Moscow Burns / Coup In Progress

POSTED BY: THG
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THG

Saturday, June 24, 2023 5:55 AM

THG

Saturday, June 24, 2023 6:05 AM

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THG

Saturday, June 24, 2023 6:07 AM

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THG

Saturday, June 24, 2023 6:09 AM

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THG

Saturday, June 24, 2023 6:15 AM

Comrade signym. Here it is, proof positive, like you keep saying, Russia must be winning the war.

Too funny

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THG

Saturday, June 24, 2023 6:23 AM

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JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, June 24, 2023 6:26 AM

They are going to do a CHAZ or Capitol Hill Organized Protest

SIGNYM

Saturday, June 24, 2023 7:55 AM

An arrest warrant has been issued for Prigozhin. I posted before, I think the guy lost his marbles. He might whip up some of his Wagner forces, but he apparently doesn't have widespread support.

Oh, BTW, Moscow is not "burning".

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

SIGNYM

Saturday, June 24, 2023 9:16 AM

This is the most comprehensive article I've found so far:

Quote:
The owner of the Wagner private military group has accused Russia of bombing his camps in Ukraine — and is facing arrest on mutiny charges after urging an armed rebellion to oust the country’s defense minister in retaliation.

Yevgeny Prigozhin posted a series of video and audio recordings online in which he claimed Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu launched a rocket strike against his camp, killing “a huge number” of soldiers who were fighting on Russia’s behalf in its war against Ukraine.

Earlier on Friday, he accused Shoigu of leading Russia into war under false pretenses, the Wall Street Journal reported, as the months-long war of words between the two edges on open conflict.

Prigozhin said his mercenaries would now punish Shoigu in an armed rebellion and urged the army not to offer resistance.

“The evil that the military leadership of the country brings forward must be stopped. They have forgotten the word ‘justice,’ and we will return it,” Prigozhin said in an audio recording posted on Wagner’s social media Friday, according to the Journal.

“Anyone attempting resistance will be considered a threat and immediately destroyed. This includes all the checkpoints on our path and any aircraft above our heads.”

The Ministry of Defense in Moscow has denied his claims about the attack. The National Anti-Terrorism Committee, which is part of the Federal Security Services, or FSB, has opened a criminal investigation into Prigozhin on charges of inciting an armed rebellion, state media reported.

Russian generals accused the outspoken Prigozhin of attempting to mount an armed coup against President Vladimir Putin, according to the New York Times.

Russia deployed armored vehicles into the streets of Moscow and the southern city of Rostov-on-Don, near the Ukrainian front lines in the area where Prigozhin’s troops were deployed in response, the Times reported. There have been no reports of any fighting in the streets.

This was supposed to be a march of Wagner forces on ...Moscow?... thru Rostov on Don, if I understand correctly. Not any sort of spontaneous uprising.

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“This is not a military coup, but a march of justice,” Prigozhin declared.

The state news agency Tass said Putin is aware of the situation.

The FSB urged Wagner’s soldiers to arrest Prigozhin on mutiny charges and refuse to follow his “criminal and treacherous orders.” It called his statements a “stab in the back to Russian troops” and said they amounted to fomenting an armed conflict in Russia.

Russia’s chief prosecutor said the criminal investigation was justified and that an armed rebellion charge carries a penalty of up to 20 years in prison.

Since Russia launched its war in Ukraine 16 months ago, Wagner’s forces have been among the most successful even as Russia’s invasion has largely been stalled by Ukraine’s defense forces, backed by Western allies.

Wagner troops successfully took the city of Bakhmut, where some of the most grueling and bloodiest fighting of the war took place. It was the only advance made by Russia last year.

Prigozhin has been critical of Russia’s military brass since it was hired to fight, accusing leaders of incompetence and of starving his troops of weapons and ammunition. His feud with Shoigu dates back years.

His words on Friday, however, were a more direct challenge.

The Russian Defense Ministry required all military contractors to sign contracts with it before July 1, but Prigozhin refused to comply.

Prigozhin said in a statement Friday he was willing to find a compromise with the Defense Ministry, but “they have treacherously cheated us.”

“Today they carried out a rocket strike on our rear camps, and a huge number of our comrades got killed,” he said.

Prigozhin claimed that Shoigu went to the Russian military headquarters in the southern city of Rostov-on-Don personally to direct the strike on Wagner and then “cowardly” fled.

“This scum will be stopped,” he said, in reference to Shoigu. [/q

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, June 24, 2023 1:59 PM

Burning they say like the Great Fire of London or the 1906 San Francisco Earthquake and Fire

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW, Moscow is not "burning".

Honk Honk!

You must believe the 'news' of course it is burning, just its even bigger than your Great Fire of London but they are using smokeless carbon neutral burns and Trump-Pissgate is censoring and joining up with Kim Jong Rocketman to take over the world with Alt Reich Christian KKK

and it burns and BLM Antifa and the Anti-Assad jihadi were Peaceful Protests

http://64.media.tumblr.com/5f2528c856ee116bfaab703531ece02c/6b6acae3cd
29a10e-d9/s400x600/ccaa9ddfd4faf0d50cc5ff3d8e42ae653d584c9b.pnj

https://64.media.tumblr.com/31346c792fe20bbe16abcc4edbb052a3/tumblr_pu
ezamDSTb1y19fn8o1_400.pnj

Mostly Peace not acting like Marxist Jihadi - Burning Looting Murder

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As an American this is a shame I have to rely on another country for the truth about the events in my own borders yet it’s refused. Thank you guys

$1–2 billion in insured damages in the United States

https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a455-4067-b0
6a-66f9db4cea9c.html

THG

Saturday, June 24, 2023 3:51 PM

Moscow Burns is a Medifor. A figure of speech.

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THG

Saturday, June 24, 2023 4:24 PM

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SECOND

Saturday, June 24, 2023 7:44 PM

German satirical news site 'Der Postillon' is really having a field day (just like Prigozhin)

Russia submits emergency application for NATO membership

Moscow (dpo) - This step comes as a surprise: Russia's President Vladimir Putin has just submitted an emergency application for admission to the NATO military alliance. His country was spontaneously interested in joining as soon as possible.

"I've always found this principle great, that NATO countries help each other if a NATO country is suddenly attacked, for example by a mercenary force gone mad," said Putin when signing the application. "Alliance case. Great thing. We want to be there."
Furthermore, Putin appealed to the NATO countries. "We ask for a quick and unbureaucratic admission within the next twelve hours. FAST, FAST, FAST!!!"
Otherwise it might already be too late.

https://www.der-postillon.com/2023/06/russland-nato.html

https://www-der--postillon-com.translate.goog/2023/06/russland-nato.ht
ml?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Saturday, June 24, 2023 8:29 PM

BREAKING NEWS: Russian Defense Ministry announces it has killed 150,000 Wagner mercenaries, destroyed 700 Wagner tanks and captured four Yevgeny Prigozhins.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Saturday, June 24, 2023 8:43 PM

Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB

Day 485 of my 3 day war. Russia is invading Russia to free Russia from those who invaded Russia to free Russia from those who invaded Russia.

I remain a master strategist.

1:46 AM · Jun 24, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1672496377815875586

Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB

The only thing that could make this worse is if Ukraine drops the Kerch Bridge.

8:58 AM · Jun 24, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1672605235137720320

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 25, 2023 12:06 AM

It's not an uprising or a civil war or even a coup, since Prigozhin was going after shoigu, not the whole Russian government. it's being called a mutiny.

