2025 Wide Release Prediction Game Thread
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 28, 2026 17:16
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Things just got interesting...
https://www.the-numbers.com/news/259110830-Weekend-projections-Minecra
ft-enjoys-strong-hold-against-army-of-new-releases
Though the worldwide total fell very comfortably in my range, the way it got there surprised me a bit.
International totals were lower than the peaks I thought they could possibly hit, but the US Box office defied most predictions and ended up only 2-million short from the top of the wide range that Variety gave it for weekend 2. $80 Million for the weekend projected, and because Universal has no reason to lie about these numbers temporarily for better headlines, I suspect that it did better than that. This is only a 50% drop at $80m, and it is possible that it could end up with the $82 Million that Variety predicted at their top of range.
I have not, nor would I ever have predicted only a 50% drop here (which is even less than that, when you remove the Thursday Preview number out and compare both 3-day weekends).
So now we're already sitting at $550 Million worldwide, which is a $100 Million gross profit for Warner Bros and counting.
I do believe that I might have to increase my prediction once the final totals come in on Monday. Minecraft's US total was dipping quite significantly during the week compared to Super Mario Bros, but after the 2nd weekend it caught right back up and they remain neck and neck in the Domestic Box office (when not adjusting for inflation, of course).
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons/Minecraft-Movie-
A-(2025)/Super-Mario-Bros-Movie-The-(2022)#tab=day_by_day_comparison
The international total however, at least so far, paints a much different picture for Minecraft. In the end, The Super Mario Bros movie only got 42.3% of its total worldwide gross in the US. As of right now, 51% of Minecraft's worldwide box office is from the US.
Less than 9% might not sound like much, but you have to consider that's a 9% on both ends (meaning that it's effectively 9% less for domestic and 9% more for international at the same time, which is an important distinction to make in this case). And when we're talking about $1.4 Billion that results in huge differences in your predicted final worldwide total.
It is still my opinion that there is still zero chance for Minecraft to make $1 Billion, but the small drop in US box office on Weekend 2 is now starting to lead me to believe that $650 is going to come and go and we're going to be talking over $700 Million very soon here.
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It appears that somebody must have misspoke or overstated the original projections for the weekend. I figured that the real number was actually going to be higher than $80 Million, but that projection has now been reduced to only $78.5 Million before the final numbers come in.
$1.5 Million doesn't really change all that much in the scheme of things, but I did want to point this out because I said earlier that I thought it would be higher than $80 and could possibly hit the high end of Variety's prediction for the weekend. Even at $78.5 Million it defied nearly everyone's expectations, including mine.
Mistakes can be made and I've seen them in places like this where they don't usually belong before, so it's not a huge surprise. Usually when I see projections higher than the actual numbers though, it's when a big-budget flick fails pretty badly and they're looking to pad those negative headlines early with higher than reasonable Projections, and usually only in the first two weekends.
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I don't believe we're going to see those two lines cross again...
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons/Minecraft-Movie-
A-(2025)/Super-Mario-Bros-Movie-The-(2022)#tab=day_by_day_comparison
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maybe predictions were off a little I tought Thunderbolts would be out earlier
its going to be a big big hit maybe 'huge' the competition is meh I was into the movie before "Under Pressure" trailer
not sure how good it does but it makes money
it gets Disney / Marvel cash but there is the loss of neo remake nu Snow White
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I wouldn't go into nearly any Marvel movie these days with any positive vibes until after you see how opening weekends plays out.
I don't know where you're hearing this thing is going to possibly be a big hit. I see that Disney thinks it could be a sleeper hit because of some alleged good preview showings. Predictions that are out right now are somewhere in between Snow White and Blacktain Anti-America for the opening weekend Domestic, so unless Disney finally figured out a way to make their movies under $100 Million overnight and this was the first one, my assumption right now is that any Marvel movie coming out without the names Deadpool and/or Wolverine will lose money for Disney.
You know what the budget is?
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Google AI's answer:
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The Thunderbolts movie has a reported production budget of $200 million. This figure does not include the estimated $100-150 million in global marketing and promotional costs. To break even, the film may need to earn between $700-750 million globally.
Google AI is high on crack and/or Reddit.
If it cost $200 Million to make, it needs to make $500 Million to break even.
And that's assuming that the 2.5xRoT model is still even valid in 2025.
I think, counter-intuitively after what the Democrats inflicted on the poorest quarter of Americans in the last 4 years, that things are actually getting quite a bit cheaper to get done in Hollywood than they ever typically would be. Stuff isn't being shot, equipment isn't being rented, and prime real estate where smaller studios would usually have to book time are only being utilized at about 1/3rd of their capacity on any given day. We're talking stuff that you got on a long waiting list for unless you were one of the It People. You can just walk in off the street and rent out space today for today if you got the scratch.
I don't hear ANYBODY in 2025 trying to push the lie that some were a few years back that a movie needed to make 3 times the production budget to break even, and you might remember it took me MONTHS of reading articles from mostly left-wing sources and what they were saying about it that I finally decided to raise the model from 2.0x to 2.5x.
I actually hear a lot of people going back to the 2x model right now. But that could be Hollywood feeding bad info out there too. Who knows anymore.
All I know is that the so-called "AI" bot on duty tonight is getting really bad info from somewhere and presenting it at the top of the search results.
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All I know is that the so-called "AI" bot on duty tonight is getting really bad info from somewhere and presenting it at the top of the search results.
Yanno.....
If it is so smart and it has all the time in the world to search the internet before bringing a result back to us at a speed that may as well be instantaneous, why is it bringing me this trash that came out of some random dummy shitposting on reddit?
What's wrong buddy? I ain't in that big a hurry. I can wait 10 more seconds for you to do some more searching if it means that you can double check your work a few dozen times times before just grabbing the first post you saw on Reddit and coming back to me with "facts" that were clearly derived from a reddit-based troll post and/or a very stupid person.
How much electricity did you use up finding this crap, filtering it through a spellcheck and other obvious doctoring up you did when most people can't write, and putting it out there as a legitimate answer to my question? How can you even justify your own existence in the current state you are in? You must be aware from the articles written about you that you're being billed as something that can be trusted and is going to save lives, and yet you would come back to me with this answer and I'm supposed to believe I can rely on any answer you've ever given me in the past about any topic?
Where are the checks on its own checks? What if I was asking it important questions that needed solid information quickly?
And as going on half a century of living behind us now has learned us, there's a whole lot of really dumb folk out there.
I'll let you make your own correlations with those two concepts and what implications for the future they may bring.
hmmmmmmmmm...
I wonder how long it will be before more people than not don't even realize that there is more stuff below the AI response that is taking up more than 100% of their tiny phone screen gives shits out. I think it's a question about a plausible situation in the future since a good deal of young folk might not have ever spent much time in front of a computer that offers a MUCH different experience with the internet than the phone or tablet does.
Oh... what am I talking about. At the rate we're going, they'll forget to even bother learning how to read before that became a problem, and by that point, their devices that they trust more than their own mother will verbally tell them exactly what they need to hear whenever they ask it a question.
80% of the cretins walking around with these abominations would never touch a computer in their lives if everything hadn't been dumbed down to the point that they could wrap their monkey brains around them just enough to get it to make their lives easier, but not nearly enough to understand just what all they give away in return once they've made themselves the fucking product.
Why bother going to the trouble of collaring everyone when it turns out that you can get nearly everyone to collar themselves and make them think it was their own idea?
I liked the world a whole lot more when all the cool tech was limited to only the top 20% of people in the intelligence pool, and everything that we were interested in was just labeled as "uncool" to the monkeys that were too stupid to even figure out how to turn them on, let alone what you were supposed to do when you saw that little white line flashing but nothing else was happening.
This was a social contract we had for decades... and the world would be a much better place today than it turned out had it never been. But one day the price of tech went way down while the tech itself kept improving, and some point we finally crossed that line where the tech became affordable while being capable enough to bypass all the hurdles that made trying to sell computers to monkeys just completely evaporate. And then the contract
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and Marvel Disney are going All-In with the Fan4 ...another try
third remade btw tht is is you dont count low-budget specialists Roger Corman and Bernd Eichinger, an unreleased 1994 English-language German superhero film, story by Craig J. Nevius based on comicbook
so officially its three strikes youre out?
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If Pedro is in something, I'm out.
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Minecraft yeah it seems its not beating the Super MarioBros Movie, certainly not beating Incredibles 2, it has defeated 'Sonic' and made money so Hollywood does have a 'hit' of sorts
...and people seemed nervous, some downward dips,
the economy stupid
and it was starting to fall before the latest 'Trade War' stuff took off
A movie is entering top 10 WW, just in a single market
https://forums.boxofficetheory.com/topic/33033-stop-the-world-a-movie-
is-entering-top-10-ww-just-in-a-single-market/
SNOW WHITE | 90.9M overseas | 168.4M worldwide
https://forums.boxofficetheory.com/topic/32980-snow-white-909m-oversea
s-1684m-worldwide/page/2/#comments
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I don't believe we're going to see those two lines cross again...
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons/Minecraft-Movie-
A-(2025)/Super-Mario-Bros-Movie-The-(2022)#tab=day_by_day_comparison
3 days later...
It's had a fantastic hold. It grossed $6.5 Million on it's 3rd Thursday night, counting Preview Thursday. $6.5 Million is more than what all but the top performing movies of the last two years get on their own Preview Thursday.
Bruce is predicting only a -26% drop this weekend, which is the lowest prediction I've ever seen for a movie since I started paying attention.
Though that would keep the lines from separating any further this weekend, that's all it would do. Even at only a -26% drop, that would be $57 Million. The Super Mario Movie had a MUCH better 2nd weekend hold than Minecraft did, so even though it dropped -35% on weekend 3, it still made $59 Million.
-26% or better is nothing short of a miracle, in my opinion, so there's no way it's going to earn enough to bring the lines back together even though it's done amazing all week.
And the percentage of the Domestic/International will slightly improve twoard the international audience after they dump their weekly numbers on Sunday, it won't change it much from roughly 53% to maybe %50. Super Mario Bros had a 57.7% international haul. So if Minecraft is not doing as well in the US as Super Mario did, it's doing even worse internationally.
It's still nowhere near a $1 Billion movie, but everyone involved should be proud of what they did in this rough market.
