this: How do I tell my mom to put her foot down with my brother? She wants to keep the peace and see her children. I don’t want to deny her that. However, if my brother is prioritizing his political views and balks at mask-wearing and taking other precautions to protect two people who are among the most vulnerable to the worst effects of this virus, I feel he needs to be barred from seeing them. What can I do?

—Frustrated Sister

Dear Frustrated,

I’m sorry—so sorry—that the bizarre politicization of a matter of public health has infiltrated the peace and harmony of your family and driven this wedge between siblings who had formerly managed to keep their political differences out of their relationship (no small thing!). You’re right: we get questions about family breakdowns around the politicization of Covid all the time. It makes absolutely no sense to me that anyone would not take Covid seriously given the scale of devastation we’ve seen. And despite being an advice columnist, I’ve been no better-equipped than anyone else to navigate relationships with people who refuse to take the threat seriously (I have tried and failed).

What I can tell you with certainty is that you will not be able to persuade your brother to see things the way you do (and you seem to be resigned to this) and that you cannot make your mother banish him from her home or her life. You can, of course—and you might as well—sit down with your parents and remind them of the risks they are taking with their lives if they spend time indoors, unmasked, with anyone who might infect them. Make sure they understand what we now know: that even fully vaccinated people of their age, particularly those with the other risk factors your parents have, are at risk of a dangerous “breakthrough” infection (younger, otherwise healthy people, if fully vaccinated, while at risk for breakthrough Covid, run only a very small risk of serious illness). Remind them that it would be much, much

SECOND

Monday, October 11, 2021 2:40 AM

Double threat

During the current pandemic, some scientists have started to worry that the coronavirus could increase the risk of dementia. As scientists from Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York warned in the Journal of Alzheimer's Disease last year: "It is possible that there may be an existing population who have become unknowingly predisposed to neurodegeneration through silent viral entry into the brain."

There are some signs that Covid infections can bring about neural damage. Researchers at a recent meeting of the Alzheimer's Association, for example, presented an analysis of blood samples taken from otherwise healthy patients recovering from Covid. They found elevated levels of signature chemicals that often accompany the onset of Alzheimer's disease.

This could just be another consequence of the overall assault on the body, including the increased inflammation that comes with the disease. But some animal studies and analyses of human autopsies suggest that the coronavirus can invade the brain. And laboratory experiments suggest that this infection may, in turn, trigger neural damage. In one striking study, Jay Gopalakrishnan at Heinrich-Heine-University in Dusseldorf and colleagues created a series of "cerebral organoids" – miniature, lab-grown brain tissue – and then exposed them to the virus. They saw some marked changes in the tau proteins that are associated with Alzheimer's, and increased neural death, after infection from the virus.

Such findings ring alarm bells for Fulop. "Sars-Cov-2 may act exactly as HSV-1," he proposes. Others – including Gopalakrishnan – are more cautious, however. "We have demonstrated that the virus can infect human neurons, and it can cause some sort of neuronal stress," he says. "And this may have some unexpected effects." Much more research will be necessary to assess any long-term risks for neurological disease.

More at https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20211006-what-if-dormant-microbes-t
rigger-alzheimers

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, October 11, 2021 8:44 AM

You can't afford any more dementia, dude.

Better get that booster shot!

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SECOND

Tuesday, October 12, 2021 7:06 PM

Under increasing pressure from his GOP primary opponents, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott is changing his position on vaccine mandates and now trying to bar private businesses from requiring their workers to get them.

It was just in August, Abbott declared in an executive order that he would bar governments from requiring them. But his office made clear he would not meddle in private business decisions.

"Private businesses don't need government running their business,” Abbott’s spokeswoman Renae Eze said at the time.

But that changed Monday as the uproar from conservative politicians over Southwest Airlines canceling hundreds of flights, which many Republicans have insisted is due to a worker shortage because of employees refusing to get vaccinated. Southwest Airlines and the pilots union have denied that is the reason for the cancellations.

Still, after U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz and other politicians slammed Southwest Airlines repeatedly for their vaccine mandates, Abbott issued a new government decree barring any private company from requiring COVID vaccines for employees who object to them for “any reason of personal conscience.”

Hours earlier former State Sen. Don Huffines, one of Abbott’s opponents, declared on social media that if he were governor he’d ban all vaccine mandates. And just over the weekend, another primary opponent Allen West declared he too is even more committed to opposing vaccine mandates even as he was recovering from being hospitalized from COVID-19.

https://web.archive.org/web/20211012130220/https://www.houstonchronicl
e.com/politics/texas/article/Abbott-flips-aims-to-bar-private-businesses-from-16525816.php

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, October 12, 2021 7:31 PM

One more example of the tyranny and evil our government is willing to do for you Kiki.

https://abc7chicago.com/illinois-covid-vaccine-mandate-health-care-rig
ht-of-conscience-act-jb-pritzker-fraternal-order-police/11113439/

Every day that passes, I'm just more right about everything.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, October 12, 2021 7:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Southwest Airlines and the pilots union have denied that is the reason for the cancellations.

