ITS TIME! Post How much you would personally give to Joss Whedon & Co. to get our Ship in the air AGAIN!

POSTED BY: TheAntiReaver
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KK81

Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:06 PM

i would give 100.00 per season

DERANGEDMILK

Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:16 PM

Alright ANTIREAVER, according to my calculations we're up to roughly $21365.
-e

"Storms getting worse."
"We'll pass through it soon enough."

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:16 PM

Okay. I would be happily willing to give at least $100 a season. However, if you all are willing to pop over to this thread: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=14862
and buy one of my books, I will be able to donate more. If I sell a lot of books, I will have a lot more money to donate to the cause, maybe even as much as River6213 offered. And if (wildly dreaming) I become a best-selling author, I might have more clout to help this out with. Think of buying my book as an investment in Firefly, because I love this show just as much as y'all, and I'm serious about donating more. So, yeah, think about it.

I give to you the Seeker of Serenity, the Valkyrie Warrior, the Gourmet Cook and the Truth Scoper.

BARD

Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:17 PM

$10 per "hour" - similar to new DVD prices, kinda.

23 episodes = $230.00

*And* I'll by the gorram DVD!

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May the wind be under our wings.

SHIPBOARDHORSESHOES

Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:39 PM

Greetings browncoats!

I'd happily cover $200 up front plus $200 per season if necessary. Could use the up front funds to help Sci-Fi buy sets from 20th Century Fox etc. (assuming they get smart and re-launch the show on their network - not just rebroadcast the original episodes).

"Why isn't it ever smooth?"

Q2JESTER

Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:44 PM

My Bride and I are good for $100 each per season. $200 from this part of Wilma slammed South Florida. (What did we do while the power was out? Watched Firefly on our laptop, that's what.)

Q2Jester

CERULEANBLU

Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:05 PM

$100/season, at the very least.

LORDJ

Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:07 PM

I would contribute $100 per season.

But: I have seen threads where people specifically bring this up to Joss at conventions etc. and he gives them very non-committal responses. I think it is more likely that he wants some kind of mass marketing to encourage people outside the community here to see his stuff rather than a straight to DVD set (which I would gladly pay $100 to help produce as well as $40 or so retail) that would limit Firefly to us.

But again, I am in.

JAYTEE

Thursday, November 17, 2005 6:23 PM

Without a doubt, $100 per season or $10.00 per episode at least. 14 episodes per season = $140.00. I'd find the money!

Jaytee

NUMERATOR

Thursday, November 17, 2005 6:36 PM

£65 so $100 no question. Only discovered this from serenity now very upset by the shody treatment of this fantabulous show. I don't think it was even shown in England. Now however the masses have been alerted to it's presence. There is a buzz about it in England people are gathering and they are not happy. We may have to send the SAS to kidnap Murdoch make him watch the show and admitt to his networks foolhardiness.

HAZE

Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:17 PM

I could manage 100 Euro a season. But seriously instead of trying to get money together to fund a new series we should be getting money together to make a bid on the TV rights. Think about it. If we own Firefly…

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Who do you suppose is in there?

MINGHUSCHUTNEY

Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:18 PM

$100 for even another half season would be considered good value by me, so count this as a pledge.

Good Bible

SHIRLOCKC

Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:32 PM

I already voted in the poll but will add my $100 here for a new season provided that Joss Whedon is the producer/director etc.

IAMALEAFONTHEWIND

Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:51 PM

I would be willing to say right now $100 per season, but like many here, if this really became serious, I would be willing to put up more. I'd say one episode of Firefly is better than most movies in the theatre, so I could do $10 an episode. And I'd buy multiple copies of the DVD set once that was released. And, as mentioned, an investment deal might change things yet again. My wife's gonna think I'm gorram crazy, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

"I don't wanna explode."

BROWNCOAT1

Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:07 PM

I would gladly pay at least $50.00 per year for a season of Firefly. I would be willing to go as high as $100.00 per year if it was needed.

Yep. It's that gorram good!

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SINGLEJACK

Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:38 PM

I am in for $100/season.Good value for the best gorram show in the verse.I am not really web savvy...Shopping and surfing are about the limit of my expertise. I am talking to everyone I can get to listen, to promote Firefly. I could only get 1 set of DVD's,I have loaned them out three times with 100% sucess rate for converts.One of my friends comment was "Where has this been all of my life."

walkin and talkin,bright and shiny

KHANVALHERU

Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:15 PM

$50 for a chance to see Joss's world again. No questions asked.

SEREN1TY

Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:36 PM

$200 per season, for me and the Mrs. Unless someone else took over the show and screwed it up. In which case my money would go to assassinating this person.

ANFA

Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:55 PM

I'm in for $50-$100 per season. Maybe more, depending on my finances once it comes time to actually have $ in hand.

" We're just too pretty for God to let us die."

ANFA

Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:57 PM

In addition to my $50-$100 per season, my brother will go $50 per season. yea!

" We're just too pretty for God to let us die."

MARLOW

Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:08 PM

I would give atleast $50 US per season.

SHADO

Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:34 PM

100-150$ per season for me and that would be doubled with my father

BROWNCOATMACHINA

Friday, November 18, 2005 12:26 AM

In all honesty, I would drop down $75 for a new season of the show that has captured my imagination in a way I never thought possible. Put me down for $75, no questions asked.

"Ah, the pitter-patter of little feet in big combat boots... SHUT UP."

"Were I unwed, I would take you in a manly fashion."

STFLETCH

Friday, November 18, 2005 12:43 AM

I'd give at least $100 a season for more Firefly. But doesn't FOX still hold the rights for another 6 or 7 years or so, or was that just an urban myth.

