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Another Putin Disaster

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SIGNYM

Thursday, January 6, 2022 11:42 PM

Yanno, for someone who gets all outraged at the thought to Russia "interfering" in our internal affairs (by placing a few thousand dollars-worth of ads on FB) you see to have NO PROBLEM with the USA overturning other nations' governments.

I mean, handing out cookies at the Maidan and picking the next government of Ukraine... what would you call THAT?

Say, you wouldn't be a hyocrite, would you??

Nah ....

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THG

Friday, January 7, 2022 1:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Yanno, for someone who gets all outraged at the thought to Russia "interfering" in our internal affairs (by placing a few thousand dollars-worth of ads on FB) you see to have NO PROBLEM with the USA overturning other nations' governments.

I mean, handing out cookies at the Maidan and picking the next government of Ukraine... what would you call THAT?

Say, you wouldn't be a hyocrite, would you??

Nah ....

Dozens ‘Liquidated’ as Russia Sends Troops to Kazakhstan and Blames ‘Outside’ Forces for the Chaos

Dozens of demonstrators have been reported dead in Kazakhstan as protests turned to bloodshed Thursday and Russia sent in paratroopers in a dangerous bid to crush the uprising.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/dozens-liquidated-as-russia-sends
-troops-to-kazakhstan-and-blames-outside-forces-for-the-chaos/ar-AASuNRY?ocid=msedgntp

SIGNYM

Friday, January 7, 2022 2:38 AM

These were not "demonstrators", THUGR. Stop responding to spin.

It's not like these were innocent protesters who got rounded up, taken to an empty field and made to dig their own graves.
They were firing on/attacking police stations. If you're shooting at a police station, you should expect to be shot back.

You don't rack up dozens of dead security forces ... ONE BEHEADED... and hundreds wounded because of "peaceful protests".

The rules of engagement are clear:
"Those who don't lay down their weapons will be killed"

Sounds fair to me.

If there were people attacking Capitol Hill with weapons, I'm sure you'd have NO PROBLEM calling out the troops and ordering them to fire!

Hell, look how you shit bricks when a bunch of unarmed protestors - one painted guy with a horned helmet even!- trespassed illegally! You were all ready to declare them "coup plotters" and have them shot by firing squad!

Jeezus, you're stupid. And gullible. And a bully. With no moral compass whatsoever.

Just stop posting, willya? I mean, I know you get off being a bully. You've made that abundantly clear. But the more you post, the more you embarrass yourself.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Friday, January 7, 2022 3:14 AM

Okay THUGR, here's a helpful hint to so don't make an moral asshole of yourself so often:

The rules that you apply to others, try to apply them to yourself/USA.

Here are a few recent examples:

You don't think other nations should interfere in USA internal matters. Therefore, USA shouldn't interfere in other nations' internal matters.

You think that the USA government should be able to defend itself against violent overthrow. Therefore, other governments should be able to defend themselves against violent overthrow.

There is an old saying: what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Same rules apply. It's simple, see?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Friday, January 7, 2022 4:24 AM

how demonstrators were treated in Kazakhstan

Quote:
The hardened-steel baton made the most disturbing sound as it bounced off the woman's skull.

It varied between a hollow click and a deeper snap, depending on where on her head the metal weapon made contact.

“Please don’t beat her!” a man in the crowd yelled.

... “Stand up” intoned a police officer in riot gear.

After repeatedly striking her in the head, the officer in white holstered his baton. Then he made a fist with his bare left hand and punched her in the face.

“Oh, no-no-no! Please! Please don’t beat her!” someone shouted, to no effect.

After three full-force knuckle shots to her head, the officer in white paused. Then he went in for two more blows. He grabbed the hair at the back of her head and pulled it hard.

Kinda makes your blood boil, doesn't it? More about this later.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Friday, January 7, 2022 12:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
how demonstrators were treated in Kazakhstan

Quote:
The hardened-steel baton made the most disturbing sound as it bounced off the woman's skull.

It varied between a hollow click and a deeper snap, depending on where on her head the metal weapon made contact.

“Please don’t beat her!” a man in the crowd yelled.

... “Stand up” intoned a police officer in riot gear.

After repeatedly striking her in the head, the officer in white holstered his baton. Then he made a fist with his bare left hand and punched her in the face.

“Oh, no-no-no! Please! Please don’t beat her!” someone shouted, to no effect.

After three full-force knuckle shots to her head, the officer in white paused. Then he went in for two more blows. He grabbed the hair at the back of her head and pulled it hard.

Kinda makes your blood boil, doesn't it? More about this later.

Well, about this incident; I happened on Jan 6 IN WASHINGTON DC.

An officer repeatedly beat and punched a 5'4" unarmed woman for no reason that I could tell. And then the DOJ refused to release 3 hours of video which would have bolstered her lawsuit, until they were order released by a Federal judge.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/january-6-a-legacy-of-troubling-questions_
4194595.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=ZeroHedge

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

1KIKI

Friday, January 7, 2022 12:43 PM

Shit.

THG

Sunday, January 9, 2022 11:05 PM

As Kazakhstan models China's brutality, will China model its protests?

On Friday, Kazakhstan President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev ordered security forces to "kill without warning," a desperate bid to end violent protests that have claimed more than three dozen lives and resulted in more than 3,000 detentions.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/as-kazakhstan-models-china-s-brut
ality-will-china-model-its-protests/ar-AASAMEp?ocid=msedgntp

I love the way comrades’ Kiki and Signym post as though they are arguing with me. It's what’s being reported on that I’m posting. It's not me voicing my opinion.

T

SIGNYM

Monday, January 10, 2022 12:13 AM

I argue with you bc you repeatn lies. You repeat sources that have lied to you, they KEEP ON lying to you, and you keep believing them even when the lies are pointed out to you.

Case in point: when you have armed groups with modern weapons, walkie talkies, and vahicles storming airports, government buildings, and media centers, raiding armories and attacking police stations, THESE ARE NOT DEMONSTRATORS OR PROTESTORS, THEY ARE ARMED INSURRECTIONISTS.

THE FACT THAT THE M$M KEEPS CALLING THEM PROTESTORS AND DEMONSTRATORS - AND THAT YOU KEEP REPEATING IT- MAKES AS LITTLE SENSE AS CALLING UNARMED, UNORGANIZED PROTESTORS/ RIOTERS "COUP PLOTTERS".

You must be exceptionally, abysmally stupid bc you STILL haven't learned that you're being lied to, and you keep swallowing, and regurgitating, shit w/o a moment's hesitation.

When you pull your head out of your ass and show a glimmer of intelligence, I'll stop pointing out your egregious stupidity.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THG

Monday, January 10, 2022 12:39 AM

I'm sure you won't like this either comrade signym.

T

The F-35 Stealth Fighter is now the World’s Best Stealth Fighter. Its detection range, geolocation, threat identification, and system response capabilities allow the jet to precisely fix and destroy the most advanced threats in the world including every layer of Russia’s latest surface-to-air missile system.

SIGNYM

Monday, January 10, 2022 12:48 AM

F-35, taken out of service bc of failure to lower landing gear requires emergency belly-flop landing.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2022/01/05/south-korea-air-for
ce-pilot-emergency-landing-F-35-gear-up-Lockheed-Martin/4511641398691/

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THG

Monday, January 10, 2022 12:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
F-35, taken out of service bc of failure to lower landing gear requires emergency belly-flop landing.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2022/01/05/south-korea-air-for
ce-pilot-emergency-landing-F-35-gear-up-Lockheed-Martin/4511641398691/

Yep, shit happens...

T

THG

Monday, January 10, 2022 12:59 AM

T

Blinken warns Russia of 'massive consequences' over Ukraine aggression

THG

Monday, January 10, 2022 1:04 AM

Poor Putty...

T

1KIKI

Monday, January 10, 2022 1:17 AM

RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!! ...

because

... KAZAKHSTAN!!!

I know I saw it on a map somewhere. Maybe next to Canada? Or Mexico? Somewhere important!

(THUGGER is softening us up to support a 2-front war. )

SIGNYM

Monday, January 10, 2022 2:05 AM

A LOT of shit happens with the F-35. The anti-radar coating can't get wet. Which is why an F-35 recently crashed in England- someone forgot to remove the tarp before takeoff, and it got sucked into an engine.

Every hour of flying time requires 10 hours of maintenance.

It takes HOURS to download the latest avionics and terrain data from satellite.

The jet is limited to 40-50 seconds of Mach 1.3 flight (version depending) bc high speeds damage the stealth skin and rear antenna.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a32701605/f-35-supe
rsonic-flight-speed-limit/

On top of which, bc the stealth profile depends on armaments being carried in the belly of the plane, with the bomb bay doors closed, the plane suffers from overheated fuel and avionics, requiring refrigerated fuel trucks on the ground.

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/37314/has-the-f-35-lightn
ing-ii-overheating-problem-been-resolved

The idea originally was the create a multi-role stealth jet with 85% overlap of parts between versions but the requirements between versions are so different (loiter time, speed, armor, etc) that it has evolved into a finicky overly complicated boondoggle that requires far too much ground support to be practical in combat situations.

But SOMEBODY made a lot of money on it!

Any competent designer knows that you can't make a do-everythimg jet. Ground support requires a slow speed, heavily armored plane that can loiter for long periods of time. A fighter requires speed and agility. Bombers carry high payloads. Carrier aircraft and invasion force need short, or VERY short runways. I don't see how there could be a single design that can accomplish all of these.

Over-promised, under-delivered. Our military needs to get it's head out of its ass and start ordering weapons systems that are more thought out: What is the mission, offensive or defensive? What countermeasures will be encountered? What do we need?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, January 10, 2022 4:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

THUGGER is softening us up to support a 2-front war.

Meanwhile, while Democrats run everything mind you, Second is trying to drum up a Civil War on our shores.

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1KIKI

Monday, January 10, 2022 6:35 AM

As I think about it, Kazakhstan has all the appearance of a ginned-up phony 'color revolution' specifically manufactured post-haste to explain why the US can't POSSIBLY talk with RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!

But it makes me speculate on a potential strategy, to wit -

China is a weak target for US military action, because it still holds a lot of US denominated financials and it still depends on manufacturing for the US market. China would not be eager to lose either the value of its holdings or of its market. In other words, there are still other significant tools to be used against China.

Russia otoh has a hardened economy (and also an ascendant military). So picking a full-on military fight with Russia wouldn't be advisable - unless you're of course a neo-con who believes nuclear war is winnable. But picking proxy-wars with Russia might be the way to go!

