Things Noticed in Serenity Some Spoilers!

POSTED BY: SpacemanSpiff
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SPACEMANSPIFF

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:19 AM

I thought it'd be nice to start a lighter thread relating to the BDM, considering that so many are taking the movie so seriously (and believe me, I'm one of them). So,

Let's hear the things people noticed in the film that harken back to the show.

Someone on a different thread mentioned that the spacesuits Mal, Zoe, and Jayne used were the same ones from the show. I didn't notice that, but I like the thought of it.

Also, in the scene with Jayne and Kaylee cleaning up the cargo hold, Kaylee is figeting with a catalyser, the infamous part from Out of Gas. And she had that knowing smile on her face!

OK, what else?

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

RAKARR

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:33 AM

Not sure.... Although is it just me or does Simon look different in the movie? To me it looks like his hair is different. Perhaps darker. Also he looks more musculare in the movie. Also Book's hair just seemed different as well. Maybe it's just me....

Was "Vera" the same? I can't remember.

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SPACEMANSPIFF

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:36 AM

Was that Vera in the final shootout? I was having a hard time paying attention to details at that point.

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

RAKARR

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:43 AM

Honestly it's a little hard to remember every thing correctly. I've only seen it once. Hope to see it tomorrow or Thursday for a 2nd time. Although I think I saw Jayne with a shiny silver plated gun looking like Vera. Not sure.

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MADRIK

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:48 AM

I got a good look at the gun. I don't have the DVDs so many you guys can help me out. I don't remember Vera being a full automatic weapon. When it fired from the space suit, wasn't it like a single-shot or a semi-auto? But the gun Jayne had was large with a long and thick barrel, having a green LED near or on the tip. I don't think its the same weapon.

RAKARR

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:59 AM

It maybe wasn't the same gun for that scene. Although at some time I think I saw it.

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DUCESTECUM

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 9:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SpacemanSpiff:
I thought it'd be nice to start a lighter thread relating to the BDM, considering that so many are taking the movie so seriously (and believe me, I'm one of them). So,

Let's hear the things people noticed in the film that harken back to the show.

Someone on a different thread mentioned that the spacesuits Mal, Zoe, and Jayne used were the same ones from the show. I didn't notice that, but I like the thought of it.

Also, in the scene with Jayne and Kaylee cleaning up the cargo hold, Kaylee is figeting with a catalyser, the infamous part from Out of Gas. And she had that knowing smile on her face!

OK, what else?

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

I believe the spacesuits were the same. I thought they looked familiar but it didn't actually occur to me until you mentioned it. As for Kaylee and the catalyser, I have seen it three times now and I missed that. I will definitely be looking for it when I see it again this weekend! Thanks for the heads up!

"And that's not incense!"

MALBADLATIN

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 10:01 AM

SPOLIERS = Yikes

Mal falls onto a grating in the episode Out Of Gas - close up of his face and blood dripping onto the grate

Mal falls onto a grating in the movie. - close up of Mals bloody face at the Mr. Universe back-up signal feed platform.

War Stories: during the torture scene - fake blood inadvertently stains Alan's contact lens. source: Commentary on the DVD.

Movie: Close up on Mal after a fight with the Operative - one eye has blood around the iris area.

Books hair: Firefly- It's tied up in a bun. Movie- It's in Cornrows.

There are a whole lotta winks and nods given to the TV series via the movie.

Speculation alert:

The gun Jayne uses during the Mr Universe reaver scene looks sort of like a small gatling gun with some sci fi modifications. Vera looks more like a AR-15 assault rifle with sci fi modifications.

Zoe uses a pistol gripped lever action short barrel shotgun and I think it's the same gun used in many of the Firefly episodes. ?

AN81ANGEL

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 10:05 AM

i havent seen the entire series, but i just got it through amazon.com and am waiting for it's arrival, so i dont know much about what is or isnt the same, but i did notice something cute or funny, or what ever u want to call it...

did anyone notice that Jayne had on a BoyScout uniform t-shirt. i thought it was hi-larious to see big huge honking Jayne (Adam B.) with a little kids style/type shirt on...what do u think.

PSYCHICRIVER

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 12:02 PM

At the end, when Mal is sitting in the pilot seat, he flicks those 3 switches.

And apparently, when the crew are walking of the ship at Beaumonde, Jayne can be seen wearing his hat from The Message.

PsychicRiver

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INEVITABLEBETRAYAL

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 12:38 PM

In the scene where Mal gets the wave from Inara, he stands there and talks to her with no shirt on. That big-ass scar near his right shoulder (which I initially took to be a war wound) is actually the scar from "Train Job" where Krull chunked that big old knife at him.

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DONCOAT

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 1:17 PM

I thought it was interesting that Mal showed obvious scars, when we saw at least one case where a person's entire insides were swapped out without leaving a visible scar (Simon needed his instruments to detect it). Maybe just variation in the level of medical care available? Or maybe just to make Mal look cool with his shirt off?

I noticed the catalyzer too. I assumed it had come off the Reaver's shuttle along with the other junk, and Kaylee was scavenging. I could almost hear her thinking, "Gee, it's nice to have a spare, finally."

Not only did I *notice* Mal flipping the three magic switches; I *anticipated* it! "Is he gonna flip the... yes he is!!" I consider it a nice tribute to Wash, or maybe to Alan himself (who originated the three-switches bit).

THEWANDERINGBARD

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 2:28 PM

During Mal's big speech, Jayne and Simon both take a drink from a bottle with the Blue Sun logo on it. That was the only one I caught my second time around.

