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Google records a global total of five news stories about a scientific paper published last week, showing that the chances of simultaneous crop losses in the world’s major growing regions, caused by climate breakdown, appear to have been dangerously underestimated. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38906-7
In the media, celebrity gossip is thousands of times more important than existential risk.
The new paper explores the impacts on crop production when meanders in the jet stream (Rossby waves) become stuck. Stuck patterns cause extreme weather. To put it crudely, if you live in the northern hemisphere and a kink in the jet stream (the band of strong winds a few miles above the Earth’s surface at mid-latitudes) is stuck to the south of you, your weather is likely to be cold and wet. If it’s stuck to the north of you, you’re likely to suffer escalating heat and drought.
In both cases, the stuck weather, exacerbated by global heating, affects crops. With certain meander patterns, several of the northern hemisphere’s major growing regions – such as western North America, Europe, India and east Asia – could be exposed to extreme weather at the same time, hammering their harvests. We rely for our subsistence on global smoothing: if there’s a bad harvest in one region, it’s likely to be counteracted by good harvests elsewhere. Even small crop losses occurring simultaneously present what the paper calls “systemic risk”.
More at https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/15/food-systems-col
lapse-plutocrats-life-on-earth-climate-breakdown
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July is world's hottest month, with spikes not seen in 125,000 years
https://www.axios.com/2023/07/20/world-heat-wave-records-us-europe-chi
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(Never forget that for Republicans, Climate Change Is A Chinese Hoax https://rollcall.com/2023/07/11/republicans-take-aim-at-climate-funds-
in-spending-bills/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/house-republicans-propose-ambiti
ous-reforestation-plan-in-response-to-climate-change )
Tipping points: Climate collapse could happen fast
As temperature and weather records fall, Earth may be nearing so-called tipping points.
Lois Parshley writes:
Ever since some of the earliest projections of climate change were made back in the 1970s, they have been remarkably accurate at predicting the rate at which global temperatures would rise. For decades, climate change has proceeded at roughly the expected pace, says David Armstrong McKay, a climate scientist at the University of Exeter, in England. Its impacts, however, are accelerating — sometimes far faster than expected.
For a while, the consequences weren’t easily seen. They certainly are today. The Southwest is sweltering under a heat dome. Vermont saw a deluge of rain, its second 100-year storm in roughly than a decade. Early July brought the hottest day globally since records began — a milestone surpassed again the following day. “For a long time, we were within the range of normal. And now we’re really not,” Allegra LeGrande, a physical-research scientist at Columbia University, told me. “And it has happened fast enough that people have a memory of it happening.”
In fact, a growing number of climate scientists now believe we may be careening toward so-called tipping points, where incremental steps along the same trajectory could push Earth’s systems into abrupt or irreversible change — leading to transformations that cannot be stopped even if emissions were suddenly halted. “The Earth may have left a ‘safe’ climate state beyond 1°C global warming,” Armstrong McKay and his co-authors concluded in Science last fall. If these thresholds are passed, some of global warming’s effects — like the thaw of permafrost or the loss of the world’s coral reefs—are likely to happen more quickly than expected. On the whole, however, the implications of blowing past these tipping points remain among climate change’s most consequential unknowns: We don’t really know when or how fast things will fall apart.
Some natural systems, if upended, could herald a restructuring of the world. Take the Thwaites Glacier in West Antarctica: It’s about the size of Florida, with a protruding ice shelf that impedes the glacier’s flow into the ocean. Although the ice shelf’s overall melt is slower than originally predicted, warm water is now eating away at it from below, causing deep cracks. At a certain point, that melt may progress enough to become self-sustaining, which would guarantee the glacier’s eventual collapse. How that plays out will help determine how much sea levels will rise—and thus the future of millions of people.
The fate of the Thwaites Glacier could be independent of other tipping points, such as those affecting mountain-glacier loss in South America, or the West African monsoon. But some tipping points will interact, worsening one another’s effects. When melt from Greenland’s glaciers enters the ocean, for example, it alters an important system of currents called the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation. The AMOC is like a conveyor belt, drawing warm water from the tropics north. The water’s salinity increases as it evaporates, which, among other factors, makes it sink and return south along the ocean floor. As more glacial fresh water enters the system, that conveyor belt will weaken. Right now it’s the feeblest it’s been in more than 1,000 years.
A shutdown of that ocean current could dramatically alter phenomena as varied as global weather patterns and crop yields. Messing with complex systems is chilling precisely because there are so many levers: If the temperature of the sea surface changes, precipitation over the Amazon might too, contributing to its deforestation, which in turn has been linked to snowfall on the Tibetan plateau. We m
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so, quick! throw money at SECOND'S money-making schemes so he can save the world!
/snicker
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like with the first three waves of covid, it's not that i doubt the problem, it's the 'solutions' that i question. getting rid of gas stoves and air conditioners, and pushing evs??? wtf?? doesn't biden* have anything more effective to suggest?
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Quote:The only solution Signym suggested more than once was to plant a trillion trees. If all anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions ceased tomorrow, the half-lives of greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere, together with climate change-driven gas emissions from melting permafrost and methane clathrates ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate ) doom us to decades more of warming. The only ways to avert this are (1) carbon capture to actively remove gases from the air and/or (2) geoengineering on a planetary scale.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
so, quick! throw money at SECOND'S money-making schemes so he can save the world!
/snicker
*****
like with the first three waves of covid, it's not that i doubt the problem, it's the 'solutions' that i question. getting rid of gas stoves and air conditioners, and pushing evs??? wtf?? doesn't biden* have anything more effective to suggest?
It has been suggested that we plant more trees since trees can sequester carbon from the atmosphere. The problems with that idea are:
• the consequences of global warming are coastal flooding, desertification and loss of fresh water; where would all those trees go?
• the world’s remaining forests are already being lost to agriculture, and that will only accelerate as arable land is lost to coastal flooding and desertification.
https://angrybearblog.com/2023/07/carbon-capture-and-geoengineering
The GOP's new approach on climate was apparent in 2021. McCarthy and other GOP lawmakers, led by Arkansas Rep. Bruce Westerman, backed a bill to incentivize growing timber forests in the U.S. as part of a worldwide effort to plant 1 trillion trees. Westerman said he expects a similar proposal to advance this year.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/house-republicans-propose-
planting-trillion-trees-rcna94836
In stark contrast to the GOP approach of planting trees and more drilling for fossil fuels, Biden has set an ambitious U.S. goal of achieving a carbon pollution-free power sector by 2035 and net zero emissions economy by no later than 2050. There are hundreds of billions of dollars backing that goal, at least until the GOP gets the votes to repeal the Inflation Reduction Act.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/04/2
0/fact-sheet-president-biden-to-catalyze-global-climate-action-through-the-major-economies-forum-on-energy-and-climate/
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Quote:you muat really have something against trees! were you attacked by a tree, as a child?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
so, quick! throw money at SECOND'S money-making schemes so he can save the world!
/snicker
*****
like with the first three waves of covid, it's not that i doubt the problem, it's the 'solutions' that i question. getting rid of gas stoves and air conditioners, and pushing evs??? wtf?? doesn't biden* have anything more effective to suggest?
SECOND
The only solution Signym suggested more than once was to plant a trillion trees. If all anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions ceased tomorrow, the half-lives of greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere, together with climate change-driven gas emissions from melting permafrost and methane clathrates ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate ) doom us to decades more of warming. The only ways to avert this are (1) carbon capture to actively remove gases from the air and/or (2) geoengineering on a planetary scale.
It has been suggested that we plant more trees since trees can sequester carbon from the atmosphere. The problems with that idea are:
• the consequences of global warming are coastal flooding, desertification and loss of fresh water; where would all those trees go?
actually, if you look at climate projections, while SOME areas are anticipated to get less rainfall, more areas are anticipated to have MORE rainfall. think about it a moment, SECOND, and it will come to you how this happens
Quote:arable land generally is NOT near a coast but in large areas of 'plains'. the higher latitudes in canada and siberia are predicted to warm, opeining them up to agriculture
• the world’s remaining forests are already being lost to agriculture, and that will only accelerate as arable land is lost to coastal flooding and desertification.
unlike you. i actually looked maps of climate projections. the current climate bands move northwards.as do the jet streams
Quote:like i said, you must have something against trees.
The GOP's new approach on climate was apparent in 2021. McCarthy and other GOP lawmakers, led by Arkansas Rep. Bruce Westerman, backed a bill to incentivize growing timber forests in the U.S. as part of a worldwide effort to plant 1 trillion trees. Westerman said he expects a similar proposal to advance this year.
https://www.nbcnews.com/scquptscience/environment/house-republicans-pr
opose-planting-trillion-trees-rcna94836
i don't know what the gop plan says. but planting trees is just ONE part of a larger effort, which includes REDUCING THE DOD'S GREENOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. something both 'establishment' wings of both parties oppose * also, better forestry practices, better agrcultural practices that increase carbon soil, solar in the sunshine states, etc
* this imho is the divding lne between those who are SERIOUS about climate change and those who are just poseurs (pretenders with a purpose). look at germany's 'green' party (which btw used to be antiwar until it was infiltrated): they're all 'green' until it comes to war in ukraine, then not at all.
the gop grew an anti-establishment wing b4 the dems. rfk jr represents the anti-establishment wing of the dems. let them fight it out.
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blah blah blah ... and more partisan politics
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Quote:The GOP's trillion tree project requires land that, at this moment, has no trees but will be planted with trees. How much land? About the size of the USA. Where is that land? If you could find the land, somewhere maybe in Antarctica or Greenland once the ice melts, you have to make sure forest fires don't put the CO2 back into the air.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Trump Administration Furthers Commitment to One Trillion Trees Initiative
10/13/2020
https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/trump-administration-furthers-commit
ment-one-trillion-trees-initiative
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And the Dem's 'plan'? Getting rid of gas stoves? Forcing everyone into EVs?
It's all bullshit, and proves that neither party establishment wants to do anything about climate change.
How about serious proposals from either party?
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Quote:What? You told a bitter joke that I have heard Trump-voting Texas oilmen tell! So funny.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And the Dem's 'plan'? Getting rid of gas stoves? Forcing everyone into EVs?
It's all bullshit, and proves that neither party establishment wants to do anything about climate change.
How about serious proposals from either party?
Getting serious: On August 16, 2022, Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act into law, marking the most significant action Congress has taken on clean energy and climate change in the nation’s history.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/cleanenergy/inflation-reduction-act-guidebo
ok/
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Now this could be something to really worry about.
The Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) – a large system of ocean currents that carry warm water from the tropics into the North Atlantic – could collapse by the middle of the century, or possibly any time from 2025 onward, because of human-caused climate change, a study published Tuesday suggests.
Such a collapse could trigger rapid weather and climate changes in the U.S., Europe and elsewhere. If it were to happen, it could bring about an ice age in Europe and sea-level rise in cities such as Boston and New York, as well as more potent storms and hurricanes along the East Coast.
It also could lead to drastically reduced amounts of rain and snowfall across the central and western U.S., the study's authors say.
The AMOC collapse is one of several dangerous climate "tipping points" scientists say are possible because of climate change.
How could climate change cause the AMOC to collapse?
Study co-authors Peter and Susanne Ditlevsen explained to USA TODAY how the collapse of the AMOC could occur: "Greenhouse gas emissions cause global warming, which speeds up the melting of Greenland ice. The melted freshwater entering the North Atlantic can then disrupt the AMOC, potentially causing major climate disruptions.
"When the increased meltwater from Greenland enters the North Atlantic, it's freshwater, which is lighter than the salty seawater around it," the Ditlevsens said. "This excess freshwater can disrupt the normal sinking of the salty water, weakening or even shutting down the AMOC. If the AMOC collapses, it can have far-reaching effects on weather patterns and ocean currents, leading to significant climate changes."
Studies in 2018 and 2021 have found that a collapse of the AMOC is possible at some point this century. What's new in this study?
Using new statistical tools and ocean temperature data from the past 150 years, researchers calculated that the AMOC will stop – with 95% certainty – between 2025 and 2095. "Using new and improved statistical tools, we’ve made calculations that provide a more robust estimate of when a collapse is most likely to occur, something we had not been able to do before," said study co-author Susanne Ditlevsen, a professor at the University of Copenhagen.
The researchers' prediction is based on observations of early warning signals ocean currents exhibit as they become unstable.
The calculations contradict the message of the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report, in which an abrupt change in the AMOC is considered "unlikely" this century.
