Welcome to the Riley fan club!

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:29
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CHRISISALL

Monday, July 11, 2005 9:08 PM (P)

Hey, I like the guy. I don't know what some find so annoying about him (although I'm only on ep 8 of season 4, he doesn't, like, turn into a jerk or something, does he? Scratch that, I don't wanna know at this point). I like Luke Skywalker straight arrow types. Hell, it's nice that Buffy might hit it with someone who at least has heartbeat!

Hope I'm not jumpin' the gun Chrisisall

SICKDUDE

Monday, July 11, 2005 10:06 PM (P)

Wow, Chrisisall, you're really coming along with Buffy!

Yeah, I liked Riley too. I also liked his buddy Graham (the third one). Maybe Riley's "meant" for her/ maybe not, but I thought he was a decent guy and a little optimism in an occasionally very dark show.

"Don't say 'ka' until you've tried it." Daniel Jackson

CHRISISALL

Monday, July 11, 2005 10:16 PM (P)

When Riley and his friends walked through that door, and down to the staging area for the Initiative my mouth fell open. That was so Bond!
Season 4 is so rockin'.

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I already looked ahead to see that Riley isn't listed in season 5 shows ater ep 10 or so, so I assume either he does turn into a jerk, he dies, or becomes a vampire (and then dies). Oh well, I'll enjoy him while I can.

Xander+Anya=

Chrisisall

BATMARLOWE

Monday, July 11, 2005 10:16 PM (P)

I always liked him too. Her relationship with Angel had a lot more sturm und drang but it was good to see Buffy with a nice guy. And I just liked him--he was a decent person. What's wrong with that? "He was bland" was the biggest complaint. Well, he wasn't Angel. But she needed a change-up. I liked him and liked watching their relationship unfold.

I won't say much else since your only on ep 8.

But we're in the minority, I can tell you that.

SPIKEANDJEZEBEL

Monday, July 11, 2005 11:31 PM (P)

I'm with you - I thought Riley was a great character, and very well-acted. (Plus, he's from Iowa, which is where I hail from!) I won't spoil anything, but his storyline in Season 5 is one of the best things about that year.

"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care. Or indeed, why it should be necessary to prove it at all." -Kerr Avon

CHRISISALL

Monday, July 11, 2005 11:59 PM (P)

Ahh, so I guess I do have to get 5,...okay.
As long as Spike keeps his grimy hands off Buffy!

No Spuffy Chrisisall

SPIKEANDJEZEBEL

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:08 AM (P)

Do yourself a favor, and don't let people's negative opinions of Season 6 cloud your judgement. Some of the greatest episodes of the entire series are in Season 6, and it is one of my favorites - I don't really understand why some fans don't like it. (It has "Once More With Feeling", in my opinion the series' finest hour.)

And the Spike and Buffy "relationship" is completely believable and handled so well! I know it's hard to comprehend if you are only in Season 4, but it happens very organically through the development of both characters.

Plus:

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You do see Riley again in Season 6.

"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care. Or indeed, why it should be necessary to prove it at all." -Kerr Avon

DROCCULARI

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:10 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
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I already looked ahead to see that Riley isn't listed in season 5 shows ater ep 10 or so, so I assume either he does turn into a jerk, he dies, or becomes a vampire (and then dies).

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Maybe...

Starting with the Initiative, the BBC episode guide added a curiously (or perhaps ironically?) affectionate sidebar to their Trivia section called, RILEY, YOU BIG LUG: A small shrine to the dumbest man on TV.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/buffy/indetail/initiative/trivia.shtml
Yes, I like Riley too. Like any of Joss's characters, he gets more interesting as time goes by and has his share of surprises like, well, the Initiative.

ROCKETJOCK

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 2:18 AM (P)

I've been a member of the Riley fan club for more than twenty years now. Nothing to do with the Buffyverse -- but even though neither she nor I have ever seen an episode with this character, my wife smiled with delight when she saw this thread's title.

If you haven't guessed, my wife's first name is Riley. And thanks -- I just love seeing that little-girl grin on her face.

