FIREFLY RIPPING OFF OUTLAW STAR

POSTED BY: Setsuna
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 20:06
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SETSUNA

Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:25 PM

Hello, I think that Firefly is ripping off Outlaw Star (an anime) in a big way, there is a scene where a girl is in a case, naked. There is an exact scene in Outlaw Star like that, also the whole premise of the show is ripped off and so is the characters. So please sign this petition to cancel Firefly on Fox,
http://www.petitiononline.com/firefly/petition.html

Thank you for your time

Setsuna

SHUGGIE

Monday, August 12, 2002 12:19 AM

Satsuma,

A few points to consider -

1) Online petitions never work. You want people to take notice you're gonna need some dead trees and ink.

2) How many complete episodes of Firefly did you watch before you came to the conclusion that they are identical? Oh I see...

3) What on earth makes you think that a Firefly website is a good place to recruit anti-Firefly signatures for your petition? You having any luck selling fridges to those eskimos?

4) Anime is notorious for copying ideas from previous movies/shows.

5) To quote a very wise man "there's nothing new under the sun". Everything's been done before - it's just a question of giving it your own unique flavour. Joss is a past master at taking cliches and turning them on their head. If Firefly does bear any relation to Outlaw Star in outline you can bet it won't by the time it's on the screen.

Have a nice day.

Shug

WOLFRAM

Monday, August 12, 2002 1:52 AM

And I can verify that...seeing as how I own an anime OVA (Sol Bianca) where a boy stows away on a space ship in a large crate. I think this came out...in the early 90's? Way before Outlaw Star. The whole stowaway idea is not a new one, it's been done before, it'll been done again.

Nothing new under the sun indeed. So what's with all these posts about how Firefly rips off things? Probably because it's the most unique thing out there right now, people feel the need to bring it down?

Or maybe it's just the same DA bazoars. The grammar would certainly support that.

MOJOECA

Monday, August 12, 2002 2:41 AM

Good luck drumming up support at FireflyFans.net.

36 signatures so far. Out of millions of viewers, that's a pretty significant voting block. I'm worried. Though "cancel" is misspelled, the petition must be taken seriously. 14 year-olds have so much clout in the television business. After all, they managed to keep DA on the -- oh...

Has anyone else seen the other ludicrous petitions on that site? Oh, the stupidity!

--- Joe

INARASNEWTOY

Monday, August 12, 2002 7:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Setsuna:
Hello, I think that Firefly is ripping off Outlaw Star (an anime) in a big way, there is a scene where a girl is in a case, naked. Setsuna

WHAT?

That is almost exactly like Aliens!!!!

There was a scene with Riply and Newt stripping down to their skivvies and jumping into their cryopods....or CASES and while they were not nude they were pretty close!

DAMN! DAMN Outlaw Star for RIPPING OFF James Cameron and Ridley Scott!

I'm starting a petiton RIGHT NOW!

Who's with me?

INT

It felt wrong not to swing - Signs

WEBWARRIOR

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 5:10 AM

You know I think your right Outlaw star has riped of firefly, damn it I'm also going to sign that pitition.

theres nothing getting ripped off, because OUTLAW STAR is a cartoon and this has actors!!!

MOJOECA

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 7:42 PM

Well, then. That's settled.

--- Joe

HAPLO721

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:08 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Sorry, but idiots make me laugh. "Oh, the whole show must be ripped off because 1 fricking scene is reminiscent of something else!" EVERYTHING is reminiscent of something else, you dingleberry! Go get a life and stop talking trash about shows on their FAN SITES!

TLSMITH1963

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 3:44 AM

I even see a resemblance to Cowboy Bebop, but so what? Nothing is truly original. The petition is ridiculous.

Tammy

ZICSOFT

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 3:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by tlsmith1963:
I even see a resemblance to Cowboy Bebop, but so what? Nothing is truly original. The petition is ridiculous.

Tammy

Your post is an obvious rip off of a previous post!

UEMATSUFAN

Monday, September 16, 2002 7:47 PM

It is a very suspicious similarity...

RINGWRAITH

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:10 PM

Aaaaaaah! My life ends now! I can't go on!

I just found out that basically everything ever written is somehow attributed to The Odyssey, Beowulf, The Five Rings (Go Rin No Sho), Dante's Inferno, and The Bible. Oh, and Tolkien's Lord of the Rings, which is influenced by Narnia, which is influenced by....

Me thinks people need to just heed these words:

"Just repeat to yourself 'It's just a show, I should really just relax.'"

