The Joker 2: The Musical Doo Deux failure thread
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“How did they fumble this so bad”: Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker 2 Update Upsets Fans as Sequel Aims to Follow The Marvels’ Worst Feature
Joker 2, starring Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga will be a musical featuring 15 well-known cover songs, with a possibility of originals.
https://fandomwire.com/how-did-they-fumble-this-so-bad-joaquin-phoenix
s-joker-2-update-upsets-fans-as-sequel-aims-to-follow-the-marvels-worst-feature/
Did I ever mention that I hate musicals? I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate musicals.
The only one I think that I could ever watch again is Little Shop of Horrors, just because of the nostalgia. Some of those songs are still stuck in my head nearly 35 years after the last time I've seen it. But part of me thinks that if I did try to watch it again I'd either shut it off or fall asleep in the middle of it.
DEADLINE: Budget: $190 Million
https://deadline.com/2024/10/joker-folie-a-deux-box-office-weekend-pro
jection-1236104610/
It needs to make $475 Million to break even.
It's not going to make $475 Million and break even.
People over at the official Lady Gaga fan forum who have already seen an advanced screening of it wonder where the hell $190 Million went and some there are even theorizing this is another Hollywood money laundering scheme.
https://gagadaily.com/forums/topic/411178-deadline-joker-2-budget-is-1
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Joker Folie à Deux 2024 1080p TELESYNC x264 COLLECTiVE
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Plot:
Arthur Fleck is institutionalized at Arkham, awaiting trial for his crimes as Joker. While struggling with his dual identity, Arthur not only stumbles upon true love, but also finds the music that's always been inside him.
The movie starts with a two-minute and 30-second cartoon: "Me and My Shadow" with the cartoon Joker starring. I would have walked out of the theater before that cartoon finished. The live-action movie following the cartoon is no better.
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Hey Second. We might have finally found that one thing we can both agree on, buddy.
I knew it would happen one day or another.
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Quote:Joker 2 bounces between the two ugliest locales in the movie business: prison and courtroom. To break the monotony for the audience, Joker sings off tune with Lady Gaga . . . in his imagination.
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Hey Second. We might have finally found that one thing we can both agree on, buddy.
I knew it would happen one day or another.
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The old Hollywood wisdom is Nobody knows anything. But Hollywood survives because it rejects nearly all bad scripts. That unreliable system failed to reject this particularly bad Joker script.
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William Goldman is Dead at 87
By writing scripts he believed in, rather than the flavor of the day, the late, great William Goldman left a legacy that will endure for decades to come. - Nov 16, 2018 12:29pm PT
https://variety.com/2018/film/opinion/william-goldman-dies-appreciatio
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“Nobody knows anything.”
If you work in this business — and Goldman was clear-eyed about the fact that the film industry is an industry first, where art and ideas must serve the bottom line, or perish — it’s worth getting those three words tattooed on your forearm. Or cross-stitched onto a throw pillow for your agent’s couch.
They serve as a reminder to every writer in town to stand by your ideas, because you can never predict what will be a hit — “not one person in the entire motion picture field knows for a certainty what’s going to work” — and every time you compromise your vision because someone pretends to know better, you’re sacrificing the chance to prove them wrong.
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They serve as a reminder to every writer in town to stand by your ideas, because you can never predict what will be a hit — “not one person in the entire motion picture field knows for a certainty what’s going to work” — and every time you compromise your vision because someone pretends to know better, you’re sacrificing the chance to prove them wrong.
Joker 2 was the director not standing by his ideas. Joker 2 was the director burning down the first movie because of what other people told him about it.
Todd Phillips wasn't even making a Joker movie when he made that first one. He never calls the character Joker and only refers to him as Arthur. He's stated now in interviews that he hates comic book movies (good man) and he was just trying to tell a great story and basically scam it as a comic book movie by literally putting clown makeup on it.
He had a good thing going there. Up until Deadpool and Wolverine bumped Joker a few months back, he had the highest grossing R-Rated movie of all time (the 2nd highest when accounting for inflation, since The Exorcist from 1973 made over $3 Billion dollars in 2024 money).
But then he had to ruin it. Because he was listening to Alt-Left media and drinking that Kool Aid.
He actually believes what you've falsely accused me of here many, many times about his first movie. He believes that people walked out of that movie theater and thought of Joker/Arthur as a hero. And like I've told you before, NOBODY walked out of that movie thinking that Joker/Arthur was a hero. (OK... I'm sure there were a few... There is a lot of mental illness in the world... But that did pre-date Covid lockdowns so there was a lot less of it in 2019 when Joker came out than there is right now).
Joaquin Phoenix gave what was potentially the greatest acting performance I've ever seen in my life. I left that theater exhausted. But I've never watched it a 2nd time, and neither has anybody I went to the theater with. It was a brutal watch. I'm glad I saw it, but I don't care to ever see it again.
But somebody whispered in Todd Phillips' ear that he made a modern day hero for all the people that the Alt-Left wants to see dead. To hear him talk now about how nobody understood his first Joker movie and how everybody is an idiot and viewed Joker/Arthur as a hero is is fucking batshit. That's not just the media saying it anymore. Those are words coming out of his own mouth now. And so he went ahead and destroyed the most successful movie he will have ever made in his life by releasing this piece of shit that nobody is going to watch.
Who is the audience for this? Who was this made for?
NOBODY who liked the first one is going to see this. NOBODY from the pink-haired, potbelly, cat-lady Twitter brigade is going to watch this movie. And that's made even worse by the fact that the (allegedly) straight Phoenix just dropped out of a movie where he was going to have some pretty graphic gay sex scenes last minute, basically destroying the chances that the movie ever gets made, so the entire LGBTQIAC3P0+ community has their pitchforks out for him right now. And not just him... Everybody involved in the process of getting that movie made because they chose not to cast an actual gay man for the roll and then he dropped out and ruined the chances that movie ever gets made by anyone. (See Post Below This)
The only audience Joker 2 is going to have is the dwindling 30-40 year old Lady Gaga cultist weirdos, and according to what I read on the Gaga fansite the other day none of them are looking forward to this movie at all and it appears that they're only buying a ticket and going to see it to support her because they're obligated to their aging cult leader.
Personally, I hope this is the end of Todd Phillips' career.
I can tell you for sure that this is the first and last $200 Million budget movie he's ever going to be directing.
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This is the movie that Phoenix dropped out of that I mentioned in the previous post. I found this article the other day when I was looking for early reviews on the Joker 2 movie...
Joaquin Phoenix Puts the ‘Quitter’ in LGBTQ
https://www.vulture.com/article/joaquin-phoenix-todd-haynes-gay-romanc
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Why did Phoenix leave?
Allegedly, he got “cold feet.” We’d note that it would also require a cold heart to leave fully built sets in Guadalajara, and a crew that is ready to work. Danny Ramirez of Top Gun: Maverick was reportedly set to play his love interest. There has been no comment from Phoenix’s camp yet confirming why he left. There’s reportedly speculation among the crew that the exit has to do with the planned NC-17 gay scenes in the film, but Phoenix is the one who pitched the “love story and with a strong sexual component,” as Haynes previously told Variety. “Joaquin was pushing it further into more dangerous territory, sexually,” Haynes said at the time. What a tease. Lemme Go Berate This Quitter+.
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Why not just recast him?
A reasonable question. Sources claimed to Variety that Phoenix’s role as a corrupt cop in the 1930s cannot be recast, meaning the crew is now unemployed and losses could go up to seven figures. The assumed issue is that multiple international distributors have already purchased rights to the project with the expectation that it will star Phoenix. With Phoenix out, the contracts for those sales may no longer apply, and that funding is now withdrawn.
How have the cast and crew responded?
Prolific indie-film producer Christine Vachon, Haynes’s long-time partner at Killer Films, confirmed on Facebook on August 9 that a “version” of Phoenix’s departure did happen, and she asked people not to blame the straight-casting choice for the outcome. “And PLEASE – if you are tempted to finger wag or admonish us that ‘that’s what you get for casting a straight actor’ –DON’T,” she explained. “This was HIS project that he brought to US– and Killer’s record on working with LGBTQ actors/crew/directors speaks for itself. (and for those of you who HAVE– know that you are making a terrible situation even worse).”
Others within the industry also seem hostile toward Phoenix over the incident. “There’s been a huge amount of outrage,” one anonymous studio exec told The Hollywood Reporter. THR also reported that he nearly backed out of Ridley Scott’s 2023 film Napoleon, saying he would leave unless Paul Thomas Anderson did rewrites. Once Anderson was brought in, Phoenix acquiesced.
Okay, so … what’s happening next?
Phoenix has the Joker sequel coming out later in 2024, so it’s unlikely that his behavior will put him on any blacklists. While it’s unlikely that an Oscar-winning star of his caliber is going to be stopped from working, Phoenix could definitely face legal consequences. “Back in the 1990s, Kim Basinger got sued for verbally agreeing to do Boxing Helena and then bailing on the project (which wound up shooting with Sherilyn Fenn and flopped mightily),” Ebiri adds. “She lost the case and it nearly destroyed her career. I would not be surprised if Phoenix wound up getting seriously sued for this.”
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Also seems to be Disliked by International Audience, terrible Overseas reports
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https://x.com/meJat32/status/1841759001366679720
Korea - $1.75M
France - $1.3M
Italy - $1M
India - $0.75M
Joker 2 Is TRASH and You're A DEGENERATE - Joker: Folie à Deux Film Review, The Aussie Critic
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Joker: Folie a Deux - The Sequel Nobody Wanted , The Critical Drinker
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5 Reasons Why Joker: Folie à Deux Is Already a Box Office Flop
https://fandomwire.com/5-reasons-why-joker-folie-a-deux-is-already-a-b
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JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX's Rotten Tomatoes Score Plummets (And Its Audience Score Is Even Worse)
https://comicbookmovie.com/batman/joker/joker-folie-deuxs-rotten-tomat
oes-score-plummets-and-its-audience-score-is-even-worse-a213681
Just How Bad Does It Look For ‘Joker 2’? Critical Pans And Worsening Box Office Predictions Spell Doom
https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2024/10/04/just-how-bad-does-
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I'm surprised it made $7 Million last night. Must be a number of fans of the first movie who don't pay attention to early reviews online. Bruce says it's probably going to make only $50 Million this weekend though, which shaves another $11 Million off his model's prediction based off of that preview number. Sure a far cry from the nearly $100 Million they were expecting this thing to make just a few weeks ago.
