Zoe & Wash's Last Name

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ALEXANDRIA

Monday, March 17, 2003 11:21 PM

Hi all,
I've been mostly lurking for a bit now but I thought I share something I found and see what the rest of ya think. IMDB.com has Zoe and Wash listed as Zoe Warren and Wash as Jerry Lee "Wash" Warren. Anebody know how accurate that is? The site already has Kaylee, Jayne and Inara's full names properly, so does this mean these are right too? Could this be something we were going to see in one of the unaired three?
What do you think?

SARAHETC

Monday, March 17, 2003 11:49 PM

I think it's a bunch of damned lies! Lies, I say!! Lies!

Warren, maybe, but as Unofficial Thread Editrix for "Alan is Hottie!" I say "Boo hiss" to Jerry Lee. Jerry Lee my foot.

And as to whether or not The Missing Three will tell us anything, there's a gag reel clip that says "This message is for Zoe. And for Malcolm Reynolds." No! Last! Name!

Bring it.

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

TALRIUS

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:12 AM

Sarah,

Why are you so adamant about not even entertaining the thought that Wash and Zoe's last names could be Warren and Wash's first and middle name being Jerry Lee?

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ASH:
Alright you bunch of primitives,
this- is my BOOM-stick!

SARAHETC

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Talrius:

Why are you so adamant about not even entertaining the thought that Wash and Zoe's last names could be Warren and Wash's first and middle name being Jerry Lee?

Well, the Warren part I don't have that big a problem with.

But, and this is no secret, I'm deeply in love with Wash. And his name just isn't Jerry Lee. It's a hillbilly name is he's not a hillbilly. I know this in my heart.

And I'd love to be proven wrong. When all this gets sorted out in movies or a miniseries or whatnot and it turns out his name really is Jerry Lee "Wash" Warren, I'll be the first one to eat my shoe.

But right now: Lies!

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

KAYTHRYN

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:24 AM

Maybe Wash just doesn’t have a last name. It's 500 years in the future, who knows what's going on. Maybe everyone's legal last name is just full of a bunch of numbers like our SS#. People only have spoken last names for the same reason people have middle names-- for no real reason. Just to pass on family heritage, and for something that sounds sweet after your first name. Just an idea.

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Jayne: Hey, I didn't fight in no war. Best of luck, though.

TALRIUS

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:25 AM

Okay. At least (If it's true.) you are willing to admit falt. Another question, will you sitll love him if his name is hillbilly Jerry Lee?

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ASH:
Alright you bunch of primitives, this-
is my BOOM-stick!

TALRIUS

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kaythryn:
Maybe Wash just doesn’t have a last name. It's 500 years in the future, who knows what's going on. Maybe everyone's legal last name is just full of a bunch of numbers like our SS#. People only have spoken last names for the same reason people have middle names-- for no real reason. Just to pass on family heritage, and for something that sounds sweet after your first name. Just an idea.

Interesting theory. So what's your numerical last name? Mine, I'm leaning tward 174 or 656.

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ASH:
Alright you bunch of primitives, this-
is my BOOM-stick!

KAYTHRYN

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:54 AM

I'm thinking I'm Kaythryn 008. The original Bond's sidekick. License to kill.
That might come in handy if we raid FOX for those unaired eps.
Ah, what wishful thinking.

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Jayne: Hey, I didn't fight in no war. Best of luck, though.

MELEE

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 1:45 AM

I'm with Sarah on this one:

LIIIIIIEES!

And anyways, Buffyscripts.net posted the original shooting script for OMR, and Mal says Kaylee, NOT JERRY LEE! NO HILLBILLY WASH!

SARAHETC

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 1:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Talrius:
Okay. At least (If it's true.) you are willing to admit falt. Another question, will you sitll love him if his name is hillbilly Jerry Lee?

I don't know. That could be the first rough patch in our entirely fantastic love story.

I would still love him with a hillbilly name because he has shed the hillbilly essentiality that it ensconced.

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

SAINTOFCHEESE

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 2:19 AM

i don't like to think of Wash as a Jerry Lee. I said before i wish his name was just WAsh. seems fine to me. But I just wonder where IMDB came up with that. And i do want to know truth and a full name.

I'll settle for him havin' a real name as long as i can still think of him as Wash.

wash wash wash wash wash wash wash wash wash.

sorry... I can't help it. wash wash wash wash wash

~*Saint of Cheese*~

TALRIUS

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sarahetc:
I don't know. That could be the first rough patch in our entirely fantastic love story.

I would still love him with a hillbilly name because he has shed the hillbilly essentiality that it ensconced.

Sarah,

I wish you a happy fantasy

, with you hillbilly love.

And yes if he is a hillbilly he has hidden it very well, perhaps he's an intelligent hillbilly. Is that posible?

I'm Talrius656, Muhaha, mine is an evil laugh.

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ASH:
Alright you bunch of primitives, this-
is my BOOM-stick!

TALRIUS

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kaythryn:
I'm thinking I'm Kaythryn 008. The original Bond's sidekick. License to kill.
That might come in handy if we raid FOX for those unaired eps.
Ah, what wishful thinking.

Oooo, a Bond fan, Which is your favorite Bond? I think that the best Bond has been Conery. Although if they gave Broznin better scripts he would replace Conery.

What's this I hear about a night raid on Fox? Is their a special code or hand shake to get in? Do we get code names?

Quote:
Originally posted by Melee:

And anyways, Buffyscripts.net posted the original shooting script for OMR, and Mal says Kaylee, NOT JERRY LEE! NO HILLBILLY WASH!

I thought Mal called Wash, Jerry Lee in "Serenity". I might be wrong, have been before.

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ASH:
Alright you bunch of primitives, this
is my BOOM-stick!

LORA

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:53 AM

If his given name really were hideous then it would make perfect sense that he go for any nickname he could get. Like 'Wash'.

I do not claim a huge store of creativity, but it makes more sense to me that his name has 'Washington' in it, or something that phonetically shortens to 'Wash' the same way Kaywithrin Lee shortens to Kaylee. And Zoe does not need a last name. She is like Madonna or Cher, because she chooses to be, because she wanted to leave her life before the war behind.

Or, how's this: her first name is Zo and her last name is Ee! (May not be the most apt thing I ever typed, but I know it is not the least.)

