Space Above and Beyond

POSTED BY: cwlslef
UPDATED: Sunday, August 13, 2006 16:39
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CWLSLEF

Sunday, June 12, 2005 8:59 PM (P)

tvshowsondvd.com reported today that the SAAB box set will be available at Best Buy this summer.

Apparently this is not a rumor, it's the real thing!

MIKEYMO

Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:03 PM (P)

Yes! This was by far my favorite sci-fi series pre-Firefly. I'd looked into the homemade dvds on various web sites, but an actual official box set will be excellent. Hoo-rah!

"Be ashamed to die before you have scored some victory for humanity." -- Horace Mann

CALLMEATH

Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:10 PM (P)

Awesome news! I used to drive my friends nuts by demanding that I be home in time to watch this show. I've been waiting for this for a long time.

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FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:58 PM (P)

I so hope that this is true! I have wanted this show on DVD for a long, long time.

Thanks for sharing the news!

CALHOUN

Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:20 PM (P)

Chiggs!

I been waiting for years for the DVDs of this one. The crappy quality downloaded versions I have just dont cut it anymore.

I love the episode where Paul is doing his impressions of McQueen as a plumber and McQueen sees the whole thing. Kacked myself at that

SIGMANUNKI

Monday, June 13, 2005 5:17 AM (P)

Wicked!!!

And:
"It's ok to be scared."

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CALHOUN

Monday, June 13, 2005 8:29 AM (P)

Muahahahahahahaha, "its ok to be scared!" muahahahaha. thats the one

BROWNCOAT1

Monday, June 13, 2005 6:14 PM (P)

It's long past freakin' time!

Gorram Fox takes TEN years to put one of the best sci fi shows ever out on DVD. Hope they rot in the special hell.

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BIKISDAD

Monday, June 13, 2005 7:06 PM (P)

I was SO pissed when this was cancelled. It ended on that huge cliff-hanger and that was it! No resolution. I think that was the first time I started to hate F*X.

I hope the dvd has some commentary about what they would have done in the next season, so we can get a little closure, at least.

Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.

PLACIDITY

Monday, June 13, 2005 7:35 PM (P)

Ditto to the sentiments above.

I didnt catch the show until the end of its FOX run, then saw the reruns on SciFi. I always hoped for a continuance or finale from SciFi but it never materialized.

Anyone spotted the actors elsewhere?
I know the asian guy is now the psychologist on L&O: SVU
I have also seen the colonel on some shows since...

but what happened to the rest of the WILDCARDS?

fox
firefly playa-haters

BIKISDAD

Monday, June 13, 2005 7:43 PM (P)

I remember seeing the woman who played Vansen in a movie a few years ago, but that's it. The name of the movie.....escapes me at the moment. If I remember it later, I'll do an edit.

EDIT: OK, just remembered. The actress was Kristen Cloke and she appeared in a mediocre teen terror flick called "Final Destination". And I also just remembered that Rod Rowland was in the very first episode of season five of "Angel". Duh! Can't believe I didn't think of that one immediately.

Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.

GUNRUNNER

Monday, June 13, 2005 7:48 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by placidity:
Anyone spotted the actors elsewhere?

“Commodore Ross” AKA Tucker Smallwood has been in lots of shows.

LT. West AKA Morgan Weisser was in a episode of NCIS and played Lee Harvey Oswald in an episode of the X-Files.

Check IMDB for a full list:
http://imdb.com/title/tt0112173/

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SIGMANUNKI

Monday, June 13, 2005 8:48 PM (P)

They've been on more but I've noticed:

Joel de la Fuente (Wang) on ER (just couple eps) among other shows.

Tucker Smallwood (Ross) has been on Freinds and some other sci-fi shows.

Kristen Cloke (Vansen) has been on X-Files and Millennium.

Other than that, they seem to have been busy (most at least).

Morgan Weisser
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0919255/

Kristen Cloke
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0167028/

Rodney Rowland
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0746737/

Joel de la Fuente
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0209249/

Lanei Chapman
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0152435/

James Morrison
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0607175/

Tucker Smallwood
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0806613/

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MRSKBORG

Monday, June 13, 2005 9:04 PM (P)

About gorram time too. Loved this show- for the episode "Who Monitors the Birds" I would buy the full set.

"This movie may be a beautiful butterfly, but I loved that damn caterpillar." Joss Whedon.

FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:30 AM (P)

My fav eps of S:AAB were the 2 Dear Earth and the one that was tied to it (I forget if Dear Earth was the first part or second part). Then the 2 eps that comprised the season/series finale.

I was overseas when this show originally aired on Fox but it was syndicated to overseas pretty quickly so I caught it in '97. Then later found out there was only that one season. *garg* I'd been so waiting for the continuation. Too bad it didn't build up enough of a fanbase to make a movie happen. :( Wished SciFi channel would have done like a 2-4 hour miniseries/tv movie conclusion to it though. grrr...

