Killers of the Flower Moon

POSTED BY: Brenda
UPDATED: Monday, July 27, 2026 09:46
VIEWED: 453
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BRENDA

Thursday, July 23, 2026 4:11 AM

Just got it from the library the other day and sat down last night and watched it for an hour before hitting the hay.

Just from the first hour I wanted to reach through the screen and killed Robert de Niro's character. I am also hoping he will be dead by the end of the film

Also a couple of at least secondary characters that I want to kill as well.

No details as I don't want to ruin the film for anyone who wants to see.

Many historical or historical looking photographs at the start of the film.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 23, 2026 10:35 AM

I think this might be the best movie review I have ever read.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 23, 2026 11:00 AM

Less than half-joking aside though, I wonder...

I know it's not going to make any changes in your behavior because you're not a mindless NPC like some of the folk around here are cause you and me are smarter than the average Bear.

...

Are they all white men? These characters that you want to strangle in the movie, Brenda?

Oh, Hollywood, Hollywood... Why do you hate me so?

You really don't make it easy being a white brother who just doesn't want any conflict and wants to be left alone for the most part.

I'm hoping I'm wrong, Brenda. But until you tell me I am I'm pretty sure that I'm not.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

BRENDA

Thursday, July 23, 2026 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Less than half-joking aside though, I wonder...

I know it's not going to make any changes in your behavior because you're not a mindless NPC like some of the folk around here are cause you and me are smarter than the average Bear.

...

Are they all white men? These characters that you want to strangle in the movie, Brenda?

Oh, Hollywood, Hollywood... Why do you hate me so?

You really don't make it easy being a white brother who just doesn't want any conflict and wants to be left alone for the most part.

I'm hoping I'm wrong, Brenda. But until you tell me I am I'm pretty sure that I'm not.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

They are all white characters. Like I said Robert de Niro's character, who only seems to go on about the money the Osage have which is why I want to strangle De Niro's character. I am fairly certain I will find other reasons why I want do him in. Also he seems to be the sheriff and doesn't care about investigating Osage murders. All women by the way.

And an older couple who were in someone's house talking about 2 children both half breeds that they were watching at a table. The first child is girl of about 5 maybe being schooled. The other child is a boy of around a year old or a little more. The woman was saying they will be worthless and how come the girl was darker than the boy. Then the man said I suppose bible scripture and basically that is why I wanted to strangle those two.

I like DiCaprico's character. He seems to have respect for the Osage.

Interesting thing when his character Ernest got married, the ceremony was Osage. Not in a church though there is a scene where he and Mollie are in a church.

So far no stereotypes of the drunken Indian.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 23, 2026 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by Brenda:
They are all white characters.

Fuck yeah! I knew it!

....

I mean, *ahem*... Thanks Brenda.

I have been writing a stupid amount tonight and I need a little break. I'm going to come back in a little while and look at the rest of your reply. I think I'm probably in for another long night anyway.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 23, 2026 1:05 PM

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Originally posted by Brenda:

They are all white characters. Like I said Robert de Niro's character, who only seems to go on about the money the Osage have which is why I want to strangle De Niro's character. I am fairly certain I will find other reasons why I want do him in. Also he seems to be the sheriff and doesn't care about investigating Osage murders. All women by the way.

Your whole review made me laugh, but the part about De Niro was my favorite part.

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And an older couple who were in someone's house talking about 2 children both half breeds that they were watching at a table. The first child is girl of about 5 maybe being schooled. The other child is a boy of around a year old or a little more. The woman was saying they will be worthless and how come the girl was darker than the boy. Then the man said I suppose bible scripture and basically that is why I wanted to strangle those two.

I don't get the point about bible scripture. Maybe that's something way above my head since I don't subscribe to any religion. I mean that I know so little about the subject matter that I wouldn't know how he could be offensive with it.

And although I would agree 100% that saying something like that is just downright rude and shouldn't ever be said, but I'm wondering aside from the rudeness of saying it out loud if maybe there weren't a little truth to that in 1920's Oklahoma? Everything that is true isn't always nice. I think in 2026 we're long past that ever mattering. I can't genuinely think of a single person I know or have ever known that would shun a white/native relationship. I mean maybe some drunk dickhead at a friend's family party might but I think that person would probably get shut down immediately and likely kicked out of the party for saying it.