Yeah. That's a lie that they've been saying since the beginning and that the Legacy Media has been more than happy to parrot. I've already been talking about that one here for days.

They were the only airline getting rained on at the airport, apparently.

You're an idiot.

These people coming out in defiance of Biden* and his cohorts gleefully circumventing the constitution using an agency that the Nixon administration set up are heroes.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SECOND

Tuesday, October 12, 2021 8:06 PM

If the COVID-19 pandemic is not brought under control, it would reduce global GDP by a cumulative $5.3 trillion over the next five years, the International Monetary Fund warned on Tuesday.

Economies around the world are now divided into two camps: those with access to the vaccine and those without.

Less than 5% of the population in low-income developing countries are fully vaccinated compared with about 58% in the richest economies.

The IMF is forecasting that emerging market economies will gain greater access to vaccines in 2022, while some of the poorest will have to wait until 2023.

Hospitalizations and deaths are expected to be brought to low levels everywhere by the end of 2022.

https://web.archive.org/web/20211012140156/https://www.marketwatch.com
/story/failing-to-bring-covid-19-under-control-will-cost-5-3-trillion-in-lost-global-growth-over-next-five-years-imf-estimates-11634044057

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Tuesday, October 12, 2021 8:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Southwest Airlines and the pilots union have denied that is the reason for the cancellations.

Yeah. That's a lie that they've been saying since the beginning and that the Legacy Media has been more than happy to parrot. I've already been talking about that one here for days.

They were the only airline getting rained on at the airport, apparently.

You're an idiot.

These people coming out in defiance of Biden* and his cohorts gleefully circumventing the constitution using an agency that the Nixon administration set up are heroes.

Hannah Arendt said the ideal subjects of totalitarian rule were people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction and between true and false no longer existed. Hannah Arendt talks about vulgarity and totalitarianism, that the way that leaders speak changes people’s souls. It changes what people think is right and wrong, acceptable, unacceptable. And that does damage. It really does hurt the society.

A key point that both Putin and Trump share is that when they lie they never apologize. They never acknowledge that they’ve made mistakes or lie because they don’t believe that there is actually a truth out there. It is not just a habit. It’s a policy to try to crowd factuality out of the public sphere. You lie all the time. You call the journalists the liars and then it’s in that confusion that you govern. Because if people don’t believe that there is truth, they think they’re sophisticated but in fact they’re completely impotent.

More at https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/how-putin-and-trump-have-eroded-
truth-and-rule-of-law-1.3275481

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, October 12, 2021 8:19 PM

This has nothing to do with Trump, moron.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SECOND

Tuesday, October 12, 2021 8:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This has nothing to do with Trump, moron.

6ix, you are lying.

Aug. 24, 2021 - Former President Donald Trump was booed at a rally in Cullman, Alabama, over the weekend when he urged the crowd to get vaccinated against COVID-19.

“I believe totally in your freedoms. I do. You’ve got to do what you have to do,” Trump said Saturday. “But I recommend: take the vaccines. I did it. It’s good. Take the vaccines.”

Some people in the largely maskless crowd started booing. Trump responded to the boos by saying it was “OK.”

“But I happen to take the vaccine,” he said. “If it doesn’t work, you’ll be the first to know. OK? I’ll call up Alabama, I’ll say, ‘Hey, you know what?’ But [the vaccine] is working. But you do have your freedoms you have to keep. You have to maintain that.”

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210823/trump-bo
oed-in-alabama-after-promoting-covid-vaccine

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, October 12, 2021 8:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
6ix, you are lying.

Everything you say is a lie. You are lying. You can't help yourself.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SECOND

Wednesday, October 13, 2021 2:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
6ix, you are lying.

Everything you say is a lie. You are lying. You can't help yourself.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Southwest Airlines and the pilots union have denied that is the reason for the cancellations.

Yeah. That's a lie that they've been saying since the beginning and that the Legacy Media has been more than happy to parrot. I've already been talking about that one here for days.

They were the only airline getting rained on at the airport, apparently.

You're an idiot.

“To be clear: None of the information from Southwest, its pilots union, or the FAA indicates that this weekend’s cancellations were related to vaccine mandates,” the Federal Aviation Administration tweeted Monday evening.

