Word on the street(future possibilities)

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FIGHTINGCROUTON

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:11 AM

I know the part about Nathan, Summer, and Gina walking out of the CW studios has already been posted, but still, I hadn't heard the part about them considering bringing it back.. A small nugget, but still...

From Kristin at E! online:

http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristin/Trans/Archive2006/060213b.html

From junglejen9: Firefly. You gotta spill it if you have any additional info, please!

Kristin: I've heard the CW is considering bringing it back as a series, miniseries or movie for next season. Hurrah! For you who missed my message board posting, on Tuesday, Nate Fillion, Summer Glau and Gina Torres were seen coming out of one of the exec buildings at Paramount, where they are putting together the new CW unit.

"That's it, you're out. And he's out. I don't even know if I'm in. No Gang!"

FOLLOWMAL

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:14 AM

I'm prayin' hard.

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

KAELE

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:19 AM

Ugh.

Must.

Resist.

Urge.

To.

Hope.

Too.

Much.

Speculation, what a teasing mistress of woe!

Fie! Fie!

*gurgles in pain, clutching chest*

Kaele
AIM - Dewlanna
YID - jedi_kaele

FOLLOWMAL

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:24 AM

*grabs Kaele by the shoulders and helps keep her from collapsing in pain*

No, Kaele! Resist it, don't hope too much, just hold onto the possibility. Desire leads to the dark side... don't go there.

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

PDCHARLES

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:29 AM

CW - Cures Woes

Hopin' ova here!

_____________________________________________
U gonna be smart here Riva?!?

GARBAGECANMUSIC

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:48 AM

Please. Oh please.

Don't get hopes up.

But please oh please oh please.

How much is that little Geisha in the window?

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:19 AM

Quick - everybody calmly but quickly grab Firefly DVDs and matching Serenity DVDs for EVERYONE on your birthday list and Xmas list for 2006, and hoard 'em 'till ya need 'em. If'n ya own a business, buy 'em wholesale by the case for resale. That should kick the suits over tha edge.

PS: Joss says hi

"I don't care what you believe - just BELIEVE!"
-Book

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PAINE

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:56 AM

Hopes...rising...

Must not...succumb...gah!

If I believed in God, I would pray. Ah, screw it, I'll pray anyway!

They'll let anyone use a modem these days, won't they?-jms

OLDFOGEY

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:36 AM

GAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
PLease please please please please please please

NUCLEARDAY

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:50 AM

/me covers his ears and eyes. "No, no, no... Just pretend you didn't read that..."

Well, worst case scenario is that it at least keeps the idea floating around out there. Maybe if everyone just assumes that our little series that could is coming back...

I mean really, the Television industry sinks... likely ungodly amounts of money trying to find out what the public wants, and here we are telling them... you'd think someone would get a clue, right? ;p

THESOAPBOXER

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:53 AM

Whoa. I just got real dizzy by my hopes rising so fast. I'm gonna lie down now...

Well, at least we have someone to blame should this thing go the other way...

*Prepares to put Kristin on "The List."*

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Could you please just make it stranger? Just stranger. Odder. Could be weirder. More bizarre. How about uncanny? ~Joss Whedon

MELAM

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:00 AM

Quote:

I mean really, the Television industry sinks... likely ungodly amounts of money trying to find out what the public wants, and here we are telling them... you'd think someone would get a clue, right? ;p

Yeah but how often do they do something that's logical?

FIREFLYNUTTER

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:13 AM

logical? do they even have that in their vocab, let alone know how to spell it? If this is true w00t...
but if not, i'll go and light a funeral pire or something...

REAVERPREY

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:41 AM

ooh if only it was true!!
if it's not I'll ... I'll ...
DAMN IT MAL! I FORGOT MY LINE!

ANASAZI

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:59 AM

Man, Firefly is about to become that girl from high school that won't go out with you anymore but still talks to you in the cafeteria only\ to get your hormones up for the rest of the week and think that you have the smallest chance to get back together, thereby destroying any chance of moving on with your life.....

Wow, that sounds really bitter. You better not be toying with me Kristen. I know where you post!!!!

________________________________________________________
"You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought....."

Wanna Know something? I really liked the Star Wars Prequels. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

I Love Star Wars and Firefly. Isn't it unbelievable??!?!?!

DEOIR

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:33 AM

Probably a silly question but who/what are CW?

Are they a production company or network or such?

GALACTICHERO

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:39 AM

If they bring it back I'll buy from any of their sponsors advertised during Firefly! I don't care if it's adult diapers! Go for it CW!!!!!!!!

LONGLOSTBRISTOW

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:40 AM

Quote:
Probably a silly question but who/what are CW?

Are they a production company or network or such?

The WB and UPN recently merged and created a new network--CW

-Meg

DEOIR

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:45 AM

Thanks! Word hasn't quite reached this side of the atlantic yet (or if it has I was asleep)

GRIMJACK21502

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:11 PM

God help me...I believe.

