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JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 3, 2025 5:15 PM (P)

the pop music culture of France that was once alive now seems totally dead

The French songs can barley enter the top 30 of other nations, for a while France was Cool and Fashion, the Artist Édith Piaf, Chanson D’Amour, Vanessa Paradis, German project Enigma using Latin and French, the Canadian French Celine Dion, 1970s and early 1980s were the peak of French, Ca plane pour moi Plastic Bertrand, Voyage Voyage Desireless...Alizée the last attempt to break into the top 10 but she only became a dancing meme gif...Netherlands or Dutch liked the 'Lolita song, weird tastes from Holland...there was a book made into a movie Humbert kidnaps and sexually abuses Dolores after becoming her stepfather the scence is sicko Privately, he calls her "Lolita", the Spanish diminutive for Dolores, a weird sexual pervert novel was written in English, but fear of censorship in the U.S.and Britain led to it being first published in Paris...where does its 'pop' brand go now? France popular music it seems culturally dead now but what of the past, what if it gave birth to jazz?

‘Leave One Day’ Review: Charming if Familiar French Musical Dramedy Opens Cannes 2025
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-reviews/leave-one-day-r
eview-partir-un-jour-1236208565/

I know I have made negative comments on Western music but let's look at the French msic charts and what makes a hit, Las Ketchup, John Travolta & Olivia Newton-John, Shakira Whenever Wherever, Crazy Frog "Axel F", DJ BoBo Chihuahua, Kylie Minogue from Australia "Can't Get You Out of My Head" or ex British girlband Spice Girl Geri Halliwell "It's Raining Men" or O-Zone "Dragostea Din Tei" a Romania Moldova song, Kaoma "Lambada"...the rest seems to be non musical electronic techno or rap...even worse than Crazy Frog?

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 3, 2025 5:17 PM (P)

USA-French Creole Jazz Band

long long ago on the 3rd day of March 1699, when French explorers Pierre Le Moyne d’Iberville and Sieur de Bienville arrived near present-day New Orleans. When they realised it was the eve of the medieval carnival, they held a small celebration

King Oliver
https://original-jazz-history.blogspot.com/2013/07/king-oliver.html
This probably seems like we’ve lost chronological order, but that’s because jazz wasn’t put onto record in the right order. The recording industry was slow to catch up with jazz, so the first generation were recorded haphazardly.

The story of Mardi Gras in New Orleans? Here's how it all got rolling

Mardi Gras in Colonial New Orleans Ambience & Music

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 3, 2025 6:30 PM (P)

from the culture traditions of Folk, to the weirdness of Jazz and dance and silly circus chords, to the sounds of Orchestra mixed with world sounds

to the AI an Entirely new thing they say the Artificial Robot and Chatbot and 'Art Maker' it makes attempts at choral music, it does pop and rock, it rhymes, the Exotic Ethnic sounds, Baroque Concert Band, chamber music it can do big band, jazz taking peoples jobs

a machine that can make Piano and Guitar and Wind and Brass and Percussion and String Ensemble Music Stream all in one Plastic Synth package and even do region and period styles

Made in Spain: The first music album created entirely with artificial intelligence

https://www.euronews.com/culture/2025/03/18/made-in-spain-the-first-mu
sic-album-created-entirely-with-artificial-intelligence

and the weirdness

Microtones

Four Pieces in 15-equal Division of the Octave
https://www.meantone.org/2023/03/claudi-meneghin-four-pieces-in-15-equ
al.html

Singapore guy and the spread of 'Pipa' from China

techniques used

Introduction - LessonsGoWhere

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 3, 2025 6:48 PM (P)

film music, pop music, tv game Sound track, rock music, Gamer Audio performace on keys and sythn, your 3 chord trick and music theory, jazz...whiplash man doesnt care, asks are you rushing or dragging!?

Disagrees With Bernstein's Tempo ...not just any vocalist, it's Christa Ludwig

Microtonal Dream Pop using Fretless Guitar

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 3, 2025 6:50 PM (P)

1975

discussion of music theory broadcast to a general British audience

The 100 Greatest Songs in the History of Korean Pop Music
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-korean-pop-songs-1
234727955/

FOCUS Wales is the grassroots festival redefining music’s future
https://www.thelineofbestfit.com/features/festivals/focus-wales-review
-grassroots-festival-redefining-music-future

K-pop girl group, the Korea machines, Blackpink to perform at Singapore's National Stadium

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 3, 2025 6:51 PM (P)

hopefully Rick Beato will continue checking out Toop10 and tell us if anything is worthwhile

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 3, 2025 7:25 PM (P)

Reacting to the Top 10 Songs on iTunes...BTS WTF?

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 3, 2025 9:32 PM (P)

Violin and Fiddle, differences? why does fiddling sound so scratchy...a song for dancing not really stuck on notation and an oral tradition of history

Australian Bush 1966

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 3, 2025 9:32 PM (P)

Banjo

'Murphy Campbell'

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 1:26 AM (P)

Making of Phantom Island - King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard.

