Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Quote:6ix, Signym and Putin act as if they are non-living computer simulations of long-dead people inside the movie “Discontinued”. Movie Info: Sarah is a millennial with high anxiety and a low opinion of what the future holds for humanity. When a bizarre broadcast reveals that reality is just an elaborate computer simulation that will be shut down in one week, she watches on as madness ensues.
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Quote:The Russians are anxious. They are realizing that all their nukes and all their imagined superiority do not guarantee another WWII victory against Nazis. It is not even guaranteed the Russians will be able to maintain a life style that is, at present, less than half as prosperous as being Canadians. The Russians could sink lower, down to the level of a North Korean looking at how much better life is just across the border in South Korea.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think what we're seeing is reality seeping into SECOND's fevered brain. He senses that Ukraine is on the losing side of this war... by extension so is NATO ... and he just can't cope.
Russian milbloggers and other prominent voices in the pro-war information space continue to respond to recent Ukrainian counterattacks with varying degrees of caution and anxiety. Many milbloggers claimed that Ukrainian activity around Bakhmut marks the official beginning of the anticipated spring counteroffensive and speculated about where Ukraine’s main effort will take place.[9] Several prominent Russian voices, however, urged caution and restraint in responding to the counteroffensive, suggesting that some milbloggers are advocating for the application of certain lessons they took from the information space meltdown during Ukraine’s successful Kharkiv and Kherson counteroffensives. Some milbloggers warned that reports about Ukrainian success could be a deliberate Ukrainian attempt to sow panic.[10] Another milblogger warned against accepting all reports that Ukrainian activities are “psychological operations” at face value and voiced concern about Russian propaganda responses to the counterattacks.[11] One milblogger suggested that credible reports of Ukrainian counterattacks do not mean that “everything is on fire,” cautioning the audience against falling into despair.[12] The milblogger remarked that telling the truth about Ukrainian operations does not amount to ”sowing panic.”[13] The overall Russian information space response appears to be focused on the idea of avoiding spreading panic.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-may-12-2023
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Ukrainian forces continue to counterattack in the Bakhmut area amid unconfirmed claims of further marginal Ukrainian gains southwest of the city as of May 13. A Russian milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces established new positions on the outskirts of Kurdyumivka (14km southwest of Bakhmut) and pushed Russian forces behind the Siversky Donets-Donbas canal in the area.[1] The milblogger also claimed that Ukrainian forces advanced towards Klishchiivka (7km southwest of Bakhmut) from the direction of Predtechyne (16km southwest of Bakhmut). ISW has not observed visual confirmation of these additional Ukrainian gains southwest of Bakhmut or elsewhere in the wider Bakhmut area as of May 13. Ukrainian Eastern Grouping of Forces Commander Colonel General Oleksandr Syrskyi stated on May 13 that Ukrainian forces are advancing in unspecified areas of the front, and the Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces are currently conducting active operations in the Bakhmut area.[2] Ukrainian Eastern Grouping of Forces Spokesperson Colonel Serhiy Cherevaty stated on May 13 that Ukrainian forces liberated 17.3 square kilometers of territory in the Bakhmut direction over three days of counterattacks.[3] ISW has assessed as of May 13 that the Ukrainian forces have liberated 16.85 square kilometers in the Bakhmut area during recent counterattacks. Russian sources amplified footage purporting to show the aftermath of a recent Ukrainian counterattack on Russian positions near Mayorsk (20km southwest of Bakhmut) and claimed that the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) 3rd Brigade of the 1st Army Corps repelled the assaults.[4] A prominent Russian milblogger claimed that recent successful limited Ukrainian counterattacks north of Khromove (immediately west of Bakhmut) degraded Russian forces’ ability to interdict the O0506 highway between Khromove and Chasiv Yar (13km west of Bakhmut), a significant ground line of communication (GLOC) for Ukrainian forces operating in Bakhmut itself.[5] The milblogger claimed that Russian retreats in response to recent Ukrainian counterattacks have occurred in relatively small areas of the frontline but warned that these “regroupings” could become more significant if Russian forces fail to stabilize the frontline.[6] Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin claimed on May 12 that talks of tactical Russian withdrawals are nonsense as Russian forces continue to outright abandon positions in unspecified locations.[7]
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-may-13-2023
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The West must cross more red lines in the Ukraine war, says Lithuanian president
Gitanas Nauseda would like to see the Allies send fighter jets and long-range missiles as soon as possible: ‘All the lost time means more broken lives and more destroyed infrastructure’
by Carlos Torralba
Madrid - MAY 12, 2023 - 13:56 EDT
His exquisite manners clash with the forcefulness of his messages. Over the last 15 months, the president of Lithuania, Gitanas Nauseda, 58, has become one of the main allies of the Ukrainian government. Since the beginning of the Russian invasion, he has demanded an ever greater commitment from the West: more and better weapons for Ukraine and the adoption of new sanctions against Russia. The Lithuanian leader urges the members of the EU and NATO to ignore the so-called red lines and to support Kiyv with everything necessary to win the war.
On a recent visit to Madrid as part of a European tour to address the future summit of the Atlantic Alliance, to be held in Lithuania in July, Nauseda spoke to EL PAÍS after meeting with Spain’s Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez and before visiting King Felipe VI.
Question. You have argued in recent months that the West needs to deliver many more weapons to Ukraine. Don’t you think there is any chance of reaching a negotiated solution?
Answer. We all are interested to see peace negotiations, but those peace negotiations should not be performed at the cost of the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Otherwise, it would be difficult to expect that this will be a frank and honest negotiation, and probably Russia will use the opportunity to consolidate resources and to organize the offensive again. Both sides are too far away from each other to find a compromise on many issues. So this is the reason why right now I am not very optimistic about possible chances to sit at the table and to discuss issues which are relevant. In order to have a frank negotiation, it’s very important to see the progress of Ukrainian forces on the battlefield.
Q. What does Ukraine need to achieve these gains on the ground?
A. I think that Western countries are living up to the expectations of the Ukrainians, but unfortunately we are being very slow in making important decisions. It has taken us too long to cross the red lines. At first, there were doubts about the possibility of sending any type of weaponry; then one red line after another was crossed, as with missile launcher systems or tanks.
Q. What red lines need to be crossed now? Modern fighter jets and long-range cruise missiles?
A. Yes, I think those red lines can be crossed now too. And we had better do it as soon as possible, because all the hesitations of the past have been a waste of valuable time. All the lost time means more broken lives and more destroyed infrastructure.
Q. The European Commission is working on a new package of sanctions against Russia. What else can be included?
A. Lithuania has consistently advocated for even tougher sanctions, and we would like to see [state-owned energy company] Rosatom and its board of directors added to the sanctions list. Diamonds and dual-use [civilian and military] technology should also be included, in addition to making a greater effort to prevent Russia from circumventing sanctions.
Q. Do you think China can act as a mediator?
A. China can prove that it can be a global player on the international scene, but only with one precondition. It has to condemn the war in Ukraine and clearly state who is the aggressor and who is the victim. From this moment on, China might be very constructive in solving this conflict and especially providing the forum for peace negotiations.
Q. The next NATO summit will be held in July in Vilnius, the Lithuanian capital. What do you expect from that appointment?
A. We have a very ambitious agenda for the summit. One of the main issues will be to implement all the agreements reached last year in Madrid in relation to the Alliance’s Reinforced Forward Defense operation in the Baltics, which is essential for
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Russia’s Air Force Has a Very Fiery Day at the Border as It Tries to Bomb Ukraine
Apocalyptic scenes were on display in Russia’s Bryansk region Saturday as four military aircraft were apparently blown out of the sky near the border, killing at least 9 Russian service members.
Officially, authorities blamed the Mi-8 helicopter crash on a mysterious engine fire, but video shared on social media by local residents appeared to show a missile hit the chopper just before it exploded.
Around the same time the chopper crashed, an Su-34 fighter jet also came crashing down from the sky engulfed in flames. Residents in the town of Klintsy could be seen gathering around to gaze in horror at the fiery wreckage of the jet in a nearby wooded area.
Separately, Russian media reported that a different Mi-8 helicopter and an Su-35 jet had also been shot down in the region.
Russia’s Kommersant newspaper reported that all crew members aboard all four aircraft were killed. Russian authorities, meanwhile, remained mum on the simultaneous catastrophes, confirming only the crash of a single chopper.
According to Kommersant, all four aircraft had been tasked with carrying out strikes on Ukraine’s Chernihiv region, with the choppers assigned to back up the fighter jets.
But they were apparently shot down instead. According to Baza, at least 9 Russian service members are dead.
Authorities in the region are now said to be frantically searching for Ukrainian “saboteurs” who shot down the aircraft, though some questioned if Russia may have actually shot down its own planes in its paranoia over Ukraine obtaining new long-range cruise missiles.
Pro-war Russian military bloggers are now demanding revenge over what they described as an “ambush” on Russia’s air force by Ukrainian forces.
“Our aviation has not suffered such losses as today since March of last year,” one pro-Kremlin Telegram channel complained.
“We will avenge everyone, we will kill everyone,” another pro-war channel said.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russias-air-force-has-a-very-fiery-day-a
t-the-border-as-it-tries-to-bomb-ukraine
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Translation of https://t.me/istories_media/2518
The Kremlin has banned high-ranking officials from resigning during the war. Dissenters threatened with prosecution
Four sources told Important Stories about this: a former FSB officer, a political strategist working with the governor of one of the Russian regions, and two acquaintances of high-ranking officials of the presidential administration (AP).
“I am aware of at least two cases when governors tried to leave their posts, but in the UVP (the internal policy department of the Presidential Administration - Ed.), they were not just banned, but hinted at criminal cases,” says a former FSB officer. An acquaintance of the official from the Presidential Administration also heard about this ban: “There are many who want [to leave] after the start of the war. If everyone leaves, control will be lost.” In the Presidential Administration, the desire to leave the post is regarded as a betrayal, so the task of “demonstrating unity” was set before civil servants.
Previously, several FSB officers complained to "Important Stories" that because of the mobilization announced by Putin, they could not quit. According to a presidential decree, servicemen under contract (the majority of FSB employees also belong to them) cannot quit even after the end of the contract. However, the fact that the ban also applies to civil servants was not previously known.
Interlocutors of Important Stories emphasize that the ban on dismissal is informal and illegal, so there may be exceptions to it - for example, for health reasons or for corruption reasons.
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Putin’s Reportedly Had to Ban His Top Officials from Quitting as Ukraine War Falters
Two governors were even threatened with talk of criminal cases.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/putin-bans-top-officials-from-quitting-d
uring-ukraine-war
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I heard about the four lost Russian military aricraft, but been too busy to read in detail. A good discussion can be found at Simplicius the Thinker's substack https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/black-day-for-russian-vvs-as-speci
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Scanning his very detailed discussion leads me to believe that this particular grouping (an Mi8 heli specially outfitted as a jammer for incoming anti-aircraft missiles?), an Mi8 heli as a recovery craft, an Su34 fighter-bomber (to launch glide bombs, which has become an important part of Russian warfare) and an Su35 (fighter-interceptor, to cover the Su34) is the standard gouping believed to be able to protect all military aircraft on bombing missions.
This particular mission BTW, launched from and remaining over Russian terrirtory, was to (glide) bomb specific bridges between Ukraine and Russia in order to prevent further border incursions and terrorist attacks on Russian civilians as happened a few months ago. Per Military Summary channel (Dima).
Since rumors are rife, I can't say for certain what happened but, again, according to Simplicius, the aircraft damage is far too extensive to implicate a shoulder-fired anti-aircraft (Stinger) missile, and an attack by a Kiev Su29 is improbable. The guess is that Kiev snuck a heavyduty anti-aircraft missile up to the border and fired from there. If any of this is true, I'm sure the MoD is frantically analyzing the wreckage and whatever other data available trying to figure out how a supposedly invincible grouping was brought down.
Speculation that Z will use this success to once again demand F-16s.
In general I'd say the pace of the war is heating up.
Kiev apparently launched a significant counteroffensive May 12 against both the northern and southern flanks near Bakhmut. According to Prigozhin (Wagner part owner) his fighters are advancing thru Bakhmut and have only a score or so of high rise apartment buildings to take, but had to run to the aide of Russian MoD soldiers who were supposed to be protecting the flanks, with Russian airforces nowhere to be seen. According to the MoD, they repelled the flank attacks using (among other things) aircraft (don't know if ground support helicopters or fighter-bombers or what) . Apparently there is serious bad blood not only between Prighozin and the upper echelon of Russian MoD but has filtered down to individual field commanders, which is a problem.
Meanwhile, Russia has bombed deep inside Ukraine and hit three large targets with bombs that created fireballs reminiscent of nuclear warheads. Apparently also releasing radioactive waste from stored depleted uranium shells (Simplicius https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/nuclear-fallout-russian-strikes-cr
eate. Complete with videos of resulting mushroom clouds, fireballs, and firenadoes) Russia also brought down two of Ukraine's aircraft (I think an Su29 and a Mig something) when they tried to fire Britain's newly donated air-to-ground long-range Storm Shadow missile
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Quote:Wagner Group founder Yevgeny Prigozhin suggested Russia may have shot down its own aircraft near the Ukrainian border. Ukrainian Air Force spokesperson Colonel Yurii Ihnat also said during a Sunday appearance on Ukrainian television that Russia's own air defenses may be responsible for the downed aircraft.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I heard about the four lost Russian military aricraft, but been too busy to read in detail.
https://www.newsweek.com/wagner-founder-thinks-russia-shot-down-its-ow
n-aircraft-1800201
It is NOT absurd that Russia would shoot down the wrong aircraft. For example: Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down over Ukraine by a Russian-made surface-to-air missile, fired by Moscow-backed separatists. All 298 people, most of whom were Dutch, died in the crash. Russia has denied responsibility for the disaster, though the Dutch government claims it played a key role.
