Donald Trump Has Been Indicted And Yes Arrested; Four Times Now And Counting. I was Right
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Want to be an authoritarian? First you create a message that resonates with the blamers, whiners and complainers. Then you discredit the press, the courts and civil servants. Trumps been doing this since day one.
Once Trump started the process useful idiots lined up to join with him. Uneducated, whiny and corrupt individuals. Morons who would use their vote to vote for people who would strip them of their right to vote in the future.
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Quote:I wish you would read a book.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Be very careful what you wish for.
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In her new book “Enough,” former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson paints the closing days of the Trump White House as even more chaotic and lawless than she previously disclosed in her shocking televised testimony last summer.
https://www.amazon.com/Enough-Cassidy-Hutchinson-ebook/dp/B0C3DKT462/
President Donald Trump lashes out unpredictably and makes wild demands. Chief of staff Mark Meadows leaks classified documents to friendly right-wing media figures and burns documents. Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani gropes Hutchinson inappropriately the day of the Capitol insurrection.
She also depicts major Republican figures, including Speaker Kevin McCarthy, stating clearly behind the scenes what they refrained from telling the American people: that Joe Biden won the presidential election and Trump lost.
Hints that integrity wasn’t exactly the word of the day were there from the beginning, of course. “Cass, if I can get through this job and manage to keep (Trump) out of jail, I’ll have done a good job,” Meadows told Hutchinson in June 2020.
After one 2020 campaign rally, Meadows asked her, “Would you take a bullet for him?” – meaning Trump.
“Could it be to the leg?” Hutchinson tried to joke back.
Meadows responded that he would “do anything” to get Trump reelected.
Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe expressed concern about the president’s unpredictability, noting that one minute “he acknowledges he lost… Then he’ll immediately backpedal.”
After the US Supreme Court declined to hear the bizarre lawsuit filed by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, full of lies and false claims about the election, Trump pushed Meadows, “Why didn’t we make more calls? We needed to do more. … We can’t let this stand.”
Trump continued, “I don’t want people to know we lost, Mark. This is embarrassing. Figure it out.” Even then, when Meadows assured Trump he would work on it, Hutchinson’s irritation is with Meadows for giving Trump false hope, not with Trump for demanding that his delusions become reality.
Hutchinson’s claim that Trump admitted to Meadows that he lost is the latest in a series of eye-witness accounts of Trump periodically admitting in private to having lost the election.
More at https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/26/politics/cassidy-hutchinson-book-trump-
white-house-chaos/index.html
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In her new book “Enough,” former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson paints the closing days of the Trump White House as even more chaotic and lawless than she previously disclosed in her shocking televised testimony last summer.
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Quote:I don't know about your part of the world, but in my part of East Texas, Trump voters' lives are almost as lawless and chaotic as Trump's, but more circumscribed because they lack his wealth. The similarities are the obvious attraction between Trump and his East Texas voters. His voters have about as many personal, financial and legal problems as Trump does, adjusting for wealth. That is why they want to tear down the system and rebuild it in a way that annihilates their problems in a huge bonfire of burning documents, court orders, lawsuits, divorce papers, and bankruptcy proceedings. I almost forgot, unpaid taxes. Trumptards are pretty bad about paying their taxes on time and cheating, but so is Trump.
Originally posted by THG:
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In her new book “Enough,” former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson paints the closing days of the Trump White House as even more chaotic and lawless than she previously disclosed in her shocking televised testimony last summer.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Quote:I don't know about your part of the world, but in my part of East Texas, Trump voters' lives are almost as lawless and chaotic as Trump's, but more circumscribed because they lack his wealth. The similarities are the obvious attraction between Trump and his East Texas voters. His voters have about as many personal, financial and legal problems as Trump does, adjusting for wealth. That is why they want to tear down the system and rebuild it in a way that annihilates their problems in a huge bonfire of burning documents, court orders, lawsuits, divorce papers, and bankruptcy proceedings. I almost forgot, unpaid taxes. Trumptards are pretty bad about paying their taxes on time and cheating, but so is Trump.
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Originally posted by THG:
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In her new book “Enough,” former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson paints the closing days of the Trump White House as even more chaotic and lawless than she previously disclosed in her shocking televised testimony last summer.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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In other words; they think what they want is better than what they have. They have no idea even the right to bitch will be lost if they get what they want. And no dictator or authoritarian wants to be surrounded by a bitchy populist that is armed to the teeth. So, they need to be prepared to give up their guns because that is inevitable in a one person rules all society.
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Keep crying and fearmongering about a future that is never going to happen while we're living in the worst times in America that a majority of American citizens have ever lived through.
Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.
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Judge Gives Trump Organization the Corporate Death Penalty
By David Cay Johnston, September 26, 2023
A New York State judge on Tuesday canceled all of the business licenses for the Trump Organization and its 500 or so subsidiary companies and partnerships after finding that Trump used them to, along with his older two sons, commit fraud.
Under the New York General Business Law, you can only do business in your own name as a sole proprietor or with a business license, which the state calls a “business certificate.” All of Trump’s businesses were corporations or partnerships that require business certificates.
In a 35-page decision, Judge Engoron also excoriated Trump and his lawyers for making nonsense arguments, so badly misquoting legal cases that they turned the law upside down, and other legal misconduct.
Five Trump lawyers were each fined $7,500 for making “frivolous” arguments.
A judge calling a lawyer’s argument “frivolous” is the equivalent of saying it is no better than nonsense from a drunk in a bar, as I teach my Syracuse University College of Law students.
Those lawyers may well find it wise to hire their own lawyers as Judge Engoron’s findings could form the basis of disbarment proceedings, something already underway against Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani, the former federal prosecutor, and John Eastman, a former dean of the Chapman University School of Law in Orange, Calif.
https://www.dcreport.org/2023/09/26/donald-trump-liable-for-fraud/
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Quote:Trump's worth will drop below a billion dollars:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Keep crying and fearmongering about a future that is never going to happen while we're living in the worst times in America that a majority of American citizens have ever lived through.
Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.
In 2015 Trump claimed his net worth was north of $10 billion. When he became president, he asked if he could file his federally required financial disclosure statements without signing them under penalty of perjury. That request was denied. The statement Trump then filed, by my counting, showed a net worth of not much more than $1 billion, but was based on fantastical assertions of value.
News organizations, except DCReport, told their audiences next to nothing about how from June 2015 to January 2017 Trump’s claimed net worth fell by roughly 90 percent.
A non-jury trial before Judge Engoron next week will determine how much Trump will be fined for his years of bank fraud and insurance fraud.
Barring a highly unlikely reversal by an appeals court, Trump’s business assets eventually will be liquidated since he cannot operate them without a business license. Retired Judge Barbara Jones was appointed to monitor the assets, an arrangement not unlike the court-supervised liquidation of a bankrupt company or the assets of a drug lord.
Creditors, any fines due the state because of the fraud, and taxes will be paid first from sales of Trump properties.
The various properties are likely to be sold at fire sale prices and certainly not for top dollar when liquidation begins, probably after all appeals are exhausted.
https://www.dcreport.org/2023/09/26/donald-trump-liable-for-fraud/
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Hail to the Fraudster in Chief.
Sept. 28, 2023, 6:28 p.m. ET
Ever since debt was invented in ancient Sumer, there have probably been people enriching themselves through bad investments. The trick is to make these investments using other people’s money.
Suppose, for example, that a wheeler-dealer uses borrowed funds to make risky investments in New Jersey casinos. If the investments somehow end up making money, he can pocket the profits. But if the investments fail, he may — if he’s been tricky about the wording in his loans or manages to persuade his creditors not to go after his other assets — be able to walk away and leave other people holding the bag. That is, it’s heads he wins, tails the creditors lose.
He may also be able to siphon off some of the borrowed money, say by having the casinos pay him or businesses he owns large sums for various services before they go bust.
As readers may have guessed, this isn’t a hypothetical example. It is the story of Donald Trump’s New Jersey casino empire, a venture ending in multiple bankruptcies that was a disaster for outside investors but appears to have been quite profitable for Trump.
The problem for someone who wants to play that game is how to persuade lenders to play along. Why would any people risk their money in such dubious ventures?
Well, there are a couple of ways to pull this off. One, perhaps the main story with those casinos, is sheer power of persuasion, perhaps supported by a cult of personality: Convince lenders that these dubious ventures are actually good investments or that you’re a uniquely effective businessman who can turn straw into gold.
Alternatively, you can try to persuade lenders that they’re safe by offering collateral that seems sufficient to protect them but isn’t, because you’ve inflated the value of the assets you put up and possibly also inflated your personal wealth to make it seem you are both a brilliant businessman and a reliable borrower.
Which is why making false claims about the value of assets you control is illegal. And on Tuesday, Justice Arthur F. Engoron ruled in New York that Trump did, in fact, persistently commit fraud by overvaluing his assets, possibly by as much as $2.2 billion.
Trump and his lawyers offered, as I read it, three main defenses against accusations of fraud.
First, they argued that the value of real estate is, to some extent, subjective. Indeed, if you own a building, you don’t know for sure what it’s worth until you try to sell it.