"Is there any way I'm gonna get out of this with honor and dignity?" Zoe, War Stories

KAYTHRYN

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 4:14 AM

Talrius,
Personally I'm a Indiana Jones fan but he doesn’t have a number like Bond.
I'd have to agree with you, Conery was the best Bond, but it's not like he had much competition. All the other Bond's were lightweights, Broznin being the lightweights water boy. Yuck, don’t get me started on him.
Oh, and check out this thread for FOX raid info.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=1685#14437
We have yet to come up with a hand shake, I think we definitely need code names, and we are still lacking some kind of fire power. And maybe a contortionist like in Oceans 11. Yeah, that'd be cool. Anyone really into yoga and willing to stuff themselves into a little box to be snuck into FOX studios???

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Jayne: Hey, I didn't fight in no war. Best of luck, though.

TALRIUS

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 4:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kaythryn:
Talrius,
Personally I'm a Indiana Jones fan but he doesn’t have a number like Bond.
I'd have to agree with you, Conery was the best Bond, but it's not like he had much competition. All the other Bond's were lightweights, Broznin being the lightweights water boy. Yuck, don’t get me started on him.

So you dig Harrison? I disagree with you on Broznin he has that suaveity(Not a real word) that is Bond, he just hasn't had a good script to express it. Broznin fits the profile to a 'T'.

Quote:

Oh, and check out this thread for FOX raid info.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=1685#14437
We have yet to come up with a hand shake, I think we definitely need code names, and we are still lacking some kind of fire power. And maybe a contortionist like in Oceans 11. Yeah, that'd be cool. Anyone really into yoga and willing to stuff themselves into a little box to be snuck into FOX studios???

Well I'm not a contortionist but I'am an unnaturally quiet man and it's been said that I scare people. Okay just one year-olds.

But I am a quiet person that walks soft when I choose to, I scare people that way, really, they just don't know I'm there.

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ASH:
Alright you bunch of primitives, this-
is my BOOM-stick!

ALCHEMY

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 4:45 AM

In the episode Our Mrs. Reynolds, Mal does call Wash Jerry Lee. Just after they got through the space net, Mal returns to the deck where Wash is. Wash says, "It isn't pretty but they got navigational back so that they can turn around." Mal says, "Good work, Jerry Lee."

TALRIUS

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 4:50 AM

Thank you I couldn't remember the context of the line or what episode it aired in. I was wrong again.

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ASH:
Alright you bunch of primitives, this-
is my BOOM-stick!

NOOCYTE

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 5:03 AM

Now, friends, I might be hallucinating (wouldn't be the first time, and who am I to turn down the free entertainment)...but it seemed to me that, in Our Mrs. Reynolds, right after they clear the net, and before Kaylee (mmmmm...Kayleeee...) laments that she didn't get nav control in time to do any good, that Mal says: "Nice work, Jerry Lee," Could just be Mal-mumble for "Kaylee," mind you, and I invite y'all to bend your ears to the snippet.

I for one am cool with Jerry Lee. Maybe if he'd kept the moustache and the Hawaiian shirt, not so much...

Edited to say: I really should learn to type more rapidly! Thanx, Alchemy!

Department of Redundancy Department

KAYTHRYN

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 2:15 PM

I am tired of hearing this debate and I am putting my foot down. Mal said Kaylee! Kaylee I'm telling you!

OMR--
Wash: We got it!
(Mal walks on the bridge just after they got past the net.)
Wash: It’s not pretty but we can steer enough to turn the hell around.
Mal: Nice work Kaylee.
(Cause just after they get out of the net she fixed the nav controls so they can steer.)
Kaylee replies: Wasn't soon enough to help.
Mal: Hey, lot easier to pull things apart than it is to make em’ right. You're still the best damn Mechanic floating.

Ha! I feel better now.

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Jayne: Hey, I didn't fight in no war. Best of luck, though.

KAYTHRYN

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Talrius:
So you dig Harrison? I disagree with you on Broznin he has that suaveity(Not a real word) that is Bond, he just hasn't had a good script to express it. Broznin fits the profile to a 'T'.

I make a point to separate characters from actors. I love Indiana Jones, but I'm not that crazy about Ford Harrison. Maybe his early work but after that I think it all went down hill. Maybe not his acting, but the scripts, and it's difficult to do a good movie without a little of both.
About Broznin, I will never agree. I will not be pulled over to the evil side. His "suaveity" comes off as arrogant and his hair is greasy. Arrogant greasy hair boy will never be Bond for me.
For our raid, you know, I think we could use a quiet scary type. Maybe you could sneak in and scare the FOX executives children. That would be a nice second diversion after Melee’s wild loose mongoose. Hey, somebody has got to bring a camera!

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Jayne: Hey, I didn't fight in no war. Best of luck, though.

ALCHEMY

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 8:26 PM

There is a site one can go to that has all the transcripts for the Firefly episodes. They are still working on the one for Serenity but Our Mrs. Reynolds is there. The site is:

http://firefly.shriftweb.org/transcripts.shtml

Cool page if one wants to read the episodes.

TALRIUS

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:04 AM

For some reason little babies just don't like me, perhaps it's 'cause I don't like them? It's not like I hate them or afraid to have one it, but they're tedious. I personally have no compassion or tolorence for helpless people or when I have to repeat myself to someone constantly, hello mcfly? I'm sure my stance will change when I have one, but for now I'll stay my self-reliant, loner self.

Can't wait to raid FOX though, cause Chaos, Muhaha.

Mentioning FF sites anyone else seen that trekvideo is down? I know the owner posts here some times so if your reading this what is up man?

ALEXANDRIA

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Talrius:

Mentioning FF sites anyone else seen that trekvideo is down? I know the owner posts here some times so if your reading this what is up man?

Yeah, I've noticed that too, Any one know what happened? I love that site!

TALRIUS

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:25 AM

Perhaps we're the only two aware of this?

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Ya know why I picked Dobson as my Avatar? 'Cause he looked all kinds of lonely. Poor guy was only doin' his job.

SARAHETC

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Alchemy:
There is a site one can go to that has all the transcripts for the Firefly episodes. They are still working on the one for Serenity but Our Mrs. Reynolds is there. The site is:

http://firefly.shriftweb.org/transcripts.shtml

Cool page if one wants to read the episodes.

