ALL ENGLAND BROWNCOATS SOUND OFF!!!!!!

POSTED BY: Static
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 09:54
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STATIC

Thursday, July 7, 2005 1:48 PM

Please let us know you're okay!!!! Maybe we can keep this thread bumped until we've got a reasonable head count.

RELFEXIVE

Thursday, July 7, 2005 1:56 PM

Thanks for the concern. We're not all in London, though, so we're not all at risk. Some of us are, however, or know those who are. So again, thanks.

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SOULOFSERENITY

Thursday, July 7, 2005 2:02 PM

Yes, keep this bumped!!!!

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CHANNAIN

Thursday, July 7, 2005 2:08 PM

Looking out at a bright and shiny day in Minnesota, reminded of another day just like this in September not so long ago, I'm keeping this bumped as well.

Interesting how much smaller the world seems when something like this happens.

Josh, who I refer to as Spacebug, lives outside the city. I'll be e-mailing him anyway, just in case.

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PHOEBE

Thursday, July 7, 2005 2:21 PM

*raises hand* I'm a little over an hour away from the blasts, so I'm okay.

THEDUKE

Thursday, July 7, 2005 2:23 PM

I hope all browncoats are fine, in fact i hope as many people as possible are alright.
I have a couple of times referenced the fact that i'm from england, so am posting to say that i live nowhere near london but my thoughts are with those who do.

This is bad, is bl**dy awful. I feel for all those affected, and i pity those who think that these kinds of actions further their cause. I pity you, because you have no crasp on reality; the reality is that you are killing people, destroying lives, and it is wrong, it's always wrong.

So, hope all Browncoats are okay, also hope that as many people as possible recover.

Saddened Duke, signing off. (will help keep this bumped.)

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JAINA

Thursday, July 7, 2005 2:26 PM

half hour away and i'm fine :) luckily my brother has stopped working in the city as well .. so big relief.

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SIMONWHO

Thursday, July 7, 2005 2:44 PM

I don't live in London anymore and thankfully my sister and mother who are in London today are both fine.

JAKE7

Thursday, July 7, 2005 2:56 PM

Doing my part in keeping this bumped. My thoughts are with you over in England!!

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NAKEDANDARTICULATE

Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:03 PM

BUMP

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DIETCOKE

Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:06 PM

What happen today in London, Browncoats?

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SOULOFSERENITY

Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dietcoke:
What happen today in London, Browncoats?

4 bombs went off. 3 in the subways and 1 on a bus. As of right now, at least 40 people are dead and over 300 injured. It seems to be a terrorist attack.

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CHANNAIN

Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dietcoke:
What happen today in London, Browncoats?

NY/NJ Browncoats: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/firefly_nyc

From Yahoo! News:

Four London Blasts Kill 40, Injure 300
AP - 30 minutes ago
Four blasts rocked the London subway and tore open a packed double-decker bus during the morning rush hour Thursday, sending bloodied victims fleeing after what a shaken Prime Minister Tony Blair called "barbaric" terrorist attacks. At least 40 people were killed and more than 350 wounded. Two U.S. law enforcement officials said at least 40 people were killed. In London, Deputy Assistant Commissioner Brian Piddick said at least 33 people killed in the subway system alone.

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BADGERGIRL

Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:13 PM

*bump*

My prayers are with everyone in London.

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EMMA

Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:21 PM

For news with this issue BBC is probably the best as it publishes confirmed information.
See:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4661059.stm

Summary:
7 blasts went off. 4 have been confirmed as bombs, 3 are probably bombs but investigators are working on finding the evidence. 6 blasts were in the underground and 1 was on the top floor of a double-decker bus. 33 people have been confirmed dead although this is likely to rise. London Underground is completely closed, the buses are not running through central London and many of the train stations are closed or offering a limited service.

