Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Russia’s inevitable defeat, deep economic malaise, and loss of great-power status at the hands of a country whose existence the Kremlin didn’t even recognize will be fertile ground for extremists. That counts double should Putin’s regime fall and a struggle for the future course of Russia ensue. If the pro-war nationalists searching for enemies to blame are the only opposition left in Russia, the world may be going down a dark and dangerous track.
Putin is getting squeezed on both sides. Something's gotta give - or someone.
https://puck.news/fear-and-loathing-in-moscow/
The former queen mother of the Russian opposition, Evgenia Markovna Albats, now living in exile, reflects on the terror that drove her compatriots from the capital, the contempt among those left behind, and the oligarchs who are on the verge of revolt.
Julia Ioffe: What are things like in Moscow?
Evgenia Markovna Albats - Moscow is unbearable. I couldn’t stand being there. In the square where I live, I saw the PriceWaterhouseCoopers sign come down and the Starbucks close and the office towers empty out.
Like SECOND'S posts I get one or two sentences in and I trip over something so egregiously stupid I have to stop.
Life is unbearable bc she misses Starbucks??
She should try a Starbucks in San Francisco. Or what Berlin is gonna look like in a winter with no heat and soldiers on the street corners.
That tells you something about relative economies.
Jeez!
She needs to get a grip, and so does anyone who agrees with her.
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The Kharkov game-changer
September 14, 2022
by Pepe Escobar
Wars are not won by psyops. Ask Nazi Germany. Still, it’s been a howler to watch NATOstan media on Kharkov, gloating in unison about “the hammer blow that knocks out Putin”, “the Russians are in trouble”, and assorted inanities.
Facts: Russian forces withdrew from the territory of Kharkov to the left bank of the Oskol river, where they are now entrenched. A Kharkov-Donetsk-Luhansk line seems to be stable. Krasny Liman is threatened, besieged by superior Ukrainian forces, but not lethally.
No one – not even Maria Zakharova, the contemporary female equivalent of Hermes, the messenger of the Gods – knows what the Russian General Staff (RGS) plans, in this case and all others. If they say they do, they are lying.
As it stands, what may be inferred with a reasonable degree of certainty is that a line – Svyatogorsk-Krasny Liman-Yampol-Belogorovka – can hold out long enough with their current garrisons until fresh Russian forces are able to swoop in and force the Ukrainians back beyond the Seversky Donets line.
All hell broke loose – virtually – on why Kharkov happened. The people’s republics and Russia never had enough men to defend a 1,000 km-long frontline. NATO’s entire intel capabilities noticed – and profited from it.
There were no Russian Armed Forces in those settlements: only Rosgvardia, and these are not trained to fight military forces. Kiev attacked with an advantage of around 5 to 1. The allied forces retreated to avoid encirclement. There are no Russian troop losses because there were no Russian troops in the region.
Arguably this may have been a one-off. The NATO-run Kiev forces simply can’t do a replay anywhere in Donbass, or in Kherson, or in Mariupol. These are all protected by strong, regular Russian Army units.
It’s practically a given that if the Ukrainians remain around Kharkov and Izyum they will be pulverized by massive Russian artillery. Military analyst Konstantin Sivkov maintains that, “most combat-ready formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are now being grounded (…) we managed to lure them into the open and are now systematically destroying them.”
The NATO-run Ukrainian forces, crammed with NATO mercenaries, had spent 6 months hoarding equipment and reserving trained assets exactly for this Kharkov moment – while dispatching disposables into a massive meat grinder. It will be very hard to sustain an assembly line of substantial prime assets to pull off something similar again.
The next days will show whether Kharkov and Izyum are connected to a much larger NATO push. The mood in NATO-controlled EU is approaching Desperation Row. There’s a strong possibility this counter-offensive signifies NATO entering the war for good, while displaying quite tenuous plausible deniability: their veil of – fake – secrecy cannot disguise the presence of “advisers” and mercenaries all across the spectrum.
Decommunization as de-energization
The Special Military Operation (SMO), conceptually, is not about conquering territory per se: it is, or it was, so far, about protection of Russophone citizens in occupied territories, thus demilitarization cum denazification.
That concept may be about to be tweaked. And that’s where the tortuous, tricky debate on Russia mobilization fits in. Yet even a partial mobilization may not be necessary: what’s needed are reserves to properly allow allied forces to cover rear/defensive lines. Hardcore fighters of the Kadyrov contingent kind would continue to play offense.
It’s undeniable that Russian troops lost a strategically important node in Izyum. Without it, the complete liberation of Donbass becomes significantly harder.
Yet for the collective West, whose carcass slouches inside a vast simulacra bubble, it’s the pysops that matters much more than a minor military advance: thus all that gloating on Ukraine being able to drive the Russians out of the whole of Kharkov in only four days – while they had 6 months to liberate Donbass, and didn’t.
So, across the West,
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'We will survive Russia's blackmail and the long winter, but we need unity,' Sanna Marin tells MEPs
Updated: 13/09/2022 - 13:10
The European Union will survive "Russia's blackmail" of energy supplies and the looming "long winter" but only if the bloc maintains its "unity, determination and courage," said Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin.
"Russia may challenge us, blackmail us and threaten us, but we will not give in," she told the European Parliament in Strasbourg, speaking in Finnish.
"Russia's actions have unified the West as never before, while Russia is lonelier than ever."
During her speech before the plenary, Marin painted a grim picture of the challenges the EU faces, including the Ukraine war, the worsening energy crisis, soaring inflation, an increasingly likely recession, strained public finances, natural disasters, democratic backsliding and the technological rise of authoritarian countries.
"However, even in the darkest moments there is hope," she noted.
"Ukraine will win the war with our support. There is no other alternative. In our hearts, the Ukrainians have already won it."
Marin said the EU's greatest strength – and the only way out of the overlapping crises – was the mutual trust and unity among its 27 member states.
"Blackmailing our societies through energy supply is a way to erode European support for Ukraine and break down our unity. Putin must not succeed in this," she said.
"With its war, Russia is destroying its economy and future. Russia has broken our trust. Even if the war ended today, our confidence would not be restored for a long time."
Since the war broke out in late February, Marin has taken a hard line against the Kremlin, calling for sanctions and a speedy transition away from Russian fossil fuels.
Marin has also led Finland's bid to join NATO, a process that, once completed, will redraw the alliance's map.
In recent weeks, her government has pushed for a broad ban on visas for Russian citizens, as the country shares a 1,300-kilometre-long land border and is one of the few entry points for Russians coming to the EU.
Last month, EU foreign affairs ministers agreed to fully suspend a visa agreement with Russia and make the application system lengthier and costlier– but still possible.
For Marin, the EU must be ready to slap Moscow with "even tougher sanctions" to make the war unsustainably expensive.
"Sanctions must be reflected in the everyday lives of ordinary Russians," she said. "It is not right that while Russia kills civilians in Ukraine, Russian tourists travel freely in Europe."
Throughout her speech, Marin repeatedly praised Ukraine's resistance and the "brave and unyielding" character of its people and said the bloc's support for Ukraine must not collapse under the weight of the energy crisis.
"We may count the cost of war in euros, but Ukrainians count it in human lives," she told MEPs.
Reflecting on the developments over the past months, the Finnish PM said the EU was paying a "heavy price" for its entrenched dependency on Russian fuels, which she blamed on geopolitical mistakes made in the past.
"We have to admit that we have been far too naïve about Russia and have built our assumptions about Russia's activities on wrong ideas," she said. "We should have listened more closely to our friends from the Baltic states and Poland, who have lived under Soviet rule."
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/09/13/we-will-survive-russian-
blackmail-and-the-long-winter-but-we-need-unity-sanna-marin-tells- <-- that final 'dash' is important.
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The EU depends on energy from Russia bc they have no economical alternative. They want to stay competitive in world markets,and given their high labor costs they need to shave expenses elsewhere.
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Quote:Original article is pure Russian self-hype: https://www.geopolitika.ru/en/article/kharkov-game-changer
Originally posted by SignyM:
The Kharkov game-changer
September 14, 2022
by Pepe Escobar
Russia claims: "We have not yet begun to fight." The entire world awaits Russia revealing its true mightiness in battle, but in the meantime, Russia looks lame. There are veiled threats in that article of nuking Kyiv, London, Berlin, DC which is pretty typical on any and every day from Moscow.
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Omfg. You're spouting nonsense.
Not gonna explain.
You figure it out.
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Quote:"Nobody goes back behind bars," Prigozhin, founder of the Russian private military company Wagner, can be seen telling men in a video from a Russian prison yard. "If you serve six months, you are free. If you arrive in Ukraine and decide it's not for you, we execute you."
Originally posted by SignyM:
Omfg. You're spouting nonsense.
Not gonna explain.
You figure it out.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/video-shows-the-head-of-a-shadowy
-mercenary-group-recruiting-at-a-russian-prison-offering-inmates-freedom-if-they-fight-in-ukraine-but-death-if-they-run/ar-AA11PLXe
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Originally posted by second:Quote:"Nobody goes back behind bars," Prigozhin, founder of the Russian private military company Wagner, can be seen telling men in a video from a Russian prison yard. "If you serve six months, you are free. If you arrive in Ukraine and decide it's not for you, we execute you."
Originally posted by SignyM:
Omfg. You're spouting nonsense.
Not gonna explain.
You figure it out.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/video-shows-the-head-of-a-shadowy
-mercenary-group-recruiting-at-a-russian-prison-offering-inmates-freedom-if-they-fight-in-ukraine-but-death-if-they-run/ar-AA11PLXe
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So, to show that you're not spouting nonsense you spout moe nonsense?
"The first sin is desertion... the second sin is alcohol and drugs ... the third sin is looting, includng sexual contacts with local women... flora, fauna, men.. anything"
Sounds like they're supposed to be on a tight leash.
This is the stuff of many Hollywood hero movies.
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Quote:It is the Russians spouting nonsense. Make prisoners into instantaneous soldiers? That is Russian nonsense.
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So, to show that you're not spouting nonsense you spout moe nonsense?
Also, the people who are threatening to bring nukes into the war with Ukraine? They are Russians. The Ukrainians aren't talking about nuking Moscow, but the Russians talk constantly about nuking Kyiv, London, Berlin, DC. The Russians aren't thinking ahead to what happens after they nuke Kyiv, which means the Russians are spouting nonsense. Hope they don't try it. The results will be bad . . . for Russians.
And freeing prisoners? Do prisoners become good people after surviving the war and returning to society with PTSD? The Russians aren't thinking ahead to what happens after the prisoners return, which means the Russians are spouting nonsense. Hope they don't try it. The results will be bad . . . for Russians.
Russian oligarch recruiting convicts into private military -- turn on sound and scroll down
https://imgur.com/gallery/c4bsjN6
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Like SECOND'S posts I get one or two sentences in and I trip over something so egregiously stupid I have to stop.
Life is unbearable bc she misses Starbucks??
Speaking of "so egregiously stupid" ... Zignym is offended when someone says they miss Starbucks, but killing innocent Ukrainian women and children?? Bombing hospitals and schools? "Meh - Ukies aren't people!" - Zignym
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As Ukraine firepower thunders forward, Russian troops fleeing to the border: Live updates
Tensions were rising in Russian villages bordering the Kharkiv region Thursday as the roar of the Ukraine military's firepower edged closer to the border.