JOEYWIT

Friday, November 18, 2005 1:17 AM

I would give $100 in a heart beat!
I would even up that to $200 if that would convince Sci-fi to rectify their mistake and take on this show.
Now, I don't actually know that Sci-fi was given a choice in the original process, so I would not be passin' judgement here.
And of course, any DVDs, Soundtracks, etc would be purchased in triplicate (so's I don't have to keep lending my personal copies to new recruits).

Sci-fi missed Jake 2.0 (I've seen the unaired eps, if they had aired, it'd have had a full season), and Firefly. At least they partly fixed the second mistake...
And yet, Tripping the Rift goes on. It's a cruel, cruel world.

BURNTHELAND

Friday, November 18, 2005 1:18 AM

Put me down for $100. Would definitely go higher than that if things got serious.

BWARE42

Friday, November 18, 2005 2:08 AM

I'd do $100 per season if the possibility became real.

Bring it back!

KAYLEEWANNABEE

Friday, November 18, 2005 4:28 AM

Surely there's a Browncoat with expertise in film/TV financing??

Somebody who understands the details of how these things happen? Or a Browncoat who knows someone who knows someone whose second cousin's father-in-law works at a TV production company?

Surely corporations are created all the time to raise money for productions. Isn't that what executive producers do? Does anyone know an executive producer? C'mon...anybody?

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KALDEK

Friday, November 18, 2005 4:42 AM

I would happily commit to $150 (Australian) per year. I posted a very similar article over at whedonesque.org some weeks ago about pre-financing a show by the fans. Good to see the idea isn't new, and has caught on. :)

Kaldek

TIGERFIRE

Friday, November 18, 2005 5:45 AM

Questions (posted my donation earlier):

Wouldn't the logical first step be to take donations towards the publications of a season (or few episodes) of scripts? They could be published under CC liscensing, or given to donators free (and sold to further raise funds), to give us new content that we could afford, while financing Joss' vision further.

In a perfect world, we would be able to fund a five million dollar episode, but this aint that world. Pragmatically, getting a script written is the most satisfying thing I can imagine us really producing.

Sadly, our backs are going to be against the wall, starving for content, for a very long time (aside from a few comics upcoming and a possible novel). If someone really wants to run something, why not be realistic about what we could pull off? We might be able to make it worth Joss' time to invest some more life into the 'verse.

Plus, think of the ZINGERS, those glorious ZINGERS that will be at our finger tips, (course with Wash out i don't know who'll be spoutin em).

Who pulled off the variety add when serenity opened? Care to try and get the ole girl off the ground once more?

wil

HISTORY

Friday, November 18, 2005 6:10 AM

For a full season? ~22 episodes?
Or another Major motion picture?

I can and would match River 6213's $10K.
More if its in the form of an investment.

I recognize this is still a pittance for what is required, but having waited decades before seeing Star Trek return (and richly for a time), I would invest in seeing something that I (and many of you) love return soon.

Respectfully,
History

THEANTIREAVER

Friday, November 18, 2005 6:34 AM

Heya Kids!

We are now up to $34 610 or, If I count the amount of friends and family not posting, a cool $40g.

Not Bad for aboot 24 hours.

We can definately do a whole hell of a lot better though.

I think there are two good reasons as to why we don't have 100 000 dollars right now.

1.) People keep doubting and naysaying instead of telling everyone they have shared the series with, to get on board.

2.) People think that because the money isn't real nobody will give a damn.

Well #1.) is easy to fix. BUCK UP and get moving!!!

As for #2.), I can tell you that me, walking into SciFI in person with nothing in my gorram hands to show for anything is going to get me kicked out of the studio straight jacket style. Same goes for FOX, Whedon's Agencey, Jewel Straite's estate...etc etc...

These are all places I am prepared to go. I will arm myself with friends with exp. in the legal and entertainment industry, and most importantly, YOUR COMMITMENT!!!

If I can drop a link to a forum thread with thousands, maybe even a million or two posts or commitments from loyal fans who, Not only buy firefly product, but will, out of their own pocket give a corporation money for making Firefly product availible; to a studio exec, Whedon, Universal, Scifi, Spike, what have you...There will be a market with MONEY TO BE MADE.

A sure thing on a silver platter, all they have to do is scoop up the already willing talent.

If we get them alerted to our true presence and purchasing power, we WILL have our show back, if that power is strong enough we will have it SOON.

The only thing that is stopping this from getting bigger is YOU doubting my commitment, and your lack of faith in Your POWER as a consumer.

Lets get this out to all of the People.

When we pull it off it WILL revolutionize the way TV is made in this world.

Lets take the power back from networks like fox and wield it like a Reaver Cleaver!!!

CHEWIE

Friday, November 18, 2005 7:39 AM

I'm in for at least $200!

TRAKEN

Friday, November 18, 2005 12:46 PM

$50

ROBINHOOD

Friday, November 18, 2005 3:17 PM

Numerator wrote:

Quote:
Only discovered this from serenity now very upset by the shody treatment of this fantabulous show. I don't think it was even shown in England.

It's been shown on the SciFiUk channel 6 or 7 times now since I first saw it back in May of 2003, but as it's a pay only channel it hasn't gotten the exposure it deserves.

Yep ......................... that went well!

FKGRAVITY

Friday, November 18, 2005 3:44 PM

Someone should find out how much they need to continue the show? Then we'll have an idea of how much to contribute.
I just started to watch this show a few weeks back on my boss' recommendation:) Love it. I am willing to put in some money plus purchase of Firefly and Serenity DVDs.

SHINYHINEYSUPERLIMEY

Friday, November 18, 2005 4:22 PM

Put me down for $100 per season. Wish I could match the ten grand pledges, and I would if I had the funds. Maybe someday I will, but I hope Firefly will already be back on track by then =)

Wonder Woman just ain't as wonderful as Kaylee!

My mama made it!

RIVER6213

Friday, November 18, 2005 4:31 PM

Antireaver said:
Heya Kids!