If the internationals are as bad as you say they are, Jaynez, we'll already know that this thing is toast by Monday morning. International audiences came out and saw the first movie at a ratio of more than 2 to 1 to the US audience when it blew past $1 Billion. So unless that trend keeps up a 2nd time, this thing isn't going to come close to making the production budget back on opening weekend. If you don't remember, a movie that doesn't make 80% of it on opening weekend over the last few years has just about 0% chance to break even, and of those which make only 80% to 100% of the budget back on opening weekend, it's just about a coinflip. And with all the hate I'm seeing from this movie, I doubt very much that it would be on the winning side of that coinflip if it doesn't gross over $200 Million worldwide by Monday morning. I expect a huge drop in the US on the 2nd weekend. The higher the US number is this weekend, the bigger the drop will be next weekend.
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Who is the audience for this? Who was this made for?
NOBODY who liked the first one is going to see this. NOBODY from the pink-haired, potbelly, cat-lady Twitter brigade is going to watch this movie. And that's made even worse by the fact that the (allegedly) straight Phoenix just dropped out of a movie where he was going to have some pretty graphic gay sex scenes last minute, basically destroying the chances that the movie ever gets made, so the entire LGBTQIAC3P0+ community has their pitchforks out for him right now. And not just him... Everybody involved in the process of getting that movie made because they chose not to cast an actual gay man for the roll and then he dropped out and ruined the chances that movie ever gets made by anyone. (See Post Below This)
The only audience Joker 2 is going to have is the dwindling 30-40 year old Lady Gaga cultist weirdos, and according to what I read on the Gaga fansite the other day none of them are looking forward to this movie at all and it appears that they're only buying a ticket and going to see it to support her because they're obligated to their aging cult leader.
Personally, I hope this is the end of Todd Phillips' career.
I can tell you for sure that this is the first and last $200 Million budget movie he's ever going to be directing.
I'm seeing this echoed by the critic reviews on Rotten Tomatoes.
"It's boring, it's bizarre and it doesn't have enough Lady Gaga. It's not for comic book lovers, it's not for Little Monsters and it's not for fans of Joker. Honestly, it's just plain weird. "
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And none of this isn't something I was saying about the movie over a year ago right here.
I don't know where my posts about that would be now. Maybe in the original Joker thread.
But when I first heard almost 2 years ago that Joker 2 was going to be a musical that starred Lady Gaga I thought that was just somebody trolling and a rumor that was spreading around. Once we found out that's exactly what it was going to be around a year ago I'd already called this one a flop.
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Joker 2 Is So Bad It’s Almost Laughable
Even Lady Gaga can’t save this horrible movie.
By Dana Stevens | Oct 04, 2024 4:43 PM
Without spoiling the ending, it’s safe to say that with it, [Writer/Director] Phillips seems to foreclose the likelihood that anyone will be begging for more. That’s probably a blessing for both the filmmaker and us, since this somber, muddled, maudlin film seems to have been made by someone who holds his characters and his audience in contempt.
https://slate.com/culture/2024/10/joker-2-movie-lady-gaga-joaquin-phoe
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In ‘Joker: Folie à Deux,’ the joke, unfortunately, is on the audience
By G. Allen Johnson | Oct 2, 2024
“Joker: Folie à Deux” is a traumatizing cinematic experience, so insistent on being grim and static, that one wonders if director Todd Phillips’ goal was to set fire to the whole idea of a comic book movie. Which could be an interesting idea, if executed well. This is not.
And “Joker: Folie à Deux” co-stars Lady Gaga! How can you screw up a movie that has Lady Gaga? Here’s how: make it claustrophobic, with the first half a brutal prison picture and the second half an excruciatingly dull courtroom drama.
The first “Joker” was basically a remake of director Martin Scorsese’s “Taxi Driver,” but it marked its own original territory as a comment on urban blight, harsh capitalism and vigilantism. It was, in fact, a deconstruction of the comic book movie, with gritty, realistic violence instead of the cartoonish action usually seen in DC and Marvel films. Arthur’s murder spree, wherein he becomes the Joker, makes him both villain to the mainstream and cult hero to the oppressed. He becomes a breaker of systems.
In “Folie à Deux,” he has become emasculated.
https://eedition.houstonchronicle.com/infinity/article_popover_share.a
spx?guid=af07f25f-0dc9-49c9-9216-64b8c089b91c&share=true
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/entertainment/movies_tv/article/joker
-review-lady-gaga-19805016.php
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The first “Joker” was basically a remake of director Martin Scorsese’s “Taxi Driver,” but it marked its own original territory as a comment on urban blight, harsh capitalism and vigilantism. It was, in fact, a deconstruction of the comic book movie, with gritty, realistic violence instead of the cartoonish action usually seen in DC and Marvel films. Arthur’s murder spree, wherein he becomes the Joker, makes him both villain to the mainstream and cult hero to the oppressed. He becomes a breaker of systems.
This is so condescending when they write things like this. It's the same rhetoric that the "mainstream" media has been using for everything from geek culture entertainment to serious political discussion. They ARE the "mainstream", so their opinion is the right opinion. This is a subtle Us vs. Them statement, and they know that people who believe everything that they say are going to (and did) believe that anybody who thought Joker was a great movie automatically loved Joker/Arthur and wanted to emulate him.
This couldn't be further from the truth.
I'll come right out and say it again. Joker/Arthur was an evil piece of shit and nobody should want to emulate his behavior. It's sad that people with serious mental health issues in America are NOT getting the help they need, especially over the last 30 years or so, but that does not justify any of his behavior in that movie. And all of the fatherless, unemployed behavior of the Left since the summer of 2020 carried out by people with mental issues in public should not be tolerated and should be severely punished as well.
THIS is exactly why Todd Phillips set fire to his career. They made him believe that their perception of the audience who viewed Joker favorably was true, while also entirely disregarding the fact that even the Critics who are mostly Alt-Left also gave it stellar reviews and it won awards all across the world.
So, because of this, he took the $200 Million that was given to him for a sequel and set fire to his own career by making something that pleases no one.
I would suggest that somebody check up on Todd and see how his mental health is doing right now.
In any event...
Don't you love it when something comes out that is so unbelievably bad that everybody across the entire spectrum can come together and join hands and hate on it.
I can't even remember the last time something like this happened.
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Haha. Awesome....
https://www.cinemascore.com/
D. Joker 2 got a D at Cinemascore. Fuck you, Todd.
What does a D at Cinemascore mean? Let's put that into perspective.
The Crow remake, which grossed $15 Million worldwide on a $50 Million budget got a B-.
Transformers One, which still hasn't made its $75 Million production budget back after 14 days got an A.
Twisters, which grossed $367 Million fell short of the $387.5 Million it needed to break even. It scored an A-.
Argylle, one of the years biggest box office flops earning only $90 Million on a $200 Million budget got a C+
Borderlands, almost surely the years biggest flop so far with a $32 Million return on a $120 Million budget got a D+
Other Cinemascores for 2024 flops:
Mean Girls (Musical Remake): B
Madame Web: C+
Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire: B+
Civil War: B-
The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare: A-
The Fall Guy: A-
Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga: B+
Trap: C+
Megalopolis: D+
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Quote:Are you aware of Todd Phillips' complete oeuvre? It is low-brow:
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In any event...
Don't you love it when something comes out that is so unbelievably bad that everybody across the entire spectrum can come together and join hands and hate on it.
I can't even remember the last time something like this happened.
2009 The Hangover
2010 Due Date
2011 The Hangover Part II
2013 The Hangover Part III
2016 War Dogs
2019 Joker
2024 Joker: Folie a Deux
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Phillips#Feature_film
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Joker: Folie à Deux
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/joker-folie-a-deux/
Metascore Mixed or Average
45
User Score Mixed or Average Based on 237 User Ratings
4.1
Joker 2 Early Ticket Sales Are in the Same Range of Two Box Office Bombs From 2023
https://gamerant.com/joker-2-box-office-prediction-early-ticket-sales-
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also Warner Bros in a contest vs itself
Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Warner Bros vs Joker 2 Warner Bros, a sabotage of its own profits that does not seem to be a smart move
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Are you aware of Todd Phillips' complete oeuvre? It is low-brow:
2009 The Hangover
2010 Due Date
2011 The Hangover Part II
2013 The Hangover Part III
2016 War Dogs
2019 Joker
2024 Joker: Folie a Deux
Yup.
Pretty sure he did Road Trip and a few other comedies much earlier than 2009 too.
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I Watched ‘Joker 2’ at an Opening Night Imax Screening at the Grove: The Fanboys Were Nowhere to Be Found
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/inside-joker-2-opening-night-imax-s
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During a Thursday editorial meeting, a Variety editor asked if anyone was willing to give up their Friday evening to write a piece covering an opening night screening of “Joker: Folie à Deux.” After an interminable silence with no takers, I reluctantly raised my hand. With Todd Phillips’ previous “Joker,” I watched Joaquin Phoenix transform into the titular Clown Prince of Darkness from a plum seat at the Toronto Film Festival during its North American premiere at a theater filled with journalists and VIPs. This would be a different experience, with me sandwiched in with the sweaty fanboy masses. It turns out I was wrong.
(How is the movie-going experience? Not good. Watch the pirated version at home.)
The couple to my right — two men — moved to two empty seats to my right after the trailers ended. But a minute into the movie, another couple — male and female — arrived and wanted their rightful seats. They stood directly in front of me arguing, resulting in me missing most of the animated intro. Once the heterosexual couple nestled into their seats, they started to get busy. Really busy. Kissing, talking, ignoring the movie altogether. At one point, they were spooning, with their seats fully reclined — the woman (and man’s hand) stretching into my territory. My fears of catching a mass shooter stray were replaced by landing an STD by proximity.
