Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Quote:. Blaming "Russians" for things that happened a century ago is as nuts as blaming "Germans" for the Holocaust or blaming "Americans" for genocide of the indigenes and slavery.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Russians killed 62 million Russians in the last century. That means the Russians are mass murderers. The Ukrainians know all about this, even if you don't, Signym. That is why the Ukrainians fight Russians.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
[some] ukrainians will keep fighting bc the USA keeps telling them to. other ukrainians are fighting on the other side.
But when we (or they) have to use WMD and start targeting masses of civilians, it's clear that we (or they) don't have support of 'the people '.
Btw- Zelenskiy cancelled elections for the foreseeable future. Hooray for democracy!
so ... whatever.
troll.
Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder since 1917 by R. J. Rummel
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https://www.amazon.com/Lethal-Politics-Soviet-Genocide-Murder-ebook/dp
/B073RQ94KF/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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So let's put those responsible on trial: the Tsar, and Lenin, and Trotsky, and Stalin....and while we're at it Hitler, Mao, and Truman, and all former American slave owners.. and Albright, Kissinger, and GWB and Hillary!
What, you say? Only Hillary and Kissinger and GWB are reachable?
Sod off, troll.
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Quote:It is a long-established pattern that Russians will murder and then follow that up with endless lies. It is absolutely no surprise that Ukrainians are fighting Russians. If the Ukrainians surrender, they will die by the millions, exactly like during Holodomor, and the Russians will deny they killed the Ukrainians. The Russians must really think they have perfected their system, but any child can see that Russians are habitual murderers.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Blaming "Russians" for things that happened a century ago is as nuts as blaming "Germans" for the Holocaust or blaming "Americans" for genocide of the indigenes and slavery.
So let's put those responsible on trial: the Tsar, and Lenin, and Trotsky, and Stalin....and while we're at it Hitler, Mao, and Truman, and all former American slave owners.. and Albright, Kissinger, and GWB and Hillary!
What, you say? Only Hillary and Kissinger and GWB are reachable?
Sod off, troll.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Holodomor
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There is "no question" that Russian President Vladimir Putin used a body double to appear at the Kremlin leader's latest public engagement in the wake of the Wagner Group armed rebellion, one expert has told Newsweek.
Following the Wagner Group of mercenaries' aborted military rebellion and advance towards Moscow on Saturday, Putin appeared before adoring crowds in the southern Russian republic of Dagestan for what the Kremlin said was a visit to discuss tourism in the region.
But footage from Putin's trip quickly reignited long-running rumors that the Kremlin leader was using a body double rather than greeting citizens himself. In clips widely circulating online on Thursday, Putin shakes hands with excited members of the public and kisses a schoolgirl on the head as she poses for a photo alongside the Russian leader.
Western journalists questioned the behavior displayed in the clips, as did prominent Russian nationalist military bloggers such as Igor Girkin.
Moscow has denied that Putin uses body doubles, with Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov dismissing reports as "yet another lie" in April. Back in 2020, Putin told state news agency Tass that he had been offered the use of stand-ins for public appearances in the early 2000s, but he "declined these body doubles." There has been no concrete proof to show Putin has used stand-ins.
However, the marked departure from Putin's observed patterns is "extraordinary," according to Matthew Wyman, a senior lecturer in politics specializing in Russia at the U.K.'s Keele University.
"There is no question that that was not Vladimir Putin," he told Newsweek on Thursday. "That was a body double."
It is "totally inconceivable" that the Russian leader would carry out an engagement in person just days after the stability of his rule was threatened by Wagner, Wyman said.
"You are not going to put yourself in any groups of unfamiliar people at all," he said.
Long-time Putin ally and head of the Wagner Group of mercenaries, Yevgeny Prigozhin, led an advance towards Moscow after his fighters seized control of the southern Russian city of Rostov-on-Don. Although his fighters abruptly stopped more than 100 miles from the capital, Western politicians and analysts said Saturday's events showed "cracks" in the Kremlin's leadership.
Wyman pointed to marked differences in Putin's demeanor compared with previous outings.
"In all sorts of ways, Putin just does not act like that," he said, adding his body language in the clips coming out of Dagestan do not match up to the past behaviors of a "man who does not show emotion publicly."
There were some observable changes to his behavior, particularly his "openness when it comes to dealing with the crowd," agreed Marina Miron, a post-doctoral researcher in the Department of War Studies at King's College London.
"This is probably the main reason why these 'double' theories started appearing," she told Newsweek on Thursday.
Putin is "highly, highly cautious about who he lets near him," Wyman added.
Multiple reports have previously said that, throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, Putin put strict quarantine measures in place to protect himself from the risk of infection. Earlier this year, a former senior Russian security officer said that the Kremlin leader "surrounds himself with an impenetrable barrier of quarantines."
"Putin is not known to let anyone close to him (since the COVID-19 pandemic), and here we see him taking selfies with normal people," Miron said.
In the footage, Putin appears "much stiffer and much more controlled in the way that he moves" than in other clips, Wyman argued.
Although he declined to discuss the specifics of how such a likeness to the Russian leader could be achieved, Wyman said the strategy around appearing in public, and in Dagestan, makes little sense.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:It is a long-established pattern that Russians will murder and then follow that up with endless lies.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Blaming "Russians" for things that happened a century ago is as nuts as blaming "Germans" for the Holocaust or blaming "Americans" for genocide of the indigenes and slavery.
So let's put those responsible on trial: the Tsar, and Lenin, and Trotsky, and Stalin....and while we're at it Hitler, Mao, and Truman, and all former American slave owners.. and Albright, Kissinger, and GWB and Hillary!
What, you say? Only Hillary and Kissinger and GWB are reachable?
Sod off, troll.
We could say the same of Americans. At least Russians kill Russians (you say). We kill EVERYBODY! Since the founding of our nation, in fact. And then we memory-hole it.
That probably explains why so many people in the world hate us. Which we also refuse to recognize.
Troll.
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Quote:Signym, you have the worst case of Whataboutism I have ever seen. It is a technique Russians habitually use to "win" every argument, at least in their own minds, but it doesn't work in reality. The Ukraine War is about Russians murdering Ukrainians. The total blame is on the Russians for what they have done to Ukrainians.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:It is a long-established pattern that Russians will murder and then follow that up with endless lies.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Blaming "Russians" for things that happened a century ago is as nuts as blaming "Germans" for the Holocaust or blaming "Americans" for genocide of the indigenes and slavery.
So let's put those responsible on trial: the Tsar, and Lenin, and Trotsky, and Stalin....and while we're at it Hitler, Mao, and Truman, and all former American slave owners.. and Albright, Kissinger, and GWB and Hillary!
What, you say? Only Hillary and Kissinger and GWB are reachable?
Sod off, troll.
We could say the same of Americans. At least Russians kill Russians (you say). We kill EVERYBODY! Since the founding of our nation, in fact. And then we memory-hole it.
That probably explains why so many people in the world hate us. Which we also refuse to recognize.
Troll.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Blaming "Russians" for things that happened a century ago is as nuts as blaming "Germans" for the Holocaust or blaming "Americans" for genocide of the indigenes and slavery.
So let's put those responsible on trial: the Tsar, and Lenin, and Trotsky, and Stalin....and while we're at it Hitler, Mao, and Truman, and all former American slave owners.. and Albright, Kissinger, and GWB and Hillary!
What, you say? Only Hillary and Kissinger and GWB are reachable?
Sod off, troll.
SECOND: It is a long-established pattern that Russians will murder and then follow that up with endless lies.
SIGNY: We could say the same of Americans. At least Russians kill Russians (you say). We kill EVERYBODY! Since the founding of our nation, in fact. And then we memory-hole it.
That probably explains why so many people in the world hate us. Which we also refuse to recognize.
Troll.
SECOND: Signym, you have the worst case of Whataboutism I have ever seen. It is a technique Russians habitually use to "win" every argument blah blah blah
Oh, and implying that I'm Russian is YOUR go-to distraction when you don't have an on-target response??
Say, don't you care about America? Don't you care about what America does, whether we're doing more harm than good, whether or not we have a solid economic, financial and social foundation? Why the hyperfocus on RUSSIA!RUSSIA? Russian history? Russian power structures? One would think that YOU'RE Russian!
Trying to distract from the ROT at the heart of America?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:It is a long-established pattern that Russians will murder and then follow that up with endless lies.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Blaming "Russians" for things that happened a century ago is as nuts as blaming "Germans" for the Holocaust or blaming "Americans" for genocide of the indigenes and slavery.
So let's put those responsible on trial: the Tsar, and Lenin, and Trotsky, and Stalin....and while we're at it Hitler, Mao, and Truman, and all former American slave owners.. and Albright, Kissinger, and GWB and Hillary!
What, you say? Only Hillary and Kissinger and GWB are reachable?
Sod off, troll.
We could say the same of Americans. At least Russians kill Russians (you say). We kill EVERYBODY! Since the founding of our nation, in fact. And then we memory-hole it.
That probably explains why so many people in the world hate us. Which we also refuse to recognize.
Troll.
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Quote:Funny how every person I know who now defends Trump was a rotten person years before Trump came along. It is a small sample of Americans, mostly East Texans, admittedly causing a statistical bias, but I think the sample suggests what part of America is rotten. If this was 1865 in East Texas, the people would be former slave owners and ex-Confederates, but I think there were strong statistics to suggest Confederates were rotten people who didn't become better once they lost a war. They were even nastier, more bitter, and less trustworthy in 1865 than in 1860. It is very much the same with Trumptards after Trump lost his election. The Trumptards get even more rotten and bitter as the years pass them by.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, and implying that anyone I'm Russian is YOUR go-to response when you don't have an on-target response??
Say, don't you care about America? Don't you care about what America does, whether we're doing more harm than good, whether or not we have a solid economic, financial and social foundation? Why the hyperfocus on RUSSIA!RUSSIA? Russian history? Russian power structures? One would think that YOU'RE Russian!
Trying to distract from the ROT at the heart of America?
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Prigozhin May Be Gone, but Not the Failings He Ranted About
The problems identified by Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, the leader of the Wagner mercenary group, did not disappear with him, military analysts say, and are likely to continue to fester, enraging troops and further lowering already sickly morale.
These include an overall lack of command and control, rigid hierarchy, corruption, tangled logistics, equipment shortages and the absence of an honest, public assessment of the war in Ukraine.
The uprising highlighted the gap between the commanders and the soldiers fighting the war, who generally endorse the idea that the army is badly run and headed for defeat.
In some ways, the problems with the war go beyond the people involved and lie within the structure and culture of the Russian military.
Reforms begun more than a decade ago were meant to create a smaller, leaner, more flexible army. It was not built to conquer a large European country, so from that perspective President Vladimir V. Putin assigned the military a task beyond its grasp, said Aleksandr Golts, a Russian military analyst.
“Russia had forces that can win a short, local conflict,” he said. “That’s it.”
But the reformers fell short of achieving greater flexibility, which requires giving decision-making power to commanders in the field. That ran up against deep-seated cultural norms, particularly a penchant for rigid, hierarchical command structure and a callousness about soldiers’ casualties that some say is a legacy of Soviet times.
The Kremlin’s response to the mutiny underscored the weaknesses in the Russian military’s command-and-control structure — its inability to react quickly to unexpected developments, and poor coordination between the military and other security services.
U.S. military officials were stunned that an armored column of Wagner forces advanced within 125 miles of Moscow. The mercenaries met no resistance on the ground, but shot down half a dozen Russian military helicopters and an Il-22 airborne command post that engaged the column.
Pentagon officials said that this reflected once again the lack of coordination between Russian air and ground forces. But the muted reaction might also have been a sign that many officers and soldiers were sympathetic to the mutineers, military analysts said.
More at https://web.archive.org/web/20230630061557/https://www.nytimes.com/202
3/06/29/world/europe/prigozhin-shoigu-gerasimov-surovikin-russia-military.html
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Quote:Who's defending Trump? I'm reacting to your constant pathological lies
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, and implying that anyone I'm Russian is YOUR go-to response when you don't have an on-target response??
Say, don't you care about America? Don't you care about what America does, whether we're doing more harm than good, whether or not we have a solid economic, financial and social foundation? Why the hyperfocus on RUSSIA!RUSSIA? Russian history? Russian power structures? One would think that YOU'RE Russian!
Trying to distract from the ROT at the heart of America?
SECOND: Funny how every person I know who now defends Trump...
Quote:I've never been a rotten person and CERTAINLY not a lying, sociopathic killer like you.
... was a rotten person years before Trump came along.
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Quote:MORE NYT BS.
Originally posted by second:
Prigozhin May Be Gone, but Not the Failings He Ranted About
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Quote:It is very simple what you have done. Signym, you have repeatedly denied or ignored that Russia murdered millions and millions of Ukrainians. That makes you rotten to the core. I can smell your decay. The stench is offensive and the fumes are choking but you can't smell yourself. Maybe you need to see an otolaryngologist?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I've never been a rotten person and CERTAINLY not a lying, sociopathic killer like you.
... was a rotten person years before Trump came along.
For people who aren't aware that Russians are mass murderers, there is a book:
Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder since 1917 by R. J. Rummel
Download the free book from http://libgen.is/search.php?req=R.+J.+Rummel
Purchase the book from https://www.amazon.com/Lethal-Politics-Soviet-Genocide-Murder-ebook/dp
/B073RQ94KF/
If reading a book is too much, there are websites about Russians and their murderous ways. Try googling Holodomor. https://www.google.com/search?q=holodomor
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Quote:Russian officials and occupation authorities are attempting to explain away the deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov claimed on June 30 that Russia placed 300 Ukrainian orphans in occupied Ukraine under the foster care of Russian families in Russia.[88] Lavrov claimed that Russia publicizes the names of Ukrainian children and claimed that any direct family member can take these children out of foster care. Lavrov added that dozens of children have been picked up from their foster families. Lavrov emphasized that these children were not adopted but placed under preliminary guardianship and claimed that of all 700,000 children who entered Russia from occupied Ukraine, only 2,000 children were orphans from Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts. Kherson Oblast Occupation Ministry of Natural Resources and Ecology announced that 18 school children from occupied Kherson Oblast went to children’s camp “We Are the Children of the Volga” in Yaroslavl Oblast, Russia. The ministry claimed that the program will last 10 days.[89]
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:MORE NYT BS.