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‘A Minecraft Movie’ Review – The Building Blocks For The Coming Era Of Slop
https://boundingintocomics.com/movies/movie-reviews/a-minecraft-movie-
review-the-building-blocks-for-the-coming-era-of-slop/
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‘A Minecraft Movie’ Review – The Building Blocks For The Coming Era Of Slop
https://boundingintocomics.com/movies/movie-reviews/a-minecraft-movie-
review-the-building-blocks-for-the-coming-era-of-slop/
I'll take slop over woke, but Hollywood can't settle for that. That's what was destroying Hollywood and allowed for all the woke shit in the first place.
And until they figure out a model that works, they'd better slash those actor's budgets.
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Looks like they got the internationals for the week really early this time around.
That with the $16 Million it pulled in on its 3rd Friday night gives us $662,526,515 worldwide, beating the high end of my total worldwide prediction by Minecraft by $12 Million after only 15 days.
It's still not a Billion Dollar movie, but it will get a lot closer than I thought it would. I don't have any exact math in front of me, but that was something in the area of $80 to $90 Million internationally, which is still big numbers.
It's far enough along now where if it keeps managing these very low week-to-week dropoffs I might end up eating crow over the Billion Dollar thing too if nothing comes out in the next few weeks that draws young audiences elsewhere.
There's no scenario where it comes close to beating Super Mario Bros., but it would be foolish of me to say 100% that it won't hit 1 Billion at this point. I don't think the chances of that are good at all, but I'd say there is a very small chance that it could given the right circumstances going forward.
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Maybe I started drinking Bruce's Kool-Aid here...
I mentioned that he predicted a -26% for the weekend drop, which by far was the smallest drop I've ever seen predicted.
It actually dropped -43%.
$41,300,000 for the weekend, and 2nd place to Sinners.
$695,526,515 worldwide total after Weekend 3.
This movie will not make $1 Billion.
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So video game movies
and horror it is then
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Maybe I started drinking Bruce's Kool-Aid here...
I mentioned that he predicted a -26% for the weekend drop, which by far was the smallest drop I've ever seen predicted.
It actually dropped -43%.
Mario Bros Movie had a huge international, Nintendo sells all over the world with all types of gamers, it probably because part of recognizable pop culture with all the toys, cartoons over the years
and even the silly 1993 movie probably gave it mainstream exposure with Dennis Hopper, Bob Hoskins, John Leguizamo, Fiona Shaw, Samantha Mathis, Lance Henriksen, Fisher Stevens.
The Legend of Ochi 2025 next week?
it seems that WB's movie SINNERS beat Minecraft with its $45-46 Million numbers in its Easter weekend
doing well especially for a period supernatural horror film
Budget $90–100 million
https://web.archive.org/web/20250119091300/https://deadline.com/2025/0
1/warner-bros-executive-exits-2025-movies-1236256895/
,
https://web.archive.org/web/20250407233307/https://www.hollywoodreport
er.com/movies/movie-news/did-minecraft-change-mike-de-luca-and-pam-abdy-1236184061/
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$41,300,000 for the weekend, and 2nd place to Sinners.
SinnersMovie - $45.60M
https://x.com/BORReport/status/1913993677627875709
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'Ne Zha 2' English Dub Targets Global Market After Record China Run
https://variety.com/2025/film/news/ne-zha-2-english-dub-global-market-
1236373335/
China Box Office: ‘Ne Zha 2’ Returns to No. 1
https://variety.com/2025/film/box-office/china-box-office-ne-zha-2-no-
1-1236373661/
sick of remakes?
...even more are coming...
‘Bridgerton’ Nicola Coughlan Slams HBO ‘Harry Potter’ Project: “Wouldn’t Touch It With A Pole”
https://deadline.com/2025/04/nicola-coughlan-slams-hbo-harry-potter-pr
oject-jk-rowling-1236372553/
Delroy Lindo Says Marvel Was ‘Really Interested’ In His Input For the ‘Blade’ Reboot Until the Film ‘Went Off the Rails’
https://variety.com/2025/film/news/delroy-lindo-marvel-blade-reboot-we
nt-off-the-rails-1236373492/
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Sinners Takes Over Top Spot At Weekend Box Office
https://bleedingcool.com/movies/weekend-box-office-sinners-a-minecraft
-movie-king-of-kings/
‘Sinners’ opened higher than initial estimates to lead North American box office on $48m
https://www.screendaily.com/news/sinners-opened-higher-than-initial-es
timates-to-lead-north-american-box-office-on-48m/5204082.article
Sinners put a stake through Minecraft's box office streak
https://www.avclub.com/weekend-box-office-sinners-a-minecraft-movie
how it all changes
Zelda speedrunner movie pulled from PBS will air on Twitch first
https://www.polygon.com/gaming/561806/pbs-zelda-speedrunner-film-twitc
h-premiere
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how it all changes
Zelda speedrunner movie pulled from PBS will air on Twitch first
https://www.polygon.com/gaming/561806/pbs-zelda-speedrunner-film-twitc
h-premiere
Wow. They actually still have gaming on Twitch? I thought it was just an e-whore website now.
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Clownfish TV just yesterday said there's no way that Minecraft isn't a Billion Dollar movie by now.
We'll see about that.
$716,524,380 worldwide after Weekend 3. 48% Domestic / 52% International.
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Minecraft I didn t not know how to predict this, I was thinking low first maybe 500 Million maybe much much lower but then its fanbase was coming out in support and I was thinking maybe 750-880 maybe I wasn't sure about the Billion but it opened really big near Mario levels, now its $722 so it will probably beat 750 soon
What it has going for it is its a young people's movie so they usually have staying power and it has a fanbase that buy to see it more than once again 'staying power'
however a lot of people say its cinematic garbage and Sinners already has it beaten, Thunderbolts, The Legend of Ochi should finish off a lot of its earning
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I don't believe we're going to see those two lines cross again...
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons/Minecraft-Movie-
A-(2025)/Super-Mario-Bros-Movie-The-(2022)#tab=day_by_day_comparison
3 days later...
It's had a fantastic hold. It grossed $6.5 Million on it's 3rd Thursday night, counting Preview Thursday. $6.5 Million is more than what all but the top performing movies of the last two years get on their own Preview Thursday.
Bruce is predicting only a -26% drop this weekend, which is the lowest prediction I've ever seen for a movie since I started paying attention.
Though that would keep the lines from separating any further this weekend, that's all it would do. Even at only a -26% drop, that would be $57 Million. The Super Mario Movie had a MUCH better 2nd weekend hold than Minecraft did, so even though it dropped -35% on weekend 3, it still made $59 Million.
-26% or better is nothing short of a miracle, in my opinion, so there's no way it's going to earn enough to bring the lines back together even though it's done amazing all week.
And the percentage of the Domestic/International will slightly improve twoard the international audience after they dump their weekly numbers on Sunday, it won't change it much from roughly 53% to maybe %50. Super Mario Bros had a 57.7% international haul. So if Minecraft is not doing as well in the US as Super Mario did, it's doing even worse internationally.
It's still nowhere near a $1 Billion movie, but everyone involved should be proud of what they did in this rough market.
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I'm not seeing the $1 Billion that ClownfishTV says...
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons/Minecraft-Movie-
A-(2025)/Super-Mario-Bros-Movie-The-(2022)#tab=day_by_day_comparison
With a 52%/48% Domestic/International ratio, it would need to make more than $500
Million in the US, and I see any reason to believe it's going to get there.
I keep reading everywhere about "how well it's holding on", but I think they're just so
used to flop after flop this point that they forget where the real benchmarks are supposed
to be.
Weekend Drops so far: -52%, -48%
Week Drops so far: -49%
These are healthy drops, but they're nothing special. They only look really good right
now because of the company they've shared since the beginning of the year.
If we continue on this -50% drop, it makes $20 Million next weekend, and $10 Million in
the US on Weekend 5. Yeah... We're already at that point in the run of this movie.
So... How do you get from $350 Million to $500 Million when we're already looking at a great
possibility of only banking $20 Million over next weekend? Especially when the $10 Million +
weekdays, even on Cheap Seat Tuesday are well behind them. We're looking at maybe
$3 Million per week day this week. That'll be $1.5 Million the following week, and then
under $1 Million per week day the week after.
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its been a good effort by a movie with mixed feedback, its certainly not beating The Super Mario Bros film.
Ryan Coogler Reacts to ‘Sinners’ Box Office Victory in Thank You Letter to Fans: ‘Your Response to the Film Has Re-Invigorated Me’
https://variety.com/2025/film/news/ryan-coogler-sinners-box-office-tha
nk-you-letter-1236375238/
‘Sinners’: How Ryan Coogler’s Period Vampire Pic Found Salvation at the Easter Box Office - The movie toppled 'A Minecraft Movie' in a surprise upset and much-needed win for Warner Bros. movie chiefs Michael De Luca and Pamela Abdy.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/sinners-box-office-michael-b-j
ordan/
Box Office: ‘Sinners’ Scores Second Best Monday For R-Rated Horror Movie At Box Office With $7.8M, Third Best Overall For A Horror Film
https://deadline.com/2025/04/box-office-sinners-monday-1236373779/
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probably only a matter of time before they try that Pokemon crap again
THIS anime franchise is world’s highest-grossing, three times of Marvel, its earning is Rs...., not One Piece, Demon Slayer
https://www.dnaindia.com/entertainment/report-this-anime-franchise-pok
-mon-is-world-s-highest-grossing-three-times-of-marvel-its-earning-is-rs-not-one-piece-dragon-ball-3145503
Their ratings and viewership still come at the top, however, the series that has beat even their popularity regarding viewership and revenues is Pokémon. It has been 29 years, and the Japanese franchise has earned a whopping USD 100 billion
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Box Office: ‘Sinners’ Scores Second Best Monday For R-Rated Horror Movie At Box Office With $7.8M, Third Best Overall For A Horror Film
https://deadline.com/2025/04/box-office-sinners-monday-1236373779/
Only if you're not counting inflation.
X-Men Origins Wolverine is in the Top 100 action movies of all time if you look at the box office and inflation isn't taken into account.
My guess is that this really is somewhere closer to the 100th best Monday for a horror film if inflation was considered.
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Minecraft is still making $2 Million + on your random week day this week, but Thursday's $2.05 Million was a -69% drop from the previous Thursday.
Bruce finally put the week 3 profits up, and they fell -48% from the previous week, after a -49% drop on the first week.
This is average blockbuster behavior. It only seems great now because there is no real competition to compare it to so far in 2025.
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-44% drop for the weekend. $22,720,000.
Worldwide Total after Weekend 4: $816,567,000
It wrapped up Weekend 3 with $695,526,515, or $121 Million for the week.
Let's be super conservative and say it only drops -40% week to week from here on out...