But while there’s some wiggle room in valuing real estate, it’s limited. And Engoron ruled that Trump went far beyond those limits, creating a “fantasy world” of indefensible valuations. For example, the Trump Organization treated rent-regulated apartments as being worth as much as noncontrolled apartments. The judge made special note of Trump’s claim that he had a 30,000-square-foot residence in New York, when the true number was only 11,000; square footage isn’t subjective.
Second, Trump’s lawyers argued that banks that lent to him got repaid in full, so there was no harm done. Of course, that wasn’t true for lenders caught up in Trump’s earlier bankruptcies. More generally, playing heads-I-win-tails-you-lose based on fraudulent valuations isn’t legal even if sometimes the bets come up heads.
Finally, Trump declared on social media that “my Civil Rights have been taken away from me” and that he borrowed money from “sophisticated Wall Street banks” that presumably wouldn’t have been easily deceived by fraud. If you know anything about Wall Street’s attitudes toward Trump, that’s a real hoot. For years, only one major Wall Street player, Deutsche Bank, was willing to deal with him at all, leading to much puzzlement about that bank’s motives. And eventually Deutsche Bank also pulled the plug, citing concerns about his financial claims. Trump did manage to pay off that debt, although it’s a mystery where he found the cash. But as I just explained, getting lucky is no excuse for fraud.
What’s remarkable about Engoron’s finding that Trump co
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Originally posted by second:
Hail to the Fraudster in Chief.
Sept. 28, 2023, 6:28 p.m. ET
Yup.
Fuck Joe Biden*.
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Quote:Trump persuaded lenders that they’re safe by offering collateral that seems sufficient to protect them but isn’t because Trump inflated the value of the assets he put up as collateral and also inflated his personal wealth to make it seem that he is both a brilliant businessman and a reliable borrower.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Hail to the Fraudster in Chief.
Sept. 28, 2023, 6:28 p.m. ET
Yup.
Fuck Joe Biden*.
Making false claims about the value of assets Trump controlled is illegal. Trump will be punished for that fraud.
6ix, for all the people who have persuaded themselves that what Trump did is perfect, there will be other things totally unrelated to politics and Trump that will go wrong in their lives, their punishment for believing fraud is not fraud.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Keep crying and fearmongering about a future that is never going to happen while we're living in the worst times in America that a majority of American citizens have ever lived through.
Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.
Hey Jack, I told you so. Laughing here...
Trump LOSES Biggest Case of His Life and Entire Business is CANCELLED
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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.
Betting odds for Trump have increased again.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting-odds/2024/presiden
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Quote:Did you notice that 5.3% bet Obama will win in 2024?
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.
Betting odds for Trump have increased again.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting-odds/2024/presiden
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That is invincibly stupid . . .
One of my ancestors said, "If nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve." The same is true for Obama but for a different reason -- the Constitution forbids a third term.
https://www.google.com/search?q=does+the+constitution+forbid+a+third+t
erm+for+obama
Reading through these quotes I discover that the apple (me) did not fall far from the tree: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/william-tecumseh-sherman-quotes
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.
tick tock
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Let's talk about the first flip in the Trump Georgia case
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Did you notice that 5.3% bet Obama will win in 2024?
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.
Betting odds for Trump have increased again.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting-odds/2024/presiden
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That is invincibly stupid . . .
One of my ancestors said, "If nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve." The same is true for Obama but for a different reason -- the Constitution forbids a third term.
https://www.google.com/search?q=does+the+constitution+forbid+a+third+t
erm+for+obama
That's Michelle Obama, you stupid fuck.
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Quote:That's Melania Trump's chances for being President. Donald's chances are zero. But don't worry, he will be fine: Expert shocked over how bad Trump's fraud defense is
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
That's Michelle Obama, you stupid fuck.
Legal experts are scratching their heads at the poor defense put forth by former President Donald Trump in his upcoming New York fraud trial.
According to The Daily Beast Judge Arthur Engoron has already tossed out Trump's argument that past lies on his financial statements could be justified by the eventual rise in the value of his properties.
Trump's defense argues that if his properties gained value over time, then the numbers on his financial statements weren't inflated when submitted.
Judge Engoron found this line of reasoning to be "wholly without basis in law or fact," stating that Trump's defense doesn't align with how real estate valuations are typically discussed.
The shortcomings of Trump's defense extend beyond the legal world, according to experts.
Cosmologist Marina Cortês at the Institute for Astrophysics and Space Sciences in Portugal said, "He's defying the very laws of physics. The past is different from the future. That's the most basic knowledge we have in cosmology."
Cortês further elaborated that Trump's argument violates the second law of thermodynamics, which says the future doesn't move into the past.
"It’s like Sir Arthur Eddington’s famous statement: ‘If your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope. There is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation,'" she added.
The trial, set to be decided solely by Judge Engoron, is already looking grim for the former President. The judge has determined that Trump's defense is not just legally weak, but also contradicts basic scientific principles.
https://www.dagens.com/news/expert-shocked-over-how-bad-trumps-fraud-d
efense-is
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Originally posted by second:Quote:That's Melania Trump's chances for being President.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
That's Michelle Obama, you stupid fuck.
What a stupid response.
Color me unsurprised.
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Hey Jack, I was right. More importantly, you as always, are wrong.
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Just putting in my $0.02 again. This is still lawfare against Trump, they're simply trying to de-fang any run for the Presidency by defunding him.
Open question whether or not it will work.
The DNC looks like it's angling to run Gavin Newsom. You'd have to be an independent -minded Californian to know what a terrible President he would make, but a lot of Dems outside of CA will probably be OK with him.
RFK Jr is expected to run as an independent.
So the question is whether RFK Jr splits the Dem vote more than he splits the independent vote, and pulls independents from Trump.
Anyway, hypocritical and unjust application of the law is such an ugly thing, and used to only happen in 3rd world countries, but I see it's happening here.
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Hey Jack, I was right. More importantly, you as always, are wrong.
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Only in your sad little fantasy world, troglodyte.
Betting odds for Trump got even better on a Sunday than they were yesterday.
Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.
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Drinking worked so well for 6ix and Giuliani that Trump should start drinking:
The office of the special counsel, Jack Smith, has questioned witnesses about Mr. Giuliani’s alcohol consumption as he was advising Mr. Trump, including on election night, according to a person familiar with the matter. Mr. Smith’s investigators have also asked about Mr. Trump’s level of awareness of his lawyer’s drinking as they worked to overturn the election and prevent Joseph R. Biden Jr. from being certified as the 2020 winner at almost any cost. (A spokesman for the special counsel declined to comment.)
The answers to those prompts could complicate any efforts by Mr. Trump’s team to lean on a so-called advice-of-counsel defense, a strategy that could portray him as a client merely taking professional cues from his lawyers. If such guidance came from someone whom Mr. Trump knew to be compromised by alcohol, especially when many others told Mr. Trump definitively that he had lost, his argument could weaken.
In interviews and in testimony to Congress, several people at the White House on election night — the evening when Mr. Giuliani urged Mr. Trump to declare victory despite the results — have said that the former mayor appeared to be drunk, slurring and carrying an odor of alcohol.
“The mayor was definitely intoxicated,” Jason Miller, a top Trump adviser and a veteran of Mr. Giuliani’s 2008 presidential campaign, told the congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol in a deposition early last year. “But I do not know his level of intoxication when he spoke with the president.” (Mr. Giuliani furiously denied this account and condemned Mr. Miller, who had spoken glowingly of him in public, in vicious terms.)
Privately, Mr. Trump, who has long described himself as a teetotaler, has spoken derisively about Mr. Giuliani’s drinking, according to a person familiar with his remarks. But Mr. Trump’s monologues to associates can betray a layered view of the former mayor, one that many Republicans share: He credits Mr. Giuliani with turning around New York City after the high-crime 1970s and 1980s and contends that it has suffered lately without him in charge. Then he returns to a lament about Mr. Giuliani’s image today.
Mr. Trump does not dwell on his own role in that trajectory.
In a statement that did not address specific accounts about Mr. Giuliani’s drinking or its potential relevance to prosecutors, Ted Goodman, a political adviser to the former mayor, praised Mr. Giuliani’s career and suggested he was being maligned because “he has the courage to defend an innocent man” in Mr. Trump.
“I’m with the mayor on a regular basis for the past year, and the idea that he is an alcoholic is a flat-out lie,” Mr. Goodman said, adding that it had “become fashionable in certain circles to smear the mayor in an effort to stay in the good graces of New York’s so-called ‘high society’ and the Washington, D.C., cocktail circuit.”
“The Rudy Giuliani you all see today,” Mr. Goodman continued, “is the same man who took down the mafia, cleaned up the streets of New York and comforted the nation following 9/11.”
A spokesman for Mr. Trump did not respond to a request for comment.
Many who know Mr. Giuliani best are careful to discuss his life, and especially his drinking, with considerable nuance. Most elements of today’s Mr. Giuliani were always there, they say, if less visible.
Long before alcohol became a concern, Mr. Giuliani was prone to sweeping, unsubstantiated claims of election fraud. (“They stole that election from me,” he once said of his 1989 mayoral loss, alluding to supposed chicanery “in the Black parts of Brooklyn and in Washington Heights.”)
Long before alcohol became a concern, he could be quick to lash out at enemies real or perceived. (“A small man in search of a balcony,” Jimmy Breslin once said of him.)