You said the magic word: Transcripts.

The actual script as posted at buffyscripts.net says "Kaylee."

Also, thank you Kaythryn for your vehemence and for putting your foot down and I will back you up.

So, it's Kaylee, not Jerry Lee. And Lora is right: it MUST be some kind of diminutive for "Washington." Washington Warren has a kind a poetry to it-- rich boy from the core who learned to fly and left behind that crap for a life of independence.

Kaylee. Kaylee. Kaylee.

Wash. Wash. Wash.

Thus spake Sarah, wishing somebody else would make dinner for a change.

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

TALRIUS

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:54 AM

Sarah,

I keep hearin' Jerry Lee when I watch OMR perhaps it's a blooper, he might have ment to say Kaylee and the script said Kaylee but Nate accidently said Jerry Lee instead. Or maybe you're destined to love a hillbilly.

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Ya know why I picked Dobson as my Avatar? 'Cause he looked all kinds of lonely. Poor guy was only doin' his job.

SARAHETC

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Talrius:
Sarah,

I keep hearin' Jerry Lee when I watch OMR perhaps it's a blooper, he might have ment to say Kaylee and the script said Kaylee but Nate accidently said Jerry Lee instead. Or maybe you're destined to love a hillbilly.

Maybe your ears need schoolin'. I've watched OMR at least 10 times and I've heard both. We're watching "Jaynestown" tonight. If we have time to watch anything else, I'll make sure it's OMR.

As for my hillbilly destiny, I do live in Alabama. I'm married to a native Alabaman. He didn't live outside the south until he was 25 years old, and only then on account of me. I went to school in Appalachia. I can dig hillbilly.

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

BRTICK

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:18 AM

That don't make any sense. I always figured wash last name was Washington. And Jerry Lee? That doesn’t sound very whedonesque. nope.

Keep Flying!

TALRIUS

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:19 AM

Whoa. I live in the Pacific Northwest, haven't all my life, I was born here then moved out to North and South Dakota for awile, and then came back. I guess I'm stuck here now. These Washatonian's still refuse to accept me as their God though.

Sorry just some delusions of grandure.

KAYTHRYN

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:10 AM

I must of come into this late.
Where did we get Washington for Washs last name? I mean get where you are seeing it, but is the WASH-WASHington connection all we have or was it written in some script?

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Jayne: Hey, I didn't fight in no war. Best of luck, though.

SARAHETC

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Talrius:
Whoa. These Washatonian's still refuse to accept me as their God though.

Are you saying 'whoa' at me?

As for you latent deification, I feel for you. Do they not recognize your power? I know what it is--they have not yet tasted of your wrath. Tickle 'em with a little bit of that and I suspect it'll be nothing but bowing and scraping and obsequiousness there on out.

Sarah

Yeah, I know, I probably spelled obsequiousness wrong.

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

TALRIUS

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sarahetc:
Are you saying 'whoa' at me?

Yeah I was sayin' whoa to you, I kinda live in ignorance on this board. I know I'm talking to people all over the US and in other countries, but to me it's like holding a conversation with friends right in front of you, around the table kinda. And then finding out that that person is a few million miles away, it's mind boggling.

Sorry FireFlyFans is the first time I have ever had contact with people on the web. And growing up in the internet era that is amazing.

You spelt obsequiousness right. Perhaps I will make it rain seedless watermelons or pumpkin pie, I like pie.

That will really get that fawning goin'. Well maybe the starving bumbs.

SARAHETC

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:54 PM

Last I heard, Alabama wasn't a few million miles from Washington. Hell and gone, maybe, but not a million.

As for wrath, I vote pie. I would even visit Washington if I knew it were going to rain cheesecake.

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

TALRIUS

Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sarahetc:
Last I heard, Alabama wasn't a few million miles from Washington. Hell and gone, maybe, but not a million.

I was bein' broad and the like. Didn't want to be excluding people.

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As for wrath, I vote pie. I would even visit Washington if I knew it were going to rain cheesecake.

Pie it is!

TEXJUNKIE

Friday, March 21, 2003 8:32 PM

How about this- in an episode pre-dating the current timeline but after Wash joins the crew we discover what "bothered" Zoe was his B.O. She refuses to speak to him about anything other than ship business (or even be in his presence), instead rebuffing his attempts at conversation with a simple "Wash". Only when he breaks down and takes a shower (and loses the soup strainer) does she finally come around. But in the tradition of all great nicknames, "Wash" just kinda sticks.

TALRIUS

Friday, March 21, 2003 10:11 PM

Interesting theory. Better than Wash being short for Washington.

SARAHETC

Saturday, March 22, 2003 1:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Talrius:
Interesting theory. Better than Wash being short for Washington.

Not better at all! No no no. Wash is beautiful and wonderful and has shiny hygiene.

Y'all go bother some other thread and leave us Valkyries to our fantasies!

,
Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

KAYTHRYN

Saturday, March 22, 2003 3:12 AM

Sarahetc, maybe Wash is Zoë’s nickname for him, it could stand for Wondrously Astoundingly Sexy Human.
Or maybe it could be Whimsically, Uproariously, Superbly, Humorous.
Or- Warm, Adoring, Sizeable, and Hilarious.
Possibly even- Wonderfully, Amazingly, Skillfully, Handsome.
Alright, I don’t really think so, I’m betting his family just had a sense of humor. If there are people out there willing to juggle geese, I’m betting there are people willing to just name their kid Wash. By the way, I like it. But don't worry Sarahetc, I’m strictly a "for Simon" type of gal. Oh that man is hot!

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Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.
Albert Einstein

XENARC

Saturday, March 22, 2003 3:28 AM

Kaythryn wrote: Monday, March 17, 2003 18:14
>>Anyone really into yoga and willing to stuff themselves into a little box to be snuck into FOX studios???

Ohh hey! Sure, I knew I had to be good for something. Anything for a good cause!

ZenArc

TALRIUS

Sunday, March 23, 2003 12:15 AM

Whoa. Sarah calm down.

I was only sayin' that it was a new and interesting theory. I personally don't buy the Wash = Washington bull, that's all. Even though I'm a guy, I agree Wash is wonderful and has shiny hygiene too.