I've suspected for a while that Prigozhin was off his rocker. the one thing that Russia is being very cagey about is ... how many Wagner fighters are following him? if it's a hudred, no big deal. if it's 20,000 ... well, they're hardened urban warfare specialists.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, June 25, 2023 1:10 AM

Some Western news like BBC says https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142 Belarus helped strike the deal

he turned around and is gone back in the direction of Ukraine

lots of posts and gossip but most say he changed his mind

Wagner Chief Orders Mercenaries To Stop March On Moscow
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/wagner-chief-orders-mercenarie
s-to-stop-march-on-moscow

Prigozhin orders Wagner mercenaries to halt march on Moscow, retreat from Russia
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/prigozhin-orders-wagner-mercenaries
-to-halt-march-on-moscow-retreat-from-russia

Putin Thanks Belarus Leader, Minsk Says, After Wagner Turnaround
https://www.barrons.com/news/putin-thanks-belarus-leader-minsk-says-af
ter-wagner-turnaround-9f455459

Warlord says Wagner mercenaries have ended insurrection
https://www.ft.com/content/eb029083-ff02-4a8a-87ab-7813e5c01f11

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 25, 2023 1:21 AM

Apparently this was all about a contract that wasn't renewed...

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As Was Expected...

... the dawning of reality is in progress for the criminal and his group of accomplices that the game is up.

Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko announced on Saturday that he had arranged a deal whereby Wagner Group leader Evgeny Prigozhin will abandon his mutiny in exchange for “security guarantees” for his fighters. “Evgeny Prigozhin accepted the proposal of President Alexander Lukashenko to stop the movement of armed men of Wagner in Russia and take further steps to de-escalate tension,” read a statement from Lukashenko's office. According to the statement, Lukashenko and Prigozhin held talks for the “whole day,” and “came to an agreement on the inadmissibility of unleashing a bloodbath on the territory of Russia.”

Wagner returns to its camps near Bakhmut and Soledar and the procedures of disarming and dismantling start from there. Naturally, all camps will be blocked by military. After that FSB and Investigative Committee will start work. Prigozhin, most likely, will try to escape to 404 [Ukraine] where his contacts, both GUR and MI6, are but I doubt anyone will let him. Now, what was the last straw for Prigozhin? Simple--MoD refused to extend contract with Wagner. And as I stated not for once--the real history of Bakhmut is not what you read in shitty TG channels and most media.

https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2023/06/as-was-expected.html

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, June 25, 2023 1:59 AM

'Burns'?

Ra-Ra-RasPUTIN, lover of the Russian Queen. There was a cat that really was gone
Ra-Ra-Rasputin, Russia's greatest love machine. It was a shame how he carried on

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, June 25, 2023 3:35 AM

Moskau Kazotsky Peasant Soviet Kicks

SECOND

Sunday, June 25, 2023 4:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Apparently this was all about a contract that wasn't renewed...

https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2023/06/as-was-expected.html

Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB
To show there are no hard feelings, I have asked Lukashenka to give Prigozhin an office with a view and a large window.
5:05 AM · Jun 25, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1672908792315486211

Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB
Shoigu has asked that if he is to commit suicide, would I please tell him first.
5:16 AM · Jun 25, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1672911525881823232

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, June 25, 2023 4:56 PM

Rasputin defeats Moscow become new Emperor, Burns down Russia and Steals all Nukes...

...but remember which your prediction turns out BS

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Moscow Burns is a Medifor. A figure of speech.

T

the News media will be your new guide, a faith healer

Modern news will not lie like...

The Mystic man Grigori Rasputin

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 25, 2023 7:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Moscow Burns is a Medifor. A figure of speech.

So was Peaceful Protests a Medifor too?

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

SECOND

Sunday, June 25, 2023 11:27 PM

Yevgeny Prigozhin left the southern Russian city of Rostov-on-Don late Saturday to a rapturous reception that resembled the departure of a rockstar, with crowds of men gathering around his car.

The extraordinary scenes underlined some of the broader support Prigozhin appears to enjoy among sections of the Russian population, despite Vladimir Putin calling him a traitor whom he vowed to “liquidate”.

One video showed residents in the city cheering as Prigozhin’s car stopped when one person approached. The smiling warlord, flanked by a convoy of armoured vehicles, then proceeded to shake the man’s hand.

In an abrupt about-face, Prigozhin said on Saturday evening that he had called off his troops’ march on Moscow and ordered them to move out of Rostov after reaching a deal with the Kremlin.

Earlier in the day, Prigozhin’s troops had occupied key buildings in Rostov without meeting any tangible resistance. Some residents told the Guardian that they welcomed the warlord’s arrival.

“Finally, we can welcome them home,” said Evgeny, 36, a supporter of the war who has been among those crowdfunding and ferrying goods into occupied Ukraine. “I hope he wins.”

In stark contrast, hours after Wagner troops left the city, some locals appeared to be angrily greeting the police force that took their place, shouting “traitors” and “shame!” at them.

“Putin is afraid of Prigozhin, ordinary people are clearly not,” said Andrei Kolesnikov, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center, based in Moscow. Kolesnikov said the events in Rostov indicated that Prigozhin’s populist, anti-elite persona who speaks truth to power had clearly resonated with many Russians unhappy with the foundering invasion. “There is a real interest in Prigozhin and his fighters,” he said.

It was remarkable that some residents in Rostov-on-Don were openly showing their sympathies for Prigozhin in a political climate where even the slightest forms of dissent can lead to long prison sentences, he said. “The nation longs for a change. To some, Prigozhin is a valuable alternative to Putin.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20230625133426/https://www.theguardian.com
/world/2023/jun/25/yevgeny-prigozhin-wagner-rockstar-exit-from-rostov-shows-public-support-for-traitor

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Sunday, June 25, 2023 11:33 PM

Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB

Russian intelligence has spent so long believing unarmed civilians protesting against a corrupt government are attempting a coup that we missed 25,000 armed men led by a man who spent weeks saying he would actually attempt a coup.

11:40 AM · Jun 25, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1673008381190078466

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Monday, June 26, 2023 4:01 AM

tick tock

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, June 26, 2023 4:30 AM

LOL

The coup isn't even really happening, you dumb shit.

Putin's putting on a show for dummies like you.

You've been psy-oped, bitch.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, June 26, 2023 4:42 AM

Also...

Damn, I was really looking forward to all the "peace-loving" NeoLib social muppets replacing their Ukraine flags with Wagner logos.

Make my dream come true, Ted. Just go full war machine and change your fff.net logo to the Wagner Group logo.

Here you go:

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

SIGNYM

Monday, June 26, 2023 9:30 AM

Another news item that THUGR is so very wrong about...

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, June 26, 2023 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Another news item that THUGR is so very wrong about...

To be fair to Ted, they made this "coup" a lot more believable than the January 6th production.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

SIGNYM

Monday, June 26, 2023 1:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Another news item that THUGR is so very wrong about...

To be fair to Ted, they made this "coup" a lot more believable than the January 6th production.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

Indeed

The "Russia" thing? Now THAT was an insurrection!

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

THG

Monday, June 26, 2023 9:41 PM

T

Russian forces are in the process of creating a nuclear meltdown according to Ukrainian intelligence, with the plan currently underway. The effects of the Nuclear powerplant going into a meltdown would be catastrophic, Ukraine is already preparing for the subsequent fallout from the decision being made. Ukrainian forces are also continuing to push forward and reclaim their territory across all areas.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, June 26, 2023 9:55 PM

I bet Ted's stress levels are through the roof today!

Better start digging that bunker, buddy.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

SIGNYM

Monday, June 26, 2023 11:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Russian forces are in the process of creating a nuclear meltdown according to Ukrainian intelligence

At that point, your skepticism should have kicked in. Apparently you haven't been keeping track of Kiev's record on honesty, either. It makes a much sense as Russia bombing its own pipelines when they could have simply shut off the tap and Russia destroying its own dam when they could have simply opened the floodgates.

Kiev, CIA, NATO, and our bipartisan Senate warhawks are priming you for a false flag.

BE AFRAID! BE VERY AFRAID! RUN AROUND WITH YOUR HAIR ON FIRE!

