Little things you noticed in Serenity

POSTED BY: christhecynic
UPDATED: Monday, January 23, 2006 22:41
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CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:44 AM

My dad, who is borrowing my DVD of Serenity called up to say that he just noticed, River takes out just about everyone in the bar with her hands or feet, but Jayne she has to hit twice in the head with something metal.

Jayne really is a tough guy if he was the only one in that bar who required a weapon. I think she just used the gun, when she got it, out of ease.

OMELET

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:48 AM

When I watched the movie with the commentary on it at the part where Mal talks to the Operative after the whole Reaver ordeal, the Operative is completely in dark. Joss said it was to represent how he had become a shadow and, in essence, no longer existed. It thought little subtleties like that really added to the movie to give it an overall better feeling.

Also, it took me many times to hear the backround conversation between Jayne and Zoe after Mal tells Jayne not to bring any grenades. Took me a while to concentrate only on their conversation instead of the ship's backround noises.

Jayne: Are you saying River's a witch?
Wash: Yes, Jayne, she's a witch. She's had congress with the Beast.
Jayne: She's in Congress?
Wash: How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious!

CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:51 AM

Just rewatched it and she also takes out one guy with a chair, one with a bottle and one with a knife.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:59 AM

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Originally posted by chronicthehedgehog:
Just rewatched it and she also takes out one guy with a chair, one with a bottle and one with a knife.

I thought there was a knife. Like I said, the DVD is on loan.

GUNRUNNER

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
My dad, who is borrowing my DVD of Serenity called up to say that he just noticed, River takes out just about everyone in the bar with her hands or feet, but Jayne she has to hit twice in the head with something metal.

Jayne really is a tough guy if he was the only one in that bar who required a weapon. I think she just used the gun, when she got it, out of ease.

IIRC she also hit him in "the junk".

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OMELET

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:03 AM

IIRC she also hit him in "the junk".

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The expression on Jayne's face when River hit him there was just priceless.

Jayne: Are you saying River's a witch?
Wash: Yes, Jayne, she's a witch. She's had congress with the Beast.
Jayne: She's in Congress?
Wash: How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious!

CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by GunRunner:
IIRC she also hit him in "the junk".

I could never tell if she hit him there or grabbed and squeezed. Either way ... ouch.

MISBEHAVIN

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:31 AM

One of the little things I noticed is in the scene where Zoe and Mal discuss why he pushed that villager off the Mule. The sound and lighting are perfectly tied to the ship leaving the atmosphere. Behind the conversation, you hear the buffeting of the ship and the side of Mal's face is lit toward the red end of the scale. Then there's a shot toward the bow where you can briefly see yellowish light from the cockpit. At the exact second the buffeting sound stops, the light on the side of Mal's face shifts blue. Wash comes down from the cockpit and behind him you see the cockpit is now dark against the black of space. There was definately a lot of love that went into the making of Firefly and Serenity - it shows through in details like this.

OMELET

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:43 AM

Also, with regards to the mule scene, they had originally built the thing with five seats. In the movie, Mal says a mule can't run with five. They had to remove one of the seats to actually get it right when the line came, even though I couldn't tell if there were five or four seats on that thing. The effort to get things as accurate as can be really shows in the movie.

Jayne: Are you saying River's a witch?
Wash: Yes, Jayne, she's a witch. She's had congress with the Beast.
Jayne: She's in Congress?
Wash: How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious!

KOZURE

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:49 AM

Probably everyone notices these lines, but I find it particularly poignant when you know the movie well enough:

THE OPERATIVE
There's a lot of innocent people in the air being killed right now.

MAL
You have no idea how true that is.

Another hard to miss moment, but Joss Whedon's director credit comes up during the infamous "one-take" tracking shot in the Serenity introduction sequence just as River says: "... We're going for a ride."

I didn't really notice it in the movie when watching it the first time, but in the Maidenhead bar, Fanty slips the fan dancer some money and she positions herself very carefully to obscure the transaction between the twins and Mal from the ever-present security cams.

As Kaylee walks off Serenity after docking at Beaumonde (just following the infamous "Capissen 38 line"), you can see in the background someone twirling an umbrella identical to the one she was twirling when she met Shepherd Book.

The news broadcast about the Reaver attack on Lilac heard in the background of Maidenhead mention that everyone was killed except for a group of survivors who locked themselves in the vault.

A minor costuming detail that bugs me when I see it is that Jayne's shirt when he's in the Maidenhead has a complete hodgepodge of rank insignia - his shoulder slip-ons indicate he's a corporal, but the insignia on his chest shows that he's a Sergeant First Class. I suppose this could be some creative sewing by Jayne to make his shirt look more impressive, but it bugs me nonetheless. Jayne's indicated in the past he never fought in "no war" - the shirt seems to be a private security uniform. Could be surplus, could be just Jayne sewing on a bunch of insignia on a uniform shirt. He's also put pilot's wings on the left front shirt pocket.

Kozure the Kamikaze Highlander

"...he's our friend, we should honour him."

CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 4:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kozure:
A minor costuming detail that bugs me when I see it is that Jayne's shirt when he's in the Maidenhead has a complete hodgepodge of rank insignia - his shoulder slip-ons indicate he's a corporal, but the insignia on his chest shows that he's a Sergeant First Class. I suppose this could be some creative sewing by Jayne to make his shirt look more impressive, but it bugs me nonetheless. Jayne's indicated in the past he never fought in "no war" - the shirt seems to be a private security uniform. Could be surplus, could be just Jayne sewing on a bunch of insignia on a uniform shirt. He's also put pilot's wings on the left front shirt pocket.

Someone not-me figured this one out. Those are trophies (apparently he gave up on getting an ear.) I guess that you'll see at some point that he also stole the security firm insignia from the guy he knocked out in the bank as well. He never fought in a war, but that didn't stop him from stealing the rank markings of people who did.

DONCOAT

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 4:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kozure:
Probably everyone notices these lines, but I find it particularly poignant when you know the movie well enough:

THE OPERATIVE
There's a lot of innocent people in the air being killed right now.

MAL
You have no idea how true that is.

Just to make it explicit, this line of Mal's has at least two equally-poignant meanings.

First, of course, is the reference to Wash.

But Mal may also be referring to another set of "deaths in the air": the Reavers who are dying in the space battle.

How can Reavers qualify as innocent? Mal answers that in his next lines: "I know the secret. The truth that burned up River Tam's brain..." Mal knows that the Reavers are innocent victims of the Miranda experiment, just as much as the people who did lie down.

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SAMEERTIA

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 4:41 PM

How many Big Red Buttons did people find?
I think I'm at four...

ANDRE83

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 4:47 PM

Nah, its only in reference to the reavers. Wash has nothing to do with that. He is long gone, and wasnt killed in the air anyway.