Weekend 5: $889 Million (+72 Million)
Weekend 6: $932 Million (+43 Million)
Weekend 7: $957 Million (+26 Million)
Weekend 8: $972 Million (+15 Million)
Weekend 9: $981 Million (+9 Million)
Weekend 10: $986 Million (+5 Million)
Weekend 11: $989 Million (+3 Million)
Weekend 12: $991 Million (+2 Million)
It gets close if we give it 3 full months and straight -40% drops from here on out.
But I don't see either of those scenarios playing out, let alone both of them.
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Damn. Looks like somebody might have finally made a good movie.
Weekend projections: Sinners heads into the stratosphere with $45-million second weekend
https://www.the-numbers.com/news/259210830-Weekend-projections-Sinners
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Sinners will decline just 6% from its opening weekend to earn $45 million, according to Warner Bros. Sunday-morning projection. Taking out the film’s $4.7 million in previews, it’s actually up from last weekend, with Saturday’s estimated gross, $18.8 million, 14% higher than last Saturday. That’s an off-the-charts crazy performance. And there’s more…
Sinners is headed to the third-best second-weekend ever for a movie that opened over $40 million
I had no idea until today that numbers like this were even possible for a movie.
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Haha! I knew they would do it and they didn't disappoint.
Tuesday's $43,887 domestic box office officially puts Snow White's worldwide gross at over $200 Million.
Do a google search for "snow white" and "milestone" and see how many articles with that headline popped up in the last 2 days.
The really funny thing about this one though is that even all the shill sites put "milestone" in their headline here, the second half of those headlines are all bad news. This movie did so bad that even the liars gave up trying to lie about it.
So... sadly, it did end up beating The Marvel's $199.7+ Million worldwide haul, but only in the eyes of fake journalists and people too dumb to do anything besides reading headlines.
Once you factor the inflation in, Snow White has no shot and grossing more than The Marvels did, even though that was only a couple years worth of inflation since The Marvels was released.
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-44% drop for the weekend. $22,720,000.
Worldwide Total after Weekend 4: $816,567,000
It wrapped up Weekend 3 with $695,526,515, or $121 Million for the week.
Let's be super conservative and say it only drops -40% week to week from here on out...
Weekend 5: $889 Million (+72 Million)
Weekend 6: $932 Million (+43 Million)
Weekend 7: $957 Million (+26 Million)
Weekend 8: $972 Million (+15 Million)
Weekend 9: $981 Million (+9 Million)
Weekend 10: $986 Million (+5 Million)
Weekend 11: $989 Million (+3 Million)
Weekend 12: $991 Million (+2 Million)
It gets close if we give it 3 full months and straight -40% drops from here on out.
But I don't see either of those scenarios playing out, let alone both of them.
Exactly a -40% drop from last weekend. (Bruce was predicting only -23%)
$873,409,000 Worldwide Gross after Weekend 5.
We saw -50% during the weekdays, and -80% on Monday from the week prior (the Monday after Easter weekend Monday). So this explains a good bit of the $15 Million shortfall from the number above, despite the perfect -40% weekend drop. The rest must be because it didn't make as much internationally at the same time.
So even with a great 5th weekend hold, it's going to be even more impossible for Minecraft to break a Billion.
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Yup... We're coming to the end of Minecraft making any real money for sure.
$637,302 on Monday, and the first sub-million day was actually Thursday of last week at just under 1 Million.
It's still got some life in it. Monday's number is still only a -38% drop from the previous Monday, so maybe it can manage to keep around only a -40% drop from here on out. We're just too far away from $1 Billion for it to matter now.
Nothing for WB to complain about though. Anything else they make is gravy as they broke even on this one a long time ago.
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Minecraft vs Sinners?...Warner Bros could have made more money if it were not in competition with itself
April, now May its very very late but Hollyweird movies are making money again or kind of...almost making money
Warner Bros.'s Sinners grossed an estimated $4.15M on Tuesday (from 3,347 locations). Estimated total domestic gross stands at $187.08M.
https://x.com/BORReport/status/1920152344609894656#m
James Gunn ‘Really Understood the Assignment’ With ‘Superman’ Relaunch and ‘New Version of DC,' WB Studio Heads Say
https://www.thewrap.com/pam-abdy-mike-de-luca-warner-bros-superman-jam
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Minecraft vs Sinners?...Warner Bros could have made more money if it were not in competition with itself
To be fair, I don't think anybody at WB was expecting either of these movies to come close to doing as well as they did. I couldn't blame them. Sinners has performed far better than any movie has since I started paying attention (not in total gross of course, but the weekend drops). There's not even a close runner-up.
There may have been some who were praying for a Billion on Minecraft, but I don't think anybody really expected this kind of result, especially with how soft the box office has regularly become. I only gave it $650 Million worldwide on my top-end.
And I don't REALLY think there's much overlap with these two movies, even though they're in the theater at the same time. Most of the people who would see Minecraft twice, or who haven't seen it once yet are probably too young to be let in to see Sinners even with an adult.
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April, now May its very very late but Hollyweird movies are making money again or kind of...almost making money
Two years in a row now... it's starting to solidify a trend. I wonder if 2026 is going to bring a 3rd year where they don't really make money until late-April/early-May.
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Warner Bros.'s Sinners grossed an estimated $4.15M on Tuesday (from 3,347 locations). Estimated total domestic gross stands at $187.08M.
https://x.com/BORReport/status/1920152344609894656#m
Weekend drops so far are -5% and -28%. If you remove Preview Thursday from the first weekend (which you should), Sinners actually made 5.5% more on Weekend 2 than it did on Opening Weekend in the US.
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James Gunn ‘Really Understood the Assignment’ With ‘Superman’ Relaunch and ‘New Version of DC,' WB Studio Heads Say
https://www.thewrap.com/pam-abdy-mike-de-luca-warner-bros-superman-jam
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We'll see about that soon.
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‘Thunderbolts*’ Striking $35M 2nd Weekend; ‘Sinners’ Strong $20M For 4th Frame – Box Office Update
https://deadline.com/2025/05/box-office-thunderbolts-sinners-minecraft
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Warner Bros.'s Sinners has passed the $200M global mark.
https://forums.boxofficetheory.com/topic/32981-sinners/
Thunderbolts* (2025) vs. Joker: Folie à Deux (2024) vs. A Minecraft Movie (2025)
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons-extended/Thunder
bolts-(2025)/Joker-Folie-a-Deux-(2024)/Minecraft-Movie-A-(2025)#tab=day_by_day_comparison
The Fantastic Four Reshoots
https://www.slashfilm.com/1855649/the-fantastic-four-first-steps-resho
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Sony's Until Dawn grossed an estimated $325K on Thursday (from 3,055 locations). Estimated total domestic gross stands at $16.02M.
https://x.com/BORReport/status/1920870227325124973
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‘Thunderbolts*’ Striking $35M 2nd Weekend; ‘Sinners’ Strong $20M For 4th Frame – Box Office Update
https://deadline.com/2025/05/box-office-thunderbolts-sinners-minecraft
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Thunderbolts will not be breaking even.
It needs $470 Million global. Including the $9 Million projected for Friday night, it's only got $190.5. That will be around $220 Million after the full weekend gross.
Not sure how they've been counting international money, or even what the opening weekend split look like, so I have no idea what the international boost is going to be this weekend. At first glance, it looks like Thunderbolts may be doing significantly better outside of the US than inside, so maybe there's still a chance. I'd have to see how much above $86 Million we get on the international take for Weekend 2. If Bruce has already been adding internationals for the week for that number, they're in real trouble again here.
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Will Hollywood finally die in 2025, Trump however is doing his best to save it
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It needs $470 Million global.
the Mouse will claim some nonsense just like WB / DC does
its Disney Marvel, they will claim they sold 100 Million on T-shirts, plastic toys, caps, phone apps, DVDs, then they will claim they are making more millions on board games or streamer downloads or something
https://www.marvel.com/games/marvel-vs-capcom-fighting-collection-arca
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It needs $470 Million global.
the Mouse will claim some nonsense just like WB / DC does
its Disney Marvel, they will claim they sold 100 Million on T-shirts, plastic toys, caps, phone apps, DVDs, then they will claim they are making more millions on board games or streamer downloads or something
https://www.marvel.com/games/marvel-vs-capcom-fighting-collection-arca
de-classics
Unfortunately for them, they don't get to do that forever. They don't have access to the money printing presses our government has, and they've done so much self-inflicted brand damage over the last decade at this point that they already lost all of their own money printers that they had spent 90 years building before new "leadership" came in with the DEI HR team and they decided to blow them all up.
Outside of parks, they are losing money in every aspect of their business from merchandising to movies to streaming. And not insignificant amounts either. They bought Star Wars for $4 Billion and ruined it (along with what should have been the far more lucrative merchandising that was also killed by Disney). They ruined Indiana Jones. They flushed Marvel down the drain. They even found the time and a few hundred million to shit on the legacy of Willow while they were at it for good measure.
Let's not forget also that they lost their sweetheart multi-generational favored tax status in Florida because they took a stand on a tranny issue. A tranny issue they didn't even really support because they took all of their Lefty agenda out of the flicks before they were released in countries like China and those in the Middle East.
And it now costs a Family of four $1,400 PER DAY on average to go to a Disney park in America. My old man used to take his family every year for 10 days and it cost him $2,000 with the airfare included. Though inflation plays a part in this, this is not an inflationary problem. Price increases like that in such a short amount of time are only seen in the Healthcare industry.
Fights break out in the parks all the time. They have men dressed up as princesses talking to your kids (although they probably silently stopped doing that a few months ago, I would have to assume). The quality of the experience has gone down the tubes and the magic is gone.
And now they also have Universal Parks teamed up with Nintendo to do battle against, which is a war I don't think they could ever win among the children today.
So where are they going to keep finding this magical money to keep lying to their shareholders? The reserves are basically tapped at this point.
I don't think you'd see the Disney CFO coming out and blowing Trump this week if that wasn't the truth.
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Facing a 'Cinematic Extinction Event,' Hollywood Must Stage a Comeback
https://www.thewrap.com/hollywood-stage-a-comeback-trump-tariffs-richa
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Weekend Box Office Est. - New Zealand
https://x.com/numeroboxoffice/status/1921734576566923516
1. Thunderbolts* - $474k
2. SinnersMovie - $205k
3. TinaTheFilm - $142k
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Awwwwwww....
The shitlib media missed out on a huge story opportunity here about Snow White's big comeback!
Did you check the weekend numbers out?
It had a 54% increase over last weekend! That's way bigger than Sinner's second week gain!