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"How will this end?"
"In fire."
--Babylon 5, 'The Coming of Shadows'
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LIVINGIMPAIRED

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 12:15 AM

Yeah, Ringwraith is right. Hell, everyone is always accusing Whedon of ripping off something or another, only to find out that Joss has never actually seen the shows that he's supposedly ripping off. Ex: Farscape.

Like JW said, you either watch TV or you make it. With 5 shows in production, it's amazing he ever sleeps, much less watches televison.

________________

"I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life’s a bitch. You’ve got to go out and kick ass." —Maya Angelou

ZICSOFT

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 1:31 AM

Somebody has to point out that even when Whedon is pretending to copy, he's being original. Or maybe especially. Like the Gentlemen. Who supposedly come from some fairy tale -- but not one anybody else has read!

FLIGHTYKITTEN

Sunday, September 22, 2002 4:59 AM

Again, I give you the Pokeman example. Or Macross/Gundam/insert-random-mecha-series-here. Or EVERY SENTAI SERIES EVER CREATED EVER. When other anime does it it, its ok. Bah.

And having a similar scene doesn't make it a ripoff. I seem to remember The Producers and Schindler's List both having scenes with Nazis. That doesn't mean Spielberg was ripping Mel Brooks off.

Besides, who cares if it is a ripoff? Spreading anime to the masses is a GOOD THING.

INARASNEWTOY - I lovelovelove your quote. Joaquin Phoenix is the hottest thing on legs And even if you don't agree... Well, Sings was still a damn good movie.

Joaquin said in an interview, he likes his girlfriends to call him kitten. Hee Hee.

Obscure Tv show reference: "Harry, it's Cooper, meet me for breakfast, 7:00 am, at the hotel lobby. I know who killed Laura Palmer. (Pause) No, this can wait till morning!"

ZICSOFT

Monday, September 23, 2002 12:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FlightyKitten:
I seem to remember The Producers and Schindler's List both having scenes with Nazis. That doesn't mean Spielberg was ripping Mel Brooks off.

Actually, there are Nazis in all Mel Brooks movies. Even the westerns!

JOSH, WHERE'S MY CHECK???!!!

FLIGHTYKITTEN

Monday, September 23, 2002 1:27 AM

Really? That's hilarious! And see, it makes my point too.

Were there Nazis in Men in Tights? I don't remember, but thats nothing unusual.

...I've been in some odd discussions in this forum.

Obscure Tv show reference: "Harry, it's Cooper, meet me for breakfast, 7:00 am, at the hotel lobby. I know who killed Laura Palmer. (Pause) No, this can wait till morning!"

DEWARRN1

Monday, September 23, 2002 3:28 AM

I will certainly agree that the person starting this thread could use some work on his/her spelling, but I have to admit I had the exact same thought when I saw that promo. In fact, ever since I first read about the premise of Firefly as sci-fi cum Western I had been worried that Joss might just be ripping off Outlaw Star or (the far superior) Cowboy Bebop. Having seen an episode of FF now I'm encouraged that this appears to be untrue. OTOH, FF's got a long ways to go to catch up to Bebop in terms of quality. I'll give it a few episodes before making a final judgment, though.

EIN

Monday, October 28, 2002 8:31 PM

i think all this ripping off business is a bit OTT, there is no way on earth this cheese-festered-90210 cack will ever come close to acheiving the kind of genius seen in things such as, for an example, straight off the top of my head, COWBOY BEBOP

MOUNTAINGAL

Monday, October 28, 2002 9:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Shuggie:
3) What on earth makes you think that a Firefly website is a good place to recruit anti-Firefly signatures for your petition? You having any luck selling fridges to those eskimos?

The giraffes are liking their stillettos, though...Sometimes things work out oddly, you know?

~S.

You can't take the sky from me...So quit trying! (-:

REAVERMONKEY

Monday, October 28, 2002 9:59 PM

WARNING:
TROLL POST

PLEASE DO NOT FEED

LET THREAD SINK

P.S. aimed at people trying to run petitions to cancel shows on thier own fansites...not those defending. Although we should defend the show we like we should not have to disprove something that is obviously false and meant only to incite conflict.

GENE

Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:16 AM

I agree 100%. Fire fly is a huge ripoff and people should know. Thanks for the link, I will DEFINITELY sign this petition and get others to as well.

ALLRONIX

Thursday, November 28, 2002 3:32 AM

Seriously, Space/Western is a valid fusion, and I can name at least 6 examples that came before Firefly. Firefly is just the first live action one I've seen.

