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PIRATENEWS

Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:51 PM (P)

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Originally posted by Razza:

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Good job proving my case for me. I couldn't have said it better myself. Sorry that your brain cell was overloaded.

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Abrams tank firing DU round: the depleted uranium begins burning when fired, producing a mist of poisonous uranium oxides. If an Abrams tank is fired on it will also create radioactive aerosols because the armour contains DU as well. Depleted uranium (DU) is the heavy metal which remains after the more radioactive, bomb-making uranium (isotope U235) has been extracted. This remaining metal is largely composed of U238, which is less dangerous than U235, but which is still radioactive (carcinogenic) and poisonous. In the case of US-sourced DU, which appears to be reprocessed reactor waste, it may also contain more radioactive elements such as plutonium. DU is a very dense, very heavy metal, and it is this property which has interested the military. Munitions (bombs and shells) made of DU fly further and faster than projectiles made of less dense metals such as lead. They therefore strike the target with more force, and penetrate armour more readily. On impact, the DU projectile liquefies, and the molten stream tunnels through the armour, emerging as a blast of hot metal; fine particles and vapour. This, of course, results in the immediate death of those behind the pierced armour, but the fine particles and vapour remain as a permanent threat to any who later come near.
www.big.com.au/corrdh_0404.html

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.
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PIRATENEWS

Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:54 PM (P)

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Originally posted by reaverman:

Also, DU doesn't "ignite at over 3000 degrees F the instant it leaves the barrel". Have you ever fired a gun? I have. I have fired pistols, rifles, assault rifles, and battle rifles, and the ammunition sure as hell never got that hot then. Heat doesn't come from nowhere. The heat of a bullet comes from the ignition of the powder charge, and you can't tell me that gunpowder gets that hot.

I'm mentally retarded. PLEASE help me.

Anyone who names themself an insane cannibal ODed on SSRIs deserves their fate.

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Abrams tank firing DU round: the depleted uranium begins burning when fired, producing a mist of poisonous uranium oxides. If an Abrams tank is fired on it will also create radioactive aerosols because the armour contains DU as well. Depleted uranium (DU) is the heavy metal which remains after the more radioactive, bomb-making uranium (isotope U235) has been extracted. This remaining metal is largely composed of U238, which is less dangerous than U235, but which is still radioactive (carcinogenic) and poisonous. In the case of US-sourced DU, which appears to be reprocessed reactor waste, it may also contain more radioactive elements such as plutonium. DU is a very dense, very heavy metal, and it is this property which has interested the military. Munitions (bombs and shells) made of DU fly further and faster than projectiles made of less dense metals such as lead. They therefore strike the target with more force, and penetrate armour more readily. On impact, the DU projectile liquefies, and the molten stream tunnels through the armour, emerging as a blast of hot metal; fine particles and vapour. This, of course, results in the immediate death of those behind the pierced armour, but the fine particles and vapour remain as a permanent threat to any who later come near.
www.big.com.au/corrdh_0404.html

DU kinetic energy penetrator ass end on fire

Uranium is one of the heaviest elements found in nature and is emits alpha, beta, and gamma particles. It is 1.7 times denser than lead.12 The half-life of U238 (DU is 99% U238) is 4.5 billion years!13 Uranium byproducts(such as Thorium (Th232)) have even longer half-lives, making uranium an element that gets more radioactive during its own decay process.5 Natural uranium is 99.274% U238, 0.720% U235, and 0.0055% U234.14a Uranium is enriched when its contents of U235 reaches 3.2-3.6% (since U235 is fissible). Weapon-grade uranium is +90% U235.14a What is depleted uranium? We start out with natural uranium and extract enriched uranium for nuclear fuel and weaponry. The leftover from the extraction process is something very similar to natural uranium, known as “depleted uranium”. The only difference is that DU has 0.202% of U235 and 0.0008% of U234.14a How much DU do we currently have? As of June 1998, we have around 57,800 huge steel cylinders of DU or 496,000 metric tons. 14b Storage of DU is very complicated and problematic since corrosion of DU storage cylinders often occurs over relatively short periods of time.15 Depleted uranium is stored as Uranium Flouride (UF6) in giant cylinders. When the projectile cuts through the armor, the DU penetrator and parts of the tank get so hot that it literally vaporizes. Anywhere from 18-70% of the DU usually oxidizes (depending on type of impact).14c For example, direct impact yields 99% oxidization. A Uranium oxide (which consists of insoluble UO2 and soluble UO3) aerosol forms, where 50-96% of the particles are less than 10 microns and hence can be inhaled easily.2 DU is extremely toxic and still contains much of the radiation that natural uranium has. For example, US Army field manuals indicate that those who handle DU contaminated vehicles or DU injured individuals must wear gas masks and protective radiological suits.14f There are at least 15-17 countries that currently possess DU ammunition (e.g. US, Britain, France, Israel, Egypt, Russia, South Korea, Taiwan, etc.)

PIRATENEWS

Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:05 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:

I'm a chemist... and I agree. But I was't even gonna go there because to take the time to refute PN is to give more credance to his posts than they deserve.

How's the toy meth lab chemistry experiment these days? Cooking any LSD or XTC? Or does homebrew beer now count as "chemistry"? Have you ever heard of a Periodic Chart?

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Abrams tank firing DU round: the depleted uranium begins burning when fired, producing a mist of poisonous uranium oxides. If an Abrams tank is fired on it will also create radioactive aerosols because the armour contains DU as well. Depleted uranium (DU) is the heavy metal which remains after the more radioactive, bomb-making uranium (isotope U235) has been extracted. This remaining metal is largely composed of U238, which is less dangerous than U235, but which is still radioactive (carcinogenic) and poisonous. In the case of US-sourced DU, which appears to be reprocessed reactor waste, it may also contain more radioactive elements such as plutonium. DU is a very dense, very heavy metal, and it is this property which has interested the military. Munitions (bombs and shells) made of DU fly further and faster than projectiles made of less dense metals such as lead. They therefore strike the target with more force, and penetrate armour more readily. On impact, the DU projectile liquefies, and the molten stream tunnels through the armour, emerging as a blast of hot metal; fine particles and vapour. This, of course, results in the immediate death of those behind the pierced armour, but the fine particles and vapour remain as a permanent threat to any who later come near.
www.big.com.au/corrdh_0404.html

DU kinetic energy penetrator ass end on fire

Uranium is one of the heaviest elements found in nature and is emits alpha, beta, and gamma particles. It is 1.7 times denser than lead.12 The half-life of U238 (DU is 99% U238) is 4.5 billion years!13 Uranium byproducts(such as Thorium (Th232)) have even longer half-lives, making uranium an element that gets more radioactive during its own decay process.5 Natural uranium is 99.274% U238, 0.720% U235, and 0.0055% U234.14a Uranium is enriched when its contents of U235 reaches 3.2-3.6% (since U235 is fissible). Weapon-grade uranium is +90% U235.14a What is depleted uranium? We start out with natural uranium and extract enriched uranium for nuclear fuel and weaponry. The leftover from the extraction process is something very similar to natural uranium, known as “depleted uranium”. The only difference is that DU has 0.202% of U235 and 0.0008% of U234.14a How much DU do we currently have? As of June 1998, we have around 57,800 huge steel cylinders of DU or 496,000 metric tons. 14b Storage of DU is very complicated and problematic since corrosion of DU storage cylinders often occurs over relatively short periods of time.15 Depleted uranium is stored as Uranium Flouride (UF6) in giant cylinders. When the projectile cuts through the armor, the DU penetrator and parts of the tank get so hot that it literally vaporizes. Anywhere from 18-70% of the DU usually oxidizes (depending on type of impact).14c For example, direct impact yields 99% oxidization. A Uranium oxide (which consists of insoluble UO2 and soluble UO3) aerosol forms, where 50-96% of the particles are less than 10 microns and hence can be inhaled easily.2 DU is extremely toxic and still contains much of the radiation that natural uranium has. For example, US Army field manuals indicate that those who handle DU contaminated vehicles or DU injured individuals must wear gas masks and protective radiological suits.14f There are at least 15-17 countries that currently possess DU ammunition (e.g. US, Britain, France, Israel, Egypt, Russia, South Korea, Taiwan, etc.)14c,13 A harmful reaction by Allied veterans to chemical, biological, and radiological effects from the Gulf War culminated into what is known as Gulf War Syndrome (part of the cause is pote

FLETCH2

Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:13 PM (P)

PN, it's called a Periodic Table.

OLDENGLANDDRY

Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:13 PM (P)

Lather, rinse , repeat

Lather, rinse, repeat.

PIRATENEWS

Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:48 PM (P)

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Originally posted by Fletch2:

PN, it's called a Periodic Table.

www.lenntech.com/periodic-chart.htm

A table is what Luciferian Masonic Mafia homosexual Jew Karl Marx wrote his Communist Manifesto on, the same table that's proudly on display in the London Museum. A table is also what you Brits eat your spotted dick on.

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Depleted uranium is stored as Uranium FLOURIDE (UF6) in giant leaky cylinders.
http://cseserv.engr.scu.edu/StudentWebPages/IPesic/ResearchPaper.htm

Isn't that special. FLOURIDE is radioactive. No wonder Gangsta Govt puts it in the water supply AND INTENTIONALLY RELEASES IT IN THE AIR JUST LIKE PAX IN SERENITY, for mind kontrol in Nazi Germany Death Camps, Commie Russian Death Camps and the New World Order's Death Camp USA.

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INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF THE EAST TENNESSEE TECHNOLOGY PARK

Office of Environment, Safety and Health, U.S. Department of Energy (2000)

Pollution above toxic levels surrounding Oak Ridge Nuclear Laboratory (ETTP)

HTML Report (200 pages - reclassified Top Secret)
http://tis.eh.doe.gov/oversight/reports/gdps/0010ettp/index.html

PDF Report (200 pages - reclassified Top Secret)
http://tis.eh.doe.gov/oversight/reports/gdps/0010ettp/0010ettp.html

Verbatum from the declassified portion of the Report:

"Conservative estimates indicated that 35,000 pounds of uranium were released into the air from all sources. 4,300 pounds of uranium a month was unaccounted for or released to the environment. ETTP operates an incinerator which handles radioactive, hazardous and uranium-contaminated PCB wastes. ETTP generated transuranic elements (isotopes with atomic numbers greater than uranium) such as neptunium-237 and plutonium-239; fission products such as techneitum-99; PCBs; toxic metals; and volatile organic compunds such as trichloroethene (TCE) and present risk to the public. Some contaminants migrated outside the Plant boundary. Waste disposal practices included direct discharge of radioactive materials, toxics and caustics to holding ponds and storm drains, and incineration and burial. Reports reflected a number of spills of nitric and hydrochloric acids, in one case 200 gallons. Numerous large fires and explosions were reported. It is impossible to characterize exposure because of inadequate surveys and incomplete records. Records indicate that as contamination levels increased, exposure controls were reduced. Contamination above limits was commonly detected. Operations have released a variety of contaminants into the environment, such as burial of low-level and hazardous waste in landfills and dumping directly into the Clinch River. Large amounts of contaminated equipment and scrap material were sold at public auction. Tens of thousands of pounds of flourine and hydrogen flouride were emitted annually. The investigation team identified over 600 releases of uranium hexaflouride, and a large, visible cloud was released outside a building. Exposure to 'intense clouds' of uranium powder dusts was prevalent and resulted in intense beta radiation fields. Each month dozens or workers were identified as having exposures exceeding plant control guides. Extensive contamination was prevalent. Recordsindicate many air samples in excess of Plant Allowable Limits. Both chemical and radiological materials have routinely been discharged from the Plant, from both sanitary sewage and storm water systems and materials were directly discharged in Mitchell Branch and Poplar Creek. One million pounds of blowdown water was discharged a day. The hexavalent chromium concentration in Poplar Creek is equal to the level regulated by the site's permit. Contents of 500 uranium hexafloride and other gas cylinders were emptied into the unlined holding pond by shooting the cylinders with high-powered rifles, and this pond discharged into Poplar Creek. Records confirm that radiation exceeded drinking water standards. Over 80,000 drums of pond sludge with low concentrations of uran

FLETCH2

Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:03 PM (P)

You know PN I have to thank you. I'd forgotten all about Spotted Dick having been away from Blighty for so long. All your prattling gave me a real taste for it, so I had some flown in by black helicopter complete with Ambrosia Devon Custard.

Now if only I could get a decent curry...

CITIZEN

Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:37 PM (P)

It's on it's way Fletch, Bombay Black Army Balti Mobile curry detachment. Try the Sheeple (Hutton/Lambman) Dansak and Peshwari Naan.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.

SIGNYM

Friday, April 14, 2006 12:31 AM (P)

Yes, DU is very heavy. And I would imagine that it aerosolizes to some extent on impact. (Most metals do if you heat them). And yes, it is residually radioactive. And no, I probably wouldn't want to be near it. In fact, unranium actually acts as an estrogen mimic- it is one of the few non-organic chemicals that behaves as a potent endocrine disrupter. BTW- as a chemist I have learned to have a healthy respect for chemicals. But DU does not "burn" (oxidize) when it exits a weapon. Juicing up a story like that just undercuts your own arguments.

www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/it

As far as the pix of deformed babies- Mother Nature is a b*tch. About 30% of all fetuses are spontaneously aborted due to fatal defects. Deformed babies are borna ll the time- I can find you some pretty gruesome pictures from medical journals if you would like. The question is whether there is a statistically significant increase in deformities in Iraq, and whether it can be related to DU or to some other factors like lack of folate (causes spina bifida) or other vitamins, or increase in ergotamine or aflatoxin ingestion (teratogenic, due to eating spoiled grains and legumes) due to the embargo. And even if DU were the cause, the actual mechanism might be related to the estrogen-like behavior of uranium and not to radiation specifically. Be a good fellow and do some research on that, OK? Thanks.