Throughout the screening, the (still not full) theater was filled with constant movement. People coming, people going. To the bathroom, to the concession stand, just stretching their legs amid the 2:19 runtime. A couple of walkouts ensued. It felt busier than LAX, where I had just landed hours earlier. Despite all of the bustle, this was the lowest-energy crowd I have witnessed in some time. No cheers. No laughter at the few jokes. Definitely no singing along to the very recognizable tunes.
Ahead of the screening, the gay couple to my right agreed to give me their full take on the film after “Joker” ended. But the second the first end credit rolled, they made a beeline for the exit along with most of the theater. Only about five patrons watched to see the hundreds of names who toiled on this ambitious project shot here in their hometown.
I made my way to the only one person who looked like a potential fanboy, an empty bucket of popcorn in his hand, as the lights came up. Again, I misjudged. Tedashii was not a self-described fanboy by any stretch. He just liked the first film and showed up for another outing of unabashed nihilism. “Long but enjoyable” was his overall critique. But he, too, struggled with his fellow theatergoers and their lack of engagement.
“There were people next to me whispering and talking, hugged up, kissing. And I’m just like, ‘Why are you spending $50 plus concessions to come here to watch?’” Tedashii asked. “I mean, literally, the judge is hit in the back of the head. And then as soon as it’s done, they’re whispering. And then [Joker and Harley Quinn] tell a joke, and then [his seat neighbor] kisses her. And I was just like, ‘What is happening next to me?’”
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Jeez...
That's the type of behavior best saved for the late night showing of Borderlands or Vindicating Trump when you're the only two in the room.
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Where is it moving now? DOM: $90-100M and then maybe WW: $270
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However Worldwide could be very bad
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Korea - $1.75M
France - $1.3M
Italy - $1M
India - $0.75M
with numbers this bad I've a feeling China will also dump it
yet it can get much worse, overseas numbers are terrible now
but the era of DVD sales are over
it won't sell 'Toys' like other Disney stuff
a Budget 200 Million, not including promotion and advertising
Insider Reveals Joker 2 is Painfully Bad: “It was so boring they almost fell asleep”
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As bad as it is, Joker is still #1 in ticket sales (USA) for the weekend.
Daily Domestic Chart for Friday October 4, 2024
https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-chart/daily/2024/10/04
Joker: Folie a Deux $20,000,000
The Wild Robot $4,920,000
Beetlejuice Beetlejuice $2,700,000
Transformers One $1,370,000
Speak No Evil $840,000
Deadpool & Wolverine $414,000
Am I Racist? $128,000
Saturday Night $102,000
The Forge $100,000
Alien: Romulus $77,000
Vindicating Trump $56,000
It Ends With Us $30,000
Despicable Me 4 $24,000
Twisters $24,000
Faith of Angels $21,160
Inside Out 2 $3,000
Daily Domestic Chart for Saturday October 5, 2024
https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-chart/daily/2024/10/05
Joker: Folie a Deux $11,400,000
The Wild Robot $8,150,000
Beetlejuice Beetlejuice $4,600,000
Transformers One $2,405,000
Speak No Evil $1,220,000
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Too Long?
Running Time
2 hr 18 min
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt11315808/
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Quote:No matter what the length, a turd is a turd. Joker 2 revealed itself as a turd in the first 2 and a half minutes, which was a Joker-themed cartoon before the main show.
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Too Long?
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it seems like there is a remote chance it could spend another few days at number 1 gathering up cash internationally but soon it will be up against Terrifier 3, a 'Trump' film called 'The Apprentice' the Marvel Disney Sony movie Venom The Last Dance, Hellboy The Crooked Man, Juror No 2, Red One a Christmas theme upcoming American action-adventure comedy film, serial killer movie Woman of the Hour, Gladiator II.
New Hellboy ranking at 31% from critics' reviews positive, with an average rating of 4/10...Hellboy is out now vs Joker 2 but it was already released in June 2024 in the country of Belgium
Joker 2 is suffering
Most are calling it a flop, a loss for the studio
poor feed back, trashed by critics and weak audience scores, the question is how much will it have lost
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As bad as it is, Joker is still #1 in ticket sales (USA) for the weekend.
Well... This happens all the time. Almost every big-budget movie that failed this year, even most of the ones that failed hard, were 1st place in the box office on the weekend. That's just how the industry works and why the release schedule matters so much. Especially when these budgets are so insane. If another mid-to-high budget movie came out that people liked this weekend, Joker 2 would not have taken 1st place.
But it was up against The Wild Robot, a mid-budget Universal cartoon which was out for 2 weekends, Beetlejuice Beetlejuice which has already been out 5 weekends, and Deadpool and Wolverine which has already been out 11 weekends.
Early estimates for US opening weekend on Joker were close to $100 Million. They were then revised down to $70 Million. A few days before release that was dropped to around $50 to $55 million, and now the studio projections are only $40 Million.
It made $81 Million worldwide, which looks impressive compared to the $40 Million US Box office, but the original Joker ultimately ended up grossing 3 times as much outside of the US.
The budget for the movie was $190 Million, which means it needs something like $487 Million to break even. From my tracking over the last few years, a movie that doesn't make 80% of the production budget back worldwide will not break even. There have been some rare exceptions to this rule, but those are really only children's movies that pull off that feat.
I could give a pretty accurate worldwide guess after next weekend, but nothing that happened this weekend suggests there is any possibility this movie grosses anything close to breaking even right now. I would say that $400 Million is the absolute peak it could ever make after this weekend, but I doubt very much it ever reaches that with a D Cinema score and bad word of mouth. I think something closer to $300 Million worldwide is more likely than $400 Million.
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Weekend projections: Folie à Deux limping towards $40-million opening
https://www.the-numbers.com/news/257780830-Weekend-projections-Folie-a
-Deux-limping-towards-40-million-opening
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After Megalopolis’ creative swing and miss last weekend, Joker: Folie à Deux continues the trend this weekend, with filmgoers not finding the musical anti-hero movie to their liking. Warner Bros. is projecting the film will make $40 million by close of business today, well less than half of what the studio would have hoped for when they greenlit the project.
...
There’s virtually no good news to be found in Joker’s numbers this weekend. The model thought it should hit $50 million based on its preview numbers and baseline strength, but it’s falling well short of that goal. Its D CinemaScore tells you pretty much all your need to know (Megalopolis managed a D+ last weekend). A short run in theaters seems a certainty at this point, with $100 million domestically looking like a challenge.
Womp womp.
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and Kamala?
Kamala Harris Laughing Reminds Me of Cesar Romero as the Joker
it struggles in parts of Europe
China is the big overseas box office today...but it will be late opening in Chinese Cinema markets.
the French used to be big cinema goers but that market has collapsed...plus Joker 2 is disliked in France, the Italians and Mexicans are now a bigger market than French with South Korea and Brazil catching French sales or passing them.
some of the French winners in Sept
1Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice Hollywood remake
2Kaizen a documentary about a famous French YouTuber, attempting to summit the highest mountain in the world, Mount Everest
3Le comte de Monte Cristo a French period adventure-drama film based on the 1844 novel
4Le fil a 2024 French legal drama
5Emilia Perez a 2024 Spanish-language French musical crime comedy
there was a change for the French the next week
1Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice
2L'heureuse élue a French family drama couple comedy maybe also filmed in Morocco and other locations
3Le comte de Monte Cristo
4Le fil
5Megalopolis a US movie, the scifi drama film written, directed and produced by Francis Ford Coppola
comparing both Jokers trends....in France they expect Joker 2, to make less than the half of the first movie on the opening week
Joker 2 Folie à Deux by international market
https://x.com/BORReport/status/1842960874874806329
British - $8.0M
French - $5.0M
Germans - $6.9M
Italy - $5.6M
Mexico - $5.5M
Brazil - $4.7M
S. Korea - $3.7M
Australia - $3.1M
Spain - $3.1M
Joker director Todd Phillips isn’t planning a Harley Quinn spinoff or more DC movies
https://www.flickeringmyth.com/joker-director-todd-phillips-isnt-plann
ing-a-harley-quinn-spinoff-or-more-dc-movies/
in South Korea Joker 2 risks falling to 4th place, it is already collapsing behind 'The Executioner' two other films Love in the Big City a SKorea production and The Wild Robot a US film are challenging Joker 2 for that 2nd spot, in South Korea the movie Wild Robot is holding steady-ish, China and Japan have yet to open, the Japanese are always one of the last markets to open and typically cinema sales are not very high in Japan....that's what I have seen on international reports, c'est fini? Jokeover
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I assume nobody will watch this
so SPOILERS
here is what they say the plot is
SPOILER!!
its like a boring Hillary Trump trial injury....so in order to make it more 'exciting' Arthur aka Joker dismisses some lawyer attorney team 'Maryanne'? and represents himself at a trial, its a musical and other guys blast the courthouse, guys dressed as joker bomb or blow up the court and help him escape
they say Joker gets raped or beat with a bar of soap and then stabbed to death or abused by guards in jail
You don't see 'A Rape' but after the event he sits with a sore ass his butt checks clenched in a chair with this blank painful stare into space...so he was probably raped.
the prisoners are singing a Christian hymn during the homosexual rape scene...because Hollyweirdo
Arthur aka Joker wanders through Gotham city and encounters Lee aka the singer Harley Quinn? outside his old apartment, but she rejects him, says she aborts the baby or something or wants a new Joker line and pushes him away for renouncing his Joker persona and admits that the pregnancy is nothing or a lie...she dumps him.
there are lots of somewhat random dance or singing number...which seem to be bad according to people who do Singing or Ballroom or Music...its a BAD MUSICAL
some big dude comes along, says he wants to tell a joke and stabs him and says you're not the Joker and says 'Im the Joker'
Arthur aka Joker bleeds to death
Reports are saying ‘Joker2 Folie a Deux’ international weekend opening numbers might be very similar to ‘Morbius’ that strange dark Vampire Spider-Man Jared Leto, Matt Smith, Adria Arjona movie that almost nobody watched. Morbius had a Budget 70-80 Million? while Joker 2 is $190–200 million.