In interviews with friends, associates and former aides, the consensus was that, more than wholly transforming Mr. Giuliani, his drinking had accelerated a change i
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just putting in my $0.02 again. This is still lawfare against Trump, they're simply trying to de-fang any run for the Presidency by defunding him.
Open question whether or not it will work.
The DNC looks like it's angling to run Gavin Newsom. You'd have to be an independent -minded Californian to know what a terrible President he would make, but a lot of Dems outside of CA will probably be OK with him.
RFK Jr is expected to run as an independent.
So the question is whether RFK Jr splits the Dem vote more than he splits the independent vote, and pulls independents from Trump.
Anyway, hypocritical and unjust application of the law is such an ugly thing, and used to only happen in 3rd world countries, but I see it's happening here.
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Try he broke the law. If not the evidence will show that. And remember, it's his people saying he did.
Wow, with you ignorance is bliss hey comrade.
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I can't wait to watch you mentally break down when Trump wins next November.
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Quote:Trump said he can't lose!
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I can't wait to watch you mentally break down when Trump wins next November.
Also, Trump says US presidents are immune from criminal charges
WASHINGTON, Oct 5 (Reuters) - Donald Trump, seeking to dismiss the federal case accusing him of trying to overturn his loss in the 2020 presidential election, argued on Thursday that he cannot be prosecuted because U.S. presidents are immune from criminal charges.
"Here, 234 years of unbroken historical practice - from 1789 until 2023 - provide compelling evidence that the power to indict a former President for his official acts does not exist," Trump's lawyers wrote to the U.S. District Court in Washington.
It was one of two efforts Trump's legal team pursued on Thursday to toss criminal cases against the former U.S. president. They also asked a New York judge to dismiss charges tied to hush money payments to porn star Stormy Daniels ahead of the 2016 presidential election, calling them "politically motivated" and legally flawed.
Trump, president from 2017 to 2021, has regularly made sweeping claims of immunity both while in office and since leaving the White House. Courts have rejected these claims.
The U.S. Supreme Court in 2020 spurned Trump's argument that he was absolutely immune from state criminal investigations while president.
A U.S. judge last year ruled that Trump was not immune from civil lawsuits seeking to hold him liable for his supporters' violence during a Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot. The judge said Trump's actions leading up to the riot, casting doubt on the election results, were not official responsibilities.
Trump is appealing that ruling. Trump can't lose! Ask him or any Trumptard and they will tell you it is true. They will get a violently rude awakening where Trump falls out of bed and lands on his head, knocking his brains out.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump-asks-court-dismiss-federal-2020-el
ection-subversion-case-filing-2023-10-05/
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I can't wait to watch you mentally break down when Trump wins next November.
Doesn't matter if he said it or not.
Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.
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BTW... I haven't heard your Legacy Media brainwashing and propaganda machine talking about the 14th Amendment for a while.
Didn't work out for you like you'd hoped, did it?
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Quote:For a Trumptard you are smart, but for an American citizen, you are stupid. The same is true for Trump:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
BTW... I haven't heard your Legacy Media brainwashing and propaganda machine talking about the 14th Amendment for a while.
Didn't work out for you like you'd hoped, did it?
Donald Trump Is Any Defense Attorney’s Nightmare
By David A. Graham | October 8, 2023
“A regular defendant would have been locked up a long time ago.”
They say that a man who represents himself has a fool for a client. So, perhaps, does a person who represents Donald Trump.
To most people, attacking someone with influence over one’s freedom and fortunes is self-evidently unwise, but that is precisely what Trump has been up to. This week, the former president attended a civil trial in Manhattan to determine what damages he might have to pay in a case about his company committing a massive, yearslong fraud. Justice Arthur Engoron, the judge in the case, has already ruled that fraud did occur, and Trump is furious about it.
“This is a judge that should be disbarred,” he said outside of the court on Monday. “This is a judge that should be out of office. This is a judge that some people say could be charged criminally for what he’s doing. He’s interfering with an election.”
The next day, Trump’s campaign issued a lengthy statement portraying Engoron as a Democratic operative, and Trump attacked Engoron’s law clerk on his social-media site, Truth Social. Engoron then placed a gag order on the former president, barring him from attacking the clerk. (Trump’s message was later deleted.) These incidents follow earlier broadsides against Tanya Chutkan, the federal judge overseeing the case against him in Washington, D.C., for trying to steal the 2020 election. Trump called her “a fraud dressed up as a judge,” “a radical Obama hack,” and a “biased, Trump-hating judge.” (He has also insulted prosecutors in bracingly personal terms, but then again they are already literally out to get him.)
“It’s like being a football player and every time you go back to your position, you kick the ref in the shins,” Ty Cobb, an attorney who served as special counsel in the White House during the Robert Mueller probe, told me. “You gradually sacrifice the benefit of the doubt, or you put a lot of strain on someone who’s supposed to be evenhanded.” Ken White, a criminal-defense attorney and writer, was even blunter, telling me, “He is who he is. It’s crazy, and I’m sure his lawyers are horrified.”
And yet things could be going much worse. With the exception of this week’s narrow gag order, Trump has not been punished directly by judges, who could instruct him not to comment on cases and even imprison him if he doesn’t comply. Department of Justice Special Counsel Jack Smith asked Chutkan for a partial gag order, which Trump promptly misrepresented publicly; she has scheduled a hearing on the question for October 16. Courts seem slow to sanction Trump because they are wary of being seen as infringing on a major political figure’s speech, and because setting a rule would require enforcing it—and Trump is possibly too big to jail.
“He knows the judges are less likely to do something to him, because they’re kind of backed into a corner. He’ll say, They’re taking it so personally; they’re being biased. They hate me because I exercise my free speech,” Titus Nichols, a defense attorney and former prosecutor who represented the whistleblower Reality Winner, told me. “A regular defendant would have been locked up a long time ago.”
That doesn’t mean that the outbursts have no downside. The fraud trial is being heard by Engoron with no jury. (He says that Trump’s lawyers declined to request a jury.) Although Engoron is ultimately bound by the law, a trial includes many opportunities for a judge to make dozens of minor, discretionary choices.
“When it comes down to individual rulings, you really want the judge to be as open-minded as possible. But if you’ve
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Trump Lawyers Want Us to Believe Key Witness Knows Nothing
Feigned Ignorance
During his bank fraud trial in New York, Donald Trump’s lawyers said ex-controller Jeff McConney wasn’t an expert on real estate values — except that was his job for Trump.
Published Oct. 12, 2023
When investigators point to spreadsheets, the defense either shrugs, appears confused, or claims vastly inflated values are mere differences of opinion.
For days, state investigators have been laying out how the Trump Organization fudged its numbers before turning the books over to its outside accountant Donald Bender at MazarsUSA. There, the firm would sign off on Trump’s personal financial statements and give them the aura of authenticity. It was McConney’s job to prepare the spreadsheets that listed properties, associated bank account totals, and estimated values.
With him on the stand, the AG’s office reviewed the way McConney gathered real estate development valuations as part of his regular job as the company controller. They repeatedly pointed out how he appeared to use omissions to trick Mazars and throw them off the scent of any impropriety.
Take, for example, Trump Park Avenue, a residential building located in an ultra high-end area east of Manhattan’s Central Park. When McConney put together the numbers for the 32-story condo building, his original spreadsheet listed all the units, along with their offering prices and market values.
But McConney admitted to intentionally deleting that last column before sending it over to Mazars—ensuring the outside firm could only see the pie-in-the-sky offering prices Trump requested, not the market values that reflected what someone would actually pay for those luxury condos.
That sleight of hand added roughly $57 million to Trump’s wealth on paper, math that McConney acknowledged in court.
Then there’s the forested estate in upstate New York called Seven Springs, a failed development project that doubles as Trump’s Bruce Wayne-esque mansion just north of Gotham. Once again, McConney played a central role in fudging the numbers by acting as if seven additional mansions had been greenlit for construction, adding a whopping $161 million to the total value.
And once again, McConney copped to those calculations on the witness stand.
“Were you operating under the assumption when doing this valuation in these two years that approvals had been obtained, all necessarily approvals had been obtained for these seven homes in Bedford?” Amer asked him.
“Looking at this now, yes,” McConney responded.
Some of the dodgy math appeared to come from Eric Trump, one of the former president’s sons, who has long served on the Trump Organization’s leadership team. McConney testified that, after a telephone conversation with the Trump company executive in 2013, another section of Seven Springs jumped in value on paper from $25 million to $101 million—even though they couldn’t actually sell the property they claimed to have.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-lawyers-want-us-to-believe-key-wit
ness-jeff-mcconney-knows-nothing
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Trust me dude. Now that Muslims are back on the table, nobody is going to give a single shit about your TDS 13 months from now.
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Quote:Middle East news from 2023: 59,259 fatalities, 1.5 million people left homeless. But you already forgot it happened. Your "Muslims are back on the table" news is just as ephemeral. Trump is a crook and Nazi running for President, so all crooks and Nazis in America remember to vote for him.
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Trust me dude. Now that Muslims are back on the table, nobody is going to give a single shit about your TDS 13 months from now.
2023 Turkey–Syria earthquakes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Turkey%E2%80%93Syria_earthquakes
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The former president’s lawyers may not be trying to win his New York trial—instead, they’re dragging it out in hopes of solving his other political and legal problems.