Kelly made the rounds of morning television Tuesday to explain that the thousands of nationwide cancellations and delays were sparked by weather issues in Florida and compounded by air traffic control issues in the surrounding area, triggering a chain reaction of cancellations through the weekend and Monday.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/12/no-evidence-southwest-cancelations-due-t
o-vaccine-mandate/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Wednesday, October 13, 2021 2:54 AM

Big business is overwhelmingly in favor of requiring that workers get vaccinated against Covid-19. A recent CNBC survey of chief financial officers found that 80 percent of them say they “totally support” the Biden administration’s plan to impose a vaccine-or-test mandate on companies with more than 100 workers, and many companies have already announced vaccination requirements for their employees.

Yet Greg Abbott, the governor of Texas, just issued an executive order banning vaccine mandates in his state. That is, he’s not just refusing to use his own powers to promote vaccination; he’s interfering in private decisions, trying to prevent businesses from requiring that their workers or customers be vaccinated.

And on Sunday, Senator Ted Cruz celebrated a wave of flight cancellations by Dallas-based Southwest Airlines, based on rumors — which both the airline and its union deny — that the problems were caused by a walkout of employees protesting the airline’s new vaccine requirements.

What’s going on here?

Republicans have been closely allied with big business since the Gilded Age, when a party originally based on opposition to slavery was in effect captured by the rising power of corporations. That alliance lost some of its force in the 1950s and 1960s, an era in which the G.O.P. largely accepted things like progressive taxation and strong labor unions, but came back in full with the rise of Ronald Reagan and his agenda of tax cuts and deregulation.

Indeed, it wasn’t that long ago that you could plausibly think of the Republican Party as basically a front for big-business interests, one that exploited social issues and appeals to racial hostility to win elections, only to turn immediately after each election to a pro-corporate agenda. That was basically the thesis of Thomas Frank’s 2004 book “What’s the Matter With Kansas,” and it seemed like a good model of the party until the rise of Trumpism.

Now, however, Republican politicians are at odds with corporate America on crucial issues. It’s not just vaccines. Corporate interests also want serious investment in infrastructure and find themselves on the outs with Republican leaders who don’t want to see Democrats achieve any policy successes. Basically, the G.O.P. is currently engaged in a major campaign of sabotage — its leaders want to see America do badly, because they believe this will redound to their political advantage — and if this hurts their corporate backers along the way, they don’t care.

Just to be clear, corporations aren’t being good guys. They support vaccine mandates and infrastructure investment because they believe that both would be good for their bottom lines. They’re still for the most part opposed to the rest of the Biden agenda, including — unforgivably — efforts to fight climate change, because they don’t want to pay higher taxes.

Still, the conflict between the G.O.P. and corporations is a striking new turn in American politics. And I wonder if some corporate leaders find themselves asking, in the privacy of their own minds, “My God, what have we done?”

For the truth is that the Republican Party has been growing increasingly radical — and decreasingly rational — for a long time. Republicans, the Anti-Business Party.

https://web.archive.org/web/20211012181613/https://www.nytimes.com/202
1/10/12/opinion/republicans-corporations-extremism.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, October 13, 2021 6:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
6ix, you are lying.

Everything you say is a lie. You are lying. You can't help yourself.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Southwest Airlines and the pilots union have denied that is the reason for the cancellations.

Yeah. That's a lie that they've been saying since the beginning and that the Legacy Media has been more than happy to parrot. I've already been talking about that one here for days.

They were the only airline getting rained on at the airport, apparently.

You're an idiot.
“To be clear: None of the information from Southwest, its pilots union, or the FAA indicates that this weekend’s cancellations were related to vaccine mandates,” the Federal Aviation Administration tweeted Monday evening.

Kelly made the rounds of morning television Tuesday to explain that the thousands of nationwide cancellations and delays were sparked by weather issues in Florida and compounded by air traffic control issues in the surrounding area, triggering a chain reaction of cancellations through the weekend and Monday.

The only problem with that story is that it wasn't Southwest Airlines Airport.

None of the other airlines were cancelling any flights due to weather issues.

Only Southwest Airlines.

No. That's not suspect at all.

You are an idiot.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Wednesday, October 13, 2021 7:59 AM

On Sunday, Nicole Sperry said her final goodbyes to her 10-year-old daughter, who died from Covid-19. Less than 24 hours later, she was behind a podium combating misinformation from parents at a Virginia school board meeting: "My message for you and all that are listening is that Covid is not over, no matter what people who have been standing up here have said. On September 27, during the last meeting, there were parents or concerned citizens that voiced misinformation to you."

"They said that Covid is basically over and that healthy people do not die. When they were sharing this information, their opinions, the fact was, I was sitting next to my healthy daughter's deathbed. She died five days after showing symptoms. I am sure they were speaking to what they've experienced, but they are wrong."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/12/us/va-child-death-covid-school-board-tr
nd/index.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, October 13, 2021 8:00 AM

A record 4.3 million people quit their jobs in August. Most of them in retail and grocery.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/12/a-record-4point3-million-workers-quit-
their-jobs-in-august-led-by-food-and-retail-industries.html

You mean that if you circumvent the Constitution using an agency that was created during the Nixon administration to mandate people get vaccines they don't want or need that they're not going to stick around and make minimum wage?