The case may result in Russia being obliged to pay damages to victims' families, but Moscow is unlikely to accept this verdict and be forthcoming with support. Russia was among the 47 countries to sign up to the European Court of Human Rights, which is designed to protect human rights and basic freedoms in Europe, but left in September 2022 due to tensions with the West over Ukraine.
https://www.euronews.com/2023/01/25/case-against-russia-over-downing-o
f-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-can-go-ahead-court-rules
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Prigozhin has spent the last month+ trash-talking the Russian MoD.
But what goes around comes around: WaPo has an article claiming that Prigozhin offered to give Kiev the locations of Russia's forces in exchange for w/drawal from Bakhmut. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/05/14/prigozhin-
wagner-ukraine-leaked-documents/
I think the guy needs a long, long vacation. He's not a military man and after having bonded with his forces, but without the military command training that desensitizes commanders to the inevitable loss of their soldiers, my guess is that Prigozhin is suffering from PTSD.
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Quote:You missed the point. The Ukrainians are NOT taking credit for shooting down those Russian aircraft. The Ukrainians also did NOT take credit for shooting down flight MH17. (The Dutch government picked up all the pieces of MH17 and came to the conclusion in court that Russia did it.) If Ukraine didn't do it, who does that leave? It leaves the Russians shooting down their own aircraft and, many years earlier, shooting down MH17, but Russia is still denying MH17.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Prigozhin has spent the last month+ trash-talking the Russian MoD.
But what goes around comes around: WaPo has an article claiming that Prigozhin offered to give Kiev the locations of Russia's forces in exchange for w/drawal from Bakhmut. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/05/14/prigozhin-
wagner-ukraine-leaked-documents/
I think the guy needs a long, long vacation. He's not a military man and after having bonded with his forces, but without the military command training that desensitizes commanders to the inevitable loss of their soldiers, my guess is that Prigozhin is suffering from PTSD.
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Kiev lies about everything. They take credit for bringing down more missiles than Russia ever launches, but refuse to take credit for terrorist attacks on Russia proper. They even refused to officially take credit for damaging the Kerch bridge, even tho they did everything but.
That's probably because the USA has told Kiev not to admit to attacking Russia proper.
And that's probably bc it would give Russia the excuse to launch a full-scale war instead of an SMO.
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Where is Zaluzhny? He seems to be MIA. And Zelenskiy has been taking extended tours of ... anywhere but Ukraine.
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With what little time I spend on the topic I do a lot better job than you at sussing out a situation. You seem to be permanently MIA, mentally.
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Russia Says It Took Out US-Supplied Patriot Missile In Hypersonic Strike On Kiev
Russia's military may have taken out a US-supplied Patriot anti-air battery in Ukraine, which if true would be a very significant first since the advanced Raytheon-made defense weapon was deployed there.
This came as Ukrainian officials have cited an exceptionally dense attack on Kyiv overnight, which included cruise missiles and drones, and even allegedly Kinzhal hypersonic missiles. Ukraine was hit by at least 18 missiles and nine drones were sent, with media reports saying some six ballistic missiles (including Kinzhal) were launched. But the Ukrainians are claiming that most or all of them were intercepted.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-it-took-out-us-supp
lied-patriot-missile-unit-hypersonic-strike-kiev
Saw Kiev's Patriot(?) battery firing away on Twitter. So many missiles launched I lost count.
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General Richard Barrons: There's a lot of fighting to come at the cost of terrible destruction. But the most likely outcome is one of exhaustion and stalemate followed by profound disagreement for as long as you can imagine. And we may be staring at an outcome where you can't count [on] the war as being over for decades.
RFE/RL: That's an even bleaker prediction than the earlier one of yours, when you said that this war might last until 2025. And if, indeed, we need to be bracing ourselves for such a long war, let me ask you whose side is time on strategically?
Barrons: The question of who prevails is one of choice. From the Western perspective, it has always been absolutely clear that Ukraine can be supported to achieve an outcome that Ukraine is content with, provided the West mobilizes a relatively small fraction of its money and its industry.
Because Ukraine wins, or prevails, or at least it doesn't lose, so long as it is connected to money, at about $6 billion a month, and [the] Western defense industry to supply the weapons and ammunition and other equipment and stores that Ukraine needs to equip a mobilized society with. And if the West continues to choose to provide that support -- and let's be absolutely clear, that support is a very small fraction of the economic power of the West, so it is a matter of choice -- yes, there's a cost. But it's a very small percentage of the economic wealth of the West. If the West does that and Ukraine retains the will to fight, it can keep fighting.
From the Russian perspective, well, Russia is mobilizing its society more and more and reenergizing its defense industry, which employs around 2 million people. So, it's a very big enterprise. And Russia believes that it has the money, the will, and the social control, and the industry to outlast the West's will to continue.
And no one really knows the outcome of that. The Russian offensive...has been a surprise for its continuing lack of, essentially, professional competence.
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-war-general-barrons-interview-tavberid
ze/32359148.html
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Russia Says It Took Out US-Supplied Patriot Missile In Hypersonic Strike On Kiev
Lol at this title - they are interceptor missiles, they're supposed to get "taken out".
Russia also "took out" 5 Ukrainian anti-aircraft missiles at the weekend... with its planes and helicopters
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I saw a bunch of missiles being launched but not, apparently, intercepting anything. What would be the coup de grace would be if the launchers themselves were destroyed. (You can't launch a missile without a launcher) Or if a bunch of launchers (battery) along with their radar system (installation) went POOF!
Another possibility - altho not what happened in this case, AFAIK- would be to destroy missiles and launchers on the ground, or in the wharehouse.
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Originally posted by K2PO:
Russia also "took out" 5 Ukrainian anti-aircraft missiles at the weekend... with its planes and helicopters
That's what your face did to all the branches on the ugly tree when you were falling down it.
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Quote:Kyiv said air defences intercepted six Kinzhal hypersonic missiles, which Russia has claimed can overcome all existing air defence systems.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I saw a bunch of missiles being launched but not, apparently, intercepting anything. What would be the coup de grace would be if the launchers themselves were destroyed. (You can't launch a missile without a launcher) Or if a bunch of launchers (battery) along with their radar system (installation) went POOF!
Another possibility - altho not what happened in this case, AFAIK- would be to destroy missiles and launchers on the ground, or in the wharehouse.
Russia denies its Kinzhals were stopped and said one destroyed** a US-supplied Patriot air defence system.
On Tuesday evening Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu said Moscow had not fired as many of the Kinzhal missiles as Kyiv had claimed to have shot down.
Russia continues to insist that the missiles, which it says can travel at more than 11,000kmh (7,000mph), cannot be destroyed by any of the world's air defence systems.
During Tuesday's barrage footage showed air defences destroying targets over the city.
Kyiv resident Kseniia told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that she and her husband were asleep when they heard a "series of very loud explosions" above their building. She compared the intensity of the attack to a Star Wars film or an action video game.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65606385
** A US-made Patriot air defense system was likely damaged, but not destroyed, as the result of a Russian missile barrage in and around Kyiv early Tuesday morning local time, a US official tells CNN. The US is still assessing to what degree the system was damaged, the official said. That will determine whether the system needs to be pulled back entirely or simply repaired on the spot by Ukrainians forces. Russia’s Defense Ministry said on Tuesday in a post on Telegram that “a high-precision strike by the Kinzhal hypersonic missile system in the city of Kyiv hit a US-made Patriot anti-aircraft missile system.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/16/politics/patriot-missile-damage-ukraine
/index.html
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Quote:BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I saw a bunch of missiles being launched but not, apparently, intercepting anything. What would be the coup de grace would be if the launchers themselves were destroyed. (You can't launch a missile without a launcher) Or if a bunch of launchers (battery) along with their radar system (installation) went POOF!
Another possibility - altho not what happened in this case, AFAIK- would be to destroy missiles and launchers on the ground, or in the wharehouse.
SECOND: Kyiv said ....
BTW, it was the Patriot system that failed to stop Houthi drones from damaging a Saudi oil storage and loading facility.
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Russian State TV Issues Stark Warning Over Threat of Defeat
"If we lose, we're taking the whole world with us," Vladimir Solovyov said on the Russia 1 channel.
Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Solovyov has again invoked Armageddon on his TV show in which the consequences of a Russian defeat in Ukraine were discussed.
In a clip on his evening show on the Russia 1 channel, which was tweeted by journalist and Russia watcher Julia Davis, Solovyov listened to his guest Karen Shakhnazarov, a filmmaker, talk about how the war was now "a question of our destruction."
Shakhnazarov wondered whether Russian people fully understood "the gravity of the threat" that the war's outcome poses, and that the conflict was "a lot more complex and dangerous" than World War II.
He also described how modern Russian society was nothing like the one that existed in 1941 when Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union because there was no unifying ideology.
Contemporary Russians, in his view, had grown up consuming American culture and he said there were internal divisions in the country and a lack of younger people, which meant that older citizens were serving on the frontlines.
The war "is fateful for us," Shakhnazarov said, "our political elites have to realize this. We should start admitting that this is not simply a special military operation but a war. If we lose this war, we will disappear" like some Native American tribes which "have simply vanished." He went on to suggest that defeat for Moscow's forces in Ukraine would lead to books being written about "how Russia lost itself and Eurasia."
Solovyov chimed in to say he hoped Ukraine understood that "if we lose, we are taking the whole world with us."
"Let me remind you what the Supreme Commander said, 'who needs the world if Russia isn't in it?'" Solovyov said, referring to a quote by President Vladimir Putin.
The anchor then went on say that Russia should use its nuclear weapons, shed restrictions against testing and "convincingly demonstrate what we have."
Since the start of Putin's invasion, Solovyov has repeatedly said that Russia should draw on its nuclear weapons capability to strike against Western countries that back Ukraine. Last week, he said on his radio show Full Contact that "nuclear war is inevitable."
The threat of Russia using tactical nuclear weapons in the war in Ukraine has hung over the conflict since it started.
However, experts have said that Kyiv's demonstrated ability to shoot down six Kinzhal nuclear-capable hypersonic missiles fired by Russia this week could lessen the chances of Moscow considering an escalation from conventional weapons.
"We know that these missiles are neither hypersonic nor unstoppable," said Sergej Sumlenny, founder of the European Resilience Initiative Center, a German think tank.
"From this perspective, we should also analyze other Russian threats like nuclear threats. Are they really capable of hitting us?" he told Newsweek.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-solovyov-war-1800807
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Quote:Signym, where is the story that Patriot missiles were fired by Saudi Arabia and missed drones? I looked for this instance where Patriot missiles were used but failed to stop drones. It didn't happen, Signym, until you prove it happened by citing a particular story. Yes, there were drones, but no Patriot missiles. Just because Saudi Arabia owns missiles does not mean Saudi Arabia fired the missiles at the drones.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW, it was the Patriot system that failed to stop Houthi drones from damaging a Saudi oil storage and loading facility.
Sept. 14, 2019, Two Major Saudi Oil Installations Hit by Drone Strike
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/14/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-refin
eries-drone-attack.html
Better late than never: August 2, 2022, Saudi Arabia buying missiles – PATRIOT MIM-104E Guidance Enhanced Missile-Tactical Ballistic Missiles (GEM-T) https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/kingdom-saudi-arabia
-ksa-patriot-air-defense-system-pac-3-enhancement
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Patriot Missiles have been used by Saudi Arabia since 1991. It's the Saudis only air defense system, and it has failed to protect Saudi Arabia from numerous drone and cruise missile attacks over many years.
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The Patriot missile story in Kiev
In sum, Kiev claimed (hoax warning!) that the Patriot missile system took down 6 of 6 Kinzhal missiles.
Meanwhile, as Kiev was claiming a miraculous score,
Russia said that Kiev doesn't know what missiles Russia fired, but that there were a lot fewer Kinzhals than Kiev claimed, and that the missile(s) that Russia fired against the Patriot system hit their target(s).
And to put a cap on Kiev's ridiculous claim, the Pentagon said that a Patriot installation had been "damaged".
Alex supposes, and it sure sounds plausible, that there is a big procurement up for air defenses using Patriot Missiles, and this whole sequence of events... the original claim that a Patriot missile brought down a Kinzhal missile, followed up by Kiev's ridiculous claim of 6 of 6 hypersonic missiles downed... was just one giant advert for Raytheon. And if it hadn't been for the video uploaded by bloggers we would all be none the wiser.
Oh, and apparently the bloggers who uploaded the video were arrested by the SBU.
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Quote:If those six Kinzhal missiles didn't hit six targets in Kyiv equivalent to the White House and the Capitol building and the Pentagon, those six missiles were misses. It is deer versus deer hunter in Ukraine. If the hunter (Russia) does NOT come back with meat, then the hunter missed the deer (Ukraine). Where is the meat?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Patriot Missiles have been used by Saudi Arabia since 1991. It's the Saudis only air defense system, and it has failed to protect Saudi Arabia from numerous drone and cruise missile attacks over many years.
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The Patriot missile story in Kiev
In sum, Kiev claimed (hoax warning!) that the Patriot missile system took down 6 of 6 Kinzhal missiles.
