umm..battlestar?

POSTED BY: terrifried
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TERRIFRIED

Friday, February 24, 2006 8:11 PM

i put it on my netflix queue, as it was recommended to me by both a large number of friends and netflix itself. so, any battlestar galactica fans out there, would it serve its purpose as my firefly fix?

"Well, I don't think of myself as a lion..."

CHINDI

Friday, February 24, 2006 8:20 PM

Hiya!

Yeah I am a fan. It is good. Well made and nice and LONG.. unlike our beloved Firefly (dang the powers that be)... it is NOT as good as Firefly (not as funny and snappy etc. etc. but it will fill the huge void left by Firefly's absence somewhat and the acting is superb...

Olmos is just great as Adama... I got the DVDS and whipped through them.. won't watch the new season til it comes out on DVD cus I want it IN ORDER>>> LOL

but its good... the villain is absolutely delicious... what a great part... is he evil or just crazy...who knows.. well the Cylons I suppose.

So enjoy.. it will help pass the time.

Chindi

JAEDE77

Friday, February 24, 2006 8:28 PM

While I respect Chindi's view and I LOVE my Firefly, I am a big fan of Battlestar Galactica as well and I don't think the two can really be compared as being "better" than the other.

Both are space fantasy... but pretty much, the comparisons end there. In BSG, there is not near as much humor, but it is acted extremely well. Most of the stories are good, some are mediocre. Zoic does the special effects (that's one reason to see it), and if you look back at the mini-series, you can see a cameo of Serenity show up in a fly-by on Caprica. Pretty nice of them...

All Browncoats should check out BSG and just give it a look-see... I would recommend starting out with the mini-series that was released in 2003. It's kind of a pre-pilot pilot, but does a good job of introducing the characters.

Have fun watching!

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SHINEYSHINDIG

Friday, February 24, 2006 8:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by terrifried:
i put it on my netflix queue, as it was recommended to me by both a large number of friends and netflix itself. so, any battlestar galactica fans out there, would it serve its purpose as my firefly fix?

"Well, I don't think of myself as a lion..."

YES it will fill a void.. but don't go in looking for the quirky humor of Firefly.. They are two very different, distinct shows.. Where Battlestar Galactica earns its own merit is in the fresh "reimagining" of the classic 70's show, adding intense drama and strong characters.. hey, those cylons have gotten pretty nasty themselves. The effects are stellar. BUT, you have to start from the beginning with the mini-series. You won't be disappointed.

a Swhat?

HIXIE129

Friday, February 24, 2006 8:44 PM

I am a big fan of Battlestar Galactica, it is the best sci-fi on TV (Stargate Atlantis is 2nd). BSG has good special effects, characters and a couple of hot women on the show too.

IRONSPY

Friday, February 24, 2006 9:13 PM

I'm not sure Battlestar would be what it is right now, if not for Firefly. The zooms, the "found footage" feel, and especially the out of focus CG were all Firefly's first. But BSG puts it to good use and really makes the sci-fi environment believable because of it.

The acting is great, the writing is great, blah blah blah, stop watching once you hit the second season. It feels like they ran out of stories and now they're just filling up space until they get back to the main plot.

Also, don't watch it right after Firefly. The writing won't seem so great.

LIGHTMEDARK

Friday, February 24, 2006 9:24 PM

I'm a fan of the show, definitely. It's a top 5 show for me...it's not Firefly, but it's good.

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STORYMARK

Friday, February 24, 2006 9:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ironspy:
I'm not sure Battlestar would be what it is right now, if not for Firefly. The zooms, the "found footage" feel, and especially the out of focus CG were all Firefly's first.

Not quite. Crash zooms, unfocused CGI, and the like were used in the battle scene at the end of Attack of the Clones, which was released 5 months before the premeire of Firefly.

But I agree with the other posters. Battlestar rocks! I've only seen the 1st season so far (waiting for the ENTIRE 2nd season on DVD, none of that season 2.0/2.5 crap).

And while no, it isn't as humerouse as Firefly, but it's a much grimmer premise. I imagine it's hard to be funny when you're part of the final surviving 1% of the human race, and you have big nasty robots gunning for you.

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STILLSHINY

Friday, February 24, 2006 9:49 PM

Gotta say Fixedbyfaith & I were introduced to the Battlestar series by some friends. We very reluctantly stepped into the fracking water. Putting aside my love of the original Starbuck Dirk forever!!! & adjusting to the new changes. I soon was hooked. I came home to find a BSG wallpaper on my wife's computer. I soon begand desperately dloading of BTorrent to get caught up. We currently average 2-3 episodes a night. We started last week & should be caught up by next Fridays show.

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JPSTARGAZER

Friday, February 24, 2006 10:03 PM

Someone jump in and clarify, but I think I heard (or read) something about Joss saying upon seeing Episode II, that they stole his idea, because he was doing the same thing with Firefly. It sounds like it's one of those things where two groups come up with a similar idea independent of eachother, and one comes out first. Does anyone remember where I might have gotten that? I can't remember, I've listened to so many commentaries and read so many interviews.

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REXJAYNE

Friday, February 24, 2006 10:05 PM

Well obviously it isn't Firefly, but I have to say I've never seen anything like it. It is just amazing. Though I must disagree about the second season, it's getting a little scarier and more intense, but I certainly don't think they're running out of stories. Every episode I end up gasping. They always surprise me, nothing is predictable. The characters grow, actions have consquences, and you're never really sure who the bad guys are. It just keeps you guessing.

The acting is amazing, the writing is great and the whole thing just seems so real. There's nothing on TV to compare to it. The Adamas, Sharon, Starbuck.. We're just totally addicted. We just bought the first season and started watching it over again now that we're halfway through the second season.

Sorry to gush, I've just been rather hollow since Firefly went down and it's been years since I've actually really liked anything being shown on TV.
Thank the gods for the Space channel.

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GARBAGECANMUSIC

Friday, February 24, 2006 10:07 PM

The crash zooms and unfocused CGI were NOT a part of The Attack of the Clones nor was it an influence.

And I am a Star Wars fan, so I'm not bashing blindly.

How much is that little Geisha in the window?

STORYMARK

Friday, February 24, 2006 10:10 PM

Don't recall reading that anywhere. I can see it being a case of both of them coming up with simmilar ideas at the same time, though. Maybe it was just a matter of the technology reaching a point where it was possible. If Lucas hadn't done it first, Joss would have. If not Joss, someone else...

But chronologically, there's no way Lucas could have really "stolen" the idea - unless maybe Joss called him up just to tell him about it. AOTC was out 5 months before FF premeired, and the lead-time on a feature film is much, much longer than TV (in most cases). Even though I've read that those particular shots/techniques were relatively late additions to AOTC, they still would have to have been put in a good 2-3 months before the May release.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

NUCLEARDAY

Friday, February 24, 2006 10:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jpstargazer:
Someone jump in and clarify, but I think I heard (or read) something about Joss saying upon seeing Episode II, that they stole his idea, because he was doing the same thing with Firefly. It sounds like it's one of those things where two groups come up with a similar idea independent of eachother, and one comes out first. Does anyone remember where I might have gotten that? I can't remember, I've listened to so many commentaries and read so many interviews.

"All I got is a red guitar, three chords, and the truth...the rest is up to you"
--Bono

I believe that in the "Train Job" commentary Joss and Tim are talking about that. How they thought they were doing this really neat and new technique with the CGI, and they saw Attack of the Clones, and there were a few scenes there that used it too. (Think it's during the scene at Niska's place IIRC.)

Quite frankly, it feels a bit more natural with Firefly. With that show it's more about fitting the CGI elements in with the rest of the camera style. In Star Wars they likely threw that in just 'cause they thought it looked neat.

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STORYMARK

Friday, February 24, 2006 10:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by garbagecanmusic:
The crash zooms and unfocused CGI were NOT a part of The Attack of the Clones nor was it an influence.

And I am a Star Wars fan, so I'm not bashing blindly.

How much is that little Geisha in the window?

Go watch AOTC again, at least the Geonosian battle at the end. The crash zoom/unfocused shots were not all over the scene or anything, but they were there. One that springs to mind is a shot looking past some clones on the ground, which crash-zooms to Padme in a troop transport in the distance (Anakin and Obi-Wan are in the ship, but Padme is the focus).

There were even articles written up in some FX and video journals, becuase those zooms were done in post, and were brought up as a strength of the (then-new) HD cameras they were useing, since with film, you can only zoom about 15% in post without noticable quality loss, but with HD you can get about a 30-50% zoom without much loss (for clarity, the shots was mostly CG, with Padme having been shot in live action).

And just to be a nit-picking bastard

, there's no "The" before "Attack of the Clones".

Sorry, I'm not just a fan, but a raving Star Wars nut.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

CHRISTHECYNIC

Friday, February 24, 2006 10:31 PM

I'll speak my bit without reading what anyone else has said.

Firefly and Battlestar Galatica have a lot in common, and a lot that isn't in common.

What they have in common are that they are shows set in space with Firefly camera work centering around people in futures with no aliens.

Centering around people is probably the big thing.

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What they don't have in common is that the people in Galactica are fugitives who were once in charge and are now actively being hunted down, the people on firefly are just plain fugitives.

Galactica has no aliens, like Firefly, but it does have cylons, and they are a driving force in the plot.

Firefly is a western, a land of opportunity and death, Galactica is just a land of death, there is not much room for humor. The Joss line that went something like, "Make it dark, make it edgy, make it something, but then for the love of god tell a joke," is not heeded.

Galactica is also a land of politics.

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The end result is that if what you like about Firefly is realistic human being who have real problems of various natures and live in a non-antiseptic space that looks like it could really exist as shown via Firefly style camera work and effects Galactia will work for you.

