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Doctor Who, Season Two Discussion

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 2:39 PM

For all us UK viewers, I thought here would be a good place to discuss your thoughts on the new series (which started yesterday)

Spoilers are hidden at the minute, but this being a thread for UK viewers, you can be sure that one or two may slip out every now and again, so US viewers be aware.


First of all then, what did you all think to "New Earth"?

Although I felt it wasn't "fantastic", I rather enjoyed it. I also liked the fact that Russell T Davies was not content to feature a simple A-B plot for the first episode.
There was quite a lot going on that it could have been a two-part episode.

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First, you'd assume it was about the sisterhood and their miraculous cure, but then Cassandra took over Rose's body. So there was that to deal with. Not only that, but then it turned into an episode of Doctor Who Vs Zombies.
Not only was there the return of Cassandra, but the also face of Boa who, to be fair didn't feature much, did hint at a future reunion. Maybe all will be revealed by the end of the series 2.



Lastly, Billie Piper really stole the show with her performance

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playing Cassandra.


David Tennant hasn't grabbed me as much as Chris Eccleston had in his opening scene in "Rose", but I'm confidant he'll have won me over in no time.
The scene in which he was

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possessed by Cassandra

was hilarious though

Bring on the next episode!



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Sunday, April 16, 2006 4:09 PM

Hey Needy,

I saw New Earth last night too (I live in the North East of England) and loved every second of it. I'm very interested in seeing how Tennant progresses as the Doctor - I loved him in the Christmas Invasion, but that was a taste of things to come that New Earth didn't quite explore (though I did like his almost 'action hero' handling of the situation, particularly

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ziplining down the elevator shaft)



I'm sure we'll see some great stuff next week in Tooth & Claw. "Bullets can't stop it!"

As for Billie - she owned the episode as far as I'm concerned. I remember when she was announced way back before the new season 1 and I wasn't totally convinced (I'm old/young enough to remember her days as a pop starlet, our UK, much-less-trashy version of Britney Spears - since she didn't go all out withthe school uniform in her first video). Throughout series 1 she impressed, but last night she blew me away - the girl's got a comic ability I'd never have expected.

So I'll be glued rigidly to my TV screen next week, and likely every week after.

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 4:37 PM

Really enjoyed the episode (which is surprising as I usually intensely dislike the Russell T Davies written episodes) though I thought the ending let it down, it just didn't seem to make any sense. Also, was very typical of the new Who with it's deux-ex like endings.

If they could cure EVERY disease, why did they need to keep the zombies in the first place? I could understand keeping them infected with diseases they hadn't cured for testing, but keeping them infected with every disease they had cured seemed weird.

For the millions of diseases that exist, there sure were only a few packs needed.

How could a solution designed to be taken IV cure people by just being applied to the skin?

By combining the liquids you'd get something completely different which wouldn't cure anything.

How did the cure get passed along? When they touched the infected, surely they'd just get re-infected not pass on the cure?


If RTD would put some work into fleshing out the plots of his episodes he'd be do much better as a writer. As it is, I still feel he'd be better running the show but letting other people write the episodes.

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 6:02 PM

Needy - I liked the ep but disliked the things you liked about it (though not about Billie, I thought she was great).

I think that there was too much going on in the episode for a season opener. I wasn't sure which storyline I was supposed to be paying most attention too. Far too much crammed in.

Loved David Tennant, such infectious, genuine enthusiasm which I never felt with CE.

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 6:16 PM

I missed the last 10 or so minutes of the first episode because of work but from the bit i saw Billie Piper is a good character. Plus the episode was really good i just wished it was on earlier.

As for the David Tennant i will have to watch more episodes to decide if he was as good or better than the other guy.

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 7:47 PM

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Originally posted by MmmWifeSoup:
Hey Needy,

I saw New Earth last night too (I live in the North East of England) and loved every second of it. I'm very interested in seeing how Tennant progresses as the Doctor - I loved him in the Christmas Invasion, but that was a taste of things to come that New Earth didn't quite explore (though I did like his almost 'action hero' handling of the situation, particularly

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ziplining down the elevator shaft)



I'm sure we'll see some great stuff next week in Tooth & Claw. "Bullets can't stop it!"

As for Billie - she owned the episode as far as I'm concerned. I remember when she was announced way back before the new season 1 and I wasn't totally convinced (I'm old/young enough to remember her days as a pop starlet, our UK, much-less-trashy version of Britney Spears - since she didn't go all out withthe school uniform in her first video). Throughout series 1 she impressed, but last night she blew me away - the girl's got a comic ability I'd never have expected.

So I'll be glued rigidly to my TV screen next week, and likely every week after.

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Ah yes, I'd forgotten about the Doctor's "action hero" scene. I really liked that too

Also, regarding your first reaction to hearing Billie was cast, I didn't know what to make of it.
I know a lot cringed at the thought of the former pop star acting (yes I remember her music too, my sister had her albums and I believe I used to like some of her stuff too *shame*), but I also heard that she was in Canterbury Tales and had pleasantly surprised many by her acting abilities, so I held off judgment.

Now it's hard to imagine the show without her

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 7:57 PM

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Originally posted by chronicthehedgehog:
Really enjoyed the episode (which is surprising as I usually intensely dislike the Russell T Davies written episodes) though I thought the ending let it down, it just didn't seem to make any sense. Also, was very typical of the new Who with it's deux-ex like endings.
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How could a solution designed to be taken IV cure people by just being applied to the skin?

By combining the liquids you'd get something completely different which wouldn't cure anything.

How did the cure get passed along? When they touched the infected, surely they'd just get re-infected not pass on the cure?