The governor of Russia's Belgorod region said people were wounded when Ukraine shells slammed into one border village, and private houses, farm buildings and power lines in another were partially destroyed. Vyacheslav Gladkov also ordered the evacuation of several villages.
Ukraine has retaken thousands of miles and more than 300 villages and towns this month. The Ukraine Defense Ministry said Russian troops fleeing the Ukraine advance are massing at the Belgorod border, where other Russian troops are keeping them from crossing over.
"They have no communication with the command," the ministry said in a statement. "There is no supply of food and ammunition."
The New York Times and Wall Street Journal, reporting from Belgorod in recent days, found locals who expressed fear and concern. One schoolteacher said she told students who heard missiles that the sound was only thunder.
Some residents have fled to Belgorod from Ukraine villages after working for Russian administrations – only to have the Russians abandon the Ukraine towns. Now they fear payback from Ukraine authorities who view them as traitors.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/09/15/ukraine-russia-i
nvasion-live-updates/10385423002/
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It’s a tough time for anti-anti-Putinism
Ukraine’s successes have made right-wing Putin apologists look like fools, bounders, and quislings. Tucker Carlson, all-purpose fascist shill, has constantly insisted that Putin’s victory is inevitable — refusing to change his line even after the most recent defeat.
Tucker: By any actual reality based measure, Vladimir Putin is not losing the war in Ukraine. He is winning the war in Ukraine
Former Trump aide and fascist mouthpiece Steve Bannon praised the viciously homophobic and nightmarishly authoritarian Putin as “anti-woke.” Like other white nationalists, Bannon hoped a Putin victory would signal the downfall of the decadent west. Instead, the supposedly decadent Ukrainian military is in the process of handing fascism yet another historical defeat.
There’s strong reasons for those on the left to be happy, in particular, about Putin’s defeat. Putin’s homophobic authoritarian oligarchy has been a major ideological inspiration for global white supremacists, christofascists, and scumbags. Russia has also been a source of material and logistical support for these groups. Putin has provided funding to far-right parties in France, Italy, Austria, and Spain. He sent $188 million between 2009 and 2018 to homophobic parties and organizations. And of course, according to bipartisan intelligence assessment, Putin interfered in the 2016 election in an effort to help Donald Trump win the presidency.
Aaron Rupar @atrupar tweeted:
Asked if he believes US intel agencies or Putin about Russia's interference in the 2016 election, Trump immediately starts pushing debunked DNC & Hillary conspiracy theories.
"I don't see any reason why it would be" Russia, Trump says, affirming he believes Putin's denials.
July 16th 2018
More at https://aaronrupar.substack.com/p/chomsky-greenwald-unkraine-anti-anti
-putin
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Russia is fighting with one hand tied behind it's back bc of the self-imposed limits of an SMO. Taking out a significant portion of Ukraine electrical power (and therefore water) should remind you that if Russia were to escalate to an "anti-terrorist" operation (a la Chechnya) it could destroy Ukraine in a couple of days.
First, take out ALL of the grid, substations included. Then, bomb Kiev, starting with it's government buildings, TV stations, internet and telephone relays etc. And then start bombing every known military command center, troop concentrations, border crossings whete foreign weapons/troops arrive, railways etc. Russia has got a lot of missiles left. It would be remarkably easy.
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Russia is nothing but a Begger country.
T
Is Putin worried China will steal his power?
"What we’re seeing is a shift in the balance of power. Russia was the security guarantor and China was the investor, but, Russia is no longer able to provide that, so we’re seeing China fill that vacuum."
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Russia is fighting with one hand tied behind it's back bc of the self-imposed limits of an SMO. Taking out a significant portion of Ukraine electrical power (and therefore water) should remind you that if Russia were to escalate to an "anti-terrorist" operation (a la Chechnya) it could destroy Ukraine in a couple of days.
First, take out ALL of the grid, substations included. Then, bomb Kiev, starting with it's government buildings, TV stations, internet and telephone relays etc. And then start bombing every known military command center, troop concentrations, border crossings whete foreign weapons/troops arrive, railways etc. Russia has got a lot of missiles left. It would be remarkably easy.
And that would be justified because why...? Ukraine has the nerve to defend itself?
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Quote:That's why Russia is limiting itself. That was just a reminder.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Russia is fighting with one hand tied behind it's back bc of the self-imposed limits of an SMO. Taking out a significant portion of Ukraine electrical power (and therefore water) should remind you that if Russia were to escalate to an "anti-terrorist" operation (a la Chechnya) it could destroy Ukraine in a couple of days.
First, take out ALL of the grid, substations included. Then, bomb Kiev, starting with it's government buildings, TV stations, internet and telephone relays etc. And then start bombing every known military command center, troop concentrations, border crossings whete foreign weapons/troops arrive, railways etc. Russia has got a lot of missiles left. It would be remarkably easy.
And that would be justified because why...? Ukraine has the nerve to defend itself?
Also, the west and Russia are fighting an economic war as well as a militry one. Right now, the west is suffering far more than Russia. So Russia is very content with a "go slow" military approach.
Yanno, Kiev has been shelling the eastern part of the Donbas for years now, and killed thousands of civilians (to which the OSCE often turned a blind eye). Kiev was doing far more than "defending itself". It massed a a large number of troops on the line of contact and was preparing to invade/slaughter the breakway regions (Yanno, if you were all for Kosovo breaking away as a matter of "self determination" you should feel the same about the Donbas. But I only expect consistent hypocrisy from you. And, lies.)
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
That's why Russia is limiting itself. That was just a reminder.
A reminder that they can murder more people? Thanks Putin.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Also, the west and Russia are fighting an economic war as well as a militry one.
Would they be fighting this war (I thought it was a special operation? Careful what you type online!) if Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine? Uh, no.
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Oh. The dipshit came back, huh?
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Quote:uh, yeah. They've been sanctioning Russia for over eight years already.
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
That's why Russia is limiting itself. That was just a reminder.
A reminder that they can murder more people? Thanks Putin.Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Also, the west and Russia are fighting an economic war as well as a militry one.
Would they be fighting this war (I thought it was a special operation? Careful what you type online!) if Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine? Uh, no.
The neocons and globalist neolibs have been trying to provoke Russia into a war since then. Well, they should be careful what they wish for.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
uh, yeah. They've been sanctioning Russia for over eight years already.
So, Trump sanctions are why Russia is murdering Ukrainians?
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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
uh, yeah. They've been sanctioning Russia for over eight years already.
So, Trump sanctions are why Russia is murdering Ukrainians?
No. NATO aggression is why Russia is defending itself.
If Biden* and NATO weren't funneling money to fuel this conflict, Ukraine would have surrendered in one single day.
This isn't even Ukraine's battle.
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Quote:Not good at arithmetic, are you?
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
uh, yeah. They've been sanctioning Russia for over eight years already.
So, Trump sanctions are why Russia is murdering Ukrainians?
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Quote:Despite Ukrainian forces’ startling gains in the war against Russia, the Biden administration anticipates months of intense fighting with wins and losses for each side, spurring U.S. plans for an open-ended campaign with no prospect for a negotiated end in sight.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No. NATO aggression is why Russia is defending itself.
If Biden* and NATO weren't funneling money to fuel this conflict, Ukraine would have surrendered in one single day.
This isn't even Ukraine's battle.
A senior State Department official, who like other officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal planning, said “They have significant equipment and arms and munitions positioned in the occupied territories, not to mention what they have in Russia. And so it is far from over, despite the momentum.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-expects-months-of-intense-fig
hting-in-ukraine-russia-war/ar-AA11SNpS
6ix, your weirdness is showing when you support Russia's goal. It's the same as you supporting robbery. Middle-aged Beavis and Butt-Head did the stupid thing you are doing when they fulfilled their civic duty as jurors in an episode that aired Sep 15, 2022: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt22045758/
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Not good at arithmetic, are you?
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
uh, yeah. They've been sanctioning Russia for over eight years already.
So, Trump sanctions are why Russia is murdering Ukrainians?
Lessee, last 8 years: 2 years of Obama (started when Russia invaded Crimea), 4 years of Dump and 2 of Biden = yep, 8 years of sanctions, mostly under Trump.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-imposes-major-sanct
ions-russian-oligarchs-officials-companies-n863271
WASHINGTON — The Trump administration took one of its most aggressive actions against Russia on Friday, announcing sweeping sanctions against members of Russian President Vladimir Putin's inner circle, along with top officials and several businesses, including a state-owned weapons trading company.
Senior U.S. administration officials said the sanctions are not aimed to punish Moscow for any particular event, but are instead a broader measure aimed at the "totality of the Russian government's ongoing and increasingly malign activities in the world."
The Treasury Department, in connection with the State Department, targeted seven Russian oligarchs and 12 companies they own or control. It also issued sanctions on 17 senior government officials, along with a state-owned weapons trading company and its subsidiary, a Russian bank."
So that's why Putin invaded Ukraine - huh. Never would have guessed.
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You would think there would be a starightforward timeline of sanctions against Russia from before 2014 to present, but ... no.
However, it's clear from this timeline that most of the sanctions were placed on Russia in 2014.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-us-sanctions-on-russia/
You've had a grotch against Russia over all kinds of "issues" including laughable golden showers/kompromat "dossier" and the accusation that Russia poisoned the Skripals (despite the fact that the UK changed its scenarios at least 4 times, none of which made sense)
There used to be a programing concept called GIGO - Garbage In, Garbage Out. If you put gabage in your brain what comes out is, well, garbage.
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Originally posted by second:
6ix, your weirdness is showing when you support Russia's goal.
No it's not. Fuck NATO.
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It's the same as you supporting robbery.
Get fucked, Leftist. That's exactly what I've been watching you and your entire party do since the summer of 2020.
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Quote:That is funny because the Democratic Party did NOT do what you said it did. I know Republicans kept insisting in their news media that Democrats supported robbery, but not so.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
6ix, your weirdness is showing when you support Russia's goal.
No it's not. Fuck NATO.Quote:
It's the same as you supporting robbery.
Get fucked, Leftist. That's exactly what I've been watching you and your entire party do since the summer of 2020.
By the way, a robbery trial had Beavis and Butt-head on a 12 person jury. Every piece of evidence with misunderstood by Beavis and Butt-head. They were confused about who the Judge was and who was the defendant and so the confusion was everywhere all the time, which ended with a mistrial. I would have believed it was absurd, but I have seen real-life Trumptards imitating cartoon Beavis and Butt-head. The guy who animates the episodes, Mike Judge, is familiar with Texas. He is working from live examples to create his fictional characters.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt22045758/
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Originally posted by second:Quote:That is funny because the Democratic Party did NOT do what you said it did.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
6ix, your weirdness is showing when you support Russia's goal.
No it's not. Fuck NATO.Quote:
It's the same as you supporting robbery.
Get fucked, Leftist. That's exactly what I've been watching you and your entire party do since the summer of 2020.
They're literally doing it right now you dumb shit.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/no-more-cash-bail-in-illinois-he
res-what-we-know-about-the-changes-coming-soon/2939008/
And whenever they do actually get around to arresting anyone, Kim Foxx lets them right back out.
Don't even get me started on Kamala Harris bailing them out in 2020, Portland, or the millions of illegal alien invaders.
Maybe if you got your head out of your ass about Trump for one single day you might know what is actually going on in reality.