Boy, did we ever get off subject. But such is the way of things when you communicate. What was this thread about again?

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ASH:
Alright you bunch of primitives, this-
is my BOOM-stick!

SARAHETC

Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Talrius:
Whoa. Sarah calm down.

I was only sayin' that it was a new and interesting theory. I personally don't buy the Wash = Washington bull, that's all. Even though I'm a guy, I agree Wash is wonderful and has shiny hygiene too.

Boy, did we ever get off subject. But such is the way of things when you communicate. What was this thread about again?

I refuse to stand idly by while TexJunkie calls into question the personal habits of the entirely fictional love of my life.

I'm worked up! We should all get worked up! We should get out the old postcards and start sending them, but this time asking questions like, "What the rut is Wash's real whole name?" "Will we ever know if Zoe took his name and if so, what her maiden name was?" "Is Wash ever going to surprise Sarah at work and take her to Surin West to eat futomaki and red curry duck and sweet tea!?

I know, I know. I should go soak my head.

But thank you for backing me up with the hygiene. I got your back on whatever it is you need getting. Within reason. Or without. Your call.

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

TALLGUY

Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:57 PM

As one pilot to another, I always reckoned that Wash was short for Jet Wash. But that's just me.

As to thier last name (assuming Zoe took Wash's last name... It could happen...) I think it's all manner of obvious: Wash Jeadon!

Bill
"We all know I'm the funny one."
"You ain't all that funny."

TALLGUY

Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:58 PM

And this high fangled internet thing managed to post my words twice. Oops.

SARAHETC

Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TallGuy:
As one pilot to another, I always reckoned that Wash was short for Jet Wash. But that's just me.

I must know more! Tell me about pilots and nicknames and piloty things or I'll be forced to demand you take me out to lunch.

Also, Jeadon? I don't get it.

But that's not the first time that's happened and I suspect it won't be the last.

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

TALRIUS

Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sarahetc:
I refuse to stand idly by while TexJunkie calls into question the personal habits of the entirely fictional love of my life.

I'm sure TexJunkie is sorry and if not he/she should be. You should know never insult Sarah's fantasy man.

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I'm worked up! We should all get worked up! We should get out the old postcards and start sending them, but this time asking questions like, "What the rut is Wash's real whole name?" "Will we ever know if Zoe took his name and if so, what her maiden name was?" "Is Wash ever going to surprise Sarah at work and take her to Surin West to eat futomaki and red curry duck and sweet tea!?

Yah, we should do that with every unanswered question. Better yet they should just release the FF bible to us ravenous fans.

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I know, I know. I should go soak my head.

No, no if our dreams die what's the point of livin'? Just keep flyin' Sarah no matter how outlandish the dream may be, always move further than the long arm of the Alliance-Fox.

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But thank you for backing me up with the hygiene. I got your back on whatever it is you need getting. Within reason. Or without. Your call.

Hey I'll always back you up. I'll have to think on what I could do to have you back me up on.

TALLGUY

Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sarahetc:

I must know more! Tell me about pilots and nicknames and piloty things or I'll be forced to demand you take me out to lunch.

There's nothing terribly concrete here, it's just that pilots tend to pick up nicknames the way other folk breathe. And "Wash" sounded awfully pilot-y to me. (And once in flight school, I was laconic!) Wash, wake (as in ship's wake), contrails. Wash being short for Washington would seem a might anti-climactic to me.

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Also, Jeadon? I don't get it.

My friends and I have spectulated that WASH sounds an awful bunch like JOSS. Since we all know that Xander Harris is Joss Whedon in High School we just got terrrible suspicious that Wash FunkyLastName is Joss flying a spaceship. So Joss Whedon became Wash Jeadon.

I know, it really wasn't funny enough to be explained in such depth. But then, look at my sig.

"We all know I'm the funny one."
"You ain't all that funny."

SARAHETC

Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Talrius:

Quote:
I know, I know. I should go soak my head.

No, no if our dreams die what's the point of livin'? Just keep flyin' Sarah no matter how outlandish the dream may be, always move further than the long arm of the Alliance-Fox.

That's the ticket, right there. Thanks for saying.

There's really no question in my mind that we'll get to know the whole story. I can't even claim faith in Joss or anything like that, since this is really the first Jossverse story I've followed. I just know though, in my heart and in my bones, that this story cannot go untold.

And I'm hear, every day. Lighting candles and posting.

And thinking Browncoat thoughts.

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

SARAHETC

Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TallGuy:
There's nothing terribly concrete here, it's just that pilots tend to pick up nicknames the way other folk breathe. And "Wash" sounded awfully pilot-y to me. (And once in flight school, I was laconic!) Wash, wake (as in ship's wake), contrails. Wash being short for Washington would seem a might anti-climactic to me.

Do you think this nickname thing would stick, even for his wife? Seems logical enough to me, just making sure.

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My friends and I have spectulated that WASH sounds an awful bunch like JOSS. Since we all know that Xander Harris is Joss Whedon in High School we just got terrrible suspicious that Wash FunkyLastName is Joss flying a spaceship. So Joss Whedon became Wash Jeadon.

Heh. That's a real thigh slapper! Seriously, thanks for the explanation. Sarah, etc: Super Genius. Damn glad to meet you.

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

TALRIUS

Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sarahetc:

And I'm hear, every day. Lighting candles and posting.

And thinking Browncoat thoughts.

Me too, only not with the lighting candles thing. What is it with women and the candles anyway?

I just became a Buffy and Angel fan. Kinda distressed about the use of Magic in every episode, anyone else think it's a crutch to move the story on, like technology in Star Trek? I personally think Buffy ended when she took the high dive off the steel grating in season 5 or 6, forget which one it was. It seemed the plot lines took a high dive with Buffy.

SAINTOFCHEESE

Monday, March 24, 2003 12:05 AM

oo.. candles. We should all create big firefly shrines with lots of shiny candles. But i shouldn't be allowed near them, since i'm well known for catching my hair on fire.

Either that or we could just use the candles to erm... avenge our show by lighting Fox on fire? (hey.. i did rip up a fox add in a local paper. My friends wanted to kill me for being obsessive, but it made me feel better. Maybe next time i'll burn the adds and catch my hair on fire.)