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GROUNDED

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:23 AM (P)

"his [Riley's] storyline in Season 5 is one of the best things about that year."

Except that it's absolutely awful and a total kneejerk reaction to all the B/A shippers' complaints. Riley should definitely have stuck around.

"And the Spike and Buffy "relationship" is completely believable and handled so well!"

Never!

FRAY101

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:27 AM (P)

Hey! Look at us all!

I liked Riley too - I think he offered Buffy her one chance at a "normal" relationship (well, relatively normal).

But he had such a hard act to follow - how could he compete with Angel? People just weren't prepared to give him a chance.

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 1:22 PM (P)

Actually, Riley kinda reminds me of...me. A little more of a movie star look, but the character is more like me than even Xander is.
I HAVE to like him, I guess.

All normal and such Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 1:25 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by RocketJock:
If you haven't guessed, my wife's first name is Riley. And thanks -- I just love seeing that little-girl grin on her face.

To Riley: Go on, girl, kiss that big lug! He LOVES ya!

Chrisisall

FRAY101

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 1:25 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Actually, Riley kinda reminds me of...me. A little more of a movie star look, but the character is more like me than even Xander is.
I HAVE to like him, I guess.

All normal and such Chrisisall

You're teasing us now Chrisisall!

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THESOMNAMBULIST

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 1:33 PM (P)

I kinda liked him when he was all dumb, goofy and awkward (that's more like me), and looking dangerously close to falling for Willow instead, which is where I really wanted it to go.

Gotta say though after he's all Clark Kent by day, Superman at night, not so much....

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ODDNESS2HER

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:24 PM (P)

Good for us for sticking up for an underrated character! Riley was a prince and it wasn't his fault if Buffy didn't appreciate him.

ZOOT

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:56 PM (P)

Chrisisall - am SOOOO impressed that you're up to season 4 - which is, incidentally, my favourite season, though other people hate it ....

I too have always loved, LOVED Riley - he's so masculine and cute - a lot more attractive than David B if you ask me!!!

Plus his character - farm boy with a secret is kinda sweet yet slightly sinister!! I also like the way he tends to be a bit clumsy and square ...

Maybe its something about DA fans liking an uncomplicatedly GOOD and slighly geeky love interest (I would reference Logan Cale here, if I could be bothered) ....

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MAUGWAI

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:38 PM (P)

I'd do him. That's pretty much what I thought every time he was one screen. Yep. I'd definitely do him. Him and the Grooselugg.

"Dear diary, today I was pompous and my sister was crazy."

SPIKEANDJEZEBEL

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 6:17 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Grounded:
"his [Riley's] storyline in Season 5 is one of the best things about that year."

Except that it's absolutely awful and a total kneejerk reaction to all the B/A shippers' complaints. Riley should definitely have stuck around.

I respectfully disagree about Riley's exit being a kneejerk reaction to anything. If you watch season 4 carefully, you will see that Buffy's luke-warm feelings for Riley were there from the very beginning, and she NEVER had the passion for Riley that she had for Angel. Riley was always planned by the writers to be the rebound guy.

A key example of this would be when Willow is asking Buffy if she gets that tingly feeling in her stomach when thinking of riley, and Buffy keeps changing the subject and talking about how big Riley's arms are. (I forget which episode this was from in S4.)

"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care. Or indeed, why it should be necessary to prove it at all." -Kerr Avon

EMBERS

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:00 PM (P)

Chrisisall: I can't say that I'm a huge Riley fan, altho I never hated him like some that I know...
but I AM thrilled to know that you are watching my favorite season of BtVS. I hope you will post more about it, because I totally love the last 3-4 episodes of the season (the actual season finale is quite unique and I encourage listening to the commentary by Joss after you watch the episode).

And I really hope you will ignore everyone else's opinions. I thought Season 5 was the weakest, but I know a lot of people who loved it...
And altho Season 6 is definitely different, it is still full of chewy goodness.
Have faith in Joss, good writing, and wonderful acting!

Have fun!