Jayne: All those years of preacher training, getting knocked out by one bounty hunter
Book: Oh, dont get me wrong. I gave him a hell of a fight
Jayne: Epic i'm guessing

JERRYT

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by misbehavin:
One of the little things I noticed is in the scene where Zoe and Mal discuss why he pushed that villager off the Mule. The sound and lighting are perfectly tied to the ship leaving the atmosphere. Behind the conversation, you hear the buffeting of the ship and the side of Mal's face is lit toward the red end of the scale. Then there's a shot toward the bow where you can briefly see yellowish light from the cockpit. At the exact second the buffeting sound stops, the light on the side of Mal's face shifts blue. Wash comes down from the cockpit and behind him you see the cockpit is now dark against the black of space. There was definately a lot of love that went into the making of Firefly and Serenity - it shows through in details like this.

That is one of my little nits with the movie.

Spacecraft don't burn leaving the atmosphere, just on re-entry from the speed/friction. I could see it if they were doing a full burn like in the pilot when they were running from the Reavers, but I wouldn't think normal takeoff thrust would provide enough speed to cause this.

Of course, maybe Kaylee hot rodded the engine to provide enough speed to cause this on takeoff.

JerryT
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"I'll be in my bunk"

CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jerryt:
That is one of my little nits with the movie.

Spacecraft don't burn leaving the atmosphere, just on re-entry from the speed/friction. I could see it if they were doing a full burn like in the pilot when they were running from the Reavers, but I wouldn't think normal takeoff thrust would provide enough speed to cause this.

I think they might have been pulling a good old fashioned, "Run like hell," after all there were Reavers. If they aren't going to be chased on account of running I'd think they'd want to get out of there fast.

Same goes for leaving Miranda, they're in a hurry.

You'll notice that they don't burn when leaving the atmosphere other times, so I think it's safe to assume they were going very, very fast.

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Btw, I have nothing against someone spotting a mistake, but if there is an explantion that makes sense I prefer to go with that.

DONCOAT

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:05 AM

Actually, the amount of frictional heating during ascent is a function of several factors. It is most definitely a consideration in the design of actual spacecraft, though less so than the heat of reentry.

To achieve Earth orbit, you have to gain a velocity of something like 15000 miles/hour. You have to lose the same amount to return to Earth. The difference, of course, is that virtually all the braking is done by atmospheric friction so you don't have to burn fuel to slow down (which means you don't have to lift that fuel into orbit).

During ascent, you have some control over where you gain most of that speed. That is, you can accelerate relatively slowly in the lower atmosphere, where the air is thickest, and gain most of the speed after you're above most of it. But there are limits and tradeoffs. Practical spacecraft do get going pretty darn fast while they're still low enough to experience significant frictional heating. They're just designed to deal with that heating during that time. But exposed human bodies aren't. They would certainly be incinerated and/or torn to bits if they were, for instance, strapped to the nose of the Shuttle during launch.

Now, of course, all this applies to current technologies. Presumably things will have changed by the time of Firefly, so maybe they would be able to ascend relatively slowly up to an altitude where heating would be minimal (hence the skeleton-only results). This would cost a lot of extra fuel, certainly, but perhaps that's acceptable. What's harder to accept is that they'd be willing to take the extra time to do this. It could take a couple hours to get out of atmo if you had to keep it under, say, 50mph.

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I don't disagree on any particular point.

UNSARDONIC

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by misbehavin:
the side of Mal's face is lit toward the red end of the scale. Then there's a shot toward the bow where you can briefly see yellowish light from the cockpit. At the exact second the buffeting sound stops, the light on the side of Mal's face shifts blue. Wash comes down from the cockpit and behind him you see the cockpit is now dark against the black of space. There was definately a lot of love that went into the making of Firefly and Serenity - it shows through in details like this.

Yup...

Joss (in his feature commentary - HIGHly recommended) constantly gives props to Jack Green (the DP) for being the genius behind the subtle & expressive lighting, giving away tons of details on how he did it and, also, how efficiently he did it, vs. how lengthy (read, "expensive") the same process would have been on any other shoot.

Now, for those of you little-thing-noticers who haven't visited imdb's "Serenity" pages yet, I've taken the liberty of including their trivia listings here(with), below (andsoforth) etcetc... etc:

TRIVIA FOR SERENITY (2005)

* Universal Studios took the unusual step of allowing early previews of the unfinished film. The 5 May 2005 previews were held in 10 cities, the 26 May 2005 previews were held in 20 cities, and the 23 June 2005 previews were held in 35 cities. An early preview was also held on the Gold Coast, Qld, Australia on Friday 22 July 2005

* Two wrecked ships are shown with the registration numbers C57D, a reference to Forbidden Planet (1956). [UNSARDONIC: Joss does seem to like to pay tribute to his influences - bless the man for his eclectism (which, as I have mentioned in another post, is its own reward) - I mean, "Forbidden Planet" is as seminally formative as movies go for today's modern science-fiction. One trope I might mention (speaking about his influences) (because I haven't see anyone else do this one yet) is... did you notice how the planet/town where the bar fight sequence occurs, the one outting River(?), looks like the section of "Blade Runner" where Deckard has his noodle-bowl lunch? I almost expect Rutger Hauer to come stalking through with raccoon-eyeshadow makeup.] Jayne points out the first one as they explore. The second is the rescue ship, the source of the beacon.

* A coffee maker seen in Serenity's dining room/kitchen is an F.A. Porsche Design coffee maker made by Siemens.

* The futuristic-looking handcuffs used on River are in fact Clejuso Number 13s, the second heaviest handcuffs currently in production.

* When the Operative reviews Mal's file, it shows his Date of Birth as 9/20/2468. 9/20/2002 is the day Firefly premiered.

* The keyboard Mal uses to transmit the signal from Mr. Universe's basement is a Micro Innovations Web Office Pro Keyboard.

* One of the video clips playing on the monitors in Mr Universe's base is the Blue Sun commercial from the "Firefly" (2002/I) episode "The Message".

* This is the first film for which a digital cinema distribution master was made using the new DCI standards using JPEG2000 compression and a 12 bit 4:4:4 XYZ color space.

* During the intro scene, the teacher says in Mandarin, "Please, quiet down a bit."

>>> WARNING: Here Be Spoilers <<<
Trivia items below here contain information that may give away important plot points. You may not want to read any further if you've not already seen this title.

* SPOILER: According to the Q&A with Joss Whedon and the cast after the premiere at the Edinburgh International Film Festival, there were at least 20 separate takes of the final make-out scene between Simon and Kaylee in the engine room, with take #20 being the one used in the final cut.