Can't help myself *tears well up in eyes* I miss my friends too much.

We will hold...we hold till Mal gets back...wait what's that on the horizon?

"And once you're gone, you can never come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black"
-Neil Young

MATTY

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:18 PM

*holds breath for a movie, series, mini-series of firefly*

please god!!! please god!!! please god!!!

*collapse on the floor from holding breath for to long*

You got a wife? All I got was a dumbass stick that sounds like it's raining.

BRADIATA

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:52 PM

I had never heard of the show here in australia until i saw an interview with writer on tv before movie release. Saw movie and loved it sooo much and instantly obtained the firefly series and can not beleive it was cancelled so much betta than soooo much other crap on tv. Love this show heaps and am as keen as everybody else to get it back.

Yea yea i'm right there with ya

GUERILLATHEATRE

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:59 PM

The best part is that CW is likely to broadcast in Hi-Definition. If you haven't seen Firefly or Serenity in HD, you're truly missing out. The incredibly beautiful environments and costumes take on a whole new life.

BROWNCOATCAT

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:03 PM

As I understand it, it is the brand new ColumbiaWarner network, formed by the recent merger of of the Warner Brothers Nework and the United Paramount Network.

TVCHICK

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:25 PM

Aright. Who do we need to write to in order to support this IF they really are considering it?

We're Browncoats! Let's get pro-active on this!

---
When you can't run, you crawl.
And when you can't do that...
You find someone to carry you.

TRACY

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:03 PM

From Joss himself (posted on Whedonesque):

"Serenity comics: Brett and I have been very very busy and it's rude of you to bring it up. But it's gonna be tight!
Serenity sequel! My phone is silent and withdrawn."

You can see it for yourself here:::

http://whedonesque.com/comments/9528#more

And also, there's this:

http://www.iesb.net/upcomingfilm/021406.php

I quote:

"Serenity rumors, there may be a sequel maybe not, what's going on…

JW: Still waiting to see how the dvd does, I'm not staying awake at night and holding my breath, I am happy with the movie, happy with the way it's been received, if somebody calls me and says let's make another one I will but I have other things to do in the mean time like be here. "

"Serenity movie, chance of it going on the Scifi channel or do you want a theatrical release?

JW: I want whatever's right for the story, if it was made for tv I don't have a problem with that, I love tv. I love tv movies when they're well made, I love tv series. I love that universe. If it's movies, whatever it is if somebody says you can do something on radio with these actors, you could do an awesome radio show, quite frankly because it's cheaper, but the fact of the matter is nobody is calling right now. You know the movie just opened, the dvd just came out, that's still happening. It hasn't even come out in Europe yet. So we are just waiting to see where the chips fall and then we'll see if somebody's interested in some permutation of this world, of these actors down the line, I am never not going to be interested. I love these people and I love the people that they play. But, I am not focusing on it right now, I am waiting to see. "

"Can I make a suggestion that doesn't involve violence? Or is this the wrong crowd?" (Wash)

GRIMJACK21502

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tracy:
From Joss himself (posted on Whedonesque):

"Serenity comics: Brett and I have been very very busy and it's rude of you to bring it up. But it's gonna be tight!
Serenity sequel! My phone is silent and withdrawn."

You can see it for yourself here:::

http://whedonesque.com/comments/9528#more

And also, there's this:

http://www.iesb.net/upcomingfilm/021406.php

I quote:

"Serenity rumors, there may be a sequel maybe not, what's going on…

JW: Still waiting to see how the dvd does, I'm not staying awake at night and holding my breath, I am happy with the movie, happy with the way it's been received, if somebody calls me and says let's make another one I will but I have other things to do in the mean time like be here. "

"Serenity movie, chance of it going on the Scifi channel or do you want a theatrical release?

JW: I want whatever's right for the story, if it was made for tv I don't have a problem with that, I love tv. I love tv movies when they're well made, I love tv series. I love that universe. If it's movies, whatever it is if somebody says you can do something on radio with these actors, you could do an awesome radio show, quite frankly because it's cheaper, but the fact of the matter is nobody is calling right now. You know the movie just opened, the dvd just came out, that's still happening. It hasn't even come out in Europe yet. So we are just waiting to see where the chips fall and then we'll see if somebody's interested in some permutation of this world, of these actors down the line, I am never not going to be interested. I love these people and I love the people that they play. But, I am not focusing on it right now, I am waiting to see. "

"Can I make a suggestion that doesn't involve violence? Or is this the wrong crowd?" (Wash)

Not to be too much of a fanboy, but the second quote is too "old/new" to remain relevant(by old/new I mean Joss wouldn't/can't talk about a CW project BEFORE the CW annouced a new project).

As for his latest comments on Whedonesque...now Cryptic Joss starts to make sense (i.e. UNIVERSAL has not called about a theatrical sequel).

The only wordsmith better than Joss is Bill Clinton.