We are now up to $34 610 or, If I count the amount of friends and family not posting, a cool $40g.

Not Bad for aboot 24 hours.

We can definately do a whole hell of a lot better though.

I think there are two good reasons as to why we don't have 100 000 dollars right now.

1.) People keep doubting and naysaying instead of telling everyone they have shared the series with, to get on board.

2.) People think that because the money isn't real nobody will give a damn.

Well #1.) is easy to fix. BUCK UP and get moving!!!

As for #2.), I can tell you that me, walking into SciFI in person with nothing in my gorram hands to show for anything is going to get me kicked out of the studio straight jacket style. Same goes for FOX, Whedon's Agencey, Jewel Straite's estate...etc etc...

These are all places I am prepared to go. I will arm myself with friends with exp. in the legal and entertainment industry, and most importantly, YOUR COMMITMENT!!!

If I can drop a link to a forum thread with thousands, maybe even a million or two posts or commitments from loyal fans who, Not only buy firefly product, but will, out of their own pocket give a corporation money for making Firefly product availible; to a studio exec, Whedon, Universal, Scifi, Spike, what have you...There will be a market with MONEY TO BE MADE.

A sure thing on a silver platter, all they have to do is scoop up the already willing talent.

If we get them alerted to our true presence and purchasing power, we WILL have our show back, if that power is strong enough we will have it SOON.

The only thing that is stopping this from getting bigger is YOU doubting my commitment, and your lack of faith in Your POWER as a consumer.

Lets get this out to all of the People.

When we pull it off it WILL revolutionize the way TV is made in this world.

Lets take the power back from networks like fox and wield it like a Reaver Cleaver!!!
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Should I just call you Jim Jones, and when you get around to collecting all of our checks, will we have to drink cool-aid?

OKAMI

Friday, November 18, 2005 5:26 PM

Hell Id throw down a C-note($100) for the BDC.
And if I had advanced lead time I could maybe double that.

Operative:Do you know what your sin is Mal?

Mal: Ah Hell....I'm a fan of all seven..but right now I;d got to say Wrath.

IAMMAGPIE

Friday, November 18, 2005 5:36 PM

i'd give at least $50, i'm not sure how much that would be in pound sterling.

would the people who are pledging 10k seriously give that? in all all honesty? that's alot of money, that's like a third of a years wage. probably more.

XEROGRAVITY

Friday, November 18, 2005 6:10 PM

Ya know gang. This has been attempted more than once in the past. Always with the underrepresented SciFi community. The most recent attempt to pool together money to revive a show was for Star Trek Enterprise. The show was doomed because Berman and Braga had kill orders (plus they hated the genre and the fanbase).

It was a noble effort, and managed to scrape together 3 million dollars and some change. And those were REAL committed donations. Not just posted commitments from anonymous people. Nowhere near the 40 million dollars per year production budget for Enterprise.

I have no clue how it's possible to piss away 40 mil in a year making 20+ eps of a show with a handful of main cast and a ton of extras. The sets were built, CGI is becoming less expensive to make, Somehow they manage to do it.

Suffice it to say, the studios saw the fans were rising up to bring back a show most of them regarded as mediocre and misguided for the first 3 of it's 4 years on TV, and they brought in attorneys and squashed it.

End of story.

Even if you were serious about mounting an effort to raise funds for the show, the war is lost before the battle has even begun. Firefly had kill orders from the word "go". Spend your pledge money on TV Ep DVDs and the movie DVDs. Those numbers will count 100X more.

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

HAZE

Friday, November 18, 2005 6:24 PM

Don’t be a spoil sport I say we keep this going and see how much money we can get together. I don’t think making a pledge will stop people from buying the DVDs. At the very least where making a statement. Though is still say we should be getting money together to make a bid of the TV rights. Since none of us care about profit we could sell them to HBO or Sci-Fi at a loss and then let them worry about the production cost.

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Who do you suppose is in there?

SHINYHINEYSUPERLIMEY

Friday, November 18, 2005 6:28 PM

Even if it doesn't work how we want it to, at the very least it give a little more clout to Anitreaver's efforts to make our voices heard. If all that comes of it is that it catches TPTB's attention, then its something. Ain't nothin' gonna come of us keepin' quiet!

And, as Tesco say, every little helps.

As far as the current DVDs go, we're all gonna buy them anyway, this is just a little extra :)

My mama made it!

YOUMEANSEX

Friday, November 18, 2005 6:30 PM

That's real shiny. I'd cough up $100 just for a new pilot episode. $500 for an entire season. I am just so sick of formulaic TV shows and FireFly was definitely not one of them. If I could do my part to just give this show another chance I would do it. But if it was on Fox half what I put up there because some of the Best shows I have ever seen were canceled from the death night time slots, friday any time and thursday 9pm. Wonderfalls(My favorite show ever!!), John Doe, Dark Angel, Point Pleasant(Produced by Marti Noxon a friend of Joss I believe),Brisco County Jr., and many others. I hope this helps.

JINGTSAI

Friday, November 18, 2005 6:53 PM

I would give $100 per season--more if I could manage it. Won't stop me buying DVDs, tickets, CDs, comic books, novelizations and whatever else I can get my hands on (legally!). Unrealistic? Probably. But I ain't a big fan of reality to begin with. Intentions, gestures, community, solidarity...yeah, they still count for something.

JingTsai

BLACKEYEDGIRL

Friday, November 18, 2005 7:04 PM

Personally? I would front $200 for the first season, $100 for each additional season (and I'd buy the DVDs). This goes for TV movie too. I am a very very poor state employee, but I spend a lot of quality time with my TV so it's worth every cent to me.

Also I could easily get another $300-500 from friends and family I have hooked.

