Season 6 WAS good, no really...

POSTED BY: FURYFIRE
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FURYFIRE

Saturday, June 22, 2002 1:09 AM

S6 is triumphant. The outblast of fans is due to the fact that it didnt focus on Buffy as muh as other seasons did, such as S5 which was basically entirely the Summers family. This year, and especially this finale let the other characters shine, and i have to say that Anya seems far more developed even from an ep like Older and Far Away, watch her in that one. Spectacular. Xander rose to the top, finally doing something worthwhile, and BEING THE ONLY ONE WHO COULD. And since he was the only one who could, it is even sweeter. Dawn is getting more fighty, yeah Tara's gone, but maybe that'll give Willow some more different stories, ans yeah Buffy felt the pain of leaving heaven for this cruel world, but she knows she can live again...unless she dies at the end of S7, which i think is unlikely now sine the writers did all this work bringing her back, how will they end it(if it ends with S7).

Jossy's original idea to end Buffy was the Hellmouth sucking in the whole world, but that would end Angel which Joss wants at least 6 seasons out of he said. Or maybe Greenwalt said that, but his future is up in the air now b/c of Miracles, anyway... S6 was spectatcular in developing out beloved characters, lets just anticiapte next year.

Nuf' said.

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ZICSOFT

Saturday, June 22, 2002 10:47 PM

Well, I mostly didn't like S6. To be precise, I didn't like most of the story between Amy's return (which is when the season should have really taken off) and the appearance of Dark Willow.

Which kind of throws a spoke in the standard theory that the season was "too dark". Sure it was dark, but was it any darker than when Buffy went to fight The Master knowing she was going to die? Or when she had to abandon everything she loved in order to save the world from Angel?

I really looked forward to seeing Dark Willow, and she was as good as I expected. But I didn't enjoy her brief career all that much. I was just too disappointed with the lame way they built up to it. When Willow says to Giles, "Maybe it's not such a good idea for you to piss me off." there's a promise of long dark journey to Dark Willow.

Which promise is broken. Instead we get lame recycled soap opera. Addiction. Who's dreaming about whom? Fear of Commitment. Will I turn out like my parents? Will They Get Back Together? And finally, Tara's ridiculous death.

OK, I accept that they had to kill off poor Tara. But I'm sorry, that was a stupid way to do it. There's no room for guns in the Buffyverse. If bullets trump magic, why isn't everybody armed like an Arnold Swarzenagger character?

That's what it all comes down to, a failure of imagination. Which is a strange thing to say about the most imaginative show on TV. (Ever? Yeah, I guess so.) Maybe they realized they were caught in there own "raising the bar" trap, and just decided not to try to top themselves. So, yeah, we'll do a completely original Big Bad (have to do that), but we won't focus on her, avoid comparisons with Glory and Mayor Wilkins and Evil Angel.

Presumably it was some choice like that. I hate to think they let the season spin out of control just because they had too much going on.

Oh well, never mind. It's all done with now. When does Firefly start? I WANT TO SEE FIREFLY ALREADY

FURYFIRE

Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:09 AM

Between eps 12-19 i thought were good, being trapped in the house was a nice ep same with Riley's return, but they seemed more focused on one thing. The wedding, mental institution, and the aftermath was spectacular. I wish UPN would have held the whole buffy could just be mental ep until after the 6week hiatus. Buffy framed for murder was absolutely essential, and those seven eps i mentioned right there, it really furthered the stories. My fav ep this season would be the wedding, well done.

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ZICSOFT

Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:27 AM

So basically, you liked all the episodes I hated. Well, Riley's return was OK. So was the trapped one. But "OK" is the best I can do.

I really liked "Normal Again" -- until that stupid, stupid, STUPID ending. It wasn't even an ending, it was a stupid extra scene they tacked on trying to be cute.

Hell's Bells. What a disappointment. Yeah, it was nicely staged and had some good dialogue. And I'm not going to quibble with the ending, which served some higher purpose -- I hope. But couldn't they have found a way to break up Xander and Anya that didn't totally ignore the way the two characters had developed?

NOVAGRASS

Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:25 AM

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
So basically, you liked all the episodes I hated. Well, Riley's return was OK. So was the trapped one. But "OK" is the best I can do.

I really liked "Normal Again" -- until that stupid, stupid, STUPID ending. It wasn't even an ending, it was a stupid extra scene they tacked on trying to be cute.

Hell's Bells. What a disappointment. Yeah, it was nicely staged and had some good dialogue. And I'm not going to quibble with the ending, which served some higher purpose -- I hope. But couldn't they have found a way to break up Xander and Anya that didn't totally ignore the way the two characters had developed?

Agreed. Although, when you say the Riley return ep was ok, I'll go out and say it was horrid. Another attrocity was Dead Things (ok plot; horrible, horrible execution with *amazingly* lame dialogue.)

I liked Older and Far Away (the house one), though it was poorly paced and executed as though it were a series of non-connected scenes. There was a lot of great dialogue, though.

I agree with your estimation of Normal Again. It was a great episode (except for some corny dialogue at the beginning... and isn't the whole thing with Tara that she had no other friends? But I digress) until that ending. I was thinking about it for days... and it nearly ruined my enjoyment of the entire series.