Then again I could just be getting my hopes WAY up...but I am a Browncoat, and we do two things: Hope and the Impossible.

We will hold...we hold till Mal gets back...wait do you guys see something out on the horizon?

"And once you're gone, you can never come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black"
-Neil Young

MILFORD

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:21 PM

That's it! I have to stop checking these threads when I first get to work in the mornning. Now I'll be thinking about it all day. Totally ruined the most productive time of my morning.

*giddly laughing*

Remember, that but for one trifling exception, the entire universe is made up of others.- Oliver Wendall Holmes

GRIMJACK21502

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by milford:
That's it! I have to stop checking these threads when I first get to work in the mornning. Now I'll be thinking about it all day. Totally ruined the most productive time of my morning.

*giddly laughing*

Remember, that but for one trifling exception, the entire universe is made up of others.- Oliver Wendall Holmes

Ain't that the truth brother

"And once you're gone, you can never come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black"
-Neil Young

CS

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:23 PM

Without getting my hoped up too much, all of this news sounds very positive

I really hope they don't go for a TV movie though, that would seem to me like a big step down from Serenity. A new series would be great though.

ASARIAN

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by GuerillaTheatre:

The best part is that CW is likely to broadcast in Hi-Definition. If you haven't seen Firefly or Serenity in HD, you're truly missing out. The incredibly beautiful environments and costumes take on a whole new life.

I heard that maybe there was gonna be a HD Serenity DVD. But are you saying FireFly too? And you seem to talk about it as if you already *did* see both in HD.

Please, enlighten me?

--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

GRIMJACK21502

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CS:
Without getting my hoped up too much, all of this news sounds very positive

I really hope they don't go for a TV movie though, that would seem to me like a big step down from Serenity. A new series would be great though.

I agree, but if they used a tv movie or a mini-series to gauge interest in a possible series, well then I like that idea!

We will hold...we hold till Mal gets back...wait do you guys see something out on the horizon?

"And once you're gone, you can never come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black"
-Neil Young

FIREFLYSREDEMPTION

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:12 PM

Hey guys I don't feel as though I have earned my stripes yet, I just barely found Firefly. I will say this though, I have rallied at least five others to the cause. We have all purchased the complete series boxset and serenity. My sole focus right now is in reviving and redeeming Firefly. I feel it was a mistake to do what they did at the end of serenity by killing off part of the crew. However It is still possible to make a phenomenal series. I believe that not enough people had access to Firefly originally. I remember it coming on the SciFi Channel and many areas I lived in did not carry it. I Suggest, assuming it hasnt been done already, Taking petitions towards the revival of the series. I will swear by it above and beyond any other. I mean heck, if "Farscape" got more than one season how did Firefly fail to? (IDIOTIC TV MARKETERS)

"Once youve been in Serenity, you never leave"

SPANKY883

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:17 PM

Who is CW? Are they a local or cable network?

GWEK

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:21 PM

Next year, UPN and the WB are going away, and in their place, we'll have CW.

If it's a series, I hope they're smart and pair it with the right show (I think Veronica Mars or Smallville would be about right, or even Supernatural).

REDLINE

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:29 PM

Seems like there should be some place or some one we could send emails, letters, faxes, dancing girls to. We need to make sure CW knows how huge the fans base is for Firefly!

CORNCOBB

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:37 PM

I'm trying mighty hard not to get my hopes up, but it's so... damn... hard.
If this is true it's fantastic!
I'm actually believing it, against my better judgement. A couple of dreams of mine have suddenly come true recently. Don't reckon another one would be all that unlikely

"Gorramit Mal... I've forgotten my line."

ZEEK

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:45 PM

I gotta agree that I take Joss's word over this lady's anyday. He just said yesterday that his phone is silent. I doubt he'd be trying to mislead us.

For now I'm just putting this down as rumor until someone we know tells us something is in the works.

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:49 PM

Honestly and with all due respect, I do not know y'all are so afraid to hope. Look where this series was at the beginning of 2003 (Yeah, I got on the wagon in Oct 2005 but I've read the threads by the old-timers.)

If a couple hundred fans got FF from 11 out of order barely watched episodes to a fabulous DVD boxset to the BDM to the amazing Serenity/Firefly DVD sales of the past few months, then of course all these new fans arriving daily are going to take it on to new places.

Naysay all you want, I hope without fear!

m4p

Ask Dr. Science ... he knows more than you do.
"I have a Master's degree ... in science!"

MCALLEN

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:04 PM

Just my 2 cents, but ...

I feel like this is just a rumor. From what I've heard, Kristen's "rumors" are often just that. Plus, with Joss's silent phone statement just yesterday (notwithstanding the fact that he didn't specificially say anything about a Firefly continuation, just a Serenity sequel), it's mighty unlikely.