And, if the US makes-nice(er) with China while picking a fight with Russia, it would also test the Russia-China partnership. China I think would be very unlikely to go to bat against the US in terms of either military participation or economic isolation, due to its economic vulnerability versus the US.

If that theory is correct, expect the US media to stand-down on China and how awful it's been treating the Uyghurs, Hong Kong, Taiwan ... manufactured pointless concern of the day ...

THG

Monday, January 10, 2022 10:38 PM

You keep talking bullshit comrade signym. It's what you do best.

T

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A LOT of shit happens with the F-35. The anti-radar coating can't get wet. Which is why an F-35 recently crashed in England- someone forgot to remove the tarp before takeoff, and it got sucked into an engine.

Every hour of flying time requires 10 hours of maintenance.

It takes HOURS to download the latest avionics and terrain data from satellite.

The jet is limited to 40-50 seconds of Mach 1.3 flight (version depending) bc high speeds damage the stealth skin and rear antenna.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a32701605/f-35-supe
rsonic-flight-speed-limit/

On top of which, bc the stealth profile depends on armaments being carried in the belly of the plane, with the bomb bay doors closed, the plane suffers from overheated fuel and avionics, requiring refrigerated fuel trucks on the ground.

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/37314/has-the-f-35-lightn
ing-ii-overheating-problem-been-resolved

The idea originally was the create a multi-role stealth jet with 85% overlap of parts between versions but the requirements between versions are so different (loiter time, speed, armor, etc) that it has evolved into a finicky overly complicated boondoggle that requires far too much ground support to be practical in combat situations.

But SOMEBODY made a lot of money on it!

Any competent designer knows that you can't make a do-everythimg jet. Ground support requires a slow speed, heavily armored plane that can loiter for long periods of time. A fighter requires speed and agility. Bombers carry high payloads. Carrier aircraft and invasion force need short, or VERY short runways. I don't see how there could be a single design that can accomplish all of these.

Over-promised, under-delivered. Our military needs to get it's head out of its ass and start ordering weapons systems that are more thought out: What is the mission, offensive or defensive? What countermeasures will be encountered? What do we need?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THG

Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:45 AM

Here you go comrade.

T

The Man Putin Fears The Most

SIGNYM

Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:48 AM

Why are you so obsessed with what's happening in RUSSIA, comrade?
Aren't you more concerned about us?

And why do you keep posting bullshit, anyway? Haven't you figured out by now it's 90pct disinfo?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THG

Saturday, January 15, 2022 4:19 PM

NATO will not allow Russia to blackmail the alliance, Germany says

BERLIN, Jan 14 (Reuters) - NATO will not allow Moscow to blackmail the alliance and will not accept a Russian veto against an enlargement, German Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht said on Friday.

"Russia does not have a veto in issues concerning the alliance and cannot blackmail us. These red lines must be clear in all pending talks," she told parliament.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nato-will-not-allow-russia-to-bla
ckmail-the-alliance-germany-says/ar-AASMaHR?ocid=msedgntp

THG

Saturday, January 15, 2022 4:32 PM

US intelligence says Russia has prepared a false-flag operation to invade Ukraine

"We do have information that indicates that Russia is already working actively to create a pretext for a potential invasion, for a move on Ukraine," Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby told reporters on Friday.

"The Russian military plans to begin these activities several weeks before a military invasion, which could begin between mid-January and mid-February," the official said. "We saw this playbook in 2014 with Crimea."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-intelligence-says-russia-has-p
repared-a-false-flag-operation-to-invade-ukraine/ar-AASN2yc?ocid=msedgntp

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, January 15, 2022 8:14 PM

Why are you cheerleading a war with Russia, boy?

Do you have stock in CNN or something?

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THG

Saturday, January 15, 2022 11:53 PM

No way this ends good for putie.

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, January 16, 2022 12:26 AM

Teddy boy can't wait for war.

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THG

Sunday, January 16, 2022 1:27 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, January 16, 2022 8:19 AM

Classic NeoCon Ted.

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THG

Sunday, January 16, 2022 4:33 PM

Why Ukraine’s Turkish-made drone became a flash point in tensions with Russia

The strike on Oct. 26 — from a Bayraktar TB2 drone made by NATO-member Turkey — represented more than another clash in nearly eight years of fighting in eastern Ukraine.

For Russia, it was another signal that Ukraine is boosting its arsenal to potentially change the military balance in the region — and why Moscow is demanding NATO end all defense cooperation with Ukraine and other former Soviet republics such as Georgia. The United States and its NATO allies say that Russia can never dictate its policies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/15/ukraine-russia-drones-
turkey/

80% of Ukrainians did not want to join NATO until Putin invaded their country. He created a NATO want to be and now he is realizing his blunder. Russia’s problem will not end until they leave Crimea. It’s a problem that won’t go away.

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, January 16, 2022 8:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Why Ukraine’s Turkish-made drone became a flash point in tensions with Russia

The strike on Oct. 26 — from a Bayraktar TB2 drone made by NATO-member Turkey — represented more than another clash in nearly eight years of fighting in eastern Ukraine.

For Russia, it was another signal that Ukraine is boosting its arsenal to potentially change the military balance in the region — and why Moscow is demanding NATO end all defense cooperation with Ukraine and other former Soviet republics such as Georgia. The United States and its NATO allies say that Russia can never dictate its policies.

http://fireflyfans.net/mreply.aspx?mid=1148664

Ted's source?

The reply button for this thread.

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THG

Sunday, January 16, 2022 10:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Why are you so obsessed with what's happening in RUSSIA, comrade?
Aren't you more concerned about us?

And why do you keep posting bullshit, anyway? Haven't you figured out by now it's 90pct disinfo?

Romney: Putin can’t be allowed to rebuild the Soviet Union

Sen. Mitt Romney said Sunday that it is up to the United States and other Western nations to prevent Russian President Vladimir Putin from recreating the Soviet Union in some form.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/romney-putin-can-t-be-allowed-to-
rebuild-the-soviet-union/ar-AASQ5Em?ocid=msedgntp

Because you and kiki keep posting Putins’ propaganda, I post what the worlds’ free press has to say. Big difference between the two; aye comrade.

And, all you’ve succeeded in doing is help create this thread that makes Putin look like the asshole he is. A thread that has been viewed around 32 thousand times. Yep, viewed again and again and again comrade.

Too funny...

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, January 17, 2022 2:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Why Ukraine’s Turkish-made drone became a flash point in tensions with Russia

The strike on Oct. 26 — from a Bayraktar TB2 drone made by NATO-member Turkey — represented more than another clash in nearly eight years of fighting in eastern Ukraine.

For Russia, it was another signal that Ukraine is boosting its arsenal to potentially change the military balance in the region — and why Moscow is demanding NATO end all defense cooperation with Ukraine and other former Soviet republics such as Georgia. The United States and its NATO allies say that Russia can never dictate its policies.

http://fireflyfans.net/mreply.aspx?mid=1148664

80% of Ukrainians did not want to join NATO until Putin invaded their country. He created a NATO want to be and now he is realizing his blunder. Russia’s problem will not end until they leave Crimea. It’s a problem that won’t go away.

T

Ted's source?

The reply button for this thread.

Oh good. You fixed it.

Let me know any time you need help, Ted. I'm always thrilled to help the mentally handicapped.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, January 18, 2022 5:09 PM

Quote:
US Scrambles For 'Contingency Plans' From Energy Firms On Gas Supply Crunch Amid Russia-Ukraine Crisis

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/us-scrambles-input-energy-firms-europ
e-gas-supply-amid-russia-ukraine-standoff

WHAT "crisis"?
There is no crisis.
It's all made up by the the USA.

Russia is not going to "invade" unnless the USA places large offensive weapons in Ukraine. All the USA has to do to avoid a "crisis" is ... NOTHING.

Yep, that's it- do nothing!

Such bullshit.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Tuesday, January 18, 2022 5:14 PM

I see THUGR really is jonesing for war.

Be careful what you wish for, THUGR.
You won't like what you get.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Tuesday, January 18, 2022 5:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
You keep talking bullshit comrade signym. It's what you do best.

T

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A LOT of shit happens with the F-35. The anti-radar coating can't get wet. Which is why an F-35 recently crashed in England- someone forgot to remove the tarp before takeoff, and it got sucked into an engine.

Every hour of flying time requires 10 hours of maintenance.

It takes HOURS to download the latest avionics and terrain data from satellite.

The jet is limited to 40-50 seconds of Mach 1.3 flight (version depending) bc high speeds damage the stealth skin and rear antenna.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a32701605/f-35-supe
rsonic-flight-speed-limit/

On top of which, bc the stealth profile depends on armaments being carried in the belly of the plane, with the bomb bay doors closed, the plane suffers from overheated fuel and avionics, requiring refrigerated fuel trucks on the ground.

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/37314/has-the-f-35-lightn
ing-ii-overheating-problem-been-resolved

The idea originally was the create a multi-role stealth jet with 85% overlap of parts between versions but the requirements between versions are so different (loiter time, speed, armor, etc) that it has evolved into a finicky overly complicated boondoggle that requires far too much ground support to be practical in combat situations.

But SOMEBODY made a lot of money on it!

Any competent designer knows that you can't make a do-everythimg jet. Ground support requires a slow speed, heavily armored plane that can loiter for long periods of time. A fighter requires speed and agility. Bombers carry high payloads. Carrier aircraft and invasion force need short, or VERY short runways. I don't see how there could be a single design that can accomplish all of these.

Over-promised, under-delivered. Our military needs to get it's head out of its ass and start ordering weapons systems that are more thought out: What is the mission, offensive or defensive? What countermeasures will be encountered? What do we need?

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

OOOOOHHH! The F-35 has LONG RANGE SENSORS!

WOW! Wooda thunk???

/snicker!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THG

Tuesday, January 18, 2022 7:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
US Scrambles For 'Contingency Plans' From Energy Firms On Gas Supply Crunch Amid Russia-Ukraine Crisis

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/us-scrambles-input-energy-firms-europ
e-gas-supply-amid-russia-ukraine-standoff

WHAT "crisis"?
There is no crisis.
It's all made up by the the USA.

Russia is not going to "invade" unnless the USA places large offensive weapons in Ukraine. All the USA has to do to avoid a "crisis" is ... NOTHING.

Yep, that's it- do nothing!

Such bullshit.

