Subtle yet interesting show observations -- post yours

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MILFORD

Friday, March 3, 2006 7:40 PM

One of my favorite observations has to do with Morena's portrayal of flirtation. Frankly, there are times when she seems quite sexual and times when she doesn't. When I had my impromptu marathon last weekend I finally figured out what the difference was: her blinks. When Inara is in regular gal mode, there's not a lot of difference to her interactions with people. But when she's in companion mode, she blinks quite slowly and deliberately. I don't know what it is about that, but it definitely pushes my button. If any of you guys are able to see her at a convention you might ask her about it. Don't know if it was on purpose or not, but it works either way.

Gosh how it works.

Hmm.

I'll be in my bunk.

Remember, that but for one trifling exception, the entire universe is made up of others.- Oliver Wendall Holmes

DARTHVIDER

Friday, March 3, 2006 7:56 PM

Hi all, new here.

I have an observation. Don't know if it's been posted or not though. Apologize if it's a repeat.

In "Trash", when Jayne and Kaylee are climbing on top of the ship to reprogram the garbage bin, you see Jayne trying to put the line card (or whatever it is) back in the slot. This is before he gets shocked and knocked out.

Anybody ever notice what's on the screen beside him? It's VERY noticable if you know what you're looking at. It's a Windows 2000 desktop. You can very clearly see the Start button, the Task bar (with programs running), the default icons on the left-hand side, even the bloody task tray. The biggest thing that caught my attention was the giant InstallShield window right in the middle of the screen, taking up three-quarters of it. It's clear enough that you can almost read "Next" and "Cancel" on the buttons.

Please don't tell me Microsoft is alive and well 500 years in the future!

MATTCOZ

Friday, March 3, 2006 8:06 PM

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Originally posted by darthvider:
Please don't tell me Microsoft is alive and well 500 years in the future!

After an unprecedented merger with Coca-Cola in the year 2272, they changed their name... to Blue Sun.

DARTHVIDER

Friday, March 3, 2006 8:27 PM

Oh right. Damnit!

MATTCOZ

Monday, March 6, 2006 3:00 AM

In "Trash" when the shuttle lands on the floating island, you can see an SR-71 Blackbird flying by in the background.

JYNNANTONNYX

Monday, March 6, 2006 8:35 AM

In regards to the scene at the end of the BDM with Inara and Mal, I would have to say Inara looks her most beautiful here. She's just so vulnerable when she looks at him yet still strong. And do you notice, they don't fight! It would have to be one of the only interactions when they don't. That scene gave me such girly grins, teehee

Also love watching Jayne in the backgrounds of scenes. Adam really did a great job of bringing Jayne to life. His obsession with smelling and touching everything entertains me to no end. And the sweet touches of him watching over Kaylee and braiding the whore's hair - so sweet

"It's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think."

DINKY

Monday, March 6, 2006 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by mattcoz:
In "Trash" when the shuttle lands on the floating island, you can see an SR-71 Blackbird flying by in the background.

WHAT!?

"Th3re !s n0 spo0Ne." -The Matricks

MATTCOZ

Monday, March 6, 2006 8:36 PM

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Originally posted by Dinky:
WHAT!?

I'll get a picture of it when I'm at home tonight. Anything else anyone would want me to get a picture of?

CAPERCAILLIE

Monday, March 6, 2006 9:59 PM

In War Stories, after Wash and Zoe have left the dining room, Mal and Jayne walk towards the food on the table. Jayne backhands Mal on his recently-tortured chest and keeps moving towards the food while Mal gasps in pain, but funny pain!

TAMSIBLING

Monday, March 6, 2006 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by IThas2Bme:
So subtle they didn't even mention it in the commentary...

The Message: Han Solo encased in carbonite quietly watching over Kaylee as she listens to the message on the ipod-thingy from the "dead" Tracey.

OH. MY. GOD.

I did not even catch that even though I've seen "The Message" a bunch of times! That is freakin' awesome!

I am a huge "Star Wars" buff, so I'm a little *chagrined* that I missed it! Thanks for pointing it out!

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DUTCHBOY

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 4:25 PM

I've seen this on some other sites, but it hasn't been mentioned in this thread so far, so:

In the BDM, when Simon and River are supposed to get off Serenity (on Bellerophon? I'm not sure), you can see Jayne getting off the boat.. wearing his orange wool cap.

I just thought that was so funny!

MATTCOZ

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 4:36 PM

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Originally posted by mattcoz:
I'll get a picture of it when I'm at home tonight. Anything else anyone would want me to get a picture of?

Or maybe I won't, for some reason my computer is having trouble reading the DVD.

J6NGO1977

Thursday, March 9, 2006 9:01 PM

Took me about 3 watches to notice that the dancing girl at the start of 'Train Job' slips a piece of paper into Mals hand. Before I noticed that I thought 'where did they get the job from?'

ASARIAN

Friday, March 10, 2006 8:42 PM

I was just thinking about River's highly quoted "No power in the 'verse can stop me." And I know a lot of folks take this to be cute, witty statement, in which River refers to what they tend to call her unstoppable, "kick-ass" abilities, along the line of Schwarzenegger's "I'll be back" bit or something. But, lest we forget, it was Kaylee who initially said it, when chasing River for an apple (and finally capturing it). And it was River, who, out of her friendship with Kaylee, uses that line on Kaylee after she popped those three bad guys.

From a River perspective (the one I usually take), it's actually really quite a touching moment. River, rather innocently naive about the whole situation, turns to Kaylee, with a sweet smile on her face, and playfully says it, to mean something like: "And see, this is what I can do." But really NOT in a boastful way. That was the beauty of the whole scene; she kinda ranks it with Kaylee taking that apple away from her. To River, it's all pretty much a game (Kaylee even refers to that in OiS).

I'm not even sure why I felt the need to post this here. I guess because I feel this line has been "de-subtelized" somehow; and I believe it deserves a short moment of my time to remember that the original meaning was much more beautiful and tender.

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

MATTCOZ

Friday, March 10, 2006 9:00 PM

That moment was both touching and terrifying. The bond between River and Kaylee is special, was tough to see Kaylee afraid of her, although that made it that much nicer to see them playing again at the end of OiS.

STUBBS

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:25 PM

just a small observation about Serenity, or more specifically the ending credits. I let them run through the other day after watching Serenity, and was amazed to hear that the very last tune played at the end of the credits is a reworked version of the Firefly theme (minus the words). I think its a great touch, and a very symbolic reminder of the reason why the film exists in the first place.