Meanwhile, as Kiev was claiming a miraculous score,
Russia said that Kiev doesn't know what missiles Russia fired, but that there were a lot fewer Kinzhals than Kiev claimed, and that the missile(s) that Russia fired against the Patriot system hit their target(s).
And to put a cap on Kiev's ridiculous claim, the Pentagon said that a Patriot installation had been "damaged".
Alex supposes, and it sure sounds plausible, that there is a big procurement up for air defenses using Patriot Missiles, and this whole sequence of events... the original claim that a Patriot missile brought down a Kinzhal missile, followed up by Kiev's ridiculous claim of 6 of 6 hypersonic missiles downed... was just one giant advert for Raytheon. And if it hadn't been for the video uploaded by bloggers we would all be none the wiser.
Oh, and apparently the bloggers who uploaded the video were arrested by the SBU.
The fabrication of one Kh-47 Kinzhal hypersonic missile costs about US$10 million.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-47M2_Kinzhal
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I’ve never seen the Kremlin so rattled
By Anna Nemtsova
May 17, 2023 at 7:15 a.m. EDT
Anna Nemtsova is a Daily Beast correspondent and a contributing writer for the Atlantic.
A mysterious drone attack on the Kremlin. A car bombing that wounded a key advocate of the invasion of Ukraine. Four military aircraft shot down in a single day — inside Russia’s borders.
If the Ukrainians and their allies wanted to rattle the Russian leadership, it’s working.
Never, in more than two decades of covering Vladimir Putin’s regime, have I seen it in such an obvious state of chaos and disarray. These days, Kremlin-watchers don’t have to read tea leaves or decode cryptic utterances from the leadership to spot the signs of intrigue — it’s all out in the open, thanks to Putin confidant Yevgeniy Prigozhin.
In one of several recent videos, Prigozhin, founder of the mercenary army known as the Wagner Group, stood over dead Russians in a field and cursed the Russian military leadership, demanding punishment for Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu as well as for Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov. He blamed the two men — both close Putin associates he accused of neglecting supplies for his troops — for “tens of thousands of Wagner dead and injured.”
Putin himself has yet to comment.
Top officials in Kyiv must have been rubbing their hands in glee. While the Kremlin is primarily to blame for its own troubles, given its obvious corruption and incompetence, the Ukrainians have been doing everything they can to undermine morale and exacerbate divisions among their enemies. A constant drumbeat of drone attacks on military bases, oil refineries and fuel depots has added to the sense of unraveling. (Officially, Kyiv does not acknowledge striking targets inside Russia. It’s also hard to determine whether some of the most mysterious attacks — such as the one on the Kremlin — were actually launched by Ukrainian forces.)
Just note how loudly and persistently the Ukrainians have been publicizing their plans for a spring counteroffensive. Good military planners don’t usually telegraph their intentions quite so openly.
But the Ukrainians have been here before. Last year, they spent weeks suggesting that they were preparing an attack somewhere in the country’s southeast — only to launch a stunningly successful offensive against Kharkiv in the north. Kyiv is doing its best to keep the Russians off balance once again.
Another Prigozhin tirade echoed that earlier disaster when he accused soldiers from the regular army of “fleeing” from the front in Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine, blaming the military command for “betraying the motherland.” (Meanwhile, Prigozhin himself is being accused of betrayal after a Post report revealed that he tried to trade information with Ukrainian authorities earlier in the war — for reasons that remain murky.) Moscow propagandists can’t even begin to address the stunning losses they’ve incurred since Putin launched his full-scale invasion last year. U.S. analysts recently estimated that the Russians have incurred 100,000 casualties since December alone.
No wonder Russian leaders are spooked. Earlier this month, as the country prepared to commemorate the Soviet Union’s 1945 triumph over Nazi Germany, one official made a revealing slip. Vyacheslav Gladkov, the governor of a region not far from the border with Ukraine, announced he was canceling the usual Victory Day parade — because he didn’t want “to provoke the enemy with a large number of equipment and military personnel in the city center.”
Putin’s own Victory Day celebration stood out for its subdued tone and the presence of only a single tank — a fact that gave the Ukrainians a welcome opening for mockery.
Russian political insiders are increasingly questioning the rationale for the war. Sen. Lyudmila Narusova, the widow of Putin’s political mentor Anatoly Sobchak, recently went public with her concerns.
“Nobody has explained how victory is supposed to look,” she told an interviewer. “If we think of the originally declared goals, ‘den
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Anna Nemtsova is a Daily Beast correspondent and a contributing writer for the Atlantic.
Nothing more needs to be said.
Congrats though to Anna for surviving Daily Beast's first round of layoffs and having a backup side gig at The Atlantic... for now.
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Quote:Oh, so now you're COMPLAINING that Russians don't fight like barbarians? Yanno, like the USA fights, bombing and destroying indiscriminately?
Originally posted by second:Quote:If those six Kinzhal missiles didn't hit six targets in Kyiv equivalent to the White House and the Capitol building and the Pentagon, those six missiles were misses. It is deer versus deer hunter in Ukraine. If the hunter (Russia) does NOT come back with meat, then the hunter missed the deer (Ukraine). Where is the meat?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Patriot Missiles have been used by Saudi Arabia since 1991. It's the Saudis only air defense system, and it has failed to protect Saudi Arabia from numerous drone and cruise missile attacks over many years.
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The Patriot missile story in Kiev
In sum, Kiev claimed (hoax warning!) that the Patriot missile system took down 6 of 6 Kinzhal missiles.
Meanwhile, as Kiev was claiming a miraculous score,
Russia said that Kiev doesn't know what missiles Russia fired, but that there were a lot fewer Kinzhals than Kiev claimed, and that the missile(s) that Russia fired against the Patriot system hit their target(s).
And to put a cap on Kiev's ridiculous claim, the Pentagon said that a Patriot installation had been "damaged".
Alex supposes, and it sure sounds plausible, that there is a big procurement up for air defenses using Patriot Missiles, and this whole sequence of events... the original claim that a Patriot missile brought down a Kinzhal missile, followed up by Kiev's ridiculous claim of 6 of 6 hypersonic missiles downed... was just one giant advert for Raytheon. And if it hadn't been for the video uploaded by bloggers we would all be none the wiser.
Oh, and apparently the bloggers who uploaded the video were arrested by the SBU.
The fabrication of one Kh-47 Kinzhal hypersonic missile costs about US$10 million.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-47M2_Kinzhal
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US officials reported that a Patriot air defense system is operational after Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) claimed that Russian missile strikes on Kyiv destroyed the system on May 16. CNN cited three US officials as stating that a Patriot air defense system is still operational despite the Russian MoD claims that a Kinzhal missile destroyed it.[8] An unidentified US defense official had previously told CNN that the Patriot system likely suffered damage, but three officials specified that the system suffered minimal damage that does not impede its operations.[9] Officials did not specify if Russian missiles or debris caused the damage.
The Kremlin reportedly accused three hypersonic missile scientists of treason. Employees of the Institute of Theoretical and Applied Mathematics of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Science published an open letter on May 15 in defense of three of their scientists — Anatoly Maslov, Alexander Shiplyuk, and Valery Zvegintsev — whom Russian authorities reportedly arrested in the past year under suspicion of committing “high treason.”[10] The open letter also noted that these arrests deter the younger generation from pursuing careers in science, which contributes to a decrease in the quality of scientific research. Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov claimed that the Kremlin was aware of the open letter and that Russian security services are involved.[11]
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-may-17-2023
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Quote:If the Russians had hit Kyiv's equivalent of the White House/Lincoln Memorial/Jefferson Memorial/Washington's Monument with Russia's finest weapons, six Kinzhal hypersonic missiles, Russia would be demonstrating efficiency and competence at making war. There are stories of Russia demonstrating the opposite:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, so now you're COMPLAINING that Russians don't fight like barbarians? Yanno, like the USA fights, bombing and destroying indiscriminately?
“They abandoned their own”: a captured “Wagnerian” spoke about the “meat grinder” near Bakhmut
Antonina Dolomanzhi 21:06, 17.05.23
The losses of PMC “Wagner” are very large, said the captured mercenary.
The Ukrainian Defense Forces near Bakhmut captured one of the fighters from the PMC “Wagner”, who spoke about the significant losses of militants, the “meat grinder” at the front and executions for failure to comply with the order.
The video of the interrogation of the prisoner was published by the commander of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel-General Alexander Syrsky. The “Wagnerian” said that his name is Denis Vatrushev, he is from the Khanty-Mansiysk Okrug, he is 39 years old, and his wife is from Maryinka, which the Russian invaders almost razed to the ground.
According to him, in December 2022, he was recruited into the Wagner PMC from prison, where he was serving a sentence for premeditated murder. According to Vatrushev, he was promised that he would stand at checkpoints, and in 6 months he would be able to be free. Instead, they had to deal with the evacuation of the wounded from the battlefield.
He said that he lay wounded in a trench for four days and waited for evacuation, but was taken prisoner. “They abandoned me… they abandoned my own people… Their damn evacuation doesn’t work…”, the captive “Wagnerian” emphasized.
The Russian also spoke about the large number of dead “Wagnerites”, problems with food among the “Wagnerites” and executions for failure to comply with the order.
“If you do not follow the order, then the commander … simply “zeroes” you – shoots you, a bullet in the head … The losses in the Wagner are very large. There is a trench – they call it the “trench of death.” There is a corpse on the corpse … 300-400 people… On the way, even “200s” are not taken out, they cannot be taken out…, there is almost no evacuation…”, he added.
Russian military slang for killed is “200s” and injured is “300s”.
https://ukrainetoday.org/2023/05/17/they-abandoned-their-own-a-capture
d-wagnerian-spoke-about-the-meat-grinder-near-bakhmut-video/
After thought: war is more than destroying property and killing enemies. It is psychological -- to convince your enemy to surrender years before so much property and people are destroyed that the enemy cannot fight. That is why the Russians should hit Kyiv's equivalent of the White House/Lincoln Memorial/Jefferson Memorial/Washington's Monument with Russia's finest weapons, six Kinzhal hypersonic missiles.
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Fuck Ukraine.
#Rootin4Putin
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Quote:The TV talking heads can repeat “no collusion” over and over, but Trump does keep saying all those complimentary things about Vladimir Putin, no matter what atrocities the Russian president commits. Some of the less anesthetized Republicans are bound to wonder: Why?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck Ukraine.
#Rootin4Putin
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Quote:Only in your delusions. Just like "Trump Russia collusion" was a delusion.
SECOND: The TV talking heads can repeat “no collusion” over and over, but Trump does keep saying all those complimentary things about Vladimir Putin, no matter what atrocities the Russian president commits.
There are many complimentary things to say about Putin, bc Putin is looking out for Russia's interests in a realistic way. Unlike Biden* who... well, IDK who he's representing bc it sure isn't Americans.
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$77 Billion sent to Ukraine
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-have-us-taxpayers-sent-200-billion
-ukraine-1796322
Probably more
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NYC building that once housed 'Brooklyn's hippest hotel' turned into migrants shelter https://t.co/8T1mfecEcr via @nypmetro >><> A shelter for illegal aliens – while at the same time homeless citizens, some hungry and mentally ill – get ZERO resources.
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Meanwhile, back on topic (which SECOND persistently tries to derail)...
Russian missiles are striking far into western Ukraine, targeting foreign weapons warehouses, ammo dumps, air defenses and command centers.
THAT'S how you win a war. Not by targeting civilian administrative buildings.
Poor SECOND. So wrapped up in delusion.
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Ukraine’s Suicidal Offensive is Bleeding Out While the CIA Loses Its Mind
Comment...
“Russians actually want this nazi offensive to happen, to destroy vast amounts of Ukranazistani equipment and manpower, which would allow freedom for a Russian offensive to develop. ”
Agreed. As I have noted in other comments, this is exactly what the Soviet trained Iraqis repeatedly did to the US trained Iranians in the Iran-Iraq War in the 80’s.
When the UAF launches its offensive expect:
1. Token resistance from the forward line of defense, followed by withdrawal in good order to the second line.
2. Stiffer resistance from the second line, followed by withdrawal in good order to the third line.
3. As the UAF advances into the salient, they enter a pre-planned and targeted kill zone,
4. 2 or 3 weeks of slaughter, 10’s of thousands of Ukrainian dead.
5. After the Ukrainian offensive is shattered, there may be an opportunity for a Russian breakthrough that could unhinge Ukraine’s entire defensive line in the Donbas.
https://sonar21.com/ukraines-suicidal-offensive-is-bleeding-out-while-
the-cia-loses-its-mind/
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Pentagon accounting error overvalued Ukraine weapons aid by $3 billion
Reuters reports:
The Pentagon overestimated the value of the ammunition, missiles and other equipment it sent to Ukraine by around $3 billion, a Senate aide and a defense official said on Thursday, an error that may lead the way for more weapons being sent to Kyiv for its defense against Russian forces.
The error was the result of assigning a higher than warranted value on weaponry that was taken from U.S. stocks and then shipped to Ukraine, two senior defense officials said on Thursday.
“We’ve discovered inconsistencies in how we value the equipment that we’ve given” to Ukraine one of the senior defense officials told Reuters. The officials and the Senate aide spoke on the condition of anonymity. Congress is being notified of the accounting adjustment on Thursday, the sources said.
The defense official said it is possible the amount of overvalued weaponry could grow beyond $3 billion as the Pentagon examines the situation more thoroughly.
In its accounting, the Pentagon used replacement cost to value the weapons aid, instead of the weaponry’s value when it was purchased and depreciated, the senior defense officials said.