Jayne does tote Vera in the movie, but not against the Reavers.

Oh and this may just be me, but Mr. Universe and the fembot, total props to Buffy for that one.

Those are the only ones I can think of right now, if I think of more, I'll be sure to post. And next time see what other Blue Sun stuff you see, I hope we haven't heard the last of them.

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MUTT999

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 2:50 PM

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Originally posted by TheWanderingBard:
During Mal's big speech, Jayne and Simon both take a drink from a bottle with the Blue Sun logo on it. That was the only one I caught my second time around.

The only other time I noticed a Blue Sun logo was on Mr Universe's wall 'o screens. It played the Blue Sun commercial (girl smiling, holding can), that we saw a few times in the series.

"That's the buffet table....."

TOMMYGUN

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 3:25 PM

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Originally posted by DonCoat:
I thought it was interesting that Mal showed obvious scars, when we saw at least one case where a person's entire insides were swapped out without leaving a visible scar (Simon needed his instruments to detect it). Maybe just variation in the level of medical care available? Or maybe just to make Mal look cool with his shirt off?

Well, with Tracey in The Message, they were *smuggling*. It was a big operation worth lots of money, thus the careful stitching to conceal it. With Mal, well, he got stabbed. It wasn't a clean cut, they probably didn't have all the supplies, etc. They had no real motivation to make it invisible.

"Well...here I am...."

NOSADSEVEN

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 4:02 PM

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Originally posted by TommyGun:
Quote:
Originally posted by DonCoat:
I thought it was interesting that Mal showed obvious scars, when we saw at least one case where a person's entire insides were swapped out without leaving a visible scar (Simon needed his instruments to detect it). Maybe just variation in the level of medical care available? Or maybe just to make Mal look cool with his shirt off?

Well, with Tracey in The Message, they were *smuggling*. It was a big operation worth lots of money, thus the careful stitching to conceal it. With Mal, well, he got stabbed. It wasn't a clean cut, they probably didn't have all the supplies, etc. They had no real motivation to make it invisible.

Not to mention, didn't Simon say something like, "You really should have let me do this sooner?" while he was stitching that one up?

But while we're on the subject of scars in that scene... I noticed one on his arm (where he was grazed in the pilot ep), and another that's probably supposed to be the gut shot from Out of Gas.

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MER

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 4:31 PM

things I noticed?

*River wears goggles.
-In mrs. macolm reynolds he wears the same goggles to open the cockpit hatch.

*Where jayne wears the tiny boy scout shirt (which makes him look VERY hot) underneath is that one pinup with the censored eyes over her.
-i can't recall the episode where he wears this in.

*malcolm scars and the reference to being stabbed in the place where the operative tries to paralyze him at.
-Serenity ep (top right shoulder), War Stories (sternum), Shindig (lower right side of back).

*river's boots.
-uhh she wears them in practically all the episodes except for train job. lol.

*Simon's jacket he wears when they land in town.
-the message.

*Jayne's devil shot glass.
-i dunno why but it has some significance...it bothers me greatly b/c i bet it is.

*things actually fall down while the ship shakes violently!
-we never got to see that in the show! I'm so happy ^_^. I always questioned this and now i know. Some things are bolted down and some aren't.

*river's blue jacket.
-is it me or is that inara's? I seen it before, but can't remember where from.

*sticking needles into river's brain
-they stuck it in the side, but it's needles...she mentions this once in the episode, but it's seen in train job just before she wakes up.

*Mal falls into the screen when getting the crap beated out of him.
-out of gas.

*Wash still has that damn hawaiian shirt...lol

*mal tosses the operative the red button beacon panel.
-out of gas

*Every place they've landed at were up in flames...

*the ship that chases them from the begging i s the same at the end.
-when they pulled the crazy ivon, i could have sworn it's the same one.

*I think it's been down more than once, but seeing the kitchen area before it's shown. I know they did it for the cockpit, but i specifically remember seeing mal's pants in the shot.
-Serenity.

*Mal's stained eye at the end.
-War stories.

God...ok. I'm done. this is tiring...i'm sure there's a whole heap more..but in short, I notice a LOT...except for the blue sun logo. i never see those damn things until someone mentions it.

NESS

Thursday, October 6, 2005 2:22 AM

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Originally posted by PsychicRiver:
And apparently, when the crew are walking of the ship at Beaumonde, Jayne can be seen wearing his hat from The Message.

Actually, it's not the same hat. It has more strips and it's not the same colours. Adam was wearing the hat in a picture when those big cakes were delivered to the set.

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There were two more Blue Sun logos on boxes in the cargo bay. One can be seen behind Simon when he walks up to the catwalk and I can't remember where the second one is. It's on a box somewhere in the cargo bay. Also in the cargo bay are some dumbbells but not the weightlifting set as far as I could tell.

Also, as River's teacher is finishing up her lesson about the new solar system, to the left of the screen behind her is a list of planets, possibly Core planets since Osiris and Londinum are mentioned. But also on the list is Shadow, Mal's home planet. Is Mal from a Core planet? And apparently Mal's was born in 2468, according to the file the Operative is looking at. That makes him, what, 50?

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PENGUINRTR

Thursday, October 6, 2005 2:37 AM

In the TV series Simon pays people to get River out. In the movie, Simon gets River out. Or maybe it was stated in the TV series that Simon got help into getting River out, which means he probably got her out in the first place as was shown at the beginning of the movie. I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong.