Stubbs

MATTCOZ

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:30 PM

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Originally posted by Stubbs:
the very last tune played at the end of the credits is a reworked version of the Firefly theme

I really like that version, anyone have a tab for it?

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:01 PM

This one follows on from SHAMBLEAU's post earlier. In the pilot, we see Mal losing all his faith as his friends are shot around him and he realises that help isn't coming. In the next scene, as Shambleau pointed out, he's drifting and weightless in space. But there's more than that. He's upside down. I've always seen that as a metaphore for how deeply he's changed. His entire world is now upside down, and he's the polar opposite of what he was before.

Something that's not my observation but that comes from the Shindig commentary. The costume designer mentioned that the leather string Zoe always wears around her neck is a symbol of her marraige bond to Wash. Such a subtle touch, and somehow much deeper than if she'd worn a ring - which in the rougher places she always ends up would be a target for thieves.

One last one, something I know others must have noticed. Inara is angry at Mal when he "hides" in her shuttle to get away from Saffron, but did anyone else notice how she snapped completely when he started talking about children? Even though she mentioned it first, it seems to send her over the edge. I don't know why, but that little exchange alone is enough to convince me that either she had a child she was forced to give up, or she can't have children at all.

MATTCOZ

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
One last one, something I know others must have noticed. Inara is angry at Mal when he "hides" in her shuttle to get away from Saffron, but did anyone else notice how she snapped completely when he started talking about children? Even though she mentioned it first, it seems to send her over the edge. I don't know why, but that little exchange alone is enough to convince me that either she had a child she was forced to give up, or she can't have children at all.

Maybe, but I think she just couldn't stand the thought of him with another woman. Then again there are supposed to be a lot of hints about her past, so who knows.

EVILDINOSAUR

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:27 PM

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In the Serenity movie... the entire opening with Mal walking through the ship from the cockpit to the cargo hold is shot in one take. No cuts. Not quite subtle, but really amazing when you realize it.

Actually, if you watch with commentary, you learn that it's not all in one take. Which I think makes the shot even cooler. Joss hides a cut in a turn as Mal and Simon are going from the upper hall to the infirmary.

The way the set is built, the 2 floors of the ship are not on top of eachother, so the actors can't walk from the lower level of the ship (cargo bay, infirmary, etc.) to the upper level (mess hall, engine room, bridge) and vice versa.

So as Mal and Simon were going to the infirmary, the camera does a quick turn to follow them, and in there is a cut hidden in that turn to allow the scene to continue on the lower level set, making it seem that it's one continuous shot

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

COPILOT

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:45 PM

At the end of the BDM Inara's dress is slightly shorter than usual and her stance kind of makes her look younger and unsure of her future. I think it's the first time her dress had shown her ankles outside of her bedroom attire. I really enjoyed the effect I never noticed she wasn't wearing any make up but I'll look for it when I watch it next.

An I carried such a torch

LADYSINGS

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
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In the Serenity movie... the entire opening with Mal walking through the ship from the cockpit to the cargo hold is shot in one take. No cuts. Not quite subtle, but really amazing when you realize it.

Actually, if you watch with commentary, you learn that it's not all in one take. Which I think makes the shot even cooler. Joss hides a cut in a turn as Mal and Simon are going from the upper hall to the infirmary.

The way the set is built, the 2 floors of the ship are not on top of eachother, so the actors can't walk from the lower level of the ship (cargo bay, infirmary, etc.) to the upper level (mess hall, engine room, bridge) and vice versa.

So as Mal and Simon were going to the infirmary, the camera does a quick turn to follow them, and in there is a cut hidden in that turn to allow the scene to continue on the lower level set, making it seem that it's one continuous shot

If I remember right, in the DVD commentary Joss talks about using a "memory head" for this cut. I believe they used this same technique in OoG. (Man, listening to the DVD commentaries has taught me a lot about filmmaking! lol)

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TEALCANDTRIP

Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:31 PM

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Originally posted by mattcoz:
Quote:
Originally posted by Stubbs:
the very last tune played at the end of the credits is a reworked version of the Firefly theme
I really like that version, anyone have a tab for it?

This thread has a lot music from firefly: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=13&t=3751. The threads pretty long, so be patient while it loads.

The music is captured from the episodes (lot of dialog on top) so I still suggest buying the soundtrack, but it doesn't include the end title.

About halfway down the page (look for a lot of yellow), you'll see all the mp3s. Here's your specific mp3: http://www.nightsoft.net/sneaker98/FireflyEnd.mp3

"I also hear that there's something called Firefly, which is either a canceled science-fiction television show or a new religion, I'm not clear on that. Either way, prayers for the resurrection are involved." – Lore Sjoberg

NATEM

Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:57 PM

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I was just thinking about River's highly quoted "No power in the 'verse can stop me." And I know a lot of folks take this to be cute, witty statement, in which River refers to what they tend to call her unstoppable, "kick-ass" abilities, along the line of Schwarzenegger's "I'll be back" bit or something. But, lest we forget, it was Kaylee who initially said it, when chasing River for an apple (and finally capturing it).

Actually Mal uses the line to describe Kaylee at the start of the first pilot after talking to Jayne about duct-taping her and throwing her in the hold. I think his line was "No power in the 'verse can stop her from being cheerful."

NATEM

Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:32 PM

I also really liked the recurring theme of being lost in the woods. A couple characters say that a bunch of times through the series and I thought it linked them all together.

ASARIAN

Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:50 PM

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Originally posted by NateM:

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I was just thinking about River's highly quoted "No power in the 'verse can stop me." And I know a lot of folks take this to be cute, witty statement, in which River refers to what they tend to call her unstoppable, "kick-ass" abilities, along the line of Schwarzenegger's "I'll be back" bit or something. But, lest we forget, it was Kaylee who initially said it, when chasing River for an apple (and finally capturing it).

Actually Mal uses the line to describe Kaylee at the start of the first pilot after talking to Jayne about duct-taping her and throwing her in the hold. I think his line was "No power in the 'verse can stop her from being cheerful."

But it was Kaylee who said the exact words: "No power in the 'verse can stop me." And River reciprocated that line to Kaylee, not to Mal.

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

NATEM

Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:11 PM

I guess it's just another recurring thing throughout the series, we might be able to find another instance where one of the characters says it.

GFUNK

Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:44 PM

I just noticed that this evening when i was watching Our Mrs. Reynolds width a friend.

When Kaylee takes Saffron into her arms, telling her that the Cap is a monster. Jayne strokes Saffrons shoulder.
Looks hilarious.