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Nuclear Falseflag on Zaporozhye NPP Heats Up + Major Wagner Updates and More

A completely coordinated campaign over the last few days has affirmed this. Not only was Budanov’s maiden speech after reappearing from his Kalibrated cranial trepanation centered on Russia’s alleged ‘mining of the ZNPP’ basement, but now several new instances of highly coordinated messaging have been released by Ukraine and its Western controllers.

In fact, since that video from days ago, he’s released a new, even more urgently threatening message...

“The 4th and 6th power units of the Zaporozhye NPP were mined by Russia,” – Kyrylo Budanov "The situation has never been as serious as it is now.
The plan of the terrorist attack at the ZNPP has been fully developed and approved. To accelerate the catastrophe, they can use technical means," Budanov stated

Now, Zelensky has made two separate videos where he plainly states that Russia is preparing a massive terrorist attack at the ZNPP plant “just like they did at the Kakhovka dam”. He goes on to sternly warn the world and charge them with the responsibility to act with utmost severity in response to this upcoming Russian attack. He specifically invokes the threat of radiation crossing the borders into other NATO countries for obvious effect.

And a day later, in coordinated fashion, Lindsay Graham threatened Russia with massive NATO retaliation should Russia use any type of “nuclear” aggravation

MORE WITH LINKS TO ORIGINAL SOURCE MATERIAL AT https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/nuclear-falseflag-on-zaporozhye-np
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

THG

Tuesday, June 27, 2023 6:52 PM

Comrade, you've spewed years of bullshit about Russia's prowess in these threads. So now it is fun watching you continue to try and convince yourself and others, how powerful Russia was and still is as it falls apart.

I don’t have to debate you about it. It’s in all the daily global news reports.

Proof my years of posting Russia was little more than a gas station with nukes, is born out of those same daily news broadcasts.

tick tock comrade, your pain is almost over. The facts at the end of the day will end your propaganda and lie telling.

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, June 27, 2023 8:09 PM

Ted is a nasty little mongoloid, isn't he?

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

SECOND

Tuesday, June 27, 2023 11:40 PM

It’s not clear why Putin “blinked,” making concessions to Prigozhin after vowing revenge on the mercenary leader.

After Belarus’ leader mediated, Putin agreed to allow his former protegee to escape to Belarus.

Commentator and author David Ignatius said that the speed with which Putin backed down suggests that his sense of vulnerability might be higher than most people realized. “Putin might have saved his regime on Saturday, but this day will be remembered as part of the unravelling of Russia as a great power — which will be Putin’s true legacy,” he wrote.

https://www.dailychatter.com/2023/06/27/pugachevshchina/

Could you imagine a US Marine Corp General shooting down at least six US Army helicopters and a plane then Biden allowing the Marine General to escape into Canada? It would be the end of Biden. The equivalent happened with Putin and Russian helicopters and a plane.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Wednesday, June 28, 2023 12:10 AM

Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB

Remember when I denied Kremlin had anything to do with Wagner? Good times.

Still admitting I funded a bunch of war criminals is not going to be an issue for International Criminal Court, is it?

11:54 AM · Jun 27, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1673736462313963535

“It’s just a fighting unit that will do anything that Putin says,” he adds.

It is a charge the Kremlin denies. In June, Putin said of military contractors in Syria: “These people risk their lives and by and large this is also a contribution in fighting terrorism … but this is not the Russian state, not the Russian army.”

But analysts say it’s inconceivable that Wagner would exist without Putin’s approval. Indeed, its training camp in Molkino in southern Russia is attached to a Russian special forces base, guarded by regular soldiers who do not welcome visitors.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2019/08/africa/putins-private-army
-car-intl/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THG

Wednesday, June 28, 2023 1:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB

Remember when I denied Kremlin had anything to do with Wagner? Good times.

Still admitting I funded a bunch of war criminals is not going to be an issue for International Criminal Court, is it?

11:54 AM · Jun 27, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1673736462313963535

“It’s just a fighting unit that will do anything that Putin says,” he adds.

It is a charge the Kremlin denies. In June, Putin said of military contractors in Syria: “These people risk their lives and by and large this is also a contribution in fighting terrorism … but this is not the Russian state, not the Russian army.”

But analysts say it’s inconceivable that Wagner would exist without Putin’s approval. Indeed, its training camp in Molkino in southern Russia is attached to a Russian special forces base, guarded by regular soldiers who do not welcome visitors.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2019/08/africa/putins-private-army
-car-intl/

Oh yeah, I remember. And so does Signym.

T

THG

Wednesday, June 28, 2023 1:38 AM

‘Don’t see why not’: China envoy on backing Ukraine’s ’91 borders

Brussels, Belgium – China’s envoy to the European Union has suggested that Beijing could back Ukraine’s aims of reclaiming its 1991 territorial integrity, which includes Crimea – the peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014.

In a recent interview with Al Jazeera and two other media outlets, when Fu Cong was asked about supporting Kyiv’s goals, which includes reclaiming other Ukrainian regions now occupied by Russia, the senior Chinese diplomat said: “I don’t see why not.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/don-t-see-why-not-china-envoy-on-
backing-ukraine-s-91-borders/ar-AA1d6iMn?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9ef6218572184fbf926859cbef20a8ef&ei=33

Of course he did. There is little sense behind pretending any longer they have Russia's back. Not after they've seen Putin can't even control his own. The diplomat knows China is going to reclaim Siberia. Hell, they have already said as much. So, backing Putins' annexing another countries land won't fly. They want others to agree Siberia was annexed from them. Giving them full rights to take it back.

Poor Putin. He's about to lose more land and resources than he tried to annex from Ukraine. Signym, this shits just too funny.

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, June 28, 2023 5:14 AM

Why do you care so much, Ted?

All of this has absolutely nothing to do with you. Never did. Never will.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

THG

Wednesday, June 28, 2023 5:25 AM

T

SECOND

Thursday, June 29, 2023 12:20 AM

Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB
In order to show I am not weak after the rebellion, I bombed a pizzeria in Kramatorsk.
3:27 PM · Jun 27, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1673790188558905345

Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB
It is a lie to say we deliberately targeted that pizza restaurant. We were in fact aiming at a kindergarten.
6:59 AM · Jun 28, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1674024688995975170

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 29, 2023 2:03 AM

Been busy so I haven't devoted much time to this, but spent some time puzzling over the source of this mutiny, its resolution, and what it all means for Russia.

I think the ultimate cause was the reliance of the Russian government on PMCs like Wagner. There are a number of constitutional and political restraints on Russia sending troops to fight foreign wars in Africa, the Mideast, and so forth. While the Russian air force was extremely active in Syria, the bulk of Russia's (fairly small) ground forces were PMCs, with a few official trainers, advisors, and intel thrown in.

The other aspect is that Putin has two sources for his support: a normalized economy and a sharp nationalist bent. However, these can be contradictory and they appeal to two that don't overlap much. He is also extremely risk averse.

Altho he's been known to take swift and decisive action (recently in Kazakhstan and earlier in Chechnya) most often he takes a squishy approach. For example, he could without a doubt bomb all American positions in Syria and clip Israel's nose over Syria... but he doesn't. He still does a dance with Erdogan. He started the SMO softly softly, so it's hard to know when he's going to go full-on Grozny on someone and when he's going to just wind things down.

The one thing I can't square is his calling Prigozhin a traitor and the next day just send him into exile. He's had to explain that recently so I think he's taken some criticism for not dealing with Prigozhin harshly. I'm still trying to figure out the about-face.

One more thing: Apparently orders came down from on high not to interfere with Prigozhin. So border guards, police, the military itself were all told to stand down. The only death was an IL-something observational plane that was shot down by Prigozhin's splinter forces with a Pantsir. They weren't supposed to have Pantsirs so Russian internal security is delving into that.