DRAGONWINE

Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:36 AM (P)

I so hope this is true. I almost bought a region free set from the UK for for $100.00, but here it may be less. I have not found anything on Space: Above and Beyond on the Best Buy sight. Other sights like Amazon have only something called "Above and Beyond" which is actuall an Australian documentary on flight and space flight. I had them all recorded off tv then I transferred them to dvd rw before the tapes were total goners. Can't wait for a "professional" set with all the extras.

It's a nothing part til you don't got one, then you have to go to ebay.....aaaaagh!

VECTREXER

Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:48 AM (P)

Have to say that I really like Space Above and Beyond just about as much as anything I have ever seen on TV that was a fictional show.

I would also buy the DVD set as soon a a good one was out there.

Any show about morals and SciFi basically gets my vote. Well,,,, as long as the production is their to go along with the morals.

FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Sunday, June 19, 2005 3:25 PM (P)

Has anyone been able to find out more about this? I've been looking on Best Buy's site but they don't have it up for preorder or anything about it.

RHYMEPHILE

Monday, June 20, 2005 3:08 PM (P)

The site TVShowsonDVD.com has been keeping an eye on the official release date, which was rumored to be this summer.

It was supposed to be released first to Best Buy, (like Tru Calling Season 2 and a special box set of Spike episodes from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, both of which never turned up at Best Buy) but according to TVonDVD, it's going to be released to regular retailers. They just haven't heard when yet.

The Digital Bits heard it may be late 2005/early 2006. Which, yargh, I want it this summer.

Here's a fan site that has been keeping up with the possible release date:

http://www.microserve.net/~kduncan/op_treasuredisc.html

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FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Thursday, June 23, 2005 1:47 AM (P)

On the main website that the person runs, there's a short little mention of "Serenity". It's about the graphic designer, but still...here's the url:

http://www.microserve.net/~kduncan/jun05_news.html

Can't wait to find out the release date! I so hope that it comes out this year....

MOOSE

Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:10 AM (P)

I'll only believe it will be released when I have it in my grubby hands. I've endured way too many rumors about it to let my hopes up.

I was on the verge of forgiving FOX for what they did to this show, then they screwed over Firefly....

FOXme

FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Monday, July 4, 2005 10:06 PM (P)

bump.

anybody hear anything more on this? Still hasn't shown up on bestbuy.com for preorder.

CWLSLEF

Saturday, July 9, 2005 1:13 AM (P)

Space Above & Beyond is listed on Best Buy now!

PUMAMANREDUX

Saturday, July 9, 2005 1:39 AM (P)

According to tvshowsondvd the release date for SA&B is October 4, 2005

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FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:30 AM (P)

Yes!!!!!! Yay!!!! It's actually coming!!! Yay!!!!

FRUMIOUSB

Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:52 AM (P)

I'm with you on the excitement that this show finally deserves a DVD release, however, there's some backstory here to share with fellow fans:

In October 2005, Fox Home Entertainment and Best Buy will team together for an exclusive release of the cult TV series "Space: Above and Beyond" on DVD. They will likely herald it as a 10th anniversary of its original airing, and pronounce its release at long last, after many a request for its release by its fans. Look closer and you will discover that this is a bare bones release that is being dumped out with little thought. The lack of participation on the upcoming release by the creators, crew and cast is not for lack of trying. After discovering the release of a bare-bones "Space: Above and Beyond" DVD set on a DVD-rumours website of all things, Hard Eight Pictures (production company of Glen Morgan and Jim Wong, the creators and show-runners of the series) tried to connect with Fox's home entertainment department to find out what happened, seeing as they had pitched the idea of putting together a great set for the fans several months earlier that was met with encouragement.

Glen Morgan and Jim Wong were not interested in slapping on a couple of last minute audio commentaries -- they wanted to do it right and had an active hand, as many filmmakers are beginning to do with the advent of DVD. Plans to round up the entire cast and creative team for a retrospective documentary, original shorts, at least 6 actor/episode-specific commentaries were in place, old directors cuts and effects tests were pulled out of attics for archival purposes (everything was saved !). Morgan and Wong are very proud of their work on this series, appreciated the fans of the show and even offered to finance the special features themselves. After inquiries about delaying this surprise Best Buy release, so that they could be involved, the marketing department claimed that they did not see this show as viable enough to warrant a 7th disc of special features. And so, despite Hard Eight's best efforts, Fox has chosen not to involve anyone who had anything to do with the series with this upcoming DVD release.