UK planes took a long detour around Germany to deliver weapons to Ukraine in case Russia invades

The UK sent Ukraine anti-tank weapons on Monday for use in self-defense in case Russia invades.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uk-planes-took-a-long-detour-arou
nd-germany-to-deliver-weapons-to-ukraine-in-case-russia-invades/ar-AASTGyr?ocid=msedgntp

THG

Tuesday, January 18, 2022 7:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I see THUGR really is jonesing for war.

Be careful what you wish for, THUGR.
You won't like what you get.

Russia Thins Out Its Embassy in Ukraine, a Possible Clue to Putin’s Next Move

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-thins-out-its-embassy-in-u
kraine-a-possible-clue-to-putin-s-next-move/ar-AASSmCE?ocid=msedgntp

THG

Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:01 PM

Russia moves more troops westward amid Ukraine tensions

MOSCOW (AP) — Russia is sending troops from the country’s far east to Belarus for major war games, officials said Tuesday, a deployment that will further beef up Russian military assets near Ukraine amid Western fears of a planned invasion.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-moves-more-troops-westward
-amid-ukraine-tensions/ar-AASTKEU?ocid=msedgntp

SECOND

Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:03 PM

The United Kingdom has supplied Ukraine with anti-tank weapons and Canada sent special forces to help Kyiv avert a possible attack from Russia, which denied claims that it is looking for a pretext to invade the neighboring state and rejected that it started the evacuation of embassy staff ahead of a full military invasion.

Canada, which has the world's third-largest Ukrainian population after Ukraine and Russia, has maintained a 200-strong training mission in western Ukraine since 2015. On Sunday, it urged Canadians to avoid nonessential travel to Ukraine, in a new advisory citing "Russian aggression."

More at https://www.dailysabah.com/world/europe/uk-gives-ukraine-anti-tank-wea
pons-as-canada-sends-special-forces

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

THG

Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The United Kingdom has supplied Ukraine with anti-tank weapons and Canada sent special forces to help Kyiv avert a possible attack from Russia, which denied claims that it is looking for a pretext to invade the neighboring state and rejected that it started the evacuation of embassy staff ahead of a full military invasion.

Canada, which has the world's third-largest Ukrainian population after Ukraine and Russia, has maintained a 200-strong training mission in western Ukraine since 2015. On Sunday, it urged Canadians to avoid nonessential travel to Ukraine, in a new advisory citing "Russian aggression."

More at https://www.dailysabah.com/world/europe/uk-gives-ukraine-anti-tank-wea
pons-as-canada-sends-special-forces

SIGNYM

Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:11 PM

Britain is jonesing for war, too, even worse than the Biden* administration. At some point, all of this jonesing and "preparation" by the west will become a self fulfilling prophecy.

Don't forget, it's NATO that expanded eastward, (breaking promises by the west), not Russia expanding westward, that caused this line of contact.

"whether it's Ukraine in NATO, or NATO in Ukraine, it's a red line".

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SECOND

Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Don't forget, it's NATO that expanded eastward, (breaking promises by the west), not Russia expanding westward, that caused this line of contact.

"whether it's Ukraine in NATO, or NATO in Ukraine, it's a red line".

Russia has land borders with 14 countries. Five of them are NATO members. Suddenly it's a red line at six, Signym? Five is okay, six is too many?

NATO Allies welcome Ukraine’s aspirations to join NATO and they stand by the decision made at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine will become a member of the Alliance.

Decisions regarding NATO membership are up to each individual applicant and the 30 NATO Allies. Russia has no right to intervene and cannot veto such a process.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/115204.htm

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Don't forget, it's NATO that expanded eastward, (breaking promises by the west), not Russia expanding westward, that caused this line of contact.

There is also a lie buried in that sentence. This is the lie: (breaking promises by the west)

Very clever of Signym to bury the lie. That little five word long lie is of great importance, believe it or not. Signym knows that.

False Claim by Russians: NATO promised Russia it would not expand after the Cold War

Fact: NATO Allies take decisions by consensus and these are recorded. There is no record of any such decision taken by NATO. Personal assurances from individual leaders cannot replace Alliance consensus and do not constitute formal NATO agreement.

In addition, at the time of the alleged promise, the Warsaw Pact still existed. Its members did not agree on its dissolution until 1991. The idea of their accession to NATO was not on the agenda in 1989. This was confirmed by Mikhail Gorbachev himself in an interview with Russia Beyond the Headlines:

"The topic of 'NATO expansion' was not discussed at all, and it wasn't brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a single Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn't bring it up, either."

Declassified White House transcripts also reveal that, in 1997, Bill Clinton consistently refused Boris Yeltsin's offer of a 'gentlemen's agreement' that no former Soviet Republics would enter NATO: "I can't make commitments on behalf of NATO, and I'm not going to be in the position myself of vetoing NATO expansion with respect to any country, much less letting you or anyone else do so…NATO operates by consensus."

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_111767.htm#Myths

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Wednesday, January 19, 2022 12:20 AM

There is, as always, a lie buried in your post, SECOND. Did I post THAT NATO promised? NO I DID NOT.

I said "the west". The west promised, when negotiating the re-unification of Germany, "not one inch eastward". That was part of the agreement, whether signed or not. Notes were taken, it was written.

And since NATO has expanded eastward to the point of touching Russia's border, they claim Russia is threatening them when it's the other way around.

For Russia, having missiles in Poland is like us having missiles in Cuba. It's a huge security threat. Ignoring or lying about or spinning it it doesn't make it go away for them. Or for us.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SECOND

Wednesday, January 19, 2022 5:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There is, as always, a lie buried in your post, SECOND. Did I post THAT NATO promised? NO I DID NOT.

I said "the west". The west promised, when negotiating the re-unification of Germany, "not one inch eastward". That was part of the agreement, whether signed or not. Notes were taken, it was written.

And since NATO has expanded eastward to the point of touching Russia's border, they claim Russia is threatening them when it's the other way around.

For Russia, having missiles in Poland is like us having missiles in Cuba. It's a huge security threat. Ignoring or lying about or spinning it it doesn't make it go away for them. Or for us.

Every house in my neighborhood has guns because this is Baytown Texas, but I don't invade their houses to take away their guns. If I did, I would be shot dead. Similarly, if Putin invades Ukraine, he deserves to be shot dead. I know perfectly well that it won't be Putin riding into Ukraine so the likelihood of him being immediately shot dead is approximately zero, which is why Putin is acting as he is. Because the ultimate decision makers are NOT at any risk of immediate death for making stupid decisions is why the world never has run worth a goddamn.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Wednesday, January 19, 2022 8:33 AM

So JFK should have let Soviet missiles stay in Cuba.

Got it. (I always knew you hated America.)

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SECOND

Wednesday, January 19, 2022 5:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So JFK should have let Soviet missiles stay in Cuba.

Got it. (I always knew you hated America.)

The short story of the Cuban Missile Crisis is that Kennedy put missiles into Turkey. And so Khrushchev put missiles into Cuba. And so General Curtis LeMay wanted to nuke Cuba. If LeMay and the Joint Chiefs of Staff had not been mentally unstable, as the Vietnam War would repeatedly demonstrate how emotionally unsound these men were, Kennedy could have quietly removed the missiles from Turkey without a crisis and Khrushchev would have done the same in Cuba. But here is how it actually went:

The Joint Chiefs of Staff unanimously agreed that a full-scale attack and invasion was the only solution. They believed that the Soviets would not attempt to stop the US from conquering Cuba.

Kennedy was skeptical: "They, no more than we, can let these things go by without doing something. They can't, after all their statements, permit us to take out their missiles, kill a lot of Russians, and then do nothing. If they don't take action in Cuba, they certainly will in Berlin."[54]

Kennedy concluded that attacking Cuba by air would signal the Soviets to presume "a clear line" to conquer Berlin. Kennedy also believed that US allies would think of the country as "trigger-happy cowboys" who lost Berlin because they could not peacefully resolve the Cuban situation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis#Responses_considere
d

If Putin has the equivalent of Kennedy's Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Cuban Missile Crisis and Putin lacks good sense and Putin doesn't restrain his Generals, then there will be an invasion of Ukraine.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

THG

Wednesday, January 19, 2022 9:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Britain is jonesing for war, too, even worse than the Biden* administration. At some point, all of this jonesing and "preparation" by the west will become a self fulfilling prophecy.

Don't forget, it's NATO that expanded eastward, (breaking promises by the west), not Russia expanding westward, that caused this line of contact.

"whether it's Ukraine in NATO, or NATO in Ukraine, it's a red line".

NATO isn’t on the move. Putins’ neighbors are. They’ve had enough of Russian rule. And as I’ve recently said; 80% of Ukrainians didn’t want to join NATO until Putin invaded. This is his mess.

Now when asked, 58% of Ukrainians would prefer to join the EU with 21% wanting to join NATO. That's 79% wanting nothing to do with Russia. How many of those left just want Russia to leave them alone?

Let me ask you comrade signym. How about Putin lets them choose.

T

SIGNYM

Wednesday, January 19, 2022 10:34 PM

Quote:
SIGNYM:
Britain is jonesing for war, too, even worse than the Biden* administration. At some point, all of this jonesing and "preparation" by the west will become a self fulfilling prophecy.

Don't forget, it's NATO that expanded eastward, (breaking promises by the west), not Russia expanding westward, that caused this line of contact.

"whether it's Ukraine in NATO, or NATO in Ukraine, it's a red line".

THUGR: NATO isn’t on the move. Putins’ neighbors are.

This is the dumb-guy quote of the month.

All of the coups and manufactured "color revolutions" were just spontaneous outpourings? Had nothing to do with the $5 BILLION that the USA spent in Ukraine pre-2014, and the constant flow of disinformation from our collective NGOs, and the security forces that we bribed, and the mercs that we hired? (Speaking of meddling in other nations' internal affairs.)

Nah...

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SECOND

Wednesday, January 19, 2022 11:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

All of the coups and manufactured "color revolutions" were just spontaneous outpourings? Had nothing to do with the $5 BILLION that the USA spent in Ukraine pre-2014, and the constant flow of disinformation from our collective NGOs, and the security forces that we bribed, and the mercs that we hired? (Speaking of meddling in other nations' internal affairs.)

Nah...

