OK and now for the 10 WORST movies...

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Ok it is late at night and there is NOTHING on the puppet theater.. so.. we covered our ten favorite movies... (as if we could REALLY limit it to ten) so how about the ten worst...

as a civic duty... what ten films should your fellow browncoats avoid.. (as in save those precious moments of their life)?





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Just one for me:

I HATE HATE HATE Forrest Gump with a deep and abiding loathing that makes me want to projectile vomit when it's mentioned ...

I once went on a date which was going fairly well till we got to films. I said; "there's one film I really hate...” etc ...

He paused, looked down at his plate, sighed and said in a tiny voice; "that's my favourite film, but anyway ..."

I'm sure you can imagine the sudden and inevitable downward spiral of an evening that ensued...


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I don't actively seek out bad movies, but sometimes you just are in the wrong place at the wrong time. And so, in no particular order.



Pinocchio (Roberto Benigni version) - What a turd of a movie. I wanted to punch myself in the eye after watching it (this is actually the movie I consider the worst EVER).

Star Wars (All three new ones) - After watching these, I wanted to punch George Lucas in the eye. The only redeeming qualities are Darth Maul, Yoda and light sabers.

You got served - I did get served . . . by watching this vomit inducing crapfest.

Forces of Nature - I hate Ben Affleck soooo much.

Like Mike - Stupid stupid stupid why did I watch this, WHY!!!

Battlefield Earth - After the movie I actually apologised to my friend for making him see it with me. What the hell was this movie supposed to be anyway?

Batman and Robin (Clooney and Kilmer both sucked) - Gay. Super gay.

Blair Witch Project - Um . . . not scary, nor was it entertaining. Damn independent films.

Grease 2 - It's as if they took what made the original Grease good and threw it out and made the lamest movie they could think of.

Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions - I fully understand that they wanted to take our money, but come on, put a little effort into your work people.

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I Spit On Your Grave - about as much fun as a bucket of spit. Seriously.

Lost And Delirious - not even a lesbian sex scene could make up for the crud-tastically atrocious dialogue.

The Ewok Adventure/Ewoks: The Battle For Endor - trust me, Lucas' prequels are artistic masterpieces compared to these two clunkers.

Joe Dirt - Actually, anything with David Spade in it. Now I know what brain damage is like.

Dumb And Dumberer - who'd'a thunk it... a movie even stupider than Dumb And Dumber.

Dumb And Dumber - One way to toss away a five buck rental fee.

Batman And Robin/Batman Forever - No wonder DC Comics movies sucked for so long. Though anytime I rag on Kilmer, I just pop in Heat and watch him kick some ass.

Robocop... all of them - they just plain sucked.

Romeo and Juliet - actually, every Leo DiCaprio movie prior to Gangs of New York and excluding What's Eating Gilbert Grape.

Every Steven Seagal movie - god, I just want to see this guy get his tail kicked in. Only saving grace of Executive Decision was the fact that his character bit it.


Eh, there's my ten even with a little... cheating. And I have so many more candidates.

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Hey Chindi

Ok what follows is in no particular order, just the first that come to mind. So:

1Crash (David Cronenberg) I just cannot stand films that use taboo subjects and pretend to be intelectual about them!!!! Like watching a man's perversion twenty foot high on the screen.

2DamageThat thing with Jeremy Irons... Over dramatic flim-flam. Septic cinema!!!!

3The Fifth Element Too much like a boy's wet dream!!! Terrible!!!!

4Van Helsing Utter rubbish!

5A Clockwork Orange... Not a fan of this. Easy shock tactics cinema.

6The Idiots Simplistic sensationalist rubbsih, again using taboo subjects!!! Weak.

7Gladiator Just did nothing for me. Really pedestrian.

8Requiem for a dream Paint by numbers style melodrama. Utterly pointless!!!!!

9DraculaThe Coppola one. Dreadful.

10Legends of the Fall I think that's what it was called with Brad Pitt and Anthony Hopkins!!! What RuuuuuuuBBBish!!!!!

Ok I'm sure I have more that I consider the worse, but these jumped out at me as I wrote so I guess that signifies something.

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Originally posted by Zoot:
Just one for me:

I HATE HATE HATE Forrest Gump with a deep and abiding loathing that makes me want to projectile vomit when it's mentioned ...

I once went on a date which was going fairly well till we got to films. I said; "there's one film I really hate...” etc ...

He paused, looked down at his plate, sighed and said in a tiny voice; "that's my favourite film, but anyway ..."

I'm sure you can imagine the sudden and inevitable downward spiral of an evening that ensued...


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Oh Zoot!!! You poor thing. Could you not get past your differences over the film? Sometimes having things you feel opposite about can work quite well.

My girlfriend loves musicals, indescriminatley, and I loath them!!! She hates Sci-fi and I love Sci-fi, well some anyway, but point is it actually makes life more interesting. She tries to convince me to watch musicals, and I try to convince her to watch Sci-fi... well Serenity actually, but she's kinda stubborn, but it's all good natured fun trying to convince each other...

Anyway just thought that was interesting how you found your direct cineamtic opposite.

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The Somnambulist,

I normally don't mind differences... I mean I'm not an avid sci-fi viewer and I hate sci-fi or indeed fantasy books (Tolkien excluded) … I’m not great on horror movies and it takes a lot to make me watch something with subtitles (although just watched Y Tu Mama Tambien – and that makes even subtitles steamy!) but there are just some things I can’t stomach – and one is liking Forrest Gump, the other is being a labour or conservative mp – hell, let’s face it, just an MP is bad enough and agreeing with the government about anything is likely to put me off (apparently I’m a bit picky) ….

I too have a serious problem with musicals – I like anything prior to about 1960 but after that – nah! Was forced to go see Phantom of the Opera last year and ended up making a nasty place on my arm due to the stress and general horror caused!!

I guess I don’t have a problem except when the differences indicate underlying moral divergence (I really think to like Forrest Gump is a mental as well as moral aberration) … It would drive me mad however if my partner wouldn’t see Serenity – After all, demographically it’s done better amongst women … It would rile me horribly that she was missing out on witty dialogue etc. which she will surely love!!!


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1. The Lord of the Rings
2. The Lord of the Rings
3. The Lord of the Rings
4. The Lord of.... do I really have to do this all the way to ten? You get it.

Without a doubt, the most overrated movies of all time. Convoluted, indecipherable, so-called script. Filled with great actors that never got the chance to act (with the possible exception of a few lines by Astin and Wood - that's out of 3 entire movies mind you). Good visuals is the only nice thing it's possible to say about it.

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Highlander 2
Steel Magnolias
Matrix Revolutions
American Hot Wax
Forbidden Zone
28 Days Later
Reign of Fire (it had so much potential...)
Star Wars I
Star Wars II
Star Wars III (Lucas made my Sith-Lord cry!)

Chrisisall

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1. The Lord of the Rings
2. The Lord of the Rings
3. The Lord of the Rings
4. The Lord of.... do I really have to do this all the way to ten? You get it.

Without a doubt, the most overrated movies of all time. Convoluted, indecipherable, so-called script. Filled with great actors that never got the chance to act (with the possible exception of a few lines by Astin and Wood - that's out of 3 entire movies mind you). Good visuals is the only nice thing it's possible to say about it.

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I totally agree - and get nothing but loadsa flack from friends, but basically these films lacked any soul.

Tiger you and me we stand alone.

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Other than technically looking very nice, the LOTR movies left me rather cold. I've seen each one once, I really don't know if I'll ever invest the time to do so again.
Legend was a better fantasy film, IMHO.

Put your dark arms about me Chrisisall

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Anything starring Sylvester Stallone.

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it takes a lot to make me watch something with subtitles (although just watched Y Tu Mama Tambien – and that makes even subtitles steamy!)

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Oh if you don't like subs you're missing out on some great films!!!! Give 'em a chance!!!

However I didn't get on with that film Y Tu Mama Tambien just kinda rubbed me up the wrong way.

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(apparently I’m a bit picky) ….

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Nothing wrong with that Zoot. Just you have your criteria right?

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I too have a serious problem with musicals – I like anything prior to about 1960 but after that – nah!

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There's only two good musicals in the world. "Singing in the Rain" and "The Blues Brothers"

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I guess I don’t have a problem except when the differences indicate underlying moral divergence (I really think to like Forrest Gump is a mental as well as moral aberration)

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Hey I guess we've all got our ways, but for me personally I can't take films that seriously. I understand what your saying about a moral stand point, but then unless you maybe engage with some of these personalities, they will always remain closed off and stunted. Perhaps gettiing through to some people and letting them see the light, or 'your' light in this case, could maybe be beneficial. I dunno I'm only thinking out loud.

