Angel newbie with a dumb (maybe not) question:

POSTED BY: chrisisall
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CHRISISALL

Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:00 PM

Tonight I rented the 2nd disk of AtS S1, and I plan to enjoy it like the first one. But in all the cross-talk, it seems S4 is ghastly, can I just skip it and go straight to S5 (although that will be some time from now...) ?

Jumping around Chrisisall

KNIBBLET

Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:06 PM

If you do that, you miss out on Cordelia in a belly dance style costume (yes, she's VERY pregnant at the time); you'll miss out on our lovely Gina Torres as Jasmine. You'll miss some hot Wesley action and do you really want that?

Here's my advice: Don't allow other persons opinions or prejudices make your decisions for you. Watch it and make up your own mind. After you've made up your mind, join the cross talk.

http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/MN-Firefly/

JACQUI

Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:17 PM

Angel S4 was never my favourite. In no freakin' way was it ever my favourite.

But there were some great moments and some pretty decent story lines you'll want to get into. And it does tie together a few loose strands that you'll wonder about if you don't see it.

Plus... Faith. And who doesn't love Faith?

I agree, don't let other people's opinions taint your viewing. At least the first two thirds of it were really watchable.

And, hey, if you can sit through the middle of S3 Angel without screaming "Eat the gorram baby!" every few seconds, then S4 will be a breeze.

If'n you need a quick guide, these babies should do it -->
http://www.havendehellmouth.com/epicurious.shtml

*~*~*
"Your toes are in the sand."
"And your head's up your..."
"Hey!"

CHRISISALL

Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:31 PM

Great site, thanks. (I noticed a familiar name on the synopsis credits...)

One thing about Buffy is the severe change in tone starting around S5, but intensly around S6, But Angel seems a more consistant show, am I wrong?

Before they hatch Chrisisall

JACQUI

Monday, August 22, 2005 12:27 AM

Yup, that site is a labour of love, let me tell you.

Yeah, Buffy did switch tones a lot after season five which really jars sometimes, but you're right in that Angel stays somewhat more level.

Overall, I found Angel to be a more stable and constant show than Buffy was and I much preferred the finale of Angel.

I think you'll like it, keep us posted on your thoughts for the whole series (from S1 onwards), 'cause I really welcome new discussions.

*~*~*
"Your toes are in the sand."
"And your head's up your..."
"Hey!"

CALLMEATH

Monday, August 22, 2005 1:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jacqui:
Plus... Faith. And who doesn't love Faith?

ME!!!

"Invader's blood marches through my veins like giant radioactive rubber pants. The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!"

LISSA

Monday, August 22, 2005 1:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by CallMeAth:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jacqui:
Plus... Faith. And who doesn't love Faith?

ME!!!

WHAT???

~lissa, retired spwhore

CALLMEATH

Monday, August 22, 2005 1:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by lissa:
Quote:
Originally posted by CallMeAth:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jacqui:
Plus... Faith. And who doesn't love Faith?

ME!!!

WHAT???

~lissa, retired spwhore

*louder* ME!!!

"Invader's blood marches through my veins like giant radioactive rubber pants. The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!"

CHRISISALL

Monday, August 22, 2005 2:36 AM

I can't HEAR YOU!

Faith is bad Chrisisall

CALLMEATH

Monday, August 22, 2005 2:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I can't HEAR YOU!

Faith is bad Chrisisall

Is there a way to increase the font?

I DON'T LIKE FAITH!!!

"Invader's blood marches through my veins like giant radioactive rubber pants. The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!"

JACQUI

Monday, August 22, 2005 2:46 AM

But... but...

Let me get this straight...

Did you say you liked Faith?

I'm confused.

*~*~*
"Your toes are in the sand."
"And your head's up your..."
"Hey!"

CALLMEATH

Monday, August 22, 2005 2:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jacqui:
Plus... Faith. And who doesn't love Faith?

...to which I replied that I don't.