Originally posted by second:
Prigozhin May Be Gone, but Not the Failings He Ranted About
Russian citizens are purchasing real estate in destroyed and occupied Mariupol city.[90] Russian investigative outlet Bumaga reported that Russian officials began selling real estate in Mariupol as early as May 3, 2022.[91] Some Russian real estate websites reportedly list and sell Mariupol apartments on average for three million rubles (about $33,780).
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-june-30-2023
Russia has a motive for stealing children. About a million Russians recently left Russia to avoid being drafted into this war. Several million more died from Covid. Russia is in a downward spiral, demographically, and needs more people. Ukraine has people, so why not steal some? And why not steal some real estate, too?
If you want to know how bad Russian demographics are, there is https://www.google.com/search?q=russia+demographics
Here is a cute little fact about Russia: What is the male-to-female ratio in Russia?
The Russia Gender Ratio is 86 men to 100 women (86:100) or 0.86. Russia's gender ratio is lower than the global average of 101 men to 100 women (101:100) or 1.01. Russian men are leaving Russia, either dead or alive, to avoid being Russian. Therefore Russia needs more children to compensate for deaths and emigration. That is why Russians are stealing Ukrainian children.
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Russia’s population nightmare is going to get even worse
War in Ukraine has aggravated a crisis that long predates the conflict
A DEMOGRAPHIC TRAGEDY is unfolding in Russia. Over the past three years the country has lost around 2m more people than it would ordinarily have done, as a result of war, disease and exodus. The life expectancy of Russian males aged 15 fell by almost five years, to the same level as in Haiti. The number of Russians born in April 2022 was no higher than it had been in the months of Hitler’s occupation. And because so many men of fighting age are dead or in exile, women now outnumber men by at least 10m.
War is not the sole—or even the main—cause of these troubles, but it has made them all worse. According to Western estimates, 175,000-250,000 Russian soldiers have been killed or wounded in the past year (Russia’s figures are lower). Somewhere between 500,000 and 1m mostly young, educated people have evaded the meat-grinder by fleeing abroad. Even if Russia had no other demographic problems, losing so many in such a short time would be painful. As it is, the losses of war are placing more burdens on a shrinking, ailing population. Russia may be entering a doom loop of demographic decline.
The roots of Russia’s crisis go back 30 years. The country reached peak population in 1994, with 149m people. The total has since zig-zagged downwards. It was 145m in 2021 (that figure, from the UN, excludes the 2.4m people of Crimea, which Russia seized in 2014 and incorporated into its national accounts). According to UN projections, the total could be just 120m in 50 years, if current patterns persist. That would make Russia the 15th-most-populous country in the world, down from sixth in 1995. According to Alexei Raksha, an independent demographer who used to work for the state statistics service, if you look just at peacetime years, the number of births registered in April 2022 was the lowest since the 18th century. April was a particularly cruel month, but it was a revealing glimpse of a chronic problem.
Population decline is not unique to Russia: most post-communist states have seen dips, though not like this. Their declines have been slow but also manageable. Russia’s population in recent decades has seen a precipitous slump, then a partial recovery (thanks to a period of high immigration from parts of the ex-Soviet Union and more generous child allowances after 2007), followed by a renewed fall.
According to the state statistics agency, in 2020 and 2021 combined the country’s population declined by 1.3m; deaths outstripped births by 1.7m. (The UN also shows a fall, but it is shallower.) The decline was largest among ethnic Russians, whose number, the census of 2021 said, fell by 5.4m in 2010-21. Their share of the population fell from 78% to 72%. So much for Mr Putin’s boast to be expanding the Russki mir (Russian world).
All this began before the war and reflects Russia’s appalling covid pandemic. The official death toll from the disease was 388,091, which would be relatively low; but The Economist estimates total excess deaths in 2020-23 at between 1.2m and 1.6m. That would be comparable to the number in China and the United States, which have much larger populations. Russia may have had the largest covid death toll in the world after India, and the highest mortality rate of all, with 850-1,100 deaths per 100,000 people.
If you add pandemic mortality to the casualties of war and the flight from mobilisation, Russia lost between 1.9m and 2.8m people in 2020-23 on top of its normal demographic deterioration. That would be even worse than during the disastrous early 2000s, when the population was falling by roughly half a million a year.
What might that mean for Russia’s future? Demography is not always destiny; and Russia
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OMG, this is sickening. But it is the reality of war.
This shows why the Ukrainian counteroffensive failed. It is a Bradley vehicle attempting to rescue soldiers from a shelled field thickly salted with anti- personnel mines. Most of the soldiers have bits blown off and are trying to drag themselves to safety. Towards the end of the video, one soldier, trying to rescue another, jumps from the Bradley into a hole made by an exploded mine - thinking it was safe- and trips another mine. His leg is blown off at the knee. He quickly ties a tourniquet around his thigh, drags himself back to the Bradley with a bunch of meat hanging from his knee, leaving a bloody trail.
Not for the faint of stomach. Horrible to watch, so much worse to experience.
The link won't open directly from here, but I will open from this article.
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Also, as some might have seen recently, a new video was released showing the full bore devastation and horror of AFU’s failed Zaporozhye assault on the Orekhov direction. It’s one of the more graphic videos of the war thus far, but it’s extremely enlightening in terms of how Russia’s now-famous minefields truly wreaked havoc on the elite 47th brigade. Warning, it’s brutal but shows the intractable horror of mine warfare and how even their precious M2 Bradleys couldn’t help them: Video Link.
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/video_2023-06-26_13-46-30:9
Look for video link here...
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-63023-winds-gather-before
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Quote:• The former chief rabbi of Moscow is urging Jews to leave Russia.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OMG, this is sickening. But it is the reality of war.
• Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt himself fled the country following last year's invasion of Ukraine.
• Russia on Friday labeled Goldschmidt a "foreign agent," citing his opposition to the war.
The former chief rabbi of Moscow is urging his fellow Jews to leave Russia immediately, warning that the country has fundamentally changed after the Ukraine invasion.
In a statement on Saturday, Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt, who himself fled the country in March 2022, noted that he had spent three decades supporting the Jews of Russia. But Goldschmidt, who now resides in Israel, said his coreligionists should get out too, having previously warned that they risk being scapegoated for the failure of Russia's "special military operation."
"Russia has changed its face," he said in a July 1 statement, as reported by The Jerusalem Post. "I call on the Jewish community to leave the country, before it is too late."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/jews-should-leave-russia-before-i
t-s-too-late-says-former-chief-rabbi-of-moscow/ar-AA1dkKu0
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Quote:The children Russia kidnapped (The Atlantic)
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OMG, this is sickening.
First they were spirited off to camps, or evacuated from cities under siege. Then they were made into Russians without history or provenance.
Lauren Wolfe
Jul 1, 2023
You may have read that Russia is stealing Ukraine’s children. But what you haven’t read before is an aspect I reported on for The Atlantic magazine, in a story out today. Not only are the Russians spiriting children across the border and forcing them to speak their language, but they are also erasing the tracks that would one day help reunite the kids with their Ukrainian families. The Russians are changing their names, adopting them out and preventing their promised return home — and, in the process, they’re obfuscating the fact that the children ever came from Ukraine.
From the article:
Amid the bombast of Russia’s one-year celebration of its war in Ukraine, a 15-year-old with thick, black hair and a gray hooded jacket was handed a microphone. In front of thousands of cheering people, Anya Naumenko thanked “Uncle Yuri”—a Russian soldier known as Yuri Gagarin—for saving her, her sister, and “hundreds of thousands of children in Mariupol,” the Ukrainian city that fell under heavy attack from the first day of Russia’s cross-border invasion, in February 2022.
Having recited words she’d clearly been told to memorize, Anya sheepishly turned to the adults next to her and said, “I forgot a little.”
“Anya,” said a woman in a stop-sign-red coat, quickly covering for the slipup, “don’t be shy! Go hug Uncle Yuri!”
Anya gave the soldier a one-armed side hug as the woman said to a handful of younger children onstage: “Everyone give a hug. Look! It’s the man who saved you all!”
Aired on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360, the video was followed by an interview with Nathaniel Raymond, the executive director of Yale University’s Humanitarian Research Lab.
“It’s absolutely stomach-churning,” Raymond told the CNN host. “That, for me, Anderson, that’s a hostage video.”
Forcibly removed from Ukraine, used as leverage, “reeducated,” and “Russified,” the children at the center of Russia’s agitprop are the potential victims of war crimes and crimes against humanity. They are, Raymond told me in a recent interview, “pawns in a hostile situation,” and Russia’s treatment of them, far from that of a kind savior, violates the Geneva Conventions and the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, among other instruments of international humanitarian law.
Russian authorities have gone so far as to make what appears to be an official, concerted effort to cover the tracks that may lead to the Ukrainian children’s eventual recovery. Processed into the Russian system, the children no longer go by their given names, practice the religions they were raised in, or communicate with their families. They are entered into an adoption system that takes pains to cover up their provenance, an effort that Ukrainian advocates say not only makes the children untraceable, but forms part of a larger project of cultural erasure.
To read the rest of the story, please click over to The Atlantic via https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-children-russia-kidnapped/ar-
AA1di5e6
https://chills.substack.com/p/the-children-russia-kidnapped-the
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OMG!!! HORRIBLE!
Children evacuated from a war zone!
I'll bet there's no video. Just more blah blah blah from SECOND's endless wellspring of psyops.
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I think, in the end, the real effect of Prigozhin's antics (if there is any) would be on nations that are leaning towards Russia, like Saudi Arabia or Brazil.
Like bullied kids on a playground, these nations are very sensitive to shifts in power. If a champion, or even a reasonable kid, is able to challenge the bullies, the bullied group will cautiously start to shelter under the challenger. But will be ever-alert to any indication that the challenger might fail.
Most of these nations, tho, themselves victims of destabilization, seem in fact to be reassured by the outcome. But we'll just have to wait and see what eventually shakes out.
In the meantime, the Kremliyseems happy to let its fifth column go. Some who have left regret their choice and are attemping to return. I wonder if Russia will let them back in?
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Quote:Report On Violations And Abuses Of International Humanitarian And Human Rights Law, War Crimes And Crimes Against Humanity, Related To The Forcible Transfer And/Or Deportation Of Ukrainian Children To The Russian Federation
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OMG!!! HORRIBLE!
Children evacuated from a war zone!
I'll bet there's no video. Just more blah blah blah from SECOND's endless wellspring of psyops.
https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/7/7/542751.pdf
Signym, I'd include some paragraphs from the report, but you can't even read the title because it has too many words for a Trumptard to finish reading. Even this sentence was too long for you to finish.
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The people of eastern Ukraine initially looked to the OSCE for justice, hoping that it would reveal Kiev's illegal shelling of their homes to the world. Ultimately they learned to despise the OSCE for the blind eye that it consistently turned to their suffering and death. They wound up painting OSCE GO HOME on buildings and vandalizing OSCE vehicles. I've seen the pic and videos.
What the media portrays as "objective" NGOs are usually just western policy extensions. Like the OPCW upper- up that completely reversed the investigators' field report, from saying a "gassing" had been staged (by extremists) to saying that Assad "gassed his people".
We would nwver have found out if it hadn't been for a courageous investigator who risked his career to blow the whistle.
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Fuck Ukraine.
#Rootin4Putin
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Signym, you know I check your statements. All 6 reactors are shutdown, producing no electricity.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If Russia ruins the power plant -which it controls, is in its territory, and supplies electricity to its portion of the former Ukraine - not only will it lose electricity from the Europe's largest npp, it will face a monumental cleanup of the facility itself and the surrounding area.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-asks-iaea-ensure-zaporizhz
hia-nuclear-plant-security-2023-06-23/
In a final show of contempt for Ukrainians and their property and farmlands, if Russia blows up these reactors because it lost the war, Russia will not clean this up any more than clean up the damage Russia has done elsewhere in Ukraine.
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Why in god's name would they blow up their own reactors? There's no benefit to Russia, and all cost. ZNPP may not be producing electricity today, but it can, and will, in future. Depriving yourself of a vital resource is just plain stupid. And so far, Russia has been conducting it's war and economy in a risk-aversive, methodical, professional fashion. It's the west that's been taking big gambles.
Military Summary Channel... and remember, this is a PRO Ukrainian channel... talks about the possibility of Ukraine capturing or destroying the ZNPP (and blaming it on Russia) which in his estimation sounds pretty difficult. Bc it's in "cold shutdown" he discounts the idea of causing a nuclear explosion, and says the only way anyone would think that there's a problem in the plant is the radiological meters around the plant. What he suggests the Ukrainians do is create the APPEARANCE of plant sabotage or mining, by shelling the ZNPP area with shells containing some radioactive materials, causing a spike in the monitors and creating the justification for (presumably) NATO entry into Ukraine. Remember, this is a PRO -Ukrainian channel
Begins appx 5:00
Now that's what I call naked desperation.
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Quote:The reactors aren't Russia's. And if Putin kept a tally of the cost he wouldn't be destroying Ukrainian real estate. Instead, he'd be hitting very different targets. I could tell you that I know how to fight a war, but you wouldn't believe me. I'll keep it simple: this is NOT how Russia should fight a war if Putin and his MoD knew what they were doing. And the Ukrainians? When they were at the War College, they were lackadaisical students. Now that they are doing it for real, it is pretty obvious to experts, but not themselves, what they are doing wrong. It is the battle of Dumb vs Dumber, Ukraine vs Russia. The Ukrainians have had 10 years to figure out and then build or buy what they need to destroy the Kursk Bridge, but the bridge is still open. How dumb can the Ukrainians be? And the drones Ukraine allegedly sent in vain to Moscow? If the Ukrainians actually did it, it was utterly inane of them. Do the Ukrainians have no smarter ideas than the Russians do about what to target?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Why in god's name would they blow up their own reactors? There's no benefit to Russia, and all cost. ZNPP may not be producing electricity today, but it can, and will, in future. Depriving yourself of a vital resource is just plain stupid. And so far, Russia has been conducting it's war and economy in a risk-aversive, methodical, professional fashion. It's the west that's been taking big gambles.
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Grueling Combat Ahead in Ukrainian Counteroffensive
Expecting a quick retreat, a volunteer Ukrainian unit instead faced two days of tough resistance from dug-in Russian forces.
July 2, 2023Updated 5:34 a.m. ET
The Ukrainian soldiers thought the Russians would quickly retreat from Neskuchne, a tiny village in southern Ukraine, especially after a concerted artillery barrage and a rocket strike on their headquarters.