I don't like that film either - but I think if I were to take a pollitical stand point on a number of films, I probably couldn't justify watching and/or enjoying them either... Which may ultimately lead to some great friendships collapsing under the strain.....

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It would drive me mad however if my partner wouldn’t see Serenity

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Well thing is I'm kinda confident I'll get her around to it. She'll cave and when she does it'll be a wonderful day. Because yeah she'll see how great Serenity, Firefly, Angel and Buffy are, and when those days come we'll get to enjoy them together. Hence the benefits on persisting with people who perhaps don't initially see your point of view, and vice versa... Sometimes you can get more satisfaction out of a person if it's taken a little effort... Sometimes.

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that's very upbeat, S, let us know what she thinks when she's finally brow-beaten into watching them ...

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I too have a serious problem with musicals –

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For me, singing + cartoons=

Now Titan AE and Lilo and Stitch I got no issues with.

Not a West Side Story fan Chrisisall

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WHat about the Animaniacs?? - thee's singing in that and yet it's a work of genius ...

I mean, such lyrics:
Pinky: Gee Brain, what do you want to do tonight?
Brain: Same thing we do every night Pinky, TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!

They're Pinky and The Brain
Yes Pinky and The Brain
One is a genius, the other's insane
They're laboratory mice, their genes have been spliced
They're dinky, they're Pinky and The Brain Brain Brain Brain Brain

Before each night is done, their plan will be unfurled
By the dawning of the sun they'll take over the world
They're Pinky and The Brain
Yes Pinky and The Brain
The Twilight Campaign is easy to explain
They'll prove they're mousy worth, and overthrow the earth
They're dinky, they're Pinky and The Brain Brain Brain Brain Brain Brain Brain Brain Narf!


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1. U-Turn with Sean Penn.
2.The Longest Yard* remake
3. Little Nikki*
4. Joe Dirt
5. Unfaithful with Richard Gere
6. The Hours with Nicole Kidman. This is the one where she puts on a fake nose and tries to be Virgina Woolf. Had I directed this, it would have been called "The Minutes" because I would have killed her myself in the first 2 minutes of the movie.
7. Johnson Family Vacation
8. Santa Claus Conquers the Martians. SO SO Bad!!! (But it did make for a great Mystery Science Theater episode)
9. Cabin Fever
10. Anaconda (I was rooting for the snake)

While 2 Adam Sandler movies did make my list of all time worst, Happy Gilmore is one of my fav's.

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Pinky and the Brain don't count as normal cartoons.

Chrisisall right when the singin's funny

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Other than technically looking very nice, the LOTR movies left me rather cold. I've seen each one once, I really don't know if I'll ever invest the time to do so again.
Legend was a better fantasy film, IMHO.

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Wow, I really expected to be slammed by a miilion elf lovers, instead I get two people agreeing with me. Shocker!

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Wow...you folks have some crappy taste in movies. WORST movies is very subjective, so I can understand the differences in "opinion", but thankfully most of you aren't movie critics.

Here are the top 10 movies that disappointed me the most:

1. Scary Movie: At first it's somewhat funny, but then it's just SO over-the-top that it ceases to be funny. In other words, too much shock value = not shocking.

2. Cats and Dogs: Without a doubt the WORST computer animation on a big screen film ever. Jeff Goldblum's worst film and that is saying something!

3. The Minion: This Dolph Lundgren film is even bad for a B-movie. The only movie I have EVER turned off half way through! SUCK SUCK SUCK.

4. Lost Highway: I was so psyched to see this film. Had wanted to see it for years actually. And all I get is David Lynch psucho-babble with NO ENDING. Someone forgot to teach David about conclusions in his English classes.

5. Star Wars Episode I: II and III were tolerable (III was almost on the level with the original trilogy), but I still can't somach episode I...and I've tried. The kid that plays Annakin was just awful. Jar Jar was...well no comment needed. And DARTH MAUL! WHY TAKE ONE OF THE COOLEST VILLAINS EVER AND GIVE HIM NO F'ING SCREEN TIME. Nice one Lucas!!!

6. Blind Fury. I remember really liking this movie when I was twelve. Put it in for my wife and made her watch it...she immediately lost all faith in my film-taste. Total horrible crap-plot B-movie. But an awesome concept.

7. Flash Gordon. I know I may hurt some folks with this one, but I remember it being so cool as a kid! Watching it as an adult was a big let-down. I hate movies with sport-stars where they incorporate their sport into the movie. This includes professional wrestling.

8. Wing Commander: Went to see this for the Episode I preview...see above and wished I had left after word. Power Ranger bad-guys...crappy acting...and nowhere NEAR a military environment.

9. Nightmare on Elmstreet: Another movie that USED to be good. Now, the special effects are so bad it's actually funny to watch.

10. Daredevil: Kevin Smith's run on the new series was awesome! So why not have him direct? Though we still would have ended up with Affleck (btw Changing Lanes his a good Affleck movie). The gasoline DD in the subway was what KILLED it for me. Crap compared to some of the comic storylines.

There you have it...

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Titanic- Easy to knock because of its success but go back and have a look at how bad it really is

Battlefield Earth- See a few of you have it in, absolute must for this list I think

All the Morcambe & Wise movies

The Are you being served movie

Batman & Robin with George Clooney- He's provided more entertainment beating up producers in British nightclubs than this

Jaws with Michael Caine (3?). He didn't even watch it himself

Zardoz- Although massivly entertaining. Never seen it? Rush out and find it for James Bond as you have never seen him before

40 Day and 40 Nights- Josh Hartnett. Usualy a sign of quality I know

Bugsy- Worked for Bonnie in Clyde for half the time

Alexander- Only my favorite director could have the genius to make something so bad

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Some of your worst are my favourites, but, to quote Emperor Joseph II, "Well, there you have it!". One may reasonally evaluate films by both sundry technical criteria and by one's own "entertainment" score. By my own personal "entertainment value" meter, some of my faves include(not in any particular order):

(1) Gladiator
(2) Deep Blue Sea
(3) The Egyptian
(4) Crash
(5) The Gift
(6) Star Wars V - Empire Strikes Back
(7) A Christmas Carol (Alastair Sim)
(8) Pearl Harbor (Ben Affleck, etc.)
(9) Khartoum
(10) The Passion
(11) Love! Valour! Compassion!
(12) Kill Bill
(13) Aliens
(14) Pitch Black
(15) The Last Samurai
(16) Kingdom of Heaven
(17) Amadeus
(18) Finding Nemo
(19) Ghost in the Shell (anime - both parts)
(20) The Messenger (Joan of Arc)
(21) Ninja Scroll (anime)

I do watch these films repeatedly and always find merit in so many aspects of their production - it's a varied list, and I see lots of entertainment and, in some cases erudition, great talent in each of these films.



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In no order:

1)Constantine- Didn't get any of it, I think it was just another 'cool effects' film. And they weren't amazing.

2)Soul Survivors- Sorry Eliza but this just plain sucked.

3)Scary Movie- Didn't laugh once.

4)Star Wars I- I thought II and III were enjoyable enough, but this was painful.

5)Van helsing- Almost put me off vampires. The worst Dracula film I've seen.

6)Robocop 2- I like 1 & 3, the jetpack is cool! But this one was a mess.

7)Hollowman- Just because

8)Last Action Hero- Had Arnie in it as himself *shudder*

9)Universal Soldier 2- Another case of first one being decent and the sequel being incredibly bad.

10)Scary Movie 2- Havent seen it but I cant think of any more

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To those who said Lord of the Rings.

Are you seriously telling me that you can't think of 10 movies worse than the LOTR movies? None?

I think that you are hating LOTR simply because it's so popular and are trying to set yourself apart and be "cool" by not liking it. The LOTR movies cannot possibly be in the 10 WORST movies you've ever seen. Unless you've only seen a small handful of movies in your lifetime.

If you honestly dislike the movies, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But you also can't honestly say that they're the WORST movies. If anything, you have to appreciate all the work and effort that went into them.

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Originally posted by Zoot:
Just one for me:

I HATE HATE HATE Forrest Gump with a deep and abiding loathing that makes me want to projectile vomit when it's mentioned ...

I once went on a date which was going fairly well till we got to films. I said; "there's one film I really hate...” etc ...

He paused, looked down at his plate, sighed and said in a tiny voice; "that's my favourite film, but anyway ..."

I'm sure you can imagine the sudden and inevitable downward spiral of an evening that ensued...


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That's my favourite movie too. I love it to bits... so keep away from me

and as for musicals... well I watched Phantom of the Opera a few weeks ago and I absolutely loved it. I thought I would cos I liked the songs in it, but I loved it even more than I thought I would

Other great musicals are Singin' in the Rain, West Side Story and Once More With Feeling (The Buffy Musical Episode)

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Originally posted by yorg:
To those who said Lord of the Rings.

