Everything is not what it seems, I've discovered a horrible truth

POSTED BY: agirlyman
UPDATED: Sunday, March 5, 2006 23:38
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AGIRLYMAN

Monday, February 27, 2006 10:40 PM (P)

"Soylent green is people!"

No, that's not it, but having never seen that movie, that line is still funny to me.

I hope you are ready for what I have to tell you, cause quite simply it will blow your mind, the truth that is, and it has been right in front of our collective noses, here goes.

The Serenity theme, at first I thought it was corny, as hell, but the more I listened to it, the more I liked it, now that i've learned the lyrics, it's just too damn difficult to sing, I get choked up. That's when the truth of it all came to me like a needle into my brain...

"Joss" is Blue Sun, and we are "River"

END OF TRANSMITION

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

MATTCOZ

Monday, February 27, 2006 11:11 PM (P)

I don't get it.

DERANGEDMILK

Monday, February 27, 2006 11:13 PM (P)

Yea. I second that.

How?
-e

"Storms getting worse."
"We'll pass through it soon enough."

AGIRLYMAN

Monday, February 27, 2006 11:16 PM (P)

Jeez, I'm not all that bright, and I get it, alas some body will be alone soon to explain it to you, I hope.

"You're not my kinda stupid"

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

QUIXOTIC

Monday, February 27, 2006 11:17 PM (P)

A.) Is that the Ballad of Serenity, you mean?

B.) How can you not like it?

C.) I don't get it.

Yeah, and if wishes were horses we'd all be eating steak.

AGIRLYMAN

Monday, February 27, 2006 11:20 PM (P)

I can only show you the way, the truth is for you to figure out on your own.

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

DERANGEDMILK

Monday, February 27, 2006 11:24 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:
Jeez, I'm not all that bright, and I get it, alas some body will be alone soon to explain it to you, I hope.

"You're not my kinda stupid"

Thanks for insulting my intelligence. At least I can spell.

It isn't a matter of not getting it. Its a matter of you not being clear. No one on this thread knows what the hell you're getting at.

So, please, I implore you, stoop to the level of the common man and enlighten us as to your incredible revelation.
-e

"Storms getting worse."
"We'll pass through it soon enough."

ZEEK

Monday, February 27, 2006 11:25 PM (P)

I don't get it.

If we're anybody in the ballad of Serenity we are all the one singing. That would include Joss too. They keep taking browncoats out to the black and saying we're not coming back.

UROTSUKIDOJI

Monday, February 27, 2006 11:25 PM (P)

i think i understand, i'll try to clear it up for you all. He's saying you're a shitty drummer BECAUSE you only have one arm.

SIGMANUNKI

Monday, February 27, 2006 11:26 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:

"Joss" is Blue Sun, and we are "River"

Hm, not sure I agree with that. Perhaps, Joss is River and tried to explain something to us and in the process we are now tending toward River. This might then given the illusion that Joss is Blue Sun, but he's not. That would be F*X, as look what they did to him.

----
"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

ASARIAN

Monday, February 27, 2006 11:38 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:

I hope you are ready for what I have to tell you, cause quite simply it will blow your mind,

No, the Fruity Oaty Bar blows my mind; your revelation I simply don't get. :)

Maybe you need to move the point to a non-subliminal level.

--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

AGIRLYMAN

Monday, February 27, 2006 11:40 PM (P)

Think to where you were before you experienced "Firefly", and where you are now, after the fact.

Serenity is to us, what the Oaty bar was to River,

Dong ma?

"It's right there...I'm pointing right at it"

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

RHYIANAN

Monday, February 27, 2006 11:42 PM (P)

I'm thinking this guy is just full of go se and laughing at all the people he can get to wonder about his "revelation"

...but that's just me

No, Can't. Too much hair.

DAVEC5

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:04 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:
Think to where you were before you experienced "Firefly", and where you are now, after the fact.

i was in kitchen...then i went outside??

DAVEC5

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:08 AM (P)

ok AGirlyman.....it's plain to see that you've had a revelation of some sort and it must be something shiny, but really, i'm not River, and i just can't seem to get my mind around this thing.... but i will think on it.....k

DAVEC5

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:11 AM (P)

and i've seen Soylent Green - believe you've quoted the best line from that dog

SAVEWASH

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:25 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:
Think to where you were before you experienced "Firefly", and where you are now, after the fact.

Serenity is to us, what the Oaty bar was to River,

Dong ma?

"It's right there...I'm pointing right at it"

Count me as one who doesn't get it. The oaty bar didn't mean anything to River; it was the subliminal message in the commercial that affected her. So there's a subliminal message in the BDM that made us all go crazy and try to kill a roomful of people?

Before I experienced "Firefly," I was younger; now I'm older. This is a revelation?

"We need to keep our heads so we can ... keep our heads."

WTE

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:29 AM (P)

Quote:
i think i understand, i'll try to clear it up for you all. He's saying you're a shitty drummer BECAUSE you only have one arm.

Best post in this topic.

HONKS

SIGMANUNKI

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:31 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Rhyianan:
I'm thinking this guy is just full of go se and laughing at all the people he can get to wonder about his "revelation"

...but that's just me

No, Can't. Too much hair.

Now this is a revilation that I agree with.

----
"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

THEPISTONENGINE

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:33 AM (P)

Ok. I think I understand the revelation, the all coming from the premise that Blue Sun were the people who screwed River up.

Joss is Blue Sun, we are River.

Blue Sun opened River's eyes to the truth of the world. Too much, however, and she can't enjoy the little things, can't live like a person.