What I'm saying is, I would feel bad for those kids 100 years ago. What happened wasn't their fault, but now they're growing up in a world that only had the radio for less than 30 years and hadn't even seen a television yet. I think there would probably be a lot of "racism" going around on the part of everyone in that situation. Depending on how bad the animus a tribe had for any local white people, couldn't you see situations where they'd be banished? I'm sure that making fornicating with white people forbidden wasn't uncommon. Probably not so different than the amount of pregenant white women who were disowned if they went through with the pregnancy, which I'm assuming most did with religion being so much more prominent 100 years ago than it is today.

Hell... I told you about my grandma and grandpa. We're all "white" now, but my grandma was banished from her rich parent's house and life after she dropped out of secretary school and married my poor polack grandpa who was a lower manager at a grocery store. They were in love. Like really. Because they stuck together to the end like only 1 of their kids has managed to do so far, with 1 other still having both partners alive. You could tell the way they talked about each other and what they would do for each other that it was still real all those years later.

But at the end of the day. Everybody always paints whatever picture they want to hand down to the kids and grand kids, but I'm under no illusion about it. I know my grandpa knocked my grandma up. And everybody was deeply Christian and an abortion would have been out of the question for everyone involved. And my Grandpa got to work and raised a family of five kids without my grandmother ever having to work a job a single day of her life after they got married and made the bastard legit. And he never once asked them for a dime. And the only reason any of that generational wealth made it to this side of the family is because eldest sister who died of breast cancer had a heart and didn't give the entire fortune to the other sister that "did the right th

BRENDA

Friday, July 24, 2026 3:12 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by Brenda:

They are all white characters. Like I said Robert de Niro's character, who only seems to go on about the money the Osage have which is why I want to strangle De Niro's character. I am fairly certain I will find other reasons why I want do him in. Also he seems to be the sheriff and doesn't care about investigating Osage murders. All women by the way.

Your whole review made me laugh, but the part about De Niro was my favorite part.

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And an older couple who were in someone's house talking about 2 children both half breeds that they were watching at a table. The first child is girl of about 5 maybe being schooled. The other child is a boy of around a year old or a little more. The woman was saying they will be worthless and how come the girl was darker than the boy. Then the man said I suppose bible scripture and basically that is why I wanted to strangle those two.

I don't get the point about bible scripture. Maybe that's something way above my head since I don't subscribe to any religion. I mean that I know so little about the subject matter that I wouldn't know how he could be offensive with it.

And although I would agree 100% that saying something like that is just downright rude and shouldn't ever be said, but I'm wondering aside from the rudeness of saying it out loud if maybe there weren't a little truth to that in 1920's Oklahoma? Everything that is true isn't always nice. I think in 2026 we're long past that ever mattering. I can't genuinely think of a single person I know or have ever known that would shun a white/native relationship. I mean maybe some drunk dickhead at a friend's family party might but I think that person would probably get shut down immediately and likely kicked out of the party for saying it.

What I'm saying is, I would feel bad for those kids 100 years ago. What happened wasn't their fault, but now they're growing up in a world that only had the radio for less than 30 years and hadn't even seen a television yet. I think there would probably be a lot of "racism" going around on the part of everyone in that situation. Depending on how bad the animus a tribe had for any local white people, couldn't you see situations where they'd be banished? I'm sure that making fornicating with white people forbidden wasn't uncommon. Probably not so different than the amount of pregenant white women who were disowned if they went through with the pregnancy, which I'm assuming most did with religion being so much more prominent 100 years ago than it is today.

Hell... I told you about my grandma and grandpa. We're all "white" now, but my grandma was banished from her rich parent's house and life after she dropped out of secretary school and married my poor polack grandpa who was a lower manager at a grocery store. They were in love. Like really. Because they stuck together to the end like only 1 of their kids has managed to do so far, with 1 other still having both partners alive. You could tell the way they talked about each other and what they would do for each other that it was still real all those years later.

But at the end of the day. Everybody always paints whatever picture they want to hand down to the kids and grand kids, but I'm under no illusion about it. I know my grandpa knocked my grandma up. And everybody was deeply Christian and an abortion would have been out of the question for everyone involved. And my Grandpa got to work and raised a family of five kids without my grandmother ever having to work a job a single day of her life after they got married and made the bastard legit. And he never once asked them for a dime. And the only reason any of that generational wealth made it to this side of the family is because eldest sister who died of breast cancer had a heart and didn't give the entire fortune

BRENDA

Friday, July 24, 2026 3:20 AM

Okay, after last night I still want De Niro's character to die. He is heavily involved in a lot of bad stuff. And like I said he is all about the money.