If you're making extraordinary claims, you need proof, but not from sources that are Putin's people or repeating what Putin's people wrote for them. This is exactly the same as Signym's claim that the "West" (who is this "West"? ) promised that NATO would not expand. NATO didn't give such a promise to Russia. Neither did the "West". The promise only exists as propaganda written by Putin's people.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Wednesday, January 19, 2022 11:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

All of the coups and manufactured "color revolutions" were just spontaneous outpourings? Had nothing to do with the $5 BILLION that the USA spent in Ukraine pre-2014, and the constant flow of disinformation from our collective NGOs, and the security forces that we bribed, and the mercs that we hired? (Speaking of meddling in other nations' internal affairs.)

Nah...
If you're making extraordinary claims, you need proof, but not from sources that are Putin's people or repeating what Putin's people wrote for them. This is exactly the same as Signym's claim that the "West" (who is this "West"? ) promised that NATO would not expand. NATO didn't give such a promise to Russia. Neither did the "West". The promise only exists as propaganda written by Putin's people.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

You spew bullshit in every post with No EVIDENCE whatsoever, and YOU demand "proof"?

That's rich, coming from a liar like you!

I posted a video of Nuland herself bragging about the $5 billion the USA spent on Ukraine per-2014.
And of course, a video of Nuland and Pyatt hand-selecting Ukraine's new (unelected) government (That's where "fuck the EU" comes from)
Pictures of John McCain associating with know Nazis.
Videos of the Nazi/fascist extremist wing of the Maidan burning buildings ... and the people in them burning alive...
a video of Biden bragging how he got the Chief Procurator fired by threatening to withhold aid, so that Burisma wouldn't be investigated
And of course, Hunter's infamous laptop, which was hushed up pre-election
IMF's threat to Kiev: fight for eastern Ukraine, or die

Shit, I've posted SO MUCH incontrovertible first-hand evidence, there is NO REASON for any of you to be this stupid, or this mendacious!
But you're extremely good at erasing facts from your brain, aren't you, "goldfish memory"?

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

1KIKI

Wednesday, January 19, 2022 11:52 PM

The US and European countries are CLEARLY in violation of treaties they signed. Here a just a few examples of many violations, violations to which Russia is RESPONDING, NOT INITIATING. If you bothered to read ... you CAN read, can't you? ... you'd know all this.

They remain convinced that security is indivisible and that the security of each of them is inseparably linked to the security of all others. They will not strengthen their security at the expense of the security of other States. They will pursue their own security interests in conformity with the common effort to strengthen security and stability in the CSCE area and beyond.

... the Forum for Security Co-operation adopted a document on principles governing non-proliferation in the field of nuclear weapons, chemical and biological weapons, and the transfer of missiles capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction, and their components and technology.

Reaffirming their respect for each other's sovereign equality and individuality as well as the rights inherent in and encompassed by its sovereignty, the participating States will base their mutual security relations upon a co-operative approach. They emphasize in this regard the key role of the CSCE. They will continue to develop complementary and mutually reinforcing institutions that include European and transatlantic organizations, multilateral and bilateral undertakings and various forms of regional and subregional co-operation. The participating States will co-operate in ensuring that all such security arrangements are in harmony with CSCE principles and commitments under this Code.

NOTE: this is an OSCE document, not Russian.

SECOND

Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You spew bullshit in every post with No EVIDENCE whatsoever, and YOU demand "proof"?

That's rich, coming from a liar like you!

#1 I posted a video of Nuland herself bragging about the $5 billion the USA spent on Ukraine per-2014.
#2 And of course, a video of Nuland and Pyatt hand-selecting Ukraine's new (unelected) government (That's where "fuck the EU" comes from)
#3 Pictures of John McCain associating with know Nazis.
#4 Videos of the Nazi/fascist extremist wing of the Maidan burning buildings ... and the people in them burning alive...
#5 a video of Biden bragging how he got the Chief Procurator fired by threatening to withhold aid, so that Burisma wouldn't be investigated
#6 And of course, Hunter's infamous laptop, which was hushed up pre-election
IMF's threat to Kiev: fight for eastern Ukraine, or die

Shit, I've posted SO MUCH incontrovertible first-hand evidence, there is NO REASON for any of you to be this stupid, or this mendacious!
But you're extremely good at erasing facts from your brain, aren't you, "goldfish memory"?

How true is #1? Not at all true, Signym:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/unite
d-states-spent-5-billion-ukraine-anti-governm/

How true is #2? Well, it is a Russian intercept of a phone call, not video. It is really two Russians, sitting side by side in a studio, reading a script into microphones with the director being sure that the sound quality is excellent. Then Putin sends the fake out to the world as if it was Americans. You got faked out again, Signym.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

How true is #3? Not true at all, Signym:
https://fair.org/home/john-mccain-human-rights-ukrainian-nazi-photo-wa
shington-post/

Signym wrote "Shit, I've posted SO MUCH incontrovertible first-hand evidence, there is NO REASON for any of you to be this stupid, or this mendacious!"

You do NOT have "incontrovertible first-hand evidence", Signym. Do you have any proof that does NOT have Putin's fingerprints on it? I am not checking #4, #5, or #6 because after 3 strikes you are out, Signym.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

THG

Thursday, January 20, 2022 1:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

All of the coups and manufactured "color revolutions" were just spontaneous outpourings? Had nothing to do with the $5 BILLION that the USA spent in Ukraine pre-2014, and the constant flow of disinformation from our collective NGOs, and the security forces that we bribed, and the mercs that we hired? (Speaking of meddling in other nations' internal affairs.)

Nah...
If you're making extraordinary claims, you need proof, but not from sources that are Putin's people or repeating what Putin's people wrote for them. This is exactly the same as Signym's claim that the "West" (who is this "West"? ) promised that NATO would not expand. NATO didn't give such a promise to Russia. Neither did the "West". The promise only exists as propaganda written by Putin's people.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

But Russia did promise not to invade Ukraine if it gave up its nukes.

T

SIGNYM

Thursday, January 20, 2022 1:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You spew bullshit in every post with No EVIDENCE whatsoever, and YOU demand "proof"?

That's rich, coming from a liar like you!

#1 I posted a video of Nuland herself bragging about the $5 billion the USA spent on Ukraine per-2014.
#2 And of course, a video of Nuland and Pyatt hand-selecting Ukraine's new (unelected) government (That's where "fuck the EU" comes from)
#3 Pictures of John McCain associating with know Nazis.
#4 Videos of the Nazi/fascist extremist wing of the Maidan burning buildings ... and the people in them burning alive...
#5 a video of Biden bragging how he got the Chief Procurator fired by threatening to withhold aid, so that Burisma wouldn't be investigated
#6 And of course, Hunter's infamous laptop, which was hushed up pre-election
IMF's threat to Kiev: fight for eastern Ukraine, or die

Shit, I've posted SO MUCH incontrovertible first-hand evidence, there is NO REASON for any of you to be this stupid, or this mendacious!
But you're extremely good at erasing facts from your brain, aren't you, "goldfish memory"?
How true is #1? Not at all true, Signym:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/unite
d-states-spent-5-billion-ukraine-anti-governm/

How true is #2? Well, it is a Russian intercept of a phone call, not video. It is really two Russians, sitting side by side in a studio, reading a script into microphones with the director being sure that the sound quality is excellent. Then Putin sends the fake out to the world as if it was Americans. You got faked out again, Signym.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

How true is #3? Not true at all, Signym:
https://fair.org/home/john-mccain-human-rights-ukrainian-nazi-photo-wa
shington-post/

Signym wrote "Shit, I've posted SO MUCH incontrovertible first-hand evidence, there is NO REASON for any of you to be this stupid, or this mendacious!"

You do NOT have "incontrovertible first-hand evidence", Signym. Do you have any proof that does NOT have Putin's fingerprints on it? I am not checking #4, #5, or #6 because after 3 strikes you are out, Signym.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

I have videos of NULAND AND BIDEN THEMSELVES BRAGGING ABOUT THEIR INTERFERENCES IN UKRAINE. Where iare "Putin's fingerprints" on that? These people were talking freely - bragging, really- to a friendly audience.

Audio recordings- which have not been denied- of handpicking Ukraine's unelected government. Hunter's laptop, where he entered the info himself. Public pictures of McCain happily posing with known Nazis. Official documents.

WTF SECOND?

Are you delusional??

Wait, don't answer that question. We already know you're a sociopathic liar. Nothing you post is worth even parsing.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SECOND

Thursday, January 20, 2022 5:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

WTF SECOND?

Are you delusional??

Wait, don't answer that question. We already know you're a sociopathic liar. Nothing you post is worth even parsing.

You might parse it differently, but the message is clear, Putin threatens to commit mass murder if he doesn't get his way:

21 Dec 2021 -- Today Dmitry Kiselyov, a media mogul known as Putin’s mouthpiece, warned US-led aggression could lead to a nuclear war.

He told NATO to back off, adding: “Otherwise, everyone will be turned into radioactive ash”.

Putin denies any Russian involvement in the region but it is feared he will use the conflict to justify an incursion deeper into Ukraine, threatening to bring war to Europe’s borders.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-warns-nato-eve
ryone-25759453

That is NOT the first time Putin used Threats of Nuclear War

While Russia was making war threats, it was also making nuclear threats. This is not new. Russian nuclear targeting threats date back to 2007. However, this is the first time Moscow used nuclear threats in support of an offensive political agenda and there were a lot of them.

Russia has previously used nuclear threats in support of its aggression against Ukraine, including the deployment of nuclear-capable systems near Ukraine. In September 2014, then-Ukrainian Minister of Defense Colonel General Valeriy Heletey wrote, "The Russian side has threatened on several occasions across unofficial channels that, in the case of continued resistance, they are ready to use a tactical nuclear weapon against us.” In 2015, President Putin said that he would have put Russian nuclear forces on alert during the Crimea crisis if it was necessary. Nuclear threats are now being used in support of a potential invasion of Ukraine and Putin’s “ultimatum” (what Russian state media have called it, although Ryabkov characterizes it as a serious warning) concerning “security assurances.”

Signym, there are more threats by Putin to drop nukes if he doesn't get what he wants at https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2022/01/18/threats_of_war_an
d_nuclear_war_putins_effort_to_revive_the_soviet_union_812521.html

Signym, maybe Putin is lying . . . or truthful.

Signym, maybe Putin is crazy . . . or sane.

Signym, maybe Putin will let us know this year which one he is.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

1KIKI

Thursday, January 20, 2022 5:45 AM

I saw you avatar and I scrolled right past.

SECOND

Thursday, January 20, 2022 6:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I saw you avatar and I scrolled right past.