Joss opened our eyes to good science fiction. Too much, and we can't enjoy the crap that plays as TV series.

Does this make the Fox execs Simon, rescueing us from the clutches of too much Firefly?

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:
"Soylent green is people!"

No, that's not it, but having never seen that movie, that line is still funny to me.

I hope you are ready for what I have to tell you, cause quite simply it will blow your mind, the truth that is, and it has been right in front of our collective noses, here goes.

The Serenity theme, at first I thought it was corny, as hell, but the more I listened to it, the more I liked it, now that i've learned the lyrics, it's just too damn difficult to sing, I get choked up. That's when the truth of it all came to me like a needle into my brain...

"Joss" is Blue Sun, and we are "River"

END OF TRANSMITION

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

RESE

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:53 AM (P)

I get it! But, ouch!

By the way, you might want to view the actual movie, "Soylent Green". It just happens to be one of my all time, old timey, back in the olden days movies. Then you won't be laughing when you say "Soylent Green is People!", 'cuz you'll know. (I actually saw this movie at the theatre when it was first released, and yes, it's rather corny -- but it wasn't then!) Try it, you'll like it!

~old enough to be in Jayne's bunk!~

AGIRLYMAN

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 1:23 AM (P)

"Firefly" is the vehicle Joss Whedon uses to control our minds, emotions, and actions, not to say that is a bad thing, which alot of you are assuming.

River was't the same person after "Blue Sun", was she?

I am not the same person I was before "Firefly", are you?

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

THEPISTONENGINE

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 1:49 AM (P)

That was nowhere near as cool as my interpretation.

I definately had a whole thing going with Fox as our Saviors, rescueing us from the plight of too much entertaining television. It's plainly evil for Joss to kill our ignorance, to unviel our eyes to the ugly truth of television: most shows are terrible. It took a really good one for us to figure out.

Joss somehow reveals truths we wouldn't otherwise see. Burn him at the stake.

Tristen

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:
"Firefly" is the vehicle Joss Whedon uses to control our minds, emotions, and actions, not to say that is a bad thing, which alot of you are assuming.

River was't the same person after "Blue Sun", was she?

I am not the same person I was before "Firefly", are you?

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

MATTCOZ

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:02 AM (P)

It's a stretch, but I guess I can see what you're saying.

AGIRLYMAN

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:19 AM (P)

Their is truth in what you have said Piston, but don't kill the messenger, or lose the fact that the Fox execs responsible for the cancelation of "Firefly" are the true enemy, may they all get fired, work crappy jobs, and get eaten/raped/skined by Reavers.

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

SIGMANUNKI

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:49 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:

"Firefly" is the vehicle Joss Whedon uses to control our minds, emotions, and actions, not to say that is a bad thing, which alot of you are assuming.

Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. How are they justified?

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:

I am not the same person I was before "Firefly", are you?

I'm not the same person I was 1 minute ago. So, what's your point?

I really think that you are trying to find a deep philosophy where none exists. This is a TV show, not Nietzsche.

----
"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

AGIRLYMAN

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:51 AM (P)

yeah, I'm sure you can compare that last minute to the "Firefly" experience.

BRILLIANT!

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

JAYNESBUNKWOMAN

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:51 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:
... or lose the fact that the Fox execs responsible for the cancelation of "Firefly" are the true enemy, may they all get fired, work crappy jobs, and get eaten/raped/skined by Reavers.

but not in that order

I'll be in Jayne's bunk

AGIRLYMAN

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:54 AM (P)

any order works for me actually.

That would make me really "Kaylee"

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

CAUSAL

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:54 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:
"Soylent green is people!"

No, that's not it, but having never seen that movie, that line is still funny to me.

I hope you are ready for what I have to tell you, cause quite simply it will blow your mind, the truth that is, and it has been right in front of our collective noses, here goes.

The Serenity theme, at first I thought it was corny, as hell, but the more I listened to it, the more I liked it, now that i've learned the lyrics, it's just too damn difficult to sing, I get choked up. That's when the truth of it all came to me like a needle into my brain...

"Joss" is Blue Sun, and we are "River"

END OF TRANSMITION

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

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NOSADSEVEN

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:50 AM (P)

Joss stripped your amygdala (you know, the part that helps you control your emotions) with the scalpel of Firefly. Now you can't not feel.

An unfortunate side effect is that nobody understands what you are saying. To them you are broken, and many of your posts look like gibberish littered across the boards. Hummingbird.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ain't. We. Just.

AGIRLYMAN

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:22 AM (P)

That's it, I'm going to change my name to "Ocean", no power in the verse can "Burp" me.

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

KAELE

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:51 AM (P)

Despite the fact that you seriously need to fill in your posts a bit more than just a few disjointed sentences...

I saw the point, and did so before you posted it.

But Joss in all honesty had no idea if his movie or series would continue on afterwards. Hoped, yes. Knew? No.

I doubt the underlying theme you are implying is really there. It's like saying, "Hey! There are handcuffs on River. That means we were being shackled by the TV execs at Fox when they cancelled our show." Your mind can input any meaning it likes into any object, it's part of being human and creative. The only way you'll know what Joss was thinking when he did that is to ask him directly. Or get ESP. The second suggestion being more likely.

Joss is deep, but I doubt he's THAT deep. Or at least he's deep in something... Get him a shovel.

Love the movie, love to be entertained.

Kaele
AIM - Dewlanna
YID - jedi_kaele

DAVEC5

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:18 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:
"Joss" is Blue Sun, and we are "River"

ok...let's try this....maybe we're "Mudders" and that would make Serenity......!!! "Jayne".......