That said, I think that any rumor of this type at least keeps Firefly/Serenity on the radar. I won't get my hopes up (or at least, I'll try not to) unless there is a substantiated reason to do so, but I'm encouraged by every rumor or gossip columnist or reviewer who praises the show/discusses its possible return/begs for more. As long as there's chatter out there, I feel like Firefly will return when all the stars align.

MAL: We're still flying.
SIMON: That's not much.
MAL: It's enough.

SIHNON

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:21 PM

GAAAAAAAAAAAH! Now I won't be able to focus at school....(Not that I need to. Subordinating conjunctions? -Seriously-?)

Every single Firefly fan at my school is gonna be squealing through class...3 squealing teachers, 14 squealing students...

Hehe. This is gonna be interesting.

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Captain Reynolds never touched me, all he did was rent me a shuttle and be very, very annoying!

ISAACSHEPHERD

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:49 PM

Let's all (try to )relax now Browncoats. Rumors remain rumors until we hear it from the man, Joss, we shouldn't get too far ahead of ourselves. If I am not mistaken Joss is writing scripts for 2 movies right (Goners and Wonderwoman) now along with other misc projects I'm sure. The fanbase is here and we are still growing. We've already done the impossible, I think it can happen again. Just have faith and be patient all! I'm sure we'll see Firefly in one form or another as long as the fans remain loyal and keep recruiting.
IS

DOG13000

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:51 PM

Looks like they'll make it just in time. You know what that'll make them?

SHO

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:58 PM

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies" -- One of the best lines in any movie (Shawshank Redemption). I have to hope and keep hoping. Even if this is a rumor, it is a good rumor, and something we should get behind. Maybe we can turn this rumor into fact by showing how much interest it generates. I can't find a site for the CW Network, it may be too new. But, I've found other articles indicating that CW is already making programming decisions (they are cutting "Cult", a new show the WB had just signed for development, and keeping an "Aquaman" pilot that is a "Smallville" spinoff). So, they are probably looking to fill their hours with unique shows that have a fanbase. There is no better show than "Firefly" and look at the devotion of it's fans!

We need to find a way to email the CW to let them know they have our interest.

"We've done the impossible. That makes us mighty"

BROWNCOATBARON

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:58 PM

Big damn heroes, sir.

NEVERED

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:45 PM

is it almost time for a new acronym?

BDN: the Big Damn Network

BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:53 PM

Yet Joss did not mention anything about this possibilty in his post on Whedonesque recently. You think he would have at least hinted if this rumor had any basis in fact.

Until I get something resembling official confirmation I will not hold my breath.

__________________________________________

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

Richmond, VA & surrounding area Firefly Fans:

http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/richmondbrowncoats/

http://www.richmondbrowncoats.org

SHINY1

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:59 PM

With every penny I throw into a wishing well, with every birthday candle I blow out, with every wishbone I yank in half, I will wish that this series comes back. But must not get hopes up. Too late.......UGH

"I love my captain"

DINKY

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:01 PM

If this Kristen is just throwing out fibs then I will find this person and make them pass out via lots of tickling. THEY WILL SUFFER!!!

"Th3re !s n0 spo0Ne." -The Matricks

NEVERED

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Yet Joss did not mention anything about this possibilty in his post on Whedonesque recently. You think he would have at least hinted if this rumor had any basis in fact.

perhaps not wanting to cry wolf if the deal doesn't work out too well.

if it doesn't happen and he's announced that it would, it's a lot harder on us than if it turns south and all we've heard is a rumor like this one.

I actually think that it would make sense for the CW to take this on. They will undoubtedly carry over popular shows from UPN and WB, but it's a new network, and they want their own audience. they can either make a few police dramas and FBI mysteries (and compete with every single other one out there) or they can start taking less known shows like firefly that the older networks don't need, and begin carving out their own audience.

SICKDUDE

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:34 PM

I think we all would be overjoyed if this were true. But here's a thought: we should get ready. Even if CW doesn't offer "Serenity: the Series" this fall, it's still a good idea. We all want the verse to return to either the small or big screen. And more Browncoats never hurts (unless they're all in a crowded elevator together).

We all know that Firefly got cancelled for bad ratings, and Serenity did okay but not great. With $25 million in domestic box office, at an average of about $7 a ticket, that means 3.5 million tickets. Since many of us saw it numerous times, that implies less than 3 million 'original' viewers. When CW forms, they're gonna add affiliates from both UPN and WB, and presumably get close to FOX viewership numbers. That means they'll want to see viewers! Considering the genre shows that got cancelled with below 6.0 ratings, we'll need at least 6 million viewers to keep Serenity: the Series on the air. Or to make any future incarnation of the verse viable. And the higher the ratings, the better!!

In short, we need to keep recruiting, same as we have been! Now's not the time to stop lending out DVDs. Even if it takes years, we'll eventually need more Browncoats.

Off on a rant again SickdudeIsAll

SICKDUDE

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:37 PM

In other words, the WORST possible outcome is to see a second show cancelled also!

"It's a cow."

