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Just finished watching watching the latest Predator movie called ,"Prey". It was an interesting spin on the franchise. Good story it moved well. I liked it.
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Just finished watching watching the latest Predator movie called ,"Prey". It was an interesting spin on the franchise. Good story it moved well. I liked it.
I haven't heard of this flick
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Just finished watching watching the latest Predator movie called ,"Prey". It was an interesting spin on the franchise. Good story it moved well. I liked it.
I haven't heard of this flick
Yeah. I remember hearing about it a year or two ago. It actually seemed somewhat interesting.
As well as I can remember I don't recall anybody bashing it for DEI or anything like that, and though it may not have been raved about I don't remember any real complaints about it either. I actually think I remember some people praising it for finally being a good Predator movie for the first time in decades.
If memory serves, and Brenda can correct me if I'm wrong, it centers around earlier times in history and either Native Americans or Native Canadians? And I believe the main character is either a girl or a young woman from one of the tribes?
I'm fine with that and wouldn't call it woke at all. There's no reason why Predators couldn't be coming to Earth for a hunt a hundred, 200 or even 1,000 years before we first saw them in the 1980s. And as long as the girl/young woman doesn't have superhero powers or there aren't any scenes where a 100 lb woman physically beats down a monster 3 times her size, they can do it in a way where she can outsmart her adversary in a believable way.
The only two reasons I have never gotten around to watch it is that I hardly watch anything, and (at least prior to this) Hollywood hasn't managed to make a good Predator movie since Predator II, so I'd been kind of turned off by the idea of watching another one after wasting my time with things like AvP.
If you do end up watching it too Whozit, I'd like to hear you post your opinion about it here as well.
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Just finished watching watching the latest Predator movie called ,"Prey". It was an interesting spin on the franchise. Good story it moved well. I liked it.
I haven't heard of this flick
Yeah. I remember hearing about it a year or two ago. It actually seemed somewhat interesting.
As well as I can remember I don't recall anybody bashing it for DEI or anything like that, and though it may not have been raved about I don't remember any real complaints about it either. I actually think I remember some people praising it for finally being a good Predator movie for the first time in decades.
If memory serves, and Brenda can correct me if I'm wrong, it centers around earlier times in history and either Native Americans or Native Canadians? And I believe the main character is either a girl or a young woman from one of the tribes?
I'm fine with that and wouldn't call it woke at all. There's no reason why Predators couldn't be coming to Earth for a hunt a hundred, 200 or even 1,000 years before we first saw them in the 1980s. And as long as the girl/young woman doesn't have superhero powers or there aren't any scenes where a 100 lb woman physically beats down a monster 3 times her size, they can do it in a way where she can outsmart her adversary in a believable way.
The only two reasons I have never gotten around to watch it is that I hardly watch anything, and (at least prior to this) Hollywood hasn't managed to make a good Predator movie since Predator II, so I'd been kind of turned off by the idea of watching another one after wasting my time with things like AvP.
If you do end up watching it too Whozit, I'd like to hear you post your opinion about it here as well.
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You are correct SIX. The story centres around a young Comanche woman and it is set in 1791.
She had no super powers she was just very good at tracking and reading animals signs. Her brother and some other young warriors thought they were just hunting a cougar but she knew it wasn't just a big cat. Her and her brother brought the cat down and I don't know about adding any more spoilers because of whozit.
It does delve a little into the culture of the Comanche as the young woman learned medicine from her mother but she is also a warrior. Which was common for her people.
She also made first contact with the white man. A group of trappers, hunting small game and bison. Her dog got caught in one of their traps, but the trappers weren't seen for a while more until she stumbles upon a herd of dead bison. Typical style of profiteers, take the hides and leave the meat to rot in the sun. Oddly enough they made the trappers French. *L*
I'm laughing as it is kind of an insult to my French Canadian great grandfather who was a trapper. Don't know if he went after bison though.
As I said up a bit. She is a perfectly normal young woman, who just uses her knowledge to do what she has to do to protect her people.
Very refreshing for me.
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You are correct SIX. The story centres around a young Comanche woman and it is set in 1791.
She had no super powers she was just very good at tracking and reading animals signs. Her brother and some other young warriors thought they were just hunting a cougar but she knew it wasn't just a big cat. Her and her brother brought the cat down and I don't know about adding any more spoilers because of whozit.
It does delve a little into the culture of the Comanche as the young woman learned medicine from her mother but she is also a warrior. Which was common for her people.