Fuck you.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Wednesday, October 13, 2021 8:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

The only problem with that story is that it wasn't Southwest Airlines Airport.

None of the other airlines were cancelling any flights due to weather issues.

Only Southwest Airlines.

No. That's not suspect at all.

You are an idiot.

6ix, you are just making up stories about what you don't know for reasons that you won't explain. A statement by the Southwest Airlines Pilots Association elaborated on the rumors:
“There are false claims of job actions by Southwest pilots currently gaining traction on social media and making their way into mainstream news. I can say with certainty that there are no work slowdowns or sickouts either related to the recent mandatory vaccine mandate or otherwise.”
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/delays-cancellations-continue-tuesda
y-as-southwest-airlines-seeks-recovery/2764220/

The union also said the travel headaches were caused by poor planning.

"SWA has claimed that the immediate causes of this weekend’s meltdown were staffing at Jacksonville center and weather in the southeast U.S., but what was a minor temporary event for other carriers devastated southwest airlines because our operation has become brittle and subject to massive failures under the slightest pressure,” the union said in a statement online.

The Reason Southwest Airlines Had an Epic Meltdown This Weekend
Republicans blamed vaccine mandates, but the truth is stranger.
https://slate.com/business/2021/10/southwest-airlines-cancelations-why
-it-happened.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, October 13, 2021 8:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

The only problem with that story is that it wasn't Southwest Airlines Airport.

None of the other airlines were cancelling any flights due to weather issues.

Only Southwest Airlines.

No. That's not suspect at all.

You are an idiot.
6ix, you are just making up stories about what you don't know for reasons that you won't explain. A statement by the Southwest Airlines Pilots Association elaborated on the rumors:
“There are false claims of job actions by Southwest pilots currently gaining traction on social media and making their way into mainstream news. I can say with certainty that there are no work slowdowns or sickouts either related to the recent mandatory vaccine mandate or otherwise.”
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/delays-cancellations-continue-tuesda
y-as-southwest-airlines-seeks-recovery/2764220/

The union also said the travel headaches were caused by poor planning.

"SWA has claimed that the immediate causes of this weekend’s meltdown were staffing at Jacksonville center and weather in the southeast U.S., but what was a minor temporary event for other carriers devastated southwest airlines because our operation has become brittle and subject to massive failures under the slightest pressure,” the union said in a statement online.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

No matter how many times you post this lie it won't make it true.

It's a lie. He's a liar. You're a liar.

Fuck you. Liar.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SECOND

Wednesday, October 13, 2021 8:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

No matter how many times you post this lie it won't make it true.

It's a lie. He's a liar. You're a liar.

Fuck you. Liar.

Hannah Arendt explained what 6ix is doing. She said the ideal subjects of totalitarian rule were people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction and between true and false no longer existed. Hannah Arendt talks about vulgarity and totalitarianism, that the way that leaders speak changes people’s souls. It changes what people think is right and wrong, acceptable, unacceptable. And that does damage. It really does hurt the society.

A key point that both Putin and Trump share is that when they lie they never apologize. They never acknowledge that they’ve made mistakes or lie because they don’t believe that there is actually a truth out there. It is not just a habit. It’s a policy to try to crowd factuality out of the public sphere. You lie all the time. You call the journalists the liars and then it’s in that confusion that you govern. Because if people don’t believe that there is truth, they think they’re sophisticated but in fact they’re completely impotent.

More at https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/how-putin-and-trump-have-eroded-
truth-and-rule-of-law-1.3275481

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Wednesday, October 13, 2021 8:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
A record 4.3 million people quit their jobs in August. Most of them in retail and grocery.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/12/a-record-4point3-million-workers-quit-
their-jobs-in-august-led-by-food-and-retail-industries.html

You mean that if you circumvent the Constitution using an agency that was created during the Nixon administration to mandate people get vaccines they don't want or need that they're not going to stick around and make minimum wage?

Fuck you.

The number of people quitting their jobs has surged to record highs, pushed by a combination of factors that include Americans sensing ample opportunity and better pay elsewhere.

Some 4.3 million people quit jobs in August — about 2.9 percent of the workforce, according to new data released Tuesday from the Labor Department. Those numbers are up from the previous record set in April, of about 4 million people quitting, reflecting how the pandemic has continued to jolt workers’ mind-sets about their jobs and their lives.

The phenomenon is being driven in part by workers who are less willing to endure inconvenient hours and poor compensation, who are quitting instead to find better opportunities. According to the report, there were 10.4 million job openings in the country at the end of August — down slightly from July’s record high, which was adjusted up to 11.1 million, but still a tremendously high number. This gives workers enormous leverage as they look for a better fit.

https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2021/10/12/a-record-number-of-workers
-are-quitting-their-jobs-empowered-by-new-leverage/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, October 14, 2021 6:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

No matter how many times you post this lie it won't make it true.