In total: Put me and mine down for $600 for the first season. (and we will all buy the DVDs)

To all you trolls who are all 'I've already spent plenty on Joss' I have this to say: Bite me. I've spent thousands of dollars on Joss related projects and I will continue to because I love the work, I love the 'verses he creates and I respect him as an artist. I've also spent hundreds of dollars on shows related to his series (Tim Minear's constantly cancelled series, David Fury's Lost, even stupid Marti Noxon's Point Pleasant).

Love May Keep Her in the Air, But Money Get's Her Fueled!

Yeah $600 from us, we can totally do this!!

EDIT: BTW: Totally put up a post on the TV.com Firefly forums! http://www.tv.com/firefly/show/7097/forums.html

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XEROGRAVITY

Friday, November 18, 2005 7:14 PM

You're not going to buy rights from anyone with any amount of money you raise. Period.

The fix is in, and this is just a repeat of what has already been done for "the original" Star Trek (TOS ~ it actually succeeded the first time), Battlestar Galactica (sorry "Mormons in Space" got the kill order, but we'll bring back a very PC version of it later, scifi people need a sleeping pill), Stargate (movie was nice, TV show was great till MacGyver got tired), etcetera.

The fate of scifi is prewritten by the great god of hollywood, Monopolis. Hear our prayers Monopolis. Take our humble tithes, and let our devotions be struck down and rejected by your attorneys. Just make sure it gets great press. Let the delphian oracle at "Entertainment Tonight" spread the word. We rose, you responded. We submitted (wtg Pavlov).

XG ~ "did he live with passion?"
-AynchuntGreex

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

MATTMACK

Friday, November 18, 2005 7:16 PM

Well if it were a full say 20 episode season, i'd say maybe £50.

I love to help make this a reality but somethnig like £100 for 1 season is too high. Compare it to other DVD box set prices, like 24, was selling for £45-£50. Think stargate SG1 series sell for about £35-£50.

I'd prefer to pay something like £35 quid but if it was a difference between not getting it and getting it i'd be more than willing to pay £50.

BRING BACK FIREFLY!

"if the stone hits the glass or the glass hits the stone, it ain't the stone thats gona get hurt!"

HERA7

Friday, November 18, 2005 7:34 PM

I'm a new fan since the movie, I didn't have the chance to see the series on TV until recently. But I love the show and movie and I am willing to pledge $250 for start up costs and $250 per season.

NATHANFILLIONFAN

Friday, November 18, 2005 8:17 PM

Put me down for $500 a season. More if I could figure out how to make it a tax write off
Ellen

SCIFIGUY

Friday, November 18, 2005 9:02 PM

have only became a recent convert missed the show the first time round.
probably because of the incompetent and neglectful way it was promoted.
like the movie love the series.
would gladly give £100 pounds if i thought it would end up getting firefly back on the air in a new series.
does anybody know what it would cost to film a new full series?

barry b
ps just curious howmany brits are among the fold.

ONETRANSMISSION

Friday, November 18, 2005 9:10 PM

Put me down for $100

MARC

Friday, November 18, 2005 9:28 PM

Put me down for 100$

NOX2HED

Friday, November 18, 2005 9:39 PM

Sounds like a great idea to me, but reading these posts raised enough technical questions to boggle my mind.

I’m constantly broke, (and it’s not because I’m in Med school, more like I should be in a medical institution), but I ‘d gladly scrape up at least the $40 if I knew it would end up in having results than just vanish into cyberspace.

Forgive my ignorance, but is the idea to register to agree to contribute, and if they receive enough commitments to put it legally into play, or to actually contribute the money and hope that they receive enough dough to actually bake the cake?

By the way, it is being posted on other sites, saw it on sci-fi Firefly BB, haven’t checked browncoats.serenitymovie.com yet, but do know the more sites it’s posted, the greater the response will be.

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Help! I'm standing and I can't fall down.

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CHESHIRE

Friday, November 18, 2005 9:58 PM

$50 per season.

Hey, if there happen to be any interested producers browsing the page, I have one thing to say to you: DVD boxed set sales. If we fans are willing to foot the bill for production of future seasons of Firefly, then you stand to make buckets of money from boxing up the seasons you didn’t have to pay for and selling them right back to us. You know we’re dedicated enough to by a nice DVD boxed set - after all, that’s how Serenity was born!

HELL'S KITTEN

Friday, November 18, 2005 10:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BlackEyedGirl:
To all you trolls who are all 'I've already spent plenty on Joss' I have this to say: Bite me.

That reads a bit nasty. Some of these "trolls" have been loyals fans of the show since it first aired in 2002. How big a fan you are shouldn't be measured by how much money you're willing and able to throw away.

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Not captioned for the sarcasm impaired.

HELL'S KITTEN

Friday, November 18, 2005 10:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by KayleeWannabee:
Surely there's a Browncoat with expertise in film/TV financing??

Somebody who understands the details of how these things happen? Or a Browncoat who knows someone who knows someone whose second cousin's father-in-law works at a TV production company?

Sure, but the problem with "fanatics" is that they won't accept the reality when it's explained to them. So instead, ignore the business and legal reality of the situation, have fun, and enjoy the ride. Who knows what will happen.

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Not captioned for the sarcasm impaired.

FKGRAVITY

Friday, November 18, 2005 11:14 PM

Depending on how much is needed to get this show going, I wouldn't hesitate to throw in anywhere between 1 to 5 hundred dollars. Just bought 2 tennis raquets that costs 235 apiece. I figure this show worths a little more than that.

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Friday, November 18, 2005 11:26 PM

Seriously, if you all bought my book, I could donate a lot more than $100 . . . think about it . . . the book's only $11 . . . and it may give you brief enjoyment, besides. Good Xmas gift.

Like books? Go to this thread: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=14862
to find out how to buy mine!