"Invader's blood marches through my veins like giant radioactive rubber pants. The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!"

CALLMEATH

Monday, August 22, 2005 2:58 AM

What was this thread about again?

Oh yeah, season 4 of Angel. You should definately watch it, even if it wasn't the best. There were some good episodes, and some major plot point you don't wanna miss.

"Invader's blood marches through my veins like giant radioactive rubber pants. The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!"

AURAPTOR

Monday, August 22, 2005 3:18 AM

Quote:
JACQUI Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 17:17

Angel S4 was never my favourite. In no freakin' way was it ever my favourite.

But there were some great moments and some pretty decent story lines you'll want to get into. And it does tie together a few loose strands that you'll wonder about if you don't see it.

Plus... Faith. And who doesn't love Faith?

*Lovin' Faith , right here!!!!!!!

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

JACQUI

Monday, August 22, 2005 3:37 AM

Quote:

...to which I replied that I don't.

Yeah, I kinda got that. I was being sarcastic.

*~*~*
"Your toes are in the sand."
"And your head's up your..."
"Hey!"

BLUEEYEDBROWNCOAT

Monday, August 22, 2005 4:43 AM

Lovin' Faith here too!

canadianbrowncoats.com.

GROOSALUGG

Monday, August 22, 2005 7:07 AM

I'd say no, don't skip it.

A lot of people--myself included--rank S4 as the worst of the five, but it seems like an equal number of fans consider it the best. There doesn't appear to be much middle ground. It's possible you'll fall into that second group, and if so, you'd be pretty sorry if you'd missed out, wouldn't you?

Plus, episode 6, "Spin the Bottle" (written and directed by Joss) absolutely should not be missed under any circumstances!! And later on in the year (ep. 20, "Sacrifice"), Jeff Ricketts trades in his blue gloves to play one of the coolest, creepiest demons ever.

Overall, the season had so many great moments that made it worth watching... which is why the bungling up of it near the end is just that much harder to take. It was so on it's way to being one of the best years of either Buffy or Angel, and instead...

CALHOUN

Monday, August 22, 2005 8:34 AM

Quote:
Jacqui wrote:
Sunday, August 21, 2005 13:17

Plus... Faith. And who doesn't love Faith?

Faith .. pfft

Faith is my least favourite character of all Buffy and Angel (that includes demons and vamps). Loud, obnoxious and unattractive is all she is.

GROUNDED

Monday, August 22, 2005 10:27 AM

Well considering Chrisisall is only on disc 2 of S1 you all went straight for the spoilers didn't you? ;)

I say watch S4 when you get to it, purely for continuity's sake. And I'm one of those who hates it with a fiery passion.

EST120

Monday, August 22, 2005 11:49 AM

Season 4 is definitely a little strange, but it is not terrible in my opinion. Skipping it will not destroy your ability to understand season 5 but it will make some things confusing (no spoilers!). I would suggest watching it. There is quite a bit of interesting stuff and some of the episodes are pretty good. Besides, how can you have a complete Angel experience without watching all the episodes?

CALLMEATH

Monday, August 22, 2005 7:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jacqui:
Quote:

...to which I replied that I don't.

Yeah, I kinda got that. I was being sarcastic.

*~*~*
"Your toes are in the sand."
"And your head's up your..."
"Hey!"

I totally suck at recognizing sarcasm online.

"Invader's blood marches through my veins like giant radioactive rubber pants. The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!"

ZEEK

Monday, August 22, 2005 7:57 PM

I agree on the spoilers. Guys lay off a bit there.

I say go ahead and watch it. I'm in the crowd of it not being the best season ever. However, I still watch it when it's on tv. Angel is far better than 99% of the tv out there. Even at it's worst. So, give it a shot. You never know.

MANOSBDH

Monday, August 22, 2005 8:18 PM

Season 4 falls short of my personal preferences, but there's enough good stuff in that season to make it worth watching. Just like Buffy Season 4 was a little limited, but that's the season that brought us Hush. Angel S4 has a lot more than one good episode, and Gina Tores is worth the viewing.