Please note -- I'm not speaking on behalf of Morgan and Wong here. I'm just one cog that was involved in developing the proposed extra features with Hard Eight, and just a well informed longtime devotee of the series. I realize that "S:AAB" isn't nearly as popular as "The Simpsons" or "24" or "The X-Files", but to completely ignore the value (financial, entertainment, or otherwise) of the participation of those who made the show in the first place, the value of bonus features made with eager participation of everyone, with all of the work offered to them essentially for free... is baffling to me. I'm not trying to get anyone to start any kind of revolt, campaign or petition because it's probably too late and I don't know if it will get anywhere at the end of the day. I just wanted to write this so the show's fans and DVD fans alike would know what's being peddled to them this fall and why. AMF.

JRC

Sunday, July 10, 2005 8:53 AM (P)

Sounds like you were involved in this show! However, would you recommend the DVD to the rest of us long-starved "Space" fans? Or is there hope for a DVD set the way it should have been made in the first place?

Everyone dies alone.

AMDOBELL

Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:37 PM (P)

Excellent news, have been waiting for this since the show prematurely ended. When can we expect a UK DVD box set?

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AMDOBELL

Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:40 PM (P)

This is spooky, I live in the UK and my friend Elaine in NC just emailed a comment on the proposed S:AAB box set whereby AMF is quoted as saying that in September/October 2005 Fox Home Entertainment and Best Buy are teaming up to bring out the series in a box set for the 10th Anniversary. That's where the good news gets shafted by the Fox mentality.
Fox want to bring out a bare-bones box set, so all you get are the aired episodes and that is it. No commentaries or interviews, zilch.
Hard Eight Pictures (the production company of Glen Morgan and Jim Wong, creators and show runners of the series) tried to contact Fox as they were not interested in a sloppy job. They want to do it right and planned to round up the ENTIRE CAST and creative team for a retrospective documentary, original shorts, at least SIX actor/episode-specific commentaries, old director's cuts and effects tests etc. On top of that they even offered to FINANCE the special features themselves.
Guess who wasn't interested? Apparently the Marketing Department at Fox entertainment (isn't that an oxymoron?) claimed they did not see the show as viable enough to warrant a 7th disc of special features and therefore chose not to involve anyone who had anything to do with the series in the upcoming release.
We need a letter writing campaign to show the men-in-suits what the fans want and that there is a market for a decently put together DVD package. When you love a show you want to see it treated right. Now all we need are the addressed to write to.

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FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Monday, July 11, 2005 2:15 AM (P)

While I am disappointed in the decision of FOX's upper management, I do so want this DVD set. Couldn't Hard Eight make a deal with FOX, where they release a bonus disc separately? If they were going to pay for it anyways, why can't they put one out themselves? Or does FOX own the rights to all media releases for S:AAB?

MOOSE

Monday, July 11, 2005 3:41 AM (P)

Once again,

GORRAM FOX!!!!

I don't think I'll ever get tired of saying that...don't think FOX will give me any reason to stop either...

FRUMIOUSB

Monday, July 11, 2005 8:50 AM (P)

Hard Eight may have created the show, but that doesn't give them any kind of distribution rights. Fox owns it. It's kind of common courtesy one would think, however, for the filmmakers to get a say in how it gets presented in any shape or form, DVD or otherwise. The show got yanked around in different timeslots constantly when it aired 10 years back and was never given a chance to find an audience. With DVD, people finally may get to see it all for the first time, which is a good thing, but for the fans or any newbies who became further interested, they will get absolutely no insight as to how it was made, or the reaction of the cast and crew as to how they feel it stands up today and that sucks. Especially since everyone was game and excited to revisit the series... well, everyone except for the network that canned it in the first place. Why should I be surprised?

All in all, it's just a stupid, disappointing decision on Fox's marketing dept. that they probably don't realize people might care about, but maybe if you write letters voicing your displeasure, it might make them think twice before shafting the filmmakers of your current and future favourite shows. It's really to the disadvantage to real fans that are already dishing out $50 for a box set and they aren't getting a single bonus feature, when there could easily have been a set full of them, made by the producers to boot! But seeing as they are Fox marketing people -- they have no idea what genre fans like.

You asked about where to send letters. Address them to Peter Staddon or Sven Davison at Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment:

20th Century Fox Home Entertainment
10201 W. Pico Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90035

By the way, AMF is a military acronym that was used in S:AAB occasionally. Depending on who you are addressing, for example, fellow Space fans, it stands for "Adios My Friend" or, in Fox's case, "Adios Motherfucker."

BROWNCOAT1

Monday, July 11, 2005 2:33 PM (P)

As much as I would like to say I am surprised by this most recent bit of news, taking into consideration what we all know from experience w/ Fox, it really isn't.

What kind of mornonic network would not allow the creators & cast of a show to have any hand in the creation & release of the DVD set. Not allowing the cast & creators to have commentaries or interviews will present the show to those that don't have the news so kindly provided by Frumiousb as a show that no one cared enough about to do the DVD set right.