Instead, the Russians dug in, fighting for two days before giving up the village last month, leaving their dead decaying on the roadside and piles of expended ammunition around their makeshift defenses.
The Russian defeat, on June 9, was Ukraine’s first win in a prolonged counteroffensive that is well into its fourth week but moving at a slower pace than expected. In that respect, the battle for Neskuchne served as an early warning that Kyiv’s and the Western allies’ hopes for a quick victory were unrealistic and that every mile of their drive into Russian-occupied territory would be grueling and contested.
The dayslong battle was fought largely by a contingent of volunteer fighters who attacked on foot, not by the large, NATO-trained brigades equipped with Western tanks and armored troop transports that military analysts thought would lead the long-awaited advance.
Soldiers who described the fighting, along with visual evidence of the battle still scattered around Neskuchne two weeks after it ended, made clear that Ukraine’s success had hinged on ingenuity that helped catch the Russian forces off guard.
In the days after Neskuchne’s “liberation,” which was announced on June 10, Ukrainian forces have managed to retake several villages farther south. But since that early string of victories, Ukraine’s offensive has been slow. Ukrainian forces have been mired by staunch Russian defenses, mounting casualties and field after field of land mines.
The battle for Neskuchne pitted about 70 Ukrainian troops from the 129th Territorial Defense Brigade against roughly 150 Russian soldiers from the 60th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade, as well as a contingent of Russian inmates-turned-soldiers known as the Storm Z unit.
“We had to liberate house after house,” said Valeriy, a soldier from the 129th brigade, who took part in the fighting and, like others in this article, is being identified only by his first name for safety reasons. “At the beginning of the counteroffensive, we thought there were no more than 20 of them.”
Neskuchne, a village of some 500 people, had been occupied by the Russians since the early months of the war, leaving ample time for Moscow’s forces there to dig in. The terrain around the village — a gradual rise to the west and the Mokri Yaly River to the east — meant that Neskuchne acted as a gateway to a string of villages to the south. In short: There was only one way in, and one way out.
The Russians knew this, and they expected that a Ukrainian advance into the village would be supported by tanks and other heavy equipment down its main, north-south road. Ukrainian soldiers who took part in the battle said that the Russian defenses had consisted of anti-tank mines and stockpiles of anti-tank missiles, some of which still remained in the Russian headquarters that was seen by The New York Times.
But the attack, at least in its early stages, did not incorporate “combined arms,” or the NATO military strategy of coordinating artillery fire with troop and tank movements that is often cited by Western military analysts and U.S. officials as critical to Ukraine’s counteroffensive success.
Instead of using tanks, which could easily be seen from the air or heard on the ground, the Ukrainians entered the village quietly, on foot and in small groups of infantry, after a World War I-style artillery bombardment.
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I could tell you that I know how to fight a war, but you wouldn't believe me.
It's true, Sigs. Second has logged over 10,000 hours playing World of Warcraft.
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Quote:ATM they are, and they will continue to be until/unless NATO can take them back.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Why in god's name would they blow up their own reactors? There's no benefit to Russia, and all cost. ZNPP may not be producing electricity today, but it can, and will, in future. Depriving yourself of a vital resource is just plain stupid. And so far, Russia has been conducting it's war and economy in a risk-aversive, methodical, professional fashion. It's the west that's been taking big gambles.
SECOND; The reactors aren't Russia's.
Quote:Big misunderstanding on your part: He IS hitting different targets. For the most part, he's hitting ammo, weapons, and fuel depots, substations serving electric train routes, command centers and troop concentrations. Not water purification plants, electricity generating stations, canals, dams, gas and oil pipelines (I leave that to Ukraine and the USA) and civilian centers (unless they house weaponry, which Ukies also do), etc.
If Putin kept a tally of the cost he wouldn't be destroying Ukrainian real estate. Instead, he'd be hitting very different targets.
Quote:Yes, the sum total of your precious "advice" is: take aim before pulling the trigger, and kill more of them without getting killed yourself.
I could tell you that I know how to fight a war, but you wouldn't believe me.
That is exactly what Russia is doing and why Ukraine is losing the war.
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If your country is not full of stupidity, millions of citizens won’t die early. But Russians, Mainland Chinese, and Trumptards don’t understand how stupidly they have run their lives and only early death will be a reminder. Go buy yourself a carton of cigarettes and enjoy, 6ix.
Death toll of World War II
Soviet Union 27,000,000
China 20,000,000
Germany 7,400,000
US 419,400
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
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Russians learned nothing from the enormous death tolls in the past:
Russia’s Medvedev says Ukraine conflict could last ‘decades,’ talks odds of nuclear threat
Dmitry Medvedev, Russia’s former president who retains close ties with the Kremlin, on Monday said that continued Western support for Ukraine makes the prospect of a nuclear war “quite probable.”
Writing in an article for Russia’s state-owned Rossiskaya Gazeta newspaper, Medvedev said that the risk of an “apocalypse” looks more likely now than during the 1962 Cuban missile, owing in part to perceived U.S. hegemony and differing views between Moscow and the West on Ukraine.
“I will note one thing that politicians of all stripes do not like to admit: such an Apocalypse is not only possible, but also quite probable,” he said, according to a Google translation.
Medvedev, now head of Russia’s Security Council, also said that Moscow remains committed to preventing Ukraine from joining NATO, and added that the conflict could endure for decades as a result.
“Our goal is simple — to eliminate the threat of Ukraine’s membership in NATO. And we will achieve it,” Medvedev said.
“You don’t have to be a visionary to understand that the confrontation phase will be very long. The standoff will last decades,” he added.
— Karen Gilchrist
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/03/ukraine-war-live-updates-latest-news-o
n-russia-and-the-war-in-ukraine.html
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Quote:Signym, you have very strange and confused ideas about what ownership means and who is fighting, but then most Russians and Trumptards do which is why neither prospers in comparison to those who hold diametrically opposite ideas.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:ATM they are, and they will continue to be until/unless NATO can take them back.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Why in god's name would they blow up their own reactors? There's no benefit to Russia, and all cost. ZNPP may not be producing electricity today, but it can, and will, in future. Depriving yourself of a vital resource is just plain stupid. And so far, Russia has been conducting it's war and economy in a risk-aversive, methodical, professional fashion. It's the west that's been taking big gambles.
SECOND; The reactors aren't Russia's.
Russian Security Council Deputy Chairperson Dmitry Medvedev published an essay that reamplified inflammatory Russian rhetoric towards Ukraine and the West, likely to undermine support for Ukraine at the upcoming NATO summit.[12] Medvedev’s July 3 essay paints his usual alarmist rhetoric in new colors; he again portrayed the war in Ukraine as part of a broader existential conflict against the West, restated many of Putin’s extreme pre-war demands that transcended Ukraine, and implied that Russia is prepared to engage in this broader conflict for “decades” if these demands are not met.[13] Medvedev claimed that “armageddon” is “probable” if the West does not agree to negotiate a new world order with Russia, absurdly claiming that the nuclear “taboo” is broken (presumably by the US use of atomic weapons in 1945--it is otherwise entirely unclear to what he might be referring) to falsely imply that nuclear war is a certainty.[14] Medvedev attempted to portray Russia as connected to partners outside of the West despite Western sanctions, and that states not aligned with the West actively stand against it. Medvedev’s essay is consistent with his and other senior Kremlin officials’ prior attempts to scare Western states, organizations, and media prior to significant international discussions about military, political, and economic support for Ukraine and its effort to liberate Russian-held territories.[15] Medvedev’s essay is a restatement of existing Russian narratives and does not represent a true inflection in Russian political, military, or nuclear rhetoric.[16]
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-july-3-2023
https://rg-ru.translate.goog/2023/07/02/epoha-protivostoianiia.html?fb
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Signym, you have very strange and confused ideas about what ownership means and who is fighting, but then most Russians and Trumptards do which is why neither prospers in comparison to those who hold diametrically opposite ideas.
You keep saying that, but who's the one who's got to go to work today to keep paying the bank interest for all the shit he doesn't own and didn't need?
Oh. Today is a holiday that you might have off. I almost forgot that since I haven't worked in almost 4 years.
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OMG!!! HORRIBLE!
Children evacuated from a war zone!
I'll bet there's no video. Just more blah blah blah from SECOND's endless wellspring of psyops.
How about you don't invade your neighbor for any other reason than to steal from them? Their land and their resources. How about you allow the parents to decide whether or not their children should be moved to the country that invaded them, shit for brains?
It's obvious the Russians are stealing children to replenish their population. Hundreds of thousands of Russians are dying. Hundreds of thousands, even millions, of Russians have and are fleeing the country to avoid the war and to have a better future.
Look it up comrade. Because of Russia's' falling population they are economically doomed. And this started happening long before the war started.
Comrade signym, you have thoroughly shown yourself to be a shit. A complete and total shit. The proof of that is posted all throughout this site.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OMG!!! HORRIBLE!
Children evacuated from a war zone!
I'll bet there's no video. Just more blah blah blah from SECOND's endless wellspring of psyops.
How about you allow the parents to decide whether or not their children should be moved to the country that invaded them?
How about you let parents decide whether or not their children should be reading porn books in school in 3rd grade and have gender reassignment surgery, pedophile groomer Ted.
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You cannot engage in truth telling by addressing facts with lies, whataboutisms, or fallacy of relative privations. Or by referring to your same topic, too address all other topics. Some here continue to do so because they are, well, stupid.
wink wink nod nod
T
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You cannot engage in truth telling by addressing facts with lies, whataboutisms, or fallacy of relative privations. Or by referring to your same topic, too address all other topics. Some here continue to do so because they are, well, stupid.
wink wink nod nod
T
You still refuse to denounce Drag Queen Story Hour or grown ass men marching down the street in assless chaps chanting "We're coming for your kids" in the "Pride" parades. Even Second reluctantly did so after being called on it enough.
So yes. This is related, Pedophile Groomer Ted.
Don't fucking talk to me about Russian or Ukrainian kids when it's clear that you don't give a shit about the kids in your own country and you will always choose to put your party line above anything else.
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Originally posted by THG:
You cannot engage in truth telling by addressing facts with lies, whataboutisms, or fallacy of relative privations. Or by referring to your same topic, too address all other topics. Some here continue to do so because they are, well, stupid.
wink wink nod nod
T
You still refuse to denounce
No, what I refuse to do is allow you to accuse me of being something I am not, then spend my time trying to convince you I am not. Or, trying to convince you that I do not believe something is good that I don’t, and never said I did.
Shit you’ve completely made up, lies. You’ve been trying to do this same thing again and again. All in an attempt to control my conversations by lying about me. It never works Jackass. All it ever accomplishes is to expose your ignorance and complete lack of class.
So, why am I responding to more of your posts? Because, everything I’ve been saying these past few years was going to happen with Trump and his cronies that you’ve been saying won’t, is happening. I’m reminding you what an ass you are, and who is always right by posting current events that prove it. I do this while you continue to crawl in the gutter.
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Quote:somebody else must be posting for you, THUGR. or else your sockpuppet persona is slipping bc, suddenly, you're a student of rhetoric?
Originally posted by THG:
You cannot engage in truth telling by addressing facts with lies, whataboutisms, or fallacy of relative privations. Or by referring to your same topic, too address all other topics. Some here continue to do so because they are, well, stupid.
wink wink nod nod
SIX: You still refuse to denounce
THUGR: No, what I refuse to do is allow you to accuse me of being something I am not, then spend my time trying to convince you I am not. Or, trying to convince you that I do not believe something is good that I don’t, and never said I did.
Shit you’ve completely made up, lies. You’ve been trying to do this same thing again and again. All in an attempt to control my conversations by lying about me. It never works Jackass. All it ever accomplishes is to expose your ignorance and complete lack of class.
So, why am I responding to more of your posts? Because, everything I’ve been saying these past few years was going to happen with Trump and his cronies that you’ve been saying won’t, is happening. I’m reminding you what an ass you are, and who is always right by posting current events that prove it. I do this while you continue to crawl in the gutter.
the fallacy of the "fallacy of whataboutism": you PRETEND to care about morals, ethics, 'freedom', justice, righteousness, humaneness etc etc but anyone points out america's or the DNC's or the deep state's (horrific) misdeeds, you use 'whataboutism' to avoid/deny having to discuss 'your side's' moral, ethical, and inhumane failings. seeing as you posit 'your side' as moral, ethical, righteous, just, and humane, discussing YOUR side's failings is completely on-topic. so either you address 'your side's' failings or paint yourself as a mssive hypocrite. when YOU can discuss moral failings in an objective manner, i will too.
the fallacy of the fallacy of relative privation: dood, in the REAL WORLD it's ALL about 'relative privation' bc not all privations are equal. having no food or water or shelter is, in reality, more important than not having the latest style footware. not being killed wantonly (LIFE) is more important than freedom (LIFE, liberty, and pursuit of happiness). don't bring up this 'fallacy' again bc it's fallacious
ad hominem: 'what I refuse to do is allow you to accuse me of being something I am not' is generally called LIBEL. and it is a CRIME, and yet, you do it ALL THE TIME. 'COMRADE'
you don't like being treated the same? OH, TOO BAD! maybe i should start doing the same. eh, pervert?calling someone a liar: if you look up LIBEL, you'll see it's a specific form of lie. now, you may in your heart deeply 'believe' something to be true, but if there is no proof, you will, in a court of law, be found GUILTY. so, like everything else you post, and think, you might wanna be sure of your evidence b4 you start slinging accusations around bc in the REAL WORLD of real consequences, your 'beliefs'.no matter how strongly felt, don't count
so, show this to your older brother, or whoever is posting for you, and they can 'splain to you how false accusations can get you in trouble.
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Originally posted by THG:
You cannot engage in truth telling by addressing facts with lies, whataboutisms, or fallacy of relative privations. Or by referring to your same topic, too address all other topics. Some here continue to do so because they are, well, stupid.
wink wink nod nod
T
You still refuse to denounce
No, what I refuse to do is allow you to accuse me of being something I am not, then spend my time trying to convince you I am not. Or, trying to convince you that I do not believe something is good that I don’t, and never said I did.
Shit you’ve completely made up, lies. You’ve been trying to do this same thing again and again. All in an attempt to control my conversations by lying about me. It never works Jackass. All it ever accomplishes is to expose your ignorance and complete lack of class.