'40.......? my muscular buttocks'......

DONCOAT

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:08 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kaele:
Your mind can input any meaning it likes into any object, it's part of being human and creative.

Imbue. The word you're looking for is imbue.

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I don't disagree on any particular point.

1978

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:39 PM (P)

Mmm ya Ok!

DANIELFYRE

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:04 PM (P)

I get what you're trying to say and I think everyone else is taking it far too literal. When I read the first post I knew what you meant and got the sly sarcasm behind it...at least I view it as slight sarcasm at any rate I agree with you that Joss can in fact be compared to blue sun and us to river. Consider this people: When you see a leaf on the wind do you not get a bit sad? There are a whole list of those on another thread, but my point is life...and things like leaves remind us of the verse. They are our "fruity oaty bar commercials" that stimulate us to be reminded of something we've experienced because that something was in fact so profound for some of us that it can't be forgotten or ignored. That is what I at least got out of the post. Feel free to rip me a new one now if you wish.

-Dan

Ain't that just shiny?

JONESTEIN

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:20 PM (P)

Nicely put. Too bad the 12 year old kid who started this thread didn't just explain, instead of giving us the Oracle shtick.

Don't get me wrong, I love cleverness and sarcasm as much as the next immature mature person(hell, I'm a Whedon fan), but it's the whole "I've Come Up With a Clever, Yet Vague Analogy and If You Don't Get It You Should Probably Point Your Browser at MatlockFans.Net Instead of Here" attitude that irritates me.

That being said, kudos to the 12 year old for a clever analogy.

Quote:
Originally posted by DanielFyre:
I get what you're trying to say and I think everyone else is taking it far too literal. When I read the first post I knew what you meant and got the sly sarcasm behind it...at least I view it as slight sarcasm at any rate I agree with you that Joss can in fact be compared to blue sun and us to river. Consider this people: When you see a leaf on the wind do you not get a bit sad? There are a whole list of those on another thread, but my point is life...and things like leaves remind us of the verse. They are our "fruity oaty bar commercials" that stimulate us to be reminded of something we've experienced because that something was in fact so profound for some of us that it can't be forgotten or ignored. That is what I at least got out of the post. Feel free to rip me a new one now if you wish.

-Dan

Ain't that just shiny?

AGIRLYMAN

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:04 PM (P)

Sorry I didn't hold your widdle hands, and blow your snotty little noses. I thought it would be more fun to sit back, and let you figure it out on your own.

Kudos to those who got it, and to Don for making my coke go up my nose.

"Imbue" lmao

I didn't care too much for Early the first time viewing that episode, but he's like a car wreck, you just can't look away.

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

DC4BS

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:10 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by davec5:
and i've seen Soylent Green - believe you've quoted the best line from that dog

best retake I've ever seen on this was a signature line in the forum pages of "Second Life"

"Soylent green is noobies!"

------------------------------------------
dc4bs

STORYMARK

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:15 PM (P)

Nah. Doesn't work for me. Or at least, it doesn't apply to me.

My life does not feel particularly different since Firefly -- or rather, what has changed has nothing to do with a TV show.

Firelfly is not the first show I've totally flipped over, or the first one I've visited message boards for, or even the first one cancelled prematurely (though it may hold the speed-record there). I'm sure it won't be the last in any of the categories, either --as I've recently fallen for Battlestar Galactica, though I havn't hit their message board yet, and they're thankfully not cancelled - yet.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

JONESTEIN

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:18 PM (P)

Correction, the *condescending* Oracle shtick.

Snotty superiority complexes aside, it was a great analogy.

:^)

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:
Sorry I didn't hold your widdle hands, and blow your snotty little noses. I thought it would be more fun to sit back, and let you figure it out on your own.

ALMIGHTYWOOKIE

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:39 PM (P)

Hmmm, coz I thought Firefly, according to Joss was: "How a big evil government affects the little guy"
And the revelation is a bit ambiguos considering Joss said he never writes 'hidden messages' in any of his work.

AGIRLYMAN

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:44 PM (P)

I guess I was alot like that captain was suppose to be, bitter, uncaring, and angry. All work and no play was making "Agm" a very dull, but pissed off boy.

"Firefly, has slapped me in the face, run me through a gambit of emotions"

That is not a little thing

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

CITIZEN

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 12:18 AM (P)

What if it changed you for the better rather than the worse?

Is Joss really then Blue Sun or the Alliance?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
You should never give powers to a leader you like that you’d hate to have given to a leader you fear

AGIRLYMAN

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 12:55 AM (P)

All of us were like River, before firefly. Going through life, minding our own beeswax, then somebody comes along, invades our brains, and changes us forever. Same technique different results, hence we are "Browncoats", and River is a "Weapon". Get it? Got it? Good. If not I would be happy to explain the "chain of command" to ya.

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

CITIZEN

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 1:07 AM (P)

Yes I understand you're analogy, it is not complex. I'm questioning it.

Please, explain the Chain of Command to me.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
You should never give powers to a leader you like that you’d hate to have given to a leader you fear

DONCOAT

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 1:33 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:
"Firefly, has slapped me in the face, run me through a gambit of emotions"

Gamut. The word you're looking for is gamut.

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I don't disagree on any particular point.

AGIRLYMAN

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 2:36 AM (P)

The Chain of command

"It's the chain I go get, and beat you with until you understand who's in ruttin command here"

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

THEPISTONENGINE

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 2:56 AM (P)

Very nicely put, but I don't think it in anyway explains what girlyman meant in his post or what's going on in his head, if anything (/me ducks and hides). I agree with JoneStein.

