New Improved DVD Thread

POSTED BY: trs80
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 05:36
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TRS80

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 7:02 AM

OK so after 150+ posts the other DVD thread was getting a little long.

Computer has risen from the ashes, and discs are burning @ 4X as I type this.

As of the time on this post, I've sent replies to everyone I had email for. If you emailed and didn't get a reply, please resend your message. It must have been a victim of the crash.

On Wed morning, I will be caught up with making/shipping sets.

Color sets will be gone by the weekend, but there are still plain sets available for the next week or two. If you're interested, email me for all the details: trs80@cornerpub.com Once supplies run out it's all over. I will post in this thread when that happens.

Of course with the rumors about Sci Fi UK and some Canadian station airing the show soon (see the official board), it's possible the missing 3 eps will appear. If so, I may come out of "retirement" LOL

Thanks for all the support and kind words thus far

Just to have it for reference, here's the link to the original thread:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=13&t=1383

-trs

WEEFLE

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:23 PM

Just wanted to say, a buddy of mine ordered TRS80's DVD's after I told him about them, and we made upwards of half a dozen copies in the first week-- four or five for friends, a set for my mom, a set for my in-laws, and maybe a set for my buddy's dad.

They're so shiny, it brought tears to my eyes the first time I watched 'em. Simply fantastic.

Thanks so much, TRS80.

Keep 'er flyin'.
weefle

TRS80

Thursday, March 20, 2003 2:17 AM

bumpy bumpy

-trs

TRS80

Thursday, March 20, 2003 6:21 PM

UPDATE

Color sets are all gone now.

Plain sets are still available, but should be gone in a week. If you are thinking about getting a set now is the time!

trs80@cornerpub.com

-trs

TRS80

Saturday, March 22, 2003 7:22 PM

bumping

-trs

NORMANNA

Saturday, March 22, 2003 8:54 PM

Perhaps people haven't finished reading the original forum yet...

I've e-mailed you twice so far but received no response yet.

I am interested in acquiring a set of your plain Firefly DVDs before you run out.

TRS80

Monday, March 24, 2003 1:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by normanna:
Perhaps people haven't finished reading the original forum yet...

I've e-mailed you twice so far but received no response yet.

I am interested in acquiring a set of your plain Firefly DVDs before you run out.

I'm fully caught up with sets and email now...so if you didn't receive an answer from me I didn't get your email.

If you email me again and still don't receive an answer, send me a message via this board and I'll give you another email address to use.

-trs

NORMANNA

Monday, March 24, 2003 2:14 AM

TRS,

I've resent my e-mail (subject: Firefly DVD (NORMANNA).

I hope it works this time...

TALRIUS

Monday, March 24, 2003 2:50 AM

I've sent four e-mails and have yet to recieve one back. So I took it as a hint, maybe some one up there doesn't want me to have those DVDs? No offense TRS80.

MOOSE

Monday, March 24, 2003 4:43 AM

Talrius, I had problems getting emails from TRS80 through my AOL account, but when I used my Yahoo! address it went through just fine. Try a different e-mail if you can.

TALRIUS

Monday, March 24, 2003 4:49 AM

AOL's a piece of garbage but I'm kinda partial to it, don't know why though. And I'm very lazy, don't feel like setting up with a free e-mail subscriber either.

NORMANNA

Monday, March 24, 2003 5:46 AM

I finally got in contact TRS via e-mail (yahoo! Literally and figuratively speaking).

Informing TRS of the lack of e-mail communication via this board helped me out...

And as additional side effect, it kept the thread alive, BUMP!

ELKA

Monday, March 24, 2003 9:35 AM

Just keeping this thread active, I ordered my dvd's from TRS ages ago and they work great on both the dvd players i've used them on. I love the menus you made too TR. if you decide to come out with a 'volume 2' set when the phantom three episodes air in the UK, I am SO getting a set.

The bumpkiniest of the Bumpkin Army.

WEEFLE

Monday, March 24, 2003 7:24 PM

Ker-BUMP!

MANIACNUMBERONE

Monday, March 24, 2003 7:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by trs80:
bumpy bumpy

-trs

stop "bumping"
It's annoying.