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SIGNYM

Friday, April 14, 2006 12:39 AM (P)

Paxil and other SSRIs do not make people docile. It's depression that immobilizes people.

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KHYRON

Friday, April 14, 2006 1:19 AM (P)

The only thing more brainless than Piratenews's posts is people responding to them.

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

CITIZEN

Friday, April 14, 2006 1:33 AM (P)

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Originally posted by Khyron:
The only thing more brainless than Piratenews's posts is people responding to them.

I think it's worth it purely for the entertainment value.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.

PIRATENEWS

Friday, April 14, 2006 2:00 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:

But DU does not "burn" (oxidize) when it exits a weapon. Juicing up a story like that just undercuts your own arguments.

Looks like you blinded yourself with science. Try opening your eyes this time. Or perhaps you're suffering hysterical neuroses resulting in temporary blindness, to complement your illiteracy and brain fart.

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Abrams tank firing DU round: the depleted uranium begins burning when fired, producing a mist of poisonous uranium oxides. If an Abrams tank is fired on it will also create radioactive aerosols because the armour contains DU as well. Depleted uranium (DU) is the heavy metal which remains after the more radioactive, bomb-making uranium (isotope U235) has been extracted. This remaining metal is largely composed of U238, which is less dangerous than U235, but which is still radioactive (carcinogenic) and poisonous. In the case of US-sourced DU, which appears to be reprocessed reactor waste, it may also contain more radioactive elements such as plutonium. DU is a very dense, very heavy metal, and it is this property which has interested the military. Munitions (bombs and shells) made of DU fly further and faster than projectiles made of less dense metals such as lead. They therefore strike the target with more force, and penetrate armour more readily. On impact, the DU projectile liquefies, and the molten stream tunnels through the armour, emerging as a blast of hot metal; fine particles and vapour. This, of course, results in the immediate death of those behind the pierced armour, but the fine particles and vapour remain as a permanent threat to any who later come near.
www.big.com.au/corrdh_0404.html

DU kinetic energy penetrator ass end on fire

Uranium is one of the heaviest elements found in nature and is emits alpha, beta, and gamma particles. It is 1.7 times denser than lead.12 The half-life of U238 (DU is 99% U238) is 4.5 billion years!13 Uranium byproducts(such as Thorium (Th232)) have even longer half-lives, making uranium an element that gets more radioactive during its own decay process.5 Natural uranium is 99.274% U238, 0.720% U235, and 0.0055% U234.14a Uranium is enriched when its contents of U235 reaches 3.2-3.6% (since U235 is fissible). Weapon-grade uranium is +90% U235.14a What is depleted uranium? We start out with natural uranium and extract enriched uranium for nuclear fuel and weaponry. The leftover from the extraction process is something very similar to natural uranium, known as “depleted uranium”. The only difference is that DU has 0.202% of U235 and 0.0008% of U234.14a How much DU do we currently have? As of June 1998, we have around 57,800 huge steel cylinders of DU or 496,000 metric tons. 14b Storage of DU is very complicated and problematic since corrosion of DU storage cylinders often occurs over relatively short periods of time.15 Depleted uranium is stored as Uranium Flouride (UF6) in giant cylinders. When the projectile cuts through the armor, the DU penetrator and parts of the tank get so hot that it literally vaporizes. Anywhere from 18-70% of the DU usually oxidizes (depending on type of impact).14c For example, direct impact yields 99% oxidization. A Uranium oxide (which consists of insoluble UO2 and soluble UO3) aerosol forms, where 50-96% of the particles are less than 10 microns and hence can be inhaled easily.2 DU is extremely toxic and still contains much of the radiation that natural uranium has. For example, US Army field manuals indicate that those who handle DU contaminated vehicles or DU injured individuals must wear gas masks and protective radiological suits.14f There are at least 15-17 countries that currently possess DU ammunition (e.g. US, Britain, France, Israel, Egypt, Russia, South Korea, Taiwan, etc.)14c,13 A harmful reaction by Allied veterans to chemical, biological, and radiological effects from the Gulf War culminated into what is known as Gulf War Syndrome (part of the cause is po

PIRATENEWS

Friday, April 14, 2006 2:20 AM (P)

Mexican Gangsta Govt is paying for alien criminals to riot in USA, which is an act of WAR:

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Fox hires lobbyist to sweeten U.S. views on immigration

Los Angeles Times | December 28, 2005
BY SAM ENRIQUEZ

MEXICO CITY -- President Vicente Fox has rehired the Texas public relations man and GOP political consultant who quietly helped engineer his election victory in 2000. This time, Fox wants Rob Allyn & Co. to put the brakes on growing anti-immigration, anti-Mexican sentiment in the United States.

Last week, the U.S. House approved a bill to add 700 miles of border fencing and make illegal immigration a felony. Fox denounced the measure as shameful. His foreign minister called it stupid and underhanded.

''The contributions of Mexicans in the United States, who are making their best effort, generating lots of wealth, are not known,'' said Rodrigo Iván Cortés Jiménez, an elected deputy in Mexico's lower house and a member of its commission on foreign affairs.

The immigration bill, expected to reach the Senate in February, has no provision for allowing temporary Mexican workers -- a further slap, in Fox's view. He and President Bush agree on the need for a ''guest worker'' program.

Fox cannot seek reelection next year, and his legacy may rest in part on his pledges to secure an agreement with the United States to grant legal status to the millions of Mexicans living and working illegally north of the border.

So the Mexican leader last week turned to the political operative who helped him topple Mexico's longtime ruling party to win the presidency.

Rob Allyn helped George W. Bush defeat Ann Richards for the governorship of Texas in 1994. Three years later, Allyn saw another potential winner in Fox, then governor of Guanajuato state. He agreed to join Fox's presidential campaign, but only in secret.

For three years, Allyn worked clandestinely, helping craft Fox's message of change, as well as his TV commercials, his polling and his wardrobe. Allyn made dozens of trips to Mexico, traveling under one of three pseudonyms.

Fox, of the National Action Party, came from behind to defeat Francisco Labastida of the Institutional Revolutionary Party, which had ruled Mexico for seven decades. During Mexico's official campaign season in the first six months of 2000, Allyn worked with Penn, Schoen & Berland, a polling and political consulting firm. They operated Democracy Watch, a nonpartisan group hired by Mexicans to conduct national exit polls as a hedge against election fraud.

After the July election, Allyn told the Dallas Morning News he hid his work for Fox because he didn't want to be a political liability. Mexicans are sensitive to foreign interference, especially involving the United States.

Allyn, who also worked on the Bush presidential campaigns, now faces a bigger challenge with the migration issue.

Demands to stem illegal immigration are growing louder in the United States as Mexican and Central American workers spread across the country.

''Our focus is on public opinion, which influences policy outcomes in Congress,'' said Allyn, 46, who grew up in Huntington Beach, Calif., and moved to Texas when he was in high school. ``There is a huge misperception among the U.S. public about Mexico.''

Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Ernesto Derbez said Allyn's message should be that Mexicans have sunk roots deep in their U.S. neighborhoods and that they contribute more through their work, taxes and families than they take away in public services.

www.sunherald.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/americas/13472193.htm?tem
plate=contentModules/printstory.jsp

Who'd Vicente Fox Hire to Stop Us From Building Our Border Fence?

Why, George Bush's Old PR Hack, of course!

Unabashedly Unhyphenated | December 20, 2006

Predictably, Vicente Fox's kleptocratic regime is apoplectic over the thought of the United States actually excercising its sovereignty. So, what did he run out and do right after unleashing an initial demand that we continue our de facto illegal merger

CITIZEN

Friday, April 14, 2006 2:48 AM (P)

Can't be sure but that looks like the projectile from a railgun, that thing falling away would be the armature. It connects the two rails which both hold a lot of current.

I imagine thats why it's burning.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.

FLETCH2

Friday, April 14, 2006 2:57 AM (P)

It's a sabotted round. It's fired from a conventional gun whick is why the outer sections, the Sabbot, are burning. After the round is fired they fall away and the internal fletchete core continues the the target.

Not a good pic for PN to use because the Sabbot itself wouldnt be DU and the core DU Fletchete would not be in contact with the explosive.

PIRATENEWS

Friday, April 14, 2006 3:28 AM (P)

KAMIKAZE DU

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Originally posted by citizen:

Can't be sure but that looks like the projectile from a railgun, that thing falling away would be the armature. It connects the two rails which both hold a lot of current.

I imagine thats why it's burning.

If you would [* MOD ACTION: personal attacks and flaming are not accepted on these forums -- if this continues, threads will be moved wholesale to troll country and accounts may be suspended *]

it's fired from a TANK. 120mm Howitzer.

Radioactive DU munitions burn at 9,000-deg F (5,000-deg C)

The SABOTS fall away as soon as it exits the gun barrel, just like the plastic cup of pellets in a shotgun shell.

US troops are not allowed to wear antiradiation
suits while handling radiactive munitions
www.notinourname.net/war/du.html

The DU metal dart is on fire on its ass end, where it was ignited by the burning gunpowder, just like a tracer bullet, except radioactive.

Abrams tank firing DU round burning at 9,000-deg F (5,000-deg C)

This radioactive smoke is then breathed by US troops, especially those inside the tank, when they reopen the barrel to reload. When the DU dart hits a target, it melts and explodes into radioactive dust, which is then breathed by US soldiers and Iraqis - and all Europeans.

The fins ARE in direct contact with the gunpowder, which DOES ignite the "bullet" which then burns at 9,000-deg F (5,000-deg C). DU self-ignites at only 340-deg F (170-deg C)

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Is The Pentagon Giving Our Soldiers Cancer? (large photos of DU weapons and injuries)
Rolling Stone; October 2, 2003
U.S. military might relies on depleted uranium, which incinerates tanks on impact. But soldiers and civilians alike say the radioactive ammo is making them sick. DU burns at 9,000-deg F (5,000-deg C). Depleted uranium is the heaviest of metals, which results in its superior penetrating abilities; it is also highly pyrophoric, bursting into flames at temperatures of 170 degrees Celsius. To imagine the carnage, one need only recall Iraq's infamous "Highway of Death", a desert road between Basra and Kuwait's border that remains strewn with radioactive trucks, cars, and tanks. U.S. soldiers found bodies inside those vehicles that were burned in such astonishing ways that they dubbed the remains "crispy critters".
www.feedthefish.org/blog/materials/johnson.html

The fins ARE in direct contact with the gunpowder, which DOES ignite the "bullet" which then burns at 9,000-deg F (5,000-deg C). DU self-ignites at only 340-deg F (170-deg C)

Risk assessment: exposure to depleted uranium
by Dr Alex Bordujenko, MB BS, MPH, FAFPHM, for the Expert Committee to Examine Balkan Veteran Exposure to Depleted Uranium
www.defence.gov.au/dpe/dhs/infocentre/publications/journals/NoIDs/adfh
ealth_apr03/ADFHealth_4_1_06-11.html

It's the NWO's method of destroying the US military. Once that's accomplished, USA is undefended. That's one reason the US military is exported to Iraq, where it's logistically impossible to defend the Mex border.

Big Brother loves you. Go back to sleeeeeep. Drink your Flourine and eat your PAX. Breathe your DU. All is Well...

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LUNG CANCER EPIDEMIC FROM DU HAS BEGUN IN U.S.

By Dr. James Howenstine, MD.
April 6, 2006
NewsWithViews.com

In the year 2005 there were 175,000 new cases of lung cancer in the United States. The months of January and February of 2006 have already yielded 172,000 new cases of lung cancer in our nation. What has lead to this shocking new development?

Second hand smoke exposure and cigarette smoking obviously can not explain this

CITIZEN

Friday, April 14, 2006 9:26 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Fletch2:
It's a sabotted round. It's fired from a conventional gun whick is why the outer sections, the Sabbot, are burning. After the round is fired they fall away and the internal fletchete core continues the the target.

Not a good pic for PN to use because the Sabbot itself wouldnt be DU and the core DU Fletchete would not be in contact with the explosive.

Then I stand corrected, though I did get PN to back up something he said with evidence, so yay me.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.

REAVERMAN

Friday, April 14, 2006 4:55 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
[BRadioactive DU munitions burn at 9,000-deg F (5,000-deg C)

Didn't you say before that it burns at 3000 degrees farenheit?

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

REAVERMAN

Friday, April 14, 2006 5:06 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverman:

Also, DU doesn't "ignite at over 3000 degrees F the instant it leaves the barrel". Have you ever fired a gun? I have. I have fired pistols, rifles, assault rifles, and battle rifles, and the ammunition sure as hell never got that hot then. Heat doesn't come from nowhere. The heat of a bullet comes from the ignition of the powder charge, and you can't tell me that gunpowder gets that hot.

I'm mentally retarded. PLEASE help me.

Anyone who names themself an insane cannibal ODed on SSRIs deserves their fate.

So, you've taken to altering quotes to make your arguments sound better? Funny, I don't remember saying anything about me being mentally retarded. I've never altered your quotes. Hell, I've never had to alter your qoutes. You sound ridiculous enough all by your lonesome. And, what does it matter what my screen name is?

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BTW, LEAD is the ONLY real "depleted uranium", which took billions of years to decay from uranium, but even lead is a deadly heavy metal that binds to DNA, causing cancers and birth defects.

Lead didn't take 45 billion years to come about, fool! the Earth is, at most 5 billion years old (The entire Universe is only 15 billion years old), so, by your imaginary DU deterioration timescale, DU is older than the universe itself. Do you ever get tired of contradicting yourself?