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SERENITYPUNK

Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:48 PM

im about a half hour away

but we are fine

friends and family in the city are ok too

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JADEHAND

Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:53 PM

I woke up exhausted this morning with the news of this attack on the TV. I kept trying to nod off again in hopes of waking up "for real" and finding this to be just some horror from my head. Alas, no such luck. Just want to say that in spite of the horror some can bring, I'm pleased to see the love than comes out of it from all the Browncoats here. Hope all you Browncoats and all your loved ones in the area are well.

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CHANNAIN

Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Emma:
For news with this issue BBC is probably the best as it publishes confirmed information.
See.

I'm sure the AP (Associated Press) is keeping their facts straight as well. Last thing this needs is a hyperspeed rumor mill.

On 9/11, everyone was checking all the news sources, so the only timely updates I could find were on the NASDAQ Web site. The editors over there stopped posting research and started putting up ALL CAPS headlines as information came out.

(This is mainly to keep this thread *bumped*) I sent an e-mail to Spacebug, but he hasn't answered yet. Hopefully, they're on holiday in the north somewhere, or glued to the TV.

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CHANNAIN

Thursday, July 7, 2005 4:50 PM

I just heard from Josh (who I refer to as Spacebug) and he's fine. He lives outside of London (1 or so hours away, I believe). However, his father and sister were apparently 2 minutes away from the blasts, but they are also fine.

This is all just too weird. Makes one wonder if the earth will get far enough to make for the stars one day.

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HOTPOINT

Thursday, July 7, 2005 5:08 PM

I live on the south coast in Portsmouth now but I used to live in London back when the IRA were setting off the occasional device themselves.

Sounds a bit strange but the best way to beat terrorism like this is to ignore it and get on with your life as usual. The main aim of an attack like this is actually economic disruption (hence hitting the transport infrastructure) so the typical over-reaction to the event is exactly what the perpetrator wants.

Still waiting to hear from friends who live in London myself

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WHITEFALL

Thursday, July 7, 2005 6:19 PM

Well I'm in the US, but... this is downright disturbing...

I had been meaning to email my cousins, ya know, stay in touch, that sorta thing... I hadnt got around to it yet... and now this.

They live part in Ulster, but then some are in London, Reading specifically. I know that isnt exactly downtown London in the strictest sense, but.... just makes me wonder, what if I'd lost someone today, and I would feel so stupid for not emailing them................

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ZOL

Thursday, July 7, 2005 6:22 PM

Thanks for the concern,

I don`t live anywhere near London, but to many in the U.S. 100 odd miles isn`t that far away.

The disruption wasn`t just in London either, Trains coming/going into London from Swindon were stopped, Motorways ground to a halt in areas around the M25/M4.

It has been reported on Sky News/CNN that over 700 were injured & 39 fatalities - an unknown Alqueda Europe has taken the blame for this although no-one in tyhe security services has made any comment about the post made on a website.

We look forward to something getting back to normal tomorrow, although I`m ill in bed at the moment.

take it easy.

Darin

CHRISISALL

Thursday, July 7, 2005 6:27 PM

My sympathy to those in pain.
*bump*

Chrisisall

ARAMINA

Thursday, July 7, 2005 6:36 PM

Raises hand, realises that she hasn't posted here often enough for people to know she lives in England, but adds to the count nonetheless.

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P1NKISPUNK

Thursday, July 7, 2005 6:59 PM

I'm also an hour away. Strange and disturbing and so very close to home.

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HEB

Thursday, July 7, 2005 7:43 PM

Hi,

I'm fine here in Swindon. I was supposed to be travelling through London tomorrow but have rearranged.

My sympathies go out to all those affected by the tragedy.

Keep Flying all.

Heather

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LOSTEARTHMOTHER

Thursday, July 7, 2005 7:49 PM

We're all OK. The loss of the mobile networks was much more worrying overall than the bombs going off.

We've seen worse. Normal service will resume tomorrow.

WHOISRIVER

Thursday, July 7, 2005 8:43 PM

I have tracked down nearly everybody involved in Serenity in the UK (from an official stance) now - all okay. Their office is nearby effected areas.

