Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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THG

Tuesday, June 7, 2022 9:49 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

MEANWHILE ... Russia is winning in Ukraine.
And the EU is shooting itself in the face economically.
Get used to it.

Can_you_see_me_laughing?

T

Counterattack operation: advance of Ukrainian troops in the Kherson region

SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 8, 2022 2:43 AM (P)

THUGR, son, you live in a fantasy world.

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SECOND

Wednesday, June 8, 2022 5:41 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
MEANWHILE ... Russia is winning in Ukraine.
And the EU is shooting itself in the face economically.
Get used to it.

The moment Russia invaded Ukraine, Russia lost. You definitely should be used to that by now.

The Russians, when they speak, sound like James Bond villains and henchmen, but two hours later they are dead. Too bad reality doesn't finish within 2 hours like a movie. Here's Putin's henchman:

Ramzan Kadyrov, the leader of the Chechen Republic and an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, says "waging wars is a pleasure" and has called for the takeover of European nations.

In a brief video shared Monday on Twitter by BBC journalist Francis Scarr, Kadyrov discussed Putin's war in Ukraine. He called the Russian campaign "a war for good" and "a war for the happiness for people," according to the translation shared by Scarr.

Kadyrov has been outspoken in his support of Putin since Russia began its attacks on Ukraine in late February. He regularly posts videos about the conflict, in which he has insulted the Ukrainian people and called on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to surrender.

"If it were up to me, I'd take all those European states, which are now worth absolutely nothing and know their value," Kadyrov said.

Kadyrov went on to say that European nations—without naming any specific countries—were saying "indecent things about our president and about the people of Russia."

"I'd gradually take those states, and then America wouldn't have any allies left," he continued. "Basically, the war should last until they left all the sanctions and apologize," the Chechen leader said.

He then added that "waging wars is a pleasure" and "we get pleasure from it."

Kadyrov also quoted a comment Putin made during a 2018 speech. While warning any "aggressor" about a nuclear war, the Russian president said, "We will go to heaven as martyrs, and they will just drop dead."

In another video, shared by Scarr on May 25, Kadyrov is heard saying that he is ready to attack Poland and that the European country "better take back your weapons."

Kadyrov's threat to Poland is a response to the country's efforts in supplying Ukraine with weapons to help defend itself. While Putin has not indicated he would take action against Poland, Polish Deputy Foreign Minister Pawel Jablonski said during a March interview with Al Jazeera that Putin's desire to attack his country is an "absolute certainty."

More recently, Kadyrov gave Ukraine a vague warning during a video message posted Sunday on the Russian social media service VK.

"One of these days, you will see a real special operation," he said in the video.

He also referred to Ukrainians as shaitans, a term in Islamic theology for devils or evil spirits.

"It will be seen how these devils flee not only from these cities but also from Ukraine," he said. "So we are preparing, and we will please the real patriots of Russia."

Newsweek reached out to Russian's Defense Ministry for comment.

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-gets-pleasure-waging-war-tells-rus
sia-take-europe-1713458

Russians' actual soliloquies are more evil than a James Bond movie would use since a movie has to have a modicum of believableness or else it becomes parody. Did Ramzan Kadyrov let that stop him? He did not!

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, June 8, 2022 6:35 AM (P)

Nobody gives a shit about Russia or Ukraine.

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 8, 2022 7:20 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody gives a shit about Russia or Ukraine.

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And I REALLY don't care to read a wall of gibberish.

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SECOND

Wednesday, June 8, 2022 7:31 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody gives a shit about Russia or Ukraine.

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And I REALLY don't care to read a wall of gibberish.

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Is this plain enough for you to read? Another senior Russian military commander, Major General Roman Kutuzov, was killed by Ukrainian forces during clashes with Russian troops. Denis Pushilin, the head of a separatist group in Donetsk, wrote on Telegram on June 7 that "today we are bidding farewell" to Kutuzov.
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russian-general-killed/31887128.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, June 8, 2022 8:29 AM (P)

Nope. I won't even read two sentences of your bullshit.

Nobody gives one single shit about Russia or Ukraine.

And the rate things are going, the Democratic Party is likely not to even make it until the year 2030.

Tick Tock

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SECOND

Wednesday, June 8, 2022 3:49 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Meanwhile, the country that doesn't know how to fight is winning in Ukraine.

Russian silliness about destroying the world because Russia is losing:

Russian state TV personality Vladimir Solovyov has warned that if NATO keeps supporting Ukraine, there will be a "massive nuclear strike" that will see only "mutants" survive.

Solovyov, who has close ties with Putin and has been called "Putin's voice," was speaking on Russia-1.

Solovyov said that the world is "descending into bloody pages of world history."

He said: "If everything keeps progressing the way it is, only a couple of mutants in Lake Baikal will survive. The rest will be destroyed in a massive nuclear strike."

Lake Baikal is an enormous lake and one of the world's deepest, located in the mountainous Russian region of Siberia, north of the Mongolian border.

"Everything is moving in that direction, regardless of what either side wants," Solovyov added.

"Because if NATO decides they can place whatever they want at our borders, they'll be sending more and more of American weapons to Ukraine, Ukraine will fire and end up hitting one of our nuclear power plants, and here we go."

Solovyov said the "process" then will "quickly become uncontrollable."

"Everyone will get more than they asked for. Bang! And there's nothing left," he warned.

Newsweek reached out to Russia's foreign ministry for comment.

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-vladimir-solovyov-nuclear-wa
r-nato-support-mutants-survive-ukraine-1713352

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Meanwhile, the country that doesn't know how to fight is winning in Ukraine.

Signym, does "winning" mean destroying real estate? So far all the "winning" has been done inside Ukraine, but the thought of "winning" inside Russia has made Solovyov speculate about Russia nuking the world. See this quote from Solovyov: ". . . Ukraine will fire and end up hitting one of our nuclear power plants, and here we go."

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Wednesday, June 8, 2022 8:27 PM (P)

What happens if Ukraine doesn’t stay in Ukraine?

For three months, administration officials refused to meet Ukraine’s urgent requests for fighter aircraft, longer-range artillery and other weapons they considered too potent, too provocative. Last week, they finally approved four High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) capable of hitting targets 40 miles away. But approval was conditioned on Ukraine’s promise to use them, as Secretary of State Antony Blinken said, “only for defensive purposes” and not “against targets on Russian territory.” Ukraine got only medium-range rounds.

“We want to see Russia weakened to the degree that it can’t do the kinds of things that it has done in invading Ukraine,” said Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3513687-what-happens-in-ukra
ine-doesnt-stay-in-ukraine-austin-adds-clarity-on-taiwan/

I don't think Russia will be "weakened to the degree" necessary in order to deter Russia from attacking Ukraine again 5 years in the future unless Russian real estate is destroyed in the same amount as Russia has destroyed Ukrainian real estate. Ukraine official: Cost of damage from Russian invasion already exceeds $100 billion
https://globalnews.ca/news/8767280/ukraine-russia-infrastructure-damag
e/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 8, 2022 8:28 PM (P)

Quote:
Closer and closer to major-powers war
Thursday, November 27, 2014 12:24 PM

Quote:
NATO To Deploy Tanks In Eastern Europe Shortly After VP Of Europarliament Says Ukraine-Russia War Imminent

Of course, we know that a "Ukraine-Russia" war - if it occurs- will not remain Ukraine V Russia, but rather NATO v Russia. - SIGNYM

MORE AT http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=58859

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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, June 8, 2022 10:29 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Of course, we know that a "Ukraine-Russia" war - if it occurs- will not remain Ukraine V Russia, but rather NATO v Russia.

Sooo... Putin being the "great chess master" must have known that would happen, right? I mean, if you knew that, certainly he would. So logically it follows that he invaded Ukraine to force NATO to step in and THEN Russia would be able to justify launching nukes. That about right? Sounds really stupid, Ziggy. Like, Russian stupid.

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 8, 2022 11:23 PM (P)

Already started with something Balkanized

but now Russia Invades and Takes more Land?

i.ibb.co/yn404z9/Ukraine-Native-Languages-Census2001detailed-en.png

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 9, 2022 2:18 AM (P)

Quote:
SIGNYM:
Of course, we know that a "Ukraine-Russia" war - if it occurs- will not remain Ukraine V Russia, but rather NATO v Russia.
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CAPON: Sooo.... being the "great chess master" must have known that would happen, right? I mean, if you knew that, certainly he would. So logically it follows that he invaded Ukraine to force NATO to step in and THEN Russia would be able to justify launching nukes. That about right? Sounds really stupid, Ziggy. Like, Russian stupid.

Not "Putin". The Security Council.

But... yep! They predicted it. That's why Russia didn't push the issue until their hypersonic missiles and "dead man's hand" Poseidon retaliatory nukes were deployed.

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THG

Thursday, June 9, 2022 5:04 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:

THUGR, son, you live in a fantasy world.

Ukraine Regains Key Foothold on River Bank: British Intel

Ukrainian forces have managed to take back control from Russian invaders a key patch of land, amid fierce fighting along a riverbank, according to British intelligence sources.

The U.K.'s Ministry of Defence, which released an intelligence update on the war early on Wednesday, June 8, said Ukrainian troops had secured a victory by retaking a crucial "foothold" on the Ingulets River.

The river is in the southwestern Kherson region, where bitter fighting has raged after the Ukrainians launched a counter-attack following Russian occupation.