Joker: Folie à Deux Flips Off Fans and Haters Alike
https://medium.com/@jeremyfassler/did-todd-phillips-even-want-to-make-joker-2-8cb49812843f
Minds is full of dumb meme jokes about the Joker getting raped in the ass
https://www.minds.com/discovery/search?f=top&t=all&q=%23joker
Joker: Folie à Deux Off To A Slow Start At The Box Office, But That's No Surprise
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/joker-folie-a-deux-off-to-a-slow-sta
rt-at-the-box-office-but-thats-no-surprise/1100-6526918/
When was the last time a blockbuster flopped this bad both critically and commercially?
https://moviechat.org/tt11315808/Joker-Folie-a-Deux/67029e81300d3614e9
986f5a/When-was-the-last-time-a-blockbuster-flopped-this-bad-both-critically-and-commercially
ignored?...this was the only thread I could find but not directly related to the movie
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=5020376
people giving it a pass not watching
https://forum.dvdtalk.com/movie-talk/649159-joker-folie-%E0-deux-2024-
d-phillips-s-joaquin-phoenix-lady-gaga-11.html
Blu-ray Forum Movies
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=322352&page=64
It flopped
https://www.filmboards.com/t/Joker%3A-Folie-%C3%A0-Deux/It-flopped-353
6725/
one of those times a sequel should never have been made.
https://odysee.com/@Alteori:c/joker-2-folie-%C3%A0-deux-you-get-what-you:6
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Quote:The financiers should have invested in a higher-value, lower-risk project but the people who walked away from this stinking dumpster fire with $190 million are smelling the perfume of money.
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
while Joker 2 is $190–200 million.
one of those times a sequel should never have been made.
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on the third day its almost down -30% or -29.9%
Overseas numbers on Joker 2 the British -23% French sales in collapse -38% Germany -27% Poland is down -22.9% and Italy finally a positive with an opening weekend +99%
South Korea less collapse but it failed to reach number 1 so its Overall trend is downward vs other markets
There is a chance the movie The Wild Robot catches Joker 2 Folie à Deux... 3,997 Theaters vs 4,102 Theaters
and one time they thought this tranny stuff a good idea?
DC Comics fans outraged as new Batman plot sees the Joker become PREGNANT and give birth
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11609947/DC-Comics-fans-outra
ged-new-Batman-plot-sees-Joker-PREGNANT-birth.html
in South Korea it has already been knocked off the number 1 spot
'Executioner'
a poorly rated film vs a 100% film
Veteran 2: I, the Executioner
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/veteran_2_i_the_executioner
Film Theory: What If EVERY Joker Was Charged For Their Crimes
Joker 2 loses $70,000,000 as it’s ranked lower than ‘worst film of 2024’
https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/07/joker-2-loses-70-000-000-ranked-lower-w
orst-film-2024-21746863/
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expecting The Wild Robot to surpass but then outperform Joker 2 in sales in the next days....it already beat Transformers One?
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Opens in Japan on the 11th Day of October
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11315808/releaseinfo/?ref_=tt_dt_rdat
the Japanese box office market is small these days
Japan opens this FRI, China releases following week
https://x.com/GiteshPandya/status/1842959786381607127
There is that line....you get what you fricking deserve...but they decided to go with the ass rape humilation ritual and depressing degeneracy....
Trashed By Fans
So, supposedly they filmed 3 different endings for JokerFolieADeux in case the real one (which “it did”) leaked and they decided to NOT GO WITH THIS ONE???
https://x.com/GagaUnderMike/status/1842391646480019732
Lower than expected 37 not 40
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Early estimates for US opening weekend on Joker were close to $100 Million. They were then revised down to $70 Million. A few days before release that was dropped to around $50 to $55 million, and now the studio projections are only $40 Million.
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Bruce says it's probably going to make only $50 Million this weekend though
‘Joker: Folie à Deux’ Flops With Lower-Than-Projected $37 Million Box Office Debut
https://variety.com/2024/film/box-office/joker-folie-a-deux-flops-box-
office-worse-than-expected-opening-weekend-1236169811/
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By comparison, the original “Joker” earned $39 million on Friday alone in 2019.
Initial tracking was closer to $70 million, but those projections shrank dramatically in recent weeks to $50 million to $60 million. Monday’s final tally is below Sunday’s estimate of $40 million, which was flop territory
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Compared with the trash of Joker 2, movies like The Chronicles of Riddick, Titan AE, Mars Needs Moms, The Postman, Showgirls, Dark Phoenix, Justice League and Morbius are a master piece?
Is this worse than Santa Claus vs the Martians, Howard the Duck or Troll 2 at least they were funny, bad in a good way....Golden Raspberry Award or Razzie Awards contender?
Director Paul Verhoeven, whose Showgirls earned a record 13 Golden Raspberry Award nominations, was the first person to attend the ceremony and accept the awards in person
https://web.archive.org/web/20200808130420/https://editorial.rottentom
atoes.com/article/38th-razzie-award-winners-announced/?cmp=TWRT_Winners_Razzies
the 38th Razzies, The Emoji Movie, Transformers The Last Knight, Fifty Shades Darker, The Mummy and movies like Baywatch
Joker 2 could try for
Worst Picture
Worst Director
Worst Song
Worst Actor
Worst Actress
Worst Supporting Actor
Worst Supporting Actress
Worst Screenplay
Worst Visual Effects
Worst Remake, Rip-off or Sequel
Worst Screen Combo
So The only way to save it is to release a behind-the-scenes comedy of failures
Todd Phillips and Scott Silver thinking it needs more gay rape, needed more
it pissed of the Leftwing Liberals it pissed off the Rightwing Conservatives, Todd Phillips steals and launders money to trash his own film and even decided to make a movie that was designed to anger the fan base that’s what happening...its sick, dark, perverted, depressing and boring and the musical aspect poorly done.
causal movie going fans hate it
elite critics hate it
Kamala voters hate it
Trump voters hate it
Marvel fans hate it
DC fans hate it
Ford hates it
Ferrari hates it
Dallas Cowboys hate it
Washington Redskins hates it
Boston Celtics hate it
LA Lakers hate it
India hates it
Pakistan hates it
Jews hate it
Muslims hate it
Atheists hate it
Christians have hatred for it
and even Buddhists have hatred for it
Mr Ying hates it
and so does Mr Yang
...maybe even aliens on planet Mars would also hate it
the consensus is it universally disliked
courtroom drama dull and not so riveting
WB is fighting vs WB at the box office
marketing, a comedy of errors
40 min vid, he says under 100 Million Domestically
a name that just emitted silly failure... overly indulgent, pretentious attempting to impress, presumptuous, lah-di-dah smug direction, fake, arrogant, pompous a director of vain and too much ego and the delusion of self-importance
Universités haute couture je ne sais quoi de Francophonia
Lady Gaga over-rated Stefani Germanotta...there are momenst you think she will add something a spark or life or performance to New York City but it just never really happens.
Frenchy name or a French subtitle probably made it seem even more pretentious
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Lower than expected 37 not 40
LOL... Holy crap. Sony highballed the hell out of that opening weekend projection trying to save a little face in the online weekend articles.
I'm seeing $37.8 Million on The-Numbers right now.
It's much lower than expected. Last estimates coming in expected around $50 Million. The projections were already $10 Million behind the heavily reduced expectations and it ended up over $2 Million lower than those.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Early estimates for US opening weekend on Joker were close to $100 Million. They were then revised down to $70 Million. A few days before release that was dropped to around $50 to $55 million, and now the studio projections are only $40 Million.
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Bruce says it's probably going to make only $50 Million this weekend though
‘Joker: Folie à Deux’ Flops With Lower-Than-Projected $37 Million Box Office Debut
https://variety.com/2024/film/box-office/joker-folie-a-deux-flops-box-
office-worse-than-expected-opening-weekend-1236169811/
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By comparison, the original “Joker” earned $39 million on Friday alone in 2019.
Initial tracking was closer to $70 million, but those projections shrank dramatically in recent weeks to $50 million to $60 million. Monday’s final tally is below Sunday’s estimate of $40 million, which was flop territory
$50 Million was already flop territory. With the $81 Million internationally, it still would have only grossed $131 Million on a $190 Million budget and would not have reached 80% of it. With the reduced international interest, I think this needed to make closer to $90 Million in the states if it was going to have a chance of breaking even. In order to have been a sure thing to not lose money, it would have needed in the area of about $125 Million in the states this weekend.
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Have you run the numbers yet? I'm thinking going by your previous forecasts it would need 400M from Japan and China to break even-ish and make a little profit...which ain't happening...and then Joker 2 would need to sell a bunch of toys and DVDs and T-shirts get get any bigger profit...which also ain't happening.
Also falls to 2nd place in New Zealand behind The Wild Robot, so the South Korean trend of a falling Joker 2 might continue in other markets.
Schumacher at least apologized for Batman and Robin, but Todd seems to be sniffing his own gay homosexual farts and calling it 'Art' or something? Hollyweirdo corporate propaganda and agendas seem to have killed it also and the Harley Quinn—this is a strange version, the musical element didn't work and it was like some feminist re-imagining
the whole brand of Joker or franchise it doesn't seem to be a Joker or Batman Joker it was its own universe thing more about Riots, his delusion with Zazie Beetz as Sophie with her Karine Jean-Pierre haircut, a Taxi Driver King of Comedy tribute, anarchy on the streets, the rise of Lady Gaga....the whole 'Joker' thing never really felt like Joker to me, I was never a fan of the first film.
joker got old went to jail got gay homosexual and gang raped then some big dude stabbed and killed him, and said No I'm Joker instead...and Gaga seems to have rejected him or aborted the kids or dumped him or something... he bleeds out as an insult to its fanbase.
and finance...have they learned nothing. What the heck are these studios doing with budgets of 200 Million?
they need to keep budgets Low...ok you have exceptions like Spider-Man No Way Home and Wolverine Deadpool but its a smaller market now, the days of the Harry Potters, Avengers Endgame, LOTR and Ironmans is over...keep costs low
Godzillia Minus One Japan had a Budget $10 million-ish and made $120+ million
Joker is a writers disaster. I seen a few clips leak online just to confirm the crazy stuff they said in reviews are true and I'm not sure who stabs him...a random henchman, Connor Storrie’s inmate, Jacob Lofland Ricky Meline, or some psycho cosplay fan the fanatic type of "fan" convict inmate...maybe it was the nutty kid of Robert De Niro tv host...hold on I'm starting to write a better plot than Joker 2 it being such a crap movie....who was the big guy stabbed and killed him? ... in the end I only watched a few mins of it and don't really care
the reviews trashing it are far more entertaining
Vocaroo - The premier voice recording service
Foul Explicit language just like that shit movie
https://vocaroo.com/16TkOKBz3CXE
its JINO
Joker In Name Only
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Countryside rural people have not watched it at all
seems like sales all of the Joker-2 business for this was in US cities/on the coasts.