* SPOILER: During the funeral scene, Kaylee wears a medallion with the Chinese symbol for joy/happiness/cheer, a symbol often used in weddings.

I dunno... somethingsomethingsometing "or your friends will think you're a stupid, inbred stack of meat."

:biggrin"

ANDRE83

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:10 PM

Ok, this is Serentiy (the pilot) but still :P

I just noticed that when they first land on Perephone, Kaylee tells Mal that she needs a new catalysor (no idea how to spell it). But he refuses. This is the same part that busts in episode 8 :D

Its all your fault Mal!!! :P

Jayne: All those years of preacher training, getting knocked out by one bounty hunter
Book: Oh, dont get me wrong. I gave him a hell of a fight
Jayne: Epic i'm guessing

JAYRO

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:49 PM

In one of River's flashbacks, we see the teacher telling the children to lie down, and the class obeying without fuss. Is this her subconscious brain interpreting or 'acting out' what it knows about the Miranda population?

Also, River is the only one who rebels againt the teacher's command - she has an 'aggressor' response, just like the tenth of a percent who turned into Reavers. Is this a metaphor, or is it suggesting that River, had she been raised on Miranda, would have become a Reaver herself?

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"We're meddlesome." - River Tam

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:07 PM

Well, being geographically challenged and not having the official DVD available yet (I live in Ireland) I have to hang on a while longer. But one thing I want to look at is ~every~ ~single~ ~One~ of Mr. Univers' screens. I have to see what's on those! The Lovebot wedding footage had me giggling in the cinema.

DONCOAT

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:09 PM

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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
The Lovebot wedding footage had me giggling in the cinema.

Like a happy well-fed baby?

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JERRYT

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:33 PM

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* SPOILER: According to the Q&A with Joss Whedon and the cast after the premiere at the Edinburgh International Film Festival, there were at least 20 separate takes of the final make-out scene between Simon and Kaylee in the engine room, with take #20 being the one used in the final cut.

Lol, Sean, you dog you!

Sean: Hmmm, I don't think I quite got that right Joss, lets do it again... Nope, maybe one more time... No, still not quite right.

JerryT
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EST120

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:20 PM

Lots of things I missed the first time that have already been mentioned. One that I can think of, though is when the crew is getting ready to leave the ship to steal the money. Kaylee is under the hovercraft and you can see her image is blurry and wavy like something is coming out of the bottom of the hovercraft to make it float. Always liked that.

UNSARDONIC

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Andre83:
when they first land on Perephone, Kaylee tells Mal that she needs a new catalysor (no idea how to spell it). But he refuses. This is the same part that busts in episode 8 :D

Its all your fault Mal!!! :P

I should've noticed this good point, too. And you'll note, when Mal told Kaylee (at the opening of "Serenity," the film) that she'd told him last week that the catalyzer would hold that long, she responds saying, "That was 6 months ago, cap'n." And, it's well known that the timeline between the end of the TV series & the beginning of the BDM was between 5 & 6 months.

Forgive me if someone else already posted this pointlet

Forgive me, you DUDES!! FORGIVE Me!! "or your friends will think you're stupid, inbred stacks of meat."

UNSARDONIC

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jerryt:
Lol, Sean, you dog you!
Sean: Hmmm, I don't think I quite got that right Joss, lets do it again... Nope, maybe one more time... No, still not quite right.

HAH!
There is the school-of-thought that holds that your scenario is, essentially, correct but, instead of crediting the line to Sean, it should be credited to Jewel.

I mean, how many times have you heard the girls on this forum moon on, endlessly, relentlessly, seemingly neverendingly - I do mean, for hours, days, weeks, even months at a time - without remorse, guilt, shame, a

, regret or, apparently, anything else better to do with their time... ( I could go on) (should I?) (oh... I guess I'll stop...) about how physically perfect Sean Maher is as a masculine specimen, eh?

The possibility exists that the man actually 'pitches-for-the-other-team,' as it were and just happens to be a great actor. Of course, I don't know any of these nice people so... these are all speculations for the sake of, umm... speculatin'...

Ooh... ooh(!)... watch the scenario unfold that that IS the case and all the retakes were due to Joss, ie., "Damn it Sean, kiss her aGAIN - but this time get it RIGHT! Pretend she's your boyfriend, dammit!!." Or ... that scenario IS correct & Joss was just torturing Sean by making him redo it over & over, although each take was equally as good as the others.

Kiss her again(!) you DUDES, KISS HER AGAIN(!!!) "or your friends will think you're stupid, inbred stacks of meat."

DONCOAT

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:54 PM

[** volunteers to kiss Jewel again **]

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I don't disagree on any particular point.

DONCOAT

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:55 PM

[** Gol-durn double posts... **]

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I don't disagree on any particular point.

SHINYFLY

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:55 PM

Semi-sorta on the subject...about the references to catalizers...watching Ariel the other night I noticed something. In the scene where Wash and Kaylee are in the junk yard looking for parts, it looks like Wash picks up one of the infamous catalizers and tosses it at the soon to be med copter.If someone's posted this before, my utmost respect. Still, it's a neat little detail.

"Catalizer's a nothin' part Captain." "'Til you ain't got one, and it appears to be everything." (Out of Gas)

OMELET

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Unsardonic:

I mean, how many times have you heard the girls on this forum moon on, endlessly, relentlessly, seemingly neverendingly - I do mean, for hours, days, weeks, even months at a time - without remorse, guilt, shame, a , regret or, apparently, anything else better to do with their time... ( I could go on) (should I?) (oh... I guess I'll stop...) about how physically perfect Sean Maher is as a masculine specimen, eh?

I happen to be one of those gals. His body is just so good. Anyways, I was reading some interview with Joss in it, with Empire(it's in one of the threads here) and he said something that they gave Sean a nickname: Sean "The Bod" Maher. Now why couldn't I be Jewel for about five minutes there.

Jayne: Are you saying River's a witch?
Wash: Yes, Jayne, she's a witch. She's had congress with the Beast.
Jayne: She's in Congress?
Wash: How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious!

NOSADSEVEN

Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:45 AM

Some catalyzer clarifications:

Quote:
Originally posted by Andre83:
when they first land on Perephone, Kaylee tells Mal that she needs a new catalysor (no idea how to spell it). But he refuses. This is the same part that busts in episode 8 :D

Its all your fault Mal!!! :P

Actually I think she was asking him for a new compression coil, but your point is still correct because the catalyzer is the part of the compression coil that blew.

Quote:
Originally posted by Unsardonic:
And you'll note, when Mal told Kaylee (at the opening of "Serenity," the film) that she'd told him last week that the catalyzer would hold that long, she responds saying, "That was 6 months ago, cap'n." And, it's well known that the timeline between the end of the TV series & the beginning of the BDM was between 5 & 6 months.