TRS80

Monday, March 24, 2003 9:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ManiacNumberOne:
Quote:
Originally posted by trs80:
bumpy bumpy

-trs

stop "bumping"
It's annoying.

OK, well then I will post some news about the discs which in turn will bump the thread

Regarding the current 3 disc sets...

As posted before all color sets are now gone. Supplies for plain sets are almost gone, so more than likely this will be the last week sets will be available.

Regarding a disc for the missing episodes which will be aired in the UK...

As fate would have it, the authoring files I made to create the original set were corrupted by the system crash I suffered a few weeks ago. I didn't realize this until I tried to copy them elsewhere over the weekend.

So, if I did create a new disc for the newly aired episodes I'd have to recreate the menus, backgrounds, etc.

I'll ponder at what to do until I get my hands on a decent set of source files for the missing episodes. Once that happens I'll post plans, if any, for making another disc.

-trs

DESERTDRAGON

Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by trs80:

Of course with the rumors about Sci Fi UK and some Canadian station airing the show soon (see the official board), it's possible the missing 3 eps will appear. If so, I may come out of "retirement" LOL

Thanks for all the support and kind words thus far

-trs

trs,

Misty here. Thanks again for the great dvd's. Looking forward to your possible un-retirement for the unaired episodes! hint hint. Have you considered burning the blooper reel??

~Misty, who hopes she hasn't started anything by asking.

hey. it's worth a shot.
gentlehunger@hotmail.com

... see you Space Cowboy.
(-Cowboy Bebop)

DESERTDRAGON

Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:06 AM

Oops. Didn't see your forementioned post. Sorry to hear about the effects of the crash. Hope things will trun out okay.

~Misty

... see you Space Cowboy.
(-Cowboy Bebop)

LERXST

Tuesday, March 25, 2003 4:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ManiacNumberOne:

stop "bumping"
It's annoying.

Yer a mean ol' man.

_________________________________________________
Cap'n, can I have money for a slinky dress?

MOOSE

Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:24 PM

Thanks for the DVDs, TRS80!!!

BTW: bump

MONTESA

Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:37 PM

Thanks for the set TRS80! It arrived Monday and I have already watched the first three episodes (in order this time :o) I am in heaven! Thanks again!

Montesa

THERESA

Wednesday, March 26, 2003 1:20 AM

I got this email
"We've added a news item for "Firefly " to the site. Here it is:

Release news - 4:55 PM 3/25/2003
We just posted news regarding a Firefly release to the site.

You were sent this email because you have expressed having "Firefly " released
on DVD. If you no longer want to receive these emails you may change the setting
in your User Options - "Change Account Information".

Gord Lacey - http://www.TVShowsOnDVD.com"

From tvshowsondvd.com

if that doesn't work here's the site:

http://64.4.36.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=dae20dd3ca23d7f7526278a
34242fa27&lat=1048641348&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eTVShowsOnDVD%2ecom

DRAKKEN

Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:56 PM

Just wanted to thank TRS80 for a great job on those DVD's. I know many people have already said good things, but I figure one more BIG THANK YOU! wouldn't hurt.

TRS80

Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:05 PM

Thanks for the kind words.

We're coming down to the wire folks. 5 sets left now.

Of course, maybe nobody wants them now that there's talk of an official DVD set

-trs

IDAVE

Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:33 PM

trs80,

I haven't heard from you by email. I'd like one of those last sets. Please let me know the details.

Thanks.

TRS80

Thursday, March 27, 2003 5:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by iDave:
trs80,

I haven't heard from you by email. I'd like one of those last sets. Please let me know the details.

Thanks.

I just sent you a message via this board idave. Post here if you didn't get it.

-trs

CHANNAIN

Friday, March 28, 2003 3:03 AM

oh gee, which would I prefer--a DVD set made with love that I can get right now or an alleged DVD set that's only been talked about at some meeting in LaLaLand? hmmmmm, let me think.

i love my TRS80...and I haven't even gotten my set yet.

"I'm still flyin'...that's enough." ~ Mal

IDAVE

Friday, March 28, 2003 5:14 PM

trs,
I sent a message to the address you provided, but it got a daemon reject. I tried again this AM.