If what you liked was the humor, the non-gigantic non-epic story, the fact that they were not active in changing society and certainly not in positions of power, or any of that sort of stuff steer clear.

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The reason that the camera work looks the same, as someone has probably already said, is that the people doing Galatica said they wanted it to be like Firefly, the reason the effects work looks the same is that they are done by the same company.

IRONSPY

Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:24 AM

You know, I never noticed that in Attack of the Clones. Probably I was too busy cringing to pick up on the nuances.

But still, there's a big difference between camera effects added in post-production just for the hell of it and camera effects added for the sake of internal consistency and immersion.

If anyone was really immersed in Attack of the Clones for any reason, then I don't know how you could have liked Firefly, because you are made out of plastic.

STORYMARK

Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ironspy:
You know, I never noticed that in Attack of the Clones. Probably I was too busy cringing to pick up on the nuances.

But still, there's a big difference between camera effects added in post-production just for the hell of it and camera effects added for the sake of internal consistency and immersion.

If anyone was really immersed in Attack of the Clones for any reason, then I don't know how you could have liked Firefly, because you are made out of plastic.

Ouch.

But, sorry. Last I checked, I was still all fleshy. Just happen to like a lot of different types of scifi.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

STARSONG

Saturday, February 25, 2006 1:02 AM

Quote:
You know, I never noticed that in Attack of the Clones. Probably I was too busy cringing to pick up on the nuances.

funny. :D

As to BSG... it's very very done for what it is -- I do like it, most especially because it shares one very important quality with Firefly -- the characters are human. The society is recognizably human, not some utopian hodge podge where every human failing or political point is given its own special race.

That said... I'm kinda tired of shows focusing on all manner of official heroes. Call it Starfleet, call it EarthForce, call it the Colonial Marines (take your pick which set ;) ), heck, call it the Alliance... it's gotten old.

One of the best things about Firefly/Serenity is that they're just regular folks, and don't have the near-infinite resources of a great big ol' military behind 'em. Makes the stories more personable, more human. I like it.

ASEDATEDMOOSE

Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:24 AM

I saw a couple of episodes of BSG on NBC sometime last year (I think). I enjoyed them enough that when I saw that the first season was on DVD I giggled like the little schoolgirl I'm not and very excitedly paid the forty bucks from my rapidly decreasing funds. It's one of the best shows I have ever seen, alongside Firefly, but for different reasons.

The main thing that the two shows have in common is that they feel realistic and even plausible. But after that and the spaceships, they're completely different. BSG is even darker than Firefly and without much humor to speak of. But one of my favorite things is that you see the echos of anything that happens, and there's a sense of urgency through the whole thing.

You should check it out.

MIKAMOM

Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:48 AM

Does anyone here remember the origonal Battlestar Galactica? I know it is pretty dated compared to todays tv, but it had the humor that the new one doesn't. I admit that it wasn't "gritty". No tv from the early eighties was, though. Since it was cancelled after one season, (do I see a pattern here, hmmm?) we didn't get the chance for characture development. I think the networks were more controlling then and trusted action over substance. They are not much better now, but a few shows like Firefly and V. Mars are proof that when the network steps back and the writers and directors are allowed to do their work, we get something wonderful.

I am sorry for any spelling errors, I'm sick, it's late and I'm to lazy to check right now.

CHINDI

Saturday, February 25, 2006 6:34 AM

LOL I am old enough to remember the original and there was more humor.. I remember that the tour at Universal Studios used to have "Cylons" (the old model) who were pretty scary (at the time) and said "By your command" all the time...lol scared the bejeezus out of the little kids!!

I remember too when the Gallacticas finally got to Earth and saw the traffic on the LA freeway.. they were impressed that these "ships" were able to go in such great lengthy "formations".. it was funny...

I still prefer the humor and humanity of Firefly... but I do thinks the new BSG is pretty good and I like all the actors.. they do a great job.

Chindi

XEROGRAVITY

Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:12 PM

The old series was a piece of shit. The man who wrote it was forced to make a made-for-TV version of star wars. He had great ideas but had to tone them down and produce generic fodder for public consumption.

The great strength of the original BSG was the fact that "the creator" of the show had creative control over the special effects. Cylons were the coolest chrome-ified robot enemies ever, led by Gaius Baltar who destroyed 12 whole planets right off the bat. Forget the gay-ass Gaius Baltar in the "re-imagined" BSG2. The original was evil incarnate, an "in-your-face" bad guy. In the new BSG, Gaius is a weak-ass boytoy who is sleeping with a Cylon (but hey, it's been re-imagined).

Bonnie Hammer took over Sci-fi chan. Her influence is felt in this show. It's been "re-imagined". Did you know you aren't allowed to talk about this shit in the "official" Sci-Fi channel forums? Your posts will get deleted and your ISP banned.

The new BSG has NOTHING to do with the old one. It's basically a morality play about how a bunch of political do-gooders would react in space if they had ships that could travel across the galaxies and earth were destroyed.

It is not a remake of the original show. It's just a sci-fi version of daytime soap operas. But hey, what do I know? I'm just ignorant.

I tried to follow the new one, in spite of everything. I quit 3-4 eps ago. When Sci-Fi chan is on a political mission to try and resemble modern-day life with modern-day issues in the middle of a science fiction show, they stop being able to make decent sci-fi. Thx Bonnie Hammer. I'm glad Gaius Baltar is a conflicted science man of conscience and cylons are just misunderstood persecuted people (oh never mind that they destroyed 12 planets and annihilated presumably trillions of people, they are misunderstood and need to have a "resistance" support-structure on board the fleet of survivors ~ adios reality, hello hollywood politics).

Sci-Fi chan:

You've re-imagined BSG for me and it smells like the nightly news.

and PS ~ (ADAMA) E.J. Olmos will NEVER be equal in acting ability to Lorne Greene. He sucks, he sucks real real bad!

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

MIKAMOM

Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:12 PM

I try to forget that Galactica 1980 ever happened. WOW, was that bad! Not in a campy, funny way, either, but in a cringing, "OMG what have they done to my favorite show" way. I mean really, they can fly in space and they are going to be impressed by gas engines and radio waves. I think this one was created by network execs in committee rather than actual writers.

HAZE

Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:24 PM

I think the new BSG is a nice little slice of Sci-fi. Its quite true it owes a huge dept to Firefly in its visual effects style (Isn’t the CG done by the same company?)

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Who do you suppose is in there?

MIKAMOM

Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by XeroGravity:
The old series was a piece of shit. The man who wrote it was forced to make a made-for-TV version of star wars. He had great ideas but had to tone them down and produce generic fodder for public consumption.

The great strength of the original BSG was the fact that "the creator" of the show had creative control over the special effects. Cylons were the coolest chrome-ified robot enemies ever, led by Gaius Baltar who destroyed 12 whole planets right off the bat. Forget the gay-ass Gaius Baltar in the "re-imagined" BSG2. The original was evil incarnate, an "in-your-face" bad guy. In the new BSG, Gaius is a weak-ass boytoy who is sleeping with a Cylon (but hey, it's been re-imagined).

Bonnie Hammer took over Sci-fi chan. Her influence is felt in this show. It's been "re-imagined". Did you know you aren't allowed to talk about this shit in the "official" Sci-Fi channel forums? Your posts will get deleted and your ISP banned.

The new BSG has NOTHING to do with the new one. It's basically a morality play about how a bunch of political do-gooders would react in space if they had ships that could travel across the galaxies and earth were destroyed.

It is not a remake of the original show. It's just a sci-fi version of daytime soap operas. But hey, what do I know? I'm just ignorant.

I tried to follow the new one, in spite of everything. I quit 3-4 eps ago. When Sci-Fi chan is on a political mission to try and resemble modern-day life with modern-day issues in the middle of a science fiction show, they stop being able to make decent sci-fi. Thx Bonnie Hammer. I'm glad Gaius Baltar is a conflicted science man of conscience and cylons are just misunderstood persecuted people (oh never mind that they destroyed 12 planets and annihilated presumably trillions of people, they are misunderstood and need to have a "resistance" support-structure on board the fleet of survivors ~ adios reality, hello hollywood politics).

Sci-Fi chan:

You've re-imagined BSG for me and it smells like the nightly news.

and PS ~ (ADAMA) E.J. Olmos will NEVER be equal in acting ability to Lorne Greene. He sucks, he sucks real real bad!

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

Hi zerog,

I am so with you there. I can't go so far as to call it a piece of shit, though. I like the stories and actors too much. But yeh, if the network hadn't interfered so much and cut the budget way down, we could have had a higher quality show. Hatch, Benidict, and Greene will always have a special place in my heart. They gave the charactures a sense of nobility, the new ones just seem a little whinny to me.

Doesn't it seem like they threw poor Hatch some kind of bone with this series, after he worked so hard to get the origional back?

MIKAMOM

Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Haze:
I think the new BSG is a nice little slice of Sci-fi. Its quite true it owes a huge dept to Firefly in its visual effects style (Isn’t the CG done by the same company?)

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Who do you suppose is in there?

I thought that Firefly came before the BSG series? I had heard that it's the same CGI company. Maybe they developed the technique and the producers of both shows liked and used it?

Sorry,never mind me,I read the post backwards.

XEROGRAVITY

Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:51 PM

Hatch is a whore. He tried to "lead" the way on the revive BSG campaign, even wrote fiction books on BSG (against the will of "the creator").

He acted like he gave a shit about the show criticizing the direction sci-fi chan was taking it in, and now that's it back on the air (re-imagined), he has a starring role. He's a whore.

Benedict has kept out of it but I imagine we'll be seeing him sooner or later getting an actor's paycheck (just like hatch) ~ actors will be actors.