Jose Pagliery, Published Oct. 16, 2023 4:32AM EDT
Two weeks into Donald Trump’s bank fraud trial in New York, it’s clear that the former president has no intention of actually trying to win the legal battle at this stage.
Instead, Trump’s legal team is working diligently to repurpose the trial as pretext for a future appeal—not to mention warping the proceedings into both a fundraising spectacle and an excuse to skip out on his other court dates.
For nine straight days, Trump’s defense lawyers have littered the court with legal landmines, objecting to nearly every bit of evidence submitted by New York Attorney General Letitia James and warning New York Supreme Court Justice Arthur F. Engoron that each decision he makes will be closely scrutinized by appellate judges—and likely reversed.
At one point, Engoron had to remind Trump’s legal team, “Trials are… not an opportunity to relitigate what I’ve already decided… that’s why we have appeals.”
Rolling Stone cited one source within the Trump camp who described the current kamikaze plan of trying to seize minor victories within the self-created chaos as “Fyre Festival strategies,” a reference to the poorly planned 2017 music festival in the Bahamas that ended in disaster.
The stakes are high: Trump, a self-styled business tycoon, is at real risk of losing his real estate empire. Engoron has already ordered the Trump Organization’s business licenses revoked after concluding that the Trump family and their company’s top executives vastly inflated assets for years. Come December, he could order them to pay $250 million or more.
Team Trump is still irked that they have to defend real estate deals stretching back a decade because the judge hasn’t yet explicitly drawn a stark cutoff in 2016 or so that could shrink the attorney general’s case—something an appellate court instructed him to do before the trial began.
Now, Trump’s lawyers are objecting to anything that even hints at older material, even emails presented by James’ office that make references to the distant past.
But Trump’s defense team has also adopted a comically and deliberately irritating tactic. Anticipating a massive and detailed appeal, they have been asking long-winded questions about each line in each document—and repeating each question for every year from 2011 and beyond.
The tension reached a boiling point on only the trial’s third day, when the judge repeatedly advised that defense lawyers speed things along—only to have defense lawyer Jesus Suarez agree, then ignore him anyway.
“You’re not allowed to waste time,” Engoron said. “That is what this is becoming.”
“We will attempt to streamline this as much as possible,” lead defense lawyer Christopher Kise assured.
“Doesn’t seem like that yet,” the judge shot back.
“The devil’s in the details. I’m sorry, but it is,” Kise countered.
Things then got heated, as the judge called out Trump’s team on what’s become a patently obvious delay tactic.
“This is ridiculous!” Engoron said, turning his head to the dozens of journalists in the back of the courtroom. “To the reporters: I’m pounding the bench again. This. Is. Ridiculous! There's no point in going through each line. I'm just being logical here.”
What happened next was an encapsulation of what has become the go-to Trump legal strategy at this trial. Kise, in his characteristically condescending tone toward the older and more experienced judge, misconstrued what Engoron said and demurred.
“Let me make sure I understand,” Kise began. “You’re asking us to go line by line, but just ask the same question for each line?”
“I’ve never had to negotiate how to ask questions. I think it makes a poor record, frankly,” he added, in what seemed like a direct address to the court reporter whose notes will eventually be combed through by a panel of appellate judges. “For the record, I object to
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Quote:This is pretty much the story of every Trumptard's life: to deliberately not comprehend. Other times, to actually be stupid rather than feinting it.
Similar but less intense versions of that scene repeated as the days went by, with [Trump's attorney] Kise often distorting what [Judge] Engoron was ordering, then turning around and claiming the judge’s decisions were unprecedented and unfair.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-donald-trumps-team-twisted-his-new-y
ork-bank-fraud-trial-into-a-farce
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Sham trial. Meaningless.
Why don't Democrats try to run on issues, or at the very least stop trying to actively destroy the quality of life for 90% of the country. That might be a better plan of action with only one year left.
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Trump, gets gag order.
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Quote:That 90% are fucking morons whose problems will go away only after they stop acting stupid. Government can't fix the stupidity that is ruining them. The morons either fix themselves or suffer.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Sham trial. Meaningless.
Why don't Democrats try to run on issues, or at the very least stop trying to actively destroy the quality of life for 90% of the country. That might be a better plan of action with only one year left.
Take your drinking, 6ix. That was all your fault. When you stopped, that problem went away. I suppose it is imaginable that the government could start a sobriety program for drunks and could make excessive beer drinking illegal, throwing drunk versions of 6ix into jail so that they can finally stop drinking, but in what alternate Universe can that happen? Not this one.
Suppose the problem of the 90% is that they are paid too little and, the complementary problem, they pay too much for their purchases. The 90% could form unions to force their employers to pay employees more and to charge customers less, but the 90% are too stupid to do that. In what alternate Universe will the government make it unnecessary for the 90% to form unions? It would be a universe where the government sets your wages and your prices. That universe is not this universe.
The Democrats do run on issues, things that can be changed in this universe by the government, but there are a whole slew of things the government can't fix for you. You have to fix it yourself or suffer the consequences.
The Democrats' Policies are at https://www.google.com/search?q=democrats+policies These are the only things governments can fix. Republicans promise to fix things the government cannot fix and they promise the impossible fixes will be done quickly and easily, at a low price. 6ix, you got to be one of the 90% of morons who believe Republicans' foolish promises are wise and possible for government. 6ix, your life will end early and badly if you keep believing promises that are nonsense.
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Trump’s Gag Order Is Crafted Perfectly to Withstand a First Amendment Claim
On Tuesday, D.C. District Judge Tanya Chutkan, following a hearing on Monday, issued in writing a partial gag order in Donald Trump’s Jan. 6 prosecution. It is only 3 pages: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148/gov.us
courts.dcd.258148.105.0_1.pdf
She grounded the order in long-standing Supreme Court law that a trial court has a duty to “protect its processes from prejudicial outside interferences” and that “the First Amendment does not override that obligation.” Then, she carefully focused on conduct by Trump that could reasonably be expected to increase the risk of violence to anyone in his trial process — witnesses, prosecutors, and court staff.
What matters to the country and the administration of justice is that Chutkan refused to simply take a one-small-step-at-a-time approach. With Trump’s increasingly violent social postings about witnesses, the judge recognized that halfway measures risk a danger to our justice system — and real-world threats of violence often follow Trump’s pronouncements in short order.
Now comes the hard part. Trump will be compelled by his political strategy to test the limits of the order that the judge issued. In fact, he’s already testing those limits. On Tuesday in Iowa, Trump rallied supporters against Chutkan, saying the “judge doesn’t like me too much.” He added, “I am willing to go to jail if that’s what it takes.”
The order included context for its prohibition on “targeting.” Chutkan cited “undisputed testimony” showing that “when Defendant has publicly attacked individuals … those individuals are consequently threatened and harassed.” She cited in particular Trump’s recent public statements “that particular individuals are ‘liars,’ or ‘thugs,’ or deserve death.”
The Supreme Court has defined “true threats of violence” as words that “subject individuals to ‘fear of violence’ and to the many kinds of ‘disruption that fear engenders.’ ” As recently as June, the Supreme Court ruled that such words are not protected by the First Amendment.
Trump appears not to worry about jeopardizing his defenses in criminal cases by ranting and by defying judges. Instead, he aims to energize his electoral base to donate.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/first-amendment-gag-order-
against-trump.html
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Keep fucking around. Doesn't matter. You're already going to find out.
Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.
All of these slippery slopes Democrats have been ready to use as Slip n' Slides since Trump won in 2016...
Hate Trump All You Like, The Gag Order Is Still Wrong
https://thefederalist.com/2023/10/17/hate-trump-all-you-like-the-gag-o
rder-is-still-wrong/
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This week, U.S. District Court Judge Tanya Chutkan overseeing United States v. Donald Trump issued a gag order prohibiting a leading presidential candidate, Donald Trump, from engaging in speech aimed at “government staff,” among others, during his trial.
Listen, I understand the disdain some conservatives feel for the former president. I share the sentiment. But if you’re cheering on a judge who’s inhibiting political speech on rickety grounds, you’re no friend of the “democracy” or the Constitution.
“Mr. Trump may still vigorously seek public support as a presidential candidate, debate policies and people related to that candidacy, criticize the current administration and assert his belief that this prosecution is politically motivated,” Chutkan explained. “But those critical [F]irst [A]mendment freedoms do not allow him to launch a pre-trial smear campaign against participating government staff, their families and foreseeable witnesses.”
Who is Chutkan to dictate the contours of a presidential candidate’s political speech? What if one of the “participating government staff” or a family member is compromised by partisanship? Moreover, preemptively suggesting that without gagging, Trump will engage in a “smear campaign” is as prejudicial to the case as any of the inflammatory things Trump has thrown around. It implies that any accusation now aimed at prosecutors is untrue.
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Judge tells Trump to shut up until it is Trump's turn to testify. Since the judge makes all the decisions because there is no jury, it behooves Trump to be quiet while the judge listens to testimony.
State lawyer Kevin Wallace requested that the defense be asked to "stop commenting during the witness's testimony," as the "exhortations" were audible to the witness. Judge Engoron then advised all parties to keep their voices down, "particularly if it’s meant to influence the testimony."
https://www.wionews.com/world/donald-trump-scolded-by-judge-for-courtr
oom-interruptions-during-witness-testimony-in-fraud-trial-648642
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Judge tells Trump to shut up until it is Trump's turn to testify. Since the judge makes all the decisions because there is no jury, it behooves Trump to be quiet while the judge listens to testimony.