Sure I want it, I have waited on the DVD set since Fox in their infinite ignorance cancelled the series so long ago. I want it done right though. I want commentaries, extra footage, interviews w/ cast & creators, anything they want to add on there. Why Fox chimps think there is no interest is beyond me.

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YT

Monday, July 11, 2005 11:40 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
As much as I would like to say I am surprised by this most recent bit of news, taking into consideration what we all know from experience w/ Fox, it really isn't.

Things I know about 20th Century Fox:

They hired Joss Whedon & Mutant Enemy
Helped them produce one of the finest series ever to hit TV, & two others that were more popular
When Firefly was cancelled by the network that ordered it, 20th Century Fox left the sets up for another six months to allow Joss time to shop the series to other networks
Greenlit a DVD of a series that was cancelled in the middle of its first season
Ordered the DVD with a couple of cool special features that were produced along with the series
Ordered a long & detailed "Making Of" feature to be produced for the DVD
Added seven episode-specific commentaries by nine different folks, made for the DVD

This is markedly different from above reports of 20th Century Fox's handling of SA&B.

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
What kind of mornonic network would not allow the creators & cast of a show to have any hand in the creation & release of the DVD set.

No network has any say in the DVD of a series once they've cancelled it.

20th Century Fox (the studio that produced Buffy, Angel & Firefly, along with their DVDs) isn't the FOX Broadcasting Company (FOX network), who . . .
didn't like Joss's pilot for Firefly, &
declined to broadcast it 'til they'd
cancelled the show.

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SAFEAT2ND

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 1:54 AM (P)

So here's the dilema....Do we buy the set, like we want to, but have to suffer with a sub-standard, lack luster release in order to finally get this show on DVD? Or do we choose not to purchase it to send a statement to whichever FOX collective group of idiots is reponsible, and chance never seeing a properly produced set due to poor sales?

As a newbie that "stumbled" onto Firefly by finding the fine folks of this shiny website, I was hoping to finally be able to see S:AAB. It comes highly recomended by several people on this site, but I would like to see it done like Firefly was. I WANT to know the background, see it in proper order, see missing footage etc..

I mean hell....if I'm gonna spend $50 bucks, I want my money's worth dammit!!

Befuddled, confused and more than just a little angry....

GUNRUNNER

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 2:01 AM (P)

I say buy it, don’t and let the sales drop and your proving the FuX executives that said there wasn’t a market for a DVD set full of features right. And me personally I like to prove them wrong every chance I can get.

Anyways I wasn’t internet savvy back when S:AAB was on so I missed what the people “in the know” on the net said about the show’s cancellation. So could anyone give me a little info on why they caned it? Was it just ratings? I heard it did well.

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FRUMIOUSB

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:29 AM (P)

YT - your post really points out how Fox's treatment of Firefly is so markedly different from S:AAB. In fact, reading your makes me want to cry, because I really believed S:AAB deserved and had every opportunity to get a similar DVD treatment. I was only an occasional watcher of Firefly, but I'd like to say now that damn, you guys (the fans) are really lucky. You even get a movie version of your favourite TV show, which is amazing.

Some differences between Firefly and S:AAB which might shed some insight over how two shows could be treated so differently from each other:

1. Firefly was a very recent series, and getting DVD releases for such things make it a little more straightforward, if not expected, as opposed to a 10 year old genre series

2. Joss Whedon has a much higher profile than Glen Morgan and Jim Wong. He created Buffy which was HUGE. Those box sets were massive cash cows for Fox on DVD. Similar to Whedon -- Chris Carter had X-Files, which helped him get out Lone Gunmen and Harsh Realm (which barely aired half its episodes) on DVD rather quickly after their demise.

3. Shortly after S:AAB was cancelled in 1996, the producers had to suffer watching from their production offices -- their sets being burned across the Fox lot as KINDLING for the short lived Fox series, "L.A. Firefighters" (I think it lasted 6 episodes). The more heavy duty stuff got carted away to be re-used in some way on the Joss Whedon written ALIEN RESURRECTION.

4. To perhaps flog a dead horse - despite the show's cast and crew being eager to participate in the S:AAB DVD project, including but not limited to: 6 cast/crew commentaries (also involving at least 9 people), an hour long retrospective documentary, an original short with new series mythology, a really fun interactive military lexicon, blah blah blah -- they were fooled into a false sense of security when the Fox Home Entertainment said, "that sounds great - we'll look into the realities of this", only to have them either a) forget to call back, b)ignore the whole thing or c) if I want to be totally paranoid -- sneak around behind Hard Eight's backs to make a quick, cheap deal with Best Buy because they don't care at all about this TV show

I think what gets me the most is that no one thought to contact said creators until they were forced to after continual calls by Glen Morgan to find out what the @%$#@%!# was going on (after reading rumours on The Digital Bits website about a possible Best Buy S:AAB DVD!)... this is just dirty pool, I say.