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 1:29 AM (P)

Anoushka Shankar – Traveller (live at Girona Festival)

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 1:32 AM (P)

Wild geese descending on a sandy beach, Liu Fang pipa solo

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 5:04 PM (P)

Piano Pieces That Will Change Your Playing

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 5:06 PM (P)

Louis Armstrong's Trumpet | Christie's

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 5:10 PM (P)

Bulgarian traditional music,solo kaval & gadulka

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 5:12 PM (P)

Nordic folkmusic on nyckelharpa by Myrkur

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 5:20 PM (P)

Mastering Right-Hand Rhythms - Brazilian Guitar Techniques

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 5:20 PM (P)

Finnish folk tune

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 7:13 PM (P)

Rhythms of Bali Gamelan Music

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 7:17 PM (P)

The BEST Native American Flute for a Beginner

'BlueBearFlutes'

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 7:27 PM (P)

Scotsch Snap

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 7:28 PM (P)

Filipino Zithers Philippines, Kolitong & Takumbo

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 7:36 PM (P)

Vietnamese Music

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 7:39 PM (P)

Molly Tuttle - Cold Rain And Snow

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 7:42 PM (P)

Zeibekiko steps

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 7:44 PM (P)

The Postie’s Jig - Scottish Country Dance

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 7:51 PM (P)

Aida Garifullina - Casta Diva - Bellini

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 7:52 PM (P)

Melbourne Welsh Choir Sing: Eli Jenkins Prayer

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 7:53 PM (P)

Gamelan Cudamani- Music and Dance of Bali

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 7:54 PM (P)

same vocal, as above but the original 'Diva' the original supreme

Maria Callas sings "Casta Diva"

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 4, 2025 8:17 PM (P)

and people write their papers

Distinctive Features of Traditional Singing in Sri Lanka
https://jrm.sljol.info/articles/10.4038/jrm.v1i2.7

Sri Lankan Drum

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, June 5, 2025 12:49 AM (P)

Japan toons, a Japanese anime television series

Original run 2003

Texhnolyze Music

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, June 5, 2025 12:52 AM (P)

Deconstructing Diminished Chords - Music Theory for Guitar

Signals vid channel, music studio

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, June 5, 2025 1:52 AM (P)

Knives the main antagonist of the Japan Trigun series?

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, June 5, 2025 2:09 AM (P)

he spends 2 mins blabbing about Major in 'C'

What Are Augmented Chords? - And How to Use Them!

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, June 5, 2025 4:50 AM (P)

did he just say sorry Robby Krieger and sorry Arab LMFAO

Everyone Teaches Modes WRONG Except Me

a social media channel vid marbinmusic

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, June 5, 2025 5:01 AM (P)

Unlocking ALL the Modes

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, June 5, 2025 8:33 AM (P)

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
ha! glad you enjoy that stuff, I don't really like old game music at times as sometimes I feel its too 8-bit or 16-bit but then somewhere in the 90s and 2000s the sampling got really good and it became difficult to tell the real instruments from fake electronic sounds, I also admire what composers did with such limited tech. Key changes or modulation is cool, sometimes there is a long chord progression or a final cadence but game stuff usual is supposed to catch you like a commerical advert jingle while at the same time putting you in the zone hypnotic. Sometimes they use tricks, different rhythm and melody, call and response, the canon, or one Low line plays something and the high voice plays something else and eventual it add ups. They can have unsual phrases like those ambient techno songs that almost follow Classical music with unconventional structure instead of your 8 bars, 12 bar blues or 16 bars its not 4 bars of music its something else

Yeah... well you're never going to confuse Nintendo 8-bit or 16-bit hardware for the real thing. Those chips were way too cheap and that was the only way to keep the prices affordable at the time. Except for one of my friend's dads and my own uncle, I didn't grow up around anyone who had computers when I was growing up. They were just too expensive, and my folks didn't have any reason for them at home until the time their work started sending them home with pagers and laptops and cell phones so they could work 24/7 for Big Corp. We could barely afford the cheap consoles.

I've heard things that the Amiga could do though over the years with MIDI and all that. It is pretty awesome what people today have figured out with the old consoles though. Everything from creating graphics and level layouts to making music in a new Nintendo or Super Nintendo game is so much easier today because people have come together and open-sourced so many new engines that people can use to program the machines without needing a double masters degree in Assembly and whatever archaic shit they used back then.

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 and 6

a melody based on that can eventually meet with another line based on 8s

1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and five and six and seven and eight

you can repeat the 6s and 8s and eventual they line up

6 + 6 + 6 + 6 = 24
8 + 8 + 8 = 24

then throw in funk chord vamp and a poly rhythm and the listener really gets bamboozled

old style music is back now as people want the old-school 80s and early 90s sound trying to recreate a certain style

its amazing what they did with such limited tech

a 'quarter note' would be interesting, are you sure? I'm not sure but maybe that would be 'microtonal' something you do on synth but more tricky in the real world
a whole tone is A to B or C D E ...Do Re Mi are 'whole tones' the half tone is using the black keys,a mix of white and black on piano for 'simplification' they call it chromatic, it would be the single jump of frets on your guitar or bass that is a 'half tone'...a simplification on quarter tones would be bending a note on guitar, or the cracks between the keys on piano, which you can access on keyboard with one of those pitch bending wheels

Man... Trying to read that a couple of times now and it's like trying to read Klingon still. I envy what you filled your head with compared to a lot of the shit I've filled my own with over the years.