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:06 PM (P)

Zoot, this is my favourite season so far, I'm halfway through it, and am almost sad to be so close to the end! But sadder still that the fifth won't be as good. I almost want to stop with season 4 and just let it stay in my memory like it is now.
And yeah, torturous relationships suck, I had a couple myself early on and decided that no matter how intense they can be, that they're just another drug that wears off and leaves you in pain- which is NOT cool or 'meaningfull', just bad.
So give me Max and Logan, Lois and Clark, and Buffy and Riley. They're cool.

Simple Chrisisall

LISSA

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:09 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by maugwai:
I'd do him. That's pretty much what I thought every time he was one screen. Yep. I'd definitely do him. Him and the Grooselugg.

agreed! i like it when his cheek muscles ripple...

ETA: ok, that sounds totally wrong. i mean actual cheeks, on his face!

~lissa, spwhore

LISSA

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:11 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
But sadder still that the fifth won't be as good. I almost want to stop with season 4 and just let it stay in my memory like it is now.

believe me, hunny, you've got NOTHING to fear.

~lissa, spwhore

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:24 PM (P)

I respectfully state that the Buffy/Angel angst thing was what kept me from liking S2 and even S3 as much as I might have. Problem relationship? Boo hoo, go find someone you CAN be with! Like Riley!!!
Season 4 ROCKS!!!

Sorry for the tough love above Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:29 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
I AM thrilled to know that you are watching my favorite season of BtVS.

As far as I can tell, this is as good as it gets.
And it's good.
Just glad I got it new and not used (pretty, pretty box).
Loved seein' Buffy kick Spike's ass in Harsh Light of Day! Ha ha ha ha ha ha

Spike bugs me Chrisisall

LISSA

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:32 PM (P)

have you seen "the i in team" yet? sexiest. scene. ever.

~lissa, spwhore

SPIKEANDJEZEBEL

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:43 PM (P)

Is that the scene that alternates between the fight and the lurve-making? If so, than I agree completely!

And Chrisisall, don't worry - season 5 is pretty damn great too. "The Body" in S5 is one of the most powerful pieces of television EVER.

"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care. Or indeed, why it should be necessary to prove it at all." -Kerr Avon

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:55 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by lissa:
have you seen "the i in team" yet?

No, but I did see Hush, Joss' greatest directing up to that point! And Doomed was good, too.
The only thing that could make this season more perfect was if Faith showed up!!
*Chrisisall scans the room to see if anyone's giving him 'that' look...*

Fortune teller Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:02 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by spikeandjezebel:
Is
And Chrisisall, don't worry - season 5 is pretty damn great too.

I'm worried...
I don't wanna see

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Riley get turned to a vamp, or simply be shunned by Buffy, or however they get rid of him, I'm truly tired of angst. And seeing Buffy die is not high on my list, either, since I have no plans at this point to purchase 6 or 7.

But that ain't to say I won't get 5, just that I'm a little leery...

Who'm I kiddin' Chrisisall

SPACECOWGIRL

Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:42 AM (P)

Quote:
As long as Spike keeps his grimy hands off Buffy!

Yes because Spike is MINE! LOL
I did not like Riley but then--Angel was sorta a tough act to follow. Actually I did like Riley in 'Hush' --when he wasn't talking. I thought a military-type would be good for Buffy. But he was such a dork! I guess, like Buffy, I like a little monster in my men! (And a long dark coat of some kind!)

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BATMARLOWE

Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:20 AM (P)

Chrisisall:

In season 5 the show does start it's turn toward the heavier subject matter. I know you've been reluctant to watch 6 and 7 but you really should watch 5. Some very important events happen in that season and you really should see them. Besides, 5 has what may be my favorite episode, "Fool for Love". But that's not really the point. The point is is that 5 is very important.

As I said, I like 5, but I hate 6 and 7. Yet I encourage you to watch all three of these seasons so you can form your own opinion and not pay so much attention to what we posters say. We all love this show, yet look at the wide range of opinion as to strongest and weakest seasons and episodes.

Since the show jumped networks at the end of 5, there's a definite break between 5 and 6. So I can understand (though discourage) not going on to 6 and 7. But don't stop at 4. Witness the events of 5 and form your own opinion.