~*Saint of Cheese*~

SARAHETC

Monday, March 24, 2003 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by Sarahetc:

And I'm hear, every day. Lighting candles and posting.

And thinking Browncoat thoughts.

Me too, only not with the lighting candles thing. What is it with women and the candles anyway?

Your poor testosterone-warped heart would never understand.

Actually, I don't physically light candles. It's a metaphoric reference to the religious (Catholic) lighting of candles for prayer.

I have a couple candles around the house, mostly just for looks. Haven't burnt them in earnest since college and that was just to cover up the smell of the... you know.

Meanwhile, last names and love affairs!

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

TALRIUS

Monday, March 24, 2003 2:40 AM

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Originally posted by Sarahetc:
It's a metaphoric reference to the religious (Catholic) lighting of candles for prayer.

You Catholic?

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Haven't burnt them in earnest since college and that was just to cover up the smell of the... you know.

Ah, but you didn't inhale, right?

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Meanwhile, last names and love affairs!

Alright I'll confide something with you, (and everyone else reading this post). I am absolutely in love with Jewel Staite and Kaylee too. Got my own fantasy goin'. Everyone's got one.

SARAHETC

Monday, March 24, 2003 3:05 AM

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Originally posted by Talrius:

You Catholic?

Used to be. And may be again soon.

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Ah, but you didn't inhale, right?
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What me, inhale?

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Alright I'll confide something with you, (and everyone else reading this post). I am absolutely in love with Jewel Staite and Kaylee too. Got my own fantasy goin'. Everyone's got one.

In my fantasy, I can't get past the part where we run toward each other like a movie from the 70s and embrace, practically weeping with joy.

How big a goober am I, that my movie star fantasies stop at hugging. Well, there'll probably be compliments too.

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

KAYTHRYN

Monday, March 24, 2003 3:28 AM

Sarah,
You're not a goober. Well maybe you are, but it doesn’t sound like a bad thing to be. Goobers are chocolate covered peanuts right? Yummy. Anyway, your fantasy is your fantasy. I've got a few that end with hugs... and other stuff. There's an interesting thread. What's your firefly fantasy?

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Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.
Albert Einstein

SARAHETC

Monday, March 24, 2003 4:12 AM

I am a goober. I'm a big geek.

Maybe I'm just lame. Maybe I'm insecure and egomaniacal and....

Yow. Somebody was talking about pie. Let's have that and hugging and compliments!

Kaythryn, what's your fantasy?

Let me try:

"Excuse me, Doc?" Kaythryn hung on the door to the infirmary, looking paler than normal.

"Yes?" Doctor Tam turned, stylus still in hand from where he had been making notes.

"It's nothing, really," Kaythryn tried to step over the threshhold but began to sway. In a flash, Simon was next to her, supporting her. "It's just, it's this stupid knee is all. Turned it the other day and it's only getting worse."

"Let me see," he said, leading her to the examination table. In one practiced motion he swept up her pants leg, revealing a harshly bruised knee.

"I've seen worse," he grinned up at her, dark eyes flashing.

"Oh yeah?"

"Yes." He touched her shin and electricity sizzled up and down her leg. He grinned, his lips slightly lopsided, looking boyish.

...

Okay... really got to stop. Really getting out of hand.

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

PHILOMEL

Monday, March 24, 2003 4:20 AM

Now I have to confess my fantasy??? Now there's a fantasy confessional thread?? No one ever told me I'd have to confess ....

Argh!!!

Incidentally, I subscribe to the Washington theory. I realize it's boring, but I'm kind of the boring type, and while I like the idea of a nickname, I woulda thunk his wife would call him by his actual name.

As for Jerry Lee? If he had said it, I just assumed Jerry Lee was a reference to some hotshot famous pilot, and Mal was congratulating him--y'know, like if you were ... I dunno, like, if you were a hockey player, and your captain referred to you as Gretzky, even though your name was really Ben.

Um, I'm getting those looks, kinda like I'm speaking in Riverspeak. I'll go 'way now and be quiet. Maybe I'll hunt rabbits. Or light a candle .

Phil. (lurking like mad while watching the Oscars and enjoying every bit)

PHILOMEL

Monday, March 24, 2003 4:24 AM

Oh, cool, we can create fantasies for others? Neat! I like that!!

And Sarah, the geeks rule the earth. Nothing wrong with being a geek, nothing at all! Best people I know. :-)

Phil. (a geek)

KAYTHRYN

Monday, March 24, 2003 4:43 AM

Sarah,
Oh...
*Fans herself with a nearby book*
Yup, you've made me blush and go weak in the knees. In other words- yeah, that was my fantasy. Can’t...write...to preoccupied... with...Dr. Tam’s... dark eyes and... boyish smile. I’ll be in my bunk.

-Hey, and if geeks write the kind of stories I know you Sarah, and you Philomel to write, well then more power to you!

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Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.
Albert Einstein

TALRIUS

Monday, March 24, 2003 4:59 AM

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Originally posted by Sarahetc:
How big a goober am I, that my movie star fantasies stop at hugging. Well, there'll probably be compliments too.

That's just means you're not as perverted as others, myself included w/ those pervs. I fantasize about being a big damn hero and Kaylee fawns over me. And maybe Summer Glau too, not in River Character though, always been partial to dancers. See if I keep goin' the whole female cast will be in my fantasy, told you I was a perv.

TALRIUS

Monday, March 24, 2003 5:07 AM

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Originally posted by Philomel:
Nothing wrong with being a geek, nothing at all! Best people I know. :-)

Of course there's nothing wrong with being a geek.
We rule the universe, jocks ruled in high school and Geeks rule after. That whole, "These are the best years of your life" rubbish was just an angry Cheerleader mad that she was no longer on top. Sorry still holding on to some animosity from high school.

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Phil. (a geek)

Hey another Phil, been a long time since I've seen that name, besides on my personal documents.

SARAHETC

Monday, March 24, 2003 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by Talrius:

Of course there's nothing wrong with being a geek.
We rule the universe, jocks ruled in high school and Geeks rule after. That whole, "These are the best years of your life" rubbish was just an angry Cheerleader mad that she was no longer on top. Sorry still holding on to some animosity from high school.