I appreciate ya for writing it out though, and sorry it took so long to reply. I had it in the back of my mind to reply to this when I didn't have anything immediately to write back when I first saw it. I also noticed that you've updated it since when you first wrote it.

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I might have a listen later

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Who knows? Maybe if not for that

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, June 5, 2025 9:14 AM (P)

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I had a quick listen you're right there is a change but I don't think its a quarter-tone as you say, I don't have perfect pitch but I dont think its a 24edo or 24tet note

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Jack: Oh... See... I didn't mean "tone" then. I'm getting our wires crossed. I'm not talking about the sound of any notes, but the length of them. That note I mention that plays right at 6:19 and right around every 51 seconds apart from itself to and from that time stamp.

At every other interval in the entire 51 second loop, the Bass starts at the TOP and goes down, down, down, down to the bottom and then starts at the top again. All except for that very short note. The "quarter-note" being about 1/4th the time I would say in my dummy layman speak what I considered a full note to be. Does that make sense?

I decided to do a poor-man's brainscan for you, and even learned a bit more about the song while I was at it.

I'm even more impressed with it than I was before because it's even less complicated than I was giving it credit for the last time when I said it was only a 51 second loop and it felt like so much longer.

The Bass only does the "falling motion" I was talking about twice in the loop. But there's so much going on they had the long one taking up space in my head as if my "Anchor" note were sandwitched between them like an oreo cookie.

But it's two sequences just falling before they go right back to the top, with the only deviant note being a "half" note... and not a "quarter note" like I was thinking.

I'm hoping this graph image scan of my brain while listening to this song can illustrate what I mean.

The red ".5" is the deviant note. The only time the Bass goes up. My anchor note.

That line on the left is the bass line going from top to bottom without restarting.

When my anchor note comes in every 51 seconds and bumps it up before the last drop, the bass goes right back to the top in only half the time it took to come back up on the other... well... I guess 2/3rds of the loop.

ETA: The video with the song again.

Anchor note is at 6:19 and loops every roughly 51 seconds before and after it.

And the Bass just falls like tetris pieces otherwise.

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, June 5, 2025 10:11 AM (P)

What's a brain without a heartbeat? Right Tin-Man?

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, June 5, 2025 10:35 AM (P)

Adjustments to the model were necessary...

The cymbals required a small tweak...

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, June 5, 2025 11:15 AM (P)

Further revisions to the model...

I think I got it right this time.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, June 5, 2025 11:26 AM (P)

Nope...

Pretty sure this is it though.

Those last three "quarter notes" on each 1/3rd of the loop...

I think they've been pulling a bit of a fast one on me with just the smallest amount of overlap.

ETA: Nope... still not quite right.

I'll come back to it.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, June 5, 2025 12:16 PM (P)

Got it.

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, June 5, 2025 12:47 PM (P)

Solved for Everything.

Oh... and if I didn't make it clear before, the Bass on each line is the same note EXCEPT for the line where the red anchor note comes in. Those .25/.5 breaks are just the bass being broken up in that 1/3rd instead of being full "2" per line/note.

ETA:

Nope...

240 isn't right though...

Too fast.

But 204BMP is too slow.

230 sounds right to me.

Must be that variance of "around 51 seconds...". Because over time it's no longer 51 seconds and I don't have a stopwatch to get anything closer than "1 one thousand, 2 one thousand, 2 one thousand".

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, June 5, 2025 1:11 PM (P)

My final answer...

"The greatest glory in living lies not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall"

ETA: Did I just invent my own language?

Where's JO. I need his opinion.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, June 5, 2025 3:26 PM (P)

I don't know what the hell they're doing to one of my old favs here, but I'm loving it...

OG:

CHIPTUNE/ORCHESTRAL (Probably my favorite, but they're all great):

SYNTHWAVE REMIX:

2A03 + S5B:

That oscilloscope is scratching all the right itches.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, June 5, 2025 3:52 PM (P)

A remix from 17 years ago... Like a year or two after YouTube was a thing people did and a channel with only 22 subscribers. Not really my jam and a little too slow for me, but crazy that somebody was making mods to this song like this back in 2008.

This is all just part of history... if somebody documents it all.

And they even put it in a cool looking beat game called "Beat Saber", apparently.

Looks like 3D/VR to me. I'm going to have to get me a rig like that someday soon.

That shit looks sick.

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, June 5, 2025 4:15 PM (P)

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

That oscilloscope is scratching all the right itches.

Got my favorite new channel of the week here...