"Our result underscores the importance of reducing global greenhouse gas emissions as soon as possible," said study co-author Peter Ditlevsen, also from the University of Copenhagen.
More at https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/weather/2023/07/25/atlantic-curren
t-collapse-possible-in-two-years-study-suggests/70434388007/
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Biden’s $250 billion lure to clean up the dirty legacy of fossil fuels
The International Energy Agency expects the world to invest about a billion dollars a day into solar in 2023, marking the first time the renewable has surpassed global investment in oil production. It’s astonishing growth for an industry that was in its infancy just a decade ago. And Jigar Shah, the director of the Loan Programs Office at the US Department of Energy, thinks his office should get partial credit for kick-starting the solar revolution.
The technology for solar has been well established for years, but the business case for installing it on a mass scale hasn’t developed as quickly. Around 20 years ago, there wasn’t a single large utility solar project in the US, and it was risky business to be the first. But that’s what the Loan Programs Office was created to accomplish in 2005, before being given an expanded mandate in 2009. It filled a gap where the private sector wouldn’t, by providing loans for innovative clean technologies that were not yet implemented on a mass scale.
“When you think about all the dominoes that fell to get to a billion dollars a day, we started that process,” Shah said in an interview last month with Vox. “We’re the ones who hit the first domino.”
Shah pointed out that the first five large-scale — 100-megawatt or more — solar plants in the US were all funded by the Loan Programs Office early in the Obama administration. A similar story was true for the rise of electric cars: The DOE office gave a $465 million loan to Tesla in 2010 to produce the successful Model S.
The Loan Programs Office has been dormant for over a decade. The Inflation Reduction Act along with the bipartisan infrastructure law rescued the office from obscurity but gave it a new challenge to tackle. Now, the Loan Programs Office has an expanded mandate from Congress to distribute up to $250 billion in loans to “retool, repower, repurpose, or replace energy infrastructure” for the Energy Infrastructure Reinvestment program (EIR).
The goals of the EIR are different than most of the Inflation Reduction Act’s spending. Congress passed the Inflation Reduction Act a year ago to usher in a new era of clean technology and manufacturing aimed at slashing US climate pollution. Billions of dollars of the climate law focuses on what it will build through tax credits, grants, and direct investments, technologies like heat pumps, electric cars, solar fields, offshore wind, power lines, and modern nuclear power.
What happens on the other side of the equation — the fossil fuel infrastructure left behind — is less clear. With 370 coal-fired power plant retirements announced in the past decade and more to come, this transition is already underway.
The DOE’s EIR has far-reaching potential to transform what we think of as traditional energy infrastructure, including utilities, power lines, and pipelines, as well as things like gas stations and hospitals. Executed in its full vision, the loans could help to lower climate pollution in the near term, but even more importantly, prove there’s a market for retooling the infrastructure we already have.
Abandoned gas stations could be put to new use through the EIR. Old gas stations are notoriously hard to reclaim and put to better use, but with more financing and an interested developer, they could be converted to EV charging stations.
More at https://www.vox.com/climate/23771835/biden-ira-climate-fossil-fuel-ene
rgy-investment
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South Korea emerges as key partner for America’s energy transition | July 24, 2023
Inside Climate News reports:
On June 22, the U.S. The Department of Energy announced that it will grant a $9.2 billion loan to BlueOval SK LLC (BOSK), a joint venture between Ford and SK On, a Korean battery manufacturer. The loan will be used to construct three manufacturing plants in Tennessee and Kentucky. Once operational, the facilities have the potential to displace 455 million gallons of gasoline annually by propelling the shift toward low-carbon transportation.
The loan, dubbed the “biggest government investment in the auto industry” since the 2009 recession, is evidence of the Biden administration’s efforts to strengthen the domestic supply chain for a clean energy transition. As the U.S. tries to kick off its renewable energy and battery manufacturing capabilities, it also needs help from overseas to quickly reach its net zero goals, and South Korea is emerging as a pivotal ally in America’s pursuit of an energy transition.
More at https://insideclimatenews.org/news/24072023/south-korea-emerges-as-key
-partner-for-americas-clean-energy-manufacturing/
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And HOW will these batteries be charged? Bc if you're using coal-fired plants, all you'll have is a coal-fired car.
That's what I don' get about the whole EV thing... normally smart people treat the battery as if it's a source of energy, but in reality it's just temporary storage.
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Quote:I have a 5-year contract with Shell Energy.
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And HOW will these batteries be charged? Bc if you're using coal-fired plants, all you'll have is a coal-fired car.
That's what I don' get about the whole EV thing... normally smart people treat the battery as if it's a source of energy, but in reality it's just temporary storage.
Where does Shell get the electricity? The Sun. Not from Coal. Not from Natural Gas.
https://shellenergy.com/business/decarbonization
This is probably obvious, but the purpose of an electric vehicle is defeated if the electricity is purchased from a fossil-fueled power plant.
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Modern ‘sixth mass extinction’ event will be worse than first predicted, says report
Tragically, the global mass extinction event that we find ourselves in the midst of will be even worse than originally predicted, according to a recent study ( https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/brv.12974 ). The international team of scientists came to their conclusion after analyzing population trends data for more than 71,000 animal species — including mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish and insects — from around the world to see how their numbers have changed since record-keeping first began.
Generally, scientists agree that an extinction event is occurring when species vanish much faster than they are replaced. A mass extinction event is usually defined as losing 75% of the world’s species in a short period of geological time — less than 2.8 million years, according to the Natural History Museum ( https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/what-is-mass-extinction-and-are-we-faci
ng-a-sixth-one.html ).
Previous research has established that the current rates of extinction are between 1000-10,000 times higher than “background” extinction rates, which has led some scientists to argue that life on Earth has entered its sixth mass extinction event. But uniquely, when compared to the planet’s previous five mass extinction events, this is the first mass extinction event that is the result of the actions of just one species — humans.
More at https://www.forbes.com/sites/grrlscientist/2023/07/19/modern-sixth-mas
s-extinction-event-will-be-worse-than-first-predicted/
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Modern ‘sixth mass extinction’ event will be worse than first predicted, says report
Tragically, the global mass extinction event that we find ourselves in the midst of will be even worse than originally predicted, according to a recent study ( https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/brv.12974 ). The international team of scientists came to their conclusion after analyzing population trends data for more than 71,000 animal species — including mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish and insects — from around the world to see how their numbers have changed since record-keeping first began.
Generally, scientists agree that an extinction event is occurring when species vanish much faster than they are replaced. A mass extinction event is usually defined as losing 75% of the world’s species in a short period of geological time — less than 2.8 million years, according to the Natural History Museum ( https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/what-is-mass-extinction-and-are-we-faci
ng-a-sixth-one.html ).
Previous research has established that the current rates of extinction are between 1000-10,000 times higher than “background” extinction rates, which has led some scientists to argue that life on Earth has entered its sixth mass extinction event. But uniquely, when compared to the planet’s previous five mass extinction events, this is the first mass extinction event that is the result of the actions of just one species — humans.
More at https://www.forbes.com/sites/grrlscientist/2023/07/19/modern-sixth-mas
s-extinction-event-will-be-worse-than-first-predicted/
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I have a 5-year contract with Shell Energy.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And HOW will these batteries be charged? Bc if you're using coal-fired plants, all you'll have is a coal-fired car.
That's what I don' get about the whole EV thing... normally smart people treat the battery as if it's a source of energy, but in reality it's just temporary storage.
Where does Shell get the electricity? The Sun. Not from Coal. Not from Natural Gas.
https://shellenergy.com/business/decarbonization
Bullshit.
You have a coal powered car. Electricity isn't magic.
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'Heat Islands' Have City-Dwellers Swelter In A Concrete Jungle
Across all 44 cities, the total population living in census tracts with an UHI [urban heat index] index of 8°F or higher is 41 million—or about 55% of the 74 million people included in this analysis.
https://www.climatecentral.org/climate-matters/urban-heat-islands-2023
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How to redesign cities to withstand heat waves
Trees, green roofs, and white paint
https://www.vox.com/22557563/how-to-redesign-cities-for-heat-waves-cli
mate-change
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And HOW will these batteries be charged? Bc if you're using coal-fired plants, all you'll have is a coal-fired car.
That's what I don' get about the whole EV thing... normally smart people treat the battery as if it's a source of energy, but in reality it's just temporary storage.
SECOND::I have a 5-year contract with Shell Energy.
Where does Shell get the electricity? The Sun. Not from Coal.
Bully for you.
So, OOC what is the greenhouse gas cost of making solar cells and all of those lithium batteries? Is that a net negative or positive?
You claim to have been an engineer? HA!
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Quote:Oh my goodness! The Cost! The Cost! Instead, let's plant a trillion trees, your favorite cost-free project to save the world, Signym. (President Trump Signs One Trillion Trees Executive Order https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/articles/president-trump-signs-on
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Bully for you.
So, OOC what is the greenhouse gas cost of making solar cells and all of those lithium batteries? Is that a net negative or positive?
You claim to have been an engineer? HA!
e-trillion-trees-executive-order-promoting-conservation-regeneration-nations-forests/ )
In real news that will save the world, unlike Trump's Trillion Trees:
The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission approved a major new rule Thursday to accelerate the connection of energy projects to the power grid, a move that could ease widespread delays stifling renewable energy.
There are over 2,000 gigawatts of proposed U.S. solar, wind and battery storage projects seeking to come online through what’s known as the interconnection process, according to Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. That’s greater than the electric capacity of all of the power plants already on the nation’s grid today. Too bad about all the Republican-owned coal-burning power plants that will be forced into shutdown by the excess capacity of cheaper electricity.
The sheer volume of proposed projects has overwhelmed the longstanding grid connection process. It took an average of five years for new electricity projects that were built last year to be studied and approved for connection, compared to less than two years in 2008, Berkeley Lab has estimated.
Clean energy developers say the grid connection process has become a major impediment to meeting states’ renewable energy policies and realizing the goals of last year’s Inflation Reduction Act. "Every single Republican in Congress voted against the Inflation Reduction Act" because Climate Change Is A Chinese Hoax. Instead, Republicans wanted Trump's Trillion Trees. https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1582491715772071936?lang=en
Under the new FERC rule, grid operators and electric utilities will need to change how they study energy projects and will now be subject to firm deadlines and penalties if they fail to process connection requests on time. Proposed electricity projects will be studied in groups, rather than individually, and projects that are further along in the development process will be prioritized.
“The rule provides a strong baseline, based on best practices and lessons learned from around the country, to ensure all utilities are making strides towards breaking through their own interconnection logjams,” said Commissioner Allison Clements, a Democrat.
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And HOW will these batteries be charged? Bc if you're using coal-fired plants, all you'll have is a coal-fired car.
That's what I don' get about the whole EV thing... normally smart people treat the battery as if it's a source of energy, but in reality it's just temporary storage.
SECOND::I have a 5-year contract with Shell Energy.
Where does Shell get the electricity? The Sun. Not from Coal.
Bully for you.
So, OOC what is the greenhouse gas cost of making solar cells and all of those lithium batteries? Is that a net negative or positive?
You claim to have been an engineer? HA!
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Let's not forget that we already have grid shortages in states that are forcing coal burning cars and they refuse to build any nuclear plants to feed them.
What do you suppose will happen when even just 1 Million more of these things are on the road, let alone 10 Million or 100 Million.
Early adopter jagoffs who are paying huge bucks for experimental technology that will fail early and often on them get to brag about 5 years of "free" magic electricity in their contracts. They'll also have no ability to sell the car to anybody unless that person is extremely stupid like the original buyer was, since replacing the car battery will cost $25k to $30k compared to $100 to $200 for a car battery in actual cars.
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Quote:You missed the part where they are building enough green power plants to double the electric generation capacity of the US:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Let's not forget that we already have grid shortages in states that are forcing coal burning cars and they refuse to build any nuclear plants to feed them.
What do you suppose will happen when even just 1 Million more of these things are on the road, let alone 10 Million or 100 Million.
There are over 2,000 gigawatts of proposed U.S. solar, wind and battery storage projects seeking to come online through what’s known as the interconnection process, according to Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. That’s greater than the electric capacity of all of the power plants already on the nation’s grid today. Too bad about all the Republican-owned coal-burning power plants that will be forced into shutdown by the excess capacity of cheaper electricity.
The sheer volume of proposed projects has overwhelmed the longstanding grid connection process. It took an average of five years for new electricity projects that were built last year to be studied and approved for connection, compared to less than two years in 2008, Berkeley Lab has estimated.