SHADOWVESSEL

Friday, November 18, 2005 11:35 PM

$200 a season at the drop of Badger's Hat.

However, I'd like to know that it actually gets to Joss and Co. for the NBDS (New Big Damn Show).

Also... I'd kinda want a free DVD set of each season for that much money.

(Gorramn Double Post)
"I'll be in my bunk."

HARSHCRITIC

Friday, November 18, 2005 11:51 PM

I would give $50 per season.

THEANTIREAVER

Saturday, November 19, 2005 1:15 AM

You are absolutely right XeroG. They failed, and I will tell you why.

Star Trek is scifi that alienates a lot of people. You either love it, hate it, or grew up with it, and a whole lot of people hate it and are luke warm on growing up with it. You might even say it has a stigma. And I am talking about the WHOLE franchise in general. Star trek is to me, and from what I gather many other people, the dwarf bread of science fiction; As long as you have it around, there is always something else to consume.

That said, Firefly is different on a lot of levels.
-Fireflys highest approval ratings came from
women, when poled. Star Trek rates highest with
men.
-Firefly has a much gritter less polished theme
-Firefly could be called anti-establishment in so far that the crew of firefly lives by doing things that the characters from Star Trek would toss your ass in the brig for.
-...The core cast is significantly smaller and easier to identify with
- ...There are no aliens, which also make the universe easier to identify with
-...it is far less predictable.

Yes, firefly is Scifi, but it is different more different than any other Trek Scifi out there. FUNDAMENTALLY.

To say otherwise would be to say something so ridiculas that it would be on par with saying Alfred Bester's novels were never widely embraced because they were jazzy existential pulp fiction.

I mean...yeah there is a grain of truth in that...but you are missing so much of the greater picture in your willingness to be pessimistic.

But anyways, I digress. What I meant to say is,

Go bloody nay say and bray about your lost trek flick somewhere else. I told you what I am trying to do, and if you don't want to be a part of it, don't waste my gorram time, sugar.

SAFFRONREYNOLDS

Saturday, November 19, 2005 1:20 AM

$50 for first
$75 for second
$100 for third

www.cafepress.com/malcolmreynolds

THEANTIREAVER

Saturday, November 19, 2005 1:29 AM

I personally am a fan of Kool aid. I also believe that if one decides to indulge in koolaid they should do so at their own risk, carefully guarding their beverage against tampering until consumption is complete, most especially in the company of crazy people. I don't think I am crazy, but the funny thing about crazy people is, most of the time they think they aren't crazy.

On a higher note we are now flying at $38 950 mock pledge dollars.

lets keep going.

If we can have a respectable amount of mock pledge money in 3 months I will start the actual website for collecting cash.

The site will have a contract where I explain in detail my obligations for the cash, and you give information for a refund if need be, But I doubt that will happen. I am doing this with the help of a friend who is a lawyer, and another who is a web designer. The intent of this is to make sure that you can absolutely trust me with that money, and have avenue of legal recourse to do so, until the time comes when I can fork over a big rubber check to Whedon.

But to be frank, it isn't worth my time, or the amount of Fees out of my pocket (yes I am still paying my friends for their time, just not as much as I would a stranger) if I don't have substantial numbers from a mock pledge and have began having dialogue with SciFi and Whedon. I can't have Dialogue with Whedon and SciFi until I have some credibility, SO;

I need the mock pledges and the website as big and bad as it can be. I will work on the website, You guys need to help me with advertising other sites and clueing in other flans. to this thread.

JOLLYLLAMA

Saturday, November 19, 2005 1:56 AM

I'd go to $75 per season, and so would my girlfriend, so make that $150 for this post.

FLETCH2

Saturday, November 19, 2005 1:57 AM

I gave this some thought the first time someone suggested it. Here's what I came up with.

1) Forget about a new TV season -- that would cost in excess of $40M and if we had that kind of money to spend Serenity would have made back what it needed for a sequel already. What we are talking about is a series of direct to DVD movies. SciFi can finace a schlocky TV movie for around $1.5M to get something that looks like Firefly we're talking at least $3M for the first one. If we can't raise that much dough then it's game over.

2) Everything depends on what the deal is between Fox and Universal. Did Uni only buy theatrical rights or did are they allowed to make DVD features too. This is crucial because we need Universal to make this series. Why? Well first up, before the acquisition by NBC Universal was an independent producer. Not tied to any network they will make things for anyone with money. Second and most importantly they have the ship! Fox destroyed their Serenity, so the only folks with prebuilt sets are Universal. I don't want to over state this but when someone says $2M an episode some part of that is a share of the cost of building the initial expensive sets. Serenity from the movie easily cost two or three million dollars which would be the entire production budget for a direct to DVD movie if it had to be built again from scratch. Without those sets I don't think we're in business.

3) Public donations to finance productions is done all the time in the theatre, people that put in money are called "Angels" and if the show is a success they make a profit if not they lose their money. A good entertainment lawyer familiar with theatre financing could probably set up the contracts needed to put this on a proper legal footing. The problem the Enterprise fans had and the reason Paramount panicked is that you can't just collect money and dump a sack of cash on a studio. If Bill Gates wanted a Serenity sequel tomorrow he couldn't just write a check and leave. They won't accept money from an individual or a front organization, they need a proper contract with a proper legal entity.

That being said. If we could organise this. I would invest $500 towards our $3M budget.

THEANTIREAVER

Saturday, November 19, 2005 2:16 AM

1.) I was toying with the idea of just propping the money to Whedon and universal to make a mini series for SciFi's syndication, but the initial idea was that We would finance the pilot for a second season, and whedon would pitch it. If it was another 3 hour long pilot, like serenity was, that may work out well, if a bunch of small networks globally pitch in to the production fund for free syndication later, plus our cash, plus angel cash, plus maybe what universal was already willing to foot for this, we will more than likely have a 2nd series with legs.