She also made first contact with the white man. A group of trappers, hunting small game and bison. Her dog got caught in one of their traps, but the trappers weren't seen for a while more until she stumbles upon a herd of dead bison. Typical style of profiteers, take the hides and leave the meat to rot in the sun. Oddly enough they made the trappers French. *L*
I'm laughing as it is kind of an insult to my French Canadian great grandfather who was a trapper. Don't know if he went after bison though.
I appreciate no spoilers, since this one is probably on my list of movies I will eventually get to watching.
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As I said up a bit. She is a perfectly normal young woman, who just uses her knowledge to do what she has to do to protect her people.
Very refreshing for me.
I think that's refreshing for all of us.
I think it was especially refreshing back in 2022, which is probably why I remembered as much about it as I did.
What a lot of people don't understand because of the Media is that us white dudes have never complained about women in leading rolls. Not once. But when you're talking about situations where a woman is just badass because "woman" and nothing is earned, nobody wants to see yet another movie where frail little things are constantly beating the shit out of men twice their size because they're just perfect at everything they do because "woman".
I loved Fallout, and I love the main character of Lucy. As I said when the trailer dropped, there were ways for them to do her character where people would love her, and there were plenty of ways for them to do her character that would be completely unbelievable and people would hate her. They actually got it right. All of it. She wraps up after 8 episodes being kind of a badass herself, but it was all earned. She's been through a lot of shit. But despite how bad it all was, she's still that idealistic and naive young girl raised in paradise compared to what people have been living with on the surface and still believes in the good side of people.
THAT'S what we've been starved of for a very, very long time in Cinema and TV.
I'm glad that overall things seem to be turning around back to good story telling, and I'm pretty impressed that the makers of "Prey" managed to do that about 2 years ahead of the curve.
I definitely should give this one a watch. Thanks for reminding me that it was a movie that was made.
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As shown in Predator 2,, they've been coming at least since 1715 - the flintlock from Raphael Aidolimi was dated 1715. Likely they've been coming since we first developed firearms and therefore became interesting to them.
In my own fanfic on FanFic.net, Night Watch, there's evidence to suggest they've been coming for at least 9,000 years. Maybe they didn't have such advanced weaponry then, so even without our firearms it was a more even match.
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You are correct SIX. The story centres around a young Comanche woman and it is set in 1791.
She had no super powers she was just very good at tracking and reading animals signs. Her brother and some other young warriors thought they were just hunting a cougar but she knew it wasn't just a big cat. Her and her brother brought the cat down and I don't know about adding any more spoilers because of whozit.
It does delve a little into the culture of the Comanche as the young woman learned medicine from her mother but she is also a warrior. Which was common for her people.
She also made first contact with the white man. A group of trappers, hunting small game and bison. Her dog got caught in one of their traps, but the trappers weren't seen for a while more until she stumbles upon a herd of dead bison. Typical style of profiteers, take the hides and leave the meat to rot in the sun. Oddly enough they made the trappers French. *L*
I'm laughing as it is kind of an insult to my French Canadian great grandfather who was a trapper. Don't know if he went after bison though.
I appreciate no spoilers, since this one is probably on my list of movies I will eventually get to watching.Quote:
As I said up a bit. She is a perfectly normal young woman, who just uses her knowledge to do what she has to do to protect her people.
Very refreshing for me.
I think that's refreshing for all of us.
I think it was especially refreshing back in 2022, which is probably why I remembered as much about it as I did.
What a lot of people don't understand because of the Media is that us white dudes have never complained about women in leading rolls. Not once. But when you're talking about situations where a woman is just badass because "woman" and nothing is earned, nobody wants to see yet another movie where frail little things are constantly beating the shit out of men twice their size because they're just perfect at everything they do because "woman".
I loved Fallout, and I love the main character of Lucy. As I said when the trailer dropped, there were ways for them to do her character where people would love her, and there were plenty of ways for them to do her character that would be completely unbelievable and people would hate her. They actually got it right. All of it. She wraps up after 8 episodes being kind of a badass herself, but it was all earned. She's been through a lot of shit. But despite how bad it all was, she's still that idealistic and naive young girl raised in paradise compared to what people have been living with on the surface and still believes in the good side of people.
THAT'S what we've been starved of for a very, very long time in Cinema and TV.
I'm glad that overall things seem to be turning around back to good story telling, and I'm pretty impressed that the makers of "Prey" managed to do that about 2 years ahead of the curve.
I definitely should give this one a watch. Thanks for reminding me that it was a movie that was made.
