Angry liberal guy rant
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I thought this was funny as hell...
copy/pasted from boingboing.net
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Angry liberal guy rant
A couple of years ago, C.B. Shapiro wrote a terrific proposal to allow the red states to secede from the blue states. He's back again with a new piece, titled "Hark, the Angry Liberal Sings."
There’s been some ink spilled lately denigrating so called ‘angry liberals,’ that is, people who have allegedly lost their right to be taken seriously because they are ‘angry.’ And they are ‘liberal.’
Well, I hereby declare myself a charter member in the ALC (Angry Liberal Club).
Sure, at first I felt guilty -- what right do I have as a patriotic American to be angry? Or liberal? Oh, I tried to repress the ‘angry thing,’ I tried -- if I was asked, I claimed I was a ‘peeved moderate.’ Or a ‘mildly upset centrist.’ But after much work through ‘BIT’ (Blog Immersion Therapy), I stopped feeling the shame. I’m coming out of the closet to announce I am an Angry Liberal Guy. And I am pissed.
You might be saying “Man, what are you so angry about, Angry Liberal Guy?”
I’ve compiled a short (and by no means complete) list just so I could see it all in one place:
I’m angry about the shredding of the constitution…illegal wiretaps…falsified intelligence…secret prisons… use of torture as an accepted means of interrogation…Terry Schiavo…the war on science…denial of Global Warming…the fascistic secrecy of our elected officials… presidential signings that declare the President above the law…the breakdown of the wall between church and state…the outing of a clandestine CIA agent for purely partisan political gain…the corrupting influence of K Street… the total sell-out of the legislative process to corporate interests… appointments of unqualified cronies at every level of government…Harriet Miers…Brownie…Abu Ghraib… Scooter …the complete mismanagement of the war in Iraq…the lies about the complete mismanagement of the war in Iraq…the grotesque budget deficits… the pathetic response to Katrina… a civil rights division dedicated to undermining civil rights…an environmental protection agency that refuses to protect the environment… (Take a breath, Angry Liberal Guy.)
And I’m angry about a smug, simple-minded, incompetent, unqualified President, and a press that denies the obvious fact that we have a smug, simple-minded, incompetent unqualified President.
If these things don’t make you angry, I have to ask -- what the hell is the matter with you?
And what would it take to make you angry? -- C.B. Shapiro
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"peeved moderate" -LOL
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Amen....I'll be a charter member of ALC along with you!
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May I be the first to join the Angry Liberal Guy Lady's Auxiliary, aka Angry Liberal Gals!
You are so right on.
ShinyOtter
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I’m angry about the shredding of the constitution ( it's not being shredded ) …illegal wiretaps…( there aren't any wire taps, and the NSA program isn't illegal ) falsified intelligence…( nope, none of that either ) secret prisons…( yeah, I approve of that one. Good job! ) use of torture as an accepted means of interrogation( gotta agree w/ that one too! Although it's not torture. Pity ) …Terry Schiavo…( You're kidding, right ? ) the war on science( ummm..you mean the view that embryonic stem cell study is entitled to Fed Funds? ) …denial of Global Warming ( where cries of which are greatly exaggereated, and not a damn thing man can do about it anyways) …the fascistic secrecy of our elected officials…( only to be outdone by the fanatical leaks of some political zealots on the Left ) presidential signings that declare the President above the law…( Remember this little gem " Stroke of the pen, Law of the land...Kinda cool! " Paul Begala , during the Clinton White House ) the breakdown of the wall between church and state…( break down? HA! ) the outing of a clandestine CIA agent for purely partisan political gain…( You're talking about Joe Wilson outing his own wife ? ) the corrupting influence of K Street…( Congressman William Jefferson (D- LA )? ) the total sell-out of the legislative process to corporate interests…( No worse than a total sell out of US security under Clinton to the Chinese ) appointments of unqualified cronies at every level of government…Harriet Miers…Brownie…( How about Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Justices Roberts and Alito? ) Abu Ghraib ( A few bad apples, which were uncovered not by ABC news, but by the US Military ) … Scooter ( yawn ) …the complete mismanagement of the war in Iraq…( kicked the hell out of Saddam in 3 weeks, didn't we ? ) the lies about the complete mismanagement of the war in Iraq ( oh yeah, the 'lies'. Ha ha ha! ) …the grotesque budget deficits..(hey, we agree on one thing! ) … the pathetic response to Katrina..( the least amount of blame goes to Bush, while you ignore state, local Gov'ts for their complete and utter collapse of duty ) … a civil rights division dedicated to undermining civil rights… ( huh? that makes no sense what so ever ) an environmental protection agency that refuses to protect the environment…( Except that the enviroment is better now than ever )
Take a breath, Angry Liberal Guy. ( You need far more than a breath )
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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First, I think that was a very cute and funny piece of writing and Mr. Shapiro should bed commended for his wit. Second, "so you're angry, so what"? This is Slactivism at its finest. Direct that anger and take to the bloody streets or something.
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Direct that anger and take to the bloody streets or something.
I can't. 'Cause then the streets would be... well,
bloody. Don't much care for the sight of blood.
I'll just keep on slackin' 'till they come for me
and mine. Then there'll be some blood. I'll just
keep my eyes closed.
Don't want to sit and chant the obvious in a
"Free Speech Zone". Don't want to cast a vote
into a hackable blackbox. Don't wanna hurt
nobody. Don't wanna break stuff. Don't really
know WTF to do...
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@AURaptor
Man, you're right. I see the light now. Praise the
Lord and pass the ammunition, brother.
FWIW, you really gotta drop the whole "Clinton
was bad too" thing. WE KNOW. He's a globalist just
like your daddy Bush. Kerry too. It's called the
New World Order, and you're voting for it.
But what the hell do I know? It works in Star Trek...
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Originally posted by STDOUBT:
[B]@AURaptor
Man, you're right. I see the light now. Praise the
Lord and pass the ammunition, brother.
FWIW, you really gotta drop the whole "Clinton
was bad too" thing. WE KNOW. He's a globalist just
like your daddy Bush. Kerry too. It's called the
New World Order, and you're voting for it.
But what the hell do I know? It works in Star Trek...
Globalist as in our Border Patrol telling the Mexican Gov't where the Minutemen patrols are going to be ? You're right. But I wish the folks who got ticked off at Bush over stuff like that also wouldn't give Clinton a pass at the stuff he did. That's all I'm sayin'.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Except that the enviroment is better now than ever )
Your level of self-delusion is astounding. That's one of the dumbest damned things I've ever heard.
Edit: Damn. My brother used my computer and didn't log out. So, the above was posted by Storymark.
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Globalist as in our Border Patrol telling the Mexican Gov't where the Minutemen patrols are going to be ? You're right. But I wish the folks who got ticked off at Bush over stuff like that also wouldn't give Clinton a pass at the stuff he did. That's all I'm sayin'.
We can argue Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative,
'till we're Divided/Conquered... Meanwhile our
country is getting shitcanned by the people in
power. It ain't about the PARTIES. That's
what I'm sayin'.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I’m angry about the shredding of the constitution ( it's not being shredded )
The president is seizing far more power than he is given by the Constitution, he has been basically saying that he can do whatever he wants because he is the law, which is false.
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…illegal wiretaps…( there aren't any wire taps, and the NSA program isn't illegal )
Um, did you miss that thing where Bush himself said that the wiretaps weren't illegal because he could do whatever he wanted? WHERE BUSH SAID THAT THERE WERE WIRETAPS? Also, if he doesn't get a warrant from FISA within 72 hours it is illegal.
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falsified intelligence…( nope, none of that either )
Falsified maybe not. Exaggerated beyond reality? Most definitely
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secret prisons…( yeah, I approve of that one. Good job! )
Just be sure to never speak out against the Pres or you may find yourself in one as an 'enemy combatant'.
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use of torture as an accepted means of interrogation( gotta agree w/ that one too! Although it's not torture. Pity )
See above
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…Terry Schiavo…( You're kidding, right ? )
Not sure exactly what either of you are saying with this one so I guess I shouldn't have bothered copying it.
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the war on science( ummm..you mean the view that embryonic stem cell study is entitled to Fed Funds? )
I imagine that he was talking about the pushing of "Intelligent Design" instead of science in schools. You may be right though. He may be talking about the embryos that are going in the trash instead of towards medical research because a few people are too worried that babies will be concieved just to be sold to researchers, which is ludicrous considering how many embryos are thrown away anyways.
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…denial of Global Warming ( where cries of which are greatly exaggereated, and not a damn thing man can do about it anyways)
Exaggerated I'll admit, but it is real and we have to try to do something about it.
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…the fascistic secrecy of our elected officials…( only to be outdone by the fanatical leaks of some political zealots on the Left )
I think the secrecy far outdoes the leaks, but it is partisanship at its best (sarcasm)
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presidential signings that declare the President above the law…( Remember this little gem " Stroke of the pen, Law of the land...Kinda cool! " Paul Begala , during the Clinton White House )
Bush has put out more than 4 times the signing statements of Clinton, and Bush even has control of Congress so he shouldn't have to. This is just one example of Bush wanting to be above the law "I don't like that law so I'm going to re-write it in my own image"
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the breakdown of the wall between church and state…( break down? HA! )
Intelligent Design, Abortion, Religious Conservatives appointed to the Supreme Court, yeah the wall hasn't broken yet, but it's cracking.
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the outing of a clandestine CIA agent for purely partisan political gain…( You're talking about Joe Wilson outing his own wife ? )
Um no I believe that he was talking about the Bush Administration outing mrs. Plame. Which according to their own guy was ordered by Bush.
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the corrupting influence of K Street…( Congressman William Jefferson (D- LA )? )
Not sure what K street is...skipping.