Can you tell this is a really sore subject for me?

Thank you for allowing me a forum to get this out of my system.

MUFFINS

Wednesday, July 13, 2005 5:50 AM (P)

1st, Found it under documentaries (Hope it isn't that Austrailian thing with a similar name: look it up on Amazon.com)

2nd, When I click on the title, I get a "Sorry, but you can't access this page" screen.

Has anyone been able to pre-order it so far?

TRISHYMOUSE

Thursday, July 14, 2005 12:03 AM (P)

I'm definitely buying it, even though I have it all on VCD. It's one of the best shows I've had the privilege to watch, and I've been watching them for over 40 years...

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FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:13 AM (P)

I say buy it. Cuz if no one buys it, it proves the Fox execs right that there wasn't a market. However, if the DVD sales do really well, they might in the future release a bonus feature disc or a new set that includes bonus features.

Yeah, I found it under documentaries as well and also get that "Sorry can't access this page, it might no longer exist...blah blah blah" message from Best Buy. So maybe they are in the process of moving it into the SciFi section? Hopefully...

CHIPMUNK

Thursday, August 4, 2005 9:56 PM (P)

Great news: they've bumped the release forward to 6-Sep, and dropped the price a wee bit:
http://tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=3836

The BB online entry has also been significantly updated

It's so cool that it'll be out in time to fill in the final leg before Serenity, when we'll all be in a tizzy of excitement!

Thanks "frumiousb" for the extras info. I agree with others: I'll buy it, 'cause I've wanted this for eons (and don't have on VHS), with the hope high sales will inspire Fox to put out a feature rich version (in which happy case, I'll donate my first edition to the library). I'm real glad I know about the total lack of features up front, otherwise, I'd have had a big let down when I picked mine up.

Thanks "PumamanRedux" for the original official release date post! I'm also a fanatic tvshowsondvd.com checker, but usually check it mid-week. Thanks to your timely post, I was able to email a Geek Buddy that night, so his first Monday morning work email was that happy news - a great way to make Monday shinier!

FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Thursday, August 4, 2005 10:11 PM (P)

Whoo-hoo. I pre-ordered my copy today. I hope that it really does come out on 9/6/05. :) I can't wait.

I hope that the video quality is good, because although I have tapes of the eps, they are all so dark it's hard to see things some times.

CALHOUN

Friday, August 5, 2005 4:14 AM (P)

Quote:
Trishymouse wrote:
Wednesday, July 13, 2005 14:03

I'm definitely buying it, even though I have it all on VCD. It's one of the best shows I've had the privilege to watch, and I've been watching them for over 40 years...

40 years! ??

Have you got some new fandangled time machine or something?

TRISHYMOUSE

Friday, August 5, 2005 4:31 AM (P)

I'm not referring to watching Firefly for 40 years...I'm saying that out of all the shows in this genre (or really, many others for that matter), it's one of the best I've seen in over 40 years of watching TV. I'm no spring chicken, my dear...

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CALHOUN

Friday, August 5, 2005 4:39 AM (P)

Yeah, after I posted I thought that perhaps i'd read yours wrong.

CWLSLEF

Friday, August 12, 2005 3:14 AM (P)

Space Above & Beyond is now listed on Amazon.com!

FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:37 AM (P)

Space Above & Beyond is now listed under "General TV" on Best Buy instead of under "Documentary".

FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:26 AM (P)

One week until Best Buy releases the DVDs! Yay! I hope mine ship on 9/6...I'm so impatient.

FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Saturday, September 3, 2005 1:42 AM (P)

Yay! 4 days until it's released!

Bestbuy.com has it on sale for $39.99 now. Too bad I already have it pre-ordered. That's what I get for being impatient...

CALHOUN

Saturday, September 3, 2005 7:38 AM (P)

OoooH! OoooH!

Be sure to post back when you get your DVDs. I want to know if they have commentaries & interviews & such.

FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Saturday, September 3, 2005 7:28 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Calhoun:
OoooH! OoooH!

Be sure to post back when you get your DVDs. I want to know if they have commentaries & interviews & such.

I'll be sure to let you know. The DVDs have already shipped so I should get them on Tuesday. Yay!!!

I've heard, and there are posts in this thread about it, that there won't be any type of extra material. I'm sure there will be something like previews for other FOX shows but other than that, I doubt there will be anything.

CITIZEN

Saturday, September 3, 2005 9:04 PM (P)

Anyone know if its getting released over here in Britain?

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FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Thursday, September 8, 2005 12:51 AM (P)

I got my DVDs today!!! I haven't really watched them yet though. Based on the information from the back of the cases, there aren't any commentaries or anything besides some of the TV spots.