I can understand where you're coming from, and I thought that too, but I just shrugged it off. Maybe I shouldn't, but I just figured its a show about adventure and fun, not about heavy science, so I try not to let it bother me.

Same applies to the ending. I know the episode wasn't perfect, but I was entertained on the whole.

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Originally posted by Aramina:
Needy - I liked the ep but disliked the things you liked about it (though not about Billie, I thought she was great).

I think that there was too much going on in the episode for a season opener. I wasn't sure which storyline I was supposed to be paying most attention too. Far too much crammed in.



ITs funny, I thought the same thing about the first episode of Alias Season 5. I hated that episode because of how much plot it crammed in, and how it shamelessly wasted what could have been an emotional story.
I didn't think that with this though. I guess it is all to do with one's opinion, but it kept me on my toes - to have him just dealing with the Sisterhood would have been dull (IMO) - the Rose subplot added a lot of humour (And a superb kissing scene) and then jsut as the sisterhood were threatening to become another lame villain, the zombies turn up and kill them.
I liked it.

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:16 PM

Sing with me Needy...

"Why ya gotta play that song so loud? Because we want to...because we want to."

Ah, such humble Billie beginnings - she even survived Chris Evans (to our American friends, NOT the guy from Fantastic Four - I don't know who the American equivalent would be - our Evans was a ginger-haired radio and TV personality - I'm guessing maybe Howard Stern for similarities, but with less appeal?). Now she's basically the queen of Saturday night prime time.

Another reason for my love of the new Doctor Who is the fact that we Brits are finally starting to get back into the genre filmmaking arena - for years we had Hammer Horror, stuff like Quatermass etc and alongside Dr Who had a relatively decent output of horror/sci-fi, but in more recent years the focus shifted and all we seemed to do was naff comedy and poor Mockney gangster stuff. Now the new 'Who' is starting to reignite a lot of the love of genre that I always felt was dwindling a lot on our little island. Of course, we had the American shows (and I dont begin to compare Dr. Who to the likes of Star Trek, Buffy, and of course my beloved Firefly) - but I like the fact we're starting to throw our hats in the ring again. There's always room for mor horror and sci-fi on our meagre selection of TV stations and its about time us genre fans were rewarded more (come on, do we REALLY need so many series of 'Footballers Wives' - for our American cousins, a VERY low-rent, trashy and generally abysmal Dallas-meets-Dynasty-meets-The OC but with more skanks and less making of sense).

So the more 'Who' and it's ilk, the better!

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Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:39 PM

Funny thing about Billie's pop career.

Her career started in the UK before Britney arrived, and when Britney hit our charts she was described as the "US Billie".

Then Billie went away for a bit, as all popstars do, and when she returned with a new album she was hailed as the "UK's Britney Spears".

True story. And frelling stupid of the media, as usual.


Oh, and loved the ep. Fun, and a bit silly, and great with the Cassandra impersonations



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Monday, April 17, 2006 9:57 AM

Oh Hammer… What I wouldn’t give to see a REAL version of Dracula again..

But I digress.

Its worth pointing out that Billy didn’t start out as a musician (and I use the term loosely, sorry I‘ll try and repress a muso rant) she started out as an actress. She did an advert for a pop magazine where she played the part of a pop star, and some genius thought “hmmm, maybe life should imitate fiction”.


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Monday, April 17, 2006 11:52 AM

Yeah, I vaguely remember that, plus in all of her interviews she always at pains to remind people that acting was her first love.

Yeah, when I first heared abvout the casting I was dubious, but I didn't care 'cause one of my favorite brit actors was playing the Doc (Chris). Funny how now shes making his absence bearable...

No, I thought the episode was brilliant. We laughed, we jumped, we made chav jokes, and were totally out done by their own,we cheered, at one point we crossed our legs and sucked air in through our teeth in pained empathy

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yup, the zip thingying scene - David Tennant, Balls of Solid Asbestos.



My biggest problems with it were the faint wiff of tritenes. Clone zombies cured with a shower and a hug?
Last time there was an armie of the half dead ill people advancing on Dr Who et al, it was solved just as quickly, but in a manner that did make sense, it had that ring of authenticity to it (i'm referring to the medical nano thingies in the 1st season WW2 eps.)

And in my mind the whole time was, its Doctor who, bog it down with absolute scientific authenticity and it looses some of what makes it Who.

But now I cant help thinking, yeah, these are all really talented writers, they've proved that they can relsove issues in satisfying and credulous ways, so shouldn't we be expecting more from them? (especially seeing as they are one of our brightest hopes for encouraging decent telly.)

But no, on the whole, I loved it, It didn't feel quite like a season opener should, but Tennant and Piper were superb, it was funny and action packed and that bit

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where Rose-as-Cassandra snogs the Doctor, and that little surprised/shocked/turned on noise he makes afterwards (which was surprising and pitch perfect)could rival (please forgive me the blasphemy) any 'Huh' noise our dear Captain has ever uttered



Now, next week. Queen Vicky, Ninjas, Werewolves and a whole helluva lot else besides - I cannot wait.

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Monday, April 17, 2006 1:28 PM

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Its worth pointing out that Billy didn’t start out as a musician (and I use the term loosely, sorry I‘ll try and repress a muso rant) she started out as an actress. She did an advert for a pop magazine where she played the part of a pop star, and some genius thought “hmmm, maybe life should imitate fiction”.