P.S. Learn to spell!!! It's Mafia, not Mafiya!

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

REAVERMAN

Friday, April 14, 2006 5:08 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:
Originally posted by Fletch2:
It's a sabotted round. It's fired from a conventional gun whick is why the outer sections, the Sabbot, are burning. After the round is fired they fall away and the internal fletchete core continues the the target.

Not a good pic for PN to use because the Sabbot itself wouldnt be DU and the core DU Fletchete would not be in contact with the explosive.

Then I stand corrected, though I did get PN to back up something he said with evidence, so yay me.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.

You've done the impossible, and that makes you mighty!

P.S. Yay, Citizen!

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

REAVERMAN

Friday, April 14, 2006 5:10 PM (P)

REAVERMAN

Friday, April 14, 2006 5:11 PM (P)

PIRATENEWS

Friday, April 14, 2006 8:26 PM (P)

Did you eat your own tongue, Reaverman?

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Originally posted by reaverman:

Lead didn't take 45 billion years to come about, fool! the Earth is, at most 5 billion years old (The entire Universe is only 15 billion years old), so, by your imaginary DU deterioration timescale, DU is older than the universe itself. Do you ever get tired of contradicting yourself?

"Depleted" Uranium comes from "Enriched" Uranium, NOT from natural uranium. Lead is decayed natural uranium, NOT from decayed Enriched Uranium, which is manmade inside nuclear reactors, which duplicate the temperature of stars (over 3 million degrees F), forging new heavier elements such as super-radioactive isotopes of uranium. Natural uranium was manufactured inside a star, which then exploded in supernova, perhaps 10-billion years ago, according to current guestimates by nuclear physicists and astronomers. So lead had at least 10-billion years to decay from natural uranium, long before Earth was formed by gravity. Inside stars, ALL elements burn at over 3-million degrees F, including uranium.

4.5-billion years is the official half-life of "Depleted" (Enriched) Uranium. Since half of the original radiation is still deadly radiation, it requires 10 half-lives to reach a "safe" level. Duh. How come you can't figure out how to look it up for yourself? Have you never heard of search engines?

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Experimentally, we find that spontaneous fission reactions occur for only the very heaviest nuclides those with mass numbers of 230 or more. Even when they do occur, these reactions are often very slow. The half-life for the spontaneous fission of 238U, for example, is 10-16 years (10,000,000,000,000,000 years), or about two million times longer than the age of our planet! It is the reprocessing of 239Pu that concerns most of the critics of breeder reactors. 239Pu is so dangerous as a carcinogen that the nuclear industry places a limit on exposure to this material that assumes workers inhale no more than 0.2 micrograms of plutonium over their lifetimes. In 1972, a group of French scientists discovered that uranium ore from a deposit in the Oklo mine in Gabon, West Africa, contained 0.4% 235U instead of the 0.72% abundance found in all other sources of this ore. Analysis of the trace elements in the ore suggested that the amount of 235U in this ore was unusually small because natural fission reactors operated in this deposit for a period of 600,000 to 800,000 years about 2 billion years ago. The d-t reaction has an ignition temperature above 10-8 degrees Kelvin (180-million degrees F). In a hydrogen bomb, a fission reaction produced by a small atomic bomb is used to heat the contents to the temperature required to initiate fusion.
http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genchem/topicreview/bp/ch23/fission.php

So DU can burn at 180-million degrees F, in a nuclear bomb. So can every other element. Those Jews are so smart, they figured out how to kill people at 180-million degrees F. And these Jews planned the Manhattan Project at Jewish Bohemian Grove, performing "mock" human sacrifice to the Jewish god Molech. And running around nekked in the woods, wanking each others' weewees. Lovely.
www.infowars.com/bg1.html

If DU is so safe, why don't you sign a slave contract and go to Iraq, then eat and breathe and touch as much DU as you can? Then tell us what happens to you, if you survive long enough to write a letter.

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Originally posted by reaverman:

P.S. Learn to spell!!! It's Mafia, not Mafiya!

Mafia = Italian gangsters
Mafiya = Russian Jewish gangsters

That's how THEY spell the names of their organized crime cartels. History Channel TV reports that the Jewish Mafiya has always controlled the Italian Mafia in USA, since the Jewish Mafiya has far more wealth, due to its scamming via bankster and Wall Street rackets, which simply create unlimited money out of paper, which they con the sheeple into paying for.
www.norfed.org

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Originally posted by reaverman:

Also, DU doesn't "ignite at over 3000 degrees F

REAVERMAN

Saturday, April 15, 2006 6:29 AM (P)

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Originally posted by piratenews:
Lead is decayed natural uranium, NOT from decayed Enriched Uranium, which is manmade inside nuclear reactors, which duplicate the temperature of stars (over 3 million degrees F), forging new heavier elements such as super-radioactive isotopes of uranium.

Nuclear reactors cannot get that hot! If they could, we wouldn't still be struggling to create a viable means of harnessing fusion energy. If it were that temperature, the water used as coolant would vaporize instantly, and the reactor walls would suffer an immediate, catastrophic meltdown.

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Gunpowder burns at over 3,000 degrees F. Are you claiming that is not "hot"? Have you never fired a gun at night, where the fire exiting the barrel can blind you? That's why military rifles, used for hunting people, use "flash-suppressors", to prevent night-blindness, and prevent the enemy seeing their location in the dark.

I have fired a gun at night, without a flash supressor or protective eyeware.
It does not blind you. Plus, if gunpowder burns at 3000 degrees, why don't the action and the barrel melt after a single shot?

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How do you explain tracer bullets, painted with magnesium metal powder, that self-ignites in oxygen, 10-feet after leaving the barrel of a gun? Tracer bullets and magnesium flares self-ignite at ROOM-TEMPERATURE, without primer and without sparks.
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The magnesium and phosphorus they use are completely different chemicals. Different chemicals have different properties. To oxidize (burn), all chemicals MUST have energy to start the reaction. Because of their atomic makeup, some require minimal energy to ignite, while some(like, say, diamond) need unbelieveably massive amounts of activation energy.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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REAVERMAN

Saturday, April 15, 2006 6:33 AM (P)

I have one simple question for you Piratenews: If the world is run the way you believe it is run, then why aren't you dead? If you are exposing the "truth" about those that run the world, why haven't you "disappeared"?

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

RIVER6213

Saturday, April 15, 2006 7:43 AM (P)

Stolen from Starship Troopers the Movie, but it fits.

*Voice screen commentary*

“The devastation we are seeing here is unparallel. Judging from early estimates, millions are dead, a city in ruins.

*River6213* “Is that Geneva?”
*Sandra* “Gorrum Piratenews wacked us River”

*Voice screen commentary continues*

“The weapons that hit our city was derived from Lamurra, the home planet of PirateNews.

“Nothing lives, in what was once called a Pacific Northwest paradise.

*River” Sandra, that’s us, that’s home!!

*Voice Commentary *
“Seattle has been wiped off the face of the Earth,”

[Flip screens of various types showing the widespread destruction]

*Voice Commentary *
The federal council assembled moments ago and voted unanimously to destroy the PirateNews threat.

RIVER6213

Saturday, April 15, 2006 7:50 AM (P)

We now have 6 carriers and four battleships with support, and 8 cruisers patrolling this thread, and also air support.
Bring it you mama's boy.

River

CITIZEN

Saturday, April 15, 2006 11:24 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by PirateJew:
Lead is decayed natural uranium, NOT from decayed Enriched Uranium, which is manmade inside nuclear reactors, which duplicate the temperature of stars (over 3 million degrees F), forging new heavier elements such as super-radioactive isotopes of uranium. Natural uranium was manufactured inside a star, which then exploded in supernova, perhaps 10-billion years ago, according to current guestimates by nuclear physicists and astronomers.

If you learned to READ and THINK (no what I'm saying sweet pea

) You'd KNOW that a Fission Nuclear Reactor never reaches that temperature. A nuclear Fission reactor contains a Nuclear FISSION reaction to heat water into STEAM. Therefore it never has to rise much above 100 degrees c in order to do it's job. What ever temperature the Reactor reaches it does have to be contained by materials here on Earth, and as you so eloquently (for a primary school child anyway) put it all materials burn at 3-million degrees F.

You may be thinking of a nuclear FUSION reaction, which has to be contained within a magnetic field (and is what happens inside stars). Unfortunately me-love that’s not a radioactive reaction, and has nothing to do with Uranium as a fuel, it turns Hydrogen into Helium by combining two Hydrogen Atoms under pressure and heat to form a single Helium Atom.

This is usually done with Deuterium (an Isotope of Hydrogen, I realise such things would be hard to wrap your head around), which consists of one Proton and one Neutron. These are combined to produce Helium-3, which has two Protons and one Neutron, with a free Neutron as a by product.

When Deuterium is used there is NO radioactive component.

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4.5-billion years is the official half-life of "Depleted" (Enriched) Uranium. Since half of the original radiation is still deadly radiation, it requires 10 half-lives to reach a "safe" level. Duh. How come you can't figure out how to look it up for yourself? Have you never heard of search engines?

Lets get some real numbers out there now shall we. Not PirateNaziJews made up crayon fun-fantasy-playtime numbers:
U-238 has a half life of 4.5 Billion Years.
U-235 has a half life of 713 Million Years.
U-234 has a half life of 342,500 Years.

Can we stop talking about PirateNaziJews sleepy nap time numbers now, please? Now be a good little girl and go do your crayoning.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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FLETCH2

Saturday, April 15, 2006 8:46 PM (P)

Ok just to get this over with.

All elements heavier that hydrogen are made by the action of stars. As stars burn hydrogen fuel they convert hydrogen into helium. As stars get old and start to cool they start making heavier materials, esentially the elements that make up our physical world.

The heavier an element, the harder it is to produce, which is why elements like gold, lead and uranium are harder to find in nature than things like nitrogen and carbon.

Some elements have isotopes, that's a variation of the same elements with a different number of neutrons in the core. Now atomic cores tends to be more stable the closer they get to having an even ballence of neutrons and protons, so if an isotope has a wide significant difference in the number of neutrons it has a risk of being radioactive.

Certain very heavy nuclear isotopes like Plutonium are not made by stars. They are made inside nuclear reactors by a process known as neutron capture. Nuclear reactions work on neutrons, when U235 is hit by a neutron it breaks into two lighter elements and produces two new neutrons that go off to split 2 new U235 atoms. It is this chain reaction that powers nuclear reactors and nuclear bombs. If one of these spare neutrons hits the nucleus of another atom and is captured, the resulting isotope tends to become radioactive. It was found that if you bombard U238 with neutrons you eventually get plutonium, that's what a breeder reactor does, it introduces U238 into a reactor in the hope of turning some of it into Plutonium. Since you can make smaller nuclear weapons with Plutonium than Uranium, the existance of breeder reactors is a definate clue to to a country's nuclear intensions.

So let's go through some of the great PN's words of wisdom

1) Lead comes from decayed Uranium. --- Untrue, lead was made as lead inside a dying star. Uranium decays to lead eventually...... but right now there is very little lead about that was once Uranium.

2) Depleted Uranium is a reactor byproduct. ----That could well be, but it would be unlikely. If you buy yellowcake --- Uranium ore most of it is U238. To make fuel from it you have to enrich it, that is, seperate out the U235 from the U238. There are various ways this can be done the lowest tech of which is with a centrafuge (remember the aluminium tube thing.) This is WAY before the material ever sees a reactor. It is at this point that most of the U238 is removed and would be a waste product. It's not impossible that the depleted uranium is reactor waste but to clean it up enough and remove usefull materials and high radioactive isotopes from it would be expensive compared to just using the waste from enrichment.

3) Uranium is really bad for the body. ---- Oh yeah, no doubting that, all heavy metals are extremely bad for you if they are radioactive or not. You can add readily available lead to that list.

4) Depleted Uranium is highly radioactive. ---- No, the clue here is halflife. Generally materials emit radiation as they decay. Halflife is a measurement of rate of decay. High halflife means slow rate of decay, so generally that means low activity. So materials with long half lives are generally not as dangerous as ones with short halflives. There are exceptions to this though. One is if the chemical properties of the material would have it concentrate in the body. The body takes in elements all the time, useful or rare ones it tries to keep. If the radioactive isotope is chemically similar to one of these materials the body may inadvertly concentrate it.

DU's biggest problem by far is that it's toxic. How toxic it is compared to lead I don't know, but then you wouldnt really want to be exposed to too much lead either. Given the army's record with things like Agent Orange it's likely that long term physical and environmental effects haven't really been thought through. At the time DU was being thought out people expected it to be used on a tactical nuclear battlefield, it could be that they believed in that situation the effect was minimal.

PIRATENEWS

Sunday, April 16, 2006 1:58 AM (P)

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PIRATENEWS wrote:

4.5-billion years is the official half-life of "Depleted" (Enriched) Uranium. Since half of the original radiation is still deadly radiation, it requires 10 half-lives to reach a "safe" level. Duh. How come you can't figure out how to look it up for yourself? Have you never heard of search engines?

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citizenMOD wrote:

Lets get some real numbers out there now shall we.

U-238 has a half life of 4.5 Billion Years.

See, even citizenMOD agrees that I'm CORRECT. Which means all my facts are correct, according to the Evil Anglo-Sino Alliance British Empire. But citizenMOD is still a moron when it comes to boiling water, since he's ignernt about pressure cookers and automotive radiators, which boil water at much higher temperatures than the normal boiling temp of 212 deg F at sea level (100 deg C at sea level). CitizenMOD would be DEAD if he cooked his food on top of Mt Everest, since the boiling point of water would only be 69 °C.