Whenever I see your avatar, I read every word because I admire how well you express yourself. Your clarity and conciseness is irreproachable, making it delightful when you post something.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Thursday, January 20, 2022 6:52 PM

It’s worth noting the words of Dmitry Muratov, the courageous Russian journalist who remains one of the few independent voices standing up to Mr. Putin and who just received the Nobel Prize for Peace. At a news conference after the awards ceremony in Oslo, as Russian troops and armor were massing on Ukraine’s borders, Mr. Muratov spoke of the iron link between authoritarianism and war. “Disbelief in democracy means that the countries that have abandoned it will get a dictator,” he said. “And where there is a dictatorship, there is a war. If we refuse democracy, we agree to war.”

It was a message similar to the one contained in Mr. Sakharov’s Nobel address in 1975. It was delivered by his wife, the activist Yelena Bonner, because he was barred from leaving the Soviet Union to deliver it in person.

Mr. Sakharov is considered the father of the Soviet hydrogen bomb. Realizing the destructive power of nuclear weapons and concerned about the ethical implications of his work, he later became an advocate for nuclear disarmament and human rights. In sharp contrast to Mr. Sakharov, Mr. Putin threatens to nuke somebody if he doesn’t get whatever he wants from Ukraine.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220106204547/https://www.nytimes.com/202
1/12/09/world/europe/russian-dimitri-muratov-nobel.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:36 PM

If there is an iron link between authoritarianism and war, then the USA must be the most authoritarian nation in the world, seeings as its invaded or destablized over a hundred in its brief history.

Quote:
In fact, there are only three countries in the world America hasn’t invaded or have never seen a U.S. military presence: Andorra, Bhutan, and Liechtenstein.

https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/these-are-the-only-3-countries
-america-hasnt-invaded/

You walked into THAT one, SECOND, by citing a piece of tripe that EVEN YOU know is stupid. (eg Vietnam being your big real-life example)

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SECOND

Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If there is an iron link between authoritarianism and war, then the USA must be the most authoritarian nation in the world, seeings as its invaded or destablized over a hundred in its brief history.

Quote:
In fact, there are only three countries in the world America hasn’t invaded or have never seen a U.S. military presence: Andorra, Bhutan, and Liechtenstein.

https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/these-are-the-only-3-countries
-america-hasnt-invaded/

You walked into THAT one, SECOND, by citing a piece of tripe that EVEN YOU know is stupid. (eg Vietnam being your big real-life example)

Just a little hint, Signym, Americans wouldn't talk that way about America, but Russians would, especially when justifying an invasion of Ukraine. Also, Americans wouldn't use references to the Cuban Missile Crisis as a justification for invading Ukraine, but Russians do it all the time.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, January 20, 2022 9:20 PM

You're an idiot, Second.

I was against our imperialism back when GWB was President and I was extremely vocal about it.

I wasn't a Russian then. I wasn't Russian when I said that actually pulling out of Afghanistan was the only good thing that Biden* will get accomplished. I'm not a Russian now.

It's none of our fuckin' business.

Got plenty of problems to deal with right here, and our politicians aren't doing anything but adding to them.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If there is an iron link between authoritarianism and war, then the USA must be the most authoritarian nation in the world, seeings as its invaded or destablized over a hundred in its brief history.

Quote:
In fact, there are only three countries in the world America hasn’t invaded or have never seen a U.S. military presence: Andorra, Bhutan, and Liechtenstein.

https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/these-are-the-only-3-countries
-america-hasnt-invaded/

You walked into THAT one, SECOND, by citing a piece of tripe that EVEN YOU know is stupid. (eg Vietnam being your big real-life example)
Just a little hint, Signym, Americans wouldn't talk that way about America, but Russians would, especially when justifying an invasion of Ukraine. Also, Americans wouldn't use references to the Cuban Missile Crisis as a justification for invading Ukraine, but Russians do it all the time.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Are you saying that all of the antiwar protesters in the 60s and 70s were Russian?

That everyone who was against Reagan's invasion of Grenada and his Iran-Contra scheme were Russian?

That everyone who criticized GWB's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq (on phony grounds) were Russian?

That anyone who was against Obama's destruction of Libya was Russian?

You pull that "Russian troll" CRAP everytime YOU step in it yourself. It's so fucking obvious, just review this thread.

By now it's obvious that you're a sociopathic liar who will do and say ANYTHING to further your hatred of America and Americans. You discredit anything you post, simply by posting it.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THG

Thursday, January 20, 2022 11:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I saw you avatar and I scrolled right past.

Whenever I see your avatar, I read every word because I admire how well you express yourself. Your clarity and conciseness is irreproachable, making it delightful when you post something.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Update, fell out of chair laughing.

T

THG

Thursday, January 20, 2022 11:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If there is an iron link between authoritarianism and war, then the USA must be the most authoritarian nation in the world, seeings as its invaded or destablized over a hundred in its brief history.

Quote:
In fact, there are only three countries in the world America hasn’t invaded or have never seen a U.S. military presence: Andorra, Bhutan, and Liechtenstein.

https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/these-are-the-only-3-countries
-america-hasnt-invaded/

You walked into THAT one, SECOND, by citing a piece of tripe that EVEN YOU know is stupid. (eg Vietnam being your big real-life example)
Just a little hint, Signym, Americans wouldn't talk that way about America, but Russians would, especially when justifying an invasion of Ukraine. Also, Americans wouldn't use references to the Cuban Missile Crisis as a justification for invading Ukraine, but Russians do it all the time.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Are you saying that all of the antiwar protesters in the 60s and 70s were Russian?

That everyone who was against Reagan's invasion of Grenada and his Iran-Contra scheme were Russian?

That everyone who criticized GWB's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq (on phony grounds) were Russian?

That anyone who was against Obama's destruction of Libya was Russian?

You pull that "Russian troll" CRAP everytime YOU step in it yourself. It's so fucking obvious, just review this thread.

By now it's obvious that you're a sociopathic liar who will do and say ANYTHING to further your hatred of America and Americans. You discredit anything you post, simply by posting it.

Just my opinion Russian Polish Collaborator Signym, but I think what two has been saying is you are Russian. And posting Putins' lies and bullshit propaganda.

Please excuse the double negative. It's hard to describe you or what you do here without using a double negative comrade.

T

SIGNYM

Thursday, January 20, 2022 11:45 PM

I forgive you your delusions, THUGR, bc you're too stupid to know any better, and couldn't tell the difference between a lie and the truth if it sat on your face.

But SECOND is a known and deliberate sociopathic liar whose knee-jerk response is to call me a Russian troll every time I call him on his bullshit.

HE EVEN APOLOGIZED TO ME FOR IT.

I hate to throw the one honest deed he did back in his face, but I've re-posted his apology into my profile, along with the linky. which is RIGHT NEXT TO MY AVATAR.

You might want to check it out.

SECOND knows EXACTLY who I am, and every time he insinuates that I'm Russian, he's lying. (*And the fact tha he keeps on libeling me, KNOWING that he apologized for it and KNOWING that I posted his applogy, just shows you what a stone-cold liar he is. And how stupid and gullible he thinks YOU are.)

So, what are you going to believe?
His apology?
Or his libel?

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SIGNYM

Friday, January 21, 2022 12:07 AM

Quote:
Ukraine's President Admits 'Russian Invasion' Fears Driven By "Big Hype", Blames Media

Thursday, Jan 20, 2022 - 11:35 AM

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is attempting to calm his population amid persisting and breathless international media reports that over 100,000 Russian troops are set for an "invasion" of Ukraine "at any point" - as the White House has been claiming.

He gave a speech Wednesday toward that end, bluntly calling the current Russia-Ukraine standoff driven by "hype" while urging calm among the Ukrainian citizenry. "The risks have not just existed for a day, and they have not become bigger. The only thing that has become bigger is the hype around them," Zelensky said.

https://www.dailysabah.com/world/europe/big-hype-zelenskyy-urges-restr
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THG

Friday, January 21, 2022 1:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I forgive you your delusions, THUGR, bc you're too stupid to know any better, and couldn't tell the difference between a lie and the truth if it sat on your face.

But SECOND is a known and deliberate sociopathic liar whose knee-jerk response is to call me a Russian troll every time I call him on his bullshit.

HE EVEN APOLOGIZED TO ME FOR IT.

I hate to throw the one honest deed he did back in his face, but I've re-posted his apology into my profile, along with the linky. which is RIGHT NEXT TO MY AVATAR.

You might want to check it out.

SECOND knows EXACTLY who I am, and every time he insinuates that I'm Russian, he's lying. (*And the fact tha he keeps on libeling me, KNOWING that he apologized for it and KNOWING that I posted his applogy, just shows you what a stone-cold liar he is. And how stupid and gullible he thinks YOU are.)

So, what are you going to believe?
His apology?
Or his libel?

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A rabbit hole I’m sure comrade. I’ve seen enough of your bullshit to know that following such a link will not bring anyone to seconds’ actual post. You have hundreds, no thousands of posts here where you post a story you aggregated by changing what the article says and entering bullshit to show your perspective. You add a link to the story that when followed shows you misrepresented to story from top to bottom. How many times did we catch you at that? Too many to count comrade. Too many to count.

T

SECOND

Friday, January 21, 2022 2:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Are you saying that all of the antiwar protesters in the 60s and 70s were Russian?

That everyone who was against Reagan's invasion of Grenada and his Iran-Contra scheme were Russian?

That everyone who criticized GWB's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq (on phony grounds) were Russian?

That anyone who was against Obama's destruction of Libya was Russian?

You pull that "Russian troll" CRAP everytime YOU step in it yourself. It's so fucking obvious, just review this thread.

By now it's obvious that you're a sociopathic liar who will do and say ANYTHING to further your hatred of America and Americans. You discredit anything you post, simply by posting it.

Where I lived, I never saw antiwar protestors. Antiwar existed only on TV. But pro-war was everywhere. In 1972, Americans had a clear and simple pro-war/anti-war choice between:

1) Nixon (who had won in 1968 because he committed treason)
https://www.google.com/search?q=nixon+treason
(and who cheated on his taxes)
https://www.google.com/search?q=nixon+tax+cheat

2) George McGovern (a war hero)
https://www.google.com/search?q=McGovern+war+hero

Americans choose the crook, the liar, the thief. The warmonger Nixon won by a landslide.
https://www.270towin.com/1972_Election/

Americans face binary choices (Nixon/McGovern) all the time, and make the wrong choice, splitting the universe. Then Americans wonder why they are in wrong half of the universe, the half where their lives gets worse every year. When looking at their daily life, where they are making binary decisions less famous than Nixon/McGovern, Americans habitually make terrible decisions. Americans try to shrug it off as six of one, half dozen of the other, but it is not. These are important daily decisions that they screw-up every day, making their life a little worse day by day. It is no surprise when Americans' decisions every four years are just as bad as their daily decisions.