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JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, June 5, 2025 5:17 PM (P)

Yeah I remember the Aerosmith Boogie Man I had not really heard it before, I think it was somehwat normal even though it was 'exotic' it was like 'E Minor' but a lot of strange stuff going on like minor 2nd interval or Minor Ninth note, but it still wasnt Micro-Tonal according to my definition or the defintions of others who talk msic theory. Even if you bend a note on guitar or use one of those pitch wheels on electric piano that isn't really Microtonal its more like a Psuedo attempt at making a Microtonal Sound. If I remmeber it had minor second intervals but also very slow long notes that let you mediate on the minor elements or Devils Tritone or mixes of seventh Major and Minor Seventh, the Major and Minor Third, the dissonant note or augmented note. For example the Harmonic Minor scale or some Blues can also sound very 'Exotic' or almost Balkan with Tritones or the Haiti Voodoo Blues eventually going to Rock music, the Harmonic Minor from the East going to Classical Music. These others scales Harmonic Minor, Phrygian, Blues, Mixolydian, Dorian etc are still very music 'Western' scales of twelve tone equal temperament, or equal division of the octave, the chords or scale you build on them fit perfect to the frets on Guitar or the notes on Piano. When you take a note outside your normal key it is often called 'Chromatic' but it can be still described by Western music theory as it is a normal note on your guitar or piano, even if you cluster notes together like Blues and use large jumps it can still be described by Western theory. Another trick I think the song used is it had modulation or key change for example in 'D' key you have D E Fsharp G A B Csharp and a high 'd' note and if you move to a 'G' which is G A B C D E Fsharp and high 'g' it doesnt really jar but it still sounds ok but a big strange or surprising with that one note change, you could call it modulation or key change. The same for going fom a F scale F G A Bflat C D E F to a Bflat Major Bflat C D Eflat F G A and a high 'b flat' the notes are almost the same but a single note change can surprise the listener, you can modulate from anything Dorian, Phrygian or Minor or throw in a strange chromatic note but it is still not really a microtone.

You can throw almost any arpeggio or chords next to each otehr and it can still be described by Western music theories. There are also bands that throw chords together because they just 'sound good' or nice or scary or jazz it up or do something weird and classical but even that can be described by Western Theory, for example strange Tritone substitutions replace a chord with another dominant chord a tritone away, like a Spanish song you can throw in a chord from outside the key use another 'mode' the Classical music pieces often blend 3 scales the Natural minor the Medolic Minor the Harmonic Minor and even use Key changes and Chromatic notes but that's all still described by Western theory, its not microtones. When using a strange chord or straneg note in place of another in a normal progression of chords, that wouldn't be 'microtone' it would just be described by 'Chromatic' or modulated key change or 'Passing Chord' or Chord substitution its been going on for a while since J. S. Bach times.

even the really weird exotic Western experiment stuff can often be described by Western theory or the 'Circle of Fifths'

You might however get weird harmonics going on when you blend a wall of sound

the smallest jump in Western music 99.999% of the time its a half tone, even in the strange music. but for every rule there are exceptions... Now you do still have people who do micortone stuff, a guy playing an old Greek instrument or for example barbershop quartet vocal ensemble consisting of singers they will often tune to themselves naturally creating a microtone outside of Western music a note slightly flat or slightly sharp characterized by close, four-part harmony or a guy exp

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, June 5, 2025 5:36 PM (P)

I will have a listen to that Aerosmith song again

You can have microtonal instruments but they are very. very different, like a guitar with new frets or some type of exotic piano dulcimer thing with notes different to Western music

another thing Western music did is put everything slightly out of tune so the mathematics of the notes would add up and be more 'in tune' when you played different notes and harmony and scales

true microtonal stuff sounds almost really alien weird exotic to alien ears or almost 'wrong' or the chords and harmony very strange, even more unique than Spanish or Jewish or Romania or Ukraine or Hungary music, there are notes in micrtone music that are truly exotic like the Indian Arab stuff. They have a truly different set of scale and harmony, in fact sometimes they sound non-harmonic even clashing according to how a Western ear would hear Microtones in Eastern, Microtones are very different jumps, they used to exist in the West but they now play an integral role in Eastern music, intervals smaller than a semitone or half-tone these would sound very alien 'exotic', and possibly a little out of tune to a Western ear, you might hear the microtone on a Sarangi, the Indian Sitar, or Asian flute, the Chinese language itself has a lot of pitch bending when speaking which may have also influenced their music instruments that spread across Asia, the Indians still keep their ancient system of 'Ragas' etc a completely separate system to analyze music outside of Western music theory

Tones & Semitones

JustinGuitar

this guy got obsessed with building a perfect newly tuned scale and did it with 'microtones'

different harmonics

MicroTone Guitars

true Microtonal Arab Indian music sounds very 'weird' to the Western ear, totally different Intervals, the West used to use Microtone but abandoned it all to put the concert and stage in perfect mathematical harmony according to Western theory

but you do have 'out there' Western guys experimenting with this microtone stuff

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, June 5, 2025 5:39 PM (P)

yeah maybe I will try listen to Aerosmith Boogie Man again but I dont think its microtone, it is however strange sounding maybe for reasons on previous page

What are microtones, and why are they not an everyday part of classical music?
https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/music-theory/what-are-microto
nes/
We explore the history and mysteries of the ‘notes in between the notes’.

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But what about the notes in between these notes? If we hummed a ‘glissando’, or ‘slide’ between these notes, what would those notes be called?