CHRISISALL

Monday, August 22, 2005 8:26 PM

Spoil away, I forgive you all, lets group hug!
Oops, sorry, I just watched Sense and Sensitivity!!!

You forget, though, that being from Manticore, I can negate selected areas of my memory so that spoilers disappear in my brain. It's an X-5 thing.

Like when the Fear Demon appeared on Buffy, actual size. I had read that in a spoiler a month prior to seeing it, and was still fallin' off my chair laffin', 'cause I didn't remember reading it.

My room has a view Chrisisall

BATMARLOWE

Monday, August 22, 2005 9:15 PM

I'm going through S4 myself these days. I'm on ep 19 or 20 right now.

I wouldn't skip any episodes much less an entire season simply because if you're into the Buffyverse then you shouldn't deprive yourself of any of it. Everybody's tastes are different. You may love S4.

IMHO Season 4's problem is that all the developments are interesting as they happen, but they promise a big payoff. And I don't feel we get paid.

But if you don't watch it, you will miss out on Faith's appearances. If you like Faith, you'll want to catch that.

The thing that works best for me in S4 is the development of Wesley. If you like that character, you must watch S4.

Just my two cents.

CHRISISALL

Monday, August 22, 2005 9:26 PM

Of the six eps I've seen so far, In The Dark was the best. Do any later eps get that good again?
...I will see for myself, just a little advanced curiousity.

I like seein' Spike git smacked Chrisisall

BATMARLOWE

Monday, August 22, 2005 10:13 PM

I would say "yes". Especially 8, 18, and 19. And there's some other good stuff along the way.
I like S1 a lot. It's my second favorite of AtS.

Shouldn't you be watching S5 of BUFFY, young man?

GROUNDED

Monday, August 22, 2005 10:23 PM

It gets better.

SEIZETHEFISH

Monday, August 22, 2005 10:34 PM

You definatly need to watch S4, if only for "Spin the Bottle" and the nessecary introduction to S5. I dont know how much you know about the overall plot, but if you skip S4 and go straight to S5, you will be confused as hell. You will think you're in bizzaro world.

Plus, Gina Torres as Jasmine has a whole creepy Pod People story arc at the end of the season that I loved.

Oh and Wesley. Wesleywesleywesleywesley

<3 S4 Wesley

CHRISISALL

Monday, August 22, 2005 11:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by batmarlowe:
Shouldn't you be watching S5 of BUFFY, young man?

Yeah, but they don't have it for rent around here, and I got a few free rentals from Blockbuster due to some class-action lawsuit- and they have AtS S1 for rent- so in pursuit of deepening my familiarity with all things Joss, I jumped on it! So now I'm gonna plow thru it!

Oh, one last thing...

Doyle bugs me Chrisisall

BATMARLOWE

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:36 AM

Really? I liked him. Maybe you'll warm up to him as the season goes on.

Seizethefish is absolutely right. If you skip 4, 5 will make you want to watch 4 to explain 5. So, face it--you're watchin' 4.

And did someone say Faith is unattractive?

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by batmarlowe:

And did someone say Faith is unattractive?

Some blind guy up the thread some...

Got Faith? Chrisisall

CALLMEATH

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by batmarlowe:
And did someone say Faith is unattractive?

A woman's physical appearance isn't the only attractive feature she has. While Faith may have an attractive figure, and an argueably attractive face, her personality is a major turn-off for me. Of course, I'm sure to be in the minority.

BTW, I feel the same about Max from DA.

*Prepares himself for Chrisisall's wrath.*

"Invader's blood marches through my veins like giant radioactive rubber pants. The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!"

JACQUI

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by batmarlowe:

And did someone say Faith is unattractive?
Some blind guy up the thread some...

Got Faith? Chrisisall

Again, as with JA... the woman in nine kinds of hot. There's no escaping it. (*sigh* You know, I think heterosexuality is wasted on me. I like very few men on screen).