Clean energy developers say the grid connection process has become a major impediment to meeting states’ renewable energy policies and realizing the goals of last year’s Inflation Reduction Act. "Every single Republican in Congress voted against the Inflation Reduction Act" because Climate Change Is A Chinese Hoax. Instead, Republicans wanted Trump's Trillion Trees. https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1582491715772071936?lang=en
Quote:You also missed the story that Tesla has been a fraudulent EV manufacturer from the very start.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Early adopter jagoffs who are paying huge bucks for experimental technology that will fail early and often on them get to brag about 5 years of "free" magic electricity in their contracts. They'll also have no ability to sell the car to anybody unless that person is extremely stupid like the original buyer was, since replacing the car battery will cost $25k to $30k compared to $100 to $200 for a car battery in actual cars.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+battery+fraud
But being a fraud has worked well for Tesla owner Elon Musk. The total stock market value of Tesla was more than that of all other auto companies combined. Tesla’s Market Cap (Gigantic) v. Next 10 Automakers v. Tesla’s Global Market Share (Minuscule)
https://wolfstreet.com/2021/10/26/teslas-market-cap-gigantic-v-next-10
-automakers-v-teslas-global-market-share-minuscule/
Eventually, the stock market will understand that Musk and Tesla are frauds. That does not mean EVs are.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You missed the part where they are building enough green power plants to double the electric generation capacity of the US:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Let's not forget that we already have grid shortages in states that are forcing coal burning cars and they refuse to build any nuclear plants to feed them.
What do you suppose will happen when even just 1 Million more of these things are on the road, let alone 10 Million or 100 Million.
No. I didn't miss that lie.
Regardless...
Even in the alternate timeline where that lie was true, you use more electricity charging your car every month than I do for everything I use electricity for in a month, not including the additional use during summer for A/C. Twice as much capacity will not be nearly enough, and the more of you idiots out there charging your cars up on coal, the higher people who use electricity for just basic living things in their home will have to pay for that electricity to subsidize your addiction.
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Bully for you.
So, OOC what is the greenhouse gas cost of making solar cells and all of those lithium batteries? Is that a net negative or positive?
You claim to have been an engineer? HA!
SECOND: Oh my goodness! The Cost! The Cost!
Yes indeed! Let's not concern ouselves with whether what we're doing or proposing WILL WORK! Just as long as SECOND can virtue signal to try to justify his carbon-wasting existence and investments! HEY SECOND, HOW'S THAT OIL BARONY AND PRIVATE JET OF YOURS?
Quote:And let's grossly lie about my posts so you can present a FALSE DILEMMA!
SECOND: a trillion trees, your favorite cost-free project
A) Reforesting is just ONE weapon in the arsenal to fight climate change (including solar and switching from coal and oil to natgas)
B) AND it's not cost-free, but - UNLIKE EV- it doesn't have a lot of follow-on environmentally destructive consequences from mining, refining, and production; and questionable greenhouse gas emission reductions.
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SECOND: The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission approved a major new rule Thursday to accelerate the connection of energy projects to the power grid, a move that could ease widespread delays stifling renewable energy.
There are over 2,000 gigawatts of proposed U.S. solar, wind and battery storage projects seeking to come online through what’s known as the interconnection process, according to Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. That’s greater than the electric capacity of all of the power plants already on the nation’s grid today. Too bad about all the Republican-owned coal-burning power plants that will be forced into shutdown by the excess capacity of cheaper electricity.
Good news? I'll believe it when I see it! The biggest problem with solar and wind is that it is intermittant . Which means you need ginormous energy storage capacity to power thru those dead times, like what happened to Britain for 10 days when the sun didn't shine AND the wind didn't blow.
You claim to have been an engineer?
Engineers are supposed to design for failure.
HA!
You just like to ride your EV-powered hobby-horse!
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Quote:You made one good point which this article backs with some numbers:
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B) AND it's not cost-free, but - UNLIKE EV- it doesn't have a lot of follow-on environmentally destructive consequences from mining, refining, and production; and questionable greenhouse gas emission reductions.
We Need More Hybrid Cars and Fewer EVs. Here’s Why
https://www.thedrive.com/features/toyota-is-right-we-need-more-hybrid-
cars-and-fewer-evs-heres-why
So far, the government has favored the shiny, hype-driven solution of fast-tracking EV adoption, when the math suggests that’s suboptimal—at least for the short and medium term. If anything, it’s probably fair to say the over-emphasis on EVs is slowing the decarbonization of the auto industry for the time being. We can’t afford to overlook the role hybrids have to play here and now in favor of a far-flung future where every car on the road is pure electric.
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As the world confronts the reality of the climate crisis, the GOP remains stuck in denial
Republican climate deniers are quick to dismiss the dire impacts.
“There is a very scientific word for this: It’s called summer,” Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) told HuffPost when asked about the heat on Thursday. “It’s no hotter right now than it’s ever been. I’ve been in this heat all my life in July and August as a football coach. This world’s not heating up, come on.”
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/climate-change-heat-republicans_n_64c3c
5bfe4b024f8ebc870f5
Right-wing groups recently crafted a 920-page “battle plan” — dubbed Project 2025 — to guide a future Republican administration in dismantling environmental regulations and stymying federal climate action.
https://www.eenews.net/articles/battle-plan-how-the-far-right-would-di
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
B) AND it's not cost-free, but - UNLIKE EV- it doesn't have a lot of follow-on environmentally destructive consequences from mining, refining, and production; and questionable greenhouse gas emission reductions.
We Need More Hybrid Cars and Fewer EVs. Here’s Why
https://www.thedrive.com/features/toyota-is-right-we-need-more-hybrid-
cars-and-fewer-evs-heres-why
So far, the government has favored the shiny, hype-driven solution of fast-tracking EV adoption, when the math suggests that’s suboptimal—at least for the short and medium term. If anything, it’s probably fair to say the over-emphasis on EVs is slowing the decarbonization of the auto industry for the time being. We can’t afford to overlook the role hybrids have to play here and now in favor of a far-flung future where every car on the road is pure electric.
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No shit, Sherlock. The most effective way of decarbonizing transportation is to
a) switch to natgas instead of gasoline. That way instead of burning appx two hydrogens per carbon you'll burn four hydrogens per carbon, and
b) burn the natgas to run a generator to charge a battery. That way the engine can run efficiently at constant RPMs and the electric motor can make use of regenerative braking.
But hey! Before our thoughts get siloed into technical arcana ... What about that WAR in Ukraine??? And all that fuel being burned and all that materiel being made just to be destroyed?? Doesn't it seem like a profligate emission of greenhouse gases in an orgy of destruction? Bc it seems like every 'liberal' is all hot to trot to solve climate change, unless it's WAR!!! And then climate change can go to hell.
Seems like we need to be banging some Big Ideas together in our heads, ideas that generally don't get banged together. What is more important, war or climate change?
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Quote:The last time Russia controlled Ukraine, Russians killed 4 million Ukrainians. Signym, does that suggest why Ukraine didn't immediately surrender when Russia invaded?
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But hey! Before our thoughts get siloed into technical arcana ... What about that WAR in Ukraine??? And all that fuel being burned and all that materiel being made just to be destroyed?? Doesn't it seem like a profligate emission of greenhouse gases in an orgy of destruction? Bc it seems like every 'liberal' is all hot to trot to solve climate change, unless it's WAR!!! And then climate change can go to hell.
Seems like we need to be banging some Big Ideas together in our heads, ideas that generally don't get banged together. What is more important, war or climate change?
And Russia stayed in the European countries it conquered during WWII until the collapse of the Soviet Union. Signym, does that suggest why the European Union sends ammo to Ukraine?
And Russia threatened to nuke the UK and USA only yesterday. Signym, does that suggest why the UK and USA send ammo to Ukraine?
Because the Ukrainian War didn't end with a quick surrender, the world is going green instead of continuing to burn Russian fossil fuel:
Why the war in Ukraine is pushing Europe’s militaries to decarbonize
https://www.politico.eu/article/war-ukraine-push-europe-militaries-dec
arbonize-fossil-fuels/
Putin the Green? The Unintended Consequences of Russia’s Energy War on Europe
https://www.fpri.org/article/2023/02/putin-the-green-the-unintended-co
nsequences-of-russias-energy-war-on-europe/
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In the first half of 2023, Toyota Motor North America sold a total of 270,476 EVs, including hybrids, which make up 26% of the company’s total sales volume. June saw 51,535 EVs sold, making up 26.4% of monthly sales
https://www.torquenews.com/8113/toyotas-impressive-2023-electrified-ve
hicle-sales-showcase-consumer-shift
Toyota recently announced plans for an EV with a 900-mile range after just 10 minutes of charging. Toyota claims it has made a breakthrough in solid-state battery manufacturing that will actually make this product easier to produce than lithium batteries.
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-tech/solid-state-battery-toyota-ev-r
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Quote:The red-state backlash against electric vehicles is incoherent — and gaining steam
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Republicans are trying to stymie the transition to EVs, but their motivations are a confusing mashup of anti-Biden posturing and grievance politics.
A few years ago, it was not uncommon to spot internal-combustion engine (ICE) vehicles deliberately parked in electric vehicle-only spots, usually near an EV charging station, effectively blocking access to that charger. It was an anti-social way for aggrieved gas-powered car owners to express contempt for these new vehicles.
Now a bunch of Republicans are taking the concept of “getting ICE’d” to the next logical conclusion. Not content to simply obstruct a parking spot, they are instead looking to stymie the growth of EVs through ill-considered policy decisions. Their reasons are varied: some are trying to protect the oil and gas industry, while others simply want to stick it to Joe Biden or “own the libs.” But they are part of a growing trend of red states that are, in essence, parking their big, gas-powered vehicles in the path of progress.
Republican lawmakers characterize EVs as a “misadventure” that will gobble up massive amounts of electric power and threaten the incumbent oil and gas industry, which employs thousands of workers. For a political party that purports to love freedom as much as they do, it’s a baffling position to actively seek to limit the purchasing choices of the American car buyer.
To be sure, there is little coherence to the backlash against EVs. It’s a melange of anti-Biden / anti-California posturing mixed with concern trolling over the environmental impact of mining for battery minerals (a real issue but less detrimental to the environment than the collective tailpipe emissions of all our cars), with a dash of grievance politics over “socialist” state governments dictating what kind of car you’re allowed to buy. Tucker Carlson hit all these points in a rambling segment last year, in which he called EVs “terrible for the environment”.
More at https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/19/23562259/red-state-ev-bill-wyoming-
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Can We Sue Our Way Out of the Climate Crisis? (It worked with tobacco. )
By Mary Harris, July 30, 2023
It’s deceptively hard to get an answer to the question “How hot is it?” these days. But if you look closely, you’ll get the gist. In El Paso, Texas, they have clocked triple-digit temperatures for more than a month at this point. In Florida, it’s getting hot enough that coral reefs are dying. And in Las Vegas, the concrete sidewalks are a sizzling 144 degrees.
Dharna Noor knows all about the heat. She covers the climate for the Guardian. For her, this summer has felt both horrifying and inevitable. But Noor is particularly interested in climate solutions. And I called her up to talk about a tactic she’s seeing more and more these days—local municipalities, and even just individual people, taking climate change to court.
Sometimes, it’s people suing the government, trying to get it to regulate greenhouse gases better. Sometimes, it’s the government suing oil companies over their role in the climate disaster. And, sure, litigation is not new, but, Noor says, the broad implications of this litigation are.
“The new trend that we’ve seen explode over the past five years is this idea of holding somebody responsible for climate change itself. So, not the emissions from a particular coal-fired power plant or the emissions related to one specific highway,” Noor said, “but rather this idea that climate change itself has been created by specific actors.”
Worldwide, there are hundreds of these lawsuits. Can we sue our way out of the climate crisis? Probably not. But on a recent episode of What Next, we looked into why a heck of a lot of lawyers are trying. Our conversation has been condensed and edited for clarity.
More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/07/climate-change-solutions-l
awsuits-rico-big-oil-exxon-chevron-accountability.html
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The red-state backlash against electric vehicles is incoherent — and gaining steam
Republicans are trying to stymie the transition to EVs, but their motivations are a confusing mashup of anti-Biden posturing and grievance politics.
A few years ago, it was not uncommon to spot internal-combustion engine (ICE) vehicles deliberately parked in electric vehicle-only spots, usually near an EV charging station, effectively blocking access to that charger. It was an anti-social way for aggrieved gas-powered car owners to express contempt for these new vehicles.
I've never even seen an EV charging station.