The British report stated: "Ukrainian forces have recently achieved some success by counter-attacking in the southwestern Kherson region, including regaining a foothold on the eastern bank of the Ingulets River."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-regains-key-foothold-on-r
iver-bank-british-intel/ar-AAYdEoE?bk=1&bk=1&ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=bd880dd710584b5692b9780dee16f550

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THG

Thursday, June 9, 2022 5:10 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
SIGNYM:
Of course, we know that a "Ukraine-Russia" war - if it occurs- will not remain Ukraine V Russia, but rather NATO v Russia.
[

CAPON: Sooo.... being the "great chess master" must have known that would happen, right? I mean, if you knew that, certainly he would. So logically it follows that he invaded Ukraine to force NATO to step in and THEN Russia would be able to justify launching nukes. That about right? Sounds really stupid, Ziggy. Like, Russian stupid.

Not "Putin". The Security Council.

But... yep! They predicted it. That's why Russia didn't push the issue until their hypersonic missiles and "dead man's hand" Poseidon retaliatory nukes were deployed.

So comrade like always, you were wrong. It isn't Hillary who was going to start a nuclear war as you kept posting, it was Putin who was going to do it. Can't you get anything right?

T

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 9, 2022 8:17 AM (P)

Quote:
THUGR: So comrade like always, you were wrong. It isn't Hillary who was going to start a nuclear war as you kept posting, it was Putin who was going to do it. Can't you get anything right?

Do you know what "retaliatory" means??

No, apparently not!

Go consult a dictionary, preferably one that uses little words to explain big ones, and then come back on that point.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, June 9, 2022 8:32 AM (P)

Nobody gives one single shit about Russia or Ukraine.

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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus

SECOND

Thursday, June 9, 2022 9:36 AM (P)

Former NATO Chief: We ‘Overestimated’ Russia’s Military

Anders Fogh Rasmussen speaks to FP (Foreign Policy) about Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine, the future of NATO, and more.

FP: What lessons will NATO planners draw from what they’ve seen of Russia’s military?

AFR: I think we have made two miscalculations. We have overestimated the strength of the Russian military. Despite huge investments in military equipment and the reopening of old Soviet bases, we have seen a very weak Russian military. It remains to be seen why this is. I think corruption may be one of the reasons. But the other miscalculation is we have underestimated the brutality and the ambitions of President Putin.

FP: Are you then saying that militarily, there isn’t something that Russia is holding back in this war?

AFR: Of course, they’re holding back on using nuclear weapons. And very often I’m asked the question whether I’m concerned about the nuclear threats from the Russian leadership. Currently, I’m not that concerned because Putin knows very well that if he were to use weapons of mass destruction, tactical nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, biological weapons, there would be a determined NATO military response.

FP: President Emmanuel Macron of France recently made comments saying that the West shouldn’t “humiliate” Putin, which he was then criticized for. But it’s an important debate because if the West is wary of poking Russia and it’s wary of giving Ukraine the highest level of weapons that it has, do you think that’s the right approach on the part of NATO?

AFR: No, I completely disagree. We cannot save Putin from humiliation. The cost of face-saving for Mr. Putin will be much higher than an outright defeat for the Russian troops in Ukraine. That’s why my conclusion is that Ukraine must win this war, because if Putin succeeds in Ukraine, he won’t stop. He will continue into Moldova, Georgia, and eventually also put pressure on the three Baltic states. That’s why the Ukrainians must win, and they have the will to fight. It’s our duty to give them the means to fight.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/06/06/russia-nato-war-anders-fogh-rasmu
ssen-ukraine/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Thursday, June 9, 2022 9:56 AM (P)

Ukraine’s former prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko has described Vladimir Putin as “absolutely rational, cold, cruel, black evil” and claimed he is determined to go down in Russian history alongside Stalin and Peter the Great.

In an exclusive interview, Tymoshenko dismissed the suggestion that the Russian president was “crazy”. “He acts according to his own dark logic,” she said. “He’s driven by this idea of historic mission and wants to create an empire. That’s his hyper-goal. It comes from a deep inner desire and belief.”

Tymoshenko, a leader of the 2004 Orange revolution and twice prime minister, had several one-on-one meetings with Putin. They held negotiations in 2009 after Putin, then prime minister, turned off the gas supply to Ukraine. Tymoshenko stood for president in 2010, 2014 and 2019, finishing second twice and then third.

Close up, Putin was “always cautious” in what he said and always suspicious that he might be being taped, she said. “He is from a KGB school,” she said. Before Russia’s full-scale invasion in February, he made no secret of his belief that there was “no such nation as Ukraine, and no such people as Ukrainians”, she said.

His ambitions went beyond seizing Ukrainian territory and toppling its pro-western, pro-Nato government, Tymoshenko suggested. His geopolitical aim was to take over Belarus, Georgia and Moldova as well, and to control central and eastern Europe including the Baltic states, just as Moscow did in Soviet times, she said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/08/yulia-tymoshenko-on-war-
in-ukraine-russia-putin

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 9, 2022 12:26 PM (P)

I don't care how much gibberish you post, SECOND, it's not worth reading.

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SECOND

Thursday, June 9, 2022 4:35 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I don't care how much gibberish you post, SECOND, it's not worth reading.

You gave a succinct explanation why wars are fought.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 9, 2022 5:38 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I don't care how much gibberish you post, SECOND, it's not worth reading.
You gave a succinct explanation why wars are fought.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

HAHAHAHA!
Because you're so ANTIWAR.

Doesn't it get kind of noisy in there, with all of those contradictory ideas fighting inside your head?

You were NEVER an engineer.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, June 9, 2022 5:40 PM (P)

Oh look, SECOND and CAPON: Someone just like you!

Quote:
Ousted Ukrainian Official Breaks Silence, Admits She Lied About Mass Rape By Russians To Garner More Aid/Arms
Lyudmila Denisova, the former [fired] Ukrainian Parliamentary Commissioner for Human Rights...

In an interview published by a Ukrainian news outlet, Denisova admitted that her falsehoods had achieved their intended goal.

“When, for example, I spoke in the Italian parliament at the Committee on International Affairs, I heard and saw such fatigue from Ukraine, you know? I talked about terrible things in order to somehow push them to make the decisions that Ukraine and the Ukrainian people need,” she said.

Denisova noted that Italy’s Five Star Movement was originally “against the provision of weapons to us, but after [her] speech, one of the party leaders… said that they will support [us], including by the provision of weapons.”

... repeatedly amplified by legacy media outlets like CNN and the Washington Post.

MORE, with links to original article, here
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ousted-ukrainian-official-break
s-silence-admits-she-lied-about-mass-rape-russians

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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, June 9, 2022 8:20 PM (P)

Always a coin toss as to whether you're lying or stupid.

For example, based on what you quoted from Zerohedge (interesting name).

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ousted Ukrainian Official Breaks Silence, Admits She Lied About Mass Rape By Russians To Garner More Aid/Arms

And yet nothing in your quote has her saying, "I lied about mass rape..."

She said, "I talked about terrible things..." like the things that happen in war? Not a lie.

Quote:
In an interview published by a Ukrainian news outlet, Denisova admitted that her falsehoods had achieved their intended goal.

Like you! Kissing cousins maybe?

Quote:
“When, for example, I spoke in the Italian parliament at the Committee on International Affairs, I heard and saw such fatigue from Ukraine, you know? I talked about terrible things in order to somehow push them to make the decisions that Ukraine and the Ukrainian people need,” she said.

Yeaaaah, and soooooo....

Quote:
Denisova noted that Italy’s Five Star Movement was originally “against the provision of weapons to us, but after [her] speech, one of the party leaders… said that they will support [us], including by the provision of weapons.”

Great job! Russia does the same. But usually fails.

Quote:
... repeatedly amplified by legacy media outlets like CNN and the Washington Post.

Yep - it's called news. That's what they do. At least they don't make sht up from the start like Fux.

Anyway... another useless diversion from Ziggy, debunked.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, June 9, 2022 8:23 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Do you know what "retaliatory" means??

Retaliating for what? Ukraine being more affluent than Russka? There are numerous posts and communications from regular army Russians who can't believe how much better every day Ukrainians live than they do. They spend much of their time looting from over run villages. Look what they value!

Japan is actually making these miniatures now:

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, June 9, 2022 8:30 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Not "Putin". The Security Council.

Are you suggesting Putie is no longer in charge?

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
But... yep! They predicted it. That's why Russia didn't push the issue until their hypersonic missiles and "dead man's hand" Poseidon retaliatory nukes were deployed.

Man, for someone who says military things "bore me to tears," you sure do know your Russian armaments!

So all of this wasn't about Nazis??

It's to get an excuse to start a nuclear war?? Genius! All that oil and gas they have - the only thing that makes them a viable country - would be useless in the event of a nuke exchange! Brilliant!

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, June 9, 2022 8:32 PM (P)

How much did you pay for gas today, Cap'n?

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SIGNYM

Thursday, June 9, 2022 10:50 PM (P)

CAPON- you think you're being clever playing your usual word-twisting game, but it only makes you look sneaky and stupid. For paid troll, you're not doing very well.

Quote:
CAPON: Are you suggesting Putie is no longer in charge?

Putin IS in charge, but he's not the dictator that you imagine.

Quote:
SignyM:
But... yep! They predicted it. That's why Russia didn't push the issue until their hypersonic missiles and "dead man's hand" Poseidon retaliatory nukes were deployed.