Hatch didn't work hard to get the show back on the air. He just milked the efforts of die-hard BSG fans who fought for 20+ years to get back on the air, and at the first hint of a payday he betrayed them so he could get his buttugly wrinkled face back on the air. Screw him.

I hate the new BSG. It's lame as hell.

The orginial cylons and their 1/2-disc ships didn't need to be re-imagined. It was the only thing about the show that I looked forward to seeing revamped with CGI graphics. Instead they just threw it out (baby with the bathwater).

But throw in a couple hot actresses as leads, a bunch of washed-up no-talents, and make it all political-now'ish. You have a "critical" hit.

Sci-fi chan didn't have to sell out, their audience was finding them (slowly but surely). They sold out in the moment of truth, and now we get this load of horseshit.

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

UNREGISTEREDCOMPANION

Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:06 PM

Sorry XG...couldn't disagree with you more. The new BSG has a depth never even imagined in the first series. It is like comparing the Adam West Batman to Batman Begins. Both serve a function, but one is pure camp, while the other is great drama.

That being said, last night's episode was FRACKING AWESOME!!!!

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ARCADIA

Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:36 PM

I love BSG. I have the everything through season 2.0 on DVD, and was going to wait until 2.5 came out in DVD to see it (sadly, I don't get scifi in the dorm, or at home because I don't get digital cable), but ended up breaking down and downloading all the episodes through "The Captain's Hand" off I-tunes. I love, love, love the show.

I am so pissed that last night's episode isn't on I-tunes yet.

On a weird note, I was looking at Aaron Douglass's website yet and he was talking about the break he gets between seasons two and three and I was like, "wait... so there will be a season three!" :-) And then I realized that of course there would be. It's scifi's top rated show. I'm so used to shows like Firefly, Veronica Mars, and Arrested Development being on the verge of cancellation that I find it totally weird to watch and show knowing that it won't be. Bizarre.

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GIXXER

Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:34 PM

New BSG. I saw the miniseries, and it wasn't terrible. (Mrs G, being a diehard original fan, refused to look at it.)

Equally, though, it wasn't all that fantastic. What killed it for me was:

- the human-looking cylons. Stupid idea. Was there a chrome shortage or something?

- the same-old same old. Ooh look, an ultra-villain appears week after week and never bloody gets caught. Crow's exit was how it should be.

-nobody appeared to be having a good time. Being all tortured and moody and stuff. And that bleeding president woman. What a moany git. Get over yourself. Where's Sigourney Weaver when you need her.

-dark, mumbly dialogue.

-getting nightmares when I saw the New Cylons. Damn. Somebody is channelling Sky Captain like mad. Same shape robots and the same desperately dull monotonic delivery of lines that made me give up without watching it to the end.

-the Apollo Guy's acting. Black hole of charisma or what? Guest speaker at an Actuaries' Convention. He has stories. Funny and sexy. Oh wait, they're not.

Pardon me, me head appears to have exploded.

G

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PRETTYPRETTY

Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:50 PM

Apollo's acting? I am a huge fan of Jaime Bamber's..I think he does great with the material. Then again, I am a 23 year old who was an obvious Simon fan, so take my adulation for what it's worth. Hot boys + space =happiness.

STORYMARK

Saturday, February 25, 2006 10:05 PM

Quote:
When Sci-Fi chan is on a political mission to try and resemble modern-day life with modern-day issues in the middle of a science fiction show, they stop being able to make decent sci-fi. Thx Bonnie Hammer.

In case you weren't aware, the original intention of science fiction is to use fantastical, fictional settings and circumstances to reflect and/or comment on current political and social issues.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

JUBEL

Saturday, February 25, 2006 10:07 PM

Firefly rocks...

battlestar rocks too...

the flamers obviously have too much time on their hands. it's a show. watch it. don't think.

fracking browncoats rock!

LEEH

Saturday, February 25, 2006 10:23 PM

OMG, YES!! I've watched every major scifi TV series for the past thirty years, and this one blows all of them out of the water. It's even better than our beloved FF, although not as funny; but it's better conceived and executed (although FF could easily have beaten it had Fox not killed it untimely). The characters aren't as likeable as our FF family, but they are very very real.

Smart story lines, socially-conscious themes, good writing, top-notch acting--that's what it's all about, isn't it?

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KNIBBLET

Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by XeroGravity:
It is not a remake of the original show. It's just a sci-fi version of daytime soap operas. But hey, what do I know? I'm just ignorant.

Forget the gay-ass Gaius Baltar in the "re-imagined" BSG2 ... weak-ass boytoy who is sleeping with a Cylon .

I have to ask, which is Gaius? Gay or a boytoy to a female model cylon? Unless of course you were using 'gay' as a slur.
I would have to agree. You are ignorant. And a bigot to boot. Good for you - be multi-talented.

XEROGRAVITY

Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:02 AM

Ok everybody, work with me here...

Basic synopsis of the show:

(this is the original premise as Glen Larson would have wished it to be... it should be noted that he ~ "the creator" ~ hates the new BSG, and I'm totally with him on this one)

Earth is the long-lost "13th tribe" of humanity. Apparently, many 1000's of years ago, human beings were advanced enough to have space travel. Somehow, chaos erupted and civilization collapsed. All of humanity de-evolved to become primitive and warlike. The 12 major planets fared ok, but the 13th planet (Earth, the most distant) became lost to history among the 12 worlds of BSG. It disappeared into myth. The people of Earth also forgot their roots and what was once the religion of their ancient ancestors is dismissed out of hand. That religion on Earth exists only as Greek mythology with all it's gods ~ Zeus, Apollo, Hera, Poseidon, Hermes, Ares, Nike, Dionysus, Athena, etc. etc.

So there is your basic premise... Earth evolved along a separate track from it's 12 cousins and now those cousins have been annihilated by artificially intelligent robots led by Gaius Baltar ~ note to jackass Knibblet: "Gaius" as in "Gaius Julius Caesar. Baltar was a power-mad psychopath who used the robots to destroy the planets in a bid to conquer his neighbors (like Caesar destroying the Roman Republic and replacing it with an imperial tyranny that ultimately doomed Rome.

Before there was ever "The Terminator", there were cylons. Larson was a fuckin genius. Sadly, the TV executives made him take his original vision for BSG and water it down with unbelievable gayness (like disco-teques in space, and feel-good optimism like you find in children's shows). If Larson had been given a free hand, the original BSG would have been 10X better than Trek.

A strange parallel with the original BSG and Firefly... both were ruined by greedy executives meddling with them, and doomed before they ever had a chance to blossom and grow.

The new BSG is gay as hell. The new Gaius Baltar is effeminant and weak... he doesn't inspire a sense of dread or fear in me. The new "Adama" has a bad actor with no gravitas... am I supposed to believe R.E. Olmos has leadership quality when he slurs his words and his acting has zero passion? And this Pres. Rosalin chick? She looks like a wide-eyed deer caught in the headlights. Oh ya, she's totally believable as leader of a people under siege by maniacal murderous robots. I love the flashbacks where she's education secretary fighting for the rights of underpaid teachers. Just kinda tugs at my heart strings. Oh Jesus my eyes are getting misty. I'm fuckin touched.

The whole storyline of this new show is just too friggin stupid to be believable. Why couldn't they get Larson into the loop and let him call the shots? The show would have been a timeless masterpiece of sci-fi. Nahh... they had to "re-imagine" it... gotta make it a fashionable and hip soap opera (kinda like disco in space was in the 70s).

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

DARKJESTER

Sunday, February 26, 2006 3:51 AM

Man. Bitter much Xero?

You don't like the new BSG, we get that. The old BSG would have been great(er) if the networks hadn't meddled, we get that too. But you called my friend a jackass for no good reason, 'cept perhaps she poked fun at you.

I was willing to read to your arguments, even though I disagree with most of them. The way you polarize the issue - something is either the greatest ever, or the absolute worst - is a great attitude for blind polemics, not so much for a discussion among friends.

Let's just watch the namecalling, eh? No, I'm no-one important. No penalty for telling me to go to hell. I'm just a Browncoat, asking for a little civility.

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

http://www.fireflytalk.com - Big Damn Podcast

XEROGRAVITY

Sunday, February 26, 2006 11:21 AM

Darkjester:

Hmm let's see. Knibblet calls me ignorant and bigoted. Doesn't add any substance to the debate. Just calls me names. So I called her a jackass. Why? Because she's a jackass.

Enter stage left:

You come charging to the rescue (you're so very heroic). There's always your type out there... cloaked in false group-hug humanitarianism ~ can't debate the facts before you gotta step in and announce "let the healing begin." Oh... let's not forget you get your digs in, insult me, and try to couch it in a fakey-ass heartwarming aura of wholesome goodness. I love the subtle insinuation that somehow I've already stated the facts of my case (which I hadn't). Perhaps your debating tact seems smart to you, but I can see you've been mercifully spared the ravages of intelligence. You're an idiot.

I know your type.. you can be found in Starbucks buying $5 cups of coffee (double-tall cafe latte decaf with soymilk), you hang out with alienated nihilists and existentialists (wannabes that run in packs), you have pseudo-intellectual discussions where everyone is categorized as "obtuse" or "bourgeoisie" or "blind polemics".

I have a picture of you in my mind... ponytail, wire-rim glasses, turtleneck, black beret and goatee, probably playing the bongos.

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

DARKJESTER

Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:14 PM

Who was it said "give 'em enough rope...."?

I thought you called yourself ignorant, she was agreeing with you.

Calling someone names adds nothing to the argument, therefore you call them names. I ask for some civility, so you call me names. Do I see a pattern here?

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

http://www.fireflytalk.com - Big Damn Podcast

BROWNCOATSRISEAGAIN

Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:59 PM

How about characters who are fundamentally flawed but still rise to the occasion when destiny demands it? (all the characters in both BSG and Firefly)

How about plotlines that aren't cookie-cutter and often cause our 'heroes' to show their failings?
(all the stories of Firefly and BSG)

How about an enemy so insidious and evil that they could be your best friend and you wouldn't know it?