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Well I didn't know that. Just goes to show you learn something new everyday

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Monday, April 17, 2006 2:03 PM

I think it also needs to be said here that this is an early evening show targeted at family viewing (ie can be shown to relatively small children.) That alone means that nothing worse than hide-behind-the-sofa scary is ever going to be shown and while that doesn't nescessarily mean a happy ending evry week, shower-and-a-hug is likely to be a good resolution for the age range.

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Monday, April 17, 2006 2:29 PM

I really liked DT, a bit more rambling and talkative then the moody Dr. no.9 but with flashes of 'im a 900 year immortal just shut up and listen' that spiced his performance up no end.

As other people have said Ms Piper was very good throught.

The ending was a bit trite and Dr Who like .. but then this IS Doctor Who so I dont really see a problem ;]

The visuals were a lot better then the season opener last year, on a par with 'the end of the world' which is nice to see. Lets hope thay keep things going. Back in victoriana next episode for some kick ass monk action and warewolves, I for one can't wait.

Also the beeb is reporting 8 million viewers, making it the top program on Sat night, and probably all weekend.

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Monday, April 17, 2006 4:50 PM

For anyone interested there is a commentary for this episode up on the official BBC website.

I’m looking forward to “School Reunion” personally, finally we will find out if Anthony Head is playing the Master or not.


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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:55 PM

I reallyed enjoyed. I like David Tenant. A typical quirky Dr. That episode was great and when Zoe Wannamaker was jumping from body to body that made me laugh so much. Good saturday evening TV. About time!

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Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:40 PM

I liked it, yes the ending was the usual cliche type thing, but thats the charm it still holds.

I think Tennant will do a good job, i really have faith in him to do what Chris never gave himself a chance to do.

The acting was great, Billie was fantastic as Rose and Cassandra. Especially after she sees her again;

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Rose: "But thats... Cassandra"
Cassandra: "Peekaboo"
Rose: "But i saw you die"
Cassandra: "That part of me was taken from the front, this part however, was taken from the back"
Rose: "Ahhh, so your talkin' outa your ars..."



And the disinfection scene was great.

TALK POWDER, Anyone?

Billie, ohhh yes, Billie. I also remember her pop career, im her age so when that was all around, i heard it all, my little cousin had her songs on 'Cassette'.

Speaking of Chris Evans, that ginger dig in the xmas invasion had me in stitches.

The Doc: "How do i look? Am i sexy? One thing... Am.. i.. ginger?"
Rose: "No"
The Doc: "Ahhhh, why couldnt i have been ginger, ive always wanted to be ginger."

I cant wait for School Reunion. I just like the idea of catching up with his past, very interesting.

I actually wrote a fanfic about the 11th doctor (Whos looks and characteristics i based upon a very young Timothy Dalton with long hair ) meeting up with a much older Mel (Bonnie Langford) when he, alone, lands the tardis in 2012. He lands just the see a certain event in an area of scotland. After wandering around for a bit, taking in the sights, and, in a wierd mirror of School Reunions trailer, Mel follows him and confronts him at an castle ruin in scotland. She basically shouts "DOCTOR" over the length of a twenty foot castle wall.

He turns around, brushes his hair out his face and looks at her. "It is you" she says to him, "Youre the doctor."
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Wednesday, April 19, 2006 2:14 PM

Haven't read all the other posts in detail yet, but although I thought the script was very good,& very funny, I think the story let it down. It all felt a little childish to me and the ending was a bit of a stinker.
One more point, those effects at the beginning were laughable, yet the effects in next weeks show look quite impressive.....?
Tennant's good enough as the new doctor, I just hope the storylines don't descend into kids TV territory.

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Wednesday, April 19, 2006 2:33 PM

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One more point, those effects at the beginning were laughable, yet the effects in next weeks show look quite impressive.....?



I'd have to agree that the effects didn't look that good

Here's hoping that the reason for it is they're saving money for a special effects filled blockbuster season finale

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Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:23 PM

I gather you mean the future earth with all the flying cars etc? You gotta remember Dr Who has not got the budget or time to create LOTR or Star Wars quality CGI. It takes alot of man hours to create 'none' CGI looking graphics. it's done very well in Firefly by pulling the focus and 'shaky' cam however as you know there is not that many CGI sfx in Firefly (Pilot and Train Job have probably used the most out of the whole series) and we all know that does not matter 1 bit or effect the extremly high standard.

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Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:59 PM

What I'm getting at is, that such a simple and short piece of CGI (ie the future Earth sequence) could look so poor, yet next weeks Ep has the most complex & impressive CGI I think I've yet seen in a BBC production. Doesn't make sense.
I found no reason to complain about 'any' of the effects in series 1. I've never expected Zoic quality effects from the BBC, and I thought the effects from all of the 1st series were good to very good, just that 1st sequence I think was very bad. I can imagine an American audience, used to BSG etc, scoffing at that. Infact the 1st series is not doing well over there as it is, I think it's only getting around 1.5 millions viewers now

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Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:51 AM

Enjoying the new series too, though have missed some epsoodes from the first series.

I don't mind Miss Piper as Rose, but I feel that there needs to be another companion. It erks me that Rose can do no wrong and is so clever. It's just a little fustrating. Can't understand why they left Captain Jack behind. He could keep up with the Doctor scienctifly most of the time, plus he didn't mind fighting every once in a while, (and he was charming, something CE wasn't). Billie can't really pull off the one-liners all the time.

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Saturday, April 22, 2006 4:46 PM

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Enjoying the new series too, though have missed some epsoodes from the first series.

I don't mind Miss Piper as Rose, but I feel that there needs to be another companion. It erks me that Rose can do no wrong and is so clever. It's just a little fustrating. Can't understand why they left Captain Jack behind. He could keep up with the Doctor scienctifly most of the time, plus he didn't mind fighting every once in a while, (and he was charming, something CE wasn't). Billie can't really pull off the one-liners all the time.