2.)You are absolutely right. That was where my first ? was in setting this up. When I can afford to put a lawyer to this, I will.

3.) I have the lawyer , I just need to scrape his fees together. The idea was that in donating people would be signing on to a contract that they did so with the idea that the money was let to me in trust to insure it was put to use doing....(ie Joss Whedon has complete creative control, all characters return are cast as seen in the origenal show...etc. etc... ) what needs to be done in order to insure the pilot of a new series or, depending on the cash gathered, a new season, or a set of mini movies, or what have you.... That way everyone gets what they want within reason, and the cash is given with an outline of what is expected in return.

By the time the cash gets to a studio, We would need to have whedon on board for this with project proposals, then we give them a neat little package, they mull it over, and when I get the green light from Whedon &Co. that the criteria is satisfied, I fork over the cash...if that is not the case, and it looks like it will not be the case, I refund.

This will be done professionally. I have taken and will take many more, great pains to make sure of such...

The two biggest obstacles to this, for me, right now are, getting proof from the fans that this may work so my lawyer and web designer can work in good faith of payment, and then taking the time to figure out how the hell I am going to pay them after their work is done.

So yeah, that's where I am at right now.

RIVER6213

Saturday, November 19, 2005 2:31 AM

Why don't we somehow get Univeral, FOX, and Joss to sponsor just ONE episode?

DOMEGIRL1978

Saturday, November 19, 2005 3:03 AM

100% I would give minimum 100$ probably way more more...I need my firefly fix baby!

So

OBIWAN

Saturday, November 19, 2005 3:07 AM

ANTIREAVER -

Pay no mind to those with narrow vision.

Ambition (and some well placed ignorance) can get things done.

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JEERABLADE

Saturday, November 19, 2005 3:08 AM

$100 /Per Season....NO PROBLEM at all....as long as i am sure i will get the season

FLETCH2

Saturday, November 19, 2005 3:47 AM

1) Forget the idea of a new TV pilot, do you know how many of those are pitched every year? Any idea of how few get made, of those how many less get screened and how many less get picked up? Further forget about SciFi, they had the chance to take Firefly after Fox dumped it and passed.

Their big boss Bonnie Hammer says she wants to move away from "space shows" (which is ironic since her big 3 are space shows.) We only have Firefly on SciFi because someone at Universal realised that Serenity might do better at the box office if someone had actually seen the show. The three shows in SciFi's big night lineup pull in a consistent 2.0+ week in week out and all three have been renewed through 2007. By contrast Firefly pulls in 1.7. If you make TV movies you might get SciFi to buy screening rights at $1-1.5M as they currently do with their schlock horror shows.

2) Other than getting Joss to bless the project there isn't much he can do. He is signed to two movies back to back meaning he wont have the time to do much more than endorse the effort. My thought would be to get Tim Minear involved in some way, possibly paying for a first movie script so that at least we have something for the effort.

3) Like I said I don't think a TV series is likely. If a DVD movie is the direction this ends up going the finances of this thing would have to be very carefully structured. It was the "you send us the money and we'll give it to the creators" rubbish that told Paramount to run away from the Trek fan's screaming. Huge amounts of money are spent by the entertainment industry to sue each other or to avoid being sued. The potential legal costs of a "here's a bag of money" sponsors is enough to put anyone off. It really has to be structured like any other entertainment investor with shares and contracts and the whole mess. It needs an entertainment lawyer to write up --- trust me on this my wife writes scifi, the advice of SFWA is don't ever think of using a family lawyer, this is a specialist job--- but it isn't impossible. Ever sat in a movie and watched 8 or 9 company logos show up before things get started? Some of those companies made the thing, some are vanity companies of the stars (if they have a producer credit) and some just supplied some money. That's what we need to be, one of the ones that supplies money.

DIGITALTRIPPER

Saturday, November 19, 2005 4:16 AM

I'm in for 50.00 Per season....Man it's a bargan to see the show again!!

FIZZ6KITTY

Saturday, November 19, 2005 4:22 AM

I'm in for $100... no problem!

ELGGIN

Saturday, November 19, 2005 4:51 AM

At least $100 a season

More if need be

RIVER6213

Saturday, November 19, 2005 5:05 AM

and the money keeps rolling in...

ETCKNIGHT

Saturday, November 19, 2005 5:32 AM

I'd gladly give $100 if it would help!! Serenity deserves a second chance. Look at all the other crappy shows that they keep on TV, when a quality show like "Firefly" was canceled? What are those TV execs thinking?!

TOMAWEEZI

Saturday, November 19, 2005 6:10 AM

$200

CLERYVEVER

Saturday, November 19, 2005 6:50 AM

First: you're all nuts. I love this grassroots effort. Helluva gesture... but as a televion professional, I can assure you you can't come up with the scratch to get this show back on the air.

As for Whedon:

Quote:
Hell.. he already has given all kinds of lip service to how dedicated he is to the show. How about he back it up with action.

He's not to blame. Firefly simply doesn't have the clout it needs to get picked up again by a network. He made a good effort with the film... hoping to boost interest. But a lackluster performance at the box office proves that Joe Sixpack doesn't want Firefly. The best hope for the future of the series would be a deal with Sci-fi or another cable network like Spike. Sadly, without the network money... it could deal a blow to the high production values that make the show what it is.

Don't get me wrong: I hate it- but that's how TV works. Good to see there are so many die-hard fans. But the amount of money you can put together does not come anywhere near what networks expect for their ad buys.

Firefly will join Sports Night and Strangers With Candy on my shelf of shows that died far before their time.

You have to be grateful that shows that veer from the mainstream get a chance to be made at all, UI suppose.

And for TV sales 101:
Networks expect to make at least 200% profit on first-run programming.