Yes, season one gets better. A lot better. You have some great episodes coming up later in the season. 'Somnambulist', 'Expecting', 'The Ring', 'Five by Five', 'Sanctuary', 'To Shanshu in LA'.

I remember when I was watching it, I liked it, it was cool... but the moment I knew I loved it was during the finale. You'll see when you get there.

*~*~*
"Your toes are in the sand."
"And your head's up your..."
"Hey!"

BATMARLOWE

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:11 AM

CallMeAth:

C'mon dude. We're guys. We compartmentalize. Get with the program. : )

If you had seen Eliza at her TRU CALLING Q&A at the 2004 ComiCon...

BATMARLOWE

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:26 AM

Jacqui:

So name some of the few.

EMMA

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:28 AM

Angel is fantastic, end of story

Ok, so Jasmine sucks and some of the Cordelia stuff is pretty awful but apart from that it is great. Interesting character developments and some really neat ideas...plus, Faith

People have said she is unattractive with a bad personality, obviously they are wrong

Faith is enough to make straight women gay - oh, her beauty and wit and sex-appeal *sigh*

extremely dimensionally transcendental

INSTIGATOR

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:50 PM

While Season 4 does not rank as my top favorite, I would suggest not skipping it. If you're watching the series to see the whole story, beginning to end, I would suggest not even skipping an episode. Skipping a season would leave you confused in the beginning of Season 5 (Take my advice since I missed the second half of Season 4). You'll also be missing changes in the characters.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CallMeAth:
While Faith may have an attractive figure, and an argueably attractive face, her personality is a major turn-off for me.

You just have to see past the psychotic killing machine to the lovely girl beneath...

Quote:
BTW, I feel the same about Max from DA.

*Prepares himself for Chrisisall's wrath.*

WTF?????
Forget that she's beautiful, Max is sweet and beguiling; a mystery and a joy!!!!The world of women in one trangenic package.
You must be ill at the moment; I forgive you.

The wrath of Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:30 PM

I Will Remember You WAS AWSOME!!!!
It was especially good in that I already saw all of Buffy S4, so a lot clicks. SMG was at the absolute top if her game, and Dave is beginning to get great, too.
(I have to throw out these wet tissues...)

What? I didn't cry, just got something in my eye is all...

Dry eyed and decidely non-misty Chrisisall*sniff*

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Emma:
Faith is enough to make straight women gay - oh, her beauty and wit and sex-appeal *sigh*

Lucky my wife won't watch Buffy or Angel...

FF is another story Chrisisall

JACQUI

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 3:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I Will Remember You WAS AWSOME!!!!

And the subject of much debate.

Watch the scene at the very end where they're both crying. Watch it closely, with your finger on the pause button to go back again and again and, most importantly, with the SOUND UP.

Many schools of thought here... but the urban legend remains...

When Angel is begging Buffy not to cry, what David actually says is "Please, Sarah, please". And the editors did not catch it.

I'm sitting on the fence on this one, it's a close call.

*~*~*
"Your toes are in the sand."
"And your head's up your..."
"Hey!"

JACQUI

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 3:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by batmarlowe:
Jacqui:

So name some of the few.

Of the men? That's hard. See what I mean? I am a straight girl (happily engaged) and yet will notice five hundred really hot women on screen before any of the men. Seriously, I think I need to know the guy before he does anything for me, but I'm happy to ogle all the ladies. Heterosexuality... completely wasted.

Anyway... guys...

Anthony Stewart Head.
Adam Baldwin.
Johnny Depp.
Mathew McCanna... (aw, hell, I ain't even gonna try spelling that... you all know who I mean).
J. August Richards.

s'bout it.

You after women? I got a list long as my arm... Sheryl Crow, Jewel Staite, Morena Baccarin, Eliza Dushku, Jessica Alba, Summer Glau, Emma Caulfield, Laura Prepon...