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There used to be a programing concept called GIGO - Garbage In, Garbage Out. If you put gabage in your brain what comes out is, well, garbage.
Hey - that's probably what explains how you can get outraged over someone liking Starbucks but are fine with dead women and children.
GIGO!
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Quote:Oh, I have no problem with anyone liking Starbucks, CAPON. But to say that not having Starbucks makes a city "unbearable"? That byatch has NO IDEA of "unbearable". Clearly, she hasn't visited our dirty, crime-ridden cities. And especially the Starbucks where the homeless hang out and the addicted take drugs in the restrooms.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There used to be a programing concept called GIGO - Garbage In, Garbage Out. If you put gabage in your brain what comes out is, well, garbage.
Hey - that's probably what explains how you can get outraged over someone liking Starbucks but are fine with dead women and children.
GIGO!
And I DO have a problem with dead women and children. That's what started this whole mess in Ukraine to begin with. Seriously dood - it's Kiev that uses human shields and massacres "collaborators", not the LDNR militias.
I never expect honesty from you CAPON, so I'm never disapointed.
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Quote:All my life I've noticed that some people have very different values than me, but that was never a problem. We could get along fine and prosper together despite the differences. On the other hand, insane people, Signym and 6ix for two examples, were a huge problem. Facts never made a dent in their mental armor because the insane will make their own facts and live crazy, rather than different from how a sane person lives. Trump? Putin? Absolutely insane and have been for decades, but other insane people are attracted to them and use fake facts when advocating for them. All the insanity compressed into one false line: "Seriously dood - it's Kiev that uses human shields and massacres "collaborators", not the LDNR militias." This is not about different values, Signym.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, I have no problem with anyone liking Starbucks, CAPON. But to say that not having Starbucks makes a city "unbearable"? That byatch has NO IDEA of "unbearable". Clearly, she hasn't visited our dirty, crime-ridden cities. And especially the Starbucks where the homeless hang out and the addicted take drugs in the restrooms.
And I DO have a problem with dead women and children. That's what started this whole mess in Ukraine to begin with. Seriously dood - it's Kiev that uses human shields and massacres "collaborators", not the LDNR militias.
I never expect honesty from you CAPON, so I'm never disapointed.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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I didn't make up, or believe, the golden showers "dossier". I didn't believe in Iraq WMD or "R2P" or "Assad gassed his own people". I didn't turn a low-level criminal into a martyr, ignore billions of dollars of damage and hundreds of cops being injured by Antifa. I don't believe that everyone, or even MOST people, are prospering in this deindustrialized "gig economy", or that Jan 6 was anything other than a protest that got out of hand, or any of the other media garbage that you seem to swallow so readily.
Unlike SIX, I'm wasn't in denial about Covid, nor am I in denial about climate change. I don't think Trump is "the answer", I disagree with about half of his policies, and I thought he was damn ineffective about implementing some of the policies that I agreed with. But al least he got SOME things right, and one of them was that the President's job is caring for America and Americans, NOT interfering across the entire damn globe.
Most importnatly I don't falsely attribute statements, beliefs, and associations to you. And when I run out of on-point things to say, I don't fling random ad hominems. That's something YOU do. When I accuse you of lying and libel, it's specific and demonstrable. 
I think I've got my feet pretty firmly planted and my head screwed on straight, and I believe in solving problems, not covering them up, like you do.
Let's see where your (and the DNC's) smarmy rationalizations and blame shifting and warmongering get us in the next few years.
Oh, and have a nice day
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Most importnatly I don't falsely attribute statements, beliefs, and associations to you. And when I run out of on-point things to say, I don't fling random ad hominems. That's something YOU do. When I accuse you of lying and libel, it's specific and demonstrable.
That's a whopper! You owe me another keyboard! You've done that exact shit just in this thread. You a shite actor btw.
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Quote:Are you sure you are not now and have never been a lunatic? I only ask because defending Trump is lunatic territory. Supporting Russia or indifference to Russia killing civilians (6ix's thing) is lunatic land.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think I've got my feet pretty firmly planted and my head screwed on straight, and I believe in solving problems, not covering them up, like you do.
Let's see where your (and the DNC's) smarmy rationalizations and blame shifting and warmongering get us in the next few years.
Oh, and have a nice day
Wonking Out: What Ukraine Needs From Us
Lawyers, guns and money. OK, skip the lawyers.
by Paul Krugman / September 16, 2022 at 01:18PM
Lately I’ve been seeing what seems like a growing number of reports about Ukraine’s economic difficulties. And it definitely makes sense to focus more on the country’s economy now that the tide seems to have turned in Ukraine’s favor on the battlefield.
But it’s hard to avoid suspecting ulterior motives for that scrutiny. Supporters of Ukraine’s fight may be trying to shame Western powers into providing more aid, while “realists,” who’ve spent the whole war urging Ukraine to surrender and have been disappointed in their predictions of military defeat, are now predicting inevitable economic collapse.
Still, the economic difficulties are real and serious. According to official estimates, Ukraine’s real gross domestic product has fallen 37 percent from a year ago, although there are some signs of recovery. At the same time, inflation has surged to nearly 24 percent over the previous year.
But here’s the thing: I’ve read a lot of economic history, including the economics of wars past. And my reaction to the Ukrainian numbers is: That’s all?
OK, that’s a really big decline in G.D.P., but what do you expect when an invader seizes a significant part of your territory, blockades your ports and uses missiles to blow up a significant part of your infrastructure?
And the inflation number is surprisingly low, given the circumstances. After all, quite a few countries have managed to create significantly higher inflation than that without being the target of a huge foreign invasion. Turkey, for example, currently has 80 percent annual inflation.
It’s important to note that major wars usually lead to higher inflation, with some justification.
After all, it’s unusual and, in fact, inappropriate for a government confronted with the need to make large but temporary outlays — like paying for immense military operations or, for that matter, pandemic relief — to fully pay for those outlays with higher taxes. Why inappropriate? Because even a liberal like me will admit that very high tax rates hurt incentives. So it’s better to borrow some of the needed funds and defray those costs over time.
But running a big budget deficit does increase overall demand in the economy, which is inflationary, especially if supply is simultaneously being reduced, for example by Russian missile strikes. If borrowing to cover the deficit is difficult — which it often is in wartime — some of the gap may also be covered by printing money. So it’s normal, and even acceptable, to see significant inflation in times of war.
World War II, by the way, is the exception that proves the rule. Despite gigantic budget deficits and the diversion of much of the economy’s capacity to war production, the U.S. government mostly kept a lid on inflation, partly via price controls and partly via rationing and other controls that suppressed private demand. Even then, there was a postwar spike in prices when those controls were removed.
If we look at earlier episodes, however, wars were regularly accompanied by inflation. During World War I, for example, Britain and the United States experienced inflation not far short of what Ukraine is experiencing now, even though neither was invaded.
Or look at the Civil War. The Union experienced Ukraine-like inflation. The Confederacy, whose military situation more clos
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I couldn't give a rat's ass what Ukraine needs Ukraine's oligarchs want.
Maybe if it was "What does AMERUCA need?" I'd bother to read.
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Quote:I am not misquoting you: Signym wrote AMERUCA instead of America. Trivial mistake? I think not. And tacitly your argument is that Russia will be satisfied with just Ukraine. Maybe for now, but if Russia takes Ukraine, there are other countries to conquer once Ukraine is digested. But if Russia has to vomit out Ukraine, Russia will learn to not eat the other neighbors.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I couldn't give a rat's ass whatUkraine needsUkraine's oligarchs want.
Maybe if it was "What does AMERUCA need?" I'd bother to read.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I couldn't give a rat's ass whatUkraine needsUkraine's oligarchs want.
Maybe if it was "What does AMERUCA need?" I'd bother to read.
America needs Ukraine to beat the ever lovin' shit out of Russia. Putin is a dangerous, joyless old dinosaur, still using ancient artiliery/trench warfare strategies from WW1, and KGB inspired policing of his own citizens. The world is too fucking small for his type. He's going to get plowed under, it's only a matter of time - what Russia does effects the entire globe, and in this case it's for nothing. Just drawing lines on a map or serving his ego. One fcking guy. But Ziggy, you go ahead and keep supporting Putin.
https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-authorities-discover-mass-grave-16103
6986.html
Brigid Kennedy, Staff Writer
Fri, September 16, 2022, 12:10 PM·1 min read
Mass burial site in Izyum, Ukraine.
Ukrainian authorities have uncovered a mass grave with over 440 bodies in the eastern city of Izium, Ukraine's Defense Ministry announced Friday, per CNN.
Izium was recently recaptured from Russian forces, after having been "subject to intense ... artillery attacks" in the spring, CNN writes. The city, nestled near the border between the Kharkiv and Donetsk regious, served as an "important hub" for Putin's offensive "during five months of occupation."
Some of the victims in the mass grave were killed by gunfire, while others died of "so-called mine explosion traumas," Serhii Bolvinov, Kharkiv's chief police investigator, told the United Kingdom's Sky News, per CNN. "Some died because of airstrikes," he continued. "Also we have information that a lot of bodies have not been identified yet. So the reasons of death will be established during the investigations." The buried corpses were also "mostly civilians," according to Ukraine's Center for Stategic Communications, and showed some signs of torture, adds The Associated Press.
Per CNN, Bolvinov believes there could be other mass graves in the Kharkiv area.
"Bucha, Mariupol, now, unfortunately, Izium ... Russia leaves death everywhere. And it must be held accountable for it," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, alluding to tales of similar civilian tragedies from earlier in the invasion, said in a video address on Thursday. "We want the world to know what is really happening and what the Russian occupation has led to."
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Air Force Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder, the Pentagon’s top spokesman: “We have seen them make some advances in the north, in the Kharkiv region,” Ryder told The War Zone during a media briefing Friday afternoon. “The Ukrainians continue to conduct their counter-offensive operations, primarily up in the north in Kharkiv and in the south in the Kherson region.”
When asked how long the war could last, Ryder declined to speculate.
"I'm not going to try to put a timeline on this conflict, other than to say again, we believe that this will continue to be a tough fight," he said. "We've seen the Ukrainians have some success. And we'll continue our focus on supporting them in their fight. But we do anticipate that this will continue to be a very tough fight. And the only thing that could shorten it would be if the Russians decided to do the right thing, and withdraw their occupying forces from Ukraine."
In its latest assessment, the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) offered several key takeaways, including how Russia is struggling to balance raising additional forces to fight in Ukraine against the animosity of Russians who don't want to see a general mobilization.
Our latest report at @TheStudyofWar assessed that Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov’s call on Russian federal subjects to “self-mobilize” is an indicator that the Kremlin is doubling down on crypto-mobilization rather than setting conditions for general mobilization. https://t.co/ObMKtgAZ32
"Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov called on all federal subjects to initiate 'self-mobilization' and not wait on the Kremlin to declare martial law," ISW reported. "Kadyrov claimed that each federal subject must prove its readiness to help Russia by recruiting at least 1,000 servicemen instead of delivering speeches and conducting fruitless public events. Russian propagandist Margarita Simonyan echoed the need for Russians to volunteer to join the war effort, and several loyalist Russian governors publicly supported Kadyrov’s speech. The Russian-appointed head of occupied Crimea, Sergey Aksyonov, announced the formation of two volunteer battalions on the peninsula in support of Kadyrov’s calls."