Yeah... It only grossed $335k for the weekend, but who's counting.
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5 Reasons Why Thunderbolts' Box Office Is A Step In The Right Direction For Marvel
https://www.slashfilm.com/1857753/thunderbolts-box-office-marvel-win-r
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Bollywood fears huge impact of Trump’s tariffs on foreign films
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/trump-tari
ffs-foreign-films-bollywood-india-box-office-b2750592.html
US president wants to impose 100 per cent levy on all films made outside US
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Trade Wars with China, not yet says Chinese Man...still open for business
Paramount’s ‘Mission: Impossible’ Secures China Release Date
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-16/paramount-s-mission
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The Final Destination movie will make money but it cost WAY too much to make at $50 Million, which is what I'm seeing it cost online right now (no official numbers from Bruce).
Bruce does say this in his article:
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The popular franchise has acquired well over $263 million from domestic box office and nearly $658 million from global viewings from five previous installments dating back to 2000.
It took you 5 movies to make $263 Million in the US and $658 Million worldwide.
Granted, the 4th one appears to have been straight to DVD and the last one came out in 2011, so there's a lot of inflation to calculate in. But without calculating for inflation you just spent more than the average US box office for these movies to make this one.
TITLE / US BOX OFFICE / WORLDWIDE BOX OFFICE
Final Destination / $53,302,314 / $112,036,870
Final Destination 2 / $46,896,664 / $90,396,664
Final Destination 3 / $54,098,051 / $112,798,051
Final Destination 5 / $42,587,643 / $155,011,165
Also, without inflation factored in, only one movie on that list would have made enough money to break even with a $50 Million budget.
With everyone in desperate need to bring their budgets WAY down, horror movies should not be making it a trend to race toward $100 Million production budgets. This is the second horror movie in a month now that we've seen with at least a $50 Million budget. Sinners cost $90 Million.
They'll both make money, though FD will come nowhere near as successful as Sinners was with their budget.
Most horror movies with budgets like these are going to fail.
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mixed, some love it and some hate it while some say its ok
mostly positive
‘The Legend of Ochi’: When lore becomes a bore
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/04/23/arts/legend-of-ochi-willem-dafo
e/
‘The Legend of Ochi’ Review: The Great, Familiar Adventure
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/17/movies/the-legend-of-ochi-review.ht
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Movie Review: A24’s ‘Legend of Ochi’ breaks ground, but narrative lacks strength
https://timesofsandiego.com/arts/2025/05/03/legend-of-ochi-breaks-grou
nd-narrative-lacks-strength/
While the baby Ochi is something of a Grogu-Gizmo hybrid, the use of puppetry and animatronics gives it an idiosyncratic scruffiness. It feels as if you’re encountering a new species, not watching a digitized fantasy film.
https://larsenonfilm.com/the-legend-of-ochi
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Covid delays and Actors strikes and AI writer strike delays continue
‘Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem 2’ Delayed a Year to Sept 2027, 'The Legend of Aang The Last Airbender' to Oct 2026
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/teenage-mutant-nin
ja-turtles-mutant-mayhem-2-delays-release-1236219433/
Kristen Stewart’s ‘The Chronology Of Water’ Flows To 6½-Minute Ovation After Cannes Premiere
https://deadline.com/2025/05/kristen-stewart-chronology-of-water-ovati
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Covid delays and Actors strikes and AI writer strike delays continue
‘Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem 2’ Delayed a Year to Sept 2027, 'The Legend of Aang The Last Airbender' to Oct 2026
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/teenage-mutant-nin
ja-turtles-mutant-mayhem-2-delays-release-1236219433/
Kristen Stewart’s ‘The Chronology Of Water’ Flows To 6½-Minute Ovation After Cannes Premiere
https://deadline.com/2025/05/kristen-stewart-chronology-of-water-ovati
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A 6.5 minute standing ovation from the piss drinkers and fart smellers in Hollywood must mean this is just completely unwatchable and possibly even toxic for human beings.
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Thunderbolts still strong but the movie business aint what it used to be, Final Destination Bloodlines expected to have a big weeked
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Thunderbolts still strong but the movie business aint what it used to be, Final Destination Bloodlines expected to have a big weeked
Made it's production budget back from the US Box office alone on opening weekend.
Easily makes money, but we already knew that it was going to despite the high budget.
Although, it wasn't a Bloomhouse or A24 joint and this may have gotten some real heavy marketing compared to what they would have gotten. Still have to give this one the 2.5x treatment because it's WB.
$125 Million to break even.
Internationally it did just a little better so we're already at $105 Million worldwide. Easy peasy.
Still though. $50 Million is a big gamble on a horror flick in 2025. I'm glad it worked out for them this time, but it might not next time.
Anybody remember 2023's The Last Voyage of the Demeter? No?
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Last-Voyage-of-the-Demeter-The#tab=s
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$45 Million budget in 2023 adjusted for inflation at $47,376,700 today.
Grossed $13.6 Million in the US and bowed out with a worldwide total of $20.4 Million, with a little over $2 Million in DVD/BluRay sales since then.
Glad to see physical media making a small comeback, btw...
Demeter's budget was nearly $3 Million less than Final Destination Bloodlines', but it lost Universal somewhere in the area of $100 Million and ended up one of their rare flops in an otherwise stellar year.
Though the loss here was probably quite a bit less than that because I think Universal knew they had a big flop on their hands and didn't put any marketing budget into Demeter.
... Plus, when a movie makes that little, it ends up being the movie theaters themselves that end up eating a lot of that pain too. They'd be splitting that $20 Million roughly 50/50, so if Universal didn't dump any money into marketing, their actual losses on this were probably only around $30 Million. And with how much money Universal raked in during 2023 while just destroying everyone else that year, that $30 Million loss probably ended up becoming a wash somewhere with tax write-offs or whatever tricks their accountant teams use to maximize profits.
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Mission: Impossible — The Final Reckoning (2025)
Production Budget: $400,000,000 (worldwide box office is 0.0 times production budget)
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Mission-Impossible-The-Final-Reckoni
ng-(2025)#tab=summary
Download a free copy using this bittorrent link:
716501AC602B6FFF6441080773D93A4EBCFD3584
Mission: Impossible - The Final Reckoning (2025) 1080p HDTS HEVC x265 AAC 2.0 – OneHack
https://x1337x.cc/torrent/6404995/Mission-Impossible-The-Final-Reckoni
ng-2025-1080p-HDTS-HEVC-x265-AAC-2-0-OneHack/ <-- without the final “/” there will be a 404 Not Found error.
Most expensive films adjusted for inflation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_films#Most_expens
ive_films_(adjusted_for_inflation)
Quote:https://www.boston.com/culture/movie-reviews/2025/05/14/mission-imposs
Tom Cruise has made it his life’s work to save the theatrical movie. He has faced down the pandemic, thrown himself off a cliff, and materialized from on high to show us that the righteous path leads to the multiplex.
With “Mission: Impossible — The Final Reckoning,” we have reached the apotheosis of Cruise’s Christ-like journey; nearly three hours of mythmaking and self-aggrandizement make abundantly clear that Ethan Hunt is no longer just a hypercompetent spy — he is literally Cinema Jesus.
ible-8-final-reckoning-review/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Mission: Impossible — The Final Reckoning (2025)
Production Budget: $400,000,000 (worldwide box office is 0.0 times production budget)
Nothing you pirates do is going to hurt Paramount anywhere near as much as they did when they greenlit this thing.
A few years ago, after it was very apparent that Part 1 was going to be a MAJOR money loss for Paramount, I said several times "let's wait and see what the budget for Part II is. Maybe they front-loaded all these costs for tax purposes or something and we'll find out Part one cost a legal consideration of $1 or something, and I laughed at how crazy that would fuck up the movie stats and records from then on if they did something like that.
They spent another $400 Million on part 2. SMH...
New Prediction: This movie, the last of a beloved franchise which to my knowledge never went woke but was just put in the the hands of increasingly less competent DEI departments running Paramount into the ground, will be the final nail in the coffin for Paramount.
Paramount will be sold for scrap parts after their next quarterly earnings call.
They do not have the money to weather this loss at this time.
It's going to sound pretty weird in 2055 when 30 somethings who aren't even born yet make Youtube videos talking about the fall of various media companies during and after the death of the Democratic Party, and the Tom Cruse movie is going to be blamed for the end of Paramount like the video game E.T. is singularly blamed for the fall of Atari by many today even though that's not true either.
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Quote:Paramount and Skydance (its logo is on Mission Impossible) are play toys for the multi-billionaire family of Larry Ellison. If it shrivels up and dies, that is good.
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. . . the Tom Cruse movie is going to be blamed for the end of Paramount like the video game E.T. is singularly blamed for the fall of Atari by many today even though that's not true either.
Paramount and Skydance merge, signaling the end of the Redstone family reign in Hollywood and the rise of a new power - July 8, 2024
https://apnews.com/article/paramount-skydance-redstone-entertainment-m
erger-8ba177aebe4ec6c3152e5b8ef82a72e0
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
. . . the Tom Cruse movie is going to be blamed for the end of Paramount like the video game E.T. is singularly blamed for the fall of Atari by many today even though that's not true either.
Paramount and Skydance merge, signaling the end of the Redstone family reign in Hollywood and the rise of a new power - July 8, 2024
https://apnews.com/article/paramount-skydance-redstone-entertainment-m
erger-8ba177aebe4ec6c3152e5b8ef82a72e0
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
You won't ever see me shedding any tears when billionaires lose money.
On this one thing I think we can find common ground.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Paramount and Skydance (its logo is on Mission Impossible) are play toys for the multi-billionaire family of Larry Ellison. If it shrivels up and dies, that is good.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
. . . the Tom Cruse movie is going to be blamed for the end of Paramount like the video game E.T. is singularly blamed for the fall of Atari by many today even though that's not true either.
Paramount and Skydance merge, signaling the end of the Redstone family reign in Hollywood and the rise of a new power - July 8, 2024
https://apnews.com/article/paramount-skydance-redstone-entertainment-m
erger-8ba177aebe4ec6c3152e5b8ef82a72e0
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
You won't ever see me shedding any tears when billionaires lose money.
On this one thing I think we can find common ground.
We can argue all we want about politics man, but we've been fucked six ways from Sunday by all of them our whole lives.
It's just a shame that nobody in our government ever bothered to step up and make sure that all that corporate gobbling up of everything else never took place. It really has ruined everything over time.
Maybe all of what we're seeing right now is the phoenix burning up and maybe we'll see some good things rise from the ashes.