Hell, THREE animated Space Westerns were gracing the air in 1986.

* BraveStarr - Typically Filmmation (same guys as the old He-Man) with the bad animation, cheezy characters, but occasional redeeming scene or ep.

* Sabre Rider & the Star Sherriffs - OK, it was a BADLY edited and translated verion of Star Musketeers Bismarck, but by American standards of the era, it was pretty good - continuity, characters, and mecha.

* Galaxy Rangers - I run the fanfic archive/best known page for this. 4-person cast. Now while I wonder who was a fan (GR's creator directed the pilot of X-Files, and there are some passing resemblances between GR and Firefly, there's no way in hell I'd call it a rip-off.

(The resemblance, BTW, is mostly in the look of the "border" planets, and the bad luck of the captains on both shows. Galaxy Rangers ALSO had its pilot shelved by suits who thought it was too slow, debuting with the third episode.)

I'd hate for FF to suffer the same fate as GR - well-made, mature, and a "labor of love," turned to a financial disaster by the ignorance of its distributors. I don't want Joss Wheadon sitting with Robert Mandell toasting "what could have been."

Let's celebrate the genre's new baby, not trash it.

Co-founder of the Evil Writing Crew - causing hell, one hero at a time!

HOOK

Thursday, December 5, 2002 9:32 AM

test...this is only a test

http://diogenes.gotdns.org/

HOOK

Thursday, December 5, 2002 9:36 AM

this is another test....

Haken should consider making the troll country posts invisible to the recent posts on the community page...anyway not that important...this is only a test

hook

http://diogenes.gotdns.org

ADAM

Saturday, January 25, 2003 2:18 PM

Well I don't believe in online petitions either but I signed this one. Why? Because it doesn't matter since the show's been canceled already! Suckers!

So did Firefly have penis ships? All I remember about Outlaw Star is the penis ships.

All in all I'd say the space cowboy genre is bad.

HAPLO721

Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:42 AM

Well, looky here, it's Mr. "I'll go to a show's fan site and make fun of it." What the hell is your malfunction? Go post something constructive on a site for a show you LIKE instead of coming here and pissing everyone off.

ADAM

Sunday, January 26, 2003 3:00 PM

You're stupid. As mentioned many times in the other thread you all overestimate the effort I put into this stuff.

HAPLO721

Monday, January 27, 2003 12:28 AM

Why are you putting any effort into it at all?

TYLOR

Monday, January 27, 2003 2:50 AM

Yet another obvious troll.

TIBURONVIC

Tuesday, April 15, 2003 3:03 AM

I love the obvious amount of time some people have to waste. I say focus on the things that you like, stay happy. If you don't like a show... um, don't watch it?

As Always,
-Victor

CHRISTHECYNIC

Wednesday, June 4, 2003 1:23 AM

Read those comments on the petition. It's funny.

TRILLY

Sunday, February 1, 2004 6:20 PM

Ok Lets face it. Outlaw star was just a bad show. It was one of the worst ive ever seen its not even an anime. How bout u watch some good shit like Vampire hunter D or X. Now lets take a look at this, Outlaw Star = Bad show and Firefly = awesome show. hmmm... I see no connection.

ROCKETJOCK

Saturday, February 28, 2004 7:09 PM

There are only three original plotlines in the entire universe of fiction. (And two of those are plagarisms.)*

*Footquote: "File the serial numbers off it, slap a coat of paint on it, and call it your own." -- Robert A. Heinlein

RocketJock

THECRAZYIVAN

Wednesday, March 17, 2004 7:36 AM

God...i wish i knew how stupid people sound...i used to watch Outlaw Star BEFORE IT GOT TOTALLY JACKED! it really started to get gay...FIREFLY KICKS ASS! (by the way...ure argument sucks!)

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Take me out to the black.....

QUICKSAND

Monday, March 29, 2004 7:59 AM

I just wanted to let you know how clever you are. Do you know what would happen if the Good Networks cancelled EVERY SINGLE TV SHOW where something was "stolen?"

There WOULD BE NO TV!!!!

There are 7 original ideas, and everything else is stolen. That's not my signature, I think it's Dickens. You are stupid.

XOXO
Qs

SETSUNA

Monday, March 29, 2004 2:54 PM

I don't really care anymore, thanks for letting me know I was so clever.
[EDIT] How old is that thread? I'm way past that now, I don't even care if the show is on the air anymore.

QUICKSAND

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:27 AM

Yes. We can tell you don't care by the way you still visit the Fan Site.