All Russian officials and semi-officials, even ones critical of the Russian military and how the SMO is being conducted (they want a more aggressive approach) were forced to choose and came down on Putin's side.
No doubt FSB is looking into anyone who may have supported the mutiny. The way to keep this from happening again is to eliminate Wagner, which is being incorporated into the Russian military by accepting Wagner forces. Prigozhin himself and his band of Merrie Men could be contracted to fight in Africa.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, June 29, 2023 2:42 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The one thing I can't square is his calling Prigozhin a traitor and the next day just send him into exile. He's had to explain that recently so I think he's taken some criticism for not dealing with Prigozhin harshly. I'm still trying to figure out the about-face.

Because the whole thing was a psyop.

If Prigozhin were really attempting an actual coup, he'd be dead right now.

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SECOND

Thursday, June 29, 2023 5:29 PM

Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB
General Surovikin has a “window of opportunity” to confess his crimes.
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1674150977513959427

Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB
Day 491 of my 3 day war. Ukraine has already liberated more territory than I captured all winter & I’ve had to start a purge of rebellious generals.

I remain a master strategist.

4:47 AM · Jun 29, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1674353899526815747

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Friday, June 30, 2023 4:01 AM

A lot of behind the scenes peeks at Prigozhin

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SIGNYM

Friday, June 30, 2023 5:02 AM

Since playback isn't working ATM..
Prigozhin,as it turns out, had been in jail for armed robber - choking and beating a woman on the street along with somebody else, and robbing her of everything including her boots.

He was a self-promoting businessman who had lucrative contracts supplying food to schools and the Russian military, as well as being part-owner of Wagner. Apparently his orders were to stay on the outskirts of Bakhmut and engage Ukrainian the periphery. But he decided to take Bakhmut, which meant that many of his fighters were killed and the Russian MoD had to divert troops to protect his flanks, planes, artillery and tanks to keep Wagner from getting slaughtered. As a result of breaking orders his contracts were being eliminated, and that's when he went ballistic.

The bad blood between him a the Russian MoD goes back to Syria, when he and a local Syrian warlord decided to cross the line of contact that Russia and USA had decided on, in order to grab some oilfields. When USA asked Russia "are those your guys?" Russuyof course said "no", so USA bombed them and Wagner lost appx a dozen men.

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THG

Friday, June 30, 2023 5:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Since playback isn't working ATM..
Prigozhin,as it turns out, had been in jail for armed robber - choking and beating a woman on the street along with somebody else, and robbing her of everything including her boots.

He was a self-promoting businessman who had lucrative contracts supplying food to schools and the Russian military, as well as being part-owner of Wagner. Apparently his orders were to stay on the outskirts of Bakhmut and engage Ukrainian the periphery. But he decided to take Bakhmut, which meant that many of his fighters were killed and the Russian MoD had to divert troops to protect his flanks, planes, artillery and tanks to keep Wagner from getting slaughtered. As a result of breaking orders his contracts were being eliminated, and that's when he went ballistic.

The bad blood between him a the Russian MoD goes back to Syria, when he and a local Syrian warlord decided to cross the line of contact that Russia and USA had decided on, in order to grab some oilfields. When USA asked Russia "are those your guys?" Russuyof course said "no", so USA bombed them and Wagner lost appx a dozen men.

THAT TIME US FORCES TORE HUNDREDS OF RUSSIAN WAGNER GROUP MERCENARIES TO PIECES IN SYRIA

Against that backdrop, Russia and the US opened up a communications hotline to avoid direct conflict with each other while supporting their proxies on opposite sides. In February 2018, after three years of gingerly avoiding a direct confrontation, the two world powers went toe to toe for the first time since the end of World War I in what came to be known as the Battle of Khasham — a roughly four-hour battle in which the mighty Russian bear (with its Syrian allies) was reduced to a whimpering pup by a much smaller force of American commandos.

As the afternoon sun began to sink over the cradle of civilization on Feb. 7, 2018, a group of US Marines and Army Special Forces soldiers watched surveillance drone feeds in disbelief as a large enemy force amassed 20 miles away near the eastern bank of the Euphrates River. The combined group of Syrian forces and Russian mercenaries from the infamous Kremlin-linked Wagner Group swelled to an estimated 500 troops by early evening. With them were 27 vehicles — including Russian T-72 tanks and armored personnel carriers.

American brass monitoring the situation at the air operations center at Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar and the Pentagon were baffled as they watched a massive enemy force positioning itself to attack a nearby outpost where about 30 US Army Rangers and Delta Force commandos from the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) were working alongside Kurdish and Arab forces. American commanders readied aircraft and ground crews, and the members of the JSOC detachment prepared to defend themselves.

The Marines and Green Berets at the mission support site 20 miles away from the JSOC outpost in Deir al-Zour in northwestern Syria prepared a quick-reaction force of about 16 troops, loading four mine-resistant vehicles with anti-tank missiles, thermal optics, food, and water.

At 8:30 p.m., as three Russian tanks moved in closer, it became clear an attack was imminent, and the quick-reaction force prepared to launch.
Fighting from their vehicles, the Green Berets and Marines engaged the rapidly diminishing enemy force. Several Marines ran much-needed ammo to the commandos’ defensive positions while combat controllers guided a second wave of lethal strikes from American aircraft. An hour after the QRF’s arrival, the remnants of the attacking force fled the field. In their wake lay between 200 and 300 dead fighters. Inside the JSOC outpost, one allied Syrian fighter was wounded, and no Americans were harmed.

n the aftermath of the slaughter, Russian state media downplayed the battle. Maria Zakharova, press secretary for the Foreign Ministry of Russia, said only five Russian contractors were killed. Reports of audio recordings purportedly featuring Russians describing the battle tell a muc

SIGNYM

Friday, June 30, 2023 11:07 PM

russian command told him to stay on his side of the line, and russian air forces/ close ground support wasn't there to protect him.

so, yep, that's what happens when you go off on your own without proper artillery/ missile/ air support like progozhin did: you get slaughtered. just like ukrainians are getting slaughered now.

i'm surprsed they didn't break off their contract with wagner right there.

fwiw, progozhin isn't any kind of military commander. he's had no military training, and putting him in charge of military decisions ...? bad idea.

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JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, June 30, 2023 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by THG:
Moscow Burns is a Medifor. A figure of speech.

So was Peaceful Protests a Medifor too?

This thread was BS, Moscow Burns WTF

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

fwiw, progozhin isn't any kind of military commander. he's had no military training, and putting him in charge of military decisions ...? bad idea.

The War in Ukraine is a disaster for both sides, Ukraine has some slight wins of late and I try to be objective and I see in reports At Least 100,000 Dead on Both sides maybe even more Russians dead. Ukraine has taken back some land but it is mostly a meat grinder.

The event has made Putin look chaotic and weaker, you also had the possibility of foreigners, islamics, the Merc type over-running Russian bases with Bio Chemical and other WMD weapons.

Some predicted Russia would fall with sanctions that was under estimating Russia's ability, some others said Ukraine would fall in four days once the line of Tanks were outside the Ukraine Capital. It's possible Putin might ride this out as other dictators have done, Russia part II is collapsing politically again just as the USSR Union of Soviets Collapsed.

Wagner might be convicts, gangsters, thugs, ex-convicts and guns for hire but they are well equipped, they knocked out a Russian aircraft, were bale to invade the South West flank of Russia, they shot helicopters out of the sky and after Bakhmut they are now battle hardened. Putin might look weaker but in the end Russian dictator tyrant culture has a chaos element and is unpredictable, the Mutiny could in the long run even Increase Putin’s Longevity.

News and Gossip and Propaganda about 'Moscow Burning' was nonsense

SIGNYM

Friday, June 30, 2023 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by THG:
Moscow Burns is a Medifor. A figure of speech.

So was Peaceful Protests a Medifor too?