I'm sure it's legitimate animosity man. I did videography for a prom Saturday night and wow--strange all over. Eerie-ass, even.

Got to reinforcing my general thought that I won't go to a HS reunion. I was a band-star trek-drama-chessclub geek and Browncoats, at BHS it did not get much geekier than that.

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

TALRIUS

Monday, March 24, 2003 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by Sarahetc:
Got to reinforcing my general thought that I won't go to a HS reunion.

You and me both. Why would I want to see a bunch of people I really didn't care about when I was in High School? Call me crazy but, it's a bit like sticking bamboo shutes in the finger nails not an experience one would desire.

TALRIUS

Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:30 PM

Hey Sarah,

Can I use you as a beta reader for my fan fic?

SARAHETC

Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by Talrius:

Can I use you as a beta reader for my fan fic?

Yes. If you promise to be a man about it and not cry when I tell you that there's a difference between "to" and "too."

Email's in the profile. Send as a microsoft word attachment if you please. My turnaround time is usually pretty good, but expect 7 days just to be on the safe side. It'll depend on whether or not I'm making much headway with the new BC.

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

TALRIUS

Wednesday, March 26, 2003 2:31 AM

Thank you Sarah.

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Originally posted by Sarahetc:
Yes. If you promise to be a man about it and not cry when I tell you that there's a difference between "to" and "too."

No problem with that, I want both barrels, kinda a prefectionist.

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My turnaround time is usually pretty good, but expect 7 days just to be on the safe side.

I'm nearing the end of my first part, of four. So in a couple of days expect to see it in your box. I warn you though it's gonna be dark and violent, but I'm planning major character development with River and Mal.

INVISIBLEGREEN

Sunday, April 20, 2003 9:16 PM

I read an Angel article recently mentioning that Gina played "Zoe Warren" on Firefly, so I guess its true. But if they never actually used the name in the series, you can't really take it for granted.

RIVERSIDE

Sunday, April 20, 2003 11:40 PM

>Sarahetc wrote:
>Got to reinforcing my general thought that I >won't go to a HS reunion. I was a band-star trek->drama-chessclub geek and Browncoats, at BHS it >did not get much geekier than that.

My 10 yr. came up last year...did not even cross my mind to go. Not only was I a chessclub/star treak/heavy metal/stephen king weirdo...but my friends and I started our own club...The Sci-Fi Fantasy Horror club, which incorporated all the geek interests in literature, movie and gaming forms....not so affectionately known by the general populace of the school as The Satanist Club. They just didn't get us. ;-)
As for the topic of this thread I never saw any hint of any name but Wash in the series..although for awhile I thought they were saying Walsh...wrong, but there ya go.

WILDMAN45690

Sunday, April 20, 2003 11:51 PM

I've watched that ep several times and to be honest with you at different times I'd swear I've heard both "Kaylee" and "Jerry Lee". Even if Wash's given name is Jerry Lee it's obvious that he prefers Wash and Wash he is.

WILDMAN45690

Monday, April 21, 2003 12:02 AM

So I'm not the only one who has heard both "Kaylee" and "Jerry Lee" in OMR. Guess I'm not going crazy after all!!

SARAHETC

Monday, April 21, 2003 2:45 AM

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Originally posted by wildman45690:
So I'm not the only one who has heard both "Kaylee" and "Jerry Lee" in OMR. Guess I'm not going crazy after all!!

Nope. You're very slowly going very sane. Maybe even cheerful land sane. It's the opposite of tragic space dementia.

Thank you for being on the side of right and truth. I've said it before and I'll say it as often as the heathens need to hear it: Jerry Lee my foot!

Now for the pie and hugging?

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

TALRIUS

Monday, April 21, 2003 5:17 AM

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Originally posted by Sarahetc:
Nope. You're very slowly going very sane. Maybe even cheerful land sane. It's the opposite of tragic space dementia.

Being insane is better than being sane.

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I've said it before and I'll say it as often as the heathens need to hear it: Jerry Lee my foot!

One thing you must know about Sarah she'll never accept Jerry Lee. I'd bet she'd go toe-to-toe with Joss; if the name is real, and convince him to change it.

TALRIUS

Monday, April 21, 2003 5:21 AM

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Originally posted by Sarahetc:
I've said it before and I'll say it as often as the heathens need to hear it: Jerry Lee my foot!

Heathens?! Sarah? You're calling us heathens now? NO pie. Maybe a hug, but absolutly No pie. Go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.

KAYTHRYN

Monday, April 21, 2003 5:58 AM

Talrius,
I was going to offer you Goddom. A divine rank with Kayt, the goddess of polka-dotted Easter eggs, and Wulf (who has yet to decide on his holiday). But since you are denying pie to Sarah, I have to revoke my offer. I’m sorry.

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle

LERXST

Monday, April 21, 2003 6:02 AM

For what it's worth, it sounds to me like he said Kaylee Lee. I'm thinking it was just a little verbal slip that made it past editing.

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Cap'n, can I have money for a slinky dress?

KAYTHRYN

Monday, April 21, 2003 6:06 AM

Isn't kaylee's middle name "Lee"?

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle

TALRIUS

Monday, April 21, 2003 3:52 PM

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Originally posted by Kaythryn:
Isn't kaylee's middle name "Lee"?

Kaywinnit Lee Frye.

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Originally posted by Kaythryn:
I was going to offer you Goddom. A divine rank with Kayt, the goddess of polka-dotted Easter eggs, and Wulf (who has yet to decide on his holiday). But since you are denying pie to Sarah, I have to revoke my offer. I’m sorry.

Kaythryn, I already have Goddom.

As the self proclaimed pie god of Washington state (See earlier post between me and Sarah, above.)I felt I'd withhold her pie so she could think on her actions. I admit, I'm in the wrong and Sarah's pie will be returned to her promtly. Maybe I'll send her one, but it might end up all smush-ed by the time it reaches her in Alabama.

Still, heathens? That was kinda harsh.

TALRIUS

Tuesday, April 22, 2003 6:16 AM

Hmm.

TALRIUS

Tuesday, April 22, 2003 6:33 AM

JERRY LEE WARREN, YEAH.

DUTCH

Friday, May 16, 2003 5:46 PM

I'm sorry, but whenever I hear the name Warren, one quote springs to mind..