To tell you the truth, I enjoyed everything up to Smashed... and then there was Wrecked (yuck!) and from Wrecked until Normal Again, the story was very bad (except for Gone and Doublemeat Palace). Basically, if the season had condensed Dead Things, Older and Far Away, As You Were, Hell's Bells into one big package written by Joss, the season would have been great. (Ironically, this was around the same time Joss was off filming Firefly and couldn't be on set... and where I believe the season got out of control, only to be redeemed by the last 5 episodes).

Now that I think about it... there were only five episodes that didn't fit very well into the season.

My feeling about the season: It was my favorite to date, containing some of the singularly best episodes of the entire series (After Life, Life Serial, Once More With Feeling, Smashed, Seeing Red, Two to Go, and Grave). Even though the story started to get out of control around episode 13 and produced some of the singularly worst episodes of the entire series (Wrecked, Dead Things, and As You Were), the utter goodness of the earlier and later episodes more than make up for the badness of the mid-season. Buffy gained a sense of visual maturity and experimental spirit in season six that I believe will make season 7 better than anything preceeding it. Some of the writers' experiments failed miserably, but even more succeeded and will add a new spirit to the rest of the series. Season 6 was a necessary evil (I, as expressed above, loved most of it) that served as a sort of transitional piece, much like season 4 (though, season 4, in my eyes, was an absolute failure save for 5 episodes), and will lead into some of the best the elements (visually and storytelling-wise) the series has to offer.

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

"Nice guys can only get so mad." Fillion on Mal

MOJOECA

Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:51 AM

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I liked Older and Far Away (the house one), though it was poorly paced and executed as though it were a series of non-connected scenes. There was a lot of great dialogue, though.

I thought OaFA was the absolute worst episode of the season. Words cannot express...

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I agree with your estimation of Normal Again. It was a great episode until that ending. I was thinking about it for days... and it nearly ruined my enjoyment of the entire series.

I loved the ending of NA. Don't be a literalist.

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Basically, if the season had condensed Dead Things, Older and Far Away, As You Were, Hell's Bells into one big package written by Joss, the season would have been great. (Ironically, this was around the same time Joss was off filming Firefly and couldn't be on set...

Actually, I believe he was filming FIREFLY in Feb/March during the evil (re: loquacious) Willow arc. OTOH, he would be busy with pre-production during that time.

ADDING: I think the midseason slump can be attributed to Buffy's endless rut. She had an epiphany of sorts at the end of every ep (Gone, DT, OaFA, AYW), and each time we expected a lighter mood, but instead she just sinks lower. The emotional arcs of all the characters (Dawn especially) just weren't meaty enough for a 22-ep season. Everyone's spinning their wheels until the end.

--- Joe

NOVAGRASS

Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:58 AM

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Actually, I believe he was filming FIREFLY in Feb/March during the evil (re: loquacious) Willow arc. OTOH, he would be busy with pre-production during that time.

Well... then... *Dylan's Head Explodes*

I guess I was wrong

But yeah... pre-production and what not... (so I wasn't *totally* wrong, right? RIGHT!?!)

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

"Nice guys can only get so mad." Fillion on Mal

VOODOO4936

Sunday, June 23, 2002 7:25 PM

Oh, please. Season 6 sucked rocks. Sluggish pacing, dull acting, and some of the worst writing I've seen this side of Dawson's Creek. Dammit, Marti Noxon! Didja think we would just sit back and accept the drug-addiction-metaphor tripe you fed us? The ONLY good parts of S6 were the ep where Tara died and, of course, "Once More, With Feeling".

Joss, please come back. PLEASE.

FURYFIRE

Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:06 PM

Funny you'd bring up Dawson's Creek. Didnt the writer of Normal Again write an ep of Dawson's Creek this season?

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ZICSOFT

Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:58 PM

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Originally posted by mojoeca:

I loved the ending of NA. Don't be a literalist.

Jeesh, what's that supposed to mean? We shouldn't care because it's all just a story anyway?

NOVAGRASS

Monday, June 24, 2002 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
Funny you'd bring up Dawson's Creek. Didnt the writer of Normal Again write an ep of Dawson's Creek this season?

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Hmm... IMDB credits the writer (Diego Gutierrez http://us.imdb.com/Name?Garc%EDa+Guti%E9rrez,+Diego ) as a Dawson's Creek writer and the writer of Buffy's "Normal Again." He's also been Joss Whedon's Writing Assistant since Season 3 (if you scour the ending credits, you'll see

).

Strange...

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

"Nice guys can only get so mad." Fillion on Mal

BOBKNAPTOR

Monday, June 24, 2002 6:44 PM

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Didja think we would just sit back and accept the drug-addiction-metaphor tripe you fed us?

I COULDN'T AGREE MORE! Although I'm not sure it was all Marti's fault. I've heard Joss quoted as saying that he worked very close on all the story arcs for S6. So even if he didn't write the episode, that doesn't mean he didn't approve of the willow/junky thing.

Of all the things to have someone get addicted to... MAGIC??? It's a show about vampires and demons. Magic has been a part of it from the very beginning. The entire season, the only thing that really put me off was the whole magic junky storyline. Willow was this amazing strong character, and her magic has been helpful, even saving the day when Buffy could not. And then they take that away from her. What will Willow be next season? back to the lovable but helpless computer geek she was in S1? I have to say that I didn't really find Willow to be that interesting a character until she started standing up for herself and standing on her own. I love her stubborness when Buffy would try to shield her from the evil and Willow would jump into the fray with her magicks anyway, or get pissed at Buffy for trying to hold her back. Yes, Buffy is the Slayer. But she is not the only powerful being. And I think that the show will suffer tremendously if Willow goes back to a magic-free lifestyle.