Other thing is. I wish Ernest would grow a backbone when he is around his Uncle. He feels so beholden to him that his Uncle is basically dragging him around by the nose. So Ernst is involved in things that aren't right. Like arranging a murder. He's scaring his wife Mollie, who doesn't need the stress being a diabetic.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, July 24, 2026 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by Brenda:
No worries about laughing. I am not much on writing reviews.

Oh... I wasn't laughing at the review. I liked it. It really did make me laugh. I don't laugh too much these days. It's always appreciated.

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I'm not eve sure it was scripture or if the character was just meant to be cherry picking the bible. It was something about god laying hands over the earth. I have no idea and it sounded dumb.

Of course the time being in the 20s accounts for a lot of the attitudes towards the Osage. I know that too and calling people lazy which in this time went both ways. Just before the Great Depression and people were already starting to feel it.
Nowadays that time of prejudice is gone. Oh, today for sure they would be shut down. Hell, I've shut down people in my mah jong group for going off.

Yeah... That's the thing about today. A lot of people are just jerks, and that just goes for people in general and has nothing to do with race or sex or anything else... except in the rarer cases where it actually DOES, and that's why I think it's so important to not throw stereotypes away completely, but we need to actively weed out all of the lies from the net so we can shine light on the truths and only then is anything ever going to really get fixed long term.

Yeah... I'd have my buddy Joe come over and I visited his house all the time. I don't remember what tribe, but both of his parents were Native, and like my step-dad, he spoke better English than most white kids I knew. My mom was in general an embarrassment with her constant yelling about everything, all the time, so I didn't have many friends over often, but I was never worried she'd say anything about me being friends with Joe or even worse saying something real shitty while he was right there. And she never did. And my step-dad was Mexican and I didn't give that a second thought.

Like some of my other friends earlier in life who were from other countries. My one friend's father was 100% Irish and extremely quiet and mild-mannerd man that looked a little like Bill Gates and had a ton of cool tech. And his mother was a Korean woman he met in the war and married. It was an interesting time too, because they are 2 of among maybe 10 or so friends I had over the years whose parents were either 1st generation immigrants or had similar stories where the men met the women while they were stationed overseas in the military. So many of my friend's parents were so difficult to understand sometimes. I was a good kid and I never would be rude about it and did my very best. My friend's mother from Korea was really hard sometimes though. I think I ususally was able to get enough out of her that my replies made sense, but I was REALLY embarassed when my friend called me out for my answer to one of her questions.

His mom was asking me about my mom and I thought she asked me, "Does she walk?". And I'm thinking she means for exercise or something so I said, "Yeah, my mom exercies and sometimes she goes out on walks".

And my friend said. She asked you if your mom works.

Oh shit...

I wasn't trying to be funny. I felt bad about that. Apparently it was pretty bad, because here I am more than 30 years later telling the story as if it happened yesterday. I'm visualizing myself in their house, right by his dining room table where we had both been sitting and drawing stuff... probably X-Men comic characters, before she came back from running errands.

From the perspective of a kid who just expected everyone to know and speak English, I didn't really understand what was so hard about being able to speak English correctly since you already know all the words. Also easy to say when I was still holding out on the idea that I'd teach myself Spanish one day into my mid-20's before I gave up trying to learn it, but that's just another thing I get now that I di

BRENDA

Saturday, July 25, 2026 1:11 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

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Originally posted by Brenda:
No worries about laughing. I am not much on writing reviews.

Oh... I wasn't laughing at the review. I liked it. It really did make me laugh. I don't laugh too much these days. It's always appreciated.

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I'm not eve sure it was scripture or if the character was just meant to be cherry picking the bible. It was something about god laying hands over the earth. I have no idea and it sounded dumb.

Of course the time being in the 20s accounts for a lot of the attitudes towards the Osage. I know that too and calling people lazy which in this time went both ways. Just before the Great Depression and people were already starting to feel it.
Nowadays that time of prejudice is gone. Oh, today for sure they would be shut down. Hell, I've shut down people in my mah jong group for going off.

Yeah... That's the thing about today. A lot of people are just jerks, and that just goes for people in general and has nothing to do with race or sex or anything else... except in the rarer cases where it actually DOES, and that's why I think it's so important to not throw stereotypes away completely, but we need to actively weed out all of the lies from the net so we can shine light on the truths and only then is anything ever going to really get fixed long term.