It's a lie. He's a liar. You're a liar.

Fuck you. Liar.
Hannah Arendt explained what 6ix is doing. She said the ideal subjects of totalitarian rule were people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction and between true and false no longer existed. Hannah Arendt talks about vulgarity and totalitarianism, that the way that leaders speak changes people’s souls. It changes what people think is right and wrong, acceptable, unacceptable. And that does damage. It really does hurt the society.

A key point that both Putin and Trump share is that when they lie they never apologize. They never acknowledge that they’ve made mistakes or lie because they don’t believe that there is actually a truth out there. It is not just a habit. It’s a policy to try to crowd factuality out of the public sphere. You lie all the time. You call the journalists the liars and then it’s in that confusion that you govern. Because if people don’t believe that there is truth, they think they’re sophisticated but in fact they’re completely impotent.

More at https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/how-putin-and-trump-have-eroded-
truth-and-rule-of-law-1.3275481

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Employees at other airlines have been emboldened by what the pilots at Southwest Airlines have done.

You should expect airlines at every major airport to have a bunch of bullshit excuses why they're cancelling flights.

Too bad for them that pilots are far less replaceable than retail employees.

They can't keep lying about this one in the media for long.

You're a fucking stooge, Second.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SECOND

Thursday, October 14, 2021 7:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Employees at other airlines have been emboldened by what the pilots at Southwest Airlines have done.

You should expect airlines at every major airport to have a bunch of bullshit excuses why they're cancelling flights.

Too bad for them that pilots are far less replaceable than retail employees.

They can't keep lying about this one in the media for long.

You're a fucking stooge, Second.

It is NOT the Covid-19 vaccination mandate, but rather Southwest scheduling too many flights. Last Sunday it attempted to operate its busiest schedule since March 2020. Instead, the system collapsed when many Southwest Airlines pilots hit their federally mandated duty limits.

Southwest Airlines' Flight Cancellation Problem Returns With a Vengeance
https://www.fool.com/investing/2021/10/13/southwest-airlines-flight-ca
ncellation-problem-ret/

This also happened to Southwest back in June, when the system collapsed for the same reason: too many flights and too many pilots hitting their federally mandated duty limits, which grounded the planes. Obviously, Southwest is failing to keep track of duty limits, but pilots keep track and tell their bosses that they will hit their limit in the middle of a 4 hour flight, therefore the pilot can't takeoff on that flight. If there aren't any spare pilots sitting in the airport lounge drinking Sprite or Pepsi, the flight is cancelled AND ALL OTHER FLIGHTS USING THAT SAME PLANE THAT DAY AND THE NEXT DAY BECAUSE THE PLANE IS NOT IN THE CITY IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ACCORDING TO SOUTHWEST'S SCHEDULE!

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, October 14, 2021 7:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It is NOT the Covid-19 vaccination mandate, but rather Southwest scheduling too many flights.

Nope. That's a lie.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SECOND

Thursday, October 14, 2021 7:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It is NOT the Covid-19 vaccination mandate, but rather Southwest scheduling too many flights.

Nope. That's a lie.

You are totally committed to your fake explanation. Here is another factoid about airlines: Unlike the Serenity spaceship, Southwest Airlines must have two pilots in the cockpit, not just one, when it flies. If one of the pilots will reach during flight the duty limit set by the FAA, the other pilot cannot take the plane into the air. If the plane is not in the air, all other flights using that same plane for the next 48 hours will be cancelled unless a spare pilot is found damn quick.

From the Orlando Sentinel:

Conservative politicians and pundits, including Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, alleged the flight disruptions resulted from pilots and air traffic controllers walking off their jobs or calling in sick to protest federal vaccination requirements.

The airline, its pilots’ union and the Federal Aviation Administration denied that.

“The weekend challenges were not a result of Southwest employee demonstrations,” Southwest spokesman Chris Mainz said Monday.
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/ct-aud-nw-southwest-a
irlines-cancelations-20211014-wfsckxuowvhsrpszecqyx3trlu-story.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, October 14, 2021 8:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
You are totally committed to your fake explanation.

We'll see dude. Time always proves me right.

Always.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SECOND

Thursday, October 14, 2021 4:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
You are totally committed to your fake explanation.

We'll see dude. Time always proves me right.

Always.

You and Trump always right. Trump said that campaigning in 2024 would be “a waste of time, quite frankly, because I have already won that election.” Asked how he could have won an election that is not scheduled to occur for another three years, he said, “People are saying that it already did happen. A lot of very smart people are calling me and saying that.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, October 14, 2021 7:07 PM

Nah. Trump's not always right.