OK: all that being said... keep it up... and you can put me down for $50 for the first new episode.

Just thought we ought to bear in mind what we're up against.

SWITCHY

Saturday, November 19, 2005 7:39 AM

Easily $50 bucks/season. If they we're per episode I'd pay $5 bucks and I know that math works out higher but I wouldn't be able to resist.

SANDRYVALENTINO

Saturday, November 19, 2005 11:18 AM

ID GIVE A TOE PINKY...(who needs 'em anyways! balance shzmalance )

THAT & 250+ DOLLARS pER SEASON!! fIREFLY IS LIKE A DRUG!! i GOTTA GET ME MORE OF THOSE BIG DAMN HEROES AT ANY COST!! + more specifically Kaylee & Simon LooHOove OR lack there of (I didnt see the movie, I learnt of FF TOO LATE) DO THEY EVEN KISS IN THE MOVIE OR JUST XCHANGE CUTESY WORDS BACK AND FORTH?
HOLLA BACK
-SANDRY-

cOUNTIN DOWN THE DAYS TILL DEC 20!!

SCORPIONREGENT

Saturday, November 19, 2005 1:21 PM

Hell! I'll give my first born! Wait a second, I don't have any kids.

Damn! what would Jayne do?

Well I'll pledge any money I can get from a sperm bank. That's got to be a at least a grand.

Scorp

SCORPIONREGENT

Saturday, November 19, 2005 1:39 PM

You have a good point Ghola. The reason it didn't work for them was that they were a bunch of fans waveing around a bunch of pocket change trying to sway Paramount. We on the other hand are a large coalition of who are willing to subsidize a work of art. Now if we were to give all our collected funds to Mr Whedon personally he then could self-produce the series. It wouldn't matter what the corporations had to say about it, at that point it would be his money.

Scorp

HAFTHAND

Saturday, November 19, 2005 1:55 PM

Hmm yes the legality of it all. What are our real aims? What is feasible? Another TV series on a network? Don't know. Too many variables. And besides, if Joss gets the go ahead for a sequel, he and the execs might just satisfy us all with a trilogy.

That being said, you never know what you cn achieve if you don't try. So, against the critics and all odds lets rally and see what we can do.

I would gladly pledge $400. I have it and pledge it and would possibly pledge more if and when we get this off the ground. Plus, think also in these terms. If we were in fact to go ahead with a real scheme to raise money, you have to think Bake Sale mentality. Way back in primary school, you wanted to go on a field trip, well you have a bake sale! We need to think of doing the same thing, with proceeds going to the firefly revolution. People sometimes don't care where the money is going, they just want a cupcake.

Okay so I am using the actual bake sale as a symbol for other things we can do to raise money from outside the fanbase.

Anyway like I said: $400

Love, Ally
'Comfort me with apples for I am sick of love' -Solomon

SEANET1310

Saturday, November 19, 2005 2:39 PM

i would give $150 per season

MEIMEIMEG

Saturday, November 19, 2005 5:12 PM

I just want to say that I have so much admiration for trying something on this scale. I'm a firm believer in the concept that anything worth having takes work and a few risks...sooo, in the spirit of that, I will pledge $200 if this becomes a reality.

However, there are some points I want to make. Not to discourage anybody from this, or trying anything they can, but I think some of the "nay-saying" posts had a few good points.

The problem with this approach is that what it tells the TV execs is that Firefly has a devoted, hard-core fan base. Problem is, they already know this. Hence how the movie happened in the first place. What we need is to show them that this has the potential for a LARGE "casual" fan base. They need to see that this show can reach and excite a really wide, varied audience. Think of the success with Lost. Tons of people watch that show, talk about it at work, etc., and only a small percentage of the viewers are hard-core fans, i.e., going on the websites, buying the extra merchandise, etc. The casual fan base (which is almost always significantly larger than the really devoted fans), the reaching all the various categories of viewership, is what Firefly/Serenity needs to be huge. (This is not to say that we shouldn't make as many of them into hard-core fans as possible -the more, the better for our beloved show =)The fact is, though, most TV viewers are never going to become hard-core fans of anything, even if they watch something every week faithfully.)

What the powers that be need to see, in short, to convince them of this, is huge DVD sales. Getting a sequel to the movie is likely to be a far more manageable feat at this point than bringing back the series. Univeral has already bought the rights to a sequel - they simply need to be convinced that it will be worth it to make. With the movie barely breaking even, the only thing that can save our ship now are getting those DVDs out of the stores and into the hands of the public. Now, I know, everyone here is going to buy a DVD, maybe even a few for Christmas gifts. Great! But what I suggest, for those who can afford it (I don't think anyone should starve, or anything) is to match the pledge you would give here with buying that amount in DVDs. That might equal quite a few DVDs, but the point isn't just sales - it's exposure. Give them as gifts, Christmas or Happy Tuesday gifts, to friends or anonymously (maybe could attach a note to it, like "If you like this movie, you'll love the series it was based on, Firefly." or something) Donate them to charity - lots of charities have fund-raising raffles and need to solicit door prizes from people. Use them as door prizes at your own holiday parties (provided you haven't already converted all your friends =)) Get the word out. If each person you get the movie to (or convince to rent the movie) tells just one person to do the same...well, the ripple effect will be endless. It already started with the great effort on the movie - now we just have to step up our efforts with the DVD. In addition to my $200 pledge here, I pledge that over the next three months (because I'm kinda poor myself, and can't do it all at once) I'm going to spend that much buying Serenity DVDs.

So, yes. Pledge what you can to this list. I think it is a worthy attempt, and it could work. But we know that DVD sales will be the key to anyone in power even looking at something like this. If the fan base is there, it will come. Lets just make sure that fan base is big enough to support it. I want to hear people cussin' in Chinese around the watercooler. =) Keep up the good work, ya'll. W'll do do this!