"We also understand that the lower 40% of theaters for Joker 2 only generated 5% of the gross." That means the lower 1,640 theaters averaged roughly $1,150
https://deadline.com/2024/10/joker-folie-a-deux-box-office-1236109191/
movies have been in decline maybe 2015, declined by Avengers End Game took a big hit with Covid and then all this DEI SJW left vs right, conservative vs liberal political a lot of theater reported as almost empty or half-empty on opening night and opening weekend
the cinemas might push it out to make room for Venom 3 or some Bollywood thing or a re-run of a Disney Pixar or Horror for Halloween Christmas period
...Joker 2 is about to be dropped like a rock
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Some critics argue that Joker 2 isn’t a musical — but it has songs and singing and dancing, and that’s what pissed off a 9PM Century City AMC attendees on Saturday who were shouting at the screen. We also understand that the lower 40% of theaters for Joker 2 only generated 5% of the gross.
https://deadline.com/2024/10/joker-folie-a-deux-box-office-1236109191/
Joker 2 in its final domestic will be greatly lower than the opening of the original movie, which continues to stand as an October domestic record with $96.2M.
Quote:
The Marvels, which was Marvel Studios’ lowest opening ever last November at $46.1M fell through the floor with a -78% drop in weekend 2 with $10.1M and that was off a ‘B’ CinemaScore.
A Pre-Covid movie Joker a Budget $55–70 million Box office $1.07 billion was compared to a post Covid movie Oppenheimer and The Batman
The Batman vs. Joker
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdown/sd356185604/
so let's compare Joker 2?
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons/Joker-Folie-a-De
ux-(2024)/Oppenheimer-(2023)#tab=day_by_day_comparison
because it is doing so poorly it risks getting switched out they could put in an old Classic Western or Romance from the US instead, Japan anime like Demon Slayer or One Piece type anime or My Hero Academia could be put in theaters where it fails to earn. Cinemas have to make money they might add a Spanish langauge or weird arty Eurotrash film or a China animation Boonie Bears, or some India Hindi Bollywood thriller thing like the Monkey Man film they might put on re-runs of StarWars, Batman, Spider-Man or some Disney Dreamworks kids animation or re-run old Aliens or re-run some random Horror genre movie instead.
one of the few movies it does compare well to in a Graph is the earnings of Morbius 2022, this Morbius had trouble getting near 100 Million, its final Box office was $165 million and is classed as a box office flop
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They are walking out because its not entertaining, sick grossly annoying and boring
‘Joker 2’ moviegoers are leaving theaters mid-showing: ‘What the f–k is this?’
https://nypost.com/2024/10/07/entertainment/joker-2-moviegoers-leaving
-mid-show-what-the-f-k-is-this/
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, “That s–t was garbage. Don’t waste your time. What the f–k? Two hours I am never going to get back. Don’t f–king waste your time.”
Mark Hamill is a voice actor who has also portrayed the Joker
Cesar Romero from the Adam West tv series and Lego Joker is thought to be a little to slapstick to be taken serious as a performance, Jack Nicholson continues ranking very high as a performance.
Joker was also played by Barry Keoghan the actor from Chernobyl, Masters of the Air, Saltburn in the Matt Reeves movie with Robert Pattinson, Zoe Kravitz film with the Riddler and Penguin characters.
they cut it from the film
Joker was also played by Andrew Koenig in a fan movie, son of Walter Koenig who originally played Pavel Chekov in Star Trek
Mostly people rank Jared Leto Suicide Squad Joker as the worst but now Joker-2 might rank as the worst?
You can rank this performance next to “Sharon Stone” Catwoman or the freakishly overdeveloped head in the new Marvel Disney Antman flop, Jonah Hex bad guy with John Malkovich, Judge Dredd evil clone by Armand Assante or Batman Forever Riddler.
Farrell or Nicholson or Hardy or James Earl Jones or Willem Dafoe
>
Phoenix
Joaquin Phoenix he was the biggest thing, it is doubful he will even get a flashback scene in Gladiator 2
There are times when Joaquin Phoenix had amazing performances but then
Napoleon
and now another FLOP?
does he need to do New York and London Stage and Theater again?
maybe he could cook and sell vegan food through some brand or company
Phoenix has an ability for music videos
with these flops has he deranked himself as A-List and now B movie material
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Maybe 'The Wild Robot' can gets back to No. 1 spot?
Who Benefited From Joker 2 Bombing At The Box Office? Everyone Else
https://www.slashfilm.com/1682446/joker-2-box-office-bomb-movies-benef
ited/
Indonesian Horror Film ‘Perewangan’ Picked Up by U.S.-Thai Distributor EST N8
https://www.topthreeus.com/indonesian-horror-film-perewangan-picked-up
-by-est-n8/
Venom The Last Dance is expected to beat Joker 2
they might also put the Halloween movies or Abigail 2024 back in cinema
and other possibilities of Joker 2 money?
the Chinese probably will not save Joker-2, it perhaps does not culturally appeal to them and its too far down
China Box Office: 'Volunteers 2' Dominates Holiday Weekend
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/china-box-office-volunteers-2-domin
ates-holiday-weekend-1236169632/
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completely crashing
made 1.8 million
it continues to struggle to reach 40 Million?
Warner Bros.'s Joker: Folie à Deux grossed an estimated $1.83M on Monday (from 4,102 locations). Estimated total domestic gross stands at $39.50M.
https://x.com/borreport/status/1843670417833402794
You could compare it to the trainwreck called 'The Marvels' but it seems to be doing even worse
it is dropping off faster than Morbius which was delayed by Covid from year 2020 to 2022
The Marvels seems to have done better and had a Domestic Box Office $84, Joker 2 could do even worse again.
Worse than Birds of Prey, Madame Web, Haunted Mansion, Blue Beetle?
Halloween season comes soon, 1.8 million would not pay the electric invoice or heating bills in all cinema, the cinemas will probably dump it for a random slasher horror movie soon...overseas world wide are also starting to hate it, terrible feedback everywhere.
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I did mention I expected this to behave somewhat like Blue Beetle and Shazam II.
It's still going to do better than both of those because of the international turnout. It's got $115 Million worldwide right now. I don't have the numbers in front of me right now, but if memory serves Blue Beetle and Shazam II both did in the area of $125 - $135 Million worldwide. It's essentially an impossibility for Joker 2 to do as bad as either of them. I think their budgets were only around $120-$125 though, so Joker 2 may still do worse on the ratio than both of them if this downward spiral keeps picking up speed.
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It only took 6 days for Joker to fall into 2nd place behind the robot kid movie.
We almost fell to sub-$1 Million in the first week. It sees at least 3 days next week under a million. Maybe even under a million on Cheap Seat Tuesday too.
I wonder if any lessons were learned here.
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Quote:The lesson is that a Joker movie will likely be successful if the Joker goes on a murder rampage. If he doesn't, the movie will likely fail. In Joker 1, Joker murdered his mother and others. In Joker 2, Joker didn't murder anyone. If the Joker's love interest, Lady Gaga (fulfilling the role of his mother in the previous movie) had been murdered by the Joker, the movie could have been a huge financial success. If anyone wants to test this theory that success follows from mass murder, please plot the movie ticket sales versus the number of Joker's victims in previous movies with Joker as a main character.
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I wonder if any lessons were learned here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joker:_Folie_%C3%A0_Deux#Plot
See the very first Batman in 1989. The Joker was on a murder rampage and the movie was very lucrative for Hollywood. Mass Murder sells movie tickets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_(1989_film)#Plot
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Batman#tab=summary
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Why No One Will Get Fired Over ‘Joker: Folie à Deux’
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/joker-folie-a-deux
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When Michael De Luca and Pamela Abdy took over as co-heads of Warner Bros.’ movie studio in early June 2021, one of the first decisions they made was to move forward with a sequel to Joker, the Oscar-winning, $1 billion hit that helped redefine the heights a comic book movie could reach.
Virtually all the key deals were already put in place by their predecessor, Toby Emmerich, with A-list director Todd Phillips and star Joaquin Phoenix getting $20 million paydays.
One small outstanding matter was Lady Gaga’s perk package. Within weeks, the papers were signed — her pay was $12 million — and she officially joined Joker: Folie à Deux.
Abdy and De Luca could have said no to making the film, but they would have been the laughing stocks of Hollywood, considering the astonishing success of Joker and its record-shattering ride at the global box office, where it ranked as the top-grossing R-rated film of all time until Deadpool & Wolverine came along.
While it is not the lowest North American opening for a pic based on a DC character, Joker: Folie à Deux is major stumble. Yet numerous sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that there’s no studio head in Hollywood — save perhaps for Sony Pictures’ Tom Rothman — who would have turned down making a sequel to a film that was both a commercial and critical hit. To boot, Abdy and De Luca were under orders by Warner Bros. Discovery chief David Zaslav to fill a bare cupboard after the studio’s Project Popcorn disaster, which alienated talent by sending its entire 2021 slate day-and-date to streaming service Max. Zaslav also is keen to exploit the company’s IP more fully.
“It is a collective failure, but it was right to make this movie,” says one top veteran producer and financier, who points out that Phillips is a brilliant director who has made Warners billions between the first Joker and The Hangover movies.
There was no test screening, though insiders say this was a mutual decision between the filmmaker and Warners in order to preserve spoilers. That decision does stretch credulity, as the film does not have a particularly spoiler-heavy plot, and even spoilerific movies like Marvel Studios’ Avengers: Engdame had multiple test screenings.
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Why do you think about Trump 24/7. He hasn't been President for nearly 4 years but you can't think about anything without thinking about Trump.