But he's right about that one though.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SECOND

Thursday, October 14, 2021 7:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nah. Trump's not always right.

But he's right about that one though.

Trump said that, although he already won the 2024 election, “there was fraud and corruption like you wouldn’t believe.”

“The 2024 election was so stolen it makes the 2020 election look not stolen,” he said. “The fact that I won in 2024 even though it was stolen from me is amazing, and, quite frankly, fantastic.”

A reporter asked if he planned to run yet again in 2028. “I already won in 2028,” he said. “That’s a stupid question and you’re a disgrace.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, October 14, 2021 11:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nah. Trump's not always right.

But he's right about that one though.
Trump said that, although he already won the 2024 election, “there was fraud and corruption like you wouldn’t believe.”

“The 2024 election was so stolen it makes the 2020 election look not stolen,” he said. “The fact that I won in 2024 even though it was stolen from me is amazing, and, quite frankly, fantastic.”

Yeah. That's exactly right.

Democrats are going to have fucked the country up so bad in 3 more years that nobody would believe that Democrats won in 2024. They couldn't possibly cheat that much.

Quote:
A reporter asked if he planned to run yet again in 2028. “I already won in 2028,” he said. “That’s a stupid question and you’re a disgrace.”

Now he's just trolling you because you're stupid.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, October 15, 2021 5:41 AM

Quote:
"First, we have to do more to vaccinate 66 million unvaccinated people in America," he said. "It's essential."

Come and give it to me Joe*.

I'd be curious to see how that goes.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SECOND

Friday, October 15, 2021 7:16 AM

Newly Discovered Bat Viruses Give Hints to Covid’s Origins

Three of the Laos coronaviruses were unusual: They carried a molecular hook on their surface that was very similar to the hook on the virus that causes Covid-19, called SARS-CoV-2. Like SARS-CoV-2, their hook allowed them to latch onto human cells.

“It is even better than early strains of SARS-CoV-2,” said Marc Eloit, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris who led the study, referring to how well the hook on the Laos coronaviruses binds to human cells.

The findings have significant implications for the charged debate over Covid’s origins, experts say. Some people have speculated that SARS-CoV-2’s impressive ability to infect human cells could not have evolved through a natural spillover from an animal. But the new findings seem to suggest otherwise.

“That really puts to bed any notion that this virus had to have been concocted, or somehow manipulated in a lab, to be so good at infecting humans,” said Michael Worobey, a University of Arizona virologist who was not involved in the work.

“When a coronavirus that we have monitored for decades, that we think of as just something our pets can get, can make the jump (to humans) — we should have seen that coming, right?” Dr. Carlson said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/newly-discovered-bat-viruses-give
-hints-to-covid-s-origins/ar-AAPwqmZ

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, October 15, 2021 9:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Newly Discovered Bat Viruses Give Hints to Covid’s Origins

Three of the Laos coronaviruses were unusual: They carried a molecular hook on their surface that was very similar to the hook on the virus that causes Covid-19, called SARS-CoV-2. Like SARS-CoV-2, their hook allowed them to latch onto human cells.

“It is even better than early strains of SARS-CoV-2,” said Marc Eloit, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris who led the study, referring to how well the hook on the Laos coronaviruses binds to human cells.

The findings have significant implications for the charged debate over Covid’s origins, experts say. Some people have speculated that SARS-CoV-2’s impressive ability to infect human cells could not have evolved through a natural spillover from an animal. But the new findings seem to suggest otherwise.

“That really puts to bed any notion that this virus had to have been concocted, or somehow manipulated in a lab, to be so good at infecting humans,” said Michael Worobey, a University of Arizona virologist who was not involved in the work.

“When a coronavirus that we have monitored for decades, that we think of as just something our pets can get, can make the jump (to humans) — we should have seen that coming, right?” Dr. Carlson said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/newly-discovered-bat-viruses-give
-hints-to-covid-s-origins/ar-AAPwqmZ

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Shut the fuck up, shill.

Even John Stewart knows where the virus was grown.

Are you running defense for China now you little bitch?

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SIGNYM

Friday, October 15, 2021 5:51 PM

SIX, your shrillness and name-calling about Covid only highlights the fact that you have no facts on your side.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THG

Friday, October 15, 2021 6:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

We'll be fine.

721,766 Covid Deaths

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, October 15, 2021 8:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

We'll be fine.

721,766 Covid Deaths

Lie.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, October 15, 2021 8:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX, your shrillness and name-calling about Covid only highlights the fact that you have no facts on your side.

I always talk like this.

I have no patience for, no do I abide the ignorant and the liars.

Let's go Brandon!