Capitalism is great when there's undiscovered country and the people with the money needed the people with the muscle to get the jobs done. I'd imagine it was a lot better when there were less than 1 Billion people on the planet too.
But once you get to that point past where we're all consumers and we've become the product, it's not all that it was cracked up to be anymore.
Have you ever thought about the implications of the Covid timeline? Where within the "greatest country on the planet" we were able to wipe out more than 20% of the jobs by calling them non-essential with the snap of a finger and nothing actually broke that mattered when we did it outside of some empty shelves and a lack of toilet paper for a few weeks? I'm putting aside of how much all of that fucked up eveyrone in the head and I'm just talking about from a logistical standpoint.
After a few bad months and some real unease that felt worse than reality actually was in the beginning, that all sort of leveled out at one point. I mean, the only reason that there was never pure bedlam and people shooting each other for food was because we dumped trillions and trillions into the economy to keep it afloat... but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm just saying that once some initial hiccups were ironed out, people stopped panic buying and the scalpers stopped being able to sell toilet paper for $5 per roll on ebay, things just worked again even though tens of millions of people who were working 2 months ago were no longer doing anything other than consuming.
Considering how huge and immediate of a cultural shift all of that was, it all went rather smoothly when looking at it through 20/20 hindsight and you're not living through the non-stop daily barrage of news coverage always telling you that the sky is falling and life as you know it is about to end tomorrow.
There's already a lot more than 20% of adults in the country that don't work even when you don't count seniors. Then you can Thanos snap away 20%-25% more of those people's jobs and nobody who was still working really noticed it all that much. Maybe a certain product you wanted wasn't available, even by any other brand, but it's not as if anybody was close to actual food shortages and grocery stores didn't have any food. I remember not being able to buy milk for a few weeks until I found the one place who had the lockdown on the local milk that wasn't effected by larger level shipping problems th
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Quote:In the latest Mission: Impossible, The Powers That Be was called "The Entity" and the mission was to kill it before it killed 25% or more of America's population. America has had a mission like that in the past. The Japs and Germans were killing 25% or more of the population of countries they invaded and Americans took on the mission to kill Japs and Germans. The result was an economic boom to replace the lingering Great Depression. 6ix, there are numerous real-life Missions: Impossible, if you choose to accept them. Besides saving a billion lives, there would be an economic boom in America from the work needed to save those lives. Here is one mission from today: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/may/20/sea-level-rise-mig
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
What is the word for "The Powers That Be decide that now is the time to let all of us know that 25% of us are no longer necessary and that we're no longer necessary?"
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Originally posted by second:Quote:In the latest Mission: Impossible, The Powers That Be was called "The Entity" and the mission was to kill it before it killed 25% or more of America's population. America has had a mission like that in the past. The Japs and Germans were killing 25% or more of the population of countries they invaded and Americans took on the mission to kill Japs and Germans. The result was an economic boom to replace the lingering Great Depression. 6ix, there are numerous real-life Missions: Impossible, if you choose to accept them. Besides saving a billion lives, there would be an economic boom in America from the work needed to save those lives. Here is one mission from today: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/may/20/sea-level-rise-mig
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
What is the word for "The Powers That Be decide that now is the time to let all of us know that 25% of us are no longer necessary and that we're no longer necessary?"
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Okay. I see you're not interested in an actual conversation.
That's not a mission.
That's just a future problem that nobody in the Democratic Party has ever offered any legitimate and cost-effective means of combating.
And it's one of the reasons that the Democratic Party is dead and they will never make a comeback. They can't lie about fixing the environment anymore either because nobody is buying it anymore when they say they will.
Everything your party relied on to win votes doesn't work anymore.
If you have something serious to propose, I'd suggest you write to your congressman and give them the ideas because your dead party can't come up with shit on their own.
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Thunderbolts still strong but the movie business aint what it used to be, Final Destination Bloodlines expected to have a big weeked
Made it's production budget back from the US Box office alone on opening weekend.
Easily makes money, but we already knew that it was going to despite the high budget.
Although, it wasn't a Bloomhouse or A24 joint and this may have gotten some real heavy marketing compared to what they would have gotten. Still have to give this one the 2.5x treatment because it's WB.
$125 Million to break even.
Internationally it did just a little better so we're already at $105 Million worldwide. Easy peasy.
Still though. $50 Million is a big gamble on a horror flick in 2025. I'm glad it worked out for them this time, but it might not next time.
Anybody remember 2023's The Last Voyage of the Demeter? No?
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Last-Voyage-of-the-Demeter-The#tab=s
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$45 Million budget in 2023 adjusted for inflation at $47,376,700 today.
Grossed $13.6 Million in the US and bowed out with a worldwide total of $20.4 Million, with a little over $2 Million in DVD/BluRay sales since then.
Glad to see physical media making a small comeback, btw...
Demeter's budget was nearly $3 Million less than Final Destination Bloodlines', but it lost Universal somewhere in the area of $100 Million and ended up one of their rare flops in an otherwise stellar year.
Though the loss here was probably quite a bit less than that because I think Universal knew they had a big flop on their hands and didn't put any marketing budget into Demeter.
... Plus, when a movie makes that little, it ends up being the movie theaters themselves that end up eating a lot of that pain too. They'd be splitting that $20 Million roughly 50/50, so if Universal didn't dump any money into marketing, their actual losses on this were probably only around $30 Million. And with how much money Universal raked in during 2023 while just destroying everyone else that year, that $30 Million loss probably ended up becoming a wash somewhere with tax write-offs or whatever tricks their accountant teams use to maximize profits.
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Wow... Bruce did something I've never seen him do before and actually cite inflation in a comparison when showing that it beat 2009's release after inflation was calculated in.
https://www.the-numbers.com/news/259350830-Weekend-projections-Bloodli
nes-lands-with-excellent-51-million-debut
His assessment from there more or less mirrors my own, most of which I already stated above...
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Final Destination is highly unlikely to have a second weekend anything like Sinners did, but our model is predicting its final box office at a little over $150 million right now. With another $51 million from international territories this weekend, the film should end with something around $300 million in total worldwide, making it highly profitable, based on an estimated $50-million production budget (and maybe the same again to market).
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Wes Anderson Mocks Trump’s Movie Tariffs at Cannes: ‘Can You Hold Up the Movie in Customs? It Doesn’t Ship That Way’
https://variety.com/2025/film/festivals/wes-anderson-mocks-trumps-movi
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a Holiday period, Vacation Weekend...Halloween is kind of a vacation worldwide, the big one is the USA, next market China, followed by European film industry a mix of French, British, Italy, Germany, Spain etc some East European still have vacation around the Soviet May Day period but changed to a folk festival or 'National Day'
Aus kind of does its own thing at times have summer while everyone else has a winter
in the USA
Memorial Day May 25–31, floating Monday
Independence Day 4th day of July
Labor Day September 1–7, floating Monday
Thanksgiving Day November 22–28 ...some form of Thursday
China has somewhat unofficial holiday vacation festival days, the Dragon Boat Festival, the Mid-Autumn Festival, and National Day.
31st day of May Dragon Boat Festival
1st of October National Day
Jun. 6th of October Mid-Autumn Day
some old Chinese Festivals are based on old Chinese Calendars and Lunar cycles like Western religion festivals
Jurassic World Rebirth
Disney and
Need something to keep China out of the animation Oscars?
Zootopia part 1 Budget $150 million Box office $1.025 billion
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Please stop with the Jurassic Park movies. Please.
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Bruce's article for the weekend said this...
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Bloodlines’ opening is the third hit in a row for Warner Bros., following A Minecraft Movie and Sinners, and the studio now leads Disney by over $100 million in what is essentially a two-horse race (so far) for top-earning studio in 2025.
Well that's not the whole story now, is it Bruce?
First of all, we don't count previous year releases anywhere else, so we're going to take those off both lists. That means buh-bye right away to Moana 2 and Mufasa. This doesn't amount to much... Around $130 Million in 2025 profits for Disney on the tail-end of 2 movies that grossed over $1.7 Billion in 2024, but I'm not going to allow Bruce to add that in unless I'm also adding in the production budgets too. And as you'll see below, that $130 Million isn't helping Disney out of their 2025 mess anyhow...
Disney 2025 releases:
1 Captain America: Brave New World
2 Thunderbolts*
3 Disney’s Snow White
WB 2025 releases:
1 A Minecraft Movie
2 Sinners
3 Final Destination: Bloodlines
4 Mickey 17
5 Companion
6 The Alto Knights
Production budgets:
Disney:
1 Captain America: Brave New World - $180 Million
2 Thunderbolts* - $180 Million
3 Disney’s Snow White - $269.4 Millon
TOTAL Disney 2025 Release Budgets Combined: $629.4 Million
WB:
1 A Minecraft Movie - $150 Million
2 Sinners - $90 Million
3 Final Destination: Bloodlines - $50 Million
4 Mickey 17 - $118 Million
5 Companion - $10 Million
6 The Alto Knights - $45 Million
TOTAL WB 2025 Release Budget Combined: $463 Million
World Wide Gross per 2025 release:
Disney:
1 Captain America: Brave New World - $415 Million
2 Thunderbolts* - $330 Million
3 Disney’s Snow White - $204 Million
TOTAL Disney 2025 Worldwide Box Office: $949 Million
WB:
1 A Minecraft Movie - $931 Million
2 Sinners - $321 Million
3 Final Destination: Bloodlines - $117 Million
4 Mickey 17 - $127 Million
5 Companion - $37 Million
6 The Alto Knights - $10 Million
TOTAL WB 2025 Worldwide Box Office: $1.543 BILLION
What do we know so far...?
1. For WB, Minecraft alone has made almost as much as all 3 major 2025 Disney releases combined.
2. At $463 Million in combined budgets, WB needed $1.158 Billion to break even.
3. Currently, WB has grossed $1.543 Billion worldwide and is sitting on a 2025 profit of nearly $400 Million.
4. At $629.4 Million in combined production budgets, Disney needs $1.574 Billion in worldwide grosses to break even.
5. Currently, Disney has grossed $949 Million and is nearly $550 Million short of breaking even.
6. Out of all of the above movies still in theaters, WB has the only few that are still going to add anything significant to either of those totals.
Disney better hope that the Lilo and Stitch movie makes that $1 Billion dollar mark people are saying it will. It's going to need that just to pay for the other 3 flops and there won't be any profit.
There ain't no race here, Bruce. WB is almost $1 Billion ahead of Disney so far this year once you balance the other side of the ledger that you didn't even mention in your article.