Your BUFFY watchin' pal,

Batmarlowe

ROCKETJOCK

Wednesday, July 13, 2005 5:48 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

To Riley: Go on, girl, kiss that big lug! He LOVES ya!

Chrisisall

Thanks again. (She did. And I do.)

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ZOOT

Wednesday, July 13, 2005 8:22 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

And yeah, torturous relationships suck, I had a couple myself early on and decided that no matter how intense they can be, that they're just another drug that wears off and leaves you in pain- which is NOT cool or 'meaningfull', just bad.
So give me Max and Logan, Lois and Clark, and Buffy and Riley. They're cool.

Simple Chrisisall

Chrisisall you're so fab! You're right season 4 rocks!

But don't stop - season 5 has some great individual episodes in it (epsecially the season opener) and season six gets pretty good at points too - season 5 is a low point for me, not liking Dawn particularly and all, but I reckon it picks up again in season 6 ... so keep watching ...

And as for tortuous relationships ... Tut tut, Chrisisall!! You don't think that dancing around each other for (exactly) one year and not doing anything, despite fancying each other rotten and then being shot in the heart immediately after the first kiss, followed by another year of being unable to touch, is tortuous?? Then I pity your poor wife!!!

But you’re right. In real life that kind of relationship would suck – as well as being HIGHLY unlikely to happen at all … but, it would appear that the TV watching populous find “nice” content and stable relationships boring as hell, so we have to have torture …. I for one never really believed the Buffy/ Riley ending – which you’ll see in time – I just didn’t believe it would play out that way – but anyway – watch it, see what you think and then let me know ….

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GROUNDED

Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:42 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by spikeandjezebel:
Quote:
Originally posted by Grounded:
"his [Riley's] storyline in Season 5 is one of the best things about that year."

Except that it's absolutely awful and a total kneejerk reaction to all the B/A shippers' complaints. Riley should definitely have stuck around.

I respectfully disagree about Riley's exit being a kneejerk reaction to anything. If you watch season 4 carefully, you will see that Buffy's luke-warm feelings for Riley were there from the very beginning, and she NEVER had the passion for Riley that she had for Angel. Riley was always planned by the writers to be the rebound guy.

I know it was pretty obvious he wasn't going to be anything other than the rebound guy, but I honestly hoped they'd take the road less travelled and keep him around despite that. My biggest pet peeve with TV shows is bringing in a regular character for the (relative) short term, and it almost always tends to happen around S4/5. Anyone watched Smallville this year?...

CHRISISALL

Monday, July 18, 2005 12:30 AM (P)

Dude, the season 4 finale was da bomb!
Had the fighting and stunts of a James Bond film! Demons and Initiative troops flying through the air and such!! Explosions galore - this season so rocked. And the Angel/Riley confrontation was perfect. That was tv perfection.

"Most impressive..." Chrisisall

GROUNDED

Monday, July 18, 2005 11:05 AM (P)

It's just a shame about the tinfoil sets...

BATMARLOWE

Monday, July 18, 2005 3:27 PM (P)

So are you going ahead to Season 5?

FRAY101

Monday, July 18, 2005 3:32 PM (P)

Of course he is!

Right....?

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FANTASTICLAUGHINGFAIRY

Monday, July 18, 2005 3:36 PM (P)

I'm very impressed you've done s4 already - and Riley ain't that bad is he?
Much better looking than David Boreanaz (after Buffy s2 - he went all old and fat, and started tucking his shirts in in that weird way that made him look even more old and fat).
Anyway, (if you got much of that sentence you're doing better than me) - GO RILEY (and apparently) his clone CHRISISALL!

Oh well, he kicks-ass. Says so on MY t-shirt.

EVAGATESGREEN2

Monday, July 18, 2005 3:53 PM (P)

I'm so glad I found this. I have been on other sites where people gleefully rip into the Riley character and I have always wondered why? Was his character so bad? The majority of the fans hated him because they will always want Angel with Buffy but did they ever give the Riley character a chance? Did they hate Parker half as much as they hated Riley?