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, October 15, 2021 8:22 PM

Biden has now more than Doubled the Corona Deaths under Trump

Top 5 Deaths
USA
741,898
Brazil
602,201
India
451,847
Mexico
283,574
Russia
221,313

This is where I get the info but there are other sites that also give data
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Per head some Eastern European countries seem to have the worst infection rates - Montenegro, Andorra, Gibraltar, Georgia, San Marino all rank high with cases.

Countries like Peru and Bosnia have some of the worst death compared to percentage with populations.

The USA still continues to have the highest 'Total Cases'

The USA also has the highest cured with 35 Million people Recovered.

SECOND

Friday, October 15, 2021 8:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I always talk like this.

I have no patience for, no do I abide the ignorant and the liars.

Let's go Brandon!

The COVID pandemic unleashed attacks on scientists

Dozens of researchers tell Nature they have received death threats, or threats of physical or sexual violence.

Infectious-diseases physician Krutika Kuppalli had been in her new job for barely a week in September 2020, when someone phoned her at home and threatened to kill her.

Kuppalli, who had just moved from California to the Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston, had been dealing with online abuse for months after she’d given high-profile media interviews on COVID-19, and had recently testified to a US congressional committee on how to hold safe elections during the pandemic. But the phone call was a scary escalation. “It made me very anxious, nervous and upset,” says Kuppalli, who now works at the World Health Organization (WHO) in Geneva, Switzerland.

She called the police, but didn’t hear that they took any action. The threatening e-mails, calls and online comments continued. The police officer who visited Kuppalli after a second death-threat call suggested she should get herself a gun.

Kuppalli’s experience during the pandemic is not uncommon. A survey by Nature of more than 300 scientists who have given media interviews about COVID-19 — many of whom had also commented about the pandemic on social media — has found wide experience of harassment or abuse; 15% said they had received death threats.

More at https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02741-x

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, October 15, 2021 8:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I always talk like this.

I have no patience for, no do I abide the ignorant and the liars.

Let's go Brandon!
The COVID pandemic unleashed attacks on scientists

Dozens of researchers tell Nature they have received death threats, or threats of physical or sexual violence.

Infectious-diseases physician Krutika Kuppalli had been in her new job for barely a week in September 2020, when someone phoned her at home and threatened to kill her.

Kuppalli, who had just moved from California to the Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston, had been dealing with online abuse for months after she’d given high-profile media interviews on COVID-19, and had recently testified to a US congressional committee on how to hold safe elections during the pandemic. But the phone call was a scary escalation. “It made me very anxious, nervous and upset,” says Kuppalli, who now works at the World Health Organization (WHO) in Geneva, Switzerland.

She called the police, but didn’t hear that they took any action. The threatening e-mails, calls and online comments continued. The police officer who visited Kuppalli after a second death-threat call suggested she should get herself a gun.

Kuppalli’s experience during the pandemic is not uncommon. A survey by Nature of more than 300 scientists who have given media interviews about COVID-19 — many of whom had also commented about the pandemic on social media — has found wide experience of harassment or abuse; 15% said they had received death threats.

More at https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02741-x

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Oh. They don't get police now.

They defunded them.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, October 15, 2021 8:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Biden has now more than Doubled the Corona Deaths under Trump

Top 5 Deaths
USA
741,898
Brazil
602,201
India
451,847
Mexico
283,574
Russia
221,313

This is where I get the info but there are other sites that also give data
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Per head some Eastern European countries seem to have the worst infection rates - Montenegro, Andorra, Gibraltar, Georgia, San Marino all rank high with cases.

Countries like Peru and Bosnia have some of the worst death compared to percentage with populations.

The USA still continues to have the highest 'Total Cases'

The USA also has the highest cured with 35 Million people Recovered.

They're all fake deaths, so this is one thing I wont' dogpile on Uncle Joey* for.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SECOND

Friday, October 15, 2021 9:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Oh. They don't get police now.

They defunded them.

I have seen this same movie before, where the police in a 1962 movie can do nothing. In real life 2021, the police still can do nothing until the scientist is killed. Only then can the police be "helpful". -- Cape Fear (1962 film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Fear_(1962_film)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, October 15, 2021 9:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Oh. They don't get police now.

They defunded them.
I have seen this same movie before, where the police in a 1962 movie can do nothing. In real life 2021, the police still can do nothing until the scientist is killed. Only then can the police be "helpful". -- Cape Fear (1962 film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Fear_(1962_film)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

You were lucky if the police weren't anything but glorified janitors mopping up after the fact before the wackjob Left and the Legacy Media hailed drug addict and street-doc-abortionist George Floyd as a hero.

Nobody in the world is crying for Leftist shills that can't get the cops to take them seriously after they spent 1.5 years trying to get them defunded.

Nobody.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SIGNYM

Friday, October 15, 2021 9:57 PM

Quote:
SIGNYM:
SIX, your shrillness and name-calling about Covid only highlights the fact that you have no facts on your side.