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I tried to not be spoilery as you said and whozit said that you hadn't seen it. I've been waiting to find a copy at my local library and you can see the whys of that.
I'll also mention there is the usual family dynamics going on. Her mother taught her about making medicine and is worried about her. Her older brother doesn't think she is right but finally has to give in. Also normal. Just life and just being who she is and that was accepted by her people.
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This was from 2022. Another Prey is 2024.
So that was the summer of Maverick.
I had thought I'd seen the most recent Predator entry, but that was a different film. Don't think I've seen this one.
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As shown in Predator 2,, they've been coming at least since 1715 - the flintlock from Raphael Aidolimi was dated 1715. Likely they've been coming since we first developed firearms and therefore became interesting to them.
In my own fanfic on FanFic.net, Night Watch, there's evidence to suggest they've been coming for at least 9,000 years. Maybe they didn't have such advanced weaponry then, so even without our firearms it was a more even match.
Good point, Anonymouse.
I probably haven't watched Predator II since the early/mid 90's and I totally forgot about the flintlock and how far back that would have dated Predator appearances. And since that means I would have seen it on something no bigger than a 36" tube TV, I might not have even been able to make out any details of the gun at the time anyhow.
But I do remember that scene very well and my brother and I thinking how awesome it was that there was a Xenomorph skull trophy in there. Shortly after that we got to play the Aliens vs. Predator arcade game and our imaginations were running wild about what an Aliens vs. Predator movie would look like. Then something like 15 years later they finally get around to making one and it was complete horseshit.
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This was from 2022. Another Prey is 2024.
So that was the summer of Maverick.
I had thought I'd seen the most recent Predator entry, but that was a different film. Don't think I've seen this one.
I don't recall if it got a theatrical release or if it was just a Netflix or Amazon exclusive.
Doing a quick search on the-numbers.com only leads to a different Prey movie from 2021, and when I search for Prey on BoxOfficeMojo I don't see it at all there either.
Pretty sure it was made for streaming, which is probably why you missed it. I only heard about it because some of the regulars I watch on youtube mentioned it for a week or two and then I never heard anybody bring it up again.
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I tried to not be spoilery as you said and whozit said that you hadn't seen it. I've been waiting to find a copy at my local library and you can see the whys of that.
I'll also mention there is the usual family dynamics going on. Her mother taught her about making medicine and is worried about her. Her older brother doesn't think she is right but finally has to give in. Also normal. Just life and just being who she is and that was accepted by her people.
Sounds good to me. I'm pretty much sold on it.
Thanks for bringing it up.
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Just looked into it and it was made by 20th Century Studios and it was released on Hulu and Disney+ with no theatrical release outside of a screening at the San Diego Comic Con in 2022.
Apparently Disney only wanted to release bad movies in the theaters in 2022 as well.
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I tried to not be spoilery as you said and whozit said that you hadn't seen it. I've been waiting to find a copy at my local library and you can see the whys of that.
I'll also mention there is the usual family dynamics going on. Her mother taught her about making medicine and is worried about her. Her older brother doesn't think she is right but finally has to give in. Also normal. Just life and just being who she is and that was accepted by her people.
Sounds good to me. I'm pretty much sold on it.
Thanks for bringing it up.
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You are most welcome.
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So I watched it...
It was enjoyable enough. Better than AvP and whatever other Aliens and/or Predator movies I've seen post Predator II or Alien: Resurrection, for sure.
Here's my thoughts on it. (*****SPOILER WARNING AHEAD******).
PROS:
1. The setting and cinematography. I thought it was filmed beautifully, and I love going back to the wildlife setting in a Predator movie.
2. The early Native American perspective was a nice change of pace, along with the French trappers who were only slightly more advanced technologically over them compared to the Predator. Unlike the AvP style garbage where we live in a world where top scientist and government types are well aware of all of this, you're thrust back into a world where we don't know shit about anything and this "should" be terrifying.
3. I liked the acting well enough, although I don't think that they were really given too much to work with script wise.
CONS:
1. The sub-titles. Not sure if I just got bad ones or not, but I don't like it when there are foreign languages being used and the subtitles are not in English. It didn't happen too often in the movie, but there were enough scenes where you just have to assume you know what they're talking about based off of the situation and their reactions alone. I also found it jarring that all the Natives spoke crystal clear English most of the movie, except for when they didn't.