Captain Jack was left behind because he's getting his own spinoff series called 'Torchwood'.

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Saturday, April 22, 2006 5:20 PM

well i agree with your comments but its boe not boa, ughhh, and the eppy was called "new earth" not new world. We americans are having to go bootleg the shows but hey i get my doctor fix on a regular basis. lol
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along with pics from the episode {one great one of the aformentioned boe hehe} and a few spoiler pics from the next eppy "tooth and claw" David tennant is growing on me, not as quiclkly as DE did as a Doctor, but he is getting there. Was kinda disturbing they referred to the Doctor as the lonely god. But the bad wolf scenario for this season is at least out of the bag :

He teleports away promising that he and the doctor shall meet for a third time, the last time where the truth shall be told. His teleporting was green like the inside of the tardis too curious curious.
all in all the eppy was not a dissapointment at all.






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Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:10 PM

Wow how good was 'Tooth and Claw' tonight? :) The werewolf looked great and the fact that Queen Victoria was the founder of Torchwood was genius. I can't wait for next week as Sarah Jane Smith and K9 are in it :) I think i am going to have to buy the DVDs from the begining. I haven't seen a bad episode yet. Really inspired TV.

I want to watch 'brotherhood of the Wolf' now :)

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Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:16 PM

Definitely a great episode, next Saturday can't come fast enough.

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Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:42 PM

It's the only show, since Firefly, that makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up when the theme tune kicks in. The neighbours must hate me when Dr Who is on as I tend to jack the volume up on my surround sound system. Also like Firefly, I hate to see the end of the episode.

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Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:46 PM

Very good episode, I was much more impressed with DT than I was last week.

Looks to me like Mr. Head won’t be playing The Master after all. Shame…


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Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:55 PM

Made me want to go and dig out the "Dog Soldiers" DVD.

Good episode, although I did bury my face in my hands when they trotted out The Effect That Has Got The Most Old In All The Known Universe.

Happily it didn't get overused.

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Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:37 PM

I love the bet between Rose and the Dr to see if Rose could make Queen Victoria say 'I am not amused'. LOL. I typed alot more after this relating to the end but I forgot our American and Canadian cousins who are Dr Who fans wont have seen it yet. Sorry guys :(

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Sunday, April 23, 2006 9:16 AM

I cant help wondering if the Doctor`s missed something again. Queen Victoria infected by a werewolf?
(SHHH dont tell Pirate News)

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Sunday, April 23, 2006 10:11 AM

Torchwood is the coolest thing: Laser telescope to giant energy weapon!

Also, Mickey, our favourite cockney techno-genius, mentioned seeing something on the Torchwood satellites.

Lastly:

UK: Spooks, Life On Mars, Doctor Who, Hustle.

US: 24, Lost, Firefly, BtVS.

The BBC need a bigger budget.

One fat man in space: A problem.
Two fat men in space: A big problem.
Five fat men in space: A larger problem than ever anticipated.
Ten fat men in space: A satellite.

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 4:10 PM

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well i agree with your comments but its boe not boa, ughhh, and the eppy was called "new earth" not new world.



Oops, my bad!

As you can tell, I'm not a huge Dr Who fan, hence my non-geekiness when it comes to the details... but I do think it's highly enjoyable entertainment.

I'm glad you've got my back so I don't make too man mistakes


Oh and I'm so annoyed that I missed "Tooth and Claw" not once, but twice.
Fortunately, a friend has it on tape and says I can borrow it.
I can't wait till the next episode though - not because of the reunion with old characters - but because of Anthony Head being in it!
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Saturday, April 29, 2006 7:51 PM

Wow. Just wow.

"School Reunion" was everything Dr Who should be.
It had a great villain with a tempting offer for the doctor, it had dialogue as witty as anything Joss Whedon has to offer, and it had an emotional climax.
As much as I loved the season one finale "The Parting of the Ways", "School Reunion" is now my favourite

I was looking forward to it due to Anthony Head's appearance as the villain of the story, but the episode itself delivered by the bucketload.
David Tennant is obviously very comfortable in his role as the doctor by now, and his performance with Anthony Head during their first confrontation by the pool was electric.

I wouldn't consider myself a big enough Dr Who fan to buy the dvds, but I'm going to have to buy this one when it comes out, either as an individual release or, if the rest of the season is this good, the box set

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 1:39 PM

Yep 'School Reunion' was outstanding. I loved the bitchiness with Rose and Sarah Jane. It made me laugh LOL. Sarah Jane Smith still looks damned hot :). Mickey Smith is now part of the Drs team much to Rose's dismay. Mickey is the tin dog LOL.

Yep Anthony Head was very cool. He plays a very good bad guy. David Tenant is very good (Rose and Sarah Jane talking about how the Dr strokes the Tardis and he then comes in and they are laughing so hard with eachother and the Dr is asking 'What?'. Fantastic scene that had me crying with laughter), Billie Piper is surprisingly good and they always have a really good supporting cast like Anthony Head, Simon Pegg and Zoe Wanamaker. I just wanna see Patrick Stewart in an episode now :)

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:32 PM

ah yes, how could I forget about Mickey
I hope he sticks around with the Dr a bit, it's about time he joined the crew... even if it as the K9 of the group

And to think, where he first appeared in "Rose", I couldn't help but feel glad that he wasn't joining Rose and the Doctor - my how he's grown on me

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:52 PM

I always felt sorry for Mickey. Rose is always leaving him. However we know now that Rose loves the Dr as Sarah Jane Smith did.