AGirlyMan: This is not meant to be condescending, but I make no apologies if you feel it is.
The English language is meant to communicate with people. Sure, we all have fun making clever points and watching people's faces contort in confusion (actually, the reaction I usually get is "you're a fucking retard," but I'm special). But let's be serious here. Starting a post with four different seemingly disconnected ideas will confuse anyone and everyone. It's not clever. Your follow-up posts are even worse. It's like you're a little imp dancing with glee that people can't see your hidden genius, and then you refuse to explain yourself.
You end up explaining your superficial analogy, which I expanded up and you denied. That was meant to show you if you carried your own thought through all the way, you'd realize how superficial you were being. (If you feel that was hypocritical, at least marvel how I managed to string my ideas together in a single coherent thought process).

My point is not to embarrass you, if I could send you a private message I would have. My point is to make you think of what your trying to say before you say it. Communicate clearly, it's what the language is used for.

Quote:
Originally posted by DanielFyre:
I get what you're trying to say and I think everyone else is taking it far too literal. When I read the first post I knew what you meant and got the sly sarcasm behind it...at least I view it as slight sarcasm at any rate I agree with you that Joss can in fact be compared to blue sun and us to river. Consider this people: When you see a leaf on the wind do you not get a bit sad? There are a whole list of those on another thread, but my point is life...and things like leaves remind us of the verse. They are our "fruity oaty bar commercials" that stimulate us to be reminded of something we've experienced because that something was in fact so profound for some of us that it can't be forgotten or ignored. That is what I at least got out of the post. Feel free to rip me a new one now if you wish.

-Dan

Ain't that just shiny?

AGIRLYMAN

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 4:34 AM (P)

No offense taken Piston, and in no way am I emplying that you are a anal retentive dork, if you ever thought that...well, I don't think I could bare it.

My name is "agirlyman", what makes you think there is anything you can say, or do to "embarrass" me?
I just put an idea or thought out there, to see, if anybody got it the way i did, or had something interesting to say.

It's very entertaining to watch you "Robotmonkeys" spring into action, and make a whole post attacking my sentence structure, and grammer, it tickles me to no end to see you jump.

Again, if a gave a rut, I wouldn't be "agirlyman".

Sincerely though I don't wish you to be taken by Reaver's. Raped, skinned, and eaten...

"Honestly? there could be tears"

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

NOSADSEVEN

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 5:52 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:
I just put an idea or thought out there, to see, if anybody got it the way i did, or had something interesting to say.

A better place for that would be your fff.net blog.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ain't. We. Just.

AGIRLYMAN

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 9:49 PM (P)

A better place? You sound like alliance, keep your hands in plain view. It goes where it goes, which is where ever I put it.

Dong ma?

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

NOSADSEVEN

Thursday, March 2, 2006 2:00 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:
A better place? You sound like alliance, keep your hands in plain view. It goes where it goes, which is where ever I put it.

Dong ma?

Ha, yeah...all of them, better places.

I'm not sayin'...I'm just sayin'.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ain't. We. Just.

MIRAMEL

Thursday, March 2, 2006 2:39 AM (P)

Quote:
A better place? You sound like alliance, keep your hands in plain view. It goes where it goes, which is where ever I put it.

Dong ma?

'cept... not... cause of course admins and what not could move it if they wanted... not suggesting that they will, mind, it ain't horribly misplaced, just pointing out that there are different areas for different things for a reason, so no, you really dont get to run around putting things everywhere; or rather you do, but your not the final authority on if they stay there

as for your analogy, it makes a certain amount of sense, sure. but its just that, an anology. i highly doubt that thats what whedon thinks of the whole thing, and as for your apparent opinion that what you came up w/ is correct and other interprataions of it are flawed, and thats that, well i gotta say, some of the most ignorant people in this world are the ones very much convinced of their own brilliance.

also, i agree w/ whoever mentioned this earlier (don't remember, sry) that maybe thats true, but it aint really a BAD thing, if it is. yeah, ok, now we've expereinced firefly, maybe we won't be the same. now we've had serenity, maybe we've been triggered again. ... so? i really dont see as thats a bad thing; we exist (as fans) because we want to, we're free to take firefly and interprit it as we will, and let it influence us as we will. i doubt theres a one of us who wishes firefly had never been, simply because we cant have more

as for you specificly, the way you wrote this and all, and your comments since- well, i aint gonna take any significant time out of my day pointing out teh obvious or trying to insult you when you obviously won't care, but this again goes back to the aforementioned arrogance; your not especially clever, and acting as though you are and we're all just too dumb to figure it out really just gives us all a laugh at your expense.

ASARIAN

Thursday, March 2, 2006 3:02 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:

Sorry I didn't hold your widdle hands, and blow your snotty little noses. I thought it would be more fun to sit back, and let you figure it out on your own.

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

I'm trying to put this as delicately as I can, but you're not being very nice, here. Not that you have to be, pe se; but if you put up a short, cryptic one-liner, and want folks to muse on it a bit, then insulting them at every turn usually isn't the best way to go about it.

And to answer your question: no, you're not all that merciful. You might wanna look to that.

--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

RUXTON

Thursday, March 2, 2006 6:18 AM (P)

agirlyman,, I cannot believe that so few got your brilliant and insightful analogy, which I saw immediately. Indeed, all our brains have been messed with by the master controller.

Well stated, and thank you.