The picture and sound were awesome of what little I watched. I only watched a little cuz I thought the disc might have been damaged while shipping. Luckily though it wasn't and I won't have to deal with Best Buy's customer service people (*shudder* the slowness, and the unhelpfulness).

GUNRUNNER

Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:09 AM (P)

I just picked up mine and well read here:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/showblog.asp?b=1987

Now has anyone else besides me and Chipmunk experienced problems with episode two? Pixelation I can live with but an episode that doesn’t play I can’t. Did I get a bad disk of a poorly copied episode or did I get a poorly copied episode on a sensitive DVD player?

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FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Tuesday, September 13, 2005 12:37 PM (P)

hmm, interesting. I've watched some of the episodes but not the 2nd yet. I'll have to check that out when I get a chance. I have a somewhat faulty DVD player though. On several different DVDs from different sets it'll start to freeze up then jump a little and the picture starts to go all pixel like (but in little squares).

The episodes I have watched haven't had any problems. It had been so long since I'd seen the pilot episode that some of the scenes looked new to me. Does anyone know if the Australian pilot ep and the American pilot ep were the same?

CALHOUN

Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:17 PM (P)

Doesnt sound too promising.. Should I buy it or not? .. .. i've been waiting so long now. Post follow ups on your disk 2 dilema please.

Anyone know if S.A.A.B can be bought in Australia? or will I have to order from US like I had to initially with Firefly.

CLJOHNSTON108

Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:13 PM (P)

I remember watching the premier on a pocket-sized Casio TV while sitting in the taxicab I was driving, at the LAX holding lot, waiting to go out on a run. Even on a 2" LCD screen, I could tell that this was some'n special (especially the writing)!

These were the stand-out performances for me...

James Morrison Official Site
http://www.xmission.com/~spectral/jm/

The Official Tucker Smallwood Web Site
http://www.tuckersmallwood.com/

The Official Site of Doug Hutchison (Elroy-El (also "Tooms" in The X-Files!)
http://www.doughutchison.com/
He also teaches...
The Art of Stillness
http://www.darkwaterinc.com/Art/art_home.html

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--Edmund Burke

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:16 PM (P)

I can't remember, but maybe y'all can tell me; is SAAB as good as or better than Earth 2 ? They came out about the same time, right?

Early ninties recollection challenged Chrisisall

CITIZEN

Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:21 PM (P)

IMHO although I like both Earth2 and S:AAB, S:AAB is by far the supirior show. It was cancelled by Fox after only one season, if that tells ya anything

Zen Buddhist to the Hotdog Vendor:
"Make me one with everything."

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:38 PM (P)

Then it MUST be great, Fox would let just an okay show go at least 3 seasons

BTW, I love this...
Zen Buddhist to the Hotdog Vendor:
"Make me one with everything."

Chrisisall

GUNRUNNER

Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:41 AM (P)

S:AAB was way better than Earth 2. E2 seemed to be a show searching for a purpose; AAB knew its purpose from day one. It was more than Sci-Fi it was a universal show about men and women in combat.

BTW I just watched ‘Sugar Dirt’ (Amazing Episode) and there was some pixalation in the hanger bay scenes, but no major screw-ups with the disk. Only two more episodes left to watch. Hopefully I’ll head over to Best Buy tomorrow for an exchange.

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CHRISISALL

Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:12 PM (P)

I have this hazy memory of it being like Airwolf in outer space with a heavy UFO influence...

But it was a while back.

And I liked both of those, too Chrisisall

GUNRUNNER

Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:44 PM (P)

I never saw 'Airwolf' but I would say it’s a lot like ‘Wing Commander’ (The games not the movie based on them).

Yea there was some of that 'X-Files' like UFO stuff, but I don't want to spoil anyone...

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CLJOHNSTON108

Thursday, September 15, 2005 5:12 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I have this hazy memory of it being like Airwolf in outer space with a heavy UFO influence...

But it was a while back.

And I liked both of those, too

The helmets looked similar to the ones in Airwolf, so I understand the confusion.

Here's something to get you up to speed...

SPACE ABOVE AND BEYOND the Bitter End
(Lots of great multimedia, blueprints & graphics standards)
http://web-worthy.com/saab/

Space-Readyroom.de
http://www.space-readyroom.de/

Simon's Space: Above and Beyond UK Homepage
http://www.wildcards.freeserve.co.uk/

Space: Above and Beyond (a.k.a. Space 2063)
http://www.cyberpursuits.com/heckifiknow/saab/

The Definitive McQueen
http://www.xmission.com/~spectral/tdmcq/index.html

Wolf Pack Space: Above and Beyond
(Shows how to compile your own S:AAB uniform)
http://www.wolfpack-scifi.org/saab.html

Of course, much like Firefly, it's the writing that stands out...