CYBERSNARK

Thursday, October 6, 2005 3:38 PM

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Originally posted by Ness:
And apparently Mal's was born in 2468, according to the file the Operative is looking at. That makes him, what, 50?

Joss can't count. This isn't news.

(C.F. The birth/death dates on Buffy's tombstone.)

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MER

Thursday, October 6, 2005 4:05 PM

It would be nice if he did, b/c now we're going to be calling him on it. lol.

let's ignore that number and subtract the current date of serenity from nathan's actual age to get mal's birth year.

KINGMATTRESS

Thursday, October 6, 2005 4:52 PM

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*malcolm scars and the reference to being stabbed in the place where the operative tries to paralyze him at.
-Serenity ep (top right shoulder), War Stories (sternum), Shindig (lower right side of back).

The Shindig thing is off. He says that he damaged that nerve in his first tour, if memory serves. That makes it a war wound. He didn't get paralyzed in Shindig when he's stabbed.

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*river's blue jacket.
-is it me or is that inara's? I seen it before, but can't remember where from.

I think that was Kaylee's from the pilot.

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*mal tosses the operative the red button beacon panel.
-out of gas

I didn't notice that. Good eye.

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MER

Friday, October 7, 2005 2:05 PM

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The Shindig thing is off. He says that he damaged that nerve in his first tour, if memory serves. That makes it a war wound. He didn't get paralyzed in Shindig when he's stabbed.

ohhhh.. lol there are some words I caught in the movie and some I didn't.

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I think that was Kaylee's from the pilot.

holy crap! I think it is! lol. *looks around* Did anybody catch that one?

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I didn't notice that. Good eye.

^_^ Thanks.

LUPINADDAMS

Friday, October 7, 2005 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by Mutt999:
Quote:
Originally posted by TheWanderingBard:
During Mal's big speech, Jayne and Simon both take a drink from a bottle with the Blue Sun logo on it. That was the only one I caught my second time around.

The only other time I noticed a Blue Sun logo was on Mr Universe's wall 'o screens. It played the Blue Sun commercial (girl smiling, holding can), that we saw a few times in the series.

Seems to me that the Mule drove through a huge neon Blue Sun logo running from the Reavers' first attack...

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QUASARWINDS

Friday, October 7, 2005 10:41 PM

Ain't this a fun little game. One more reason to see the movie again. Here's another:

Joss posted this on the OB

Post subject: Worst. Movie. Ever.

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was probably "Summer Holiday" with Mickey Rooney. Can you believe that kid was the biggest star in the world? Funny world.

Meanwhile, I'm just rounding out the weekend with a little praise for my dear peeps. Considering everything we've had to overcome, this is an extraordinary achievment. And you guys have been in the front lines. I lurk, I know all. So thanks. Some of you might know that this flick means more than a little to me.

Yes, the second weekend will tell all, as we've always known. I'm not here to push you guys -- you push yourselves way harder than I could anyway. I'm just trying to figure out how to get the message out to the guys that aren't you, that don't know any of you, and that don't run into someone who saw the film. I'll be hounding the extremely patient Uni execs on that very subject. Like the lady said, "People have to know".

It's not that there HAS to be a sequel. It's just that I've got so many IDEAS...

DARKJESTER

Friday, October 7, 2005 11:15 PM

Lens flares!! I saw me some lens flares, and I liked 'em plenty!

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

LADYSTARHAWK

Saturday, October 8, 2005 1:48 AM

WARNING: SPOILERS :)

Interesting Biblical tidbit from the movie:

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Just before the Operative kills Mr. Universe he says "There, it's done, now give me my 30 coin." (or something darn close to that.) I think it's a Biblical reference to Judas's "payoff" for turning Jesus in (30 pieces of silver, IIRC). Interesting note: Judas didn't survive either, although he took his own life. I think Mr. Universe knew he was going to die whether he cooperated or not.

I didn't notice this until my second viewing.

I'll try and think of more.

Lady Starhawk

My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle. - Mal

SKYMUTT

Saturday, October 8, 2005 2:14 AM

Ok, here's one big thing I noticed that I might just be making up after the fact, I want your opinions.

It seems that Wash's death really had little point in the scheme of things. Sure, it added that hard twinge of drama for all the fans, but it did nothing in the way of plot or exposition. Here's what I noticed...

When the crew is outdoors on Miranda, just before the scene inside the crashed ship, they're coming to the realization that the whole population just lay down to die. One of the last things said about this is when Jayne says something to the effect of 'they all just died for no good reason'

As he says this, the camera pans to the right and focuses solely on Wash, only wash, and holds for a moment. Hmmm.. foreshadowing, or just my addlepated self finding meaning where ther is none? comments?

LUCKYSPENCER7

Saturday, October 8, 2005 3:39 AM

whoa, totally didn't notice that. darn, I'll just have to go see it again :D

LONGWAYOFDRUMS

Saturday, October 8, 2005 7:05 AM

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Originally posted by Rakarr:
Not sure.... Although is it just me or does Simon look different in the movie? To me it looks like his hair is different. Perhaps darker. Also he looks more musculare in the movie. Also Book's hair just seemed different as well. Maybe it's just me....

Simon had a completely different haircut. So did Mal, actually. Both have longer hair than they did in the series, and both have more modern cuts instead of the distinctly Old West styled cuts they used to have. It looks better and it's honestly more believable. And I want Simon's haircut.

Book had cornrows and a fairly bushy beard, where in the series his hair was pulled back into a bun (the movie is an enourmous improvement here).