How about leadership that is too weak at times and overbearing strength at others. (The Pres and Adama and Tigh versus Mal, the Operative, etc.)

Sounds more like a future reality than black/white characters and plots that some seem to prefer in this thread.

All entertainment has some tie-in to the reality it is part of. Otherwise you get art that no one understands or wants a part of. Commentary on current events is part of that tie-in.

My .02 Please flame on...

Andrew Schultz
www.browncoatsriseagain.com

TMURRIE

Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:09 PM

Battlestar Galactica is absolutly genious. They are pushing the bounds of creative television for the masses, even though most of the masses won't understand it and will resort back to WWF, or WWE, or whatever it is

I love battlstar Galactica so much, I think I'm gonna marry it.

XEROGRAVITY

Monday, February 27, 2006 11:07 AM

When the miniseries first came out, I knew it was gonna be bad 15 minutes into it. 4 torturous hours of boring dialogue, bad script writing, and bad acting ~ 4 hours with virtually zero combat. Where was the epic battle of human versus cylon? You hear about it but don't see it. Shit, if they couldn't budget any money for a decent space battle, or some skirmishing with cylons on the planet's surface, why bother remaking it in the first place?

And then there's the wardrobes... the minute I saw everyone from the homeworld running around in Brook's Brothers, Gucci, and Armani suits, I realised that the people making it were never fans of the original show (or misunderstood it's basic premise). This is supposed to be a culture of humans who've developed independantly of us for 10,000 years plus?? They all look like they just jumped off the cover of GQ magazine. And I'm not buying the "low budget" argument. Creative laziness, plain and simple. In the original BSG (which was low budget), they actually employed a wardrobe department and gave people tech-modern costumes that were reminiscent of ancient Grecian robes, togas, etc. The viper pilots and battle-crew's uniforms had a military feel about it which blended both ancient and modern-day world. The old brown costumes with the riding-boots were slick. Look at the original viper-pilot helmets... it's design had a cobra-like feel to it. Now they are wearing plastic bike-helmets with cheesy lighting and $20 jumpsuits that you can buy at any surplus store. Wow. They really went overboard in "re-imagining" that part. Whoopity doo and shit.

And Gixxer took the words right out of my own mouth about the new cylons being copies of that noir-ish "Sky Captain" movie. The most enduring aspect of loving the old show for anyone who grew up watching it was the original cylon ships and bots... The saucers (raiders) were just cool as hell, and the bots had an ominous electrical voice and a red oscillating light in their visors that eventually found it's way onto the front hood of the "Knight Rider" hot-road. We won't call it a rip-off.... we'll call it an "inspiration".

When we finally do meet the cylons in the series (since they never appear in the 4 hour mini), they are fighting a religious crusade to destroy humanity. Why? Cuz God told them to. Gimme a friggin break. Don't you you just kind of hate it when your toaster becomes a holy warrior hellbent on your own destruction? I knew mine was trying to murder me when all my toast came out burnt. Ya know... I'm an atheist. I couldn't give a shit about religion, but this is such a stupid political departure from the original show. This isn't BSG... a bad copy maybe, but they should have given the show another name. "Attack of the Religious Robots"? "Jihad-o-bots"? This whole unending arc about evangelistic androids and the seduction/betrayal of Gaius Baltar is just tedious and stupid.

One final thing to BROWNCOATSRISEAGAIN:

I have no problem with them making the characters in the new show flawed. In fact, that makes it more believable IMHO. The original series was too campy. I also thought making Starbuck into a hawt chick and throwing in the romantic tension potential with Apollo was brilliant. Hell... the android infiltration thing was a decent idea if it had been handled differently. But a handful of decent ideas does not a good series make. The script writing is horrendous, the plots boring ~ a bona-fide sleeping pill. And there are too many inconsistencies in the storyline from one episode to the next (which would take forever to spell out).

I was excited when I heard they were remaking a mini-series and potentially bringing back the show. I've stuck it out since day 1, but it started out bad, and has stayed that way for me. I was nostalgically loyal to the original BSG (watching it when I was a kid, dressing like a cylon on halloween, etc.), and for the last couple years I've tried to maintain an interest in the new one hoping they would, sooner or later, make it interesting. It's a dismal failure in that respect. I hate

STORYMARK

Monday, February 27, 2006 5:12 PM

XeroG--
Uhh... we got it. You don't like the new BSG. The fact is, though, at least on this board (and seemingly scifi channel's viewership in general), you are in the minority. A lot of people really, really like this new version. A lot don't like the old version. I for one thought it was waaaay to campy and cheesy. But I'm not going to rant and rave and call names just because someone else does like it.

You're ranting in this thread won't change anyone's mind, nor will our views of the show change yours. Go watch the original on DVD, go post on boards for that show. No need to be a troll around here.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

XEROGRAVITY

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:11 AM

Storymark:

Gee whiz. I love the "Uhh... ok we got it the 1st time" response. It's getting kind of generic.

I'm sorry dude. I didn't realise this was the "ONLY PEOPLE WHO LOVE BSG CAN POST HERE" thread. I guess if I'm a dissenter, I have to speak my piece, be called names, then lay down and take it... oh wait a minute...

I forgot. I'm THE ONE calling people names. I'm such a shit-disturber. But of course, whats-her-name was "only poking fun" when she called me an ignorant bigot. So very self-righteous. I'm always provoking people.

Get your snout out of Dark Jester's ass dude. Seriously. Dispute me on the facts (if you can). If your brain is equal to the task. Or lay another "Umm.. ok we got it the 1st time" line on me. Cheesy cop-out of an inferior intellect.

I'm a "ranter", I'm a "bigot", I'm "ignorant", I'm a "troll"... I love it. Gimme more.

XG

oh here it comes... part deux to the "Uhh... ok we got it the 1st time" response...

pt. 2:

"don't you understand if you keep discussing this with him you'll only provoke him more. clearly we're intellectually elite cuz he's a (YOUR CHOICE OF THE ABOVE)."

predictable as always.

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

STORYMARK

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by XeroGravity:
Storymark:

Gee whiz. I love the "Uhh... ok we got it the 1st time" response. It's getting kind of generic.

I'm sorry dude. I didn't realise this was the "ONLY PEOPLE WHO LOVE BSG CAN POST HERE" thread. I guess if I'm a dissenter, I have to speak my piece, be called names, then lay down and take it... oh wait a minute...

I forgot. I'm THE ONE calling people names. I'm such a shit-disturber. But of course, whats-her-name was "only poking fun" when she called me an ignorant bigot. So very self-righteous. I'm always provoking people.

Get your snout out of Dark Jester's ass dude. Seriously. Dispute me on the facts (if you can). If your brain is equal to the task. Or lay another "Umm.. ok we got it the 1st time" line on me. Cheesy cop-out of an inferior intellect.

I'm a "ranter", I'm a "bigot", I'm "ignorant", I'm a "troll"... I love it. Gimme more.

XG

oh here it comes... part deux to the "Uhh... ok we got it the 1st time" response...

pt. 2:

"don't you understand if you keep discussing this with him you'll only provoke him more. clearly we're intellectually elite cuz he's a (YOUR CHOICE OF THE ABOVE)."

predictable as always.

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

Ah, XeroG, let me guess: You have Dirk Benedict's picture on your pillowcase.

But, fine...I'l bite. Here's part 2 (since you suggested it):

No, didn't say you were only allowed to post if you liked the show. Others on here have also stated that they don't enjoy it.

The difference being you're just going on and on. We understand your position. If you have nothing to add...move on.

What "facts" are there to contest you on? I see a lot of opinion, which you are entitled to, but no facts. I was trying to be civil, and you go and attack my intellect. Feel free to do so, but realize that it pretty clearly reveals where you stand in that regard.

And I'm not going to throw out the "don't provoke him" line you brought up. If you want to make an ass of yourself by going apeshit over a show you don't like, more power to you. Just know, I'm laughing the whole time.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

BISHOP76

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:04 PM

While I do agree with you, XG, that this season's episodes seem to be really weak (especially the "pro-Cylon" resistance movement you mentioned - how the HELL does something like that even start up after probably trillions of people have been slaughtered), I do have to say that overall it's been a pretty good show. The characters are interesting and flawed and while the acting isn't perfect, it's not that bad either. The new designs are cool and updated (though the old looking Vipers are still my favorite).

And as someone else mentioned, the point of science fiction is to make you think about modern day issues while masking it in a fantastical world. Always has been, always will be. I can see your point to some extent on Galactica (especially the beat you over the head abortion episode a couple weeks ago which they didn't even bother to hide in some sci-fi allegory), but the overall storyline is really well done and I think that's what made the human Cylons a necessity. It's a post-911 enemy within/paranoia story, and I really don't think it beats you over the head with it - it just makes you think about it. Though the kid in me does miss the old Cylons and I hope they make an appearance at some point.

I think the biggest problem here is that you're far too dedicated to the old school. Glen Larceny (he has that nickname for a reason) is not that talented. You keep saying that without network interference, he would have created the most brilliant sci-fi show ever. Well, looking at his track record ( http://imdb.com/name/nm0488991/ - also, if you'll notice, he has a consulting producer credit for the new Galactica so I guess he's kind of the same "whore" Richard Hatch is, eh?) I have to honestly say that I think you'd be very very wrong. It was a great show to watch and enjoy as a kid, and I still have a special place in my heart for it, but it's lack of any complicated characters or plots and extreme cheese factor don't make it stand the test of time.

KNIBBLET

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DarkJester:
... But you called my friend a jackass for no good reason, 'cept perhaps she poked fun at you.