More at https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-russia-
loses-another-key-city
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-situation-report-russia-l
oses-another-key-city/ar-AA11USZb
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When asked how long the war could last, Ryder declined to speculate.
One thing you can say about Putin is he doesn't care how many Russians he has to kill to keep fighting. For essentially nothing. Nothing that those dead soldiers and their families care about at least. He must have zero respect for the average soldier, being ready to die for nothing. Almost like relationship between Trump and his base.
He also has the talent for inspiring absolute hatred from his enemies - Ukraine is not going to stop either. This will probably be a near endless slog like the Donetsk airport. 8 more years? The EU should be well on it's way to alternative energy by then and they can say FU to that fckwad.
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Quote:You are describing the history of both Russia and China. The two countries with the most deaths during WWII have present day leaders who are very cozy.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
One thing you can say about Putin is he doesn't care how many Russians he has to kill to keep fighting.
Neither leader is careful when expending lives while writing their own glorious pages in history.
Funny how easy it is to find stories about a genocide going forward in China. And Russia planned to kill off the Ukrainians, but that plan is temporarily on hold. Russia and China are controlled by two great minds thinking alike.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/World_War_II_Casua
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I couldn't give a rat's ass whatUkraine needsUkraine's oligarchs want.
Maybe if it was "What does AMERUCA need?" I'd bother to read.
America needs Ukraine to beat the ever lovin' shit out of Russia. Putin is a dangerous, joyless old dinosaur, still using ancient artiliery/trench warfare strategies from WW1, and KGB inspired policing of his own citizens. The world is too fucking small for his type. He's going to get plowed under, it's only a matter of time - what Russia does effects the entire globe, and in this case it's for nothing. Just drawing lines on a map or serving his ego. One fcking guy. But Ziggy, you go ahead and keep supporting Putin.
https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-authorities-discover-mass-grave-16103
6986.html
Brigid Kennedy, Staff Writer
Fri, September 16, 2022, 12:10 PM·1 min read
Mass burial site in Izyum, Ukraine.
Ukrainian authorities have uncovered a mass grave with over 440 bodies in the eastern city of Izium, Ukraine's Defense Ministry announced Friday, per CNN.
Izium was recently recaptured from Russian forces, after having been "subject to intense ... artillery attacks" in the spring, CNN writes. The city, nestled near the border between the Kharkiv and Donetsk regious, served as an "important hub" for Putin's offensive "during five months of occupation."
Some of the victims in the mass grave were killed by gunfire, while others died of "so-called mine explosion traumas," Serhii Bolvinov, Kharkiv's chief police investigator, told the United Kingdom's Sky News, per CNN. "Some died because of airstrikes," he continued. "Also we have information that a lot of bodies have not been identified yet. So the reasons of death will be established during the investigations." The buried corpses were also "mostly civilians," according to Ukraine's Center for Stategic Communications, and showed some signs of torture, adds The Associated Press.
Per CNN, Bolvinov believes there could be other mass graves in the Kharkiv area.
"Bucha, Mariupol, now, unfortunately, Izium ... Russia leaves death everywhere. And it must be held accountable for it," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, alluding to tales of similar civilian tragedies from earlier in the invasion, said in a video address on Thursday. "We want the world to know what is really happening and what the Russian occupation has led to."
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Quote:Is this a he said, she said kind of thing you've got going on here, Signym? Except he has a heap of corpses and she says, "Corpses? What corpses? I didn't see any corpses!" and "I wasn't the one who tortured then killed them. How dare you accuse me! I am innocent. You can believe me. Have I ever lied? Trust me."
Originally posted by SignyM:
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Reuters September 17, 2022
Moscow has not commented on the discovery of the graves. It regularly denies committing atrocities in the war or targeting civilians.
Reuters saw workers carefully exhume at least five graves with shovels, while police experts and investigators documented the findings on camera and inspected the bodies on the sandy soil between trunks of pine trees.
Investigators said the condition of the teeth showed some of the people were elderly.
"Exhumations are under way. Their identities are currently not known," said Roman Kasianenko, a regional prosecutor. He said three bodies dug up on Friday had been identified. . . .
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy on Saturday said officials have found evidence of torture on exhumed bodies, adding that around 10 torture sites have been found across the territory liberated this month.
The head of the Russia-installed administration that abandoned the northeastern area around Izium last week accused Ukrainians of staging atrocities. "I have not heard anything about burials," Vitaly Ganchev told Rossiya-24 state television.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-searches-its-dead-russian
-occupation-burial-site-2022-09-17/
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Same as it ever was...
Nobody gives a single shit about Ukraine.
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It wasn't a "mass grave", it was a burial site: individual graves marked with crosses. Hardly a pit where bodies were dumped.
This is what's in our "press"...
Ukrainian officials say ...
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukrainians-find-bodies-with-hands-tied-in-mass
-burial-site-near-izyum/32037744.html
Top Ukraine official says...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/top-ukraine-official-says-450-bod
ies-found-in-izyum-mass-grave-some-with-hands-tied-behind-their-backs/ar-AA11WrMb
Ukraine says...
https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2022/09/18/russia-ukraine-war-
izyum-residents-search-mass-grave-after-russians-driven-out/
Ukrainian official says ...
https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-eneds-to-hold-russia-to-account-afte
r-mass-grave-found-in-ukraine-izium-5868015-Sep2022/
Ukrainian officials revealed ... https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/satellite-images-show-tanks-near-
izyum-mass-graves-month-before-bodies-found/ar-AA11W0Jx
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said ...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11218677/Mass-graves-Izyum-Ze
lensky-says-Russia-held-accountable.html
Do we have ANYTHING not coming from a "Ukraine official"? Meanwhile back in Bucha, the victims of a so-called "Russian massacre" who were supposedly executed before Russian withdrawal were not, in fact, executed. They were killed by anti-personnel shells containing flechettes.
The story NOW is that Russia shelled... ITSELF??? But Kiev uses the same shell, fired from the same kind of cannon, and most likely fired them at Bucha.
I'm shit-canning Kiev's accusations, along with the "Ghost of Kiev" and the rape stories told by "Ukrain officials" which turned out to be ... you guess it ... lies.
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Quote:6ix, I've seen this particular style of dealing with reality from Trumptards. Anybody, including Democrats, using this style will fall behind people who are repelled by the Trumptards' way of thinking. This style worked from 300,000 years ago until the 19th century, but isn't evolutionary adaptive today. More adaptive would be ignoring Ukraine, not having any opinion.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Same as it ever was...
Nobody gives a single shit about Ukraine.
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Clausewitz wrote that “the moral elements are among the most important in war. They constitute the spirit that permeates war as a whole.” Ukraine has those moral elements, and they are generating societal resilience and garnering international support.
Ukrainian staying power is changing the Russian approach. Although the Russian military has targeted civilian populations from the start, it has shifted dramatically in that direction as its invasion falters and is driven back. As Russia’s failures on the battlefield mount, it will lose its military effectiveness — which will further shift the Russian way of war from fighting an army to punishing civilians it could not conquer.
Could the Russians escalate more, and more wildly? Yes, absolutely. The possibility of Russia using a nuclear weapon on Kyiv as Russia’s military is forced to retreat is discussed frequently in policy circles in Kyiv. But I heard no variation on the conclusion by Ukrainians that it would change only the cost, not the outcome, of the war. Russia is already purposely inflicting civilian casualties indiscriminately and in large numbers.
As Ukrainians defend their country, you can see what Abraham Lincoln called “the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of freedom.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukrainian-success-will-not-be-cat
astrophic/ar-AA11VTT6
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Originally posted by second:Quote:6ix, I've seen this particular style of dealing with reality from Trumptards. Anybody, including Democrats, using this style will fall behind people who are repelled by the Trumptards' way of thinking. This style worked from 300,000 years ago until the 19th century, but isn't evolutionary adaptive today. More adaptive would be ignoring Ukraine, not having any opinion.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Same as it ever was...
Nobody gives a single shit about Ukraine.
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That's what I do about it in real life.
Just like everybody else in the world who doesn't give a shit about Ukraine.
It's just you, Ted, Joe Biden*, some idiots in the media, and some occasional douchebag with a Ukraine bumper sticker that pretend to care. Yanno... the type of guy who still wears his covid mask when driving alone in his car from work to go home and jerk off to MSNBC with a condom on.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It wasn't a "mass grave", it was a burial site: individual graves marked with crosses. Hardly a pit where bodies were dumped..
Hey - you're not lying again are you? (trick question)
According to Ziggy, It's not a mass grave if "400+ bodies are buried separately."
And how could you possibly know how many bodies are under each cross?
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The story NOW is that Russia shelled... ITSELF??? But Kiev uses the same shell, fired from the same kind of cannon, and most likely fired them at Bucha.
What do you mean, "the story NOW is?" Who's story? And what do you mean by "most likely?" According to whom? You can't even bother to lie believably. We Deserve Better Lies from You! Come on!
Didn't you suggest that Ukraine was bombing it's own Nuclear power station at one point? And now you suggest they killed 440 of their own people? Why 440? Wouldn't 50 be enough to make the point? You are promoting a staggering amount of stupid.
Bottom line - none of this happens without Dickhead invading Ukraine.
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Quote:Western press. Not even attributed to anyone or any organization, just insinuated.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It wasn't a "mass grave", it was a burial site: individual graves marked with crosses. Hardly a pit where bodies were dumped.
CAPN: Hey - you're not lying again are you? (trick question)
According to Ziggy, It's not a mass grave if "400+ bodies are buried separately."
And how could you possibly know how many bodies are under each cross?
SIGNYM: The story NOW is that Russia shelled... ITSELF??? But Kiev uses the same shell, fired from the same kind of cannon, and most likely fired them at Bucha.
CAPN: What do you mean, "the story NOW is?" Who's story?
Quote:
Dozens of civilians who died during the Russian occupation of the Ukrainian city of Bucha were killed by tiny metal arrows from shells of a type fired by Russian artillery, forensic doctors have said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/24/dozens-bucha-civilians-k
illed-flechettes-metal-darts-russian-artillery
ALSO of a type fired by Kiev artillery. But when did this happen? Surely they can estimated when these people died- Did this happen when Russia took over Bucha. Or when they retreated a month later or some time in between? The article says "during" the Russian occupation which means the Russians shelled... themselves? (That makes no sense whatsoever).
And whatever happened to those bodies so carefully staged on a Bucha street? Were THEY killed by flechettes too? Or "executed", as Kiev claimed?
The fact that they never seem to follow up on those "executions", or tell us WHEN the people they DID find were killed, or tell us that Kiev ALSO uses the same kind of artillery, shows that this is a carefully crafted story designed to lead the reader to infer that Russia was to blame without ever saying so.
Quote:Because I don't know for sure. But I know how to read and when I see big holes in stories I can guess pretty well who is lying, and why.
And what do you mean by "most likely?"
Quote:Yes, bc it's OCCUPIED BY RUSSIA. KIEV's claim -once again- is that Russia is shelling... wait for it... itself.
Didn't you suggest that Ukraine was bombing it's own Nuclear power station at one point?
Quote:Well, they used human shields, didn't they? Obviously, they didnt care what happened to THOSE Ukrainians. Why would they not kill more civilians, especially of these civilians were Russia-friendly "collaborators"?
And now you suggest they killed 440 of their own people? Why 440? Wouldn't 50 be enough to make the point? You are promoting a staggering amount of stupid.