I didn't have a problem with Riley being the love interest. It would have worked for her, she could have someone who could fight beside her and actually see her in daylight. ;-)

FRAY101

Monday, July 18, 2005 3:57 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by fantasticlaughingfairy:
Much better looking than David Boreanaz (after Buffy s2 - he went all old and fat, and started tucking his shirts in in that weird way that made him look even more old and fat).

Funny isn't it? Angel stayed all purty looking for 200 years - meets Buffy and it all goes to hell! Just compare how he looks in Season 1 of Buffy, heck even Season 1 of Angel, to the end of that show. Boy did he change....

Riley was all cute, and muscular and...OK, shall stop now.

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EMBERS

Monday, July 18, 2005 4:09 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by evagatesgreen2:
Did they hate Parker half as much as they hated Riley?

Oh I LURVE Parker!
I want to start a Parker fan club!
I couldn't believe that they wouldn't have let Parker be included in S7...at least show him being crushed by a building or something...
:(

FRAY101

Monday, July 18, 2005 4:35 PM (P)

Quote:
Oh I LURVE Parker!
I want to start a Parker fan club!
I couldn't believe that they wouldn't have let Parker be included in S7...at least show him being crushed by a building or something...
:(

This is some kind of sick joke right? Please...

The only good thing about Beer Bad was Willow getting one over on Parker. And as this is the I Love Riley thread, who didn't cheer when he knocked him out?!

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JAINA

Monday, July 18, 2005 5:24 PM (P)

i felt sorry for marc blucas. the buffy/angel fandom was so huge he had big shoes to fit into, but i never saw him as an angel replacement and so sad when riley and marc left.

though ... his return in as you were was piss poor. not marc himself, but the episode. t'was awful

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Monday, July 18, 2005 7:49 PM (P)

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Originally posted by Jaina:
though ... his return in as you were was piss poor. not marc himself, but the episode. t'was awful

So awful...which was surprising since it was written by Doug Petrie.

JAINA

Monday, July 18, 2005 8:46 PM (P)

i know. you can usually rely on him.

as much as i do love riley i dont think he should have returned. it wasn't right for him to return. he was very hurt, and well, i wouldnt think that he'd just pop up like that. and the thing i hated was him being married. he was torn up about buffy!

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CHRISISALL

Monday, July 18, 2005 9:40 PM (P)

If I can find S5 used for a reasionable price, then yeah...
I just don't see how they can top S4!

You know I will...Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Monday, July 18, 2005 9:45 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by fantasticlaughingfairy:
(and apparently) his clone CHRISISALL!

Hey! I just said the character was most similar to me! If you want to know what I look like, think like a cross between Jackson Brown and Mark Hamill (but in a more normal kinda way, I'm not claimin' to look that cool).

Sorry to let the girls down Chrisisall

BATMARLOWE

Monday, July 18, 2005 10:33 PM (P)

I think since most Riley-haters hated him simply because he wasn't Angel, they were just looking for reasons to justify it. No matter what quality Riley showed, it was something to dislike about him. They just weren't gonna let him win.

I did like seeing him in Season 6, though I agree the ep was weak. I liked that he was invlolved in the whole black ops thing and I LOVED his wife. And I think the "Nick and Nora Fury" line is one of the most clever pop-culture references in all of Buffydom. To tell the truth I'd like to see them again (as supporting characters) in the next Buffyverse thing--if there ever is one.

The main thing I found frustrating about this ep
is that Buffy says to Sam "He thinks I let him go". And obviously Buffy is sorry that all this time Riley has had this misunderstanding about their relationship.

But at end Buffy tells Riley "That night I never got the chance to tell you how sorry I was about what happened between us."

This line makes no sense because that's not why she was trying to catch Riley before he left. She was trying to catch him before he left to tell him to stay.

Maybe Buffy's last line to Riley in "As You Were" is more open to interpretation than I think it is. I can understand why Buffy would be sorry she never got the chance to tell Riley how sorry she was about what happened between them. But she says "that night". And "that night" can only refer to the night she was trying to not let him go.