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Why No One Will Get Fired Over ‘Joker: Folie à Deux’
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/joker-folie-a-deux
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When Michael De Luca and Pamela Abdy took over as co-heads of Warner Bros.’ movie studio in early June 2021, one of the first decisions they made was to move forward with a sequel to Joker, the Oscar-winning, $1 billion hit that helped redefine the heights a comic book movie could reach.
Virtually all the key deals were already put in place by their predecessor, Toby Emmerich, with A-list director Todd Phillips and star Joaquin Phoenix getting $20 million paydays.
One small outstanding matter was Lady Gaga’s perk package. Within weeks, the papers were signed — her pay was $12 million — and she officially joined Joker: Folie à Deux.
Abdy and De Luca could have said no to making the film, but they would have been the laughing stocks of Hollywood, considering the astonishing success of Joker and its record-shattering ride at the global box office, where it ranked as the top-grossing R-rated film of all time until Deadpool & Wolverine came along.
While it is not the lowest North American opening for a pic based on a DC character, Joker: Folie à Deux is major stumble. Yet numerous sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that there’s no studio head in Hollywood — save perhaps for Sony Pictures’ Tom Rothman — who would have turned down making a sequel to a film that was both a commercial and critical hit. To boot, Abdy and De Luca were under orders by Warner Bros. Discovery chief David Zaslav to fill a bare cupboard after the studio’s Project Popcorn disaster, which alienated talent by sending its entire 2021 slate day-and-date to streaming service Max. Zaslav also is keen to exploit the company’s IP more fully.
“It is a collective failure, but it was right to make this movie,” says one top veteran producer and financier, who points out that Phillips is a brilliant director who has made Warners billions between the first Joker and The Hangover movies.
There was no test screening, though insiders say this was a mutual decision between the filmmaker and Warners in order to preserve spoilers. That decision does stretch credulity, as the film does not have a particularly spoiler-heavy plot, and even spoilerific movies like Marvel Studios’ Avengers: Engdame had multiple test screenings.
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This is about 12 paragraphs of bullshit is what this is.
You can't make an argument that "anybody would have been foolish not to make a sequel after how well the first one did", because that's not the argument to be made here.
No fucking kidding a sequel was going to be made.
That doesn't mean you give the director 4 times as much money and just tell him to make whatever he wants. That doesn't mean you don't intervene immediately when somebody says they're going to make a Joker musical in 2024.
There's a lot of blame to go around for this. And everyone knew this one was going to fail except for the people who made it. I called this a loser well over a year ago when the rumors it starred Gaga and it would be a musical were confirmed.
Honestly... I thought this was going to be one of the scrapped movies after the strike because of the musical thing. But they did it anyway.
As Arthur would have told them, "you get what you fucking deserve".
That goes for your firing choices after this movie too. Keep those people employed for the next flop and we'll see how well you learn your lesson next time.
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I'm going to get a real good laugh if tonight's release "Terrifier 3" takes the top spot over Joker 2.
I've never even heard of the first two, but Bruce thinks this is a possibility even though the Christmas slasher will be in just over half of the theaters that Joker 2 is playing in this weekend.
Bruce makes no mention of it in his theater count article, but I'd probably be just as worried about the Robot Cartoon that came out a week before Joker 2 dethrones it. We've already gotten a recent reminder of how poorly an R-Rated movie performs against other movies with Deadpool and Wolverine earlier this year, and 3 of the top 6 movies in 2024 are kids movies.
If Joker 2's hold is particularly weak on weekend 2, and The Wild Robot's hold is particularly strong, there's a possibility that Joker 2 doesn't fare better than 3rd place this weekend. Bruce seems to think that more than one of the new releases this week have a shot of overtaking Joker as well, so that would be really funny to wake up on Sunday morning and see the studio projections have Joker 2 in 4th place.
I don't think it will do nearly that bad, but I base that just on what I've viewed historically in movies. This one's probably a pretty unique case here. Worst Cinemascore of the year (and I've heard some people say in history). A fan base given the middle finger by the director and anyone else involved. The fact that it's a musical.
Who knows... Joker could see something stupid like a -80% drop from its already terrible opening weekend.
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Quote:Are you aware of the word "conceited"? Terrible things happen to conceited Americans who lack the qualities and the knowledge they pride themselves on having. Conceited Hollywood directors think they know what audiences want, so they don't run test screenings. Same with Trumptards convinced they know the results of an election before it is held.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:There's a lot of blame to go around for this. And everyone knew this one was going to fail except for the people who made it. I called this a loser well over a year ago when the rumors it starred Gaga and it would be a musical were confirmed.
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“It is a collective failure, but it was right to make this movie,” says one top veteran producer and financier, who points out that Phillips is a brilliant director who has made Warners billions between the first Joker and The Hangover movies.
There was no test screening, though insiders say this was a mutual decision between the filmmaker and Warners in order to preserve spoilers. That decision does stretch credulity, as the film does not have a particularly spoiler-heavy plot, and even spoilerific movies like Marvel Studios’ Avengers: Engdame had multiple test screenings.
Honestly... I thought this was going to be one of the scrapped movies after the strike because of the musical thing. But they did it anyway.
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$77 million from 76 overseas markets.
https://x.com/Variety/status/1843383468455276590
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See the very first Batman in 1989. The Joker was on a murder rampage and the movie was very lucrative for Hollywood. Mass Murder sells movie tickets.
Why is this a better movie, did Burton have his own style perhaps he had something to say
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It only took 6 days for Joker to fall into 2nd place behind the robot kid movie.
So predictions seem correct, it failed on the first week
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Quote:The movie made an enormous profit because Tim Burton killed the Joker. Why profitable?
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See the very first Batman in 1989. The Joker was on a murder rampage and the movie was very lucrative for Hollywood. Mass Murder sells movie tickets.
Why is this a better movie, did Burton have his own style perhaps he had something to say
Because audiences like violent movies that end with justice. Hollywood translates and simplifies that concept to mean the violent deaths for the antagonists in the final scenes, just before the coda, where the protagonists get praised and receive medals for bravery.
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complete flop.
very unlikely China can save it
Joker Disaster Could Set Box Office Record for Second-Weekend Drop
https://www.indiewire.com/news/box-office/joker-disaster-could-set-box
-office-record-for-second-weekend-drop-1235054958/
more bad news for Hollyweird
Joker 2 is falling like a rock and getting its ass kicked by old movies
Warner Bros.'s Joker: Folie à Deux grossed an estimated $2.20M on Friday (from 4,102 locations).
Domestic suffers
gross earning stands at $46.76M.
https://x.com/BORReport/status/1845118839891296766
a 90% drop from its domestic opening day
https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1845121112482472424
Warner Bros.'s Beetlejuice Beetlejuice which is old also might beat Joker 2
Overseas in Spain Europe a movie The Wild Robot takes #1 while Joker already dropped to #3.
Japan it seems Joker 2 made ¥120M ($0.8M) .
In China there is a good chance re-runs of Harry Potter will beat Joker 2
‘Joker 2’ Suffering Worst Second Week Box Office Drop in DC History
https://screencrush.com/joker-2-box-office-drop/
the ass raped Joker 2 might get knocked down to 10th and beat by Piece by Piece a Japan anime called My Hero Academia, old showings of Transformers One, re-runs of The Nightmare Before Christmas
Terrifier 3 and The Wild Robot have taken 1st and 2nd place, knocking out Joker 2 in its first week
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It only took 6 days for Joker to fall into 2nd place behind the robot kid movie.
So predictions seem correct, it failed on the first week
Boy, were they...
I said it might hit 3rd or even 4th place for the weekend. Terrifier 3 crushed it with $5.8 million last night (Not including Thursday previews). Wild Robot got $3.8 million and Joker 2 only got $2.2 million.
That's an 89% drop from opening weekend!!!! Yeah... that does include preview Thursday, so Joker 2 won't get -89% for the weekend, but I've never seen anything over -80% exactly before when previews were included. This is the worst drop I've seen for any movie since I started paying attention. (If memory serves, the previous -80% drop I saw was The Marvels late last year).
Beetlejuice Beetlejuice took 4th place, but wasn't far behind with $1.95 million. I'd love seeing it lose to all 3 of them.
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Oh... It still might come in 4th...
Projections are $18.3 Million for Terrifier 3. $13.45 Million for The Wild Robot. $7.055 Million for Joker 2.
The projection for Beetlejuice Beetlejuice was $7.050 Million.
$5,000 difference there.
Rooting for B2.
In any event, that's an 81% drop from the first weekend on J2. I'm pretty sure that even The Marvel's last year didn't end the 2nd weekend with a drop that severe.
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We didn't get to see how much they paid on marketing, billboards, advertising
but it finally crossed 50 M but its at least a 200 Million-ish movie production
Warner Bros.'s Joker: Folie à Deux grossed an estimated $7.06M this weekend (from 4,102 locations), which was an 81% decrease from last weekend. Estimated total domestic gross stands at $51.61M.
https://x.com/BORReport/status/1845488706549125156
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DC Warner Bros canon and director now says it was all a bad dream
JOKER DIRECTOR SAYS ARTHUR FLECK WAS NEVER JOKER - Film Threat News
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We knew this was a flop on the second night but now mainstream media are officially calling it a flop
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In any event, that's an 81% drop from the first weekend on J2. I'm pretty sure that even The Marvel's last year didn't end the 2nd weekend with a drop that severe.
one of the worst cinema drops in US History and World History
it can also be compared with the largest drops in history Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace, The Wizard of Oz 2019 Re-Release and the movie Gigli
'Wild Robot' Beats 'Joker: Folie à Deux' at International Box Office
https://variety.com/2024/film/box-office/the-wild-robot-beats-joker-fo
lie-a-deux-international-box-office-1236176451/
‘Joker: Folie à Deux’ to Lose $150 Million to $200 Million in Theatrical Run After Bombing at Box Office
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/joker-folie-a-deux-lose-warner-bros
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They sell it off for a Download and get on Streaming soon...