Here they were actually discussing the "entry coupling".

On a different note, the series-to-movie timeline inconsistancies damage my calm. They can probably be wanked out, but never quite to my satisfaction...

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GAIJINFLYER

Thursday, January 12, 2006 2:22 AM

I found something on Mr. Universe's underground secret transmitter platform, when Mal and the Operative are fighting.

After Mal gets stabbed, they cut away to the crew and when the film returns to Mal he falls to the plexiglass floor.

This looks just like the beginning sequence from 'Out of Gas'. It has the same perspective, same orientation and the same thud factor! I think it had to be deliberate (maybe just the cinematographer, and not even Joss). Joss didn't mention it in the commentary.

What think you?

WILDBILL

Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:50 AM

During Mal's "Big Speech" there is a book laying on Jayne's gun in front of him. Book's Bible? Thats's my thinking.

UNSARDONIC

Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by nosadseven:
I think she was asking him for a new compression coil, but your point is still correct because the catalyzer is the part of the compression coil that blew.

Quote:
Originally posted by Unsardonic:
Here they were actually discussing the "entry coupling".

On a different note, the series-to-movie timeline inconsistancies damage my calm. They can probably be wanked out, but never quite to my satisfaction...

Ah-HAH! Thanks for that; now that you have put those syllables back into my frontal lobes, I recall that your memory is better than mine. I fear mine was based solely on 9 theatrical viewings, which HAVE been, well... a few months, as it were. Sad... because it would have made such a nifty little s-t-m timeline... thing... a lovely fluid sorta continuity

Give me series-to-movie continuity "or your friends will think you're a stupid, inbred stack of meat."

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UNSARDONIC

Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Omelet:
I happen to be one of those gals. His body is just so good. ... Now why couldn't I be Jewel for about five minutes there.

Hehheh... see what I mean by "No shame?"

Luckily you're an "omelet," which kind of implies cohesiveness & togetherness - as opposed to 'SCRAMbled' eggs, I mean

Ooh-ooh(!), (& while I'm analogyzing), it's good you're not hard-boiled

...I know, I know, the "pun"ishment is hard to take

somethingsomethingsomething... "or your friends will think you're a stupid, inbred stack of meat."

UNSARDONIC

Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by GaijinFlyer:
This looks just like the beginning sequence from 'Out of Gas'. It has the same perspective, same orientation and the same thud factor! ... What think you?

Hmmm... despite how many times I've seen it, this trope should've been obvious (it wasn't, to me, anyway). Now I won't be able to keep it out of my head

UNSARDONIC

Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by wildbill:
During Mal's "Big Speech" there is a book laying on Jayne's gun in front of him. Book's Bible? Thats's my thinking.

Checked this out very closely &, I do believe you're correct

SINGATE

Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:09 AM

Anybody else notice the absence of Vera in the movie. You would think the seriousness of the situation would require Jayne to bring out his best.

KATRIC

Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:43 AM

Kozure,
Jayne's shirt has his "souveniors" from either kills or knock outs. Mal's not going to let him, "take an ear". In the robbery scene after Jayne knocks out the security guard he rips the man's shirt open displaying a blue patch. If you look closely as he's walking to the vault it looks like Jayne is putting something in his right pocket. The man's patch. Later in the bar that same patch is on Jayne's shirt. (my guess anyway)

katric

VALICK

Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:06 AM

During the fruity oaty bar song you can actually see the code flash on the octopus for a second. Also, when they have to "glide" into the hangar, a brief flash shows the Mule's wires snapping.

BWARE42

Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:53 AM

In the movie, I noticed that the flight crew in the hangar at Beaumont (sp?) wore orange uniforms that looked like the Wholeness Army from "The Postman." One of them had the 8 patch right on the sleeve. I may be wrong, but since they used the battle armor from Starship Troopers for the purple bellies in Firefly, maybe they raided another costume closet for Serenity...

UNSARDONIC

Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BWare42:
but since they used the battle armor from Starship Troopers for the purple bellies in Firefly,

Huh... I never thought about that before... but I always had the subliminal feeling in watching the Battle of Serenity Valley scenes... that I was watching a remake of "Starship Troopers." The landscape, lighting, the big ships in the sky, the nature of explosive flashes... I almost expected the bugs to show up around a rock. Before it was just a shadow-lurking-in-the-back-of-my-mind but now, you've helped make it a conscious awareness that'll always be there. I wonder if Joss did this on purpose?

'Join the forces of bug-crushing freedom' "or your friends will think you're a stupid, inbred stack of meat."

COOKIEJAR

Thursday, January 12, 2006 2:03 PM

One of the things that I noticed in Serenity was all the little phrases that River would say. First time through it meant absolutely nothing. But watching it again you go OOHHH that's what she was saying. Like when they kill the Reaver after the mule chase and she says "He didn't lie down, they never do" All of a sudden it just made sense. I just love it stuff like that. It really adds depth to the movie.

DONCOAT

Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:51 PM

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Originally posted by CookieJar:
One of the things that I noticed in Serenity was all the little phrases that River would say. First time through it meant absolutely nothing. But watching it again you go OOHHH that's what she was saying. Like when they kill the Reaver after the mule chase and she says "He didn't lie down, they never do" All of a sudden it just made sense. I just love it stuff like that. It really adds depth to the movie.

Another one is the "old men covered in blood" line in the storage locker scene with Simon.

Cookie, along the same lines, I've noticed than many of River's most cryptic comments from the series now make much more sense -- you might try watching for them on your next viewing.

I'm thinking especially about two lines. One includes the phrases "they come out of the black, they come when you call". The other is from Ariel -- it's the line about taking Christmas away and leaving only coal. I think these can both be interpreted as referring to her secret knowledge about the Reavers.

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UNSARDONIC

Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:59 PM

...along the lines of River's cryptic declarations: that's one of the first things that attracted me to the show when it first aired on Fox. That is, I was taken with the show immediately - I believe the scene of Mal being pitched out of a hologram of a saloon window on "Unification Day," hooked me instantly (and then Wash makes his "Grand Entrance, " oh YEAH!) - but, the methods whereby River's character was expanded during the early episodes, had me captivated. I couldn't think of another character on television like her & I was constantly paying attention to her (very rare) pronouncements. Particularly loved her efforts to "repair" Book's bible. And then, of course... her blossoming on the BDM, WOW!

This has become a particularly satisfying thread to me - I've learned a lot about little things I missed... things I'll be watching for now. Thanks you guys

It's clear that none of you "are stupid, inbred stacks of meat."

OMELET

Friday, January 13, 2006 12:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Unsardonic:
Quote:
Originally posted by Omelet:
I happen to be one of those gals. His body is just so good. ... Now why couldn't I be Jewel for about five minutes there.