2. The Predator is a dick. At least in the newer movies the humans have some sort of way of fighting back, but this Predator was basically just taking a shotgun and shooting an aquarium to smithereens with it. Although they did tone down the capabilities of the Predators somewhat in this movie, the gap between what defenses the humans had against the Predator was amplified by 100 times.
And I do understand that it could be interesting to show that maybe the Predator's arsenal was quite a bit weaker 200-300 years earlier than the original movies, but it's not very convincing when you consider they're still capable of interstellar travel and they have cloaking technology. I'm really not buying that instead of having high powered explosive laser weaponry from the first few movies that he's got nothing but ordinary bolts to fire out here. It is possible that this isn't true and the Predator chose to outfit themselves with inferior weaponry because of how primitive everyone on earth was a, but that isn't hinted at. Although, to be fair, given the nature of these movies I don't know how you really could get that point across even if you wanted to.
3. It was a little too "Girl Power" for my tastes. And I really did try to go into this with as much as an open mind as I could.
In the beginning, my first warning signs on this issue were everyone in her tribe telling her she couldn't hunt, which is basically every flashback Carol Danvers has in Captain Marvel.
The next warning signs were, just after showing how skilled the men in the tribe could hunt when they showed her older brother effortlessly shoot down a hawk that looked to be over a mile or two away with an arrow, they spend the 2nd act of the movie making her look great by making all the hunting males in her tribe lower-double-digit-IQ levels of stupid. I felt they dumbed them down so much that there was no reasonable expectation for the audience to believe this tribe could even have survived on its own against real wildlife, let alone defend against an alien hunting them. Not only that, but then the scene where she wouldn't go home and the men in her tribe started beating the shit out of her to get her to go home. I don't believe for a second that they would have done that to one of their own women in the first place since especially back in the 1700's women were a prized commodity for a tribe, but again, they had her beating one of her own back so hard he couldn't even talk right when she got through with him. This is supposed to be on
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I honestly feel bad that I appear to have killed this conversation.
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I didn't hate the movie or anything.
And really my review wasn't meant as a hardcore slight against it, or me telling other people simply not to watch it because it wasn't worth watching. It brought positives to the table as well as my perceived negatives.
I think everybody else probably should give this a watch. Maybe I'm just full of shit and I'm too sensitive about certain things.
I'm sure there's truth to that. Anybody who's read any of my various walls of text in the Cinema thread knows that I hardly ever take any time to actually watch most movies or TV shows. Not just the ones that have come out in recent years. It's like I subconsciously feel like I'm getting myself into a commitment that I don't want to get into unless I'm absolutely sure I'm going to enjoy the experience, so most times I just don't watch.
And I think I kind of pride myself on watching only good things because I choose so little to watch, even though this isn't true and I'd say that only about 60 to 70% of things I've watched in the last 5 or so year's I'd rate between pretty great and excellent. I've seen plenty of things that have let me down and even a pure turd or two along the way. When something doesn't blow my mind I'm salty at myself for the choice I made.
I was positive that I'd love Dream Scenario, and my reaction to it was such a letdown for me. But somebody else could watch it and love it the way I had hoped to. Maybe I should watch it again...
I watched it with my dad the first time, and even though we both wanted to see it I just sometimes get that feeling that I'm responsible for putting somebody else through a bad movie if it isn't immediately apparent it will be a great watch. That feeling alone could be negatively tainting my perception of the Dream Scenario. Maybe I missed something important along the way because I was too inside my own head. It's got a lot of things happening at once. It certainly made you think while you were watching it. Maybe I watch Dream Scenario a second time and I end up loving it?
... and then I remember that I actually got angry after watching The Witch and hating that movie when it was highly recommended by somebody who's sensibilities seemed to align with my own and who's opinion I respected when it came to cinema.
What made it worse for me, and due in no part to the person who made the recommendation, is that I made my brother sit through it. He loves horror movies and even though I don't care much for them, we watch a few together off of his recommendation whenever he's in town, just because I know that it's something he enjoys doing. Some of his horror movies are actually pretty decent, but his bar for enjoying them is much, much lower than mine is. The last time he was here I told him I'd watch a horror movie he wanted me to watch, but we'd watch The Witch the next night, and that's what we did. But those accents were hard to follow and next to impossible to understand without subtitles at some points. My brother has issues with subtitles and I didn't even think to put them on because of him, and I think we both just ended up missing half the meaning of the movie because of it.