Since August 2021, the United States has sent weapons valued at about $21.1 billion to Ukraine from its stockpiles.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pentagon-accounting-error-overval
ued-ukraine-aid-by-3-billion-sources-2023-05-18/
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Quote:Did you forget that the US firebombed Tokyo, the Capital of Japan? No nukes. Ordinary ordinance. Nothing was spared, except the Emperor, because he was needed by the US after WWII. Everything else burned. The equivalent would be to firebomb Kyiv, the Capital of Ukraine, except that Volodymyr Zelenskyy would not be spared because he is merely a President, not an Emperor, and the culture of Ukraine is not similar to Japan's. For some unknown reason, the Russians can't get their bombers over Kyiv. I wonder what is stopping them?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile, back on topic (which SECOND persistently tries to derail)...
Russian missiles are striking far into western Ukraine, targeting foreign weapons warehouses, ammo dumps, air defenses and command centers.
THAT'S how you win a war. Not by targeting civilian administrative buildings.
Poor SECOND. So wrapped up in delusion.
A more recent example? The US bombing Baghdad, the Capital of Iraq. Saddam Hussein's residences were not spared. That ended the Iraq War pretty damn quickly. Why don't the Russians try Shock and Awe? I wonder what is stopping them?
Shock and Awe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_and_awe
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Quote:Oh, you want Russia to go berserk, like you?
Originally posted by second:Quote:Did you forget that the US firebombed Tokyo, the Capital of Japan? No nukes. Ordinary ordinance. Nothing was spared, except the Emperor, because he was needed by the US after WWII. Everything else burned. The equivalent would be to firebomb Kyiv, the Capital of Ukraine, except that Volodymyr Zelenskyy would not be spared because he is merely a President, not an Emperor, and the culture of Ukraine is not similar to Japan's. For some unknown reason, the Russians can't get their bombers over Kyiv. I wonder what is stopping them?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile, back on topic (which SECOND persistently tries to derail)...
Russian missiles are striking far into western Ukraine, targeting foreign weapons warehouses, ammo dumps, air defenses and command centers.
THAT'S how you win a war. Not by targeting civilian administrative buildings.
Poor SECOND. So wrapped up in delusion.
A more recent example? The US bombing Baghdad, the Capital of Iraq. Saddam Hussein's residences were not spared. That ended the Iraq War pretty damn quickly. Why don't the Russians try Shock and Awe? I wonder what is stopping them?
Shock and Awe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_and_awe
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Scratch a virtue-signaller and find a sociopath.
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Quote:In Ukraine, Russia is repeating WWII as if the Eastern Front was a big success rather than a huge slaughter of Russians by Russians. If Russia does not change its ineffective methods carried over from 1940-1945, Russia will kill many millions of Russians before the Ukrainian War is all over, assuming this new war is allowed by Western powers to run as the old war did in WWII. (FDR and Churchill were horrified at how wasteful Stalin was with Russian lives but could do nothing.) Unfortunately, Signym has denied that Russians lacked finesse in WWII and are no better today:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, you want Russia to go berserk, like you?
Scratch a virtue-signaller and find a sociopath.
The Soviet people were under attack from two directions: the Nazi military machine and the Soviet Communist Party. The imprisonment and killing of enemies of the people by the party not only continued during the war, but was intensified. A large number of the Soviet World War II dead were killed by Stalin, not Hitler — probably 10,000,000 more. Had Ripley written a “Believe It or Not” of incredible tales of murder and death, the two-front war suffered by Soviet citizens and foreigners subject to Soviet occupation surely would provide prominent entries.
As the Red Army retreated before Nazi invasion forces, the NKVD often tried to deport prisoners east before the Nazis arrived. In some cases prisoners were beaten and shot in death marches along the roads or, if evacuation were impossible or too difficult, prisoners were shot en masse in the prisons,15 whether pickpockets, crooks, black marketeers, or political prisoners. For example, they were shot as prisons were evacuated in Tallin, Smolensk, Kiev, Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, and Orel; in Tartu at least 192 prisoners were killed.16 Upon the approach of German forces, all in Minsk’s prison were killed. It held about 10,000 inmates, although constructed for 1,000.17 All prisoners doing forced labor at a mining complex near Nalchik were machine gunned to death. At the Olginskaya camp, more than 2,000 of those sentenced for over four years were shot.18 And in the Ukraine:
In the majority of prisons NKVD troops shot all inmates who had been sentenced to more than three years. In some towns the NKVD burned prisons with all their inmates. According to Ukrainian sources, 10,000 prisoners were shot in Lvov, Zolochevo, Rovno, Dubno, Lutsk, and other cities.19
In all, perhaps 80,000 Ukrainians were massacred during the Red Army retreat.20
Now, one’s mind can soon become dulled by all the figures being given here; one can read about 80,000 Ukrainians murdered but not absorb this magnitude. But consider: more Ukrainians were apparently murdered in this retreat than all the Englishmen killed (70,000) by all the Nazi bombs dropped on England during the war;21 it is more than all the American Marine and Navy battle-dead in all theaters of action in World War II (56,683);22 it is virtually equal to all the American battle dead in the Korean and Vietnam wars together (80,950).23
From the book Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder since 1917 by R. J. Rummel
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Ukrainian officials indicated that Ukrainian forces have seized the battlefield initiative in the Bakhmut area. Cherevaty stated on May 18 that Ukrainian forces regained the battlefield initiative and are forcing Russian forces to respond to Ukrainian actions, including by transferring Russian Airborne (VDV) elements to Bakhmut’s flanks to defend against the Ukrainian advances.[4] Malyar stated that Russian forces have deployed most of their reserves to the Bakhmut area, very likely to the detriment of other areas of the frontline.[5]
Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin admitted on May 18 that Wagner mercenaries are unable to encircle the Ukrainian forces in Bakhmut due to the loss of stable flanks north and south of Bakhmut. Prigozhin accused the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) of losing advantageous positions after MoD-subordinated units retreated from their positions on Bakhmut’s flanks necessary for an encirclement.[11] Prigozhin and Wagner sources have long indicated Wagner’s intent to encircle Bakhmut and trap Ukrainian forces but proved unable to do so after the Ukrainian military command decided to defend the city. ISW had previously assessed that Russian forces were unlikely to encircle Bakhmut after Wagner forces made several rapid breakthroughs north, south, and east of the city in winter-spring 2023.[12] Prigozhin likely anticipated that Ukrainian forces would entirely withdraw from Bakhmut out of fear of imminent encirclement and even offered to allow President Volodymyr Zelensky to withdraw Ukrainian forces from the city on March 3.[13] The Ukrainian defensive operation, however, prioritized the defense of the Ukrainian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) west of Bakhmut, which forced Wagner forces into urban warfare and grinding directly through the city itself. Prigozhin’s admission further supports Ukrainian officials’ statements that Wagner is losing the initiative on the battlefield.
Prigozhin and Wagner-affiliated milbloggers are blaming Russian conventional forces for military failures in and around Bakhmut. Prigozhin directly appealed to Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Chief of the Russian General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov to hold Sakko i Vantsetti for at least few more days.[14] Prigozhin also blamed Gerasimov for the retreats of Russian conventional forces from Bakhmut‘s flanks.[15]
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-may-18-2023
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, you want Russia to go berserk, like you?
Scratch a virtue-signaller and find a sociopath.
SECOND: In Ukraine, Russia is repeating WWII as if the Eastern Front was a big success rather than a huge slaughter of Russians by Russians. If Russia does not change its ineffective methods carried over from 1940-1945, Russia will kill many millions of Russians before the Ukrainian War is all over,
SECOND, nearly everything you think you know about everything is wrong. You made one lucky guess (assuming that you're not lying) about oil, but that glow doesn't extend to anything else bc you're not uneducated, you're MISeducated. And yuo did it to yourself.
Russians aren't losing hundreds of thousands of soldiers in Ukraine, Kiev is.
Russians didn't use "human wave" tactics in WWII either.
If you could just take a peek at reality once in a while you might correct some of that misinformation encrusting your brain, but I know you won't.
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Quote:Where is your proof, Signym, of those Ukrainian deaths? Show the bodies.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Russians aren't losing hundreds of thousands of soldiers in Ukraine, Kiev is.
Russians didn't use "human wave" tactics in WWII either.
If you could just take a peek at reality once in a while you might correct some of that misinformation encrusting your brain, but I know you won't.
But if you want to prove Ukraine is incompetent at warfare, the proof is that the Kerch Strait Bridge between Russia and Ukraine's Crimea is still carrying traffic. That should have been the first target for Ukraine back on Feb 24, 2022.
Did Ukraine need a weapon that it doesn't own to stop traffic on that bridge? Ukraine should have either bought it or built the weapon starting at the same time as Putin announced the bridge back in 2014.
That is proof that Ukrainians are as stupid as Russians about how to win a war without almost destroying themselves, which Stalin nearly did to Russia during WWII. On the other hand, the US had relatively few causalities because FDR didn't line up ten million US citizens and execute them. Stalin killed at least ten million Russians just because of political differences during WWII. The closest that FDR got to doing something Stalinesquely self-destructive to the US was when FDR imprisoned US citizens for being related to Japan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Bridge
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When I post videos and pictures of corpses or battlefields you complained it doesn't belong here.
Nonetheless, I have occasionally posted videos of Ukrainian graveyards with row on row of fresh graves with Ukie flags flapping over them, and there are plenty more of those videos available
Interviews of frontline Ukie soldiers is another non-Russian source. They often recount that a third to a half of their company has been killed or wounded.
Long days of gravediggers tell story of Ukraine's war dead
-Newsweek
Kiev, of course lies about everything, especially about the number of their dead and Russian dead, so you can shitcan anything "Kiev says" and shitcan any repetition of it.
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Biden says US will help Ukraine with F-16s:
President Biden has told G-7 leaders during his trip to Japan that the U.S. will back an allied effort to train Ukrainian pilots on some aircraft, including F-16s, according to a CNN first report Friday morning.
The months-long training probably won’t happen in the U.S. — instead taking place in Europe. But U.S. personnel may take part in the effort, according to CNN’s sources.
It was already reported overnight that the Biden administration had signaled to European allies that the F-16 fighter jets would be sent to Ukraine.
https://thehill.com/newsletters/1230-report/4012353-the-hills-1230-rep
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Putin’s tenure in power has had a cumulative effect on his worldview. His assertiveness has grown in step with his strengthened grip on domestic power and his growing perception that he faces only limited international pushback. His personal resentment of geopolitical slights has grown and fed back into Russia’s national security dialogue. The influence of other forceful national security leaders has also grown. Putin has responded to internal challenges by seeking foreign policy distractions. The direction of his aims has always been consistent even if the vigor and rancor with which they are pursued has increased.
https://www.understandingwar.org/report/how-we-got-here-russia-kremlin
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Quote:Of course. Every wunderwaffe that NATO has provided... javelins, HIMARS, Patriot missiles, leopard tanks, APCs, Storm Shadow missiles etc has pretty much turned out to be a dud. Bc really, if any of these had turned the tide, if Ukraine was WINNING!, would we be supplying YET ANOTHER weapons system?
Originally posted by second:
Biden says US will help Ukraine with F-16s:
President Biden has told G-7 leaders during his trip to Japan that the U.S. will back an allied effort to train Ukrainian pilots on some aircraft, including F-16s, according to a CNN first report Friday morning.
The months-long training probably won’t happen in the U.S. — instead taking place in Europe. But U.S. personnel may take part in the effort, according to CNN’s sources.
It was already reported overnight that the Biden administration had signaled to European allies that the F-16 fighter jets would be sent to Ukraine.
https://thehill.com/newsletters/1230-report/4012353-the-hills-1230-rep
ort-more-developments-in-the-us-involvement-in-ukraine/
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How long will it take us, do you think, before we finally reach into our back pocket and pull out a nuke?
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Quote:"Nobody has explained how victory is supposed to look," Narusova told an interviewer. "If we think of the originally declared goals, 'denazification' and 'demilitarization,' the entire Ukrainian army must have been already destroyed by now."
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Of course. Every wunderwaffe that NATO has provided... javelins, HIMARS, Patriot missiles, leopard tanks, APCs, Storm Shadow missiles etc has pretty much turned out to be a dud. Bc really, if any of these had turned the tide, if Ukraine was WINNING!, would we be supplying YET ANOTHER weapons system?
How long will it take us, do you think, before we finally reach into our back pocket and pull out a nuke?
Narusova added that Russian soldiers are now up against NATO-armed Ukrainian troops.
"Does that mean we are demilitarizing NATO?" she asked. "That goal is unattainable."
The widow of Putin's political mentor and mother of his rumored goddaughter is increasingly voicing concerns about Russia's war in Ukraine
https://www.businessinsider.com/lyudmila-narusova-putins-political-men
tor-widow-concerns-war-ukraine-2023-5
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• A Ukrainian official stated that Russian forces have concentrated most of their available reserves to the Bakhmut area and slowed Ukrainian counterattacks in the past 24 hours.
• Ukrainian counterattacks near Bakhmut have notably likely eliminated the threat of a Russian encirclement of Ukrainian forces in Bakhmut and forced Russian troops to allocate scarce military resources to defend against a limited and localized offensive effort, as Ukrainian command likely intended.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-may-19-2023-0
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Wagner Declares Full Capture Of Bakhmut After 224 Days Of Fighting
Head of the Russian private military group Wagner, Yevgeny Prigozhin, has announced Saturday that after months of grinding warfare and heavy casualties, Russia has now taken full control of the strategic city of Bakhmut.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wagner-declares-full-capture-ba
khmut-after-224-days-fighting
The Duran, Brian Berletic, Sonar 21, even the pro-Ukrainian Military Summary Channel, have been following Russia's progress in Bakhmut. A week ago, there were 20 buildings yet to be captured. Yesterday, there were two.