Hehheh... see what I mean by "No shame?" Luckily you're an "omelet," which kind of implies cohesiveness & togetherness - as opposed to 'SCRAMbled' eggs, I mean Ooh-ooh(!), (& while I'm analogyzing), it's good you're not hard-boiled ...I know, I know, the "pun"ishment is hard to take

You're absolutely friggin right I got no shame. About the cohesiveness though, it really not there. In fact, my name is a total lie. I'm as sane as a person smoking with a tank of oxygen,

,which isn't very.

By the way, very funny comment. If it weren't for the damned mood swings, I would have fallen out of my chair. For now, I'm just crying and laughing at the same time.

Jayne: Are you saying River's a witch?
Wash: Yes, Jayne, she's a witch. She's had congress with the Beast.
Jayne: She's in Congress?
Wash: How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious!

CHRISTHECYNIC

Friday, January 13, 2006 12:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Andre83:
Ok, this is Serentiy (the pilot) but still :P

I just noticed that when they first land on Perephone, Kaylee tells Mal that she needs a new catalysor (no idea how to spell it). But he refuses. This is the same part that busts in episode 8 :D

Its all your fault Mal!!! :P

In the original, unfinished, cut of Serenity that scene was a little longer, and Mal told Wash to go out and buy one.

Also, it was the catalizer on the compression coil, when the engine room was a mess in the Train Job Kaylee said it was becasue somebody wouldn't replace the crappy compression coil.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Friday, January 13, 2006 12:49 AM

One thing that I didn't notice, was that Mal puts his hand on Mr. Universe's shoulder. Joss said that Nathan insisted that was what Mal would do, and I agree.

I always liked the character of Mr. Universe, at first I was turned off by his betrayal, but then he crawls across the floor with a sword induced hole in him to get the signal out, and he too was a believer, his last words, "They can never stop the signal."

The second time seeing the movie I noticed that the way he was acting on the wave where he's setting them up for the operative seemed out of character for him, and if it seemed out of character to me after seeing him in character for all of two scenes the crew must have picked up on it.

It wasn't a betrayal, it was the closest thing to a warning he could manage.

And more to the point, he crawled across the floor and left a message to Mal AFTER BEING RUN THROUGH WITH A SWORD. I think it's great that even though he's in a hurry, even though there are more important things going on, Mal takes one (short) moment to show Mr. Universe respect and the personal nature of it seemed perfect.

DONCOAT

Friday, January 13, 2006 3:25 AM

In the Maidenhead bar, after River drops her coat, she takes one or two graceful steps and lets her first victim have it with a swift kick to the face.

The guy must have been in the middle of taking a drink, because something shatters into a zillion shards when she hits him. It's either his glass, or the poor guy's gonna have a major bill for dental work.

Either way, that's gotta smart.

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DONCOAT

Friday, January 13, 2006 3:28 AM

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Originally posted by christhecynic:
And more to the point, he crawled across the floor and left a message to Mal AFTER BEING RUN THROUGH WITH A SWORD.

Quite some time afterward, too -- he had to wait until the soldiers finished smashing his gear and then cleared out. Something tells me Mr. U was ruttin' determined.

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MIR

Friday, January 13, 2006 4:17 AM

I always thought this was just Rivers mind showing her what kind of things happened on Miranda. I thought her response was more along the lines of trying to get everyone to resist so they wouldn't die. This does illustrate her conection to the Reavers well though.

ANDRE83

Friday, January 13, 2006 8:35 AM

QUOTE]I'm thinking especially about two lines. One includes the phrases "they come out of the black, they come when you call". The other is from Ariel -- it's the line about taking Christmas away and leaving only coal. I think these can both be interpreted as referring to her secret knowledge about the Reavers.

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I don't disagree on any particular point.

I always assumed that the line "they come when you call" was something of a warning about the federal marshalls waiting outside.

Not to rain on Joss - but i dont think he even had it figured out that River would have that secret at that point. Who knows.

I think most of her random lines comes from reading someones minds. Not the reavers. Or "quoting" the reavers.

Jayne: All those years of preacher training, getting knocked out by one bounty hunter
Book: Oh, dont get me wrong. I gave him a hell of a fight
Jayne: Epic i'm guessing

CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG

Friday, January 13, 2006 8:22 PM

Mr. Universe is paid "30 coin" to betray Mal. Not a long step from 30 pieces of silver.

MISBEHAVIN

Friday, January 13, 2006 8:53 PM

While watching "Objects in Space" again I noticed something in the scene where Jubal Early reads the wanted poster for River and Simon. It's printed on transparent plastic and you can read it from the back. This is very small and probably coincidental, but as I paused the DVD on this frame I noted that River's name spelled backwards could conceivably be pronounced "Reaver." I recall seeing somewhere that Joss puts a lot of thought into names, and I think it at least to be an interesting coincidence if nothing else, considering that River is the perfect weapon against them.

UNSARDONIC

Friday, January 13, 2006 9:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Omelet:
By the way, very funny comment. If it weren't for the damned mood swings, I would have fallen out of my chair. For now, I'm just crying and laughing at the same time.

hehheh...

...'s all part of The Service

glad i could help. BTW, VERY good trick that ...laughin'/cryin' simultaneously thing ...makes me think of today's "Ballard Street," q.v., http://www.comics.com/creators/ballardst/index.html (that's date sensitive - only good for today, ummm... "Friday the 13th") - I couldn't figure out how to include the whole image in this post but... couldn't do it.

I DID try to reply yesterday but, for some reason fireflyfans.net simply would not work for me (??) I mean, I could see everyone's posts but, for some reason, it categorically refused to allow me to reply. Sorry...

Always eager to provide The Service so I don't revert into "stupid, inbred stacks of meat"-hood

OMELET

Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Unsardonic:
Quote:
Originally posted by Omelet:
By the way, very funny comment. If it weren't for the damned mood swings, I would have fallen out of my chair. For now, I'm just crying and laughing at the same time.

hehheh... ...'s all part of The Service glad i could help. BTW, VERY good trick that ...laughin'/cryin' simultaneously thing ...makes me think of today's "Ballard Street," q.v., http://www.comics.com/creators/ballardst/index.html (that's date sensitive - only good for today, ummm... "Friday the 13th") - I couldn't figure out how to include the whole image in this post but... couldn't do it.

I DID try to reply yesterday but, for some reason fireflyfans.net simply would not work for me (??) I mean, I could see everyone's posts but, for some reason, it categorically refused to allow me to reply. Sorry...

Always eager to provide The Service so I don't revert into "stupid, inbred stacks of meat"-hood

Haha. That's a funny pic there, though my mood swings persist. Usually to stop them by others means I usually resort to watching Firefly, specifically Sean Maher, to help me get through this time of the month. Instead of lashing out random anger at people, I'm now sobbing and laughing.