GUN4HIRE

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:57 PM

sometimes hope is all we need. I've loved firefly since i watched it on the evil Fox Network way back when. I gave up on it returning until Serenity came out. That movie rekindled my love affair with it. Even if this turns out to be nothing, I'll take a little hope over a lot of nothing.

STORYMARK

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:32 PM

I'm not getting my hopes up too high, but I think it could be a real possibility, regardless of naysayers - including some things Joss has said.

As someone mentioned above, if something was in the works, even if it was only being discussed, Joss may not say anything for a number of reasons. One of those being that if he said so much as "it might, maybe, probably not, but possibly happen", there would be a lot of Browncoats cheering in the streets (figuratively....in most cases at least). And if that deal then fell through, there'd be a LOT of very depressed Browncoats.

A second reason is, it's often a contractual agreement not to talk about a show under consideration untill all the ink is dry.

And sure, Joss said the phone wasn't ringing, but that doesn't rule out email or face to face conversation. As streatch, I admit, but I also wouldn't put that type of subterfuge past Joss.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

DOG13000

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:34 PM

AIIIN'T THEY JUST!

"Someone Ever Tries to Kill You, You Try and Kill Em' Right Back"

DOG13000

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sickdude:
We all know that Firefly got cancelled for bad ratings, and Serenity did okay but not great. Since many of us saw it numerous times, that implies less than 3 million 'original' viewers. When CW forms, they're gonna add affiliates from both UPN and WB, and presumably get close to FOX viewership numbers. That means they'll want to see viewers! Considering the genre shows that got cancelled with below 6.0 ratings, we'll need at least 6 million viewers to keep Serenity: the Series on the air. Or to make any future incarnation of the verse viable. And the higher the ratings, the better!!

Ratings. Ratings, Ratings, Ratings. Networks do not have some magic system of counting how many TVs are tuned into their shows. They grab random people, shove them in a room and see what they think.

With that said, I would like to say a few things.

First off, WHO THE HELL were the 'random people' that originally saw Firefly, and DIDN'T give it a good rating. EVERYONE who gives the show the time of day loves it.

Second Off, Movie Sales. There are a lot of people who are fans, but didn't go see the BDM in theaters. Some people can't afford it (the show wasn't on cable after all...), others might not have a movie theater for miles, and others yet might just not be the movie goin' type. I know people in all of these situations.

Third OFf, Fan Base. In the time between the cancellation of the show and the BDM, the fan base probally quadruppled. In the time since the BDM was released, that number has at least doubled. With all these fans AND advertising on TV, the show could probaly have more fans then Supernatrual, West Wing, Everyone hates Chris, and most of the other garbage that is on Network TV combined. All that has to be done is putting it in a good time slot. NOT wendsdays at 7 when half of america (everyone but me) is watching American Idol, and Not Fridays at 8, when nobody is watching TV, ect.

now, that's a rant....

"Someone Ever Tries to Kill You, You Try and Kill Em' Right Back"

AMITON

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:28 PM

I'm not trying to speak in absolutes, and I claim no extensive knowledge beforehand! Layman with a poor memory writing = me!

Anyway, I read an article a few weeks back that didn't necessarily have to do with Firefly, but it made me draw the eventual parallel conclusions. They were talking about ratings and show success. The thing that caught my eye was that what really mattered to the networks (by way of what's important to the advertisers) was a specific demographic. The 16 to 29 year old demographic if I remember correctly. They want success with this demographic for two reasons...they spend money more freely, and they tend not to have predetermined buying habits or brand loyalty.

The article went on to say from a few different ways that a network would consider a program a failure if it didn't catch this demographic, even if it did extremely well with other demographics, again, because older viewers control their money a lot more and tend to already like certain products over others. Advertisers obviously don't like such behaviors and as such wouldn't be as interested in buying time on that particular broadcast.

That made me think about two other things - the broad demographic appeal of Firefly, and what exactly is "doing well" on TV. We all complain that TV seems to cater to the lowest common denominator and throws itself shamelessly at the MTV crowd. Well, yes, it does exactly that, and this is why. Reality shows, celebrity mindbilge, and investivative cop shows all fit that demographic extremely well, too, for the same reasons that advertising is more effective. School sucks, there is a ton of encouragement to grow mentally, and in direct contrast, mindless entertainment is a great break from mind-numbing homework and papers.

I'm not trying to demean the younger set of flans, nor am I trying to say that this is absolute truth or that I can honestly say I have a clue about the reality of the business. What I am inferring is that we may be fighting an even harder battle than we thought.

We constantly ask ourselves "How could Fox cancel such a great show??" as do several other fandoms (but we're special and the best =p). Well...we have a lot of diversity in our little band here. Not to mention, we have a significant presence from outside the US as well. I'm worried that part of the reason we're not more effective or convincing is the very basis of our strength - we're all over the spectrum of humanity.