So what's frustrating is that in "As You Were" Buffy's parting words to Riley refer to something that wasn't the case. I think the writers just screwed up.

More importantly, there was a missed opportunity to deal with a very important development in the lives of both these characters. 'Cause even if Riley has gotten Buffy out of his system, I would think it would blow him away to find out that Buffy had tried to stop him. Because that little tidbit of knowledge would completely change his perception of their relationship. I guess Sam tells him on the way to Nepal. Or maybe not. But I would have liked to have seen Buffy tell Riley she tried to stop him. And see his reaction.

At least that's the way I see it. But if someone can tell me why what Buffy said to Riley at the end there makes sense, please explain it to me.

I must add that I don't think Buffy should have run after Riley in the first place because Riley was right--Buffy wasn't in love with him.

As far as Parker goes I always wanted to see a scene like this: Buffy is strolling through a cemetery on patrol and a vamp pops up in front of her. Buffy says "Parker?" and he says "Yeah" and she just effortlessly stakes him. Buffy casually walks away as he crumbles to dust and she says "I've moved on." Could have worked as a teaser before the opening credits.

FRAY101

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:45 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by fantasticlaughingfairy:
(and apparently) his clone CHRISISALL!

Hey! I just said the character was most similar to me! If you want to know what I look like, think like a cross between Jackson Brown and Mark Hamill (but in a more normal kinda way, I'm not claimin' to look that cool).

Sorry to let the girls down Chrisisall

For those who are curious, I have asked Chrisisall to submit his picture to the Photo 'Verse...unfortunately he made some excuse or the other about not being able to....Guess we're stuck with our imagination!

And BatMarlowe - that's exactly what I felt about Riley's mistreatment at the hands of fans. He was just stuck in Angel's shadow. And I love the Parker idea!

(Chrisisall, Season 5 is fun! IMHO Glory is just the best Big Bad).

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FANTASTICLAUGHINGFAIRY

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 8:43 AM (P)

Hey, chrisisall, why won't you submit a picture?
You got me all curious with the Mark Hamill thing - and my curiosity gets annoyed after a while if it doesn't get satisfied.

And I'm sure you're really very Rileyish.

Riley's girl FLF.

FRAY101

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 8:47 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by fantasticlaughingfairy:
Hey, chrisisall, why won't you submit a picture?
You got me all curious with the Mark Hamill thing - and my curiosity gets annoyed after a while if it doesn't get satisfied.

And I'm sure you're really very Rileyish.

Riley's girl FLF.

Now then FLF - you have to submit your own photo before you can ask others too!

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FANTASTICLAUGHINGFAIRY

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 8:57 AM (P)

No - you see, I have the perfect excuse in that my gorram computer's broke at home (has been since around November), and owing to the lack of pictures of me on any other computer, I guess you'll just have to wait until it's fixed.
This will hopefully be within the next few weeks - I mean, my Dad's an IT teacher and we've not had the internet at home since November - what's that about? But anyway, as soon as it's up and running, I will do.

So get a move on Signor Chrisisall!

Impatience is not a virtue FLF (452).

FRAY101

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:01 AM (P)

Well Chrisisall claims to be digital camera & scannerless...

I suppose I believe him - but I can't help thinking the Photo 'Verse won't be complete until he's in there!

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JAINA

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:38 AM (P)

i would have liked to have riley known that buffy tried to stop him too, really would have shifted things around. much like the tiny bit of revelation in season 7 of buffy when it was almost slipped out that xander didn't tell buffy back in becoming, that willow was doing the spell. i love moments like that.

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GROUNDED

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:56 AM (P)

I think we're all forgetting that Chrisisall has yet to see S6 and so all of the above stuff about As You Were is majorly spoilery...

EVILTOBZ

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:57 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by batmarlowe:
...The main thing I found frustrating about this ep
is that Buffy says to Sam "He thinks I let him go". And obviously Buffy is sorry that all this time Riley has had this misunderstanding about their relationship.