By the way, Signym, your decision to post what you did was the bad choice when the other half of this binary was to post nothing. But it is very clear you have been making bad choices all your life, except not clear at all to you. Such is the life of people who defend, and sometimes even vote for, Trump.

Putin is facing a binary choice. Invade versus Not. I am unconvinced Putin will make the superior choice from looking at other choices he has made in Ukraine.
https://www.google.com/search?q=russia+shoots+down+dutch+plane

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, January 21, 2022 2:58 AM

The only ones behaving like Russians are Democrat politicians.

You should probably work on that.

You're sending a lot of mixed messages.

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SIGNYM

Friday, January 21, 2022 5:39 AM

Quote:
originally posted by SIGNYM:

Are you saying that all of the antiwar protesters in the 60s and 70s were Russian?

That everyone who was against Reagan's invasion of Grenada and his Iran-Contra scheme were Russian?

That everyone who criticized GWB's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq (on phony grounds) were Russian?

That anyone who was against Obama's destruction of Libya was Russian?

You pull that "Russian troll" CRAP everytime YOU step in it yourself. It's so fucking obvious, just review this thread.

By now it's obvious that you're a sociopathic liar who will do and say ANYTHING to further your hatred of America and Americans. You discredit anything you post, simply by posting it.

SECOND: Where I lived, I never saw antiwar protestors.

For someone who claims to be so rich, you have an awfully limited background.

Where I lived, there were all kinds of protests! Hubby had his head pounded on bc of one. My older sister's University application was firebombed, so she never got accepted there. ROTC buildings were being targeted all the time!

You never watched TV? Never saw the Chicago Dem convention? Never heard about Kent State? What are you: a mushroom?*

No wonder you made such a blindingly stupid mistake as to join a pointless war!

Don't forget- it was Johnson (D) who escalated it beyond all reason and tossed many good lives away. It was Nixon (R) who ended it.

God, you're fixated! Can't learn from experience, can you?

* Kept Keep yourself in the dark and ~~fed~~ feed yourself bullshit?

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Friday, January 21, 2022 6:48 AM

Oh BTW, you might want to expand your circle. Yanno get out of Texas and get to know other people. You keep thinking that everything is like Texas, and that everyone who isn't a DNC Dem (and even a few who are) are all like rich Texas Republicans.

They aren't.

And.

It isn't.

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6IXSTRINGJACK
Friday, January 21, 2022 9:30 AM

Russia knows we're weak.

Not because our President is an obvious husk of a man.

Because that either

A) Americans in general are so stupid and weak that they put a man like Biden* in office.

OR

B) (What actually happened) Americans allowed a rigged election that they know was rigged to take place to put a man like Biden* into office and didn't do anything about it.

China's watching too.

And the Jawas.

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SIGNYM
Friday, January 21, 2022 12:25 PM

Jawa?

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Friday, January 21, 2022 5:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Russia knows we're weak.

Not because our President is an obvious husk of a man.

Because that either

A) Americans in general are so stupid and weak that they put a man like Biden* in office.

OR

B) (What actually happened) Americans allowed a rigged election that they know was rigged to take place to put a man like Biden* into office and didn't do anything about it.

China's watching too.

And the Jawas.
America is weak because

a) Many Americans are stupid (like THUGR) and believe the propaganda spewed by the elites, who don't have America's interests at heart, and

b) Many Americans are lazy (*like JO*) and prefer the life of intellectual and physical flaccidity offered by the elites, who pretend that laziness on a national scale can continue forever, but mostly because

c) Many Americans are cowardly, and *are afriad to face real life* and seek the "protection" of being in the middle of the establishment/elite herd, instead of bucking the authorities and recognizing that there are hard choices to make and some of those choices take personal courage and sacrifice in order to get off a self-destructive path

And then there is SECOND, who is a corrupted sociopath, who spews disinformation because it is in his interest to do so, because it makes him rich and keeps him getting richer.

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Friday, January 21, 2022 5:34 PM

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Oh BTW, you might want to expand your circle. Yanno get out of Texas and get to know other people. You keep thinking that everything is like Texas, and that everyone who isn't a DNC Dem (and even a few who are) are all like rich Texas Republicans.

They aren't.

And.

It isn't.
In Texas, Republicans preferred Ted Cruz over Trump in the 2016 primaries. Cruz is not immoral like Trump, but Cruz doesn't have many sterling qualities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election
_in_Texas#Republican_primary

I will be blunt. Some Democrats are psychologically identical to Republicans, and would vote for a Trump if he was a Democrat. But not very many Democrats are like that. Not many Democrats have a weird psychology tolerating a guy who doesn't pay his taxes, cheats his business associates, cheats his wives, lies as constantly as he breaths, was a chickenhearted draft dodger, insists he won an election he lost, etc.

I know plenty of Republicans that say the bad news about Trump is fake news about Trump. Those Republicans are really saying they are crazy, crazy in the head as a flat-earther who denies Earth is spherical. They can't see it about themselves, but I already knew they were crazy from what happens in the other 95% of life unconnected to politics, so I expected their politics would also be crazy. That Republicans all over America, not just just Texas, did the craziest thing by selecting Trump in the primaries, despite his history, says everything about Republicans.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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SECOND
Friday, January 21, 2022 5:45 PM

Back to the Putin Disaster.

Putin is trying to arm Russia as if it still is a superpower without having the resources to pay for it. Economy is totally dependent on fossil fuels and demand for natural gas/crude oil will go down. As demand goes, so goes Russia.

Setting a crisis is the common way for dictators in trouble to unite the population and that’s what Putin is trying to do. He is inventing enemies all over, foreign agents trying to infiltrate Russia and he is trying to invoke nationalistic ideas, Russia being an exceptional nation with a mission to dominate Europe.

Most Russians, even the ones who don’t support Putin, are still convinced that Russia is a superpower with the right to bully its neighbors

American politicians have historically deflected attention from their own failures by blaming immigrants or minorities (see Lyndon Johnson's famous "give a [white] man someone to look down on" remark); Putin uses Europe and the West in a similar way. Of course it's not that Russians aren't aware he's a completely corrupt autocrat with dreams of becoming another Stalin -- it's that they feel he's the only one who will "stand up" for them. Exactly what a lot of Republican voters saw in Trump. No wonder they were two peas in a pod.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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6IXSTRINGJACK
Friday, January 21, 2022 5:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Russia knows we're weak.

Not because our President is an obvious husk of a man.

Because that either

A) Americans in general are so stupid and weak that they put a man like Biden* in office.

OR

B) (What actually happened) Americans allowed a rigged election that they know was rigged to take place to put a man like Biden* into office and didn't do anything about it.

China's watching too.

And the Jawas.
America is weak because

a) Many Americans are stupid (like THUGR) and believe the propaganda spewed by the elites, who don't have America's interests at heart, and

b) Many Americans are lazy and prefer the life of intellectual and physical flaccidity offered by the elites, who pretend that laziness on a national scale can continue forever, but mostly because

c) Many Americans are cowardly, and seek the "protection" of being in the middle of the establishment/elite herd, instead of bucking the authorities and recognizing that there are hard choices to make and some of those choices take personal courage and sacrifice in order to get off a self-destructive path

And then there is SECOND, who is a corrupted sociopath, who spews disinformation because it is in his interest to do so, because it makes him rich and keeps him getting richer.

Well, in that case...

I hope for their sake those in charge of intelligence in these foreign powers are taking into account that the people who aren't a part of your bullet points are immediately removed from social media and never get any exposure.

There are a lot of us, but you just won't find us there.

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Friday, January 21, 2022 6:49 PM

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SIGNYM:
Oh BTW, you might want to expand your circle. Yanno get out of Texas and get to know other people. You keep thinking that everything is like Texas, and that everyone who isn't a DNC Dem (and even a few who are) are all like rich Texas Republicans.

They aren't.

And.

It isn't.

SECOND: In Texas
Who the fuck gives a rat's ass about Texas?
HINT: It's not all about Texas!

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SECOND ... blah blah blah ..
I will be blunt. Some Democrats

Who the fuck gives a rat's ass about Democrats??
HINT: Having a (D) after your name doesn't give you an automatic "righteous" card, and if you're a politician of EITHER party you are most likely a corrupt sleazeball who cheats on everything, including your family, your taxes, the truth and your promises. After all, look at Biden*, Harris, Pelosi, and Schumer.

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SECOND: blah blah blah

I get thru the first few words of your "points" and pretty much stop reading there bc it's all nonsense to justify your fixed and undying hatred of that which revealed to you what you are.

Here's another HINT: If you don't want to feel like a sociopath, stop acting like one.

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Friday, January 21, 2022 7:08 PM

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Iran, Russia, China To Hold Joint Naval Drills After Key Putin-Raisi Summit

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/iran-russia-china-hold-joint-na
val-drills-after-key-putin-raisi-summit

We shit on countries endlessly when they're weak, hoping to destroy them, but if they survive and get strong, they start shitting back on us.

Eventually Iraq (major oil reserves) and Venezuela (largest proven oil reserves in the world) and Kazahkstan (major gas and uranium reserves/alternate energy) will become real assets to the anti-American club.

Oh, how the worm has turned!

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6IXSTRINGJACK
Friday, January 21, 2022 7:14 PM

I can't help but think that Ted and Second's recent obsession with Russia is because there's literally no good news coming out of the Biden* camp right now. Even without any viewers, the dying Legacy Media doesn't have anything good to say about him.

All they can do at this point is deflect from how bad this past year has gone for everyone. The problem is, especially for poor people (a large part of their previous voter base), they can't be deflected from the realities that have been thrust upon them because of Democrat's terrible policy making.

I hope you Biden* voters are happy. The few of you who actually voted for him and not the pallets upon pallets of fraudulent mail-in votes. They have no remorse.

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Friday, January 21, 2022 9:55 PM

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Having a (D) after your name doesn't give you an automatic "righteous" card, and if you're a politician of EITHER party you are most likely a corrupt sleazeball who cheats on everything, including your family, your taxes, the truth and your promises. After all, look at Biden*, Harris, Pelosi, and Schumer.
With one question, most Republicans flunk the sanity test. If you asked them more questions, more Republicans would flunk the sanity test, but I’m stopping with one question: Who won in 2020?