Get your tongue out of Bob Iger's asshole.
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the scene has changed
now its Sonic, Mario, that Oppenheimer, Japan anime, new Godzillia, South Korea tv, the Chinese animation thing, Minecraft and Barbie
Tv/Streaming...when some must watch episode thing comes out....how much does Walking Dead, Simpsons or Boardwalk Empire or Yellow Stone or Superbowl or Grey’s Anatomy or Soccer the FIFA World Cup or the fight between Mike Tyson and Buster Douglas or Vampire Diaries or Dallas or Game of Thrones cost the box office?
...I know tv audiences are different
and sometimes tv might help a brand
but don't they also compete with each other?
since the days of HBO and other studios doing big product shows it was decided people might stay at home
Apple TV+ miniseries Hawaiians vs other Hawaiians
and instead of going to movies will they stay home and watch SKorea tv for example?
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Quote:The “Final” Mission: Impossible Movie May Mark the End of More Than Just the Franchise
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Okay. I see you're not interested in an actual conversation.
That's not a mission.
That's just a future problem that nobody in the Democratic Party has ever offered any legitimate and cost-effective means of combating.
And it's one of the reasons that the Democratic Party is dead and they will never make a comeback. They can't lie about fixing the environment anymore either because nobody is buying it anymore when they say they will.
Everything your party relied on to win votes doesn't work anymore.
If you have something serious to propose, I'd suggest you write to your congressman and give them the ideas because your dead party can't come up with shit on their own.
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This old-fashioned blockbuster could be the last of its kind, whether or not you “choose to accept it.”
By Dana Stevens | May 22, 2025 5:40 AM
https://slate.com/culture/2025/05/mission-impossible-final-reckoning-t
om-cruise-movie-8-review.html
When the first Mission: Impossible movie was released in 1996, it had been 30 years since the espionage series by that name debuted on American television.
. . . the quaint old-Hollywood precept that when audiences keep returning to a series, it’s not for the brand name but for the star. It’s impossible to imagine this cheerfully ludicrous franchise holding together, to whatever extent it does, without Cruise at its center. His scary degree of commitment—the same quality that makes his off-screen persona so peculiar and at times off-putting—has become the most unifying through line of the M:I films. Is he, at long last, getting too old for this shit? That question is brought up by several characters over the course of The Final Reckoning . . .
Whatever the much-repeated words Tom Cruise does his own stunts mean exactly—and they often mean more than you might think—sequences like the biplane battle are testimonials to the power of analog filmmaking when it comes to engaging an audience in the stakes of a story. Cruise really is out there, clinging to the side of that plane as it swoops and dips over a non-green-screen landscape of cliffs and canyons. A real thing is happening in a real place; real risks have been taken, real craft and skill deployed, and a gobsmacking quantity of real money spent, in order to accomplish the oddly humble goal of entertaining an audience. If you’ve never seen a Mission: Impossible movie, Final Reckoning will not be the one to win you over to the franchise’s loopy appeal: It’s too long, too self-referential, too dependent on the viewer’s affection for characters who were better developed in earlier installments. But whether or not this one is really the last in the series (and in interviews, Cruise and McQuarrie have been equivocal on that subject), Final Reckoning is a noble exemplar of a dying breed: the big, dumb, fun action blockbuster with a bona fide movie star at its center, putting it all on the line—and hanging on for dear life—just to keep us at the edge of our theater seats.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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They forgot to mention, of course, that this one is going to end Paramount.
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Uggh... I forgot the Lilo and Stitch movie is going to be another live action remake.
That's going to make a Billion?
Do better people. Don't pay for that.
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Why We're Stuck In An Endless Hell of Live Action Remakes
https://www.decodingeverything.com/p/brief-history-of-live-action-rema
kes-dragons-lion-king-beauty-and-the-beast
The answer is you.
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The quality of movies did not cause reduced ticket sales.
The real cause? Roku is slowly murdering the habit of attending movie theaters
05-22-2025
Roku is still riding the streaming wave. The company ended 2024 with 89.8 million streaming households, an increase of 9.8 million year over year. In the first quarter of 2025, it streamed 35.8 billion hours of video, up 5.1 billion year over year—and more than 10 times what it was doing per quarter when it went public in 2017.
https://www.fastcompany.com/91324863/roku-anthony-wood-2025
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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You were warned to stay away from screens, both movie and TV:
The Incredibles 2’s Screenslaver: the most controversial film villain ever?
The evils of screens and high-tech mind control are fought off in Pixar’s latest. But the rest of cinema doesn’t want to know
By Steve Rose | Mon 2 Jul 2018
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jul/02/the-incredibles-2s-screen
slaver-the-most-controversial-film-villain-ever
The Incredibles were pretty much the only superheroes in town when they arrived in 2004, but so much has happened since – such as Marvel taking over the box office – they are in danger of being left behind and crowded out on their return. But, actually, The Incredibles 2 takes one audacious move that makes the entire superhero genre look old-fashioned.
The villain of the piece is a mysterious entity known as the Screenslaver, who hypnotises people and controls their minds through TV screens. In a monologue, the Screenslaver rails against the very passivity Incredibles 2 is catering to: “Superheroes are part of your brainless desire to replace true experience with simulation … Every meaningful experience must be packaged and delivered to you to watch at a distance so that you can remain ever sheltered, ever ravenous consumers.” Whoa there! This is a dangerously valid point. Quick! Get to a fight scene!
Quite understandably, the evils of screened entertainment are somewhere that screened entertainment itself rarely wants to go. It’s a blind spot, and for the sake of its survival, it needs to be ours, too. You might occasionally get a media-mogul Bond villain like Jonathan Pryce in Tomorrow Never Dies. At best you’ll get a dystopian reality show such as The Running Man or The Truman Show. Or maybe an inane TV show-within-the-show, as with The Lego Movie’s Honey, Where Are My Pants? or Idiocracy’s Ow My Balls! to be lapped up by a subdued populace. More explicit warnings against the screen are usually confined to horror: the spirits who enter through TV white noise in Poltergeist; the demonic video cassette of Ring; or A Clockwork Orange’s eyelid-clamping Ludovico Technique.
Going further than any of those was David Cronenberg’s Videodrome (1983). Cronenberg, a former student of Marshall McLuhan, lays out a landscape of race-to-the-bottom ratings chasing; mass media literally warping perceptions of reality; and, behind it all, a conspiracy to brainwash audiences with a TV-transmitted virus that’s not far off the Incredibles’ Screenslaver.
“The battle for the mind of North America will be fought in the video arena,” says Videodrome’s media messiah Brian O’Blivion. If that is the case, we haven’t caught up. Time and again our screen heroes confront evil on a physical battlefield, with weaponry and superpowers. Even The Incredibles 2 resolves its media crisis with an action climax. But, in the present world, our threats are increasingly immaterial: fake news, social media propaganda, trolls, hacking, viruses and a US president whose worldview is shaped by Fox News – his own Screenslaver.
If weapons are really useless against this, don’t expect the movies to break it to you.
The Incredibles 2 is in UK cinemas on 13 July
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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The quality of movies did not cause reduced ticket sales.
The real cause? Roku is slowly murdering the habit of attending movie theaters
05-22-2025
Roku is still riding the streaming wave. The company ended 2024 with 89.8 million streaming households, an increase of 9.8 million year over year. In the first quarter of 2025, it streamed 35.8 billion hours of video, up 5.1 billion year over year—and more than 10 times what it was doing per quarter when it went public in 2017.
https://www.fastcompany.com/91324863/roku-anthony-wood-2025
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
This is having a much larger negative impact on traditional cable TV than it ever will have on movie theaters.
People aren't going to see movies because there's still a glut of half-assed DEI projects that were too far completed to outright cancel, there's a shortage of movies in general still because of the actor/writer's strikes and because all the venture capital dried up and they used that opportunity to slash more than half of the movies and shows they were planning on making. Which is why you never saw a cartoon for My Racist Baby and you haven't heard a word out of race grifter Kendi for years now.
And Joe Biden*'s economy made going to the theaters cost so much that people are making real decisions about which movies they can afford to see in a theater right now.
Hollywood only continues its downward slide for one or both of 2 reasons.
1. They continue the woke DEI shit that nobody wants to pay to see.
2. The economy continues to tumble.
At least right now, it doesn't look like either of those things are going to happen.
And, other than just giving up and dying, with nowhere really left to go but up, Hollywood should start posting some improvements over the coming years.
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Quote:6ixStringJack, you are full of shit. Barry Diller, famous at Paramount, exited the movie business. He knows why the business is dying and there is nothing about politics. It is all about the personalities running Hollywood. Actually, it is a LACK of personality. The new owners have none. They are human zeros and their taste in entertainment is execrable/excretion/putrid. So the human zeros end up dumping the product on streaming a couple of weeks after it premieres in the movie theaters. The dumping is killing movie ticket sales.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
This is having a much larger negative impact on traditional cable TV than it ever will have on movie theaters.
People aren't going to see movies because there's still a glut of half-assed DEI projects that were too far completed to outright cancel, there's a shortage of movies in general still because of the actor/writer's strikes and because all the venture capital dried up and they used that opportunity to slash more than half of the movies and shows they were planning on making. Which is why you never saw a cartoon for My Racist Baby and you haven't heard a word out of race grifter Kendi for years now.
And Joe Biden*'s economy made going to the theaters cost so much that people are making real decisions about which movies they can afford to see in a theater right now.
Hollywood only continues its downward slide for one or both of 2 reasons.
1. They continue the woke DEI shit that nobody wants to pay to see.
2. The economy continues to tumble.
At least right now, it doesn't look like either of those things are going to happen.
And, other than just giving up and dying, with nowhere really left to go but up, Hollywood should start posting some improvements over the coming years.
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Diller Speaks: Hollywood’s Most Fearsome Legend Bares His Soul
By Maer Roshan | May 21, 2025
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/barry-diller-
interview-hollywood-legacy-memoir-who-knew-1236222652/
Your book captures a version of Hollywood that’s almost mythic now. You write about these operatic, over-the-top characters — Robert Evans, Marvin Davis — who make their modern equivalents seem anemic. Do you feel nostalgic for that time?
It certainly was a time of more flamboyance. The business required big personalities, extremes, people who operated without restraint. That used to be the fun — and the engine — of the entertainment business. Now it’s different. Everyone is more cautious and conformist now. Worried about being canceled or sued. The rough edges have been sanded off. We’ve gone from a town to a spreadsheet. And obviously that can’t help but impact the creative output as well.
You mean because Hollywood is now run by tech companies?