Edit: When I first posted this, I hadn't finished the entire thread. It's too bad, but it looks like you got needlessly attacked by some ignoramuses who didn't get your post, and didn't bother to read about the time you spent getting "brain-damaged" by the work of Mr. Whedon, and just wanted to make some noise to cover their inability to see beyond the words you wrote. There are some highly intelligent posters about. I suspect you just had bad luck with this lot, who seem to not be able to see the light in your original and insightful post.

JONESTEIN

Thursday, March 2, 2006 3:13 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Ruxton:
agirlyman,, I cannot believe that so few got your brilliant and insightful analogy, which I saw immediately. Indeed, all our brains have been messed with by the master controller.

Well stated, and thank you.

Edit: When I first posted this, I hadn't finished the entire thread. It's too bad, but it looks like you got needlessly attacked by some ignoramuses who didn't get your post, and didn't bother to read about the time you spent getting "brain-damaged" by the work of Mr. Whedon, and just wanted to make some noise to cover their inability to see beyond the words you wrote. There are some highly intelligent posters about. I suspect you just had bad luck with this lot, who seem to not be able to see the light in your original and insightful post.

Ah, another voice from the Persephone Junior High RPG Club. Your vast intelligence and finely tuned social skills are truly the envy of the 'verse.
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OPERATIVE: ...and I am unarmed.
MAL: Good.
(BLAM!)

OKCBROWNCOAT

Thursday, March 2, 2006 4:17 PM (P)

Why hasn't this idiot been put in troll country where he belongs?

There's a *lot* of problems with this so-called "theory". First, the alliance actually cut into River's brain and modified it. She was trained to become a weapon, and they used the fruity oaty bar subliminal message as a "trigger", making it easier to find her.

We all *chose* to watch Firefly, and we all *continue* to watch it of our own free will. I'm sure lots of people saw Firefly when it was on Fox and went "ehh" (click). Joss wouldn't try to change us, even if he thought it was for the better. I don't think he holds to that, to coin a phrase.

It would seem the alliance had some very specific ideas as to what they wanted River to do. It would seem that with the academy program she was a part of, they were trying to groom the next crop of "operatives" - sleeper cell agents that can be used for espionage or for surgical military strikes with equal effectiveness. We saw River take out a room full of Reavers single-handed. How many kids were in the academy? Imagine what 10, 15, 100 people like River would be able to accomplish.

What possible purpose would Joss have for "programming" us? To *make* people watch his show? He's already been quite successful with his other projects. I think the reason so many people love this show is because of the love that went into making it. From the writers, the producers, the actors, the set people, the guy that did the music... love kept Serenity flying, and when/if it flies again, it'll be love that brings it back.

hope this settles all the BS.

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"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."

ZOID

Thursday, March 2, 2006 4:50 PM (P)

agirlyman wrote:

Quote:
*snip!*

..."Joss" is Blue Sun, and we are "River"...

(AND THEN SOMETHING ABOUT BEING MERCIFUL IN ALL CAPS AND WITH LOTS OF EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!! AND QUESTION MARKS????? ALL MIXED TOGETHER?!?!?!?)

Everything I say is a lie.

Paradoxically,

zoid

P.S.
Except to humans, who can leap over paradoxes without it causing their i286/SX brains to fry, igniting the smoke squibs concealed in their collars.
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad." -Leonard Nimoy, characteristically speaking

JONESTEIN

Thursday, March 2, 2006 5:58 PM (P)

Here's the way I see the goings-on of this thread:

1) G-Man posts an interesting, but vague ANALOGY.

2) Some of us didn't get it.

3) G-Man's response is perceived by some, including me, to be condescending and insulting.

4) Indignant responses to said perceived insult/condescension ensued, followed by escalating volleys of condescension, spelling & grammer checks, and insults from both sides.

5) Along the way, some decided to take G-Man's analogy literally, i.e. "Joss REALLY IS trying to control our minds!", instead of: "Ha ha! Joss must be trying to control our minds ha-ha!"

6) Then more BDIs from the More-Intelligent-Than-Thou crowd decided to chime in and fan the flames of condescension.

7) Thankfully, along the way, some haven't taken any of it seriously, and delivered gems like the "imbue" response...still makes me chuckle.

Once I finally got it, I found the analogy clever and interesting(with some holes), but didn't take it literally.

My biggest problem with this thread is the attitude of those mentioned in #6 above. Folks with this mentality give sci-fi fans a bad name, period.

I rest my case.

OPERATIVE: ...and I am unarmed.
MAL: Good.
(BLAM!)

OKCBROWNCOAT

Thursday, March 2, 2006 6:11 PM (P)

Admittedly, those quotes do look rather condescending (when taken out of context). Some futher explanation. As to the theory itself, I could have taken it or left it... it was the smirking, impish "neener-neener you're lame because you don't get it" attitude that got to me more than anything else.

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"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."

ZOID

Thursday, March 2, 2006 6:20 PM (P)

Jonestein enumerated some fine points, including:

Quote:
4) Indignant responses to said perceived insult/condescension ensued, followed by escalating volleys of condescension, spelling & grammer (sic ) checks, and insults from both sides.

and...

6) Then more BDIs from the More-Intelligent-Than-Thou crowd decided to chime in and fan the flames of condescension.

I was originally going to say, "agirlyman is not a girly-man." But since everything I say is a lie, I felt this statement might be misconstrued...

Antinomically,

zoid
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"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

JONESTEIN

Thursday, March 2, 2006 6:23 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by okcbrowncoat:
Admittedly, those quotes do look rather condescending (when taken out of context). Some futher explanation. As to the theory itself, I could have taken it or left it... it was the smirking, impish "neener-neener you're lame because you don't get it" attitude that got to me more than anything else.