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Quote:And then, Ukrainians and Russians live peaceabley together for 70 years, 30-35% of Ukrainians spoke Russian, and Ukrainians freely elected neutral or Pro-Russian Presidents over and over again!
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But hey! Before our thoughts get siloed into technical arcana ... What about that WAR in Ukraine??? And all that fuel being burned and all that materiel being made just to be destroyed?? Doesn't it seem like a profligate emission of greenhouse gases in an orgy of destruction? Bc it seems like every 'liberal' is all hot to trot to solve climate change, unless it's WAR!!! And then climate change can go to hell.
Seems like we need to be banging some Big Ideas together in our heads, ideas that generally don't get banged together. What is more important, war or climate change?\
SECOND: The last time Russia controlled Ukraine, Russians killed 4 million Ukrainians.
Your brain is STUCK, SECOND! Look at us and Japan: We watonly nuked two big Japanese cities. Do they HATE us? Do they grind on endlessly, over and over, about our barbarity?
No. They're not stuck like YOU are. Or Germany. Or Europe as a whole: Germany and Italy were the two Axis powers, and France (and Poland, Sweden, Hungary, Spain and other European nations) either openly (Vichy France) or tacitly supported Nazism. We trounced the western front, and occupied them UNTIL TODAY. Do they hate us? Do they grind on and on and on and on with their historical grudge bc we killed thousands of their citizens and denied them their nazi governments? THEY DO NOT.
Ukrainians didn't either. It wasn't until the USA spent $5 BILLION dollars (per Vickie Nuland) sowing and feeding anti-Russian sentiment through its State Dept affiliated NGOs like AID and NED and their various spinoffs (from at least 2000), and drove a wedge into the heart of Ukraine. THEN ARMED UKRAINE TO THE TEETH to use it as a proxy gainst Russia.
You think it can't be done? LOOK AT THE USA TODAY. HOW MANY 'INTEREST GROUPS' HAVE WE BEEN FRACTURED INTO? WOMEN'S RIGHTS, BLM, ANTIFA, EXTENICTION REBELIION, LGBTQ+ etc etc.
Quote:AND WE STAYED IN THE REMAINDER. How many bases have we had in Germany since then? How many in Italy? Spain? Greece? How many installations? How throughly are their politial parties and their media and security agencies infiltrated by the CIA?
SECOND: And Russia stayed in the European countries it conquered during WWII
Vver hear of Operation Gladio?
Quote:I know why they did it: they are vassal states of the USA.
SECOND: Signym, does that suggest why the European Union sends ammo to Ukraine?
Most of this was economically driven. After WWII it was beneficial to be a NATO member state. The USA aided Germany directly thru the Marshall plan and indirectly to NATO members by 'taking care of' their defense spending. And of course the CIA and State Dept were busy removing all potentially pro-communist groups from Germany and Italy and taking over their media, especially in Germany. We blasted all of Europe with Rsio Free Europe. They had the imprssion that the streets here were paved with bold.
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Udo Ulfkotte reveals in his bestseller Bought Journalists, how he was “taught to lie, to betray and not to tell the truth to the public.”
The former editor of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, which is one of Germany’s largest newspapers, was secretly on the payroll of the CIA and German secret service, spinning the news in a way that was positive for the United States and bad for its opponents.
And they're STILL doing it today! Coverage of Nordstream sabotage?? Nil! Coverage of the war in Ukraine and its antecendents? DELUSIONAL. German politics? INFILTRATED. The Green Party, formerly anti-war and pro-environment and pro-human, is now pro-war, pro-transnationalist and anti-human.
Anywho SECOND, if you could mange to stop grinding on and on about something which, in reality, has no bearing on today's eve
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Quote:I guess you missed that Putin denies that Holodomor happened and denies that the 4 million dead Ukrainians are Russia's fault. Ukrainians are very aware of Putin's false explanations for invading rather than him speaking about his true motivation: theft of land.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Anywho SECOND, if you could mange to stop grinding on and on about something which, in reality, has no bearing on today's events, maybe you could move into the real world.
https://education.holodomor.ca/teaching-materials/holodomor-denial-sil
ences/
You missed that Russia stole Japanese islands at the end of WWII and Japan, even today, wants those islands returned. One more example of Russia's theft of land.
https://www.mofa.go.jp/region/europe/russia/territory/overview.html
https://www.csis.org/blogs/new-perspectives-asia/russias-militarizatio
n-kuril-islands
If the US left Okinawa then Japan would be very pleased. On the other hand, GOP congressmen would be very angry which is the same reason Guantanamo Bay Naval Base still holds prisoners and has not been returned to Cuba. For example, GOP Congressmen were very angry when the Panama Canal Zone was returned to Panama.
https://libguides.gwu.edu/okinawa/militarybases/maps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban%E2%80%93American_Treaty_of_Relatio
ns_(1903)#Cuban_perspectives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrijos%E2%80%93Carter_Treaties#Critici
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Quote:And if Putin "recognized" the Holdomor, what would that change? The people who committed it, and the immediate relatives of the victims, died decades ago. Yeah, ok, it happened. It should be acknowledged (altho it's not that anyone denies it happene, it's just whether or not it was technically 'genocide' since it wasn't aimed only at Ukrainians but at ALL land-owning farmers... but I digress).
Originally posted by second:Quote:I guess you missed that Putin denies that Holodomor happened and denies that the 4 million dead Ukrainians are Russia's fault. Ukrainians are very aware of Putin's false explanations for invading rather than him speaking about his true motivation: theft of land.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Anywho SECOND, if you could mange to stop grinding on and on about something which, in reality, has no bearing on today's events, maybe you could move into the real world.
https://education.holodomor.ca/teaching-materials/holodomor-denial-sil
ences/
You missed that Russia stole Japanese islands at the end of WWII and Japan, even today, wants those islands returned. One more example of Russia's theft of land.
https://www.mofa.go.jp/region/europe/russia/territory/overview.html
https://www.csis.org/blogs/new-perspectives-asia/russias-militarizatio
n-kuril-islands
If the US left Okinawa then Japan would be very pleased. On the other hand, GOP congressmen would be very angry which is the same reason Guantanamo Bay Naval Base still holds prisoners and has not been returned to Cuba. For example, GOP Congressmen were very angry when the Panama Canal Zone was returned to Panama.
https://libguides.gwu.edu/okinawa/militarybases/maps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban%E2%80%93American_Treaty_of_Relatio
ns_(1903)#Cuban_perspectives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrijos%E2%80%93Carter_Treaties#Critici
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I think you and the rest of the neocons... and their conditioned dupes and satraps... are the only ones who keep that laser focus on something that happened over 70 years ago bc it's such a convenient PROPAGANDA POINT.
It's like today's Jews ..Remember the Holocaust!. They create a permanent victim status that lets them get away with their current atrocities. How about. . REMEMBER THE PRESENT!
AND NOW BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED TOPIC.
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Quote:Russia doesn't even stop for Sundays -- Another threat to nuke the world:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And if Putin "recognized" the Holdomor, what would that change?
If Ukraine’s ongoing counteroffensive against Moscow’s invasion captures Russian territory, there would be no alternative to using strategic nuclear weapons, Russia’s Dmitry Medvedev warned on Sunday. Strategic means nuking the US, just in case you missed the point, Signym. By the way, "captures Russian territory" means Ukraine recaptures Ukrainian territory that Russia happens to control this Sunday, Signym. Russians are very quick about claiming Ukrainian land as always being Russian land.
“There would simply be no other way out” of using nuclear weapons if the Ukrainian offensive succeeded in taking Russian territory, Medvedev, former Russian president and current National Security Council deputy chairman, said in a post on social media.
“Just imagine that the NATO-supported ukrobanderovtsy’s offensive turned out successful, and they took away a part of our land: Then we would have to, following the president’s degree of 02.06.2020, use the nuclear weapon,” Medvedev wrote, referring to followers of Stepan Bandera, a nationalist leader who waged a violent campaign for Ukrainian independence in the 1930s and 1940s.
“That’s why our enemies must worship our warriors. They are keeping global nuclear fire from flaring up,” Medvedev said, referring to Russian efforts to stop the Ukrainian offensive.
Medvedev has not been shy in using Russia’s nuclear arsenal to threaten Ukraine and its Western supporters. During Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin’s failed coup, Medvedev said the rebellion could lead to a nuclear war.
Before that, Medvedev had said that the war in Ukraine could be “brought to an end within a few days” by doing what “the Americans did in 1945 when they deployed nuclear weapons and bombed two Japanese cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-dmitry-medvedev-ukraine-counter
offensive-russia-invasion-war-nuclear-weapons/
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So maybe we shouldn't have armed Ukraine and pushed it to invade or destabilize Russia? Which was our plan all along.
This whole Ukraine war?
Strictly a creation of the USA neocons. SURELY you haven't forgotten all of YOUR slavering plans to regime change Russia, break it up ('decolonize') it and reap all of those resources that were 'unfairly' located in Russia???
You reap what you sow.
And now, if you could get off your delusional obsessions... RUSSIA! TRUMP! TRUMPTARDS! and stick with the topic?
*****
BTW, your obsessive hatred of the 'enemy du jour' is a GREAT example of why we will never solve climate change ... or avoid nuclear holocaust. Your obsessions trump real-world consequences.
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Quote:Project 2025 is the GOP's blueprint for Climate Change.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW, your obsessive hatred of the 'enemy du jour' is a GREAT example of why we will never solve climate change ... or avoid nuclear holocaust. Your obsessions trump real-world consequences.
In a summer of 110-degree heat waves and killer floods, GOPers draft a 2025 scheme to end all action on climate change.
While you were turning up the air-conditioning or trying to find an open city pool, the brain trust of the conservative movement were spending $22 million to craft a 950-page plan called Project 2025 that (among other things) is a blueprint for unconditional surrender in the war on climate change. The scheme drafted by the Heritage Foundation and other think tanks that have guided GOP administrations since Ronald Reagan wouldn’t just halt the desperately needed transition to clean energy and electric cars, but restore the unchecked hegemony of burning fossil fuels.
https://www.eenews.net/articles/battle-plan-how-the-far-right-would-di
smantle-climate-programs/
Some specifics:
• Blocking the expansion of the electrical grid to accommodate clean energy sources like wind and solar.
• Eliminating three offices within the Department of Energy promoting the renewable power transition.
• Wiping out funding for environmental justice work in the U.S. Department of Environmental Protection.
• Massive growth of the natural gas infrastructure such as pipelines.
• Ensuring that no other states win approval for the kind of strict electric car guidelines being implemented in California.
• The EPA and other key agencies would be radically downsized and placed under the care of right-wing pro-fossil fuel zealots.
• It even includes restrictions on new scientific research.
The conservatives behind Project 2025 aren’t shy about touting the radical, reactionary nature of their environmental blueprint.
“Project 2025 is not a white paper. We are not tinkering at the edges. We are writing a battle plan, and we are marshaling our forces,” Paul Dans, the Project 2025 director with the Heritage Foundation, told Politico’s E&E News. “Never before has the whole conservative movement banded together to systematically prepare to take power day one and deconstruct the administrative state.”
Genevieve Guenther, a scientist who founded the organization End Climate Silence, agreed with one aspect of Project 2025 — that it is, indeed, a battle plan, and a wakeup call for people on the other side who want action on the warming planet. “The war being waged is against our children’s future, she posted on the former Twitter now known as X, adding: “Elections matter!”
More at https://web.archive.org/web/20230730215823/https://www.inquirer.com/op
inion/commentary/project-2025-gop-plan-climate-change-20230730.html
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Stop bagging on the GOP. Nobody here is claiming the GOP has a brilliant approach. Their plan suckS. So does the DNC's. Does it really matter that the GOP plan sucks when both parties are off by orders of magnitude bc they refuse to touch one of our many third rails?
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Quote:The GOP's plan is to claim that Climate Change Is A Chinese Hoax. So long as the Chinese have not reduced their CO2 to zero there is no reason for the USA to do anything since that would make the USA noncompetitive with China, destroy America, burden American workers, raise taxes, make Americans suffer and die, whatever lies the GOP thinks you will believe.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Stop bagging on the GOP. Nobody here is claiming the GOP has a brilliant approach. Their plan suckS. So does the DNC's. Does it really matter that the GOP plan sucks when both parties are off by orders of magnitude bc they refuse to touch one of our many third rails?
On the other hand, the Democrats have an actual plan that will work and they have already passed legislation and are doing the job. https://www.google.com/search?q=democrats+plan+for+climate+change
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Quote:And here I was, thinking that you JUST told me -more than once! - that the GOP plan was to plant a trillion trees!