Are you seriously telling me that you can't think of 10 movies worse than the LOTR movies? None?

I think that you are hating LOTR simply because it's so popular and are trying to set yourself apart and be "cool" by not liking it.

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Amen to that.

here's my list of the worst:

Battlefield Earth (Have a tasty rat!)
Catwoman (Or Cat-Stripper, as I call it)
The Crow 3&4 (4 especially dissapointed me, since it starred David Boreanaz as the villain, and was directed by the guy who made Six String Samurai, a film I included in my list of overlooked gems)
Resident Evil: Apocalypse (Didn't love the first one either, but this one was an atrocity.)
Soldier (ugh... good cast, good premise, awfull movie)
Hudson Hawk (One of my best friend's favorites, and always a topic of debate between us)
Batman and Robin (Made my eyes bleed)
Highlander 2 (Well shot, and that's about all the good I have to say for it)

And just to throw in on the topic of Gump, I didn't hateit, but I didn't love it (though I have to admit I cried when he's at Jenny's grave). But I still think it's a crime that Gump beat The Shawshank Redemption for best picture. Shawshank is one of my all-time favorites.



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Are you seriously telling me that you can't think of 10 movies worse than the LOTR movies?

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For my part, I just think they're over-rated, and kind of too slick for their own good (in a cgi-kind of way).
But not bad.

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The Ring with SMG. Fortunately there can be only one.

Speaking of which, there was a Highlander movie I walked out on not that long ago.

Now, on to whole catagories! Why stop at single attrocities?

Anything with Jean Claude Van Damme.

LOTR. Looked real purdy, sucked real real bad. What a waste, Peter Jackson, you really could have, but you really didn't.

Anything with the possibility of a fight scene involving Yoda, or anyone (except Chris) speaking that gobbeldygook Jar Jar language. Should be shot. On sight. From a cannon. Into a volcano. Wearing chainmail from LOTR.

Anything by way of Broadway from the past 20 years. I don't condem the genre, but the current crop of writers (that's right, I meant all living writers of musicals) are frighteningly terrible and appalingly self-congratulatory, and some of them even have souvenier gloves from the queen. Crikey!

Romantic Comedy. When have I ever seen a good one? I don't think so, unless you count Kevin Smith, and that's stretching the genre into another dimension. OK, I ammend that to romantic comedy produced after 1967, because there is a stack of old ones I really like, but I think Guess Who's Coming to Dinner killed the genre.

Jason. Movies.

Vin Deisel approaches Jean Claude and Steven Segal in terms of the purity of the awful.


YORG! I think it's best to avoid any encounter with Robert Benigni. Especially when he's allowed to speak.

UNREG! A chorus line of barf, thank you so much.

SENT! Ooooh, Lost Highway, bad very bad.

XXlll! I see your Zardoz and offer you Plan 9

Thanks to viral marketing...SERENITY: reopening soon in a theater near you.
Shiny Trees! Yavanna made Shiny Trees!

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Hudson Hawk (One of my best friend's favorites, and always a topic of debate between us)

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Oh would you like to swing on a star;
carry moonbeams home in a jar,
and be better off than you are,
or would you rather be a ....?

Mario Brothers-related Chrisisall

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There's only two good musicals in the world. "Singing in the Rain" and "The Blues Brothers"

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And, of course, "Once More With Feeling"!!




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Originally posted by liminalosity:
The Ring with SMG. Fortunately there can be only one.

Speaking of which, there was a Highlander movie I walked out on not that long ago.

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I assume you mean The Grudge? And don't be so sure... a sequel is in the planning stage.

And that must have been Highlander: Endgame you walked out of. I'm a huge Highlander fan, and I was tempted to leave. Hell, even the director hated that one.

I have to disagree on the LOTR movies, though. Loved 'em all. Even better in their longer cuts.

And in my opinion, the best musical ever was South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut.

"Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."

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The Ring with SMG. Fortunately there can be only one.

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I think you mean The Grudge

The Ring remake was great IMO... the Grudge was merely a collection of scary set pieces and nothing more. Yes it had its freaky moments, but it was pretty hollow

As for romantic comedies, I know they're predictible and the ones that arent are usually classed as more drama than comedy, but that being said I still do enjoy a fair few.

My favourite is While You Were Sleeping - both romantic and really funny. Same goes with How to lose a guy in 10 days

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I will actually post my own "worst" list instead of nitpicking others... eventually

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Underworld - I already hate vampire movies, but this one just freakin' took the cake. Just awful in every way imaginable. Boring, too dark to see anything, drab, and completely, horribly fake.

Shark Tale - An abomination among CG films.

The Nightmare Before Christmas - I might take a lot of flak for this, but that film bugs me to death. Just so annoying.

Fahrenheit 9/11 - Never mind the politics of the film. It's just boring as Hell. If you're going to make a documentary, at least try to make it interesting.

Wedding Crashers - Was funny for about 15 minutes. Then it wasn't for an hour and 45 minutes. WAS. NOT. FUNNY.

Fight Club - I can't say much else except that I seriously hate Fight Club. The first rule of Fight Club should be "Don't watch Fight Club"

Great. Now I'm angry. Thanks, guys,

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I assume you mean The Grudge? And don't be so sure... a sequel is in the planning stage.

And that must have been Highlander: Endgame you walked out of. I'm a huge Highlander fan, and I was tempted to leave. Hell, even the director hated that one.

And in my opinion, the best musical ever was South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut.

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More...wait a minute, did I write 'The Ring' with SMG? Yes, absolutely, I meant 'The Grudge'. How can anyone question there will be more FF if there will be more of this? Yikes!

Yes, Endgame. Whaaaaa, so bad.

Bigger! Longer! Sex with Satan and Saddam! I didn't count that as a musical, yup, I own it. I always try to keep on hand plenty of anything that makes me laugh till tears happen.
I meant the garbage that comes to us by way of Broadway...the kind with titles theatrically shortened to one word...Cats, Chorusline, Lion King (wait for it), Phantom, Chicago, Les Mis...not movies (or Buffy eps) that have people (or drawings) singing in them.

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And all the monkeys aren't in the zoo
everyday you see quite a few
so you see it's all up to you,
you could be better than you are
you could be swinging on a star

Chrisall started it..

Oh and throw in as bad movies:

Envy,
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind,
Starship Troopers 2,
Sideways,
Sin City..

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Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind

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Really. I loved that one. My favorite Jim Carrey movie.

As a matter of fact, I forgot to add that to my list of movies people should see but aren't.

Thanks for reminding me.

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There are very few films that I think have no redeeming features, taking into account their intended audience and purpose. Having said that, here are some I think you should avoid at all costs.

Punch Drunk Love : Hands down the worst movie I have ever had the misfortune to sit through. Billed as an Art House Adam Sandler movie. No. Bad production values and removing any semblance of comedy (not that I find him funny anyway) does not an art house movie make. Only Phillip Seymour Hoffman comes out with a semblance of credit.

Batman and Robin : Simply awful. Although I felt bad, bacause Clooney was potentially a very good Batman and Bruce Wayne if it wasn't for the wretched script.

Portrait of a Lady : Wretched Jane Campion movie. Started looking at my watch 10 minutes in and checked it every five minutes thereafter.

The Piano : The absolutely shockingly bad Scottish accent from Anna Paquin aside (and OK, she was only 9), the movie was just dull, dull, dull.

Scooby-Doo : Just awful. And sacreligious! The monsters ARE NOT REAL!!!! Shaggy was quite good though, and making Scrappy-Doo the villain was quite a funny concept. I'm sure the sequel is worse.

Wing Commander : Great games. Appalling movie. Boring and soulless.

There are plenty of overrated movies that I wouldn't necessarily say are bad, LOTR : Return of the King is not as good as people say, but I still like it. The other two are, I think largely better films. The extended editions are just excellent.

Spinal Tap was ehhh. Fine, but not the comic masterpiece everyone told me.

Gone With the Wind : Just don't get it. Long and dull. Son't care what happens to the characters, so I stopped watching at the midway point.

Sure I could think of others if I bothered.

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Romeo and Juliet - actually, every Leo DiCaprio movie prior to Gangs of New York and excluding What's Eating Gilbert Grape.

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Gotta agree with that with the exception of The Aviator, which I'd avoided specifically because DiCaprio was in it. Good movie.