In as far as the Nielson ratings, I'm convinced it's more than a little dodgy. I was in the random sample of the Nielson ratings about ten years ago (a product, I trust of my wife at the time registering for every product survey and ad campaign that spammed our email). We got a little book that told us to write down what we watched on TV during a specific period of time. Not how was it, not have you watched it before...just a TV log. After that, we never heard hide nor hair about anything again. They don't care if you like it, they just want to know if it's on your TV.

Amiton.

MILFORD

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:35 PM

I also received a Neilson booklet. They told us to write down everything we watch on each TV. At the time there were three TVs in our home (not all working, but that's irrelevant). Even though FF was cancelled by then I did take the opportunity to write a the end of the diary in the "Comments" section that had FF been on I would still watch it and that I loved it, and so on. I think I filled all three diaries with FF propaganda. And what happened? Nada. They are the fools. We are the mighty.

Remember, that but for one trifling exception, the entire universe is made up of others.- Oliver Wendall Holmes

DOG13000

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:37 PM

Hey! Being 16 i take offense to that!

Quote:
Originally posted by Amiton:
The 16 to 29 year old demographic if I remember correctly. They want success with this demographic for two reasons...they spend money more freely, and they tend not to have predetermined buying habits or brand loyalty.

Oh...wait...
*Puts away wallet buying random crap, and a Jayne Hat* Yep. Spending money more freely and buying more firefly stuff is what I do....

"Someone Ever Tries to Kill You, You Try and Kill Em' Right Back"

TRIBES

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:03 PM

Joss quote on Whedonesque

"Serenity sequel! My phone is silent and withdrawn."

Maybe this is a bit of a stretch, but... meaning... no ph. calls from 'versal for a Serenity sequel DOES NOT mean no ph. calls from CW for a return of Firefly to TV in some form. Maybe he just could not say anything at the time.

Maybe just Maybe.
Just like that raw gutsy bluesy Janice Joplin song.

MAYBE
"All that I could pray
And I try Dear
Ya might come back home ... home to me"
MAYBE

Just sayin and hopin.

Peace
Serenity

GUERILLATHEATRE

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:33 PM

Quote:
I heard that maybe there was gonna be a HD Serenity DVD. But are you saying FireFly too? And you seem to talk about it as if you already *did* see both in HD.

Please, enlighten me?

There are several DVD players out that do 720p , 1080i and even 1080p upconversions. I own a Samsung DVD HD-485. Using a DVI cable connected to my Mitsubishii HDTV it takes the standard 480i DVD signal and upgrades it to 1080i.

Soon they will be releasing HD DVDs and Blue Ray Discs which will be in native 1080i and allow for 1080p upconversion. You'll need a special player for that but it'll be slightly better quality than those in existence today.

If you have an HDTV (and if you don't: What the heck are you waiting for. They're cheap now!) you can buy an upconverting DVD player for about $200. It's highly worth it if you want to really see the detail in the Firefly series and Serenity movie.

CARRIE

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:36 PM

What is CW?

Carrie

NEVERED

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dog13000:
Hey! Being 16 i take offense to that!

Quote:
Originally posted by Amiton:
The 16 to 29 year old demographic if I remember correctly. They want success with this demographic for two reasons...they spend money more freely, and they tend not to have predetermined buying habits or brand loyalty.

Oh...wait...
*Puts away wallet buying random crap, and a Jayne Hat* Yep. Spending money more freely and buying more firefly stuff is what I do....

"spend money more freely" does not mean "buy lots of show merchandise"

basically, they want people without previous brand affiliation to watch their show because the advertisers will pay more to advertise for the show if they know that the viewers have not already become attached to other brands.

being in the demographic that is easily influenced to make brand affiliatios that will last the rest of their lives makes you valuable for exactly that reason.

if you've been watching Ford commercials on firefly for three years, when you go to buy your first car, the advertisers are counting on their advertisements then, and since it's your first car, chances are they've won you over as a customer for every car you buy after that, even after you stop seeing their commercials.

the 16 to 29 year old demographic are the people who are in the process of forming the routine that will guide the rest of their lives. advertising to you then means that their products will become a part of the rest of your lifelong routine.

OLDFOGEY

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nevered:

the 16 to 29 year old demographic are the people who are in the process of forming the routine that will guide the rest of their lives. advertising to you then means that their products will become a part of the rest of your lifelong routine.

Sounds like Blue Sun to me.

DAISYDANA

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:17 PM

Hearing this almost totally makes up for the fact that the only Valentine's I got today were from my family, friends, and one guy at the office that has more than a passing resemblance to Badger!

"They have boy whores! Isn't that thoughtful?"
-Kaylee

ZIPPLY

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by oldfogey:
Sounds like Blue Sun to me.

MacDonald's... Coca-Cola... Disney.... Blue Sun learned a lot from those that preceeded it!

SICKDUDE

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:29 PM

Carrie, CW is the new TV network forming in the fall from the merger of UPN and WB (more or less).