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WEETABIX

Thursday, July 7, 2005 9:00 PM

I'm in Surrey so I'm fine. Was worried about my dad though cause he takes the tube to work.

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JAINA

Thursday, July 7, 2005 9:00 PM

been one hell of a day. managed to account for all my friends by half seven this evening.

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BRITCHICK

Thursday, July 7, 2005 9:29 PM

20 miles away so am fine. Family working in London also fine.
Thanks for all your good wishes.

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BROSFLIPPER

Thursday, July 7, 2005 10:12 PM

Thanks for your thoughts.
London will not be bowed by terrorists...
Friends were just around the corner from the bus that blew up, but are now all home and safe. Doctor friends were on the scene and it was not good.
Tonight travelling out of the city was strange - the place is deserted, but I fully expect the place to be back up and running asap.
My thoughts go out to all those not going home tonight.

FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Thursday, July 7, 2005 10:16 PM

Our thoughts are with all of the people affected by the blasts this morning.

Glad that London has excellent response teams.

God speed!

HILARYJANEUK

Thursday, July 7, 2005 10:44 PM

I live just outside London and work in Central London. Luckily got into work just as bombs were going off, but luckily was only affected by having problems getting home from work.

We Londoners won't let the b*stards beat us!

THATWEIRDGIRL

Thursday, July 7, 2005 11:22 PM

All day I’ve been waiting to get home to my computer to make sure you were okay, your families were okay, and your spirits were okay. I’m glad to see so many of you posting here. Know that you are in our thoughts and prayers. If it helps…you can have all my strength. Here’s to a speedy return to ‘normalcy’.

You need us, call...we'll do what we can.

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YENRIVER

Friday, July 8, 2005 1:02 AM

BUMP

CASTIRONJACK

Friday, July 8, 2005 2:57 AM

*bump*

ANTHONYT

Friday, July 8, 2005 3:46 AM

God Bless the Unflappable Brits.

Explosions for breakfast, followed by noon-time tea.

There is no better way to give the to the heinous purpetrators than to go on with your lives, while quietly investigating and hunting them down behind the scenes.

Congrats. You folks have been doing this for much longer than us, and it shows.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

JAINA

Friday, July 8, 2005 10:41 AM

it's brilliant to see people getting back to work this morning and just getting on. though part of me wishes this non-stop news broadcast 24/7 on the subject would stop. yes have the odd hourly update, but not the whole day.

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ZOL

Friday, July 8, 2005 10:47 AM

Hi, I`m not very well, got cold/flu but I have to agree, I`m a bit down due to being all bunged up and you just can`t avoid the news on the networks, I`ve resolved to watch Wonderfalls on DVD to cheer me up.

On a Serenity note, there has been no new trailer on GMTV due to all this news, Gossi/WhoIsRiver is trying to find out more info, and as soon as he has it, I`m sure he`ll keep us upto date.

Chin up, keep smiling.

Darin (Zol.)

ALANFRANCIS

Friday, July 8, 2005 1:43 PM

I hope everyone's friends and family are unharmed.

My parents were to be in London on the 7th of July, so I'm lucky they didn't go.

I'm glad to hear your OK heb.

For anyone that is affected by this tragedy, just remember, your not alone. You have many a browncoat to take comfort in.

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Keep flyin'

ZOID

Friday, July 8, 2005 2:15 PM

Have we heard from all of London's Browncoat Regulars yet? Seems a pretty sparse response from what I assumed to be a largish community (say, 10 times the number of replies thus far). Still, I suppose many have other more pressing things to attend to than a discussion group...

Let's keep it bumped though, until all are accounted for, 'right?

My wife, who is English, has family who until recently were Londoners. They are all fine, and have survived The Blitz and various other subsequent attacks on civilian targets in that city, until the last remnants finally retired to the Suffolk countryside last year. In the not too distant future, the last of her family tree will disappear from England -- the offspring having moved to New Zealand and the US -- and that is a grievous shame, imo.