CAPON:Man, for someone who says military things "bore me to tears," you sure do know your Russian armaments!

I know someone who is fascinated by cars, planes, and military gear. Unfotunately, I hear about it.

Quote:
So all of this wasn't about Nazis??

It was, an always has been, about Russian security. You mustbe stupid as THUGR.

Quote:
CAPON: It's to get an excuse to start a nuclear war?? Genius! All that oil and gas they have - the only thing that makes them a viable country - would be useless in the event of a nuke exchange! Brilliant!

Yep! Stupid as THUGR.

I'll ask you the same ? I asked him: Do you know the meaning of the word "retaliatory"? Apparently not!
Like I suggested to THUGR: Go consult a dictionary. Preferably one that uses little words to explain big ones. The word is currently beyond your grasp.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, June 9, 2022 10:57 PM (P)

Oh, I see you made a POINT of looking stupid!

Quote:
CAPON: Retaliating for what?

Retaliatory for a "first strike" nuclear attack on Russia.

Your stupidity is unfathonable! That's the point of a "dead man's hand" trigger. Look it up. I can't be bothered to explain to someone who insists in being an ignoramus.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:16 PM (P)

Quote:
CAPON: Always a coin toss as to whether you're lying or stupid.
For example, based on what you quoted from Zerohedge (interesting name).

It's about investing. Haven't you ever heard of "hedging" a market?

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ousted Ukrainian Official Breaks Silence, Admits She Lied About Mass Rape By Russians To Garner More Aid/Arms

CAPON: And yet nothing in your quote has her saying, "I lied about mass rape..."

Well then

Quote:
ARTICLE:
Parliament member Pavlo Frolov specifically accused Denisova of pushing misinformation = lying
details of ‘unnatural sexual offenses’ and child sexual abuses in the occupied territories, which were unsupported by evidence.” = she lied
her claims about mass rape were false = she lied

Perhaps if you were attempting to comprehend the article instead of denying it?

Quote:
ARTICLE: In an interview published by a Ukrainian news outlet, Denisova admitted that her falsehoods had achieved their intended goal.

CAPON: Like you! Kissing cousins maybe

Unlike you, I don't lie.

Quote:
ARTICLE: Denisova noted that Italy’s Five Star Movement was originally “against the provision of weapons to us, but after [her] speech, one of the party leaders… said that they will support [us], including by the provision of weapons.”

CAPON: Great job! Russia does the same. But usually fails.

Oh, you mean Russia lies to get help from the west?

Quote:
ARTICLE: ... repeatedly amplified by legacy media outlets like CNN and the Washington Post.

CAPON: Yep - it's called news.

Repeating fabrications without verification is called "news" in the west?
I thought that was called "propaganda".
You must be defending your "paid disinformation" profession.

Gotta tell you, when you insist that the word "lie" is missing when its synonyms are there, you look like you're grasping at straws.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:25 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I don't care how much gibberish you post, SECOND, it's not worth reading.
You gave a succinct explanation why wars are fought.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
HAHAHAHA!
Because you're so ANTIWAR.

Doesn't it get kind of noisy in there, with all of those contradictory ideas fighting inside your head?

You were NEVER an engineer.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

Signym, in every construction project I have worked on there has been at least one contractor who won't follow the design. Negotiating will not get that contractor to do the job correctly. If that stupid contractor is allowed to continue working at the construction site, the project will be a failure. What does the construction supervisor do with a contractor like that? Fire them.

Some of the crazy & stupid contractors will not go away quietly when told they are fired. They have to be physically kicked off the project because words between them and the construction supervisor do not change their terrible behavior. The supervisor doesn't psychoanalyze contractors to discover why the contractor is failing. Maybe the contractor has a drug problem. Maybe drinking. Maybe the contractor is in the middle of a divorce. Whatever it is, the construction supervisor wants that idiotic contractor to never come back. If the supervisor has to call the police, the contractor is getting thrown in jail or shot dead.

The Russians are those crazy & idiotic contractors who have to forced out of the construction site because talking to them does not change them. The Ukrainians don't want to know what mental problems made the Russians into dangerous assholes. But if the Russians won't leave voluntarily, they will be killed.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:43 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I don't care how much gibberish you post, SECOND, it's not worth reading.

SECOND: You gave a succinct explanation why wars are fought.

SIGNYM: HAHAHAHA!
Because you're so ANTIWAR.
Doesn't it get kind of noisy in there, with all of those contradictory ideas fighting inside your head?

You were NEVER an engineer.

SECOND: Signym, in every construction project I have worked on there has been at least one contractor who won't follow the design.

That's not the point. You CLAIM to have been a design engineer who worked hard to make "fail safe" systems.
But your thinking is so disorganized, so self-contradictory, full of obvious falsehoods, and failing to connect cause and effect, it's hard to believe that you could marshall your brain long enuf to actually complete even a booby-trappd design.

You wouldn't be much of a writer, either. Same problem: you couldn't possibly construct a plausible story-line, bc you can't construct one with your own posts.

Please try to apply logic to your thinking and weed out the obvious falsehoods and internal contradictions. It'll make you a better poster.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:47 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Your stupidity is unfathonable!

Emglish, please!

You really are a clowm.

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:49 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Your stupidity is unfathonable!

Emglish, please!

You really are a clowm.

UnfathoMable.
And now you're a typo-Nazi bc you can't address the point?
That's pretty weak.
MORE grasping at straws.
Try something more substantive.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:51 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Putin IS in charge, but he's not the dictator that you imagine.

Tell us more.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Like I suggested to THUGR: Go comsult a dictiomary. Preferably ome that uses little words to explaim big ones. The word is curremtly beyomd your grasp.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:53 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Your stupidity is unfathonable!

Emglish, please!

You really are a clowm.

UnfathoMable.
And now you're a typo-Nazi bc you can't address the point?
That's pretty weak.
MORE grasping at straws.
Try something more substantive.

Honestly - mockery and pointing out spelling errors is all your posts are worth. Same sht, different day.

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:54 PM (P)

Call me if anyone interesting shows up.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:55 PM (P)

Quote:
CAPON:

Honestly - mockery and pointing out spelling errors is all your posts are worth. Same sht, different day.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Friday, June 10, 2022 3:44 AM (P)

Russian president Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that it was his “destiny” to “return and fortify” territories, much like it had been for Peter I, Russia’s first emperor.

Putin made the comments, which provide some insight into how he perceives Russia’s actions in Ukraine, on the 350th anniversary of the birthday of Peter I, also known as Peter the Great.

“Peter the Great returned territories and fortified them. This destiny has also fallen to us,” Putin said.

Putin also noted that Peter I fought the Great Northern War, a battle that ran between 1700 and 1721 for a full 21 years, and “where it may seem that he was fighting against Sweden, and seizing lands . . . He wasn’t seizing anything. He was actually returning” lands that Russia had lost.

Putin added that it was not possible to box in or fence off a country such as Russia, the state Tass news agency reported. Russia, he said, had no intention of boxing itself in either.

https://www.ft.com/content/d16aafd1-9c3f-4c23-b967-467ca18f97ce

Putin and Peter I share mental derangement: During the early years of his rule, there was a revolt of guardsmen that was suppressed mercilessly. Peter the Great beheaded five of the guardsmen himself out of the thousands that were executed for treason. Peter had no favourites when it came to punishment. Even his son and heir was imprisoned and tortured. During his trial, Peter carried out the cruel questioning himself, and his son was sentenced to death, but died in his cell before the sentence could be carried out.

https://theculturetrip.com/europe/russia/articles/the-most-controversi
al-tsar-in-russian-history/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Friday, June 10, 2022 5:59 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Please try to apply logic to your thinking and weed out the obvious falsehoods and internal contradictions. It'll make you a better poster.

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Russia is drafting 134,000. Logic says that Russia is approaching 134,000 dead/wounded in Ukraine, and these new bodies are replacements for dead/wounded soldiers. Here is the news story:

Russia has converted a meatpacking plant in the occupied Ukrainian city of Melitopol into a morgue that is now "completely filled" with the bodies of killed Russian servicemen, according to a report issued Thursday by the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine's Defense Ministry.

The directorate said that Melitopol's Russian "occupation administration" is now urgently trying to source more freezers and industrial refrigerators to store its dead because the meatpacking plant can't fit additional bodies.

Russia's purported efforts to find enough storage for the overwhelming numbers of the dead came as Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree Thursday ordering more than 134,000 new conscripts into the army. Russia's Defense Ministry denied that the conscripts had been drafted for the Russia-Ukraine War.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-fills-ukraine-meatpacking-plant-bodies
-dead-soldiers-report-1714419

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Friday, June 10, 2022 8:17 AM (P)

Quote:
SECOND Russia is drafting 134,000. Logic says that Russia is approaching 134,000 dead/wounded in Ukraine, and these new bodies are replacements for dead/wounded soldiers. Here is the news story:

Russia has converted a meatpacking plant in the occupied Ukrainian city of Melitopol into a morgue that is now "completely filled" with the bodies of killed Russian servicemen, according to a report issued Thursday by the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine's Defense Ministry.

Heheheh

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, June 10, 2022 8:38 AM (P)

How much did you pay for gas today, Cap'n?

I see you two dumb shits didn't post at all outside of the Russian threads today.

Lots of other things going on that people actually care about.

R.I.P Democratic Party.