I have a thing for brunettes and red heads.

*~*~*
"Your toes are in the sand."
"And your head's up your..."
"Hey!"

CALLMEATH

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

You must be ill at the moment; I forgive you.

The wrath of Chrisisall

*Checks thermometer.*

104! The higher it is, the healthier I am, right? Right?

"Invader's blood marches through my veins like giant radioactive rubber pants. The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!"

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:39 PM

Dude, if Faith and Max don't do it for you, WHO DOES???

This, I gotta hear Chrisisall

CALLMEATH

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Dude, if Faith and Max don't do it for you, WHO DOES???

This, I gotta hear Chrisisall

In the Whedonverse:

Willow, Tara, Buffy (for the first few seasons, before she got too skinny.), Anya, Fred, Zoe, Kaylee and Inara

Some other female stars I find attractive, off the top of my head:

Natalie Portman, Selma Hayek, Drew Berrymore, Elisha Cuthbert, Monica Bellucci, Zhang Ziyi, Catherine Zeta-Jones

"Invader's blood marches through my veins like giant radioactive rubber pants. The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!"

CAPTAINCDC

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:27 PM

Watch S4. You have to if you are going to watch S5. I am one who loved S4. Everyone talks about the final few eps being a let down, but to me the metaphor works perfectly. And if you like Wesley and Fred (my 2 favorite characters of Angel), then you will want to watch for that, because they are great in S4, especially Wes.

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The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason!

BATMARLOWE

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:28 PM

Jacqui:

Well, if you're happily engaged, I wouldn't say your heterosexuality is completely wasted.

The problem for women is that movies and T.V. shows are run mostly by men, so there just isn't as much eye candy for you. Whereas we can just turn on the tube, and start flipping channels and sooner rather than later, we will find a babe.

I know the ratio of hot women compared to hot men is way out of whack in favor of women. And it's unfair. Sorry.

But there are fewer universal types for women than there are among men. You can find women who don't find Brat Pitt attractive. You'd be hard-pressed to find a guy who doesn't find Eliza Dushku attractive (oh wait, bad example). Make that you'd be hard-pressed to find a guy who doesn't find, say, Kate Beckinsale attractive.

But then again you're engaged, so in the great balance of things, you're ahead of the game.

Thanks for that "Sarah" tip, I'll go check that out.

BATMARLOWE

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:37 PM

Chrisisall:

Didn't I tell you episode 8 was awesome? I don't actually buy the writer's reason for having Angel's wanting to turn back time. But I can roll with it. I don't buy his reason for destroying the gem of Amara either. But again, I can roll with it.

Still, a very moving episode and Sarah was great.

EMMA

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jacqui:
Quote:
Originally posted by batmarlowe:
Jacqui:

So name some of the few.

Anyway... guys...

Anthony Stewart Head.
Adam Baldwin.
Johnny Depp.
Mathew McCanna... (aw, hell, I ain't even gonna try spelling that... you all know who I mean).
J. August Richards.

s'bout it.

You after women? I got a list long as my arm... Sheryl Crow, Jewel Staite, Morena Baccarin, Eliza Dushku, Jessica Alba, Summer Glau, Emma Caulfield, Laura Prepon...

B]

Yep, definitely agree...

George Clooney, Lindsey (not CK), Wesley (not AD), Tony Head, Nathan Fillion

now I get stuck but women...
most of those above plus Angeline Jolie, Sigourney Weaver, Alyson Hannigan, Amber Bensen... I could go on but it gets silly.

Women are so much prettier than boys, shame I like testosterone and willies so much

extremely dimensionally transcendental

DACUTE1

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:14 PM

Lets put it this way, a bad Joss episode is still better than 90% of what's on television. I say go for it.

Kaylee: Wash, tell me I'm pretty
Wash: Were I unwed I would take you in a manly fashion
Kaylee: 'Cause I'm pretty?
Wash: 'Cause you're pretty

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CallMeAth:
Kaylee and Inara, Natalie Portman, Salma Hayek, Drew Berrymore, Monica Bellucci, Zhang Ziyi, Catherine Zeta-Jones

NOW we're speakin' the same language!