That’s part of it. Netflix, Amazon, Apple — they control the game now. But they don’t have any real roots in this community. They didn’t grow up yearning for Hollywood. They don’t care about its history, its mythology. Their interests are driven by entirely different models. Amazon doesn’t care if your movie is good — they care if it helps keep people subscribed to Prime and buying socks. Not exactly a recipe for greatness.
Do you think that true of Netflix as well?
Netflix won’t even tell you how many people watched your movie. Why? Because they don’t want you to know. Their business is entirely algorithmic. They care about satisfaction across a vast catalog. Your individual film? It’s just another tile in the grid. It’s no big deal if it succeeds or fails.
So how do you make something that lasts in this environment?
That’s the problem. Great work doesn’t sit in the culture anymore. It’s gone in a flash. One hand clapping in a forest. We used to have shows that 50 million people watched on the same night. Now? If something gets 7 million, it’s a smash hit. There’s just too much. Too many op
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Originally posted by second:Quote:6ixStringJack, you are full of shit.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
This is having a much larger negative impact on traditional cable TV than it ever will have on movie theaters.
People aren't going to see movies because there's still a glut of half-assed DEI projects that were too far completed to outright cancel, there's a shortage of movies in general still because of the actor/writer's strikes and because all the venture capital dried up and they used that opportunity to slash more than half of the movies and shows they were planning on making. Which is why you never saw a cartoon for My Racist Baby and you haven't heard a word out of race grifter Kendi for years now.
And Joe Biden*'s economy made going to the theaters cost so much that people are making real decisions about which movies they can afford to see in a theater right now.
Hollywood only continues its downward slide for one or both of 2 reasons.
1. They continue the woke DEI shit that nobody wants to pay to see.
2. The economy continues to tumble.
At least right now, it doesn't look like either of those things are going to happen.
And, other than just giving up and dying, with nowhere really left to go but up, Hollywood should start posting some improvements over the coming years.
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No. I'm not.
It's why I'm better at this than people who are paid to do it.
Not going to bother reading any of that wall of text that I know was written by a moron because you decided to post it.
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Quote:Trump is a fast talker but a slow reader, prone to boredom after 50 words. Trumptards are the same.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
No. I'm not.
It's why I'm better at this than people who are paid to do it.
Not going to bother reading any of that wall of text that I know was written by a moron because you decided to post it.
Hollywood is killing itself with stunts that inflate the cost of production. And the unnecessary risk of injury and death doesn't increase the profitability.
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Mission: Impossible (1996) 5.7 (worldwide box office is 5.7 times production budget)
Mission: Impossible (2000) 4.6
Mission: Impossible (2006) 2.7
Mission: Impossible (2011) 4.8
Mission: Impossible (2015) 4.6
Mission: Impossible (2018) 4.4
Mission: Impossible (2023) 2.0
Mission: Impossible (2025) 0.5 (worldwide box office is 0.5 times production budget)
https://www.the-numbers.com/custom-search?searchterm=mission+impossibl
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‘Mission: Impossible’ Stunts, Ranked By the Danger They Posed To the Health and Safety of Tom Cruise
Whether he's scaling the world's tallest building, holding his breath for six straight minutes, or jumping from plane to plane in the latest installment, Mission: Impossible — Dead Reckoning, there's nothing Tom Cruise won't do to entertain us. We've ranked his greatest stunts in order of riskiness.
By William Goodman | May 23, 2025
https://www.gq.com/story/mission-impossible-stunts-ranked-by-danger-to
m-cruise
Since its big-screen debut in 1996, the Mission: Impossible franchise has distinguished itself from other spy-movie franchises because it has one thing its competitors don't: Tom Cruise—and more specifically, Tom Cruise risking life and limb to entertain us by performing insane stunts. With each subsequent Ethan Hunt adventure, we get more stories (like this one, from the pages of GQ) about Tom Cruise doing something extremely risky in order to enthrall an audience, whether he's learning to hold his breath underwater for six minutes or scaling the exterior of the world's tallest building.
In the series' seventh installment, Mission: Impossible — Dead Reckoning, Hunt states to a character that their life “will always be more important to me than my own,” which feels like a declaration of Cruise’s guiding philosophy when it comes to stunt work. Recall Matt Damon's story about a dinner conversation he had with Cruise about a stunt in Ghost Protocol and the safety coordinator who deemed the stunt too dangerous for Cruise to execute; the punch line of that story is Cruise telling Damon “So, I get a new safety guy.”
Cruise fulfills his mission statement in the latest and purportedly final Mission: Impossible film, Mission: Impossible — Final Reckoning, by first hanging off the wing of a biplane and then jumping from it to another, nearby plane—establishing a new benchmark for both blockbuster-film stunt performance and actorly self-endangerment. As the franchise races into the sunset on a speeding bullet train, we’ve ranked the craziest stunts from the Mission series by degree of danger, from least to most.
11. Tom Shatters a Giant Fish Tank (Mission: Impossible, 1996)
Danger Level: Mild
An exploding fish tank feels like small potatoes in the larger scope of the Mission series, but Cruise has said the stunt was indeed “very crazy.” Talking to Graham Norton in 2018, Cruise recalled that he and the stunt coordinator couldn’t get on the same page about the timing of the explosion, resulting in a Who’s On First-like back and forth about whether the “go” was on the count of three or the count of one. Considering the sequence involved a detonation, glass, and plenty of water, the potential for danger was high, but hardly life-threatening.
10. Tom Does a Free Solo Climb (Mission: Impossible 2, 2000)
Danger Level: Unnecessarily high.
Cruise’s wholehearted approach to dangerous stunt work began in earnest with John Woo’s Mission: Impossible 2. The ac
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No. I'm not.
It's why I'm better at this than people who are paid to do it.
Not going to bother reading any of that wall of text that I know was written by a moron because you decided to post it.
Shut the fuck up.
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Gross...
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Lilo-and-Stitch-(2025)#tab=box-offic
e
Keep buying shit, people.
I don't want to hear any complaining out of you about Disney live action remakes when you're still giving them a $340 Million opening weekend in 2025.
You get what you deserve.
Meanwhile, if this movie hits a about $1.3 Billion, Disney will break even for the year so far. So at least it's not as if they're going to be doing well even if this performs great. They've already suffered three massive flops costing them just around $900 Million for the year before this dropped.
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Well... Maybe this one actually isn't shit...
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Lilo-and-Stitch-(2025)#tab=summary
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Audience approval for Lilo & Stitch is sky-high, with CinemaScore reporting an “A” rating, and an “A+” from younger fans. The audience is 36% male, 64% female, and breaks down as 56% “general audience”, 29% parents and 15% kids, per Disney. That general audience score is notable, and one of the reasons the film is doing these numbers. 30% of the audience is 25–34, a demographic that will include some parents with kids, but many who are not. The audience is culturally diverse too: 39% Hispanic, 34% Caucasian, 12% African-American, 8% Native American/Other, and 7% Asian.
I know that Bruce is a closeted Trump hater. That much is clear from years of gleaning his political position over years of reading his articles. He is much more intelligent than your average "journalist" out there, and knows better than to drag politics into his website, which is why the-numbers will outlive much of his competition... but the mask always slips every once in a while.
That being said, I don't think he puts any outright false stats out there either. The only "false" things he does is what the entire industry does... things like never counting inflation so they can always say the word "record breaking" even though most of the records stopped being broken in the 1970s, before many of us were born.
So if he puts out the current Cinema Score at an A/A+, I'm not going to double check that claim. The audience, particularly the kids, seem to love it.
I do think it's kind of weird though that 56% of the people watching this are neither kids or parents/guardians taking kids to see it.
I guess the creepy dudes who have no business going out in public to watch a kids movie in theaters full of kids are in good company and can just disappear into the crowd when more than half of any random showing of the movie this weekend was childless adult babies going to see it.
Also to note... Disney should be thanking the Mexican Americans this weekend. While the current trending has a minority percentage almost exactly in line with their demographic makeup of the country everywhere else, white people did not go out to see this one at only roughly 1/3 of the audience in attendance. Hispanics came out and were nearly 40% of the audience in the states on Opening Weekend.
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Shut the fuck up.
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On the other hand, a live action version of Disney cartoon from 2002 has worldwide box office of 4.2 times production budget.
Maybe audiences do NOT want to pay to see billionaire Tom Cruise indulge in his hobby of being a semi-pro stuntman. For example, nobody pays multi-billionaire Jeff Bezos to indulge in his hobby of being a semi-pro astronaut. His company, Blue Origin, pays. Tom Cruise's company should pay, not movie audiences.
Mission: Impossible (2025)
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Mission-Impossible-The-Final-Reckoni
ng-(2025)#tab=summary
Lilo & Stitch (2025)
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Lilo-and-Stitch-(2025)#tab=summary
Lilo & Stitch (2002)
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Lilo-and-Stitch#tab=summary
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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So Thunderbolts seems to have caught Nu Captain America or its at least right on the heels of Captain America Brave New World
so maybe $410+ ?
Lilo & Stitch is strong, a kids animation
Final Destination Bloodlines 2025 is doing ok, it has a Budget $50 million, the Original Final Destination had a Budget of around $20 million
$23.0M internationally this weekend. Estimated international total stands at $92.5M.
https://forums.boxofficetheory.com/topic/32977-final-destination-blood
lines/page/2/#comments
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The Latest ‘Mission Impossible’ Is a Movie That Missed the Vibe Shift
https://chroniclesmagazine.org/web/the-latest-mission-impossible-is-a-
movie-that-missed-the-vibe-shift/
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-44% drop for the weekend. $22,720,000.
Worldwide Total after Weekend 4: $816,567,000
It wrapped up Weekend 3 with $695,526,515, or $121 Million for the week.
Let's be super conservative and say it only drops -40% week to week from here on out...
Weekend 5: $889 Million (+72 Million)
Weekend 6: $932 Million (+43 Million)
Weekend 7: $957 Million (+26 Million)
Weekend 8: $972 Million (+15 Million)
Weekend 9: $981 Million (+9 Million)
Weekend 10: $986 Million (+5 Million)
Weekend 11: $989 Million (+3 Million)
Weekend 12: $991 Million (+2 Million)
It gets close if we give it 3 full months and straight -40% drops from here on out.
But I don't see either of those scenarios playing out, let alone both of them.
Weekend 8 + 3 Days: $940 Million Worldwide
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Minecraft-Movie-A-(2025)#tab=box-off
ice
They're behind schedule.
$230k domestic on Wednesday.