I believe the Cybermen will be appearing this season. I can't wait for that :) You know they are gonna be pretty nasty.

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:43 PM

yeah I felt bad for Mickey too, but at least now he's not got any illusions that he and Rose are still an item (then again, I could be proven wrong in a few episodes time)

The Cybermen will be appearing in a couple of episodes time I think (might be a 2-parter).
Next week's has got Sophia Miles in it - she was in Underworld, Tristan and Isolde and is apparently David Tennant's current girlfriend

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Monday, May 1, 2006 2:57 AM

Anyone know when this series will start in Australia? I don't want to risk missing the first episode!

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Monday, May 1, 2006 6:10 PM

Loved everything about it!

....except for yet another frelling Torchwood reference. I'm getting sick of it.


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Monday, May 1, 2006 9:00 PM

REFLEX! I am so Jealous. you also have your browncoat on LOL Fantatsic picture dude :) You have that Dr Green from ER, wearing a browncoat, look about you.LOL. Was that a Dr Who Con? Thanks for sharing Reflex it's put a big smile on my face :D

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Monday, May 1, 2006 9:34 PM

Nah, twas Collectomania 9 ( www.collectormania.com). Saw Alan and Ron there too, plus Mira Furlan. And loads of others I didn't talk to/get autos/etc with.



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Monday, May 1, 2006 9:55 PM

Wow Reflex that looked excellant. All things Sci/FI. That was a vast amount of guests. Jenny Agutter. Wow I love her :) and Mira Furlon :) Robert Llewllyn. Ron Glass. Anthony Head. wow!. I gather it was a very cool event :). I don't spose you are going to Starfury in September? Ive bullied a friend into going LOL If you wanna meet up Reflex let me know :) It'll be a cool time :)

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Tuesday, May 2, 2006 6:40 PM

It’s a small thing but I absolutely loved the line “I am so old now and I used to have so much mercy” they really have to bring back The Master so he and DT can just talk at each other for 45 minutes!


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Wednesday, May 3, 2006 8:06 PM

Or

"You get one warning. That was it."

The Doctor has always had a way of defeating villains, but these last two have really brought out the "completely on it, not to be even slightly messed with, badass who really will slaughter you and all of yours without a second thought if you cross him" side.

DT does the snap from genial to killer so well, but you can't forget...

Americans. Do not look at this spoiler. I'm deadly serious.

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Christopher Eccleston, alone, unarmed, and with Rose captured by an entire Dalek invasion fleet, coldly telling them what he's going to do, then what he's going to do to them. Believe it.



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Friday, May 5, 2006 5:10 PM

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Originally posted by Haze:
It’s a small thing but I absolutely loved the line “I am so old now and I used to have so much mercy” they really have to bring back The Master so he and DT can just talk at each other for 45 minutes!


I couldn't agree more, I loved that scene!
As fun and adventurous the series is, its always scenes like that that stand out as favourites for me.


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Or

"You get one warning. That was it."

The Doctor has always had a way of defeating villains, but these last two have really brought out the "completely on it, not to be even slightly messed with, badass who really will slaughter you and all of yours without a second thought if you cross him" side.

DT does the snap from genial to killer so well, but you can't forget...

Americans. Do not look at this spoiler. I'm deadly serious.

...

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Christopher Eccleston, alone, unarmed, and with Rose captured by an entire Dalek invasion fleet, coldly telling them what he's going to do, then what he's going to do to them. Believe it.



G





Regarding the spoiler - I'd forgotten about that. It's all come flooding back now.

And I want to see that episode again now!

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Friday, May 5, 2006 5:10 PM

double (post) trouble

Die clone die!!!

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Saturday, May 6, 2006 1:54 AM

I love this series and chris eccleston . It is so fantsatic. However the DVD boxset is so bloody expensive :(. No I dont wanna download em. I hate having a load of crappy disks , i cant find, scattered around my house, that mean nothing to me

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Saturday, May 6, 2006 8:49 AM

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I love this series and chris eccleston . It is so fantsatic. However the DVD boxset is so bloody expensive :(. No I dont wanna download em. I hate having a load of crappy disks , i cant find, scattered around my house, that mean nothing to me



I know what you mean.
Although I'm not a raving Dr Who fan meaning I'd have to buy all the dvds, there are some episodes I would like to watch again. I suppose I could just buy the individual releases

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Saturday, May 6, 2006 7:13 PM

This episode has absolutely cemented it for me. DT is the Doctor! As much as I liked CE he never inhabited the role like this.


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Saturday, May 6, 2006 8:05 PM

The Girl In The Fireplace - easily the best episode of the season, and in my Top Five New Eps for sure.

Fantastic!

And I agree - it's like DT has been in the role for years, he's got it down Just Right.



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Saturday, May 6, 2006 8:19 PM

Also did you notice that the Doctor “Dances” in this episode???

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Saturday, May 6, 2006 8:46 PM

I love, love, loved this episode. I am now officially hooked. I liked it well enough before, but now I'm a fan.

Rose standing on the otherside of the fireplace

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knowing the doctor can't come back through the portal

just says so much about her charachter and what she feels. Billie Piper done good. Who knew I'd ever say that one?

.... why you gotta play that song so loud? Because we want to, coz we want to......

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Saturday, May 6, 2006 8:50 PM

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I love, love, loved this episode. I am now officially hooked. I liked it well enough before, but now I'm a fan.

Rose standing on the otherside of the fireplace

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knowing the doctor can't come back through the portal

just says so much about her charachter and what she feels. Billie Piper done good. Who knew I'd ever say that one?