British resolve -- and particularly English resolve -- has not gained its reknown falsely. I may be a lowly mongrel Yank, but I remember that this one, small, weather-beaten isle once stood alone against the concerted might of one of the most fearsome war machines ever assembled, and has a collective Will of iron. Whoever has perpetrated this crime really should have done a better job reading and comprehending their history texts. I suspect they have made (to paraphrase Mercutio) a grave mistake...

Sentiments of 'getting your own back' possibly, at some future date, once the dead have been buried, the injured tended, and the perpetrators positively identified. The silly sods'll probably get around to incriminating themselves, er, 'claiming their victory' within the next couple of days, via taped message from a rat's hole in Afghanistan (or Paris), the morons...

Respectfully,

zoid

P.S.
Exactly how stupid -- beyond simply brainwashed and insular -- does one have to be in order to think that such acts of terrorism against civilian targets are bringing the world to a proper relationship with Allah? Or is it just the fun of killing defenseless people? ("See how the grandmother and baby explode? Jolly good!") I'm probably missing the terrorists'/freedom fighters'/jihadin's delicate philosophical point entirely, but that's what it boils down to for a common man like me.

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CHANNAIN

Friday, July 8, 2005 4:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
God Bless the Unflappable Brits.

Explosions for breakfast, followed by noon-time tea.

There is no better way to give the to the heinous purpetrators than to go on with your lives, while quietly investigating and hunting them down behind the scenes.

Congrats. You folks have been doing this for much longer than us, and it shows.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

I like that one.

Still bumping, just to make sure everyone's been accounted for.

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BARNEYT

Friday, July 8, 2005 4:10 PM

Thanks everyone! I don't live in London but my sister does - she and all of her friends are fine, thank goodness.

All my hopes to the injured.

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CHANNAIN

Friday, July 8, 2005 4:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:
British resolve -- and particularly English resolve -- has not gained its reknown falsely. I may be a lowly mongrel Yank, but I remember that this one, small, weather-beaten isle once stood alone against the concerted might of one of the most fearsome war machines ever assembled, and has a collective Will of iron. Whoever has perpetrated this crime really should have done a better job reading and comprehending their history texts. I suspect they have made (to paraphrase Mercutio) a grave mistake...

Judging from Tony Blair's expression during his comments yesterday, I would have to agree.

Quote:
Exactly how stupid -- beyond simply brainwashed and insular -- does one have to be in order to think that such acts of terrorism against civilian targets are bringing the world to a proper relationship with Allah? Or is it just the fun of killing defenseless people? ("See how the grandmother and baby explode? Jolly good!") I'm probably missing the terrorists'/freedom fighters'/jihadin's delicate philosophical point entirely, but that's what it boils down to for a common man like me.

I haven't noticed that "WWMD" is used in the same context that we would say "WWJD", but that doesn't mean it isn't. Although it does seem unfathomable that a relationship with one's God would warrant this kind of atrocity, there are Christians with some funny ideas on how to serve their faith... for instance:

Let's not forget what pro-life activists can do in pursuit of their cause. Never fails to amaze me that a group that believes in the preservation of all human life can justify getting their point across by setting off a bomb in a clinic.

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SIMONWHO

Friday, July 8, 2005 4:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:

There is no better way to give the to the heinous purpetrators than to go on with your lives, while quietly investigating and hunting them down behind the scenes.

Terribly sorry old bean but that's not quite how we do things over here. It's more like this:

It's just one of our little traditions, ask your local Frenchman why.

JILLFOX22

Friday, July 8, 2005 4:39 PM

I'm good, wasn't in London myself but had a few mates there. They've all checked in safe, thankfully.