Why anyone believes a single thing that Kiev/EU/WH/M$M says is beyond me. They don't ALWAYS lie... sometimes they actually manage to publish truth, but you've really got dig thru bull to find it.
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What an evil selfish prick Putin is. Does anyone but him benefit from this? And now? After 2 years of covid crap? Kill thousands and crash the world economy so he can redraw a MAP?!?? What fcking dinosaur. I look forward to watching this blow up in his face.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/23/world/europe/putin-speech-russia-uk
raine.html
Word by Word and Between the Lines: A Close Look at Putin’s Speech]
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The last thing anybody wants is a Russia/China alliance.
And you stupid assholes pushed them right into it.
You're an idiot, Ted.
Hopefully Trump can fix your bullshit after Biden* gets tossed out with the trash.
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You are hyper-focused on Russia because the Biden* administration has screwed up everything that it touched for two years straight.
Consider yourself lucky, despite that double digit IQ of yours, that you somehow managed to be among those who are financially secure enough that you don't have to worry about the economy.
Meanwhile, the (legal) Mexicans and the blacks are voting for not-Democrat along with the rest of us who have two synapses firing.
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Missed your answer on this one: And how could you possibly know how many bodies are under each cross?
Missed another one: why would Ukraine kill 440 of it's own people when 20 would have been enough to cry outrage?
You seem desperate to absolve an invading force, as if they wouldn't kill anyone.
ZIGNYM: "But when did this happen? Surely they can estimated when these people died - Did this happen when Russia took over Bucha. Or when they retreated a month later or some time in between? The article says "during" the Russian occupation which means the Russians shelled... themselves? (That makes no sense whatsoever)."
Look, dates and details and so much more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre
Right, it makes no sense. So your assumption must be wrong. You say you know how to read, so maybe you should read more than one article: google Bucha Massacre
ZIGGY: "And whatever happened to those bodies so carefully staged on a Bucha street? Were THEY killed by flechettes too? Or "executed", as Kiev claimed? The fact that they never seem to follow up on those "executions", or tell us WHEN the people they DID find were killed, or tell us that Kiev ALSO uses the same kind of artillery, shows that this is a carefully crafted story designed to lead the reader to infer that Russia was to blame without ever saying so."
There were many more than those 6-12? bodies on the streets. Those got a lot of press because of their brutal deaths and the casualness of where they were left.
From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre
Satellite images
Russia claims that the bodies had been "staged" by the Ukrainian side after the withdrawal of Russian troops were contradicted by satellite images from mid-March that were provided by Maxar Technologies to The New York Times.[80] The images of Yablonska Street show at least 11 "dark objects of similar size to a human body" appearing between 9 and 11 March. They appeared in precisely the same positions as bodies later filmed by a local council member on 1 April, after Ukrainian forces had reclaimed the city.[32] Another video of the same street shows three bodies near bicycles and abandoned cars, which first appeared between 20 and 21 March according to satellite imagery. The Times concluded, on 4 April, that "many of the civilians were killed more than three weeks ago, when Russia's military was in control of the town" and that the images refute Russian claims of the contrary.[32] BBC News came to the same conclusion.[80]
The satellite images also showed the first signs of excavations for a mass grave in Bucha on 10 March. By 31 March, it had been expanded into an "approximately 45-foot-long [14 m] trench in the southwestern section of the area near the church".[81]
Video footage
Video footage from a drone verified by The New York Times showed two Russian armoured vehicles firing at a civilian walking with a bicycle. A separate video, filmed after Russian withdrawal, showed a dead person wearing civilian clothing matching the drone footage, lying next to a bicycle.[82]
On 19 May, The New York Times released videos showing Russian soldiers leading away a group of civilians, then forcing them to the ground. The dead bodies of the men were later recorded by a drone in the spot where the video was recorded and the bodies later found after Bucha's liberation. The videos clearly show the murdered men in Russian custody minutes before their execution and confirm eyewitness accounts. The troops responsible for the murders were Russian paratroopers.[83]
ZIGGY: "Because I don't know for sure. But I know how to read and when I see big holes in stories I can guess pretty well who is lying, and why."
I get that same feeling every time I read your posts.
CC: Didn't you suggest that Ukraine was bombing it's own Nuclear power station at one point?
ZIGGY: Yes, bc it's OCCUPIED BY RUSSIA.
You don't ever bomb your own nucl
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Quote:6ix, the first line you wrote is false. And the second line. And the third.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You are hyper-focused on Russia because the Biden* administration has screwed up everything that it touched for two years straight.
Consider yourself lucky, despite that double digit IQ of yours, that you somehow managed to be among those who are financially secure enough that you don't have to worry about the economy.
Meanwhile, the (legal) Mexicans and the blacks are voting for not-Democrat along with the rest of us who have two synapses firing.
6ix, Signym, Putin, Trump have taught the same lesson over and over: there is no such thing as truth for them. There are only clever words creating ideas in other people's heads. You can see that kind of person in the movie Emily the Criminal. From the first moments, Emily hasn't perfected smoothly lying (her error is mixing a little too much falsehood into mostly true sentences). Then Emily is accusing the job interviewer of being the liar and stupid because she won't get the job. At the end of the movie, Emily's lying has given her a certain amount of wealth and stability. Lying has done the same for Putin and Trump, so the movie is not lying about the advantages of being a smooth liar.
With her wealth, Emily is now the interviewer, not for an honest job but for a crooked organization she owns, and she is still smoothly lying to people because, for Emily (or Trump and his Trumptards or Putin and his Russians) there is no such thing as truth. There are only words creating ideas in other people's heads.
6ix, just as a reminder, your comment is one lie after another. You are not yet smooth. Tying this back to Putin, his comments about Ukraine from before this war started were one smooth lie after another. Who knows where this ends? Maybe like the movie did, Putin and Emily, smug and satisfied that some of their best-designed lies were believed and did give them certain advantages that could be deposited in a bank. And if a few Russians and Ukrainians die, what's the problem? A few people died in Emily the Criminal, and that wasn't Emily's fault, was it? She'd say it wasn't. "Believe me," both Emily and Trump say.
A cool, confident debut whose steady build mirrors the increasing stakes faced by its namesake, John Patton Ford’s Emily the Criminal is a nail-biter that makes the most of the tough side Aubrey Plaza has shown in even her most comic performances.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-reviews/emily-the-crimi
nal-aubrey-plaza-sundance-1235080157/
Emily the Criminal (2022)
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/emily-the-criminal
METASCORE 75 Generally favorable reviews based on 36 Critic Reviews
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Originally posted by SECOND:Quote:6ix, the first line you wrote is false. And the second line. And the third.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You are hyper-focused on Russia because the Biden* administration has screwed up everything that it touched for two years straight.
Consider yourself lucky, despite that double digit IQ of yours, that you somehow managed to be among those who are financially secure enough that you don't have to worry about the economy.
Meanwhile, the (legal) Mexicans and the blacks are voting for not-Democrat along with the rest of us who have two synapses firing.
No. it's not. No it's not. No it's not.
And the great part is, November 8th is getting really close.
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Quote:You are doing the same kind of bragging/lying as Putin was doing at the beginning of his war. Look at how much Ukrainian territory we have taken control away from Nazis! See how mighty we are! Trump did the same in 2020 and ever since he and his Trumptards have nonstop bragged and lied about 2020. If Putin and Russians weren't so criminal, they wouldn't need to lie so much to compensate for mediocre to poor battlefield performance. If Trump and his Trumptards weren't so criminal, they wouldn't brag and lie so much about their mediocre performance, either. I guess criminals have got to be like that to compensate for the qualities they lack which keep them from being successful as honest people are.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No. it's not. No it's not. No it's not.
And the great part is, November 8th is getting really close.
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Since I've arrived at this site, I've answered Signym's and kiki's attacks on America with Russia Russia Russia! Judging by their responses to my posts I'd say I've more than slightly annoyed them.
Well, we are now watching Russia's collapse, i.e., destruction. How sweet is this? Sweet...
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:So, punish Russia because ... bad ideas were acted on in the past?
SignyM:
Punish Russia today because of.... Stalin????
Why are you hyperventilating about WWII? That's like hyperventilating about Confederate generals, for god's sake! You're just trying to drum up outrage by linking current events to past personalities, as if there was some sort of connection.
Seriously, dood. You pretend to be a realist but you're living in some other world.[
SECOND: The same bad old ideas keep repeating in history.
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Experts predicted a stalemate in Ukraine, here’s why they keep getting it wrong
Opinion by Orysia Lutsevych
Ukraine’s recent stunning success in liberating a huge swathe of its territory from Russian occupation directly contradicted months of consensus opinion by commentators and experts who predicted that the war had settled into an indefinite stalemate. Public perception of the conflict, as well as important policy decisions, are swayed by such assumptions. At this stage we must ask: why do experts keep overestimating Russian strength and underestimating Ukraine’s military capabilities, and how can they avoid doing so again?
One obvious point is that western states have gradually increased supplies of powerful and sophisticated weapons, and Ukraine’s forces have convincingly demonstrated they can use them to powerful effect on the battlefield. But this is only part of the story.
By focusing on military hardware, experts often miss the “software” of war: the quality of leadership, morale and motivation, decision-making and governance and the engagement of society.
War is an expression of political culture on the battlefield. And there are stark differences between Ukrainian and Russian culture. Many in the west mistakenly thought Ukraine was just like Russia, but weaker, more corrupt and chaotic. In fact, while Ukraine is by no means perfect, it is more agile and decentralised, compared to the autocratic and rigid Russian state.
On paper, Russia’s military power is massive, with three times the forces, and a 10-fold higher military budget. It looked like Ukraine had no chance of withstanding a full-scale invasion. But it did. President Zelenskiy was extremely effective in stabilising the situation by demonstrating personal bravery, staying in the capital and delivering regular briefings. This wasn’t just a media exercise; his work in boosting morale and organising society around supporting the war effort in novel ways has been crucial to Ukraine’s success.
This societal mobilisation and cohesion have paid off throughout the conflict. The high morale of the Ukrainian armed forces reflects the general societal resolve to resist Russian aggression. Ukraine’s military budget is in effect much larger than the official state funding. Ukrainian citizens and the private sector work to support the army every day, and every company, family and city is providing additional support to soldiers on the battlefield. News outlets fundraise and buy drones for units where their journalists are serving. Agricultural companies send night vision goggles, used all-terrain vehicles, mobile showers, chocolate and much more to employees who have signed up to fight. Private companies of all sizes invest millions in upgrading Soviet equipment with modern microchips and electronics, add armour to vehicles, assemble drones and retune communication devices. Millions of these invisible threads connect soldiers to families and companies back home. They feel they are supported; they know there is a home front.
Moreover, many in the west have underestimated the basic intellectual and combat capacity of Ukraine’s forces. They have substantially improved after eight years of holding back the Russian incursion into Donbas. The strategic deception of drawing more Russian forces to Kherson while concealing the gathering counter-offensive in Kharkiv in the north would be seen as a huge success for any army. The commander-in-chief, General Valeriy Zaluzhny, is 49 years old and has combat experience in Donbas. Younger officers with promise are quickly promoted, and unit commanders are empowered to act independently and provide feedback. He is turning the army into an agile and modern network of truly collaborative units.