Originally posted by second:Quote:The GOP's plan is to claim that Climate Change Is A Chinese Hoax. So long as the Chinese have not reduced their CO2 to zero there is no reason for the USA to do anything since that would make the USA noncompetitive with China, destroy America, burden American workers, raise taxes, make Americans suffer and die, whatever lies the GOP thinks you will believe.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Stop bagging on the GOP. Nobody here is claiming the GOP has a brilliant approach. Their plan suckS. So does the DNC's. Does it really matter that the GOP plan sucks when both parties are off by orders of magnitude bc they refuse to touch one of our many third rails?
On the other hand, the Democrats have an actual plan that will work and they have already passed legislation and are doing the job. https://www.google.com/search?q=democrats+plan+for+climate+change
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Your brain is so fucked, SECOND, you can't even keep your hate straight!
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Quote:You never did read Trump's executive order about planting a trillion trees. It was actually a tax giveaway to the lumber industry with the justification that it would prevent climate change. The giveaway of tax money was real and the prevention of climate change was fake, Fake, FAKE:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And here I was, thinking that you JUST told me -more than once! - that the GOP plan was to plant a trillion trees!
Your brain is so fucked, SECOND, you can't even keep your hate straight!
The idea of planting one trillion trees had one enormous political advantage: It was practically sacrifice-free, no war on coal, no transition from fossil fuels, no energy conservation or investment in renewable sources of power that Mr. Trump loves to mock, like the windmills that cause cancer or the solar panels that are not “strong enough.”
The trillion trees initiative migrated from Mr. Benioff’s PowerPoint presentations to the president’s pronouncements, first at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, last month, then his State of the Union address last week, is a study in ad hoc policymaking at the Trump White House. A personal appeal from a celebrity voice got the idea past traditional gatekeepers. A back channel through Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, gave it life, and a re-election campaign that has sought to soften some of Mr. Trump’s sharper edges ensured its publicity.
It is far from clear that the United States government will actually plant any trees, or that a trillion trees would do much in the near term to stop the worst effects of planetary warming. Tom Crowther, an environmental scientist and an author of the study that sparked the movement, cautioned that the full benefits would not be seen for about 100 years, when most of the new trees would reach full maturity. During that time, he said, the world needs to drive down fossil fuel emissions.
“If tree planting is just used as an excuse to avoid cutting greenhouse gas emissions or to further limit environmental protection, then it could be a real disaster,” said Dr. Crowther, who studies ecosystem ecology at ETH Zurich.
But such details might be beside the point for a White House initiative that is heavier on politics than science. One senior administration official described the tree initiative as one the president believes will “bring people together.”
“We’re committed to conserving the majesty of God’s creation and the natural beauty of our world,” Mr. Trump told investors and world leaders in Davos.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/12/climate/trump-trees-climate-change.
html
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Fuck your EVs.
We're using gasoline.
Mountain Valley Gets SCOTUS Approval
https://www.realclearenergy.org/2023/07/28/mountain_valley_gets_scotus
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Quote:You are yelling "Get a horse!" to the people who own Model T Fords. You will remain bitter until you can afford your own used Model T. The previous owner traded in his Model T for a Chevy. Then you will remain bitter that you cannot afford a Chevy but have to drive a worn-out piece of junk because you are angry poor white trash. This is as America has always been, even back to the days when Americans who had to work in the fields were bitter at those who could afford to own slaves.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Fuck your EVs.
We're using gasoline.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You are yelling "Get a horse!" to the people who own Model T Fords. You will remain bitter until you can afford your own used Model T. The previous owner traded in his Model T for a Chevy. Then you will remain bitter that you cannot afford a Chevy but have to drive a worn-out piece of junk because you are angry poor white trash. This is as America has always been, even back to the days when Americans who had to work in the fields were bitter at those who could afford to own slaves.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Fuck your EVs.
We're using gasoline.
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You're getting colder.
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Ford set to lose $4.5 billion on electric vehicles this year, despite increased revenue
Ford recently dropped the price of its electric F-150 Lightning pickup truck
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/ford-set-lose-billion-electric-
vehicles-year-despite-increased-revenue
Looks like you overpaid for that Ford F150 Lightning you wish you had.
Ford lost 1.5 times what it expected to lose on Coal Burning Cars this year, and twice what it lost last year.
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Anybody been talking about the new fuel? Comes from air, captures Oxygen from CO2, requires ZERO modifications to existing gas combustion engines?
Currently $11 per gallon, but getting reduced.
Pro Racing will have a year or 2 of running on it, Porsche is leading research.
Greens hate it, will eliminate their power of scare tactics over everybody.
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Quote:That means Ford is bad at business, not that electric cars are bad for business. Toyota’s Big Earnings Surprise: It’s More Profitable Than Tesla, Updated Aug. 1, 2023
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Ford lost 1.5 times what it expected to lose on Coal Burning Cars this year, and twice what it lost last year.
Move over Tesla. Toyota Motor is the most profitable automaker once again. The change, revealed in Toyota earnings, shows how competitive the electric-vehicle market is getting, and what Tesla is doing to expand sales rapidly.
https://www.barrons.com/articles/toyota-earnings-tesla-stock-df22231b
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Quote:Something like this makes the rounds every few years. The car that runs on WATER! The fuel that NASA developed that gets 200 mpg that GM bought up the rights to and killed. The car that runs off the earth's electromagentic filed!
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Anybody been talking about the new fuel? Comes from air, captures Oxygen from CO2, requires ZERO modifications to existing gas combustion engines?
Currently $11 per gallon, but getting reduced.
Pro Racing will have a year or 2 of running on it, Porsche is leading research.
Greens hate it, will eliminate their power of scare tactics over everybody.
Thinking about the chemistry of separating oxygen from CO2... well, that takes energy. Plants do it quite nicely using solar power, but I can't think of any process to do that that doesn't USE energy. ANd a process that USESenergy can't possibly be used to fuel anything.
Hey, I'll be happy to learn something very new, but if it happens it would completely overturn everything we think we know about physics and chemistry.
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Quote:JewelStaiteFan probably garbled this story about Porsche synthetic fuels:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Something like this makes the rounds every few years. The car that runs on WATER! The fuel that NASA developed that gets 200 mpg that GM bought up the rights to and killed. The car that runs off the earth's electromagentic filed!
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Anybody been talking about the new fuel? Comes from air, captures Oxygen from CO2, requires ZERO modifications to existing gas combustion engines?
Currently $11 per gallon, but getting reduced.
Pro Racing will have a year or 2 of running on it, Porsche is leading research.
Greens hate it, will eliminate their power of scare tactics over everybody.
Thinking about the chemistry of separating oxygen from CO2... well, that takes energy. Plants do it quite nicely using solar power, but I can't think of any process to do that that doesn't USE energy. ANd a process that USESenergy can't possibly be used to fuel anything.
Hey, I'll be happy to learn something very new, but if it happens it would completely overturn everything we think we know about physics and chemistry.
1) February 9, 2022 - Stanford engineers create a catalyst that can turn carbon dioxide into gasoline 1,000 times more efficiently
Captured CO2 can be turned into carbon-neutral fuels, but technological advances are needed. In new research, a new catalyst increased the production of long-chain hydrocarbons in chemical reactions by some 1,000 times over existing methods.
Cargnello and other researchers working to make liquid fuels from captured carbon imagine a carbon-neutral cycle in which carbon dioxide is collected, turned into fuel, burned again and the resulting carbon dioxide begins the cycle anew.
https://news.stanford.edu/2022/02/09/turning-carbon-dioxide-gasoline-e
fficiently/
2) June 2, 2023 - The future of greenhouse gases
A chemical engineer explains why he thinks a better approach to greenhouse gases in the sky is to turn them into other chemicals.
. . . you can take CO2 and create more complex molecules, for example, hydrocarbons, so then we could make fuels like gasoline that power our cars from CO2 and hydrogen . . . Although it's not the best way we have in order to reduce the amount of CO2 that we put into the atmosphere but it's a way to go. And more recently, I'm excited to share with you that we've also been making ethanol, which is basically alcohol from CO2. I joke with my students, they were making booze from air. So in principle, the idea is to take CO2 from the atmosphere and hydrogen from sustainable renewable processes and make ethanol.
https://engineering.stanford.edu/magazine/future-greenhouse-gases
3) April 21, 2023 - Porsche synthetic fuels to power early 911 race
‘The potential of e-fuels is huge,’ said Steiner. ‘There are currently more than 1.3 billion vehicles with combustion engines worldwide. Many of these will be on the roads for decades to come, and e-fuels offer the owners of existing cars a nearly carbon-neutral alternative.’
Stuttgart has a 12.5% stake in HIF Global, the group behind the Chilean facility (above) with a capacity of 130,000 litres a year in this pilot phase. However, once full production is reached, Porsche expects to be producing 55 million litres annually by mid-decade, and 550m litres by 2027.
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/tech/porsche-synthetic-fuels/
4) 07/07/2023 How to make eFuels truly sustainable
Synthetic fuels can potentially run internal combustion engines almost CO2 neutrally – when they are produced with renewable energy.
The fuel produced in Chile therefore consists of nothing other than air and water and can be sold at gas stations around the world. It’s also worth noting that all internal combustion engines can be operated with eFuel, from classic cars to high-performance race cars. Once availability reaches a certain level, combustion will release no more CO2 than what was ex
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Sorry, I guess I failed to include the key term eFuel.
Looks like your 3rd and 4th links got it.
Sounds like this has not been discussed around here yet.
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/porsche-replacing-gasoline-air-water
https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/news/news-releases/2021/0330_exxonmob
il-and-porsche-test-lower-carbon-fuel-in-race-conditions
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/05/why-porsche-is-investing-100-million-o
n-efuels.html
https://www.efuel-alliance.eu/political-demands/fuel-market
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35577611/porsche-synthetic-efuel-cl
ean-emissions-testing/
https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/20/porsche-pumps-first-synthetic-fuel-a
s-chilean-plant-finally-starts-producing/
https://www.motortrend.com/features/porsche-supercup-efuel-direct-air-
carbon-capture/
Hope that helps.
No, I have not had time to read through all that. But it does sond like the same interviews I've been hearing about on radio - and these revelations are NOW, not old stories like these listed.
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Quote:The EU has got a clever way to avoid having both a regular gasoline pump and an eFuel pump by blending eFuel into regular gasoline. That way there will be only one price for fuel rather than two prices. Everybody pays for eFuel, rather than just the ones who believe in climate change. In the USA, most people will refuse to buy eFuel because it will be more expensive than gasoline (and climate change is a Chinese Hoax). The EU won't have that problem of buyers refusing to pay the price because eFuel will be in every grade of gasoline (despite a religious belief climate change is a hoax).
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Sorry, I guess I failed to include the key term eFuel.
Looks like your 3rd and 4th links got it.
Quote:https://www.efuel-alliance.eu/political-demands/fuel-market
For example, an EU-wide blending of just 5% eFuels to conventional fuel, would result in a saving of 60 million tons of CO2 – equivalent to taking 40 million cars off the road for an entire year. This is essential to meet EU climate targets, as a big part of today's more than 300 million vehicles with an internal combustion engine (ICE) will continue to dominate our roads for many years to come.
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Ok, I see what they're doing.
Here's the deal ...
We combine carbon with oxygen and that releases energy (in the form of heat) which we use for power. If you take a dozen carbon atoms and combine them with a dozen oxygen molecules you'll create a dozen molecules of carbon dioxide plus heat. But the carbon dioxide molecule itself is at a lower state of energy than the total energies of the carbon atoms and oxygen molecules separated.
In order to break that oxygen off those carbon dioxide molecules and return them to their original state of carbon and oxygen, you have to add back AT LEAST AS MUCH ENERGY AS YOU RELEASED when they combined. More, because of inefficiency of process.
It's not that producing eFuel doesn't take energy ... it does. They just plan on using wind and/or solar. It's just a way of turning wind energy and carbon dioxide and water back into burnable fuel, apparently made more realizeable with the development of a superior catalyst.
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The first step in manufacturing eFuels – electrolysis for hydrogen production – requires a great deal of energy, which is what makes the perpetual availability of green electricity so important. Water (H2O) is a very stable chemical compound. Two hydrogen atoms (H) bond with an oxygen atom (O) to form a water molecule. It takes a great deal of energy to extract hydrogen from this compound. Because the Patagonian wind offers inexhaustible energy, hydrogen can be generated there more sustainably and affordably. In regions with limited energy, any electricity produced has to be used directly for the greatest benefit.