The no jury thing is sink this whole case. Trump can say whatever he wants to say. This case, which was always going to not go Trump's way from the beginning with this handpicked judge who was appointed by Barack Obama, is going to be appealed and overturned.
Say whatever you want, Trump.
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State lawyer Kevin Wallace requested that the defense be asked to "stop commenting during the witness's testimony," as the "exhortations" were audible to the witness. Judge Engoron then advised all parties to keep their voices down, "particularly if it’s meant to influence the testimony."
Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.
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Laughing here, oh yeah, rolling on the floor.
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As the west will continue to decay...or maybe not
Pop?
Loud Classical
5th symphony, not Chopin's Piano
Rock
Sonata ?
dan du dun dun-dun, da dun dun donnnal
Beethoven Carmen Maria Callas>
something more cliche
and then Tucker
“The World Was Safer Under President Donald J. Trump.”
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/111264204013313265
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Laughing here, oh yeah, rolling on the floor.
Nobody cares, Ted.
We're not going to allow your regime to lock up their competition like we're some 3rd world shithole.
All signs point to a Trump/Biden* rematch, and all signs point to a large Biden* loss.
You'd better fix your fucking party. You're running out of time dicking around with things that aren't going to help you.
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Kenneth Chesebro, pleads guilty in Trump Georgia Rico act trial. He flipped and will testify against Trump.
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Donald Trump fined $5,000 and warned twice about imprisonment
Judge Engoron said, “I want to make clear that Donald Trump is still responsible for the large machine, even if it is a large machine.”
He added: “In the current overheated climate incendiary untruths can and in some cases already has lead to serious physical harm and worse.”
In his order Friday, the judge repeated his warning in no uncertain terms: “Make no mistake: future violations, whether intentional or unintentional, will subject the violator to far more severe sanctions, which may include, but are not limited to, steeper financial penalties, holding Donald Trump in contempt of court, and possibly imprisoning him.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/20/politics/trump-social-media-fraud-trial
-warning/index.html
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Donald Trump fined $5,000 and warned twice about imprisonment
Judge Engoron said, “I want to make clear that Donald Trump is still responsible for the large machine, even if it is a large machine.”
He added: “In the current overheated climate incendiary untruths can and in some cases already has lead to serious physical harm and worse.”
In his order Friday, the judge repeated his warning in no uncertain terms: “Make no mistake: future violations, whether intentional or unintentional, will subject the violator to far more severe sanctions, which may include, but are not limited to, steeper financial penalties, holding Donald Trump in contempt of court, and possibly imprisoning him.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/20/politics/trump-social-media-fraud-trial
-warning/index.html
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Loving it...
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Donald Trump fined $5,000 and warned twice about imprisonment
Judge Engoron said, “I want to make clear that Donald Trump is still responsible for the large machine, even if it is a large machine.”
He added: “In the current overheated climate incendiary untruths can and in some cases already has lead to serious physical harm and worse.”
In his order Friday, the judge repeated his warning in no uncertain terms: “Make no mistake: future violations, whether intentional or unintentional, will subject the violator to far more severe sanctions, which may include, but are not limited to, steeper financial penalties, holding Donald Trump in contempt of court, and possibly imprisoning him.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/20/politics/trump-social-media-fraud-trial
-warning/index.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Trump needs to tell Arthur Engoron to go fuck himself sideways.
Go ahead and arrest Trump, you evil fuck. See what happens then.
This just in: Judge temporarily lifts narrow gag order on Trump in 2020 election interference case
https://apnews.com/article/trump-gag-order-appeal-judge-chutkan-d42e7c
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Useless bitch Tanya Chutkan temporarily lifted the gag order because she knows she risked her job with that unconstitutional gag order and is scared.
Go choke on Tanya's dick, Ted.
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Even the L.A. Times knows that Chutkan fucked up.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/opinion-a-federal-judges-gag-o
rder-against-trump-may-be-satisfying-but-it-isnt-constitutional/ar-AA1infyZ
We will not surrender to your regime.
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lol
Even USA Today isn't on board with the unconstitutional gag order.
Judge Chutkan imposes partial gag order on Trump. But silencing a defendant isn't a good thing.
If the judge had compelled the former president to speak, that would violate his right not to incriminate himself. Yet, when he wants to say something in his defense, she's stepping on that right.
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The judge was correct when she said that the former president “does not have the right to say and do exactly what he pleases.” He doesn’t. He can’t threaten people.
And laws exist to cover that. They’re in the criminal code of every state and the federal government, and if law enforcement thinks Trump violated those statutes then he should be charged as anyone else would be.
The constitutional fallout of Chutkan’s partial gag order is yet to be seen; Trump has said that he’ll appeal it before the case is over.
Stopping him from speaking is stopping him from defending himself, and that’s something no judge presiding over a criminal case should ever be allowed to do.
This is all going to backfire on you.
Trump's polling keeps getting better and better, particularly in the swing states that matter, and he's running away with the betting odds now.
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Breaking news,
Jack Smith Gave Mark Meadows Immunity For Testimony
Loving it...
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Breaking news,
Jack Smith Gave Mark Meadows Immunity For Testimony
Loving it...
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Me too.
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Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.
Trump's been up on Biden in the polls every day since September 12th. There was never a single time leading up to the 2020 election where Biden* wasn't ahead, Ted, and Biden* ended up under-performing the polls by over 3 points on election day.
And of the 7 states in play, Trump is out polling Joe* in 6 of them.
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“I’m looking at polling data, and I’m looking at all of it. The president’s numbers are just not good—and they’re not getting any better,” James Carville, the Democratic strategist, told me, summarizing his recent conversations with Phillips. “I talk to a lot of people who do a lot of congressional-level polling and state polling, and they’re all saying the same thing. There’s not an outlier; there’s not another opinion … The question is, has the country made up its mind?”
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The White House, he said, “operates with what I call this doctrine of strategic certainty,” arguing that Biden is on the same slow-but-steady trajectory he followed in 2020. “Joe Biden has been counted out by the Beltway insiders, pundits, DC media, and anonymous Washington sources time and time again,” the Biden campaign wrote in a statement. “Time and time again, they have been wrong.” The problem is that 2024 bears little resemblance to 2020: Biden is even older, there is a proliferation of third-party and independent candidates, and the Democratic base, which turned out in record numbers in the last presidential election, appears deflated. (“The most under-covered story in contemporary American politics,” Carville said, “is that Black turnout has been miserable everywhere since 2020.”) Carville added that in his own discussions with leading Democrats, when he argues that Biden’s prospects for reelection have grown bleak, “Nobody is saying, ‘James, you’re wrong,’” he told me. “They’re saying, ‘James, you can’t say that.’”
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Quote:6ix, it is too soon to tell who will win.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.
Trump's been up on Biden in the polls every day since September 12th. There was never a single time leading up to the 2020 election where Biden* wasn't ahead, Ted, and Biden* ended up under-performing the polls by over 3 points on election day.
And of the 7 states in play, Trump is out polling Joe* in 6 of them.
The only predictive system that actually works does NOT use polling. "The Keys to the White House" is a checklist of thirteen true/false statements that pertain to the circumstances surrounding a presidential election. When five or fewer of the following statements are false, the incumbent party candidate is predicted to win the election. When six or more are false, the incumbent party is predicted to lose.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Keys_to_the_White_House
What is Allan Lichtman's prediction for the 2024 US presidential election?
The professor who accurately predicted every US president since 1982 says Joe Biden will have significant advantages if he runs again. Although he stopped just short of making a prediction, Mr Lichtman believes the 2024 presidential vote could be problematic for the Republican party.
“It doesn’t look like the Republicans have anyone who fulfills the ‘challenge charisma key’, the once-in-a-generation inspirational candidate, like Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan,” he said, pointing to the potential for a power vacuum in the party.
https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/the-americas/what-is-allan-licht
man-s-prediction-for-the-2024-us-presidential-election-1.1109868
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LOL
Cope some more buddy.
None of Joe*'s problems are going to go away next year and they're only getting worse.
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“It doesn’t look like the Republicans have anyone who fulfills the ‘challenge charisma key’, the once-in-a-generation inspirational candidate, like Franklin Roosevelt or Ronald Reagan,” he said, pointing to the potential for a power vacuum in the party.
Just in case you are confused about Trump's "charisma", he has negative charisma, less-than-zero charisma.
Don't make me post a compilation video of brain-dead Joe* trying to get a sentence out without tripping all over himself.
Joe Biden* is going to get destroyed in the Debates.
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Quote:Just in case you are confused about Trump's "charisma", he has negative charisma, less-than-zero charisma. The only people who would vote for someone like Trump are people who have even less charisma than Trump has. In other words: losers, nitwits, doofuses, Trumptards, etc. You know, angry poor white trash.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
LOL
Cope some more buddy.
None of Joe*'s problems are going to go away next year and they're only getting worse.
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The first thing Jack needs to do to have a life, is to change from a cynic to a skeptic.
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Jack keeps posting Trump will be fine. I offer up the expression on his face in this clip from the courthouse as evidence, about 20 seconds in, he clearly is not doing well. And, he knows it.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Just in case you are confused about Trump's "charisma", he has negative charisma, less-than-zero charisma. The only people who would vote for someone like Trump are people who have even less charisma than Trump has. In other words: losers, nitwits, doofuses, Trumptards, etc. You know, angry poor white trash.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
LOL
Cope some more buddy.