So, why am I responding to more of your posts? Because, everything I’ve been saying these past few years was going to happen with Trump and his cronies that you’ve been saying won’t, is happening. I’m reminding you what an ass you are, and who is always right by posting current events that prove it. I do this while you continue to crawl in the gutter.
T
And yet you still refuse to denounce it.
That shows us exactly who you are.
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somebody else must be posting for you, THUGR. or else your sockpuppet persona is slipping bc, suddenly, you're a student of rhetoric?
Yup. Ted has trouble on a daily basis trying to struggle to string two sentences together.
Tell us again about that medifor regarding the coal minors, Ted. OPPS!!!
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Zelenskiy: Russia may be preparing to trigger nuclear plant explosion
President cites Ukraine intelligence that Moscow has mined Zaporizhzhia nuclear station and sent away staff
Lorenzo Tondo and Luke Harding in Kyiv
Sat 1 Jul 2023 11.55 EDT
Last modified on Sat 1 Jul 2023 13.53 EDT
Russia could be ready to provoke a localised explosion at Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, Ukraine’s President Zelenskiy has said.
Zelenskiy cited Ukrainian intelligence as the source of his information and called for greater international attention to the situation at the facility, the largest nuclear plant in Europe. Since seizing it last year, Moscow has turned it into a military base from which it has bombarded Ukrainian towns across the Dnipro reservoir.
“There is a serious threat because Russia is technically ready to provoke a local explosion at the station, which could lead to a [radiation] release,” Zelenskiy told a joint news conference in Kyiv with the visiting Spanish prime minister, Pedro Sánchez.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/01/zelenskiy-warns-russia-c
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Western media is amplifying this bullshit nonstop. It's as transparent as "IRAQ! WMD! MUSHROOM CLOUD!" and "ASSAD GASSED HIS OWN PEOPLE!"
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A lot of very public lobbying ahead of the July 11 NATO summit. Ursula van DER Crazy is pumping for "step on the gas! Full steam ahead! As long as it takes!"
Meanwhile Zelenskiy & Co. are blaming failure of the counteroffensive on lack of F-16s and a cornucopia of other western weapons. At the same time, desperate to drag the USA fully into war, Kiev may attempt a nuclear false flag.
NATO nations are tapped out for relevant weapons and are scrounging for older model tanks like Leopard 1s. NATO seems to be deciding against including Ukraine, which won't be allowed at the formal meeting and can only participate in side meetings.
And NATO itself can't decide on a new head, leaving Stoltenberg in for ANOTHER year beyond the normal term.
The next week is going to be very critical for Ukraine, and they may try something desperate.
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Democrats destroyed the American electoral process and put the world through two and a half years of lockdown hell and the resulting economic downturn to remove the only man who would have kept any of this from happening.
Well done, idiots.
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Quote:I've been wringing my hands over our direction for decades, and for the most part it's gone from bad to worse. If Trump could have controlled his administration I think he would have saved us from lot of trouble.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Democrats destroyed the American electoral process and put the world through two and a half years of lockdown hell and the resulting economic downturn to remove the only man who would have kept any of this from happening.
Well done, idiots.
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Yanno, solutions to a lot of our problems are blindingly obvious, but they would clip TPTB's wings, and that -of course- would NEVER be allowed.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I've been wringing my hands over our direction for decades, and for the most part it's gone from bad to worse. If Trump could have controlled his administration I think he would have saved us from lot of trouble.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Democrats destroyed the American electoral process and put the world through two and a half years of lockdown hell and the resulting economic downturn to remove the only man who would have kept any of this from happening.
Well done, idiots.
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Yanno, solutions to a lot of our problems are blindingly obvious, but they would clip TPTB's wings, and that -of course- would NEVER be allowed.
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If anyone has the will to do it, it's Trump.
The real problem is that they've propagandized half of the population against him over outright lies and/or things that are trivial.
I'm honestly surprised that they haven't made Trump just disappear yet. I wouldn't think that they'd think that solution to be too gauche, or care in the slightest if they make a martyr out of him. Look what they did to Epstein and how it was covered. Ted and Second would be jerking off for months about it if it were to happen, and sadly there are a lot of mindless meatpuppets in the country who would join them in the celebrations.
I will never vote for DeSantis. The more time that passes the more time he proves himself just to be another wolf in sheep's clothing.
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Russian authorities are absolving Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin of financial responsibility for damages caused by the Wagner Group rebellion and reportedly returned significant liquid assets to Prigozhin, possibly as part of the deal negotiated between Putin, Prigozhin, and Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko. The Rostov-on-Don administration claimed that the total damages from Prigozhin’s rebellion amounted to 92.5 million rubles (roughly $1 million), and that the administration will not recover damages from Prigozhin or the Wagner Group.[21] St. Petersburg news outlet Fontanka claimed, citing internal sources, that Russian authorities returned over 10 billion rubles (roughly $111 million) in cash, five gold bars, and hundreds of thousands of US dollars in cash to Prigozhin on July 2 that authorities had seized from Prigozhin-affiliated facilities in St. Petersburg on June 24.[22] Fontanka claimed that authorities only reversed their decision to hold onto Prigozhin‘s liquid assets on July 2 but did not specify a reason for the reversal. The legal basis that Russian authorities would have had for seizing Prigozhin’s assets remains unclear in any case, as Russian authorities dropped criminal charges against Prigozhin for the rebellion.[23] A prominent Russian milblogger claimed that part of Prigozhin’s liquid assets were supposed to be compensation to the families of Russian pilots whom Wagner forces killed during the rebellion, but it is now uncertain whether Wagner will make those payments.[24] The milblogger assessed that Wagner will likely use at least part of the returned assets to support transferring Wagner Group personnel to Belarus.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
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Kiev may attempt a nuclear false flag.
This is the latest Russian propaganda. Part of a ramp up in nuclear threats from Russia this week, Medvedev also came out with some.
For everyone wondering, this is a good sign the war is not going Russia's way.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:somebody else must be posting for you, THUGR. or else your sockpuppet persona is slipping bc, suddenly, you're a student of rhetoric?
Originally posted by THG:
You cannot engage in truth telling by addressing facts with lies, whataboutisms, or fallacy of relative privations. Or by referring to your same topic, too address all other topics. Some here continue to do so because they are, well, stupid.
wink wink nod nod
SIX: You still refuse to denounce
THUGR: No, what I refuse to do is allow you to accuse me of being something I am not, then spend my time trying to convince you I am not. Or, trying to convince you that I do not believe something is good that I don’t, and never said I did.
Shit you’ve completely made up, lies. You’ve been trying to do this same thing again and again. All in an attempt to control my conversations by lying about me. It never works Jackass. All it ever accomplishes is to expose your ignorance and complete lack of class.
So, why am I responding to more of your posts? Because, everything I’ve been saying these past few years was going to happen with Trump and his cronies that you’ve been saying won’t, is happening. I’m reminding you what an ass you are, and who is always right by posting current events that prove it. I do this while you continue to crawl in the gutter.
the fallacy of the "fallacy of whataboutism": you PRETEND to care about morals, ethics, 'freedom', justice, righteousness, humaneness etc etc but anyone points out america's or the DNC's or the deep state's (horrific) misdeeds, you use 'whataboutism' to avoid/deny having to discuss 'your side's' moral, ethical, and inhumane failings. seeing as you posit 'your side' as moral, ethical, righteous, just, and humane, discussing YOUR side's failings is completely on-topic. so either you address 'your side's' failings or paint yourself as a mssive hypocrite. when YOU can discuss moral failings in an objective manner, i will too.
the fallacy of the fallacy of relative privation: dood, in the REAL WORLD it's ALL about 'relative privation' bc not all privations are equal. having no food or water or shelter is, in reality, more important than not having the latest style footware. not being killed wantonly (LIFE) is more important than freedom (LIFE, liberty, and pursuit of happiness). don't bring up this 'fallacy' again bc it's fallacious
ad hominem: 'what I refuse to do is allow you to accuse me of being something I am not' is generally called LIBEL. and it is a CRIME, and yet, you do it ALL THE TIME. 'COMRADE'
calling someone a liar: if you look up LIBEL, you'll see it's a specific form of lie. now, you may in your heart deeply 'believe' something to be true, but if there is no proof, you will, in a court of law, be found GUILTY. so, like everything else you post, and think, you might wanna be sure of your evidence b4 you start slinging accusations around bc in the REAL WORLD of real consequences, your 'beliefs'.no matter how strongly felt, don't count
so, show this to your older brother, or whoever is posting for you, and they can 'splain to you how false accusations can get you in trouble.
And we witness another of comrade signym posting tactics. Rambling subjective bullshit, and in her post here we see it in abundance.
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Russia's "special military operation" in Ukraine would end within days if the West stopped shipping weapons to the battered nation, a top Kremlin official said Wednesday.
Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev also defended the Russian military, which has struggled to gain ground since early land grabs in the 16-month war. The Russian army is "modern and heroic (despite) experiencing certain problems, like any army,'' he said.
Medvedev, Russia's former president, also made an allusion to nuclear weapons as another way to end the war. It's the second time in a week he has raised the specter of nuclear war, recently saying the invasion of Ukraine could last for decades and "quite probably" could end in nuclear war.
"Actually, any war, even a world war, can stop very fast," he said Wednesday. "Either if a peace treaty is signed or if one does what the U.S. did in 1945, when it used its nuclear weapons (at) Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They have, indeed, ended the war campaign back then, at a cost of lives of almost 300,000 civilians."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/ukraine/2023/07/05/ukraine-r
ussia-war-live-updates/70382620007/
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The rebellion in Russia by Wagner mercenaries confronted Western officials with one of their gravest fears: the possibility of political chaos and instability in the country with the world’s largest nuclear arsenal.
Anxiety over who might gain control of Russia’s weapons of mass destruction has long tempered Western hopes that President Vladimir Putin might be ousted from power. But months of nuclear posturing by Putin and other senior Russian officials, and a new debate among Moscow analysts on using a nuclear weapon on a NATO country, have raised doubts about whether Putin really provides the stability necessary to avoid an atomic Armageddon — or if he is the risk they should fear most.
Russian officials have played on the West’s nuclear fears throughout the war in an effort to undermine Western support for Ukraine and to slow weapons deliveries, a tactic that seems to have worked.
And in recent weeks the drumbeat has intensified, with some well-connected Russian strategic analysts and think tank experts openly proclaiming the “necessity” for Moscow to carry out a preemptive tactical nuclear strike on a NATO country, like Poland — to avoid defeat in the war on Ukraine and to revive Western terror of Russia’s nuclear might.
Since the Wagner rebellion, Sergei Karaganov, a former Kremlin adviser and influential Russian political scientist, has doubled down on calls for Moscow to do so. In an earlier article last month headlined, “A Difficult but Necessary Decision,” Karaganov argued the risk of a retaliatory nuclear strike on Russia, and nuclear Armageddon, “can be reduced to an absolute minimum.”
No sane American president would put the United States at risk by “sacrificing conditional Boston for conditional Poznan,” he wrote, referring to a city in Poland.
A hawkish Moscow-based military analyst, Dmitry Trenin, supported Karaganov, arguing that “an unambiguous — and no longer verbal — signal should be sent” to Washington.
“The possibility of using nuclear weapons in the current conflict should not be hidden,” he wrote in an essay, calling for the revision of Russia’s nuclear doctrine, which limits the use of nuclear weapons to cases where Russia’s existence is threatened. Both essays were published by influential Russian foreign policy think tank, the Foreign Policy Research Foundation.
Trenin lamented that Russia’s deployment of nuclear weapons in Belarus — which Putin says will be completed by year end — had caused no visible alarm in Western capitals.
Karaganov’s essays have a messianic tone that reflect Putin’s zealous view of his place in history, solving what Moscow likes to call “the Ukraine problem,” a reference to an independent, democratic nation choosing a pro-Europe path on Russian borders.
He argues nuclear weapons were invented by God to revive mankind’s fear of Armageddon, insisting, “That fear needs to be revived.” He sees Russia as “chosen by history” to destroy the “Western yoke,” and “finally free the world.”
Many Russian nuclear arms experts gasped in horror at the calls from Karaganov and Trenin. One, Ivan Timofeev, called it “extremely dangerous.”
Three experts from the Center for International Security writing in Kommersant newspaper, Alexei Arbatov, Konstantin Bogdanov and Dmitry Stefanovich, called the idea that Washington would not strike back “highly doubtful and likely erroneous.”
Then came the specter of civil war, with Wagner mercenaries rolling in a convoy toward Moscow in the most serious political chaos since 1993 when President Boris Yeltsin ordered tanks to fire on the country’s parliament to squash a rebellion by lawmakers.
As the Wagner rebellion unfolded last month, United States officials contacted Moscow to assure Putin that Prigozhin’s rebellion was an internal Russian matter, according to National Security Council spokesman John Kirby. That reassurance highlighted the worry among Western leaders that Putin, sensing a Western plot or fearing defeat, could take radical action.
The rebellion is over, but any drastic
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The Kremlin has denied a report that the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, had personally warned his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, against using nuclear weapons in Ukraine.
“No, I can’t confirm it,” Putin’s spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, told reporters on Wednesday when asked about a Financial Times report that said Xi delivered the message when he visited Moscow in March.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/05/kremlin-china-president-
xi-jining-vladimir-putin-nuclear-weapons-ukraine-russia
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lol @ your fear porn.
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Quote:I guess you misunderstood the part where Russians actually, really, historically murdered 4 million Ukrainians, then justified the murders by calling them Nazis. Decades pass then Russia threatened to nuke the Ukrainians if they don't surrender. The Ukrainians replied that the Russians had signed a document in 1994 to NOT nuke them. The Russians came back with a haughty reply that it was the Ukrainians who broke the agreement, that Ukrainians invaded Russia (not the other way around), and that this war is Ukraine's fault since Ukraine has always been Russia's property.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol @ your fear porn.
The Trilateral Process: The United States, Ukraine, Russia and Nuclear Weapons
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-trilateral-process-the-united-s
tates-ukraine-russia-and-nuclear-weapons/
Ukraine and weapons of mass destruction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
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Actually it was NATO's fault for trying to extend into Ukraine.
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Actually it was NATO's fault for trying to extend into Ukraine.
Yup.
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Dramatic Video Shows Russian Jets 'Harassing' US Drones Over Syria
... The US recently authorized deployment of F-22 Raptor stealth fighters in defense of US positions in the northeast of the country.