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SECOND

Friday, June 10, 2022 9:11 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:

Heheheh

Russia has not needed to release a revised death toll since March 25, when 1,351 Russian soldiers and officers had been killed in Ukraine, because none died since then. https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ban-military-casualties/31887084.html

Bad soldiers (that's Russians) survive battles only because of dumb luck. Good soldiers (that's Americans) die in battle only when the enemy gets lucky. You can see the proof of that (at least for America, there are no figures for Russia) in American military deaths. The USA fights all over the world, and killed a million or more, but an American soldier is 3 times more likely to die while back in the USA than while they are fighting overseas:

Trends in Active-Duty Military Deaths Since 2006

Between 2006 and 2021, a total of 18,571 active-duty personnel have died while serving in the U.S. Armed Forces. Of those 18,571 deaths, approximately 13,969 service members have died in circumstances unrelated to Overseas Contingency Operations since 2006. The details are here: https://sgp.fas.org/crs/natsec/IF10899.pdf

Russia does not publicize a count of their dead soldiers, probably for the same reason as 27 million Russians died in WWII. The Kremlin need not count dead because deaths are unimportant and dull statistics, not tragedies. There so many excess millions of Russian peasants and none of them are worth the effort by Putin to keep track of when they die.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, June 10, 2022 9:19 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Bad soldiers (that's Russians) survive battles only because of dumb luck. Good soldiers (that's Americans) die in battle only when the enemy gets lucky.

For a guy who was in Nam, you don't appear to know much about Nam.

hmmmmmmmmmm

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SECOND

Friday, June 10, 2022 9:23 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
How much did you pay for gas today, Cap'n?

I see you two dumb shits didn't post at all outside of the Russian threads today.

Lots of other things going on that people actually care about.

R.I.P Democratic Party.

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You should buy the stocks of oil companies instead of buying gasoline. Capitalism is a wondrous thing, but only for Capitalists, not for consumers of gasoline. The story from Britain, where Democrats have zero control: Refineries cash in as gasoline prices soar. Gasoline prices are at an all-time high though the oil price remains well below record levels.

Wednesday saw the fastest rise in petrol prices for seventeen years, and on Thursday the cost of filling a typical family car passed £100 for the first time, piling costs on motorists. That has lead to billions of pounds of extra profit for oil producers, and led the UK government to impose a £5bn windfall tax on North Sea oil producers. “The refiners are printing money at the moment,” says Neil Crosby, senior analyst at the data firm OilX. “More than they have ever witnessed.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61750251

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, June 10, 2022 9:40 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
How much did you pay for gas today, Cap'n?

I see you two dumb shits didn't post at all outside of the Russian threads today.

Lots of other things going on that people actually care about.

R.I.P Democratic Party.

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You should buy the stocks of oil companies instead of buying gasoline. Capitalism is a wondrous thing, but only for Capitalists, not for consumers of gasoline.

Heard it before.

"Don't be Poor".

Not a winning message.

R.I.P. Democrats

Oh... P.S. to everyone else. Don't listen to Second about buying oil stocks now.

You'd be like those poor schmucks who bought Netflix when it was over $600.

Second is not rich. Second can barely wipe his own ass. Do not take financial advice from people who can't wipe their own ass.

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SECOND

Friday, June 10, 2022 9:55 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Bad soldiers (that's Russians) survive battles only because of dumb luck. Good soldiers (that's Americans) die in battle only when the enemy gets lucky.

For a guy who was in Nam, you don't appear to know much about Nam.

hmmmmmmmmmm

58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties in the Vietnam War. The other side? 3 million. I'd explain that the ratio of deaths on one side to other side shows that one side didn't know what the hell they were doing because their strategy was to pile up dead Vietnamese until the USA got disgusted and quit but you'd be too stupid to understand. Russia had 27 million dead in WWII versus Germany's 7 million dead (where America killed at least half of them) which showed that Russians didn't know what the hell they were doing other than to throw another million dead Russians at Germany. The US Army saved Russia's stupid Army from being annihilated by Germany, a far smaller nation. Signym couldn't understand that Russians were deeply incompetent fighters. How many Americans died? A few hundred thousand, not Russia's 27 million peasants, almost worthless in a fight because they fought with greater stupidity than any other nation in history.

Fortunately for Russia, Ukraine has an even smaller population than Germany. And Ukrainians aren't as smart fighters as Germans. Russia could win, given enough time and enough dead Russians hurled at the Ukrainians. It worked in WWII. That deeply stupid Russian strategy could work again.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, June 10, 2022 8:41 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Bad soldiers (that's Russians) survive battles only because of dumb luck. Good soldiers (that's Americans) die in battle only when the enemy gets lucky.

For a guy who was in Nam, you don't appear to know much about Nam.

hmmmmmmmmmm
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties in the Vietnam War. The other side? 3 million.

Good job.

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SECOND

Saturday, June 11, 2022 1:27 AM (P)

Russia's attack on Ukraine has become a war of artillery, and Ukraine is at risk of losing, according to the deputy head of Ukrainian military intelligence.

Vadym Skibitsky told The Guardian in an interview published Friday that Ukraine is now heavily reliant on weapons provided by the West in its counteroffensive against Russia. Russia, meanwhile, currently outranks Ukraine in terms of artillery supplies, according to the official.

"Everything now depends on what [the West] gives us," Skibitsky said. "Ukraine has one artillery piece to 10 to 15 Russian artillery pieces. Our Western partners have given us about 10 percent of what they have."

While there are indications that neither Russia nor Ukraine is currently poised to score a decisive victory in the conflict, Skibitsky's comments indicate that weapons, or a lack thereof, may serve as a tipping point in the ongoing "artillery war." Maps with assessments of territorial control in Ukraine, which are shared daily by the Institute for the Study of War, show that Russia and Ukraine have only been gaining and losing land in small increments in recent weeks.

Skibitsky told The Guardian that Ukraine is using between 5,000 and 6,000 artillery rounds every day. They have nearly run out of their own 152 mm-caliber artillery ammunition and are using NATO-standard 155 mm-caliber shells, he said.

Skibitsky said that even Ukraine's Western arms suppliers are beginning to run low on stock.

"Europe is also delivering lower-caliber shells but as Europe runs out, the amount is getting smaller," he said.

While Ukraine barrels through its ammunition and arms supplies, it is also reportedly seeing heavy daily losses in terms of manpower. An aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told the BBC this week that 100 to 200 Ukrainian troops are being killed every day on the war's front line.

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-risks-losing-artillery-war-russia-vad
ym-skibitsky-military-intelligence-1714782

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/10/were-almost-out-of-ammun
ition-and-relying-on-western-arms-says-ukraine

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/10/ukraine-casualty-rate-ru
ssia-war-tipping-point

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Saturday, June 11, 2022 4:55 AM (P)

Russia should feel great pride in its military. The strategy for having more of everything is brilliant.

SECOND

Saturday, June 11, 2022 5:50 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
Russia should feel great pride in its military. The strategy for having more of everything is brilliant.

NATO has some really cool tools to handle exactly this situation, but those aren't being used.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 11, 2022 5:51 AM (P)

Nobody gives one single shit about Russia or Ukraine.

How much did you pay for gas today, Cap'n?

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SECOND

Saturday, June 11, 2022 6:00 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody gives one single shit about Russia or Ukraine.

How much did you pay for gas today, Cap'n?

6ix cares because he has written the same line a dozen times.

By the way, 6ix, high price natural gas and gasoline are very good, but just not for angry poor white trash. That is free market capitalism at its best -- taking from the poor, giving to the rich.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Saturday, June 11, 2022 6:39 AM (P)

Kyiv was founded in 482.

In 1147, the Grand Duke of Kyiv and ruler of the Kyivan Rus’, Yuriy Dolhoruky, issued a decree founding Moscow.

In 2022, Kyiv City Council rescinded this decree, saying it was due to a “historical misunderstanding.”

Moscow no longer exists.

https://minbane.wordpress.com/2022/06/10/https-wp-me-p1xtjg-lg3/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 11, 2022 8:26 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody gives one single shit about Russia or Ukraine.

How much did you pay for gas today, Cap'n?
6ix cares because he has written the same line a dozen times.

Nope. I just like cluing you retards in on reality.

Watch what happens in November. I'm a patient man. I'll tell you every day until then that nobody cares so long as you keep pretending otherwise.

Quote:
By the way, 6ix, high price natural gas and gasoline are very good, but just not for angry poor white trash. That is free market capitalism at its best -- taking from the poor, giving to the rich.

I'm not angry. I haven't filled my tank up in a month. The food I happen to buy hasn't even gone up in price either.

Good thing I don't need baby formula and I don't eat tampons, huh?

Oh yeah. And this white trash dude doesn't have rent, a mortgage, credit card debt, school loan debt, a car loan, yada, yada, yada. I'm still easily living off of around $125 per week.

Oh... right. Another thing I don't have is a boss. I'll be celebrating the 3rd anniversary of that in less than two weeks from today.

How was work today, honey?

Democrats are done buddy. Fuck Russia. Fuck Ukraine.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 11, 2022 8:43 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not angry. I haven't filled my tank up in a month. The food I happen to buy hasn't even gone up in price either.

Good thing I don't need baby formula and I don't eat tampons, huh?

Oh yeah. And this white trash dude doesn't have rent, a mortgage, credit card debt, school loan debt, a car loan, yada, yada, yada. I'm still easily living off of around $125 per week.