Online Tv B movies- Joker: Folie À Deux Hits Digital Platforms
https://bleedingcool.com/movies/joker-folie-a-deux-hits-digital-platfo
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‘A middle finger to the audience’: Why Joker 2 flopped
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/why-joker-folie-a-deux-flopped-at-
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the troubled movie Beetlejuice 2 which is also out a while and is also possibly a flop beat the crap out of Joker 2
Beetlejuice 2 Buries Joker 2 at the Box Office in Its Sixth Week
https://comicbook.com/movies/news/joker-2-box-office-bomb-budget-beetl
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Joker 2 set to be the biggest box office flop of 2024
https://www.dexerto.com/tv-movies/joker-2-biggest-box-office-flop-2024
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‘Joker 2’ Flop In 2024 Threatens Worst-Case Future For DC Studios
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2024/10/08/joker-2-flop-in-202
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Could Cost Warner Bros. As Much As $200M After Bombing At The Box Office
https://comicbookmovie.com/batman/joker/joker-folie-deux-could-cost-wa
rner-bros-as-much-as-200m-after-bombing-at-the-box-office-a213969
Lady Gaga and Joaquin Phoenix's Joker: Folie À Deux FLOPS at box office after receiving historically low CinemaScore
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13928825/Lady-Gaga-Joaqu
in-Phoenix-Joker-LOW-CinemaScore-flops-box-office.html
Universal / DreamWorks Animation's The Wild Robot grossed an estimated $24.1M internationally this weekend.
Estimated international total stands at $64.7M, estimated global total stands at $148.5M
https://forums.boxofficetheory.com/topic/32299-the-wild-robot/
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Can The Nightmare Before Christmas Re-release or an old Japan anime cartoon beat Joker 2 ' Folie à Deux'
it is causing damage to cinema profits
beat by Terrifier 3, old movie The Wild Robot, old movie Beetlejuice Beetlejuice part 2 sequel
not even bronze
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I said it might hit 3rd or even 4th place for the weekend.
down to 4 th
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/date/2024-10-13/
placed at fourth spot
https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-chart/daily/2024/10/13
an estimated $930K on Monday from 4,102 locations. Estimated total domestic gross stands at $52.49M.
https://x.com/borreport/status/1846197205079937441
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$840K on Tuesday from 4,102 locations
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I said it might hit 3rd or even 4th place for the weekend.
down to 4 th
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/date/2024-10-13/
placed at fourth spot
https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-chart/daily/2024/10/13
an estimated $930K on Monday from 4,102 locations. Estimated total domestic gross stands at $52.49M.
https://x.com/borreport/status/1846197205079937441
Indeed it did.
$7,323,508 / $7,002,654
As I said, I would have been happy with a $5k B2 win here. That extra $300k+ is just icing on the cake.
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It only took 6 days for Joker to fall into 2nd place behind the robot kid movie.
We almost fell to sub-$1 Million in the first week. It sees at least 3 days next week under a million. Maybe even under a million on Cheap Seat Tuesday too.
I wonder if any lessons were learned here.
Monday (Bank and Government holiday): $928,357
Cheap Seat Tuesday: $838,226
Will we get below half a million tonight?
Worldwide BO in 12 days: $166,291,605 on a $190 Million budget.
Pure doornail situation here.
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Paul Schrader Walked Out of ‘Joker 2’: ‘A Really Bad Musical’ Oct 15, 2024
Paul Schrader’s esteemed career includes writing the scripts for movies like “Taxi Driver,” which served as a primary inspiration for the first “Joker” film in 2019. He went on to call the sequel “a really bad musical.”
“I don’t like either of those people,” he added about Gaga and Phoenix. “I don’t like them as actors. I don’t like them as characters. I don’t like the whole thing. I mean, those are people who, if they came to your house, you’d slip out the back door.”
“I saw about 10 or 15 minutes of it,” Schrader said while talking to Jeremy O. Harris for Interview magazine. “I left, bought something, came back, saw another 10 minutes. That was enough.”
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/paul-schrader-joker-folie-a-deux-ba
d-musical-walked-out-1236178450/
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It sees at least 3 days next week under a million. Maybe even under a million on Cheap Seat Tuesday too.
...
Monday (Bank and Government holiday): $928,357
Cheap Seat Tuesday: $838,226
Will we get below half a million tonight?
Wednesday: $524,099
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One of the problems we have now because of social media and the internet is that everybody is a critic, everybody is a film reviewer. And the other half of it is that none of them can make any money. [Nov.2016] Paul Schrader
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One of the problems we have now because of social media and the internet is that everybody is a critic, everybody is a film reviewer. And the other half of it is that none of them can make any money. [Nov.2016] Paul Schrader
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How about make a good movie.
Did any of you think to try that?
And yes. I saw the highlight of the year 2016. We know it's been going on at least that long, so thank you for highlighting the date of that quote for me.
This would have come out roughly within a month of the article you cited...
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It sees at least 3 days next week under a million. Maybe even under a million on Cheap Seat Tuesday too.
...
Monday (Bank and Government holiday): $928,357
Cheap Seat Tuesday: $838,226
Will we get below half a million tonight?
Wednesday: $524,099
Thursday: $413,139
Womp, Womp.
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Week 2 and its in 6th spot
Smile 2
Terrifier 3
The Wild Robot
We Live in Time
Beetlejuice Beetlejuice
Joker: Folie à Deux
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it will be at 10th place soon but theatres are still showing it, does Warner Brops have a contract that forces cinema to show this terrible movie, sabotaging profits and costing US and world cinema money???
Not many films made money but some film did good this year, Deadpool and Wolverine movie continues to make money as Joker 2 flops
‘Deadpool & Wolverine’ Surpasses ‘Barbie’ as 12th-Biggest Film in Domestic Box Office History
https://variety.com/2024/film/box-office/deadpool-wolverine-surpasses-
barbie-domestic-box-office-history-1236183713/
Germany ($40.7M) , China ($59.7M), Australia ($44.5M), Mexico ($43.5M)
the Chinese seem to have rejected Joker 2, beaten by a US Re-Release in China
‘Joker: Folie à Deux’ Debuts Behind ‘Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets’ Re-Release in China
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/joker-folie-a-deux-behind-harry-pot
ter-china-box-office-1236183900/
Animation movie The Wild Robot is beating Joker 2 in other locations around the world
The Wild Robot grossed an estimated $23.2M internationally this weekend
https://x.com/BORReport/status/1848012387569324278
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Why did Joker 2 lose so much money? And how on earth did it cost so much in the first place? | Joker: Folie à Deux
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/oct/16/why-joker-folie-a-deux-2-
lose-money-and-how-did-it-cost-so-much-in-the-first-place
That's why you laugh....its a medical condition? thugs stole his sign....hit him with a cardboard sign. Batman Fires The Joker
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I remember saying that when the first Joker came out they should ditch the "cinematic universe" they had been trying and failing to build for 5 years and build one around this version of Joker in a much different world than the ones that the Justice League were protecting. Would it have been a success? I dunno. But at least it could have been interesting. That could have been an era of cheap comic book movies with storytelling and acting above all the multi-million dollar special effects.
But then they gave the real Joker 4 times the budget for his second movie and he lit the whole house on fire.
Meh. Whatever.
Thrilled to see this was outright rejected by everyone.
Since Phillips can't do comedy anymore, this might just be the end of his career in Hollywood. Maybe he and Paul Feig can go work on another Ghostbusters movie.
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‘Venom: The Last Dance’ Waltzes In With Strong China Start; Global Debut Now Heading to $165M – International Box Office
https://deadline.com/2024/10/venom-the-last-dance-china-global-interna
tional-box-office-1236156457/
Catastrophic amount of money Joker 2 will cost Warner Bros after 'terrible' sequel bombs at box office
https://www.unilad.com/film-and-tv/news/joker-2-money-cost-warner-bros
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Venom doing fine but Joker 2 is sewage
its so bad film directors are trashing it, Paul Schrader, calls it a bad musical.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Are you aware of the word "conceited"? Terrible things happen to conceited Americans who lack the qualities and the knowledge they pride themselves on having. Conceited Hollywood directors think they know what audiences want, so they don't run test screenings. Same with Trumptards convinced they know the results of an election before it is held.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:There's a lot of blame to go around for this. And everyone knew this one was going to fail except for the people who made it. I called this a loser well over a year ago when the rumors it starred Gaga and it would be a musical were confirmed.
Originally posted by second:
“It is a collective failure, but it was right to make this movie,” says one top veteran producer and financier, who points out that Phillips is a brilliant director who has made Warners billions between the first Joker and The Hangover movies.
There was no test screening, though insiders say this was a mutual decision between the filmmaker and Warners in order to preserve spoilers. That decision does stretch credulity, as the film does not have a particularly spoiler-heavy plot, and even spoilerific movies like Marvel Studios’ Avengers: Engdame had multiple test screenings.
Honestly... I thought this was going to be one of the scrapped movies after the strike because of the musical thing. But they did it anyway.
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My predictions of late have been pretty spot on.
I'm not a prophet. I base my predictions on verifiable data and objectivity.
There is nothing in the current numbers that indicate that Harris has any real chance of winning on November 5th, and every factor currently available to us right now points to a huge Trump victory.
She could pull an upset, sure. But I wouldn't bet on that.
Also, it's really easy for me to make predictions like this. If Trump loses, we just get 4 more years of the same trash we've gotten these last 4 years. We'll survive. And I'll have zero problems surviving the next 4 years no matter who wins.
On the other hand, you're being told things every day like life as we know it is going to end or it will be the end of Democracy in America and the rest of the world if Trump wins and you believe that.
I have nothing to lose if I'm wrong. The only way I could possibly put myself in a position where the outcome of the election were to have an impact on my life is to actually make a cash bet on it. You've wrapped your personality so deeply in your politics that I'm afraid what you might end up doing to yourself or somebody else if Harris doesn't win. You've been off the rails ever since I've known you no matter who is in office. It just gets worse when your person isn't sitting in that chair.
I look forward to the next 4 years, regardless of the outcome.
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still holds 5th place Domestically, but from what I hear of this film I can't understand why anyone is watching it
in world wide cinema online gossip says it has been knocked out of top 10 already
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/
https://www.the-numbers.com
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Quote:This is Pascal's wager with Trump substituted for God.**
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I have nothing to lose if I'm wrong. . . .
Joker 2 is a musical about a mass murderer, but one who can't sing worth a damn. In contrast: a successful musical about a mass murderer is "Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street" which became a movie based on the Broadway play.