Do Republicans really believe Trump won the 2020 election? Our research suggests that they do.

By Lane Cuthbert and Alexander Theodoridis

January 7, 2022

All credible evidence tells us that the 2020 election was very secure. Experts on both sides of the political aisle, and even President Donald Trump’s own Justice Department, have confirmed that 2020 was a free and fair election. Even a Republican-sponsored audit of Arizona’s results found no evidence of fraud or malfeasance.

Nevertheless, the vast majority of Republican voters say they agree with Trump’s unsubstantiated claims that the election was stolen. In our most recent University of Massachusetts at Amherst poll, fielded online Dec. 14-20 by YouGov among a nationally representative sample of the U.S. voting-age population, only 21 percent of Republicans say Joe Biden’s victory was legitimate. This is nearly identical to what we found in our April poll, in which just 19 percent of Republicans said Biden was legitimately elected. Other universities, media outlets and polling firms have found nearly identical results.

How could the “big lie” campaign convince so many Republicans that Trump won an election he so clearly lost? Some observers wonder whether these beliefs are genuine or just an example of expressive responding, a term social scientists use to mean respondents are using a survey item to register a feeling rather than express a real belief. In this case, it would mean that these Republicans, upset about Biden winning, say his victory was not legitimate even though they know deep down that it was.

What does the evidence tell us?

While it is difficult to firmly establish what respondents truly believe, clues suggest this is a genuine belief. One piece of evidence is that the result is nearly identical in phone surveys and online surveys. When people respond to phone surveys, those responses are often biased by what social scientists call “social desirability,” in which respondents say what they think makes them look good — even if that is not what they actually believe. Web-based surveys are known to reduce social desirability bias.

Other survey responses appear consistent with a true belief that the election was stolen. In our December UMass Poll, we asked those who said Biden’s presidential victory was illegitimate to select all the reasons they believed so from a list of conspiracy theories floated by those pushing the “big lie.” As you can see below, fully 83 percent say that “fraudulent ballots supporting Joe Biden were counted by election officials”; 81 percent that officials counted “absentee ballots from deceased people”; 76 percent tell us that “non-citizens and other ineligible voters were allowed to vote for Joe Biden”; 69 percent that the victory was illegitimate because “some states changed election rules in ways they should not have”; and 65 percent that election officials destroyed ballots supporting Trump.

In other words, not only do they say that Biden’s victory was not legitimate, but they endorse several (though not all) specific theories about how fraud was perpetrated.

Further, Republicans in our UMass Poll say they would be more likely to vote for 2022 GOP congressional candidates who questioned Biden’s victory and less likely to vote for those who concede that Biden won. Using a conjoint experiment, an approach likely to reduce social desirability bias and expressive response, political scientists Vin Arceneaux and Rory Truex found that Republi

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Friday, January 21, 2022 11:41 PM

I leave the legitimacy of 2020 an open question.

Because the widespread use of mail in ballots, impossible to verify their authenticity in many districts (cover envelopes were tossed) and widespread statistical anamolies in vote counts (eg hundreds of ballots nearly in a row all swinging the same way) I cannot discount the issue of vote COUNTING fraud. And since when do I trust "establishment" "authority" figures anyway to tell the truth when

a) they have every motivation to lie ("cui bono") and

b) have lied demonstrably in the past?

Anyone who believes mainstream sources is as nutty as a Qanon follower. Anybody who "believes" ANYTHING is nutty.

The only audit that was legit IMHO was Maricopa county AZ bc I followed the details of what they did. and it was as thorough as Hans Blix' WMD audit of Iraq.

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6IXSTRINGJACK
Friday, January 21, 2022 11:47 PM

Yes. Trump won the election without any doubt.

I'm alright with the way things are going now though.

The Democrats and the Legacy Media got what they wanted and things couldn't possibly be worse for Democrats now and nobody is tuning in to the media lies anymore.

2021 was great. Can't wait to see how they fuck up 2022!

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Saturday, January 22, 2022 12:53 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I leave the legitimacy of 2020 an open question.

Because the widespread use of mail in ballots, impossible to verify their authenticity in many districts (cover envelopes were tossed) and widespread statistical anamolies in vote counts (eg hundreds of ballots nearly in a row all swinging the same way) I cannot discount the issue of vote COUNTING fraud. And since when do I trust "establishment" "authority" figures anyway to tell the truth when

a) they have every motivation to lie ("cui bono") and

b) have lied demonstrably in the past?

Anyone who believes mainstream sources is as nutty as a Qanon follower. Anybody who "believes" ANYTHING is nutty.

The only audit that was legit IMHO was Maricopa county AZ bc I followed the details of what they did. and it was as thorough as Hans Blix' WMD audit of Iraq.
Who won in 2020? That is easily decided because the facts are very clear. It's an open-and-shut case.

The wrong answer to 'Who won in 2020?' means you are crazy. Your answer, Signym, says you are insane. Congratulations! You've joined up with the majority of GOP voters and politicians!

The Russian equivalent to 'Who won in 2020?' is 'Should Ukraine be invaded before it joins NATO?'

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I leave the legitimacy of 2020 an open question.

Because the widespread use of mail in ballots, impossible to verify their authenticity in many districts (cover envelopes were tossed) and widespread statistical anamolies in vote counts (eg hundreds of ballots nearly in a row all swinging the same way) I cannot discount the issue of vote COUNTING fraud. And since when do I trust "establishment" "authority" figures anyway to tell the truth when

a) they have every motivation to lie ("cui bono") and

b) have lied demonstrably in the past?

Anyone who believes mainstream sources is as nutty as a Qanon follower. Anybody who "believes" ANYTHING is nutty.

The only audit that was legit IMHO was Maricopa county AZ bc I followed the details of what they did. and it was as thorough as Hans Blix' WMD audit of Iraq.
Who won in 2020? That is easily decided because the facts are very clear. It's an open-and-shut case.

The wrong answer to 'Who won in 2020?' means you are crazy. Your answer, Signym, says you are insane. Congratulations! You've joined up with the majority of GOP voters and politicians!

The Russian equivalent to 'Who won in 2020?' is 'Should Ukraine be invaded before it joins NATO?'

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
UNLIKE YOU I DEMAND EVIDENCE NOT BLATHER.
That has saved me from a lot of critical errors, like with Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and the whole RUSSIA COLLUSION! hoax which fell apart faster than toilet paper in water.

You should try it sometime!

The results are NOT clear, only the blather is (on both sides).

The ONLY credible audit was in Maricopa Co. If you have detailed reports of exact procedures and results of other audits, bring them forth. I doubt you can.

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Saturday, January 22, 2022 3:04 AM

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UNLIKE YOU I DEMAND EVIDENCE NOT BLATHER.
That has saved me from a lot of critical errors, like with Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and the whole RUSSIA COLLUSION! hoax which fell apart faster than toilet paper in water.

You should try it sometime!

The results are NOT clear, only the blather is (on both sides).

The ONLY credible audit was in Maricopa Co. If you have detailed reports of exact procedures and results of other audits, bring them forth. I doubt you can.
Signym, you and every Republican I know brags about their superiority. They are mediocre at best. Mister Donald "I am a very stable genius. Like, very smart" Trump knows his audience and defenders.

There is a demand for more "evidence" in the 59th and last Presidential election because Trump said it was a fake election. No candidate before Trump has acted crazy about an election. Previously, when candidates got votes recounted, they accepted their lose rather than say the recount was fake. But Trump says Fake News! for a year because he is insane. You are demanding more "evidence" because you are insane, too, Signym.

It is fascinating how few votes George Washington received from the entire USA and yet he was still declared the winner by a landslide in his second term:
List of United States presidential elections by popular vote margin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elect
ions_by_popular_vote_margin

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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SIGNYM
Saturday, January 22, 2022 4:37 AM

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UNLIKE YOU I DEMAND EVIDENCE NOT BLATHER.
That has saved me from a lot of critical errors, like with Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and the whole RUSSIA COLLUSION! hoax which fell apart faster than toilet paper in water.

You should try it sometime!

The results are NOT clear, only the blather is (on both sides).
The ONLY credible audit was in Maricopa Co. If you have detailed reports of exact procedures and results of other audits, bring them forth. I doubt you can.

SECOND: Signym, you and every Republican I know brags about their superiority.
You must be Republican then, because you're CONSTANTLY claiming how superior and important and moral you are and how shitty everyone else is! UNLIKE YOU I'm not claiming to be superior to everyone,but I'm certainly superior to a sociopathic liar who... I might add.. has not been able to find the details and technical reports of any other election audit, as I requested.

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SECOND
Saturday, January 22, 2022 5:16 AM

This had to have pleased Putin and was orchestrated by Trump’s later-indicted, later-pardoned campaign manager Paul Manafort, who worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.

July 18, 2016

Trump campaign guts GOP’s anti-Russia stance on Ukraine

The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington.

Throughout the campaign, Trump has been dismissive of calls for supporting the Ukraine government as it fights an ongoing Russian-led intervention. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.

Still, Republican delegates at last week’s national security committee platform meeting in Cleveland were surprised when the Trump campaign orchestrated a set of events to make sure that the GOP would not pledge to give Ukraine the weapons it has been asking for from the United States.

Inside the meeting, Diana Denman, a platform committee member from Texas who was a Ted Cruz supporter, proposed a platform amendment that would call for maintaining or increasing sanctions against Russia, increasing aid for Ukraine and “providing lethal defensive weapons” to the Ukrainian military.

“Today, the post-Cold War ideal of a ‘Europe whole and free’ is being severely tested by Russia’s ongoing military aggression in Ukraine,” the amendment read. “The Ukrainian people deserve our admiration and support in their struggle.”

Trump staffers in the room, who are not delegates but are there to oversee the process, intervened. By working with pro-Trump delegates, they were able to get the issue tabled while they devised a method to roll back the language.

On the sideline, Denman tried to persuade the Trump staffers not to change the language, but failed. “I was troubled when they put aside my amendment and then watered it down,” Denman told me. “I said, ‘What is your problem with a country that wants to remain free?’ It seems like a simple thing.”

Finally, Trump staffers wrote an amendment to Denman’s amendment that stripped out the platform’s call for “providing lethal defensive weapons” and replaced it with softer language calling for “appropriate assistance.”