Jayne: Are you saying River's a witch?
Wash: Yes, Jayne, she's a witch. She's had congress with the Beast.
Jayne: She's in Congress?
Wash: How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious!

ETHAN

Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:42 AM

Did anyone notice in Objects In Space, when we briefly see Jayne shifting in his bed, there is a huge honking drool puddle on his pillow?

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Sssssssummer Glau!

CAIUS

Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chronicthehedgehog:
The Operative is paid "30 coin" to betray Mal. Not a long step from 30 pieces of silver.

You mean Mr. Universe. However IMHO his tone when he says this is clearly sarcastic.

UNSARDONIC

Saturday, January 14, 2006 2:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Omelet:
...though my mood swings persist. Usually to stop them by others means I usually resort to watching Firefly, specifically Sean Maher, to help me get through this time of the month...

Ah... y'know, for an allegedly "perceptive" person, ya'd think I'd have figured out your "good trick" of simultaneous laughing/crying... my sympathies, actually.

If it's any consolation, I have encountered Sean, actually, shopping in my local grocery store (I have mentioned elsewhere I live on the Sunset Strip). It was morning so the store was mainly empty & he was checking out, the only person there. I got in line behind him and... well.. I hadn't recognized him, y'see(?). All I saw was a handsome young man checking out, dressed all in white.

I didn't recognize him because of the hair: it was a big, spiky poof of dry, black hair & I didn't think about it... then he talked &, By Gawd, 'if it isn't Simon Tam,' I thought. So I looked closely at him and, sure enough, it was him - it's just, I guess he doesn't keep that wet, combed-back Simon hair in real life, eh? Anyway, he seemed really shy or reserved to me, like he would be uncomfortable with strangers coming up & recognizing him & introducing themselves, especially as he was in the middle of a complex function... perhaps it had already happened enough to him to make him uncomfortable so, he seemed edgy & I just respected his space & let him do his thing.

Now, since then, I've regretted that reserve on my part - you'd think I could have at least thanked him for bringing us Simon, I realized later... Or perhaps been a little more flip and asked him if he was headed to a "THX-1138" theme party... That was because of the all-white thing: he wore a plush white sweater, white pants & matching white shoes and had a cartful of orchid plants, all blooming with dozens of flowers & every single one of them were white - it was quite a striking image; made me wish for a camera.

I actually did think... "a wedding" or "a funeral" but, a "THX-1138 theme party," would have at least been funny. On the other hand, if it was a funeral, "funny" might have been really uncomfortable, eh? And the possibility of a funeral might have been what was behind his discomfort. Of course, for all I know, that's just how he dresses in civilian life & he happens to like lots of white orchids, who knows(?), all I know is, I still regret not thanking him for bringing us Dr. Tam

freakin' THANK the actors, ya DUDES

, THANK 'EM!! "or your friends will think you're a stupid, inbred stack of meat."

KTHSCHERER

Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:20 AM

Just curious if anyone else has noticed this. (If it's been posted, I've missed it.)

In the scene on Miranda when River is reacting to what has happened on the planet and the camera is circling her (chapter 14 starting at 1:16:26 if you have the DVD), right after saying "please get up" she seems to start talking in Chinese but actually says "oh, Sean Maher" when Simon touches her back (1:16:49) and then moves on to Chinese (or at least I think it's Chinese).

Very subtle. Very fun.

25MYTURN25

Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:46 AM

Wow I didn't hear that I will be sure to check it out when I watch the movie next, which knowing me will probably be soon!!! hahahaha

Mal: He'll kill you, kill every last one of them if it comes to that and he he'll sleep well that night.
Nandi: Rance Burgess is just a man, and I wont let any man take what's mine. I doubt you'de do differently in my position.
Mal well lady. . .You're my kind of stupid

25MYTURN25

Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:47 AM

Wow I didn't hear that I will be sure to check it out when I watch the movie next, which knowing me will probably be soon!!! hahahaha

Mal: He'll kill you, kill every last one of them if it comes to that and he he'll sleep well that night.
Nandi: Rance Burgess is just a man, and I wont let any man take what's mine. I doubt you'de do differently in my position.
Mal: well lady. . .You're my kind of stupid

UNSARDONIC

Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by KthScherer:
right after saying "please get up" she seems to start talking in Chinese but actually says "oh, Sean Maher" when Simon touches her back (1:16:49) and then moves on to Chinese (or at least I think it's Chinese).

Well, "yeah... y'know what(?)," to quote Nicole Sullivan's 'Vancome Lady' from "Mad-TV" ... it WOULD be subtle, but it is, in fact, Chinese, specifically, as transliterated by Ying's Pinyinary's "Serenity" page ( http://fireflychinese.home.att.net/movie1.html),
"WUOshang mayer, maysheen, BYEN shr-to"

I mean, that certainly seems as if she would be saying, "Sean Maher," if you look at the transliteration's section, "WUOshang mayer..." Ying translates all of that particular phrase as meaning, "I will close my ears and my heart and I will be a stone," which is pretty much, what River utters immediately after, translating the Chinese to English in the same speech.

Sorry to bubbleburst

HOHOHO

DONCOAT

Saturday, January 14, 2006 2:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Unsardonic:
... it WOULD be subtle, but it is, in fact, Chinese, specifically, as transliterated by Ying's Pinyinary's "Serenity" page ( http://fireflychinese.home.att.net/movie1.html),
"WUOshang mayer, maysheen, BYEN shr-to"

... which is identical to the transliteration in the Visual Companion. I would imagine that Josh wrote the line in English and had it translated. I wonder if anyone noticed the similarity in sound to Sean's name?

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KTHSCHERER

Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Unsardonic:
Quote:
Originally posted by KthScherer:
right after saying "please get up" she seems to start talking in Chinese but actually says "oh, Sean Maher" when Simon touches her back (1:16:49) and then moves on to Chinese (or at least I think it's Chinese).

Well, "yeah... y'know what(?)," to quote Nicole Sullivan's 'Vancome Lady' from "Mad-TV" ... it WOULD be subtle, but it is, in fact, Chinese, specifically, as transliterated by Ying's Pinyinary's "Serenity" page ( http://fireflychinese.home.att.net/movie1.html),
"WUOshang mayer, maysheen, BYEN shr-to"

I mean, that certainly seems as if she would be saying, "Sean Maher," if you look at the transliteration's section, "WUOshang mayer..." Ying translates all of that particular phrase as meaning, "I will close my ears and my heart and I will be a stone," which is pretty much, what River utters immediately after, translating the Chinese to English in the same speech.