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the total sell-out of the legislative process to corporate interests…( No worse than a total sell out of US security under Clinton to the Chinese )
Actually they are probably about equal...except that the corporations will benefit more by ruthlessly screwing us.
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appointments of unqualified cronies at every level of government…Harriet Miers…Brownie…( How about Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Justices Roberts and Alito? )
Colin Powell quit because he didn't like Bush's policies, Roberts and Alito are qualified but there are doubtless much more qualified people for the positions, Condi doesn't seem to be anything sp
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Originally posted by STDOUBT:Quote:
Globalist as in our Border Patrol telling the Mexican Gov't where the Minutemen patrols are going to be ? You're right. But I wish the folks who got ticked off at Bush over stuff like that also wouldn't give Clinton a pass at the stuff he did. That's all I'm sayin'.
We can argue Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative,
'till we're Divided/Conquered... Meanwhile our
country is getting shitcanned by the people in
power. It ain't about the PARTIES. That's
what I'm sayin'.
You can say that again. If it weren't so depressing, it would be rather comical the way they keep everyone distracted with the left/right circus. Open your eyes people. This isn't about cheerleading. Our leaders are screwing us! Does it really matter what team they're on???
SergeantX
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I'm angry at Auraptor, who is right there with the prez in terms of neurons and morality. (few and none respectively). It's like I say....
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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Terry Schiavo…( You're kidding, right ? )
The government had better things to do than get involved in that dispute. Yes, the husband was acting like a jackass, but her parents weren't much better. Both turned what should have been a private affair into a media spectacle.
Furthermore, she had the right to die, if that's what she wanted. Yes, that's debatable, given that there was no will, but I tend to believe her husband wasn't an evil man. And the doctors also agreed that she was never going to recover. An autopsy performed after her death revealed that there was massive irreversible brain damage and that she was blind. Ergo, she couldn't actually see people or communicate with them. Her parents continue to believe that she was ok, despite the scientific evidence staring at them. (from: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8225637/ and any other news source)
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the war on science( ummm..you mean the view that embryonic stem cell study is entitled to Fed Funds? )
Why shouldn't we spend money on researching embryonic stem cells? Because they're "human beings"? "embryonic stem cells are typically created using frozen embryos that fertility clinics plan to discard" (from: http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2006/03/25/germans_announc
e_stem_cell_advance/). Fertility clinics throw out the extra ones; shouldn't they put to use instead of wasting that life. But I guess the trash is a better place to end up than possibly saving someone's life.
The "war on science" extends further than embryonic stem cells. Evolution vs. Intelligent Design vs. Creationism? Fossils? The age of Earth? I'm sorry Jerry Falwell, but dinosaur bones weren't put on earth by the devil in order to trick mere mortals. The "war on science" arguable extends to sex education as well. Research shows that abstinence only education fails, but despite scientific evidence to the contrary, people still look the other way and think that telling a teenager "don't do it" is an awesome idea. Though modern sex ed. is more like reproductive biology and hardly deserves the title sex education.
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…denial of Global Warming ( where cries of which are greatly exaggereated, and not a damn thing man can do about it anyways)
How are they exaggerated? The temperature IS going up. CO2 levels have increased exponentially since the industrial revolution (coincidence . . . doubtful). Over millions of years, the climate has been in flux; however, it's never been a man-made flux, nor has happened on as small of a time scale as the most recent one. I'm glad you think there isn't a damn thing we can do about it, but when New Orleans, NYC, Los Angeles, and other low lying coastal cities are underwater, I'll bet they will wish we had tried a little harder to slow-down/prevent global warming.
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the breakdown of the wall between church and state…( break down? HA! )
I don't know that "breakdown" is the word I'd choose, but the current administration certainly pursues nearly all policies from an evangelical christian point of view, which I believe isn't the point of view that's best for the country.
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the complete mismanagement of the war in Iraq…( kicked the hell out of Saddam in 3 weeks, didn't we ? ) the lies about the complete mismanagement of the war in Iraq ( oh yeah, the 'lies'. Ha ha ha! )
There weren't really any terrorists in Iraq. They would have been a threat to Saddam. There weren't any WMDs found in Iraq. I hardly think Saddam was a legitimate threat to U.S. safety. He is an evil bastard, as were his sons, but that's not necessarily viewed as a reason to kick out a leader. If it was a good reason, we would have ousted many other historically evil leaders (Suharto, Pol Pot, Ariel Sharon, Ferdinand Marcos, any # of genocidal dictators in Africa, etc), but Saddam was convenient.
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an environmental protection agency that refuses to protect the environment…( Except that the enviroment is better now than ever )[
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Re: mismanagement of the war
Troops are also being sent in completely unprepared. A family friend/distant cousin of mine is in the South Dakota National Guard and was sent to Iraq. What did he have to ask for for christmas from his parents? A compass along with other BASIC soldier necessities that weren't being provided to him.
But inadequately outfitting the soldiers must not fall under the term "mismanagement".
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Originally posted by Ihappymichael:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Except that the enviroment is better now than ever )
Your level of self-delusion is astounding. That's one of the dumbest damned things I've ever heard.
Edit: Damn. My brother used my computer and didn't log out. So, the above was posted by Storymark.
Keep following the rest of the sheep. Baahaaa!
Fact is, there are rivers here that are cleaner now that would catch on fire because they were so dirty back in the 70's. Progress has been made, but some choose not to see it.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Auraptor - read, rinse, repeat, and it's not polite to talk with your mouth full:
www.workingforchange.com
The term "liberal" is likewise discredited, since it's officially synonymous with covert Communism, aka, neoCONism. Billionaire Kerry/Kohn is Skull & Bones and lies nekked in coffins masturbating with the Bushes, and he intentionally lost in 2004, refusing to spend $51-million in "leftover campaign funds" (legalized bribery), and refused recounts in Ohio and the other 49 states.
RepubliCONS and DemoRATS have sold out USA. They are two CRIMINAL gangs with mutual aid treaties to destroy USA for the New World Odor global shadow dictatorship, as proven by NAFTA SHAFTA and wide-open borders. The Masonic Mafia's double-headed eagle could be used as an anaology for the so-called "two party sytem" worldwide.
www.humphrey-masonic-center.org
www.srmason-sj.org/web/index.htm
The most bizarre proof of all is that "liberal Democrats" REFUSE to attack the Bushes for their confessed TREASON when they perped domestic TERRORISM against uSA on 9/11/2001. This is obviously a prearranged sellout of uSA, since the Democrats fought so hard to successfully defeat Bush Sr during Iran-Contra, when the Sr Bush White House was criminally prosecuted for narcoterrorism and confessed terrorist bombings to murder US citizens. Kerry wrote a 35-volume Congressional Report on his Iran-Contra hearings, and he could slam the Bushes for being narco kingpins, if he really wanted to win. But Kerry's family has been in the opium business with the Bush Gang for over 200 years, via Yale Skull & Bones' Russell Trust, and their corporate pirate flag of the Jolly Roger skull & crossbones.
Why is it that reformed Republicans are the only ones attacking Bushes for perping 9/11? Besides the obvious "3rd party" candidates in Libertarian and Constitutional Parties. Green and Reform Parties have been infiltrated, bought and paid for since at least 1992.
Honest intelligent folk need to run for local office, and play hardball to win, which means you can't count on votes to win. When you campaign against a criminal, you lock them up in jail. You DON'T trust a criminal to count the votes.
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Quote:My, that's certainly presumptious of you to say. It's debatable, ok, but that isn't what he's doing. Not by a long shot. He's doing what is necessary.
The president is seizing far more power than he is given by the Constitution, he has been basically saying that he can do whatever he wants because he is the law, which is false.
Quote:Yeah, I missed that part. Where did he say that? Got a quote ? Seems he does NOT need a warrant from the FISA court. Not every case is the same. Dealing w/ international terrorism is different than dealing w/ the mob. It's about WINNING, and those trying to undermine the US efforts to protect itself and its citizens is pretty fucking unbelievable.
Um, did you miss that thing where Bush himself said that the wiretaps weren't illegal because he could do whatever he wanted? WHERE BUSH SAID THAT THERE WERE WIRETAPS? Also, if he doesn't get a warrant from FISA within 72 hours it is illegal.
Quote:Exaggerated by whom ? Every other intel agency in the world? Bill Clinton, who said ...[
Falsified maybe not. Exaggerated beyond reality? Most definitely
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.
Quote:That's about the most absurd thing I've seen posted here from anyone NOT named Piratenews. There's a wave of self induced paranoia here that hides in the guise of Bush hating. I already HAVE spoken out against the President. Many have, and they're not in jail. Hard to continue w/ any level of seriousness after your ridiculous comment.
Just be sure to never speak out against the Pres or you may find yourself in one as an 'enemy combatant'.
Quote:The I.D. nut jobs are a product of years of Creationites figuring a way to put religion back in the school. Bush has nothing to do w/ that movement. And as for Embryonic stem cell research, all Bush has done is cut FEDERAL funding. He's not in the least banned it, and private $$ is still free to be thrown down that spider hole. To date, there's every indication that adult stem cells, not from embryos, hold the best possibility for success. But fight those windmills all you want, it's of little concern to me.
I imagine that he was talking about the pushing of "Intelligent Design" instead of science in schools. You may be right though. He may be talking about the embryos that are going in the trash instead of towards medical research because a few people are too worried that babies will be concieved just to be sold to researchers, which is ludicrous considering how many embryos are thrown away anyways.
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(Global Warming ) Exaggerated I'll admit, but it is real and we have to try to do something about it.
What is 'real' is that the Earth heats and cools over time, regardless of whether humans even exists or not! 'Human initiated' global warming hasn't been verified, and there's plenty of evidence going back millions of years that shows mild variations in global temperature that has nothing to do w/ mankind.