Oh... right. Another thing I don't have is a boss. I'll be celebrating the 3rd anniversary of that in less than two weeks from today.

How was work today, honey?

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/soaring-gasoline-food-prices-boost-
us-consumer-inflation-may-2022-06-10/

Yup. Don't worry about me, dude. None of this is even impacting me financially.

Worry about the rest of the Americans who couldn't figure out how to balance a budget back when times were good.

And just keep insulting them and telling them "Don't be poor". I'm sure that is going to help your party's chances.

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SECOND

Saturday, June 11, 2022 9:28 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Democrats are done buddy. Fuck Russia. Fuck Ukraine.

Remember the Vietnam War? Win or lose, it made absolutely no difference to me. The War was fought with extreme stupidity by Richard Nixon, but so what? Nixon believed Russia would nuke the USA if North Vietnam was invaded. Nixon lost that war because he was scared of nukes and he compensated by stupidly killing more and more South Vietnamese. Most of the killing should have been happening in NORTH Vietnam, not South. Nixon proved he was a stupid asshole and the people who supported him were assholes, too. Enough time has passed, and economic history, to show that the kind of stupid assholes who voted for Nixon in '72 did not do well in the following 50 years.

I know the people who vote the opposite of what I do and I am not at all surprised that their financial results are the opposite of what I get, too. If that satisfies them, like Nixon satisfied and Trump satisfies them, that is fine with me because their little lives make absolutely no difference to me, not any more than what happened to Vietnam after Nixon.

If Russia conquers Ukraine, like North Vietnam conquered South Vietnam, it makes no difference to me. That would just show that NATO was making bad decisions to let Russia win because NATO believed Putin's empty threats of nuclear war. See what happened in Vietnam when Nixon believed Russia would start a nuclear war if North Vietnam was invaded by land. B-52 bombing ok; land invasion not ok. Mention the magic words "nuclear war" and political cowards crap in their pants and surrender. The cowards don't call it surrendering. Instead, they think they are wise to not send an army across a border into North Vietnam. Very funny how North Vietnam didn't see it as a problem to send an army across into South Vietnam. Or Russia, which can cross a border into Ukraine with its army, but it is very funny that Ukraine can NOT cross the border into Russia with its army without starting a nuclear war. That lack of symmetry at the border makes it much easier for Russia to win.

By the way, Russian hardware can be seen from outer space. NATO would not need to cross a border into Russia to destroy artillery Russia has moved into Ukraine.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 11, 2022 7:01 PM (P)

My god dude. The same dumb shit from you every single day for 5 and a half fucking years.

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SIGNYM

Saturday, June 11, 2022 11:45 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
My god dude. The same dumb shit from you every single day for 5 and a half fucking years.

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Oh, they're going to memory-hole Ukraine pretty soon, and all of the "I'm with Ukraine" herd will dutiflly stampede the next "crisis".

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Saturday, June 11, 2022 11:56 PM (P)

OH LOOK! Time to throw Zelenskiy under the bus!

Quote:
The US Has No Idea Where Its Ukrainian Military Aid Is Going

By Branko Marcetic

US officials just admitted they don’t know where their arms shipments to Ukraine will actually end up, and that they could fall into dangerous hands.

http://auth.jacobinmag.com/2022/04/united-states-military-aid-ukraine-
war-weapons

Quote:
Ukraine leaves US in darkness about military actions
The US government has greater intelligence on Russian troops in Ukraine than on Ukrainian forces, according to The New York Times, citing US sources. According to the publication, Kiev is keeping its main military patron in the dark, potentially even misrepresenting Washington in order to safeguard the substantial flow of American military funding into the nation.

https://menafn.com/1104344668/Ukraine-leaves-US-in-darkness-about-mili
tary-actions

So ... don't blame us, Russia, if Prez Elenskiy strikes Russia!

Quote:
Biden Throws Zelensky Under The Bus: Ukraine Leader 'Brushed Off' Invasion Warnings
Saturday, Jun 11, 2022 - 06:55 AM

President Joe Biden on Friday told a donors conference in Los Angeles, California on the sidelines of the Summit of the Americas that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky brushed aside US warnings saying a Russian invasion of Ukraine was imminent. He described the situation ahead of the Feb.24 invasion and his communications with Zelensky, according to The Associated Press:

"Nothing like this has happened since World War II. I know a lot of people thought I was maybe exaggerating," Biden said, according to the outlet. He added the US had data that showed Russian President Vladimir Putin was going to invade.

"There was no doubt," Biden continued. "And Zelenskyy didn't want to hear it."

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-throws-zelensky-under-bus
-ukraine-leader-brushed-invasion-warnings

So, don't blame Joe* when shit goes pear-shaped!

Even Ukraine is getting into the "blame game"!

Quote:
Ukraine Fears It Might Lose Western Support Over "War Fatigue"
Saturday, Jun 11, 2022 - 08:30 AM
Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,

As the war in Ukraine drags on, Ukrainian officials fear that Kyiv might lose some Western support due to "war fatigue," The Associated Press reported on Friday.

The US and its allies have committed billions of dollars in weapons, but some Western European leaders have been calling for a negotiated solution to end the fighting, an idea Ukrainian officials have rejected.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-fears-it-might-lose-wes
tern-support-over-war-fatigue

Kissinger (at Davos) called for negotiations in Ukraine. Biden* hinted at a negotiated settlement in a NYT editorial.

All of this has the appearance of "backing away slowly" from what is beginning to be recognized as a clusterfuck.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 12, 2022 3:12 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
My god dude. The same dumb shit from you every single day for 5 and a half fucking years.

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Just wanted to add-

Someone said that SECOND once posted "I found out the only thing I was good at was killing people" ... or words to that effect.

SECOND's lesson from Vietnam wasn't that you shouldn't wage stupid wars, but that you should wage stupid wars better!!!. Which means killing more efficiently with fewer munitions

If that quote is true (and seriously, that level of self-honesty from SECOND is unheard-of) when the only tool in your personal toolkit is murder, then killing is solution to everything.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, June 12, 2022 4:13 AM (P)

It seems to me that War was fought without objective

I have yet to hear the goals explained to me

if there was a War against Asian Barbary Pirates hijacking American ships taking them hostage, then it would have an objective
if there was a War to kill Hitler, blow up Hitler's base on the Moon and or remove the German Fascist Nazis from France stopping it from expanding to British shores and defeat Germany, that means it had an objective
if there was a Real war to fight a Communist North and establish a 38th parallel which divides a Democratic South Korean people from North that is still an objective

People going to their Deaths in Nam went there for no reason, less life was lost in new battle in Afghanistan but it was also a War without purpose...in a ways I agree with the Biden withdraw not the way it was done looked bad, once bin Laden was captured and killed from Pakistan, what was the reason for all that lost blood and treasure? Also What is Yemen for? What is the purpose to all those Civil Wars in Africa during the ColdWar?
I am also unsure as to what happened in Syria 2014–present ...to get rid of Assad when some of the other protestors and shooters were ISIS? Or is Assad now a 'good guy'?
I suppose one positive is the genocide of Yezidi was prevented.

Russia will probably have another Afghanistan in Ukraine, Russian men with bodies broken their minds damaged for nothing perhaps, refugees on the move again, meanwhile the mom at home suffers, global food prices and oil prices will suffer.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 12, 2022 10:05 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
My god dude. The same dumb shit from you every single day for 5 and a half fucking years.

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Just wanted to add-

Someone said that SECOND once posted "I found out the only thing I was good at was killing people" ... or words to that effect.

SECOND's lesson from Vietnam wasn't that you shouldn't wage stupid wars, but that you should wage stupid wars better!!!. Which means killing more efficiently with fewer munitions

If that quote is true (and seriously, that level of self-honesty from SECOND is unheard-of) when the only tool in your personal toolkit is murder, then killing is solution to everything.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

I can't say if that was a quote of his or not. Either it happened before I stopped drinking or I just missed it if it was after I sobered up.

It doesn't seem to be something he'd outright admit to, but I have gotten him to go off script when I get him on tilt so maybe.

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SECOND

Sunday, June 12, 2022 5:43 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:

Just wanted to add-

Someone said that SECOND once posted "I found out the only thing I was good at was killing people" ... or words to that effect.

SECOND's lesson from Vietnam wasn't that you shouldn't wage stupid wars, but that you should wage stupid wars better!!!. Which means killing more efficiently with fewer munitions

If that quote is true (and seriously, that level of self-honesty from SECOND is unheard-of) when the only tool in your personal toolkit is murder, then killing is solution to everything.

What I noticed during the Vietnam War and ever since is that the kind of people who supported Nixon or Trump can create new Truths almost as fast as they can speak. Putin can, too. He created a new Truth about Ukraine. His TV networks spread his new Truth:

Russian President Vladimir Putin paid tribute to Tsar Peter the Great on the 350th anniversary of his birth on Thursday, claiming that modern Russia is once again on a historic quest “to return and fortify” its lost lands. Temporarily erasing any doubt about the true motivation of his invasion of neighboring Ukraine, Putin told an audience of technology students in Moscow that the lot of re-conquering Russia’s former territories fell to their generation.

Russian state television pundits who asserted for months that the “special military operation” was never about occupying any of the Ukrainian territories have changed their tune in the blink of an eye, brushing aside the legend of the mythical Nazis in charge of Ukraine’s government, as well as complaints about “NATO enlargement”.