PHAEDRA

Friday, July 8, 2005 5:30 PM

**Bump**

I've been a New Yorker for 10 years now and was standing on the street when the World Trade Center building came down. Oddly enough, it was a mixed blessing. It was my first year in law school and I made some of my best friends over the next couple of days (mainly because I was housing a bunch of people whose apartments were in the blast zone). I guess what I'm trying to say is that now is the time to be with those that you love and/or find someone new to love. My prayers are with all of you, to call this a terrible tragedy doesn't encompass the plethora of feelings you must be experiencing. For what its worth, my prayers and thoughts are with you.

Phaedra (a bad luck name)

ZOID

Friday, July 8, 2005 5:40 PM

Channy:

Ah, religion! I honestly thought of including every group that engages in killing non-combatants to advance its ideological goals, i.e., American Separatists (OKC bombing), IRA, etc.; but I felt it would only lengthen my already over-wordy post.

As to your example, I don't consider 'pro-life' Christians who kill (or endorse the same) in the name of God, to be Christians at all. From Matthew 26: 51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus [Simon Peter, according to John 18:10] stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant [named Malchus, ibid] of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. 52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. ...Luke 22 has it thus: 49 When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword? 50 And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear. 51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.

I think a true Christian's mandate is clear: killing in the name of the Lord is in contradiction to the words and deeds of Jesus, and antithetical to the basis of our belief.

I'll then take it to the nth degree and say that these men -- whether they are IRA, American Separatists, jihadin, radical pro-lifers, or whatever group that fear they are losing their grip on perceived dominance -- are simply murderous criminals and cowards. There is nothing noble about them, and all their protestations to the contrary are lies of varying cleverness and subtlety. None of them represent any group of sane people, regardless of race, religion, sex or creed...

See? I told you it made the post wordier. Also, while I figured I was skating the thin ice of appropriateness with the previous post by even mentioning the possible assailants, their motives, and the possible reaction of the British "collective Will", I reckon this post has taken it much further than just about anybody will be comfortable with.

But, that's the joy of being a "lowly mongrel Yank" (and a Texican to boot). We just don't give a damn if we cross the line. I wasn't gonna say any of that, but you brought it up and it needed to be said in any case...

Insensitively (or 'American-ly'),

zoid
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CHANNAIN

Friday, July 8, 2005 6:37 PM

Zoid -

It was not my intention to "bring up" anything that would hyjack this post for a discussion on religiosity. I wrote a pretty lengthy response and posted it, then thought better of it and took it down.

This is not the place for the kind of discussion we almost had. This is for the England Browncoats, so we can hear from them and know they're okay.

Zoid, if you'd like to find out what I wrote, I'll send it to you--from one Lowly Mongrel Yank to another (don't let the avatar fool you).

Meanwhile, I'm just glad we're getting the responses trickling in ever so slowly.

Channain

NIKNAK

Friday, July 8, 2005 6:45 PM

I'm alive. Thankfully so are all my friends and collegues at work, some of whom were in London at the time.

ELSI001

Friday, July 8, 2005 7:15 PM

Bump

I'm based in Lancashire - way north of Watford Gap, not near London at all but my prayers go out to all affected by the blasts in the City, my own friends are all fine.

Keep flying

Elsi001

PSYCHICRIVER

Friday, July 8, 2005 7:19 PM

I'm here! And okay!

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RUXTON

Friday, July 8, 2005 7:21 PM

Zoid said:
"Exactly how stupid -- beyond simply brainwashed and insular -- does one have to be in order to think that such acts of terrorism against civilian targets are bringing the world to a proper relationship with Allah?.... I'm probably missing the terrorists'/freedom fighters'/jihadin's delicate philosophical point entirely, but that's what it boils down to for a common man like me."

Mr. Zoid, I agree with you that these acts do nothing to bring us all together, but one MUST ask "Who benefits?" from such an attack. The Brits had just declared they planned to remove all troops from Iraq in the foreseeable future. Knowing this, why would any "terrorist" of Iraq choose to antagonize a country which had just declared it wanted no more part of that war? One must be very sure of where the blame lies before any fingers can be pointed.