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Where we are stealing Syrian oil and acting as an aggressor. Russia is there by invitation and we aren't.
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SITREP 7/4/23: Final Hour of Zelensky's Terror Ploy
Simplicius The Thinker
Jul 4, 2023
The most exigent matter on the table is once again the brewing Zaporozhye plant showdown. It’s now believed by some that Zelensky is planning to carry out the ZNPP falseflag in the next few days on the eve of the big NATO summit in Vilnius, which is on July 12. The purpose would be to galvanize the NATO members and shape the entire policy discussion of the summit around Ukraine and the “nuclear disaster”.
For such a plan to work, the ZNPP would have to be blown well in advance to give it at least a few days lead time to shape the proper narrative of ‘fall out’ and nuclear consequences which can be used as the catalyst to bring reluctant NATO members to heel and cement their solidarity with Ukraine, as well as ideally issue some major demarche like the fabled activation of ‘Article 5’ Ukraine so breathlessly dreams about.
There’ve been a variety of developments in this direction. Firstly, a special American nuclear-sniffing plane has arrived in Europe “just in time”...
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-7423-final-hour-of-zelensky
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The only thing I sniff is a false flag.
Kiev can't actually create a nuclear emergency at the ZNPP, but they can create the appearance of an emergency by launching a Totchka2 or similar, with a warhead laced with radioactive waste.
We may be in for another "WMD! Assad gassed his own people! Quaddafi massacred his own people!" and "Gulf of Tonkin".
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Quote:Russian occupation authorities continue to restrict international monitors’ access to the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP). International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Director General Raphael Grossi reported on July 7 that IAEA monitors have gained more access at the ZNPP since July 5 but still cannot reach the roofs of the reactor buildings, where Ukrainian officials have warned Russian forces may have placed objects resembling explosive devices.[48] Grossi stated that the IAEA submitted an official request to the Russian occupation leadership of the ZNPP for access to the nuclear reactor containment unit roofs.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The only thing I sniff is a false flag.
Kiev can't actually create a nuclear emergency at the ZNPP, but they can create the appearance of an emergency by launching a Totchka2 or similar, with a warhead laced with radioactive waste.
We may be in for another "WMD! Assad gassed his own people! Quaddafi massacred his own people!" and "Gulf of Tonkin".
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-july-7-2023
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Why is the US willing to send Ukraine cluster munitions? Short answer: either give the cluster munitions to Ukraine or else dispose of the obsolete munitions by burning them.
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+does+military+dispose+of+ammunitio
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For more than a year the U.S. has dipped into its own stocks of traditional 155 howitzer munitions and sent more than 2 million rounds to Ukraine. Allies across the globe have provided hundreds of thousands more.
A 155 mm round can strike targets 15 to 20 miles (24 to 32 kilometers) away, making them a munition of choice for Ukrainian ground troops trying to hit enemy targets from a distance. Ukrainian forces are burning through thousands of rounds a day battling the Russians.
Yehor Cherniev, a member of Ukraine’s parliament, told reporters at a German Marshall Fund event in the U.S. this spring that Kyiv would likely need to fire 7,000 to 9,000 of the rounds daily in intensified counteroffensive fighting. Providing that many puts substantial pressure on U.S. and allied stocks.
The cluster bomb is an attractive option because it would help Ukraine destroy more targets with fewer rounds, and since the U.S. hasn’t used them in conflict since Iraq, it has large amounts of them in storage it can access quickly, said Ryan Brobst, a research analyst for the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.
A March 2023 letter from top House and Senate Republicans to the Biden administration said the U.S. may have as many as 3 million cluster munitions available for use, and urged the White House to send the munitions to alleviate pressure on U.S. war supplies.
“Cluster munitions are more effective than unitary artillery shells because they inflict damage over a wider area,” Brobst said. “This is important for Ukraine as they try to clear heavily fortified Russian positions.”
Tapping into the U.S. stores of cluster munitions could address Ukraine’s shell shortage and alleviate pressure on the 155 mm stockpiles in the U.S. and elsewhere, Brobst said.
More at https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-cluster-munition-war-7332fa8
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but... but... but... biden* called them a 'war crime', didn't he?
unlike russian cluster munitions which self-defuse in 24 hours, USA cluster munitions persist for a long time, littering the landscape and making normal civilian life dangerous.
sigh.
and weren't we the ones whinging about radioactive fallout, even as britain was providing depleted uranium shells?
NEVER expect the moral high ground from our fearless leaders and allies. it's all about expediency.
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yanno, the one good thing about SECOND is that i don't have to diligently scan the M$M to see what bullshit they're spewing on any particular day. all i need to do is come here to get the propaganda du jour.
russia is a gas station masquerading as a country
russia is running out of weapons
russians are slavering hordes of cannibalistic mass murderers
russia doesn't know how to fight wars
russia's economy is in tatters, tatters, i tell you!
NATO is more united than ever
russia is isolated from the 'world' economy
putin is an iron-fisted tyrant
russia needs to be 'decolonized' (i.e broken up) and absorbed
russia is committing war crimes in ukraine
russia is suffering massive casulties
ukraine is winning! endlessly winning!
russia blew up nordstream
russia blew up the nova kakhova dam
russia is going to blow up ZNPP
putin's government is cracking
this war is all about freedom and democracy
saint zelenskiy is a freedom fighter
ukraine just needs more weapons and more money!
did i miss any?
recycled ad nauseum.
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Quote:Signym, you'd have a worthy argument if both of the following were true:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
but... but... but... biden* called them a 'war crime', didn't he?
unlike russian cluster munitions which self-defuse in 24 hours, USA cluster munitions persist for a long time, littering the landscape and making normal civilian life dangerous.
sigh.
and weren't we the ones whinging about radioactive fallout, even as britain was providing depleted uranium shells?
NEVER expect the moral high ground from our fearless leaders and allies. it's all about expediency.
1) Russia was not using cluster munitions in Ukraine
2) Ukraine would be firing its cluster munitions onto Russian territory.
Ukraine will receive obsolete US cluster munitions that will be used within Ukraine. If Ukrainians fire those, then the consequences on Ukrainian children completely lie with Ukraine, not with Biden. And if Ukraine spreads depleted uranium around Ukraine, the consequences completely lie with Ukraine, not with the UK supplying the depleted uranium.
The United States announced a new military aid package for Ukraine that includes cluster munitions on July 7. The $800 million aid package includes dual-purpose improved conventional munitions (DPICMs), and more ammunition for Patriot air defense systems and HIMARS MLRS systems.[7] US Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Colin Kahl stated that the US is providing cluster munitions to Ukraine due to the “urgency of the moment” to equip Ukrainian forces with artillery ammunition to use against Russian military targets during the counteroffensive.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-assess
ment-july-8-2023
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Quote:You failed to include this reason:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
yanno, the one good thing about SECOND is that i don't have to diligently scan the M$M to see what bullshit they're spewing on any particular day. all i need to do is come here to get the propaganda du jour.
. . .
did i miss any?
recycled ad nauseum.
The Russians murdered 62 million Russians. The Russians murdered 4 million Ukrainians. The Russians invaded Ukraine. The Ukrainians feel strongly that Russians should die for that. In the meantime, for absolutely selfish reasons the US will spend a few billion dollars per month to supply ammo to Ukraine because, besides Russians being murderers, the Russians also have threatened for 70 years to invade the rest of Europe and nuke the USA and would have made those threats an actuality if the USA had not spent more than ten trillion dollars building nukes to deter the Russians from their often stated goals.
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Quote:Aside from being counterfactual, that's irrational.
originally posted by SIGNYM:
yanno, the one good thing about SECOND is that i don't have to diligently scan the M$M to see what bullshit they're spewing on any particular day. all i need to do is come here to get the propaganda du jour.
russia is a gas station masquerading as a country
russia is running out of weapons
russians are slavering hordes of cannibalistic mass murderers
russia doesn't know how to fight wars
russia's economy is in tatters, tatters, i tell you!
NATO is more united than ever
russia is isolated from the 'world' economy
putin is an iron-fisted tyrant
russia needs to be 'decolonized' (i.e broken up) and absorbed
russia is committing war crimes in ukraine
russia is suffering massive casulties
ukraine is winning! endlessly winning!
russia blew up nordstream
russia blew up the nova kakhova dam
russia is going to blow up ZNPP
putin's government is cracking
this war is all about freedom and democracy
saint zelenskiy is a freedom fighter
ukraine just needs more weapons and more money!
. . .
did i miss any?
recycled ad nauseum.
SECOND: You failed to include this reason:
The Russians murdered 62 million Russians.
counterfactual: go to any mainstream source and look up 'russian deaths under stalin' i know i did. no source that i could find had anywhere nea that number.
and where's the logic in 'russian killed 'x' number of russians so we should kill more'?
being counterfactual and irrational makes it a good propagnada point!
Quote:numbers are disputed, but true
The Russians murdered 4 million Ukrainians.
Quote:true.
The Russians invaded Ukraine.
Quote:not true. many ukrainians are fighting alongside russians
The Ukrainians feel strongly that Russians should die for that.
Quote:not true.
In the meantime, for absolutely selfish reasons the US will spend a few billion dollars per month to supply ammo to Ukraine because, besides Russians being murderers, the Russians also have threatened for 70 years to invade the rest of Europe and nuke the USA
since it doesn't matter to the west - or SECOND- whether propaganda points are true or not, i suppose they ALL make useable propaganda!
well, now i can add to that list of propaganda and not have to bother reading any more of SECOND'S posts.
just wake me up, SECOND, if you come across a new one.
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Quote:Russia killed 62 million of its own citizens.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
just wake me up, SECOND, if you come across a new one.
From the book Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder since 1917 by R. J. Rummel
Download the free book from http://libgen.is/search.php?req=R.+J.+Rummel
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1 61,911,000 Victims: Utopianism Empowered, 1917-1987
2 3,284,000 Victims: The Civil War Period, 1917-1922
3 2,200,000 Victims: The NEP Period 1923-1928
4 11,440,000 Victims: The Collectivization Period, 1929-1935
5 4,345,000 Victims: The Great Terror Period 1936-1938
6 5,104,000 Victims: Pre-World War II Period 1939-June 1941
7 13,053,000 Victims: World War II Period, June 1941-1945
8 15,613,000 Victims: Postwar and Stalin’s Twilight Period, 1945-1953
9 6,872,000 Victims: Post-Stalin Period, 1954-1987
Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder since 1917 by R. J. Rummel
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Russian sources accused Ukrainian forces of targeting the Kerch Strait Bridge on July 9. Crimean Occupation Head Sergei Aksyonov claimed that Russian air defense systems shot down a cruise missile in the Kerch area, and Crimean Occupation Ministry of Transport reportedly temporarily stopped traffic over the bridge resulting in a 3.5km to 6km traffic jam.[72] Russian milbloggers shared footage of Russian air defense systems activating but it is unclear what weapon these systems shot down.[73] A Kremlin-affiliated milblogger doubted Aksyonov’s claim about Russian forces shooting down a cruise missile, noting that Ukrainian aircraft would need to launch a missile from a dangerously close position near the frontline.[74]
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-july-9-2023
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you have a habit of quoting psychos, SECOND. publication doesn't mean it's true, or credible. just look at how many bibles are published. i looked up 'deaths under stalin' specifically, and i looked at more than one source. exclude wartime deaths (wwii wasn't started by stalin) in any tally.
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... a research paper by Georgian historian Roy Aleksandrovich Medvedev published in the weekly tabloid Argumenti i Fakti estimated that the death toll directly attributable to Stalin’s rule amounted to some 20 million lives ...
In his book, “Unnatural Deaths in the U.S.S.R.: 1928-1954,” I.G. Dyadkin estimated that the USSR suffered 56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" during that period, with 34 to 49 million directly linked to Stalin [i.e probably excluding wwii] ...British historian Norman Davies counted 50 million killed between 1924-53 [excluding wwii?]... Alexander Nikolaevich Yakovlev, a Soviet politician and historian, estimated 35 million deaths [excluding wwii?] ...
https://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kill-1111789
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yanno, the one good thing about SECOND is that i don't have to diligently scan the M$M to see what bullshit they're spewing on any particular day. all i need to do is come here to get the propaganda du jour.
russia is a gas station masquerading as a country
russia is running out of weapons
russians are slavering hordes of cannibalistic mass murderers
russia doesn't know how to fight wars
russia's economy is in tatters, tatters, i tell you!
NATO is more united than ever
russia is isolated from the 'world' economy
putin is an iron-fisted tyrant
russia needs to be 'decolonized' (i.e broken up) and absorbed
russia is committing war crimes in ukraine
russia is suffering massive casulties
ukraine is winning! endlessly winning!
russia blew up nordstream
russia blew up the nova kakhova dam
russia is going to blow up ZNPP
putin's government is cracking
this war is all about freedom and democracy
saint zelenskiy is a freedom fighter
ukraine just needs more weapons and more money!
did i miss any?
When it comes to Russia there is always more that can be negatively said. Still, Second did a good job exposing much of what is current.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Russia killed 62 million of its own citizens.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
just wake me up, SECOND, if you come across a new one.
From the book Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder since 1917 by R. J. Rummel
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1 61,911,000 Victims: Utopianism Empowered, 1917-1987
2 3,284,000 Victims: The Civil War Period, 1917-1922
3 2,200,000 Victims: The NEP Period 1923-1928
4 11,440,000 Victims: The Collectivization Period, 1929-1935
5 4,345,000 Victims: The Great Terror Period 1936-1938
6 5,104,000 Victims: Pre-World War II Period 1939-June 1941
7 13,053,000 Victims: World War II Period, June 1941-1945
8 15,613,000 Victims: Postwar and Stalin’s Twilight Period, 1945-1953
9 6,872,000 Victims: Post-Stalin Period, 1954-1987
Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder since 1917 by R. J. Rummel
Download the free book from http://libgen.is/search.php?req=R.+J.+Rummel
https://www.amazon.com/Lethal-Politics-Soviet-Genocide-Murder-ebook/dp
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Looks like sig agrees with you 2. And it's a damning account of Russia. History shows Russia is and has always been, amongst the worst of the worst. The most corrupt, bad, evil, and morally ill.
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Quote:6,872,000 Victims: Post-Stalin Period, 1954-1987
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
you have a habit of quoting . . .