"Have you seen my baseball?"

KYOBONITSUKI

Friday, May 16, 2003 7:02 PM

i think you're all crazy to get this worked up over his name.

imdb does its cast posts from production material - that makes it as official as anything we have.

the only way to undo that would be a conflicting statement in the show - which isn't happening any time soon.

jerry lee warren - yeah it's a crappy name - but he's a texan - `least the actor is, and texans often have crappy names. that's why he goes by wash.

maybe he was adirty kid. looked like a surfer when he came on board - maybe he eschewed the shower until mal got pissed and yelled at him to "wash!"

least thats my theory.

cheers

matt

p.s. let it be known that i for one, greatly enjoy the character of kaylee - even tho polls show that most of you don't!

CAPTBAGGYTROUSERS

Friday, May 16, 2003 7:47 PM

Yeah, not a big deal either way. I feel that anything that's not said on the show itself isn't necessarily canon. IMDB is good, but not infallible by any means.

If "Jerry Lee Warren" were correct it would mean Wash and Kaywinnit Lee "Kaylee" Frye have the same middle name. That's a little odd, but not that unlikely a choice since Anglo and Chinese cultures dominate in the "New West."

Kaylee is my favorite character too, by the way. Not just because I have a huge crush on her.

That is a factor, however.

KYOBONITSUKI

Friday, May 16, 2003 8:24 PM

yeah - sux that she got/is getting hitched.

hopefully it won't last and she'll be all heart broken and needy. well of course - meeting her in a social setting might prove useful as well.

cheers

matt

p.s. let it be known that i for one, greatly enjoy the character of kaylee - even tho polls show that most of you don't!

SARAHETC

Friday, May 16, 2003 8:40 PM

Y'all can try to turn this into a "Kaylee is Hot" thread all you like but it does not change the fact that Wash's full actual name is not Jerry Lee Warren.

It's not. Why're you still arguin' what already been decided?

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

KAYTHRYN

Saturday, May 17, 2003 1:19 AM

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Posted by Kyobonitsuki:
i think you're all crazy to get this worked up over his name.

Uh... you’re crazy too then.

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KAYTHRYN

Saturday, May 17, 2003 1:19 AM

Sorry, double post.

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle

TALRIUS

Saturday, May 17, 2003 1:28 AM

I just thought I was going crazy.

And why the hell can't we change this into a 'Hot for Kaylee' thread? If this Jerry Lee Warren business has already been decided on then why can't this thread evolve into a Kaylee obsession?

And yeah it sucks that she's out of the sea.... I wish her the best.

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DOBSON: I'm supposed to be meeting my wife's sister. I've only got a few days to see her...

ZOE: I wish there was another way...

DOBSON: Oh, no, no. That woman is like a dragon. I mean, I believe she has a tail. If there's any other moons we need to visit, or if we could just
fly very slowly...

KAYTHRYN

Saturday, May 17, 2003 1:34 AM

I have no problem with this turning into a Simon lusting thread.

...hello? Hello? Come on. I can't be the only one out there.

Fine, 'Hot for Kaylee' thread. Where's HFK, he's the expert on this topic.

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle

TALRIUS

Saturday, May 17, 2003 1:37 AM

Why can't it be both?

I'm antsy in anticipation for the specially natured 'Message' episode. I might be thinkin' Simon and Kaylee moment.

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DOBSON: I'm supposed to be meeting my wife's sister. I've only got a few days to see her...

ZOE: I wish there was another way...

DOBSON: Oh, no, no. That woman is like a dragon. I mean, I believe she has a tail. If there's any other moons we need to visit, or if we could just
fly very slowly...

KYOBONITSUKI

Saturday, May 17, 2003 3:26 AM

you are right it has been decided - his name is jerry lee warren - great balls of fire!

it's in the production material apparently as it's been quoted that way in more than one place.

sorry it's so important for you to not accept this - and as he doesn't really exist it's really moot.

jerry lee warren jerry lee warren jerry lee warren jerry lee warren.

cheers

matt

p.s. let it be known that i for one, greatly enjoy the character of kaylee - even tho polls show that most of you don't!

KAYTHRYN

Saturday, May 17, 2003 4:47 AM

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Posted by Kyobonitsuki:
you are right it has been decided - his name is jerry lee warren - great balls of fire!

Oh no. You question. You believe his name to be Jerry Lee Warren. Oh no! Everyone duck and cower under their desks! I feel the great wrath of Sarahetc coming this way! Run!

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it's in the production material apparently as it's been quoted that way in more than one place.

I want proof! Let me see it.

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sorry it's so important for you to not accept this - and as he doesn't really exist it's really moot.

You are so undeniably right. But I enjoy dully arguing something that really has no importance over a topic that makes everyone upset and seeing red such as from the thread that “shall not be mentioned”.

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle

JIMMYJAMES

Saturday, May 31, 2003 7:31 AM

Hi all just joined and i just wanted to say i just watched OMR and to me Mal clearly says "Kaylee". i have the episode on my comp here and i listened to it over and over. sounded like Kaylee every time.

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SARAHETC

Saturday, May 31, 2003 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by JimmyJames:
Hi all just joined and i just wanted to say i just watched OMR and to me Mal clearly says "Kaylee". i have the episode on my comp here and i listened to it over and over. sounded like Kaylee every time.

My man JimmyJames here is onto something!

But I have an idea of how to fix this situation. Got tiny little beginning of a correspondence with Lux, who as y'all may know, has hung out with Adam and Alan. So, I'll see if I can get this question of questions slipped in there. If he's even allowed to tell....

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

MSCKAREN

Saturday, May 31, 2003 5:43 PM

I heard "Jerry Lee" and thought it was hilarious! Jerry Lee Lewis was a wild and crazy rock and roll man. This suits my image of Wash just fine.

TALRIUS

Saturday, May 31, 2003 9:44 PM

I have OMR on my computer right now and I keep listening to that scene over and over again. I hear "Jerry Lee" (very clearly); however, I'm now convinced that the statment Mal makes is directed at Kaylee. Mainly so because of her following line. But he does say "Jerry Lee". Perhaps a blooper?

Though, I do agree with Matt, the character is fictional. I'm thinkin' some people are developing an unhealthy attachment. Star Trek fanatics come to mind.