MOONBUGGY

Saturday, November 19, 2005 5:52 PM

Just signed up to reply here: put me down for $100/season.

I've gotta say, I love the idea of buying shares in the show production - easily worth the risk.

PRETTYPRETTY

Saturday, November 19, 2005 7:08 PM

$100.00

easily the best $100.00 I could ever spend.

Michelle

BRUISERSMOM

Saturday, November 19, 2005 8:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Well, let's review what I've spent $ on so far.

3 DVD box sets

1 Serenity soundtrack CD

1 Firefly soundtrack CD

2 BlueSun T shirts

10 Serenity movie tickets

1 Serenity movie DVD ( Soon, very soon )

So, ask not what I'll give to Joss, because I've given plenty already!

Here! Here!

I've seen the movie multiple times.

I've told everyone that I know who might be interested in Serenity to go and see it.

I've bought all of the action figures.

I've bought reading and collector's copies of the comics.

I've bought the novelization of the movie.

I've bought the book that had the script in it.

I've bought almost all of the trading cards.

I've bought the movie posters.

I've bought the Firefly box set and have the Serenity DVD on pre-order at Amazon.

I've got no more to give.

"You can keep a dog; but it is the cat who keeps people, because cats find humans useful domestic animals."--George Mikes

BRUISERSMOM

Saturday, November 19, 2005 8:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghola:
You guys do realize that Enterprise fans tried doing the same thing (only they were actually pledging real money with PayPal). Paramount's lawyers shot that idea down fast. Sorry to be pessimistic but this aint happening and besides I'd feal kind of guilty if we paid for a full season of a TV show when that money could be used to actually help people (IIRC it cost around $2 million per episode of Firefly).

I heard about that debacle on the news. The guy had to refund everyone their money.

What we really needed were more people to go to the movie and I'm not talking about dedicated Firefly fans going to the movie one more time. I'm talking about people who aren't already fans and who aren't even that into scifi going to the movie. That task was really Universal's. They're the ones with the deep pockets that can buy advertising time around the world and I'm not sure who gets the actors on TV talk shows. I don't know if it's Universal or the actor's agents but we needed them on Regis and Kelly, Oprah, the local news and so forth in order to promote the movie to a mass audience who wouldn't normally go to a scifi movie but would go and see something like Star Wars or Star Trek IV. Then, you have to consider the fact that Joss has two other movies that he's working on and he really wants to do more Serenity movies, not revive the TV show, which is legally tied up for ten years anyway.

Sorry for being a wet blanket but I've heard these calls to action so many times in the year and a half that I've been on Firefly boards that I had to finally say something about them. Up until now, I've just shaken my head and moved on to other threads and now that I've said my piece, I'll go back to doing that very thing.

"You can keep a dog; but it is the cat who keeps people, because cats find humans useful domestic animals."--George Mikes

PHI

Saturday, November 19, 2005 9:10 PM

I love this idea and will say right off the bat, I will scrape under the sofa if need be to find $100.

I am wholeheartedly agreeing, however, with the view that we need to grab attention in the DVD sales and what's more - MEDIA ATTENTION.

There have been shows in the past that have been saved for an extra season or half season (two I can think of immediately) by massive fan support.

BUT, I think one of our major tools in this uprising is the sheer fact that people may think we're slightly mad If this idea takes off in a big way and news of it leaks into mainstream entertainment circles - that generates interest, sadly something that wasn't utilised enough in the original marketing campaign.

Still, I'm the first to admit, we are kind of scary in bulk and us pushing too hard or being seen as too radical, may scare off some potential 'general' viewers. But at the same time, we really have very little to lose and if this can be recognised by the media - well any exposure helps I guess.

So - add my $100 to the list (I will get searching for more). I’ll remove myself from my soap box now .

NEVAKEE

Saturday, November 19, 2005 9:26 PM

That would be 100$ from me, also.
And if there would be a season and DVD-package, i would give a bit more. And I would give the money more happily, if there would be a DVD included anyway, but lets just try to get it started, first ;)

ANONYMOUS1

Saturday, November 19, 2005 11:35 PM

When you figured in my pledge did you figure in that it was per episode?

BLACKEYEDGIRL

Sunday, November 20, 2005 3:22 AM

New total anyone???

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SAFYREICE

Sunday, November 20, 2005 4:13 AM

Can't stop the signal! Put me in for 200.

BELUGASMOM

Sunday, November 20, 2005 4:37 AM

My first posting, anywhere, ever. I have no idea what I'm doing...................I can afford $50. When I win the gorram lottery, it'll be $5,000. And how the hell do I get those little photos in the corner, and a quote at the top?!

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REXJAYNE

Sunday, November 20, 2005 4:53 AM

Ok just to respond to the self-described 'wet blanket'. I appreciate your opinion, and I know we've heard this stuff a hundred times and it's never worked, but what's wrong with a little optimism? Like all really hard things in life, sometimes it takes a hundred failures before you succeed. I for one am not going to dump on this chance just because it's unlikely.

And while I'm at it: Sure you've spent a lot on Serenity stuff. If you can't afford more, that's perfectly fine, but I don't think there's a need to complain that Joss has bled you dry. That was money you spent willingly, and that's all this thread is about. If you happen to have money you're willing to contribute to the cause, great. If not, don't worry about it, but don't dump on us for wanting to.

Oh and by the way, my fiancee pledges 100$ a season as well.

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BOURBON92

Sunday, November 20, 2005 5:40 AM

$50.00 per season easily. probably more if needed.

SHINYHINEYSUPERLIMEY

Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:07 PM

BelugasMom, go to My Firefly in the menu at the top of the homepage. You edit your profile there (on the left).

My mama made it!

KLOUD

Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:12 PM

I would commit suicide 50 times.

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