Those are microtones. But what makes them different, and why are they not a standard part of the music we hear on a daily basis?

'They are the notes in between the notes.'

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The most useful dictionary definition of microtone that we’ve found is in the in The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians, which describes it as “any musical interval or difference of pitch distinctly smaller than a semitone”, going on to give examples of divisions of the octave into more than 12 parts, and musics of ancient Greece and beyond.

Microtonal music is therefore music written to include microtones as well, or instead, of standard tones and semitones.

In the glossary on his Rest Is Noise website, music critic Alex Ross defines microtonal music as “music that uses intervals smaller than the semitone, or uses a tuning system other than the equal-tempered system that has been standard in Western music for the last couple of centuries.”

They have the potential to sound like ‘out of tune’ notes to ears used to Western music, especially when heard alongside the conventional notes of the piano keyboard.

the terms

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Where does the term microtone originate?

Confusingly, quarter tone was – and still is at times – used as shorthand to refer to any note smaller than a semitone, but it’s not really specific enough.

The Irish violinist, singer, writer, and authority on Indian music, Maud MacCarthy, was one of the turn-of-the-century thinkers who needed a way to expand music vocabulary to correctly categorise the notes with tiny intervals between them heard in the music she was exposed to. In Indian classical music the word ‘shruti’ defines a microtonal note that sits outside the pitches heard in standard Western music, and in around 1912 MacCarthy landed on using the term ‘microtone’ to translate the concept into English language.

Before that, as early as 1895, Mexican composer Julián Carrillo, had used the more specific terms ‘microtone’ and ‘microtonality’ when referring to music using notes outside the standard 12-note scale.

And other composers have come up with definitions for the notes in between the notes, including the Russian composer Ivan Wyschnegradsky, who used the term ‘ultra-chromatic’ to refer to any intervals smaller than a semitone, and ‘infra-chromatic’ for intervals that are larger than a semitone.

Theorist Marek Žabka liked to use ‘subchromatic’ while American composer Ivor Darreg has opted for ‘xenharmonic’ to refer to his system of scales using notes outside the standard notes of the modern piano.

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, June 5, 2025 5:39 PM (P)

real Microtonal Intervals sound very unique

Levi McClain

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, June 9, 2025 2:56 PM (P)

Why big music firms may sign AI deals: Fmr. Sony exec. explains
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/why-big-music-firms-may-120003660.html

Abba’s Bjorn Ulvaeus is using AI to write new musical
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/abbas-bjorn-ulvaeus-is-using-ai-to-write-
new-musical/

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, June 9, 2025 4:32 PM (P)

Ancient Vibrations: The Neapolitan Minor Scale & Its Modes

https://stringsofrage.com/scales-modes/exotic-scales-modes/neapolitan-
minor-scale/

Parent Scale: F Neapolitan Minor
Mode#2: Gb Lydian #6
Mode#3: Ab Mixolydian Augmented
Mode#4: Bb Hungarian Gypsy
Mode#5: C Locrian Dominant
Mode#6: Db Ionian #2
Mode#7: E Ultralocrian bb3

"Lydian Harmonic Major"
https://ianring.com/musictheory/scales/2517

very strange Neapolitan music idea with 6ths and inversion use
in the key of C major and C minor the Neapolitan sixth would be a D flat chord in its 1st inversion

popularity with 17th and 18th century composers in Naples, the Neapolitan 6th -French, German and Italian 6th chords.

Neapolitan Scales
https://pianoscales.org/neapolitan.html
The Neapolitan Scale originates from the city of Naples and opera composers during the 18th century such as Domenico Scarlatti and Domenico Cimarosa.
There are both a Minor and a Major Neapolitan Scale. The Minor Neapolitan can be seen as a Harmonic Minor with a flattened second note, whereas the Major Neapolitan can be seen as a Melodic Minor with a flattened second note. These scales are connected to the Neapolitan sixth chord, which has a flattened second.

a Major-seven but the scale is minor

E, F, G, A, B, C, D#, E

and it has a flat third but the name is Major

G, Ab, Bb, C, D, E, F#, G

a very strange thing to call it 'Major' its more like a Dorian or Indonesia Assyrian or maybe a neutral scale or Phrygian sharp 6 and sharp 7...not sure if Major suits but the name has stuck

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, June 9, 2025 4:33 PM (P)

Neopolitan Minor

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, June 9, 2025 4:35 PM (P)

Neopolitan Major

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, June 9, 2025 4:39 PM (P)

‘Unlock’ The MINOR Modes On Bass

Luke bass video channel

however its the modes linked to Major key and natural minor scale, also known as the Aeolian mode, he doesn't talk about the exotic stuff like Melodic Minor and Harmonic Minor

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, June 9, 2025 4:52 PM (P)

Musical Greek Modes

http://www.sound-physics.com/Music-Physics/Musical-Scales/Greek-Modes/

Plato banned the Lydian

Locrian scale is considered unsettling

neapolitan

problem with minor

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, June 9, 2025 5:12 PM (P)

Geographical Chords described

"Neapolitan" Chord

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 10, 2025 4:55 AM (P)

seems to be an Eastern Pentatonic scale but with bending of notes making it sound even more exotic

Tourists?