Quote:
Originally posted by dog13000:
Ratings. Ratings, Ratings, Ratings. Networks do not have some magic system of counting how many TVs are tuned into their shows. They grab random people, shove them in a room and see what they think.

With that said, I would like to say a few things.

First off, WHO THE HELL were the 'random people' that originally saw Firefly, and DIDN'T give it a good rating. EVERYONE who gives the show the time of day loves it.

Second Off, Movie Sales. There are a lot of people who are fans, but didn't go see the BDM in theaters. Some people can't afford it (the show wasn't on cable after all...), others might not have a movie theater for miles, and others yet might just not be the movie goin' type. I know people in all of these situations.

Third OFf, Fan Base. In the time between the cancellation of the show and the BDM, the fan base probally quadruppled. In the time since the BDM was released, that number has at least doubled. With all these fans AND advertising on TV, the show could probaly have more fans then Supernatrual, West Wing, Everyone hates Chris, and most of the other garbage that is on Network TV combined. All that has to be done is putting it in a good time slot. NOT wendsdays at 7 when half of america (everyone but me) is watching American Idol, and Not Fridays at 8, when nobody is watching TV, ect.

Dog13000, please don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this is bad, or this won't work. I'm just saying more fans would be better. In fact, overwhelming numbers and millions of Browncoats would be best. Whether there's a show soon, a show later, a BDM sequel later, whatever. So we should keep doing what we have been doing: converting more recruits!

Also, I don't think people saw Firefly on Fox and gave it a bad rating, I think not enough people saw it on Fox at all.

"It's a cow."

DINKY

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:41 PM

Yeah I don't like Fox at all anymore, and it's not just because of Firefly.

They've had to cancel other shows for bad ratings as well, but yet they are being brought back today.

Futurama was canceled, they liked to move the show times around a whole lot for that show, it goes on Adult Swim and is revived, I hear the show is being started up again somewhere.

Family guy another canceled show revived by Adult Swim has already been restarted. I am pretty sure Family Guy was a FOX show right?

Fox just aren't good at all with television programming. I've some good feelin's 'bout Firefly returnin' :D :D.

"Th3re !s n0 spo0Ne." -The Matricks

FENCINGMASTER

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:53 PM

About time for some good news!!!

I'm past the sword fighting phase...

MYCROFTXXX

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:04 AM

Just keep all of this in perspective. Joss and no doubt the others involved in any future Firefly/Serenity project is going to be VERY close lipped about this project UNTIL they actually start shooting. Likely we'll find out about it through some third party like the caterers or the SFX companies and NOT from the core production unit. At least, not until the official CW (or whoever bankrolls this) PR comes out.

One small personal opinion on the whole WB/UPN thing... don't you find it a bit ironic that UPN, the same network that gave us the Star Trek franchise (or at least part of it) is involved? Coincidence? Maybe not. My bet is on a new Firefly with a stronger emphasis on the Sci-Fi and less on the western genre. I'd miss the latter but if it meant saving the show, so be it. In my mind it has always been about the cast and their relationship to one another and the ship.

Okay, flame on!

DONCOAT

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:01 AM

Okay, I'm keeping the hope under control. But I do have hope.

And here is the form my hope takes:

I hope that my Big Damn Pass for the December Flanvention II goes to waste, because the BDHs can't attend, because they're too busy shooting Firefly Season Two for CW.

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I don't disagree on any particular point.

DONCOAT

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by daisydana:
Hearing this almost totally makes up for the fact that the only Valentine's I got today were from my family, friends, and one guy at the office that has more than a passing resemblance to Badger!

Will you be my Valentine, daisydana?

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I don't disagree on any particular point.

FORDAITH

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:34 AM

It strongly seems like more and more signs point to this happening. It's just too conencidental to have all three of them leaving at the same time.

Believe me, I will by a TiVo just for this!

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:37 AM

Yup, my hopes are up, more than a little. The WB and UPN both had early successes with Joss shows (Buffy and Angel, respectively), so it's almost like he's "among family" over there already.

Also, as I've pointed out before, I think the SciFi network is the *logical* place for a Firefly resurrection - but if the CW wants to start bidding on it, more power to 'em. It would be sweet if both networks wanted it, and had to outbid each other in efforts to land the show.

I know that's pie-in-the-sky dreaming, but if you're going to dream, why not dream big? And what's the harm in hoping? If it doesn't happen, it's not like anyone promised me it would. Only that it *could*. I feel confident we haven't seen the last of our Big Damn Heroes on the screen, be it big screen or small. It might take a year, two years, three or ten, but they'll be back. I'm sure of it.