The societal crowdsourcing approach employed by Ukrainians has also seriously impeded Russian capacity to advance, occupy and gather intelligence. A new crowdsourcing intelligence tool allows Ukrainians to report Russian collaborators and saboteurs instantly and anonymously. Over 300,000 Ukrainians have used it. Vario
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Originally posted by SECOND:Quote:You are doing the same kind of bragging/lyin... blah blah blah
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No. it's not. No it's not. No it's not.
And the great part is, November 8th is getting really close.
Thanks for proving me right. The only threads you two idiots posted in all day long was the three Russia threads.
Democrats are done. They've got nothing positive to run on.
But keep focusing on this and being delusional that anybody but college educated white folk give one single shit about Ukraine.
And, spoiler alert... The rest of us know that you don't really give a single shit about Ukraine either.
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Quote:Until Pearl Harbor, most Americans, except college educated white folk, didn't care how many millions Hitler killed. The GOP protected Hitler from evil President Roosevelt with his wasteful spending on the lend-lease program, which was a way of helping Hitler's enemies. The GOP still says FDR was a terrible President with wasteful government spending, a Commie, except Biden is even worse.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Thanks for proving me right. The only threads you two idiots posted in all day long was the three Russia threads.
Democrats are done. They've got nothing positive to run on.
But keep focusing on this and being delusional that anybody but college educated white folk give one single shit about Ukraine.
And, spoiler alert... The rest of us know that you don't really give a single shit about Ukraine either.
In the 1938 election, the GOP gained seats in Congress and Democrats lost the support of angry poor white trash, who were angry about blacks and foreigners, Jews in particular, fleeing from Hitler to America. The GOP gained 81 seats in Congress and gained 12 state governorships.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_United_States_elections
In the 1940 election, the GOP gained 4 more Senators and 2 more governorships. Angry poor white trash were very pleased with their continuing gains and hoped to end FDR's wasteful spending on foreign wars after the next election in 1942. Pearl Harbor temporarily slowed that GOP plan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_United_States_elections
In 1942, the GOP gained 9 Senate seats and 47 House seats. Angry poor white trash hated WWII. FDR was losing the war! So much wasteful government spending and still the war wasn't over! Hitler was winning! If a Republican was President, the war would have already been won. FDR was an incompetent commander-in-chief. FDR allowed the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor, according to the GOP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942_United_States_elections
GOP says Roosevelt knew that Japan planned to attack Pearl Harbor and just let it happen
https://fee.org/articles/the-day-of-deceit-the-truth-about-fdr-and-pea
rl-harbor/
Lend-Lease https://www.fdrlibrary.org/lend-lease
09/19/2022 03:16 PM EDT
Ukrainian air defenses have shot down at least 55 Russian warplanes since the start of the war in late February, a U.S. general said Monday, saying the huge losses are a major reason Russian fighter planes and bombers have not played much of a role in the conflict.
Ukrainians took down those planes using older Russian-made air defenses, forcing the Russians to severely limit the sorties they flew near Ukrainian positions. The shootdown also cut Russian ground forces off from the kind of air support they would need to take and hold territory, Air Forces in Europe and Africa commander Gen. James Hecker told reporters at the annual Air Force Association conference.
That lack of protection from the sky has been one of the big surprises of the war, as most analysts expected Russia to quickly establish dominance over Ukraine’s airspace in the early days of the invasion. That failure allowed the Ukrainian air force to regroup and survive mostly intact. Hecker estimated that Ukraine retains about 80 percent of its air force, seven months into the war.
At the Ukraine Defense Contact Group meeting at Ramstein Air Base in Germany this month, one of the “big asks” from the Ukrainians was more SA-10 and SA-11 air defense systems in order to fend off Russian drones and aircraft, Hecker said.
The U.S. doesn’t produce or use the missiles, so the onus is on European allies to supply them to Kyiv.
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/09/19/ukraine-has-shot-down-55-
russian-warplanes-00057569
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Misleading analogy.
Magic Eightball says TRY AGAIN.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Misleading analogy.
Magic Eightball says TRY AGAIN.
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The two idiots talking only about Russia again today, huh?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Misleading analogy.
Magic Goofball says TRY AGAIN.
ZIGGY: Well, they used human shields, didn't they?
What the fck would be the purpose of using your own people as shields when Russians are indiscriminately killing any/all Ukrainians they can?!?!? Fcksake, ZIGGY!
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Quote:I find it completely unsurprising that 6ix is worried about his future and blames Democrats. I have seen this before in the 1960's. I'm 70 now and remember East Texans claiming FDR allowed Pearl Harbor to happen, and that nobody would have attacked America if Herbert Hoover had been President, and that Social Security was not a government program because it took your money before giving it back to you, that Nixon was the greatest wartime President ever, that Germany understood the Jewish threat, that General Robert E Lee was an excellent man. If the truth that Lee was a traitor to his country was mentioned, somebody would get hit. Those East Texans had children who voted for Trump twice and will vote for him again because he represents what they believe in. And if Ukraine is conquered by Russia, it is of no concern to them, but they will blame the Democrats as they blame Democrats for all their struggles, and those of their children, to remain in the middle class. According to those East Texans, America has been nearly destroyed by Socialism, Mexicans, and Jews who run the country behind the cover of the Democratic Party. Did you know the President of Ukraine is Jewish? That explains everything, at least according to the angry poor white trash in East Texas.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Misleading analogy.
Magic Eightball says TRY AGAIN.
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The two idiots talking only about Russia again today, huh?
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Quote:I'm sorry that you're butt-hurt bc you can't argue a point with facts or logic.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Misleading analogy.
Magic Goofball says TRY AGAIN.
ZIGGY: Well, they used human shields, didn't they?
What the fck would be the purpose of using your own people as shields when Russians are indiscriminately killing any/all Ukrainians they can?!?!? Fcksake, ZIGGY!
Kiev has been indiscrimtely shelling UKRAINIAN civilian centers for YEARS, killing thousands. Clearly, they don't mind killing SOME Ukrainians (ie Russian-speaking ones) or using SOME Ukrainians (Russian-speaking ones) as human shields (documented by Amnesty International). You've never accepted the fact that there is a political and cultural divide in Ukraine, and that Kiev sees SOME "Ukrianians" not as fellow citizens but as a subgroup that is to be ethnically cleansed.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I'm sorry that you're butt-hurt bc you can't argue a point with facts or logic.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Misleading analogy.
Magic Goofball says TRY AGAIN.
ZIGGY: Well, they used human shields, didn't they?
What the fck would be the purpose of using your own people as shields when Russians are indiscriminately killing any/all Ukrainians they can?!?!? Fcksake, ZIGGY!
Kiev has been indiscrimtely shelling UKRAINIAN civilian centers for YEARS, killing thousands. Clearly, they don't mind killing SOME Ukrainians (ie Russian-speaking ones) or using SOME Ukrainians (Russian-speaking ones) as human shields (documented by Amnesty International). You've never accepted the fact that there is a political and cultural divide in Ukraine, and that Kiev sees SOME "Ukrianians" not as fellow citizens but as a subgroup that is to be ethnically cleansed.
Not to worry. One thing we can be sure of, is that Signyms' reputation will never recover from her years of pro Putin posts.
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SECOND- who gives a fuck what east Texans think?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I'm sorry that you're butt-hurt bc you can't argue a point with facts or logic.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Misleading analogy.
Magic Goofball says TRY AGAIN.
ZIGGY: Well, they used human shields, didn't they?
What the fck would be the purpose of using your own people as shields when Russians are indiscriminately killing any/all Ukrainians they can?!?!? Fcksake, ZIGGY!
Kiev has been indiscrimtely shelling UKRAINIAN civilian centers for YEARS, killing thousands. Clearly, they don't mind killing SOME Ukrainians (ie Russian-speaking ones) or using SOME Ukrainians (Russian-speaking ones) as human shields (documented by Amnesty International). You've never accepted the fact that there is a political and cultural divide in Ukraine, and that Kiev sees SOME "Ukrianians" not as fellow citizens but as a subgroup that is to be ethnically cleansed.
Do facts and logic say that those centers were in Bucha? Izyum? Kharkiv? No? Huh. So much for your facts.
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Quote:The East Texans would agree that Pity would be no more (East Texans would no more live pitiful lives) if we did not make someone poor (if East Texans are not made poor by the Democratic Party and, especially, the Jews who are behind the Democratic Party). There is a version of that for Russians where the Jewish President of Ukraine is making Russian speakers poor who live inside the borders of Ukraine. Magnificent Putin came to the rescue of those Russian speakers, just as Magnificent Trump came to the rescue of East Texans.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND- who gives a fuck what east Texans think?
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Quote:Blame Kiev for massacring civilians. Yanni,like they've been doing all along I know that fact causes your mental gears to lock up, but that is reality. No matter how much smoke and metal shavings blow out of your ears.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I'm sorry that you're butt-hurt bc you can't argue a point with facts or logic.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Misleading analogy.
Magic Goofball says TRY AGAIN.
ZIGGY: Well, they used human shields, didn't they?
What the fck would be the purpose of using your own people as shields when Russians are indiscriminately killing any/all Ukrainians they can?!?!? Fcksake, ZIGGY!
Kiev has been indiscrimtely shelling UKRAINIAN civilian centers for YEARS, killing thousands. Clearly, they don't mind killing SOME Ukrainians (ie Russian-speaking ones) or using SOME Ukrainians (Russian-speaking ones) as human shields (documented by Amnesty International). You've never accepted the fact that there is a political and cultural divide in Ukraine, and that Kiev sees SOME "Ukrianians" not as fellow citizens but as a subgroup that is to be ethnically cleansed.
Do facts and logic say that those centers were in Bucha? Izyum? Kharkiv? No? Huh. So much for your facts.
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Quote:Signym, you talk like a magician, but your illusion doesn't convince because all you have is talk. Where is the smoke? Where are the mirrors? Where is the trapdoor that Putin drops down underneath the stage so that he can reappear behind the audience to convince them he has a teleportation device? That is a reference to the movie The Prestige https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prestige_(film)
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Blame Kiev for massacring civilians. Yanni,like they've been doing all along I know that fact causes your mental gears to lock up, but that is reality. No matter how much smoke and metal shavings blow out of your ears.
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You couldn't even point out Ukraine on a map in 2021 dildo.
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Quote:Signym, you talk like a magician, but your illusion doesn't convince because all you have is talk.
Originally posted by SECOND:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Blame Kiev for massacring civilians. Yanni,like they've been doing all along I know that fact causes your mental gears to lock up, but that is reality. No matter how much smoke and metal shavings blow out of your ears.
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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
You have less than talk.
Your "info" all begins with a version of "Kiev says...".
Lies that should be trashed with the Ghost of Kiev, Snake Island "fuck you", the mass rape stories and the other lies that you bring us, SECONDhand.
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Quote:Putin, the best magician the Russians have, says "Presto chango!" and the meaning of the war in Ukraine is instantly inverted. When Putin speaks, the dead killed by Russians rise from the grave. But then they fall down dead, again, this time killed by Ukrainians. It is pure magic! "Believe me!" says Putin (or Trump) and their followers will believe. "Prest-O Change-O" is a word trick along with "Fake News", which Trump uses repetitively.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You have less than talk.
Your "info" all begins with a version of "Kiev says...".
Lies that should be trashed with the Ghost of Kiev, Snake Island "fuck you", the mass rape stories and the other lies that you bring us, SECONDhand.