With Stalin’s death, the terror was gradually alleviated, though not really ended until the 1980s under Gorbachev. Beria, Stalin’s chief enforcer and head of the KGB, was executed; many other lesser lights were purged.1
The “crimes” of the Stalin years, particularly the Great Terror (in which, be it remembered, top party members were executed) were secretly revealed by Khrushchev. As mentioned in the previous chapter, the camp population was gradually reduced and the camp regime improved in the post-Stalin 1950s. However, the death camps at Kolyma still continued into the early 1960s, when they were also subject to reform, and perhaps largely closed by the middle 1960s.2
The overall camp deathrate also was gradually reduced.3 Commissions were sent to all camps to review sentences with the authority to release prisoners. Amnesties were declared. And the average citizen gradually became more secure in what he could say and do.
But all this was relative. Freedom of thought and expression, security from arbitrary arrest and imprisonment, the right to a fair trial, are not yet guaranteed to the Soviet citizen, even under Gorbachev. For example, in April 1989 the Soviet Presidium issued a decree making it illegal to insult or discredit the government.4 Until recently, citizens who spoke out or demonstrated against the party could yet end up in labor camps, possibly to die from any of a number of causes with which the reader of Solzhenitsyn has become familiar,5 not the least of which is being beaten or confined in a punishment cell. Even in reference to the late 1960s, Solzhenitsyn wrote that camps differed from Stalin’s not in regime, but in composition—there were no longer many millions of those sentenced for political reasons, or for no reason at all.6 In fact, numerous camp inmates had written Solzhenitsyn to point out that their conditions in the middle 1960s were just as bad as under Stalin.7
Moreover, while improved, the diet still barely sustained life, especially in strict regime camps. As late as 1977, a prisoner got 2,600 calories, 2,100 on a punishment diet, and 1,300 in the strict-punishment cells. Ignoring the diet’s deficiency in vitamins and fats, in calories alone it was far below the international standard of 3,100 to 3,900 calories for a man working a very active, eight-hour day.8
In addition, something new was added for the especially important political prisoners. They often were interned in psychiatric hospitals for the insane, where they were kept under pain-inducing or mind-numbing drugs.9
As late as 1982, the American CIA claimed that there were at least 4,000,000 prisoners, including 10,000 prisoners involved in forced labor.10 But these numbers may be on the low side. In the early 1980s, a former senior member of the Supreme Soviet who was in camp for bribery calculated that Soviet prisons and camps held about 5,000,000, with an additional 2,000,000 in investigative prisons waiting for trial or review of their sentences, and another 6,000,000 not in camps or prisons but doing mild forms of forced labor.11
The 1983-87 camp population was probably 4,000,000, even possibly as high as 5,000,000, inmates. The number of political prisoners can only be guessed but was likely in five figures.12 Also, many alleged criminals were truly political prisoners (an anti-Soviet nuclear arms demonstrator may have been sentenced to five years for “hooliganism,” a person caught trying to flee the Soviet Union over border barricades may have gotten ten years for treason).
For 1987 or early 1988, the CIA estimated that there still were 4,000,000 prisoners. Yuri Orlov, the former head of the Helsinki Monitoring Group, claimed that there were 5,000,000. Moreover, there were still claims that the courts had a quota to fill for forced labor.13 And there is still a duty to work. Those not doing socially useful work, which is work legally contracted by the government o
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Quote:To "waste" means to kill. Russians have wasted Russian lives by the tens of millions. The Ukrainians are aware that Russians are wasteful. The Ukrainians fight the Russians because they know their lives will be wasted if Russians control them.
Originally posted by THG:
Looks like sig agrees with you 2. And it's a damning account of Russia. History shows Russia is and has always been, amongst the worst of the worst. The most corrupt, bad, evil, and morally ill.
T
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Quote:To "waste" means to kill. Russians have wasted Russian lives by the tens of millions. The Ukrainians are aware that Russians are wasteful. The Ukrainians fight the Russians because they know their lives will be wasted if Russians control them.
Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Looks like sig agrees with you 2. And it's a damning account of Russia. History shows Russia is and has always been, amongst the worst of the worst. The most corrupt, bad, evil, and morally ill.
T
I'm sure that is a part of it.
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Quote:There are economic and health comparisons that are easy to make between wasteful Russia and careful Canada. Russia looks bad on both measures because of its philosophy of life, or of death, whichever you prefer to call it.
Originally posted by THG:
I'm sure that is a part of it.
T
The Russian economy is wasteful compared to the Canadian economy: https://www.google.com/search?q=Compare+gnp+russia+canada
GDP per capita Russia $18,388.40 Canada $71,212.86
https://www.international.gc.ca/country-pays/fact_sheet-fiche_document
aire/russia-russie.aspx?lang=eng
A Russian's lifespan is short compared to a Canadian: https://www.google.com/search?q=compare+Russia+Canada+lifespan
In Russia, the average life expectancy is 72 years (67 years for men, 78 years for women) as of 2022. In Canada, that number is 84 years (82 years for men, 86 years for women) as of 2022.
I don't think the Russians can truthfully blame their sad lives on the US, especially when Canadians do so well despite living adjacent to the US. There is something that shall remain unnamed intrinsically wrong with Russia.
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Quote:There are economic and health comparisons that are easy to make between wasteful Russia and careful Canada. Russia looks bad on both measures because of its philosophy of life, or of death, whichever you prefer to call it.
Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I'm sure that is a part of it.
T
The Russian economy is wasteful compared to the Canadian economy: https://www.google.com/search?q=Compare+gnp+russia+canada
GDP per capita Russia $18,388.40 Canada $71,212.86
https://www.international.gc.ca/country-pays/fact_sheet-fiche_document
aire/russia-russie.aspx?lang=eng
A Russian's lifespan is short compared to a Canadian: https://www.google.com/search?q=compare+Russia+Canada+lifespan
In Russia, the average life expectancy is 72 years (67 years for men, 78 years for women) as of 2022. In Canada, that number is 84 years (82 years for men, 86 years for women) as of 2022.
I don't think the Russians can truthfully blame their sad lives on the US, especially when Canadians do so well despite living adjacent to the US. There is something that shall remain unnamed intrinsically wrong with Russia.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Russia's run by a Mafia strongman. It's what Trump wants to do here.
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Quote:Russia's problem is succinctly summarized -- Russians are half-asses. For example:
Originally posted by THG:
Russia's run by a Mafia strongman. It's what Trump wants to do here.
Half of Russian Losses Could Have Been Prevented With Proper First Aid
Monday's U.K. MOD update cited a claim by the Kalashnikov company's combat medicine training division that it was likely that "up to 50 percent of Russian combat fatalities could have been prevented with proper first aid."
The leading causes of preventable fatalities and amputations were slow evacuations and "the inappropriate use of the crude in-service Russian combat tourniquet," the MOD said.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-losses-first-aid-prevented-ukraine-war
-1811860
Russians need to, but won't, get their shit together. Whether making real plans for replacing their ruler at predetermined times and regular intervals or evacuating their wounded, Russians just haven't got their shit together. The Russians could do themselves a favor by sobering up and acting with common sense instead of like they are raging lunatics howling for blood (Russia made another death threat to nuke the US). Russians are nuts.
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Quote:Russia's problem is succinctly summarized -- Russians are half-asses. For example:
Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Russia's run by a Mafia strongman. It's what Trump wants to do here.
Half of Russian Losses Could Have Been Prevented With Proper First Aid
Monday's U.K. MOD update cited a claim by the Kalashnikov company's combat medicine training division that it was likely that "up to 50 percent of Russian combat fatalities could have been prevented with proper first aid."
The leading causes of preventable fatalities and amputations were slow evacuations and "the inappropriate use of the crude in-service Russian combat tourniquet," the MOD said.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-losses-first-aid-prevented-ukraine-war
-1811860
Russians need to, but won't, get their shit together. Whether making real plans for replacing their ruler at predetermined times and regular intervals or evacuating their wounded, Russians just haven't got their shit together. The Russians could do themselves a favor by sobering up and acting with common sense instead of like they are raging lunatics howling for blood (Russia made another death threat to nuke the US). Russians are nuts.
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This is the type of dumbassery that comes out of people who view an entire country as a single hive-mind.
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Yanno, that's exactly what people say about Ukrainian casualties.
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Quote:I don't know every Trump supporter, but every Trump supporter I know was an untrustworthy, dishonest, lazy, lying, drunken asshole before Trump came along. My experience with Trump supporters doesn't "prove" that all the many millions of Trump supporters are participants in a single Hive-mind but sorting out who is and is not will waste my time and energy without giving me anything in return. The same is true about Russians. It is not worth the time and energy to sort out who is what as far as Russians. Kill them, kill them all, which is why the US should send all stockpiled cluster bombs to Ukraine so that Ukrainians can explosively fix what is wrong with a few, but not all, Russians.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This is the type of dumbassery that comes out of people who view an entire country as a single hive-mind.
Ukraine Burning Through Ammo Alarms NATO as Divisions Emerge Over War
Ellie Cook
Ukraine's NATO backers are split over the U.S. supply of cluster munitions, which will be a much-needed boost for Kyiv's ammunition stockpiles as it forges on with its counteroffensive.
Cluster bombs will help Ukraine keep up with its sky-high ammunition needs, experts have told Newsweek, but several of Kyiv's supporters have balked at the provision of the controversial munitions.
On Friday, the U.S. said it was supplying dual-purpose improved conventional munitions (DPICM), a form of cluster bomb that disperses submunitions over a wide area. They are considered an effective military weapon, but they can pose a danger to civilians.
U.S. President Joe Biden told CNN that Washington had made the "difficult" decision because "the Ukrainians are running out of ammunition."
In a media briefing, Colin Kahl, a senior Pentagon official, said the new military package – which also included more ammunition for Patriot air defense systems and HIMARS – meant the U.S. could furnish Ukraine "with hundreds of thousands of additional artillery ammunition immediately."
"By providing Ukraine with DPICM artillery ammunition, we will ensure that the Ukrainian military has sufficient artillery ammunition for many months to come," Kahl added.
Although there are no figures available for how much ammunition Ukraine has left, what it needs, or how much it has used, Kyiv has repeatedly called for ammunition supplies from its Western backers.
Sending cluster munitions will boost Ukraine's counteroffensive efforts in the eastern and southern parts of the country, experts told Newsweek.
Ukraine's incredibly high ammunition consumption "far outstrips present Ukrainian and Western ammunition production," according to Frederik Mertens, of The Hague Center for Strategic Studies. In February, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said the alliance's "unprecedented support" was "consuming an enormous quantity of Allied ammunition, and depleting our stockpiles."
Any weapon that boosts Ukraine's ammunition stockpiles is useful from the Kyiv military's point of view, Mertens told Newsweek, "especially in this crucial phase of the war when Western support still is firm, and Kyiv is on the offensive."
Cluster munitions will give Ukraine's artillery units "a far superior capability to deal with hostile mechanized units," he added. Cluster bombs spread submunitions over a far greater area than other ammunition, and they are more effective against hard targets.
This "really enhances the abilities of the Ukrainian artillery to support their offensive," Mertens argued. Ukraine at the same time receives additional ammunition through this military package, but these munitions also go further than other ammunition, which is then conserved for other targets.
Cluster munitions are "very useful for clearing out large numbers of infantry," Sidharth Kaushal, a research fellow at the London-based Royal United Services Institute think tank, previ
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Ukraine Should NOT Be in NATO | Opinion
Daniel R. DePetris , fellow, Defense Priorities
On 7/10/23 at 5:00 AM EDT
Bringing Ukraine into NATO would scratch the itch of teaching Russia a lesson. But it would do nothing to end the war or shorten its duration—precisely the opposite. If Putin knows that Ukraine will be invited into the alliance after the war is over, he will have even more reason to fight in order to prevent that outcome.
Putin would be given two choices: lose and watch NATO's border with Russia get even longer than it is today (and courtesy of Finland's own entry into the alliance this year, the NATO-Russia border has already increased by more than 800 miles), or continue to pour men and resources into the conflict to win or at least maintain a stalemate. Any semblance of a diplomatic settlement to the war would evaporate.
The U.S. would also be burdening itself with another security commitment in Europe at a time when the center of gravity in U.S. foreign policy is now focused on Asia. Perhaps this would be necessary if Ukraine's security was an ingredient to ensuring that Europe remains whole, free, and largely at peace. But nobody can make this argument with a straight face. Russia couldn't invade or occupy a European country even if it wanted to. If that was true before the war in Ukraine began, it's even more true now, with tens of thousands of Russian troops dead, tens of thousands more wounded, and the Russian army reportedly losing half its combat power in about a year and a half. Europe can and should continue to aid Ukraine, but realistically, Europe simply doesn't need Ukraine as a formal ally to maintain its economic or military advantage over Russia.
It's past time for NATO to close the proverbial open door, not keep it open in perpetuity.
Daniel R. DePetris is a fellow at Defense Priorities and a syndicated foreign affairs columnist at the Chicago Tribune.
More at https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-should-not-nato-opinion-1811669
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Russian elites flaunt their inhumanity
by Alexander J. Motyl, opinion contributor - 07/11/23 2:00 PM ET
TV host Solovyov makes what amount to endorsements of genocide. Former president and prime minister Dmitry Medvedev blithely speaks of a nuclear apocalypse. The Bryansk Eparchy of the Russian Orthodox Church enjoined Russian soldiers to “to wipe the Ukrainian nation from the face of the earth.” One leading Russian separatist in the Donbas, Pavel Gubarev, warned Ukrainians to recognize that they’re really Russians or else: “if you don’t want to be convinced by us, then we’ll kill you. We’ll kill as many as is necessary: 1 million, 5 million, or exterminate all of you. Until you understand that you are possessed and need to be cured.” Television personality Anton Krasovsky opined that Ukrainian children who don’t like Russians should be drowned or incinerated.
This, then, is what over two decades of Putin’s misrule has wrought in Russia. The regime’s normalization of brutality, violence and criminality has either created or reinforced Russian cultural norms that both countenance and endorse crimes against humanity.
More at https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4089556-russian-elites-flaun
t-their-inhumanity/
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Ukraine Needs NATO—and NATO Needs Ukraine, Too
Arguments against admitting Ukraine into the alliance aren’t convincing.
Garry Kasparov
Jul 11, 2023
Last week, an opinion article in Foreign Affairs argued for locking Ukraine out of NATO. The authors, Justin Logan and Joshua Shifrinson of the Cato Institute, offered five claims to support their arguments. But as is typical of the genre, their article is long on opinion and short on facts. Because articles like this are so useful in Kremlin propagandists’ disinformation campaigns, it is worth refuting Logan and Shifrinson’s five claims one by one.