(You know, life will be great if this new-fangled email technology ever gets off the ground....)

iDave

TRS80

Friday, March 28, 2003 7:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
i love my TRS80...and I haven't even gotten my set yet.

-trs

TRS80

Friday, March 28, 2003 7:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by iDave:
trs,
I sent a message to the address you provided, but it got a daemon reject. I tried again this AM.

(You know, life will be great if this new-fangled email technology ever gets off the ground....)

iDave

that means you have a BAD BAD server iDave! i'm sending you a private message...

-trs

TRS80

Saturday, March 29, 2003 2:05 AM

finally started exchanging emails with idave.

update for everyone regarding sets...

there are 3 plains and 1 color left.

what? a color? didn't i post saying all of the colors were gone? yes...i did. but i forgot about one set which was loaned out. it's back now and ready for the first taker!

-trs

TRAGICSTORY

Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:50 AM

Hello All,
First off, I just got my Firefly DVDs and they rock. Second, I played them on a PS2 and as stated above, it would play the first disc, but then it would have issues saying Disc Read Error. Naturally, this pissed me off so I went ahead and solved the problem. (Like I would let technology get in the way of me watching Firefly)

The problem with the disc read error is that the DVD itself is too thin/light for the PS2 spindle to get a good hold on it. So there are two (actually three)solutions. By order of least expensive they are:

1. Put your PS2 on its side and it might work. This did it for me. (the side groove in the loading tray stablizes the DVD so it can be read)

2. Put scotch tape or the cd label hole around the clear part of the TITLE of the DVD hole to give it extra weight.

3. Call Sony tell them that your PS2 will not read the new "Blue Discs" and after going through the 20 questions of "did you clean it?" they should offer to repair it free of charge minus postage. (not really sure if this would work, but paying 20 USD for free maintnance on your PS2 isn't so bad.

If this doesn't work do an internet search on "blue disc DVD PS2 Read error" or something similar for more ideas.

Off to watch more Firefly

"Societies are supported by human activity, therefore they are constantly threatened by the human facts of self-intrest and stupidity." --Peter Berger

ALEXANDRIA

Sunday, March 30, 2003 4:51 AM

I just wanted to say Thanks to Trs80. I just got my Dvds and while they don't worn on either my, or my dad's players (I'm not surprised, though one is only a year old and one only a few month, they are quite tempermental) They work beautifully on my 'puter (puter has surround sound anyways) The menus are so pretty!!!!!
Thanks Trs80!!!!

TRS80

Monday, March 31, 2003 8:28 PM

Thanks everyone for the continued nice comments

1 plain and 1 color set left now. Any takers?

If you buy both sets (color set for yourself, plain set as a loaner for example) I'll discount the price. Contact me: trs80@cornerpub.com

-trs

TRAGICSTORY

Monday, March 31, 2003 9:26 PM

If I could convince myself that I needed 3 sets I would buy them.

NOTE: Needed, not wanted.

ME: " I want it. I want it, I want it.
BRAIN: "Why? you already have one."
ME: "SHUT UP BRAIN"
Addiction is a funny thing.

"Societies are supported by human activity, therefore they are constantly threatened by the human facts of self-intrest and stupidity." --Peter Berger

NORMANNA

Wednesday, April 2, 2003 5:56 AM

TRS80,

I received the DVDs today.
Thanks for the quick service.

Folks, this ain't an April Fools Day joke:

Believe the hype...
This product is that damn good!
It's true, it's true...

Instead of petitioning Fox to release a Firefly DVD set, people should be petitioning TRS80 to continue pushing his product...

I guess I'll have to miss watching American Idol, err...I mean, The Shield's season finale tonight...

CHANNAIN

Wednesday, April 2, 2003 3:20 PM

ever seen a grown browncoat do the monkey chair dance of joy? wanna? then get your TRS80 Firefly DVDs now because people, they are the shiniest.

just to put this in perspective for y'all, i've been existing on two--count 'em, two--episodes until this point; Serenity and Train Job, both on VHS, both with commercials. i put the first disc in my Sony player this morning and felt the first chill as the theme started to play...

thank you TRS80...