In addition to hydrogen, eFuel production requires a second component, carbon dioxide (CO2), which is a greenhouse gas that at high concentrations in the atmosphere promotes global warming. CO2 can be filtered from the air using direct air capture, a process by which air flows through a ceramic filter similar to a catalytic converter in a car. However, rather than precious metals, the flow channels use a chemical substance to bind CO2 molecules. Once all of the spaces are filled with CO2, the filter is closed, vacuumed, and heated. Heat releases the CO2, which can then be vacuumed into a tank. In concrete terms, one liter of eFuel requires hydrogen from three liters of desalinated seawater and CO2 from 6,000 cubic meters of air.
Preparation and use of eFuels
A synthesis plant then binds the hydrogen and CO2 to create methanol, which is age resistant and suitable for storage and transportation. Ship engines are currently designed for operation with methanol. However, use in passenger cars requires further processing, with additional carbon compounds added in the final step of synthesis, methanol to gasoline. The end product is a gasoline and diesel alternative as well as eFuel for mixing with conventional, mineral oil–based fuels for ongoing reduction of emissions.
IMHO the limitation of this process is the number of sites that are capable of gnerating massive reliable "green power". Look at the location in this article: The southermost tip of South America. Not too many places like that!
There is a book that describes part of tis process, called "The Methanol Economy"
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Scientists in disbelief as temperatures soar to 37C in South America in the middle of winter
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-04/south-america-extreme-heat-mid-
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Quote:Most of U.S. wind electricity generation capacity is in the middle of the country.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
IMHO the limitation of this process is the number of sites that are capable of gnerating massive reliable "green power". Look at the location in this article: The southermost tip of South America. Not too many places like that!
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/wind/where-wind-power-is-harnessed
.php
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Most of U.S. wind electricity generation capacity is in the middle of the country.
Problem solved then.
Charge people on the coasts $3 per kWh for wind energy.
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Quote:When electricity costs five cents per kWh, it can't be sold at $3. I assume you are unaware of high-voltage direct current power lines to transfer very cheap green electricity for thousands of miles because Trumptards are opposed to electromagnetic radiation. Instead, Trumptards' imagination ends with coal-fired electricity since they were stupid assholes struggling to stay in the middle-class years before Trump got into politics because of their alcoholism, their opioid addiction, their divorces, their unemployment, their flunking out of school, their poor business sense, their excessive spending, etc.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Most of U.S. wind electricity generation capacity is in the middle of the country.
Problem solved then.
Charge people on the coasts $3 per kWh for wind energy.
The GOP no longer loves power lines. That's bad for Biden's climate goals.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/06/02/gop-no-longer-loves
-power-lines-that-bad-biden-climate-goals/
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SECOND, if eFuel felt that middle America was suitable for their project, they would have picked middle America. But they didn't.
Why?
Bc the wind there is INTERMITTENT. The reason why they chose Patagonia is bc the wind blows strongly, and in the same direction, an astonishing 270 days per year.
From the same source:
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From a global perspective, our planet is rich in energy thanks to the inexhaustible resources sun and wind. But that’s not necessarily the case on a local level, as regions with limited wind and sun can cover little to none of their energy requirements with these sources. In Germany, for example, wind turbines operate at full capacity just 66 days out of the year on average. ...
Punta Arenas has a population of around 130,000 and is located in the Patagonia region at the southern tip of Chile, making it the southernmost large city in the world. It’s also the most important center of trade on the western coast of the Strait of Magellan. This area is known for its strong winds, which blow incessantly across the barren landscape, almost always from the same direction. They’re so powerful that they can transform trees into bizarre sculptures, which are referred to as “flag trees.” Wind turbines could operate at maximum capacity 270 days a year here,
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2023/sustainability/porsche-how-to-mak
e-efuels-truly-sustainable-christophorus-407-33013.html
Wind power IS important! There's a reason why old Midwestern farms had windmills to power their water well pumps! But it's intermittent, even in the Midwest. As you should remember, TEXAS had a problem when a huge blizzard froze both your wind turbines AND your nat gas valves. You can't rely on hopium. You have to plan for outages distribution, storage, and backup.
If you can transfer electricity from a region that's producing to an area that isn't, have storage batteries that can last a day, that's great. But you still might need emergency generators... "peaker units" ... to take up the slack.
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Looks like the Cape Horn tip is similar latitude south as north is for Ketchikan, AK, Hudson Bay, Glasgow, Copenhagen.
I read it is 100 degrees F this week there, the middle of their winter.
Internet says it is "inhospitable" there - what better place to use for producing power? If everybody could put power plants in the middle of the desert, effectively barren land, they likely would.
This Sur portion of Chile apparently also has great Hydro resources. The steep mountains flow water directly into the ocean, without any pause. This sounds almost like a wonderful place for hydro-electric dams - another free source of electricity.
Chile could well become the energy producer of the world. More power to them.
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Originally posted:Quote:Most of U.S. wind electricity generation capacity is in the middle of the country.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
IMHO the limitation of this process is the number of sites that are capable of gnerating massive reliable "green power". Look at the location in this article: The southermost tip of South America. Not too many places like that!
Quote:This map also shows the same coloring for Alaska, the western coast, the mouth/delta of the Yukon River and Nunivak Island.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/wind/where-wind-power-is-harnessed
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This might be better for America, which is why Libtards and Greens will fight tooth and nail to prevent it.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Looks like the Cape Horn tip is similar latitude south as north is for Ketchikan, AK, Hudson Bay, Glasgow, Copenhagen.
I read it is 100 degrees F this week there, the middle of their winter.
Internet says it is "inhospitable" there - what better place to use for producing power? If everybody could put power plants in the middle of the desert, effectively barren land, they likely would.
This Sur portion of Chile apparently also has great Hydro resources. The steep mountains flow water directly into the ocean, without any pause. This sounds almost like a wonderful place for hydro-electric dams - another free source of electricity.
Chile could well become the energy producer of the world. More power to them.
Yes. To them. The trick would be transporting that power elsewhere.
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South American winter heatwave reaches almost 40C temperatures
https://www.itv.com/news/2023-08-04/south-american-winter-heatwave-rea
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Quote:You think you have a solution in search of a problem?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Yes. To them. The trick would be transporting that power elsewhere.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Looks like the Cape Horn tip is similar latitude south as north is for Ketchikan, AK, Hudson Bay, Glasgow, Copenhagen.
I read it is 100 degrees F this week there, the middle of their winter.
Internet says it is "inhospitable" there - what better place to use for producing power? If everybody could put power plants in the middle of the desert, effectively barren land, they likely would.
This Sur portion of Chile apparently also has great Hydro resources. The steep mountains flow water directly into the ocean, without any pause. This sounds almost like a wonderful place for hydro-electric dams - another free source of electricity.
Chile could well become the energy producer of the world. More power to them.
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Use this abundant energy source to process this eFuel that the entire world can consume.
But then we would be decreasing the CO2 in the atmo, which flora needs to flourish.
This can be compensated by mowing down some rainforests. So the plants are not fighting for the scarce resource of CO2.
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Huh? There's plenty of CO2 in the atmosphere. It's increased over the past significantly over the past 100 years. Enough to go around.
AFA eFuel... well, the limiting factor on production is the #of suitable sites. It needs to be reliably windy but close to roads and, ultimately, ocean-going tankers.
Porsche plans to make just enough to fuel it's current IC engines on the road. Porsche only. No plans to scale up.
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I think this is Proof Of Concept.
Once proven, then others can copy it. More efficiencies can be found, or engineered.
If somebody wants to make money, they can duplicate this. Biden's EV Buss company just went bankrupt, so all of the zero-emmission requirements of public/government transportation can buy the eFuel, at whatever cost.
If nobody else wants to make money, the Nation of Chile could certainly invest to take advantage of their natural energy resource.
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Quote:There is a company in California called eFUELCO. What a catchy name! https://efuelco.com/
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Huh? There's plenty of CO2 in the atmosphere. It's increased over the past significantly over the past 100 years. Enough to go around.
AFA eFuel... well, the limiting factor on production is the #of suitable sites. It needs to be reliably windy but close to roads and, ultimately, ocean-going tankers.
Porsche plans to make just enough to fuel it's current IC engines on the road. Porsche only. No plans to scale up.
The company sales pitch:
Renewable Diesel Delivered to Your Fleet
Save time. Save money. Eliminate risk.
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Climate denial is festering in the Republican Party
Over a six-minute interrogation, the House Freedom Caucus chair claimed Kerry wanted to charge taxpayers a “quadrillion dollars to fix a problem that doesn’t exist” and accused him, along with thousands of scientists and the 195 governments signed onto the Paris climate accord, of “grifting.”
The party is making climate a culture war issue
Republicans have spent years hammering this message to the electorate and it has made a major difference to the average Republican voter.
https://www.vox.com/climate/23815966/republicans-climate-change-denial
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Ramifications if eFuel becomes more commonplace: the greatest Greenhouse gas polluter of Ethanol will become less desirable, perhaps obsolete, and then we will actually start reducing air pollution for the first time in more than 3 decades.
By knocking out Ethanol from the equation, Ag land prices will drop - they have been about triple their prior value, due solely to corn/ethanol subsidies. Family farms will be able to remain in families much more frequently then.
For low- or zero-emissions government rules, the higher prices of eFuel can be paid by the Libtard governemnts, to produce it in larger scale, and the public might benefit from the efficiencies forthcoming.
Of course, the Greens and Libtards will become apoplectic when threatened with the loss of control, bullying, power over the unwashed masses.
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The Energy Department announced Friday it is awarding up to $1.2 billion to two projects to directly remove carbon dioxide from the air in what officials are calling the largest investment in “engineered carbon removal” in history.
“If we deploy this at scale, this technology can help us make serious headway toward our net zero emissions goals while we are still focused on deploying more clean energy at the same time,” Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm said in a press conference call.
Project Cypress will be built in Calcasieu Parish, Louisiana. South Texas DAC is planned for Kleberg County, Texas. Each claims it will capture up to one million metric tons of carbon dioxide per year initially. A representative of the Texas project said it will scale up to remove 30 million metric tons per year once fully operational.
https://apnews.com/article/climate-carbon-direct-air-capture-energy-37
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Explosive growth in solar power means most EU countries will hit their 2030 renewable energy targets ahead of time. Some 23 countries are slated to reach their solar installation targets by 2027.
The bloc added 41 gigawatts of new solar capacity in 2022 — a 40 percent increase on 2021. That's expected to rise to over 50 GW this year.
Last year, China installed 107 GW of solar output — roughly equivalent to the entire historical installed capacity of the U.S. — and is likely to add around double that in 2023.
In 2022, solar deployment meant the world saved 230 million tons of CO2 emissions, the IEA found.
https://www.politico.eu/article/solar-power-global-emissions-climate-c
risis-eu-blindsided-by-spectacular-solar-rollout/
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Originally posted by second:Quote:There is a company in California called eFUELCO. What a catchy name! https://efuelco.com/
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Huh? There's plenty of CO2 in the atmosphere. It's increased over the past significantly over the past 100 years. Enough to go around.
AFA eFuel... well, the limiting factor on production is the #of suitable sites. It needs to be reliably windy but close to roads and, ultimately, ocean-going tankers.
Porsche plans to make just enough to fuel it's current IC engines on the road. Porsche only. No plans to scale up.
The company sales pitch:
Renewable Diesel Delivered to Your Fleet
Save time. Save money. Eliminate risk.
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This is eFuel's pitch, directly from their website:
Quote:Standard diesel. RENEWABLE diesel is one of their options, but not their only offering.
eFuel eliminates the need for your drivers to fuel your vehicles. This saves you time, money and eliminates fueling risks. We deliver diesel fuel and DEF directly to your fleet, generator and equipment at a cost lower than conventional fueling options.
And "renewable" is not eFuel. Renewable diesel is made from used vegetable oil, like fryer oil, cleaned up and methoxylated. I know because I had to analyze it.
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Electric cars face ‘punitive’ fees, new restrictions in many states
A growing number of conservative states are imposing new taxes on drivers using electric vehicle charging stations and trying to limit EV sales. Why? Here is why:
“We’re moving so fast to electric vehicles, we’re just making the problems worse,” said state Rep. Jim Gooch (R), the longtime chair of Kentucky’s House energy committee. Those problems are multiplying, he added, as public officials look to electrify government fleets — especially transit systems and school districts.