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Pressure Corrected Boiling Temperature Of Water Calculator
www.csgnetwork.com/h2oboilcalc.html
www.csgnetwork.com/prescorh2oboilcalc.html

Nuke or coal-fired steam turbines produce max horsepower when steam is at much higher temp and high pressure, limited only by how strong the piping is.

Steam 1000 °F (540 °C) = 3,200 psi = 2-million HP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_turbine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_fuel_power_plant

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Originally posted by reaverman:

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:

Lead is decayed natural uranium, NOT from decayed Enriched Uranium, which is manmade inside nuclear reactors, which duplicate the temperature of stars (over 3 million degrees F), forging new heavier elements such as super-radioactive isotopes of uranium.

Nuclear reactors cannot get that hot! If they could, we wouldn't still be struggling to create a viable means of harnessing fusion energy. If it were that temperature, the water used as coolant would vaporize instantly, and the reactor walls would suffer an immediate, catastrophic meltdown.

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Gunpowder burns at over 3,000 degrees F. Are you claiming that is not "hot"? Have you never fired a gun at night, where the fire exiting the barrel can blind you? That's why military rifles, used for hunting people, use "flash-suppressors", to prevent night-blindness, and prevent the enemy seeing their location in the dark.

I have fired a gun at night, without a flash supressor or protective eyeware.
It does not blind you. Plus, if gunpowder burns at 3000 degrees, why don't the action and the barrel melt after a single shot?

www.1stcavmedic.com/glossary-files/ac-47-puff.htm
BULLSHIT

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How do you explain tracer bullets, painted with magnesium metal powder, that self-ignites in oxygen, 10-feet after leaving the barrel of a gun? Tracer bullets and magnesium flares self-ignite at ROOM-TEMPERATURE, without primer and without sparks.

The magnesium and phosphorus they use are completely different chemicals. Different chemicals have different properties. To oxidize (burn), all chemicals MUST have energy to start the reaction. Because of their atomic makeup, some require minimal energy to ignite, while some(like, say, diamond) need unbelieveably massive amounts of activation energy.

Wow, I didn't know we already harnessed nuke fusion for powerplants. So you're now a nuclear physicist? Amazing that you have rewritten all existing textbooks of nuclear energy. Who would've guessed Einstein and gang were wrong. Thanks for correcting them. Not.

No element can "burn" without oxygen (oxidation), which is merely a chemical reaction, at any temp. Rust is oxidation (iron oxide, which is VERY explosive and a component of Thermite used to melt/cut the steel of WTC). An explosion is merely a rapid burn. Buy yourself a toy chemistry set, and start mixing chemicals until you blow yourself up.

Nuke rea

REAVERMAN

Sunday, April 16, 2006 4:41 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Nuke reactors "meltdown" if not throttled-down by graphite rods, and cooled by millions of gallons of water, with the water cooled in giant cooling towers.

Exactly. The reactors could get that hot, if they weren't cooled. Of course, by the time the reactor got that hot, there wouldn't be a reactor - just a pile of molten slag.

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All gunpowder burns above 3,000 deg F. The reason they burn hotter than fire is due to oxygen in the gunpowder mix, via potassium nitrATE (ATE = oxygen), which acts like compressed oxygen in an oxyacetaline welding/cutting torch. Gun barrels are air-cooled, like nuke reactors. Some guns have added cooling fins, especially machine guns Machine guns are often water-cooled, since World War 1. All gun barrels overheat and warp if not allowed to cool between shots. Standard machine guns require barrels to be replaced on a fixed schedule.

Okay, I looked up your 3000+ deg. F figure on some sites and while some seem to agree more with me, most say that you are correct, so I concede defeat on that point. That said, I have noticed the cooling fins. Whenever I finish off a thirty round clip on an AR-180, AR-15, AK-47, or SKS assault rifle, there are visible raised lines on the exterior of the barrel.

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That's why 100-million invaders from Mexico can invade USA and split it in half, creating Civil War #2, and secceeding to form the new criminal cannibal nation of Aztlan, for the New World Order global slave plantation, turning planet Earth into a global Death Camp.

Umm, I dont think there's a hundred million of them. I think we would notice that. Also, how many of those folks are actually involved with the movement to create Aztlan? My guess would be not too many if they haven't already tried something.

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So Reaverman, you're an...

And I think you're a [* MOD ACTION: personal attacks and flaming are not accepted on these forums -- if this continues, threads will be moved wholesale to troll country and accounts may be suspended *]
. As for Satan, no, it really couldn't be. Satan is a figment of Man's overactive imagination.

But I dont think either of us really cares what the other thinks, so why dont we just leave it at that.

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This is how to deal with criminal invaders from Mexico

I may not like you or your message, but that is some funny shit!

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

PIRATENEWS

Sunday, April 16, 2006 5:17 AM (P)

Estimates are 40-million illegal aliens here now, with 100-million within 10 years, due to breeding anchor-babies like rabbits, plus 2.5-million/year crossing the border. Anchor-babies are still illegal aliens. When a foreign tourist has a baby in USA, that baby is NEVER a US citizen.

And I may have to git me one of them thar gatlin guns. Or at least visit a machinegun shoot.

www.montysminiguns.com

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Families celebrate Fathers Day at machine gun shoot-out

KRNV-TV

Everyone has their own way to celebrate Father's Day, but some families went out of their way to break tradition.

Close to 2,000 people made their way to the Mustang gun range to show their love by firing automatic weapons.

Under Nevada's open gun laws, it is legal to shoot machine guns. And fathers, sons, and shooting enthusiasts in general, had an opportunity to shoot fully automatic weapons like AK-47s, M-60's, and Uzi's.

While it may not be a traditional Fathers Day event, for Matt and Andy Polehman it was all about being together on this special day. "My dad and I have this saying, it doesn't matter what we do as long as we do it together."

If you missed Sunday's shoot, don't worry, the range will host another one this October.

This what the US/Mex border should look like
www.redrat.net/years/03/machine_guns/

I bet Joss and Mal got some gatlin guns with their big paychecks.

http://www.moviebadgirls.com/capthumb/S_The_Big_Zapper_12.JPG
www.moviebadgirls.com/gunpage_125_1.html

Maybe that's Joss' secret weapon in the box office - hot chicks with firesticks.

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Illegal Aliens Force Marine Training Range To Shut Down 500 Times Since July 2004

Virtually every Marine squadron headed to Iraq or Afghanistan receives combat training at the Marine Corps Air Station in Yuma, which for nearly 40 miles touches the US-Mexico border in the southwestern corner of Arizona. The Border Patrol's focus in recent years on tightening the border in the eastern part of the state, where volunteer citizens this month have established their own observation posts, has pushed more undocumented immigrants westward.

Since July 2004, the training range has been shut down more than 500 times because of immigrants spotted on the range, causing a loss of more than 1,100 training hours, said Colonel James J. Cooney, the base's commanding officer.

"That's equivalent to almost 46 days of training. We're getting overrun here," he said in an interview. "Any moment we take away from a Marine's experience base could cost him his life in combat."

Cooney said Marines intercepted more than 1,500 undocumented immigrants on the training range last year and, in the first three months of this year, more than 1,100. Base personnel detain the immigrants and call in Border Patrol agents to pick them up.

Another big concern, he said, is the potential danger to undocumented immigrants: "We just don't want them to come here, because we're firing lasers, we're shooting machine guns, we're shooting 209-millimeter cannons, and we're dropping practice bombs, and we don't want to hurt anyone [Why not? - Digger]."

Last summer a Marine pilot dropped a practice bomb on a target and seconds later, a few feet away, a small group of illegal immigrants scrambled from underneath a bush and ran down the range. The near miss was caught on a training tape that Cooney has reviewed.

There is some concern that, besides wandering immigrants, foreign terrorists could cross the Mexican border and infiltrate the Arizona bases to conduct intelligence gathering or commit acts of sabotage. (That's the purpose of CIA/Pentagon's Operation NORTHWOODS, for Pentagon to hire enemy soldiers to attack US military bases.)

"The potential exists, and that is a key reason we are vigilant about securing our training ranges," Cooney said.

Gotta love our border policy.

www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000955.html

http://www.red

MERCHANTMARINE1

Monday, April 17, 2006 10:32 AM (P)

We are all affected by illegal immigration, can anyone answers these questions?

With the documentation process in place, why would a person risk life to sneak across when all they would need is a pen blue/or black ink to complete forms and no risk of life involved.

2. I have traveled to mexico several times, I have found beautiful homes in the Mazatlan and Peuorto Viartia area that once was owned by americans, these properties were seized by the Mexican Government.. why, the owners (americans) were not Mexican citizens and are not entitled to so much land? Has this situation been corrected or are illegals thinking they are entitled to their cake and eat it too while American Citizens are kicked in the teeth everywhere.

3. I have been reading about crime problems, rapes, murders and drug trafficing how much is really caused by illegal immigrants?

4. Speaking as a Merchant Marine, I know from personal experience that our shipping industry has gone foreign flag, why, its cheaper to hire foreigners to sail commerically than a U.S. Merchant Marine. we attend training which is costly, we follow rules and regulations and EPA and other IMO regulations. Two Commerical ships collided off Japan last week and Sank, no crew were killed but businesses are now suffering for their lost goods, why, both ships had foreign crews and no one knew how to conduct themselves, and save their ships.. again training.. and now two ships sunk, and millions of dollars lost.

5. in regards to 4. The Cruise line is also a problem spot, recent months have dotted the news with disappearences, a honeymooner off turkey, a 15 year old girl, a college graduate, and other rapes and crimes.. why, again, cheaper to hire a foreigner and pay well below the standards and not have to worry about government rules or enforcement.

6. finally, I have heard on many talk shows on satillite, that illegal immigrants pay taxes.. can anyone answer how? If you buy a forged Social Security Number, I.D. and other forged documents, how do you file a tax return on those documents? How does an employer continue to deduct when, I know this from my Ex-Wife, her SSN was miss typed, and after she filed her taxes, she got an audit for that social. It didn't get accepted by the IRS, so, can anyone answer that, I am dying to get an answer.. our Identity data base has changed so much in 20 years, you can't hide for long and if you are here illegally, I doubt you would risk being exposed.. if you put your life in such jeparody to trek through a desert, why would you do the same filing taxes.. and if they are deducted taxes,, well its a fack number, where does the money go? if not in their account which does not exsist.. then were?

Merchantmarine1

CITIZEN

Monday, April 17, 2006 11:51 AM (P)

PirateNews:
Could you save us all from the evils of Fire alarms next please?

They contain a source of Alpha Radiation, so they nuke us all constantly IN OUR OWN HOMES and the GOVERNMENT RECOMMENDS that EVERYBODY gets one.

Plot by the New World Order to make us all sterile glow in the dark sheeple?

What other explination could there be?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.

FLETCH2

Monday, April 17, 2006 1:54 PM (P)

Merchant Marine,

I can answer the last question. Illegals use ligitimate SSN so they pass through the system. Apparently the IRS knows that there is a problem because of muliple people filing on the same SSN but generally doesn't have the manpower to sort it out. Illegals using a stolen SSN can screw with the legit SSN owners credit rating. It is unclear if the victim of SSN theft is credited with the extra SS payments that are made under alternate names using their SSN.

This was from a local investigative report from one of our Dallas TV stations on a woman who was audited repeatedly by the IRS because her SSN was used in multiple places...

OLDENGLANDDRY

Monday, April 17, 2006 3:25 PM (P)

That private Tank is an M3 / M5 Stuart, 60 years old and about as usefull in a fight as a sausage sandwich.
It's also being driven by Jews.
Apart from the man on the left who is waving a Commie Red flag.
The little girl is also a Jew.
All the people manning those machine guns are Jews.
The machine guns are actually pointed at Tennesee.

You'd better duck.

REAVERMAN

Monday, April 17, 2006 11:42 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
That private Tank is an M3 / M5 Stuart, 60 years old and about as usefull in a fight as a sausage sandwich.
It's also being driven by Jews.
Apart from the man on the left who is waving a Commie Red flag.
The little girl is also a Jew.
All the people manning those machine guns are Jews.
The machine guns are actually pointed at Tennesee.

You'd better duck.

Jews?! Commies?! Ahhh! The Nazis, Brits and Aliens can't be too far behind!

My God, they've already invaded Tennesee

! Run!

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

PIRATENEWS

Friday, April 21, 2006 7:08 AM (P)

US Dept of Homeland Security arrests 1,000 illegal aliens in USA, let's 29,999,000 escape - borders still wide open

US Dept of Homeland Security RELEASED 600,000 illegal aliens, then wondered why they never showed up for their deportation hearings...

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Hundreds nabbed in immigration raid

Executives, workers arrested in nationwide move against pallet maker

MSNBC-GE
April 19, 2006

WASHINGTON - Immigration agents arrested seven executives and hundreds of employees of a manufacturer of crates and pallets Wednesday as part of a crackdown on employers of illegal workers.

Authorities raided offices and plants of IFCO Systems in at least eight states, the culmination of a yearlong criminal investigation, law enforcement officials said.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents arrested seven current and former IFCO Systems managers on charges they conspired to transport, harbor and encourage illegal workers to reside in the United States for commercial advantage and private financial gain, said Glenn T. Suddaby, the chief federal prosecutor in Albany, N.Y., where some arrests were made.

ICE spokeswoman Jamie Zuieback confirmed an unspecified number of raids and arrests but declined to provide additional details because the investigation was continuing. One official, speaking on condition of anonymity because numbers were still being tallied, said the arrests were in the hundreds.

Raids across the U.S.

Raids took place at several locations in upstate New York and in Biglerville, Pa.; Charlotte, N.C.; Cincinnati, Houston, Phoenix, Richmond, Va., and Westborough, Mass.