Yeah... I'd have my buddy Joe come over and I visited his house all the time. I don't remember what tribe, but both of his parents were Native, and like my step-dad, he spoke better English than most white kids I knew. My mom was in general an embarrassment with her constant yelling about everything, all the time, so I didn't have many friends over often, but I was never worried she'd say anything about me being friends with Joe or even worse saying something real shitty while he was right there. And she never did. And my step-dad was Mexican and I didn't give that a second thought.

Like some of my other friends earlier in life who were from other countries. My one friend's father was 100% Irish and extremely quiet and mild-mannerd man that looked a little like Bill Gates and had a ton of cool tech. And his mother was a Korean woman he met in the war and married. It was an interesting time too, because they are 2 of among maybe 10 or so friends I had over the years whose parents were either 1st generation immigrants or had similar stories where the men met the women while they were stationed overseas in the military. So many of my friend's parents were so difficult to understand sometimes. I was a good kid and I never would be rude about it and did my very best. My friend's mother from Korea was really hard sometimes though. I think I ususally was able to get enough out of her that my replies made sense, but I was REALLY embarassed when my friend called me out for my answer to one of her questions.

His mom was asking me about my mom and I thought she asked me, "Does she walk?". And I'm thinking she means for exercise or something so I said, "Yeah, my mom exercies and sometimes she goes out on walks".

And my friend said. She asked you if your mom works.

Oh shit...

I wasn't trying to be funny. I felt bad about that. Apparently it was pretty bad, because here I am more than 30 years later telling the story as if it happened yesterday. I'm visualizing myself in their house, right by his dining room table where we had both been sitting and drawing stuff... probably X-Men comic characters, before she came back from running errands.

From the perspective of a kid who just expected everyone to know and speak English, I didn't really understand what was so hard about being able to speak English correctly since you already know all the words. Also easy to say when I was still holding out on the idea that I'd teach myself Spanish one day into my mid-20's before I gave up trying to learn it, but th

BRENDA

Saturday, July 25, 2026 1:16 AM

After last night not sure if the Uncle is dead but there was huge fire on his place and it kinda looked like he was strung up. So Yaaaaaaaaaaaay!

Mollie saw an owl which to the Osage means death. She tried to warn Ernest that he was next.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 25, 2026 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by Brenda:
After last night not sure if the Uncle is dead but there was huge fire on his place and it kinda looked like he was strung up. So Yaaaaaaaaaaaay!

That was almost as good as your review.

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Mollie saw an owl which to the Osage means death. She tried to warn Ernest that he was next.

Ruh, Roh.

I'm planning on writing back to your long message, Brenda, but it was a long day and I don't know if I'll get to it tonight.

But I have to know what did the last line mean?

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Also you are getting pretty to good with old William there.

Maybe I'm blanking, but I can't figure out what that means in the context of what we're talking about, and I looked online to see if it was maybe an idiom I didn't know and drew a blank there.

I read your whole message. I will reply.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

SECOND

Saturday, July 25, 2026 9:35 PM

Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI by David Grann

Free download from https://z-lib.gl/s/Killers%20of%20the%20Flower%20Moon

The last few paragraphs of the book:

Before I left Osage County to return home, I stopped to see Mary Jo Webb, a retired teacher who had spent decades investigating the suspicious death of her grandfather during the Reign of Terror. Webb, who was in her eighties, lived in a single-story wooden house in Fairfax, not far from where the Smiths’ home had exploded. A frail woman with a quavering voice, she invited me in and we sat in her living room. I had called earlier to arrange the visit, and in expectation of my arrival she had brought out several boxes of documents—including guardian expense reports, probate records, and court testimony—that she’d gathered about the case of her grandfather Paul Peace. “He was one of those victims who didn’t show up in the FBI files and whose killers didn’t go to prison,” Webb said.

In December 1926, Peace suspected that his wife, who was white, was poisoning him. As the documents confirmed, he went to see the attorney Comstock, whom Webb described as one of the few decent white attorneys at the time. Peace wanted to get a divorce and change his will to disinherit his wife. A witness later testified that Peace had claimed his wife was feeding him “some kind of poison, that she was killing him.”

When I asked Webb how her grandfather might have been poisoned, she said, “There were these doctors. They were brothers. My mother said that everyone knew that’s where people would get the dope to poison the Osage.”

“What was their name?” I asked.

“The Shouns.”