Unfortunately, making the connection between Magic and Drug addiction pretty much blocks them from pursuing a magical storyline with Will. For example, if she had a drinking problem, and she "kicked the habbit", they would never show her casually drinking a glass of wine, because she's an addict... she can't enjoy a casual glass of wine like other, non-addicted people. Same with magic now. Because of her addiction, she won't be able to cast even simple protection spells anymore. I think they definitely could have handled it differently.

Say, you all didn't happen to do a bunch of drugs, did ya?

ZICSOFT

Monday, June 24, 2002 7:09 PM

As they say over in Rush Country, Ditto. Magic Addict Willow was lame for all the reasons you mention. Plus it destroyed the impact of Evil Willow. Every Buffy season leads up to the Final Confrontation With The Big Bad. Screw that up and you screw up the whole season.

It gets worse. All though the summer of 2001 fans were driving themselves crazy with the big question: How will they bring Buffy back? They made it very clear with Joyce that ressurection is a no-no. There has to be a trick, a price, something.

After a while it seemed like the price would be the effect it had on Willow, by seducing her to the dark side. But then they simply abandoned that concept, and went with something recycled from an After School Special. Very sad.

BOBKNAPTOR

Monday, June 24, 2002 7:30 PM

Buffy The After School Special:

They have always done this. Season 2, she lied to go to a party where she drank alcohol and was nearly eaten by a snake monster.

Dawn lied about staying at a friends house and was nearly eaten by a vampire.

Buffy and Riley were having too much sex, and they unleashed the repressed spirits of past inhabitants of Riley's dorm who attacked partygoers and kept Buffy and Riley locked in his bedroom (even if they didn't notice they were locked in).

Buffy drinks beer with some guys from school, they all turn into neanderthals.

Even things as mundane as Buffy sneaks out of the house, Buffy gets grounded. or Buffy causes problems, Buffy gets kicked out of school.

But so far, they have all been real problems. Teenagers lying to their parents CAN lead to bad things (maybe not snake monsters, but the kids can get themselves hurt). Drinking CAN lead to stupid behavior. Getting caught up in the passion of a new relationship does put strain on friendships.

But why Magic? Other than this particular Magic=Meth/Heroin/Crack season, when has Willow's magic been anything but helpful to the Scoobs? And if Magic really were this big scary villain, how come Giles and Tara still used it?

Risk? Of what? Making her deader?

FURYFIRE

Monday, June 24, 2002 8:43 PM

Yeah, of course we all know he was jossy's assistant. Brett Matthews is now, and he posts on the firefly off. site, chek it out there.

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ZICSOFT

Monday, June 24, 2002 9:26 PM

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Buffy The After School Special:

They have always done this. Season 2..

Hmm, I don't think that episode had any particular moral. Or if it did, it wasn't "Don't hang out with guys who are too old for you, or you'll be eaten by a big snake"!

Sure Buffy uses themes from ordinary life, and they're mostly themes that have been in other TV shows. But there's usually an original spin to it. That's why Buffy has such a wide audience.

Willow Addict, on the other hand, is a standard-issue soap opera story with minor repackaging. Which is the sort of crap you see on every TV show except Buffy. Which makes it all the more disappointing.

TINYTIMM

Tuesday, June 25, 2002 1:35 AM

Point: Magic is POWER. And all Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Take a look at congress for awful examples.

Jeff Timm
Who is careful with what little power he has.

NOVAGRASS

Tuesday, June 25, 2002 3:59 AM

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Originally posted by TinyTimm:
Point: Magic is POWER. And all Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Take a look at congress for awful examples.

The thing is... they didn't play the power addiction angle. I think it would have been fascinating if the drug metaphor would have been left as sub-text, with the real issue being her addiction to power and the corruption that absolute power brings.

It may not be all Marti Noxon's fault, but I will probably hold her resonsible for the major flaw in the season. She wrote the *only* episode that blatantly compared magic to drugs (Wrecked), and she did it in such a tasteless and *obvious* way that it was utterly ludicrous. In my eyes, the rest of the season was a cover for Marti's screw-up in Wrecked. I may be totally off on this, maybe none of it was Marti's fault and it was all orchestrated by Joss, but until this is proven to me, I will hold her mostly responsible for the most uninteresting (read:annoying) aspect of Buffy to date.

Normally, I try to draw parallels to "Dark Age" from season 2 (the Ethan Rayne episode where we discover Giles had a negative experience with magic somewhat similar to Willow's story), or I try to explain it as "but Willow was using a destructive type of magic, and Tara had been using a "good" type of magic which Willow had been using up until this season," but I've given up on trying to justify Willow's addiction. I didn't like it at all... I'd go as far to say that I hated it.

One thing about Dawson's Creek... I don't see a comparison. DC is about "good" kids doing "good"/"normal" things and developing "normal" drama through their actions. Buffy, this season, was about good kids doing very very bad/not normal things and developing "dark" drama through their actions (that's right, drugs/magic and rape are not that common... and certainly not things dealt with on Dawson's Creek). Therefore, Buffy has more in common with trashy soap operas than Dawson's Creek.