“I certainly don’t want to put my kids on a school bus that’s electric. I just don’t want to do it,” Gooch said. “And I’ll fight in any way I can to make sure that that’s not something Kentucky’s doing.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/17/punitive-texas-other-states-r
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NASA: July Was Hottest Month on Record, But 2024 Looks Even Hotter
https://www.sciencealert.com/nasa-july-was-hottest-month-on-record-but
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Canada's mega-fires: 13.7 million hectares of forest have burned, twice as much as the 1989 record
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2023/08/17/canada-s-me
ga-fires-13-7-million-hectares-of-forest-have-burned-twice-as-much-as-the-1989-record_6096785_8.html
Large wildfire ravages forest in northern Greece as 8 villages are evacuated
https://infotel.ca/newsitem/eu-greece-wildfires/cp1036140928
“Uncharted Territory” – Exceptionally Low Antarctic Sea Ice Observed by NASA
https://scitechdaily.com/uncharted-territory-exceptionally-low-antarct
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Brutal and Extended Cold Blast could shatter ALL RECORDS - Whatever happened to Global Warming?
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
I WON THE ELECTION!
Nov 15, 2020
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To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th.
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Where the Republican Candidates Stand on Climate Change
Donald J. Trump, Former President
His actions as president may have caused irreversible damage to the global climate.
Donald J. Trump has mocked climate science and championed the production of the fossil fuels chiefly responsible for warming the planet.
While in the White House, he rolled back more than 100 environmental regulations, mostly aimed at reducing planet-warming emissions and protecting clean air and water. He also appointed cabinet members who were openly dismissive of the threat of climate change, including Scott Pruitt as head of the Environmental Protection Agency, and he withdrew the United States from the Paris Agreement, under which almost every country had committed to try to limit warming to 2 degrees Celsius above preindustrial levels.
President Biden rejoined the Paris Agreement and undid many of Mr. Trump’s policies, but the damage may not be fully reversible. A report in 2022 from researchers at Yale and Columbia found that the United States’ environmental performance had plummeted in relation to other countries as a result of the Trump administration’s actions.
Mr. Trump has given no indication that his approach would be different in a second term, and a campaign spokesman did not respond when asked whether it would. He has repeatedly minimized the severity of climate change, including claiming falsely that sea levels are projected to rise only ? of an inch over 200 to 300 years. But according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, sea levels are rising by that amount every year.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/18/us/politics/republican-
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A simplistic view of a warning earth means that the tropical zones will expand towards each pole. What that might mean is that as the equatorial belt" expands both north and south, the "Mediterranean belt", defined by cooler weather winters and hot dry summers, may also shift towards the poles, meaning that places normally associated with abundant rainfall like the Pacific Northwest, might dry out.
In addition to the jet streams moving towards the poles, they'll probably have bigger north-south loops in them, and also stagnate over areas longer than they used to. So instead of storms being reliably driven from (roughly) west to east in an appx 7-10 day cycles, they might stay resident for two or three weeks.
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Islands are going up in flames. Sardinia and Cyprus in the Mediterranean are now scorching messes and Hawaii’s Maui only recently became a first-class nightmare in which some residents had to plunge into the ocean to escape the flames. And if southern Europe, seemingly in an almost endless heatwave, continues to burn, northern Europe has been experiencing startlingly torrential rains and flooding.
Meanwhile, it’s not just Phoenix, Arizona, with those 31 straight days of 110 degrees Fahrenheit (or above), or even Chile, which recently passed 100 degrees Fahrenheit in what’s still known as… yes!… “winter” there. Temperatures have, in fact, been breaking records in an extreme fashion across the planet. It is, or should be, daunting, and yet, according to the latest polls, barely half of Americans (and only 23% of Republicans) consider the climate emergency a major threat and the leadership of one of our two parties — you know just which one I mean — is still into climate denialism (or simply the promotion of fossil-fuel use) in a remarkable fashion.
Were they to win power again in 2024, you could, I suspect, essentially kiss this planet goodbye. Unfortunately, as TomDispatch regular Michael Klare suggests today, you just might be able to do that no matter what happens in our politics.
Collapse 2.0
What a 2005 Bestseller Tells Us About Climate Change and Human Survival
By Michael Klare
Pueblo Bonito, a six-story structure in Chaco Canyon, contained up to 600 rooms, making it the largest building in North America until the first skyscrapers rose in New York some 800 years later. Mayan civilization is believed to have supported a population of more than 10 million people at its peak between 250 and 900 A.D., while the Norse Greenlanders established a distinctively European society around 1000 A.D. in the middle of a frozen wasteland. Still, in the end, each collapsed utterly and their inhabitants either died of starvation, slaughtered each other, or migrated elsewhere, leaving nothing but ruins behind.
The question today is: Will our own elites perform any better than the rulers of Chaco Canyon, the Mayan heartland, and Viking Greenland?
As Diamond argues, each of those civilizations arose in a period of relatively benign climate conditions, when temperatures were moderate and food and water supplies adequate. In each case, however, the climate shifted wrenchingly, bringing persistent drought or, in Greenland’s case, much colder temperatures. Although no contemporary written records remain to tell us how the ruling elites responded, the archaeological evidence suggests that they persisted in their traditional ways until disintegration became unavoidable.
More at https://tomdispatch.com/collapse-2-0/
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The G20 nations poured record levels of public money into fossil fuels last year despite having promised to reduce it:
The amount of public money flowing into coal, oil and gas in 20 of the world's biggest economies reached a record $1.4tn in 2022, according to the International Institute for Sustainable Development (IISD) thinktank, even though world leaders agreed to phase out fossil fuel subsidies at the Cop26 climate summit in Glasgow two years ago.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/23/g20-poured-more-th
an-1tn-on-fossil-fuel-subsidies-despite-cop26-pledges-report
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And who is the G20, again?
Argentina
Australia*
Brazil
Canada*
China
France*
Germany*
India
Indonesia
Italy*
Japan*
Mexico
South Korea*
Russia
Saudi Arabia
South Africa
Turkey
United Kingdom*
United States*
European Union*
*These are supposedly "our guys"... led by western-allied liberals, including Biden*, who presumably take climate change very seriously. The European nations (over-represented as both individual nations and as the "EU"), Australia, Canada, and the USA, have prioritized warmaking in eastern Europe and profit from China over global climate change.
Maybe ONE of the reasons why so many people doubt the seriousness of global climate change is bc they see our governments are pretty hypocritical about it. Clearly, when it comes to world-straddling hegemony, profit and finance, LGBTQ+, and manipulating elections, things like global climate shift and infrastructural re-development are very far down on the list because nothing real is DONE about it. Certainly not anything that would cost the elites any of their wealth or power. It's just used as an excuse to 'screw the people', all the way.
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Quote:Have you never contemplated the idea of sinfulness? The obese want to be thin, but food tastes so good! After Xmas, they will go on that diet because there is no need to rush since the cardiologist told them their EKG was fine. Then, suddenly, the obese dies of a heart attack. So unfair! The obese meant well but couldn't start the diet at this time. If only there was more time the story would have ended happily ever after.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Certainly not anything that would cost the elites any of their wealth or power. It's just used as an excuse to 'screw the people', all the way.
But there is a happy ever after if somebody invents a miracle food for the obese that makes them slimmer the more they eat. Oh, and the food has to cost less and taste better, too. Whoever sells that miracle food will become as rich as the oil companies are now.
Meanwhile, the sinfully obese want to be told by the government that they are healthy and pleasingly plump while Climate Change is just a Chinese Hoax. Waiting for technological miracles rather than forced dieting and quadrupling fossil fuel prices with new taxes is the best way for a government to get reelected when the voters are sinfully obese. To do otherwise is to lose votes.
The miracle of cheap, pollution-free energy (solar/fusion/hydrogen/wind/battery) and a weight loss pill/food will arrive just in time to save the day so that governments won't have to confront their fat and angry voters.
Miracles are what governments hope for, but if they and the voters were wiser (another way to say less sinful) that is not what they would do.
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Yes. The elite here are very sinful, and they encourage sinfulness in the population. Bc, if people were righteous and right-thinking, they would drive the wicked money changers from the temple.
PS. If you have ever contemplated sinfulness, and looked at the ACTUAL BIBILICAL "deadly sins" (as opposed to the bastardized version you learned at your mother's knee) you wouldn't lie so much, hate so much, try to stir up trouble between people so much, and be so arrogant. Bc, yanno, there's four right there!
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There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/the_seven_deadly_sins
Adding them all up, you hit all seven. Congrats!
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Quote:I have dealt with "Christians" all my life that aren't Christians. They have disgraced life because they aren't what they pretend to be.
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Yes. The elite here are very sinful, . . .
I have also dealt with actual Christians, and their lives are graceful and calm because they are not pretending. They are the real Christians. No faking. No lying. Living a moral life all the time. No days off when they act like heathens. The mystery of why the man-made world runs erratically was easy to solve once I paid very close attention to what kind of people most Americans are.
Now for the Hindu running for President (I have never known a Hindu that was any more truthful/moral/trustworthy than the fake "Christians" rampant in America):
Vivek Ramaswamy presents himself as a man for this political moment — a 38-year-old entrepreneur without the baggage of a politician, who is not a “SuperPAC puppet” (as he calls Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis) and can tell the truth.
But faced with an unexpected question about climate change at the first GOP presidential primary debate, Ramaswamy chose to lie. “The climate-change agenda,” he declared, “is a hoax.”
Republicans being wrong on climate change is nothing new, of course. But it’s an especially virulent strain of climate denial to cast climate change — and the potential for humans to fix it — as a conspiracy theory in 2023.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/climate-change-age
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I'm not posting about Christians, SECOND, YOU are
Not posting about Democrats or Republicans , either: they're both crooked at the top.
I'm posting about the elite being sinful. I'm posting about YOU being sinful.
Now can we get back on topic?
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Quote:The topic is climate change and why it is not being responded to. The reason is clear: nearly everybody, rich or poor, realizes that they can get all the benefits from halting climate change without any expense to themselves. Therefore they will spend nothing and do nothing and they will lie to justify continuing to do nothing. That is why nothing has been done, except by a very small subset of humanity who aren't immoral, lazy, stupid slobs. The immoral slobs will continue doing nothing until their inaction threatens to kill them. Even at that point of extinction, most will continue to do nothing unless their supply of fossil fuels (gasoline, diesel, natural gas, coal, wood) is cut off by the government. That's the way most people are. That is why the man-made world functions erratically for most people.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm not posting about Christians, SECOND, YOU are
Not posting about Democrats or Republicans , either: they're both crooked at the top.
I'm posting about the elite being sinful. I'm posting about YOU being sinful.
Now can we get back on topic?
There is a way out of this ugly situation: a series of technological miracles where green energy is much cheaper than fossil fuel energy. We must hope for miracles from engineers, Signym, because that is the only way to save the world. Even the most sinful and depraved people will switch to green energy if it is far cheaper than fossil fuel energy and all alternatives are taken away from them. But they will continue to pine for the good old days when cars burned gasoline and 18-wheelers blew smoke into the air from diesel engines needing maintenance.
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In the end, the only Republican candidate who admitted climate change was real was Nikki Haley, who immediately made it clear she didn't actually want to do anything about it:
"If you want to go and really change the environment, then we need to start telling China and India that they have to lower their emissions."
Not really courageous politicians up on that stage.
https://www.npr.org/2023/08/25/1195566969/climate-change-made-it-in-th
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Quote:You see? I get thru maybe the first or second sentence of any one of 'your' posts, plagiarized or not, and I run into something so egregiously counterfactual or illogical (or just plain wrong) I can't go any farther w/o addressing it.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm not posting about Christians, SECOND, YOU are
Not posting about Democrats or Republicans , either: they're both crooked at the top.
I'm posting about the elite being sinful. I'm posting about YOU being sinful.
Now can we get back on topic?
SECOND: The topic is climate change and why it is not being responded to.
"Climate change' IS being responded to! The elite, the ones who have $ and power, ARE responding to climate change! They're responding in a way that gets them MORE $ and MORE power! That's the way they respond to ANY critical need of the remaining 99.999% of the people (food, water, disease, war, jobs, resource allocation etc.)
That's why the elites' response consists of high-tech money-making schemes and rob-the poor policies that make NO APPRECIABLE DIFFERENCE to the amount of greenhouse gases in the air.
And when one space joyride, or a fraction of the private jets, or one war, or a bad forest-fire season, emit more greenhouse gases than the poorest billion emit in a year, tell me... what can those people do to make a decimal-point's difference? How many 'solar stoves' and meatless meals are required to make up for the egregious profligracy and bad policies of the top 0.001%?