Now, another thing to think about: If you're a fledgling network and need to fill some time slots with something that will bring in that oh-so-important 16-29-year-old demographic, would you rather resurrect a "failed" series that comes with around 3 million all-but-guaranteed viewers, or would you rather roll the dice on something like "Ellen's Reasons Why Not" (cancelled after ONE episode!), which comes with exactly ZERO guaranteed viewers? Me, I'd try to anchor at least one time slot to a show that's already got a proven-loyal fanbase already installed. 'Course, maybe that's why I'm not a network programmer (that and that pesky soul I haven't been able to get rid of!)

Just a few thoughts to conjure on,

MikeIsAll Hoping

A baby seal walks into a club...

DAISYDANA

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:53 AM

Awww shucks DonCoat! That made me smile! I can always count on fellow Browncoats to make the day rock!

"They have boy whores! Isn't that thoughtful?"
-Kaylee

FIREFLYSREDEMPTION

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:37 AM

OK fellow Browncoats heres the score. We have a new super power coming into being. We have also been incredibly effective at developing a fanbase for a show that was cancelled after one season FOUR YEARS AGO! We ARE the mighty and we CAN accomplish great feats. The only Thing we are lacking now is a singular focus, a strategy. We need to strike while the iron is hot and force ourselves down the throat of the enemy, no longer shall we sit and hold this valley while the alliance grows in power, I say we take back lost ground now! I am sure that while there isnt a site for CW yet their perponents the WB and that other thing have sites to write to. We need to make our intentions known to CW and to Joss, let him know that reinforcements have arrived.If all we do is sit around and hope, how will anything be accomplished. We need to fight! If you are going to hope, hope for victory!

"Once youve been inside Serenity, you never leave"

FURIOUSMONKEYBOY

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:20 AM

faces@thewb.com - here is the email for th WB's feedback

Itried to find something for UPN..but there is no Email...only a webbased form that specifys: "do not submit...any ideas or suggestions for new television programs ("Unsolicited Ideas"). UPN's policy is to discard all Unsolicited Ideas. " - so they're probably no listening..

I've already sent emails to both..ya'll should do the same... but I have a query... does Fox not have rights to the series(did they ever) or is it just up for grabs to whomever wants to pick it up?

BLAZESOLO

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:28 AM

"The dreamer dreams on and dreams never die as long as we try..........we are riders to the stars". Can't remember who wrote it, but it seems very appropriate for this topic!

FIREFLYSREDEMPTION

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:41 AM

This is a copy of the email I sent to the address provided above to WB. I encourage all of my fellow Browncoats to do the same as soon as possible. Lets lay down some cover fire!

I am but one of a massive fanbase of a show known as FireFly. We are aware that a new entity is coming into being known as CW. We are also aware that the current focus is on viewers of my age group, (16-29). I understand enough about business and risk to know that a new show that has zero fanbase is merely a potential loss, a shot in the dark if you will. It is true however that a show with an established fanbase has much more potential to drive your ratings and your viewer base as there is already a foundation on which to build. Not to mention that this fanbase has more than quadrupled since the shows "cancellation" four years ago. That tells me that there are devoted followers ready to drive the new CW entity should they pick up the FireFly series. I hope that your industry realizes that the new face of the public requires stimulation and depth. I believe that the downfall of the show originally was due to the fact that those backing it did not want a story that actually pulled the audience in, they wanted mindless "no brains required" programming. Again I sincerely hope that reason will win over the new CW entity in this way; you will have a gaurunteed following at the shows inception, and you will be providing something new and unique from one of the greatest minds in script writing.
Thank you for your time and concideration.

Lathen Carlson

"Once youve been inside Serenity, you never leave"

CHICKENHED

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:43 AM

I don't want to hope too much.

Wait yes I do.

THEONETRUEBIX

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:25 AM

*bzzt*

http://whedonesque.com/comments/9548

FIREFLYSREDEMPTION

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:37 PM

Umm, ok what the heck does that post on Whedonsque mean? I just dont get his sense of humor.

"Once youve been inside Serenity, you never leave"

THEONETRUEBIX

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FireflysRedemption:
Umm, ok what the heck does that post on Whedonsque mean? I just dont get his sense of humor.

Ok. But all you really need to know is in the beginning: "Call me joss Whedon: Rumor Crusher!"

AVERARDUS

Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:06 PM

I have never ever wanted a TV show in my whole life, but I want my Firefly!!!

Please, please, please

Peace~
Aver

SILVERSURFER

Friday, February 17, 2006 1:50 AM

I'm yet another recent fan that wants this bad....how many new fans are there? I've seen some on other message boards.

SILVERSURFER

Friday, February 17, 2006 1:50 AM

Sorry double post.....but yeah, CW has to understand that DVD sales would also be monumental and the thing would just keep building and building.

FIREFLYSREDEMPTION

Saturday, February 18, 2006 5:58 PM

i agree wholeheartedly. I think that we need to make sure our presence is stronger than ever. FIREFLYFANS.NET is even listed in the special features of Serenity! Lets pull off another miracle.

"Once youve been inside Serenity, you never leave"

BARD

Sunday, February 19, 2006 11:15 PM

I'll be in my bunk.