[Colonel McQueen is about to go kill Chiggy Von Richtofen, the enemy's ace flyer]
Chaplain: Colonel. Colonel! Colonel McQueen! You need to make peace with your maker.
Col. McQueen: My maker was some geek in a lab coat with an eyedropper and a petri dish. What do I need to make peace with him for?
Chaplain: In times of war we must all make peace with our maker.
Col. McQueen: Well, I don't think our maker wants to hear from me right now. Because he knows I'm going to go out in this plane and I'm going to remove one of His creations from His universe. And when I get back, I'm going to drink a bottle of scotch as if it was Chiggy Von Richtofen's blood and celebrate his death.
Chaplain: Amen.

Memorable Quotes from "Space: Above and Beyond" (1995)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112173/quotes

Space: Above and Beyond Quotes
http://members.chello.se/hansdotter/saabquotes.html

Memorable Quotes from "Space: Above and Beyond"
http://www.microserve.net/~kduncan/space_quotes.html

Sure, the show was a habitual SIS (Sound In Space) offender (and here's a detailed discussion on the entire issue)...

the agony booth forum - Hypergeeking: Sound in Space
http://www.agonybooth.com/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=1484&w
hichpage=1

...but it's largely considered to have "Never Jumped"...

Jump The Shark | Space Above and Beyond
http://www.jumptheshark.com/s/spaceaboveandbeyond.htm

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, September 15, 2005 10:41 PM (P)

Tell me you own those helmets!!!!

That's cool Chrisisall

CLJOHNSTON108

Friday, September 16, 2005 2:35 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Tell me you own those helmets!!!!

That's cool Chrisisall

I can only wish!!
But you can buy a fully-functioning Airwolf replica helmet (molded directly from an original Prop Helmet used on the show!) here...
http://www.airwolfthemes.com/airwolfhelmets.html
The guy's working on recreating the uniforms, also patterned directly from the originals!

Here's information on the S:AAB helmets:
http://web-worthy.com/saab/behind-props.html
http://www.hi-impact.org/gallery/saab/prop05.html

Ooh! Ooh!! Oooooh!!! The Prop Store of London has(had?) an actual S:AAB helmet for sale!!
http://www.propstore.com/list/cat_id/7/pos/110/ob/view/num_display/10/
view/movs/

I wonder if the guy doing the Airwolf helmets would consider doing a similar job for S:AAB fans?

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--Edmund Burke

GUNRUNNER

Friday, September 16, 2005 6:07 AM (P)

Ahhhhhh this is just insane! I went to best buy to exchange the disk. No problem they say, I grab a new box off the shelf and look at it- same defect. I play it in the store’s DVD player and it gets all pixilated on the same episode. So the clerk tells me to grab another disk. Ok it has the same defect but it seems to work. I get home and guess what the problem is in another episode now. Three disks in a row have the same defect on the same side of the 1st disk.

I’m close to ‘Abandoning All Hope’

I don’t know WTF I’m going to do now. Maybe I should demand another disk (not a swap) that doesn’t have the screwed up episode so I have one disk with one bad episode and another with one bad episode so I get all the episodes but on two different disks. I’m going to make sure the manager hears about this and that he tells whoever is producing those disk they are doing a piss poor job.

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CHRISISALL

Friday, September 16, 2005 8:55 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by cljohnston108:

But you can buy a fully-functioning Airwolf replica helmet (molded directly from an original Prop Helmet used on the show!)

A few years ago I woulda jumped at it, now alls I want is the second season on dvd (the third can rot as far as I'm concerned).

My son would love it though, he loves the 'copter and the helmets. I ain't quite the little fanboy he is, he he he.

Stringfellow Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Friday, September 16, 2005 9:06 PM (P)

GunRunner, I owned a magnavox dvd player that wouldn't play my Chinese (Hong Kong) dvd's, then a Philips that wouldn't play certain American dvd's right. My latest, a Panasonic plays everything. Not sayin' it's your player, there's obviously something wrong w/the sets, but some player out there might be able to make sense of the sub-par authoring.
Other than that, the wider release not connected to Bestbuy might be better produced...

Just a thought Chrisisall

CLJOHNSTON108

Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:03 AM (P)

Well, it finally happened towards the beginning of "Sugar Dirt" (One of my favorite eps): Freeze-up!!

I look at the disk under the light, and I see a "nebula" of tiny little bubbles (kinda looks like the "unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the galaxy") in the Mylar.

Damn that Fux and all it's minions at Best Buy!