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Quote:In a rare national address, Putin plans for Russia to annex as new Russian land occupied areas of southern and eastern Ukraine. Putin threatened nuclear retaliation if Kyiv continues its efforts to reclaim that land. Putin did not specify if he was nuking America, or not.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You couldn't even point out Ukraine on a map in 2021 dildo.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-announces-partial-mobilizatio
n-russian-military-ukraine-war-rcna48585
6ix, you don't know where Ukraine is, but Putin knows where you live and has your nuke.
Vowing that Russia would use all the means at its disposal to protect what it considers its territory, Putin accused the West of nuclear blackmail and warned: “I am not bluffing.” That was pure Putin magic: he threatens to nuke America and "Presto chango" it becomes America blackmail threatens to nuke Russia.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Do facts and logic say that those centers were in Bucha? Izyum? Kharkiv? No? Huh. So much for your facts.
Blame Kiev for massacring civilians. Yanni,like they've been doing all along I know that fact causes your mental gears to lock up, but that is reality. No matter how much smoke and metal shavings blow out of your ears.
What's your proof? Just saying something doesn't make it so, and it sure doesn't answer my question.
Were those pro Russian Ukrainians that you say Kiev bombed in Bucha? Izyum? Kharkiv? If not, looks like Russians murdered and tortured the Ukrainians there.
OR...
Are you saying that zero Ukrainian civilians have been harmed by any invading Russian troops?
Are you saying that ALL Ukrainian civilian deaths/harm/torture that has happen since Russia invaded Ukraine has been done by Ukrainians?
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Originally posted by SECOND:
Vowing that Russia would use all the means at its disposal to protect what it considers its territory, Putin accused the West of nuclear blackmail and warned: “I am not bluffing.” That was pure Putin magic: he threatens to nuke America and "Presto chango" it becomes America blackmail threatens to nuke Russia.
Pure KGB training. All for a nothing piece of dirt. What a complete fckwad - someone drop a piano on his head. Now, please.
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Opinion: Putin has just laid a land mine under his regime
by Andrei Kolesnikov, Updated 9:51 AM ET, Wed September 21, 2022
Editor’s note: Andrei Kolesnikov is a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. He is the author of several books on the political and social history of Russia, including “Five Five-Year Liberal Reforms.” Origins of Russian Modernization and Egor Gaidar’s Legacy.”
In a televised national address Wednesday morning, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a partial mobilization. This means that he has essentially broken an unwritten social contract with Russians: we, the citizens, allow you, the authorities, to steal and fight, but in exchange you stay out of our private lives.
Beginning a new phase of the war, the cornered Putin is dragging a significant portion of Russians behind him. He has de facto declared war on the domestic front – not only on the opposition and civil society, but on the male population of Russia.
Why is Putin taking the risk? Because he himself has encouraged the lack of public attention to the war for several months. Mobilization is fraught with serious discontent in society. That is precisely why he decided to make a partial mobilization, rather than a full one. In the long run, he laid a mine under his regime; in the short run, he will face sabotage.
For so long, Putin fostered a disinclination among the masses for war, a disinclination that will now cost the Russians, who are being turned into cannon fodder.
How might Wednesday’s announcement take Russians out of their comfort zone – those who remained indifferent to the “special operation” in the current circumstances?
Until now at least, the main emotion (or rather, its absence) felt here was indifference. That indifference comes in different shades – genuine, imitative or self-cultivated.
The Russian who falls within the 30% who “rather” support the “special operation” (nearly 50% “definitely” support it, slightly less than 20% do not support it) has no opinion of his own, prefers to borrow it from the TV or from Putin, blocks out for himself the bad news and alternative sources of information. But he sometimes does not like the war itself, and a person in this 30% could potentially change his attitude toward Putin and his initiatives.
The indifference of ordinary people benefits Putin. We, the citizens, do not interfere in the affairs of our political class and support their initiatives, but in exchange we ask them to maintain an impression of normality.
Which is what Putin does, skillfully combining partial mobilization in support of the war and himself (which happened immediately after the invasion began) and demobilization. Entertainment programs are back on TV, fireworks went off on annual Moscow City Day festivities (an ironic joke of this day was that Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin celebrated the start of the Ukrainian counteroffensive), and people live their normal lives – interest in the events in Ukraine has been low throughout the summer.
But even those who were indifferent could not ignore the Ukrainian counterattack. Although here, too, a reluctance to know the truth prevailed: if the officials said that it was not a retreat, but a regrouping of troops, then that was the case. Yet even the official Kremlin talk shows were full of admissions of failure.
This did not provoke a desire for peace – which is also present in the mood even of those who generally support the operation – but caused an explosion of aggression and hate speech. There were calls to “take off the white gloves” and already really punish Ukraine. This is what Putin has done by launching missile strikes on infrastructure – power plants and hydroelectric facilities. This is revenge and anger, but anger that reveals weakness rather than strength.
The radicals are unhappy with Putin and demand a war to the bitter end and general mobilization. But the Kremlin dictator lacks the resources for a quick victory, including, above all, human resources (which is why he is beginning to r
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Quote:Huh. Seems like you don't think Ukraine is more than a "fucking piece of dirt".
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Vowing that Russia would use all the means at its disposal to protect what it considers its territory, Putin accused the West of nuclear blackmail and warned: “I am not bluffing.” That was pure Putin magic: he threatens to nuke America and "Presto chango" it becomes America blackmail threatens to nuke Russia.
Pure KGB training. All for a nothing piece of dirt.
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Quote:The Kremlin Must Be in Crisis
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Huh. Seems like you don't think Ukraine is more than a "fucking piece of dirt".
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If an American president announced a major speech, booked the networks for 8 p.m., and then disappeared until the following morning, the analysis would be immediate and damning: chaos, disarray, indecision. The White House must be in crisis.
In the past 24 hours, this is exactly what happened in Moscow. The Russian president really did announce a major speech, alert state television, warn journalists, and then disappear without explanation. Although Vladimir Putin finally gave his speech to the nation this morning, the same conclusions have to apply: chaos, disarray, indecision. The Kremlin must be in crisis.
In part, the crisis stems from Putin’s fears that he will lose whatever counts as his international support. No ideology holds together the global autocrats’ club, and no sentiment does either. As long as they believed Russia really had the second largest army in the world, as long as Putin seemed destined to stay in power indefinitely, then the leaders of China, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, along with the strongmen running India and Turkey, were happy to tolerate his company.
But Putin’s supposedly inevitable military victory is in jeopardy. His army looks weak. Western sanctions make problems not just for him but his trading partners, and their tolerance is receding. At a summit in Uzbekistan last week, he was snubbed by a series of Central Asian leaders. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi told him that “today’s era is not an era of war,” and Chinese President Xi Jinping expressed his “concerns” as well. On Monday, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan told PBS that he had urged Putin to end the war: “The lands which were invaded will be returned to Ukraine.” And those lands, he made clear, should include Crimea, which Russia annexed in 2014, following a sham referendum much like the ones it now plans to stage in other parts of occupied Ukraine.
But while losing support abroad is bad, losing support at home is worse, and there are some signs of that too. Putin might not care much about the Russian liberals and exiles who oppose the war, but he may worry (and should worry) about people who are supposed to be on his side.
“Mobilization is, let’s put it bluntly, our only chance to avoid a crushing defeat,” one of them recently wrote. No one has stopped or arrested these critics, perhaps because they have protectors high up inside the security services, or perhaps because they are connected to the heavily armed mercenaries who are now doing much of the important fighting in Ukraine. If their loyalty isn’t assured, then Putin isn’t secure either.
At the same time, the Russian president has to balance the discontent of that heavily armed minority against the wishes of the mostly apathetic, mostly silent majority. For the past six months, Putin has been telling the latter that there is no war, just a special military operation; that Russia has suffered no losses, just some temporary setbacks. Given that the army is victorious and everything is fine, most people need not alter their lives in any way. Now events have forced Putin to change his language, but it seems there are limits. Thus he speaks not of a true mass mobilization — which would involve conscripting young men in enormous numbers — but of partial mobilization: no students, no general call-up, just the activation of reservists with past military experience. Supposedly Russia has 300,000 such people, though it’s not clear how many of them are actually fit to fight or whether there are enough weapons and gear for them either.
Finally, and perhaps most important, the speech and a series of legal changes announced yesterday reflect a crisis inside the military. In truth, the Russian army faces not just a logistical emergency or some tactical problems but also a collapse in
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It appears the third Leftist retard ducked in today to say nothing about anything going on except for Ukraine.
That's because Democrats are about to be destroyed, and all three of you fucktards know it.
RCP just took one of the 8 senate tossups and gave it to the GOP today.
Funny that. The fake polls make Biden*'s current approval numbers look as good as Trump's average right now, but Democrats are scared shitless about what's coming.
But keep talking about Russia when nobody cares.
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Quote:Stupid stupid stupid.
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Do facts and logic say that those centers were in Bucha? Izyum? Kharkiv? No? Huh. So much for your facts.
Blame Kiev for massacring civilians. Yanni,like they've been doing all along I know that fact causes your mental gears to lock up, but that is reality. No matter how much smoke and metal shavings blow out of your ears.
What's your proof? Just saying something doesn't make it so, and it sure doesn't answer my question.
Were those pro Russian Ukrainians that you say Kiev bombed in Bucha? Izyum? Kharkiv? If not, looks like Russians murdered and tortured the Ukrainians there.
OR...
Are you saying that zero Ukrainian civilians have been harmed by any invading Russian troops?
Are you saying that ALL Ukrabinian civilian deaths/harm/torture that has happen since Russia invaded Ukraine has been done by Ukrainians?
Were these ppl killed by flechettes? Other ordnance? Tortured and murdered? You CAN tell what happened, and when, and therefore assign responsibility. But the two possibilities- having been shelled or individually killed- aren't mix-n-match possibilities. They might have been shelled by Russians or Kiev. They might have been murdered individually by Russians or Kiev.
But not "[either]Kiev bombed or Russians murdered and tortured". That's just inexpressibly stupid.
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Quote:Natural gas production companies were making money at this time last year. Now that natural gas prices are up, thanks to Putin, the production companies are making a killing and an election will not change that killing because politicians in America have zero control over prices. Most Trumptards don't know that because they don't have any control. Somehow inflation must be the fault of the Federal Reserve Bank interest rates. The Chair of the Federal Reserve, Jerome Powell, announced today that he was increasing the rate by .75%. Most Trumptards don't know that Jerome Powell is a Republican appointed by Trump. Powell said today that there is not enough unemployment. He won't stop raising interest rates until he has forced more people out of work. Since Trumptards won't be reading what Powell said, they won't know it.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It appears the third Leftist retard ducked in today to say nothing about anything going on except for Ukraine.
That's because Democrats are about to be destroyed, and all three of you fucktards know it.
RCP just took one of the 8 senate tossups and gave it to the GOP today.
Funny that. The fake polls make Biden*'s current approval numbers look as good as Trump's average right now, but Democrats are scared shitless about what's coming.
But keep talking about Russia when nobody cares.
https://www.federalreserve.gov/mediacenter/files/FOMCpresconf20220921.
FOMC participants expect supply and demand conditions in the labor market to come into better balance over time, easing the upward pressure on wages and prices. The median projection in the SEP for the unemployment rate rises to 4.4 percent at the end of next year, one half percentage point higher than in the June projections. Over the next three years, the median unemployment rate runs above the median estimate of its longer-run normal level.