"I'm still flyin'...that's enough." ~ Mal

TRS80

Thursday, April 3, 2003 1:09 AM

thanks again for the nice comments!

of course, now that they're almost gone i'm getting lots of new inquiries about them! LOL

does anyone have interest in taking this project from me? if so, please contact me: trs80@cornerpub.com i'm happy to pass the torch to someone willing to keep this alive.

-trs

IDAVE

Thursday, April 3, 2003 4:04 AM

I got my DVDs today, and they're great!! So add another shout-out to TRS, with mad props, and fizzin' for his bizzin', and whatever else kO0l kidz would say.

iDave

KENWOOD

Sunday, April 6, 2003 3:21 AM

Hey,

Bless your little 4 bit heart. I got them in just a few days but my go se RCA player wouldn't take em. Just got a new Sony today and they work great. Look terrific too. You really did a tremendous job. Hope your willing to continue. ( No pressure there. )

Thanks,

Ken.

Don't look back, som'thin' might be gainin' on ya.
Who let the pigs play poker?
Evo Shander was right!

TRS80

Monday, April 7, 2003 1:45 AM

OK everyone...that's it! No mas!!

I'm glad the interest was sufficient to make sure I didn't lose money in all of this.

Overall I think I made about $20 It wasn't my intention to make money, but with varying shipping cost, etc., it just sort of worked out that way.

There *may* be someone interested in taking over for me. If that does happen that person will be posting here to let everyone know.

Also, as far as a disc for the soon to be aired missing eps...I havent made any decisions yet. I'm leaning towards not making one since news of the official DVD set seems to be promising!

-trs

TABITHA

Tuesday, April 8, 2003 2:43 PM

Ok, a couple of things to share/note.

1) I am located in the UK, have the SciFi channel, and will shortly be purchasing an EyeTV to rip tv shows. I would be happy to sort Trs or any other potential US person who feels like distributing copies to those stateside with the new episodes in high quality format when they arrive on UK tv (I'll be writing a dissertation, or I'd offer to do it myself).
Whatever happens I will make the eps available on kazaa/winmx.

2) The official dvds will probably be out first, so there might not be any point in doing the above ;)

3) Does anyone know who this is: http://www.sueandstuswedding.com/ebay/firefly.htm
Looks like they want to see them on Ebay, I wonder how much they are charging (i've got a profit-making vibe coming off the page)

4) I loooove TRS's DVD, and unflagging devotion to the cause. Quick question - how many sets overall did you ship, if you don't mind me asking? I would just like to get an indication of how much interest there was.

www.ascifi.com

PHYSICSCHICK

Tuesday, April 8, 2003 6:36 PM

Tabitha - I did talk to that guy. At first he seems nice, friendly, fan-to-fan collector. I inquired about Shindig (the only episode I don't have on SVCD), and he sent me a form letter about the episodes, with an additional line that said he had a Paypal account (ha! first tip off). I wrote back and said no thanks, I just need Shindig. He then wrote me and said he could do that for me for five pounds plus shipping, which would probably double that. Profit-making? I'm thinking so.... but I don't know how much things cost in the UK either.

I would be willing to make SVCDs for people (no DVD burner, unfortunately), until such time as they come out on DVD, when I will cut it off. I just need Shindig to be able to start, mine's got a tiny glitch that drives me batty!

Just thought of something - TRS80, how did people pay you for shipping / materials? Do you have Paypal? Maybe it's not as unusual as I'd thought...

NOOCYTE

Tuesday, April 8, 2003 7:00 PM

Hi;

TRS used PayPal as well. Convenient format. As for the glitch in "Shindig," I do believe it was an error in the source download, since I have two sets (got one set as a loaner), and both have the hiccough in exactly the same place (Murphy saying to Bannon that she has a lovely dress, and that it must've taken a dozen slaves a dozen days to get her into it). So it goes.

I do hope that the official DVD hits the market soon enough to obviate the need for a second set of disks with the new eps on them, but these things take time, and the show is running in the UK next month, so that kind, generous person who offered to put the eps up on WinMX may be our benefactor for the time being.