Oddly enough, the women looked pretty good in the series, and the movie improvements weren't really as dramatic.

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Originally posted by Rakarr:
Was "Vera" the same? I can't remember.

Vera was a tarted up Saiga shotgun (or AK of some sort; hard to tell under the plastic) in the series (usual scifi stuff: tons of plastic glued onto a real gun in order to make no sense at all). In the movie, however, Jayne uses an HK MP5SD with a bunch of crap glued on and an HK MP5K with a bunch of crap cut off (it's the small machine pistol strapped to his chest that he uses to 'authorize' his way into the vault). Aside from Zoe's Mare's Leg carbine and Mal and Jayne's iconic pistols, none of the guns carry over from the series.

And Mal's rifle is really, really, really ugly.

Quote:
Originally posted by LadyStarhawk:
WARNING: SPOILERS :)

Interesting Biblical tidbit from the movie:

Select to view spoiler:
Just before the Operative kills Mr. Universe he says "There, it's done, now give me my 30 coin." (or something darn close to that.) I think it's a Biblical reference to Judas's "payoff" for turning Jesus in (30 pieces of silver, IIRC). Interesting note: Judas didn't survive either, although he took his own life. I think Mr. Universe knew he was going to die whether he cooperated or not.

I didn't notice this until my second viewing.

I'll try and think of more.

Lady Starhawk

My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle. - Mal

Actually, what he says is "Now give my 30 coin, but I got a newswav for you—" Presumably he was on his way to telling the Operative to go to hell, but didn't quite get there. Paying close attention to the scene gives the distinct impression that he didn't expect to be killed (at least not right there, like that) and wasn't at all happy about betraying Mal and his crew. In that light, the Judas reference comes off more as a defiant insult than anything else.

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WASHBURN

Saturday, October 8, 2005 11:51 AM

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And Mal's rifle is really, really, really ugly.

Mal's Rifle is a heavily sci-fi modified M-16A2...I deal with that gun on a daily basis...I know the build of that gun.

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I can't remember what movie it was (definately horror) but the bodies on Serenity looked insanely familiar to another scene with burned skeletons from another universal film...god if I remember I'll post it

Vera was a sci-fi modded ak-74 BTW....the gun used by Jayne in the Reaver fight? was a sci=fi modded m-249 SAW

QUICKSAND

Saturday, October 8, 2005 11:59 AM

More recently above was reference to the departure of Wash: there was a shot also in the dining area on the ship, of a holster'd gun (Mal or Jayne's) in the foreground, and Wash looking up in the background. Maybe this is just crazy fans like me making a connection where there is none. Joss didn't even know about the Forbidden Planet reference until just the other week.

TWO -- I don't find it beyond the realm of possibility that Simon lied to the crew about what he knew about River. Those two are closer than Simon and any of the other crew, as is evidenced by how he smacks Mal around a couple times.

THREE -- Several people above noted Jayne's "Boy Scout Uniform" ... look again. I know for a fact I read "Security" on that uniform, and when I go back to watch it a 3rd time this weekend, I'm going to see if he picks it up during the heist. I'm not 100% certain it happens on screen, but for him to pick up a souvenir would not be out of character... 'specially cuz the uniform don't fit.

FOUR -- The Biblical reference made by The Operative. Supremely good catch, but that's just Joss being Joss. The very first time I watched the pilot of the TV show, I did a double take when Mal said, "I'm sure it was a real tale of woe," in reference to Simon and River. This is a reference to Romeo and Juliet. So Mal reads... and not just poems. :b (try not to faint).

FIVE -- Pointless death always occurs in a battle, and Mal and Zoe know this. Yes, I hate to see ANY of these wonderful characters go, but if anything it was a double-whammy on Zoe; first, she cracks for the ONLY TIME in the entire series, even when Reavers were closing in on the first episode, she only got slightly tense. When it's all said and done, she pulled it together so fast I kinda felt WORSE for Wash, because there was no mourning. She keeps everything inside so tight, she might indeed be the scariest character here, giving River a run for her money. That's ONE.... TOUGH.... LADY.

SIX -- Beginning, Operative, "You cannot make me mad." End, Mal, "You shot me in the back. Guess I must've made you pretty mad." ... I only caught this on 2nd viewing. But then again, I may be stupid.

SEVEN -- I noticed the DOB for Mal as well, I'll need to look harder. There's a short bio for Mal next to it, but it seems to be the kind of thing where we have to wait for the DVD so we can pause it. Don't tell ME Joss don't care about nerds like us.

And finally, were Mingo and Fanty ever mentioned by name on the TV show? I think they were, but can't remember which episode. One of you will know, I'm sure.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, October 8, 2005 1:11 PM

I tried looking for the big red button on Wash's dashboard,but did see it. Anyone catch if it was anywhere to be found ?

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

LUCKYSPENCER7

Saturday, October 8, 2005 2:21 PM

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Originally posted by Quicksand:
And finally, were Mingo and Fanty ever mentioned by name on the TV show? I think they were, but can't remember which episode. One of you will know, I'm sure.

I don't recall them being metioned in the series, but in #3 of the comic, a certain someone we know does drop their name.

MELVILLE

Saturday, October 8, 2005 3:46 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I tried looking for the big red button on Wash's dashboard,but did see it. Anyone catch if it was anywhere to be found ?

I didn't notice it on the dash, but there was a big red button used to open/close the blast doors near the end that deffinitly reminded me of Wash's red button.