This thread was BS, Moscow Burns WTF

thats THUGR, posting from an endless wellspring of bullshit and desire

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SECOND

Saturday, July 1, 2023 7:26 AM

Putin Narrowly Escapes Assassination Attempt as Russian Secret Service Thwarts Moscow Bridge Explosion

The Kremlin leader grew increasingly paranoid about being assassinated. The 70-year-old's greatest fear manifested into reality on Friday.

According to the Kremlin's security agency, Federal Protection Service (FSO) members thwarted a plan to kill Putin. The failed assassination attempt allegedly centered on an unnamed bridge that Putin and his motorcade were expected to travel over.

https://radaronline.com/p/vladimir-putin-assassination-thwarted-moscow
-bridge-explosion/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 1, 2023 7:39 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK (June 25th):
LOL

The coup isn't even really happening, you dumb shit.

Putin's putting on a show for dummies like you.

You've been psy-oped, bitch.

The Wagner 'Coup' Was Staged by Putin—and the West Fell for It

https://www.newsweek.com/wagner-coup-was-staged-putin-west-fell-it-opi
nion-1810035

Well... not everybody in the West.

I'm right again. Imagine that, huh?

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK (June 28th):
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Originally posted by SignyM:
The one thing I can't square is his calling Prigozhin a traitor and the next day just send him into exile. He's had to explain that recently so I think he's taken some criticism for not dealing with Prigozhin harshly. I'm still trying to figure out the about-face.

Because the whole thing was a psyop.

If Prigozhin were really attempting an actual coup, he'd be dead right now.

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FROM THE ARTICLE: That Prigozhin is still alive, having supposedly betrayed the Russian motherland, is inconceivable under the rule of Putin, who famously said in 2019 that "treason is the biggest crime on earth" and who hunts down traitors anywhere on the globe, including in the United States.

I wish I could describe to Ted what it's like being right all the time.

And you should all keep in mind the source here. The article was written by this chick:

Rebekah Koffler is the president of Doctrine & Strategy Consulting, a former DIA intelligence officer, and the author of "Putin's Playbook: Russia's Secret Plan to Defeat America." She also wrote the foreword for "Zelensky: The Unlikely Ukrainian Hero Who Defied Putin and United the World."

She's one of yours.

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SIGNYM

Saturday, July 1, 2023 8:23 PM

meanwhile, western press is saying

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Currently, there is widespread reporting that Gen. Sergei Surovikin, the deputy commander of the Russian forces fighting in Ukraine, has been detained in relation to the Wagner uprising. The New York Times and others days ago alleged, based on anonymous US intelligence officials, that Surovikin had foreknowledge of the Wagner rebellion, and suggested he may have even helped, in a move against Putin's grip on power.

keep this in mind. they've also 'reported' that shoigu and gerasimov have been fired, or will be fired.

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SECOND

Sunday, July 2, 2023 4:29 PM

Putin Cannibalizes the Russian Economy to Survive Personally

Amidst such undisguised plundering of the Russian economy, stripping it down for war toys, it is perhaps no surprise that Prigozhin’s failed putsch this past weekend revealed no lost love for Putin domestically from the Russian populace and elites. After all, not only did military leaders and civilians alike passively wave columns of Wagnerites through checkpoint after checkpoint on the road from Rostov to Moscow without a shred of resistance; even Putin’s own regional governors were lethargic in their response, and even now, a whopping 21 of them have yet to express any support for Putin. Ironically, the only group of Russians who rushed to Putin’s defense with any genuine enthusiasm prior to Belarusian President Lukashenko’s diplomatic intervention were brigades of Chechens who sped to Moscow and Rostov, led by Putin’s longtime ally and newly-minted selfie-pal Ramzan Kadyrov.

Historian Daniel Goldhagen’s 1996 book Hitler’s Willing Executioners reminds us that the evil of the Third Reich triumphed through the complicity of average Germans through their complacency. We now see Russians’ willing complacency with the murderous autocratic Putin.

https://time.com/6291642/putin-cannibalizes-russian-economy/

A free copy of Daniel Goldhagen’s books is available for download from the mirrors at http://libgen.is/search.php?req=Daniel+Goldhagen

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Introduction

Reconceiving Central Aspects Of The Holocaust

Captain Wolfgang Hoffmann was a zealous executioner of Jews. As the commander of one of the three companies of Police Battalion 101, he and his fellow officers led their men, who were not SS men but ordinary Germans, in the deportation and gruesome slaughter in Poland of tens of thousands of Jewish men, women, and children. Yet this same man, in the midst of his genocidal activities, once stridently disobeyed a superior order that he deemed morally objectionable.

The order commanded that members of his company sign a declaration that had been sent to them. Hoffmann began his written refusal by saying that upon reading it, he had thought that an error had been made, "because it appeared to me a piece of impertinence to demand of a decent German soldier to sign a declaration in which he obligates himself not to steal, not to plunder, and not to buy without paying...." He continued by describing how unnecessary such a demand was, since his men, of proper ideological conviction, were fully aware that such activities were punishable offenses. He also pronounced to his superiors his judgment of his men's character and actions, including, presumably, their slaughtering of Jews. He wrote that his men's adherence to German norms of morality and conduct "derives from their own free will and is not caused by a craving for advantages or fear of punishment." Hoffmann then declared defiantly: ''As an officer I regret, however, that I must set my view against that of the battalion commander and am not able to carry out the order, since I feel injured in my sense of honor. I must decline to sign a general declaration."1

Hoffmann's letter is astonishing and instructive for a number of reasons. Here is an officer who had already led his men in the genocidal slaughter of tens of thousands of Jews, yet who deemed it an effrontery that anyone might suppose that he and his men would steal food from Poles! The genocidal killer's honor was wounded, and wounded doubly, for he was both a soldier and a German. His conception of the obligations that Germans owed the "subhuman" Poles must have been immeasurably greater than those owed Jews. Hoffmann also understood his parent institution to be so tolerant that he was willing to refuse a direct order and even to record his brazen insubordination in writing. His judgment of his men—a judgment based, no doubt, on the compass of their activities, including their genocidal ones—was that they acted not out of fear of punishment, but with willing assent; the

SECOND

Sunday, July 2, 2023 4:40 PM

Xi Jinping's Schadenfreude Over the Mutiny Against Putin
Craig Singleton

In war, more things often go wrong than right. If that inconvenient truth was somehow lost on Chinese leader Xi Jinping more than 16 months into Russia’s planned two-day takeover of Ukraine, then last weekend’s rebellion and march toward Moscow by the Wagner Group surely set him straight. Indeed, while Xi often champions the ostensible novelty of the Chinese system, deep down he fears that China is afflicted by the very same ideological ills that once plagued the Soviet Union—and continue to curse its Russian remnants.

Chief among these ills, according to Xi himself, are “political corruption, ideological heresy, and military disloyalty,” all of which were on full display during last weekend’s Russian rumble.

Moscow’s short-lived mutiny, led by a wealthy, well-armed former member of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s innermost circle, represents the sum of Xi’s greatest fears about China’s post-Deng Xiaoping political framework. No doubt, Putin is Xi’s “best, most intimate friend.” But Xi has hardly been shy about criticizing Putin’s perverse preference for power sharing, whereby the Russian leader lets competing factions vie to keep each other in check. If nothing else, last weekend’s dramatic events re-affirmed Xi’s intense distrust of any form of pluralism—even within a country’s power elite—and will likely lead him to pursue ever more radical policies aimed at making the world less safe for democracy.

Generally speaking, Xi and Putin agree on most everything, with one major exception: the reason for the Soviet Union’s demise. In Xi’s estimation, the Soviet Communist Party’s rule did not collapse as a result of any specific external pressure, nor because of the structural fragility inherent in the Soviet Union’s state-directed economy. Instead, Xi asserts the “great Soviet socialist nation fell to pieces,” seemingly overnight, because its “ideals and beliefs [were] shaken.” Putin, meanwhile, has long argued economics, not ideology, led to a collapse in the Soviet Union’s social sphere. The elite infighting that followed, Putin posits, gave rise to long-term consequences in the political sphere and, eventually, the Soviet Union’s self-destruction.