But at end Buffy tells Riley "That night I never got the chance to tell you how sorry I was about what happened between us."

This line makes no sense because that's not why she was trying to catch Riley before he left. She was trying to catch him before he left to tell him to stay.

Maybe Buffy's last line to Riley in "As You Were" is more open to interpretation than I think it is. I can understand why Buffy would be sorry she never got the chance to tell Riley how sorry she was about what happened between them. But she says "that night". And "that night" can only refer to the night she was trying to not let him go.

So what's frustrating is that in "As You Were" Buffy's parting words to Riley refer to something that wasn't the case. I think the writers just screwed up.

More importantly, there was a missed opportunity to deal with a very important development in the lives of both these characters. 'Cause even if Riley has gotten Buffy out of his system, I would think it would blow him away to find out that Buffy had tried to stop him. Because that little tidbit of knowledge would completely change his perception of their relationship. I guess Sam tells him on the way to Nepal. Or maybe not. But I would have liked to have seen Buffy tell Riley she tried to stop him. And see his reaction.

At least that's the way I see it. But if someone can tell me why what Buffy said to Riley at the end there makes sense, please explain it to me.

i think you've explained it all pretty well there yourself if you think about it. buffy wanted to say it, started to say it, then realised that she couldn't. it wouldn't have been fair of her to dump something like that on him, throwing a spanner into his marriage so it was a kinda quick recovery thing.

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:20 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Grounded:
I think we're all forgetting that Chrisisall has yet to see S6 and so all of the above stuff about As You Were is majorly spoilery...

Hey, that's okay, actually at this point, the more I find out, the more I'm willing to look at. I mean it sounds better than I imagined. I was thinking maybe he'd be a vampire or something horrible would happen to him.

Chrisisall 524

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:37 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by fray101:
Well Chrisisall claims to be digital camera & scannerless...

If I can borrow one I will Gorram it!
If you have to know in a hurry, go rent the dvd of 'Toxic Avenger 4: Citizen Toxie', I did a bunch of stunts in it, and if you freeze it at the right moments, you can at least get an idea of what I look like.
I don't own the dvd myself, just a tape the stunt co-ordinator gave me, but you can almost see me real good in one shot of a group of Hitler clones with guns before a fight scene, I'm like in the second row just right of center, if memory serves. I'm also the cop driving the chase car, the pedestrian who is almost run over, and the only guy tossed over a wall in a four way split screen during a fight.
Be prepared though, poor taste is the cornerstone of this flick.

Back to Riley:
I thought his confrontation with Angel was great. It had me smiling and wincing in equal parts.

Riley fights good Chrisisall

FRAY101

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:44 PM (P)

Tee hee! Anyone got those DVDs?! First person to submit a screencap of Chrisisall wins, well nothing actually...! Just the satisfaction of a job well done.

Loved the bit between Angel & Riley! But then it's always fun watching Angel get all sulky over perceived rivals...hey, that's what they should have done - have Angel turn into Angelus (for whatever reason) and rip Parker's throat out...!

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:19 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by fray101:
...hey, that's what they should have done - have Angel turn into Angelus (for whatever reason) and rip Parker's throat out...!

So you didn't like Parker, I worked that one out for myself...

Chrisisall

FRAY101

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:25 PM (P)

Damn - and there I was thinking I was being subtle!

I'm trying to remember but I'm pretty sure I didn't like him even before he cheated on Buffy, but to be fair maybe that was because I already knew Riley was going to the new love interest and so the Parker thing was never going to go anywhere.

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GROUNDED

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:52 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
you can almost see me real good in one shot of a group of Hitler clones with guns before a fight scene

That sounds like the greatest movie ever made.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:03 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Grounded:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
you can almost see me real good in one shot of a group of Hitler clones with guns before a fight scene

That sounds like the greatest movie ever made.

We all had itchy little moustashes glued on. Real Gone With The Wind-like material, yeah.