WORKEROFEVIL

Saturday, October 8, 2005 4:04 PM

I noticed in Mal's bio that it said he was the son of a rancher. It was there very shortly, but still there. Little reference for the TV fans to enjoy.

LONGWAYOFDRUMS

Sunday, October 9, 2005 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by Washburn:
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And Mal's rifle is really, really, really ugly.

Mal's Rifle is a heavily sci-fi modified M-16A2...I deal with that gun on a daily basis...I know the build of that gun.

Er, no, actually. Mal's rifle is an AR-180 that's been only moderately screwed with.

http://www.ar-180.com/

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"Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein."

"Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take a boat in the air you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of worlds. Love keeps her in the air when she oughtta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keels. Makes her home."

JOEMO

Sunday, October 9, 2005 2:09 AM

Someone tried to say that the ship they are chased by in the beginning of the movie is the same one as the one from the end of the first episode. Thats definately wrong. The one from the episode was easily twice the size of Serenity herself. The one in the movie is barely bigger than the suped up mule.

JOEMO

Sunday, October 9, 2005 2:20 AM

What is this comic you speak of and where do I go to buy a million copies?

JOEMO

Sunday, October 9, 2005 2:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Quicksand:
there was a shot also in the dining area on the ship, of a holster'd gun (Mal or Jayne's) in the foreground, and Wash looking up in the background.

The gun in the foreground is Zoe's. If I remember correctly this is when Jayne is bad mouthing Mal and his fighting in the war.... I could be wrong, I will correct my self tonight if I am. I am 20 minutes away from my third viewing of the movie.

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DWAHN

Sunday, October 9, 2005 2:33 AM

at the end u an See waSh'S toy dinoaurS

DONCOAT

Sunday, October 9, 2005 2:37 AM

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Originally posted by joemo:
What is this comic you speak of and where do I go to buy a million copies?

The comic is called Serenity. There are three issues, each with three different covers available. I have 8 of the 9 permutations, which I bought from Midtown Comics online. It may be available in your local comics shop (if any).

The comics were written by Joss, published by Dark Horse, and beautifully drawn and colored. They depict events that occur between the TV series and the movie.

ANGELICANGEL

Sunday, October 9, 2005 3:23 AM

I have three of the comics I just bought. They only had three or four covers available, I want to get all of them.

Angel
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HANITRADER

Sunday, October 9, 2005 3:59 AM

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Originally posted by joemo:
Someone tried to say that the ship they are chased by in the beginning of the movie is the same one as the one from the end of the first episode. Thats definately wrong. The one from the episode was easily twice the size of Serenity herself. The one in the movie is barely bigger than the suped up mule.

True. That Puppy was not the nasty Trans-U from the pilot.

BUT...

As Serenity zooms along to go head-to-head with the Operative's Fleet, one of the tag-along Reaver nasties in the fleet is the Pilot episodes Trans-U, complete with lousey core-containment (Serenity center-screen, Reaver fleet behind: Trans-U on left and down).

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DARKJESTER

Sunday, October 9, 2005 4:30 AM

1) The patch that Jayne finds under the shirt of the guard he clotheslines on Lilac (can you use 'clothesline' as a verb?) later shows up on his shirt in the Maidenhead bar. Guess he likes souvenirs.

2) Unfortunately, the CGI high-tech bow that Inara uses in the final battle does a disappearing act. Two seconds after we first see it, when she is in the background of the action, it is a regular target bow she is holding. A little later, she's holding the Battle Bow again. One of the very few "mistakes" I saw.

3) One other "mistake" - when Mal and Inara escape from the Operative at the Training House and get in her shuttle, Mal is carrying something in his hand, something about the size of a grenade. It's explained in the Visual Companion script, but the explanation is cut from the actual film.

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

BUBBLEOFEARTH

Sunday, October 9, 2005 4:48 AM

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Originally posted by joemo:
What is this comic you speak of and where do I go to buy a million copies?

I bought from Things From Another World (tfaw.com), Dark Horse's suggested dealer, and they had the appropriate price and all the covers. I think they were running out of the Captain, maybe, but they were great to me when I got all antsy about a delivery date. Imagine that. An antsy Browncoat. :)

ALSO, there was a thread about the wild animal handlers credit and where were the animals, and I went back today, and YES! there were black chickens in a cage for about .01 seconds in the quick, shaky shots as the reavers land at the beginning.

I noticed a lot more Blue Sun stuff than I noticed the first time through Firefly.

Jayne wears his shirt with the gun on it... is it Fighting Elves or Troublemaker? Wasn't that in the series too?

I also noticed this time (not really from the show, just something bittersweet) the way that Zoe, our resident TOUGH LADY, after piloting an impossible escape and confronting her captain, melts without any defenses into her short, funny protective husband's embrace. :(

JADEHAND

Sunday, October 9, 2005 4:51 AM

I just got back from my fourth viewing. Some of these have been mentioned.

Blue Sun logos: 1 on a crate as Mal walks into the hold the first time (end of the 4.5 minute "1er"). Almost imediately after: loading the mule, Kaylee on the ground working on the mule 2 crates in the background. and the glass in the dinning area. Missed the one on Mr. Universes' screen (Guess I'll have to go watch it again.

The camera hold on Wash after "no reason". (I really only noticed after reading it here. *sniff*)

My favourite catch (and I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned yet, but hell I only caught it on the 4th viewing): Mal crawls out of the er..crawlspace, and head towards the bridge to confront River. to his right: "Kaylee's Room" the sign.