Quote:Again, all this talk about Bush going outside or above the law is absurd. There have always been areas where one branch of Govt's powers end, and another branch of Gov't starts. There is nothing new about this in US politics in the least. We're at war, unless you've not kept up w/ current events. There is a very real enemy who has declared open war on pretty much all the West. You can't have things both ways where you get to criticize Bush for doing too little AND too much.
Bush has put out more than 4 times the signing statements of Clinton, and Bush even has control of Congress so he shouldn't have to. This is just one example of Bush wanting to be above the law "I don't like that law so I'm going to re-write it in my own image
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Intelligent Design, Abortion, Religious Conservatives appointed to the Supreme Court, yeah the wall hasn't broken yet, but it's crac
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Piratenews - It's amazing how you cut/ paste all those funny, cute photos and reams of text from other sites, and yet you continue to say absolutely NOTHING!! That truly is a skill of morons unparalleled anywhere on this site. Congrats!
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:I think it's like talking to a three year old. Think about it, the level of mental reasoning is "daddy (George Bush) said" and when you inevitably prove him wrong he has a tempertantrum and calls you a big stupid head before running away to go sulk in his room (other thread).
Originally posted by SignyM:
I'm angry at Auraptor, who is right there with the prez in terms of neurons and morality. (few and none respectively).
It's really quite amusing, it is like talking to my god daughter sometimes, except her behaviour is improving (she's growing up) and she'd never use some of the words AURapter thinks are appropriate. I guess she's a better behaved three year old than AU.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Piratenews - It's amazing how you cut/ paste all those funny, cute photos and reams of text from other sites, and yet you continue to say absolutely NOTHING!! That truly is a skill of morons unparalleled anywhere on this site. Congrats!
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
Spoken like a true idiot moron criminal traitor terrorist who deserves to be electroshocked in the orifice until DEAD by natural causes in Commie Gitmo, as legalized by your god Bushes' U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act. If the US Govt hired me as an executioner, after your conviction by martial law tribunal, I'd be happy to kill you myself, and I'd really enjoy spending my govt paycheck.
I hear you - you don't like people, and you want to kill them. Well, I don't like YOU.
Be careful what you wish for, auraptor, you might just get the Bush Gang's wish on 9/11 for total martial law. If Colonel Rick Gibney and his commanding generals hadn't disobeyed Cheney's illegal Stand Down order and shot down United Airlines Flight 93, the US Congress would have been decapitated, worse than the Reichstag. Remember what Hitler did to his loyal Brownshirts on the Night of the Long Knives...
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"Towers that fell 'like a controlled demolition'. Planes that vanished then mysteriously reappeared, and crucial evidence that has been lost for ever. In the Pentagon, a top secret team drew up a plan to simultaneously send up two airliners painted and numbered exactly the same, one from a civil airport in America, the other from a secret military airbase nearby. The one from the airport would have military personnel on board who had checked in as ordinary passengers under false names. The one from the airbase would be an empty drone, a remote-controlled unmanned aircraft. Somewhere along their joint flight paths, the passenger-carrying plane would drop below radar height, and disappear, landing back at the airbase and unloading its occupants in secret. Meanwhile, the drone would have taken up the other plane's designated course. High over the island of Cuba, it would be exploded in mid-air after broadcasting an international distress call that it was under attack from enemy fighters. The world would be told that a plane load of blameless American holidaymakers had been deliberately shot down by Fidel Castro's Communists - and that the US had no choice but to declare war and topple his regime. This Top Secret 'agent provocateur' plan - code named Operation Northwoods and revealed in official archives - dates from 1962 when the Cold War was at its height and was declassified in 2000."
-Tony Rennell, London Daily Mail, "9/11 ON TRIAL -Towers that fell 'like a controlled demolition'. Planes that vanished then mysteriously reappeared, And crucial evidence that has been lost for ever. A new book raises bizarre yet deeply unsettling questions abo
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Originally posted by piratenews:
...idiot moron criminal traitor terrorist who deserves to be electroshocked in the orifice until DEAD by natural causes in Commie Gitmo, as legalized by your god Bushes' U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act.
Have you even read the PATRIOT act? I have. In fact, I have a copy of the entire act in my desk that I am typing on right now. It says nothing about being "electroshocked in the orfice until DEAD by natural causes in Commie Gitmo". It actually doesn't legalize torture. Most of the act itself is pretty redundant, seeing as how most of the powers it "gave" the govenment were already in place. The act basically just updated laws that have been around since the fifties and sixties.
You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.
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Except that the enviroment is better now than ever )
Your level of self-delusion is astounding. That's one of the dumbest damned things I've ever heard.
Edit: Damn. My brother used my computer and didn't log out. So, the above was posted by Storymark.
Keep following the rest of the sheep. Baahaaa!
Fact is, there are rivers here that are cleaner now that would catch on fire because they were so dirty back in the 70's. Progress has been made, but some choose not to see it.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
Okay, I'll grant, for the sake of argument, that some rivers may be cleaner now than in the 70's (which I doubt it true on the whole - and surprise surprise, you don't have anything to back it up). But, just in case you weren't aware, cleaner than in the 70's does not equal "cleaner than ever". Or do you consider your lifespan the entirety of existance?
And just because some progress has been made, does not mean we should stop. And if you're going to defend this administration's enviornmental policy, you prove yourself to be an idiot beyond reason.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Some people need to believe the world's not on the edge, but it always is. And sometimes it falls. So far, it's always survived, but if more people could be open to the idea of our ability to halt those disasters by facing real problems right now, and not sugar-coating them with blind obedience to the status-quo, the problems we have would be much more controllable.
What? Me worry? Chrisisall
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I liked the bit when AURaptor called someone else a sheep, pure pure grade A gold material. The man should be in show biz.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
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True, he is good for a laugh sometimes.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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I belive AURAPTOR and PIRATENEWS may be two sides of the same Schizophrenic.
And you never see them together do you?
Just a theory.
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I liked the bit when AURaptor called someone else a sheep, pure pure grade A gold material. The man should be in show biz.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
You just can't stop thinking about me, huh?
Doesn't even take a reply to me or a reply to what someone else said ABOUT me, you still are compelled to post something. Have you thought about picking up a hobby, something non internet related ?People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I'm angry at Auraptor, who is right there with the prez in terms of neurons and morality. (few and none respectively). It's like I say....
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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.
I don't have degrees from Harvard OR Yale, so W is 2 up on me ( and I'd suspect you as well ). And there's every indication that Bush was more of ( but not by much ) a student and scored higher on IQ test than did John Kerry, for what THAT'S worth. I guess not much.
Morality ? On what do you base YOUR view about MY morals? It's funny to see folks get all bent out of shape over things which they have no clue. I'd ask you to give examples, but you won't. You'll just flap on about what a Bush lover I am, and repeat the inane insults , blah blah blah. Never any substance w/ you folks, but plenty of vitriol. Bravo!
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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But can you site anything good that Bush has done (That isn't good for just big corporations, I mean)?
Chrisisall?
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But can you site anything good that Bush has done (That isn't good for just big corporations, I mean)?
Chrisisall?
Well, there's no reason you can't accept the tax cuts as being good for everybody. The high tide raises all boats, big and small. That's the benefit of a strong economy, which are the result in large part to tax cuts.
I'd add Justies Roberts and Alito. Both extremely well qualified.
Also, some Fed Appeals Court appointees. I see those as being very good, but understand that time will tell.
Appointing Condoleeza Rice as the first black female Sec. of State. That's very good.
Killing the Kyoto Treaty. I'm very glad he did that, and see it as all good.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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I'd ask you to give examples, but you won't.
heres some substance: why any president past, present, or future would say this is beyond me.
Bush:
"You know, I've experienced many great moments, and it's hard to name the best," Bush told weekly Bild am Sonntag when asked about his high point since becoming president in January 2001.
"I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5-pound perch in my lake," he told the newspaper in an interview published Sunday. Bush said the worst moment was Sept. 11, 2001, when hijacked planes crashed into the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington.
It was mentioned that the lake was manmade and stocked.. rich boy achievements.. woo hoo!
and yes, I fully understand Kerry is a rich boy too... I am not going to defend him... for IQ or Morals... people need to stop that... but lets talk here and now... something WE CAN CHANGE
AUR.. u serious? Man can't do anything about global warming. Certain cities have Flexfuel pumps and they are spreading (only one city in my state, working to change that) Is this just a hobby? NO. People realize that we don't have to use fossil fuels.
OK. the war, I here a lot "we gonna get them before they get us." Understood... I know that area is volatile and why? two main reasons in my mind. Religous conflict that has been going on for centuries and the battle for power... face it power comes from money and fear... but mostly money to pay people to scare people.. where are they getting the money from? long before I was on the planet they were getting rich off of oil. So, if all the oil nations were peaceful, would we still say hey lets make them rich for a fuel we have a clean alternative too. Some, rich boys sure think so….
***NO ONE confuse this, with a war about Oil! It is not about that now... bad people are in power... just talkin root causes here and the US needs their roots badly***
Don't wait til the gas is 6 bucks a gallon to take to the streets.
So, while God is telling Bush to fight a crusade:
we are burning up,
having civil liberties taken away,
afraid to be sick,
scared of hurricanes,
encroached by borders,
placing burdens on our children,
etc.
I am sorry when our gov't breaks OUR laws I get pissst.
Pick one and i'll give examples...
Go ahead, fire back… I am of course wearing full body armor, I am not a moron.
Why you think "Earth got used up"
Disclaimer: Geez, I live on the coast and my college mascot is a pirate so I use the pirate image, I am in no way affiliated with PN.