Sorry to bubbleburst

HOHOHO

Sigh. Bubble burst duly noted.

So much for my first post.

(And thanks. I figured if I posted I'd find out if I was right or not. Didn't think I'd find out so quickly, though!)

So it may not be subtle or non-subtle or anything at all really, but I still find it fun!

CHRISTHECYNIC

Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by KthScherer:
So much for my first post.

How did I miss it (who am I kidding? I miss it all the time.)

People should say something on their first posst so people know they're new here. Every new person deserves a welcome, I've got the first four words perfected:

Welcome here, we're weird.

After that comes the hazy bit, first thing I need to tell you is spread the word about Serenity and Firefly because it is the only way we can hope to get more.

After that all I have to say is this is a great place, everyone is happy to have a new person and no one will look down on you for being new. Please post any time you have a thought you'd like to share, the people here are great, and smart too. Some of the most rewarding debates I've had in my life were here and there is always something new to read.

This is really like a home and even though you'll (probably) never meet anyone here in the real world you will make real friends.

DONCOAT

Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
This is really like a home and even though you'll (probably) never meet anyone here in the real world you will make real friends.

Emphasis on "probably". However, if you go to a fan convention at some point, I guarantee you'll see something new -- or at least, some of your fellow FFF browncoats.

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I don't disagree on any particular point.

GRIMLOCK

Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:53 AM

Quote:
Jayro wrote:
Wednesday, January 11, 2006 03:49
In one of River's flashbacks, we see the teacher telling the children to lie down, and the class obeying without fuss. Is this her subconscious brain interpreting or 'acting out' what it knows about the Miranda population?

Also, River is the only one who rebels againt the teacher's command - she has an 'aggressor' response, just like the tenth of a percent who turned into Reavers. Is this a metaphor, or is it suggesting that River, had she been raised on Miranda, would have become a Reaver herself?

Well... I noticed something when I mispelled River's name in a fic comment earlier to today.

River
Reaver
Foreshadow much?

CHRISTHECYNIC

Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DonCoat:
Emphasis on "probably". However, if you go to a fan convention at some point, I guarantee you'll see something new -- or at least, some of your fellow FFF browncoats.

Can you believe I've never been to one? Probably, can. I've never heard of one in Maine, and I don't have a car, or indeed a license.

UNSARDONIC

Monday, January 16, 2006 1:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by KthScherer:
Sigh. Bubble burst duly noted. So much for my first post.

(And thanks. I figured if I posted I'd find out if I was right or not. Didn't think I'd find out so quickly, though!)

So it may not be subtle or non-subtle or anything at all really, but I still find it fun!

Yeah... sorry for the

- I mean, obviously you were looking out for the cool poop on the disc and, of course, you found something fun

so, I'm still

for the bubble-bursting.

Anyway, I can't recommend the Pinyinary enough to help you fill in a lot of story blanks (which is why I included the link) and, as Doncoat (& others) suggested, the Visual Companion.

Now, you DID fall victim to an entertaining Anglo-habit which is, listening to some sort of (usually) Asian language and hearing English in it. When I lived in Japan that would sometimes be what we did for entertainment: watch Japanese TV and faux-translate into the nearest ridiculous-English, whatever showed up on the screen. One of the best was a commercial wherein, the lovely young housewife is home at the stove in the perfect suburban kitchen when, her handsome young businessman comes home from the office. She turns to him and, with the most radiant, angelic smile ever says, just as clearly as possible what, for all the world sounds exactly like, "I stayed home to pee!" I watched this countless times & each time her statement was very clearly the same... we were laughing so hard, we had no idea what was being sold or ever found out what was said.

Stay home to pee(!) "or your friends will think you're a stupid, inbred stack of meat."

VOSHEXETER

Monday, January 16, 2006 3:38 AM

Speaking of noticing little things...

Did anyone notice that in the "Serenity" episode the quick camera shot which seems to reveal that Joss Whedon might have had running water on the set of Serenity. Who would've thought? They had plumbing and everything. The realizm is alwayz in full effect on this show.

Most people are impressed with smooth FX shots, not me. I go for functioning water systems every time.

VoshExeter@outofsymbolsintopaper.com

OMELET

Monday, January 16, 2006 8:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Unsardonic:
Quote:
Originally posted by Omelet:
...though my mood swings persist. Usually to stop them by others means I usually resort to watching Firefly, specifically Sean Maher, to help me get through this time of the month...

Ah... y'know, for an allegedly "perceptive" person, ya'd think I'd have figured out your "good trick" of simultaneous laughing/crying... my sympathies, actually.

If it's any consolation, I have encountered Sean, actually, shopping in my local grocery store (I have mentioned elsewhere I live on the Sunset Strip). It was morning so the store was mainly empty & he was checking out, the only person there. I got in line behind him and... well.. I hadn't recognized him, y'see(?). All I saw was a handsome young man checking out, dressed all in white.

I didn't recognize him because of the hair: it was a big, spiky poof of dry, black hair & I didn't think about it... then he talked &, By Gawd, 'if it isn't Simon Tam,' I thought. So I looked closely at him and, sure enough, it was him - it's just, I guess he doesn't keep that wet, combed-back Simon hair in real life, eh? Anyway, he seemed really shy or reserved to me, like he would be uncomfortable with strangers coming up & recognizing him & introducing themselves, especially as he was in the middle of a complex function... perhaps it had already happened enough to him to make him uncomfortable so, he seemed edgy & I just respected his space & let him do his thing.

Now, since then, I've regretted that reserve on my part - you'd think I could have at least thanked him for bringing us Simon, I realized later... Or perhaps been a little more flip and asked him if he was headed to a "THX-1138" theme party... That was because of the all-white thing: he wore a plush white sweater, white pants & matching white shoes and had a cartful of orchid plants, all blooming with dozens of flowers & every single one of them were white - it was quite a striking image; made me wish for a camera.

I actually did think... "a wedding" or "a funeral" but, a "THX-1138 theme party," would have at least been funny. On the other hand, if it was a funeral, "funny" might have been really uncomfortable, eh? And the possibility of a funeral might have been what was behind his discomfort. Of course, for all I know, that's just how he dresses in civilian life & he happens to like lots of white orchids, who knows(?), all I know is, I still regret not thanking him for bringing us Dr. Tam

freakin' THANK the actors, ya DUDES , THANK 'EM!! "or your friends will think you're a stupid, inbred stack of meat."

It could've been a funeral for a friend of his that just happens to be obsessed with THX-1138.

Anyways, maybe he was just trying to distinguish himself from Simon, though I prefer the Simon hair to the spiky-gelled look. It makes a man look more distinguished and classy, that's just my opinion anyways.

And a reminder to anyone who happens to see any of our BDH, give them a big hug and thank them for bringing us our beloved characters that we so love and hold dear to our hearts (especially Simon.