That amendment was voted on and passed. When the Republican Party releases its platform Monday, the official Republican party position on arms for Ukraine will be at odds with almost all the party’s national security leaders.

“This is another example of Trump being out of step with GOP leadership and the mainstream in a way that shows he would be dangerous for America and the world,” said Rachel Hoff, another platform committee member who was in the room.

Of course, Trump is not the only politician to oppose sending lethal weapons to Ukraine. President Obama decided not to authorize it, despite recommendations to do so from his top Europe officials in the State Department and the military. The United States has provided Ukraine with non-lethal equipment and aid.

Trump’s view of Russia has always been friendlier than most Republicans. He’s said he would “get along very well” with Vladimir Putin and called it a “great honor” when Putin praised him. Trump has done a lot of business in Russia and has been traveling there since 1987. Last August, he said of Ukraine joining NATO, “I wouldn’t care.” He traveled there in September, and he told Ukrainians their war is “really a problem that affects Europe a lot more than it affects us.”

For Trump, the biggest threat to Europe is not Russia, according to people familiar with his thinking. He believes the United States should focus on helping Europe fight Islamist terrorism and open borders, not confronting Putin. He has called for a reduction of the U.S. commitment to NATO. He simply doesn’t see Russia as a dangerous th

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6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, January 22, 2022 5:55 AM

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You must be Republican then, because you're CONSTANTLY claiming how superior and important and moral you are and how shitty everyone else is!

BURN!

Sigs is really owning it this week.

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SECOND
Saturday, January 22, 2022 7:14 PM

Has Putin backed himself into a corner?

Putin’s ultimatum — give me Ukraine, and a say in Europe, or I may do something with all these troops — is a dangerous one. Not just because, well, war, but because it has created a situation where Putin himself has to deliver. “He has two options,” said Olga Lautman, senior fellow at the Center for European Policy Analysis, “to say, ‘never mind, just kidding,’ which will show his weakness and shows that he was intimidated by US and Europe standing together — and that creates weakness for him at home and with countries he’s attempting influence.”

“Or he goes full forward with an attack,” she said. “At this point, we don’t know where it’s going, but the prospects are very grim.”

This is the corner Putin has put himself in, which makes a walk-back from Russia seem difficult to fathom.

https://www.vox.com/22894163/russia-ukraine-putin-biden-nato

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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THG
Saturday, January 22, 2022 7:25 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Are you saying that all of the antiwar protesters in the 60s and 70s were Russian?

That everyone who was against Reagan's invasion of Grenada and his Iran-Contra scheme were Russian?

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Second

Putin is facing a binary choice. Invade versus Not. I am unconvinced Putin will make the superior choice from looking at other choices he has made in Ukraine.
https://www.google.com/search?q=russia+shoots+down+dutch+plane

This and rest of comrade Signyms' post are all noise designed to shift blame away from Putin. Change the topic. In other words, a word salad, dribble. Her posts have nothing to do with current events.

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THG
Saturday, January 22, 2022 8:23 PM

Military trainers, missiles and over 200,000 lbs of lethal aid: What NATO members have sent Ukraine so far

Last December, the White House authorized a $200 million security assistance package that provides Ukraine with small arms and ammunition, secure radios, medical equipment and spare parts. Other lethal equipment, including Javelin antitank missiles and other anti-armor artillery, as well as heavy machine guns, also were included. The U.S. Embassy in Kyiv said late Friday that a first shipment of nearly 200,000 pounds of lethal aid had recently arrived in Ukraine.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/military-trainers-missiles-and-ov
er-200-000-lbs-of-lethal-aid-what-nato-members-have-sent-ukraine-so-far/ar-AAT1KEH?ocid=msedgntp

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6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, January 22, 2022 8:24 PM

That's nice. We know how much you love war, Ted.

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THG
Sunday, January 23, 2022 2:47 AM

US sends aircraft carrier group to Mediterranean as Russia threat looms

The U.S. military has sent the USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier strike group to take part in a NATO naval exercise in the Mediterranean amid tensions between the West and Russia, the Pentagon's top spokesperson announced Friday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-sends-aircraft-carrier-group-t
o-mediterranean-as-russia-threat-looms/ar-AAT1oMa?ocid=msedgntp

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THG
Sunday, January 23, 2022 3:17 AM

If Russia invades Ukraine, what happens next?

It would appear to be setting the stage for a repeat of U.S. support for another insurgency — one that led to the denouement of the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Both Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin and Chair of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Mark A. Milley have warned their Russian counterparts that any incursion would be followed by an insurgency. But it’s a policy with significant cost, and a move likely to leave a shattered country in its wake.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/if-russia-invades-ukraine-what-ha
ppens-next/ar-AAT1V8t?ocid=msedgntp

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1KIKI
Sunday, January 23, 2022 3:41 AM

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If Russia invades Ukraine ...
It has absolutely zero, nada, zip, zilch, goose egg, to do with US security. And that's why I don't care.

Why do you? Is it because you're so stuck on Putin you just can't help yourself?

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SECOND
Sunday, January 23, 2022 4:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:
If Russia invades Ukraine ...
It has absolutely zero, nada, zip, zilch, goose egg, to do with US security. And that's why I don't care.

Why do you? Is it because you're so stuck on Putin you just can't help yourself?
Putin threatened to nuke the USA over Ukraine, 1kiki.

21 Dec 2021 -- Today Dmitry Kiselyov, a media mogul known as Putin’s mouthpiece, warned US-led aggression could lead to a nuclear war.

He told NATO to back off, adding: “Otherwise, everyone will be turned into radioactive ash”.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-warns-nato-eve
ryone-25759453

That is NOT the first time Putin used Threats of Nuclear War

Threats of War and Nuclear War: Putin’s Effort to Revive the Soviet Union
https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2022/01/18/threats_of_war_an
d_nuclear_war_putins_effort_to_revive_the_soviet_union_812521.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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SIGNYM
Sunday, January 23, 2022 5:17 AM

The Vineyard of the Saker
A Short-Term Geopolitical Forecast
18691 Views January 20, 2022 102 Comments

By Dmitry Orlov and posted with the author’s permission

Ever since Putin announced his demands for security guarantees from the US and NATO (in brief, stop NATO’s eastward expansion, have NATO retreat to its positions of 1997 and remove offensive weapons from Russia’s immediate vicinity) we have been subjected to a barrage of irrelevancies from Western press:

• Are these security guarantees an ultimatum or a negotiating tool?

• Will the US and NATO agree to them or reject them?

• Will Putin invade the Ukraine or will he be stopped in his tracks through the judicious and timely use of frowning, head-shaking, finger-wagging and tisk-tisking by sundry and assorted Western luminaries?

• If Putin does invade the Ukraine, does this mean that World War III is finally upon us and we shall all surely die?

I hope that I am not alone in being sick and tired of this pathetic, tiresome attempt to throw up a smokescreen and hide the inevitable reality of what is about to unfold. In case it isn’t completely clear to you yet, I would like to spell it all out. I am normally more cautious when making specific predictions, but in this case our immediate future has been carefully plotted out for us by Russia and China, with the US and its assorted puppets reduced to the status of non-playable characters in a video game who can only do one thing: hide behind a dense smokescreen of risible lies.

First, Russian security guarantee demands are not ultimatums. An ultimatum is an “or else” sort of thing, offering a choice between compliance and consequences, whereas in this case both the noncompliance and the consequences will follow automatically. The West and NATO are, for well understood internal political reasons, unable to sign these guarantees; therefore, the consequences will unfold in due course.

Russia has demanded that both the US and NATO put their refusal to agree to the security guarantees in writing; these pieces of paper will be important moving forward. To understand why, we need to take on board the fact that everything within these security guarantees has already been agreed to by the West; namely, the “not an inch to the east” guarantee given to the Russians by the US 30 years ago and the collective security principle agreed to by all members of the OSCE. By signing a document in which they declare their refusal to abide by what they previously agreed to, the US and NATO would essentially declare themselves to be apostates from international law and order. This, in turn, would imply that their own security needs can be disregarded and that instead they deserve to be humiliated and punished.

Further, by putting their refusal in writing, the US and NATO would declare the collective security principle itself—specifically with respect to the US and NATO—to be null and void, meaning that if, for instance, the Bahamas, a sovereign nation since July 10, 1973, decides to reinforce its sovereignty by hosting a Russian missile battery pointed across the Gulf Stream at Miami and Fort Lauderdale, Florida, the US would have no say in the matter, and if the US did try to speak up, they’d get beat up with this very piece of paper they signed. “Do you feel threatened now?” the Russians would ask; “Well, maybe you should have thought of that when you threatened us by putting your missiles in Poland and Romania.”

The initial stated purpose of the two installations of Aegis Ashore in Poland and Romania was to shoot down Iranian missiles, which didn’t exist then, don’t exist now, and never would have taken a giant detour and fly over Poland or Romania in any case. Although the stated purpose of these systems was for missile defense, their launch platforms can also be used to launch offensive strategic weapons: Tomahawk cruise missiles with nuclear payloads. These Tomahawks are obsolete and the Russians know how to shoot them down extremely well (as they demonstrated in Syria) but this is still very annoying, pl

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SECOND
Sunday, January 23, 2022 6:19 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Further, by putting their refusal in writing, the US and NATO would declare the collective security principle itself—specifically with respect to the US and NATO—to be null and void, meaning that if, for instance, the Bahamas, a sovereign nation since July 10, 1973, decides to reinforce its sovereignty by hosting a Russian missile battery pointed across the Gulf Stream at Miami and Fort Lauderdale, Florida, the US would have no say in the matter, and if the US did try to speak up, they’d get beat up with this very piece of paper they signed. “Do you feel threatened now?” the Russians would ask; “Well, maybe you should have thought of that when you threatened us by putting your missiles in Poland and Romania.”
Putin threatened to nuke the USA over Ukraine, Signym.

21 Dec 2021 -- Today Dmitry Kiselyov, a media mogul known as Putin’s mouthpiece, warned US-led aggression could lead to a nuclear war.

He told NATO to back off, adding: “Otherwise, everyone will be turned into radioactive ash”.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-warns-nato-eve
ryone-25759453

That is NOT the first time Putin used Threats of Nuclear War

Threats of War and Nuclear War: Putin’s Effort to Revive the Soviet Union
https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2022/01/18/threats_of_war_an
d_nuclear_war_putins_effort_to_revive_the_soviet_union_812521.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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