GARIM

Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:18 AM

Hi! Pretty new here...

Here's something very subtle which haven't been mentioned yet. I was rewatching 'Safe' yesterday with my sons, and it was my elder son that spotted this, and we rewinded and watched it again, and had a good laugh all of us.

It's at the very end of the episode, when the crew is sitting around the dinner table. A bread basket is going around, and Jayne is taking a piece of bread and putting it on his plate before passing the basket on to Book (I think). Right when Jayne is giving the basket away, River "steals" the bread from Jayne's plate. Jayne notices it. Shrugs (sort of) and reaches for another bread across the table.

We laughed real good at this, as it shows River's mischevious nature well :)

SAB39

Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:08 PM

Going back to Trash and the significance of the fact that the crew are all in on it, here's one.

When Jayne repeats the exact question that YoSaffBridge suggested Wash was going to ask - "if you've got all the access codes why don't you just do it yourself" - you naturally assume he's just being dumb and that he thinks he thought of this himself, not realizing that in fact he thought of it because YoSaffBridge said it not 30 seconds ago.

But knowing that in fact the whole conversation is staged and the crew had planned it, perhaps that wasn't it at all - perhaps it was another "we applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural response from either patient" bit. Perhaps Jayne knows what role he was supposed to play in the conversation, and he's going to damn well play it, whether reality agrees or not...

GREATBLACKTHORN

Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:45 PM

Wash's funny opening dialogue with the Dinosaurs appears to be a warped recount of the foundation of China. I don't know if this intentional, but it could show the America/China new world thing...

She'll turn you in before you can say "Don't turn me in...lady..."

ACRAZYIVAN

Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:47 PM

So, throughout the whole BDM, the Operative is always very neatly dressed and groomed. Even fighting with Mal at the training house, he never loses composure. The fight with Mal over the generator, he clearly loses that composue (going so far as to call Mal "Mal" as someone pointed out earlier). I noticed today that at the very end when he's speaking with Mal outside the loading doors, he's wearing something like cargo pants, which are too big for him. The cuffs go down to the ground around his heels. His shirt is unbuttoned at the top and wrinkled. He seems to have lost not only his belief in the perfect world, but also his crisp, clean personality. He's even soaking wet.

Keep on flyin'

"We've gotta go to the crappy town where I'm a hero."

PINGJING

Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:27 PM

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Originally posted by GreatBlackthorn:
Wash's funny opening dialogue with the Dinosaurs appears to be a warped recount of the foundation of China. I don't know if this intentional, but it could show the America/China new world thing...

She'll turn you in before you can say "Don't turn me in...lady..."

That is really cool...but I guess I don't really know how China was founded. Maybe you could explain in a nutshell?

I'll add my own observation too - I was rewatching OoG yesterday (Which was written by Tim Minear - it's the same ep where he says that Inara's line, "I don't want to die at all," is significant. I'm not sure but I think the whole Inara storyline is kind-of his baby.) Anyway, back to my observation, when Simon injects Zoe with adrenaline to restart her heart, Inara cries out and whirls around to hide her face.

Now, aside from the debate over whether Simon's procedure is medically feasible, I think Inara's reaction is relevant to her story. Up until yesterday, I believed that Inara was trying to keep herself looking younger by injecting herself with some kind of youth serum. But if she's so afraid of needles, how could that be? One little detail has made me start looking for a new conspiracy theory...

Julia

TEALCANDTRIP

Friday, March 24, 2006 4:57 AM

There is a 'big' difference between the huge needle being shoved directly into someone's chest and a small needle (or Inara's needle) being gently and correctly inserted into an arm vein.

We often see Simon injecting people with needles in the arm. Why? Cause it's an easy effect and people immidiately associate it with healing (if administered by a doc). I have no problem with that.

But I can't stand to watch Mal inject himself with the Adrenaline... and he's doing it a lot less forcefully than Simon on Zoe.

"I also hear that there's something called Firefly, which is either a canceled science-fiction television show or a new religion, I'm not clear on that. Either way, prayers for the resurrection are involved." – Lore Sjoberg

ELOISA

Friday, March 24, 2006 2:18 PM

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Originally posted by tealcandtrip:
But I can't stand to watch Mal inject himself with the Adrenaline... and he's doing it a lot less forcefully than Simon on Zoe.

At that point I always close my eyes and stick my fingers into my ears till it goes away....

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GREATBLACKTHORN

Friday, March 24, 2006 3:03 PM

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Originally posted by pingjing:

That is really cool...but I guess I don't really know how China was founded. Maybe you could explain in a nutshell?

Julia

Some big emperor guy defeats the 3-4 different parts of China (not then called China), unifies it and names it "This Land" (China), then some other guy betrays him and takes over. A bit sketchy, I know, but it's all I can remember from the TV...

A new observation of my own:

In the episode "Safe", one of the three yokels that spots Serenity skins a rabbit, this could be similar to the Reaver's habit of skinning things, showing the gradual developement of people in desolate environments into savages.

-GB

She'll turn you in before you can say "Don't turn me in...lady..."

PINGJING

Friday, March 24, 2006 8:26 PM

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Originally posted by tealcandtrip:
There is a 'big' difference between the huge needle being shoved directly into someone's chest and a small needle (or Inara's needle) being gently and correctly inserted into an arm vein.

We often see Simon injecting people with needles in the arm. Why? Cause it's an easy effect and people immidiately associate it with healing (if administered by a doc). I have no problem with that.

But I can't stand to watch Mal inject himself with the Adrenaline... and he's doing it a lot less forcefully than Simon on Zoe.

Ok, so I may be given to exaggeration. But you have to admit, it's interesting that they chose Inara to portray that reaction.

Julia

PINGJING

Friday, March 24, 2006 8:27 PM

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Originally posted by GreatBlackthorn:
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Some big emperor guy defeats the 3-4 different parts of China (not then called China), unifies it and names it "This Land" (China), then some other guy betrays him and takes over. A bit sketchy, I know, but it's all I can remember from the TV...

Thanks! You learn something new everyday...

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NOSADSEVEN

Friday, March 24, 2006 8:29 PM

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Originally posted by GreatBlackthorn:
A new observation of my own:

In the episode "Safe", one of the three yokels that spots Serenity skins a rabbit, this could be similar to the Reaver's habit of skinning things, showing the gradual developement of people in desolate environments into savages.

-GB

I dare say there's nothing particularly savage about skinning an animal to wear its fur and eat its meat. There's really not another way to do it. It's the whole wearing the skin and eating the meat of people that's the freaky savage part.