Don't get me wrong, most of the season, I felt, was amazingly well done and incredibly powerful;however, when Wrecked aired, the series degraded tremendously (with the exception of "Gone" and "Doublemeat Palace") to a low level it has rarely reached in its six season run. During these episodes, it felt like I was watching the aforementioned "trashy soap opera." Only when Normal Again aired did the series return from it's mid-season hell and really start to take off again.

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

"Nice guys can only get so mad." Fillion on Mal

ZICSOFT

Tuesday, June 25, 2002 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by TinyTimm:
Point: Magic is POWER. And all Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Take a look at congress for awful examples.

Jeff Timm
Who is careful with what little power he has.

Still in the same political rut, I see.

But you have a point. And that's the way they started to portray Willow at the beginning of Season 6. Too bad they didn't stick with that.

FURYFIRE

Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:56 PM

But they did play the magik/powerful angle, ie. when Willow threatened Giles with her power in Flooded. I agree with the other guy, who said that? Tiny Tim? sry

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NOVAGRASS

Tuesday, June 25, 2002 9:04 PM

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Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
But they did play the magik/powerful angle, ie. when Willow threatened Giles with her power in Flooded. I agree with the other guy, who said that? Tiny Tim? sry

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That may be the case for the beginning of the season, but if you actually watch Wrecked and anything following it, you'll see that they left that angle in the dust.

Adds to the point that I believe it was Marti's fault. Everything leading up to Wrecked alluded to power addiction, but once Wrecked aired... oops, magic is now literally addictive. And *gasp* it has the same physical effects as heroin!

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

"Nice guys can only get so mad." Fillion on Mal

ZICSOFT

Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:40 PM

Well, it was a little more complicated than that. We got "Willow has an addictive personality" and Tara as an example of somebody who "can handle it".

Except a good Mutant Enemy story shouldn't need that kind of psychobabble!

FURYFIRE

Wednesday, June 26, 2002 3:19 AM

What about GONE? Willow felt helpless without the aid of her magicks until she finally took some intitiative in tracking down the nerds. Gone was after Wrecked. (Duh!)

She knew Tara loved her for who she was, so she gave up magick to give up the power and because the girl we know and love. ONce Tara died, she had no use for remaining magick-free and non-powerful, and went completely pumped of power and on the whole dark vengeance spree.

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NOVAGRASS

Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:13 AM

Season 6 spoilers... read at your own risk!

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Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
What about GONE? Willow felt helpless without the aid of her magicks until she finally took some intitiative in tracking down the nerds. Gone was after Wrecked. (Duh!)

By "Gone" do you mean the same "Gone" where Willow is carrying around a water bottle because she is in obvious physical withdrawl? How about "Doublemeat Palace" when Willow highlights her entire book because she can't concentrate due to her *physical withdrawl*? In Wrecked, Amy experiences *physical withdrawl* when she visits Buffy's home to take the oregeno (a *stupid* scene, btw)... then there are the strung-out kids in Rack's waiting room, who are experiencing the same effects of a *physical addiction* to heroin... and don't get me started on Willow's contrived little decision to take Dawn to Rack's "lair," an act that reaks of *physical addiction.*

If you're denying the fact that magic was *directly* related to drugs during this season, then you are either blind or horribly, horribly naive. PEOPLE DON'T SUFFER PHYSICAL WITHDRAWL WHEN THEY ARE DENIED POWER.

Whether or not she was power hungry is not what I'm arguing. I believe that during "Two To Go" Willow did indeed become power hungry... and the same power-crave was alluded to in the episodes prior to Wrecked; however, anything following and including Wrecked abandoned the power angle and never again alluded to Willow being power hungry... at least not until "Two To Go," when she drains Rack. This is how I saw it, and this *is* an objective matter. Read whatever the

you'd like into those episodes... I don't care how you saw it.

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

"Nice guys can only get so mad." Fillion on Mal

FURYFIRE

Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:38 PM

Shut the up! You're shoving words into my mouth that I didn't say. What the are you talking about??? Pleeze, never do that again.

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NOVAGRASS

Thursday, June 27, 2002 6:46 PM

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Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
Shut the up! You're shoving words into my mouth that I didn't say. What the are you talking about??? Pleeze, never do that again.

You crack me up, Furyfire

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

"Nice guys can only get so mad." Fillion on Mal

FURYFIRE

Thursday, June 27, 2002 6:57 PM

Stop witht e damn kisses. Are you gay?

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ZICSOFT

Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:19 PM

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Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
Stop witht e damn kisses. Are you gay?

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Somebody has orientation issues!

FURYFIRE

Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:32 PM

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Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
Stop witht e damn kisses. Are you gay?

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Somebody has orientation issues!

ACK ACK ACK!!!
:jumps out the window:

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NOVAGRASS

Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:37 PM

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
Stop witht e damn kisses. Are you gay?

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Somebody has orientation issues!

Well... you know what they say about homophobes!

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

"Nice guys can only get so mad." Fillion on Mal

FURYFIRE

Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:51 PM

Ya mother
I'm not gay! Ya crazy son of a

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BOBKNAPTOR

Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:04 PM

I can just feel the love in this thread.... It's beautiful.

Note to self: learn to duck.

NOVAGRASS

Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:12 PM

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I can just feel the love in this thread.... It's beautiful.