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Quote:I've got several, socialising with friends (if you haven't worked out what friends are by now I'm not going to explain it too you), Martial Arts, Rock climbing, Sailing, I play the guitar, keep animals the list goes on. About the only thing I don't do is waste away on my couch drinking beer after beer while watching trashy cable TV
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Have you thought about picking up a hobby, something non internet related ?
.I only post on a couple of forums; actually this is the main one. I realise you split your time pretty radically between all those Neo-Nazi and minority hate group websites
.Ever thought of getting a hobby yourself? Something not related to making a tit of yourself?
Quote:I know this is a hard concept for you to grasp, but it was a reply to both something you said and a reply someone made to you, wasn't it
Doesn't even take a reply to me or a reply to what someone else said ABOUT me, you still are compelled to post something.
.I mean hell, we have to point everything out to you don't we.
Quote:You should see a psychiatrist; your mind must be a fascinating place, in a barren desert filled with little more than tumbleweed kind of a way...
Never any substance w/ you folks, but plenty of vitriol. Bravo!
It’s simply amazing how you so consistently manage to accuse others of being, well you.
Now back to following what you’re told by Fox news while you waste your life away watching TV drinking your liver into Cirrhosis…
Wouldn’t want to interrupt your daily routine now would I
.More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
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Quote:Some of this is good, okay, but nothing here anybody else could not have done half awake. No hard or astounding work here. And balanced against the bad and/or questionable aspects, it's pretty weak, I'm afraid.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
But can you site anything good that Bush has done (That isn't good for just big corporations, I mean)?
Chrisisall?
Well, there's no reason you can't accept the tax cuts as being good for everybody. The high tide raises all boats, big and small. That's the benefit of a strong economy, which are the result in large part to tax cuts.
I'd add Justies Roberts and Alito. Both extremely well qualified.
Also, some Fed Appeals Court appointees. I see those as being very good, but understand that time will tell.
Appointing Condoleeza Rice as the first black female Sec. of State. That's very good.
Killing the Kyoto Treaty. I'm very glad he did that, and see it as all good.
Wake up, my friend, this is a case where the minority is thrilled with a loser.
Chrisisall
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I was replyinng to signym's post:
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I'm angry at Auraptor, who is right there with the prez in terms of neurons and morality. (few and none respectively). It's like I say....
And I replied w/ a request of him showing where MY morals were on display. He doesn't even know anything about me, and he's making value judgements based on speculation.
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Chrisisall?
Killing the Kyoto Treaty. I'm very glad he did that, and see it as all good.
WHAT!!!!! I'm sorry, I don't normally get involved in the Politics threads (not because I don't have opinions but because I'm not a big fan of arguements), but I just had to comment on this.
Are you really serious that you think it is a good thing that Bush refuses to own up to the large part America is playing in the destruction of the planet or do anything about solving it?
Maybe you were anti the Kyoto Principle because it didn't go far enough. This is certainly tru, as even if it was implemented the first time it was proposed it would only go about a quarter of the way to stemming the flood of damage caused by carbon emissions. Still, I have to tell you that America's refusal to have anything to do with trying to fix this problem has caused a lot of bad feeling.
I was in a pub the other day (in th UK) and someone raised this topic and out of the 20 or so people there there was universal condemnation of the US for their arrogant selfishness on this issue. In fact there got to be such an uncomfortable atmosphere of hatred of America that I had to point out that all the Americans I have personally met are decent and concientious people who disagree with the outrageous politics of their country. One day I hope to see that the most powerful county in the world will actually start to reflect the morals of some of its inhabitants (actually any morals at all would be good!).
Anyway, I'm probably inviting a lot of people to start shouting at me now so I'm running away to do some work!!
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Some of this is good, okay, but nothing here anybody else could not have done half awake. No hard or astounding work here.
I was asked to give examples, and I gave examples. Getting tax cuts passed does take an act of Congress, literally! ( FYI, the phrase, " it takes an act of congress to get this done " is sometimes used here to refer to something which won't get done unless a tremendous amount of time/effort is put into said task. Essentially, saying that means it won't get done at all, or that if it is, it'll be so screwed up by completion that it truly will have been a waste of time.
Much of what goes on in Washington D.C. does defy logic. The 'inside the beltway' mindset becomes distorted and disconnected w/ the rest of the nation. You say it doesn't take much to got done what Bush accomplished. And normally, that SHOULD be the case, and yet no one DID do it until he got there. Thanks to the bureaucracy. of D.C., what most folks agree 'should' be done never sees the light of day. And much which never should occur happens on a daily basis ( eg) Patrick Kennedy sideswiping a police car, smashing into a concrete barrier, staggering out of the car and NOT getting charged w/ a DUI. Even AFTER he claimed he had no memory of those events! Anyone else does the same thing, they're in jail But a KENNEDY does it....the police drive him home, tuck him in bed and calls the tow service to take his wrecked car away.
And yes, Patrick Kennedy is a Democrat, from Rhode Island, and son of Senator TED Kennedy.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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I was in a pub the other day (in th UK) and someone raised this topic and out of the 20 or so people there there was universal condemnation of the US for their arrogant selfishness on this issue. In fact there got to be such an uncomfortable atmosphere of hatred of America that I had to point out that all the Americans I have personally met are decent and concientious people who disagree with the outrageous politics of their country. One day I hope to see that the most powerful county in the world will actually start to reflect the morals of some of its inhabitants (actually any morals at all would be good!).
I'd suggest you drink at another pub. Folks there are clearly uninformed. The US isn't in the least bit 'arrogant or selfish' on this issue. There's a great deal of demagoguing going on here, and fanning the flames of discontent. The Kyoto treaty wouldn't remotely come close to it's objective. It's primary accomplishment would be to punish the USA economically while turning a blind eye to other nations which pollute w/ out any recourse.
Cheers
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Patrick Kenedy or Dick Cheney, it don't make a difference. They do what they want, get away with it, and we watch. We can call them on it, or make excuses for them, as our own comfort demands; these boys are above the law.
Uneasy with the idea that we are 'little people'?
Is that why you must allign yourself with the power?
They care nothing for us.
Watch Serenity Chrisisall
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Chrisisall?
Killing the Kyoto Treaty. I'm very glad he did that, and see it as all good.
WHAT!!!!!
Well, I didn't mean this in particular was good...
I don't think anything we do now can stop global warming, however I DO think it's not taken seriously enough, and as such, will be a problem we 'suddenly' become aware of as it's teeth begin to be felt in our collective posterior.
Chrisisall ouch now
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Some of this is good, okay, but nothing here anybody else could not have done half awake. No hard or astounding work here.
I was asked to give examples, and I gave examples. Getting tax cuts passed does take an act of Congress, literally! ( FYI, the phrase, " it takes an act of congress to get this done " is sometimes used here to refer to something which won't get done unless a tremendous amount of time/effort is put into said task. Essentially, saying that means it won't get done at all, or that if it is, it'll be so screwed up by completion that it truly will have been a waste of time.
I'm sorry AU, but that is BS of the highest order. Under normal curcumstances, you would be correct, but those are tax breaks, for Christ's sake! They make congress look good, and whatever makes congress look good, congress will do. The only effort it took was having someone write up the proposal, and then signing the act.
As for whether tax cuts were good, I think they were a monumental mistake. Not only does it clearly favor the rich, it only digs us deeper into our nation's economic grave. With the national debt now over 9 TRILLION DOLLARS, how does reducing government income help pay it off? Plus, while the average Joe might get $500 extra, welthy people end up with enough to buy some more real estate, or invest more, or do whatever the hell it is that rich folks do to make themselves richer.
You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.
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* AURaptor posted: Never any substance w/ you folks, but plenty of vitriol. Bravo!
You should see a psychiatrist; your mind must be a fascinating place, in a barren desert filled with little more than tumbleweed kind of a way...
It’s simply amazing how you so consistently manage to accuse others of being, well you.
Now back to following what you’re told by Fox news while you waste your life away watching TV drinking your liver into Cirrhosis…
No vitriol? Here's your reply to ONE post -
Suggesting I drink beer on the couch while watching (fox news/trashy cable t.v.) as a daily routine.
You claim I frequent neo nazi/ minority hate group sites.
You suggest I should see a psychatrist
Now, the facts : I rarely even WATCH t.v. , but when I do, its generally sports, the Sci Fi channel, History Channel, or something along those lines. Hardly anything 'trashy'. One need not watch cable news for more than 10 minutes, because all they do is just repeat the same stuff over and over. CNN, FOX, it doesn't matter. The Weather Channel has more impact on my life than does FOX NEWS.
Neo Nazi sites? I might have been to one, just to see how disturbed and sad those folks are. But leave it to you to take the broad swipe and accuse me of being racists. It's all you've got.
Funny how YOU describe me as how YOU really are. Maybe that's your own psych's speak coming out in you again. How long has it been since your last session?
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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As for whether tax cuts were good, I think they were a monumental mistake. Not only does it clearly favor the rich, it only digs us deeper into our nation's economic grave. With the national debt now over 9 TRILLION DOLLARS, how does reducing government income help pay it off? Plus, while the average Joe might get $500 extra, welthy people end up with enough to buy some more real estate, or invest more, or do whatever the hell it is that rich folks do to make themselves richer.
They favor the 'rich' because the 'rich' were paying far too much in taxes in the 1st place. If you're going to CUT taxes, you can't cut taxes on folks who aren't paying taxes in the 1st place! Fact 2, is that the US has INCREASED its revenue that it receive from all taxes. How's that again? Yep. Tax cuts actually stimulated the economy and INCREASED the amount of $$ raised by the Gov't via taxes. It's not the tax cuts that are the cause of the deficit, but the excessive spending. Thank Bush FOR the tax cuts, or we'd be in a worse situation . ( Granted, a situating he helped create w/ his expansion of the Fed Gov't. But ALL of Congress share the blame there, not just W. )
Yes, the rich continue to do what has gotten them rich in the first place. They always will. That's called Freedom.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Patrick Kenedy or Dick Cheney, it don't make a difference. They do what they want, get away with it, and we watch. We can call them on it, or make excuses for them, as our own comfort demands; these boys are above the law.