And then there were none.
The Russian MoD usually follows the field commander's declaration by a few days to a few weeks. Buildings must be searched for soldiers, bodies, or booby traps,, the area de-mined, unexploded ordnance removed etc. Kiev generally takes a weeks to months to acknowledge lost territory.
Russia will probably want to "mop up" some of the surrounding villages Chasiv Yar has been mentioned over and over.
Next: Avdiika? Which is almost completely surrounded.
BTW most Russian troops are NOT in Bakhmut. Nobody knows where they are and the Russian MoD isn't saying, but there are an estimated 300,000 -500,000 somewhere. If they were all in Bakhmut they'd be stepping on each other's toes
Will Zelenskiy finally return to Ukraine now? Will Zaluzhny re-appear?
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Bakhmut Children's Hospital has been captured.
https://goo.gl/maps/RZDxEEb7USaz1UZ49
Assessed Control of Terrain in Bakhmut as of May 19, 2023, 3:00 PM ET
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-may-19-2023-0
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NATO To Draw Up Russia War Plans For First Time Since Cold War
Saturday, May 20, 2023 - 05:10 AM
Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,
NATO is drawing up plans on how to fight a war with Russia for the first time since the Cold War.
According to Reuters, at the upcoming NATO summit in Vilnius this July, alliance leaders will approve thousands of pages of secret military plans that will detail how to respond to a Russian attack.
Wait.
What?
I thought the whole point of NATO was defending against Russia.
You mean it's been a money-sucking bureaucracy for decades?
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Quote:The new plans are based on the many things Russia proved it cannot do. The old NATO plans were based on what Russia falsely claimed it could do. Huge difference between what little Russia actually accomplished in Ukraine and what Russia's blowhards claim it can do.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wait.
What?
I thought the whole point of NATO was defending against Russia.
You mean it's been a money-sucking bureaucracy for decades?
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Oh, hey SECOND, let me repeat this for you. You seem to have "missed" an important phrase
Quote:
NATO To Draw Up Russia War Plans For First Time Since Cold War
Saturday, May 20, 2023 - 05:10 AM
Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,
NATO is drawing up plans on how to fight a war with Russia for the first time since the Cold War.
According to Reuters, at the upcoming NATO summit in Vilnius this July, alliance leaders will approve thousands of pages of secret military plans that will detail how to respond to a Russian attack.
Wait.
What?
I thought the whole point of NATO was defending against Russia.
You mean it's been a money-sucking bureaucracy for decades?
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BTW, capturing Bakhmut was apparently not in Russian General Staff's plans. According to a number of people, they think the General Staff had planned on maintaining a static, defensive front and simply chewing up whatever Kiev threw at it, tying up a lot of Ukie forces, and diverting them from Kiev's great fall, winter , spring ... summer?? ... offensive.
But Progozhin, they say, wanted a feather in Wagner's cap and made capturing Bakhmut a priority, which would make the source of the apparent munitions dispute between him and the MoD clearer: There was enough to maintain a defensive posture, not enough committed to take the city.
With the capture of Bakhmut, I imagine a great number of plans have been changed, bc Kiev will now be free to commit their remaining forces to a battle of their own choosing along a 1000-mile front. This could be the reason why Russia accelerated their missile/bomb/drone strikes on weapons/munitions/fuel/air defenses all across Ukraine, bc now Kiev can pivot to wherever they choose.
There is one interesting piece of info I heard on Sonar21: There are very few transportation routes into southern Ukraine that can take the weight of multiple tanks, etc. One important one is a bridge from Romania into southern Ukraine. Well, Russia just bombed it a few days ago, making western resupply from that direction (towards Odessa) difficult if not impossible. Does that mean Russia intends to advance towards Odessa? There have been a lot of missile srikes in that area, as well as in Kiev, lately.
Oh, one more comment that I heard that I haven't taken the time to verify. what someone said about tha infamous video that Progozhin made with dead soldiers behind him?
"Those people weren't dead".
Dead soldiers are usually missing important parts... legs, arms, faces, chests... Sometimes there isn't left enough to fill a shopping bag, let alone a body bag. The comment was that they looked remarkably whole and un-wounded. I haven't seen the video myself, but if someone else has, let me know what you think.
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Quote:When did Russia withdraw from Afghanistan in failure? May 15, 1988.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, hey SECOND, let me repeat this for you. You seem to have "missed" an important phraseQuote:
NATO To Draw Up Russia War Plans For First Time Since Cold War
Saturday, May 20, 2023 - 05:10 AM
Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,
NATO is drawing up plans on how to fight a war with Russia for the first time since the Cold War.
According to Reuters, at the upcoming NATO summit in Vilnius this July, alliance leaders will approve thousands of pages of secret military plans that will detail how to respond to a Russian attack.
Wait.
What?
I thought the whole point of NATO was defending against Russia.
You mean it's been a money-sucking bureaucracy for decades?
(December 26, 1991 Soviet Union collapses.)
When did Russia invade Ukraine? February 24, 2022. Russia has provided new data in Ukraine on how well the Russian Army fights and Russia is weaker than in 1988.
Did Russia invade any other countries in an attempt to steal their land between 1988 and 2022? No. And that is why NATO had been using the same old plan since 1988 to defend against Russia invading Europe. I don't expect Russia to admit it failed in Ukraine until the fighting has gone on for as many years as in Afghanistan.
The Soviet Union collapsed because the Afghanistan invasion failed. Expect the same to happen if Russia fails to conquer Ukraine.
The collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 was one of the biggest historic events of the 20th century. Much like the Roman Empire, the USSR breakdown was due to an aggregate of factors, some internal, and some foreign. Unlike the Roman Empire, the Soviet Empire collapsed suddenly. Among the reasons for the fall of the Union, the invasion of Afghanistan was one of the poorest decisions that were made by the Soviet government.
Why the Soviet Union Invaded Afghanistan
https://www.history.com/news/1979-soviet-invasion-afghanistan
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Originally posted by second:Quote:When did Russia withdraw from Afghanistan in failure? May 15, 1988.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, hey SECOND, let me repeat this for you. You seem to have "missed" an important phraseQuote:
NATO To Draw Up Russia War Plans For First Time Since Cold War
Saturday, May 20, 2023 - 05:10 AM
Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,
NATO is drawing up plans on how to fight a war with Russia for the first time since the Cold War.
According to Reuters, at the upcoming NATO summit in Vilnius this July, alliance leaders will approve thousands of pages of secret military plans that will detail how to respond to a Russian attack.
Wait.
What?
I thought the whole point of NATO was defending against Russia.
You mean it's been a money-sucking bureaucracy for decades?
(December 26, 1991 Soviet Union collapses.)
When did Russia invade Ukraine? February 24, 2022. Russia has provided new data in Ukraine on how well the Russian Army fights and Russia is weaker than in 1988.
Did Russia invade any other countries in an attempt to steal their land between 1988 and 2022? No.
Oh, so now you contradict your previous narrative of "Russia the ravening imperialist"?
Hahaha!
Sooner or later, you make my arguments for me.
You've got scrambled eggs in there, SECOND!
And everything you post is shit.
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Quote:North Korea is always raging that South Korea and the US are oppressing it but at least North Korea is not so stupid as to invade South Korea. Russia does the same old act as North Korea but Russia proved itself much stupider by actually invading the country to the south of it.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, so now you contradict your previous narrative of "Russia the ravening imperialist"?
Hahaha!
Sooner or later, you make my arguments for me.
You've got scrambled eggs in there, SECOND!
And everything you post is shit.
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More scrambled brains from SECOND!
Hey SECOND, how in god's name do you imagine that anything you post makes a bit of sense to ... anyone?
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Yaroslav Trofimov @yarotrof
The news today is not that Prigozhin claims to control 100% of Bakhmut, up from 98% a week ago. The news is that a depleted Wagner will decamp in a few days, leaving the regular Russian army to deal with a Ukrainian counteroffensive on the flanks and possibly inside the city.
9:16 AM · May 20, 2023
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1659925947007549441
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Quote:Signym, short answers you misunderstand. Long answers you don't read. As soon as you read the 3 words "Russia's imperial delusions" you will stop because -- let me make up an explanation Russians actually use -- Russia has no Imperial Ambitions. Russia is only protecting itself from the machinations of NATO and the Ukrainian Jewish Nazi Zelenskyy. This is how Russia can go on and on imagining it is the sad victim persecuted by evil next-door neighbors rather than Russia is the evil next door to Western Europe.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More scrambled brains from SECOND!
Hey SECOND, how in god's name do you imagine that anything you post makes a bit of sense to ... anyone?
Fiona Hill: "The world is feeding Russia's imperial delusions"
by Rieke Havertz, Martin Klingst, Jacobia Dahm
https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2023-05/fiona-hill-ukraine-war-rus
sia-europe
Crimea is no longer a bargaining chip, says Russia expert Fiona Hill. A conversation about Putin's transfiguration of history, Europe's mistakes and new world orders.
Fiona Hill is a Russia expert at the Brookings Institution in Washington. She served as security advisor under U.S. Presidents George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Donald Trump. She's currently a Fellow of the Robert Bosch Academy. We met her in Berlin.
ZEIT ONLINE: In his recent speech, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Russia feels encircled by NATO and the West. During your time as an adviser to President George W. Bush, he argued in favor of NATO membership for Ukraine in 2008, and you were against it. Do you now have any second thoughts about that position?
Fiona Hill: No, because in the context of 2008, nobody had been thinking through the implications of offering Ukraine a NATO Membership Action Plan. This plan has no immediate effects. It doesn’t involve equipping a military to be able to fend off an attack the next day. And it was always obvious that NATO’s enlargement to Ukraine and to Georgia was a provocation for Putin. So we should have been doing something to address this security dilemma all along – in 2008, but also earlier, especially after 2004 and the big enlargement to Eastern European countries and the Baltic states of both NATO and the European Union. When this happened, we immediately left all the other neighboring countries, including Ukraine, in a strategic gray zone. The debates that we're having now in NATO about how to defend Ukraine and countries like Moldova and how to create security guarantees for them - we should have been having them on the very day after this massive enlargement of NATO.
ZEIT ONLINE: What could such security guarantees have looked like?
Hill: After its Winter War with the Soviet Union in 1939, Finland was always battle ready and well equipped to defend itself, not even seeking NATO membership until recently. In terms of second thoughts today, I would have sent the Finns around Europe to give advice to all other non-NATO European militaries about how they needed to posture themselves for a full-on defense and for any kind of eventuality. The biggest mistake we made was just thinking about NATO itself as the fortress and that everybody outside was left to their own devices. The whole idea that NATO’s Membership Action Plan, or even actual membership, would be an instant magic defensive shield was false. It was based on a whole set of erroneous assumptions, because it was obvious to anyone looking at the European security structures in this time frame that Putin was already moving in a revanchist direction and putting all kinds of pressure on neighboring countries.
The heart of all this was the persistence of imperial thinking from the tsarist and Soviet eras, wanting to exert political, economic and security influence over Europe. I still believe that NATO was not the proximate cause of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. But what NATO did for countries was create other options and ways to avoid or deal with this pressure. And Putin didn'
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A big Fat Neocon Liar (SECOND) quotes a Big Fat Neocon Liar (Fiona Hill)
What more do I need to read to know that it's not worth reading?
You're a big time-saver, SECOND!
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Of course. Every wunderwaffe that NATO has provided... javelins, HIMARS, Patriot missiles, leopard tanks, APCs, Storm Shadow missiles etc has pretty much turned out to be a dud. Bc really, if any of these had turned the tide, if Ukraine was WINNING!, would we be supplying YET ANOTHER weapons system?
Originally posted by second:
Biden says US will help Ukraine with F-16s:
President Biden has told G-7 leaders during his trip to Japan that the U.S. will back an allied effort to train Ukrainian pilots on some aircraft, including F-16s, according to a CNN first report Friday morning.
The months-long training probably won’t happen in the U.S. — instead taking place in Europe. But U.S. personnel may take part in the effort, according to CNN’s sources.
It was already reported overnight that the Biden administration had signaled to European allies that the F-16 fighter jets would be sent to Ukraine.
https://thehill.com/newsletters/1230-report/4012353-the-hills-1230-rep
ort-more-developments-in-the-us-involvement-in-ukraine/
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How long will it take us, do you think, before we finally reach into our back pocket and pull out a nuke?
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Putin to US companies in Russia: What's yours is mine.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/putin-to-us-companies-in-russi
a-what-s-yours-is-mine/ar-AA1aoBLy?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d3ce40ff0e99428e8a385159ef049b6e&ei=22
This is signyms' world. Do you have enough to eat over there comrade? Do you even have toilet paper to clean your ass?
That's right, you guys have a community outhouse in the middle of town don't you. Because you've always lived like this you probably don't notice any change. Too funny...
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Quote:Signym, tell me that Russia doesn't want to win too quickly because Ukraine is Russia's training ground for learning the skills to efficiently kill millions of Nazis from Western Europe. The longer the war goes on, the more millions of Nazis will die, repeating the purifying and holy experience of The Great Patriotic War (June 22, 1941 - May 9, 1945).