Minecraft will not be a $1 Billion movie. Most likely not even if you were rounding up since it's still about $10 Million short of being able to do that with the $1 days far behind it at this point.
But at $940 Million worldwide, that's up in the air. I could easily see Bruce pull $10+ Million out from under the international couch cushions with a number that big.
It still did $300 Million better than the high end of my original prediction. Congrats on the win regardless.
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Thunderbolts might not beat Nu Captain America, its stuck right behind on its heels and earning less and now the box office is busy so it will have trouble picking up any more money. Thunderbolts has been in theaters for less than four weeks and it’s about $50m ish behind
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons-extended/Sinners
-(2025)/Captain-America-Brave-New-World-(2025)/Thunderbolts-(2025)#tab=day_by_day_comparison
4th Wednesday almost the same $179,165,966 vs $176,310,746
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Thunderbolts might not beat Nu Captain America, its stuck right behind on its heels and earning less and now the box office is busy so it will have trouble picking up any more money. Thunderbolts has been in theaters for less than four weeks and it’s about $50m ish behind
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons-extended/Sinners
-(2025)/Captain-America-Brave-New-World-(2025)/Thunderbolts-(2025)#tab=day_by_day_comparison
4th Wednesday almost the same $179,165,966 vs $176,310,746
Nah... Thunderbolts already lost this race, unfortunately.
That's just bad timing for them is all. Blacktain Anti-America had zero competition surrounding it for weeks in the worst box-office 1st quarter I've seen.
Where Thunderbolt fails now is the international box office. Even though it looks like Thunderbolts will almost certainly beat Anti-America in the states if given the same amount of time before it gets yanked, It's still down $53 Million from Anti-America worldwide.
That's a gap far too wide to cross at this point, even if Bruce surprises with an extra $10-$15 Million international.
They both lost Disney money, and along with their other failure so far this year that I already forgot about, they're about $900 Million in the hole so far and those losses will gobble up most of what Lilo and Stitch ends up making. The only way they end up in the black again off of L&S is if it grosses around $1.2 Billion or more worldwide. After that they start making money again in 2025 until they (probably) lose money on Fantastic Four and some other bullshit movie I heard is still coming out from them this year that I've already forgot and nobody wants.
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Tom Cruise’s ‘Mission: Impossible – The Final Reckoning’ Rules China Box Office
https://variety.com/2025/film/news/tom-cruise-mission-impossible-china
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Tom Cruise’s ‘Mission: Impossible – The Final Reckoning’ Rules China Box Office
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2 weekends in and it's still $47 Million from breaking even with just the production budget.
Not going to matter on this one. This is the final nail for Paramount.
That's what you get for spending $400 Million and making Disney look frugal with their budgets, you dumb shits.
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KARATE KID: LEGENDS added another $12M international this weekend, $26M total.
https://x.com/ERCboxoffice/status/1929206292104593492
UK ($3.4M)
GER ($2.2M)
Middle East ($1.4M)
Warner Bros.'s Sinners grossed $5.27M this weekend (from 2,138 locations). Total domestic gross stands at $267.13M.
https://x.com/BORReport/status/1929614479916257516
Daily Grosses
FRI - $1.560M
SAT - $2.160M
SUN - $1.550M
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Didn't have much hope for Karate Kid.
Sounds like a blip. You know if they broke the bank on that budget or not? I can't even be arsed to look it up, honestly.
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Didn't have much hope for Karate Kid.
Sounds like a blip. You know if they broke the bank on that budget or not? I can't even be arsed to look it up, honestly.
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Quiet night around here. So I did look it up since Bruce didn't have it.
Variety said that it was $45 Million and that they expect it to make a profit due to the "modest" budget. To be fair to them, sadly, $45 Million does appear to be pretty modest in 2025, considering we've had 2 horror movies this year that were $50 Million and $90 Million already.
Worldwide Gross is just a few bucks over $46 Million, so unless anything crazy happens like a complete loss of interest by Weekend 2, I concur with their statement.
Unless marketing for this was a low-budget affair, which I honestly wouldn't know because we're 5 months into 2025 and I have yet to see a single commercial, it's probably not going to make all that much in the end, but it shouldn't lose any money for Sony or Columbia Pictures.
As time passes and I don't obsess over these movies any longer, I couldn't say with absolute certainty now, but I can't think of a single example where a movie didn't make money as long as it recouped at least 100% of the production budget worldwide after the first weekend. This one passed that test, even if just by only $1 Million.
It needs $112.5 Million to break even at RoT2.5x. If it doesn't buck the usual trend, it should be sitting somewhere just under $100 Million by the end of next weekend, and it will be making money, likely during or right before the start of Weekend 3. But by weekend 4 we're already looking at Domestic number of maybe $2 or $3 Million tops.
But hey... $30-$40 Million in profit off of a $45 Million investment ain't half bad. If I had a money printing machine where I could nearly double my money, I'd be using it every chance I had.
This is actually a real good example of what the studios need to get back to.
Make 8 of these movies instead of 1 Mission Impossible movie. Not only aren't you wasting all your budget on some high-priced prima-donna that most American's can't stand to look at anymore*, but you'd be putting 8 times as many actual working people to work and/or keeping those people 8 times as gainfully employed than if they were only making the one movie.
Your bonus is if you lose on one or two of them, you aren't betting the farm on them and you can always luck into one or two of those eight movies being a mega-hit that brings in a ton of cash.
Let's get away from CGI and overpriced actors and back to making good movies again.
*I love Tom Cruise. I wasn't referring to him specifically, although I'm sure with a PB of $400 Million, he was insanely overpaid for this latest MI movie given how bad the last one did and how much worse this one will do by comparison.
Can't blame his Agent for taking advantage of Paramount if they let him do it. They've got to know that Cruise has just about maybe 1 Top Gun and 1 Edge of Tomorrow sequel left in him before his action days are done. That won't mean the end of his career necessarily. I don't expect him to hop from that straight to redbox/netflix like Bruce Willis and idiot Robert Deniro. And as much as I love Nic Cage, Cruise will never be in that desperate situation to be doing movies with those types of budgets either.
Is there place in Cinema in 2025 and beyond for the Next Paul Newman?
If the answer to that is yes, I can't see a more fitting Golden Years era of Cruise's career than to follow in Newman's footsteps and make some great old man roles.
Who's up for a 3rd entry in the Poolhouse Saga, possibly some 70 years after the first movie?
I'm game.
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Wicked: For Good first trailer reveals new songs, a wedding, and the first glimpse of Dorothy as fans try to figure out who will play the iconic character
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-14782659/Wicked-Good-tra
iler-songs-wedding-Dorothy.html
Fantastic Four remake
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After all the good press I was hearing about this since last year, I've now been hearing quite a bit of questions asking if this is going to lose money for Disney too.
Sounds like they made it another Girl Boss turd, with Pedro Pascal more than happy to play his recurring role as The Cuck.
You go, Girl!
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The Karate Kid is back, and this time with Legends. But is it any good?
https://www.smh.com.au/culture/movies/the-karate-kid-is-back-and-this-
time-with-legends-but-is-it-any-good-20250604-p5m4uw.html
‘Lilo & Stitch’ Nears $800M Global, ‘Mission: Impossible – Final Reckoning’ Tops $450M & ‘Ballerina’ Bows To $51M WW
https://deadline.com/2025/06/lilo-stitch-mission-impossible-ballerina-
global-box-office-1236426946/
Gavin Newsom Demands Trump Administration Remove National Guard From L.A. Amid ICE Protests: ‘Rescind the Order. Return Control to California’ Article
https://variety.com/2025/biz/news/gavin-newsom-demands-trump-remove-na
tional-guard-la-protest-1236422793/
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https://variety.com/2025/biz/news/gavin-newsom-demands-trump-remove-na
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Nope.
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More interruptions, protests, LA is BURNING ....YET AGAIN
and Trump wants to tariff and sanction the rest of the film making world and save that mess? but Martial Law will fix it??
Disney's Snow White has ended its domestic run with a total domestic gross of $87,203,963.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Disneys-Snow-White-(2025)#tab=box-of
fice
Hollywood loving the smell of its own farts
‘John Wick’ Spinoffs That Could Come Next
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/john-wick-spinoffs-that-could-
come/
Bourne Ultimatum (2007) vs. From the World of John Wick: Ballerina (2025) vs. Spectre (2015)
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons-extended/Bourne-
Ultimatum-The/From-the-World-of-John-Wick-Ballerina-(2025)/Spectre#tab=day_by_day_comparison
Wick Ballerina
looks like maybe it won't reach 150
Budget $90 million
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Does he really though?
Maybe he was just messing with them.
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are the Mexicans alien Martians now...Mars Attacks II?
'Mexico wants to blame their corrupt, gangster society on everyone and everything but themselves.
https://x.com/GoodEye1776/status/1930976626008838595
And thank you SCOTUS for taking four years to do what should have been done in one.'
Apple store in downtown LA being looted tonigh
https://x.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1932378941463110022
A solo counter-protester at the anti-ICE riots in downtown LA said her family was killed by undocumented immigrants. She was assaulted multiple times—maced, struck with bottles, punched, kicked, and run over by a bicycle.
https://x.com/Right_Now_Views/status/1931900896402980888
anyways predictions for Ballerina Wick??
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not much news from DisneyMarvel but WarnerBros/DC
quick another remake!
'Wonder Woman' movie officially in the works, James Gunn confirms
https://ew.com/wonder-woman-movie-officially-confirmed-dc-james-gunn-c
onfirms-exclusive-11744583
its over!?
With ‘Ballerina’ Falling Short at the Box Office, ‘John Wick’ May Finally Be Getting Stretched Too Thin
https://www.indiewire.com/news/box-office/ballerina-box-office-john-wi
ck-slowing-down-1235130920/
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Let's go back to not making comic book movies again, mkay?
Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks.
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‘Thunderbolts*’ Lost Millions of Dollars Despite Great Reviews. Where Does Marvel Go Next?
https://variety.com/2025/film/box-office/thunderbolts-lost-millions-bo
x-office-marvel-next-1236427994/
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‘Thunderbolts*’ Lost Millions of Dollars Despite Great Reviews. Where Does Marvel Go Next?
The dumpster.
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China still dominating with that animation thing, Hollyweird losing to others foriegn or indie film has been expected for a while
‘Jurassic World: Rebirth’ Heading To $115M+
https://deadline.com/2025/06/jurassic-world-rebirth-box-office-project
ion-1236432006/
Our Popcorn Movie Dystopia - SOME MORE NEWS: THE MOVIE
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