How sweet DarkJester
Jester

Knibblet
I appreciate the tilting at windmills for me, Jester. But you shouldn't waste your time or breath on windmills. Save it for those with pose a real danger - or argument for that matter.

I also appreciate the history lesson from you, Xero.
How else would I ever have known that you were comparing Gaius Baltar to Gaius Julius Caesar. Of course, the original Baltar didn't have a first name that I remember nor did the writers EVER compare him to any of the Caesars.

The original Baltar was a weak man who thought he was betraying his entire species for his own personal gain. The only reason he lived past the pilot was that the Cylons figured out their pet might make himself useful.

The Battlestar Galactica you remember so fondly never happened. You can extrapolate from other writings how it might have turned out without network interference - but you'll never know.

What I do know is that I watched it when it was on but winced at the heavy cheese sauce that covered everything.

I'm sorry that the wardrobe folk for the new show didn't think to design thousands of original suits and outfits for the program. Dammit! Too bad the producers of Serenity made a piece of crap and didn't bother to go to the effort of designing all original clothing. I'm going to have to notify Mr. Universe that you noticed his Wrangler jeans despite the plastic tag being removed.

One of the problems with science fiction on screen is the costumes. If the designers move too far away from what "we" wear, they risk the characters being mocked for dressing like dorks. All of the doofus alien civilizations on Star Trek come to mind. They all seemed to have societal uniforms. "Look at us. You can tell me live on Gibralter 4 because of our loose fitting trousers tucked into our boots and the same gray tunic tied at the sleeves."

The best way to go about it is to adapt what "we" are wearing. The flight suits are gorgeous btw and heck, they even have g-suits and shields over their helmets. What an idea!

The original flight helmets always made me think of the Egyptian Sphynx to go along with all of the other ancient mythological references.

Xero, I again raise the specter of your never-ending bigotry. First thing you'll learn when you leave Jr. High is ... using 'gay' as a slur immediately informs your audience that you're a pillock.

IRONSPY

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:25 PM

I see where everyone is coming with a lot of these arguments, but anyone who made the same tired comment about the new Gaius Baltar being weak immediately loses all credibility, because they obviously aren't using any sort of objective analysis.

What's more believable: a larger than life villain who leads an army of robots to... what? To take control? By destroying everything he wanted to control? Is there any actual human emotion that would cause someone to lead an army of robots against all of humanity? I'm going to go out on a limb and say no, not under any circumstances.

Or is it more believable to have a character who is flawed by his own self-obsession and his own passions, so that he's willing, not to sacrifice humanity, but to risk its sacrifice, to get what he wants? And then he starts to crack under the strain of it, knowing he's responsible for such atrocities.

No, I'm sorry, having more than one dimension doesn't make a character weak. In fact, it's the thing that made Firefly so great--the characters all existed within the range of real human emotions. Their goals and feelings were goals and feelings that real people could have. With the possible exception of the Blue-Hands, it always blurred the lines between heroes and villains.

RIVER6213

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:13 PM

When the 1st BSG came out I loved it, and could not wait to watch the next episode. At the time I didnt know that it was cheesy, I just loved it. I loved the costumes, the fighters,the battlestar itself, and I loved the characters even though they werent very realistic...it was pure entertainment for me.

Then the new BSG came out and I watched the mini-series when itunes offered it up for downloading. I have to say that I was hooked with this new child of the original BSG right off the bat. It is well done, and I love the new remake of Starbuck and Boomer. I'm not sure if I like the new Apollo, but I have to say that he is much better than the original. I even like the new and very flawed Colonial Tigh, and I just love Commander Adama! I also like the fact that they have a president on the ship. This new BSG blows the old one out of the water. Everyone is SO flawed in this new remake...it makes it so real

This new BSG is dark and scary, and real. Its gritty and cold. I love the new self-absorbed Gaius Baltar, who has SIX (a cylon woman) talking to him in his head all the time. I love what they did to the Cylons...totally great, but I'm still uncertain exactly what their ultimate plan is besides the total elimination of all of humanity.

Starbuck is a totally, wonderful and pathetic character. She reminds me of myself when I was in my 20s. Good at what she does, bucks authority, drinks way too much, and always punches people and ending up in the brig. I like the fact that Boomer is a Cylon who didnt know she was a Cylon until she was activated and tried to kill Adama!

This new BSG is captivating, interesting, deep and a total soap opera, but it is a good soap opera, and well worth watching. I cannot see how the old BSG crowd cannot like this new BSG. Sure, I loved the old Starbuck, but the new one is so much more interesting. I loved the old Vipers and the old Battlestar, but the new ones blow the old ones out of the water. This show is as interesting as Firefly, so I don't know why Xerogravity and a few other people don't like it.

The orignal BSG was great for its time, but this new BSG is what I like to call the ADULT version of BSG...flawed characters, Firefly-like special effects, back-stabbing crew members, mutiny, sex, love, hates, and a race of machines/cyborgs that believes in god, yet want to show that belief right off by trying to wipeout humanity. I also love the fact that a Cylon ship/fighter is a CYLON itself...it was bred to be a fighter or a Baseship. There is this one episode called "Scar" where a Cylon fighter is full of rage and it flies around killing colonial fighters red baron style...what a great concept, a fighter full of rage! This is great stuff and I can't wait for more, and if this makes me a moron...so be it.

My favorite BSG episodes:

Part 4 of the mini-series
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Flesh and Bone
The Hand of God
SCAR
Resistance
Pegasus
Downloaded

River

Beans and rice?

WHISKEYJAKE

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DarkJester:
Man. Bitter much Xero?

You don't like the new BSG, we get that. The old BSG would have been great(er) if the networks hadn't meddled, we get that too. But you called my friend a jackass for no good reason, 'cept perhaps she poked fun at you.

I was willing to read to your arguments, even though I disagree with most of them. The way you polarize the issue - something is either the greatest ever, or the absolute worst - is a great attitude for blind polemics, not so much for a discussion among friends.

Let's just watch the namecalling, eh? No, I'm no-one important. No penalty for telling me to go to hell. I'm just a Browncoat, asking for a little civility.

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

http://www.fireflytalk.com - Big Damn Podcast

Afreakinmen. I have noted a tendency on any forum type site I'm on that you will always find someone who is overly opinionated and under socialized enough to flame anyone who disagrees with them.

As to BSG, I'm going to be catching up with it once the second season rolls over into reruns. It's a good show if you don't make the mistake so many obviously have. It's not the original. Don't compare it to the original. The original was good for it's time but it would fail miserablly in today's market.

"These are cold blooded killers, they ain't cuddly like me."

HIXIE129

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:47 PM

BSG is my favorite. That episode of SCAR was really good And Scar will be back which is even better.

BISHOP76

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:15 PM

Unfortunately, Scar won't be back. Remember, they destroyed the Ressurection Ship? It was one of the few (very few) standout episodes of Season 2.5, though. Since it's restarted for season 2.5, I've enjoyed Ressurection Ship (both parts), Scar, and now Downloaded - everything else in there was pretty lousy.

ALMIGHTYWOOKIE

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bishop76:
Unfortunately, Scar won't be back. Remember, they destroyed the Ressurection Ship? It was one of the few (very few) standout episodes of Season 2.5, though. Since it's restarted for season 2.5, I've enjoyed Ressurection Ship (both parts), Scar, and now Downloaded - everything else in there was pretty lousy.

They destroyed A resurrection ship, chances are like with all things Cylon, there'll be another. You don't think they'd spend 40 years of planning galactic domination and only build one surely?

"The man they call...MEEE"

WHISKEYJAKE

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by XeroGravity:
Darkjester:

Hmm let's see. Knibblet calls me ignorant and bigoted. Doesn't add any substance to the debate. Just calls me names. So I called her a jackass. Why? Because she's a jackass.

Enter stage left:

You come charging to the rescue (you're so very heroic). There's always your type out there... cloaked in false group-hug humanitarianism ~ can't debate the facts before you gotta step in and announce "let the healing begin." Oh... let's not forget you get your digs in, insult me, and try to couch it in a fakey-ass heartwarming aura of wholesome goodness. I love the subtle insinuation that somehow I've already stated the facts of my case (which I hadn't). Perhaps your debating tact seems smart to you, but I can see you've been mercifully spared the ravages of intelligence. You're an idiot.

I know your type.. you can be found in Starbucks buying $5 cups of coffee (double-tall cafe latte decaf with soymilk), you hang out with alienated nihilists and existentialists (wannabes that run in packs), you have pseudo-intellectual discussions where everyone is categorized as "obtuse" or "bourgeoisie" or "blind polemics".

I have a picture of you in my mind... ponytail, wire-rim glasses, turtleneck, black beret and goatee, probably playing the bongos.

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

Stereotype much? If we were to follow the same thought process I'd have to say you're either a suit wearing tightwad conservative or maybe the other direction and the angry neogoth that calls their poor social potty training "angst" or "moral outrage". Maybe you're just spoiling for the stimulation of an argument?

"These are cold blooded killers, they ain't cuddly like me."

BISHOP76

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:50 PM

Well, it is my understanding that because there was no Res Ship, Scar wouldn't have been able to download to anywhere. I'm sure they could bring another Res ship in given enough time, but not in enough time to save Scar.

FIRESTALKER

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:25 PM

I've watched the show a couple of times and I love it, but... I can't get past the "Fracking" instead of "F***ing" language. Farscape had Frell and Firefly has Gorramn. They fit well, but "Frack" makes my cringe when I hear it.

What the last episode? The one whne Boomer is reborn and the resistance blows up the cafe? Anyway... Boomer yells something like "Why?! Because I'm a Fracking Cyclon!!" It made me cringe and ruined the whole scene for me.

Just my opinion.