)

Jayne: Are you saying River's a witch?
Wash: Yes, Jayne, she's a witch. She's had congress with the Beast.
Jayne: She's in Congress?
Wash: How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious!

HUMBUG

Monday, January 16, 2006 8:42 PM

It bugs me in the funeral, when River goes up to some kind of small rocket and then Zoe comes and they all stand around paying respect to Wash, Book and Mr Universe.

I understand that the special effects guys did some amazing fireworks and that was how they said goodbye..... but we don't even see this in the deleted scenes (or have I missed that??!!).

It also bugs me that Joss doesn't let the camera linger on some fine specimens of male flesh.........

I mean he DOES give us an eyefull of Simon making out with Kaylee, and we do catch a gorgeous glimpse of Mal waking up from a nap to speak to Inara on a wave (be still my beating heart!!!) .................

But does he give us a glimpse of Jayne in anything but his trademark T-shirts or army surplus shirt? Yes, the briefest glimpse in the montage when we go with Mal through the ship to the Flight Deck....... He's in a cropped vest, and you even get a glimpse of bulging biceps and his tattoo (yes, they bothered to apply it for this brief shot).

Please, please, please Joss, if you get to make a Big Damn Sequel, include lingering shots of both Mal and Jayne, either in vests or shirtless!!!!! You know you did wrong in denying the female fans this..... you even mention it in your DVD commentary..

VOSHEXETER

Monday, January 16, 2006 9:38 PM

One thing i noticed so far, out of all the times i've watched the series, is Whedon's playful use of irony. When River, Simon, and Jayne walk through the doors to a larger, lobby style room while making their getaway only to be captured on the spot by alliance/security officers, a large "We Care" sign can be seen just behind the highest ranking official. Lovely. Jayne was such a bad guy sometimes.

"Were I unwed I would take you in a manly fashion." Wash

GRIMLOCK

Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Unsardonic:
Quote:
Originally posted by KthScherer:
Sigh. Bubble burst duly noted. So much for my first post.

(And thanks. I figured if I posted I'd find out if I was right or not. Didn't think I'd find out so quickly, though!)

So it may not be subtle or non-subtle or anything at all really, but I still find it fun!

Yeah... sorry for the - I mean, obviously you were looking out for the cool poop on the disc and, of course, you found something fun so, I'm still for the bubble-bursting.

Anyway, I can't recommend the Pinyinary enough to help you fill in a lot of story blanks (which is why I included the link) and, as Doncoat (& others) suggested, the Visual Companion.

Now, you DID fall victim to an entertaining Anglo-habit which is, listening to some sort of (usually) Asian language and hearing English in it. When I lived in Japan that would sometimes be what we did for entertainment: watch Japanese TV and faux-translate into the nearest ridiculous-English, whatever showed up on the screen. One of the best was a commercial wherein, the lovely young housewife is home at the stove in the perfect suburban kitchen when, her handsome young businessman comes home from the office. She turns to him and, with the most radiant, angelic smile ever says, just as clearly as possible what, for all the world sounds exactly like, "I stayed home to pee!" I watched this countless times & each time her statement was very clearly the same... we were laughing so hard, we had no idea what was being sold or ever found out what was said.

Stay home to pee(!) "or your friends will think you're a stupid, inbred stack of meat."

My brother does the same thing to the Russian lyrics from the main title to Hunt for Red October. His transmutilation being a less polite variation on boink "boink the bed."

I know, I known. He's my brother.

UNSARDONIC

Monday, January 23, 2006 6:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Grimlock:

My brother does the same thing to the Russian lyrics from the main title to Hunt for Red October. His transmutilation being a less polite variation on boink "boink the bed."

I know, I known. He's my brother.

Awww... damn... it's been quite a few years since I've seen that defintiely-lovely movie. I don't recall the sequence you're talking about so that I might comprehend what your brother is, in fact, 'transmutilating.' Wait-wait-wait... is he 'transmutilating' or is he 'manifestering?' Either way... "It's good to be The Neologist!!!!"

hehhehheh

Be a neologist

"or your friends will think you're a stupid, inbred stack of meat."

GRIMLOCK

Monday, January 23, 2006 7:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Unsardonic:
Quote:
Originally posted by Grimlock:

My brother does the same thing to the Russian lyrics from the main title to Hunt for Red October. His transmutilation being a less polite variation on boink "boink the bed."

I know, I known. He's my brother.

Awww... damn... it's been quite a few years since I've seen that defintiely-lovely movie. I don't recall the sequence you're talking about so that I might comprehend what your brother is, in fact, 'transmutilating.' Wait-wait-wait... is he 'transmutilating' or is he 'manifestering?' Either way... "It's good to be The Neologist!!!!"

hehhehheh

Be a neologist "or your friends will think you're a stupid, inbred stack of meat."

"Neologism" Hmm... I've been accused of doing that, but quite often; wrongly so, because I was infact using perfectly valid rules for the creation of compound words, but now that I know an elegant word for it, I think I'll make up words more often.

TAMSIBLING

Monday, January 23, 2006 9:35 PM

It's a total reference to Judas and the 30 pieces of silver, but I agree with someone else who posted, Mr. U was being completely sarcastic. Plus, Mr. U didn't have a choice (think Lando).

Another question ... at the beginning of the BDM, was that supposed to be a flashback to the very beginning of the Show (Firefly)? Or the start to the movie? It seemed strange to me that the Operative would just now be studying the footage of the River's escape. Or am I totally missing the progression?

This must be what going insane feels like.

SPOOTER

Monday, January 23, 2006 10:28 PM

Actually, given enough speed, a spacecraft could theoretically encounter enough friction to "burn" on leaving the atmospere. It's a well known fact that the SR-71 Blackbird spy-plane of the USAF leaks profusely on the ground due to "poor" fit of it's panels..... This is actually intentional, as they engineered it this way so that while flying at it's incredible speeds, the friction of it against the air causes it to heat up to the point that it expands, thus sealing up all the leaks. I believe I read somewhere that it actually grows by as much as a foot in length from this expansion... And if that kind of speed is possible today, just imagine what 500 years of engineering advancements will produce....

SPOOTER

Monday, January 23, 2006 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by Jayro:
In one of River's flashbacks, we see the teacher telling the children to lie down, and the class obeying without fuss. Is this her subconscious brain interpreting or 'acting out' what it knows about the Miranda population?

Also, River is the only one who rebels againt the teacher's command - she has an 'aggressor' response, just like the tenth of a percent who turned into Reavers. Is this a metaphor, or is it suggesting that River, had she been raised on Miranda, would have become a Reaver herself?

River the reaver...? I don't know, it just sounds funny....lol
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