Hands on Experience of "Koto" - a Japanese Traditional Harp

although the Koto designs are Japanese they seem to relate to very much Chinese, Mongolian, Cantonese music culture

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 10, 2025 5:01 AM (P)

Mridangam - Tabla - Bansuri - Sitar - South Indian Wedding Performance

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Tuesday, June 10, 2025 5:06 AM (P)

Brasileirinho - Fabio Lima

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Tuesday, June 10, 2025 5:08 AM (P)

Scotland Dance

"Holyrood Strathspey"

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Tuesday, June 10, 2025 5:14 AM (P)

Spotify’s AI music DJ can now speak Spanish

https://www.engadget.com/spotifys-ai-music-dj-can-now-speak-spanish-18
0022156.html

‘A Billion Streams and No Fans’: Inside a $10 Million AI Music Fraud Case

https://www.wired.com/story/ai-bots-streaming-music/

Love Is a Drug. A.I. Chatbots Are Exploiting That.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/03/opinion/chatbots-ai-addiction-love.
html

AI chatbot to be embedded in Google search

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpw77qwd117o

K-Pop, Leading the Korean Wave

https://www.korea.net/AboutKorea/Korean-Wave/K-Pop-Leading-the-Korean-
Wave

Can K-pop thrive beyond its Korean identity?
https://www.koreaherald.com/article/3422669
I think they (K-pop groups with non-Korean members) can succeed, but part of the charm of K-pop for the average American fan is that it is from Korea.

K-pop without Koreans? As ‘K’ shrinks, K-pop grows

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/entertainment/k-pop/20250521/k-pop-withou
t-koreans-as-k-shrinks-k-pop-grows

Will AI take over K-pop? Virtual artists singing AI-created songs are coming soon, and that has human composers worried

https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/k-pop/bands/article/3240471/will-ai-tak
e-over-k-pop-virtual-artists-singing-ai-created-songs-are-coming-soon-and-has-human

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 10, 2025 5:15 AM (P)

the Korea version of China's instrument the Gayageum or Kayagum a plucked zither, some tv show how to make Korean traditional instrument

'Steps of making a gayageum with 1000's of hands. Korean traditional string instrument expert'

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 10, 2025 6:11 AM (P)

Hawaiian Steel Guitar " A SONG OF OLD HAWAII "

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, June 10, 2025 8:49 AM (P)

Interesting info in your replies, although again I have to admit that I don't know much so other when you take the time to go out of your way to try to explain something to me, it's all basically gibberish like a foreign language to me. Mad respect to you for knowing all of that though. Like I said before... If I had only listened to my step-dad when I was younger and spent some more of my free time not glued to that goddamned glowing rectangle. It's too bad he hadn't come into my life about 5 or 6 years before he did.

I was hoping you'd mention that Dushlan song. I was at that for hours the other night. Kind of got lost in it and really enjoyed that process of "translating" the bass and the percussion parts of the song in my own weird MS Paint / Spreadsheet way.

Maybe it wasn't impressive just because it means nothing when you look at it. But it's funny... I can just look at that final image I made for the song even after a few days away from it and I can instantly get the song in my head and "read" the notes and the pulse just from a quick glance.

I was only kind of half-joking when I said I wanted to ask JO if he thought that it would count as a new language I just wrote.

Maybe call it the "Musical Weekend Warrior and Surely Somewhere on the Higher End of the Autistic Spectrum Rosetta Stone Language".

I'll be back to this thread for more I'm sure. I've got to be in the mood to settle in with music, and I'm in another mode today.

But it's been a productive mode, so it's all good.

Here's that Bogey Man song again if you hadn't found it or forgot.

What a cool little jam that I'd never even know about today if I hadn't got conned by a friend to join up for Columbia House when I was a Sophomore in HS.

Listening to it now and just being taken back to a time where if you "owned" a piece of music, it really meant something to you back then.

Abundance really just makes you lose interest in really appreciating anything anymore. Songs like this were special to me. We didn't have a lot of money, and I didn't spend much of the little I ever managed to scrounge up on music when there were video games to buy.

Just thinking about going back to a day where you would buy a CD for $15 for one song you loved, and maybe 1 or 2 other ones that you liked enough to listen to again. And the entire process of swapping out one disc for another to hear one or two other songs you like. And cherishing those rare few albums that you discovered you didn't mind listening to from start to finish... Those were the real gems.

Then eventually resigning yourself to recording your favorites onto a cassette tape, which was not high quality and had likely been used to record 50 things before you got to using it.

The way we interact with all this stuff is just so amazingly different than it was when we were kids it's crazy when you go back and think about it.

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 10, 2025 6:31 PM (P)

Bach

Prelude n 1 in C Maj

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 10, 2025 6:35 PM (P)

Kingdom of Aurea by David Fleming

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 10, 2025 6:44 PM (P)

Cover, Baldur's Gate - The Friendly Arms Inn - Classical Guitar

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 10, 2025 6:44 PM (P)

Skyland Original Soundtrack

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 10, 2025 6:50 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Listening to it now and just being taken back to a time where if you "owned" a piece of music, it really meant something to you back then.