On the subject of the official disks, I had posted on another thread the intention of purchasing sets not only for myself and for friends, but also to get a set and contribute it to a local library's AV section. What do folks think of that idea?

Keep flyin'!

Department of Redundancy Department

PHYSICSCHICK

Tuesday, April 8, 2003 7:08 PM

Ah, well that's good to know. I won't be so automatically mistrustful of those with Paypal anymore. In any case, I still would've had to pay about $25 Canadian for one ep, and he avoided a direct question about the quality. So.

I really like the library idea - however, I know most of the media our local library carries is educational or has historical or local significance. I suppose Jewel IS from Vancouver...

I sure hope the DVDs come out soon, it would be stupid for 20thCentFox to wait until after UKSciFi shows the unaired eps! (At least, that's what I keep telling myself - I know I'll buy the DVDs anyways!)

TRS80

Wednesday, April 9, 2003 6:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tabitha:

3) Does anyone know who this is: http://www.sueandstuswedding.com/ebay/firefly.htm
Looks like they want to see them on Ebay, I wonder how much they are charging (i've got a profit-making vibe coming off the page)

4) I loooove TRS's DVD, and unflagging devotion to the cause. Quick question - how many sets overall did you ship, if you don't mind me asking? I would just like to get an indication of how much interest there was.

Woah, the set put together on that site you mention looks impressive. If anyone decides to pickup a set, I'd be interested to hear what they're asking for them.

Please contact me directly (trs80@cornerpub.com) for the info you're looking for. I'd rather not post it in the open for all to see

-trs

TRS80

Wednesday, April 9, 2003 6:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhysicsChick:
Just thought of something - TRS80, how did people pay you for shipping / materials? Do you have Paypal? Maybe it's not as unusual as I'd thought...

People paid via paypal, money order, or check. Money order was the most popular though.

I have a good rating with paypal, since I've done some selling/buying on ebay. So, most people weren't all that concerned that I was going to rip them off.

Same answer to you about figures...contact me directly please: tr80@cornerpub.com

-trs

TRS80

Wednesday, April 9, 2003 6:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Noocyte:
As for the glitch in "Shindig," I do believe it was an error in the source download, since I have two sets (got one set as a loaner), and both have the hiccough in exactly the same place (Murphy saying to Bannon that she has a lovely dress, and that it must've taken a dozen slaves a dozen days to get her into it).

You are correct. The glitch was present in the original SVCD source files.

I took quite a bit of time to experiment with settings, etc., to make as good a set as possible. If you watch the original file and compare it to the dvd, I doubt you'll notice any difference at all.

-trs

NOOCYTE

Wednesday, April 9, 2003 6:26 AM

Dude, you're preaching to the choir here; one small glitch in three lovingly crafted disks...well, I'd call that a win!

I only hope that A) some worthy successor steps up to continue your work (till we get the official disks!!!); and B) they're as scrupulous and honorable-like as you've abundantly shown yourself to be (don't make faces).

Keep flyin'!

Department of Redundancy Department

MARKUZR

Wednesday, April 9, 2003 2:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by trs80:
does anyone have interest in taking this project from me?

Hey TRS

I'd be interested to take the project from you - I dunno how much you were charging for your sets so I don't know if it will be possible or not though. I created that set at stuandsueswedding.com - spent two weeks working on it for myself and ended up sending a couple of sets down to a friend of mine, who's obviously decided to sell them on... fair enough I suppose, there's nothing I can do to stop that :)

The cost of the materials for my set is quite high though as you have 4 Verbatim DVD-R discs, 4 full colour glossy labels, full colour glossy cover, quad DVD case plus it's quite heavy for shipping because of the case. At the end of the day though, it depends what you're looking for!! When I made the sets I didn't expect them to ever be released on DVD and I hate having VCDs lying around - it spoils the whole DVD collection, so I set about making the set for myself.

I'm a DVD freak, a collector, a sci-fi nut and someone who can't help tinkering around with things, which is why I ended up playing with DVD authoring 6 months ago. I can't get enough of it - the feeling of sliding in the disc tray and watching your menu screen come up EXACTLY how you imagined it is incredible!!!