Sadly, when an American reads a paragraph such this one, most fail to comprehend its meaning.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Stupid stupid stupid.
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Do facts and logic say that those centers were in Bucha? Izyum? Kharkiv? No? Huh. So much for your facts.
Blame Kiev for massacring civilians. Yanni,like they've been doing all along I know that fact causes your mental gears to lock up, but that is reality. No matter how much smoke and metal shavings blow out of your ears.
What's your proof? Just saying something doesn't make it so, and it sure doesn't answer my question.
Were those pro Russian Ukrainians that you say Kiev bombed in Bucha? Izyum? Kharkiv? If not, looks like Russians murdered and tortured the Ukrainians there.
OR...
Are you saying that zero Ukrainian civilians have been harmed by any invading Russian troops?
Are you saying that ALL Ukrabinian civilian deaths/harm/torture that has happen since Russia invaded Ukraine has been done by Ukrainians?
Were these ppl killed by flechettes? Other ordnance? Tortured and murdered? You CAN tell what happened, and when, and therefore assign responsibility. But the two possibilities- having been shelled or individually killed- aren't mix-n-match possibilities. They might have been shelled by Russians or Kiev. They might have been murdered individually by Russians or Kiev.
But not "[either]Kiev bombed or Russians murdered and tortured". That's just inexpressibly stupid.
it's like those street hawkers doing the old shell game. Meanwhile: What's your proof? Just saying something doesn't make it so, and it sure doesn't answer my question.
Were those pro Russian Ukrainians that you say Kiev bombed in Bucha? Izyum? Kharkiv? If not, looks like Russians murdered and tortured the Ukrainians there.
Keep deflecting, I'll keep asking.
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Bonus dbl - extra stupid stupid stupid for Ziggy
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Originally posted by SECOND
Trump
Trumpety Trump
T.r.u.m.p.
Trump?
TRUMP!
Seems the only topic than can outcompete RUSSIARUSSIA! for SECOND'S attention is Trump.
Yanno, like the DNC today.
/snicker
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Quote:No matter how many times you ask the question, it's still too nonsensical to answer.
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Stupid stupid stupid.
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Do facts and logic say that those centers were in Bucha? Izyum? Kharkiv? No? Huh. So much for your facts.
Blame Kiev for massacring civilians. Yanni,like they've been doing all along I know that fact causes your mental gears to lock up, but that is reality. No matter how much smoke and metal shavings blow out of your ears.
What's your proof? Just saying something doesn't make it so, and it sure doesn't answer my question.
Were those pro Russian Ukrainians that you say Kiev bombed in Bucha? Izyum? Kharkiv? If not, looks like Russians murdered and tortured the Ukrainians there.
OR...
Are you saying that zero Ukrainian civilians have been harmed by any invading Russian troops?
Are you saying that ALL Ukrabinian civilian deaths/harm/torture that has happen since Russia invaded Ukraine has been done by Ukrainians?
Were these ppl killed by flechettes? Other ordnance? Tortured and murdered? You CAN tell what happened, and when, and therefore assign responsibility. But the two possibilities- having been shelled or individually killed- aren't mix-n-match possibilities. They might have been shelled by Russians or Kiev. They might have been murdered individually by Russians or Kiev.
But not "[either]Kiev bombed or Russians murdered and tortured". That's just inexpressibly stupid.
Meanwhile: What's your proof? Just saying something doesn't make it so, and it sure doesn't answer my question.
Were those pro Russian Ukrainians that you say Kiev bombed in Bucha? Izyum? Kharkiv? If not, looks like Russians murdered and tortured the Ukrainians there.
Keep deflecting, I'll keep asking.
The people killed in Bucha were killed by flechettes. Those are dispersed with force by artillery shells, you don't stick them into people's bodies as a form of torture.
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So, thinking of loud as I sometimes do here...
What to make of the sudden acceleration of Russia's military timetable?
Early on, the sudden invasion of Kharkov and the seige of Kiev was prolly meant to intimidate Kiev into negotiating. If you recall, embassies were bailing from Kiev in a panic and setting up in Lviv. And, apparently, Kiev and Moscow had some sort of negotiating breakthrough in Turkey in March, until BoJo set Z straight on Z's expected role: to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. Then Kiev reneged on its proposals and negotiations ended.
The second phase seems to be where Moscow found its economic footing and appeared content to let the fight drag on, using mainly Donbas militia and the Wagner group to do the infantry fighting while they provided air and artillery support, intelligence and so forth, degrading Kiev's forces on a slow-moving front. There seemed to be many good reasons to continue that way: the west was (and still is) deteriorating economically and politically faster, and Kiev's casualty rate was multiples of Russia's.
So, if it's going swimmingly, why change?
Lots of possibilities, but one general possibility is that the collective west, rather than reversing policies that were leading to
1) the ultimate destruction of Kiev's forces, and
2) demilitarization of the collective west and
3) economic privation and political instability at home and
4) weakening of the petrodollar abroad and
4) greater Russian economic resilience at home and influence abroad
kept doubling down on failed policies. Perhaps the Russian leadership gave too much credit to western elite's rationality and, realizing their mistake, decided to finalize the operation before the collective west did anything irretrievable. There's a possibility that the USA has already sent long range missiles to Kiev, or would soon. This might be an attempt to preempt that.
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So, what does this mean for the future?
Well, once the oblasts have their referenda and are formally accepted into Russia, that's the end of the SMO. Any attack on these territories will be consistent act of war.
The Donbas militias presumably folded into to Russian military will no longer be haring and hounding after militarily secondary targets.
The restrictions imposed by SMO designation will be lifted. The Russian military will no longer be confined to a supporting role.
Participation of western powers in attacking the Donbas will be considered an act of war against Russia itself. Russia will be justified in applying embargoes and counter sanctions against nations against which it is at war, and potentially striking military centers outside of Ukraine.
Of course, folding the Donbas into Russia doesn't obviate Russia's security problem with what's left of Ukraine, or with NATO either. It just moves the border problem westward. So I think to see the full power of the Russian military unleashed on western Ukraine.
Which brings me to an interesting question that I heard posed: How will we know it's The End for Kiev, assuming it comes?
Will it be a full surrender in Kiev, a la Berlin in 1945?
A military coup in Kiev?
The Z regime decamping to Poland where it sets up a(n irrelevant) "government in exile" while Russia sets up a puppet government in Kiev?
The Z regime decamping to their various villas and mansions outside of Ukraine,leaving the military or low level functionaries to set up an "interim" government?
Something else?
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I know what Powell said, you dumb shit. I don't need leftist retards on fireflyfans to point that out to me. A) I read more Leftist fake news than I do anything else. B) I know far more about financials than you do.
Stop worrying about your "Trumptards". You've lost everyone else now too.
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It's amazing how quickly their posts turn to Trumptrumptrump now, innit?
They know that "Slava Ukraini!" loses votes so they're trying to memory-hole it. But don't worry: they'll resurrect its ghost whenever they want to accuse "someone" of "something".
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Quote:I get two things out of this:
Russian Nukes Can Be Used To Defend Annexed Ukraine Regions, Kremlin Warns
Thursday, Sep 22, 2022 - 01:45 PM
Once again Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council, has served the role of issuing more severe 'read between the lines' warnings and threats fresh off President Vladimir Putin's Wednesday speech announcing partial mobilization of national forces and which confirmed referendums of occupied portions of Ukraine to join the Russian Federation.
It supports my idea that Russia is attempting to cut western escalation off at the knees, and...
Since the Kremlin has assigned an "attack dog" role to Medvedev, they're attempting to rehabilitate his reputation from being a westernized soy boy into a Russian nationalist, possibly with the view of setting him up as a contender for Russian leadership role
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND
Trump
Trumpety Trump
T.r.u.m.p.
Trump?
TRUMP!
Seems the only topic than can outcompete RUSSIARUSSIA! for SECOND'S attention is Trump.
Yanno, like the DNC today.
/snicker
Granny doesn't know who posted what. Maybe it's too hard for her to follow more than one subject?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The people killed in Bucha were killed by flechettes.
Russian flechettes? Mexican flechettes? Cites? Proof?
More importantly: The people in Bucha were killed in many ways and torture was a common part of the dead. I linked to the wiki article and suggested you search on the same. Did you? Too afraid to find out the truth? (I laugh) Or just well past caring, your mind is made up?
Typical hysterical woman.
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Quote:What amazes me is how evil thinks it is good.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's amazing how quickly their posts turn to Trumptrumptrump now, innit?
If your idea of a fun evening is staring into the deepest depths of the abyss of human evil, I have a movie recommendation for you! The Act of Killing is a documentary that features some of the butchers who slaughtered over a million people in Indonesia in the mid 1960s. Because the right wing death squads became the country’s government, these mass murderers were not brought to justice; they were rewarded. Fifty years later, the heads of death squads are elder statesmen of evil—celebrities of a sort, but celebrities everyone is clearly terrified of.
The Act of Killing asks these men to recreate their crimes as film sequences. They’re too vain and too stupid to understand that they’re really being asked to explain themselves, so they cast themselves as action heroes, but can’t always manage to maintain the facade as the self-reflection needed to make art forces them to reckon with what they’ve done.
10 Great Movies About 10 of History's Worst People
Someday it will be 12 Great Movies, when Putin and Trump get their own movies.
https://lifehacker.com/10-great-movies-about-10-of-historys-worst-peop
le-1849547844/slides/8
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:I did an independent search for the investigative findings on Bucha, which I linked in a previous post. No mention of torture, even by vehemently anti-Russian The Guardian. That claim probably originated in Kiev. But then, Kiev lies a lot.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The people killed in Bucha were killed by flechettes.
Russian flechettes? Mexican flechettes? Cites? Proof?
More importantly: The people in Bucha were killed in many ways and torture was a common part of the dead. I linked to the wiki article and suggested you search on the same. Did you? Too afraid to find out the truth? (I laugh) Or just well past caring, your mind is made up?
Typical hysterical woman.
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Quote:Nah... I leave that to you. You CLEARLY despise most of humanity and revel in unbridled greed and narcissism. Oh BTW, those right wing death squads? They were armed by the USA, bc they were " anti-Communist".
Originally posted by SECOND:Quote:What amazes me is how evil thinks it is good.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's amazing how quickly their posts turn to Trumptrumptrump now, innit?
If your idea of a fun evening is staring into the deepest depths of the abyss of human evil,..
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/10/the-indonesi
a-documents-and-the-us-agenda/543534/
You see, we have no problems funding death squads in Indonesia...or Central America .. or funding ISIS in Syria... or Nazis in Ukraine... as long as they're against Russia.
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Quote:The Trumptards imagine they are elevated individuals. The Trumptards I know go to church and support their football team, but the loftiest institutions they are associated with do not cancel out the common truths Trumptards try to hide about themselves. Trump lies and cheats on his taxes and Trumptards don't care because they'd do the same, if in the same position. Putin kills Ukrainians to steal their land and Russians don't care because Ukraine is Russian land, not the Ukrainians'.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Nah... I leave that to you. You CLEARLY despise most of humanity and revel in unbridled greed and narcissism.
Originally posted by SECOND:Quote:What amazes me is how evil thinks it is good.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's amazing how quickly their posts turn to Trumptrumptrump now, innit?
If your idea of a fun evening is staring into the deepest depths of the abyss of human evil,..
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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