"ICE has no tolerance for corporate officers who harbor illegal aliens for their work force. Today's nationwide enforcement actions show how we will use all our investigative tools to bring these individuals to justice, no matter how large or small their company," said ICE chief Julie Myers.

She and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff are expected on Thursday to lay out an immigration enforcement strategy that targets employers' disregard for immigration law.

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Separated at birth in Communist Czechoslavakia
Michael Chertoff is a current citizen of Israel
He hired ex-Communist KGB General Primkov at
$2-million/year to run US Dept of Homeland Security
www.weholdthesetruths.org

Israel has 1,000s of terrorist bombers in USA today according to Fox News, owned by Jewish Australian Sir Rupert Murdoch Knight of the British Empire and his Communist Chinese wife
www.september911surprise.com

Last week, operators of three restaurants in Baltimore pleaded guilty to similar immigration charges, while nine people affiliated with two temporary employment agencies that do business in New Jersey, Ohio and Pennsylvania were charged in a $5.3 million scheme involving the employment and harboring of illegal aliens.

Several immigration proposals pending in Congress would stiffen penalties against employers who hire illegal immigrants.

Company based in Germany

German-based IFCO Systems describes itself as the leading pallet services company in the United States, focusing on recycling millions of the wooden platforms used to stack and move all manner of goods. It operates about five dozen facilities nationwide and has been expanding steadily, according to the company's Web site.

IFCO Systems did not immediately return calls seeking comment Wednesday.

The current and former IFCO Systems managers arrested were identified by Suddaby as: Michael Ames, 44, Shrewsbury, Mass.; Robert Belvin, 43, Clifton Park, N.Y.; Abelino Chicas, 40, Houston; Scott Dodge, 43, Albany; William Hoskins, 29, Cincinnati; James Rice, 36, Houston, and Dario Salzano, 36, Amsterdam, N.Y.

Last year, Wal-Mart stores agreed to pay $11 million to settle allegations concerning the employment and mistreatment of illegal immigrants.

Wal-Mart has maintained that top executives did not know that cleaning contractors were hiring illegal immi

PIRATENEWS

Sunday, April 23, 2006 7:55 AM (P)

Quote:
ILLEGALS RAIDS EXPOSE LINKS TO CARLYLE GROUP

April 21, 2006

The news today stated that the illustrious Department of Homeland Security launched raids all over the country that arrested 100s of undocumented migrants working for IFCO Systems, a Dutch/German Company that makes pallets and plastic containers for shipping and transportation purposes.

The raids had an undoubtedly unexpected side effect. IFCO is very close to the Texas Republican political establishment. Neo-Confederate Governor Perry appointed a IFCO executive to the Workmens Compensation to be the "EMPLOYER COMMISSIONER" for the Workman's Compensation Commission on March 10, 2003. The new Commissioner's term will expire February 1, 2009.

Michael Hachtman of Houston , one of the cities targeted in the raids, is the Vice President of all things Business Development for IFCO Systems North America Inc.

It is the largest pallet company in the United States. He is also the former chief of staff at the Texas Railroad Commission. He was confirmed by the Republican dominated Texas Senate.

Maybe this explains why the current administration NEVER targets employers of illegal aliens until now, when they have been forced to by political pressure from the Democrats and now on the first time up to bat they stepped on their own Johnson. Such is life....

In 2003 87% of IFCO's stock was purchased by APAX Partners, another of those mushrooming "private equity firms". www.palletenterprise.com/articledatabase/view.asp?articleID=1144 .

APAX partners is run by a SIR Ronald Cohen Knight of the British Empire until mid-2005. The other leader in the firm is french and an advisor to the International Finance Corporation, the "commercial arm of the World Bank" now run by Paul Wolfowitz.

The Frenchman, Mr. Patricof is also a member of the United Nations Development Program and of course a member of the Council on Foreign Relations CFR.
www.apax.com/en/aboutus/history.html .

The UNDP program in which Mr. Patricof participated in was headed by former Canadian prime minister Paul Martin and more importantly former Mexican President Zedillo who believes that the border of Mexico in reality extends far into the United States. www.undp.org/dpa/pressrelease/releases/2003/july/25jul03.html .

"THE MEXICAN NATION EXTENDS BEYOND THE TERRITORY ENCLOSED BY ITS BORDER AND THAT MEXICAN MIGRANTS ARE AN IMPORTANT - A VERY IMPORTANT - PART OF IT."
www.diversityalliance.org/docs/article_2006feb09.html

Please Google or Dogpile - Apax Partners Carlyle Group - See how many interconnections exist? Now, Esteemed Reader, you know why employers are untouched.

It will be interesting to see how the Skull and Bones krewe spin-doctor their way out of this hole.
www.carlyle.com/eng/team/l5-team2172.html and www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Carlyle_Group -
www.webprowire.com/summaries/81193.html .

APAX knows the game, Mr. Patricof also helps "bundle" for Skull and Bones Presidential candidate John Kerry. The Dems are using the employer issue, but he, a loyal bonesman, has been as silent as the grave on the issue.
www.whitehouseforsale.org/demfundraising/bundler_search.cfm .

Republicans, Democrats, Mexicans, Texans, Canadians, French, CFR, the World Bank, The UN, and even a "Sir" - this is diversity and multiculturalism New World Order style....

One series of raids exposes a lot of big fat roaches under those wooden pallets.

Cordially, PH Craftlove New World Order Education Project

www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=134676

ILLEGAL HIRING FIRM OWNED BY CLIENT OF DHS SEC CHERTOFF

By Peter Herberg

The news media is replete with stories about Immigration authorities raiding IFCO Systems facilities all over the United States and arresting hundreds of undocumented workers alleged to be in the country illegally. See: www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/20/immigration.raids/index.html .

IFCO Systems had most of its shares purchased several years ago by a private equity firm named Apax Partners. See:

OLDENGLANDDRY

Sunday, April 23, 2006 10:49 AM (P)

Happy St.George's day to all subjects of the Empire.

CITIZEN

Sunday, April 23, 2006 11:29 AM (P)

Hey englanddry, what too come over to mine, we're having a BBQ in the Afternoon and we're sacrificing Virgins to Bolech's later.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

CHUCKD

Sunday, April 23, 2006 11:49 PM (P)

I'm sick and tired of our treasonous Gov't heeding to the ideology of the New World Order! What happened to the 'War on Terrorism', that Bush spoke of, so eloquently, in the aftermath of 9/11? That was and is a BOLD face lie! If true then why hasn't he provided those extra 2000 Border Patrol agents that were funded 2 to 3 years ago by Congress? Also, why is he trying to give amnesty to the 11 million illegals already here?
There is a plan by the banking cartel, ie the Fed, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergers, Council on Foreign Relations, Rothchilds, etc., to turn the good ole U.S. of A in to a third world country. It is planned to be called the American Union (Canada, U.S.A. and Mexico). They found out the only way to do so is to open up the borders and allow illegal aliens to enter and bankrupt our country! I have no problem with someone who comes to our country the right way, by immigration processes, and legally becoming a citizen.
Does anyone else realize that in Mexico it is a felony to be in their country as an ilegal alien? Ding, ding, where is the hypocrisy here? Our government is letting this happen and in turn we are going to have another protest march on the 1st of May, by illegal aliens who should not have the right to be authorized a parade request, enabling them to legally march and protest! This will eventually lead to civil unrest and then unfortunately a civil war within the confines of our own country. Do you honestly think your jobs are safe when the money-hungry Corporations start replacing you with illegals?
Wake up America and contact your Congressmen /Senators with tons of e-mails and phone calls, before it is too late!

KHYRON

Sunday, April 23, 2006 11:55 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
... and we're sacrificing Virgins to Bolech's later.

Virgins? In England? These days? Surely you joke!

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

CITIZEN

Monday, April 24, 2006 12:28 AM (P)

They come free in Kindersurprise.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

SIGNYM

Monday, April 24, 2006 4:22 PM (P)

I just couldn't let the DU issue go. (Sorry folks) Turns out that PN is half right. Uranium- when finely divided- will ignite when heated to fairly low temps. But if not finely divided, it can be milled like any other metal.

I was curious why anyone would want to "sabot" a round. What would be the purpose of jacketing a round anyway? It turns out that tanks fire two kinds of rounds- some with explosives and some without. The "without" rounds depend on momentum and shape (long, narrow, pointed, heavy) for penetration- like an arrow. DU is usually used. But being too narrow for the bore, the round is jacketed to stabilize it in the cannon. What you see burning at the end of the round is simply the charge.

science.howstuffworks.com/m1-tank3.htm

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It was an itch that was driving me crazy.

SIGNYM

Monday, April 24, 2006 4:36 PM (P)

Quote:
There is a plan by the banking cartel, ie the Fed, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergers, Council on Foreign Relations, Rothchilds, etc., to turn the good ole U.S. of A in to a third world country.

Why be so exclusive? There is a plan by every good capitalist to turn the whole world into a third-world country. You can add the Carlyle Group, Mitsubishi, BP- Arco- Texaco- Chevron- Exxon- Mobil- Shell- Elf Aquitaine, every clothing manufacturer, Cargill, every pharma... And you needn't feel so special. it's not just the USA- I mean, look at what capitalism did to Russia and Nicaragua. I would say they were astonishing successes from a business point of view!

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Free as in freedom, not beer.

OLDENGLANDDRY

Monday, April 24, 2006 8:46 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Hey englanddry, what too come over to mine, we're having a BBQ in the Afternoon and we're sacrificing Virgins to Bolech's later.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

CITIZEN

Got to pass on that one, I'm busy making tin-foil hats for my Molech-day party on June 6th (06/06/06)

CITIZEN

Monday, April 24, 2006 8:55 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
CITIZEN

Got to pass on that one, I'm busy making tin-foil hats for my Molech-day party on June 6th (06/06/06)

That's a shame we were going to play what's my Sheeple. Oh well maybe next time.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

PIRATENEWS

Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:07 AM (P)

F the Gangsta Govt, let's fix it ourselves. Build our own fence, and make 30-million citizens arrests inside the borders.

Quote:
INVASION USA

Citizen-built border fence gains steam

Activists solicit help from ranchers, donors, state lawmakers

April 26, 2006
WorldNetDaily.com

Taking matters into their own hands, some activists are working to build a fence along the nearly 2,000-mile U.S. southern border – with or without government participation.

Using the slogan "American Citizens Securing the Borders Themselves," The Border Fence Project hopes to raise enough money to build a fence along 90 percent of the U.S.-Mexico border that currently has no physical barrier.
www.borderfenceproject.com

According to the effort's website, the "fencing solution" will include the use of near-wholesale raw materials and use volunteer labor to build the structure.

Leaders from both parties in Washington have been reluctant to advocate a fence along the entire border, with some saying a "virtual fence" using high-tech surveillance equipment and drones can do the job of stemming illegal immigration.

States the Border Fence Project website: "Because Washington officials have consistently shown apprehension and outright consternation of the idea of a complete fence, it is unlikely they will ever cooperate, assuming the public continues to vote for special-interest candidates. Furthermore, most estimates show that because of the inefficiency of government labor and high markup on raw materials, the cost is likely to run $9 billion, only 23 percent of the Department of Homeland Security annual budget, but enough to receive grief from the open-borders lobby.

"We know we the civilian volunteers, in cooperation with Minuteman-like groups already on the border, can do the job for 1/400 of that cost!"

The organization, led by Jim Wood of Running Springs, Calif., believes an effective fence can be built for between $1.50 and $4 a foot. It would consist of a barbed-wire fence guarded by "solar motion lights with sirens, other motion sensors, electronic sensors that determine if the wire has been cut and a television-camera-unit for up to every quarter-mile of fencing depending on landscape," the site states.

Last week, Chris Simcox, leader of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, a civilian border patrol group, said if the government was not going to build a fence, volunteers would do so.
www.minutemanhq.com

''We're going to show the federal government how easy it is to build these security fences, how inexpensively they can be built when built by private people and free enterprise,'' Simcox told the Associated Press.

Meanwhile, an Arizona state lawmaker is proposing legislation to allow ranchers who lease state land along the border to build fencing on government property.

State Rep. Russell Pearce told KVOA-TV the bill is still being drafted.

"I'm interested in helping to do that," Pearce said. "We don't have authority over federal land but we do over state land."

Simcox, who hopes to begin the fence project May 25, says he is supportive of the proposed legislation.

Minuteman spokeswoman Connie Hair called the response to the fence proposal unbelievable – "people wanting to donate, to help build a fence, people wanting a fence on their land," according to AP.

Said Simcox on the Minuteman website: "We have chosen a fence design that is based on the Israeli fences in Gaza and on the West Bank that have cut terrorist attacks there by 95 percent or more. In order to be effective, a fence should not be easy to compromise by climbing over it with a ladder, cutting through it with wire cutters, ramming it with a vehicle, or tunneling under it undetected."

The design includes a double fence with a six-foot trench on both sides and surveillance cameras. Simcox says the fence would cost no more than $150 a foot.

Border-area ranchers have long been active in opposing illegal immigration, since the entrants often vandali

REAVERMAN

Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:02 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
F the Gangsta Govt, let's fix it ourselves. Build our own fence, and make 30-million citizens arrests inside the borders.

Good luck convincing folks PN. But wait! If the world is ruled by British-Commie-Nazi-Alien-Jews, won't they just brainwash everyone to not help you? Or couldn't they just tear down the wall when it's built, calling it an illegal structure or somesuch?

P.S: Why are you STILL not dead? If you're seeing "the truth" about the "Gangsta government", why haven't you disappeared to club Gitmo? If we really were ruled by these horrible fascist folks, wouldn't they have gotten rid of folks like you already? Just my thoughts.