Based on these differing diagnoses, Xi and Putin have pursued wildly divergent strongman strategies—the former relying on purges and purposeful political discipline, the latter on graft and growing his coterie of cronies, a group that until recently included Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin. If the failed rebellion is any indication, Xi’s initial ideological instincts were right all along.

No doubt, the seeds of Prigozhin’s short-lived mutiny were sown the moment Putin foolishly embraced paramilitaries as foreign-policy force multipliers. But the veneer of competence and control long synonymous with Putin’s 20-plus years in power truly began to crumble last month, when explosive-laden drones penetrated Russian air defenses and struck several apartment buildings in Moscow. In that moment, the Kremlin’s misadventures in Ukraine became too serious for the Russian power elite—the siloviki, such as Prigozhin—to ignore.

Now, Putin’s problems are Xi’s, too. For if the Soviet Union could implode so suddenly and unexpectedly, Xi surely realizes the same fate could befall Beijing’s junior partner.

Beijing’s near-term challenge is compounded by its limited, almost myopic, insight into Russian decision-making. That extends to accurately assessing whether long-simmering resentment and recriminations over Putin’s failed attempts to subjugate Ukraine might lead other disgruntled elites to exploit Russia’s current power vacuum. Even worse for Beijing is the begrudging realization that it is merely a bystander in Putin’s Ukraine power play—incapable of either helping Moscow win the war outright or effecting a diplomatic solution that ensures Putin, and by extension Xi, can save some much-needed face. Indeed, with prominent Chinese theorists speculating that time may no long

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 2, 2023 8:44 PM

That's some interesting fan-fic.

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SIGNYM

Sunday, July 2, 2023 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Xi Jinping's Schadenfreude Over the Mutiny Against Putin
Craig Singleton

In war, more things often go wrong than right.

except for the winner. right now, more things are going wrong for ukraine and NATO

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If that inconvenient truth was somehow lost on Chinese leader Xi Jinping more than 16 months into Russia’s planned two-day takeover of Ukraine, then last weekend’s rebellion and march toward Moscow by the Wagner Group surely set him straight. Indeed, while Xi often champions the ostensible novelty of the Chinese system, deep down he fears that China is afflicted by the very same ideological ills that once plagued the Soviet Union—and continue to curse its Russian remnants.

Chief among these ills, according to Xi himself, are “political corruption, ideological heresy, and military disloyalty,” all of which were on full display during last weekend’s Russian rumble.
russia's military is loyal, politicians weren't involved, and not sure where the ideological heresy comes in. prigozhin's mutiny was all about money ... and getting cut off from government contracts. no 'larger' story there, except the west keeps trying to invent one.

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Moscow’s short-lived mutiny, led by a wealthy, well-armed former member of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s innermost circle,
putin has met progozhin once. not bff/ 'inner circle' stuff

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represents the sum of Xi’s greatest fears about China’s post-Deng Xiaoping political framework. No doubt, Putin is Xi’s “best, most intimate friend.” But Xi has hardly been shy about criticizing Putin’s perverse preference for power sharing, whereby the Russian leader lets competing factions vie to keep each other in check.
actually, his criticism revolves around economic policy, and how much 'capitalism' can be tolerated

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If nothing else, last weekend’s dramatic events re-affirmed Xi’s intense distrust of any form of pluralism—even within a country’s power elite
hey! i thought putin was some sort of iron-gripped tyrant with total control over every person in russia. you're saying he's not??

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—and will likely lead him to pursue ever more radical policies aimed at making the world less safe for democracy.
so be afraid! be very afraid!

according to some american expats, USA is already trying to 'regime change' on china's border (Thailand, Laos, and Myanmar specifically) this is just the rationalization for those actions /snicker

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Generally speaking, Xi and Putin agree on most everything, with one major exception: the reason for the Soviet Union’s demise. In Xi’s estimation, the Soviet Communist Party’s rule did not collapse as a result of any specific external pressure, nor because of the structural fragility inherent in the Soviet Union’s state-directed economy. Instead, Xi asserts the “great Soviet socialist nation fell to pieces,” seemingly overnight, because its “ideals and beliefs [were] shaken.” Putin, meanwhile, has long argued economics, not ideology, led to a collapse in the Soviet Union’s social sphere. The elite infighting that followed, Putin posits, gave rise to long-term consequences in the political sphere and, eventually, the Soviet Union’s self-destruction.
economics

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Based on these differing diagnoses, Xi and Putin have pursued wildly divergent strongman strategies—the former relying on purges and purposeful political discipline, the latter on graft and growing his coterie of cronies,
both xi and putin have dealt with oligarchs trying to control politics. putin's situation was a bit more dire bc -for a decade- kleptocracy was russia's official policy, thanks to jeffery sachs' advice

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... a group that until recently included Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin. If the failed rebellion is any indication, Xi’s initial ideological instincts were right all along.

No doubt, the seeds of Prigozhin’s short-lived mutiny

THG

Monday, July 3, 2023 3:40 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Moscow Burns is a Medifor. A figure of speech.

So was Peaceful Protests a Medifor too?

This thread was BS, Moscow Burns WTF
thats THUGR, posting from an endless wellspring of bullshit and desire

T

WHY RUSSIANS ARE NOT ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE WAR WITH UKRAINE?

THG

Thursday, July 6, 2023 5:26 AM

T

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 6, 2023 7:04 AM

THUGR'S wishful thinking.

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SECOND

Tuesday, July 11, 2023 6:42 PM

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/07/10/russia-putin-prigozhin-wagner-ukr
aine-nuclear-weapons/

Russia-Ukraine War: Prigozhin's Failed Coup Was a Blessing in Disguise

By Christopher Clary, an assistant professor of political science at SUNY Albany, and Joshua Shifrinson, an associate professor at the University of Maryland School of Public Policy.

July 10, 2023, 2:52 PM

When the Wagner Group’s rebellion against the Kremlin unraveled, many commentators welcomed the prospect of Russian unrest and potential regime change as a way of complicating Russia’s war in Ukraine. In reality, however, the United States likely dodged a bullet when this uprising failed to topple Russian President Vladimir Putin. Though a weakened Russia might struggle to sustain its operations in Ukraine, political turmoil in a nuclear-armed state has historically given Washington good cause for hand-wringing, sparking fears about the stability and security of foreign nuclear arsenals. And even though Russia takes considerable steps to secure that arsenal in peacetime, the sheer size of its nuclear weapon and fissile material stockpile leaves it open to major risks. The Wagner Group crisis may be in the rear-view mirror for now, but as Washington contemplates future challenges to Putin’s authority, it ought to tread carefully. Russian political turmoil might be good for Ukraine today but awful for other U.S. priorities in the near and distant future.

Political instability in nuclear-armed states is more common than one might think. Of the 10 states that have developed a nuclear weapon, seven—France, China, the Soviet Union, South Africa, North Korea, Pakistan, and India—have experienced serious political turmoil in the form of coups or coup attempts, regime changes, civil wars, or other forms of widespread domestic instability. Lest anyone in Washington be too quick to judge others, the recent record of political stability in the United States is far from exemplary.

Domestic instability in nuclear states tends to scare foreign governments—and for good reason. In the nuclear age, no one wants ambiguity over who has authority over decisions to use or deploy nuclear weapons. Most states have announced publicly who has this authority in peacetime and crisis conditions, but domestic instability can render these procedures irrelevant, leading insiders and outsiders to fear the worst.

The canonical example is the Soviet Union. As Soviet political authority imploded in the early 1990s, punctuated by the August 1991 coup attempt against President Mikhail Gorbachev, there were pervasive fears that Soviet nuclear command and control procedures would unravel in chaotic fashion and undermine the U.S. ability to assess Soviet nuclear behavior. Following the collapse of the Soviet state in December 1991, Soviet nuclear weapons and material were scattered across four newly independent states—Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, and Ukraine—leaving U.S. policymakers scrambling to make sense of nuclear decision-making in a fluid security environment and to develop diplomatic, military, and economic tools to minimize the risk of crises.