I don't believe any common terrorist group was behind it because they don't gain anything. However, it is well established that Israelis (NOT Scotland Yard) warned Netanyahu BEFORE the attack, but warned no other group. (Even Matt Drudge had this info.) Do the Israelis benefit from raising British (and resulting world-wide) antagonism against Iraq or other mid-East countries? You bet they do.

Coincident here is drawing attention away from Plamegate/Rove and from the unpopular ID-card discussions in Britain. Again, let's look with curious minds at who benefits rather than blindly accept what we're told.

Any who wish to exercise analytical thought (over knee-jerk reaction to phony news services), and who seek enlightenment on this event might visit [ www.whatreallyhappened.com] and start reading.

Thank you all for your time.

RUXTON

Friday, July 8, 2005 8:01 PM

Just found this excellent commentary, which might offend some, but touches on enough good points and has enough insight that I recommend it to anyone who is disgusted with these ongoing violent events.

It's called "When the Cops are Crooks," and is by John Kaminsky:
http://www.rense.com/general66/crooks.htm

NICOLACLARKE

Friday, July 8, 2005 8:12 PM

Thanks to all of you for your thoughts and good wishes. I don't live in London, but I have friends who do, and I was meant to be there myself this evening. Everyone I know is well, thankfully.

All I can say is: Huzzah for London's emergency services and transport staff, who did a sterling job yesterday, dealing speedily and effectively with what could otherwise have been a much worse disaster. And watch London bounce right back

OLDENGLANDDRY

Friday, July 8, 2005 9:40 PM

All present and correct in Kent.
I live about 70 miles from London but have a brother there.Luckily he was south of the river when it all kicked off.
I'm happy to say that London seems to be taking today as business as usual. I have heard the phrase "we've just got to get on with it" a lot. The "it" meaning life in general.
London terrified. Not.

HILARYJANEUK

Friday, July 8, 2005 10:31 PM

Strange, I thought this was a Browncoats board for British Browncoats to let everyone else know they were OK.

Oh, and by the way Ruxton, I happen to be Jewish and take VERY great exception to your comments.

ZOL

Friday, July 8, 2005 10:59 PM

***I just want to make this Perfectly Clear***

I`m not much of a religous person but, I think it is totally wrong to blame religion for these peoples acts.

Muslims in this country (UK) have condemmed the attack, it was not religion who did this but was (reported to be) terrorists who stated their reason was for the `Glory of Alla` - this doesn`t mean all Muslims are terrorists, but that they have been singled out by a small group of undesirables who have claimed this act the way they have.

I think the time has come to take any talk of Who was responsible & talk of religion & other world news to the relevant forums.

As has been mentioned, this thread was due to some people who were concerned about missing loved ones & friends & for the welfare of others.

Thankyou!

Darin (Zol.)

NIKNAK

Friday, July 8, 2005 11:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zol:
Muslims in this country (UK) have condoned the attack...

I think the word you meant was condemned.

ZOL

Friday, July 8, 2005 11:14 PM

sorry now changed befor that goes off into a different realm, thanks.

Darin (Zol.)

SIMONWHO

Friday, July 8, 2005 11:53 PM

I'm not Jewish and I also take offensive at the comments. "Well established" my arse. The only respectable source that talks about a warning being given before the attacks is this piece by the Associated Press:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_expl
osions_1

However, that report a) states that it was Scotland Yard who warned Netanyahu and b) this is based on an official who wished to remain anonymous.

BROSFLIPPER

Friday, July 8, 2005 11:56 PM

I think we may be missing the point here. Regardless of religion or ideology the point of terrorism is to spread terror. Judging by the turn out in my office, and on the tubes and trains in London as I travelled in to the city today, I think the perpetrators of the violence in London have already lost. Despite the fact that most of my team travel past the sites of yesterdays attacks, they were all in work today.

I wore my "Fighting Elves" t-shirt to work, and my 2 chinese speaking staff were highly amused - they seemed to think it summed up the attitude here (and the rest were just jealous).