Uneasy with the idea that we are 'little people'?
Is that why you must allign yourself with the power?
They care nothing for us.
Watch Serenity Chrisisall
Certainly you aren't comparing what P.Kennedy did to what happened w/ Dick Cheney, are you?
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I was in a pub the other day (in th UK) and someone raised this topic and out of the 20 or so people there there was universal condemnation of the US for their arrogant selfishness on this issue. In fact there got to be such an uncomfortable atmosphere of hatred of America that I had to point out that all the Americans I have personally met are decent and concientious people who disagree with the outrageous politics of their country. One day I hope to see that the most powerful county in the world will actually start to reflect the morals of some of its inhabitants (actually any morals at all would be good!).
I'd suggest you drink at another pub. Folks there are clearly uninformed. The US isn't in the least bit 'arrogant or selfish' on this issue. There's a great deal of demagoguing going on here, and fanning the flames of discontent. The Kyoto treaty wouldn't remotely come close to it's objective. It's primary accomplishment would be to punish the USA economically while turning a blind eye to other nations which pollute w/ out any recourse.
Cheers
Actually, I'd prefer to keep talking (and drinking) with people who are willing to address the problems of the world and what we can do about them!
Yes, as I said, the Kyoto Protocol has some problems. I personally agree that developing nations should not be totally exempt (although saying they cannot industrialise at all does seem a little condescending!). However I do feel quite strongly that it is at least a start to addressing this problem and the American administration's refusal to ratify does feel very arrogant and selfish to me.
So far, the US, the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases, has been unwilling to even debate a CO2 threshold. Their CO2 emmisions continue to rise.
President Bush's chief climate adviser, James Connaughton, has said he doesn't believe anyone can forecast a safe level (ignoring all the scientific research that has predicted safe levels and absolutely proven that the current levels will be disastrous) and cutting greenhouse gas emissions could harm the world economy.
Well, pardon me for thinking that the richest nation on the planet could perhaps afford to put some economic restrictions on some big businesses if it helped to possibly save the world! We have started to in the UK, it's called Carbon Trading and people can be penalised for polluting above the acceptable limit.
This is something that I feel quite strongly about, that the good of the dollar seems to have been put above that of the planet. I feel that not just the US but the whole western world seems to be becoming more of a Corporate State. Big business rule and control everything. Hmm, bit like Blue Sun, heh? Joss paints an all too believable picture of the future!
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'd suggest you drink at another pub. Folks there are clearly uninformed. The US isn't in the least bit 'arrogant or selfish' on this issue... The Kyoto treaty wouldn't remotely come close to it's objective. It's primary accomplishment would be to punish the USA economically while turning a blind eye to other nations which pollute w/ out any recourse.
Cheers
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
I'm going to have to disagree with you again here, AU. Did you ever consider that to fix what we (primarily) have done, that we might have to make sacrifices for the sake of our children and grandchildren? Apparently not (that is where the "arrogant and selfish" part comes in).
As for turning a blind eye to other nations, did you ever think that maybe that was because they are really, really low on the priority list for emitions? Even Chna, rapidly industrializing without much concern for environmental consequences, doesn't put off nearly as much pollution as the US. The last I heard, there was something like 14-15 million cars on the road in China. Compare that to the US's 180 million, and you see my point.
You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.
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Well, pardon me for thinking that the richest nation on the planet could perhaps afford to put some economic restrictions on some big businesses if it helped to possibly save the world!
I don't buy into the hysteria. You do. This 'saving the world ' business really does pull at one's heart strings, but it's a bunch of hooey,imo.
( And I happen to be looking at the planet from the view point of millions of yrs, not a 50-100 yr snap shot )
Cheers.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by EmmaRigby:
So far, the US, the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases, has been unwilling to even debate a CO2 threshold. Their CO2 emmisions continue to rise.
That's because the US government is owned by the highest bidder. Right now, that happens to be folks who profit from maintaining the current system.
You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
( And I happen to be looking at the planet from the view point of millions of yrs, not a 50-100 yr snap shot )
Maybe you should pay a little more attention to that snapshot. Throughout the Earth's history, the climate does shift. The average temperature will rise and fall by about 1 degree celsius in a century. In the last 100 years, the average temp. rose by 7 degrees celsius. That right there should tell you that something is wrong. The fact that the exponential growth of the problem coincides with the exponential growth of industrial pollution should be some clue as to the cause.
You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.
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Quote:I totally concur, EmmaRigby.
Originally posted by EmmaRigby:
This is something that I feel quite strongly about, that the good of the dollar seems to have been put above that of the planet. I feel that not just the US but the whole western world seems to be becoming more of a Corporate State. Big business rule and control everything. Hmm, bit like Blue Sun, heh? Joss paints an all too believable picture of the future!
Chrisisall
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Well, pardon me for thinking that the richest nation on the planet could perhaps afford to put some economic restrictions on some big businesses if it helped to possibly save the world!
I don't buy into the hysteria. You do. This 'saving the world ' business really does pull at one's heart strings, but it's a bunch of hooey,imo.
( And I happen to be looking at the planet from the view point of millions of yrs, not a 50-100 yr snap shot )
Cheers.
This is very frustrating! I can see that you are the type of person who dismisses anything you don't agree with without bothering to actually consider the opposite point of view. There are an awful lot of scientific findings to back up this 'hysteria'. Just take a look at how fast the poles are melting. You are quite right that the planet will still be there in a million years but personally I am more concerned with how there will be a 4 degree temperature increase in the next 50-100 years that will cause vast climate shifts and sea level rises, since that is the period in which I'll be living and I happen to live on an island!
But you're right. The droughts and flooding will primarily affect the third world (they're half a world away and poor!) and the species that are already becoming extinct are just animals, who needs them?
Sorry for the bitter rant but I really do wish that I could get everyone to care about this as much as I do. It might actually make a difference.
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Quote:Exponential, coincides, industrial- these are just hard words.
Originally posted by reaverman:
The fact that the exponential growth of the problem coincides with the exponential growth of industrial pollution should be some clue as to the cause.
I prefer: crap in air=hotter air=smaller ice=more water=bad Chrisisall
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Originally posted by EmmaRigby:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Well, pardon me for thinking that the richest nation on the planet could perhaps afford to put some economic restrictions on some big businesses if it helped to possibly save the world!
I don't buy into the hysteria. You do. This 'saving the world ' business really does pull at one's heart strings, but it's a bunch of hooey,imo.
( And I happen to be looking at the planet from the view point of millions of yrs, not a 50-100 yr snap shot )
Cheers.
You are quite right that the planet will still be there in a million years but personally I am more concerned with how there will be a 4 degree temperature increase in the next 50-100 years that will cause vast climate shifts and sea level rises, since that is the period in which I'll be living and I happen to live on an island!
But you're right. The droughts and flooding will primarily affect the third world (they're half a world away and poor!) and the species that are already becoming extinct are just animals, who needs them?
Sorry for the bitter rant but I really do wish that I could get everyone to care about this as much as I do. It might actually make a difference.
Oh, but when I was younger and far more naive, I did buy into this whole 'save the planet' stuff. I donated to Greenpeace. Save the cute, fluffy baby seals, and such. And we can agree that breathing clean air is prefereable to dirty air. Same goes for drinking clean water. But there is a sinister campaign going on here that's using the general publics lack of knowledge on global weather cycles , as well as the oscillation of the sun's radiant energy over time, that has more to do w/ politics than the enviroment.
Droughts and flooding have been w/ the planet long before man kind even evolved. Volcanos errupt and spew more greenhouse gases than the entire history of the United Staes, of all humanity combined, and you think we can do something about global warming ??
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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In the last 100 years, the average temp. rose by 7 degrees celsius.
I've seen some wild claims before. That's the first time I've seen one like that.
That's 12 degrees on AVERAGE? In 100 yrs?
I'm not buying it, sorry.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Look it up, AU.
Edit: try a site that isn't sposored by the Republican Party (or the Democratic party for that matter)
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Quote:Why shouldn't I say things like that? You told me all I do is 'live on the net' based on a single coincidence where I happened to be checking e-mails while you made a post. I’m just giving back to you what you dish out, don’t like it, stop doing it to other people. My god daughter is three years old and she’s learnt that, why do you have so much trouble with it.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
No vitriol? Here's your reply to ONE post -
Suggesting I drink beer on the couch while watching (fox news/trashy cable t.v.) as a daily routine.
You claim I frequent neo nazi/ minority hate group sites.
You suggest I should see a psychatrist
You do far more of this sort of thing than me or anyone else here save PirateNews, so you have absolutely no right to accuse anyone (save PirateNews) of vitriol.
Quote:Oh I've got plenty on you. I realise you've got some semblance of morals, I know you're not a monster, which is, getting back to vitriol a far more generous statement than you've ever sent my way. That's why you don't like the racist charge, but when you make comments like "all Muslims are terrorists!" that's a racist comment (or religosist, which is pretty much the same thing, if you wish to split hairs), and you make them all the time.
Neo Nazi sites? I might have been to one, just to see how disturbed and sad those folks are. But leave it to you to take the broad swipe and accuse me of being racists. It's all you've got.
There was some irate woman on the news the other week, she was going to vote BNP (British
"I'm not a racist, but it's all because of the blacks, they're the ones to blame!"