Note to self: learn to duck.

hehe... yup, bushels and bushels of love

If by love, you mean intollerance and hillarious irrationality, that is

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

"Nice guys can only get so mad." Fillion on Mal

ZICSOFT

Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:23 PM

Oh well, rationality is so overrated. My roommate, Elvis, does just fine without it. Yes, that Elvis!

NOVAGRASS

Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:40 PM

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
Oh well, rationality is so overrated. My roommate, Elvis, does just fine without it. Yes, that Elvis!

You

live with

Elvis

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Are

you

gay

or

somthing?

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

Finds himself much funnier than he probably should...

ZICSOFT

Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:25 PM

These animated smileys are getting out of control...

NOVAGRASS

Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
These animated smileys are getting out of control...

Ahh... for sure they will soon take over the board!

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

"Nice guys can only get so mad." Fillion on Mal

BLAISE

Friday, June 28, 2002 5:29 AM

teehee!!

all hail to the smileys!

blaise

FURYFIRE

Friday, June 28, 2002 3:11 PM

Oi, i wish i wuz dead

While yu nerds piss over this, I'm gonna go have sex with my girlfriend

ZICSOFT

Friday, June 28, 2002 3:55 PM

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Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
Oi, i wish i wuz dead

While yu nerds piss over this, I'm gonna go have sex with my girlfriend

Hey, no need to go into denial! Nowadays no right-thinking person objects to alternative lifestyles!

ZICSOFT

Friday, June 28, 2002 7:50 PM

An important link for FF:

http://www.freewarepalm.com/mature/gaydardeluxe_v22a.shtml

No need to thank me! It's enough to know that I helped a fellow human being reach his full potential!

FURYFIRE

Friday, June 28, 2002 7:52 PM

!!!!!!!!!! Go piss yurselfs, and stop with the hellddiddily hell kisses. ACKen arg!

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ZICSOFT

Friday, June 28, 2002 7:54 PM

Still in denial, I see. Oh well, you can say we didn't try to help!

FURYFIRE

Friday, June 28, 2002 7:55 PM

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
An important link for FF:

http://www.freewarepalm.com/mature/gaydardeluxe_v22a.shtml

No need to thank me! It's enough to know that I helped a fellow human being reach his full potential!

sry to dble post. but,

GAYDAR! What the squawken bawken crocken gayness are yu????? :bask:

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ZICSOFT

Friday, June 28, 2002 7:59 PM

OK, we have to cut this discussion short. All this laughing is aggravating my asthma!

NOVAGRASS

Saturday, June 29, 2002 1:24 AM

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OK, we have to cut this discussion short. All this laughing is aggravating my asthma!

LOL! Me too!

I especially found humorous the part where he said he was going to go have sex with his girlfriend. Hahaha!

Come on, Furyfire... we all know you're just playing hard to get.

Here's something for the road, FF...

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

still finding himself a little too funny

This one's for Furyfire...

FURYFIRE

Saturday, June 29, 2002 7:38 PM

F'n homos. How bout you go yourselves with your homo erotica nerdish ways and leave me and my gf alone. And yes, I did go f&*( her befo.

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ZICSOFT

Saturday, June 29, 2002 8:57 PM

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Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
F'n homos. How bout you go yourselves with your homo erotica nerdish ways and leave me and my gf alone. And yes, I did go f&*( her befo.

Definitely this guy has issues. Maybe we should back away before he gets violent.

NOVAGRASS

Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
Definitely this guy has issues. Maybe we should back away before he gets violent.

True, he may go out and drag some college boy behind his truck and beat him to death to take out some of his aggression.

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

Ducks rotten fruit

This one's for Furyfire...

ZICSOFT

Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:09 PM

One last word:

http://www.cyberblanca.com/as_time.au

(RealAudio version: http://www.cyberblanca.com/atgb1.ra )

NOVAGRASS

Sunday, June 30, 2002 2:01 AM

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
One last word:

http://www.cyberblanca.com/as_time.au

*Dylan's eyes well with tears*

A kiss is but a kiss, indeed...

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

This one's for Furyfire...

FURYFIRE

Sunday, June 30, 2002 2:19 AM

First a link to gaydar now this song???? What the hell do you do in your spare time????

And, the collge boy remark i resent and is a criminal offence, I'll kick your ass novagrass.

Now, who wants muffins?

Uh, is the tag the same as the signature?

ZICSOFT

Sunday, June 30, 2002 7:20 PM

OK, FF, we accept that you're a red-blooded heterosexual. But if kissing is too "gay" for you I suggest you and your girlfriend sitdown and discuss the concept of foreplay!

BOBKNAPTOR

Monday, July 1, 2002 8:27 PM

FuryFire,
Missed you at Gay Pride this weekend. You missed out on a fabulous time!

I happen to be very biteable, pal. I'm moist and delicious.

FURYFIRE

Tuesday, July 2, 2002 7:14 PM

! I am not gay! Continue this and I will sue you for misrepsentation of my name.

If you know anyone that can help my screenwriting career, please help! And yes, I am self-advertising here. Hehehe, me such a little devil.

ZICSOFT

Tuesday, July 2, 2002 7:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
Fuck! I am not gay! Continue this and I will sue you for misrepsentation of my name.

You mean FURYFIRE is your real name? Weird.

I hope you do understand that kissing is not neceessarily a homosexual act. Or even a sexual one. So kiss your girlfriend, it will make us all feel better.

BOBKNAPTOR

Tuesday, July 2, 2002 7:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
Fuck! I am not gay! Continue this and I will sue you for misrepsentation of my name.