I wish they had left some of the stuff from the VC script, like The Op finding info on screen about Inara, which leads him to show up there. and a better introduction of her there "teaching".

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QUICKSAND

Sunday, October 9, 2005 5:24 AM

I don't know what this "teaching" is of which you speak, but I have a video file of the Serenity clip they played at conventions like a year ago... I think there's a brief shot of that "teaching" thrown in. Cuz it sure wasn't in the movie.

Also, the comics were not written by Joss, they were written by Brett Matthews, who wrote the Firefly episode "Heart of Gold," which in my opinion is the worst episode of the series. I have, though, read the first 2 of the 3 comics... and they're pretty cool, I must admit. If that's what the next 3 episodes of the TV show were going to be like, Fox will truly never be forgiven.

XOXO

SHUAIJAN

Sunday, October 9, 2005 5:34 AM

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Originally posted by Skymutt:
Ok, here's one big thing I noticed that I might just be making up after the fact, I want your opinions.

It seems that Wash's death really had little point in the scheme of things. Sure, it added that hard twinge of drama for all the fans, but it did nothing in the way of plot or exposition. Here's what I noticed...

When the crew is outdoors on Miranda, just before the scene inside the crashed ship, they're coming to the realization that the whole population just lay down to die. One of the last things said about this is when Jayne says something to the effect of 'they all just died for no good reason'

As he says this, the camera pans to the right and focuses solely on Wash, only wash, and holds for a moment. Hmmm.. foreshadowing, or just my addlepated self finding meaning where ther is none? comments?

I agree with you on that...Wash's death was, IMHO, completely uncalled for. Some other foreshadowing that people were going to die was Zoe's dialog when they were robbing the security vault right before the Reaver attack. River points out the guy pulling out the gun, and Zoe says "Do you know what the definition of a hero is? A hero is someone who gets other people killed."

THECRAZYIVAN

Sunday, October 9, 2005 5:37 AM

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And apparently, when the crew are walking of the ship at Beaumonde, Jayne can be seen wearing his hat from The Message.

this is true, my friend who didnt know much about firefly/serenity other than what i said pointed it out. How? Shes the one who made mine :-P

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LIMINALOSITY

Sunday, October 9, 2005 6:13 AM

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Originally posted by Rakarr:
Not sure.... Although is it just me or does Simon look different in the movie? To me it looks like his hair is different. Perhaps darker. Also he looks more musculare in the movie. Also Book's hair just seemed different as well. Maybe it's just me....

Simon had a completely different haircut. So did Mal, actually. Both have longer hair than they did in the series, and both have more modern cuts instead of the distinctly Old West styled cuts they used to have. It looks better and it's honestly more believable. And I want Simon's haircut.

Book had cornrows and a fairly bushy beard, where in the series his hair was pulled back into a bun (the movie is an enourmous improvement here).

Oddly enough, the women looked pretty good in the series, and the movie improvements weren't really as dramatic.

Everybody was sporting a lot more hair product than they did on Firefly as well.

Some of you seem to know more about guns than the average human. It was an interesting tidbit that Hollywood uses real guns with bits from the hardware store and old cat turds hot melt glued onto them. I will get a bigger kick out of movie guns after reading your post.

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JOEMO

Sunday, October 9, 2005 6:44 AM

After my third viewing I was talking with some fellow browncoats and one said that he was surprised at Wash's death because Joss wasn't one to needlessly kill off characters. This got me thinking..... I cam to the realization that there are probabily a number of reasons. First Alan Tudyk has other projects, mainly a Broadway production they would have to fight for production time with.

STAKETHELURK

Sunday, October 9, 2005 7:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by joemo:
What is this comic you speak of and where do I go to buy a million copies?

I'd like to add to what others have mentioned that the comics may be hard to find by this point--but there's collection of them all (a trade paperback it's called) due out early next year (Jan or Feb). It's already up on Amazon for preorders, I think. Its got a beautiful cover.

PUREJOY

Sunday, October 9, 2005 8:36 AM

Something I noticed:
When Inara and Mal are talking, she makes sure to add that he'll be paid for coming to help. First thing I though of was their "strictly business relationship" from Heart of Gold.

I've got a question though... When the operative is looking at Mal's profile, does it say he was a Captain in the war? I though Badger called him Sargent in (I think it was) Serenity?

P1NKISPUNK

Sunday, October 9, 2005 10:27 AM

After the "Serenity" credit, the movie starts and ends with Mals cry of "what was that?"

"This mummy hand has ceased to exist! It is an ex-mummy hand!"

LYN

Sunday, October 9, 2005 10:36 AM

The dress Inara is wearing in her last scene with Mal, when he tells her that they will bring her back to civilisation now and she replies 'I don't know' - Am I imagining things or is that one of River's dresses - not from the movie but from the series?! It doesn't look like it's one of Inara's dresses at all (length, style, etc), and I'm pretty sure I've seen it before...

That Inara is wearing something of either River's or Kaylee's makes sense, since she doesn't have a lot of clothes on Serenity (apart from the mysterious forgotten box Mal mentions in the wave), but I'm just not sure where I've seen that dress before. Any ideas?

MER

Sunday, October 9, 2005 5:03 PM

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Originally posted by joemo:
Someone tried to say that the ship they are chased by in the beginning of the movie is the same one as the one from the end of the first episode. Thats definately wrong. The one from the episode was easily twice the size of Serenity herself. The one in the movie is barely bigger than the suped up mule.

Lol that would be me. To me, all the Reaver ships look a like....that sentence sounded all wrong....