Even when events threaten to topple an adversary, foreign-policy makers tend to worry that a replacement might be even worse than the leader or regime they know. For example, despite having started the Korean War in 1950 and fighting against the United States, when North Korean leader Kim Il Sung died in 1994, many U.S. officials feared his successor, Kim Jong Il, would be worse. William Perry, then the U.S. deputy defense secretary, went so far as to argue that before the elder Kim’s death, a primary goal of U.S. policy was to prevent North Korea from developing a nuclear arsenal in case a power transition turned violent. “This is a government which has clearly failed and in my opinion is going to collapse sometime in the next few years,” Perry said in 1993. “Our concern is, if it goes out with a cataclysm, we don’t want it to be a cataclysm with nuclear weapons.”

Equally disconcerting is the risk

THG

Tuesday, July 11, 2023 7:06 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

THUGR'S wishful thinking.

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Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM

True, I do like the idea of the Russian military rotting. That said, I would point out that if it’s true you live here, and if by some chance your love for Russia and hate for the United States, allowed for America to become more like the authoritarian state, Russia, then your children’s children will have to live there. I wonder if they will remember you fondly for wanting that and preaching that should be Americas' future? It's my guess they would not.

T

THG

Tuesday, July 18, 2023 7:51 AM

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THG

Tuesday, July 25, 2023 9:09 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's not an uprising or a civil war or even a coup, since Prigozhin was going after shoigu, not the whole Russian government. it's being called a mutiny.

I've suspected for a while that Prigozhin was off his rocker. the one thing that Russia is being very cagey about is ... how many Wagner fighters are following him? if it's a hudred, no big deal. if it's 20,000 ... well, they're hardened urban warfare specialists.

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JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, August 23, 2023 11:27 PM

Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin feared dead as his private jet crashes in flames soon after takeoff in Russia

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23606429/wagner-boss-yevgeny-prigozhin-f
eared-dead-crash/

Yevgeny Prigozhin dies in plane crash

https://www.ft.com/content/812c9da3-80f2-4fe1-8fad-0b4441d1977a

THG

Thursday, August 24, 2023 12:17 AM

Wow if true. It isn't like we didn't see that coming though.

T

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, August 31, 2023 5:53 PM

Prigozhin's right-hand man in Wagner buried quietly near Moscow

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/prigozhins-hand-man-wagner-buried-112626379.
html

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:

It isn't like we didn't see that coming though.

You didnt see it coming, instead you parroted nonsense on the news and said Moscow would burn to the ground and Putin killed

Remember your Taliban fleeting moment of victory prediction as they were over running Kabul?

THG

Saturday, October 14, 2023 4:18 AM

Anybody hear anything new?

Too funny...

T

SIGNYM

Saturday, October 14, 2023 4:41 AM

Omg!!! Moscow was burned to the ground!!! Putin is dead!!!

*****

Too funny, indeed!

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, March 23, 2024 6:25 PM

not a 'Coup' but 'Terror'

a similar event 911 style attacks, Beslan school massacre, Moscow theater siege, Madrid train bombings, 2005 London bombings, November 2015 Paris attack, the March 2016 Brussels bombings, 2014 shootings at Parliament Hill, Ottawa Canada, 2008 India Mumbai attacks 1993 Bombay Mumbai bombings and the May 2017 Manchester Arena bombing Boston bombing etc

Suspects arrested after Moscow concert hall attack leaves at least 115 dead; ISIS claims responsibility
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/moscow-concert-hall-crocus-russia-attack-
islamic-state-isis/

the USA said it had warned Russia / Putin that it had gathered info an islamist attack was incoming

(NSFW) Gunmen Storm Moscow Concert Hall
https://funker530.com/video/nsfw-gunmen-storm-moscow-concert-hall/

New Footage From The Crocus Concert Hall In Moscow Shows The Carnage And Chaos During Last Night's Terror Attack
https://vidmax.com/video/226893-new-footage-from-the-crocus-concert-ha
ll-in-moscow-shows-the-carnage-and-chaos-during-last-night-s-terror-attack

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, August 13, 2024 5:48 PM

More Russians are urged to flee Ukraine's cross-border attack as the Kremlin scrambles to respond
https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-russians-urged-flee-ukraines-092413307
.html

Top Ukrainian commander says his forces now control 1,000 square kilometers of Russia's Kursk region
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-incursion-kursk-afa42b96
13323901bef07800ac2cae9e

THG

Tuesday, August 13, 2024 8:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Omg!!! Moscow was burned to the ground!!! Putin is dead!!!

*****

Too funny, indeed!

Funny is right. You hide here and play ignorant to the Plight of Putin and Russia. I post updates and you avoid them like the plague. No matter, facts are facts. It's not important how your ignorance plays out here. The world knows better.

Putin used to control the army and the FSB. Now the FSB controls the army. And, Ukraine has in one week, taken over three hundred miles of Russian territory.

This war was to be won and done in 72 hours. After all, Ukraine was up against, as you have told us so often, superhuman Russia.

Oops...

T

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, August 15, 2024 5:05 PM

Some now say Ukraine has better Drones than the USA itself?

Why the U.S. Military Needs to Imitate Ukraine’s Drone Force
https://time.com/7010426/us-military-drone-force/

Putin Seeking to Find Out 'How and Why He Was Deceived' over Kursk
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-kursk-ukraine-incursion-dyumin-1938977

THG

Wednesday, August 21, 2024 8:53 PM

T

'Noose tightens' on Putin as Kursk resupply bridges destroyed | Col. Hamish De Bretton-Gordon

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, August 23, 2024 4:47 AM

Ukraine is not winning, cities are destroyed, thousands upon hundreds of thousands dead on both sides but what is changing is Ukraine has pushed the front lines into Russian land deep into the territory of Russia however it seems Russia might also start to strike hard on Ukraine.

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, August 26, 2024 4:47 PM

Ukraine invades gains land inside Russia

Vladimir Solovyov is concerned about Telegram

for some reason idiot Putin went to Chechen area to kiss those jihadi islamo texts

Putin unleashes hell: Russia pounds Ukraine in 'one of the biggest rocket salvos of the war'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13779759/Putin-unleashes-hell
-Russia-pounds-Ukraine-biggest-rocket-salvos-war-Kyiv-cities-wave-strikes.html

THG

Monday, August 26, 2024 7:21 PM

Yet comrade signym never wavers in her quest to have everyone believe Russia is the best country on earth. Way too funny...

T

Putin's Last Days | And Other World News As Seen From Russia

SIGNYM

Monday, August 26, 2024 9:19 PM

This guy doesn't post from Russia, comrade.

Since you're Russian, you should know.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

THG

Thursday, August 29, 2024 12:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

This guy doesn't post from Russia, comrade.

Since you're Russian, you should know.

For years I have been bashing Russia and you have been defending it. Let us test that. Repeat after me. Putin loves sucking dick but not as much as taking it up his ass.

T

Russia's Largest Oil Refinery Exploded! | Gas Shortages Are Expected

SIGNYM

Thursday, August 29, 2024 1:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

This guy doesn't post from Russia, comrade. Since you're Russian, you should know.

THUGR: For years I have been ~~bashing Russia~~ posting nonsense. Example: Putin loves sucking dick but not as much as taking it up his ass.

Look at the title of your thread:

Quote:
Moscow Burns / Coup In Progress

It was nonsense then, and nonsense now.

Just bc you repeat nonsense doesn't mean I should.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

THG

Friday, August 30, 2024 2:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

This guy doesn't post from Russia, comrade. Since you're Russian, you should know.