RUXTON

Saturday, July 9, 2005 5:38 AM

HilaryJaneUK,

Perhaps I should clarify. By "Israelis" I meant the IDF. "By way of deception, thou shalt do war." [Motto of the Mossad.] However, the news gives the info as "Israeli Embassy," not as the Mossad or IDF. However, embassies being what they are, the Mossad is implicated.

Also, you ought to take offense at what is public news, not at the messenger.

RUXTON

Saturday, July 9, 2005 6:45 AM

Simon, FYI, the link you mentioned is the same one Drudge had yester, to which I referred. If you think www.whatreallyhappened.com is not respectable (being largely a collection of links to verifiable news sites worldwide), you have not done your homework, my boy.

Also, there's this, verifying what I said:
"Several hours later, Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom officially denied reports that Scotland Yard passed any information to Israel regarding the bombings, and British police denied they had any advanced warning of the attacks. The British authorities similarly denied that any information exchange had occurred."
[ http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news2/stratfor-london.html]

The info that the Yard had contacted Netanyahu came from an anonymous source in the Israeli Foreign Ministry, NOT FROM SCOTLAND YARD! If this offends any/all, that's your problem because I didn't make it up.

Nor did I initiate the diversity of this thread. My response was to Zoid, not to anyone else here except to alert everyone to not place blame without gathering information, as was done in another thread devoted to this disaster. Get your facts straight, HilaryJane and Simon, before you blow off at the lip. For that matter, what's wrong with inspiring discussion from Brits who may be able to shed light here?

Bottom line, as I said yesterday: The day before the London attacks major news sources announced the imminent withdrawal of Brit troops from Iraq. But the attacks have resulted in Tony Blair insisting that British troops now remian in Iraq. So, who got what they wanted from the bombings? Who WANTS troops to remain in Iraq? THAT is who did the bombings.

CANTON

Saturday, July 9, 2005 6:59 AM

Don't mean to be out of line. . .but Rock on in the U.S.A! Had to say it, but I have much love for my U.K brothers and sisters!

Check out the Browncoat Online Photoalbum. Thank Fray101. http://clik.to/photoverse

SIMONWHO

Saturday, July 9, 2005 11:34 PM

First, I'm very familiar with whatreallyhappened.com and how inaccurate, biased and generally insane it is. Second, the link you posted has the incredibly unreliable source of "unconfirmed rumors in intelligence circles" for the idea that Israel warned the UK of the attacks a few days beforehand. Third, the hypothesis you're suggesting (Israel knew about the attacks, would benefit from them, therefore wanted them to go ahead) bears no relation to even the evidence you're suggesting. If (and I'm dubious to the extreme) Israel were to want the bombings to go ahead, why would they warn the UK? Indeed the article suggests that Israel may embarrass Blair by publicly acknowledging the early warning.

>> The day before the London attacks major news sources announced the imminent withdrawal of Brit troops from Iraq.

Please link to these "major news sources" then. There has been a document released discussing how we could remove troops (if by "imminent" you mean over the next year or so) but government documents discuss hypotheticals all the time, particularly when they relate to things that will eventually happen. Blair has made it clear we're in Iraq until the new government has trained up enough soldiers/policemen to replace us and the Americans. To go back on that would be political suicide.

>> So, who got what they wanted from the bombings? Who WANTS troops to remain in Iraq? THAT is who did the bombings.

Well, let me see. Lt Johnson's wife is having an affair and wants her husband to stay out there so she's got a motive. George W wants his number 1 ally to stay out there too. Jim Davidson wants to entertain the troops somewhere local to his new home in Bahrain. There's three suspects to be rounded up immediately. (Actually, I wouldn't object to the last two being detained indefinitely.)