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Ain't. We. Just.

GREATBLACKTHORN

Friday, March 24, 2006 10:17 PM

But you could see it as a start, remember imagery does not necessarily have purpose in the real world, but it simply used for effect. I dunno if you like to see rabbits being skinned, but I'm pretty sure it zoomed in on it for a reason. Nothing is put in for no reason...

She'll turn you in before you can say "Don't turn me in...lady..."

DISKA

Friday, March 24, 2006 10:23 PM

a little bit that i like ...

In the pilot 'Serenity' when Inara is talking to her client at the very beginning of the episode about home and where she has come from there is a shot of her looking away mournfully while her dialogue continues to show her inner feelings, that she's conflicted and not truely believing what she's saying. it sums up Inara beautfully.

"Dear diary: Today I was pompous and my sister was crazy. Today we were kidnapped by hill folk, never to be seen again. It was the best day ever."

WHOME

Friday, March 24, 2006 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by Nandifan:
In the very last scene with Inara, when she tells Mal she doesn't know if she wants to leave, she has absolutely no makeup on. I have to go back through the shows, but I think that is the first time she has ever been on with no makeup. It was like she was giving up being a Companion. Again, I have to double check, and if I am wrong, please let me know.

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Is it really that clear when a girl is or isn't wearing makeup? Half the time I can't tell. Then again most women I know personally make a point to apply makeup in subtle ways so it doesn't really look like they've applied anything.

In theatrical parlance, that's called "basic corrective". A little foundation here, a little concealer there, maybe a hint of blush and powderpowderpowder. You look "natural" but you've been... made better.

WHOME

Friday, March 24, 2006 10:43 PM

Quote:
Some big emperor guy defeats the 3-4 different parts of China (not then called China), unifies it and names it "This Land" (China), then some other guy betrays him and takes over. A bit sketchy, I know, but it's all I can remember from the TV...

In the English-dubbed version of the movie Hero, it's shown as "Our Land". However, the actual translation is "All Under Heaven." Either way, the name is meant to connote unity.

So... it doesn't really correlate to Firefly.

GREATBLACKTHORN

Friday, March 24, 2006 11:32 PM

My very good, reliable and CHINESE friend told me it's "This Land"...May I add that fact he is Chinese...

She'll turn you in before you can say "Don't turn me in...lady..."

WHOME

Saturday, March 25, 2006 7:59 PM

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Originally posted by GreatBlackthorn:
My very good, reliable and CHINESE friend told me it's "This Land"...May I add that fact he is Chinese...

We're both wrong. (Not about the weird translation in Hero- that happened, but I mistook the term "all under heaven" for the actual name.)

From http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/China_-_Terminology/id/1299954

"China - Zhongguo. China is called Zhongguo in Mandarin Chinese (Simplified: 中国, Traditional: 中國; also romanized as Jhongguo or Chung-kuo), which is usually translated as "Middle Kingdom", but could also be translated as "Central State" or "Central Country". Zhong (中) means "middle" or "center" while guo (国 or 國) means "country," "kingdom," "state," or "land", referring to the claim that China stood at the centre of that society's "known world""

GREATBLACKTHORN

Sunday, March 26, 2006 2:02 AM

...I'm gonna slap Ping next time I see him...

(his name really is Ping, don't be mocking now)

Are you sure it can't be viewed in different ways? Chinese words are very open to interpretation...

She'll turn you in before you can say "Don't turn me in...lady..."

FLORALBUNNY

Sunday, March 26, 2006 6:34 AM

Whome:
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"China - Zhongguo. China is called Zhongguo in Mandarin Chinese (Simplified: 中国, Traditional: 中國; also romanized as Jhongguo or Chung-kuo), which is usually translated as "Middle Kingdom", but could also be translated as "Central State" or "Central Country". Zhong (中) means "middle" or "center" while guo (国 or 國) means "country," "kingdom," "state," or "land", referring to the claim that China stood at the centre of that society's "known world""
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Does this mean it could be translated loosely as "Middle Earth?"

(*ducks out of the way*)

I've been waiting for someone to correct Mistressahara about her confusing the Captain's pull-down toilet with his pull-down desk, but it hasn't happened in about a mile of thread, so here's my oar stuck in...

Love these observations in general, and have been sent back to my DVDs (oh, sheesh, do I have to watch this AGAIN?) several times to look for SR-71s and so on.

Anybody ever do a blooper thread here? I'm interested in why the Captain's cut-off ear switches sides in one shot -- can't see a reason why they'd have needed to flip the picture.

bun
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----- why's the rum gone? -----

WHOME

Monday, March 27, 2006 8:50 PM

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Originally posted by GreatBlackthorn:
...I'm gonna slap Ping next time I see him...

(his name really is Ping, don't be mocking now)

Are you sure it can't be viewed in different ways? Chinese words are very open to interpretation...

She'll turn you in before you can say "Don't turn me in...lady..."

Slap...ping... hee hee. You did that on purpose!

PINGJING

Monday, March 27, 2006 9:32 PM

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Originally posted by WhoMe:
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"China - Zhongguo. China is called Zhongguo in Mandarin Chinese (Simplified: 中国, Traditional: 中國; also romanized as Jhongguo or Chung-kuo), which is usually translated as "Middle Kingdom", but could also be translated as "Central State" or "Central Country". Zhong (中) means "middle" or "center" while guo (国 or 國) means "country," "kingdom," "state," or "land", referring to the claim that China stood at the centre of that society's "known world""

Ping might actually still be right... I remember hearing China referred to as the Middle Kingdom, but the word China means something different, doesn't it? As far as I know, our name for the country comes from the first dynasty to unite China, which someone already mentioned, the Qin dynasty. So maybe Ping was talking about the Western name for China, rather than the Chinese version.

Another observation to add to the mix:
I was thinking about Wash's death today, and I realized that Mal has twice saved Zoey's life. Once in the beginning of the pilot, when he tackled her to get them both out of the range of the Alliance plane careening towards them. And once towards the end of the BDM, when he grabbed her away from Wash so that the Reavers wouldn't impale her too. There's a nice circularity to that.

Julia

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GREATBLACKTHORN

Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:54 AM

I noticed something when watching "Trash", in the alliance guy's collection room, there's a 20th century phone box in there, which I found cool for some wierd reason...I was pointing at the screen and saying "Look!" until my Dad got angry...