But after my feelings on the initial view of the movie subsided, at some point I watched a deep dive video into the meaning of The Witch by a creator I'd never heard of before. And something pretty strange happened. I really enjoyed being led through that movie a second time, with a guide who pointed out things to me that I had missed along the way. It was as if it were a completely different movie than I remembered watching and disliking. I still haven't gotten around to watching The Witch a second time, but I know that I will and I hope to get a lot more out of it, and I'm definitely going to have the subtitles on this time.
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SIX, apology accepted and you were in my opinion being hard on the film.
Not all the young men were from what I could see were killed. Just the ones that went out hunting the cat and ended up finding the predator.
I do also feel that you discounted Naru because she was a girl. As I said Comanche women could be warriors which is what she wanted to be. She tried to help the trappers when they encountered the predator as well. Offering medicine to one of them.
Now, I'm not saying that I would watch it a second time either but I can't throw it out.
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SIX, apology accepted and you were in my opinion being hard on the film.
Well... It was an apology directly to you as well as anybody else who participated in the discussion so far. I'm pretty sure it wasn't much of an apology to the movie though.
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Not all the young men were from what I could see were killed. Just the ones that went out hunting the cat and ended up finding the predator.
That could be true. I wasn't watching it on a big screen TV, so if there were other young men that didn't die I just didn't notice them. I can't recall seeing any men at all in the final scene when she was back with the tribe except for one of the two elders though.
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I do also feel that you discounted Naru because she was a girl.
Well I can assure you that I didn't and that's not where my complaints about her stem from. I do want to make that clear. I realize that you're being very nice about how you say that, but for years I've been hearing that if I don't like a movie with a strong female lead it's because I'm a misogynist or I just straight up hate women. This has always been an extremely unfair assessment of reality whenever those words have been spoken or put into print.
I absolutely loved the Fallout TV show, and the main person with the most screentime is Lucy. She got herself out of a lot of scrapes too, but there was never a point during the show where I felt it was unearned or beyond belief. And that's despite the fact that she was a wide-eyed, naive, weak little thing in the beginning compared to where Naru already was the first time we meet her.
I think Predator is really hard to do right too. Let's be honest here... by all rights, every character we met in that movie should have been dead at the end of it.
Right off the bat it's hard to believe that a 90 lb girl with a short bow and an ancient gun could somehow kill and sever the head of a vastly technologically advanced alien 3 times her size when an entire group of roided out, highly trained military men including Arnold Schwezenegger and Carl Weathers in their prime didn't survive. It didn't even matter that they had in their possession a Gatling gun that was capable of cutting down an entire forest.
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As I said Comanche women could be warriors which is what she wanted to be. She tried to help the trappers when they encountered the predator as well. Offering medicine to one of them.
I don't have a problem with the story of a woman warrior, or the fact she wanted to be one. But it does beg the question though, that if Comanche women were allowed to be warriors, why did they go so far out of their way in the first half of the movie to make it VERY clear to the audience that nobody else in her tribe wanted her to be one, including the older women in the tribe?
Just make a movie where Naru is a warrior and let her lead by example. Just show the audience a woman who is strong and already has the respect of her peers and the elders of her tribe because she's already earned that respect off-screen before we meet her. And then all you have to do is make sure you don't make stuff happen on screen that the audience isn't going to believe is possible.
There isn't any need to put those #MeToo-era politics in there. There isn't any reason to clog up half the runtime of a Predator franchise movie with that. There's plenty of great examples of strong, believable, female characters that predate this movie by decades that didn't spend a single second of their time worrying about what The Patriarchy thinks of them and their choices. They're were just people who happened to be women that were bad ass by nature and unapologetic about it. Nobody asked questions about it. We just saw it and we believed it.
I just felt that because they chose to do the story this way and highlight the "struggle" she had as "a woman tryin
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SIX, apology accepted and you were in my opinion being hard on the film.
Well... It was an apology directly to you as well as anybody else who participated in the discussion so far. I'm pretty sure it wasn't much of an apology to the movie though.Quote:
Not all the young men were from what I could see were killed. Just the ones that went out hunting the cat and ended up finding the predator.
That could be true. I wasn't watching it on a big screen TV, so if there were other young men that didn't die I just didn't notice them. I can't recall seeing any men at all in the final scene when she was back with the tribe except for one of the two elders though.Quote:
I do also feel that you discounted Naru because she was a girl.
Well I can assure you that I didn't and that's not where my complaints about her stem from. I do want to make that clear. I realize that you're being very nice about how you say that, but for years I've been hearing that if I don't like a movie with a strong female lead it's because I'm a misogynist or I just straight up hate women. This has always been an extremely unfair assessment of reality whenever those words have been spoken or put into print.