If you want to accuse a nation or a religious group or indeed anyone of bombing London and framing Islamic terrorists for it, go ahead and do so. I'd respect you more if you didn't pussyfoot around and make vague innuendos. If you think that Ariel Sharon would authorise such a move, that one of our allies in the Middle East would attack our citizens and then warn us about their own imminent attack, well, everyone's entitled to an opinion.

ACROWLEY

Sunday, July 10, 2005 3:38 AM

Yes, yes, blah blah blah. Conspiracies abound. Grrrrr! Let's all howl at the moon, get out our aluminum foil hats and get back to the topic at hand:

LONDON BROWN COATS!

How the hell are yeh?

FANTASTICLAUGHINGFAIRY

Sunday, July 10, 2005 2:38 PM

All my family n friends are fine, thought I'd let you know.
Hope everyone else is OK too!
And my condolences go to all the families involved.

...and we will call it...this land...

ZOID

Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:04 PM

...Frankly, I'm dreadfully sorry and downright embarassed I brought up the 'real world discussion' side of this topic. If I could take it back I would; but some djinnis apparently can't be stuffed back into their bottles, simply by ignoring them and hoping they'll die of inattention.

To those who have suffered in this latest round of terrorist attacks (regardless who perpetrated them), I offer my humble apologies and beg your forgiveness. Hopefully, the other 'commentators' that I have incited will follow my lead and zip their lips on speculative input. It's a faint hope, but this thread is indeed only about the whereabouts of London Browncoat Regulars.

Does anyone have a complete(ish) head count on our brothers and sisters yet? I am truly concerned for the citizens of London in general, and our fellow 'flans' in particular...

Sheepishly,

zoid

ZOL

Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:41 PM

Has anybody heard from BECSTHEBEAST?

Cheers!

Darin (Zol.)

ZOL

Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:57 PM

Just heard from Becs, she`s okay, hasn`t been near a PC for a while,

So that`s good news!

Darin (Zol.)

AFTERGLOW

Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:39 PM

Was wondering how the UK folk were holding up.
Thanks to all y'all for the news posts. Kinda new here, but you seem like good folk.

RUXTON

Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:58 PM

Zoid, very well spoken. Thank you.

Simon, if you were "very familiar" with www.whatreallyhappened.com you would never call it the names you did. Therefore, you are either a liar, or too inexperienced for your opinion to hold water.

As ACROWLEY noted, your blathering does nothing for this thread, nor for my note to Zoid. My apologies to all who were offened here. Best wishes to all, and to all a good night.

(Special friends in Sussex, be well.)

BECSTHEBEAST

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:54 AM

Thanks for getting in contact Zol

it has been a very surreal time as i have been at a large conference just off Russell Square (near the bus bomb) since Thursday morning. I have yet to find out that someone i know was involved in this dispicable act and i hope that i don't.

missing posters are going up around the area as there are still bodies in the pipes. There will be a vigil called by the Stop the War Coalition at 2pm on Sunday near Russel Square

I don't want to say too much here as i think you are right to keep this open for people to get in touch

But two things:

Quote:
Originally posted by Zol:
***it is totally wrong to blame religion for these peoples acts.

Muslims in this country (UK) have condemmed the attack, it was not religion who did this but was (reported to be) terrorists who stated their reason was for the `Glory of Alla` - this doesn`t mean all Muslims are terrorists,Darin (Zol.)

Absolutely - call these people criminals, call them terrorists but don't call them muslims - did we refer the IRA or pro-life people as Christian Terrorists?

I read the Observer on Sunday and was disgusted by the use of three pictures of muslims which will add to the racist backlash. My friend who wears a hijab was thrown off a bus by her fellow passengers as they refused to travel with her.

I have friends who work on the tube and after Madrid no-one was shocked that this happened. Until we stop killing innocent people in Afghanistan and Iraq we will be under threat - their loss is as tragic as those who lost people on Thursday. We will have to wait until the investigations come through - but the fact that no front line staff were told what was happening until over an hour after the first explosion is horrific - management could have saved lives but the desire to keep the tube running was more important.

I hope everyone is okay