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I loved Forrest Gump. Nuff said on that.
Van Helsing was pure dog vomit.
Have to agree with the person who posted ANY Steven Seagal movie.
Star Wars 1 and 2 bit. Haven't bothered seeing 3 yet and probably won't.
Having been a Tolkien fan for years I was dubious but then once I saw the films was impressed that an epic trilogy that detailed could be brought to the screen and still have merit. I enjoyed all 3 segments.
I saw Battlefield Earth mentioned twice already in this thread and have to agree on that. A movie made from a book written by the father of Scientology and starring a famous scientologist probably only appeals to fellow scientologist or people with similar mental illnesses and others that actually like REALLY BAD SCI-FI.
I'm just relieved that I haven't seen my all time favorite movie mentioned in this thread, Casablanca although I'm sure somebody will probably add it now that I've admitted it's my fav. Either version of Dune. Having read the book long before there was a movie I was sooo disappointed in the first one and the second version only reinforced my disappointment. Kyle Maclachlan is one of the worst actors I've ever seen but it seems the whole cast was competing with him for the position of lamest acting job.
One last addition for worst movies, anything starring Molly Ringwald. Worst SCI FI ever? Spacehunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone starring Peter Strauss and Molly Ringwald.


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Worst SCI FI ever? Spacehunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone starring Peter Strauss and Molly Ringwald.

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Boy, is this my favorite question and I wouldn't be able to stop with 10. However, I'll keep it to films I've seen recently.

The Ninth Gate -- I hate movies that have a cheat ending. This one was really good until the end and then all I could say was "What?!!" Two days later I was still saying "What?!!" Even Jonny Depp couldn't change my mind on this one.

Ghost World -- Another cheat end without the rest of the movie being good.

The Upside Of Anger -- Billed as a comedy. Ha! There, that was more laughing than I did for the entire film.

Lost in Translation -- Not funny, or even interesting. Sorry. Maybe it's because I lived in Japan and know there was more they could have done with the culture differences. Or, more likely, it was just Bill Murray...again.

Kill Bill -- Pretty much killing any urge to watch anything by Quentin Tarantino again.

Anchorman

Bewitched -- Hmm, maybe it's just Will Ferrell I don't like?

Melinda & Melinda -- Not even Chiwetel Ejiofor could save this one.

Mickey -- Harry Connick on the run from the IRS keeps his ace-pitcher son in little league when he moves (duh, not keeping a low profile). Picked it up because there was nothing else out. I couldn't even finish this one, which is really saying something.

Longest Yard -- the new one.

My Best Friend's Wedding -- Okay, I've not seen that one since it was first released, but that's probably my #1 worst ever movie pick.

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I saw Battlefield Earth mentioned twice already in this thread and have to agree on that. A movie made from a book written by the father of Scientology and starring a famous scientologist probably only appeals to fellow scientologist or people with similar mental illnesses and others that actually like REALLY BAD SCI-FI.

Casablanca although I'm sure somebody will probably add it now that I've admitted it's my fav.

Either version of Dune.

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Bwahh hhhaaaa haa, do you have a Battlefield Earth puppet show as well? Or BE performance art piece?

There must be someone somewhere who doesn't like Casablanca, but hopefully they won't show up here.

The first Dune? I thought if I had to hear "Dune. Arakis. Desert Planet" one more time I would go nuts. And that was only 4 minutes into the movie. Maybe that's what's wrong with me now. Hey, that would explain a lot.....anyway, I don't know how a movie manages to have the exposition exceeding the sum of the parts, but Dune somehow managed.

The second Dune? I liked the worms much better, and wasted a lot of time to find out that much.

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I was in the middle of posting my message when I accidentally closed it. Talk about infuriating!

So to save me from writing out the whole thing again, here is a brief list of some of my biggest dislikes/disappointments (hate is such a strong word)

Batman and Robin - how could this not be mentioned?

Sin City - I know a lot like it but, visuals aside, for me this was nothing more than a movie catering to the lowest denominator, mindless sadistic violence. What are we, cavemen? I'm seriously questioning the mind of Frank Miller right now

Creep - I was expecting a simple movie with some shocks, I got another sickly violent movie which should be enough proof that those responsible for the movie need help

Elektra - Quite simply, disappointing

Underworld - slick and stylish, but nothing more

The Grudge - it had its creepy moments, but unlike the Ring remake, this was more set pieces than story

Kill Bill - I thought it looked awful from the trailers but for some reason did watch the first part and thought it wasn't that bad, if the second part delivered the goods it could have been shiny. After watching the second one I was dumbfounded as to why this movie was split into two parts. There wasn't that much to it - why wasnt it edited to one movie? If QT really wanted a 3hr+ movie why not release an extended edition on dvd instead of making people pay twice so that they can see the full movie?

There are probably a lot more but so far the majority of films I have recalled thanks to them being mentioned in other peoples posts. I'll try to add more later




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Well, the first Dune was a full length movie and when completed was 4 hours in length. A lot was cut from it for the theatrical release. Mostly what I remember from the movie was that the acting seemed stiff and forced. In fairness though I have to say just taking a book as rich and imaginative as Frank Herbert's Dune and transposing it to the screen for a 2 hour movie was attempting the impossible and should have been made into a mini-series or trilogy of movies instead. I'd forgotten that the SCI-FI version of Dune was a mini-series. I thought the acting was a bit better and it followed the book a bit more closely but still couldn't hold up to the book but then my expectations might have been too high.

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To those who said Lord of the Rings.

Are you seriously telling me that you can't think of 10 movies worse than the LOTR movies? None?

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Kinda how I feel about Matrix Reloaded & Revolutions.
Weren't as good as they could've been, but I've seen FAR worse!
'Course, I saw all three from the best seat at Grauman's Chinese theatre, so the sequels made somewhat more of an impact on me than those of you who waited for the DVD.
Still, when I look at all the behind-the-scenes featurettes for Reloaded & Revolutions, it kinda breaks my heart to see all that work they put into them go almost entirely unappreciated by the majority of viewers.

But then, I'm apparently the only one on the planet who walked out of "The 40 year Old Virgin" within the first 20 minutes, so what do I know?

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Are you seriously telling me that you can't think of 10 movies worse than the LOTR movies? None?

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Not that I actually saw, no. I don't generally go see a movie that I can tell will suck. Even if I had seen more of the shitty movies mentioned here, LOTR would still make my list just for the sheer fact that it gets so much hype, and even I was sucked in by it enough to get me to see it.

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I think that you are hating LOTR simply because it's so popular and are trying to set yourself apart and be "cool" by not liking it.

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It's far more likely YOU'RE just trying to be cool by saying you like such a craptastic movie because it's popular so you can fit in.

Seriously, LOTR is on par with the Star Wars prequels for hype, poor writing and disappointment. Hell, if I didn't know better I'd say they came from the same guy.

Come to think of it, I've never seen Lucas and Jackson in the same room together.

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Well, the first Dune was a full length movie and when completed was 4 hours in length. A lot was cut from it for the theatrical release.

In fairness though I have to say just taking a book as rich and imaginative as Frank Herbert's Dune and transposing it to the screen for a 2 hour movie was attempting the impossible

it followed the book a bit more closely but still couldn't hold up to the book but then my expectations might have been too high.

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Yeah, 4 hours, that's why I misremembered. I've seen the excruciatingly long version of Dune1.0 as well, and honestly? The added in bits were mostly another 10 takes of...
Dune...Arakis...Desert Planet
I found it really startling that they thought there needed to be any -any- more of that. My roommate and I went around for weeks after seeing the magical telescoping version of Dune saying Dune...Arakis...Desert Planet. Which is probably why I'm still enjoying doing it so much right now.
...and the extended version added a little more about the spacing guild, but only a little, and more of the Harkonen family high jinx, but yuck, there was already too much of that...I thought. Yuck. Kitty torture.

Honestly I did like the mini series much better, but it was still disappointing, and I think you put your finger on it that the book(ses) are too much information and and too complex a story to interpret for the screen.

I need another howler to add. Gosh, there are so many of them too. Casablanca, no we already said that (ha, ha) Duck Soup (kidding again) *hums fruity oaty bar tune* There's a last ditch Lon Chaney effort at a werewolf moviie that's god awful, and some Godzilla I'd rather not ever see again, and a remake of King Kong that was wretched...

Wait! I have it!
Queen of the Damned
really bit hard


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"The Ninth Gate -- I hate movies that have a cheat ending. This one was really good until the end and then all I could say was "What?!!" Two days later I was still saying "What?!!" Even Jonny Depp couldn't change my mind on this one." - Rivernot
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Boy do I agree with this - except for a different reason. I never even made it to the end to see the cheat ending I thought it was so bad.

Let's see other bad ones (and I've had my share)...

Shock Treatment - the sequal for Rocky Horror Picture Show - oh Richard O'Brien - how the mightily strange became even mightily stranger...