P.S.S: a response to those questions would be nice. I've asked them before but you just ignored them.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

PIRATENEWS

Monday, May 1, 2006 12:24 PM (P)

Happy May Day, Satanic Beltane, and birthdate of the Bavarian Illuminati.

Quote:
May Day Immigration Protests Celebrate Communist Uprising

By Monisha Bansal
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
May 01, 2006

(CNSNews.com) - Monday, May Day, is International Worker's Day and the communist celebration of the Bolshevik Revolution. It is also a day when illegal immigrants plan to boycott work, school and shopping in an effort to show the contribution of undocumented aliens to the U.S. economy.

Protesters will march in Chicago, New York and Los Angeles to urge Congress not to support a bill introduced by U.S. Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.), which would make it a felony to illegally enter the U.S. or facilitate the illegal entry of someone else.

Calling it "a day without an immigrant," boycott organizers chose Monday because of its socialist and communist roots, according to Lee Siu Hin of Immigrant Solidarity Network. "We're linking workers' rights and immigrant rights. That should be very clear," Lee told Cybercast News Service.

The socialist anti-war group Act Now to Stop War and End Racism (International A.N.S.W.E.R) was one of the organizers of the April 10 protests that drew hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants. The group is also organizing Monday's boycott.

"It is a show of political and economic force against the way immigrants are being treated and attacked in the U.S. It is meant to show the qualitative impact of immigrants in the U.S. by their absence, their absence in the labor they produce in this country and by the wealth they produce," Carlos Alvarez, spokesman for International A.N.S.W.E.R. told Cybercast News Service.

"Immigrants contribute billions to the economy and receive few benefits in return. We will settle for nothing less than full amnesty and dignity for the millions of undocumented workers presently in the United States," International A.N.S.W.E.R.'s website states.

Alvarez noted that while May Day is mostly associated with the Bolshevik Revolution, the group is stressing International Worker's Day.

International A.N.S.W.E.R. was founded by Ramsey Clark, the man who served as U.S. attorney general during the administration of President Lyndon Johnson and is currently one of the lawyers representing deposed Iraqi president Saddam Hussein.

Despite the fact that May Day protests started in the U.S. in 1886 when the Federation of Organized Trade and Labor Unions demanded an eight hour work day, every country but the United States and Canada celebrates the holiday with protests.

On May Day 2000, London police arrested 195 "anti-capitalist protesters," according to the BBC, for rioting and violence that led to the destruction of a McDonald's restaurant.

But its ties go back to communist Russia. The Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP) is endorsing Monday's boycott.

In 1917, Bolshevik communists led by Vladimir Lenin overthrew the Russian government, leading eventually the formation of the Soviet Union in 1922. While the Bolshevik Revolution was in October, the RCP celebrates it on May 1.

The RCP is calling Monday "Revolution #45."

"On May 1, we celebrate our achievements in this world-historic struggle and especially the first great milestones on that path: the October Revolution of 1917, where the proletariat for the first time seized and held power for nearly 40 years in what became the Soviet Union; and the Chinese Revolution, and especially the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution," the RCP website states.

John Keeley, communications director for the Center for Immigration Studies, said Monday's protests will further alienate people who are legal residents of the U.S. Those legal residents, he said, "simply want kids to go to school Monday and workers to show up for work."

"If I were trying to illicit broad sympathies of the very fair minded American public, this would be that last day I would have selected. Any day but Monday," Keeley told Cybercast News Service. Keeley also criticized what he called the "explicit communist agendas and sym

REAVERMAN

Monday, May 1, 2006 12:41 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverman:

P.S: Why are you STILL not dead? If you're seeing "the truth" about the "Gangsta government", why haven't you disappeared to club Gitmo? If we really were ruled by these horrible fascist folks, wouldn't they have gotten rid of folks like you already? Just my thoughts.

P.S.S: a response to those questions would be nice. I've asked them before but you just ignored them.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

C'mon, PN, you still trying to ignore me? Is it because you don't have an answer?

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

PIRATENEWS

Monday, May 1, 2006 12:59 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverman:

P.S.S: a response to those questions would be nice. I've asked them before but you just ignored them.

C'mon, PN, you still trying to ignore me? Is it because you don't have an answer?

Eat me, Reaverman.

Jabber jabber jabber. I ain't listenin'.
-Mal, The Message

FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/8912.php

REAVERMAN

Monday, May 1, 2006 1:09 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Eat me, Reaverman.

Per-maybe-haps I might, but you still failed to answer the question.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

SASSALICIOUS

Monday, May 1, 2006 2:00 PM (P)

Quote:
I wonder why the TeeVee news forgot to mention that over 10,000 employees of US Dept of Homeland Security's Transportation Security Administration are illegal aliens, working as airport screeners, to strip search every US citizen traveling by airliner? Those 10,000 illegal aliens were suing US Govt in class action to keep their jobs, with no attempt to arrest them and deport them. The illegal alien security screeners mainly worked in the airports allegedly involved in the 9/11 attacks...

Where's the data on that? And don't quote your own website to me. I travel extensively and I've yet to experience these so-called illegal aliens. Most screeners I've seen have been white or African American. Furthermore, we're not strip searched. Maybe the occasional person returning from say, Colombia, but in general it doesn't happen. Wasn't the U.S. Department of Homeland Security a response to 9/11, so how could 10,000 illegal aliens work for the department before 9/11?

When and if you respond, keep the gun chatter to a minimum. I don't give a rat's ass about your weaponry knowledge or the guns you and your wife are trained to use. Really, I don't. Nor do I care which direction you think they should be pointed on the U.S. Mexico border.

Not seeing how half of this thread's content actually applies to Illegal Immigration

OLDENGLANDDRY

Monday, May 1, 2006 3:53 PM (P)

I have a cunning plan as to how we might be able to infiltrate this "Border fence" thingy.

I'm going to plant large metalic hinged devices at stretegic points.
I will call them "Gates"

It might just work.

REAVERMAN

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 12:47 AM (P)

Huh, that figures. PN just ignores me when I ask a question that he can't answer. If you're reading this PN, you should know that all you are doing by avoiding the question is destroying your already questionable (at best) credibility.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

CITIZEN

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 1:13 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by OldEnglandDry:
I will call them "Gates"

Is this named after the originator of the idea, Bill Gates?

Well hell, M$ has stolen everything else ever made, might as well get used to it.

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverman:
If you're reading this PN, you should know that all you are doing by avoiding the question is destroying your already questionable (at best) credibility.

PN has credibility? Are you sure?

Are we talking about the same guy here?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

REAVERMAN

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 1:35 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
PN has credibility? Are you sure?

Are we talking about the same guy here?

He has credibility to Piratejenny and Jonus. As for everyone else? Err... not so much.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

RIVER6213

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 1:41 AM (P)

I should be the last person here to have any kind of opinion on anyone, but PirateNews scares me. He scares me because after reading all of his alarmists stuff, and looking at all the photos he posts, I actually believe that HE believes all that he says, and worse, he feels very strongly about all of it.

I 1st thought that PirateNews was Xerogravity, but I was wrong about that. Xerogravity at least made sense.

I'm still stuck in traffic and the sea of humanity still flows past me in strength. This is getting on my nerves because I am also out of coffee....the humanity!

River

REAVERMAN

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 2:13 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:

I'm still stuck in traffic and the sea of humanity still flows past me in strength. This is getting on my nerves because I am also out of coffee....the humanity!

River

Oh, God! Not the coffee

! *Shouts into radio* GET THE WOMAN SOME COFFEE ASAP!!!... I dont care if you cant get through the traffic!!! Airlift her gorram coffee if you have to!

*turns to River* Don't worry, your coffee is on the way! I repeat, it is on the way! DON'T PANIC!!!

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

RIVER6213

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 2:35 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverman:
Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:

I'm still stuck in traffic and the sea of humanity still flows past me in strength. This is getting on my nerves because I am also out of coffee....the humanity!

River

Oh, God! Not the coffee ! *Shouts into radio* GET THE WOMAN SOME COFFEE ASAP!!!... I dont care if you cant get through the traffic!!! Airlift her gorram coffee if you have to!

*turns to River* Don't worry, your coffee is on the way! I repeat, it is on the way! DON'T PANIC!!!

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

LOL!

OLDENGLANDDRY

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 9:10 PM (P)

Hmmm, I had'nt thought of Gates'ey getting in on the act. I will have to change the name to "Perambulatory Portals", that should do it.

CITIZEN

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 9:19 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Hmmm, I had'nt thought of Gates'ey getting in on the act. I will have to change the name to "Perambulatory Portals", that should do it.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

OLDENGLANDDRY

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 9:20 PM (P)

The scariest things about PN are:

1. He actually DOES believe the things he posts.

2. He's not the only looney out there with the same opinions.

3. He has a platform (his website, this one and the unknown numbers of others that he undoubted tries to hijack) through which to spread his vitriol into the public domain.

There is no point in trying to discuss/argue with him as he never, EVER answers any questions or oposing points put to him (except to issue insults and death-threats), which leaves us ,or me at any rate, with no option but to ridicule him into oblivion.
A task which I am only too happy to undertake.

OLDENGLANDDRY

Tuesday, May 2, 2006 9:22 PM (P)

Damned Summerians.
They've got a lot to answer for.

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, May 3, 2006 1:27 AM (P)

Quote:
Sassalicious wrote:

Quote:
Originally posted by PirateNews:

I wonder why the TeeVee news forgot to mention that over 10,000 employees of US Dept of Homeland Security's Transportation Security Administration are illegal aliens, working as airport screeners, to strip search every US citizen traveling by airliner? Those 10,000 illegal aliens were suing US Govt in class action to keep their jobs, with no attempt to arrest them and deport them. The illegal alien security screeners mainly worked in the airports allegedly involved in the 9/11 attacks...

Where's the data on that? And don't quote your own website to me. I travel extensively and I've yet to experience these so-called illegal aliens. Most screeners I've seen have been white or African American. Furthermore, we're not strip searched. Maybe the occasional person returning from say, Colombia, but in general it doesn't happen. Wasn't the U.S. Department of Homeland Security a response to 9/11, so how could 10,000 illegal aliens work for the department before 9/11?

Now you want me to do your own homework? Are you of those slackers who always cheated in school? Here's a conspiracy theory for you - it's called Google. Use it, if you can figure out which buttons to push.

Airports now routinely require removal of shoes, coats, ties, belts, shirts. Then you get wand-raped or felt-up. It's called slavery.

Quote:
Meet the fuckers? Not on Southwest Airlines

By Michael Hampton
US Dept of Homeland Stupidity
October 6, 2005

Lorrie Heasley, of Portland, Ore., was thrown off a Southwest Airlines flight in Reno when she refused to cover or remove the shirt she was wearing.

Heasley was wearing a shirt which says “Meet the Fuckers” surrounded by pictures of President George W. Bush, Vice-President Dick Cheney, Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff and former FEMA head Michael Brown.

www.ioerror.us/2005/10/06/meet-the-fuckers-not-on-southwest-airlines/
www.cafepress.com/shop/politics/browse/store/rnastore.30735980

I was strip searched today, walking into a court house dungeon torture chamber, to pick up the judge's dismissal of the copsters' and prosecutors' 5mph traffic ticket against me, with costs paid by the State. Removing my belt constitutes a strip search of my person.

Quote:

New airport scans could expose travelers
Screeners could get x-ray vision

CNN
June 26, 2003

It does basically make you look fat and naked, but you see all this stuff.
-Susan Hallowell, Transportation Security Administration

EGG HARBOR TOWNSHIP, New Jersey (AP) -- A scanner the government is testing for airport screening reveals too much more than meets the eye to be comfortable for most passengers.

www.infowars.com/print/ps/xray_screeners.htm

Bush perped the hijackings on 9/11, according to RICO Act litigation from the 9/11 victims and survivors filed in federal courts, and has has a long arrest record and convictions for drunk driving and cocaine possession, but never gets strip searched (except by Jeff Gannon), because the Gangstas hijacked Gangsta Govt.
www.september911surprise.com

So you "travel extensively"? Then riddle me this - why do US airports in Tennessee, Texas and Lousiana post gate signs in Communist Chinese?

10,000 airport screeners and security personnel sued US Dept of Homeland Security that tried to fire them for being illegal aliens. Even the director and top cops in US Dept of Homeland Security are Communist aliens and citizens of foreign nations (Israeli citizen Michael Chertoff and KGB General Primakov).

www.weholdthesetruths.org

This week, Jr Bush signed a deal to sell billions of dollars worth of US military factories to the accused terrorist nation of Duabai, to go with its purchase of 21 US ports. Not counting the US ports alr

HARDWARE

Wednesday, May 3, 2006 3:09 AM (P)

It's like some insane plot to make every thread in RWED too long and convoluted to read. Plus, he quotes his previous posts in his new posts. Sometimes more than once!

It's a plot I tell you, a plot!

Oh, and that post showing the picture of a helicopter being blown up by a "120mm DU round" fired by a tank gun is actually a picture of a air to air missile test. The missile contrail is clearly visible crossing from the right to the left below the helicopter. The missile explosion is immediately below the helicopter cabin and the helicopter is fireballing in a secondary explosion.

Tanks don't fire at helicopters, primarily due to the fact that a tank's main gun won't elevate high enough and traverse fast enough to have a prayer of engaging. A hit on one would be a miracle shot if one took a shot at a long enough range to get an angle on a shot.

Back to life, back to reality.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

SASSALICIOUS

Wednesday, May 3, 2006 4:42 AM (P)

Wow. I've never once stooped to personally insulting anyone on this forum and yet you just did it to me without any just cause.

Clearly our definitions of "strip search" are vastly different.

Furthermore, in a discussion it is not my job to research every nitpicky point the other individual makes. I was merely making an observation about my personal experiences.