BUBBLEOFEARTH

Sunday, October 9, 2005 8:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lyn:
The dress Inara is wearing in her last scene with Mal, when he tells her that they will bring her back to civilisation now and she replies 'I don't know' - Am I imagining things or is that one of River's dresses

Forgive me on this one, but I married an English professor, and it's rubbing off:

Mal told Inara she would see a new side of him if he went to war. She did.

At the end, I was uncomfortable with the exchange between Mal & Inara the first couple of times I saw it. I liked that she'd taken her makeup mask off, and was wearing something different from usual (hadn't thought of it being Kaylee's or River's) but I didn't understand why she was grinning and acting like a schoolgirl with a crush. An un"skilled" schoolgirl, even. Inara doesn't act like that, right?

But maybe Inara does. Maybe Inara took her whole mask of companion training off, and we got to see a glimpse of the real deep down sweet vulnerable Inara, before whatever horrible thing happened that made her have to protect herself from any real kind of love.

When I thought that, I just wanted to hug her. Wish these people existed. Guess most of us do, eh?

YAY Joss!

SPACEMANSPIFF

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:31 AM

Inara and Mal both throw each other off. Their training (him as a hard captain and fighter, her as a companion) goes right out the window when they are together. Love does that.

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

AVTOMATJ

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:30 AM

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Originally posted by Washburn:
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And Mal's rifle is really, really, really ugly.

Mal's Rifle is a heavily sci-fi modified M-16A2...I deal with that gun on a daily basis...I know the build of that gun.

I gotta agree with LONGWAYOFDRUMS on this one, it's a slightly sci-fi modded AR-18/180.

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Vera was a sci-fi modded ak-74 BTW....the gun used by Jayne in the Reaver fight? was a sci=fi modded m-249 SAW

Vera was a Saiga 12 shotgun (based on the Kalashnikov) that was first modified and used in the movie "Showtime" with Eddie Murphy. http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2100/2173.htm

The large rifle Jayne has in the Reaver fight scene is a AK-47 with a K-var AKU-94 Bullpup conversion kit ( http://www.k-var.com/product.asp?0=211&1=213&3=137 )and a huge water-jacket looking thing attached to the front.

INLOVEWITHMAL

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 5:05 AM

I believe that in an interview or article Joss said that Simon liet to everyone in the first episode about how he got River out because he wasn't sure if he could trust them all. Joss said that what happened in the movie was the way it really happened.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's right.

WASHBURN

Friday, October 21, 2005 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by AvtomatJ:

Quote:
Vera was a sci-fi modded ak-74 BTW....the gun used by Jayne in the Reaver fight? was a sci=fi modded m-249 SAW

Vera was a Saiga 12 shotgun (based on the Kalashnikov) that was first modified and used in the movie "Showtime" with Eddie Murphy. http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2100/2173.htm

The large rifle Jayne has in the Reaver fight scene is a AK-47 with a K-var AKU-94 Bullpup conversion kit ( http://www.k-var.com/product.asp?0=211&1=213&3=137 )and a huge water-jacket looking thing attached to the front.

Yer right on the Reaver fight gun...I saw the BDM now for the 6th time and really payed attention to the gun and I smacked my own forehead for not realizing it sooner.

MER

Monday, November 7, 2005 11:37 PM

I don't think anybody mentioned one of the first few scenes. Mal draws out his gun to the camera which the camera work oddly looks like one of Firefly's eps. (This is just before/after River joins the crew in the cargobay questioning Mal's part)

Explaination from the series. Mal draws out his gun, Inara comes in and scares him. He makes a squeal and tries to play it off as something you say when you draw out your gun. Camera is then a closeup s hot of Mal drawing out his gun saying "hoo ha"

Everytime I see this part in the film, I keep thinking, "hoo haa" drives me bonkers it does.

STEVE580

Tuesday, November 8, 2005 12:43 AM

About Wash on Miranda - was he supposed to say something else, or did he just mess up his line? Because the camera stops on him, and then it switches to another shot, and he says his "let's find the beacon" line. If you watch it again, you'll see what I mean. It seems like something was changed there.

Remarkably minor, I know; I was just curious if something was removed from the script.

I noticed the connection between Jayne's line (about all the people being dead for no reason) and Wash my fifth viewing - the camera is acually on Wash when Jayne says it!

-Steve

EISVIXEN

Tuesday, November 8, 2005 1:05 AM

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Originally posted by SpacemanSpiff:

Also, in the scene with Jayne and Kaylee cleaning up the cargo hold, Kaylee is figeting with a catalyser, the infamous part from Out of Gas. And she had that knowing smile on her face!

OK, what else?

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

That ever so important engine part also showed up in the junk yard on Ariel where Wash was playing with it then threw it away. It hit the helicopter thingy... Check it out it's kind of funny since Kaylee didn't seem to notice and was scrounging around for spare parts. I can't remember if Ariel was before Out of Gas or not.. if so then oooo foreshadowing or some such dramatical thingy.

LILIANNA

Tuesday, November 8, 2005 1:59 AM

Did anyone realize what Zoe said to Wash at the end of "Heart of Gold?" How she was looking forward to having his babies? It just makes your heart hurt.

I figured that was why the way Simone really got River out was as in the movie due to him not trusting the crew yet.

As for the tossing of the part.. it just reminds me what Mal said in Out of Gas... It's not important until you don't have one.

That's all I can think of right now.