Howard the Duck - It could have only been worse if Rick Dees had sung a sequal to Disco Duck as the theme song.

Liquid Sky - only comprehensible if you're not sober. Not that I'm advocating use of intoxicating substances....

Sheena - 2 hours of my life never to be returned.

Zardoz - ZZZZZZZZZ (even with Sean Connery)

Manos, the Hands of Fate - even more time sucked out of my life...

Grease 2 - Peee...UUU

Leonard Part 6 - Somebody should beat Bill Cosby with a Pudding Pop for this.

Last - I'm putting Gigli on here...even though I never saw it. The ads alone made me gag.



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Some of these have been stated before but they bear repeating:

1) Van Helsing- Took itself way too seriously, acting was horrible probably due to the horrible script, and the F/X just sucked. Hated it, didn't even finish it.

2)Joe's Apartment- old movie that i haven't see since i was a kid, but i still remember how much i hated it.

3)Kill Bill- just didn't get it. Trying to make live action like anime just didn't work for me.

4)Envy- I usually like Ben Stiller and Jack Black but i couldn't even finish this one.

5)Brother's Grimm- Stupid movie. It tried to be too complex.

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5)Brother's Grimm- Stupid movie. It tried to be too complex.

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There was a good film somewhere in The Brother's Grimm, it just didn't get made. I suspect if they had dumped the whole stupid French army bit and concentrated on the actual faerie tale portion it would have been a passable, if not spectacular film.

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I dont need ten Just one has anyone seen the worst movie of all time
Open Water!?
God I thought it was going to be great just because of the reviews but they must have paid off those critics cause that was the biggest piece of crap I have ever seen...it was a non-scary movie that they labeled Horror when there is about ohhh 2 minutes of sharks in the entire 2 hour movie and then they try to make it seem bad and scary by making it rated R when in fact it is a PG movie with a bonus 5 minute full frontal Nude scene anyone who liked this piece of crap should be immediatly carted off to the loony bin And i am not evev sorry if you do like it...cause you got mental issues to deal with, well thats my post I think that covered all tn worst movies with one

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OK her it is... gosh i cant beleve I'm doing this...
The List
First 10 movies that sucked
The Postman- Kevin how could you do somthing like this you were in dances with Wolves and JFK How could you
Waterworld- "Ditto"

Striptease & Showgirls- Both came out at the same time so i put them together. Wanna watch movies with no plot then watch.

Howard The Duck- heres some trivia Executive producer George Lucas spent $2 million on Howard's duck suit!

Star Trek V- #1 was good #2 Was better than one #3 okay #4 okay #5... O god it was number 5!!

Encino Man- Have you watched the movie...dont!

From Justin To Kelly- Hopefully they wont make from
Clay to Ruben

Star Wars Episode 1- half of the movie was about pod racing and Jar Jar Binks had a semi major role.

Star Wars Episode 2- this one was a good movie maybe a 8/10 but Jar Jar Binks spoke

Star Wars Episode 3- You saw JJB once that was enough to kill the movie. Oh and do to my sisters popular demand (this is her acount im just funnier than her a know a hell of alot more about movies) here my mini fan fic of Anakin burning enjoy.
"Ahhhhhh ahhhhhh ahhhh (whats my line again oh yay) ahhhh ahhhh ahhhhhx6. God when will i die feels like 2 hours."
"Uh Anny it has been 2 hours," says Obi-wan
"Don't you dare call me ANNY or i swear i'll...i'll... I'll die faster"

Now the movies that will suck

King Kong- Adrian Brody hahaha dont even get me started. what a great movie to remake(for the thousandth time) and what a great cast...

X Men 3- dont get me wrong i would love if they made a decent x men movie. but the first killed it by throwing the characters out of whack, in the comic Iceman has a major role beast has a major role also ( they are part of the first x men group)

there you go whew
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Ok 10 worst movies-

1. Urban Legends 2- we were on a school trip and I didn't even make it through half.

2. Thin Red Line- Everyone who making war movies STOP trying to make Saving Private Ryan.

3. Forces of Nature- Ohhh so terribly predictable, I could have stabbed myself with an ice pick.

4. Gigli- I was fed this piece of drivel and I almost vomited.

5. Pearl Harbour- Was there a movie with more historical innaccuracies?

6. Charlie's Angels- No reason i just don't like it

7. Transporter- nothing says snoozville like Transporter

8. The Shipping News- ZZzzzzzzzzzzz

9. The Castle- it's Australian and it's just not funny

10. Wallace and Gromit- they sold out when they made that movie.

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Raise The Titanic. Shame, because the book was actually good. And you can rarely say that about Gary-Sue Cussler.

Mystery Men. I mean, look at that cast! How could it have turned out to be such a damp squib.

Gladiator. The video I got ages ago still stands where I got fed up. Hasn't even been rewound.

My Big Fat Greek Wedding. That was rubbish. John Corbett? I don't get any filmstar vibes off him at all.

Addams Family 3rd / 2nd sequel. Proof positive of the contempt in which Hollywood holds the public, and the lack of pride some people have for a franchise.

"They loved the other two, let's push out another one. No original cast available? Sod it. Just stick anyone in. Nobody will ever notice."

ANYTHING where anyone, particularly Michael Medved uses the phrase "So bad it's good." Wrong. If it's bad it really is bad. Plan 9 from Outer Space? A waste of celluloid.

The Unspeakable. I'm going to be in so much trouble with Mrs G for dissing a Richard Hatch film, but mercy me, that stank.

I feel bad myself, because Tim Thomerson was in it too, and he did a decent job on his part, unlike anyone else in the cast. And the CGI monster was truly pitiful. You know how the average calculator has more power than the computer on the Apollo missions? The Unspeakable's CGI machine would have been rejected by NASA for utter wimpiness.

Kill Bill. I love Tarantino, his smart scriptwriting, and iron grip on direction and narrative. But there I was, drumming fingers, and waiting for something interesting to happen.

Matrix 2. To much fighting / setpieces, not enough of... anything, really.

Four Weddings and a Funeral. Get over it already. The most unforgiveable thing about this is that it put me right off Hugh Grant and Richard Curtis. So much so that I refused to go near the totally great "Love Actually" until very recently.

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I love so many of people's 10 worsts! :(

Ah well, my bottom 5 (can't think of any more atm)

Catwoman
Battlefield Earth
Event Horizon
Highlander 2
Gigli

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5)Brother's Grimm- Stupid movie. It tried to be too complex.

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There was a good film somewhere in The Brother's Grimm, it just didn't get made. I suspect if they had dumped the whole stupid French army bit and concentrated on the actual faerie tale portion it would have been a passable, if not spectacular film.

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My thoughts exactly. That's pretty much my whole problem with that movie was the french army.

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I don't watch movies that I absolutely hate. Pretty much any movie that I watch sucks but I don't hate it. Take a look at some of the movies on We and Oxygen and the rest of those horrible stations for some insight into what I can't stand watching. Most of the movies you guys have listed are just sucky entertainment, there's a difference between suck and complete trash.

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Ok, here's my worst list:

Spanglish. This movie bored me to tears, and I wanted the 2 hours of my life back I wasted watching it when it was done.

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. This was a movie that I'm still waiting to go somewhere. Too weird for me, but it got good reviews.

Bird on a Wire. This crappy Goldie Hawn and Mel Gibson movie was so bad, I tried to leave the theater, but my girlfriend (now wife) wouldn't let me.

Men At Work. The Sheen brothers as trashmen was another I paid good coin to see (on a date), and was sorry I did. I vowed never to watch another Sheen film again after that!

Hudson Hawke. Bruce Willis singing. 'Nuff said.

Now, I too would have Lord of the Rings as honorable mention, but I'd have to say they aren't the 10 worst films ever, but they just bored me to tears.

I think Kill Bill Vol 1 is so much fun, I've got the Japanese DVD that is unrated, and has a bunch of added stuff, including the House Of Leaves part in color instead of black in white (to get an R rating, the US version had to be B&W).

As for Forest Gump, my rule of thumb is that anything Tom Hanks makes these days is a one and done viewing. You watch it once, and you never want to see it again. Think about it. When was the last time Tom Hanks made a movie that required repeated viewings? Terminal? Gump? Castaway? Please rip out my heart if I ever have to view any of these movies more than once!



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But then, I'm apparently the only one on the planet who walked out of "The 40 year Old Virgin" within the first 20 minutes, so what do I know?

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Ah. I wouldn't be one of those who walked out because I'm one of those who hasn't/won't/has no desire to see it. There's a lot of movies like that out there for me, many of them listed in this thread.

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Take a look at some of the movies on We and Oxygen and the rest of those horrible stations for some insight into what I can't stand watching.