THUGR: For years I have been bashing Putin, Russia. You have been defending him. So, repeat after me comrade. Putin loves sucking dick but not as much as taking it up his ass.

Look at the title of your thread:
Quote:
Moscow Burns / Coup In Progress

It was nonsense then, and nonsense now.

Just bc you repeat nonsense doesn't mean I should.

First, again you've proved your trolling by altering my posts; too funny loser.

For years I have been bashing Russia, you have been defending it. I'll ask again comrade; repeat after me. Putin loves sucking dick but not as much as taking it up his ass.

T

Splits emerge in Kremlin as Putin ally sidelined in Kursk defense command

SIGNYM

Friday, August 30, 2024 3:09 AM

I ask you, again: Why should I repeat your nonsense?
And me refusing to repeat your nonsense ... what does that prove, except I'm smart and you're stupid?

In your "Kamala for President" thread, I've asked you repeatedly to explain why Kamala should be President. You still haven't made a cogent argument. All you can do is name-call and blather about Trump.

Apparently, you're completely unfamiliar with the process of "thinking"!

No wonder you're wrong all the time!

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, September 10, 2024 5:32 PM

Ukraine hits MOSCOW in huge drone attack, sparking apartment building blaze, wrecking dozens of homes and killing at least one woman in shock blow to Putin

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13832829/Ukraine-hits-MOSCOW-
huge-drone-attack-sparking-apartment-building-blaze-wrecking-dozens-homes-killing-one-woman-shock-blow-Putin.html

THG

Tuesday, September 10, 2024 8:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I ask you, again: Why should I repeat your nonsense?
And me refusing to repeat your nonsense ... what does that prove, except I'm smart and you're stupid?

In your "Kamala for President" thread, I've asked you repeatedly to explain why Kamala should be President. You still haven't made a cogent argument. All you can do is name-call and blather about Trump.

Apparently, you're completely unfamiliar with the process of "thinking"!

No wonder you're wrong all the time!

If signym had a moment of honesty it might look like this.

Hello, my name is Comrade Signym. So you don’t get confused let me explain my posting style. I am a Russian troll. Therefore, I post Putin's anti-American agenda by denying all truths, all facts. It's that simple.

T

SIGNYM

Tuesday, September 10, 2024 10:34 PM

THUGR, you're sputtering and name-calling. Again.

Here's an anti-Ukraine truth:

Since Kiev's army can't hit militarily relevant targets in Russia, they aim their drones at apartment buildings and grocery stores.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

THG

Wednesday, September 11, 2024 3:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

THUGR, you're sputtering and name-calling. Again.

Here's an anti-Ukraine truth:

Since Kiev's army can't hit militarily relevant targets in Russia, they aim their drones at apartment buildings and grocery stores.

A difficult number to believe of civilians have died in Ukraine. Untold amounts of civilian infrastructure have been bombed, because of being targeted. Only the end of the war will allow for those numbers to be fully realized.

Also, it's possible those structures in Russia were military in nature. Maybe military offices or housing. We'll find out, I'm sure.

You're sick to post this after blowing off all the times Ukrainian hospitals and schools have been targeted by Russia. That said, get used to it.

tick tock

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, September 11, 2024 3:34 AM

Putin will be fine.

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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, September 19, 2024 3:13 PM

Ukrainian drone attack triggers huge blasts at Russian ammo depot

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-drone-attack-russia-ammo-de
pot-toropets-tver-blasts-quake-fire-rcna171601

THG

Thursday, October 17, 2024 11:22 PM

Oh no comrade signym. Say it ain't so.

T

Russia Burns as Civil War Erupts Under Putin

THG

Thursday, April 17, 2025 1:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
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T

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, April 18, 2025 2:30 PM

This was a nonsense thread in the end

the West seems to be burning more than Moscow, despite idiot Putin's efforts to get friendly with those jihadi Mosque types
despite the blunder and foolish meat grinder of Ukraine

Paris burned and much of France burned as islamics riot, jails attacked

did we forget the George Floyd Antifa BLM riots?

London riots, fighting and looting and burning across much of England

and on the East front in Ukraine lots of shooting, missiles and burning

but Moscow not so much

THG

Wednesday, July 23, 2025 11:32 PM

If this is a nonsense thread JZ then why are you posting in it. Get the fuck out of it moron.

T

MASSIVE EXPLOSIONS ROCK MOSCOW, UNEASY CEASEFIRE IN SYRIA! Breaking War News With The Enforcer 1241

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 24, 2025 12:25 AM

Your 'coup' fizzled, THGR. Nice of JAYNZE to bring it back up as proof that your 'sources' suck ... but you still believe them.

BTW, are you even American?

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger

"Constant monitoring of behavior, emotion, and identity breeds conformity, judgment, and fear."

THG

Thursday, July 24, 2025 12:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Your 'coup' fizzled, THGR. Nice of JAYNZE to bring it back up as proof that your 'sources' suck ... but you still believe them.

BTW, are you even American?

Your post shows me you haven’t paid attention to what is posted here. Catch up, then get back to me comrade.

T

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 24, 2025 1:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Your 'coup' fizzled, THGR. Nice of JAYNZE to bring it back up as proof that your 'sources' suck ... but you still believe them.
BTW, are you even American?

Your post shows me you haven’t paid attention to what is posted here. Catch up, then get back to me comrade.

You're right, THGR. I don't waste my time on your posts, bc your "sources" are junk. "Moscow" Times? "Kiev says"? Peter Zeihan? Really?

BTW are you even American? The reason why I ask is bc you really keyed on RUSI and not 1:100,000 Americans know what RUSI is. In fact, I doubt most British civilians know what it is. I only know bc I listen to a British channel.
Are you UK military?

Well, enough time-wasting.

Peace out.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger

"Constant monitoring of behavior, emotion, and identity breeds conformity, judgment, and fear."

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 24, 2025 7:11 AM

This place is littered with Ted's trash, fake news and failed predictions.

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

THG

Thursday, July 24, 2025 7:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Your post shows me you haven’t paid attention to what is posted here. Catch up, then get back to me comrade.

You're right, THGR. I don't waste my time on your posts, bc your "sources" are junk. "Moscow" Times? "Kiev says"? Peter Zeihan? Really?

Well, enough time-wasting.

Peace out.

If you don’t check out my posts as you say, then logic suggests your responses must be nonsensical; without logic when compared to what I’ve posted.
That explains a lot. So, you come to my threads to do what then?

I’m dealing with idiots.

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 24, 2025 8:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Your post shows me you haven’t paid attention to what is posted here. Catch up, then get back to me comrade.

You're right, THGR. I don't waste my time on your posts, bc your "sources" are junk. "Moscow" Times? "Kiev says"? Peter Zeihan? Really?

Well, enough time-wasting.

Peace out.

If you don’t check out my posts as you say, then logic suggests your responses must be nonsensical

The exact opposite, actually.

We know, from many, many, many years of experience that anything you post is bullshit. Whether it was bullshit out of the gates or proven to be bullshit with time, makes no matter.

Ignoring you and others like you is the sane path in 2025. It always was, but only now is everybody else finally figuring that out.

You are finished. The world you thought you were living in 6 months ago is dead.

Either jump off a cliff and die along with it or grow the fuck up and stop being a monster spending all his time trying to bully other people online and ruin everyone else's day because you have no idea how to be happy yourself.

You are a fake ass bitch with the personality of a wet noodle who has no clue how to cope now that he can't use his media manufactured sense of morality and emotional blackmail as a cudgel to beat everyone else over the head with every day for his quick and cheap daily dose of dopamine and serotonin. You will have to find new ways to support your drug habit. Hopefully they're more constructive and less abusive than what you had going for you here before that well went bone dry on you. None of that works anymore. And it never will again. At least not in your or my lifetime it won't.

Everybody sees right through you now. You're invisible now and you've no secrets to conceal.

How does it feel?

Tell me, Ted... How does it feel?

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

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