I absolutely loved the Fallout TV show, and the main person with the most screentime is Lucy. She got herself out of a lot of scrapes too, but there was never a point during the show where I felt it was unearned or beyond belief. And that's despite the fact that she was a wide-eyed, naive, weak little thing in the beginning compared to where Naru already was the first time we meet her.
I think Predator is really hard to do right too. Let's be honest here... by all rights, every character we met in that movie should have been dead at the end of it.
Right off the bat it's hard to believe that a 90 lb girl with a short bow and an ancient gun could somehow kill and sever the head of a vastly technologically advanced alien 3 times her size when an entire group of roided out, highly trained military men including Arnold Schwezenegger and Carl Weathers in their prime didn't survive. It didn't even matter that they had in their possession a Gatling gun that was capable of cutting down an entire forest.Quote:
As I said Comanche women could be warriors which is what she wanted to be. She tried to help the trappers when they encountered the predator as well. Offering medicine to one of them.
I don't have a problem with the story of a woman warrior, or the fact she wanted to be one. But it does beg the question though, that if Comanche women were allowed to be warriors, why did they go so far out of their way in the first half of the movie to make it VERY clear to the audience that nobody else in her tribe wanted her to be one, including the older women in the tribe?
Just make a movie where Naru is a warrior and let her lead by example. Just show the audience a woman who is strong and already has the respect of her peers and the elders of her tribe because she's already earned that respect off-screen before we meet her. And then all you have to do is make sure you don't make stuff happen on screen that the audience isn't going to believe is possible.
There isn't any need to put those #MeToo-era politics in there. There isn't any reason to clog up half the runtime of a Predator franchise movie with that. There's plenty of great examples of strong, believable, female characters that predate this movie by decades that didn't spend a single second of their time worrying about what The Patriarchy thinks of them and their choices. They're were just people who happened to be women that were bad ass by nature and unapologetic about it. Nobody asked questions about it. We just saw it and we believed it.
I just felt that because they chose to do the story this way and highlight the &quo
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I wouldn't worry about apologizing to the movie.
Okay, good. I have never worried about the feelings of a movie before, but I do care about your opinion.
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There were a couple of young men but mostly buried in the back. I had to look for them. You are right the elders were out in front.
Okay. I will take your word for it. I didn't have my Analytical Hat on to that extent while watching the movie. Nobody jumped out at me at all other than the elders and the little girl who looked up at Naru in awe when she was made war chief, which I'm sure was the intent of the scene as it was filmed.
You would probably know a lot more about tribal life than I would, as I know just about zero and I'm just assuming that you know about your people's history. (I should point that out as being an assumption, since I'm a European mutt myself and I know just about zero history of any of the blood running in my veins)...
What do you think was the "status" of the existing battle-age males of the tribe? Why weren't they themselves hunters? Are they capable at all of hunting and/or learning how to hunt? Was there something wrong with them that they weren't part of the hunting party? Would they be capable of defending the tribe from outsiders now that the hunting party were all killed outside of Naru?
I know it ruins a lot of movies and TV Shows for me, but these are the types of questions I ask when presented with a story. And I find myself imagining what a non-Predator sequel to Prey would look like. Unless Naru's tribe merged with a neutral or friendly local tribe to survive, I'd imagine they'd have to give Naru super powers in order to defend her tribe from rival tribes or the incoming European invaders on her own. Even though I didn't buy her victory over the Predator, there was admittedly a heavy element of luck on her side for it to have happened. And I don't think they tried to hide that luck factor, which is good because it added back some believably to the situation. But you're limited on how often you can throw down the luck card before losing your audience. In order to make a follow up movie or TV show centered around War Chief Naru who's tribe did not merge with another tribe for survival, she can't have that level of luck every single time she goes into battle on her own with other war chiefs or the European invaders that are threatening her tribe.
I think a follow up to what happens to Naru's tribe after the Predator could make a great story if it were written right.
Maybe a book idea for you after you get your first one published?
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I've never seen Fallout so I can't speak to it.
If you get a chance, you should check it out. I think you'd enjoy it and I'm curious to see what you would think of Lucy and it would better explain what I feel makes a great female character vs. a middling one.
Maybe you could even point out a part where I was being too easy on Lucy and giving her a pass on something I should have been calling out after giving Naru such a hard time.
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Her mother's worry about her was clear and after the brother brought her back to camp. I think that was what made her mother be so adamant that she not become a warrior but stick to medicine.