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MILFORD

Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:08 AM

This may sound strange, but to me one of the points of the show that made it so realistic, was the repitition of clothing. So many shows never wear the same thing twice, but in the 13 episodes of Firefly we saw pretty much all of their wardrobes, even Inara's. Since they were supposed to be on the ragged edge, the idea that they don't have a lot to wear seems reasonable. I think Mal only has about four shirts and two pairs of pants. Kaylee has three jumpsuits and one dress. I just think that element of realism is keen.

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ONLYME

Friday, March 31, 2006 9:29 PM

Everytime I see Malcolm jump through the doors in the pilot, after the have thrown off Dobson. I have to laugh. I didn't notice it the first few times.

Seems they closed the doors a might early.

DONCOAT

Friday, March 31, 2006 10:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by OnlyMe:
Everytime I see Malcolm jump through the doors in the pilot, after the have thrown off Dobson. I have to laugh. I didn't notice it the first few times.

Seems they closed the doors a might early.

Yes they did. Nathan mentions it in the commentary for that ep.

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USAGIVINDALOO

Monday, April 10, 2006 12:30 PM

Just watched Objects in Space again, and realized something.

Simon, the so called weakling doctor, does BETTER in his fight with Early than Mal, the practiced combat master, does.

I thought that was a nice touch because it shows just how strong Simon can be when his sister is on the line. He gives the seasoned bounty hunter a bit of a challenge (not MUCH of one, but at least he doesn't get knocked out like our fair captain )

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BROWNCOATSANDINISTA

Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:42 AM

I've sparred with doctors before, and I, a black-belt, got my butt uncharacteristically whooped because the doctor kept hitting me in my weak spots. Annoying as all hell while it happens. This is probably why Simon didn't have as hard a time as the Captain, whose background isn't so medical and educated. Also, yes, Simon will fight to defend the ones he loves. ((Like in the BDM, where he is the only one apart from Jayne and Zoe to fire more than once.))

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PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:00 AM

Well, I am amazed no one has mentioned these yet. Unless I'm repeating something that's such common knowledge that no one talks about it, but I'm gonna say it anyway:
River hates Blue Sun. A lot. For instance, when she slashes Jayne across the chest, he it wearing a Blue Sun shirt. First time I saw it I thought she was responding to him insulting her brother, but a few viewings in I noticed the logo on the shirt. The "You owe me a shirt" comment helped a little, too. She was after the logo, not Jayne. And, if you zoom in on the box of food she starts tearing up in Shindig, you'll see a Blue Sun logo on the box of crackers and she's saying things like "They're the ones who take you" etc. The extra behind the scenes stuff talks about Blue Sun being both corporate and government, which makes me think they must have been involved in the "Academy" River was in and so she hates them. Pity we never got the full story of that.

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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:

Something that's not my observation but that comes from the Shindig commentary. The costume designer mentioned that the leather string Zoe always wears around her neck is a symbol of her marraige bond to Wash. Such a subtle touch, and somehow much deeper than if she'd worn a ring - which in the rougher places she always ends up would be a target for thieves.

See, the problem with that statement is that Zoe is wearing that leather necklace in the flashback scene in Out of Gas where she meets Wash. Maybe it was designed by said costume designer to symbolize her bond to Wash, but the fact that she's wearing it when she meets him ruins that a little bit.

That's all I can remember right now. I know there are other little things, though. Guess I'll have to watch it all again and come back

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BROWNCOATSANDINISTA

Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:56 PM

Badger's Pink Flamingoes! Just remembered that. Shawna Trpic try's to get those in wherever she can.

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PETALINE

Thursday, April 13, 2006 2:03 AM

Actually, if you listen to one of the commentaries, someone says the Zoe is wearing the necklace in the flashback by accident. Gina Torres just forgot to take it off. I wonder if she kept it after the series ended. I would have.

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USAGIVINDALOO

Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:10 AM

Recent thoughts on Out of Gas, about Jayne joining the crew:

When I first saw the episode, I got the impression that Mal sweet-talked Jayne into joining just in order to get out of the hostage situation, i.e. to turn Jayne against his fellows and end up on top. In which case, the only reason Jayne is with the crew would be because Mal and Zoe needed to escape.

But the second time I saw the episode, I noticed some very nice and subtle nuances in the performance that suggest it's more than that. When Jayne says that he was able to track down Mal well enough, Mal gets this look on his face, almost as if he's impressed and it's got him thinking. It's like he's thinking, "Hey yeah, he's right... he did track us down. He must be pretty good if he can do that... hey... I could use someone like that on board, I wonder if I can get him on my side?"

I love this little nuance. It shows that Mal really does have respect for what Jayne does, if not Jayne himself, and that he does have a role on board (rather than being just hired on to get them out of a tough spot).

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LEXIEROSEME

Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:21 AM

This observation is in fact not mine but one I culled from IMDb a while back. It appears to have disappeared.

There is apparently a Chinese proverb that states "a poorly sculpted swan appears as a duck, a badly painted tiger can look like a dog," or something similar.

The meaning of this seems to be that it is better to leave something undone than to do it and have it... well, look like a duck.

Some people juggle geese.

CANTONHEROINE

Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by lexieroseme:
This observation is in fact not mine but one I culled from IMDb a while back. It appears to have disappeared.

There is apparently a Chinese proverb that states "a poorly sculpted swan appears as a duck, a badly painted tiger can look like a dog," or something similar.

The meaning of this seems to be that it is better to leave something undone than to do it and have it... well, look like a duck.

Some people juggle geese.

Kinda harks back to Inara and Kaylee in Safe, looking at the swan/duck figure in the town store, neh?

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Friday, April 14, 2006 5:26 PM

I'm not sure if anyone has said this already, and if it has, I apologize in advance. In Objects in Space, when Early is looking at the wanted poster for Simon and River, the camera pans over his control board. On the control board there is a old picture of an old black woman and a golden retriever. This is possibly what River sees to get her started talking with Early about the dog and his mother. Not to discount her physcic powers, as she learns about Early killing the dog through those, but just an observation, which I only picked up after watching the episode for the fourth time.

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MATTCOZ

Friday, April 14, 2006 5:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lexieroseme:
There is apparently a Chinese proverb that states "a poorly sculpted swan appears as a duck, a badly painted tiger can look like a dog," or something similar.

I never knew there was that much meaning behind that scene, pretty cool.