Saying we missed you at the Pride festival doesn't mean your gay. It means you weren't there, and we missed you.

If you are going to vehemently declare your lack of homosexual tendencies, you could at least give us the courtesy "Not that there's anything wrong with that..."

But I have to say that I keep hearing this little voice that says "he doth protest too much"...

Okay, when *I'm* marveling at the immaturity, be scared.

FURYFIRE

Tuesday, July 2, 2002 7:58 PM

off.

Okay, the reason I take offence is because you are claiming I'm something that I'm not. That is offensive.

Btw, there is something wrong with that, and I know that quote.

Haken, sorry for the cursing , but I'm sure you;d understand why

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HAKEN

Tuesday, July 2, 2002 8:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
off.
Haken, sorry for the cursing , but I'm sure you'd understand why.

If you know anyone that can help my screenwriting career, please help! And yes, I am self-advertising here. Hehehe, me such a little devil.

Yeah, I understand.

So, everyone, play nice.

Hey, Furyfire, so you're an aspiring screenwriter? How many scripts have you written?

NOVAGRASS

Tuesday, July 2, 2002 9:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
! I am not gay! Continue this and I will sue you for misrepsentation of my name.

Sue away, Furyfire... sue to your little heart's content. No matter what you do, we'll still love you.

You can't escape our love.

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

This one's for Furyfire...

BOBKNAPTOR

Tuesday, July 2, 2002 10:13 PM

Sorry to sass you, FuryFire. I mean no offense. But you have to admit, you opened this can o worms yourself:

Quote:
Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
Stop witht e damn kisses. Are you gay?

That'll put marzipan in your pie plate, bingo!

ZICSOFT

Tuesday, July 2, 2002 10:43 PM

This is all Haken's fault. He's the one that invented that gay emoticon. Obviously he's part of the Gay Recruitment conspiracy. How many toasters do you have, huh Haken?

MOJOECA

Tuesday, July 2, 2002 11:00 PM

Smileys are androgynous, besides.

boy smiley

--- Joe

ZICSOFT

Tuesday, July 2, 2002 11:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mojoeca:
Smileys are androgynous, besides.

boy smiley

--- Joe

Well FuryFire insists that the kissy emoticons are gay.

HAKEN

Wednesday, July 3, 2002 12:08 AM

Okay, I gotta go and find myself some sexy female emoticons.

Oh, here's a hottie...

Better make my move...

Now, does it matter how many toasters I have?

BOBKNAPTOR

Wednesday, July 3, 2002 4:40 PM

Hey, Haken, are you going to share your new emoticons with the rest of the class? I hope you brought enough for everyone...

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Undead American

FURYFIRE

Wednesday, July 3, 2002 4:53 PM

WHy do you keep saying "You have to admit..." Um, don't you have to admit you are homosexual? Or don't we know that already? Can't you ever just piss off? After this post, I expect no replies except for the ones that WERE ON TOPIC about the greatness of Season 6

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BOBKNAPTOR

Wednesday, July 3, 2002 5:05 PM

FuryFire,

I already have admitted to my sexual preference. I think the point is that I don't think it's an insult. You seem to have a lot of issues about this, which is sad. So I'll just say:

S6 was wonderful. Amazing. Excellent character development. Yay, Buffy.

Now, as Cordelia would say, You should visit decaf land.

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That is a Tense person.

ZICSOFT

Wednesday, July 3, 2002 10:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
After this post, I expect no replies except for the ones that WERE ON TOPIC about the greatness of Season 6

The best thing about S6 was that there was not one word about FF's sexual orientation!

ZICSOFT

Wednesday, July 3, 2002 11:00 PM

Cool! Cool! Cool! Cool! Cool! Cool! Cool! Cool! Cool! Cool! Cool! Cool! Cool! Cool! Cool! Cool! Cool! Cool! Cool!

FURYFIRE

Thursday, July 4, 2002 1:38 AM

No, that was not kool man. I'm not gay, have you ever though that maybe you are?

If you know anyone that can help my screenwriting career, please help! And yes, I am self-advertising here. Hehehe, me such a little devil.

ZICSOFT

Thursday, July 4, 2002 3:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
No, that was not kool man. I'm not gay, have you ever though that maybe you are?

So what if I am? You gonna make something of it?

BOBKNAPTOR

Friday, July 5, 2002 4:23 PM

Zicsoft is my new hero for the day.

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That's me as a vampire? I'm so evil and... skanky. And I think I'm kinda gay.

NOVAGRASS

Friday, July 5, 2002 4:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bobknaptor:
Zicsoft is my new hero for the day.

Mine too.

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

This one's for Furyfire...

BOBKNAPTOR

Friday, July 5, 2002 6:29 PM

On a side note, is it just me, or does the guy at the top of this thread look like Riker (sp?) from Star Trek Next Gen?

EDIT:
Ok, Ms. Brilliant Bob just realized the pictures changed everytime the page loaded. hehe. This guy:

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As a psyche major I'm qualified to go "Hmmm."

FURYFIRE

Friday, July 5, 2002 8:18 PM

Bastards.

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BOBKNAPTOR

Friday, July 5, 2002 9:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
Bastards.

What'd we do this time, oh cranky one?

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That way lies spooky carnival death.

FURYFIRE

Saturday, July 6, 2002 1:22 AM

Scroll up, look at everything you've said to me, and see whos the cranky one.