It was no surprise when Joker 2 failed at the box office because of crappy singing of recycled music with no particular theme connecting songs (other than low-low licensing fees).
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Sweeney-Todd-The-Demon-Barber-of-Fle
et-Street#tab=summary
** Christians say the Wicked politicians rule but when the Lord's Kingdom arrives there will be heaven on Earth. For "Wicked" substitute "Democrat" and for "Lord" substitute "Trump" in the Trumptard version of earthly Heaven.
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Originally posted by SECOND:Quote:This is Pascal's wager with Trump substituted for God.**
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I have nothing to lose if I'm wrong. . . .
Only from the perspective of one who views Trump as either God or Satan.
That sounds like a You problem.
And the meaning of "I have nothing to lose if I'm wrong" doesn't fit into your Pascal's wager theory anyhow. I'm absolutely making the right choice on my vote. What I meant by having nothing to lose is if Trump loses I'm not going to lose my mind over that fact like you did when Trump won. You're still crazy 8 years later and your guy has been running the show for the last 4 of them.
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Tax payers in Commiefornia
Waste of the Day: California Subsidized “Joker 2” For $20 Million
https://www.victoriaadvocate.com/waste-of-the-day-california-subsidize
d-joker-2-for-20-million/article_490c87dd-48d8-58ee-be58-7085beb1a3d8.html
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it looks like the Rocky Horror Picture Show from the 70s will beat Joker 2
Venom
already looking for profit or breaking even, a stronger start by Venom 3
Movie Comparison: Joker: Folie à Deux (2024) vs. Venom: The Last Dance (2024)
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons/Joker-Folie-a-De
ux-(2024)/Venom-The-Last-Dance-(2024)#tab=day_by_day_comparison
very big overseas
Domestic (23.2%)
$22,000,000
International (76.8%)
$72,800,000
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl3290006273/
Worldwide
$94,800,000
US movie goers are still watching Joker 2 Folie à Deux but it is fighting Transformers One, reruns of Nightmare Before Christmas, reruns of 90s Hocus Pocus, Deadpool & Wolverine, The Rocky Horror Picture Show 1975 for the 10th spot
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They show Rocky Horror Picture show all the time in theaters. I knew of at least two places in the North and West suburbs of Chicago that played Rocky Horror every single weekend in one of their theaters. One time I even got the pleasure of walking out of a movie at the exact same time the people who came to watch RHPS were walking in, and they all looked like they came out of a My Chemical Romance music video. And both groups of people just shambled awkwardly past each other... none of them exhaling until we made it to our destinations.
If those theaters are still doing it today, a lot of those same people are probably still showing up every Saturday night to dance to the Time Warp for the 2,000th time.
Long story short, if anybody bothered keeping track of smaller specialty theaters making bank for decades on Friday and Saturday nights by re-showing Rocky Horror Picture Show every weekend for the same loyal group of people, I'll bet in your average year that movie pulls in 20% of what Joker 2 pulls in the US box office.
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Quote:The best free copy you are likely to find.
Originally posted by second:
Joker Folie à Deux 2024 1080p TELESYNC x264 COLLECTiVE
Torrent Link: B4F0F5C30B928618051322FB1AD1A909AD368A5B
File Size : 5.79 GB
Plot:
Arthur Fleck is institutionalized at Arkham, awaiting trial for his crimes as Joker. While struggling with his dual identity, Arthur not only stumbles upon true love, but also finds the music that's always been inside him.
The movie starts with a two-minute and 30-second cartoon: "Me and My Shadow" with the cartoon Joker starring. I would have walked out of the theater before that cartoon finished. The live-action movie following the cartoon is no better.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Torrent link: 3890a1cd81c802c5819dc96cd10ca90e22f31f43
Joker.Folie.a.Deux.2024.2160p.HDR10Plus.DV.WEBRip.6CH.x265.HEVC-PSA
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its run across Asia is probably over
Joker beaten by Venom in South Korea, people still watch Hollywood film around the world but reject the new Hollyweirdo movie crap
‘Venom: The Last Dance’ tops Korea box office with more than 60% of ticket sales.
https://www.screendaily.com/news/venom-the-last-dance-tops-korea-box-o
ffice-with-60-of-takings/5198600.article
Joker 2 is so bad it make the original acclaimed Joker to be even worse, review critic revisionism happening now
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Joker 2 is so bad it make the original acclaimed Joker to be even worse, review critic revisionism happening now
I'm not surprised it did make it worse.
The Matrix sequels did the same to the Matrix.
Anything Marvel has done in 5 years has devalued anything that came before it.
If any of these people had an ounce of talent, they'd be remaking movies that flopped instead of churning out constant sub-par reboots of classics.
People need to actively go out of their way to avoid watching trash, especially when it attached itself like a barnacle to something you loved.
Once you watch it, you can't unwatch it.
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9th place looks like US cinema is finally dropping Joker 2, it seems Joker Folie à Deux is down to 1,200 theaters
almost beaten by older films like The Nightmare Before Christmas and Deadpool and Wolverine
did WB have agreements to keep it for as long as possible in US cinema costing theater money or any chance to have good profit?
if they brought TopGun remake Maverick back into cinema would it beat Joker part 2?
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Variety finally picked up on this story. While filming, it was known that Joker 2 would be a failure. So why did filming continue? "We get paid the same for a piece of crap as for a cinematic classic. Why would we care that it is crap?" (This explains why most of Hollywood's output, going back to the silent movie era, has been crap.)
Nov 9, 2024 10:12am PT
‘Joker 2’ Actor Says It’s ‘the Worst Film Ever Made’ and People on Set Said ‘This Is Going to Bomb’: ‘It’s Not Even Hate-Watchable. That’s How Terrible It Is’
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/joker-2-actor-worst-film-ever-made-
1236205294/
Quentin Tarantino humorously makes it perfectly clear this movie is a piece of crap:
“The Joker directed the movie,” Tarantino said about director and co-writer Todd Phillips. “The entire concept, even him spending the studio’s money — he’s spending it like the Joker would spend it, all right? And then his big surprise gift — haha! — the jack-in-the-box, when he offers you his hand for a handshake and you get a buzzer with 10,000 volts shooting you — is the comic book geeks. He’s saying fuck you to all of them. He’s saying fuck you to the movie audience. He’s saying fuck you to Hollywood. He’s saying fuck you to anybody who owns any stock at DC and Warner Brothers […] And Todd Phillips is the Joker. Un film de Joker, all right, is what it is. He is the Joker.”
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Yup.
Like I said... I probably will watch it for a laugh eventually.
Phillips will never be trusted in Hollywood again, but that was a pretty hilarious fuck you to the world on the investors' dime.
Todd Phillips was the real Joker all along.
ETA: I know that his Hangover movies were loved and broke records at the time they came out, but I thought they were mediocre when I got around to watching them. What Phillips did here to WB might just be the funniest thing he's ever done.
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‘Wednesday’ adds Lady Gaga to season two cast
https://www.nme.com/news/tv/wednesday-adds-lady-gaga-to-season-two-cas
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‘Wednesday’ adds Lady Gaga to season two cast
https://www.nme.com/news/tv/wednesday-adds-lady-gaga-to-season-two-cas
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I'll bet Jenna Ortega is thrilled (not).
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We got some good movies and ok songs
Hollyweird and a lot of California seems finished now, its not just Ass-Raped Joker-2 or Tech Companies moving out
Ok its been a full week
7 Days, winds chilled out, cold dampness and they still can't deal with these fires
all beyond stupid now
I don't know what to say
maybe just sit back and enjoy Nero's Tunes as Rome Burns? Hollywood Freaks, “Los Angeles Is Burning” by Bad Religion, Haydn Symphony No.59 in A major “Fire” , Ritual Fire Dance by Manuel de Falla, Saint-Saens Danse Macabre, John Field Go to the Devil and Shake Yourself, Hotel California Eagles, Iron Maiden Numer of the Beast, Leftfield Open Up, Burn It Down by Linkin Park, Firework Katy Perry, The Doors Come On Baby Light My Fire, We Didnt Start the Fire, “Firestarter” The Prodigy, "Highway to Hell" AC/DC, Burnin' For You Blue Oyster Cult, Play With Fire” by The Rolling Stones, Sex on Fire – Kings of Leon, Lost in Hollywood System of a Down, You're The Devil in Disguise The Jordanaires, Elvis Presley, Hollywood Diary Black Flag, Burning Down The House Talking He, Burning Bright Field on Fire – Nine Inch Nails, Slayer – Hell Awaits, I’m on Fire – Bruce Springsteen, Setting Fires – The Chainsmokers feat Xylo, Devil Inside INXS, Fire Your Guns – AC/DC, Ring Of Fire – Johnny Cash, Californication Red Hot Chili Peppers, “Fire on the Mountain” by The Grateful Dead, Sheryl Crow - All I Wanna Do, “Bloodfire” by Dropkick Murphys, Ozzy Osbourne – Hellraiser, Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire Joni Mitchell, Hollywood (Down On Your Luck Thin Lizzy, “Fireball” by Deep Purple, Hollywood Liar Grace Jones, Tartini Sonata 'The Devil's Trill, “Dies Irae” the Requiem by Giuseppe Verdi, Liszt Mephisto Waltz, The Origin of Fire by Jean Sibelius, Beds are Burning by Midnight Oil
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what else...
Say Goodbye to Hollywood Billy Joel
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Say Goodbye to Hollywood Billy Joel
We Didn't Start the Fire?
Maybe we can do Farm Aid Part 2 and have Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass up their singing it with Mark Ruffalo and the Avengers, with a surprise guest appearance by Whoopie Goldburg.
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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon
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Johnny Cash and Napoleon
Ridley Scott's 158-Minute Epic Is Officially Apple TV’s Newest Streaming Smash
https://collider.com/ridley-scott-epic-napoleon-apple-tv-streaming-suc
cess-july-2026/
Olivia Rodrigo May Follow Lady Gaga And Billie Eilish’s Historic Grammy Feat
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2026/07/12/olivia-rodrigo-ma
y-follow-lady-gaga-and-billie-eilishs-historic-grammy-feat/
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