BROWNCOATSANDINISTA

Monday, April 17, 2006 5:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Strand:
I'm not sure if anyone has said this already, and if it has, I apologize in advance. In Objects in Space, when Early is looking at the wanted poster for Simon and River, the camera pans over his control board. On the control board there is a old picture of an old black woman and a golden retriever. This is possibly what River sees to get her started talking with Early about the dog and his mother. Not to discount her physcic powers, as she learns about Early killing the dog through those, but just an observation, which I only picked up after watching the episode for the fourth time.

No power in the verse can stop me

I noticed the picture too. You know, there's a type of ESP called Psychometry, and basically it means that a Psychic could read all the history of an object, what it means, what it is/was, and this might have been how she knew about his tendancies.

Tangientially, I know that Jayne tends to touch stuff, but has anyone noticed River doing this as well? This may be in part what the Academy people did to her.

If anyone gets nosy...Shoot em.
Shoot em sir?
Politely.

ELBURRITO

Monday, April 17, 2006 7:23 AM

This was mentioned in the commentary, but no one's posted it, so:

In The Message, after they've 'escaped' from the Alliance, and are being buried in the snow (or somewhere around there) if you look closely at Wash, he's got his hands out as though he's holding the controls, but there's nothing in his hands.

Apparently they had to move him back for the shot. I thought it was pretty funny.

STRAND

Tuesday, April 18, 2006 3:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BrowncoatSandinista:

I noticed the picture too. You know, there's a type of ESP called Psychometry, and basically it means that a Psychic could read all the history of an object, what it means, what it is/was, and this might have been how she knew about his tendancies.

Tangientially, I know that Jayne tends to touch stuff, but has anyone noticed River doing this as well? This may be in part what the Academy people did to her.

If anyone gets nosy...Shoot em.
Shoot em sir?
Politely.

I'v noticed in some episodes that River seems to like to run her hands over things, or just to lie on them. For example, in the Message, she lies down on Tracy's coffin, while Book and Jayne look on. You also see River lying on the catwalk in the cargo bay in several episodes. In Bushwhacked, when River enters the reaved ship, I believe (not quite sure, would have to watch the episode again to be confident) that she runs her hand along the side of the passageway. She also runs her hands along the inside of Serenity. An instance I can think of is in Objects in Space. I think that theory has some merit behind it. Good idea Sandinista

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NYTEGAUNT

Wednesday, April 19, 2006 2:47 PM

From "The Message" when we learn that Jayne has a sick brother named Matty .... brothers who both share feminine sounding names. I thought that great and also loved the entire new insight the "letter from mom" gave. Jayne's constant want to get paid and dislike of rich doctor types stems from the driving need to send money home to help a sick brother.

~Nyte~

MIMA

Sunday, April 23, 2006 3:38 AM

Can't claim credit for the find but no one in this awesome thread (no matter how many of these come up, I love to read them and always see that someone has found something new!) has mentioned the bottle that river kicks in the bar fight scene when she beans the bartender on the head is a blue sun bottle. they had a screen capture of it and everything- now every time i see that scene i think "blue sun!" when she does that kick.

another subtle observation in the category of "you're supposed to notice this" but i'm not sure if many do (like the inara makeup thing) was the inara scene of her face when she watches the operative coming up the stairs. Her acting is superb- all from 3/4 angle too. she changes from welcoming to alarmed while keeping her smile in place as she realizes he's much more than was probably fronted. love love love slo-mo-ing that scene.

ECAMBER

Thursday, May 4, 2006 2:23 AM

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Now, aside from the debate over whether Simon's procedure is medically feasible, I think Inara's reaction is relevant to her story. Up until yesterday, I believed that Inara was trying to keep herself looking younger by injecting herself with some kind of youth serum. But if she's so afraid of needles, how could that be? One little detail has made me start looking for a new conspiracy theory...

Julia

There's a debate about whether it's medically feasible? Geez, has no one seen Pulp Fiction? (completely tongue in cheek).

I don't think turning away to see someone you love getting stabbed in through the sternum with a three inch needle makes a person afraid of needles. Hell, I would have zero problem watching that done to a stranger... but my kids daughters or my mom? Yeah, I'd probably want to turn around for that. Besides, how much hard core medical training/exposure does one get at the Training House?

JOSSISAGOD

Thursday, May 4, 2006 2:34 AM

I just noticed this, when Mal goes to pick up River, he kicks Jayne to get him up.

JOSSIS(Most Definitely)AGOD

ECAMBER

Thursday, May 4, 2006 2:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Strand:
In Objects in Space...On the control board there is a old picture of an old black woman and a golden retriever. This is possibly what River sees to get her started talking with Early about the dog and his mother. Not to discount her physcic powers, as she learns about Early killing the dog through those, but just an observation, which I only picked up after watching the episode for the fourth time.

No power in the verse can stop me

First let me apologize for my previous post which had statements someone already made (redundancy is so annoying repetative).

Anywho, I didn't notice the picture, but that got me thinking. Early has a picture of the dog he killed out for him to look at in the lonliness of space? That makes that line "you've got issues" all the spookier. Like pediophiles who get fliers of the kids department store catalog. Just flat out creepy that he'd want that to look on (and presumably relive in his head). Yech!

VOLK564

Thursday, May 4, 2006 3:23 AM

Here's one that is probably the most likely to seroiousley be a coincidence:
In Ariel, when Simon, Jayne, and River are in the brain-scanning room, Jayne says something along the lines of: "Now hurry up, we gotta book," and just at the moment he says the word "book," River starts screaming. Couple of possibilities for this: one, that Book is evil and River just got reminded of it, two: Book WAS evil, and the fact that she is in a hospital run by the "evil" alliance just tuned her into that more, three (most likely one): River wasn't screaming about the fact that Jayne said "we gotta book," but that she knows where they're going to Book too - namely, a trap, or four: none of the above, and I'm just crazy.
Just a thought.

PINGJING

Thursday, May 4, 2006 3:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Volk564:
...three (most likely one): River wasn't screaming about the fact that Jayne said "we gotta book," but that she knows where they're going to Book too - namely, a trap, or four: none of the above, and I'm just crazy.
Just a thought.

I think it's the third option. The brain screen goes kind of crazy right before she starts screaming, which I think might indicate that it is recording her psychic powers. But, if I recall correctly, Simon isn't looking at the screen at that moment, he's looking at Jayne. (Haven't watched it in awhile, so I could be wrong). So he misses the whole thing. Of course, according to the escape in the BDM, I guess he already knows.

Hope that means you aren't crazy ;)

Julia

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PINGJING

Thursday, May 4, 2006 3:41 AM

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Originally posted by ECAmber:
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I don't think turning away to see someone you love getting stabbed in through the sternum with a three inch needle makes a person afraid of needles. Hell, I would have zero problem watching that done to a stranger... but my kids daughters or my mom? Yeah, I'd probably want to turn around for that. Besides, how much hard core medical training/exposure does one get at the Training House?