Whoah Chrisisall

GROUNDED

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by batmarlowe:
Make that you'd be hard-pressed to find a guy who doesn't find, say, Kate Beckinsale attractive.

And with bloody good reason.

CAPTAINCDC

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by batmarlowe:
Chrisisall:

Didn't I tell you episode 8 was awesome? I don't actually buy the writer's reason for having Angel's wanting to turn back time. But I can roll with it. I don't buy his reason for destroying the gem of Amara either. But again, I can roll with it.

Still, a very moving episode and Sarah was great.

The reasons made pretty good sense to me. But, to each his or her own.

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The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason!

CALHOUN

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:07 PM

Quote:
Emma wrote:
Monday, August 22, 2005 21:28

People have said she is unattractive with a bad personality, obviously they are wrong

Faith is enough to make straight women gay - oh, her beauty and wit and sex-appeal *sigh*

Each to their own I guess..

BATMARLOWE

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:08 PM

Jacqui:

I just watched that scene a few times with the sound run through my Bose Acoustic Wave Machine and its volume cranked to 80--sometimes with my ear up to it, sometimes not. Sometimes with the subtitles on, sometimes not.

It sounds to me like he says "Sh, Sh, please... and then says "please" a few more times. I really don't believe there's a "Sarah" in there.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:55 PM

Yeah, his lips seemed to make the 'sh' shape twice..
Hero was gut-wrenching at the end!!! Holy was that rough!!!

Lucky I'm a tough-guy, I might have balled....

*choke*Chrisisall

JACQUI

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:05 PM

Like I said, urban myth. It was hotly debated at the time.

Quote:
Hero was gut-wrenching at the end!!! Holy was that rough!!!

*This* is why you don't get spoiled. Wasn't it brilliant?

Keep letting us know your reactions, k?

Poor, poor self absorbed Cordy. I used to love that woman.

*~*~*
"Your toes are in the sand."
"And your head's up your..."
"Hey!"

BATMARLOWE

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:14 PM

Whattaya think of Doyle now, Mr. Smarty Pants?

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:08 PM

Well...he doesn't bug me anymore....

That was great. He turned out to be amazing. I don't know if I can watch it again...

No tissues left Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jacqui:
Poor, poor self absorbed Cordy. I used to love that woman.

Parting Gifts did sorta show that side of her, huh?

Is there any other side Chrisisall

ECGORDON

Saturday, September 10, 2005 1:48 AM

I finished with season 4 of Angel just a couple of nights ago. All I can say is that if season 5 gets better...I CAN'T WAIT!

Chrisisall, don't you dare skip season 4!

Angel is fast becoming one of my favorite shows ever, probably will end up in at least the top five all time.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

CHRISISALL

Saturday, September 10, 2005 1:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Angel is fast becoming one of my favorite shows ever, probably will end up in at least the top five all time.

Even the 'baby' episodes of S3?
I finished S1 and frankly, it was good, but not 'Buffy' good.

Chrisisall

MIKEYMO

Saturday, September 10, 2005 1:34 PM

Quote:
I finished S1 and frankly, it was good, but not 'Buffy' good.

Well, you've seen the best (2&3) of Buffy, and only the first season of Angel. You gotta give the poor guy a chance.

"He who sacks Vince Young shall spend that Saturday night in paradise with 73 virgins" -- Mohammad

JACQUI

Saturday, September 10, 2005 2:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Angel is fast becoming one of my favorite shows ever, probably will end up in at least the top five all time.
Even the 'baby' episodes of S3?
I finished S1 and frankly, it was good, but not 'Buffy' good.

Chrisisall

It gets better as everyone finds their place a little more.

You have to start a new thread for S2... we'll help you through it!