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"You know what the definition of a hero is? Someone that gets other people killed."

RIVER6213

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Firestalker:
I've watched the show a couple of times and I love it, but... I can't get past the "Fracking" instead of "F***ing" language. Farscape had Frell and Firefly has Gorramn. They fit well, but "Frack" makes my cringe when I hear it.

What the last episode? The one whne Boomer is reborn and the resistance blows up the cafe? Anyway... Boomer yells something like "Why?! Because I'm a Fracking Cyclon!!" It made me cringe and ruined the whole scene for me.

Just my opinion.

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"You know what the definition of a hero is? Someone that gets other people killed."

Well, just be glad that the writers didnt choose the original BSG swear word and insult....what was it, oh, yes, it was Phelgercarb, or something like that. I'm so GLAD that the new BSG didnt decide to use this!

River

Where is the salt?

XEROGRAVITY

Thursday, March 2, 2006 1:57 AM

Ok. Over time. I'm gonna respond to all of this. This is just alot to respond to.

I thought I was having a private pissing war with Frau KNIBBLET and her heathen horde of band-wagon minions.

Apparently not.

River90210:

"Frack" was the major curseword from the original BSG.

Don't ever forget that. This ain't some invention of the almighty Moore-whore. He lifted it from the original show.

XG

Totally overwhelmed with information overload. And oh ya...

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

RIVER6213

Thursday, March 2, 2006 3:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by XeroGravity:
Ok. Over time. I'm gonna respond to all of this. This is just alot to respond to.

I thought I was having a private pissing war with Frau KNIBBLET and her heathen horde of band-wagon minions.

Apparently not.

River90210:

"Frack" was the major curseword from the original BSG.

Don't ever forget that. This ain't some invention of the almighty Moore-whore. He lifted it from the original show.

XG

Totally overwhelmed with information overload. And oh ya...

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

*River90210? LoL!*

Oh god! Here we go!
Yes Xerogravity, I know Frak was a swear word that they used in the original BSG, but Phelgercarb was a running 2nd. I recently watched the whole season of the original BSG just for old times sake, and Phelgercarb was used a lot! I'm SO glad they decided not to use it in the new series because is sounds SO stupid. Frak is passable, Phelgercarb is just plain icky. And yes, I know the writers of the new BSG lifted "frak" from the old series.

Also, in the original series, Pyramid was a card game not a ball/court game in case you didnt notice. You should show up in the Sci-Fi Forum and try your arguments out in the BSG room...it would be fun to watch those die-hard BSG fans smack you around....I'll bring the popcorn.

By the way, comparing the old BSG with the new BSG is just like comparing the 1960s series Batman with the latest movie Batman Begins. You can't compare them, and if you do indeed like the old BSG better than the new one, which you stated that you didnt, well, I really don't know what to say to you regarding that, but I can say this...you are missing out, you really are.

Xerogravity, I'm a strange one, but you are even stranger...whats your story? I don't expect an answer to that since you are so uptight, but I thought I would give it a try. I know you have to maintain your image as The Savior of Rome.

River

She fell, and fell, and fell...

KNIBBLET

Thursday, March 2, 2006 12:35 PM

It does boggle the mind doesn't it?
Xero doesn't like the original.
Xero doesn't like the new series.
Why are we having the conversation?

I don't like liver.
I don't like head cheese.
I have NEVER had a argument about how liver could be better if only nature hadn't interfered and made it ucky. And I've never followed up with how head cheese is just a sad version of ucky liver.

I'm thinking Xero needs a hobby. A hobby outside of wasting bandwidth comparing two things he doesn't like that is.

RIVER6213

Thursday, March 2, 2006 3:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Knibblet:
It does boggle the mind doesn't it?
Xero doesn't like the original.
Xero doesn't like the new series.
Why are we having the conversation?

I don't like liver.
I don't like head cheese.
I have NEVER had a argument about how liver could be better if only nature hadn't interfered and made it ucky. And I've never followed up with how head cheese is just a sad version of ucky liver.

I'm thinking Xero needs a hobby. A hobby outside of wasting bandwidth comparing two things he doesn't like that is.

Yes, it is weird! If he doesnt like the old and new BSGs, why even bother kicking up a fuss in this thread? The answer to that is because it gets our goats. We rush in to defend our show because we love it so much and find it interesting. I BET Xerogravity secretly watches the new BSG and actually likes it himself...he just won't admit it I bet, he's just way into the Devil's Advocate thingy.

The new BSG is a shiny show, and I havent missed an episode. I have every episode of BSG, Serenity, and Firefly on my ipod video. The new BSG is quality programming; good entertainment, and there is no force in the 'verse that could ever make me dislike the show.
So there!

River

Kickin in the Burn!

FIRESTALKER

Thursday, March 2, 2006 4:09 PM

I love the show also [I haven't watched enough of it to say I'm devoted to it yet], don;t get me wrong. I just thought that Frack sounded rather wierd in the show. I can get by it, if thewy didn't use it so freaking much!

I'm watching the season finale on friday and I'll decide if it deserves my devotion then.

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"You know what the definition of a hero is? Someone that gets other people killed."

XEROGRAVITY

Friday, March 3, 2006 8:38 PM

Storymark:

Dirk Benedict's picture on my pillowcase?

Nah Storymark. Not quite. But I would gladly tack up a poster of him in my garage on my hero-worship wall of manly-men. In the old BSG, he's a fly-boy jock, fearless warrior, and adventuring rogue who kicks in doors with his laser pistol in hand. He's ready to go down fighting. Fuck ya! I'd tack that SOB's picture up on my wall of idols. If he fell in battle, I'd commemorate his ass with viking-like warrior songs around the council fire. His name would live in legend. Why? Because he's a man and a warrior. I'd tack his picture up where it could be honored.

But never on my pillowcase... the only pics I'd tack on my pillow have breasts, no penis, and are 100 percent women. I don't swing that way. I wouldn't be suprised if you are they type who tacks a pic of "Gaius Baltar" on your pillow though. You secretly gay dude? Sounds like it.

Bishop76: You agree with me (or so you say) yet you think the "new" Vipers are great looking (then you counter my POVs).

The "new" Vipers are the ONLY thing in the show they didn't "re-imagine". Outside of the a lil more dirt-&-grime and wear-&-tear (good ole CGI graphics), and a handfull of decals and minor details... the new vipers are identical to the old. If they had done the same with cylon ships and bots I'd bite my upper-lip and endure the hideous acting, the bad storyline, etc.

Other's have said what you are now saying (a quote from Storymark more-or-less... "the original intention of science fiction is to use fantastical, fictional settings and circumstances to reflect and/or comment on current political and social issues.").

I haven't tackled this issue yet, but I will now. I take issue with all of you on this notion that (as you put it Bishop76) "the point of science fiction is to make you think about modern day issues while masking it in a fantastical world."

That's absurd you buncha fools. That's insanely stupid and false. Sci-fi is not about proving how this or that point of view in modern-day politics will be demonstrated correct in the future. It's about pure fuckin fantasy WITHOUT the hindering effects of politics. It's about HOW science will reshape the future. Not how it'll prove some ideological load of modern-day horseshit correct. These partisan whores who would argue otherwise are "die-for-the-cause" hacks who never loved scifi to begin with (like Spielberg and his remake of H.G. Wells "War of the Worlds".. he should stick to archaeologist with a whip and pistol fighting nazi-flicks, but then his creativity was been tapped out long ago and he's nothing but big-budget politics anyhow).

The political whores who dicatate what's allowable scifi want their cause shoved down scifi fan's throats because they think it'll get their candidates more votes. Left and Right. More left than right (since "blacklisting" of the right is alive and well ~ the pendulum swings, and is about to swing in the opposite direction, once again -- eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, an endless cycle of revenge, etc.). I just love seeing politics argues in the arena of science and science fiction. Can't get enough, please gimme more.

It's all just a tool for a bunch of phoney-ass political whores to promote their "important" issue of the hour. Fuck them! I hate the whole damned lot of them. I wish they'd keep their politics out of my fuckin scifi but that just ain't ever gonna happen. But hey... Bishop76 and crew, believe what you want. As LEEH says (who blasphemes and says the new-BSG is better than FF), the new show is "socially-conscious" according to her. Ya ya sure sure.

Fuckit. If that's the case then I'm gladly, happily, and proudly "ANTI-socially-conscious". I'd prefer Mal kicking Viking-dude into the engines 8 out of 7 days a week (OMG the violence must stop. lets hold hands and say a prayer for world peace) versus the girly menfolk of new BSG. Mal the man-warrior, I would die for... the "warriors" of new-BSG I would die laughing at.

Combo of bad actors and bad scriptwriting. But hey..

XEROGRAVITY

Saturday, March 4, 2006 3:33 AM

Ah. I've been doing some searching on the net. Apparently I'm not the only person who thinks the new BSG sucks... Cute lil rant I found:

(will reprint it here w/link)

Plotlines of new Battlestar Galactica episodes (spoilers)

At least 6 episodes of the "new" Battlestar Galactica are being produced for the scifi channel. Our spies tell us about the following plotlines:

1) The Cylons launch a surprise attack, disrupting Starbuck and Boomer's lesbian wedding.

2) A Cylon operative slips a secret ingredient in Commander Adama's chilupa which makes him both indecisive and impotent.

3) President Roslin goes through menopause, getting hot flashes that set off warning indicators on the Galactica.

4) A new Cylon model is revealed, in the form of Robin Williams. He comes aboard the Galactica offering a peace treaty, but is secretly paving the way for an attack by demoralizing the crew with his unfunny humor.

5) Athena, played by Jennifer Lopez, makes an appearance. She wants to wear sports bras and short shorts on the bridge against the Commander's express orders, causing a crisis.