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A big Fat Neocon Liar (SECOND) quotes a Big Fat Neocon Liar (Fiona Hill)
What more do I need to read to know that it's not worth reading?
You're a big time-saver, SECOND!
Military expert says Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners ‘rescued the reputation’ of Patriot system
May 21, 2023, 05:13 AM
Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners have rescued the reputation of the U.S. Patriot air defense system by repelling attacks by Russian Kinzhal missiles, Defense Express expert Ivan Kyrychevskyi said during an interview with Radio NV on May 18.
He noted that before receiving the Patriot, it was expected that the system would be able to shoot down Iskander and Kh-22 missiles, but there was no mention of its ability to down more sophisticated missiles such as the Kinzhal and S-400.
Kyrychevskyi said that Saudi Arabia has 200 Patriot launchers, the appropriate infrastructure, and U.S. instructors to help them.
"The story is that about once every two to three months, the Yemeni Houthis fire on Saudi Arabia with combined strikes using Shahed 136, rather primitive ballistic missiles, and very primitive copies of the Kh-55," he said.
“But Saudi Arabia, with its anti-aircraft gunners trained by American instructors, sometimes even failed to repel such attacks.”
According to Kyrychevskyi, this had caused the Patriot's reputation to plummet around the world. Russia even tried to sell the Abakan system to Saudi Arabia, claiming it could shoot down ballistic targets.
"It was literally Allah who saved Saudi Arabia from doing such a stupid thing and buying these missile systems from the Russians, and not completely ruining the reputation of the American Patriot," the expert said.
“The Americans thought for a long time, and they were in two minds: to give us the Patriot or not. It turns out that our anti-aircraft gunners, with a short training course, squeezed out of the Patriot literally something that the Americans themselves did not even realize.”
In the early hours of May 16, the Air Defense Forces shot down six Kinzhal missiles fired from six MiG-31K aircraft.
On May 6, Ukrainian Air Force Commander Mykola Oleshchuk confirmed that Ukraine had shot down a Russian Kinzhal airborne ballistic missile for the first time near Kyiv in the early hours of May 4.
On May 13, AFU Air Force spokesman Yuriy Ihnat said that the Patriot was operating in autonomous mode when it shot down the Russian Kinzhal missile.
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Experts say Russia's claim to capture frontline city Bakhmut may not be much of a win
KYIV (UKRAINE) - Whether Bakhmut has fallen or not, Moscow is being pulled deeper into an ever more costly fight for the frontline city as Kyiv readies a major offensive, experts said.
Russia's claim to have conquered the destroyed city, which Ukraine rejected Sunday, does not mean significant new terrain from which to launch attacks nor harden defences.
But Moscow has made the eastern city's capture a key aim and has fought the war's longest battle, as well as one of its deadliest, to try to win what it would like to bill as a significant success.
US President Joe Biden, speaking from the G7 summit in Japan, noted Russian casualties in Bakhmut alone numbered over 100,000, including both dead and injured.
Rattled by the possibility of not winning Bakhmut after Ukraine this month retook kilometres of ground to the north and south of the city, Russia brought in significant numbers of additional troops.
"The redeployment represents a notable commitment," the UK Ministry of Defence said on Saturday, noting the reinforcements could number in the thousands.
The US-based Institute for the Study of War reported that Ukraine's attacks on Bakhmut's flanks "forced Russian troops to allocate scarce military resources... as Ukrainian command likely intended."
Ukraine has tamped down speculation that the advances are its long-awaited offensive but drawing growing numbers of Russian troops into the deadly fight in Bakhmut carries significant advantages for Kyiv's fightback.
- 'Buy time' -
"What they (Ukrainians) needed to do was to, one, weaken the Russians as much as possible before they do that counteroffensive, and secondly, buy time to get that force ready," said Phillips O'Brien, professor of strategic studies at St. Andrews University in Scotland.
"They calculated -- I believe it was the right choice -- that in fighting for Bakhmut, they could do both," he told US media outlet NPR in an interview aired Saturday.
The timing and focus of Ukraine's offensive have been the subject of months of speculation, while Kyiv has said almost nothing except that it needs more weapons from its backers.
At the same time, Russia has been reinforcing hundreds of kilometres of front line with tank barriers, trenches and troops.
Given that the battles would come after a significant influx of Western armaments, success or failure could undermine future support or increase pressure on Kyiv to negotiate.
It's hard to know the degree to which the troops reinforcing Bakhmut have left gaps in Russia's defences, but O'Brien said the Ukrainians could be waiting to attack "where they think the Russians are weakest".
The speculation regarding timing has cycled through several issues, including the particularly wet spring that left parts of the nation sopping.
Viscous Ukrainian mud is not an ideal surface for fast moving tanks or troops, but the weather has been mostly dry for weeks.
It is also difficult to imagine the nation launching a major offensive while Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky is out of the country.
- 'All just waiting' -
He has been on a rapid succession of major foreign trips in recent weeks, pushing his case for more and bigger weapons.
He won a pledge of more missiles from Britain and a multi-billion-euro package from Germany, as Europe intensifies its backing.
Zelensky also made a high-impact trip to Hiroshima to press his case in-person to G7 leaders, whose support is essential to Kyiv.
The G7 summit ends Sunday, which would mean Zelensky could soon be back home.
In Kyiv on Sunday soldiers received the news about Bakhmut with shrugs and scepticism.
They have heard claims before of the city's capture and they have other things on their minds.
"Everyone is trying to figure out when the offensive will start already. We know we have the equipment alrea
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Quote:"Institute for the Study of War" says Russia is winning, so with Signym's upside-down thinking, Russia must be losing.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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https://www.understandingwar.org/
From the "Institute for the Study of War":
Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin declared victory in Bakhmut City on May 20 and announced his intent to withdraw from the city on May 25.[1] Prigozhin claimed that Wagner Group forces completely captured Bakhmut City on May 20, seizing the last multi-story apartment building in southwestern Bakhmut near the MiG-17 monument. Prigozhin announced that Wagner forces will establish defensive positions before transferring responsibility for the city to Russian conventional forces on May 25. Prigozhin effectively stated that Wagner forces will conduct an operational pause by resting and restoring combat power at field training camps in unspecified areas, presumably far from the frontline. ISW has not observed geolocated footage confirming Prigozhin’s claims as of this publication. Ukrainian officials reported that Ukrainian forces are still fighting in a small section of southwest Bakhmut as of May 20. Ukrainian Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Malyar stated that Ukrainian forces continue to hold positions near the MiG-17 monument as of May 20.[2] The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) has not commented on Prigozhin’s claims as of this publication.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-may-20-2023
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SITREP 5/20/23: Bakhmut Falls, Artemovsk Rises. What's Next?
Simplicius The Thinker
May 20, 2023
Well, the chef has delivered his finest cuisine yet...
... Bakhmut today has fallen on the exact one year anniversary of the fall of Mariupol on May 20th, 2022. And not surprisingly, the posture adopted by the UA supporters is the same exact energy as before: cringe, cope, excuse-making. “Bakhmut’s mission is accomplished,” they say, swallowing sobs.
Here’s the vast, incalculable list of units which were broken over the Wagnerian rock:
Why is Bakhmut called a Meat Grinder?
Who was decimated in Bakhmut:
Ukrainian Brigades
45th Brigade
43rd Brigade
26th Brigade
28th Brigade
62nd Brigade
63rd Brigade
53rd Brigade
60th Brigade
24th Brigade
57th Brigade
30th Brigade
Advance Rubizh Brigade
Advance Azov Brigade
Advance Uragan Brigade
Advance Spartan Brigade
109th Brigade
116th Brigade
119th Brigade
241st Brigade
93rd Brigade
77th Brigade
46th Brigade
4th Brigade
17th Brigade
61st Brigade of Jaegers
Special Forces and Spetsnaz Regiments:
5th Assault Regiment
8th Regiment of Special Forces
Kraken Battalions:
122nd Battalion
68th Battalion
214th OPFOR Battalion
49th Rifle Battalion
15th Mountain Assault Battalion
Omega
Border Guard Donetsk
8th Regiment of the UDAR UAVs:
Shershen
Adam
Karlsen
Terra
Skala
Madyar
Khartia
Kep
Seneka
WASP Legions:
Dudaev Battalion
Georgian Legion
Mansur Battalion
Shamil Battalion
Gonor
Normandy Legion
Most of these battalions have suffered more than 70% casualties just against PMC Wagner.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-52023-bakhmut-falls-artemov
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Quote:Indeed What's Next? Eight more years of war, judging by the Afghan–Soviet War.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SITREP 5/20/23: Bakhmut Falls, Artemovsk Rises. What's Next?
Simplicius The Thinker
May 20, 2023
Dec 24, 1979 – Feb 15, 1989
"What is it they really hope to gain with all this if it’s clear to anyone with even the remotest military knowledge that there’s simply no way possible for Ukraine to win?" - Simplicius The Thinker
Simplicius The Thinker is destined to have a rude awakening.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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SECOND: "Institute for the Study of War" says Russia is winning, so with Signym's upside-down thinking, Russia must be losing.
Dood, I don't give ISW enough credit to bother reading it, much less go into opposite-land over what they publish. It's shit-can material. Do YOU rummage in shitcans looking for edible tidbits? Apparently so!
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Originally posted by second:
Simplicius The Thinker is destined to have a rude awakening.
Simplicius can be awakened by facts. SECOND OTOH is so mentally moribund he may as well be in a coma. A self-induced one.
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So indeed, what next?
NATO airstrikes into Russian-occupied Ukraine?
As far as I can tell, that would suit Russia just fine. All of this escalation by Ukraine and NATO has allowed Russia to demilitarize Kiev and, to a certain extent, NATO. The more money and weapons and volunteers that NATO commits to the fight, the more NATO will be drained.
I'm sure Russian spox will shake their fists and act outraged but I imagine secretly they would be thinking 'Come into my parlor' said the spider to the fly.
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Quote:A Russian state TV guest insisted the country needed at least 4 million more soldiers in order to win its war in Ukraine.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So indeed, what next?
Aleksey Zhuravlyov, chairman of the ultranationalist Rodina party that supports President Vladimir Putin, made the comments during a discussion on the state-approved Russia 1 channel.
He continued: "It is impossible to go with 400-500k people where 3-4 million are needed. You can say whatever you want, but it's true.”
The Russian military is rather inept. It is largely reliant on sheer numbers to try and overwhelm an opponent.
https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-guest-says-country-needs-4-m
illion-more-soldiers-1801654
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Quote:How about knocking down the Kerch Strait Bridge? How about airstrikes on Russia, not Ukraine?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So indeed, what next?
NATO airstrikes into Russian-occupied Ukraine?
As far as I can tell, that would suit Russia just fine. All of this escalation by Ukraine and NATO has allowed Russia to demilitarize Kiev and, to a certain extent, NATO. The more money and weapons and volunteers that NATO commits to the fight, the more NATO will be drained.
I'm sure Russian spox will shake their fists and act outraged but I imagine secretly they would be thinking 'Come into my parlor' said the spider to the fly.
Like all dictatorships, Russia is more concerned with image over substance. After all, a legitimately powerful military can cause big problems for a dictator. A strong and effective military is a source of potential threats to the regime. If the military, especially its command structure, is efficient and disciplined and well-trained enough to operate as a single cohesive unit, then there's nothing the dictator can do to stop it if it decides to overthrow him.
A powerful military is expensive. All that money spent on tanks and planes and ships and rockets that work is money that the dictator and his cronies can't steal.
However, you don't need to be powerful to keep other countries out of your internal affairs, you just have to appear powerful. Unfortunately for Putin in Ukraine, he fell into a very common trap for dictators: he bought into his own hype.
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Russian reactions to the claimed capture of Bakhmut illustrate an increasingly growing divide between the Kremlin’s domestic presentation of the war and the ultranationalist milblogger community’s coverage of Russian operations in Ukraine. Russian state television portrayed the alleged capture of Bakhmut as a seminal historic event and claimed that the city’s capture would facilitate Russian operations to capture Slovyansk (41km northwest of Bakhmut) and Kramatorsk (35km northwest of Bakhmut) and even Dnipro City (roughly 215km west of Bakhmut).[25] The Kremlin likely attempted to oversell the significance of the capture of Bakhmut as a historical victory due to the continued lack of tactical success in Ukraine, with one Russian state media outlet outrageously commenting that Wagner personnel in Bakhmut must feel like “their grandfathers in Berlin.”[26]
Russian ultranationalist milbloggers celebrated the alleged capture of Bakhmut but emphasized that “Bakhmut is not Berlin” and that the capture of the city would be simply another step in ongoing difficult operations to achieve Russian objectives in Ukraine.[27] Russian milbloggers responded to the alleged capture of Bakhmut by discussing more immediate possible Russian operations to capture Khromove (immediately west of Bakhmut), Ivanivske (6km west of Bakhmut), and Chasiv Yar (12km west of Bakhmut).[28] Other prominent Russian milbloggers responded to the capture of Bakhmut by focusing on possible imminent Ukrainian counteroffensive operations instead of possible future Russian offensive operations.[29] Russian milbloggers shifted to more conservative expectations of Russian operations as the attritional offensive to capture Bakhmut continued from winter into spring of 2023, and they have largely abandoned their previous high expectations that the capture of Bakhmut would lead to a collapse of Ukrainian lines in the area and Russian advances up to Slovyansk and Kramatorsk.[30] Russian milbloggers’ more realistic views about both Russian capabilities in Ukraine and the relevance of the Bakhmut offensive highlight the divergence between two very different segments of the pro-war Russian information space: the more optimistic presentation of the war offered by the Kremlin and the more informed presentation of the war offered by milbloggers. These growing differences will likely continue to undermine the Kremlin’s ability to shape the Russian information space.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-may-21-2023
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Poor comrade signym. It must be tough being a victim all your life. Not being capable of differentiating fact tellers from liars.