And how dare you insult my intelligence, especially for the simple reason that I refused to google information about airport strip searching.

You may also be as smart as you've claimed in other posts, but I know I'm a better person than you.

I'm done.

FALLENANGEL

Wednesday, May 3, 2006 6:21 AM (P)

No words can describe how I feel right now after reading this post. This illegal immingration thing hits close to home to me because both my parents came into the U.S. from Mexico around my age. They saw that their lives weren't gonna get better ( both were born into poverty) and knew that the U.S. was the place to be to have a better life. It just hurts me to know that there are people out there saying that Illegal immingrants shouldn't come here. It's like saying that my parents don't deserve to be here, that I shouldn't be here. It just hurts and saddens me to know that there aren't so many people with a bit a sympathy towards Humanity.

p.s. A little history trivia for ya. 6 states of the U.S. BELONGED to Mexico you might know them as California, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, and Utah were all part of Mexico until they were STOLEN. So this counrty is a part us.

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People don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome.

OLDENGLANDDRY

Wednesday, May 3, 2006 7:26 AM (P)

Communist Aliens?

I suppose you must mean the Martians since there planet is Red.

But they're little and green so does that make them Eco-Commie- Aliens?

CITIZEN

Wednesday, May 3, 2006 10:55 AM (P)

Could be worse. They could be Alien-Commies!

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

AMITON

Wednesday, May 3, 2006 2:32 PM (P)

Quote:

No words can describe how I feel right now after reading this post. This illegal immingration thing hits close to home to me because both my parents came into the U.S. from Mexico around my age. They saw that their lives weren't gonna get better ( both were born into poverty) and knew that the U.S. was the place to be to have a better life. It just hurts me to know that there are people out there saying that Illegal immingrants shouldn't come here. It's like saying that my parents don't deserve to be here, that I shouldn't be here. It just hurts and saddens me to know that there aren't so many people with a bit a sympathy towards Humanity.

p.s. A little history trivia for ya. 6 states of the U.S. BELONGED to Mexico you might know them as California, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, and Utah were all part of Mexico until they were STOLEN. So this counrty is a part us.

I'm going to try to not get angry about this, but I'm not going to make promises. But why, if your parents decided to enter the country in direct and intentional violation of the immigration laws of the country that they want so much to be a part of, do your parents *deserve* to be here? Where does the sense of entitlement come from? Or should we just forego law and do as we please? Unfortunately, especially since I presume that you've never known anything else, if your parents are in the US illegally and you were born as a child to citizens of a foreign nation, I don't understand in a legal entitlement kind of way *you* deserve to be in the US under illegal conditions?

I'm not trying to be mean, seriously, I'm not, but why is it okay for people to just decide that they are better than everyone else? Why is it fair that people enter the US illegally when others spend years and thousands of dollars to follow the procedure to enter legally. Are those people just fools? Do they deserve to be "taken advantage" of because they want to do things properly, thereby creating a "fool-and-his-money" type of scenario?

And since I'm apparently being a jerk right now, I might as well jump on the Southwestern states thing, too. The Mexican-American War granted those lands to the US. I'll notice that you didn't list Texas in that group. Why? Because Texas, a Mexican province, revolted and became an independent country. Only after that did the Republic of Texas annex to the US.

Unfortunately, that and westward settler expansion seriously upset US-Mexican relations. Interesting parallel, I guess, since US citizens were moving into territory owned by Mexico at the time. But for *whatever* reason (well, mostly the reasons above as I understand it), those tensions bubbled over and caused a war. The outcome of that war was that Mexico *gave* that land to the US in the terms of their surrender.

Especially considering that Empire Building was a primary worldwide foreign policy at the time (hence all of the English, and Spanish, and Dutch, and Portuguese over in the Western Hemisphere in the first place), I hardly can accept that that can remotely be called "stealing" land.

I think I'm going to hush for a while now. I'm starting to get upset and I said that I would try not to. I suspect that pressing on is going to result in me saying things that are ugly without the purpose of furthering discussion, just for the sake of being ugly. That's not going to help anything...

Amiton.

LEV

Thursday, May 4, 2006 3:42 AM (P)

Quote:
p.s. A little history trivia for ya. 6 states of the U.S. BELONGED to Mexico you might know them as California, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, and Utah were all part of Mexico until they were STOLEN. So this counrty is a part us.

Attitudes like that make me weary of paying for all this crap, when illegal immigrants don't even appreciate it

. Guess what? You are on OUR LAND. We don't care if it was yours 120+ years ago, you lost parts of it in a war and parts in negotiations, get over it.

I encourage everyone to see this: http://media.putfile.com/AztlanRising

FALLENANGEL

Thursday, May 4, 2006 4:10 AM (P)

Boy, do I hate people.

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People don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome.

KHYRON

Thursday, May 4, 2006 4:50 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Amiton:
I think I'm going to hush for a while now.

I hope you don't, you argue your points very well and are currently speaking for a lot of people, myself included.

It's weird how divided people are on this issue; it doesn't seem to be going down the usual liberal/conservative line. A lot of liberals support illegal immigrants, a lot of them don't because they disagree with the practice of illegal immigration in general (no matter how nice and hard-working the illegal immigrant next door may be).

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

AMITON

Thursday, May 4, 2006 9:38 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:
Quote:

Originally posted by Amiton:
I think I'm going to hush for a while now.

I hope you don't, you argue your points very well and are currently speaking for a lot of people, myself included.

It's weird how divided people are on this issue; it doesn't seem to be going down the usual liberal/conservative line. A lot of liberals support illegal immigrants, a lot of them don't because they disagree with the practice of illegal immigration in general (no matter how nice and hard-working the illegal immigrant next door may be).

Thanks for the encouragement, Khyron. I do appreciate it, but at the same time this is a serious push-button topic. Even things that are not said out of anger and animosity can hurt people. I imagine that FallenAngel was probably less than happy with what I had to say, and it probably hurt her feelings to have that said, especially directly to her. I don't particularly like being that kind of person. Unfortunately for me, I guess, I ended up having fairly passionate views about this topic and after so long I feel compelled to make my voice be heard. When those times arise, though, I do my best to behave myself and stay on topic and be clear and fair with what I have to say.

At the same time, I hate to see posts like Lev's, not necessarily because they're wrong or that they're not entitled to have that opinion, but because it comes across in such a hostile, hateful way, especially on message boards. Especially in direct agression toward another browncoat. That sucks. I like it in here, and except for a few minor squabbles here and there (most notably here in the RW forums, where it's a little more expected) people try to conform to the nice idyllic utopia we try to tell ourselves can happen in the real world if we just try hard enough.

There's good and there's bad, I suppose, I just don't like it when I feel like I'm contributing to the ugly...

Amiton.

STILLFLYIN

Friday, May 5, 2006 1:20 AM (P)

I'll toss my opinion in to the mix. I have no problems with people coming to this county, LEGALLY. The problem that I have is that those who have come to America illegaly are demanding that they not be prosecuted for commiting federal offences and even being given amnesty. I realize America is a nation of immigrants, but a nation can not be built on the premise that simply because a group is loud they should be given their way. The illegal immigrant community is making loud protests claiming that they are America. This assertion discounts the contributions of others. My ancestors came to this county in the 1600s on the second ship bound from England, they fought in the Amarican Revolution, the Civil War, World War Two, Korea and Vietnam, all the branches of my family came to this country leagally and became productive members of the American Culture. A second area of contention that I have against many illegal immigrants is their resistance to the natural process of assimilation that all other immigrant groups have gone through. Throughout American history when an immigrant came to this county, he or she was expected to learn English and exist within American culture. Now many illegal immigrants are demanding that they not only be given amnesty but the right to exist almost as a seperate country from the US. I believe that the US should take the dual actions of tightening immigration enforcement and declaring English the National Language.

MERCHANTMARINE1

Monday, May 8, 2006 6:36 PM (P)

I understand everyones thoughts, and I agree, I do not see how thousands can take to the streets and demand rights when their presence is illegal to begin with. I was even more outraged when a CNN special interviewed illegal immigrants in this country in Georgia. How a family using a tourist visa to see Disneyland decided to remain and go into hiding. Yes the father works 16 hour days, but what is more troubling.. his kids are going to school, his son graduated from high school in Georgia and now attends college.. because of his grades he receives scholarships.. I wonder how many legal citizens were knocked out of eligibility because of his approval for such scholarships.. and these are tax payer funded. Saddly, the school system does not see it as a crime. I wonder since I have friends as educators, and they agree, allowing illegal children into our education system brings down the academic bar, more time focusing in english and other academics since the Mexican education if it really exsists does not compare. How many of our children are left out or pushed out. Is there a link between the lower SAT scores and High School graduate apptitude tests?

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, May 9, 2006 1:53 PM (P)

Here's an awesome radio broadcast. If CNN, Faux, MSNBCGE, CBS, ABC were American corporations, this is what they would sound like.

Quote:
Audio:Another Pro-American Anti-Immigration vs Anarchist Rally Out In The Streets

by AZ Radio IMC Sunday, May. 07, 2006

53:55 min Audio out in the streets in front of Phoenix Az Mexican Consulate office.This is second by about 200 red white & blue Pro-American,American-First group,confronted by about dozen local Anarchist group.

audio: MP3 at 6.2Mb
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/05/9694.php

Battle of the Bullhorns:
"Only terrorists and criminals wear masks! And cowards! Patriotic Americans don't wear masks!"

Communist Red Star

Note that "anarchists" are employed by police "intelligence" agencies and military special forces as agents provocateurs, as confessed in Seattle during the WTO "riots" and Police State martial law, and jailing of innocent people in the US Navy brig. Just like US Navy Intel's "Commie Russia spy" Lee "Fair Play for Cuba" Oswald.

"You can't stop the signal!"
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MERCHANTMARINE1

Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:06 PM (P)

I don't see conspiracies, the fact is we have a serious problem. thousands have taken to streets and protest, tried to shut down major cities, force the closure of stores, restaurants and factories for THEIR advancement. I watched the CNN show, how can anyone consider allowing anyone into this country many lied their way in, like the tourist visa family. Its your taxes people of Georgia, and many other impacted areas of the U.S. Now.. listen to the problems of the volunteer minutemen organization. They have been threatend, attacked and approached by illegals with machetes, rocks and assault rifles, border patrol vehicles have been pelted with rocks and the agents (border patrol) have been threatend including their families. Border problem? I think it can be upgraded from a problem to a clear and present danger. I just hope that no innocent citizens in the minuteman organization are killed or wounded by illegals in their entry attempts.

PIRATENEWS

Saturday, July 8, 2006 4:02 AM (P)

Quote:

Central Texas woman run off road, raped, stabbed, left for dead by illegal aliens

Associated Press
June 30, 2006

GROESBECK, Texas — A Central Texas woman was recuperating at a Temple hospital after she reported being run off a rural road, kidnapped and then raped and beaten by her abductors, authorities said.

The 18-year-old woman was in stable condition Thursday following surgery. She had walked and crawled a half-mile to find help after her abductors left her for dead along a highway early Wednesday morning, authorities said.

"She spent more than two hours in hell," Limestone County Sheriff Dennis Wilson said.

Wilson said Javier Guzman Martinez, 17, and Noel Darwin Hernandez, 22, both of Mexia, had been arrested for the crime and were charged Thursday with aggravated assault and aggravated kidnapping.

The suspects began following the woman late Tuesday night as she left Mexia, about 40 miles east of Waco, where she was visiting friends, authorities said. The suspects did not know the woman.

The woman told investigators she was driving at about 2:30 a.m. Wednesday on a state highway toward her home in a Limestone County town when a car rammed her sport utility vehicle and forced her off the road, Wilson said.

The woman told investigators that the men forced her into their car, and then drove around rural county roads while they sexually assaulted, stabbed and beat her, Wilson said.

The woman said the men left her about a mile south of Coolidge in a ditch, where she pretended to be dead until they left, Wilson said. She then found help at a nearby trailer.

Dena Lincoln said the woman, covered in blood, came to her trailer door at about 4:30 a.m.

"I will never, as long as I live, get that look that was on her face out of my mind," Lincoln said. "She kept saying, 'I'm going to die. I'm going to die.' I told her, 'No, honey, you are going to be all right. We are going to get you some help.'"

The woman was flown by helicopter to a Temple hospital with numerous cuts and stab wounds, including an injury that endangered one eye, Wilson said.

Wilson said investigators canvassed the area on Wednesday with the description of the suspects given by the women.

Martinez was being held in the Limestone County Jail while Hernandez was to be transferred to Limestone County from McLennan County, officials said. Wilson said both men are apparently in the United States illegally and will be held without bond on immigration charges. Hernandez is from Honduras, and Martinez is from Mexico, Wilson said.

www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/4014662.html

Now they will be jailed for 20 years in a private Wackenhut prison owned by Sir George Bush Sr Knight of the British Empire, at a cost to the US citizen taxpayers of $50,000/year each. That's a total cost of $2,000,000, plus inflation for a total cost of $6,000,000. And Bush Jr and GOP Congress wants amnesty for 40-million criminal alien bioweapons, and wants to invite 200-million more criminals in 10 years, and wants to merge USA with Communist Mexico via NAFTA and the North American Union.

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REAVERMAN

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:17 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by FallenAngel:
p.s. A little history trivia for ya. 6 states of the U.S. BELONGED to Mexico you might know them as California, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, and Utah were all part of Mexico until they were STOLEN. So this counrty is a part us.

So what? That was almost 160 years ago. Get over it. What matters is the current situation, not long dead national ties.