XOXO

SETSUNA

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:22 AM

The only reason I was here was because I receieved an email saying someone had responded to my post. I forgot all about this. I don't care you guys, hate me if you want, I was young and foolish then. All I can offer is a sincere apology. I'm sorry.

ARLO

Friday, April 23, 2004 6:32 AM

*Sigh* ... I can't even remember when a whole year and a half meant signifcant growth in maturity.

~Arlo the drunken barfly

GREATEACHER

Saturday, August 14, 2004 10:59 PM

Outlaw Star isn't very popular.It also isn't very good. Besides the girl in the box, there's nothing in common. Their characters are vastly different than Joss'. I fail to see the likenesses that would piss said fan off. Do you want to trademark space or something?

Besides Firefly is far more interesting.
[Outlaw Star fans accuse every show set in space of ripping their show off. See Cowboy Bebop. They always say that's a rip off of Outlaw Star. Again, I don't see how. ] Futhermore Gene Starwind couldn't lace Mal's boots. Animated or not, chief.

SETSUNA

Sunday, August 15, 2004 4:39 AM

Quote:
The only reason I was here was because I receieved an email saying someone had responded to my post. I forgot all about this. I don't care you guys, hate me if you want, I was young and foolish then. All I can offer is a sincere apology. I'm sorry.

MISSYG

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 5:28 PM

Woah, Setsuna!

So FF 'borrowed' (heavily) (very heavily) from Anime. The show and movie can still stand on their own if you just accept the heavy anime influence in it and enjoy it for what it is. I was also livid to see Anime shows ripped off so readily at first, but the FF writers aren't the only ones ripping other Asian media. Most of Tarantino's films are influenced by 70's 'sploitation flicks and Hong Kong cinema, but that doesn't make Kill Bill a bad movie. Of course, Quentin always says up front that he borrows from HK cinema, especially for the character of the bride.

Just because the writers don't acknowledge their debt to Anime doesn't mean the show and movie are reprehensible. I'd rather watch a show that rips off Bebop and Outlaw than one that rips off the Jessica Simpson Variety Hour!

SETSUNA

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:08 PM

Quote:
The only reason I was here was because I receieved an email saying someone had responded to my post. I forgot all about this. I don't care you guys, hate me if you want, I was young and foolish then. All I can offer is a sincere apology. I'm sorry.

Its amazing how many people don't read an entire thread before posting...

Let me just clear this up for everyone. Stop responding, I wrote that probably two years ago, I think. I've grown up, I no longer care! So I'm really sorry, alright? I should try and delete this post...

I don't care, stop replying, have your Firefly show, just leave me out of it! ><;;

EMBERS

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:29 PM

Setsuna: sorry about that...
MissyG just joined fff.com today in order to revive this old thread...
she is NOT a fireflyfan, and god knows why this is important to her,
but sorry you got dragged back into it,
the actual members of the board DO read the whole thread and know you are over it.

thanks!

BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 7:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Setsuna:
Quote:
The only reason I was here was because I receieved an email saying someone had responded to my post. I forgot all about this. I don't care you guys, hate me if you want, I was young and foolish then. All I can offer is a sincere apology. I'm sorry.

Its amazing how many people don't read an entire thread before posting...

Let me just clear this up for everyone. Stop responding, I wrote that probably two years ago, I think. I've grown up, I no longer care! So I'm really sorry, alright? I should try and delete this post...

I don't care, stop replying, have your Firefly show, just leave me out of it! ><;;

Sorry about that Setsuna. Looks like this MissyG troll revived this due to lack of anything better to do.

Although you can not delete this thread, you can click off the "Notify me when someone responds to my comment" box so that you stop getting emails in regards to this thread.

MissyG is definitely not a Firefly fan. It seems like you may not be as well.

__________________________________________

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

Richmond, VA & surrounding area Firefly Meet Up:
http://firefly.meetup.com/9/boards/

BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 7:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
Setsuna: sorry about that...
MissyG just joined fff.com today in order to revive this old thread...
she is NOT a fireflyfan, and god knows why this is important to her,
but sorry you got dragged back into it,
the actual members of the board DO read the whole thread and know you are over it.

thanks!

MissyG has only logged on and posted on this thread, and has not been back since 10/26. Seems like she does not have much in the way of a life, no?

__________________________________________

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

Richmond, VA & surrounding area Firefly Meet Up:
http://firefly.meetup.com/9/boards/

SETSUNA

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 8:06 PM

Trolling on a troll's thread!? O.o Woah, that might be a new precedent. ^^

Once again sorry for all of that. It was a long time ago.