SIX: I always talk like this.
I have no patience for, no do I abide ~~the ignorant and the liars.~~

facts that counter my beliefs

Quote:
SIX: Let's go Brandon!

Who the fuck is "Brandon", and why should I care about him? It?

You may think you're communicating, but you're not.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, October 15, 2021 10:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:
SIX: Let's go Brandon!
Who the fuck is "Brandon", and why should I care about him? It?

You may think you're communicating, but you're not.

I almost missed this but...
It was a viral meme thing maybe 4chan culture, that went around twitter or some place, there is some Sporst Race or RaceCar NASCAR thing... the interviewer takes out the Mic to chat to the Winning Driver

but the Crowd Chant F--K JoeBiden !

really really loud

the interviewer tries to cover and says wow that's amazing they all shout Let's Go Brandon.

https://heavy.com/news/lets-go-brandon-meme/

Quote:
It Refers to Joe Biden NASCAR Chant

Sports tv didn't want to report reality or drop an f-bomb

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
They're all fake deaths, so this is one thing I wont' dogpile on Uncle Joey* for.

Covid-19: Brazil has 525 deaths in the last 24 hours; total exceeds 602 thousand
https://olhardigital.com.br/en/2021/10/14/coronavirus/covid-19-brasil-
tem-525-mortes-nas-ultimas-24-horas-total-ultrapassa-de-602-mil/

Coronavirus India Latest Update Live: Herd immunity against Delta variant difficult, reveals new study on Delhi outbreak
https://www.financialexpress.com/lifestyle/health/coronavirus-india-li
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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, October 16, 2021 12:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
SIGNYM:
SIX, your shrillness and name-calling about Covid only highlights the fact that you have no facts on your side.

SIX: I always talk like this.
I have no patience for, no do I abide ~~the ignorant and the liars.~~
facts that counter my beliefs

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SIX: Let's go Brandon!
Who the fuck is "Brandon", and why should I care about him? It?

You may think you're communicating, but you're not.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Brandon is your Legacy Media lying to you again, but this time brazenly doing it while facts are right there in front of your face.

Glad that we've got Jayneztown here to Google for you since your Googleing fingers are apparently broken this morning.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

SECOND

Saturday, October 16, 2021 2:49 AM

Navy Will Discharge Sailors Refusing COVID-19 Vaccination

As of Wednesday, 94 percent of active-duty sailors have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, with 99 percent having received the first dose, according to the Navy.

There have been a total of 83,648 COVID-19 cases within the Navy, including active-duty and civilians, according to the service. Of those cases, 164 resulted in deaths.

There have been more deaths due to COVID-19 than other health or mishap-related injuries and deaths over the same time period, according to NAVADMIN 225/21.

In 144 of the deaths, those who died were not vaccinated. Vaccination status is not known for the other 20.

https://news.usni.org/2021/10/14/new-navy-guidance-will-discharge-sail
ors-refusing-covid-19-vaccination-without-exemption

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Monday, October 18, 2021 7:18 PM

Virginia father of four expresses vaccine regret to his own mother before dying of COVID-19

Kevin Mitchem's wife, Misty, had reportedly succumbed to the virus earlier in the month; the couple were in their 40s, their kids between 1 and 11.

The unvaccinated Virginia couple died of COVID-19, leaving behind four children -- and the father with one tragic regret before he succumbed. "He called me up and said, 'Mom, I love you, and I wish that I'd got the shot,'" said Terry Mitchem, the mother of Kevin Mitchem, to NBC 4 in Washington, D.C

"Please get it," Kevin's father, Don Mitchem, told the station. "That virus will take you at any age. But taking a mother and father is -- it's uncalled for," Don Mitchem said.

https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/20211018198/virginia-fath
er-of-four-expresses-vaccine-regret-to-his-own-mother-before-dying-of-covid-19

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, October 18, 2021 8:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Virginia father of four expresses vaccine regret to his own mother before dying of COVID-19

Kevin Mitchem's wife, Misty, had reportedly succumbed to the virus earlier in the month; the couple were in their 40s, their kids between 1 and 11.

The unvaccinated Virginia couple died of COVID-19, leaving behind four children -- and the father with one tragic regret before he succumbed. "He called me up and said, 'Mom, I love you, and I wish that I'd got the shot,'" said Terry Mitchem, the mother of Kevin Mitchem, to NBC 4 in Washington, D.C

"Please get it," Kevin's father, Don Mitchem, told the station. "That virus will take you at any age. But taking a mother and father is -- it's uncalled for," Don Mitchem said.

https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/20211018198/virginia-fath
er-of-four-expresses-vaccine-regret-to-his-own-mother-before-dying-of-covid-19

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

First of all, fake news.

Second of all, more porn for Second to celebrate.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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