None of Joe*'s problems are going to go away next year and they're only getting worse.
You quoted the wrong part when making that reply, dummy.
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Don't make me post a compilation video of brain-dead Joe* trying to get a sentence out without tripping all over himself.
Joe Biden* is going to get destroyed in the Debates.
Just wait until the debates, moron.
Trump is going to make Biden* cry on stage in front of the entire world.
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George Conway Makes Eerie Prediction About Trump
"This puts him out of business. This case is putting him out of business and that’s his essence. I think that he’s terrified that, you know, he’s not going to have the Trump Tower, and he’s not going to have all the things that he has bragged about for decades, for six decades. That’s going to be gone, and he won’t be able to run a business, and the question is how much money is he going to be allowed to keep from that? And that to him is striking at the core of Donald Trump?" George said of Donald's civil fraud trial on the Monday, October 30, episode of Morning Joe.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/george-conway-makes-eerie-pred
iction-about-trump/ar-AA1j6nBx?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b766ac2219a147619f990a28df1efadb&ei=44
Welp Jack, I am right again.
tick tock tick tock
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Quote:I remember reading Trump's "The Art of the Deal" in a bookstore in 1988 and thinking somebody should hammer this liar into the ground. It was absolutely no surprise when the worthless assholes of America were attracted to Trump and his lies. There is no point in having a debate unless Biden sneaks in a hammer and hits the Nazi Trump in the mouth, breaking out his teeth.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Don't make me post a compilation video of brain-dead Joe* trying to get a sentence out without tripping all over himself.
Joe Biden* is going to get destroyed in the Debates.
Just wait until the debates, moron.
Trump is going to make Biden* cry on stage in front of the entire world.
Download The Art of the Deal from https://libgen.is//search.php?req=Trump+Art+Deal
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I remember reading Trump's "The Art of the Deal" in a bookstore in 1988 and thinking somebody should hammer this liar into the ground. It was absolutely no surprise when the worthless assholes of America were attracted to Trump and his lies. There is no point in having a debate unless Biden sneaks in a hammer and hits the Nazi Trump in the mouth, breaking out his teeth.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Don't make me post a compilation video of brain-dead Joe* trying to get a sentence out without tripping all over himself.
Joe Biden* is going to get destroyed in the Debates.
Just wait until the debates, moron.
Trump is going to make Biden* cry on stage in front of the entire world.
You are so unaware of who you are that it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
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Quote:In the stories that Nazis told while in their winning phase of WWII, the USA and the UK were the villains. The Nazis kept broadcasting their fake stories until they were violently stopped. After all was over, the millions of Nazis never admitted lying or guilt for anything. The West Germans who did apologize for their nation were those who had fled Nazi Germany. The same dynamic happened in the Confederacy. According to the Confederates who stayed, Lincoln and the Abolitionists were the villains. Once the Confederates were violently defeated, they apologized for nothing. They were villains who still pretended to be good guys forever, even on their tombstones and Civil War Monuments.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You are so unaware of who you are that it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
I've known too many Americans masquerading as good and passionately defending their honor and truthfulness when they have neither. And that brings me to Trump being fundamentally dishonorable:
Trump and co-author Schwartz inked a contract that stipulated a 50-50 split from The Art of the Deal book’s royalties. Schwartz revealed that he had received some $1.6 million in 2016 from the book’s royalty payments. What about Trump's royalties? Trump was reported in 1988 to have established the Donald J. Trump Foundation and promised to give the book’s royalties to the needy through the foundation. Trump mentioned giving to AIDs victims, the homeless, and Vietnam veterans, among others.
The Washington Post inquiry, however, showed that there were no donations that actually happened. The Washington Post further inquired into the promised $55,000 Trump donations to charity supposedly done in the first half of 2016. Trump’s camp had no response when asked about this. Did Trump apologize? Or actually make the donations he claimed to have made? No. And No. But Trump did falsely smear the Washington Post for revealing the truth about him.
That story is from Summary of Trump: The Art of the Deal
Donald J. Trump and Tony Schwartz
Conversation Starters
By Paul Adams
There is much more at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Trump_Foundation
When you hang with people long enough, you get to see the real people underneath the Halloween costumes of comic book heroes they wear. All the Trumptards I know well I also know are really scumbags, underneath their disguises and costumes, just like Trump.
Today is Halloween, 6ix. What hero costume are you wearing over your lazy, unemployed scumbag self?
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Chris Christie is a worthless fat fuck of a Bushite.
Add another one to Teds's list of favorite people.
How's that Presidential run going for you, Chris?
Still under 1% are you?
Pence has 1.5% and he dropped out.
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Donald Trump’s testimony turns heated in New York civil fraud trial
By Joshua Chaffin and Joe Miller in New York an hour ago
https://www.ft.com/content/1c247874-bca4-408d-a539-93f5f113ce0b
Donald Trump played down the importance of the financial statements at the centre of a civil fraud lawsuit as he began a tumultuous turn on the witness stand that provoked several rebukes from the judge and turned a New York courtroom into a rambunctious political theatre.
At one point, an irritated Judge Arthur Engoron threatened to remove the former president, telling his attorney: “I beseech you to control him, if you can. If you can’t, I will.”
Trump’s lawyer Christopher Kise said he thought the court “should grant the former president of the US . . . a little latitude to explain himself”. Amid the chaos, Trump shook his head and declared: “This is a very unfair trial. I hope the public is watching.”
Wearing a dark suit, white shirt and blue tie, Trump took the stand just after 10am for the most anticipated moment of a civil trial that began a month ago in the lawsuit brought by New York attorney-general Letitia James.
The judge has already concluded that the ex-president committed fraud by persistently inflating his net worth to secure bank loans and insurance policies for the Trump Organization on advantageous terms.
At stake in his testimony is whether Trump will be forced to pay crippling penalties upwards of $250mn and be stripped — along with his adult sons, Donald Jr and Eric — of the ability to operate a business in New York.
Trump set the tone early, responding to “yes or no” questions with expansive lectures about the art of real estate valuation, digressions and diatribes about the legal cases against him.
By turns haughty, cool and aggrieved, he used the witness stand to lash out at his adversaries and discredit the process.
“People don’t know how good a company I built because people like you go around and try to demean me,” he said, referring to the state’s lawyers. On another occasion, he wagged his finger at the judge and fumed: “‘He called me a fraud, and he didn’t know anything about me!”
On the substantive issue of the financial statements, Trump dismissed their importance and minimised his involvement in their preparation.
“I would look at them. I would see them. Maybe on occasion I would have some suggestions,” he replied when asked by Kevin Wallace, a lawyer for the New York attorney-general, about his involvement in their preparation.
For lenders, “they were almost valueless”, he admitted, because they carried a legal disclaimer that indicated they should not be relied upon. Even so, Trump said, his brand was worth far more than stated in the reports.
The image of a former president sworn under oath and seated in the witness stand offered a vivid reminder of the legal problems besetting Trump as he plots a course back to the White House.
The leading contender for the Republican nomination is facing three criminal trials in the coming months stemming from his alleged attempt to overturn the 2020 presidential election and his handling of classified documents after he left office. He has been charged in a fourth criminal case, brought by Manhattan district attorney Alvin Bragg, with masterminding hush money payments to a porn actress with whom he allegedly had an affair.
Trump has denied wrongdoing in all matters, and dismissed the cases as partisan witch-hunts meant to end his political career.
The former president was a scowling presence in the early days of the New York civil fraud trial, using a phalanx of cameras outside the courtroom to broadcast to his supporters during breaks in the action and attack the state’s attorney-general and the judge.
He sat briefly in the witness chair when the judge halted the proceedings a few weeks ago to question Trump about disparaging comments he had made about a law clerk in violation of a partial gag order. The judge deemed the former president’s testimony “not credible” in that instance. In total Trump has been f
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Quote:Trump is a fatso and he is crazy, unlike Christie:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Chris Christie is a worthless fat fuck of a Bushite.
New York Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron pointedly urged Donald Trump’s lawyer to control his client, repeatedly asking the former president to stay on topic and avoid making long-winded political statements during his testimony.... “Mr. Kise, can you control your client?” Engoron said. “This is not a political rally. This is a courtroom.”
....Kise took a $3 million retainer to join Trump’s legal team and made sure he was paid upfront. He has clashed with other Trump lawyers. He’s largely been quiet as his client has attacked the judge and court staff. It will be challenging now to rein Trump in.
Whatever else you can say, Trump's sure isn't helping himself with his testimony. He just can't stand being in a situation where he can't just say and do anything he wants.
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Trump was unhinged in court today. Completely unhinged.
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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.
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Quote:Really? This brings to mind some dialogue between the Operative and Mal in the movie Serenity:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.
You really believe that?
I do.
You willing to die for that belief?
I am. Of course, that ain't exactly Plan A...
https://imsdb.com/scripts/Serenity.html
I don't think Trump has a Plan A, B, or C. Rather than plan ahead, Trump is placing his life in the hands of voters to overwhelmingly elect him. Maybe Trump’s Not Trying to Win His Civil Trial in New York:
At one point in the trial, the judge asked Trump’s lawyer, ‘Could you please get your client under control?’ The response was, ‘I will not violate my client’s First Amendment rights,’ which is such an absurd response. In the courtroom, there’s no First Amendment right to say whatever you want to say. You’re under oath to answer questions truthfully.