I wish Putin had said "Believe me" when revealing the new Truth about his Ukraine War. That way we'd know he really means it, this time, unlike previous times. This is final Truth, not some interim Truth before the final Truth.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-cronies-say-putin-is-ready-to-go
-full-kim-jong-un

If I was a European I would be concerned about how big a chunk of Europe Putin will conquer when I google 'how big was the empire of peter the great'. I might be concerned enough to send NATO into Ukraine. Since Putin sent the Russian Army into Ukraine, he opened the borders of Ukraine. If NATO does what Putin already did to Ukraine, it would only be fair.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Sunday, June 12, 2022 7:11 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I can't say if that was a quote of his or not. Either it happened before I stopped drinking or I just missed it if it was after I sobered up.

It doesn't seem to be something he'd outright admit to, but I have gotten him to go off script when I get him on tilt so maybe.

That is not a quote from me. Here is a quote from a person using his real name because he is concerned about Putin's intentions:

“We need to make sure that NATO is able and prepared to respond effectively and calibrated to the threats it faces,” Romanian President Klaus Iohannis told reporters after Friday’s meeting. “The alliance needs to be able to defend every inch of its territory.” BY THE WAY, Romania is an inch of NATO territory.

If Iohannis was thinking clearer, he would tell NATO to make its move before Russia crosses an inch into Romania. A convenient place for NATO to practice its moves would be in Ukraine because Ukraine has asked for NATO to practice on Russians who wandered into Ukraine. The Russian soldiers would not agree but they tacitly gave permission for anybody who wants, including NATO, to kill Russians as long as they are on the wrong side of border, inside Ukraine.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-klaus-iohannis-bulgaria-buch
arest-419787bd3b22492102124586393d8892

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 12, 2022 7:31 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I can't say if that was a quote of his or not. Either it happened before I stopped drinking or I just missed it if it was after I sobered up.

It doesn't seem to be something he'd outright admit to, but I have gotten him to go off script when I get him on tilt so maybe.
That is not a quote from me.

You saying so doesn't prove anything. I've got far worse out of you archived.

I still know you're a murderer, Arthur.

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SIGNYM

Sunday, June 12, 2022 11:28 PM (P)

Quote:
SignyM:
Just wanted to add-
Someone said that SECOND once posted "I found out the only thing I was good at was killing people" ... or words to that effect.
SECOND's lesson from Vietnam wasn't that you shouldn't wage stupid wars, but that you should wage stupid wars better!!!. Which means killing more efficiently with fewer munitions
If that quote is true (and seriously, that level of self-honesty from SECOND is unheard-of) when the only tool in your personal toolkit is murder, then killing is solution to everything.

SECOND: What I noticed during the Vietnam War ... is that the kind of people who supported Nixon ... can create new Truths almost as fast as they can speak.

That describes you, hon. YOU supported Nixon, n'est ce pas?

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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Monday, June 13, 2022 4:39 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I wish Putin had said "Believe me" when revealing the new Truth about his Ukraine War. That way we'd know he really means it, this time, unlike previous times. This is final Truth, not some interim Truth before the final Truth.

Old Russian saying: "Truth is for weaklings with no imagination." Lying is truly freeing - you can say anything you want when you are unrestrained by facts and Truth. For instance, Claims made by the Multimedia Museum of History in Yaroslavl, Russia.

1. The Latin alphabet is Russian.

2. Christopher Columbus was a Russian.

3. Genghis Khan was a Russin.

Bonus: South America was discovered and colonized by the Russians.

These are the people the world is dealing with

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, June 13, 2022 9:51 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
These are the people the world is dealing with

Correction: These are the people that YOU are dealing with because the Legacy Media lives rent free inside your head.

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SECOND

Monday, June 13, 2022 2:45 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

That describes you, hon. YOU supported Nixon, n'est ce pas?

And Putin's Prime Minister supported Putin, until he didn't:

He was Vladimir Putin’s first prime minister but Mikhail Kasyanov never in his worst nightmares imagined that his former boss would unleash a full-scale war on Ukraine.

Speaking to Agence France-Presse in a video interview, Kasyanov, Russia’s prime minister from 2000 to 2004, said he expected the war could last up to two years but he was convinced Russia could return to a democratic path.

The 64-year-old, who championed close ties with the West as prime minister, said that, like many other Russians, he did not believe in the weeks ahead of the war that it would actually happen.

Kasyanov only understood that Putin was not bluffing when he saw him summon the country’s top leadership for a theatrical meeting of the security council three days before the invasion on February 24.

“When I saw the meeting of Russia’s Security Council I realised, yes, there will be a war,” Kasyanov said.

He added that he felt that Putin was already not thinking properly.

“I just know these people and by looking at them I saw that Putin is already out of it. Not in a medical sense but in political terms,” he said.

“I knew a different Putin.”

After being sacked by Putin, Kasyanov joined Russia’s opposition and became one of the Kremlin’s most vocal critics.

He is now the leader of the opposition People’s Freedom party, or Parnas.

Kasyanov said Putin, a former KGB agent who turns 70 in October, has managed over the past 20 years to build a system based on impunity and fear.

“These are the achievements of a system that, with the encouragement of Putin as head of state, has started operating even in a more cynical, cruel manner than in the final stages of the Soviet Union,” he said.

“Essentially, this is a KGB system based on complete lawlessness. It is clear that they do not expect any punishment.”

Kasyanov said he had left Russia because of the war and was living in Europe but he declined to disclose his location out of concern for his safety. His close ally and fellow opposition politician Boris Nemtsov was gunned down near the Kremlin in 2015. Putin’s best-known critic Alexei Navalny, 46, was poisoned with a nerve agent in 2020 and is now in prison.

Kasyanov predicted the war could last for up to two years and said it is imperative that Ukraine win.

“If Ukraine falls, the Baltic states will be next,” he said.

The outcome of the war will also determine Russia’s future, he said.

Kasyanov said he “categorically” disagreed with French President Emmanuel Macron’s suggestion that Putin should not be humiliated.

He also rebuffed calls for Ukraine to cede territory to end the war.

“What has Putin done to deserve this?” he said. “This is an overly pragmatic position.

“I believe this is wrong and hope that the West won’t go down that path.”

Kasyanov believes Putin will eventually be replaced by a “quasi-successor” controlled by the security services. But a successor would not be able to control the system for long and eventually Russia will stage free and fair elections, the former prime minister said.

“I am certain that Russia will return to the path of building a democratic state,” he said.

He estimated it would take about a decade to conduct “de-Communisation” and “de-Putinisation” of the country.

“This will be difficult, especially after this criminal war.”

He said trust would have to be re-established with European countries, which he called Russia’s “natural partners”.

Critics have in the past accused the Russian opposition of being hopelessly divided but Kasyanov said he was confident things would now be different.

“I have no doubt that now, after the tragedy that we are all witnessing, the opposition will unite.”

Russians will face a huge task rebuilding their country, he said.

“Everything will have to be rebuilt anew. Essentially, an entire set of economic and social r

SECOND

Monday, June 13, 2022 3:41 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I wish Putin had said "Believe me" when revealing the new Truth about his Ukraine War. That way we'd know he really means it, this time, unlike previous times. This is final Truth, not some interim Truth before the final Truth.

Old Russian saying: "Truth is for weaklings with no imagination." Lying is truly freeing - you can say anything you want when you are unrestrained by facts and Truth. For instance, Claims made by the Multimedia Museum of History in Yaroslavl, Russia.

1. The Latin alphabet is Russian.

2. Christopher Columbus was a Russian.

3. Genghis Khan was a Russian.

Bonus: South America was discovered and colonized by the Russians.

These are the people the world is dealing with

I was thinking you were kidding. But later I decided to look it up. My short research explains so much about Russia:

1. Multimedia museum of the new chronology, Yaroslavl, Russia.
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/tzuuun/multimedia_
museum_of_the_new_chronology_yaroslavl/

2. The Multimedia Museum of The New Chronology
https://privatemuseums.ru/en/about/project-geography/yaroslavl-oblast/
the-multimedia-museum-of-the-new-chronology/

3. The new chronology is a pseudohistorical conspiracy theory proposed by Anatoly Fomenko.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_chronology_(Fomenko)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Monday, June 13, 2022 5:48 PM (P)

Relatives of Russian soldiers who died in Ukraine are reluctant to talk to the media. After Vladimir Putin signed a law saying that spreading “fake news” about the Russian military can lead to up to 15 years of prison, it has become unclear what information can or can’t be shared. Also, families might be afraid that if they speak out, they won’t get compensation: The family of a fallen soldier is entitled to a payment of at least 7.4 million rubles (about $120,000). “The government is obliged to pay this money. However, to get it, families have to submit many documents. In Russian reality, this process turns into begging different officials to sign papers, so it seems that it depends on their mercy, though it doesn’t. So, relatives are afraid that they will offend officials with any public actions, and authorities won’t give them what they owe,” says Krivenko.

. . . many don’t comment because they understand that the special operation is “unfair, illegal and pointless,” says Krivenko. “Saying it out loud and processing it will mean that the troop died for nothing. This is incredibly hard to bear.”

https://slate.com/technology/2022/06/russian-soldiers-ukraine-families
.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Monday, June 13, 2022 8:59 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I was thinking you were kidding. But later I decided to look it up. My short research explains so much about Russia.