I remembered the Shouns. They were the doctors who had claimed that the bullet that had killed Anna Brown had disappeared. The doctors who had initially concealed that Bill Smith had given a last statement incriminating Hale and who had arranged it so that one of them became the administrator of Rita Smith’s invaluable estate. The doctors whom investigators suspected of giving Mollie Burkhart poison instead of insulin. Many of the cases seemed bound by a web of silent conspirators. Mathis, the Big Hill Trading Company owner and the guardian of Anna Brown and her mother, was a member of the inquest into Brown’s murder that failed to turn up the bullet. He also managed, on behalf of Mollie’s family, the team of private eyes that conspicuously never cracked any of the cases. A witness had told the bureau that after Henry Roan’s murder, Hale was eager to get the corpse away from one undertaker and delivered to the funeral home at the Big Hill Trading Company. The murder plots depended upon doctors who falsified death certificates and upon undertakers who quickly and quietly buried bodies. The guardian whom McAuliffe suspected of killing his grandmother was a prominent attorney working for the tribe who never interfered with the criminal networks operating under his nose. Nor did bankers, including the apparent murderer Burt, who were profiting from the criminal “Indian business.” Nor did the venal mayor of Fairfax—an ally of Hale’s who also served as a guardian. Nor did countless lawmen and prosecutors and judges who had a hand in the blood money. In 1926, the Osage leader Bacon Rind remarked, “There are men amongst the whites, honest men, but they are mighty scarce.” Garrick Bailey, a leading anthropologist on Osage culture, said to me, “If Hale had told what he knew, a high percentage of the county’s leading citizens would have been in prison.” Indeed, virtually every element of society was complicit in the murderous system. Which is why just about any member of this society might have been responsible for the murder of McBride, in Washington: he threatened to bring down not only Hale but a vast criminal operation that was reaping millions and millions of dollars.

On February 23, 1927, weeks after Paul Peace vowed to disinherit and divorce the wife he suspected of poisoning him, he was injured in a hit-and-run and left to bleed out on the road. W

BRENDA

Saturday, July 25, 2026 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
After last night not sure if the Uncle is dead but there was huge fire on his place and it kinda looked like he was strung up. So Yaaaaaaaaaaaay!

That was almost as good as your review.

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Mollie saw an owl which to the Osage means death. She tried to warn Ernest that he was next.

Ruh, Roh.

I'm planning on writing back to your long message, Brenda, but it was a long day and I don't know if I'll get to it tonight.

But I have to know what did the last line mean?

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Also you are getting pretty to good with old William there.

Maybe I'm blanking, but I can't figure out what that means in the context of what we're talking about, and I looked online to see if it was maybe an idiom I didn't know and drew a blank there.

I read your whole message. I will reply.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

Yeah, well. If haven't guessed by now. I hated the character with a passion.

Luckily Mollie didn't die and neither did Ernest. Many tribes have animals that can mean death or a message of death or just bring a message.

Oh, when people would be idiots about us being Indians. My dad would say it was, "Their problem." Because they couldn't or wouldn't try to understand things or putting people down. Stuff like that. They had some friends before I was born that were drinkers, my folks didn't like going out with them. They faded away. So that is what he meant.

You said, "We are all players on a "someone else's stage". It's a bit of a corruption of a line from Richard the Third one of William Shakespeare's plays.
"We are all just players on a stage. Full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing." is the line.

No worries.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 26, 2026 8:44 AM

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Yeah, well. If haven't guessed by now. I hated the character with a passion.

Ya think?

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Luckily Mollie didn't die and neither did Ernest. Many tribes have animals that can mean death or a message of death or just bring a message.

I know I have a funny story, maybe it was a funny scene from a movie or a TV show that matches this very explanation to a T, except it wasn't to do with Tribal Spirituality. It's like right on the tip of my tongue, but I can't get the memory over the finish line right now.

Something about somebody consulting god, or gods, or trying to get information from a higher power through some sort of totem or fetish, but they're either getting bad info from the gods or they're deciphering it wrong and they thought all of this horrible stuff was about to happen, but nothing does and it turned out the message was just something benign and completely unrelated.

Kinda like the Don't Forget To Drink Your Ovaltine scene from A Christmas Story, now that I think about it.

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Oh, when people would be idiots about us being Indians. My dad would say it was, "Their problem." Because they couldn't or wouldn't try to understand things or putting people down. Stuff like that. They had some friends before I was born that were drinkers, my folks didn't like going out with them. They faded away. So that is what he meant.