6) A cylcon suicide bomber crashes into the landing bay and starts a huge fire, cutting power and disrupting Starbuck's sex change operation, raising doubts as to whether her new male genitalia will work properly.

original link... (citing my source)
http://www.allscifi.com/board.asp?BoardID=22591

The defending responses are so reminiscent of the the type of slanderous crap I've had to defend against since I voiced my hatred of the new-BSG.

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

RIVER6213

Saturday, March 4, 2006 4:19 AM

Xerogravity got that so-called "source" out of ONE forum on Sci-Fi's, BattleStar Galactica board that's for people who STILL think that the old BSG is STILL the best. Those people are complete retards and are the total minority of the BSG board.

Xerogravity must type with his chin.

CYBERSNARK

Saturday, March 4, 2006 4:46 PM

I try not to get involved in flamewars. I really do. . .

Quote:
Originally posted by XeroGravity:
I take issue with all of you on this notion that (as you put it Bishop76) "the point of science fiction is to make you think about modern day issues while masking it in a fantastical world."

That's absurd you buncha fools. That's insanely stupid and false. Sci-fi is not about proving how this or that point of view in modern-day politics will be demonstrated correct in the future.

I don't think that's what the "thinking about modern issues" implies. "Social commentary" is not necessarily "propaganda."

Sci-fi is about arguing how this or that point of view in modern-day politics can be demonstrated wrong in whatever circumstances (the future, an alternate timeline, an "alien" situation, or even in the present).

Ultimately, Sci-fi is something that should help people think, for better or worse. Much like The Daily show, it's not about expressing approval of any one stance, but about pointing out weaknesses all around, urging people to consider their stances rather than just accepting them.

Frankly, I don't see any "proving" going on in new Galactica. The Cylons do or don't have souls, God is or isn't helping the Cylons, security is or isn't more important than freedom, religion is or isn't more about hope than truth. . . Lot of questions being raised, lot of people dealing with them in their own unique ways that may or may not work for them as individuals.

Quote:
Fuckit. If that's the case then I'm gladly, happily, and proudly "ANTI-socially-conscious". I'd prefer Mal kicking Viking-dude into the engines 8 out of 7 days a week (OMG the violence must stop. lets hold hands and say a prayer for world peace) versus the girly menfolk of new BSG. Mal the man-warrior, I would die for... the "warriors" of new-BSG I would die laughing at.

You mean Mal, who exists on the edge of a society (which contains both good and bad extremes), and who is doing so because of his political stance against centralized bureaucracy and in favour of individual freedoms (and yet who must enforce his own leadership philosophy --that of a meritocracy-based voluntary-dictatorship-- over his crew, despite their own varying outlooks and philosophies)? Mal who believed sufficiently in this political truth that he was willing to fight for it, and who frequently expresses ethical (Inara's chosen vocation, Niska/Badger/Fanty&Mingo's mobocratic communities, Kaylee's pacifism) and political opinions (Simon's port of origin, Jayne's followers on Canton, the Alliance's crimes against humanity) both of and to his crew? That Mal?

Yeah, Firefly doesn't have any political commentary at all.

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

T3L

Saturday, March 4, 2006 6:44 PM

I liked Battlestar am still watching the second series.
Just watched all the Firefly series this week and then watched Serenity last night. Have to say I was quite saddened by the fact that I had watched them all and there would be no more :(

So i thought i would seek out others who loved the show. Hello all

CYBERSNARK

Saturday, March 4, 2006 8:34 PM

Then let me be the first to welcome you. Flag down FollowMal (or Kaele, or just break into the storage room on your own) to get your browncoat, grab a seat and whatever chow drifts into view. We're all family here, don't let the bickering put you off.

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

UNREGISTEREDCOMPANION

Sunday, March 5, 2006 4:16 AM

Hey IRONSPY,

I am thinking along the same lines as you. The new Baltar is NOT a stereotypical "mustache twirler", he is a deep, complex individual where the old Baltar was rather 1 dimensional. Hell, there are even times when you LIKE the guy, and then he goes and does something wrong for the right reasons, or something right for the wrong reasons.

I think the actor who plays him is a FRACKING GENIUS!

~~~~~
"Funny and sexy. You have no idea. And you never will."

XEROGRAVITY

Monday, March 6, 2006 2:01 AM

Cybersnark:

That is absolutely the most concise and clear-cut analysis of Mal I've ever read. And no, I'm not being cynical or sarcastic. You hit the nail on the head. My compliments to you.

All his foibles aside, I find Mal heroic. I haven't seen a main character on any show in ages who has that kind of brass. Doubtful I will again. To me, it's no wonder the show got deep-sixed.

T3L:

Welcome to the fray. Everyone here has been through that hopeless feeling of emptiness that comes when you realise you've just watched the last episode of FF.

Might I suggest a bottle of vodka? Works for me.

UNREGISTEREDCOMPANION:

The "new" Baltar is a superb actor. No doubt about it. I just hate the way his character is written. I also can't get past the fact that he looks like A. Siddiq (the guy who played Doctor Julian Bashir on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine). The resemblance is uncanny. And both were written to be equally meek.

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

CHRISISALL

Monday, March 6, 2006 2:17 AM

XG, you're certainly pretty feisty on this particular thread, no?

Let me put it all in perspective.

Battlestar Galactica is all about the Vipers.
Awsome in the original series, awsome in the new one. Everything else is just the felgercarb in between shots of the most perfect one-man space fighter ever designed.

Don't bother to fight me on this; it is unqualified, indisputable fact.

Well, IMHO Chrisisall

XEROGRAVITY

Monday, March 6, 2006 6:22 AM

I'm not gonna dispute you dude.

Yes. BSG is all about the vipers. You've uncovered the 1-dimensional and transparent nature of my posting.

Take a bow.

You've put it in perspective. Someone please assfuck me till my head explodes. I did'nt realise I was so shallow.

Thank god (if such a thing exists) that Chrisisall put it into perspective for me.

Holy fuck I've been so blind.

XG

Godless and friendless viking

CHRISISALL

Monday, March 6, 2006 2:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by XeroGravity:

Holy f**k I've been so blind.

XG

Um...you want to be alone right now, don't you?

Time out for you, young man.
No Vipers for you today!

There is no gravity, your posts suck Chrisisall

KNIBBLET

Monday, March 6, 2006 2:26 PM

We truly need to learn to stop feeding the trolls.

The proper response is to turn your back on the troll. Ignore the pathetic whinging and complaining. Pay no mind to the expletives and explosions. Overcome the urge to pet the slimy creature.

Just let it be. Ignore it. Soon, lack of food will force the troll to find another bridge (or board) to torture.

http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/MN-Firefly/ Big Damn Shindigity Good Time
http://www.fireflytalk.com - Big Damn Podcast

XEROGRAVITY

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 1:00 PM

I feel like I'm at a very 3rd rate tent revival of new-BSG fanboiz/galz.

You all find someone who disagrees with your conventional (and predictable views)... you don't debate... you just attack.

And you attack, and you attack, and you attack.

Lemme summarize...

(1)

I'm "repetitive" (as storymark would put it) (I'd love to hear him give a singular concrete example of me repeating myself, but hey... why bother?)

I'd like to think the only thing repetitive in my line of thinking is my hatred of the new show.

But nah... I'm just a broken record who repeats the fuck out of myself. Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, care to show me a single example of repetition in my posts? ...ya once or twice I reiterated what I'd already said IN RESPONSE to a direct question in this same thread (for idiots who didn't get it the first time)...

but please show me where I'm repeating myself. You can't (cuz I don't).

(2)

I call people names. Odd... the only people I call names are the public figures who make this crappy show.

Yet, fanboiz/galz call me names, and when I call them names back, they say "Oh hey wait hey now stop that c'mon no need for namecalling..." ~ even though they struck first. Of course, they deny it (even though it is simply disproven by going back and re-reading this same fuckin thread).

But hey.... people believe what they want to believe... they rise up and defend idiots like this because they haven't read this entire thread.

They just wanna chime in with their opinion... fuck the facts, it's all about being a mindless fanboi/gal of the show.

(3)

Chrisisall:

I've seen every retarded form of low-brow debating tactic in this thread 2X at least. You're the first to isolate a singular insignificant fact and pretend it's the whole thrust of my argument. Your stupidity is unique in this thread in that respect (although not unique among feebleminded debaters).

Go watch "Planet of the Apes" ~ the original. Pay close attention to the courtroom scene where Heston is proven guilty in the ape court of law.

It's relevant to that tiny little brain of yours. You could learn something.

Knibblet:

You're managing to win this argument on pathos alone.

You know what "pathos" means don't you?

Go look it up in a dictionary. Oh... please don't feed the trolls. Starve them out.

Just don't dare debate them. And PS ~ I could SO annihilate you on the facts if I didn't have to deal with all your bootlicking whore assassins.

new-BSG sucks (unless your brain is the size of a pebble).

XG ~ unrepentant

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

THUNDER

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 1:12 PM

It's a good show. Serenity is in the back ground in the mini series & in the extras they say almost the same thing as Joss about the way it was filmed.

THUNDER

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 1:29 PM

I remember the original series the 2nd is a lot better

MSCKAREN

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 3:14 PM

The new BSG is very good and worth your time. The second season has had a few stumbles but I'm sticking with it and hoping these were just experiments that didn't go well. (I like a show that takes chances even if they don't always pan out.)

The missing element compared to FF is the funny, although I've noticed a (very) few moments in the last few episodes.

Overall, this is the best SF on TV right now.

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"Appears they've cancelled the show and we're still here. What does that make us?"
"Big damn junkies, Sir!"
"Ain't we just."
http://karenallover.blogspot.com/

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 3:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by XeroGravity:

I've seen every retarded form of low-brow debating tactic in this thread 2X at least. You're the first to isolate a singular insignificant fact and pretend it's the whole thrust of my argument. Your stupidity is unique in this thread in that respect

I didn't say it was the thrust of your argument; in point of fact the thrust of your argument is the argument itself. You want a war (are you Cheney?).
And you overlook the most important aspect of the shows, the glorious Viper.
You're not a fan of the original series, or you'd know this. You probably don't even have a plastic modle kit of the Viper (w/home made cockpit-not included) like I do, do you?
{ad hominim} You are a pathetic, Viper-less loser.{/ad hominim}

P.S.:
"you attack, and you attack, and you attack.
I'm "repetitive"
me repeating myself,
the only thing repetitive
I'm just a broken record who repeats
repetition in my posts?
I reiterated
show me where I'm repeating myself.
2X at least."

You're funny.
Do you mean to be?

Chrisisall, feedin' the Trolls

UNREGISTEREDCOMPANION

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 4:48 PM

The main reason the new BSG is better than the old BSG...no Muffy the Daggit and no Boxy!

P.S. This thread is example 2 of why we need an IGNORE MEMBER option.