While your blaming Muslims or Illegal immigrants or whoever for all the problems of the world, and judging all of them on the actions of a few, while saying "I'm not a racist!" you sound just like her.
I hope that if I keep pointing it out you'll actually look at your comments and eventually wake up, or you'll carry on thinking the only reason I say it is because I have a deep felt need to insult you. Unfortunatly given your track record the latter is far more likely.
Quote:Funny how you can't insult me at all, all you can do is copy paste what I've said to you, like I said you can't think for yourself. Very sad.
Funny how YOU describe me as how YOU really are. Maybe that's your own psych's speak coming out in you again. How long has it been since your last session?
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Originally posted by EmmaRigby:
This is very frustrating! I can see that you are the type of person who dismisses anything you don't agree with without bothering to actually consider the opposite point of view.
Well look AU, someone’s summed you up within a few moments of speaking to you. This is your que to slip away to convince yourself it really is everyone else’s problem.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
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Sorry RM, don't think he is interested in facts.
and thanks Emma for standing up for us... great points...
AUr, u claim not to be interested in 'trashy tv' yet u focus on the political "soap opera" who got was drunk driving this week. actors, politicians, and sports figures get breaks.... a tiny speck on the landscape of issues.
You trust scientists to develop drugs to make you feel better and but not the ones that warn of GW. That is why hundreds of scientists have gone to freeze their ass off at the poles to do studies. They wake up in the morning, (just like the ones who created the internet, traffic lights, and the polio vaccine) "OK, how can I freak out the US public today"
So what is hysteria:
our politicians are all drunks,
can Terry Shiavo die..
scan every citizen to make sure they are not a terrorist...
notice how the color coded terrorist alerts faded after the election..
So easy to see how a small (by excluding most of its members input) political camp can get hysteria started… find it hard to believe many scientists from all over, who do not all regularly convene, can start a worldwide panic. (some yes, all no)
…and I am afraid third world countries will not be the only affected by the warming... I live on the NC coast (so lemme guess, move, our country’s roots are only here) and had to actually live through these 'canes... I know it has changed in my lifetime. So, rather than just bitching I am actually trying to promote fuel alternatives in my area. We’ll never get action from the top on this.
So, one of the reasons we all developed many societies of the past in northernly, colder climates, (or most likely these groups succeeded unknowingly) we didn't have power to fight the diseases that grow in hot, humid climates... well the ability of diseases to flourish naturally in the environment is coming sooner than we think… we count on our scientists to fight those don’t we... will that be hysteria?
tell me the admission price to your fantasy world, i might be better off.
and BTW,
PINATUBO (1991) -- Mt. Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines on June 15, 1991, and one month later Mt. Hudson in southern Chile also erupted. The Pinatubo eruption produced the largest sulfur oxide cloud this century. The combined aerosol plume of Mt. Pinatubo and Mt. Hudson diffused around the globe in a matter of months. The data collected after these eruptions show that mean world temperatures decreased by about 1 degree Centigrade over the subsequent two years. This cooling effect was welcomed by many scientists who saw it as a counter-balance to global warming.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Well look AU, someone’s summed you up within a few moments of speaking to you. This is your que to slip away to convince yourself it really is everyone else’s problem.
I think "AU" is an interesting choice for the beginning of a name (considering that 'AU' is a fairly common acronym for 'Alternate Universe') . Though it would explain a lot of his viewpoints...
You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.
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Originally posted by reaverman:Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Well look AU, someone’s summed you up within a few moments of speaking to you. This is your que to slip away to convince yourself it really is everyone else’s problem.
I think "AU" is an interesting choice for the beginning of a name (considering that 'AU' is a fairly common acronym for 'Alternate Universe') . Though it would explain a lot of his viewpoints...
You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.
It also is the common abbreviation for 'Australia', Auburn University, Astronomical Unit, and is the symbol for GOLD on the periodic table. But Alternate Universe is a new one.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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So, you think that me correctly pointing out that the 'coincidence' of you taking 2 minutes to respond to one of my post and jokingly saying you must 'live on the internet' equates to you calling ME a racist? 
But I do like how you've distorted the whole muslim issue WAY out of context. Yes, I did say muslims should speak out more against the violence of their terrorist nut case bretheren. Are you going to say you're ok w/ their virtual silence? But you'd rather focus on ME and what I've stated ( true as it is ) instead of dealing w/ the bigger problem. I find that damn curious. But how you draw a conclusion that I'm some how a racist only shows to me that you've got nothing else to use in your arsenal toward me, so you break out the 'racism' card. And did ya ever think that folks might not like being called racist because they aren't, in fact, racist ? Advanced idea , for you, I'm guessing.
And how am I suppose to defend MYSELF over something you saw last week, regarding what some lady in England said??? You accuse me with HER damn words! How fucking lame is THAT ? You can't support YOUR claims toward me, so you use some lady 1000's of miles away, from some political party I've never even HEARD of, and you think that somehow justifies you baseless charges levied against me?
If ever you wish to step out into the real world and have a fact based discussion, let me know. Until then, I'll let you wallow in your fantasy world of your own mind.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by pdcharles:
Sorry RM, don't think he is interested in facts.
and thanks Emma for standing up for us... great points...
AUr, u claim not to be interested in 'trashy tv' yet u focus on the political "soap opera" who got was drunk driving this week. actors, politicians, and sports figures get breaks.... a tiny speck on the landscape of issues.
You trust scientists to develop drugs to make you feel better and but not the ones that warn of GW. That is why hundreds of scientists have gone to freeze their ass off at the poles to do studies. They wake up in the morning, (just like the ones who created the internet, traffic lights, and the polio vaccine) "OK, how can I freak out the US public today"
So what is hysteria:
our politicians are all drunks,
can Terry Shiavo die..
scan every citizen to make sure they are not a terrorist...
notice how the color coded terrorist alerts faded after the election..
So easy to see how a small (by excluding most of its members input) political camp can get hysteria started… find it hard to believe many scientists from all over, who do not all regularly convene, can start a worldwide panic. (some yes, all no)
…and I am afraid third world countries will not be the only affected by the warming... I live on the NC coast (so lemme guess, move, our country’s roots are only here) and had to actually live through these 'canes... I know it has changed in my lifetime. So, rather than just bitching I am actually trying to promote fuel alternatives in my area. We’ll never get action from the top on this.
So, one of the reasons we all developed many societies of the past in northernly, colder climates, (or most likely these groups succeeded unknowingly) we didn't have power to fight the diseases that grow in hot, humid climates... well the ability of diseases to flourish naturally in the environment is coming sooner than we think… we count on our scientists to fight those don’t we... will that be hysteria?
tell me the admission price to your fantasy world, i might be better off.
and BTW,
PINATUBO (1991) -- Mt. Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines on June 15, 1991, and one month later Mt. Hudson in southern Chile also erupted. The Pinatubo eruption produced the largest sulfur oxide cloud this century. The combined aerosol plume of Mt. Pinatubo and Mt. Hudson diffused around the globe in a matter of months. The data collected after these eruptions show that mean world temperatures decreased by about 1 degree Centigrade over the subsequent two years. This cooling effect was welcomed by many scientists who saw it as a counter-balance to global warming.
It's clear from your post that you're dealing w/ all sorts of issues that don't involve me. Patrick Kennedy isn't a t.v. show, or a 'political soap opera', but an actual congressman who actually got away w/ a DUI. Just like his daddy did, so many yrs ago, only Patrick didn't kill anyone.
Terry Shiavo? I've never said word one about that, other than it was a yawner of a story , use by both political parties here in the US. Don't know why you brought that issue up w/ me.
Scan every citizen ...like they're doing ( or NOT doing ) in the airports ? Again, I've made very few comments on that, so I don't know what your issue w/ me is on that.
Weather and climates ALWAYS change. You live under the false , human centric view that things would be serene and constant were it not for those meddling humans, especially those evil , money driven capitalist! I've got news for you, this planet is a mutha. Life, evolution, is not always jst the pretty, cute little seal pups or bear cubs frolicing in a pasture. There was an inland sea across the middle of America long before ( 100 million yrs ago ) Henry Ford produced one automobile.
Per your Mt Pinatubo post, it shows me how resiliant this planet is. Eruptions and venting from the Earth is constantly occuring, if not always in such dramatic fashion.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once
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Quote:Spinning like a crazy top eh. I didn't, I likened it to calling you a couch potatoe, do try to keep up.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, you think that me correctly pointing out that the 'coincidence' of you taking 2 minutes to respond to one of my post and jokingly saying you must 'live on the internet' equates to you calling ME a racist?
Quote:No you said all Muslims were either terrorists or supporters thereof. I didn't twist your words, I quoted them, direct and unadulterated, I notice you are unable to do the same.
But I do like how you've distorted the whole muslim issue WAY out of context. Yes, I did say muslims should speak out more against the violence of their terrorist nut case bretheren.
Quote:Nope, but then they aren't silent. To be honest I'm more worried about your complete inability to recognise this.
Are you going to say you're ok w/ their virtual silence?
Quote:Well I'm just a veritable crystal ball. For everyone else AURaptor is replying to a post of mine from another thread, in which I said:
But you'd rather focus on ME and what I've stated ( true as it is ) instead of dealing w/ the bigger problem.
Let me guess, this isn't a racist (religosist which is the same thing, since I'm sure you're going to try to split hairs) comment because it really is Muslims that are the problem, right.
And as we see AU essentially says here "it's not racism because they are the problem."
Quote:And did you ever think that racists might not like being called racist? Or that maybe you can't realise your racist? Advanced concept for you I get that.
And did ya ever think that folks might not like being called racist because they aren't, in fact, racist ? Advanced idea , for you, I'm guessing.