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Oh! Were we counting them, too?? Wow, that list would be extremely long, wouldn't it.

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Star Wars (All three new ones) - After watching these, I wanted to punch George Lucas in the eye. The only redeeming qualities are Darth Maul, Yoda and light sabers.

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5. Pearl Harbour- Was there a movie with more historical innaccuracies?

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And boy were there a ton, to name a few:

1. Mountains can be seen in the background at Mitchell Field in Long Island, which is shown as being by the sea. There are no mountains in Long Island and the base is inland.

2. "Mitchell" Field, on Long Island, is actually called "Mitchel Field" (with one "L").

3. Evelyn and her nurse friends are shown wearing bikinis. The bikini didn't make its first appearance until 1946.

Although...

***The story of the Japanese pilot waving at the children playing early-morning baseball, trying to get them to get away before the attack, is true.

All of this is from imdb.com

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1) Matrix I, II, and III. #1 was OK I guess but I just can’t stand it. It’s so 'been done', and the fight scenes are just plan bad from a realism stand point (and I say that acknowledging that the characters and run up walls and shit).

2) Soldier. OMG does the military in this movie just run around killing civilians! What would have happened if one of their ships crash-landed on that world years ago and those Soldiers landed there with orders to ‘kill all trespassers’ (or what ever their reasoning was)?

3) Star Trek Nemesis: WTF. I’ve heard that the next one will deal with the Earth-Romulan war, I hope that this movie is the reason the Romulans invade the Federation! I was so looking forward to seeing the Romulans in a staring role in a Star Trek movie and was just incredibly disappointed with the whole thing.

4) U-571: Just so historically in accurate it’s insulting. Who ever wrote in that scene when the Germans machine gun the lifeboat should never work again.

5) Behind Enemy Lines: What a waste of a good plot and Gene Hackman. Plus I cringe every time I see the SAM sequence, no why in hell a SAM flies like that.

6) Pearl Harbor: Nuff Said

7) Mission Impossible II: The original was good and true to style of the show but II just tries to turn Hunt in to a James Bond knock off instead of a realistic spy like in #1.

8) What Women Want: Not my kind of movie but I liked it until 3/4 the way through it when Mel Gibson stops being selfish with his little ‘gift’.

9) Sky Pirates: LOL Its so stupid its almost funny… but its isn’t. The production company couldn’t even afford an insignia on the pilot’s hat!

10) Star Wars Episode I, II, III: the reasons have already been stated by others…


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As for Forest Gump, my rule of thumb is that anything Tom Hanks makes these days is a one and done viewing. You watch it once, and you never want to see it again. Think about it. When was the last time Tom Hanks made a movie that required repeated viewings? Terminal? Gump? Castaway? Please rip out my heart if I ever have to view any of these movies more than once!

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What about 'Apollo 13'? Yea sure you know how it ends but it makes you feel proud in the space program every time you see it.

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I personally believe that nobody can talk about "worst movie ever" unless they've seen Red Zone Cuba, aka: Night Train to Mundo Fine. Until then it's just hyperbole. For you people raggin' on The Lord of the Rings, you really need to spend some time with Coleman Francis and get some perspective. Seriously, I think some of you need to learn to differentiate between "didn't enjoy" and "worst movie ever."

And - much to the ire of Gixxer, I'm sure - I do believe that there are movies that are so bad they're entertaining. Not "good," in the traditional sense of the word, but it isn't hard to get some enjoyment out of watching Plan 9 From Outer Space with a group of friends and riffing on it. It's a pretty hilarious movie.

Finally, I'm going to refrain from picking any worst movie candidates (other than Red Zone Cuba) to avoid annoying anyone like I've been annoyed by reading some of these choices.

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Highlander 2
Major League 2
2001
The Godfather (both that and 2001 way over-rated)
Eyes Wide Shut (snooze)
Lost Highway
The Ring
House Of 1000 Corpses (i waited 2 and a half years for this

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The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (I waited 25 years for this! )

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Dawn of the Dead '04. I'm a huge fan of the originals, but this was uttter crap! It was fun but it was not a zombie movie! it was not dawn of the Dead! "Lets take a classic and remove all social-political commentary, subtext, intelligence and significance, and lets put it to loud music and feed it to the mindless MTV generation! but lets keep the title so the unenlightened ones will think it has "something more to it"" sorry i like to rant

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Stink Burgers:
1. Battlefield: Earth. With it, he's earned a new name: John Travol-ting
2. Event Horizon. Mmmm, "haunted house" in space, complete with "thunder and lightning." I guess the warning's from the missing Captain were supposed to be terrifying because they were in Latin.
3. Rodney Dangerfield's last movie, in which he was a talk show host. (Or was he a guest?) So bad I walked out.
4. Stigmata. Stink-mata, with that Arquette woman, the one in that TV show, Medium. If it weren't for the bursts of loud music, which seemed to explode in my ears when she would get possessed, it wouldn't have been "scary."
5. Starship Troopers 2. Straight to video, so nuff said.
6. Alien 3 onward. In these cases, killing off my favorite characters just plain stinks: Reese, "Newt", Ripley. (AvP can stand on its own as pure escapism, but it's not a real successor to the rest of the series.)
7. The Thin Red Line. No effort whatsoever as to technical accuracy, in the vein of SPR and Band of Brothers; just throwing bodies at the enemy, forget any kind of coordinated action.....Hopefully Mr. Eastwood will not screw up "Flags of our Fathers" and the fighting at Iwo Jima.
8. Manos: The Hands of Fate. Okay, the only "version" I've seen of this is that done by the gang of Mystery Science Theater 3000--any other Mysties out there!!!??. I cannot even contemplate watching the "straight" version of it.
9. Druids. With Christopher Lambert. I thought, with Max von Sydow in it, it would be halfway decent. Nope! Just plain bad dialog. It was a sad sad sad...attempt at Braveheart. So bad I hit "eject".
10. A Midsummer Night's Dream. The cast included Michelle Pfieffer, Christian Bale, Calista Flockhart, et al. I admire any actor or actress who does Shakespeare, and the acting was just great. But the story was just plain boring, not funny at all....Sorry Will: just did nothing for me.


(Someone posted that there hasn't been a good romantic comedy since 1967. I would like to offer "When Harry Met Sally".....I watch it every December....Musicals: Grease is the word.)

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X Men 3- dont get me wrong i would love if they made a decent x men movie. but the first killed it by throwing the characters out of whack, in the comic Iceman has a major role beast has a major role also ( they are part of the first x men group

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I hate to agree with you, but I'm also very pesimistic about X3. I really liked the first one, the second was good too (but something didn't seem quite right about it). But this one worries me. I hear that they're going to extreme lengths to keep Halle Berry, maybe even killing off main characters to increase her part, whats up with that? Angel's in it (the winged guy not the vampire) who is the lamest superhero ever imo. I can't believe they're supposedly not having sentinels in it. And no more nightcrawler? Very worried indeed.

But Kelsey Grammar as the Beast, that could save it :)

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1. The Lord of the Rings
2. The Lord of the Rings
3. The Lord of the Rings
4. The Lord of.... do I really have to do this all the way to ten? You get it.


I totally agree - and get nothing but loadsa flack from friends, but basically these films lacked any soul.

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I'm right there with you guys, did not like them at all.

Wasn't excited by the first one (and to top it off they kill off Sean Bean) and the other two had poor CGI that put me off a lá Matrix Reloaded

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This thread is painful for me...several movies I absolutely love have been mentioned more than a few times. I will agree that most of the movies listed are absolutely horrendous, though. There are some movies I disliked greatly, though:

Pitch Black - I dunno, it just...ugh

War of the Worlds - ok it wasn't a horrendous movie, but there was far too much cheese

House of the Dead - possibly the worst videogame to movie film ever (and that's saying a lot)

Monsters, Inc. - I don't know why, can't stand it...worst computer animated film I've seen

Lost in Translation - It didn't do anything for me

Any musical - I don't even consider them film

There are others but just these are enough to sap all the will to live from my soul.

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Ire? Me? I got no ire for anyone. I just don't like bad films. Purely my own intolerance problem, and I'd never dream of imposing my taste on others.

(Make 'em read about my prejudices on the internet, no problem, but stoutly defend the right of any reader to ignore them.)

And speaking of which, Airline films. The seat back magazines advertise the odd good one, but it's inevitably showing at a screen doing 500mph in some other direction - and the whole midair collision thing presumably explains why they never say "a screen near you"...

I had a bad Sepford Wives experience going to the United Sates, and coming back. Long way short of Ferris Beuller, but not quite the depths of Inspector Bloody Gadget.