Claim 1: Russia does not threaten NATO. “The idea that Russia could pose a serious threat to Poland, much less to France or Germany, is outlandish.”
This claim is so divorced from reality, so historically illiterate, that it shocks. For more than fifteen years, Vladimir Putin has waged war on NATO, directly and indirectly. When democratic Georgia sought NATO membership of its own free will, Putin invaded. When Ukrainian citizens marched in the pro-European Maidan Revolution (the Revolution of Dignity) in 2014, Putin invaded Ukraine. Putin and his Wagner Group proxies carpet-bombed hospitals in Syria, on the border of another NATO member, Turkey. And they armed coups around the world, with the aim of undermining democracy everywhere.
Russian state agents have murdered British citizens, attempted to conduct a coup in a country that had already signed a NATO accession protocol, kidnapped an Estonian border guard, and are currently holding multiple American hostages. Russian influence operations left fingerprints on the pro-Brexit campaign in the United Kingdom and Yevgeny Prigozhin rose in the Kremlin’s mafia ranks by helping Putin interfere with U.S. elections. And when Putin deemed NATO nations weak—mistakenly, this time—he invaded Ukraine again. Every action Putin has taken, every person Putin’s forces have killed in his bloody-minded fixation on undermining NATO, demonstrates clearly his intentions. If you are still fooled by Putin, I cannot help you.
Claim 2: “If Ukraine were in NATO, the United States could be pushed to come to Ukraine’s defense by deploying troops and even threatening to use nuclear weapons on Ukraine’s behalf.”
Claim 3: The United States would not defend Ukraine. “Extending Article 5 protections to Ukraine could also undermine their overall credibility.”
These two claims are linked, so we can refute them together. First, it is important to clarify that Ukraine is not asking for membership today. It is asking, by virtue of all the blood it has shed and the benefits it offers to NATO, for membership in the future, after Ukrainian forces have liberated their lands and people.
More at https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/ukraine-needs-nato-and-nato-needs-ukrain
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Originally posted by second:
Ukraine Should NOT Be in NATO | Opinion
Daniel R. DePetris , fellow, Defense Priorities
On 7/10/23 at 5:00 AM EDT
Bringing Ukraine into NATO would scratch the itch of teaching Russia a lesson. But it would do nothing to end the war or shorten its duration—precisely the opposite. If Putin knows that Ukraine will be invited into the alliance after the war is over, he will have even more reason to fight in order to prevent that outcome.
Putin would be given two choices: lose and watch NATO's border with Russia get even longer than it is today (and courtesy of Finland's own entry into the alliance this year, the NATO-Russia border has already increased by more than 800 miles), or continue to pour men and resources into the conflict to win or at least maintain a stalemate. Any semblance of a diplomatic settlement to the war would evaporate.
The U.S. would also be burdening itself with another security commitment in Europe at a time when the center of gravity in U.S. foreign policy is now focused on Asia. Perhaps this would be necessary if Ukraine's security was an ingredient to ensuring that Europe remains whole, free, and largely at peace. But nobody can make this argument with a straight face. Russia couldn't invade or occupy a European country even if it wanted to. If that was true before the war in Ukraine began, it's even more true now, with tens of thousands of Russian troops dead, tens of thousands more wounded, and the Russian army reportedly losing half its combat power in about a year and a half. Europe can and should continue to aid Ukraine, but realistically, Europe simply doesn't need Ukraine as a formal ally to maintain its economic or military advantage over Russia.
It's past time for NATO to close the proverbial open door, not keep it open in perpetuity.
Daniel R. DePetris is a fellow at Defense Priorities and a syndicated foreign affairs columnist at the Chicago Tribune.
More at https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-should-not-nato-opinion-1811669
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I'm going to ignore whatever dumbass reply you left in the previous post because I actually appreciate this one coming from you.
That is... assuming you agree with it, of course.
Right. That's what I've been saying all along.
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You want to see an invasion that is happening now that is actually scary?
Fuck Russia. Fuck Ukraine.
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Quote:I am pretty sure you missed the point, which is "If Putin knows". Don't let Putin know. But once the Ukrainian War is over, then NATO would announce that Ukraine can join. Putin will be so angry at being "tricked" and declare that he was "promised" that Ukraine would never join NATO. Nobody with authority gave Putin that promise, but Putin will say it despite that.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Ukraine Should NOT Be in NATO | Opinion
If Putin knows that Ukraine will be invited into the alliance after the war is over, he will have even more reason to fight in order to prevent that outcome.
I'm going to ignore whatever dumbass reply you left in the previous post because I actually appreciate this one coming from you.
That is... assuming you agree with it, of course.
Right. That's what I've been saying all along.
At this moment, not even one of the 31 NATO countries has sent even a single platoon of soldiers to Ukraine because none want to fight there. NATO can't forbid its members from sending an army, so none of the NATO countries can use that as an excuse for not sending even one soldier there. For sure, some Prime Ministers of NATO countries send obsolete weapons from their stockpiles because that will win votes in the next election, but that's their limit and their motivation for doing the least thing they can think of. They stopped buying Russian fuel and stopped sending tens of billions of dollars to Russia each month to please voters who would disapprove of a Prime Minister sending money to Russia as it murders Ukrainians.
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Moscow’s military leadership has reportedly dismissed Major-General Ivan Popov, commander-in-chief of Russia’s 58th Combined Arms Army stationed in southern Ukraine, over his concerns for troops fighting without rest and criticism of Russian battlefield strategy.
Popov addressed soldiers in a voice message that was circulated on the Telegram messaging app on Wednesday saying he had been relieved of his post for criticising Russia’s military inefficiencies in Ukraine.
“I drew attention to the greatest tragedy of modern war – the lack of artillery reconnaissance and counter-strikes and the multiple deaths and injuries caused by enemy artillery,” Popov said, according to the message circulated on the Telegram channel of Duma legislator Andrei Gurulyov.
Popov, whose unit was fighting in the southern Ukrainian region of Zaporizhia, was harshly critical of his superiors.
“The soldiers of the Ukrainian armed forces could not break through our front, but from behind the commander-in-chief dealt us a treacherous blow by decapitating the army at the most critical and tense moment,” Popov said in his message.
Earlier on Wednesday, other Telegram channels had reported that Russia’s Chief of General Staff Valery Gerasimov had called Popov an “alarmist” and replaced him.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/13/russia-general-in-ukraine-rem
oved-over-strategy-criticism-report
Popov’s removal was reportedly linked to his complaints over Moscow’s failure to rotate and rest Russian troops from the front lines in Ukraine. Popov had told Chief of Staff Gerasimov that his troops had been in battle for extended periods of time and had suffered significant casualties and were in need of rotation away from the front. Gerasimov reportedly accused Popov of alarmism and blackmailing the Russian military command. Russian forces lack operational reserves that would allow them to carry out rotations of personnel defending against Ukrainian counteroffensives. Popov’s dismissal and criticism of the Russian military leadership echo the anger expressed by Yevgeny Prigozhin, chief of Russia’s Wagner mercenary forces, who had for months berated top commanders in Moscow for poor military planning before launching a short-lived uprising by his mercenaries in June to remove senior Russian defence official.
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Quote:But wasn't the DoD 'monitoring' xfers in Afghanistan too?
The Joe Biden administration has come out in opposition to Congress creating an inspector general’s office to oversee weapons transfers to the Ukrainian government.
The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) includes a provision that will create an inspector general for the proxy war in Ukraine modeled after the Special Inspector General for Afghan Reconstruction (SIGAR).
SIGAR John Sopko detailed the rampant American failures during the Afghan War for years. His quarterly reports routinely embarrassed American officials who tried to portray the situation in Afghanistan as improving.
Sopko has warned that an inspector general’s official for the Ukraine war needed to be established to prevent a repeat of the situation American aid created in Afghanistan, which saw massive corruption. “There is an understandable desire amid a crisis to focus on getting money out the door and to worry about oversight later, but too often that creates more problems than it solves,” he wrote in a report submitted to Congress earlier this year. “Given the ongoing conflict and the unprecedented volume of weapons being transferred to Ukraine, the risk that some equipment ends up on the black market or in the wrong hands is likely unavoidable.”
Sopko continued, “You’re bound to get corrupt elements of not only the Ukrainian or the host government, but also of US government contractors or other third party contractors to try to steal the money. There’s just so much money going in, and it’s hard to keep track of.”
The White House argued that creating an inspector general for Ukraine was unnecessary as the Department of Defense was already monitoring transfers.
Quote:AID. It's presented as a humaitarian agency but in reality is a CIA front. I know somebody who worked there.
“This expansion is both unnecessary and unprecedented, as oversight of US assistance for the benefit of a country’s people is already provided by the Inspectors General for the Department of State and United States Agency for International Development,” a White House statement said.
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However, a report published in June by the Pentagon inspector general found several issues with US weapons shipments to Ukraine. “DoD personnel did not have the required accountability of the thousands of defense items that they received and transferred at Jasionka, [Poland],” the report explained. “We observed that DoD personnel did not fully implement their standard operating procedures to account for defense items and could not confirm the quantities of defense items received against the quantity of items shipped for three of five shipments we observed.”
The US has shipped tens [hundreds] of billions worth of weapons to Ukraine since the Russian invasion last year. While Washington and Kiev maintain all weapons are being used on the battlefield, governments in Europe, the Middle East and Africa report weapons from Ukraine have been used by criminals and militants.
Additionally, American weapons were used by openly neo-Nazi fighters carrying out cross-border attacks within the Russian mainland. Initially, American officials said they were “skeptical” of reports that the arms these militias used had been provided by the US. However, officials later admitted that, indeed American weapons were used during the raid.
https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/white-house-looks-to-prevent-ove
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Russia’s Chaotic Meltdown Over American Cluster Bombs Begins
SEE YOU SWEAT
The Kremlin’s response to news of the cluster munition delivery has panic written all over it.
Marcel Plichta, Updated Jul. 13, 2023 5:50AM EDT
Russian Minister of Defence Sergei Shoigu threatened to use their own cluster munitions against Ukraine, claiming that they had refrained from using them so far. Ha-ha-ha! Russians are such monstrous liars.
The Kremlin — unable to stymie the delivery of the munitions — has been left to respond using the usual playbook — with lies and showboating.
“It should be noted that Russia is armed with cluster munitions, as they say, for all occasions. At the same time, they are much more effective than American ones, their range is wider and more diverse,” Shoigu said this week, adding that Russian forces are taking “additional measures of an organizational and technical nature to protect personnel and equipment from striking elements of cluster munitions.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-is-already-melting-down-over-amer
ican-cluster-bombs-in-ukraine
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I am pretty sure you missed the point, which is "If Putin knows". Don't let Putin know. But once the Ukrainian War is over, then NATO would announce that Ukraine can join.
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Originally posted by second:
Ukraine Should NOT Be in NATO | Opinion
If Putin knows that Ukraine will be invited into the alliance after the war is over, he will have even more reason to fight in order to prevent that outcome.
I'm going to ignore whatever dumbass reply you left in the previous post because I actually appreciate this one coming from you.
That is... assuming you agree with it, of course.
Right. That's what I've been saying all along.
No. That was not at all the point.
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It's past time for NATO to close the proverbial open door, not keep it open in perpetuity.
Learn how to read.
You're a fucking idiot.
You're so stupid that you posted an article that is in 100% disagreement with your own stance on the issue because you can't bother to read anything past the headline and the first few paragraphs.
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Quote:NATO members are countries that despise Russia because Russians murder people by the tens of millions and steal their land. If Putin was informed now that Ukraine will join NATO, Russia will increase its murder rate of Ukrainians while it can.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Learn how to read.
You're a fucking idiot.
You're so stupid that you posted an article that is in 100% disagreement with your own stance on the issue because you can't bother to read anything past the headline and the first few paragraphs.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:NATO members are countries that despise Russia because Russians murder people by the tens of millions and steal their land. If Putin was informed now that Ukraine will join NATO, Russia will increase its murder rate of Ukrainians while it can.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Learn how to read.
You're a fucking idiot.
You're so stupid that you posted an article that is in 100% disagreement with your own stance on the issue because you can't bother to read anything past the headline and the first few paragraphs.
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No shit. Not the point, retard.
That article you posted was 100% against your wishes for NATO and Ukraine, yet you posted it anyway because you are stupid.
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Quote:1) None of the NATO countries have sent even one platoon of soldiers to Ukraine because all the governments are avoiding Russia for unstated reasons. Reasons could be fear, could be their army's lack of readiness, or could be election politics. If NATO allowed Ukraine to join today, all the countries have agreed to fight Russia if a NATO nation is attacked. Avoiding the fight while faking bravery/empathy is the first reason NATO has not invited Ukraine to join.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No shit. Not the point, retard.
That article you posted was 100% against your wishes for NATO and Ukraine, yet you posted it anyway because you are stupid.
2) If NATO even offers an invitation to Ukraine for some unspecified date in the misty future, Russia will instantly increase its murder rate of Ukrainians in order to kill the maximum number before Ukraine joins. Not getting Ukrainians murdered is the second reason NATO has not yet invited Ukraine to join.
Because of both 1) and 2) Ukraine's entrance to NATO won't be announced until either after Russia can't retaliate against Ukraine or NATO nations get braver or some key elections have passed in member nations.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:1) None of the NATO countries have sent even one platoon of soldiers to Ukraine because all the governments are avoiding Russia for unstated reasons. Reasons could be fear, could be their army's lack of readiness, or could be election politics. If NATO allowed Ukraine to join today, all the countries have agreed to fight Russia if a NATO nation is attacked. Avoiding the fight while faking bravery/empathy is the first reason NATO has not invited Ukraine to join.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No shit. Not the point, retard.
That article you posted was 100% against your wishes for NATO and Ukraine, yet you posted it anyway because you are stupid.
Yes. That's VERY smart, because Fuck Ukraine.
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2) If NATO even offers an invitation to Ukraine for some unspecified date in the misty future, Russia will instantly increase its murder rate of Ukrainians in order to kill the maximum number before Ukraine joins. Not getting Ukrainians murdered is the second reason NATO has not yet invited Ukraine to join.
No shit.
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Because of both 1) and 2) Ukraine's entrance to NATO won't be announced until either after Russia can't retaliate against Ukraine or NATO nations get braver or some key elections have passed in member nations.