If you haven't already check out Bill Browder's book, Red Notice.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22609522-red-notice

He used a couple choice Stalin quotes - a few more for fun:

https://www.azquotes.com/author/13993-Joseph_Stalin

One of my favs:

"Voters decide nothing. Vote counters decide everything!" huh!

"The death of one man is tragic, but the death of thousands is statistic."

"If there is no body, there is no crime."

A regular Russian Yogi Berra

SIGNYM

Monday, June 13, 2022 10:07 PM (P)

Quote:
Russian Forces Seize Center Of Last Holdout City In Luhansk Province
Monday, Jun 13, 2022 - 05:30 AM

On Monday Ukraine's military acknowledged for the first time that Russian forces have taken over the center of the key city of Severodonetsk, considered the last major place of resistance and holdout before pro-Moscow forces take the whole of Luhansk province.

"In the Severodonetsk direction, the enemy, with the support of artillery, carried out assault operations in the city of Severodonetsk, had partial success, pushed our units away from the city center, the fighting continues," the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine announced in a written statement.

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russian-forces-seize-center-last-ho
ldout-city-luhansk-province

Also here
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-seizes-severodonetsk-center-ukraine-wa
r-putin-favor-1715084

Of course, Kiev is asking for more help.

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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

THG

Monday, June 13, 2022 10:33 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Your stupidity is unfathonable!

Emglish, please!

You really are a clowm.

UnfathoMable.
And now you're a typo-Nazi bc you can't address the point?
That's pretty weak.
MORE grasping at straws.
Try something more substantive.

Honestly - mockery and pointing out spelling errors is all your posts are worth. Same sht, different day.

Agreed G, agreed.

T

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Tuesday, June 14, 2022 12:55 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Of course, Kiev is asking for more help.

Best way to kill the invaders.

SECOND

Tuesday, June 14, 2022 2:04 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Of course, Kiev is asking for more help.

Best way to kill the invaders.

There is particular frustration with Germany for being slow on weapons supply. Six weeks after the Bundestag voted overwhelmingly to send heavy weapons to Ukraine, nothing has been received. Howitzers are expected later this month and Gepard mobile artillery in July.

The anxiety is that slow supply is preventing Ukraine from winning. “If we had all the weapons the Germans had been talking about, we would have kicked out the Russians, Kherson would have been liberated,” Arestovych said – before going on to describe Olaf Scholz’s government as “disgraceful” and accusing the chancellor of trying to engage in a flawed balancing act aimed at not hurting the Russians excessively.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/12/ukraine-fears-western-su
pport-will-fade-as-media-loses-interest-in-the-war

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, June 14, 2022 8:07 AM (P)

How much did you dipshits pay for gas today?

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, June 14, 2022 8:07 AM (P)

Fuck Ukraine.

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 15, 2022 12:28 AM (P)

If you want a daily update of the military status in Ukraine (and I don't, but somebody might) you can go here

Now you can't say you didn't know/weren't told.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

THG

Wednesday, June 15, 2022 3:51 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Of course, Kiev is asking for more help.

Best way to kill the invaders.

G, how funny is it comrade signums' tax dollars are funding the Ukrainian army?

Signym, can_you_see_me_laughing?

T

SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 15, 2022 5:01 AM (P)

Quote:
THUGR: G, how funny is it comrade signums' tax dollars are funding the Ukrainian army?

Oh, so you finally clued in to the fact that I'm American and live in the USA?
Huh

Quote:
Signym, can_you_see_me_laughing?

Just like a hyena?

Well, whatever gets you thru the day!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Wednesday, June 15, 2022 8:32 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If you want a daily update of the military status in Ukraine (and I don't, but somebody might) you can go here

Now you can't say you didn't know/weren't told.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

Did you notice that your link does NOT go anywhere? Therefore you have NOT told anybody anything.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, June 15, 2022 10:05 AM (P)

Fuck Ukraine.

Biden* concurs.

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 15, 2022 10:35 AM (P)

I think you can work your way back to the main channel from here.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Wednesday, June 15, 2022 2:34 PM (P)

Ukraine has received just 10 per cent of the weapons pledged by the West to help Kyiv to fight off the Russian offensive, the deputy defence minister said on Tuesday (June 14).

"No matter how hard Ukraine tries, no matter how professional our army is, without the help of Western partners we will not be able to win this war."

President Volodymyr Zelensky again appealed for heavy weapons from the West, criticising the "restrained behaviour" of some European leaders which he said had "slowed down arms supplies very much".

"I am grateful for what is coming, but it must come faster."

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/ukraine-has-received-10-of-a
rms-pledged-says-defence-ministry

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 15, 2022 3:49 PM (P)

Ah, the "blame game"!
Kiev says they didn't get the weapons they needed (In reality, if they had gotten as many weapons as they asked for, it would have been the equivalent of what they already had, and Russia would have destroyed those, too.)

Our intelligence says they don't know WTF the Kiev army is doing, that they know more about what the Russian Army is doing. (In reality, tactics and strategy were dictated by Washington.)

Biden says Elenskiy "didn't listen" when the USA told him Russia was going to invade imminently. (In reality, Washington used Kiev as a cat's paw to provoke Russia and to provide an excuse for the "monster of all sanctions" war.)

Yep, the finger-pointing and blame-shifting always starts when your side is losing.

Dood, it's all over except the surrender.

What will the neocons do next to distract from the giant military, economic, political, and financial clusterfuck that they landed us into? Start a war with China?

Yeah, THAT'LL help! /snicker

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The point isn't to fight stupid wars better.
The point is not to fight stupid wars at all.

SECOND

Wednesday, June 15, 2022 6:27 PM (P)

Ukraine uses 5,000 to 6,000 artillery rounds a day, while Russia uses 10 times more. (the number of rounds is limited by supply and number of NATO sized 155mm cannons. Ukraine has gone thru its stockpile of rounds for Russian sized 152mm cannons. Ukraine can't fire 155mm rounds that are still in NATO warehouses)

NATO defense ministers attending a two-day meeting starting Wednesday will discuss beefing up weapons supplies to Ukraine.

Zelenskyy pleaded Tuesday for more and faster deliveries of Western arms, specifically asking for anti-missile defense systems.

U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin is hosting a meeting Wednesday of some 50 nations at NATO’s Brussels headquarters to discuss weapons deliveries to Ukraine.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/jens-stoltenberg-ap-nato-ukraine-fi
nland-b2101533.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, June 15, 2022 9:10 PM (P)

Awwwwwww....

Nobody in Europe cares either.

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 15, 2022 10:28 PM (P)

Gosh. Maybe they shouldn't have picked a fight with Russia.

When prices go up more, I'll bet we'll be wishing the same thing

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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Wednesday, June 15, 2022 10:56 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Gosh. Maybe they shouldn't have picked a fight with Russia.

Putin said he picked a fight with Ukraine, which is the exact opposite of what you wrote:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-24/full-transcript-vla
dimir-putin-s-televised-address-to-russia-on-ukraine-feb-24

February 24, 2022, 6:07 AM CST

President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Citizens of Russia, friends,

I consider it necessary today to speak again about the tragic events in Donbass and the key aspects of ensuring the security of Russia.

I will begin with what I said in my address on February 21, 2022. I spoke about our biggest concerns and worries, and about the fundamental threats which irresponsible Western politicians created for Russia consistently, rudely and unceremoniously from year to year. I am referring to the eastward expansion of NATO, which is moving its military infrastructure ever closer to the Russian border.

It is a fact that over the past 30 years we have been patiently trying to come to an agreement with the leading NATO countries regarding the principles of equal and indivisible security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we invariably faced either cynical deception and lies or attempts at pressure and blackmail, while the North Atlantic alliance continued to expand despite our protests and concerns. Its military machine is moving and, as I said, is approaching our very border.

Why is this happening? Where did this insolent manner of talking down from the height of their exceptionalism, infallibility and all-permissiveness come from? What is the explanation for this contemptuous and disdainful attitude to our interests and absolutely legitimate demands?

The answer is simple. Everything is clear and obvious. In the late 1980s, the Soviet Union grew weaker and subsequently broke apart. That experience should serve as a good lesson for us, because it has shown us that the paralysis of power and will is the first step towards complete degradation and oblivion. We lost confidence for only one moment, but it was enough to disrupt the balance of forces in the world.

As a result, the old treaties and agreements are no longer effective. Entreaties and requests do not help. Anything that does not suit the dominant state, the powers that be, is denounced as archaic, obsolete and useless. At the same time, everything it regards as useful is presented as the ultimate truth and forced on others regardless of the cost, abusively and by any means available. Those who refuse to comply are subjected to strong-arm tactics.

What I am saying now does not concerns only Russia, and Russia is not the only country that is worried about this. This has to do with the entire system of international relations, and sometimes even US allies. The collapse of the Soviet Union led to a redivision of the world, and the norms of international law that developed by that time – and the most important of them, the fundamental norms that were adopted following WWII and largely formalised its outcome – came in the way of those who declared themselves the winners of the Cold War.

Of course, practice, international relations and the rules regulating them had to take into account the changes that took place in the world and in the balance of forces. However, this should have been done professionally, smoothly, patiently, and with due regard and respect for the interests of all states and one’s own responsibility. Instead, we saw a state of euphoria created by the feeling of absolute superiority, a kind of modern absolutism, coupled with the low cultural standards and arrogance of those who formulated and pushed through decisions that suited only themselves. The situation took a different turn.