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"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."

Actually, my condescension comments were aimed at the attitude you so poignantly described above, not your post. I just forgot to remove your comments from my post before I submitted it...sorry, didn't meant to quote you out of context.

Guess I'm just not an intelligent poster.

OPERATIVE: ...and I am unarmed.
MAL: Good.
(BLAM!)

JONESTEIN

Thursday, March 2, 2006 7:16 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:
Jonestein enumerated some fine points, including:
Quote:
4) Indignant responses to said perceived insult/condescension ensued, followed by escalating volleys of condescension, spelling & grammer (sic ) checks, and insults

Sheesh...I'm glad SOMEONE with intelligence got that one.

Neener-neener.

(there IS no typo...)

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OPERATIVE: ...and I am unarmed.
MAL: Good.
(BLAM!)
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FIGHT TO RE-LIGHT!!
www.fortworthbrowncoats.com
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ASARIAN

Thursday, March 2, 2006 7:19 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:

It's very entertaining to watch you "Robotmonkeys" spring into action, and make a whole post attacking my sentence structure, and grammer,

Not to mention your spelling of "grammar". :)

But all kidding aside, I think a lot of us "got" it alright, but probably dismissed it right out of hand, thus "losing" it again, because it was simply too, well, broken. Joss made a great show that affected us all. So, being affected makes us River? Or because it was a life-altering experience? So is a Reaver raping me to death, eating my flesh and sowing my skin into his own. But that hardly makes me River, now does it?

So, I repeat: I don't get it.

--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

RUXTON

Thursday, March 2, 2006 7:51 PM (P)

asarian:
"...sowing my skin...."

You've got a lot of gall correcting anyone's spelling.
==================================
ALL
There is something called a "fog factor." William F. Buckley's writing has it bad. Those who don't get the intent of his writing generally don't jump in with both feet and openly declare their inability to grasp his intent. Instead, they ignore him. This is what could have happened here, but NO. Many apparently decided they were superior, or better posters, or better writers, or better reasoners, to agirlyman, couldn't see the intent and had to make some noise.

Shame on you.

ASARIAN

Thursday, March 2, 2006 8:09 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Ruxton:

asarian:
"...sowing my skin...."

You've got a lot of gall correcting anyone's spelling.

You got one; good on you!

As for the rest of your post, you got it all backwards: it was agirlyman who decided he was superior, or a better poster, or better writer, or better reasoner, to everyone else. That's what got him into trouble in the first place: you reap what you sew.

--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

JONESTEIN

Thursday, March 2, 2006 8:09 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Ruxton:
asarian:
"...sowing my skin...."

You've got a lot of gall correcting anyone's spelling.
==================================
ALL
There is something called a "fog factor." William F. Buckley's writing has it bad. Those who don't get the intent of his writing generally don't jump in with both feet and openly declare their inability to grasp his intent. Instead, they ignore him. This is what could have happened here, but NO. Many apparently decided they were superior, or better posters, or better writers, or better reasoners, to agirlyman, couldn't see the intent and had to make some noise.

Shame on you.

Ahem. Check the sequence of posts again. Better yet, check the title of this forum: General DISCUSSION. The only "noise" I heard before the inital condescending insult was the response: "I don't get it."

Ignore him? Again, D-I-S-C-U-S-S-I-O-N Group.
(Ok, THAT was condescending...sorry)

So shame on YOU.

:^)

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OPERATIVE: ...and I am unarmed.
MAL: Good.
(BLAM!)
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FIGHT TO RE-LIGHT!!
www.fortworthbrowncoats.com
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RUXTON

Thursday, March 2, 2006 8:35 PM (P)

"Ahem. Check the sequence of posts again."

I suggest you do so yourself, Jonestein. The second and third posts in this thread were by folks who didn't understand. If I don't understand something, I don't immediately and publicly declare my ignorance. I wait for clarification, or look stuff up. When these folks said they couldn't understand what was perfectly clear to some of us, they just set themselves up for the response they got. It's not really a hard concept to grasp, after all. If you don't get a subtle joke, would you want someone to ruin it for everyone by explaining it step by step? Hardly.

And why would I want to DISCUSS something I couldn't understand? Re: Bill Buckley, I have in fact corresponded with him, and would readily discuss sailing or shooting with him, but would never ask him anything about, say, Whittaker Chambers, about whom I know nothing.

JONESTEIN

Thursday, March 2, 2006 9:03 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Ruxton:
"Ahem. Check the sequence of posts again."

I suggest you do so yourself, Jonestein. The second and third posts in this thread were by folks who didn't understand. If I don't understand something, I don't immediately and publicly declare my ignorance. I wait for clarification, or look stuff up. When these folks said they couldn't understand what was perfectly clear to some of us, they just set themselves up for the response they got. It's not really a hard concept to grasp, after all. If you don't get a subtle joke, would you want someone to ruin it for everyone by explaining it step by step? Hardly.

And why would I want to DISCUSS something I couldn't understand? Re: Bill Buckley, I have in fact corresponded with him, and would readily discuss sailing or shooting with him, but would never ask him anything about, say, Whittaker Chambers, about whom I know nothing.

Well then I guess we can agree to disagree. I see nothing wrong with "I don't get it." And a couple of "I don't get it" responses immediately followed by a condesending insult is nothing more than the juvenile "needer-needer, I'm smarter than you" attitude mentioned earlier. G-man could have simply waited for more responses instead of opening immediately with an insult.