Quote:No, they don't, and no, they can't. The poor have nothing left to sacrifice, and the middle class are getting a dawning awareness that everything proposed [by the wealthy] is simply a 'screw the people' proposition.
The reason is clear: nearly everybody, rich or poor, realizes that they can get all the benefits from halting climate change without any expense to themselves.
I'll give you a few examples:
Everyone blames China for being an egregious greenhouse gas emitter and coal-user. These emissions come from manufacturing. But WHO are they manufacturing for?
US! And WHY is manufacturing located in China? For higher profit!
So. Will the elite invest in re-shoring manufacturing using less, and less carbon-intensuve fuels? HELL NO! That would mean less profit!
War and our global-straddling military. It emits a huge amount of greenhouse gases, and we could reduce emissions considerably. Is that actually protecting us? No, it just costs a fuck-ton of money. So why can't we cut back? Bc the military -industrial -Congressional complex would suddenly see their wealth shrink. A lot. So that can't possibly happen.
And all of that Federal money going to EV and solar and carbin-capture. When one bad forest-fire year undoes 18 years of carbon reduction effort by CA, shouldn't the money be re-allocated to better forest management, like hand-thinning and "black soil" creation? Hell no! That would mean paying peons to do manual labor, and where is the profit in THAT???
THAT"S why nothing EFFECTIVE is done about climate change. "The people" aren't the problem, it's the rich. The rich, who are in charge of decision-making, need to be removed from decision-making.
If you want to solve a problem, start at the very top. You'll get 90% of it fixed right there.
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Quote:You never heard of The Ministry of the Future, a novel by famous author Kim Stanley Robinson. In the novel, Mary, as she leads the Ministry, and Frank, a complete nobody, terrorize The Powers That Be. Private jets full of oil company executives are being shot down with Stringer missiles and a haughty and impervious-to-reason fossil fuel Billionaire is beaten to death with a piece of driftwood on his own private beach. The powerful aren't actually powerful, even with all the security forces money can buy when confronted by a small number of professionals who know how the fossil fuel industry works and will methodically destroy the market for fuel. In the novel, the decades of waiting patiently for rich liars in government and industry to be talked into ceasing to pollute the world with CO2 are over. Everyone who buys fossil fuel won't be able to, even if they think it is extremely unfair that the poor must stop burning fuel and switch to slightly more expensive alternatives.
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THAT"S why nothing EFFECTIVE is done about climate change. "The people" aren't the problem, it's the rich. The rich, who are in charge of decision-making, need to be removed from decision-making.
If you want to solve a problem, start at the very top. You'll get 90% of it fixed right there.
The most important book I’ve read this year (2020)
How climate change will force humanity to rethink capitalism, borders, terrorism, and currency.
https://www.vox.com/2020/11/30/21726563/kim-stanley-robinson-the-ezra-
klein-show-climate-change
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_for_the_Future#Style_and_ge
nre
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Newsweek sees new technological miracles everywhere in its Better Planet Series. The wealthy owners of hundreds of trillions of dollars in oil, natural gas, and coal will simply stop mining and shipping their commodities because they are already rich beyond dreams of avarice. The poor will gladly switch to the latest technology despite it being more expensive and utterly confusing compared to the old and familiar ways.
https://www.newsweek.com/better-planet
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Newsweek used to be interesting. Now it's just wrong.
PS, the uber elite aren't driven by avarice. They see their holdings as a game that they want to 'win'. Money, for them, is just a marker.
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Quote:One point that the novelist Kim Stanley Robinson made in The Ministry for the Future is that the games end with assassination. All the money in the world for security won't be enough to stop drone ships from sinking very large crude carriers and some guy with a piece of driftwood killing an arrogant oil man on his own private beach. Meanwhile, all those poor people who want to continue burning fossil fuels cannot because the undersea pipeline was breached and the LNG tanker exploded on the high seas.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Newsweek used to be interesting. Now it's just wrong.
PS, the uber elite aren't driven by avarice. They see their holdings as a game that they want to 'win'. Money, for them, is just a marker.
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The world’s corporations produce so much climate change pollution, it could eat up about 44% of their profits if they had to pay damages for it, according to a study by economists of nearly 15,000 public companies.
The “corporate carbon damages” from those publicly owned companies analyzed — a fraction of all the corporations — probably runs in the trillions of dollars globally and in the hundreds of billions for American firms. Per Year.
“It would not be correct to just blame the companies. It is not possible to divide responsibility for these damages between the firms that make the products and consumers who buy them.”
https://apnews.com/article/climate-change-carbon-corporations-damage-p
ollution-9cb9e7c9feb2a68cb6dc0ae99c5e943a
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The U.S. is pumping oil faster than ever. Republicans don’t care.
GOP presidential candidates are blaming pump prices on President Joe Biden’s clean energy policies, even though the U.S. is churning out record amounts of oil.
08/28/2023 04:30 AM EDT
The late-summer surge in gasoline prices is heightening the risks that inflation poses for President Joe Biden, and offering Republicans a new chance to pin the blame on his green agenda.
The GOP narrative has a major hole: U.S. oil production — already the highest in the world — is on track to set a new record this year, and will probably rise even more in 2024. But the ever-increasing flow of U.S. crude has failed to keep a lid on gasoline prices, showing once again that a global market drives the fuel prices that shape presidents’ political futures.
And that means events far beyond the nation’s borders will play a sizable role in voters’ verdict on “Bidenomics” — as global oil prices rise and fall in response to banking conditions in Europe, China’s slumping real estate market, Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine and the latest maneuvers by Saudi Arabia.
“The U.S. consumer blames whoever is in the White House” for high gasoline prices, Quincy Krosby, chief global strategist for financial advisory firm LPL Financial said in an interview. “Biden’s people have to be watching this despite a stronger economy, which is an irony.”
It’s not the outcome that some experts had hoped for from the United States’ rise to energy superpower. Wall Street Journal opinion columnist Walter Russell Mead predicted in 2018 that abundant U.S. energy supplies would enable energy markets to “shrug off geopolitical shocks,” while Ed Morse, a long-time oil market analyst, foresaw in 2015 U.S. oil production would drive prices down sharply and herald “the end of OPEC.”
Instead, while the United States’ reliance on OPEC for oil imports has diminished, the country’s fuel market is still dependent on decisions made at the oil cartel’s meetings in Vienna — no matter how much oil comes out of U.S. shale fields.
U.S. oil production is forecast to average an all-time high of 12.8 million barrels a day this year and keep growing to 13.1 million in 2024, the federal Energy Information Administration said in its latest forecast. That’s up from the most recent trough of 5 million barrels a day in 2008, and probably enough to help the U.S. to keep its title as the No. 1 global crude oil producer.
Global forces, meanwhile, could cause pump prices to ease next year, with the Paris-based International Energy Agency forecasting that oil supply next year will outstrip demand.
That hasn’t stopped GOP White House hopefuls from lambasting Biden and his energy policies, including the green incentives included in the climate law he signed a year ago.
In one campaign ad, former Vice President Mike Pence pretends to fill his pickup truck and blames Biden’s energy policy for “causing real hardship” for Americans, while ex-South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley has vowed to bring oil production back to the United States.
And Sen. Tim Scott (R.-S.C.) railed last month on the Biden administration, which he asserted “has shut down energy production in America.”
“Why won’t this President tap into our abundant energy resources here at home and bring down prices at the pump?” he asked.
In fact, though, oil production from federal lands and waters has risen on Biden’s watch, reaching past 3 million barrels per day last year. The high mark during President Donald Trump’s term was 2.75 million barrels a day.
Much more at https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/28/republicans-gas-prices-oil-pr
oduction-00111626
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Stop blaming the average consumer. If you really want to reduce carbon pollution, start with those activities that are the largest and the most wasteful (war, wildlfires), the people who are the most wasteful (the top 1%), and start absorbing where it will have the most impact (agricultural, forestry, and ranching practices).
Once you've made a good start on that, then you can work on the smaller stuff.
It's like plastic: I never asked for everything to come wrapped, bottled, or packaged in plastic. I never asked for war, or fuel-laden forests just waiting to burn up, or private jets, or stripping the soil of carbon.
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Signym, do the math. The Pentagon is 1% of the CO2 emissions. Cutting them to zero will delay climate disaster not at all.
In 2021, U.S. greenhouse gas emissions totaled 6,340.2 million metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalents, or 5,586.0 million metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalents after accounting for sequestration from the land sector. That is one year, Signym.
The best estimate of total US military greenhouse gas emissions (including installations and operations) from 2001 when the wars began with the US invasion of Afghanistan, through FY2018, is 1,267 million metric tons of greenhouse gases (measured in CO2equivalent, or CO2e). That is 18 years, Signym.
From FY1975 to FY2018, total DOD greenhouse gas emissions were more than 3,685 Million Metric Tons of CO2 equivalent. That is 44 years.
https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/inventory-us-greenhouse-gas-emissions
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Pentagon Fuel Use, Climate Change, and the Costs of War
Neta C. Crawford, Boston University
Updated and Revised, 13 November 2019
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/Pentagon%20F
uel%20Use%2C%20Climate%20Change%20and%20the%20Costs%20of%20War%20Revised%20November%202019%20Crawford.pdf
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Shell Quietly Ditches Failed Carbon Credit Scheme
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/shell-quietly-ditches-failed-carbo
n-credit-scheme
Seems that generating actual carbon credits (and not just credit scams) isn't a money-making enterprise.
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Originally posted by second:
Pentagon Fuel Use, Climate Change, and the Costs of War
Neta C. Crawford, Boston University
Updated and Revised, 13 November 2019
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/Pentagon%20F
uel%20Use%2C%20Climate%20Change%20and%20the%20Costs%20of%20War%20Revised%20November%202019%20Crawford.pdf
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Indeed, the DOD is the world’s largest institutional user of
petroleum and correspondingly, the single largest institutional producer of greenhouse
gases (GHG) in the world.
And dood, it's not just fuel use, it's all the energy us d to make all of the materiel that just winds up getting destroyed.
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Military industry directly employs about 14.7 percent of all people in the
US manufacturing sector.47 Assuming that the relative size of direct employment in the
domestic US military industry is an indicator for the portion of the military industry in the US industrial economy, the share of US greenhouse gas emissions from US based military industry is estimated to be about 15 percent of total US industrial greenhouse gas emissions.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Pentagon Fuel Use, Climate Change, and the Costs of War
Neta C. Crawford, Boston University
Updated and Revised, 13 November 2019
And dood, it's not just fuel use, it's all the energy us d to make all of the materiel that just winds up getting destroyed.Quote:
Military industry directly employs about 14.7 percent of all people in the
US manufacturing sector.47 Assuming that the relative size of direct employment in the
domestic US military industry is an indicator for the portion of the military industry in the US industrial economy, the share of US greenhouse gas emissions from US based military industry is estimated to be about 15 percent of total US industrial greenhouse gas emissions.
No, Signym. No to everything you suggest, including the Trillion Tree Initiative from Donald Trump, which requires new land be planted with trees. Antarctica would be perfect because it has no trees, but could have a trillion trees once the ice melts.
Trump Administration Furthers Commitment to One Trillion Trees Initiative
https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/trump-administration-furthers-commit
ment-one-trillion-trees-initiative
You know what the USA really needs to do in order to cut back on CO2? Forbid every Trumptard from buying fossil fuel. That is my helpful solution. It would be an instantaneous drop in greenhouse gases.
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Pentagon Fuel Use, Climate Change, and the Costs of War
Neta C. Crawford, Boston University
Updated and Revised, 13 November 2019
SIGNY: And dood, it's not just fuel use, it's all the energy us d to make all of the materiel that just winds up getting destroyed.Quote:
Military industry directly employs about 14.7 percent of all people in the
US manufacturing sector.47 Assuming that the relative size of direct employment in the
domestic US military industry is an indicator for the portion of the military industry in the US industrial economy, the share of US greenhouse gas emissions from US based military industry is estimated to be about 15 percent of total US industrial greenhouse gas emissions.
SECOND: o, Signym. No to everything you suggest, including the Trillion Tree Initiative from Donald Trump, which requires new land be planted with trees. Antarctica would be perfect because it has no trees, but could have a trillion trees once the ice melts.
hey SECOND
A) That estimate was from the paper YOU LINKED. I suppose you didn't even scan it???
B) I never posted anything about a trillion trees. You're lying, again. And everybody knows it.
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