They also show far too many of the Yards (Whole Nine or Ten) films. Chandler's mildly amusing in Friends - heavily outgunned by Joey and Phoebe, in my opinion, but seems, in common with most TV actors, to be a lot better suited to TV than cinema.

(And having another dig here, because it's really too easy, can anybody in the immediate vicinity think of a big damn collection of TV actors who have strolled onto the big screen and kicked pretty much any big-name filmstar's bottom recently?)

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As for Forest Gump, my rule of thumb is that anything Tom Hanks makes these days is a one and done viewing. You watch it once, and you never want to see it again. Think about it. When was the last time Tom Hanks made a movie that required repeated viewings? Terminal? Gump? Castaway? Please rip out my heart if I ever have to view any of these movies more than once!

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Forrest Gump - my favourite movie
The Green Mile - superb
Castaway - not one you can watch again and again I'll admit, but it is a great film to watch when you're in the right mood
Catch Me if You Can - love it
Toy Story 1 & 2 (Do they count?)
You've Got Mail
Apollo 13

I could go on

but then again it all depends on whether you like the guy I suppose (though personally, I'm not put off watching just because I don't like a particular person in it)


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That's my favourite movie too. I love it to bits... so keep away from me

and as for musicals... well I watched Phantom of the Opera a few weeks ago and I absolutely loved it. I thought I would cos I liked the songs in it, but I loved it even more than I thought I would

Other great musicals are Singin' in the Rain, West Side Story and Once More With Feeling (The Buffy Musical Episode)

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Needy,
It does indeed sound like we have very different taste!

Although, having said that I love Once More with Feeling and have it on CD and sing along to it in my car pretty much every day!

But what I loved about it is what disappoints me about a lot of modern musicals – OMWF has fantastic and witty lyrics – I went to see Jerry Springer the Musical fairly recently and was incredibly disgusted, not by the blasphemy or rudeness but by the lack of effort to produce lyrics that rhymed or were in any way witty – give me Cole Porter any day!!!


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To those who said Lord of the Rings.

Are you seriously telling me that you can't think of 10 movies worse than the LOTR movies? None?

I think that you are hating LOTR simply because it's so popular and are trying to set yourself apart and be "cool" by not liking it. The LOTR movies cannot possibly be in the 10 WORST movies you've ever seen. Unless you've only seen a small handful of movies in your lifetime.

If you honestly dislike the movies, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But you also can't honestly say that they're the WORST movies. If anything, you have to appreciate all the work and effort that went into them.

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Hi Yorg.

You make a good point. Personally I don't think they're badly made films, far from it. They're exceptionally put together and perhaps one of the finest cinematic undertakings since the golden days of the 'Epic'. And I think for Peter Jackson to even have consceived to put together such a project is astounding. (I think in total all three films employed 25,000 people!!!!! )

However non of this makes it necessarily an enjoyable film, at least not for me. I have no desire to appear 'cool' as you say by not liking them. I just reall don't. But I also never enjoyed the books. So maybe for me it's just not working from the point of view of 'subject' matter. I don't go for all that hobbit, orcs, trolls stuff etc.
Sometimes things just don't work for you. I almost put the 'Incredibles' down on this list also - because I really didn't like this film. Not a jot. Now that was five years of blood sweat and tears form all those who made it, but it doesn't change the fact that I didn't enjoy it. I can't pretend to like it....

I just wonder why so many people struggle to understand that we're all different. We can't all like the same films. It's just impossible. They're bound to be individuals out there who don't like the Lord of the rings Trilogy. It's just a question of averages no?....

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1. Hope Floats - Sandra Bullock and Harry Connick Jr. (the real murderer from Copycat) in the MOST!!! unimportant movie EVER! What a waste of precious time! It spolied my mood for the rest of the evening so I had to go to bed. And I used to like Forest Whitaker...

2. Fist of the North Star - Weird splatter

3. The Scorpion King - I actually fell asleep watching it at the cinema (that, however, can be due to the fact that I was stoned :biggrin)

4. Jurassic Park III - They should've stopped in time. Which is at #1

5. House Of A 1000 Corpses - I think I looked more on the timer on the DVD than on the screen, all the time thinking to myself, 'Okay, this is 10 minutes!' But it was always only 1...

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I am only including movies I saw either in the theater or on HBO/cinemax/showtime.

A.I. - I never felt any sympathy for the boy as he should he was a robot and should have just turned off his emotions. After it was over, I told my wife I would have walked out if I was alone, and she laughed and said she would have walked out, but thought I was liking the movie.

Gattaca - Would have been higher on the list had it not been for the ending. The last 10 minutes were good, the first hour and 45 sucked a$$.

The Promise - May have been the worst ending ever, and the premise leading to the ending was pretty bad too.

(The rest of these were just so bad I am not even going to bother with explanations)

What Women Want

In and Out

The Island of Dr. Morrow

Charlie's Angels

Godzilla

Down and Out in Beverly Hills

Scenes from a Mall

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1. Kill Bill Vol.1
2. Kill Bill Vol.2
3. Harry Potter 1
4. Harry Potter 2
5. Im guessing Harry Potter 3, tho i didnt watch that one
6. Gothika
7. Saw
8. That Arnie film where he gets pregnant, can't currently remember the name
9. Bridget Jones' Diary (shudders)
10. Scooby Doo

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Well, the worst movie I ever remember seeing has got to be "Ella Enchanted". I LOVE the book.. and I have to say that when I saw the movie I felt sick. I've seen some other movies that I didn't much care for.. but I can't say that they're the worst.

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I don't usually watch movies I don't think I will like, but somehow I end up seeing bad ones anyway. So here goes.

1. Blair Witch Project. Supposed to be scary. Just a bunch of whiners running around carrying a camera and swearing. Made me motion sick. Never watch again.

2. The Others. One of the only movies I ever wanted to walk out of. Just terribly boring. They're the ghosts? Wow. So that hasn't really been done already?

3. Rules of Attraction. Very weird, messed up, just ick.

4. Alexander. I really wanted to like this one, I really did, but I just couldn't. After the first half, I was just like, stop the madness.

5. Fight Club. Same as Rules of Attraction. Only redeeming quality was Brad Pitt half nude. Never finished watching it.

6. Harry Potter: Prisoner of Azkaban. Love the Harry Potter books and first two movies. This one made me hate it. Dumbledore a hippy with pajamas? Nuff said.

7. In Good Company. Thought this would be funny. It was so not. Very boring.

8. Shark Tale. It's not terrible so much as incredibly disappointing. Tries to be funny but isn't.

9. Jason 10. I've never watched the first nine, but this was on Movie channel one day, so I watched it. Dear God, doesn't this guy ever die??? Give me a chainsaw, I'll cut him up in little pieces and throw him out the hatch!

10. Pearl Harbor/Miracle. I've never actually watched these, because I've banned them for life. No offense to Americans, but if I watched this yay America yay films, I'd have to stab myself in the eyes. I dislike the fact that American filmmakers don't seem to realize that you can make movies about other countries, that they weren't the only ones in WW II, and that Canada defeated the Soviets eight years before they ever did. I do like Americans. Just a little tired of the filmmakers.

That's all I can think of for now.

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Oh yeah, how could I forget

6. A.I. - Respect to Spielberg for what else he has done but this piece of crab... I think I wept for the loss of money I spent on the tickets... I MUST have wept...

7. Junior - the one with Arnold getting pregnant. Is there no end to how much a grown man is willing to humiliate himself?

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These are not all going to be well known films.

1. Forest Warrior - Chuck Norris is in full form in the all time worst movie ever.

2. Dragonstorm - Oooh, made the mistake of watching this turd on SciFi the other day. What was with the costumes? I actually started watching it because John Reese Davies was in it, but turned off half-way through, it was that bad.

3. Pearl Harbour - 'Nuff said, frankly.

4. Oceans 12 - WTF was that? Oceans 11 was miles better.

5. Matrix Revolutions - Not as bad as the critics made out, but it was such a disapointment for me - i almost cried, not because Neo died or was knocked out or whatever the hell happened to him - but because i was so disapointed. (By the way, i loved Reloaded)

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Some of these agree with previous posts but here goes (in no order):

1. Wayne's World 2 (Brilliant TV show and first film but unfunny sequel).

2. Anything with Seagull, Van Dumme, Dolt Lungren and other 'actors' like them.

3. Highlander II (Either enjoy the first film and ignore the second or ignore the first film and still not enjoy the second).

4. Club Dread (Oh dear, oh dear, why did I watch this).

5. The Ring Two (US version. Need I say anything)

6. First Daughter (OK now I'm just embarrassed to say I watched this shite).

7. Batman And Robin/Forever (A fine example of how to **** up a franchise. Should be taught in film classes worldwide).

8. Scary Movie (Only time I enjoyed the Pearl & Dean adverts more than the movie).

9. Most Ben Stiller movies (but not all) (He's Unfunny and basically plays every role the same way).

10. The one with Whatshisname in it. Also stars Thingymajig. You know the one where they do those things and then they go over there.