Quote:No, try to keep up, I said despite her protestations she is a racist, and things you say sound very similar. I used a like for like example to illustrate my point, and I accused you with your own damn words.
And how am I suppose to defend MYSELF over something you saw last week, regarding what some lady in England said??? You accuse me with HER damn words!
Quote:No where near as lame as you being completely unable to disprove anything I have said, save to say "It's not true". I hope your not a lawyer, if you were you'd of starved to death years ago.
How fucking lame is THAT ?
Quote:Well actually I have. All you've done is say "It's not true" without any backing up of that statement. The only person not supporting any claims around here is you not that, that fact should shock anyone I'm sure.
You can't support YOUR claims toward me,
Quote:I've had plenty of fact based discussions, again the only person who hasn't here is you. Most people ignore you for just that reason.
If ever you wish to step out into the real world and have a fact based discussion, let me know. Until then, I'll let you wallow in your fantasy world of your own mind.
As and when I want fact based discussions, I like everyone else here will not even considered having one with you.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
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This is the only comment directed towards you
"AUr, u claim not to be interested in 'trashy tv' yet u focus on the political "soap opera" who got was drunk driving this week. actors, politicians, and sports figures get breaks.... a tiny speck on the landscape of issues. " people of all kinds, even those in power are not perfect.
the rest was my response to the hysteria claim that i have heard from many... not at you... please.. like i have seen u say so many times "did u even read my post"
u keep talking about millions of years... why? I understand the dynamics of the mother earth. U claim we can't do anything about it in the period of time that we will ACTUALLY Live. Thats crazy... ...and yes there were great floods from wisconsin all the way to the left coast. So... all the continents were once a great continent called "Pangea"... and your right, can't do anything about that...
Henry ford also dreamed we could grew a car from the soil. http://www.hempcar.org/ford.shtml yet we are the only industralized country that does not use commercial hemp. (and u can't smoke commercial hemp, before u get excited)
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citizen - I completely disproved your idiotic claims, yet you want to continue to use the R card because you're a fucking idiot who can't think for himself. If I say I'm not a racist, then ,in your world that makes me a racist.
Well, I guess it's fair to call you a child molester. Citizen, have you stopped molesting your child ? Why not ?
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Droughts and flooding have been w/ the planet long before man kind even evolved. Volcanos errupt and spew more greenhouse gases than the entire history of the United Staes, of all humanity combined, and you think we can do something about global warming ??
Okay, I'm gonna make one final appeal here. Please could you consider the possibility, just for a moment, that the other people on this thread (not to mention a tonne of scientific evidence) might possibly be right about pollution we produce causing severe harm to the environment in our lifetime. What would it cost you to participate in the 'hysterical hooey' by using your car less, switching off lights, backing 'green' political initiatives? Maybe a little time and effort but actually in the long term you'd be saving money.
If you are right that there is nothing that we can do about global warming then in 50 years time (if I'm still alive in what I suspect would be a very unpleasant world) I'd be happy to receive your mockery. If I'm right then your children will be extremely grateful for the effort you made and there will be a very special hell reserved for all those who sat back and washed their hands of (or denied the existance of) the problem.
I'm probably fighting a loosing battle here (both for the world and with you) but hey! Ain't that what browncoats are famous for!
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and u can't smoke commercial hemp, before u get excited)
Dammit all to hell, why not ?
And yes, I read your post. If you have some broad brush by which you want to paint folks who are NOT me, fine. But take time to distinquish a bit more before you post. That's all.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:And in your world saying "I'm not a racist" makes it so. It doesn't, in case you were wondering, I know you have a problem telling the difference between what you say and what is reality.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
If I say I'm not a racist, then ,in your world that makes me a racist.
Quote:I don't have a child AU, have you stopped molesting yours while beating your wife? Now stop looking at child pornography and pay attention you dirty little horse rapist.
Well, I guess it's fair to call you a child molester. Citizen, have you stopped molesting your child ? Why not ?
You're still a racist, I've backed up what I've said, and you've still not done anything but say "it's not racism because they are the problem" which is, in its own right, a racist comment.
Now either back up your above accusation, or apologise, let’s see if you are man enough to do that?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
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Quote:auraptor, you are a f!!!ing IDIOT!!
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Weather and climates ALWAYS change. You live under the false , human centric view that things would be serene and constant were it not for those meddling humans, especially those evil , money driven capitalist! I've got news for you, this planet is a mutha. Life, evolution, is not always jst the pretty, cute little seal pups or bear cubs frolicing in a pasture. There was an inland sea across the middle of America long before ( 100 million yrs ago ) Henry Ford produced one automobile.
Capitalists made this country, and keep it going, and if you don't like it go home to Russia- can't, huh? They died out due to not being capitalist!
And evolution- your sad attempt to get and keep God out of the picture! Scifi can be fun, but God runs us all- even YOU you dumb anti-Christian!! What purpose of His you serve I can't imagine- maybe to remind us what stupid s!!!heads non-believers are.
This is the world He made, just as it is and ever will be until the Rapture.
George Bush knows this and it's why we believers love him as he loves God.
Auraptor, you are my enemy now- there are many here i think!
hey-my first post!
TheRightStuff
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:And in your world saying "I'm not a racist" makes it so. It doesn't, in case you were wondering, I know you have a problem telling the difference between what you say and what is reality.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
If I say I'm not a racist, then ,in your world that makes me a racist.Quote:I don't have a child AU, have you stopped molesting yours while beating your wife? Now stop looking at child pornography and pay attention you dirty little horse rapist.
Well, I guess it's fair to call you a child molester. Citizen, have you stopped molesting your child ? Why not ?
You're still a racist, I've backed up what I've said, and you've still not done anything but say "it's not racism because they are the problem" which is, in its own right, a racist comment.
Now either back up your above accusation, or apologise, let’s see if you are man enough to do that?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.
Stop molesting other peoples children, child molesting freak.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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And evolution- your sad attempt to get and keep God out of the picture! Scifi can be fun, but God runs us all- even YOU you dumb anti-Christian!!
What purpose of His you serve I can't imagine- maybe to remind us what stupid s!!!heads non-believers are.
This is the world He made, just as it is and ever will be until the Rapture.
That's just too funny for words. Anti-Christian? Sorry, you'll have to wait until your number is called. I'm still busy being anti-Muslim.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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The fact that the American people aren’t rioting in the streets in protest of our current administration, and have put up with all kinds of violations of the constitution, and people rights, and also sat by and watched its own troops attack a country that had nothing to do with 9-11 in a total violation of everything this country stands for really shows ourselves, and the whole world what a what a bunch of dumb asses we really are.
We are going to get what we deserve in the end. We have no excuse.
River
P.S. I'm a Republican when it comes to making money, but I’m also a Liberal and Democrat when it comes to people.
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Quote:You don't know my number, but yours is 666, like every one else who has to pick on President Bush to be cool. Muslim is evil, but so are most Americans polled as hating Bush! Extreme terrorism waits to knock on our very doors, yet President Bush is wrong to send troops???????
Originally posted by AURaptor:
That's just too funny for words. Anti-Christian? Sorry, you'll have to wait until your number is called. I'm still busy being anti-Muslim.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
Hate Muslim all you want it doesn't get the job done.
And to river6123,
anarchist dumb ass! You must choose a side!
TheRightStuff
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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
The fact that the American people aren’t rioting in the streets in protest of our current administration, and have put up with all kinds of violations of the constitution, and people rights, and also sat by and watched its own troops attack a country that had nothing to do with 9-11 in a total violation of everything this country stands for really shows ourselves, and the whole world what a what a bunch of dumb asses we really are.
We are going to get what we deserve in the end. We have no excuse.
River
P.S. I'm a Republican when it comes to making money, but I’m also a Liberal and Democrat when it comes to people.
That would probably be because no violations to the constitution and no one's rights are being threatend. And Iraq wasn't about 9/11. How many fucking times does that have to be repeated? We went into AFGHANISTAN a full year before going into Iraq. There were 10+ YEARS of Iraq violating UN sanctions, 17 Resolutions and a 15-0 U.N. Security vote leading up to Iraq that didn't have ONE GAD DAMN THING to do w/ 9/11 !!!
How fucking stupid are you people?
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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You don't know my number, but yours is 666, like every one else who has to pick on President Bush to be cool. Muslim is evil, but so are most Americans polled as hating Bush! Extreme terrorism waits to knock on our very doors, yet President Bush is wrong to send troops???????
Hate Muslim all you want it doesn't get the job done.
And to river6123,
anarchist dumb ass! You must choose a side!
TheRightStuff
Yeah, I know your number. It's 867-5309!
My number is 10 digits, not 3, but if you're trying to ask me out for a date, don't bother. Don't know how you got me confused w/ the typical Bush hater on this board, nor do I care all that much. People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:How can people believe this garbage?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
. And Iraq wasn't about 9/11. "
It was to get the terrorists plane and simple!!
It was not a war for oil as some here say all the time! You don't hate President Bush you say but you keep these lies going. Sadamm was a TERRORIST you dumb ass!!!
If you say the war in Iraq is for oil or it's just to get Americans killed than you miss the point, and will be judged for that.
TheRightStuff
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:Quote:And in your world saying "I'm not a racist" makes it so. It doesn't, in case you were wondering, I know you have a problem telling the difference between what you say and what is reality.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
If I say I'm not a racist, then ,in your world that makes me a racist.Quote:I don't have a child AU, have you stopped molesting yours while beating your wife? Now stop looking at child pornography and pay attention you dirty little horse rapist.
Well, I guess it's fair to call you a child molester. Citizen, have you stopped molesting your child ? Why not ?
You're still a racist, I've backed up what I've said, and you've still not done anything but say "it's not racism because they are the problem" which is, in its own right, a racist comment.