*~*~*
"Your toes are in the sand."
"And your head's up your..."
"Hey!"

WORKEROFEVIL

Saturday, September 10, 2005 3:59 PM

Chrisisall,
I don't think it's all that surprising that Buffy's feel changed as the show went on. It was in large part about growing up and moving into the adult world, so as Buffy gained more adult responsibilities the show's feel had to change. Angel was about redemption for past mistakes. Anegl, Cordy, Doyle, Wes, Gunn, Faith, Spike, and Harmony all had things in their past to atone for. (Fred and Lorne not so much but still) So, the feel of the show would stay pretty consistent. Or that's my view anyway.

HOWARD

Monday, October 31, 2005 5:19 AM

The first half of SEASON 4 is brilliant
The second half got into the wrong story
line in the fourth quarter.

AMNESIAC

Sunday, December 4, 2005 10:10 AM

The history of the writing of Season 4 without spoilers, is thus:

Charisma Carpenter (Chordy) got pregnant. Congradulations all around of course!
But, the storyline of Angel Season 4 had to change at the last minute to accommodate said pregnancy. She was originally set to be the Big Bad that season! Joss said so. So some convoluted and very bizarre plot points were created to get her the time she needed bring to the world her little bundle of joy.

So all of the things that make it a 'bad' season can be pinned on the nescessary last minute changes to the arch of the story.

Apart from that however, I think Season 4 of Angel was truly epic. It was huge. It was like an eighteen hour movie with very few stand alone episodes, and a huge arch. I liked it. It wasn't Angel Season 2, which totally freaked me out, but in that 'Oh my god I can't beleive they did that to my characters that I love, and it makes so much sense, and what great acting, but I'm really freaked out and distrurbed by how dark this is but it's also funny too.' kind of way.

Anyway. Don't skip Season 4. just keep in mind what went into composing the overarching story.

CAT1620RD

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:33 PM

Actually S4's "Orpheus" was one of my favorite episodes in all of Angel soooo....

"It's a real burden being right so often."

XLOGIC

Monday, January 2, 2006 8:47 AM

Whilst not one of my favourites, actually ranking bottom for me, I definitely wouldn’t say that it was a “bad season”, just not the strongest.

Having said that, it is, as many pointed out, perhaps the most experimental seasons running – with that huge arc.

It also has some very strong episodes; ‘Apocalypse, Nowish’, ‘Orpheus’, ‘Inside Out’ and ‘Home’ being amongst my favourites of the show’s five year run.

I seen so much death... I been on fields carpeted with bodies, friends and enemies - i seen men and women blown apart to messes no further from me to you. But every single ones of those people died on their feet. Fighting. Or, hell, running away - doing summat to get through...

KIDCONGOPOWERS

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:19 PM

The problem with season 4 is that it doesn't really work all that good as a whole. Many of the parts are great, but they don't necessarily make any real sense together.

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For instance, I liked the whole "The Beast"/Rain of fire/Apocalypse thing, which led to the return of Angelus and subsequently Faith. I also liked the Jasmine arc. However, those two made little or no sense together, and it almost seemed like the writers were just making it up as they went along. If you consider the fact that Cordy was under the control of Jasmine since she came back, or at least since the memory spell in "Spin the Bottle", many of her actions and reactions to things that happen during the season seems very strange

With that said, it's still very enjoyable though, just not quite as good as some of the other seasons.

GROUNDED

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:36 PM

Someone posted this link to a rather well argued deconstruction of S4 on Whedonesque the other day:

http://tomatonation.com/planb.shtml

KIDCONGOPOWERS

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:48 PM

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Originally posted by Grounded:
Someone posted this link to a rather well argued deconstruction of S4 on Whedonesque the other day:

http://tomatonation.com/planb.shtml

I thought that was somewhat whiny. Agree on some of the points, but some others were kinda ridiculous. I especially don't agree on the comments about S6 of Buffy and the whole Lilah thing that the reviewer for some reason goes on about for half a page.