Anyway, I'm rabbling on now!! The offer is there if you want, but ONLY until they come out officially because I'll be first in line to buy them when they do. Can't guarantee that I'll prefer the official ones though!! Heh heh

Thanks

M

TRS80

Wednesday, April 9, 2003 4:59 PM

hey MarkuzR,

contact me directly please and we'll discuss: trs80@cornerpub.com

-trs

TEMJIN88

Friday, April 11, 2003 3:57 AM

trs80,
Just received your DVD set and want to be the next in a long line of admirers to praise your awesome efforts! The eps are fantastic and there's nothing like watching them on TV on a comfy couch as opposed to in front of a computer monitor. Already had a viewing party and made a whole bunch of new Browncoat converts!
Thanks for making my job in the campaign of "winning the hearts and minds" of Canucks to the Firefly cause that much easier!

GARYSIMZ

Saturday, April 12, 2003 10:35 PM

WOOOOOW!!! Holy cow!!!!
I got my 4 DVD set from Markuz today and it is more than I ever imagined! Fox will have to work hard to have a better looking set than this!

thank you soooooooo much!
Gaz

LERXST

Saturday, April 12, 2003 10:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by GarySimz:

I got my 4 DVD set from Markuz today and it is more than I ever imagined!

So, does this mean Markuz has officially taken over for TRS80?

_________________________________________________
Cap'n, can I have money for a slinky dress?

MARKUZR

Saturday, April 12, 2003 11:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by GarySimz:
WOOOOOW!!! Holy cow!!!!
I got my 4 DVD set from Markuz today and it is more than I ever imagined! Fox will have to work hard to have a better looking set than this!

thank you soooooooo much!
Gaz

Greets Gaz!!

Didn't think you'd get them so quick, that's a first!!! Glad you like them, I told you I put my heart into them didn't I?!

to Lerxst:
Well, TRS and I have had a back and forth email session a few days ago and he seems pretty happy about it although he's not come out and said anything officially yet! I sent him over the artwork for the cover, labels and menu screens.

My materials are more expensive though as I use Verbatim discs, quad cases, high gloss paper and labels so the cost of the set itself is quite high. Corner CAN be cut though! Using cheap labels cuts down the cost of the labels a little but cuts down a LOT on the ink!!

Put it this way, if people are still wanting a set, I have the means and it IS an amazing set, purely because I made it for myself as a fan! I don't think I would have put QUITE so much effort into it if I was doing it for someone else. I'm a geek, but I admit it. The person who called me a Xander for having a stormtrooper costume was spot on!! :)

M

TRS80

Monday, April 14, 2003 6:28 PM

hi all,

MARKUZR and I did discuss his taking over for me.

here's where i stand at the moment:

i'm thru making sets for now. as indicated previously in this thread, when i get a decent set of source files for the missing episodes i'll decide what to do about producing another disc for it.

i've seen the graphics and some screenshots of what MARKUZR has and it looks to be great. but just so it's clear: he's NOT using the same graphics/files that i used to produce my sets. so his sets are different than mine, and of course i can't say anything about their quality/compatibility, etc. just wanted to make sure everyone is clear on this.

i would like to thank MARKUZR for offering to keep fan produced sets available to the public, and hope anyone still needing a set will look to him for one.

-trs

SWITCHY

Monday, April 14, 2003 7:13 PM

I'm curious about the DVD. How much and how long to ship? It sounds like you have a good thing going but I also wanted to know if they will play on an Xbox. Thanks

Now for another exciting adventure in sitting.

MARKUZR

Monday, April 14, 2003 9:27 PM

Hey Switchy

I'd appreciate if anyone needing information would contact me off-forum at markuz@aghora.org and we can take it from there.

For what it's worth, according to the foremost online authority in these matters, the XBox is compatible, but you can have a look yourself...

http://www.dvdrhelp.com/dvdplayers.php?DVDname=xbox&dvdr=1&Search=Sear
ch

TRS80

Tuesday, April 15, 2003 5:36 AM

everyone i heard from said my discs played in the xbox flawlessly.

-trs