Or until Russia destroys Ukraine.
Ukraine should NEVER be invited into NATO. NATO shouldn't even exist anymore in the first place. The mere existence of NATO is what is getting Ukrainians killed.
And Putin knows all of this too. You think he's stupid? Even if NATO said flat out that it will never invite Ukraine to join, nobody is going to believe that shit.
And back to the point... You posted a story that contradicts what you want, thinking it was saying what you wanted it to say because you are a very stupid person.
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Thousands of Ukraine civilians are being held in Russian prisons. Russia plans to build many more
By LORI HINNANT, HANNA ARHIROVA and VASILISA STEPANENKO
Published 11:24 PM CDT, July 12, 2023
ZAPORIZHZHIA, Ukraine (AP) — The Ukrainian civilians woke long before dawn in the bitter cold, lined up for the single toilet and were loaded at gunpoint into the livestock trailer. They spent the next 12 hours or more digging trenches on the front lines for Russian soldiers.
Many were forced to wear overlarge Russian military uniforms that could make them a target, and a former city administrator trudged around in boots five sizes too big. By the end of the day, their hands curled into icy claws.
Nearby, in the occupied region of Zaporizhzhia, other Ukrainian civilians dug mass graves into the frozen ground for fellow prisoners who had not survived. One man who refused to dig was shot on the spot — yet another body for the grave.
Thousands of Ukrainian civilians are being detained across Russia and the Ukrainian territories it occupies, in centers ranging from brand-new wings in Russian prisons to clammy basements. Most have no status under Russian law.
And Russia is planning to hold possibly thousands more. A Russian government document obtained by The Associated Press dating to January outlined plans to create 25 new prison colonies and six other detention centers in occupied Ukraine by 2026.
In addition, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree in May allowing Russia to send people from territories with martial law, which includes all of occupied Ukraine, to those without, such as Russia. This makes it easier to deport Ukrainians who resist Russian occupation deep into Russia indefinitely, which has happened in multiple cases documented by the AP.
Many civilians are picked up for alleged transgressions as minor as speaking Ukrainian or simply being a young man in an occupied region, and are often held without charge. Others are charged as terrorists, combatants, or people who “resist the special military operation.” Hundreds are used for slave labor by Russia’s military, for digging trenches and other fortifications, as well as mass graves.
Torture is routine, including repeated electrical shocks, beatings that crack skulls and fracture ribs, and simulated suffocation. Many former prisoners told the AP they witnessed deaths. A United Nations report from late June documented 77 summary executions of civilian captives and the death of one man due to torture.
Russia does not acknowledge holding civilians at all, let alone its reasons for doing so. But the prisoners serve as future bargaining chips in exchanges for Russian soldiers, and the U.N. has said there is evidence of civilians being used as human shields near the front lines.
The AP spoke with dozens of people, including 20 former detainees, along with ex-prisoners of war, the families of more than a dozen civilians in detention, two Ukrainian intelligence officials and a government negotiator. Their accounts, as well as satellite imagery, social media, government documents and copies of letters delivered by the Red Cross, confirm a widescale Russian system of detention and abuse of civilians that stands in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions.
Much more at https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-prisons-civilians-torture-de
tainees-88b4abf2efbf383272eed9378be13c72
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Quote:The story contradicts nothing I believe. Nothing. But you get confused by your weird-ass upside-down Trumptard belief system. By the way, all the Trumptards I know have a very loose grasp of reality, despite the silly fools thinking they grip reality firmly with both hands. They are butterfingers who keep dropping what they think they control.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And back to the point... You posted a story that contradicts what you want, thinking it was saying what you wanted it to say because you are a very stupid person.
Zelensky threw a fit upon learning that the Western leaders would not set a timetable for his country’s ascension to NATO membership. But really, this was never in the cards. The many reasons** why had been explained to him repeatedly. In any case, Zelensky quickly dropped his sour mood and thanked the NATO members for their stalwart support.
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** Before leaving for Europe, Biden laid out some, though far from all, of the reasons why now is not the time for Ukraine to join NATO or even for NATO to set a schedule. First, by the rules of the alliance, a nation can’t join unless its borders are secure (the members need to know exactly what they’re committing to defend, after all), and Ukraine’s borders are very much in flux. Second, nations must meet certain standards of anti-corruption, which Ukraine doesn’t quite, as yet.
Third, and most crucial: If Ukraine were to join now, then the other NATO countries would be committed, under Article 5 (an attack on one member must be treated as an attack on all) to send their troops and weapons to fight against Russia directly — in other words, to start World War III — and that’s something that Biden and the other leaders say they don’t want to do. As for setting a timetable, this would be at least imprudent. No one knows how this war will end, but there will probably be some sort of diplomatic settlement, and Ukraine’s status in or out of NATO may be a part, perhaps as a bargaining chip. (For instance, if the war goes badly, Kyiv may let Russia keep a sliver of Donbas territory in exchange for Ukrainian membership in NATO, or it may allow no Russian gains in exchange for some security arrangement that doesn’t involve NATO.) In any case, it is not in Ukraine’s interest to lock membership in now.
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Putin wanted to disarm Ukraine. What's happening instead is Ukraine and NATO are disarming Russia. Too funny...
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https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/ukraine/2023/07/realists-get
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What realists get wrong about Ukraine’s counteroffensive
Critics such as John Mearsheimer are wrong to present the war as a simple artillery duel.
By Lawrence Freedman, emeritus professor of war studies at King's College London.
“Strategy is the art of making war upon the map.”
– Antoine-Henri Jomini
The Russo-Ukrainian War is all about territory. Russia wants to complete its occupation of the oblasts of Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson; Ukraine seeks to liberate all occupied territories, including Crimea. This is what the game theorists call a “zero-sum game” – what one wins the others must lose. This feature of the war explains why a negotiated outcome is so difficult to achieve, why the current battles matter so much, and why those commenting on the war spend so much time staring at maps.
Another feature of the war is that the territory being vigorously defended is hard to take. The land that Russian forces are currently defending was mostly taken in the first month of the war. Since then, they have ceded much more than they have taken. The Russians have put enormous effort and resources into their offensives since April 2022, yet what has been gained, despite the enormously high cost, has been limited – especially since they have reduced the occupied cities to rubble in the process. This was the case with their most recent offensive, lasting from January to June, during which they wrecked the eastern towns of Soledar and Bakhmut. But largely failed elsewhere.
Ukrainian offensives have been more successful when facing Russian forces thinly spread and struggling with logistical and command difficulties; they have found it tougher advancing against well-prepared Russian defences. This is why there is so much anxiety surrounding the Ukrainian offensive, which has been underway for just over a month.
Ukrainians insist it is not yet in its highest gear because they have yet to commit the bulk of their fresher, better-equipped and more mobile forces. That is because before they reach a breakthrough phase – when they start retrieving territory at speed – they must first go through an attritional phase to degrade the Russian defenders’ capacity for resistance.
Though Ukrainian commanders may have hoped the influx of Western infantry vehicles and tanks would have made an early push through Russian lines possible, as Franz-Stefan Gady and Michael Kofman noted in March it was always unlikely that combat power alone would be sufficient to avoid this attritional phase.
A comparable operation planned by the Americans would use their air superiority to create a “permissive environment”. The enemy would be left so battered by days of air strikes that they would be unable to cope once the army moved against them. The retired Australian general and strategist Mick Ryan has reminded us that the 1991 Gulf War began with a 42-day air campaign, involving more than 100,000 sorties, before ground operations commenced. And in the 2003 invasion of Iraq 1,800 combat and support aircraft were used.
Ukraine does not enjoy any air advantage. Before this war is over it may get American F-16 fighter jets, but not in time for the current offensive. It therefore needs a different strategy to the one that would come most naturally to the Pentagon.
A difficult start
The extent of the challenge became apparent on 8 June when Ukrainian forces made an early assault close to Mala Tokmachka on the Zaporizhzhia front, in the south-east of the country. It got caught by the density of the minefield it was trying to breach, leading to the loss of a number of vehicles. Images of the destruction, including Bradley fighting vehicles, were soon being widely circulated by pro-Russian bloggers, celebrating the failure of the Ukrainian offensive almost as soon as it started. On 13 June, Vladimir Putin, not normally one to comment in detail on operations, felt confident enough to
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one way to tell how the war is going is to look at the results of the NATO meeting in vilnius. If NATO thought they could tough out the war long-term, or if there was a reasonable chance of success in the near future, they would have committed a lot more to ukraine.
instead, as far as i can tell, NATO blinked. instead of actual security guarantees what they isssued was; as much as it takes whatever we have leftover for as long as it takes as long as it lasts.
there are, apparently, realists in NATO who don't want to engage directly with russia.
there is also, according to a very long-winded video by mercouris, a split between the DNC and the biden* administration. according to [some anonymous sources] the DNC wants a major reshuffle in the biden* foreign policy cadre currently driving the bus, with nuland and blinken (and maybe sullivan) out and realists like wendy sherman and burns given more say. once that's done, they hope to negotiate with russia before elections next year
IMHO the sticky wicket is biden* himself. he's apparently got a terrible temper, and his mental capacity is diminished, so what we might have is a dangerously irascible dodderer whose finger is on the button. he might flare up and decide to fight russia directly with the idea of dragging the rest of NATO into the fray.
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Meanwhile, Russia will probably break the grain deal, since the west has implemented none of its provisions regarding Russia. (Just like the Minsk Agreement.) Russia bombed not only Snake Island, which is in the conflict- free grain corridor but also Odessa munitions.
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Quote:Which NATO countries sent their troops to Ukraine? The answer is NONE. The question was too specific. Maybe there are some other countries not in NATO that sent troops? There is! Belarus and . . . Russia. Every country is a realist, except for Belarus and Russia. Both countries are run poorly because both have rulers for life. Competency decreases the longer a ruler serves. See all of North Korea's Kim family history for examples. Maybe North Korea will be sending troops to Ukraine since Russia established Korea?
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there are, apparently, realists in NATO who don't want to engage directly with russia.
Countries Sending Troops to Ukraine 2023
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-sending-t
roops-to-ukraine
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(Russian objective: Expand combat power without conducting general mobilization)
The Kremlin advanced efforts likely aimed at keeping high ranking officers in their positions without needing to obtain special exemptions for retirement age limits. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on July 14 increasing the age limitations for all reservists by five years: personnel with “first class” ranks from 35 to 40 years, “second class” ranks from 40 to 45 years, “third class” ranks from 50 to 55 years, junior officers from 55 to 60 years, and senior officers from 60 to 65 years.[64] The decree stipulates that the age limitations for each category will increase by one year annually from January 2024 to January 2028. The Russian federal government recently adopted a law similarly extending the retirement ages for senior military officers, as ISW has previously reported.[65]
Putin signed a decree authorizing death and injury payments to Russian fortification builders in Ukraine and their families.[66] The decree stipulates that the payments – five million rubles ($55,401) for death and three million rubles ($33,240) for injury – will come from the Russian federal budget and are retroactive for all deaths and injuries since the start of the full-scale invasion in Ukraine.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-july-14-2023
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Putin knows it's over with this one.
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A new version of the Gulag system is being reconstructed, especially for Ukrainians. Journalists, war-crimes investigators, and specialized groups such as the Reckoning Project have already documented arrests, murders, prisons, and torture chambers in Ukrainian territories under Russian occupation. Slowly, it is becoming clear that these are not just ad-hoc responses to Ukrainian resistance. They are part of a long-term plan: the construction of a sprawling system of camps and punishment colonies — a new Gulag. The Associated Press reported yesterday that it has evidence of at least 40 prison camps in Russia and Belarus, as well as 63 formal and informal prisons in occupied Ukraine, containing perhaps 10,000 Ukrainians.
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-prisons-civilians-torture-de
tainees-88b4abf2efbf383272eed9378be13c72 A few are prisoners of war: Gulagu.net, a Russian prison-monitoring group, has evidence of Ukrainian soldiers in Russian prisons who arrive without proper papers or POW status. But most of the Ukrainian prisoners are civilians who have been arrested or abducted in occupied territory.
As in the Gulag during its heyday, slave labor is one purpose of these camps. Some Ukrainians in captivity are being forced to dig trenches and build fortifications for Russian soldiers, and to dig mass graves. The Gulag was also designed to instill terror in the broader population, and the new camp system works that way too. Civilians are imprisoned and tortured for minor offenses—AP cites, as one example, the tying of a ribbon with Ukrainian colors to a bicycle—or sometimes for no reason at all. The Reckoning Project has collected many examples of Russian soldiers becoming paranoid and interrogating ordinary people, many of them volunteers for civic organizations, about their connections to the Ukrainian security services, the CIA, or even George Soros’s Open Society Foundation. The AP describes one civilian captive from Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia region who was pulled from her cell, driven around town, and told to identify people with pro-Ukrainian sympathies. In 1937–38, during the era of the Great Purges, Soviet secret police were equally paranoid and equally terrified, not only of ordinary people but also of one another. Recent infighting suggests that Russian military forces may reach that stage in occupied Ukraine too.
Like the Soviet Gulag, the new Russian camp network is not temporary, and unless the Ukrainians can take back their territory, it will expand. AP has obtained a Russian document, dated this past January, that describes plans to build 25 new prison colonies and six detention centers in occupied Ukrainian territory by 2026. Like the Soviet Gulag, this system is chaotic and lawless. People have been condemned without trial. Their documents have been lost. Sometimes they are kept for no reason, or released for no reason. Their relatives receive no information about them and cannot find or contact them. Eventually, they may also be forced to the front lines. That is certainly the fate of Russian prisoners in Russia, many of whom are now told to sign mobilization papers, and beaten and tortured if they refuse. As in the old days, it seems as if Russian prison directors have been given quotas, numbers of prisoners they need to supply in order to fulfill some central plan.
The historical echoes can’t be an accident. The KGB once taught new recruits to study the institution’s history, and the Russian security services clearly do the same: They are carrying out repressive policies that “worked” in the Soviet days, that kept people like Bohdan Klymchak and his brother behind bars. But that history also explains Ukraine’s response. Anyone who wonders why the Ukrainians keep fighting, why they keep asking for more weapons, why they become frustrated by slow-moving transatlantic diplomacy, why they seem angry or “unreasonable,” should remember this: The Gulag was supposed to belong to the past. Now it belongs to the present. If Ukrainians don’t want it to be part of their future, they will have to
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