There are many examples of this. First a bloody military operation was waged against Belgrade, without the UN Security Council’s sanction but with combat aircraft and missiles used in the heart of Europe. The bombing of peaceful cities and vital infrastructure went on for several weeks. I

SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 15, 2022 11:52 PM (P)

Got about three sentences in and found that, as usual, you misrepresented the content.

Zzz zzz....

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, June 16, 2022 12:08 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Gosh. Maybe they shouldn't have picked a fight with Russia.

First it was de-nazification of Ukraine. Remember that one?

Next it was taking over Ukraine's oil and gas (and grain) production.

Now it's re-acquisition of lost (stolen territory) to return to the great empire.

And sprinkled in for more laughs, "it's all the USA's fault for... something... get back to us on that."

We'll wait 'til you get your next email directive for the next one.

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
When prices go up more, I'll bet...

... you'll be blaming anyone but the person who started this "Return to Peter the Great." I think maybe Putin has had his brains scramble so hard by ineffective, third rate Ruskie covid drugs that he thinks it's some kind of Disney ride.

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 16, 2022 12:10 AM (P)

Pivot to the midterms and a new boogeyman.

Quote:
Ukraine - Killing Surrendering Soldiers, Shelling Civilians

At 8:30 UTC today I checked the priorities of the day on major U.S. news websites.

On the New York Times homepage the word "Trump" appeared 10 times, "Ukraine" appeared 5 times.
On the Washington Post homepage the word "Trump" appeared 12 times, "Ukraine" appeared 5 times.
On the Wall Street Journal homepage the word "Trump" appeared 9 times, "Ukraine" appeared 3 times.

The Google Trends graph for Ukraine has fallen to near zero.

. Meanwhile

Quote:
"I would like to note that in recent weeks, incidents involving the shooting of Ukrainian servicemen in the back by nationalist units have become more frequent in areas of military operations. ...

troops near Novomikhailovka in Donetsk People's Republic, more than 30 servicemen of the 25th Battalion of the 54th Mechanized Brigade of the AFU decided to lay down their arms and surrender.
Around 10 p.m., AFU servicemen with white flags began moving towards Russian positions.

At that moment, a Ukrainian nationalist barrier unit arrived at the stronghold in armored vehicles and opened crossfire in the back on the servicemen of the 54th Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces."

...The Ukrainian artillery is said to fire only 6,000 rounds per day for lack artillery ammunition. Yesterday 300 projectiles were fired by the Ukrainian army or by 'nationalists' onto civilian areas of 'rebel' held city of Donetsk. There were at lest 7 dead and 22 wounded. Graham Phillips provides a video report of the impacts and damage (vid). To use 5% of the daily ammunition ration to terrorize civilians in Donetsk is not only despicable but dumb as those artillery troops will now receive intensified attention they deserve.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/06/ukraine-killing-surrendering-sol
diers-shelling-civilians.html

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Thursday, June 16, 2022 12:33 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Got about three sentences in and found that, as usual, you misrepresented the content.

Zzz zzz....

Signym, the more you read of Putin, the better it gets. If you had kept going, you would have read:

As for our country, after the disintegration of the USSR, given the entire unprecedented openness of the new, modern Russia, its readiness to work honestly with the United States and other Western partners, and its practically unilateral disarmament, they immediately tried to put the final squeeze on us, finish us off, and utterly destroy us. This is how it was in the 1990s and the early 2000s, when the so-called collective West was actively supporting separatism and gangs of mercenaries in southern Russia. What victims, what losses we had to sustain and what trials we had to go through at that time before we broke the back of international terrorism in the Caucasus! We remember this and will never forget.

Properly speaking, the attempts to use us in their own interests never ceased until quite recently: they sought to destroy our traditional values and force on us their false values that would erode us, our people from within, the attitudes they have been aggressively imposing on their countries, attitudes that are directly leading to degradation and degeneration, because they are contrary to human nature. This is not going to happen. No one has ever succeeded in doing this, nor will they succeed now.

Despite all that, in December 2021, we made yet another attempt to reach agreement with the United States and its allies on the principles of European security and NATO’s non-expansion. Our efforts were in vain. The United States has not changed its position. It does not believe it necessary to agree with Russia on a matter that is critical for us. The United States is pursuing its own objectives, while neglecting our interests.

Of course, this situation begs a question: what next, what are we to expect? If history is any guide, we know that in 1940 and early 1941 the Soviet Union went to great lengths to prevent war or at least delay its outbreak. To this end, the USSR sought not to provoke the potential aggressor until the very end by refraining or postponing the most urgent and obvious preparations it had to make to defend itself from an imminent attack. When it finally acted, it was too late.

As a result, the country was not prepared to counter the invasion by Nazi Germany, which attacked our Motherland on June 22, 1941, without declaring war. The country stopped the enemy and went on to defeat it, but this came at a tremendous cost. The attempt to appease the aggressor ahead of the Great Patriotic War proved to be a mistake which came at a high cost for our people. In the first months after the hostilities broke out, we lost vast territories of strategic importance, as well as millions of lives. We will not make this mistake the second time. We have no right to do so.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-24/full-transcript-vla
dimir-putin-s-televised-address-to-russia-on-ukraine-feb-24

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 16, 2022 12:55 AM (P)

Yeah.. yeah... PUTIN! RUSSIA! STALIN!...

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Thursday, June 16, 2022 1:07 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Yeah.. yeah... PUTIN! RUSSIA! STALIN!...

Did you actually read the English translation of Putin's speech? Putin said that Russia won't wait, like it did in 1941, for Ukraine to attack Russia. Russia will attack first.

One way for you to fix Putin's speech to match your preferences, Signym, is to claim it was mistranslated. You are welcome to try, but "PUTIN! RUSSIA! STALIN!" (actual quote of your own words) is not a new translation.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Thursday, June 16, 2022 1:55 AM (P)

Why one Ukraine struggle is everyone’s

Russia’s targeting of churches has reinforced Ukrainian resolve to defend religious liberty – and the freedom it allows for individual conscience.

June 15, 2022
By the Monitor's Editorial Board

One running tally in the Ukraine war is the number of churches damaged or destroyed by the Russian military. During a TV address in early June, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announced that 113 churches had been attacked since the Feb. 24 invasion. His larger point to the Ukrainian people? The struggle to save Ukraine is also a defense of religious liberty.

Protecting that freedom – among others – may indeed be a big motivator for Ukrainian fighters. After all, the largely Christian nation elected a Jew as president – Mr. Zelenskyy – by a landslide in 2019. Ukraine’s religious leaders often speak of freedom of conscience in choosing and practicing a faith. Its main faiths – Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant – cooperate on issues, not merely coexist. During the 2013-14 Maidan revolution, clergy offered prayers, comfort, and serenity to pro-democracy protesters in the capital, Kyiv.

One reason given for the war is a fear by President Vladimir Putin that Ukraine’s various Orthodox churches have broken or are breaking away from the authority of the Russian Orthodox Church, which aligns itself with the Kremlin’s autocracy. That drift undercuts a belief in Russia that it is the center of the Orthodox world.

The attacks on Ukrainian churches may be aimed at sending a message against religious freedom. But they serve another purpose. “Given that the church as an institution of society enjoys the greatest level of trust of the citizens of Ukraine, religious figures are one of the biggest obstacles for the Russian invaders,” Maksym Vasin, executive director of the Institute for Religious Freedom, told Devex, a news site on global development.

Such attacks are not a surprise to Ukrainians. After Russia took Crimea by force in 2014 – a response to the success of the Maidan revolution – it suppressed all faiths in the peninsula other than the Russian Orthodox Church. Now the war in 2022 is again reinforcing Ukraine’s national narrative that it is a country that honors individual rights, especially religious liberty.

Freedom, however, is only a means to an end. “I have to be free in order to love,” says The Right Rev. Dr. Andriy Chirovsky at Toronto’s St. Michael’s College and an expert on Eastern Christianity. Being able to love is what it means to be created in the image and likeness of God, he told The Catholic Register while speaking about the Ukraine war.

During his TV address on June 4, the Ukrainian president pleaded with Russian troops to stop attacking churches. He was appealing to their conscience, perhaps out of a deep love. That is what religions do. They appeal to people to think from higher principles. As Ukrainians defend their own religious liberty, they are doing so for everyone.

https://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/the-monitors-view/2022/0615/Why-o
ne-Ukraine-struggle-is-everyone-s

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, June 16, 2022 4:03 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Gosh. Maybe they shouldn't have picked a fight with Russia.

When prices go up more, I'll bet we'll be wishing the same thing

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

Everybody in America except for rich white Democrats and people like me who have prepped for this day all their lives already have, a long time ago.

When gas hits $10 we're going to go back to having witch trials.

Keep bringing on the pain, Joe*. Watch the people devolve into Lord of the Flies under your watch.

I've got plenty of popcorn for the show.

Meanwhile though... Seriously. Stock up on shit now.

They're not telling you this, but the price of everything is going way up between late July and sometime in September. The lack of fertilizers and their impact on the harvests are about to send shockwaves through the economy.

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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 16, 2022 4:04 AM (P)

Yeah, yeah... we should all get together and defend the corrupt Ukrainian regime bc..?

More hyperpoble and frothing.

How 'bout we fix our own not-inconsiderable problem FIRST, before we start trying to reamake someplace else?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

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