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ALAND

Tuesday, November 8, 2005 2:45 AM

Technically, Simon didn't get River "out". He got her into an airshaft. It was the people he funded (the underground movement) who came in a ship, lowered the platform, and got them out.

ONETRANSMISSION

Tuesday, November 8, 2005 3:18 AM

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Originally posted by purejoy:

I've got a question though... When the operative is looking at Mal's profile, does it say he was a Captain in the war? I though Badger called him Sargent in (I think it was) Serenity?

you're right! i guess that's another goof to add to the list. he was a sergeant in the war, not a captain.

the profile the operative was looking at definitely said he was a captain in the independent army. tsk tsk!

SERAPHSERPENT

Tuesday, November 8, 2005 3:27 AM

Everytime I watch our BDM I can't help but wonder where that necklace of Jayne's came from. He doesn't wear it in the movie and for some reason it strikes me as a not entirely Jayne thing.

FOLLOWMAL

Tuesday, November 8, 2005 3:38 AM

I noticed Mal flipping the three switches ( I loved that!) and also Zoe's gun is the same.

I never noticed Vera, I'll try to watch for it, if I get to see it this Thursday. I hope, I hope!

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CAUSAL

Tuesday, November 8, 2005 4:10 AM

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Originally posted by SpacemanSpiff:
Also, in the scene with Jayne and Kaylee cleaning up the cargo hold, Kaylee is figeting with a catalyser, the infamous part from Out of Gas. And she had that knowing smile on her face!

It ain't a cataylzer. Least ways, not the same type of catalyzer goes in Serenity's engine. Just got through the series again, and I payed particular attention to the look of the catalyzer--it isn't the same as the thing Kaylee is holding in the BDM. I also checked the script--not even mentioned that she's holding anything, so it wasn't intentional (as far as the writing goes). It ain't no catalyzer. Just something looks like one. I'd like to see side-by-side comparisons (cause I know there are certain people on this board with the BDM already), just to clear this up.

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ROCKETJOCK

Tuesday, November 8, 2005 5:44 AM

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Originally posted by onetransmission:
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Originally posted by purejoy:

I've got a question though... When the operative is looking at Mal's profile, does it say he was a Captain in the war? I though Badger called him Sargent in (I think it was) Serenity?

you're right! i guess that's another goof to add to the list. he was a sergeant in the war, not a captain.

the profile the operative was looking at definitely said he was a captain in the independent army. tsk tsk!

This question's popped up before; I've got a theory, based on the same data profile listing Mal having received a Medal of Valor for the Battle of Serenity.

We have to ask, if the Battle of Serenity Valley was the last of the war, then when was that medal issued?

My guess is that it was during the two weeks of negotiation that followed the Alliance victory.

Chances are, the major part of that negotiation was on the issue of amnesty for former Browncoats -- (C/R the American Civil War amnesty)-- and that as a sop to Independent pride the Browncoat military was allowed to muster its own out with all due honors, including field promotions. And Mal had been acting as an officer in the field for months by that point.

Given that Mal still considers the delay to be a betrayal, there were probably some sweetheart deals cut for the former Independent High Brass. Getting a commission that way was probably the bitterest ashes in his mouth.

Losing the war broke Mal's heart. Being sold out by his own side for some political advantage is what killed his faith.

"If you can't do something smart, do something right." -- Shepherd Deria Book

KELLAINA

Tuesday, November 8, 2005 5:46 AM

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Originally posted by bubbleofearth:
Quote:
Originally posted by lyn:
The dress Inara is wearing in her last scene with Mal, when he tells her that they will bring her back to civilisation now and she replies 'I don't know' - Am I imagining things or is that one of River's dresses

At the end, I was uncomfortable with the exchange between Mal & Inara the first couple of times I saw it. I liked that she'd taken her makeup mask off, and was wearing something different from usual (hadn't thought of it being Kaylee's or River's) but I didn't understand why she was grinning and acting like a schoolgirl with a crush. An un"skilled" schoolgirl, even. Inara doesn't act like that, right?

But maybe Inara does. Maybe Inara took her whole mask of companion training off, and we got to see a glimpse of the real deep down sweet vulnerable Inara, before whatever horrible thing happened that made her have to protect herself from any real kind of love.

When I thought that, I just wanted to hug her. Wish these people existed. Guess most of us do, eh?

YAY Joss!

Inara's appearance at the end struck me too - but it didn't remind me of River or Kaylee, it reminded me of Nandi (from Heart of Gold), especially the dress.

And I love your interpretation of that scene! Maybe that was the first time we saw the 'real' Inara...

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Tuesday, November 8, 2005 10:32 AM

Ok most of the things I'd noticed have all been spotted and then some so....

....I have no more, but I did notice :

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At Mr Universe' pad, on one of the screens Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe is playing. The Larry 'Buster' Crab version. There is a shot of 'Ming the Merciless' on his throne.

Anyone else notice that? I only mention it because to me:

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Simon's outfit at the beginning when he rescues River, is very similar in style to the costumes in that show back in the 30's. With the high colars and studded tops

Could just be me but I thought there was a nod to that classic serial of the 30's.

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AKUKODOGO

Tuesday, November 8, 2005 11:36 AM

The scene with Inara at the end when she is without her companion makeup - this was the first time i remember seeing her feet. Her dress is just short enough that her 'bare' feet are in shot.
In all of the series her dresses always came to the floor and were very elegant. At the end of the bdm when talking to Mal she looked just like a schoolgirl, hair out, fresh face and feet without shoes.
Will have to wait until the dvd to check this out again.

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