SCOTTI

Wednesday, June 4, 2003 7:46 PM

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So you dig Harrison? I disagree with you on Broznin he has that suaveity(Not a real word) that is Bond, he just hasn't had a good script to express it. Broznin fits the profile to a 'T'.

I've never been much of a fan of the Bond films, but loved the books, and I agree with you Talrius. I never would have thought of Brosnin as James Bond, but I think he's done a good job of it, and hopefully he'll get a script that will prove us right.

By way of backing my opinion, I can tell you almost the exact moment I thought he was a good James Bond. I don't remember which movie it was, but I think it was the first one he was in. There was a firefight going on, lots of automatic weapons fire, and Bond was behind cover, reloading his weapon. While he's looking down at the weapon, a bullet ricochets off the wall, and he just tilts his head away, still looking down at what he's doing.

THAT, my friends, is James Bond.

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Mal: You are very much lacking in imagination.
Zoe: I imagine that's so, sir.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Wednesday, June 4, 2003 10:40 PM

I couldn't figure out what was wrong with you people, Jerry does not sound like Kay. So after Realone crashed my computer many times despite my attempted fixes the file magically opened with a different program despite the fact it wouldn't give me that option before.

And I listened, expecting to hear Kaylee. Sorry, he says Jerry Lee. JERRY. Not Kay, JERRY. I wish that I had noticed it the first time around. It could be a slip on Nathan Fillion’s part, or a slip on Mals part, or a slip on Nathan’s part left to be explained as a slip on Mal’s part. Or it could be that Wash’s name is Jerry Lee, regardless that is what was said.

The way the camera is used implies that Mal was talking to Wash

Wash: We got it! (Mal regards Wash, and the console around him) It’s not pretty but we can steer enough to turn the hell around.
Mal(Facing directly at Wash, head pointed to him, eyes on him): Nice work Jerry Lee.
Close shot of Wash, hugged by Zoe.
Camera goes to Kaylee: Wasn't soon enough to help.
Mal (turns to Kaylee, while looking at her and putting hand on her shoulder): Hey, lot easier to pull things apart than it is to make em’ right. You're still the best damn Mechanic floating.

Sorry guys but he was talking to Wash, you can say that it was just Nathan messing up, but he said Jerry Lee, and he said it to Wash.

KAYTHRYN

Thursday, June 5, 2003 1:23 AM

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Posted by christhecynic:
Sorry guys but he was talking to Wash, you can say that it was just Nathan messing up, but he said Jerry Lee, and he said it to Wash.

Wrong. I wouldn't argue this point any further except that I've got something else to say... but I'll get to that in a minute. P.s. Why do people keep bringing up these annoying ass posts?

For Chris, I don’t have the computer download version of OMR, but I do have the possibly higher quality DVD version from TRS and damn it, I’m listening to it right now, so here is what I’m seeing.

Wash: We got it! (Mal looks around at the working consoles) It’s not pretty but we can steer enough to turn the hell around.
Mal (He is facing forward looking at the working console as Kaylee walks into his line of vision--in front of his and a little to the side-- pulling off her work gloves): Nice work Kaylee.
Close shot of Wash, hugged by Zoë. (Mal congratulated Kaylee, as Zoë is congratulating her husband)
Camera goes to Kaylee as : Wasn't soon enough to help.
Mal (turns to Kaylee, while looking at her and putting hand on her shoulder): Hey, lot easier to pull things apart than it is to make em’ right. You're still the best damn Mechanic floating. (He kisses her)

Now, why would our sweet Kaylee say “it wasn’t soon enough to help” if she didn’t think it was her fault that she fixed it late? She is to nice to say anything mean about it being Wash’s fault and him not getting it fixed “soon enough to help”. So, if she said that in reference to herself then Mal must of said “good work” to Kaylee. Also, Wash was probably pushing buttons and waiting for the console stuff to turn on as Kaylee worked on the mechanical parts that needed fixed shown by her pulling off the work gloves after, I‘m guessing, working under the console, and the fact that she is the mechanic and all.

Okay,

second part. To make a long story short, I was thinking about Zoë and Wash’s relationship today and was wondering if anyone knew, or had any good guesses on how long Zoë and Wash had been married as of “Serenity“. I was thinking about the kind of arguments they’ve have and I can’t decide if they’ve been married for a pretty long while, or if they’re pretty new to each other. I’m just curious.

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle

CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, June 5, 2003 4:50 PM

I wouldn't respond but you asked. We know that Wash works on his own console, as he is shown doing it before Kaylee is hired. Wash is the one who sets up a push button call us home signal (Out of Gas), and Wash is the one who modifies a beacon (Out of Gas). All of this says that he can work with mechanical/electronic things, and that he does.

Further Wash says “we” did it, meaning him and Kaylee. Once again, look at where Mal is facing, he is looking right at Wash when he says, “Nice work.” Mal makes no indication that he sees Kaylee until she says, “Not soon enough to help.” Sorry but if he says, "Kaylee," it’s hilarious because the truth is that he is speaking to Wash, he would also be doing a lousy job of pronouncing it.

Note how he turns to the person to whom he is speaking, he turns to Kaylee when he speaks to her. I can’t think of an instance in which he does not face the person he is talking to unless there is a pressing reason not to (the only ones of those I’ve noticed is when he is holding a gun on someone else, or someone is holding a gun on him.) Show me one, go ahead, find a place where he is facing in another direction, or looking at someone other than the person he is speaking to. Remember one in which his life or others doesn’t depend on looking somewhere else wouldn't qualify.

You said you have a good quality version, look at his eyes, he is looking right at Wash.

Now I can accept (with difficulty) that Nathan messed up, but the show supersedes the script, so he said it, and now it’s Wash’s name unless something else comes along to replace it.

SHINY

Thursday, June 5, 2003 5:51 PM

Ok, I just watched/listened to that scene about 10 times from the download here: http://versaphile.com/download/firefly.html
and Mal definitely says "Kaylee"...if you listen carefully you can absolutely make out the "K" sound. Now perhaps there are other copies of this floating around somewhere with a slightly different quality audio or something that makes it harder to make out, but this version is quite clear.

p.s. 100th post in this thread! Woo-hoo! ;)

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