Now either back up your above accusation, or apologise, let’s see if you are man enough to do that?
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Stop molesting other peoples children, child molesting freak.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
Stop being a racist, you child molesting horse raping donkey sucking freak.
Guess you weren't man enough, no surprise there.
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Quote:I'd bet real money that River has excreted things more intelligent than you.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
How fucking stupid are you people?
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I usually enjoy heated battles with a bit more content (such as 7% vs Finn), but this Citizen vs AURaptor fight is great entertainment too! 
Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.
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Well you know, I work with what I'm given, 7% and Finn are both really intelligent people, I've got someone who wouldn't know content if it smacked him round the face with an encyclopedia. But if I can foster a laugh against all adversity, that's good too.
Personally I'm waiting to see what happens to TheRightStuff if he stay's here much longer, now that is going to be fun and spectacular...
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Wow, TheRightStuff, are you some psycho religious fanatic or something? You make AURaptor seem like a bleeding-heart, Bush-hating liberal.
But welcome to the board. Just don't be surprised if you find either a lot of antagonism to your points of view, or if you simply get ignored. Judging by your first three posts, I doubt too many people here will have much in common with your world-view.
Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Well you know, I work with what I'm given, 7% and Finn are both really intelligent people, I've got someone who wouldn't know content if it smacked him round the face with an encyclopedia. But if I can foster a laugh against all adversity, that's good too.
Don't worry, I know that you're very much capable of 7%/Finn type discussions. But a proper discussion can only be as good as one's opponent is at giving reasonable arguments, so it's no wonder it's come to this and it's great fun too.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Personally I'm waiting to see what happens to TheRightStuff if he stay's here much longer, now that is going to be fun and spectacular...
Lol, agreed. Oh man, imagine PirateNews vs The RightStuff! That'll be brilliant!
Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.
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Quote:I doubt that you will see the chance, aruapter is a fool, and you seem to be in it with him. It's all a joke teasing the President of the United States. He' a good man and believes in God and unlike the lot of you will surely live in Heaven along side the Lord when his day comes. The rest of you will reside at ths sides of Sadamm and Hitler and Clinton in Hell. Mass murders and adulterers all.
Originally posted by citizen:
Personally I'm waiting to see what happens to TheRightStuff if he stay's here much longer, now that is going to be fun and spectacular...
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I came here because my friend rented Serenity, and the operative showed us how to repent and save the captain like we can save each other in real life but you have to be willing to LISTEN fisrt!!! Does it take a sword strike to cut you so you will listen??????
going back to the REAL Christian sites, you heathens suck.
TheRightStuff
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Quote:To be religious is not to be a fanatic. And I know auraptor hates President Bush, it seems like everybody here does that's why it sucks and I'm not coming back.
Originally posted by Khyron:
Wow, TheRightStuff, are you some psycho religious fanatic or something? You make AURaptor seem like a bleeding-heart, Bush-hating liberal.
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Find peace in the Lord
TheRightStuff
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pmsl!
Okay, two theories:
i) TheRightStuff = religious nut = loads of laughs; or
ii) TheRightStuff = alter ego of someone on this board meant to be an elaborate joke = loads of laughs.
Either way, I hope TheRightStuff sticks around, until we get bored of being called heathens. We need more comic relief in RWED.
Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.
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Quote:Behave my son, for your saviour is neigh and he requires forgivness from you not hate.
Originally posted by TheRightStuff:
I doubt that you will see the chance, aruapter is a fool, and you seem to be in it with him. It's all a joke teasing the President of the United States. He' a good man and believes in God and unlike the lot of you will surely live in Heaven along side the Lord when his day comes. The rest of you will reside at ths sides of Sadamm and Hitler and Clinton in Hell. Mass murders and adulterers all.
I came here because my friend rented Serenity, and the operative showed us how to repent and save the captain like we can save each other in real life but you have to be willing to LISTEN fisrt!!! Does it take a sword strike to cut you so you will listen??????
going back to the REAL Christian sites, you heathens suck.
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Quote:OMG!!!!
Originally posted by TheRightStuff:
And I know auraptor hates President Bush, it seems like everybody here does that's why it sucks
AURaptor, ya got yourself a fan!!!
TRS, go to the 'profile' on the bottom of one of his posts; from there you can message him directly to help him see the error of his ways concerning his Bush-hating. You can save him, I know you can!
I love Bush already Chrisisall
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Originally posted by TheRightStuff:
He' a good man and believes in God and unlike the lot of you will surely live in Heaven along side the Lord when his day comes. The rest of you will reside at ths sides of Sadamm and Hitler and Clinton in Hell. Mass murders and adulterers all.
Well, if Bush is going to be in heaven, that's enough reason for me not to want to be there, so I'll just continue on my merry heathen ways.
Heh, who says that religion is too slow to adapt to change? Nowadays, not supporting Bush seems to be a sure way to invite the wrath of God. At least according to TheRightStuff. Any specific scriptures we could look at to verify this?
Repent, heathens, and accept TheRightStuff's righteous judgement!
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
AURaptor, ya got yourself a fan!!!
No he doesn't, he still somehow made it onto TheRightStuff's enemy list.
Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.
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Quote:I'm not his fan or yours. You think I'm stupid, but not as stupid as you. You challenge good with jokes and help evil to spread with lies about the war in Iraq and Bush lieing and untrue evolution messages.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
[BAURaptor, ya got yourself a fan!!!
TRS, go to the 'profile' on the bottom of one of his posts; from there you can message him directly to help him see the error of his ways concerning his Bush-hating. You can save him, I know you can!
I love Bush already Chrisisall
God will stop you like He does on everything.
TheRightStuff
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Quote:As you wish so will you BURN!!!
Originally posted by Khyron:
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Well, if Bush is going to be in heaven, that's enough reason for me not to want to be there, so I'll just continue on my merry heathen ways.
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TheRightStuff
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Quote:Dude, slow down on whatever it is you're drinking, I sense rapid deterioration. Friends don't let friends discuss God drunk
Originally posted by TheRightStuff:
Bush lieing and untrue evolution messages.
God will stop you like He does on everything.
.Oboy Chrisisall
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Originally posted by TheRightStuff:Quote:I doubt that you will see the chance, aruapter is a fool, and you seem to be in it with him. It's all a joke teasing the President of the United States. He' a good man and believes in God and unlike the lot of you will surely live in Heaven along side the Lord when his day comes. The rest of you will reside at ths sides of Sadamm and Hitler and Clinton in Hell. Mass murders and adulterers all.
Originally posted by citizen:
Personally I'm waiting to see what happens to TheRightStuff if he stay's here much longer, now that is going to be fun and spectacular...
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I came here because my friend rented Serenity, and the operative showed us how to repent and save the captain like we can save each other in real life but you have to be willing to LISTEN fisrt!!! Does it take a sword strike to cut you so you will listen??????
going back to the REAL Christian sites, you heathens suck.
TheRightStuff
Are you kidding? Bush is SO going to hell.
River
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Quote:Woman, born of sin can know no better and President Bush is a righteous man. Protecting YOU from gun and nuclear armed men on the night. He has support from all the righteous and righteous at heart.
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
[BAre you kidding? Bush is SO going to hell.
River
You, Aurapter and the rest can burn as they wish.
TheRightStuff
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Quote:Be still your sword. For the way is through forgivness and tolerance, not hatred and anger, my son.
Originally posted by TheRightStuff:Quote:Woman, born of sin can know no better and President Bush is a righteous man. Protecting YOU from gun and nuclear armed men on the night. He has support from all the righteous and righteous at heart.
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Are you kidding? Bush is SO going to hell.
River
You, Aurapter and the rest can burn as they wish.
TheRightStuff
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Originally posted by TheRightStuff:Quote:I doubt that you will see the chance, aruapter is a fool, and you seem to be in it with him. It's all a joke teasing the President of the United States. He' a good man and believes in God and unlike the lot of you will surely live in Heaven along side the Lord when his day comes. The rest of you will reside at ths sides of Sadamm and Hitler and Clinton in Hell. Mass murders and adulterers all.
Originally posted by citizen:
Personally I'm waiting to see what happens to TheRightStuff if he stay's here much longer, now that is going to be fun and spectacular...
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I came here because my friend rented Serenity, and the operative showed us how to repent and save the captain like we can save each other in real life but you have to be willing to LISTEN fisrt!!! Does it take a sword strike to cut you so you will listen??????
going back to the REAL Christian sites, you heathens suck.
TheRightStuff
I know TheRightStuff is joking or is simply a joke, only I just don't know why. Or care all that much either.
Ah yes. I see TRS is a member since... Today! What a shocker.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Padre, your words are true, but TRS's sermons are makin' me sleepy.
Originally posted by citizen:
Be still your sword. For the way is through forgivness and tolerance, not hatred and anger, my son.
(He's not all there, if you take my meaning.)
Doc Chrisisall
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profile created today and only posts in this thread... hmmmmm.....
I am sure "TheRightStuff" user name has no reference to a movie about space exploration; which is made possible by God-hating scientists... How we will all live? :)
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Originally posted by pdcharles:
profile created today and only posts in this thread... hmmmmm.....
I am sure "TheRightStuff" user name has no reference to a movie about space exploration; which is made possible by God-hating scientists... How we will all live? :)
You big dummy, everyone knows that those moon landings were faked! They filmed those things in the desert of New Mexico!
*sarcasm OFF *
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ah yes. I see TRS is a member since... Today! What a shocker.
Yeah, the whole thing's a bit fishy. I'm pretty sure it's somebody who frequents RWED and wanted to make a joke.
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Quote:You've bought into the lies to heathen!
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You big dummy, everyone knows that those moon landings were faked! They filmed those things in the desert of New Mexico!
They were filmed in a studio.
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