It's cool reading little things about your past like this, Brenda. Not in age at all, but in temperament, you remind me a lot of my Grams. She was a special woman. I only ever saw her cry one time when my Grandpa died when I was 5. She didn't let things bother her. She didn't let people bother her. She wasn't looking for an argument out of anybody. She knew God exists and that she was eventually going to meet him, so I think when she had that figured out for herself, everything else was just happily passing the time until that day. It was like she was sort of above it all, but never in a "snooty" way, just effortless. As if she wasn't even aware of how she carried herself.

"Their Problem".

You're damn right.

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You said, "We are all players on a "someone else's stage". It's a bit of a corruption of a line from Richard the Third one of William Shakespeare's plays.
"We are all just players on a stage. Full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing." is the line.

No worries.

Oh... My bad. I'm not very well read on Shakespeare. Though when you state that full line, I know I've either read it or heard it before, and it's probably where I came up with it, now that you mention it.

And I'm going to give it 80% odds that I'd heard the phrase from my Grams. And if that's the case, especially after her short term memory started going, she might have said it to me more than once.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

BRENDA

Sunday, July 26, 2026 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Yeah, well. If haven't guessed by now. I hated the character with a passion.

Ya think?

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Luckily Mollie didn't die and neither did Ernest. Many tribes have animals that can mean death or a message of death or just bring a message.

I know I have a funny story, maybe it was a funny scene from a movie or a TV show that matches this very explanation to a T, except it wasn't to do with Tribal Spirituality. It's like right on the tip of my tongue, but I can't get the memory over the finish line right now.

Something about somebody consulting god, or gods, or trying to get information from a higher power through some sort of totem or fetish, but they're either getting bad info from the gods or they're deciphering it wrong and they thought all of this horrible stuff was about to happen, but nothing does and it turned out the message was just something benign and completely unrelated.

Kinda like the Don't Forget To Drink Your Ovaltine scene from A Christmas Story, now that I think about it.

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Oh, when people would be idiots about us being Indians. My dad would say it was, "Their problem." Because they couldn't or wouldn't try to understand things or putting people down. Stuff like that. They had some friends before I was born that were drinkers, my folks didn't like going out with them. They faded away. So that is what he meant.

It's cool reading little things about your past like this, Brenda. Not in age at all, but in temperament, you remind me a lot of my Grams. She was a special woman. I only ever saw her cry one time when my Grandpa died when I was 5. She didn't let things bother her. She didn't let people bother her. She wasn't looking for an argument out of anybody. She knew God exists and that she was eventually going to meet him, so I think when she had that figured out for herself, everything else was just happily passing the time until that day. It was like she was sort of above it all, but never in a "snooty" way, just effortless. As if she wasn't even aware of how she carried herself.

"Their Problem".

You're damn right.

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You said, "We are all players on a "someone else's stage". It's a bit of a corruption of a line from Richard the Third one of William Shakespeare's plays.
"We are all just players on a stage. Full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing." is the line.

No worries.

Oh... My bad. I'm not very well read on Shakespeare. Though when you state that full line, I know I've either read it or heard it before, and it's probably where I came up with it, now that you mention it.

And I'm going to give it 80% odds that I'd heard the phrase from my Grams. And if that's the case, especially after her short term memory started going, she might have said it to me more than once.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

What can I say. The character was an a-hole.

Even Christians consulting god can get his messages wrong. Crossed wires happen.

Well, I try not to cry in front of people. It's just me. If I do it means something got to me and I didn't realize it.

Yes, I would say your grandmother was a special lady indeed.

Yup, my dad wasn't looking for a fight. He just wanted to live his life and look after his family and let people look after themselves.

I hopefully succeed in not looking for fights and live and let live. Don't know what my dad thought about death but I hope when my time comes I will be reunited with my parents, Blair, my dad's brothers and sisters along with meeting both sets of grandparents.

Don't worry about corrupting Shakespeare. A lot of people do that.

SECOND

Monday, July 27, 2026 6:22 AM

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Originally posted by Brenda:

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You said, "We are all players on a "someone else's stage". It's a bit of a corruption of a line from Richard the Third one of William Shakespeare's plays.
"We are all just players on a stage. Full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing." is the line.

No worries.

Don't worry about corrupting Shakespeare. A lot of people do that. I love the Bard and I probably got that line a little wrong myself.

I've seen Richard the Third done as a movie, so I sort of know the line.

Speech: “Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow”

By William Shakespeare

(from Macbeth, spoken by Macbeth)

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56964/speech-tomorrow-and-tomor
row-and-tomorrow

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

BRENDA

Monday, July 27, 2026 7:19 AM

Thank you Second.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, July 27, 2026 9:46 AM

That was actually really nice of you, Second.

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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.