Yeah. And I get that. Of course a mother is going to want her child to be safe and not be reckless. It's not a ridiculous scene at all. Like I said, I'm probably just way over-sensitive about this stuff after they pushed it all for so long. I just see this and laugh because I'm sure I could make a video with clips of Prey and everyone telling Naru she shouldn't hunt and should stick to medicine right next to all the Captain Marvel flashbacks with all the men in her life telling her she'd never succeed because she's a woman.
Like... okay. We get it. Can we just go back to writi
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
I wouldn't worry about apologizing to the movie.
Okay, good. I have never worried about the feelings of a movie before, but I do care about your opinion.Quote:
There were a couple of young men but mostly buried in the back. I had to look for them. You are right the elders were out in front.
Okay. I will take your word for it. I didn't have my Analytical Hat on to that extent while watching the movie. Nobody jumped out at me at all other than the elders and the little girl who looked up at Naru in awe when she was made war chief, which I'm sure was the intent of the scene as it was filmed.
You would probably know a lot more about tribal life than I would, as I know just about zero and I'm just assuming that you know about your people's history. (I should point that out as being an assumption, since I'm a European mutt myself and I know just about zero history of any of the blood running in my veins)...
What do you think was the "status" of the existing battle-age males of the tribe? Why weren't they themselves hunters? Are they capable at all of hunting and/or learning how to hunt? Was there something wrong with them that they weren't part of the hunting party? Would they be capable of defending the tribe from outsiders now that the hunting party were all killed outside of Naru?
I know it ruins a lot of movies and TV Shows for me, but these are the types of questions I ask when presented with a story. And I find myself imagining what a non-Predator sequel to Prey would look like. Unless Naru's tribe merged with a neutral or friendly local tribe to survive, I'd imagine they'd have to give Naru super powers in order to defend her tribe from rival tribes or the incoming European invaders on her own. Even though I didn't buy her victory over the Predator, there was admittedly a heavy element of luck on her side for it to have happened. And I don't think they tried to hide that luck factor, which is good because it added back some believably to the situation. But you're limited on how often you can throw down the luck card before losing your audience. In order to make a follow up movie or TV show centered around War Chief Naru who's tribe did not merge with another tribe for survival, she can't have that level of luck every single time she goes into battle on her own with other war chiefs or the European invaders that are threatening her tribe.
I think a follow up to what happens to Naru's tribe after the Predator could make a great story if it were written right.
Maybe a book idea for you after you get your first one published?Quote:
I've never seen Fallout so I can't speak to it.
If you get a chance, you should check it out. I think you'd enjoy it and I'm curious to see what you would think of Lucy and it would better explain what I feel makes a great female character vs. a middling one.
Maybe you could even point out a part where I was being too easy on Lucy and giving her a pass on something I should have been calling out after giving Naru such a hard time.Quote:
Her mother's worry about her was clear and after the brother brought her back to camp. I think that was what made her mother be so adamant that she not become a warrior but stick to medicine.
Yeah. And I get that. Of course a mother is going to want her child to be safe and not be reckless. It's not a ridiculous scene at all. Like I said, I'm probably just way over-sensitive about this stuff after they pushed it all for so long. I just see this and laugh because I'm sure I could make a video with clips of Prey and everyone telling Naru she shouldn't hunt and should stick to medicine right next to all the Captain Marvel flashbacks with all the men in her life telling her she'd never succeed because she's a woman.
Like...
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6ix, I was wondering if you ever saw Wind River, from 2017? I know Brenda has.
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Well after the ones that went out were killed, I started wondering where the others were as well. So at the end, I was looking.
Gotcha.
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I would say that I know somethings about a number of the tribes in Canada and the US. Not everything. Women in my tribe could speak at council meetings and when an idea was brought to the council it was looked at whether or not it was good for the tribe, it wasn't based on whether a man or a woman thought of it. My distant aunt Sacajawea was called to a big pow wow before the Little Big Horn, because our chief wanted her words about the white man as she had spent many years among them.
Like... Sacajawea from the gold plated US coin? No shit?
Hey Sigs. We've got royalty in the house.
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That did puzzle me that there weren't more young men than just the group Naru's brother led. But on the other hand they were such a small band of Comanche that could explain it as well.
Yeah. You didn't get the feeling it was a very large tribe. I would just imagine for even a tribe of that size there would be more battle ready males than the half-dozen most that we saw. They were the most expendable people in those much harsher times... but only to a certain point. It doesn't matter how many birthing aged women there were back at the settlement if nobody was left to defend it.