Trump’s testimony this week could also give us an indication of how he may act in the four criminal cases ahead of him.
“This is really all just a performance for Donald Trump. This is a show to provide a false narrative to his supporters that he is a victim, that he is being railroaded by prosecutors in the courts, and that he will continue to show that he is above the law,” McQuade said. “I think he anticipates that he will lose this case. And this way when he loses, he will be able to say to his supporters, ‘See, I told you all along they had it in for me.’ It really does make me wonder whether he won’t use the same strategy in one or more of his trials. Maybe all four of them.”
Barbara McQuade is a law professor at the University of Michigan and a former U.S. attorney for Michigan’s Eastern District.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/11/donald-trump-civil-trial-m
anhattan-new-york-testimony-fraud-case-strategy.html
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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.
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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.
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Trump’s crumbling business empire just took another $73 million hit
More news emerged yesterday about Donald Trump’s crumbling business empire. After launching his own social media platform, Truth Social, in early 2022, new filings reveal it has lost around $73 million in net sales.
The financial disclosure form was made by Digital World Acquisition Corp. (DWAC). It’s a merger partner with Trump Media & Technology Group (TMTG). Trump launched TMTG in 2021, boasting it would rival tech giants such as Facebook.
The Hollywood Reporter was the first to pick up the story. The filings reveals that in 2022 Truth social lost $50 million and made just $1.4 million net sales. It fared slightly better this year, bringing in $2.3 million in sales but again losing $23 million so far.
Ouch.
Trump’s stake in Truth Social is believed to be worth somewhere in the region of $5-$25 million
It doesn’t take a business genius to work out the situation is dire. The filing itself notes, “[Trump Media & Technology Group’s] independent registered public accounting firm has indicated that TMTG’s financial condition raises substantial doubt as to its ability to continue as a going concern.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/trump-s-crumbling-business-emp
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Laughing here, yep, laughing.
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Miller’s admission capped a whirlwind series of developments that began Monday, when footage surfaced of proffer sessions the four defendants who pleaded guilty — ex-Trump lawyers Jenna Ellis, Sidney Powell and Kenneth Chesebro, plus former Georgia bail bondsman Scott Hall — participated in as part of their deals with state prosecutors.
Their confessions, published first by ABC News and the Washington Post, bolster the narrative laid out in Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’s 98-page indictment that Trump led the charge on efforts to subvert Georgia’s 2020 presidential election results in his favor.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4311369-lawyer-georgia-de
fendant-trump-election-case-admits-leaking-witness-video/
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Typical story about how slow American justice system operates: FAIRFIELD, Iowa — One of the two Fairfield teens who admitted to killing a high school teacher was sentenced Wednesday to life in prison. Jeremy Goodale, who pleaded guilty in April to killing Fairfield High School Spanish teacher Nohema Graber back in November 2021, must spend at least 25 years in prison before the possibility of parole.
https://www.kcci.com/article/watch-live-sentencing-for-jeremy-goodale-
who-admitted-to-killing-fairfield-high-school-teacher-nohema-graber/45834502
Two years it took to get to sentencing. And the defendant had to plead guilty. And it was the simplest imaginable case. Trump is not going to plead guilty to anything, which means that this kid will be paroled before all of Trump's appeals to higher courts are over.
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Originally posted by THG:
Trump’s crumbling business empire just took another $73 million hit
More news emerged yesterday about Donald Trump’s crumbling business empire. After launching his own social media platform, Truth Social, in early 2022, new filings reveal it has lost around $73 million in net sales.
The financial disclosure form was made by Digital World Acquisition Corp. (DWAC). It’s a merger partner with Trump Media & Technology Group (TMTG). Trump launched TMTG in 2021, boasting it would rival tech giants such as Facebook.
The Hollywood Reporter was the first to pick up the story. The filings reveals that in 2022 Truth social lost $50 million and made just $1.4 million net sales. It fared slightly better this year, bringing in $2.3 million in sales but again losing $23 million so far.
Ouch.
Trump’s stake in Truth Social is believed to be worth somewhere in the region of $5-$25 million
It doesn’t take a business genius to work out the situation is dire. The filing itself notes, “[Trump Media & Technology Group’s] independent registered public accounting firm has indicated that TMTG’s financial condition raises substantial doubt as to its ability to continue as a going concern.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/trump-s-crumbling-business-emp
ire-just-took-another-73-million-hit/ar-AA1jUVuF?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDGEXST&cvid=2cd7c3bfcbf040d9b572e233ca1b84e4&ei=27
Laughing here, yep, laughing.
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You're always laughing because you're an idiot, Ted.
You want to talk big losses? Look at Twitter between 2010 and 2021.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/274563/annual-net-income-of-twitte
r/
The problem with Social Media is nobody has figured out how to make it profitable.
And now that venture capital has dried up with high interest rates they're all in a dire situation.
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Originally posted by second:
Typical story about how slow American justice system operates: FAIRFIELD, Iowa — One of the two Fairfield teens who admitted to killing a high school teacher was sentenced Wednesday to life in prison. Jeremy Goodale, who pleaded guilty in April to killing Fairfield High School Spanish teacher Nohema Graber back in November 2021, must spend at least 25 years in prison before the possibility of parole.
https://www.kcci.com/article/watch-live-sentencing-for-jeremy-goodale-
who-admitted-to-killing-fairfield-high-school-teacher-nohema-graber/45834502
Two years it took to get to sentencing. And the defendant had to plead guilty. And it was the simplest imaginable case. Trump is not going to plead guilty to anything, which means that this kid will be paroled before all of Trump's appeals to higher courts are over.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.
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Quote:I see why you are so confident. If I were you I'd be confident, too! (I'd also be childless, poor, and diabetic if I were you.) Here is why Trump will win:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.
The same guys who helped Trump's campaign investigate Hunter Biden were paid off by Russians, Ukrainian prosecutors allege
• Three Ukrainian men have been charged with treason in their home country.
• Prosecutors say the men were being paid off by Russian agents.
• The trio helped Rudy Giuliani and the Trump campaign investigate Hunter Biden for the 2020 election.
Three Ukrainian men — including a sitting politician — helped the Trump campaign investigate Hunter Biden before the 2020 election.
They were also working with Russian spies, Ukrainian prosecutors now allege.
In exchange for working on "information subversive activities" around the 2020 US election, the men were paid $10 million.
https://news.yahoo.com/same-guys-helped-trumps-campaign-000146602.html
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Awwwwwww... Somebody woke up in a shitty mood today, huh?
Have fun at work today doing your regular wageslave thing, honey!
Poor, childless, little 'ole diabetic me is going to be doing whatever the fuck he feels like doing.
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Meanwhile, in reality...
On this day in 2019, Joe Biden* was up in the polling aggregate by 10.2 points.
On this day in 2015, Hillary Clinton was up in the polling aggregate by 4.4 points.
Joe Biden* only "beat" Trump by little over 3 points. It's been a while, but if I remember correctly, Hillary Clinton lost that match.
Trump is up on Biden* today by 1.3 points.
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Unlike SIX, I'm not saying that Trump will be fine. Im fully aware that the deep state can maliciously persecute and prosecute anyone who seriously challenges their power. If character assasination and lawfare don't work, there's always actual assassination.
As Chuck Schumer said, the CIA can get Trump "six ways from Sunday", and right now they're working on method #5.
But that's a tyranny, not how the USA is supposed to work.
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Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
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Ted wouldn't be a Democrat if he wasn't cheerleading tyranny.
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THUGR and SECOND should recognize that everything the DNC SAYS that Trump would do - destroy democracy etc....the DNC are doing themselves.
Widespread censorship to protect "freedom of speech?"
Weaponize the DOJ against political opponents but let criminal go free for justice?
Pit races, sexes, and genders against each other to end racism, sexism, and intolerance?
How can anyone have so little self-awareness?
Ok, I understand that SECOND is a sociopath and a liar, and that he virtue-sigbals as camouflage.
But I trust that THUGR is sincere and loves America. Doesn't he realize that he is trying to destroy the rights that make America the bold experiment that it is?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THUGR and SECOND should recognize that everything the DNC SAYS that Trump would do - destroy democracy etc....the DNC are doing themselves.
Widespread censorship to protect "freedom of speech?"
Weaponize the DOJ against political opponents but let criminal go free for justice?
Pit races, sexes, and genders against each other to end racism, sexism, and intolerance?
How can anyone have so little self-awareness?
Ok, I understand that SECOND is a sociopath and a liar, and that he virtue-sigbals as camouflage.
But I trust that THUGR is sincere and loves America. Doesn't he realize that he is trying to destroy the rights that make America the bold experiment that it is?
Ted is lacking in self-awareness, but he's merely naive.
Second's skipping the prison talk and just outright advocating for murdering people he doesn't agree with.
Just look at this recent exchange tonight...