By the way, this is a Firefly fan discussion forum, not a conservative politics discussion forum, so your Buckley/Whedon-Analogy comparison is ridiculous.

But I'm sure everyone here is impressed that you've corresponded with Bill Buckley, which I suspect was the impetus behind your comparison in the first place.

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OPERATIVE: ...and I am unarmed.
MAL: Good.
(BLAM!)
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FIGHT TO RE-LIGHT!!
www.fortworthbrowncoats.com
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AGIRLYMAN

Thursday, March 2, 2006 9:58 PM (P)

This topic still has steam?

"Huh"

Some of you foos are wrapped a little too tight for my taste, to each his own eh? Methinks there are some "Alliance" among us, pretending to be Browncoats. Too many of you so worried about making this a "Better" topic, alas don't fret I won't hold it against you. It is what it is people, no more, no less.

Joss used Firefly as a trigger to transform us into Browncoats.

Blue sun used the fruity oaty bar subliminal to trigger river into a weapon.

Thanks for playing

P.S. Don't waste your time, you cannot make me angry foos

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

AZTECHROME

Thursday, March 2, 2006 10:16 PM (P)

You're a joker, boy.

You sure you didn't get a worthless film degree like I did. I can write a 10 page paper on how "We are River" and "Joss is Blue Sun People" .... I'll even write you a 20-pager on the thematics of oaty bars in firefly. (I didn't see any oaty bars, but i can still write the paper).

Seriously, if you want to take a look at your tonsils backwards, go rent some Godard, Felinni, and Rosellini.

I know BS when i see it. You're out for kicks.
Your a strange son of a gun, I'll give you that.

MIRAMEL

Thursday, March 2, 2006 10:17 PM (P)

Quote:
Joss used Firefly as a trigger to transform us into Browncoats.

Blue sun used the fruity oaty bar subliminal to trigger river into a weapon.

yeah, thanks, i think we're all quite clear on that now. i agree with jone in that there's nothing wrong with a few i-don't-get-its. its simply a heads up that something may not have been clear (as it wasn't).
g-man, w/ the exception of insults directed at your self, implied and otherwise (more then a few of my own, theres no hypocrition here. thats a word. really.), and hell even including those, no ones overall goal was to "anger" you, or even really call you down that much; just to point out to you a few possible flaws in your, ah, "attitude" if you will. only not as condescending as i made it sound.

Quote:

Some of you foos are wrapped a little too tight for my taste, to each his own eh? Methinks there are some "Alliance" among us, pretending to be Browncoats. Too many of you so worried about making this a "Better" topic, alas don't fret I won't hold it against you. It is what it is people, no more, no less.

ok, so then don't make it more. a few of us try to point out how maybe things could have been handled, or certain things shouldn't have been, and by so doing we're suddenly try to make people better by imposing our will on them? a flawed and double-bladed argument, to say the least.

apart from that i've nothing new to say, i pretty much covered my opinion earlier, and it seems to be reiterated before and since.

AGIRLYMAN

Friday, March 3, 2006 1:00 AM (P)

Ten, or twenty pages Techy? Jeez, I'm geting sleepy with just the thought of reading that. I never was much for Book learnin. A friend argued with me awhile back when i told him that reading is "fundamental", he told me you're wrong, reading is "Fun & mental", after much laughter I concluded that he was right.

Wishing I was one of Kaylee's strawberries!

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!?

Tee Hee

THEPISTONENGINE

Friday, March 3, 2006 2:39 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by asarian:
Quote:
Originally posted by Ruxton:

asarian:
"...sowing my skin...."

You've got a lot of gall correcting anyone's spelling.

You got one; good on you!

As for the rest of your post, you got it all backwards: it was agirlyman who decided he was superior, or a better poster, or better writer, or better reasoner, to everyone else. That's what got him into trouble in the first place: you reap what you sew.

--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

"Reap what you sew"? Am I the only one who got this clever joke?

Clever, Asarian. Quite subtle, too.

Carry the Nuttin'

SAVEWASH

Friday, March 3, 2006 3:19 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Ruxton:
The second and third posts in this thread were by folks who didn't understand. If I don't understand something, I don't immediately and publicly declare my ignorance. I wait for clarification, or look stuff up. When these folks said they couldn't understand what was perfectly clear to some of us, they just set themselves up for the response they got. It's not really a hard concept to grasp, after all. If you don't get a subtle joke, would you want someone to ruin it for everyone by explaining it step by step? Hardly.

And why would I want to DISCUSS something I couldn't understand?

Okay, here I am, proclaiming my ignorance. Sorry, but when I don't understand something, that's exactly when I want to discuss it. How will I learn anything otherwise? If someone else thinks I'm dumb when I ask questions, so be it, but I'll stay dumb if I don't ask those questions.

Just my take on things. No malice intended toward anyone.

"I realize certain words were exchanged. Also, certain bullets." - Mal

AUSSAY

Friday, March 3, 2006 3:47 AM (P)

My analogy:

Firefly is Wash

Fox is the giant spike

"Shake your head boy, your eyes are stuck"

www.fireflyfans.net
http://www.browncoatsriseagain.com/

BANZAIBILL

Friday, March 3, 2006 3:57 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by ThePistonEngine:
Quote:
Originally posted by asarian:
Quote:
Originally posted by Ruxton:

asarian:
"...sowing my skin...."

You've got a lot of gall correcting anyone's spelling.

You got one; good on you!