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--Edmund Burke

AIRWOLF

Wednesday, July 5, 2006 2:33 PM (P)

I am new here but I see from time to time that Airwolf comes up. If it is not out the main stream here I would like to add this information.
I am the builder of the Airwolf Helmets, Suits and boots from the show. And to even top that, Please follow the link to the full size recreation of Airwolf herself! This will take you to a site that shows the daily build that I am doing and bringing this rare Lady back to life in 100% detail as the screen used chopper. I am building Airwolf to be in a new ground up Museum and she will be hanging from the steel beams 40 feet off the floor and in full combat mode. The recreation of the helmets and suits is what brought the recreation of the real Airwolf to life. Please never feel your hobbies can't go anywhere as I am living proof that your love for this type of hobby and science fiction world can grow and many out there remember and follow along with you.
http://projects.airwolf.tv/ssmockup/index.html
http://airwolf.tv-series.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6043
My name is Steven W Stull and I am the Recreator of Airwolf.

Steven W Stull (Don't just live your life-Live your dreams!)

SPACEANJL

Wednesday, July 5, 2006 2:43 PM (P)

I am the furthest man from home!

(Sorry) I saw maybe five episodes of this due to dumbass scheduling. I never did work out what was going on. Starship Troopers meets every WWI & II flick going. With clones.

Did it have David Duchovny as some creepy sex droid in one episode?

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, July 5, 2006 8:00 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Airwolf:

http://airwolf.tv-series.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6043

Welcome Steven!
I've contributed episode reviews to that site as 'Rarebutafact'. The best Airwolf site around.

Your mock-up is awsome! There's a very jealous 10 year old inside me... If I only had the space (AND I'd build the Lost in Space robot, AND Serenity to live in...)

Tell me, you see some similarities between String and Mal?

I'm not gonna die on you Chrisisall

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, July 5, 2006 8:08 PM (P)

Had to get in on one of the oldest threads I could find. Like most of you Space is one of my most favorite shows ever. Nothing important to say. Lotsa love to the Space:Above and Beyond fans here.

MAL: "What happen about me?"

RAPHAEL

Wednesday, August 9, 2006 5:04 AM (P)

I bought the Space: Above and Beyond DVD set the other day and have just finished the pilot. The series is no Firefly, but it is still good, even by today's standards. The similarities with Firefly are interesting -- a high cost risky show given a half-chance by Fox and then cancelled before its audience can find it --but Firefly had a bigger fanbase (initially due perhaps to Joss' followers) so that we got Serenity.

You are absolutely correct about the episode, "Who Monitor's the Birds". It is this series' "Out of Gas", a great, deep, story with a whole range of emotions and actions. The actor who plays Hawkes is terrific in it. It was the only episode I had on tape and I re-watched it dozens of times. Now I can see it with better resolution and sound on the DVD. I hope you get the DVDs and get to see it, too.

Rich Katz

DUKKATI

Saturday, August 12, 2006 3:58 PM (P)

I want my own " Hammerhead ".

GRRRARG

Sunday, August 13, 2006 4:17 PM (P)

*jawdrop*

I thought I was like, the only person, ever, to like this show.
I mean, I liked that this was a military show - it was essentially Combat! in space. But the details were right - no dainty little Red Alert siren "Warning. Will everyone please attend to their duties in a timely fashion. The Klingons are detonating a sun nearby."
No. A real General Quarters klaxon BONG BONG BONG! Now, General Quarters! General Quarters! All hands to General Quarters!
I would have slept through a Star Fleet Red Alert - I've been awoken many times by a call to General Quarters.
No debating about the proper etiquette for engaging the aliens "Captian, the Gribblerabble ship is powering their Death Ray (I know because our sensors work on magic, and I can tell its an alien death ray and not an alien dishwasher)! Oh, I say! Well, not very sporting of them, what? Well, this calls for decisive action! I'll have a spot of tea, and we'll discuss what that action just might be for the rest of the episode."
No.
"Get them Chiggs outa my sky!"

"Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes." -Terry Pratchett "Night Watch"

CITIZEN

Sunday, August 13, 2006 4:39 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by GrrrArg:
*jawdrop*

I thought I was like, the only person, ever, to like this show.
I mean, I liked that this was a military show - it was essentially Combat! in space. But the details were right - no dainty little Red Alert siren "Warning. Will everyone please attend to their duties in a timely fashion. The Klingons are detonating a sun nearby."
No. A real General Quarters klaxon BONG BONG BONG! Now, General Quarters! General Quarters! All hands to General Quarters!
I would have slept through a Star Fleet Red Alert - I've been awoken many times by a call to General Quarters.
No debating about the proper etiquette for engaging the aliens "Captian, the Gribblerabble ship is powering their Death Ray (I know because our sensors work on magic, and I can tell its an alien death ray and not an alien dishwasher)! Oh, I say! Well, not very sporting of them, what? Well, this calls for decisive action! I'll have a spot of tea, and we'll discuss what that action just might be for the rest of the episode."
No.
"Get them Chiggs outa my sky!"

And for once, we started it!

No victims here!

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