Bastard

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ZICSOFT

Saturday, July 6, 2002 2:01 AM

Sorry FF, we all think you are the cranky one. Perhaps you should kiss your girlfriend more often.

KISSING
It's not just for faggots!

JUDU

Saturday, July 6, 2002 1:49 PM

well....... actually i loved this season... just like the others.......

"The hardest thing in this world is to live in it"
-Buffy

FURYFIRE

Saturday, July 6, 2002 5:30 PM

Zicsoft your off topic you troll. ANd when guys kiss its gay you . Now just shut the hell up. Reply to this topic WITH ONLY ON TOPIC posts, don't fake it and say some gay thing like before.
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KOOKYTREE

Saturday, July 6, 2002 6:06 PM

Furyfire?? I too am into screenwriting, but if you thought that season six was amazing, I ask you never to write anything ever. I dont think I could take it.

Nah, just kiddin. I'm not the biggest fan of the season (can I have an under with that statement?) but its over and done now so I guess there's no point in complaining.

"When guys kiss its gay".

Who knew??

Stay kooky.

ZICSOFT

Saturday, July 6, 2002 6:20 PM

Kookytree, do you have anything to say at all? These endless, "boy are you stupid" posts are getting pretty boring.

ZICSOFT

Saturday, July 6, 2002 6:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
Zicsoft your off topic you troll. ANd when guys kiss its gay you dumbass. Now just shut the hell up. Reply to this topic WITH ONLY ON TOPIC posts, don't fake it and say some gay thing like before.
If you know anyone that can help my screenwriting career, please help! And yes, I am self-advertising here. Hehehe, me such a little devil.

Hey guy, you were the one who started this subtopic in the first place:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=9&t=364&m=2086#2086
(Oops, that doesn't work when you embed it. Go to the top of the page and search for "damn kisses".)
If you had let all the good-natured digs go, this subtopic would have died off weeks ago. Instead you treat every little incident as a major flame attack. So don't point fingers.
Also, if you can't find a better way to express yourself than "shut up you troll dumbass" I don't see much future for you as a professional writer. Even if your characters spend all their time insulting each other, they're going to have to be more imaginative than that!

FURYFIRE

Saturday, July 6, 2002 7:46 PM

If you know anyone that can help my screenwriting career, please help! And yes, I am self-advertising here. Hehehe, me such a little devil.

NOVAGRASS

Saturday, July 6, 2002 8:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FURYFIRE:

I'm gonna have to agree with Zicsoft, but I see much hope in a screenwriting career. With the caliber of writing you've exhibited here, you're right on your way to joining the pantheon of no talent hacks who seem to rule Hollywood screenwriting these days.

Quote:
Kookytree: The only reason ppl complain about Season 6 is because they don't know a thing about storytelling, and that's why they complain every year. This year was necessary in growing all these characters more than they have in the last three years. Stupid Minds think alike. That's why they all complain. Maybe they should try living life instead of complaining about it, because obviously they've never felt anything.

It's people like this who make me ashamed to have liked-- wait a second... having... overwhelming desire... to...

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--
The Ultimate Buffy-Angel Quote Generator
Xander: This place is NORAD when we're at DefCon 1. (pause) Okay, I *so* need male friends.

FURYFIRE

Saturday, July 6, 2002 8:26 PM

Okay, are you dumb, or just stupid?

You didn't listen to a word I said, that's why your one of the many of this world and don't deserve to live.

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NOVAGRASS

Saturday, July 6, 2002 9:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
Okay, are you dumb, or just stupid?

dumb
adj 1: slow to learn or understand; lacking intellectual acuity; "so dense he never understands anything I say to him"; "never met anyone quite so dim"; "although dull at classical learning, at mathematics he was uncommonly quick"- Thackeray; "dumb officials make some really dumb decisions"; "he was either normally stupid or being deliberately obtuse"; "worked with the slow students" [syn: dense, dim, dull, obtuse, slow]
stupid
adj 1: lacking or marked by lack of intellectual acuity [ant: smart]

redundant
adj 1: repetition of same sense in different words; "`a true fact' and `a free gift' are pleonastic expressions"; "the phrase `a beginner who has just started' is tautological"; "at the risk of being redundant I return to my original proposition"- J.B.Conant [syn: pleonastic, tautologic, tautological]

Quote:
You didn't listen to a word I said, that's why your one of the many of this world and don't deserve to live.

Of course I didn't listen to a word you said! There's this whole thing with virtual interaction barriers.

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--
The Ultimate Buffy-Angel Quote Generator
Xander: We got trouble, right here in Hellmouth City.

FURYFIRE

Sunday, July 7, 2002 2:26 AM

Uh, listening to what someone says is not always through sound, listening incorporates listening to the written word, in this case via forum.

And the dumb/stupid thing is a joke to insult your lack of intelligence.

And btw, i wasn't speaking (note use of) to you, thus do not pay attention to other ppl's conversations. ie. you droppings boy

If you know anyone that can help my screenwriting career, please help! And yes, I am self-advertising here. Hehehe, me such a little devil.

ZICSOFT

Sunday, July 7, 2002 9:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FURYFIRE:

Well now, that's just plain lazy. What's the point of insulting me if you can't make me feel insulted? Bored, yes.

BOBKNAPTOR

Monday, July 8, 2002 7:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
Uh, listening to what someone says is not always through sound, listening incorporates listening to the written word, in this case via forum.