.... why you gotta play that song so loud? Because we want to, coz we want to......

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Now now, just because she is doing a good job acting is no reason to inflict her music on the world again


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Saturday, May 6, 2006 10:37 PM

Just to introduce the right note of dread for the Cybermen, a legendary figure appeared in the trailer

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Rodney: “Why do they call him Trigger? Is it because he carries a gun?”
Del: “No it’s because he looks like a horse”

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Sunday, May 7, 2006 3:36 PM

Yeh great episode. It reduced me to tears at the end. When Rose asked The Dr 'are you alright?' the Dr just quips back, with a forced smile 'I'm always alright'. However we all know he wasn't :(. Tenant has give the Dr alot of depth. The Dr falling in love is something we hever see. I can understand though as the Madame Pomferey was very beautiful :)

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Sunday, May 7, 2006 10:37 PM

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Yeh great episode. It reduced me to tears at the end. When Rose asked The Dr 'are you alright?' the Dr just quips back, with a forced smile 'I'm always alright'. However we all know he wasn't :(. Tenant has give the Dr alot of depth. The Dr falling in love is something we hever see. I can understand though as the Madame Pomferey was very beautiful :)



And apparently Sophia Myles (who played Madame Pomferey) and David Tennant are dating in RL.

As for the ep, well I missed it on Saturday (I struggle to remember its on, I'm so used to nothing being worth watching on saturday night), but I managed to see it tonight.
I didn't think it was "the best episode ever", nor was it as good as last week's ep, but hey, we all have different opinions right?
Having said that, it was still a great episode, with many laugh out loud moments, such as

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The doctor walking in drunk whilst Rose and Mickey are being held by the bad guys. He was just downright hilarious... throughout the episode in fact



I thought the villains of the episode were really creepy too - a mixture of V (in V for Vendetta) and that robot villain from Hellboy
What I was pleasantly surprised by most of all though, was the musical score.
I'm not really a fan of the score in Dr Who - I think it's more distracting and off-putting than anything else, but I thought tonights was perfect... well, not perfect, but certainly a lot better than before.

Of the three episodes I've seen in the new series (I missed episode 2) and the christmas special, I've loved every one. Enough to make me want to buy the big boxset when it is released in November.
And, you know that old thing about your favourite doctor being the one you grew up with, or first saw... well for me, even though I grew up watching Sylvester McCoy and loved Chris Eccleston's performance, David Tennant is my favourite doctor by far!

Lastly...
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Rodney: “Why do they call him Trigger? Is it because he carries a gun?”
Del: “No it’s because he looks like a horse”




LMAO!!!

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One of the best bits of the episode -

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Sunday, May 7, 2006 11:02 PM

Sacre iliac!

I have to take issue with y'all referring to Sophia Myles as Madame Pomfrey.

The character's real name was of course, Madame Cholet.

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Monday, May 8, 2006 1:48 PM

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Sacre iliac!

I have to take issue with y'all referring to Sophia Myles as Madame Pomfrey.

The character's real name was of course, Madame Cholet.




Oops, my bad.
To be honest, I couldn't remember her name, so I looked at the above posts.
Now I've washed my hands of it, I'll hang my head in shame

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Monday, May 8, 2006 5:02 PM

Sophie Myles you saaaaayyy. *google for pictures* :D

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Monday, May 8, 2006 8:05 PM

Yeah Sophia Miles *drool*
There should be a few more pics of her out there now that she's done tristan and isolde and all that.
I first saw her in Underworld and saw a picture of her as Lady Penelope in Thunderbirds (Didnt see the movie itself) which made me want to find pictures of her then... but there weren't that many.
Hopefully that's since changed

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Saturday, May 13, 2006 8:15 AM

It's Saturday morning and I am looking at my TV screen waiting for tonights episode with the cybermen :). I am such a sad geek .LOL

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Saturday, May 13, 2006 12:13 PM

I loved The Girl in the Fireplace. I had hoped that we wouldn't hear what was in the letter but it was just so sad, that she was still hopeful of his return and...

Plus lots of other neat moments too: "Sunday roast" (or not); the robot's logic; the Doctor suddenly running into a horse; his rubbish attempts at hiding.

How many kids checked very very thoroughly under their beds on Saturday?

Hopefully those same children will be scared witless tonight. Cybermen should be as frightening as possible.

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Saturday, May 13, 2006 7:42 PM

Cybermen.

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Not really all that fantastic, to be honest. Came over like big metal beasties, instead of that really unhealthy, sick, wrongness that you got off the old ones.

The arch baddie was just absolutely out-and-out hold your nose rubbish. The stary-eyed, clenched-buttock school of villainous acting lives. Unfortunately. (Grit your teeth, tense your neck, and skeak the usual clunky lines at the gack of your throat in a staccato nanner, and you're right there).

Rest of the cast great as usual, and not because of Rose dressed up as a maid, although that was awfully nice, I have to say. Mickey a total revelation, and good to see Pete again.

Nice Sky Captain stuff, except, of course with something actually happening on screen

And West Ham lost on penalties. Bugger.



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Saturday, May 13, 2006 7:55 PM

Whilst I don't think the episode was bad, I do admit that it wasn't as good as others - I think though, because it's a two part episode, it has resulted in this first part seeming a big slow in places - I think the 2nd part will be fab.

Did anyone else watch Dr Who Confidential?
(possible spoilers for next ep follow)

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Apparently Mickey will prove himself quite the hero in the 2nd part.
I'm worried though, given that we learnt some background for him in this episode, that we might not see him again.
Maybe it's just me but... late character development? a chance for a character to prove himself a hero? I've got the feeling that RTD is giving the character the send-off.
I just hope I'm wrong. I'd like to see him stick around a bit longer at least.