Chrisisall

BATMARLOWE

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:01 PM (P)

Unlike you, Jaina, I hate moments like that. I find them frustrating. The truth starts to come out about something very important. Willow says "Hey, I never said that!" So, I think Buffy should have said something to Xander along the lines of "You lied to me?! Willow didn't say 'Kick his ass'!?" But instead they gloss over it and don't deal with it.

eviltobz: I don't think Buffy started to say it. She said the line that (to me) doesn't make sense. And even if she was starting to tell him, Riley interrupts her, putting an end to that converstation. And besides, she pretty much told Sam. So if there was a spanner to be thrown, Buffy threw it. And if she can tell Sam she can tell Riley. And I think she should have. Just to clear the air. And I again I wanted to see the characters deal with this stuff.

But grounded is right. We're getting too spoilery for Chrisisall.

GROUNDED

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:06 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by batmarlowe:
Unlike you, Jaina, I hate moments like that. I find them frustrating. The truth starts to come out about something very important. Willow says "Hey, I never said that!" So, I think Buffy should have said something to Xander along the lines of "You lied to me?! Willow didn't say 'Kick his ass'!?" But instead they gloss over it and don't deal with it.

That was unforgiveable. I honestly couldn't believe they'd brought it up so many years after the fact and then didn't resolve it!

EMBERS

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:18 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
go rent the dvd of 'Toxic Avenger 4: Citizen Toxie', I did a bunch of stunts in it,

that really sounds cool, now I must check and see if netflix has it available....

Quote:

Back to Riley:
I thought his confrontation with Angel was great. It had me smiling and wincing in equal parts.
Riley fights good Chrisisall

See? You have to watch Season 5
because Rile stakes Spike before he goes....
(hey, you said you didn't mind a few spoilers)

eta: Yay, netflix DOES have it:
http://www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?movieid=60023734&trkid=33859

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:34 PM (P)

You're right, that I HAVE to see!!!!

Spike bugs me Chrisisall

BATMARLOWE

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:23 PM (P)

Yeah, Grounded, it was unforgivable wasn't it? After all that time the truth finally comes out and...nothing. It's on the list of Things I Don't Like About Season 7. And it's a long list.

But let's see what Chrisisall's reaction is to Season 5. Especially since he's anti-Spike. I wonder what his reaction will be to that one particularly important episode which concerns Spike. I'm bettin' you know the one I mean.

GROUNDED

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:07 AM (P)

Yes, and it's one of only about 3 eps in S5 I'd seek out and rewatch!

BATMARLOWE

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 6:51 PM (P)

Really? I'm actually very much a Pro-Fiver. It just goes to show once again that we all love this show yet within that opinions are widely diverse.

I'll bet one of the other two is that one that is extremely dramatic and powerful (trying not to spoil anything for Chrisisall).

I wonder if there's one episode that absolutely everybody loves or likes a lot. Like, is there anybody out there who hates, say..."Doppelgangland"?

GROUNDED

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:48 PM (P)

I'm maybe being a bit stingy...either way I only have the 2nd half of S5 on video so I can't rewatch the whole thing and reassess my...er..assessment.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:43 PM (P)

I have to see the one with two Xanders...

2 times the fun Chrisisall

BATMARLOWE

Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:47 AM (P)

Then I guess you're commited to Season 5, aren't ya.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:59 AM (P)

*sobs*
Uh huh.

But that's it! Chrisisall

BATMARLOWE

Thursday, July 21, 2005 3:20 AM (P)

Maybe that'll be it, maybe it won't. We can all talk about that after you've seen season 5. For now, let us know when you've started season 5.

EMBERS

Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:29 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
But that's it! Chrisisall

I think you'll find some yummy goodness in S5
and I personally hope that you'll hang in there for S6
IMO the musicial is Joss' greatest achievement EVER
it really deserves to be seen, and enjoyed.
I've never seen any musical in my life that is such a perfect combination of interesting plot, and wonderful songs & dance numbers that directly relate to that plot (and the over-all season story arc)

I'm also a BIG fan of the S6 Big Bad
and if you can stay unspoiled for the finale
it KICKS @SS!

of course we are getting ahead of ourselves...
but to tie into the thread topic:
Riley returns in S6! LOL