Abundance really just makes you lose interest in really appreciating anything anymore. Songs like this were special to me. We didn't have a lot of money, and I didn't spend much of the little I ever managed to scrounge up on music when there were video games to buy.

Just thinking about going back to a day where you would buy a CD for $15 for one song you loved, and maybe 1 or 2 other ones that you liked enough to listen to again. And the entire process of swapping out one disc for another to hear one or two other songs you like. And cherishing those rare few albums that you discovered you didn't mind listening to from start to finish... Those were the real gems.

Then eventually resigning yourself to recording your favorites onto a cassette tape, which was not high quality and had likely been used to record 50 things before you got to using it.

The way we interact with all this stuff is just so amazingly different than it was when we were kids it's crazy when you go back and think about it.

yeah its all changed, get more connected acorss the world with an overload of info made us all drift apart

You would meet someone at a store, a shopping mall, theer was some mad up role play ball game on the roads some streets some parts of town tougher than others, you could meet at an arcade or maybe an event or as you got older in pub or street corner, maybe outside a cinema ....your arriving early but that doesn't matter as both of you wait a good 15 mins even if the other person is late

and if you rang a home, maybe they picked up a home phone and maybe the mother or sister was also listening in on the other end of the phone, the landline where everyone knew everyone's business by a physical telephone connection that uses metal wires allowing mother or the family to eaves drop

and it was all a shared experience the CDs, the cassettes, the vinyl records, you often listened together in a group and decided if something was 'cool'

then you had stuff that was difficult to get, an old song, a band no longer playing and a record company out of business...was another company going to buy out the Label but at least You went and Bought that Album even if it was second hand, teen treasures to be found in a flea market, old games that would hopefully work or you get to buy something old and unique in the reuse or Circular economy, maybe even a love note inside a book that you didnt want to read or Happy Birthday and a date and you wondered if the original owner of the book was still alive

a scifi fantasy story nobody read in ages but you got it, a cool blues electro rock tune not played in a while

people don't even read books anymore yet alone buy CDs...but maybe Covid changed perspectives

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 10, 2025 11:49 PM (P)

Shady Grove - fiddle and fretless banjo

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, June 11, 2025 2:26 AM (P)

Secret of Monkey Island Opening Theme feat DiscoCactus

The Game Brass

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, June 12, 2025 3:16 AM (P)

Modes in 16th and 17th Centuries

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, June 12, 2025 4:09 AM (P)

maybe time for a rockin Heavy metal hard rock thrash speed metal, people talking about that flag a lot

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, June 12, 2025 6:25 AM (P)

Germanic Crusaders

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, June 12, 2025 8:46 PM (P)

Fazioli Pianoforti or Fazioli Pianos, italiana produttrice di pianoforti the grand and concert pianos coming from their factory in Sacile, Italy.

Unboxing a US$400,000.00 Fazioli Piano

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, June 13, 2025 12:24 AM (P)

Shake It And Break It - King Oliver & His Orchestra (1930)

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, June 13, 2025 12:25 AM (P)

À la découverte de la harpe de Bretagne (Hent Telenn Breizh)

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, June 13, 2025 12:26 AM (P)

(Sungha Jung) Seventh #9 - Sungha Jung

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, June 13, 2025 12:45 AM (P)

Modern Classical can get weird and does it even exist, Contemporary classical music, post-classical music, Classical contemporary are all said to be composers who formed their own weird sounding bright dark moody ideas for their times, strange new Form and Structure, mix of rhythms, all 12 tones instead of a Major or Minor or Modal center, sometimes it was just Piano other times a Variety of Sounds Orchestration, it could be a Composer for a movie or someone exploring a new idea and Instrumentation, the Continuation of Modernism, while Classical music generally refers to the old artform music of the harmonic music of the Western world, somewhat related to the harmonies of the Church but different to Ancient music, Music of Rome or ancient Greece, it covers the musical Renaissance era lasted from 1400 to 1600 and Baroque but also from the medieval era, the Romantic era, to the 21st century, Modernism trend of Classical Music and Post Modern Classical music may have or may not have ended with the 2 World Wars. From Baroque we see music influence Baroque era, keyboard music played on the harpsichord and pipe organ, the counter point on piano became increasingly popular, strings or violin becoming part of an ensemble or orchestra, new ways to approach harmony, there is still debate about 'definitions' and when certain eras or styles started, some even wonder if Computer music can be considered New-Classical as it contains the same harmony functions of composition.