Ok, so maybe I got a little too excited...

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KEYOKE

Thursday, May 4, 2006 7:06 PM

Dunno if this has already been posted, I really can't be bothered to read all that above me...

But during Shindig, as the camera pans down to the crew walking down the high street, A Mobquet Transport from Star Wars is landing in the background.

Later, in the episode where Mal and Wash get captured (Shame on me, I can't remember the name of it.) a second mobquet is moving accross the station as Zoe's shuttle moves in. Its actually flying backwards, the engines apparently on the "front"

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DEEPGIRL187

Thursday, May 4, 2006 8:22 PM

In "Shindig", when Mal, Inara, and Jayne are in the bar. Mal steals the slaver's wallet, and even though Inara obviously doesn't approve, you see her tucking it into her bra. I think it shows that even though she doesn't always like Mal's line of work, she does accept it on some level.

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VLOX

Thursday, May 4, 2006 9:02 PM

im probably looking too much into this but in the song bit it goes
take my love
take my land
take me where i cannot stand
and it show mal and zoe and this is wot the alliance did to them.
also at the
take me to the black
it shows wash which is wot he wanted to do go into space/black
and i cant leave since i found serenity is the
book and the tams
is this too sad to notice this

STRAND

Sunday, May 7, 2006 7:06 AM

I'm not quite sure whether this is done on purpose, or whether I am just watching the episodes too many times (not quite sure thats possible) but in Out of Gas, when Kaylee asks Simon to tell some funny doctor stories at the dinner people, Jayne says "Sick people are hilarious." In the Message, we find out that Jayne has a sick brother back at home. Could the sick brother at home have been the reason for Jayne's comment? Maybe it touched a personal nerve. Just my two platinum

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Sunday, May 7, 2006 11:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by pingjing:
Quote:
Originally posted by Volk564:
...three (most likely one): River wasn't screaming about the fact that Jayne said "we gotta book," but that she knows where they're going to Book too - namely, a trap, or four: none of the above, and I'm just crazy.
Just a thought.

I think it's the third option. The brain screen goes kind of crazy right before she starts screaming, which I think might indicate that it is recording her psychic powers. But, if I recall correctly, Simon isn't looking at the screen at that moment, he's looking at Jayne. (Haven't watched it in awhile, so I could be wrong). So he misses the whole thing. Of course, according to the escape in the BDM, I guess he already knows.

Hope that means you aren't crazy ;)

It is my understanding that when Jayne says they have to go (does he say they gotta book? Didn't notice that), that's when the image of River's brain starts acting up, showing all the areas of her brain that are reacting to her psychic understanding of Jayne's betrayal, reason why she then screams. And Simon is looking at Jayne, yes, so he does miss it. It is a really interesting scene because Ariel is one of those episodes where River's psychic abilities become startling real to the viewer...

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VOLK564

Tuesday, May 9, 2006 5:14 AM

Yeah, I actually noticed the purple brain thing just after posting that message. Go figure. :)
However, I did notice some new stuff - in the pilot episode serenity, Mal looks at one of Patience's men and after some banter, says "Nice hat," after which Jayne shoots him. The nice hat thing was a signal to Jayne, as he couldn't see who Mal was talking to - the hat gave him away though, hence the shooting. Don't know if that was obvious to the rest of all of you, but I thought it was rather nifty.
Also in the same epsiode, I noticed a goof on the filmmaker's part - once Serenity lands on Persephone's "little world" (I forget the name of the moon at the moment), we see Mal and Zoe walk off the ship, and Jayne drive the mule down the ramp, loaded with boxes (remember he almost runs over Mal?). Later in the episode, after the big shootout, the three of them ride back to Serenity on horses - where'd the mule go? You could say that maybe Jayne drove off on the mule, buried the stuff, then drove BACK to Serenity and walked to the rendezvous point, but that seems unlikely. Just thought I'd mention.
Another thing - Kaylee says the fateful line "Have faith, captian," to Mal not once, just in the BDM, but also another time in the pilot episode. Both times he responds in the negative. Wierd, no?

ECAMBER

Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:25 AM

Anyone else notice in the Train Job that a woman sitting behind Zoe is wearing a burqua? It's those full body dresses that include a veil that covers the eyes. They were made prominent in 2001/2002 as they are the only things women in Afghanistan were legally allowed to wear in public. Anyway, I thought it interesting as the backstory is that the Chinese/Americans moved to the new galaxy making Buddhism and Christianity the major religions. Apparently fundamentalist Muslims also found a niche.

ALISS

Saturday, May 13, 2006 9:02 PM

In possibly my most favorite Jayne-detail, in "Our Mrs Reynolds", when Kaylee's comforting Saffron, Jayne rubs Saffron's shoulder a little.

Aww...

Two details that confuse me, though, are 1) River saying "Not him" when Mal walks in after her tantrum in "Safe" and 2) River stops dancing when *Mal* sees Book is shot (and not when Book is, in fact, shot) and seconds before Simon's bagged. What's she reacting to?

SMARTBUTDUMBBLONDE

Sunday, May 14, 2006 6:55 PM

in Jaynestown, when Kaylee and Simon have that discussion, that starts with Kaylee going: "we get along just fine..." see if you can spot the subliminal message. Whether it was intention or accident, I dont know. Only noticed second time round with my friends. Cue sideways glances and hysterical laughter!

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SWEETSERENDIPITY

Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:23 PM

Has any one noticed in War Stories- in the shuttle behind Wash there appears to be a white slimline wall mounted phone. Why?

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DONCOAT

Monday, May 15, 2006 11:10 PM

In the BDM, during the credit sequence, Mal pokes his head into the engine room to yell at Kaylee. Then he turns around and is brought up short by Simon, who has moved in behind him.

This moment is an echo of the earlier scene during River and Simon's escape, where Simon goes to the door to check whether the coast is clear, turns around, and finds that River has moved up right behind him.

Just noticed that last night, on my umpty-umpth viewing of Serenity.

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SERENITYINSCOTLAND

Wednesday, May 24, 2006 2:52 PM

Maybe someone said this already, but my absolute favourite moment is in 'The Message'. River and Book are both eating the dangly ice planets. I just automatically assumed that Book had bought them both, and that it was a really nice, sweet thing to do for River. Maybe its not really subtle but I think its great!