P.S. You forgot Texas.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

REAVERMAN

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:20 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:

Central Texas woman run off road, raped, stabbed, left for dead by illegal aliens

Associated Press
June 30, 2006

GROESBECK, Texas — A Central Texas woman was recuperating at a Temple hospital after she reported being run off a rural road, kidnapped and then raped and beaten by her abductors, authorities said.

The 18-year-old woman was in stable condition Thursday following surgery. She had walked and crawled a half-mile to find help after her abductors left her for dead along a highway early Wednesday morning, authorities said.

"She spent more than two hours in hell," Limestone County Sheriff Dennis Wilson said.

Wilson said Javier Guzman Martinez, 17, and Noel Darwin Hernandez, 22, both of Mexia, had been arrested for the crime and were charged Thursday with aggravated assault and aggravated kidnapping.

The suspects began following the woman late Tuesday night as she left Mexia, about 40 miles east of Waco, where she was visiting friends, authorities said. The suspects did not know the woman.

The woman told investigators she was driving at about 2:30 a.m. Wednesday on a state highway toward her home in a Limestone County town when a car rammed her sport utility vehicle and forced her off the road, Wilson said.

The woman told investigators that the men forced her into their car, and then drove around rural county roads while they sexually assaulted, stabbed and beat her, Wilson said.

The woman said the men left her about a mile south of Coolidge in a ditch, where she pretended to be dead until they left, Wilson said. She then found help at a nearby trailer.

Dena Lincoln said the woman, covered in blood, came to her trailer door at about 4:30 a.m.

"I will never, as long as I live, get that look that was on her face out of my mind," Lincoln said. "She kept saying, 'I'm going to die. I'm going to die.' I told her, 'No, honey, you are going to be all right. We are going to get you some help.'"

The woman was flown by helicopter to a Temple hospital with numerous cuts and stab wounds, including an injury that endangered one eye, Wilson said.

Wilson said investigators canvassed the area on Wednesday with the description of the suspects given by the women.

Martinez was being held in the Limestone County Jail while Hernandez was to be transferred to Limestone County from McLennan County, officials said. Wilson said both men are apparently in the United States illegally and will be held without bond on immigration charges. Hernandez is from Honduras, and Martinez is from Mexico, Wilson said.

www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/4014662.html

Now they will be jailed for 20 years in a private Wackenhut prison owned by Sir George Bush Sr Knight of the British Empire, at a cost to the US citizen taxpayers of $50,000/year each. That's a total cost of $2,000,000, plus inflation for a total cost of $6,000,000. And Bush Jr and GOP Congress wants amnesty for 40-million criminal alien bioweapons, and wants to invite 200-million more criminals in 10 years, and wants to merge USA with Communist Mexico via NAFTA and the North American Union.

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PN, do you ever get tired of sounding like a paranoid jackass? Here's a helpful tip: TONE DOWN YOUR RHETORIC!!! All it does is drive people away from your message.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:46 PM (P)

Fallen- All of to Americas "originally" belonged to the natives. Are you going to give it back?

I didn't think so.

Coming from Eastern Europe, I'm used to this kind of argument. At one time or another everyone's nation was "bigger". If we laid out all of the claimed territory side by side, Europe would have to be ten times bigger!

Having started this thread in an equivocal state of mind I've finally come down against illegal immigration. I worked thru all the arguments

-illegal immigration being the natural consequence of us interfering with our neighbors' national aspirations (BTW- since we screwed over Niacaragua their greatest export has been illegal immigrants. Funny how that works)

- the negative effects on the middle class coming from immigrant's "invisible" status (If they could organize they would get better wages)

- Capital flows freely but people don't

-Illegal immigrants are a boost to the economy because they're willing to get more screwed over, and they contribute to a tax base that they can't take advantage of

All of that is true. But I don't particularly WANT second-class workers in the USA. Since I WORK for a living (like most people) I'm not so stupid as to think that I'm going to sit like a pasha in the middle class while people are willing to work for less. And there is one very real disadvantage that illegal immigrants face that will forever keep them in second class status: lack of political representation. Illegals have no voice in the laws of this land and that is no small thing, because it is EXACTLY that lack of voice (USA propping up generalissimos) that caused THEIR nations to become hellholes in the first place.

And BTW- citizens should take that lesson as a warning. The farther away our elected representatives drift way from representing us and the closer theydrift towards represnting the wealthy the more our nation will look like our south of the border bretheren.

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

RUE

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:58 PM (P)

Quote:
The farther away our elected representatives drift away from representing us and the closer they drift towards representing the wealthy the more our nation will look like our south of the border bretheren.

Isn't that what the corporations want?

Countries scrambling over factories, sub-contractors scrambling over outsourcing, workers scrambling over service jobs. The world as one big Roman arena - the war of all against all. In an arena built by and for the emperors.

Yes, that's what we need more of. Crony government aiding crony capitalism. Because after all, the better the corporations do, the better we all do - right?

REAVERMAN

Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:02 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
And BTW- citizens should take that lesson as a warning. The farther away our elected representatives drift way from representing us and the closer theydrift towards represnting the wealthy the more our nation will look like our south of the border bretheren.

That is entirely too true.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

KANEMAN

Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:47 PM (P)

Thread renamed....Illegal Aliens
" A nation without borders, language, and culture...can't survive.

PIRATENEWS

Thursday, July 13, 2006 12:01 PM (P)

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Oh yeah, darn those illegal aliens and the criminals who let them in.

THESE ARE THE SENATORS WHO VOTED TO GIVE ILLEGAL ALIENS SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS. REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL PARTY, THESE POLITICIANS NEED TO BE DEFEATED:
http://rense.com/general72/AALA.HTM

"Those dumb Republicans will love our new US flag."

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CANTTAKESKY

Thursday, July 13, 2006 5:20 PM (P)

First, heartfelt thanks to Phaedra, Milagro, Jonus, Chrisisall, and anyone else who posted rational defenses on behalf of immigrants, illegal or not. I appreciate knowing you guys are out there.

Quote:
Posted by Khyron:
Legal: One has waited in line to be allowed into the foreign country. If one is allowed in, it means one has got the necessary credentials to be of aid to that foreign country in some way.

Illegal: One skipped the queue and snuck in without waiting like all those nice people ...

See, your argument sounds sensible. But immigration laws are not so simple.

My parents and sibling used to be illegal immigrants for many years. Now they are citizens or hold a green card. They pay taxes, contribute to the country, obey all laws, and are all around good Americans. They only entered the country illegal way back when because they were NOT ALLOWED TO ENTER THE COUNTRY LEGALLY, even though they would have made skillful contributions to the country.

I am living in Peru right now. I employ a nanny who is just wonderful with my children. I can find a competent American nanny at home, but I don't think I could find one who has such a special relationship with my kids. I would love to bring her to the States, but she doesn't have the "credentials" to enter with a H-1 visa. To me, she has more skill than a PhD child psychologist, but CIS does not recognize her skill without a diploma. So, here is gifted child caretaker who could contribute to our society (she aspires to be a preschool teacher and would make a fabulous one), but who cannot enter the country legally.

I hear so many people on this thread say, they are not against immigration, only against illegal immigration. They are only illegal because we defined them as illegal. They are only illegal because they had no way of entering legally. It is not a matter of simply waiting in line, as Khyron suggests. They were not allowed to even wait in line.

They are the same people whether we define them as illegal or not, people that we know as neighbors and friends and competent colleagues.

Having said that, can we afford to allow everyone who wants to come into the country? Obviously not without significant changes. We can't afford free schooling and welfare for everyone in the world.

To have a more open immigration policy means we have to close more public services. Anyone who wants to come to America can be welcome, but once here, they have to learn English and fend for themselves. But that is how we started in this country. America is a technological and economic superpower today partly because of the contributions of immigrants entering under our open immigration policy. Maybe that is where we ought to return.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

NATILI

Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:11 AM (P)

A controversial Alabama immigration law has just been approved by the state's governor. The law is intended to curb illegal immigration into the state, and uses similar techniques to the controversial law passed by Arizona last year. Here is the proof: Controversy" target="_BLANK">http://www.newsytype.com/7468-alabama-immigration-law/">Controversy erupts over Alabama immigration law, newstype.com

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, January 28, 2016 8:50 PM (P)

The muslim riots in France, Sweden, Germany has added a new dimension to this topic

Canada will be stupid to accept thousands of unvetted 'refugees'

SIGNYM

Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:45 PM (P)

Yanno, it's funny, I appreciate the necro-posting, I really do. It helps me keep track of how my position has changed, and also reassures me that - despite THUGR's and G's and KPO's constant provocations and name-calling, I am in fact NOT a "commie troll" and in general post well-reasoned, thoughtful opinions about a wide variety of topics which hold up to re-inspection, even after several years.

It also helps assure others that when I say I've been for or against something for a long time and have posted on it multiple times... well, the evidence is there.

My thinking on the topic of illegal immigration has actually hardened since. The idea that we make life an absolute clusterfuck in some weaker nation, and then toss a few crumbs of not-so benign neglect to the escapees because we want to think of ourselves as "nice people" who want to "help" is absurd beyond belief. All of the protestations of "R2P" notwithstanding.

So, as I've stated in many posts since this, the United States (and, I would say the EU too, at this point) can solve its FUTURE immigrant problems by

(1) Not destroying or destabilizing other nations willy-nilly
(2) Not roping them into "free trade agreements" that cause misery on BOTH sides, and only benefit the very top internationalists
(3) Ditto lending poor nations money, with "austerity" requirements for payback
(4) Engaging in beneficial mutual trade.
(5) Tariff nations which fail to meet developmental requirements, such as percentage of females being literate or freedom from corruption.
(6) If nations really want to help- HELP. Help build schools or dig wells. Help educate girls (specifically). Do something positive. You can't build nations with guns and bombs, you can only destroy stuff, and that rarely improves a situation.

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But, here we are: the USA and the EU has screwed the Mideast and African pooch pretty thoroughly. Nations from Pakistan to Morocco to Sudan are enflamed in jihadism and corruption.

The USA (over centuries) has warped Central and South American development into something unrecognizable.

So now there are millions of people desperate to escape wherever they are. If we were to miraculously end our destructive, exploitative ways TODAY (haha. But a girl can dream, can't she?) there would still be all that historical karma to overcome.

So, what to do?

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For the USA, I would propose the following: something to give everyone, and something to offend everyone. A package deal, all or nothing:

1) End immigration now. There was NO legal immigration during JFK's Presidency, did you know that?
2) Amend the Constitution to end birthright citizenship. That would stop that problem of "divided families" and "anchor babies" and "birth tourism".
3) Amend the Constitution to make English the official language.
4) Give everyone who has been residing in the USA for the past 20 years a pathway to citizenship. They have 10 years to learn English. If they fail to make the grade, or commit serious criminal offenses, off they go!

ETA: and it goes without saying
5) Stop meddling in other nations! Withdraw our troops. Save their services for real self-defense!

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:16 PM (P)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Amend the Constitution to make English the official language.

I would also make Native American Indian languages official or First People language official, I think its long past time their language, spirituality, customs is helped grow again and was protected from cultural extinction

SIGNYM

Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:22 PM (P)

American Natives are officially other nations. The USA can't make English an official language on their soil. There are probably other better-suited remedies for the treatment that the First Nations received, and continue to receive, at the hands of the USA government. Looking at the "reservation" policies is enough to make me want to tear my hair out. But, yeah- recognition, respect, and recompense is due. But how do you recompense a genocide?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, February 19, 2016 10:28 PM (P)

Larry King he seems to be involved with Hulu and RT America Russian station.

Acclaimed and outspoken actor John Rhys Davies talks to Larry about his latest movie Return to the Hiding Place. Davies, an outspoken advocate for Christianity, criticizes the West’s response to what he calls a war on Christians in the Middle East and Africa.

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, March 4, 2016 3:47 AM (P)

I never thought I would see the day where a NATO General for Europe and North America, Pacific Forces leader, vet of the Gulf War, USAF vet of Cold War, Joint Powers Commander...would be warning the USA on illegal immigration

Philip Mark Breedlove

meanwhile
Europe self censors

Dutch Man at Protest arrested for wearing Pig Hat because it "May offend Muslims"

SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, March 9, 2016 1:02 PM (P)

I suggest starting from scratch, to a time before the Pilgrims landed, then let's see Donald and company talk about Making America Great Again........

The rest of us are all Illegal Immigrants.

Phuck it! Make every country responsible for their own. Let's see how long that'll last.

SGG

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
American Natives are officially other nations. The USA can't make English an official language on their soil. There are probably other better-suited remedies for the treatment that the First Nations received, and continue to receive, at the hands of the USA government. Looking at the "reservation" policies is enough to make me want to tear my hair out. But, yeah- recognition, respect, and recompense is due. But how do you recompense a genocide?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 9, 2016 5:30 PM (P)

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I suggest starting from scratch, to a time before the Pilgrims landed, then let's see Donald and company talk about Making America Great Again........

The rest of us are all Illegal Immigrants.

Exactly my point. Those poor Natives, especially the East coast ones ... they has a fairly open immigration policy, even gave the white folks turkey and such so they wouldn't starve, and look what happened to them!

All kidding aside, a nation should make its immigration policy on the basis of what suits THEM, not on the basis of what suits corporations, banks, and "others". If it hasn't created a problem elsewhere, then it's under no moral obligation to "help". And if we WANT to help, then let's HELP.

Studies have shown that a nation can reasonably acculturate about 1% foreign population. After that, ghettos and subcultures start to form.

On the other hand, it shouldn't make living hells out of other nations so that people have to emigrate. If you look at the current emigration crises, they're out of nations that the USA (and the EU) have either destroyed militarily: Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria. Sudan, Yemen, or economically: all of Central and South America.

The chickens of our multiple foreign "interventions" are coming home to roost.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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