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Originally posted by second:
Russian reactions to the claimed capture of Bakhmut illustrate an increasingly growing divide between the Kremlin’s domestic presentation of the war and the ultranationalist milblogger community’s coverage of Russian operations in Ukraine. Russian state television portrayed the alleged capture of Bakhmut as a seminal historic event and claimed that the city’s capture would facilitate Russian operations to capture Slovyansk (41km northwest of Bakhmut) and Kramatorsk (35km northwest of Bakhmut) and even Dnipro City (roughly 215km west of Bakhmut).[25] The Kremlin likely attempted to oversell the significance of the capture of Bakhmut as a historical victory due to the continued lack of tactical success in Ukraine, with one Russian state media outlet outrageously commenting that Wagner personnel in Bakhmut must feel like “their grandfathers in Berlin.”[26]
The only thing Bakhmut was strategically, was for the Ukrainians. It was a location they used to funnel Russian troops into a killing zone. It also keeps Russia from opening fronts elsewhere as they prepare to do just that.
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Not for your sake, SECOND, bc I know you'll never learn, butfor anyone else who may be reading you, I'm going to briefly address your last posts
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A Russian state TV guest insisted the country needed at least 4 million more soldiers in order to win its war in Ukraine.
So, some random guy on Russian TV makes a statement, and bc it's on Russian TV we're supposed to believe it? So far, nothing in Russia's progress in this war indicates that's necessary. Russia took Mariupol with fewer numbers than defenders. Wagner, a PMC defeated the best army in Europe (with Russian artillery and air support) with fewer numbers than defenders. If Russia continues to rely on standoff weapons to attrit Kiev/NATO forces and control the pace of war, then Russia can continue to slowly munch its way thru Ukraine with far fewer losses than Kiev.
Quote:One unfortunate result of this war is that I've learned more about warfare than I ever wanted to. SECOND, of course, has learned nothing. It takes a LOT of explosives to knock down a bridge (like the Nordstream pipelines, it took an estimated 1000 pounds of C4 to blow it open) That is beyond the capacity of any drone and most missiles, which have to give up their internal space to fuel and engine compartments. You're either talking a salvo of VERY large missiles or very large bombs dropped by bombers. Can you say "duck hunting"? Sure you can
How about knocking down the Kerch Strait Bridge?
Quote:How about airstrikes on Ploand, Britain, NATO HQ, etc? With the failure of the Patriot missiles to protect .... themselves... the NATO countries are virtually undefended from air warfare. One hypesonic missile can do a lot of damage.
How about airstrikes on Russia, not Ukraine?
Quote:I'd say this is more true of Kiev and the USA. The Russian MoD has a plan. They dont TELL us what the plan is don't constantly lie about their successes, or blab on and on about their coming offenses or brag how they'regoing to destroy and partition the enemy. When necessay, Russian MoD withdraws from difficult-to-defend positions despite taking a lot of flak and creating talking points for the enemy. They wont be rushed or angered into taking precipitous action. Kiev, NATO, the EU, and USA (and SECOND) are CONSTANTLY blathering nonsense and creating meaningless buzz about how they're winning, or going to win, or how to enemy is so incompetent/criminal etc.
Like all dictatorships, Russia is more concerned with image over substance.
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Quote:How big was the Red Army at its peak? The Soviet Army numbered 12.5 million soldiers. And the enemy was only half of Germany. (The other half of Germany, the western front, was being handled by the US) Today, the enemy is all of Europe, plus the US, plus Canada, if you believe the Russians. So 4 million soldiers to take on NATO does NOT seem like enough. Signym, you don't know anything, you goddamn ding dong. But if Russia, despite its claim to be taking on NATO, is only fighting Ukraine, maybe 500,000 Russian soldiers is enough.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not for your sake, SECOND, bc I know you'll never learn, butfor anyone else who may be reading you, I'm going to briefly address your last postsQuote:
A Russian state TV guest insisted the country needed at least 4 million more soldiers in order to win its war in Ukraine.
So, some random guy on Russian TV makes a statement, and bc it's on Russian TV we're supposed to believe it? So far, nothing in Russia's progress in this war indicates that's necessary. Russia took Mariupol with fewer numbers than defenders. Wagner, a PMC defeated the best army in Europe (with Russian artillery and air support) with fewer numbers than defenders. If Russia continues to rely on standoff weapons to attrit Kiev/NATO forces and control the pace of war, then Russia can continue to slowly munch its way thru Ukraine with far fewer losses than Kiev.
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Bullshit. Once again, you expose your ignorance SECOND. The German army was NOT divided 50/50. The Russian front was roughly 1000 miles. The western front appx 300. 80pct of German casualties were on the Russian front, and it was Russia that advanced into Berlin, not the USA. Your posts are shitcan material.
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Quote:Look at map, Signym. Berlin is on the Eastern edge of Germany, close to Russia. It is kind of like Washington D.C. is on the East Coast. That is THE reason Russia got there before the US.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Bullshit. Once again, you expose your ignorance SECOND. The German army was NOT divided 50/50. The Russian front was roughly 1000 miles. The western front appx 300. 80pct of German casualties were on the Russian front, and it was Russia that advanced into Berlin, not the USA. Your posts are shitcan material.
Germany only attacked Russia because Russia got defeated twice by Finland in the Winter War followed by Continuation War. Hitler correctly saw that Russia was weak. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
Hitler's Operation Barbarossa turned into a fiasco because Hitler, the silly poseur, sent the German Army and 600,000 horses with carts for moving freight into Russia over the objections of his generals, proving that German fighting spirit could not overcome a shortage of motorized vehicles.
Stalin was an even bigger poseur because, in the midst of all this carnage, he was still killing Russians by the millions. The Eastern Front was fought by idiots at the top making stupid decisions.
Signym, the contradiction is between the story Russians tell themselves in 2023 and the truth about Russians in WWII:
How many died under these wartime conditions in the camps? Tolstoy says that one “former prisoner, who with his comrades conducted a rough-and-ready estimate, reckoned that seven million gulag inmates were slaughtered in the first year of the war.”39 Although Tolstoy believes that this need not be an exaggeration, a more prudent estimate of the total murdered in transit to or in the camps during the whole war period is 8,518,000 Soviet citizens (see appendix 7.1).
What irony, indeed. The democracies fought alongside the Soviet Union to eradicate the horror of fascism from the world. And afterwards, the democracies shook their collective head over the documented mass, inhuman murder of Jews and heaved a sigh of relief and thankfulness that this abominable Nazi system was utterly defeated. Yet, the democracies’ major ally and a victor sitting in judgment with them at the Nuremberg trials was, during that very war, murdering more innocent people just in their labor camps than the Nazis were machine gunning in the gullies and gassing in their concentration camps.
From the book Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder since 1917 by R. J. Rummel
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https://www.amazon.com/Lethal-Politics-Soviet-Genocide-Murder-ebook/dp
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The only thing Bakhmut was strategically, was for the Ukrainians. It was a location they used to funnel Russian troops into a killing zone. It also keeps Russia from opening fronts elsewhere as they prepare to do just that.
You didn't know how to digest the news that Kiev lost Bakhmut until the M$M told you what to think?
That's sad, THUGR.
Russian casualty figures via the M$M are fiction.
But hey, stay in your delusional world!
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And even MORE shitcan material from SHITCA , er.... I mean, SECOND.
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Quote:You wrote this: "it was Russia that advanced into Berlin, not the USA. Your posts are shitcan material."
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And even MORE shitcan material fromSHITCA, er.... I mean, SECOND.
Look at a map, Signym. Berlin is on the Eastern edge of Germany, close to Russia. It is kind of like Washington D.C. is on the East Coast. That is THE reason Russia got there before the US.
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Quote:What is the distance from Stalingrad to Berlin, son? (Against, say, Normandy to Berlin.)
Originally posted by second:Quote:You wrote this: "it was Russia that advanced into Berlin, not the USA. Your posts are shitcan material."
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And even MORE shitcan material fromSHITCA, er.... I mean, SECOND.
Look at a map, Signym. Berlin is on the Eastern edge of Germany, close to Russia. It is kind of like Washington D.C. is on the East Coast. That is THE reason Russia got there before the US.
If I wanted to waste a lot of time, I could make an EPIC list of your fails. But I prefer to shitcan them instead
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Quote:More evidence you cannot read a map, Signym.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What is the distance from Stalingrad to Berlin, son? (Against, say, Normandy to Berlin.)
If I wanted to waste a lot of time, I could make an EPIC list of your fails. But I prefer to shitcan them instead
Putin would never acknowledge this happened for pride and personal reasons:
Totaling $11.3 billion, or $180 billion in today's currency, the Lend-Lease Act of the United States supplied needed goods to the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1945 in support of what Stalin described to Roosevelt as the "enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy - bloodthirsty Hitlerism.”
• 400,000 jeeps & trucks
• 14,000 airplanes
• 8,000 tractors
• 13,000 tanks
• 1.5 million blankets
• 15 million pairs of army boots
• 107,000 tons of cotton
• 2.7 million tons of petrol products
• 4.5 million tons of food
https://ru.usembassy.gov/world-war-ii-allies-u-s-lend-lease-to-the-sov
iet-union-1941-1945/
Roosevelt didn't send troops to Russia because he was using them elsewhere, places where Stalin didn't care what happened. Places like the entire Pacific, the North Atlantic, or all of Europe, including the Western Front.
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What does map-reading have to do with Lend Lease?
Only that SECOND got his ass handed to him and is trying to change the topic
What was the most-produced tank of WW II?
The T-34 medium (Soviet) tank. https://www.hotcars.com/most-produced-tanks-of-ww2-ranked/
What was the most-produced warplane of WW II?
The Ilyushin II-2. https://aerocorner.com/blog/most-produced-aircraft-in-ww2/
The largest army of WW II?
The Soviet Army, of course.
https://erenow.net/ww/the-history-buffs-guide-to-world-war-ii/9.php
The front with the greatest number of German casualties?
The eastern (Soviet) front, of course by a factor of 10 over KIAs on the 'western" front
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_casualties_in_World_War_II
Who won the war against the Nazis?
Why, the Soviet Union, of course.
Instead of mouth-breathing bias, SECOND, why don't you look up some facts?
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Quote:And the Russians intend to win the war against Nazis, again!
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Who won the war against the Nazis?
Why, the Soviet Union, of course.
Instead of mouth-breathing bias, SECOND, why don't you look up some facts?
A Russian-state TV analyst called for terrorist attacks against the West over its support for Ukraine amid its war with Russia. The latest threat came from analyst Igor Shishkin, director of the CIS Countries Institute, who said during an appearance on Russian-state TV that "blood should be flowing" in the West over its support for Ukraine.
"Power and fear are the only things that work. They won't stop until they feel fear. Therefore, there are two options," he said. "Either a victorious completion of the special military operation. But if that isn't doable right now for some reason, then they have to start suffering losses right now."
He continued: "If France delivers weapons that kill Russian people, blood should be flowing on the streets of France. If Germany sends tanks that kill Russian soldiers, blood should be flowing in the streets of Germany."
He received pushback from only one other analyst, Dmitry Lekuh, who instead suggested Russia should conduct nuclear strikes against the West as an alternative form of retribution.
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-propagandist-floats-terrorist-attacks-a
gainst-west-over-ukraine-aid-1801963
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Quote:Who slaughtered the most Russians? Joseph Stalin! Breaking the slaughter into chapters:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What does map-reading have to do with Lend Lease?
Only that SECOND got his ass handed to him and is trying to change the topic
What was the most-produced tank of WW II?
The T-34 medium (Soviet) tank.
3 2,200,000 Victims: The NEP Period 1923-1928
4 11,440,000 Victims: The Collectivization Period, 1929-1935
5 4,345,000 Victims: The Great Terror Period 1936-1938
6 5,104,000 Victims: Pre-World War II Period 1939-June 1941
7 13,053,000 Victims: World War II Period, June 1941-1945
8 15,613,000 Victims: Postwar and Stalin’s Twilight Period, 1945-1953
From the book Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder since 1917 by R. J. Rummel
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It is a popular belief in Russia that Hitler slaughtered the most Russians, but the actual top-scoring slaughterer is Stalin. Another popular belief in Russia is that Russia won WWII all by itself, but Ukraine is showing that Russia can't even win in Ukraine (it is day 454 of this war or day 3,377 from 22 February 2014) so there is some growing doubt inside Russia that Russia beat Germany without US and UK help.
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The Russian information space responded with panic, factionalism, and incoherency as it tends to display when it experiences significant informational shocks. Some milbloggers fixated on the fact that the RDK and LSR are comprised of mostly Russians and labeled them traitors to Russia, baselessly accusing them of working under the GUR.[15] Several milbloggers additionally speculated that the attack was a purposeful information operation intended to distract from the recent Russian capture of Bakhmut and to instill panic in the Russian information space in advance of a potential Ukrainian counteroffensive.[16] Former Russian officer and ardent nationalist milblogger Igor Girkin remarked that he has long warned that such cross-border raids may be part of a wider Ukrainian counteroffensive strategy.[17] Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin took advantage of the incident to accuse the Russian government and its bureaucratic inertia of contributing to the attack and criticized the Russian MoD for being unable to strengthen Russian borders and defend Russia.[18] The first observed line of Russian defensive fortifications notably runs 2km in from of Gora Podol, and the suggestion that RDK forces managed to penetrate the defensive line emphasizes the weakness of such fortifications at least when not fully manned by well-prepared and well-equipped soldiers. While the majority of milbloggers responded with relatively varied concern, anxiety, and anger, the information space did not coalesce around one coherent response, which indicates first and foremost that the attack took Russian commentators by surprise.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-may-22-2023
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More shitcan material from SECOND.