As for the rest of your post, you got it all backwards: it was agirlyman who decided he was superior, or a better poster, or better writer, or better reasoner, to everyone else. That's what got him into trouble in the first place: you reap what you sew.

--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

"Reap what you sew"? Am I the only one who got this clever joke?

Clever, Asarian. Quite subtle, too.

Carry the Nuttin'

No! I got that one, too. VERY clever. Bonus points for Asarian!

ZOID

Friday, March 3, 2006 7:46 AM (P)

Jonestein wrote, in reply:

Quote:
Sheesh...I'm glad SOMEONE with intelligence got that one.

Neener-neener.

(there IS no typo...)

And I'm glad someone's got a discernable sense of humor. Wit is such a rare quality these days, wouldn't you agree? And speaking of 'witless'...

re: The Androgynous Guy (or is it about gender confusion? I'd ask him, but I'm sure I'd just get some unintelligible raving as a reply.)

Actually, I've got nothing against trolls, per se, I'd just like to get a higher quality of troll around here, just for a change of pace. Scathing commentary is a lot more thought-provoking when it's, I dunno, how about scathing, for starters? Or at least articulate? It takes all the fun out of getting insulted when you have to consult your Moron-to-English dictionary in order to even read it, let alone understand it.

Trying to decipher what some dumbass is trying to say, only to have him turn around and bite people who are -- more or less -- politely asking him to explain himself, and then claiming he is their intellectual superior... It's just bad farce.

And anytime you've got Ruxton on your side, you might wanna think about contradicting yourself, pronto.

So, to reiterate: I just want some proper trolls, instead of these posers. Like my dad always used to say when he caught a little fish: "Run along home and send back your papa".

Wistfully,

zoid

P.S.
Please note: My intent in this thread is not to insult the trolls, but rather to show them how it should be properly done. You see, I believe the children are our future. We should teach them well, and then let them lead the way.
_________________________________________________

"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

DONCOAT

Friday, March 3, 2006 9:37 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:
It takes all the fun out of getting insulted when you have to consult your Moron-to-English dictionary in order to even read it, let alone understand it.

Hey, where can I get one of these? I could use it at work.

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I don't disagree on any particular point.

DONCOAT

Friday, March 3, 2006 9:44 PM (P)

And.... I got nothin'.

ZOID

Friday, March 3, 2006 9:49 PM (P)

DonCoat queried, regarding the Moron-to-English Dictionary:

Quote:
Hey, where can I get one of these? I could use it at work.

Barnes & Noble, $48.95 USD. For non-readers, a 'book-on-tape' version in native Moron-language is also available on 20 cassettes, $1000.00 USD (cash only, no loose change accepted); English version $35.95 USD, five cassettes.

Enjoy.

v/r,
-zed
_________________________________________________

"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

CITIZEN

Sunday, March 5, 2006 12:06 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by agirlyman:
The Chain of command

"It's the chain I go get, and beat you with until you understand who's in ruttin command here"

You couldn't beat me, even if you did have a chain.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
You should never give powers to a leader you like that you’d hate to have given to a leader you fear

DONCOAT

Sunday, March 5, 2006 3:23 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:

DonCoat queried, regarding the Moron-to-English Dictionary:
Quote:
Hey, where can I get one of these? I could use it at work.

Barnes & Noble, $48.95 USD. For non-readers, a 'book-on-tape' version in native Moron-language is also available on 20 cassettes, $1000.00 USD (cash only, no loose change accepted); English version $35.95 USD, five cassettes.

Er... maybe I should have mentioned that my first language is English, not Moron...

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I don't disagree on any particular point.

GRAYALBATROSS

Sunday, March 5, 2006 8:52 PM (P)

You can tell that the recent witty interpretation wasn't AGIRLYMAN's idea, just by looking at the title of this thread. He was being too abstract and got paranoid.

As one 12-year-old (although I'm not cocky and annoying) to another:

Riddle me this: If the Alliance jumped the gun, where did it leave the Operative?

***
When in doubt, consult the hamster.

Also, I can kill you with my brain

GRAYALBATROSS

Sunday, March 5, 2006 8:52 PM (P)

You can tell that the recent witty interpretation wasn't AGIRLYMAN's idea, just by looking at the title of this thread. He was being too abstract and got paranoid.

As one 12-year-old (although I'm not cocky and annoying) to another:

Riddle me this: If the Alliance jumped the gun, where did it leave the Operative?

Dang it double-posted.

***
When in doubt, consult the hamster.

Also, I can kill you with my brain

ZOID

Sunday, March 5, 2006 11:35 PM (P)

DonCoat wrote, in reply:

Quote:
Er... maybe I should have mentioned that my first language is English, not Moron...

I assumed as much. I just didn't want to leave the other side of the coin unpolished.

I actually recommend the $35.95, 5-cassette version. So many of the Moronic gutturals are difficult to spell, when they are spelled correctly in the first place; it's easier to translate from the native Moronic slurred and drooly speech, as spoken aloud...

And of course the Moron-to-English translation only requires 5 tapes (as opposed to 20 in the reverse) because so many Moronic words and phrases mean the same thing in English, id est: "I'm proud to be a Moron."

v/r,
-zed

ZOID

Sunday, March 5, 2006 11:38 PM (P)

GrayAlbatross:

You write very well for a twelve-year-old. In fact, you write very well for a 25-year-old. Good to have you on the board.

v/r,
-zed

P.S.
There's a clickable label at the bottom of your posts titled 'Edit'. It won't remove the double post entirely, but you can at least delete the extraneous words from the duplicate post (also, change any wording or spelling, if you discover an error after posting). Just so's you know...