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Saturday, May 13, 2006 8:13 PM

This episode did not work for me. Terrible TERRIBLE main villain and lacklustre script. I might have been more palatable if the Doctor had of been on screen more but as it stands this was a big let down.


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Saturday, May 13, 2006 8:20 PM

The villian struck me as a bit of a Tom Baker davros strangly enough...

I missed a good chunk of the episode though because I was having a row with a Bus driver who tried to run over a friend of mine...



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Saturday, May 13, 2006 9:17 PM

One of those bus drivers, eh?

Got a bumper sticker "Keep Death Off The Roads..."

then under that, another one

"...and on the pavement, where it belongs."

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Saturday, May 13, 2006 9:18 PM

Strangly enough, yes. The bus mounted the curb...



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Saturday, May 13, 2006 9:19 PM

I agree with Haze on this. I thought the Cybermen look brilliant and they where pretty scary, however they could have done much better with the script. It just did not seem to be up to scratch of previous episodes. Last weeks episode and 'Tooth and Claw' where very good, however this week was an anti climax :(. I don't think trigger did well as a baddie. I was not convinced. Usually with Dr Who I've hated it when the episode has ended because I just want it to continue but this episode I just felt a bit deflated :(

No what I wanna see brought back are the Sea Devils. They always scared me :)

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Saturday, May 13, 2006 9:59 PM

What a lacklustre introduction for the cybermen. How do you make a two-part cybermen story that is not scary and ultimately not particularily interesting?
I have trouble comprehending why this episode actually went out as it was. As much as I enjoyed the cybermen being back (though apparently these are just cybermen not THE cybermen) this was definately the first bump in what has so-far been a hugely entertaining season.

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Saturday, May 13, 2006 11:35 PM

Cybermen can actually be scary. The Patrick Troughton Doctor story from God knows how many years back.

Trapped, with a mob of Cybermen advancing across the surface of the Moon towards the Moonbase.

I can't remember what happened next, but the image has stuck with me. Probably immaturity had a lot to do with it, I can only have been 5 or 6 years out of College at the time.

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Saturday, May 20, 2006 6:39 PM

That was much better than last week, the Cybermen do look a but like horde of evil line dancers in some scenes but its amazing how much downsizing trigger help the episode! Also it just wouldn’t be Doctor Who without some mind control now and then.


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Saturday, May 20, 2006 7:20 PM

I thought 'The Age Of Steel' was a very solid episode for the most part - until the last ten minutes, when it became something else. Just seeing the characters go through changes and deal with what's happened, and make decisions based on what they've done, and their past, and what their future may hold - the whole end of this episode was wonderful, I thought. Great to see Mickey finally grow up.

Bring on next week - looks like it's going to be very creepy!

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Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:07 PM

Gonna jump on the end of this here. Thing that freaked me out wasn't the big bad Terminator stomping - it was the quiet bits. Everyone laughing simultaneously at the downloaded joke. (V Fisher King that whole freeze and move thing) Or Sally Phelan.

SpaceAnJL

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Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:21 PM

"... horde of evil line dancers ..."

Haze. You git.

(The therapy is helping, but I'm still some way off managing gracious acceptance of someone else's brilliant one-liners...)

I thought the second half redeemed the story in a big way. Not much Lumic. And the speed of the Cybermen! Have a job outrunning them. I think they'd be vulnerable if you pulled over a gobstopper machine. Some gags never get old.

I still can't understand the soundtrack policy, though. Sound effects and foreground music totally drowning out the dialogue.

It's like the sound engineer's previous job was on tour with Motorhead, and they sacked him because they realised that he was actually deaf.

G


Duplicating the effect by examining "At The Gates" lyrics using the time-honoured "Head in the Bass Bin" method. And then complaining that the stereo imaging wasn't much cop.

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Monday, May 22, 2006 8:21 PM

I’ve heard many people complaining about the music in series being too loud. I can’t say as I’ve noticed this but my TV automatically levels audio so this might be the reason.

How is everyone else finding the audio?


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Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:01 AM

There was a sketch last night on Rory Bremner having a skit at the loud music in Season 2. I've just got a standard dolby surround sound system and I don't find a problem with it.

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Monday, May 29, 2006 2:43 PM

I see no comments about last nights episode. I did like the episode however it explained nothing about alien (Maurean Lipman). The no face thing was very scarey. You steal someones face and you take everything about that person. They did it in The Twilight Zone and that's one of the most memorable episodes. I just think the episode never explained enough. DT was good as always. Seeing him angry was good. I like his angry side. DOn't piss off Dr Who .LOL

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Monday, May 29, 2006 3:32 PM

Nobody messes with Billy Mumy.

"Lollop"

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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:34 PM

I too thought there was not enough explanation for the alien in form of the lovely maureen lipman.

Although the costumes and teddy boy look of The Doc was fantastic, oh and the video cassette gag was great.

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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 5:15 PM

Anyone else think there were not one but two Firefly/Serenity references in The Idiot's Lantern? "No power in the world can stop me" and "You can't stop the wire" did rather echo to me.

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Wednesday, May 31, 2006 5:20 PM

For all those who love Dr Who and missed SerenitysLittleAngel's crossover fanfic recommendation, I'll post the thread here.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=21087#312350

It's short but oh so very good! I loved it so much I wanted to share with others and since I don't know anyone in the real world who likes both shows ...

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Friday, June 2, 2006 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
Anyone else think there were not one but two Firefly/Serenity references in The Idiot's Lantern? "No power in the world can stop me" and "You can't stop the wire" did rather echo to me.