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=65372&mid=11843
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Originally posted by second:
21st-century surveys mostly consider James Buchanan, Lincoln's predecessor, as the worst president for his lack of leadership during the build-up to the Civil War. Imagine Biden faced with the same situation. Would Biden let Jefferson Davis, the Confederate, become President instead of arresting Jeff Davis? Hopefully, Biden will see the parallels with James Buchanan foolishly ignoring Jeff Davis' stated plans, and he will not let Trump become President.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
That's some third-world Dictator shit you're talking right there.
Yanno... The type of shit all the Leftists in the Media keep claiming that Trump is going to do once he wins next year.
P.S. Biden doesn't know who any of those people are. Including Trump.
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Originally posted by second:
The fundamental problem with the so-called "good" people is that they won't kill bad people unless there is a long and drawn-out process in courts that takes many years. Essentially, "good" people, even the most powerful, don't want to take responsibility for what happens but would wish with their entire soul and being to make it completely confusing and unclear who is responsible for handling bad people, such as Trump. On the other hand, bad people won't reciprocate since bad people have no compunctions against killing good people.
By the way, the Founding Fathers went to war with the King of England. They would kill bad people with only a moment's notice. Trump would have had to flee to England or be hanged by the Revolutionaries. That Jefferson Davis was not hanged for treason says the USA got legalistic, weak, and silly. The Confederates had no problem with murdering Lincoln. They cheered his death.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
"Good" is subjective.
At least half the country would think you were an abomination if they read all the shit you post here. Especially under your banned Reaverfan handle. Including a lot of people who don't vote Republican.
There's a lot of Democrats out there that aren't evil.
You're not one of them.
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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
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SECOND is trying to habituate people to the idea of assasination being a good thing. He's trying to normalize it.
Assasination is easy to consider when the person is dead, and the information that is presented is truncated. So, sure, let's assasinate Buchanan! Hypothetically anyway.
From there it's just a quick skip to approving assasination of someone living. Someone the presenter really hates. Its like an online Milgram experiment.
It's really easy to accuse someone of being "evil". "Evil" is a strong word, and even if it's a brainwashing technique it really sticks.
So, I say that SECOND is evil.
Unlike Buchanan, he's around to defend himself.
Let him defend himself.
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Quote:Have you ever heard of the thought experiment where a time traveler kills Adolf Hitler before he becomes powerful and therefore the German people do not achieve their dream of der Lebensraum? Trump has certainly let the American people know that he will help some of them, but not all, achieve their dream world. What Donald Trump is now expressly promising is perfectly clear.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND is trying to habituate people to the idea of assasination being a good thing. He's trying to normalize it.
Assasination is easy to consider when the person is dead, and the information that is presented is truncated. So, sure, let's assasinate Buchanan! Hypothetically anyway.
From there it's just a quick skip to approving assasination of someone living. Someone the presenter really hates. Its like an online Milgram experiment.
It's really easy to accuse someone of being "evil". "Evil" is a strong word, and even if it's a brainwashing technique it really sticks.
So, I say that SECOND is evil.
Unlike Buchanan, he's around to defend himself.
Let him defend himself.
Gone are the gauzy illusions that he just wants to make America safe. Gone are the double and triple meanings that the press used to parse for days. Donald Trump used to be described as inadvertently saying the quiet parts out loud, but now he is quite purposefully and openly calling for mass deportations and the murder of his opponents and martial law.
As ever, there are observers arguing that Trump has just lost temporary control of his mouth when he says these things. Let’s be clear: Those people are making a staggering category error.
Now, when Trump threatens a law clerk or pledges to use the Justice Department to “go after” the Biden family, we don’t need to wonder if he really means it because we have learned, firsthand, that he is not joking.
Partly and understandably, the American public has become thoroughly numb to Trump’s verbal excesses and bluster — most of his lines are repetitive and tired, so they elicit less response than they once did. But it’s also fundamentally the case that the things Trump whispered at and winked about once are now broadly and openly stated. In fact, the very same things — like separating migrant families at the border — that used to be implemented in secret and denied in public are now overtly set forth as policy and justified as wins. So instead of asking ourselves why Trump openly speaks in this violent, dangerous way to the American public, shouldn’t we instead be trying to parse what, precisely, allows the American public to be spoken to this way?
Peter Wehner attempts to answer this question in an essay in the Atlantic by explaining that what Trump uses speech to do — dehumanize his political opponents — allows his followers to become ever more comfortable with the idea of treating them like animals:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/trump-becoming-frigh
teningly-clear-about-what-he-wants/676086/
In 2019, Kennedy Ndahiro, the editor of the Rwandan daily newspaper The New Times, explained to readers of The Atlantic how years of cultivated hatred had led to death on a horrifying scale.
“In Rwanda,” he wrote, “we know what can happen when political leaders and media outlets single out certain groups of people as less than human.”
Ndahiro pointed out that in 1959, Joseph Habyarimana Gitera, an influential political figure within the largest ethnic group in Rwanda, the Hutus, had openly called for the elimination of the Tutsi, the second-largest of Rwanda’s ethnic groups. Gitera referred to the Tutsi as “vermin.”
“The stigmatization and dehumanization of the Tutsi had begun,” Ndahiro wrote. It culminated in a 100-day stretch in 1994 when an estimated 1 million people were killed, the majority of whom were Tutsi. “The worst kind of hatred had been unleashed,” Ndahiro wrote. “What began with dehumanizing words ended in bloodshed.”
I THOUGHT ABOUT the events that led up to the Rwandan
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND is trying to habituate people to the idea of assasination being a good thing. He's trying to normalize it.
Assasination is easy to consider when the person is dead, and the information that is presented is truncated. So, sure, let's assasinate Buchanan! Hypothetically anyway.
From there it's just a quick skip to approving assasination of someone living. Someone the presenter really hates. Its like an online Milgram experiment.
It's really easy to accuse someone of being "evil". "Evil" is a strong word, and even if it's a brainwashing technique it really sticks.
So, I say that SECOND is evil.
Unlike Buchanan, he's around to defend himself.
Let him defend himself.
SECOND: Adolf Hitler ... Trump
So now you're insinuating that Trump is like Hitler.
I say YOU'RE like Hitler. After all aren't you the one who says that the elite are the master race and the rest of humanity (including most Americans) are just meaningless hairless chimps? That people who get in your way should be killed?
How Hitlerian of you!
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Quote:Signym, you know exactly what Trump is doing and you approve:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So now you're insinuating that Trump is like Hitler.
I say YOU'RE like Hitler. After all aren't you the one who says that the elite are the master race and the rest of humanity (including most Americans) are just meaningless hairless chimps? That people who get in your way should be killed?
How Hitlerian of you!
Dehumanizers view their targets as having “a human appearance but a subhuman essence,” according to David Livingstone Smith, a philosophy professor who has written on the history and complicated psychological roots of dehumanization. “It is the dehumanizer’s nagging awareness of the other’s humanity that gives dehumanization its distinctive psychological flavor,” he writes. “Ironically, it is our inability to regard other people as nothing but animals that leads to unimaginable cruelty and destructiveness.” Dehumanized people can be turned into something worse than animals; they can be turned into monsters. They aren’t just dangerous; they are metaphysically threatening. They are not just subhuman; they are irredeemably destructive.
THAT IS THE WICKEDLY SHREWD rhetorical and psychological game that Trump is playing, and he plays it very well. Alone among American politicians, he has an intuitive sense of how to inflame detestations and resentments within his supporters while also deepening their loyalty to him, even their reverence for him.
Trump’s opponents, including the press, are “truly the enemy of the people.” He demanded that the parent company of MSNBC and NBC be investigated for “treason” over what he described as “one-side[d] and vicious coverage.” He insinuated on his social network, Truth Social, that the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Milley, deserved to be executed for committing treason. At a Trump event in Iowa, days after that post, one Trump supporter asked why Milley wasn’t “in there before a firing squad within a month.” Another told NBC News, “Treason is treason. There’s only one cure for treason: being put to death.”
Trump has taken to mocking the violent attack on Nancy Pelosi’s husband, which left him with a fractured skull that required surgery and other serious injuries. Special Counsel Jack Smith, who has brought two indictments against the former president, is a “Trump-hating prosecutor” who is “deranged” and a “disgrace to America”—and whose wife and family “despise me much more than he does.” The former president posted the name, photo, and private Instagram account of a law clerk serving Judge Arthur Engoron, who is currently presiding over Trump’s civil fraud trial and whom Trump despises and has repeatedly attacked, describing him as “CRAZY” and “CRAZED in his hatred of me.” (Trump later deleted the Truth Social post targeting the law clerk, whom he called a “Trump Hating Clerk,” but not until after it had been widely disseminated.)
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/trump-becoming-frigh
teningly-clear-about-what-he-wants/676086/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Signym, you know exactly what Trump is doing and you approve:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So now you're insinuating that Trump is like Hitler.
I say YOU'RE like Hitler. After all aren't you the one who says that the elite are the master race and the rest of humanity (including most Americans) are just meaningless hairless chimps? That people who get in your way should be killed?
How Hitlerian of you!
Dehumanizers view their targets as having “a human appearance but a subhuman essence,” ...
Yes, and that is EXACTLY what YOU do. "Trumptards", Russians, the overwhelming majority of people in the world... all less than human to you. "Hairless chimps" you called us. Orcs. Not worthy to live. Extermination fodder.
I haven't heard Trump use the language that you use. I haven't heard PUTIN use the language that you do. Only you and fascists like you.
And no, I don't approve.
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