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Wing Commander: that was a poor excuse of showing the game in a movie format. the cut scenes in the actual game were better than the movie!

Star Wars: 1-3: i am a huge fan of star wars before FF. when i saw these i was excited to see them, when i finally did, i felt my heart was ripped out and stomped on by George Lucas. i did loose some of my respect toward Lucas.

Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone and Chamber of Secrets: i'll admit that it was for little kids, but Christopher Columbus ruined the HP movies for me. I was glad that Alfonso Curiano did the third book because that one was my favorite.


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1. Any movie made by Tarantino. Admit it!!! He sucks.
2. Harry Potter franchise
3. Alexander-why, oh why wasn't this movie done right?
4. Anchorman-pile of poo
5. Day of the Dead
6. Land of the Dead-Possibly the worst movie I didnt't pay for. I just wanted to leave 30 minutes in, but didn't because there was nothing else to do.
7. Doom
8. Anything staring rap "artists".
9. White Chicks-didn't even have to see it to know it was bad
10. Resident Evil 2

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Get Rich or Die Trying... Hahahaha oh man, I forgot about that one. Sheer genius in my book, I never knew something could make me feel so joyful in my life. Can anyone say '50 Cent- Oscar nominee'?

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I'm going to chime in with those who didn't like the LOTR movies. I don't think they were bad, but I spent most of the first one resisting the urge to look at my watch and the only thing I could think to say when asked if I liked it was "well, it was a very pretty movie" (of course I hated The Hobbit so I wasn't really expecting to love LOTR).

But worst... there are lots of movies I didn't like, but worst would have to be Alexander. People in the audience shouldn't start clapping and cheering when the main character finally dies. The worst part is it could have been better

Also:

The Blair Witch Project - only scary if you're afraid of trees
The Bumblebee Flies Anyway (not exactly sure of the title) - incredibly depressing and disappointing
A.I. - I have yet to stay awake through the entire thing
Wing Commander - it's so bad, it's almost good
The Cable Guy - I've blocked it from my memory

Most others were simply forgettable. Or from a genre I don't like in general (there are very few 'fantasy' films that I like).

But it's entirely subjective, I've loved some of the movies listed earlier in this thread, ie. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and Fight Club.

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I have only one choice as it trumps all other mentions in my opinion.
The League of Extrodinary Gentleman
the clue to the true tragedy was when they had a car chase on the streets of VENICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't think I could come up with 10. I actually don't see a lot of movies. Even bad movies I can usually get a hearty giggle out of at the expense of their sheer badness. But I will say this for the good of all humanity-

"Boogeyman" sucked so bad, it leaves me at a loss for a suitable suction-related pun to insult it with. I still can't believe I paid money to see it. Let's just say I was bored most of the way through it, and there was such an unnecessarily long and complicated build-up to the conclusion that I was ultimately served up the most anti-climactic ending in history. The only part I really liked was when the bird hit his windshield, and he hit the windshield-wipers to try to get it off. That was hilarious.

Oh, also, all these sequils Disney is coming out with for their classics. I find it somehow offensive, though I can't quite explain why.

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If I must narrow it down to the 10 worst ...

Titantic - simply the worst movie ever made. Cameron BOUGHT every Academy Award it received. He's still performing sexual favors for Best Screenplay.

The Ring - was anything more dumb and less scary?

Pearl Harbor - Almost had me rooting for the Japanese. Almost.

Battlefield Earth - Loved the book. Hated the movie. Ohhhh Travolta, you will answer for dragging Forest Whittaker into this mire.

Dead Heat - Zombie cop movie? At least the Chinese restaurant chickens were humorous.

Barbed Wire - Humphrey Bogart is STILL turning over in his grave as what they did to Casablanca.

Saturn 3 - Why is it Hollywood producers will pair youngish women up with cadaverous geezers and expect us NOT to see their desperate search for a woman who will sleep with them and NOT demand a starring role in return.
For goodness sake, they had to iron Kirk Douglas before every shoot morning to keep his skin in place.

Dante's Inferno - Are we allowed to root for the volcano?

The Day After Tomorrow - Too much and too easy to go into. Simply dreadful.

Any odd-numbered Star Trek movie.

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Titantic - simply the worst movie ever made. Cameron BOUGHT every Academy Award it received. He's still performing sexual favors for Best Screenplay.

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Is that what made him 'king of the world' at the awards that year - he was looking forward to all the nookie?

Not big on disaster movies, huh?
Volcano anyone? It could be an appetizer for Dante's Inferno.

Speaking of Tommy Lee...Men in Black 2.0. It was so obvious they were having fun doing the 1st one, and so obvious they hated the 2nd one with a firey loathing. Wonder why. Bad bad movie, go lay down by your dish and ask Joss to write you next time.

The Towering Inferno should have been dropped off the edge of the tower before being released.

The Poseidon Adventure. The song alone qualifies this one for the hall of shame.

Transylvania 6-5000.Ok, I loved this movie because it was so very very bad. Does that count?

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Just one for me:

I HATE HATE HATE Forrest Gump with a deep and abiding loathing that makes me want to projectile vomit when it's mentioned ...

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I thought I was the only one! That movie BORES me to TEARS! Why does everyone else love it so much?

Other movies to avoid Kung Fu Hustle and Kung Pow:Enter the Fist, that's 4 hours of my life I will never get back. My husband forced me to watch them.

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I can't believe I forgot to add Catwoman to my list the first time... simply awful.

Hell with this; I'm gonna live! - Kaylee "Serenity"

If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do. -"Angel"

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These are really BAD movies:

Lost in Translation - and the point being...?

Bewitched (The Movie) - Nichol Kidman is adorable, but the rest of the movie stunk.

Elektra - Say, didnt she die in Daredevil?

Star Trek 3 - They really should have left Spock dead.

Star Trek V - The writer and director of this one should be sexually defiled by a genetically altered rhino live on CNN.

Star Trek Nemesis - I don't even want to talk about it.

Charlie's Angels - Yuck!

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy -Waited forever just to see this good book raped on the movie screen.

Little Black Book - I love Brittney Murphy, but the rest of the movie stunk.

Starship Troopers 2 - I couldnt believe that they had the nerve to even make this movie.

You've Got Mail - The writer should shoot himself

SuperGirL - BAD movie, but the actress who plays SuperGirL is great.

Jurassic Park III - What was that...JAWS 3?

What Women Want - S.T.U.P.I.D.

Ms Congeniality 2 - I love Sandra Bullock, and the 1st movie was fuuny and good...this one sucks.

The Blair Witch Project - We get to watch some stupid, unarmed people go off into the woods where there are rumors of people vanishing.

The Day After Tomorrow - My ex-husband worked on that film so I completely hate it.

The Poseidon Adventure - Bad but watchable

The Poseidon Adventure 2 - This has to be THE worst movie in Earth's history.

Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions - They couldnt leave well enough alone could they?

Dumb And Dumber - Enuff said

Picnic at Hanging Rock - Where do these writers come from?

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Gladiator. Normally I love a bad sword and sandals movie, but when it's supposed to be historical, try not changing the entire history of Rome, okay?

Legend of the Rollerblade Seven. Maybe it would be comprehensible if you happened to be on the same drugs as the filmmakers were when they made it. Later, I found out it was middle in a trilogy of movies, the others being, of course, The Rollerblade Seven and Return of the Rollerblade Seven. I almost want to watch these just so I can see if they make more sense when you see them all, but that way lies madness.

Fight Club. I liked it alright up until the twist. At that point, I found myself wondering...if you saw a guy beating the crap out of himself in a parking lot, would you idolize him and want to follow him? If it was as slick as a lot of people think, it wouldn't have a plot hole you could drive a truck through.

And finally, speaking of plot holes, the all-time winner is The Ring. It's pretty, with good visuals and clean effects. But the story just makes no sense at all. There's too much to go into here, but a major one is, why didn't she ask her son about the girl earlier? He always knew more about what was going on than she did, and she knew that, but she didn't bother to ask him if the girl was a victim or just evil. Because if she had, there wouldn't have been a movie.

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if you saw a guy beating the crap out of himself in a parking lot, would you idolize him and want to follow him?

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Well, some people would certainly be somewhat curious, wouldn't they? Some people might even go over and see what it was all about, and maybe some would even stick around to see what else this guy had to say. They didn't idolize him because he beat the crap out of himself, they idolized him because he was espousing a philosophy that seemed to fit with where they were in their life.

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