NAFLM

Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Misstressahara:
Joss did it, he got the FIRST toilet in space.

Well, not quite. Toilets actually showed up in at least one episode of Babylon 5, which led to a conversation about finishing technique in another episode. ("Fasten - zip, or zip - fasten?")

VOLK564

Friday, May 26, 2006 4:00 AM

Just noticed: whenever you see Jayne exercising, he's doing pullups right below the grate, so to keep from hitting his head on the thing, he keeps having to glance up. If you've done pullups, you know it's actually harder to do pullups while looking up, so Jayne's actually giving himself a better workout by doing that. Neat, no?

-Volk

FREELANCEFIREFLY

Saturday, May 27, 2006 12:15 AM

I don't know if anyone else has noticed this... I was watching Bushwacked today and at the part where Mal and Zoe are first checking out the attacked ship (part where they're wearing space suits still) They flash there flashlights into a corrider and you see...

A BALLOON!

Of all things on a reavered (lol is that a word?) ship. I'm not EXACTLY sure if it was a balloon i'm fairly sure it was because it was shaped like one and it was floating... Or maybe it was too dark! (it was red btw) Either this is a gag or maybe some kid from the occupants of the ship had it before the reavers attacked. I really doubt it though because later on in the episode the alliance officers were talking and saying the ship was 3 weeks late! There's no way a balloon could survive that long without well... dying... Unless it was a special futuristic balloon! Tell me if i'm wrong because it might've just been a big red ball also...

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YT

Thursday, June 1, 2006 11:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by theonetruebix:
What IS subtle in OiS is the fact that when Early is leading Simon through the ship, they pass the spacesuit locker... which is open.

Because at that point, although the audience doesn't know it yet, River has already left the ship to go sit inside Early's.

Doooood, I can't count how many times I've watched that ep, and never noticed this.

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YT

Friday, June 2, 2006 1:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Aliss:
River stops dancing when *Mal* sees Book is shot (and not when Book is, in fact, shot) and seconds before Simon's bagged. What's she reacting to?

The first few times I watched "Safe" I thought she was reacting to Mal noticing Book had been shot (OK, first time I thought she reacted to Book getting shot, but on second viewing I noticed she didn't react 'til Mal saw him). I've since come to believe she sensed the kidnappers sneaking up to put the bag on Simon. Can't see a reason why she would be much more connected to Mal than to Book.

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BREXAN

Friday, June 2, 2006 1:54 AM

When the crew are looking at the statue in Jaynes town Simon puts his finger up to his mouth in shock, and I believe he did it a second time in the episode. Looking at the yourtube video of Nathan kissing Sean I notice Sean's making the same gesture at one point. Makes me wonder if it was scripted or his natural reaction.

-Brexan
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TRAVELER

Saturday, June 3, 2006 3:39 AM

If you back to the top KIZAR mentions seeing Mal kissing a small crucifix before going into combat. Later when he learns Book is a shepard he does not even hide his hostility. Seems his faith is torn from him during this battle. But they never develope this subplot. I wonder if the show would have lasted longer Mal and Book would have had some sort of confrontation about this.

And what do we do with the chain of command?

MUSCULARBUTTOCKS

Sunday, June 4, 2006 8:38 PM

I'm always surprised by the attention to detail by the special effects guys.

Little things like when Serenity is coming into land at Eavesdown Docks (in the BDS pilot), it pivots to starboard and the engines vector appropriately to do so. (I'd love to know how much of the ships physics is truely simulated and correlated with it's mechanical control elements.)

And miniscule things like when Dobson tries and fails to connect to the cortex with his handheld device after escaping, he throws it to the floor and they add tiny a little flash to imply something has fried.

Keep Flyin' and have good sex (preferably not at the same time)

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MRSU

Monday, June 5, 2006 4:25 PM

Some OiS observations.

When Kaylee is fixing the engine before Early comes to her, she hears his footsteps and says: "River?" couple of times, and then reaches for some heavy instrument. She is spooked that River is going to come and get her... She couldn't be more wrong, of course.

Also when Kaylee finishes her speech about River shooting 3 guys, River listens from below, and hears Kaylee's 'Don't be mad at me" spoken louder and in a different tone. Could it be the moment when River is mindreading Kaylee, just like she mindread others before? And of course Kaylee repeats this phrase to Simon later.

And one more thing: we learn from River that Early is wearing armour. Kinda puts Simon's fight with him in a new light: a guy who's barefoot and in pajamas attacking a guy in armour and super-heavy space boots... that really gets you.

LADYSERENITY

Monday, June 5, 2006 10:02 PM

I suppose this observation is a tie in with the BDM as well. In the series in Out of Gas Kaylee is with Mal seeing Zoe in the infirmary she says; "She ain't movin'... Serenity ain't movin'

The comparison with Zoe and Serenity is also alluded to in the movie by Zoe herself also when speaking to Mal:

"She's tore up plenty but she'll fly true"

Just interesting that Zoe and Serenity are mentioned like this more than once. Sorry if this repeats someone's idea already.

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FLAME

Friday, June 9, 2006 6:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gfunk:

When Kaylee takes Saffron into her arms, telling her that the Cap is a monster. Jayne strokes Saffrons shoulder.
Looks hilarious.

YES! That, to me, is one of the funniest moments in the entire show. I absolutely love it.

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FLAME

Friday, June 9, 2006 12:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnimalM0ther:
... Objects in Space. When the show starts we see Serenity flying by a red/white/green planet then the camera goes through the ship to River. At the very end of the episode, when River and Kaylee are playing jacks, River says "I can do this" and drops a rubber ball that looks pretty much the same as the planet they passed by at the beginning of the show.

That's actually specified in the shooting script.

http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/firefly/

"CLOSE ON the ball, as she contemplates it. The solidity of the thing. We might notice it has a similar coloring to the moon we saw at the beginning of the show."

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MARVLGRL

Friday, June 9, 2006 7:13 PM

Great catch on that, ladyserenity. I thought that Kaylee had more of a rapport with Serenity than any of the other crew members but if you recall, in that episode, after the explosion happens, Kaylee says something along the lines of "she usually tells me when something's wrong".

Maybe the ship switches who she's most relating to?

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SHINYYUKARI

Friday, June 9, 2006 7:57 PM

In the BDM, I never noticed it until after the shooting script that Book is actually smoking a cigar on Haven. I can't believe it passed over me everytime.

Or how in The Message, Jayne pretty much wears that hat the entire episode except for some scenes. It's not really subtle, but I thought it was cute.

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