He sure wastes a lot of time posting it.
It's a good thing I don't waste my time reading it
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Quote:Signym, when your comments on this page are strung together I realize that your favorite word is “shit”. And your favor stance is a Superiority Complex, an attitude of superiority concealing actual feelings of inferiority and failure, which is very Russian when you realize Russia has an economy smaller than Canada, a country that does NOT insist it will nuke the US. But then Canada didn’t get beaten by Finland, twice during WWII, while Russia got crushed into bloody slush. Russia has not yet recovered from what Finland did to it. Eighty years from now Russia won't have psychologically recovered from what Ukraine is doing to it.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More shitcan material from SECOND.
He sure wastes a lot of time posting it.
It's a good thing I don't waste my time reading it
Signym wrote:
Instead of mouth-breathing bias, SECOND, why don't you look up some facts?
If I wanted to waste a lot of time, I could make an EPIC list of your fails. But I prefer to shitcan them instead
And even MORE shitcan material from
You didn't know how to digest the news that Kiev lost Bakhmut until the M$M told you what to think?
That's sad, THUGR.
Russian casualty figures via the M$M are fiction.
But hey, stay in your delusional world!
Bullshit. Once again, you expose your ignorance SECOND.
One unfortunate result of this war is that I've learned more about warfare than I ever wanted to. SECOND, of course, has learned nothing.
So indeed, what next?
NATO airstrikes into Russian-occupied Ukraine?
As far as I can tell, that would suit Russia just fine. All of this escalation by Ukraine and NATO has allowed Russia to demilitarize Kiev and, to a certain extent, NATO. The more money and weapons and volunteers that NATO commits to the fight, the more NATO will be drained.
I'm sure Russian spox will shake their fists and act outraged but I imagine secretly they would be thinking 'Come into my parlor' said the spider to the fly.
SECOND OTOH is so mentally moribund he may as well be in a coma. A self-induced one.
Dood, I don't give ISW enough credit to bother reading it, much less go into opposite-land over what they publish. It's shit-can material. Do YOU rummage in shitcans looking for edible tidbits? Apparently so!
"Institute for the Study of War": The neocon Kagan-Nuland family disinfo project.
A known neocon liar (SECOND) quotes known neocons liars (ISW).
= more shitcan food!
A big Fat Neocon Liar (SECOND) quotes a Big Fat Neocon Liar (Fiona Hill)
What more do I need to read to know that it's not worth reading?
You're a big time-saver, SECOND!
More scrambled brains from SECOND!
Hey SECOND, how in god's name do you imagine that anything you post makes a bit of sense to ... anyone?
You've got scrambled eggs in there, SECOND!
And everything you post is shit.
Oh, one more comment that I heard that I haven't taken the time to verify. what someone said about tha infamous video that Progozhin made with dead soldiers behind him?
"Those people weren't dead".
Dead soldiers are usually missing important parts... legs, arms, faces, chests... Sometimes there isn't left enough to fill a shopping bag, let alone a body bag. The comment was that they looked remarkably whole and un-wounded. I haven't seen the video myself, but if someone else has, let me know what you think.
Wait.
What?
I thought the whole point of NATO was defending against Russia.
You mean it's been a money-sucking bureaucracy for decades?
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More shitcan material from SECOND.
He sure wastes a lot of time posting it.
It's a good thing I don't waste my time reading it
SECOND: Signym, when your comments on this page are strung together I realize that your favorite word is “shit”. And your favor stance is a Superiority Complex
My favorite word on this page is "shit" bc that best describes your posts. I rarely use it elsewhere.
And I don't feel superior to everyone (like you do) but it's hard not to feel superior to you bc you're a hate-filled liar and malicious troll.
Capisce?
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Here are some sources of info that, while not 100% reliable (no source ever is!) provide at least more realism on Ukraine, Russia, and miltary matters in general
The Duran
Hosted by Alexander Mercouris, Greek-born but educated and living in London and
Alex Christoforou, Cypriot-born American-raised and educated currently living in Cyprus
The Duran references western media, official readouts and reports from Britain, the USA, Russia, Ukraine, and China, private emails from across the globe (Sweden, India etc) Telegram channels from Ukraine and Russia ect for a broad-based view of events in Ukraine, the collective west, Russia and elsewhere.
The New Atlas
Hosted by Brian Berletic, a former Marine "Electro-Optical Ordnance Repairman" currently living in Thailand and working as an industrial design engineer
Berletic is particularly knowledgable about weapons capabilities, training,and logistics requirements and regularly comments on western weaponry supplied to Ukraine and their potential impact on the direction of the war
Military Summary Channel
Hosted by "Dima", a pro-Ukrainian Belarusian
Dima tracks the day-to-day ebb and flow of the front line in Ukraine. His maps are particularly valuable, especially his "short summary" format
I would have recommended Gonzalo Lira, a Chilean-born American citizen living in Karkhov, not bc he did a lot of reporting on Ukraine and the war but bc he hosted a "round table" discussion with (usually) interesting guests, but he was arrested by Ukrainian SBU https://news.yahoo.com/pro-russian-blogger-gonzalo-lira-172900103.html
Simplicius The Thinker
https://simplicius76.substack.com/archive
Occasional but often insightful military analysis
Also
Sonar21, Larry Johnson former CIA and security specialist
https://sonar21.com/
Dances wih Bears, John Helmer
https://johnhelmer.org/
Moon of Alabama, "B", former German military
https://www.moonofalabama.org/
Again, I would have recommended The Saker, Swiss expat of Russian descent, former NATO military analyst, but he shut down his blog bc of the security threat to his family
Seymour Hersch, publishes the ugly naked truth
Colonel Douglas MacGregor, a strongly conservative pro-American retired Colonel, in interviews on various programs
Pepe Escobar, a Brazilian reporter who specialized in Central Asia but who travels the world
Andrei Martyanov, a Russian expat living on the USA who was trained as a USSR commander. If you can get past his accent and obvious and repeated disdain for the USA military he has interesting things to say about strategy and logistics
Anway, there are lots of sources of better info than CNN/MSNBC/NYT/WaPo etc
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Quote:Signym, you are being childish. Why not go all the way and write: "I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you"? The old Ruskies did that so often toward the US that it was assigned a new word in the dictionary: whataboutism. But it was just full-grown Ruskies acting like emotionally traumatized children. It made the Ruskies feel better, but the rest of the world knew that the Ruskies never even halfway recovered from the psychological damage caused by Lenin/Stalin murdering 62 million Ruskies followed by Hitler killing more millions, but nowhere near as many as Stalin killed. My advice to Ruskies: give up alcohol and grow up. It is way past time. And while the Ruskies are suffering growing pains from their new maturity, without alcohol to ease the pain, they should go back home, leaving Ukraine and the rest of the world in peace.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More shitcan material from SECOND.
He sure wastes a lot of time posting it.
It's a good thing I don't waste my time reading it
SECOND: Signym, when your comments on this page are strung together I realize that your favorite word is “shit”. And your favor stance is a Superiority Complex
My favorite word on this page is "shit" bc that best describes your posts. I rarely use it elsewhere.
And I don't feel superior to everyone (like you do) but it's hard not to feel superior to you bc you're a hate-filled liar and malicious troll.
Capisce?
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More shitcan material from SECOND.
He sure wastes a lot of time posting it.
It's a good thing I don't waste my time reading it
SECOND: Signym, when your comments on this page are strung together I realize that your favorite word is “shit”. And your favor stance is a Superiority Complex
SIGNY: My favorite word on this page is "shit" bc that best describes your posts. I rarely use it elsewhere.
And I don't feel superior to everyone (like you do) but it's hard not to feel superior to you bc you're a hate-filled liar and malicious troll.
Capisce?
SECOND: Signym, you are being childish... The old Ruskies...
Why not just call me "Russian troll" and "Trumptard", troll? You seem.to specialize in libel and insinuation (bc you're too chickenshit to libel directly, anymore. You must have consulted a lawyer) You OTOH have amply demonstrated your lying, hate-filled, malicious nature. You've even bragged about it.
You're droll, troll.
****
BTW, your "figures" on the # of people who died under Stalin aren't supported by any other historian. Your claim would have had Stalin literally wiping out most of Russia's population... a claim not supported by demography . Your source is tainted,like you are.
https://u.osu.edu/mclc/2018/02/08/who-killed-more-hitler-stalin-or-mao/
*****
Now, with all of those sources of info available to you, there's no excuse for posting shit.
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From Moon of Alabama
THE F-16 v THE MIG-29, comparison of takeoff airfield requirements
Quote:
The Ukrainian Air Force, to my knowledge, has had to use guerilla airfield tactics to keep the Russians guessing as to where they are operating from. This is to prevent Moscow from targeting the aircraft/impromptu airfield from drone attacks and air strikes, destroying stationary aircraft or the rendering the “runway” unusable. Soviet-built aircraft are sublimely suited to this.
For ex, the MiG-29 “Fulcrum” uses automatic Foreign Object Debris (FOD) covers that close for initial start up (vid). Meanwhile louvres located at the top of the wing-root open to provide alternate air intake to the jet engines. Upon take off, once the weight on wheels (WoW) switch in the nose gear detects it is off the ground, the louvers cycle closed and the FOD covers on the primary intake retract, allowing max airflow to the engines once the danger of FOD damage has passed. This ingenious design allows the Fulcrum to operate, not only from unimproved runways or even highways, but even from grass fields. The wing itself and the distance to the ground preventing small stones and debris from getting sucked into the delicate engines.
I cannot stress how dangerous and debilitating FOD is to aircraft. A single rock, bolt, nut, or minor road debris can have a cataclysmic effect on a modern high-performance jet engine. It may not even happen immediately, the damage could happen on take off, then progressively get worse during flight as the blades, now potentially bent or unbalanced begin to self-destruct the engine internals. Even if a MiG-29 happens to shell out an engine because of the careless placement of a bolt or tool by a mechanic or the ingestion of a bird during flight or take off, the MiG HAS TWO ENGINES which are isolated in separate bays, preventing the destruction of one engine from FOD-ing out the second.
The F-16, by contrast, is definitely not suited for this style of airfield. The bottom of the intake lip sits approximately 30” from the ground with no provision of alternate intake. In addition, all the suction flow of that air comes from the sides, fore, and ground since no air can be ingested from above the engine (that’s where the fuselage is). With no provision for FOD protection or alternate, high-mounted intakes during the entire time spent on the ground, this calls for rigid and inflexible FOD control measures from the location of engine start, to taxiing routes to the runway.
In the USAF, this meant hundreds of maintainers walking at arms-length intervals two to three times a day with eyes on the ground looking for any and every piece of debris that could be ingested by the multi-million dollar vacuum cleaner with only ONE engine we were charged with maintaining. In addition, an almost constant procession of street-cleaners rumbled up and down the flightline, taxiways and runway. Everything had to be spotless lest we risk the aircraft, or worse, the pilots.
Imagine the preparation it would take to complete this process on a 10,000 foot long straight highway, in the dark, while trying to be as inconspicuous as possible so as not to draw the attention of collaborators or Russian spies. You couldn’t hop from highway to highway or run from unimproved airfields like the Ukrainian Air Force can do with MiG-29s, you’d be handcuffed or at the very least less mobile. Imagine a disused Soviet airfield that suddenly had all its weeds plucked from the cracks in the concrete, concrete patched, the runway spotless. What signal does that send? “F-16s could, will, or are operating from here.”
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/05/f-16s-to-ukraine.html#more
There's a lot more in that article, but I thought this section was particularly funny.
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Quote:Russia said you are full of baloney about the F-16. If the F-16 is as bad as you claim, Russia would be encouraging the US to send as many as possible in order to humiliate the US. Or, maybe, Russia is using reverse psychology to trick the US into doing who knows what. There is no way to tell other than send the F-16 and see how well or badly these weapons perform when flown by Ukrainians on suicide missions against the Kerch Strait Bridge. Banzai!
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
From Moon of Alabama
THE F-16 v THE MIG-29, comparison of takeoff airfield requirements
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/05/f-16s-to-ukraine.html#more
There's a lot more in that article, but I thought this section was particularly funny.
Russia has warned Western countries that supplying Ukraine with F-16 fighter jets would carry “colossal risks”, after US President Joe Biden announced the US would support the delivery of warplanes.
As G7 leaders met for the second day of the summit in Japan, Russian deputy foreign minister Alexander Grushko accused Western countries of “still adhering to the escalation scenario”.
“It involves colossal risks for themselves,” he added. “In any case, this will be taken into account in all our plans, and we have all the necessary means to achieve the goals we have set.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-colossal-risks-
f16-ukraine-b2342646.html
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Fuck Ukraine.
#Rootin4Putin.
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Quote:Only the Russians support Trump. I see why. Criminals stick together in gangs because crime is more entertaining than honestly working as individuals for a living. Firefly proved that.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck Ukraine.
#Rootin4Putin.
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Get fucked, retard.
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