Nikolai Kapustin performing Impromptu, op. 66, no. 2

maybe its not classical but 'Fusion' a Russian composer and pianist of Russian-Jewish descent, played with early Soviet jazz, 1937 burn in Ukraine, studied in Moscow, died in July 2020 music has been played by world leading pianists

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, June 20, 2025 5:59 PM (P)

Final Fantasy XII Music, Hitoshi Sakimoto composed most of the game's soundtrack its usually Nobuo Uematsu. I don't really know all this game stuff but yeah his music is kind of a big deal...Nobuo Uematsu maybe had some influence on XII music but he was starting to finish and go his own way, has since composed music as a freelancer for other games, 2018, Uematsu announced that he would take a hiatus in order to recover from work fatigue, which led to him being hospitalized. He composed the main theme for 2020's Final Fantasy VII Remake, "Hollow". Sakaguchi said that Uematsu's work on 2021's Fantasian could be his last major game score due to health issues. In a video posted to the Fantasian Twitter account on October 15, 2024, Uematsu announced that this was his last project as a video game composer. This was later clarified on his Twitter account that he was not retiring from video game music entirely. Hitoshi Sakimoto composed most of the game's soundtrack. Hitoshi Sakimoto tried to avoid copying Uematsu's style from previous Final Fantasy soundtracks. soundtrack was nominated for a British Academy of Film and Television Arts award for Best Original Score. Final Fantasy XII Original Soundtrack has sold 31,000 copies as of January 2010. It reached #7 on the Japanese Oricon charts, and stayed on the charts for six weeks. The album received mixed reviews from critics. Jared's review from Square Enix Music Online cited that the soundtrack "utilizes ambiance, power, intensity and beauty" and termed the album to be "amazing", though he felt that the lack of melody "hurts this soundtrack" and that some of the tracks were "bare of inspiration". Meghan Sullivan of IGN thought that the composer was "trying too hard to evoke emotion" and that many of the tracks were "over-the-top and bombastic", though she did feel that there were certain tracks that "managed to be stirring". She also stated that Uematsu's only work for the soundtrack, "Kiss Me Good-bye", is a "strong end to a surprisingly trite collection". The album contains 11 tracks handpicked by Hitoshi Sakimoto, including versions of "Theme of Final Fantasy XII" and "Chocobo FFXII Arrange Ver. 1" that were ultimately not used in the game.
https://web.archive.org/web/20080214100658/http://www.basiscape.com/so
und05_10_13/sound_ff12.htm

they tried something different and it took the game into a different mood

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, June 20, 2025 7:53 PM (P)

Jewish Ukraine Arab scale Mi Sheberach part of Gypsy India Roma scale or Jew Israeli Gypsies who played in Turkic Ottoman courts and Romanian, Ukrainian also known as Romania Minor scale or other ethnic music styles

play Dorian but Sharp the 4th simply Dorian #4 Scale, your third and seventh are flat

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, June 20, 2025 8:20 PM (P)

Persian Musical Scale

1 then flat 2 , 3rd , 4th, flat 5, flat 6, Major 7th

C, C# or D flat, E, F, F# or G flat, A flat or G#, B
or E, F, G#, A, B flat, C, D#

very alien exotic to a Western Ear

the Persian Scale has its own modes, Mixolydian Augmented with a sharp second Mixolydian ?2, Ultraphrygian double flat3 and Todi-Thaat part of an Indian Hindu scale it can be seen as Hindustani raga scale or be seen as a relation to the double harmonic scale but with a flat fifth degree, the flat two might make the scale seem Egyptian, Jewish or “Arabian”

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, June 21, 2025 5:45 PM (P)

brief maybe but a long vid

A Brief History of the (European) Flutes

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 24, 2025 7:03 PM (P)

Brazilian Percussion Instruments

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 24, 2025 7:03 PM (P)

33 MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS OF NORTH KOREA

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 24, 2025 7:15 PM (P)

Ten Interesting Musical instruments of India

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, June 24, 2025 7:17 PM (P)

What is Ethnomusicology?

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, June 26, 2025 9:16 PM (P)

some type of Bass wind instrument a maple ocarina

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, June 27, 2025 4:17 AM (P)

Odysee and Bitchute are useful for music videos

Allegro Classical Fingerstyle Guitar Lesson for Beginners
https://odysee.com/@PaluzziGuitar:4/Allegro-Classical-Fingerstyle-Guitar-Lesson-for-Beginners:d

HD TOTAL SCALES BASS GUITAR HOUR 1 method lesson
https://old.bitchute.com/video/q0_L3vKSwrQ/

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, June 27, 2025 1:35 PM (P)

the cult of jazz

Space Jazz - Earth, My Beautiful Home - Chick Corea, L. Ron Hubbard

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, June 28, 2025 4:13 AM (P)

10 Banjo Styles (other than Bluegrass)

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, June 28, 2025 7:13 AM (P)

noise, sound music is kinda stupid but... art

Leftfield, Inspection,

Check One

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, June 28, 2025 4:22 PM (P)

the 'Khim' a hammered Dulcimer related to Cimbalom, Yanggeum, Santoor Instruments, Zithers Developed in Antiquity

Khim Instrument

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, June 30, 2025 7:53 PM (P)

Japanese Pentatonic Scales

Akebono, Hirajoshi, Insen, Iwato, Kumoi-choshi

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, July 3, 2025 5:35 PM (P)

Playing TWO notes at once on Flute?! [Multiphonics]

Jasmine Choi

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, July 5, 2025 2:48 AM (P)

television composer Mark Snow The X-Files, Smallville, Blue Bloods

https://x.com/i/web/status/1941193494430949830

Mark Snow, the veteran television composer who turned "The X-Files" theme into an unlikely chart hit in the 1990s

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