I don't think it was intended but yes I thought the same when the Dr shouts angrily 'No power in the world can stop me', I instantly thought of River and then when Maureen Lipman says 'You can't stop the wire' I instantly thought of Mr Universe. I think it's just us being sad Firefly geeks .LOL

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Saturday, June 3, 2006 8:17 PM

My PC has been in for servicing for over a week (again) so I haven’t been able to comment here for a while.

I liked tonight’s episode. But the thing is, I don’t get why the Doctor was so amazed by the fact that the planet was is orbit of a black hole. Rassilon captured one and used it to power Gallifrey for Rassilons sake! When I found out the episode was set around a black hole and would feature an enemy that the Doctor has faced before my mind immediately went to Omega and the Master (both trapped in the event horizon of different black holes) but no its another enemy trapped in the… event… horizon.. of… a… The Doctors enemy’s really should just stay away from black holes!

The old enemy might just refer to the person doing the beasts voice , but then again maybe not. We shall see next week.


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Saturday, June 3, 2006 9:43 PM

I had wondered that myself, but it's one thing for Time Lords to ensnare a black hole and call it the Eye Of Harmony, and another for it to occur in the way it did.


But anyways.... for those who saw Confidential, what was the music playing for the last part of it, the orchestral piece? It's from a movie soundtrack, but I can't remember which one and it's really annoying me!



"My God - you're like a trained ape. Without the training."
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Sunday, June 4, 2006 1:01 AM

Tonights episode was fantastic..... That is all I have to say :)

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Friday, June 9, 2006 2:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by j6ngo1977:
Quote:

Originally posted by SimonWho:
Anyone else think there were not one but two Firefly/Serenity references in The Idiot's Lantern? "No power in the world can stop me" and "You can't stop the wire" did rather echo to me.



I don't think it was intended but yes I thought the same when the Dr shouts angrily 'No power in the world can stop me', I instantly thought of River and then when Maureen Lipman says 'You can't stop the wire' I instantly thought of Mr Universe. I think it's just us being sad Firefly geeks .LOL




Not to mention that rather shiny getup of his.



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Friday, June 9, 2006 8:01 PM

I totally love the new Dr WHo series. My friend hates it and I found out why. Because he found out it was the same dudes who did 'Queer as Folk'. I told him I hated Queer as folk I thought it was rubbish. I'm not really interested in seeing dudes kissing each other but it was also nonsense. However, in the words of Seinfeld, there's nothing wrong with that :). I told him how homophobic he was and told him George Lucas was gay and then he cried .LOL. I dont care if those guys are gay, green or wearing a santa claus suit, they write a good script :)

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Saturday, June 10, 2006 5:48 PM

Strangely Queer as Folk fixed my homophobia even though I wasn't a huge fan of it. At the time, anything with a Who reference merited a watch. Nowadays I wouldn't have enough hours in the day, what with not one, not two but three, three Doctor Who programmes every week.

And yes, last week's episode was amazing. Let's just hope the second part matches up.

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Saturday, June 10, 2006 7:06 PM

F'ckin' A!

Whoa.

Seriously good.

'nough said.

See United 93.

Remember those who fell so that you could stand.

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Saturday, June 10, 2006 7:25 PM

I think Stillshiny is right, the Doc's a Browncoat Perhaps a posh looking one yes. But he's got a shiny boat....

Of what i saw this weeks episode was cool. Although a bit of a homage to Doom though



Although from what i've seen of next weeks preview,

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i think were going to see more of the inside of the TARDIS




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Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:09 PM

Blindingly good episode. A great 2 parter. Also a good homage to Aliens and Event Horizon. Fantastic . Dr Who just goes from strength to strength. I have now forgotten the whole sorry Sylvester McCoy era. Dr Who has redeemed itself in my eyes :)

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Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:53 PM

It was rather good, wasn't it?

And I hope we do get to see more of 'that', Choo, should be fun!


P.S. The music I babbled about last week, for those of you who care - my guess was right, the Confidential website confirmed it as the theme from Out Of Africa.



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Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:23 AM

I am just on a 'Big Brother' forum and some guy is slagging off Dr Who. Hmmmmm I'll be back guys I shall deal with this idiot LOL

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:32 AM

Hmm, well, encountering folk like that is your own fault for being on a BB forum, isn't it?



"My God - you're like a trained ape. Without the training."
"Come a day there won't be room for naughty men like us to slip about at all..."
"SUMMER!!"
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Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by RelFexive:
Hmm, well, encountering folk like that is your own fault for being on a BB forum, isn't it?



"My God - you're like a trained ape. Without the training."
"Come a day there won't be room for naughty men like us to slip about at all..."
"SUMMER!!"
http://www.theshadowdepository.co.uk/index.htm



This is very true Rel. Sad but true I am a BB fan .LOL. I only go the BB forum when I am hankering for a bit of conflict. FFF is my true home because all you guys are shiny and we all have a common goal :D

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:08 AM

I'm just glad Who is holding up in the ratings, even beating the football match that was on opposite it on ITV.

Personally, I'd rather they scheduled it in a proper prime time slot. I waited until it was dark to watch the episode and it was much scarier for it.

Gravity schmavity.

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:10 AM

J6NGO1977:

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Also a good homage to Aliens and Event Horizon.

Bit of The Abyss in there, too...

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Sunday, June 11, 2006 12:02 PM

If no one minds a post from someone across the pond--We're a little behind on our "Who"--the Sci-Fi Channel just aired the 2nd part of the season 1 finale Friday night but a lot of us very excited about the new season that should start soon.

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