But maybe what we saw would have been the right amount? It's not like anybody was expecting a Predator to show up in a spaceship right in their backyard when giving everyone out their job titles.
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At then end Naru said that the band had to move, so it could be possible that they were a splinter group from a main group of Comanche. Maybe they rejoined that group.
That is a great point. She did say that, and I remeber thinking that's not a bad idea at all, and fast. Never considered the idea that she was maybe reuniting with the larger group. I'm sure given the situation they would have welcomed everyone with open arms.
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There was an element of luck in Naru beating the Predator and like I said they would have to join up with a larger group of Comanche because there weren't enough warriors to defend them from the encroaching white man.
For sure.
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I smell a potential sequel.
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I'll have to look for it on YouTube. My library doesn't have Fallout.
It probably wouldn't be for quite a while. I don't know how long Amazon retains their exclusive rights or if they even license any of their stuff out for anybody else to use. Worth a watch whenever you can see it though.
Quote:NGL, I forgot what the point was at this point. But cool.
I can see your point again.
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I've seen Predator and Predator II. Think I've seen AvsP, but I'm not positive. I saw the first Predator because of the Govenator.
Yeah. They were great.
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Thing is with there being only one, we don't know how long they live. Maybe this is a ritual the young ones of the Predator species has to go through and they are given all this tech and are told, "Go out into the Universe and make your mark."
Yeah. Good point. They're not really good at making it back home though, are they?
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Exactly. Medicine people or shaman, handled injuries or foretold the future. All kinds of stuff like that.
Understood.
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6ix, I was wondering if you ever saw Wind River, from 2017? I know Brenda has.
I have not seen it. Worth a watch then?
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Well after the ones that went out were killed, I started wondering where the others were as well. So at the end, I was looking.
Gotcha.Quote:
I would say that I know somethings about a number of the tribes in Canada and the US. Not everything. Women in my tribe could speak at council meetings and when an idea was brought to the council it was looked at whether or not it was good for the tribe, it wasn't based on whether a man or a woman thought of it. My distant aunt Sacajawea was called to a big pow wow before the Little Big Horn, because our chief wanted her words about the white man as she had spent many years among them.
Like... Sacajawea from the gold plated US coin? No shit?
Hey Sigs. We've got royalty in the house.Quote:
That did puzzle me that there weren't more young men than just the group Naru's brother led. But on the other hand they were such a small band of Comanche that could explain it as well.
Yeah. You didn't get the feeling it was a very large tribe. I would just imagine for even a tribe of that size there would be more battle ready males than the half-dozen most that we saw. They were the most expendable people in those much harsher times... but only to a certain point. It doesn't matter how many birthing aged women there were back at the settlement if nobody was left to defend it.
But maybe what we saw would have been the right amount? It's not like anybody was expecting a Predator to show up in a spaceship right in their backyard when giving everyone out their job titles.Quote:
At then end Naru said that the band had to move, so it could be possible that they were a splinter group from a main group of Comanche. Maybe they rejoined that group.
That is a great point. She did say that, and I remeber thinking that's not a bad idea at all, and fast. Never considered the idea that she was maybe reuniting with the larger group. I'm sure given the situation they would have welcomed everyone with open arms.Quote:
There was an element of luck in Naru beating the Predator and like I said they would have to join up with a larger group of Comanche because there weren't enough warriors to defend them from the encroaching white man.
For sure.Quote:
I smell a potential sequel.Quote:
I'll have to look for it on YouTube. My library doesn't have Fallout.
It probably wouldn't be for quite a while. I don't know how long Amazon retains their exclusive rights or if they even license any of their stuff out for anybody else to use. Worth a watch whenever you can see it though.Quote:NGL, I forgot what the point was at this point. But cool.
I can see your point again.Quote:
I've seen Predator and Predator II. Think I've seen AvsP, but I'm not positive. I saw the first Predator because of the Govenator.
Yeah. They were great.Quote:
Thing is with there being only one, we don't know how long they live. Maybe this is a ritual the young ones of the Predator species has to go through and they are given all this tech and are told, "Go out into the Universe and make your mark."
Yeah. Good point. They're not really good at making it back home though, are they?Quote:
Exactly. Medicine people or shaman, handled injuries or foretold the future. All kinds of stuff like that.
Understood.
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Yeah, I was looking because I wondere
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missed the box office, not sure if it would have done well as it was still Covid-ish era, released as a Hulu original film in the United States and on Disney+ Star internationally
Budget $65 million
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