And the dumb/stupid thing is a joke to insult your lack of intelligence.

And btw, i wasn't speaking (note use of) to you, thus do not pay attention to other ppl's conversations. ie. you droppings boy

If you know anyone that can help my screenwriting career, please help! And yes, I am self-advertising here. Hehehe, me such a little devil.

So, call me crazy, but if I were trying to advertise my writing ability and was asking others for help in kicking off a writing career, I probably wouldn't insult a bunch of people I was talking to. Also, I wouldn't react so vehemently to all things gay related (of course *I* wouldn't do this anyway... but that's just me).

I think it's funny that the person who started the whole gay/off-topic conversation is the one pushing back on it so hard.

Also, not EVERY guy/guy kiss is gay, genius. What about a father kissing his son? or a friend kissing a friend? Would you also consider it gay if two female friends kissed hello or good bye in a non-sexual manor?

Close-minded morons like yourself make me crazy. I don't get it. How on earth can people have such issues about homosexuality? What's the big deal? I've got a theory that people only react violently to the idea of homosexuality if they themselves are insecure about their own sexuality.

I'd love to be super friendly and leave kisses for you like Nova. But he's a better person then I am. So I'll leave a kiss for him

for you Nova. You rock!

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It's some sort of lord of the dance. But not the scary one - just a demon.

FURYFIRE

Monday, July 8, 2002 7:32 PM

Oh off already. Just because your gay doesn't mean you have to go out on some huge homo-erotic thing. I didn't start the topic about gays, yall did.
Can't you leave it alone, you've badgered it to death, and this has nothing to do with writing, and it was never intended for you. What he did was an act of homosexuality, which i want no part of. I think you're the close minded dumbass, because you obviously don't understand anything.
Drop it. Whoever responds to this topic will be considered a , and flauted that way.
If you know anyone that can help my screenwriting career, please help! And yes, I am self-advertising here. Hehehe, me such a little devil.

ZICSOFT

Monday, July 8, 2002 7:47 PM

Actually, FF, none of us have said we're gay. What we have done is poke fun at your extreme touchiness about your own sexuality.

Here's my last word on the subject: grow up. This whole hassle started because you started repeatedly insulting people. We didn't realize that's what you were trying to do, because we couldn't believe anybody'd be stupid enough to use "gay" as an insult in a Buffy forum of all places.

And, as you keep pointing out, this is all off-topic, so let's just drop it. No wait, you'll want to get in the last word, so we'll let you do that and then we'll drop it.

And restrain the stupid insults, or we'll take the easy way out and just ignore you.

BOBKNAPTOR

Monday, July 8, 2002 7:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
Oh off already. Just because your gay doesn't mean you have to go out on some huge homo-erotic thing. I didn't start the topic about gays, yall did.
Can't you leave it alone, you've badgered it to death, and this has nothing to do with writing, and it was never intended for you. What he did was an act of homosexuality, which i want no part of. I think you're the close minded dumbass, because you obviously don't understand anything.

First of all, I said nothing homo-erotic. Second, Nova sent you a friendly kiss in an effort to stop the flaming you were doing.

Quote:
Originally posted by Novagrass:

You crack me up, Furyfire

You were the one that took a friendly gesture and turned it into some kind of sexual come-on. Of course, I'm sure he realizes now that it was like throwing gasoline on the fire. And why he would want to be friendly to a tight-ass like yourself is beyond me. If you aren't even capable of laughing at yourself, then you are a sad, pathetic person. I can just imagine what your characters are like without this ability. I'm guessing your stuff has the depth of a Pauly Shore movie without the benefit of trying to be funny.

Quote:
Originally posted by FURYFIRE:

Drop it. Whoever responds to this topic will be considered a , and flauted that way.

I'll take my chances. Besides, if you would stop responding to this, so would the rest of us. You don't get the last word just because you say you get the last word.
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That's great, Larry, you've really mastered the single entendre.

FURYFIRE

Monday, July 8, 2002 9:13 PM

Who cares about your last word shit.
Listen, because you don't understand, you have nothing to do with this. What novagrass said and what i said back was supposed to be a jokingly way of replying, scroll up.I guess you all can't take a joke. W/E!!!
Btw, bobbie, you pointed out that you're angry that i have an opinion. I an have an opinion, and its an informed one, so shut up, I have rights.

And this had nothing to do with you!
I just wanna talk about Firefly, Buffy, Angel, and Whedon. I don't want to talk about this anymore, and I'm sure you don't.
You put in your last two cents, so did I, so drop it right here and now. Okay? I'm not going to read this topic anymore, so there's no point in continuing, and I'm going away on my cross-country trip.
(sings) SO this is the end my friend, so long till we'll be together again......(into the night)

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BOBKNAPTOR

Monday, July 8, 2002 9:26 PM

Last word.

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Check. No more Butt Monkey.

FURYFIRE

Monday, July 8, 2002 9:29 PM

Let it go! ack, pleeze don't reply, it sends those stupid notification emails to my ebox

Venerial Disease Island The Gane Show: Who will catch it?

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BOBKNAPTOR

Monday, July 8, 2002 9:34 PM

I can't help it! I'm driven to do it...

Maybe they have a 12-step program? The FFAA (FuryFire Annoyers Anonymous) program?

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I resent that...or, possibly, thank you.