~~~~~
"Funny and sexy. You have no idea. And you never will."

GIXXER

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 4:51 PM

Truly, Spacehoppah, it is written that an inner calm awaits the seeker of de-caffeinated drinks....

Ommmmmmmmmmmmmm.

GELASSENHEIT

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 4:52 PM

BSG is one KICK-ASS SHOW.

Too bad sci fi channel couldn't show it together with a new season of Firefly. That would be HEAVEN.

The new BSG is better than the old BSG for one reason in particular to satisfy my feminist roots: Women play much bigger and more in depth roles, and there are more of them.

The 70s show maybe had THREE (count the fingers on one hand) memorable female characters that did not get killed off: Cassiopea, the reformed hooker with a heart of gold, a character named Athena who I am not quite sure what she did, and Sheba, the ONE token female viper pilot. And that was it.

Not much for a growing scifi fan girl to emulate.

Gelassenheit means Serenity

RIVER6213

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 5:04 PM

Oh, Boxy is on the show. He was there in a couple of scenes in the miniseries, and also in one scene during Season 1. He's a depressed, bitter, and surly kid who lost both his parents in the Cylon attack on Caprica.

River

Xerogravity's a big wimp!

SICKDUDE

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 6:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Battlestar Galactica is all about the Vipers.

Cisall, if it's a tussle you're looking for.... This thread seems to be the best place for one. Here, let me just clear out a little space, and let the pugilism begin!

I would've agreed with you on the original. But one of the numerous strongpoints to the new show is that I am developing quite the admiration for 'the bucket'. Never liked the original, but this new one is something. IMHO, the vipers can't hold a candle to the Battlestar itself. (Then again, candles wouldn't last long in space...

)

And I love the way they call them the bucket and the beast!!

So, Cisall, if you got some viper adorin' to do, bring it!

"It's a cow."

TERRIFRIED

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 9:06 PM

hey guys, i finally got the BSG mini-series(me being the one who originally asked whether i should check out the series or not). checked it out, and i liked it a lot. i definitely agree that BSG and firefly can't really be compared because other than the fact that they're space operas, they're two COMPLETLEY different shows.

anyway i've been reading through the arguments between the old series die-hard fans and the new ones; i like the new one just fine and don't plan to check out the original series unless something really sparks my interest to. i don't think of it as a remake, it's a new series with the same original idea of humans vs. cylons and name. like one person said, it's the same difference between batman begins and adam west's batman.

so..next question! farscape? what do you think.

"I don't think of myself as a lion..."

CYBERSNARK

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 9:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Oh, Boxy is on the show. He was there in a couple of scenes in the miniseries, and also in one scene during Season 1. He's a depressed, bitter, and surly kid who lost both his parents in the Cylon attack on Caprica.

He also does "What are you, stupid?" looks almost as good as River.

Naturally, they create a Boxy who's actually entertaining, then they leave him out of the show.

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CHRISISALL

Wednesday, March 8, 2006 3:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sickdude:

So, Cisall, if you got some viper adorin' to do, bring it!

Sickdude, you're no better than Xerogravity in your lack of Viper-appreciation.(Except that you're better mannered, and make more sense in your arguments, and don't act like a troll, and spell words better, and...)

Glory be to the Viper, and to the Holy Turbo-launch. Now and forever, it makes heaven out of space.
Lo, you infantile boobs that appreciate not it's power and design. You will be blasted from the stars like so many impotent Firefly-class garbage scows.
As it is written, so shall it be vaporized.

Bring it, you clumbsy Battlestar worshipers

Chrisisall

KNIBBLET

Wednesday, March 8, 2006 1:16 PM

I did enjoy the whole 'the bucket and the beast' scene.

Of course, I'd call Pegasus, "the place where security does not exist and flag officers die under mysterious circumstances".

http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/MN-Firefly/ Big Damn Shindigity Good Time
http://www.fireflytalk.com - Big Damn Podcast

CYBERSNARK

Wednesday, March 8, 2006 4:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Glory be to the Viper, and to the Holy Turbo-launch. Now and forever, it makes heaven out of space.
Lo, you infantile boobs that appreciate not it's power and design. You will be blasted from the stars like so many impotent Firefly-class garbage scows.
As it is written, so shall it be vaporized.

Can I get a "So say we all?"

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

SINGATE

Wednesday, March 8, 2006 5:16 PM

Chrisisall,

I usually agree with you but here I must take exception:

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
...impotent Firefly-class garbage scows.

Bring it, you clumbsy Battlestar worshipers Chrisisal

In my best Stewie Griffin voice: "Garbage scow?! How dare you! I should find something to strike you with!"

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We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.

SICKDUDE

Wednesday, March 8, 2006 5:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Sickdude, you're no better than Xerogravity in your lack of Viper-appreciation.(Except that you're better mannered, and make more sense in your arguments, and don't act like a troll, and spell words better, and...)

Oh, I may not look like one, but I still smell like a troll, believe you me...

It kind of comes down to the classic "Which came first: the viper or the battlestar" riddle. Without the battlestar, the vipers would have no base of operations. But without the vipers, the battlestar would have no range of operations. Hmmmm, tough one....

On closer examination, we see that I am in fact right. No doubt at all. Yep!

Quote:
You will be blasted from the stars like so many impotent Firefly-class garbage scows.

Cisall, I think you're on to something here! Maybe the Firefly class are for garbage haulin'. That explains the duel main doors on the "cargo" deck, with the outer pair having those big hydraulic rams. It explains the cargo being on the bottom of the ship, just perfect for skimming junk off of a landfill. The catwalks over the "cargo" deck, because you wouldn't want to walk through that stuff. Come to think of it, I've always been interested in garbage trucks since I was a little tike! It all makes sense now.

"It's a cow."

SICKDUDE

Wednesday, March 8, 2006 6:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Knibblet:
"the place where security does not exist and flag officers die under mysterious circumstances".

(a la Homer) Yeah, funny flag officers....

"It's a cow."

ALGUS

Wednesday, March 8, 2006 6:05 PM

I see the workings of an excellent episode here

Kaylee: Don't you think you should rephrase that?
Cisall: You're right, I should, I didn't mean to say Serenity should be hauling garbage, I meant to say it should be hauled away as garbage!
Cisall: *evil laugh*

*cue barfight scene as Kaylee punches Cisall out*

Brilliant, we could throw in these furry little balls of...fur, and something about aliens trying to take over some planet named after Sherman by poisoning wheat!

Man, how do I come up with this stuff?

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Where's the KABOOM?! There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom! *sigh* Delays...delays...

TIVO25

Wednesday, March 8, 2006 6:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Algus:
I see the workings of an excellent episode here

Kaylee: Don't you think you should rephrase that?
Cisall: You're right, I should, I didn't mean to say Serenity should be hauling garbage, I meant to say it should be hauled away as garbage!
Cisall: *evil laugh*

*cue barfight scene as Kaylee punches Cisall out*

Brilliant, we could throw in these furry little balls of...fur, and something about aliens trying to take over some planet named after Sherman by poisoning wheat!

Man, how do I come up with this stuff?

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Where's the KABOOM?! There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom! *sigh* Delays...delays...

ROTFL!

HAZE

Wednesday, March 8, 2006 6:50 PM

I quite like the New Battlestar Galactica.

It came as a massive shock the first time I heard Irish music playing on the show. You wouldn’t think they would mesh. But some how it works.

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Who do you suppose is in there?

JONESTEIN

Wednesday, March 8, 2006 8:38 PM

I try to avoid comparing Firefly to other SciFi...it's so unique.

But the new BSG rocks! It's the best show on the tube right now. And don't EVEN try to compare it to the old campy, 70's BSG. The new one has frakkin redefined and reimagined what BSG should be.

-Jonestein

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OPERATIVE: ...and I'm unarmed.
MAL: Good.
(BLAM!)

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, March 9, 2006 3:21 AM

Mal (to Kaylee):
You mean to say, you punched Cisall because he called Serenity a garbage scow, and not because he called me a bobbly-head doll wrangler?

Kaylee:
I mean to say.

Mal(out take-like):
TRAP!!!!

Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Thursday, March 9, 2006 3:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Can I get a "So say we all?"

Ahh, finally. One who is at one with the Viper!
*Bows*

Apollo Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Thursday, March 9, 2006 1:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sickdude:

Maybe the Firefly class are for garbage haulin'. That explains the duel main doors on the "cargo" deck, with the outer pair having those big hydraulic rams. It explains the cargo being on the bottom of the ship, just perfect for skimming junk off of a landfill. The catwalks over the "cargo" deck, because you wouldn't want to walk through that stuff.

I think we're close to getting kicked off this site here...

Chrisisall

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